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THE KARATE KID remake trailer makes a case for being called THE WUSHU KID
Hey folks, Harry here with possibly the most ill named remake of all time. Now - I know it isn't new to bring up that THE KARATE KID remake is annoyingly unneeded - but having looked at the trailer over at ComingSoon.net - It just underlines how woefully awful the title is. In the original - Pat from Happy Days was teaching Daniel - KARATE... thus... KARATE KID. Here - we have a kid moving to Beijing from the U.S. - who is getting picked on, ends up learning what sure as hell looks like Wushu from Jackie Chan. That said - it doesn't look bad, I am actually really digging Jackie Chan in the trailer - I love the seriousness in which he's dealing with Will Smith's kid... but the title is just grating. Why not call it, THE KUNG FU KID? That is not KARATE - and the words and their actions are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT - and culturally pretty damn far apart.
Other than the title being assbackwards... what do you folks think of the trailer?
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The Karate Kid was about something. It was spiritual, it was about a boy and man befriending one another and becoming father and son; and it was about the spirit and beauty of Karate. This is soulless commercial trash, slopped onto the blueprint of The Karate Kid. And they are calling it The Karate Kid even though the film is set and China and Kung Fu is clearly the martial art being used.
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why am I here?
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We do dumb fucking things like this.
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is egotistical scum or forcing himself and his son upon The Karate Kid.
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Our current popular culture is shamefully shallow, stupid, and ignorant.
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Nothing looked appealing in that trailer. At all. We've gone from "Paint the Fence" to "Put on Your Jacket"? Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves.
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Dec 22, 2009 9:55:28 PM CST
Karate Kid was actually an entertaining take on the difference b
by iaidoka
This movie screws all that up simply by picking the wrong name. Amazing.
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in the theater, on DVD, or on cable.
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this, however, is a soulless cash-in.
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But come ON, it doesn't look THAT bad. How hard will it be to make a better film than the original, in spite of it being so far up your collective, opiated-with-blind-nostalgia asses?
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What I was trying to say, is that the original was a humorous take on the distinction between genuine traditional Karate training, and the hyped up westernized tripe that borrows the name. This movie screws all that up with an astonishingly poor choice of a name. I can't imagine Jackie Chan is too thrilled about this name. I'm sure overseas it will carry a different name. Can you imagine this movie airing in China with this name? There'd be a war.
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They were going to call it The Kung Fu Kid until they determined that they could make more money off The Karate Kid name.
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As an American and a fellow Human, and even though I have nothing at all to do with it. I am sorry for this.
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Send this remake home in a body bag!
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...case of someone trying to fix what was never broken. No reason to change key parts of this story. The EXACT reason why remakes, in general, should be abandoned. They rarely add anything of substance to the original story and rarer still, surpass the original. Hence my name...
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As per IMDB
Also known as (AKA): Kung Fu Kid (USA) (working title) / Untitled Karate Kid Remake (USA) (working title)
Wushu Kid doesn't work for me. In North America, Wushu is it's own style of Kung Fu. Most people are at least familiar with the words Kung Fu. -
It has alliteration and more people have heard of Kung Fu via many tv shows and movies than Wushu which sounds like something you put on sushi.
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Or how about Kid Wasting His Time Learning Peking Opera Acrobatics?
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That's just an excuse to post the link to Sweep the Leg:
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Did Chan really say "Jacket off" to that kid?
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Dec 22, 2009 10:08:42 PM CST
...I was the perfect age for the original when it came out...
by flickapoo
...I thought it was the best movie ever made. Ever.But it's not a good movie...this is in the same ballpark. I hold a lot of childhood favorites sacred, but THE KARATE KID is a joke.
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But don't let Cobra--Kai hear you say anything bad about it.
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Dec 22, 2009 10:09:46 PM CST
when you're 8 years old it's all Karate
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
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25 years old and The Karate Kid is already being robbed of its identity.
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...should break out the crane, for which there is no defense, on that kid.
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Karate looks like printing. (disconnected strikes)
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Dec 22, 2009 10:14:01 PM CST
...Continentalop, yeah, I was going to offer my apologies...
by flickapoo
...to Cobra. I think THE KARATE KID was perfect for what it was...like I said, at twelve I thought it was the pinnacle of American civilization.
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Oh, yeah, they got stuck to much in ritual and tradition, just like Bruce Lee said.
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They used kung fu in Karate Kid. What do you think crane is, judo? Most movies prefer Kung Fu because its circular movements look better on film.
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Because Crane technique completely impractical.
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The Karate Kid is a riveting, spiritual tale of powerful friendship and overcoming great odds. Morita and Macchio are both excellent and make for the greatest father/son dynamic of 80s cinema; the writing/direction is engrossing; and Bill Conti's score is awe-inspiring.
You're appraisal of The Karate Kid was correct when you were a child. -
I used to take it. But it isn't the end all be all. No martial art is.
Except for Gymkata. Give me a horse or uneven bars and I am unstoppable. -
I completely agree. But, some of the techniques can't be used in MMA and MMA doesn't teach weapons, multiple opponent fighting.
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..found him to be extremely annoying in The Day the Earth Stood Still. Will Smith is prepared to shove his son down our throats, it appears...
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...most of my career has been about re-learning shit I knew when I was eight.By twelve I think I had already started to go soft in the head though...
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from the day I heard about this shit, that if they don't change the name, I will boycott this fucking crap. Who the fuck are they kidding with the title? Rather, who are they trying to fool? This is all a ploy to get us 30 somethings to say "OOOh, Karate Kid, I loved that movie. Hon, lets take the kids to see this remake". FUCK THAT!! I will keep my daughter away from this shit like it's a fucking child molester. Because that's exactly what the fuck it is. I piss on you, Sony, for not changing the title like you were expected to do. Karate Kid is my favorite fucking movie of all time. I hope to God this shit bombs, and it more than likely will. FUCKING CUNTS!!!AHHHHHH!!!
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I drink your energy drink. I drink it all up.
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Man, I can not fucking stand this kid. I know he didn't write his part, but GOD DAMN was he fucking annoying in The Day The Earth Stood Still. Oh how I would have loved to see the little fucker get his flesh eaten off by alien nanobots.
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A CRANE KICK TO YOUR BALLS, SONY.
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The Forbidden Kingdom was all kinds of fun.
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But the title doesn't make sense considering he is in China where they teach Kung Fu.
I have nothing against Jaden Smith he's just a kid following in his father's footsteps. He doesn't deserve such extreme negative backlash.
This movie might surprise us.
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Dec 22, 2009 10:25:37 PM CST
jsscript2007, I am not trying to insult Wushu or Karate
by continentalop
Or any martial art (shit, without Judo we would not have BJJ), but I do have a big problem with how we constantly present asian martial arts as being magical and perfect systems. I also have a problem with Asian (mostly Kung Fu) styles that refuse to change and are still stuck in the past.
Weapons training is great, but as Matt Larson, head of the US Army's Modern Combatives program once said, a lot of weapon training and techniques that martial arts practice is impractical and completely illogical. I mean, seriously, what is the chance you'll have to defend against a Kusarigama or be forced to use a Katana in a fight (unless you buy Philip Elmore's Street Sword: Practical Use of a Katana in a street fight).
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Dec 22, 2009 10:26:33 PM CST
...all right, I'm going to be the goat here and offer myself...
by flickapoo
...up as a human sacrifice.I don't hate this movie for kids. THE KARATE KID was perfect for twelve year old boys...not so great for adults.I bet kids will love this flick. I assumed they were going to go all urban with it...I sort of like the ex-pat multicultural angle.Be gentle with me...
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Dec 22, 2009 10:27:01 PM CST
What, the first one didn't live up to its max potential!?
by blackmantis
Not that the original The Karate Kid is Schindler's List or anything, but I find it hard to believe it could be drastically improved upon.
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SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!
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Dec 22, 2009 10:28:08 PM CST
You gotta say, that last scene in the trailer was pretty funny.
by codename
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I like that analogy.
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...it was all Will Smith's idea to begin with, he just wanted to give his son Jaden some superstardom.
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Judging by the Wing Chun practicing pole in the scene (the jacket on/jacket off part), Chan's character probably practices Wing Chun.
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Granted the first Karate Kid wasn't an oscar winning gem but this is just a bad idea..10 years from now, even a year from now the original will overshadow this train wreck of a movie..Shame on you Will Smith now I want to see Taylor Lautner in a remake of the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
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love the first one n hate to see it remade but it doesnt look as mind-numbingly awful as it could n jackie chan doesnt look to bad
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..is the fast paced rap music.
Also rewatch the original. It could play in a theatre today except for those dated 80's pop songs that kinda suck you outta the picture. I hope there's some good orchestra going on in this remake. Seriously the trailer seems decent!! -
As a lifelong karateka I'm offended ... that's clearly kung fu. I don't dig them casting younger with this either.
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Only in Hollywood.
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The original was just fine...and where the hell are the Paedo Police from the KICK-ASS/Hit Girl TB? I can't believe they aren't all over this movie yet.
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The Lyoto Machida/Rashad Evans fight (although Lyoto is only half asian).
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In no way is this Karate, and it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE for Karate to be in the title! This is nothing more than soulless profiteering.
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Lame! Nepotistic crap! This will fail on a world-wide scale. Because China and Japan are 2 different cultures, one could almost say 2 different "ethnicities". Throwing the word Karate around in China like it's the same as Kung-fu is a insult to to the Chinese and Japanese cultures. It has undertones of the old insult "you Asians all look alike".
Why did nobody in Japan see "Memoirs of a Geisha"? Lead actress was Chinese trying to be Japanese? Why did Speed Racer fail in it's birthplace country of Japan? Casting a Korean pop-star as a Japanese character. If Hollywood has no respect for different Asian countries peoples and cultures, this will fail too. -
Maybe I'm really immature, but this line had me busting up!
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you can predict whats gonna come out the talkbackers mouths...
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...fast and smooth.
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Dec 22, 2009 10:49:00 PM CST
Sorry guys, this is for kids, not us. what did you expect?
by vermithraxpejorative
meh, it's a kids movie, so in that regard it looks better than the hannah montana and high school musical shit. People getting upset with this justb ecause they have fond memories of the original as kids themselves, but if we saw it for what it was then we would not like it as we don't like this one. News Flash people, this movie isn't made for you or I, but for a new generation who had no experienced the original.
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Will Smith, how dare you???!!!
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I don't know. It's doesn't look bad to me, Jack actually looks more bad ass than he ever did in Rush Hour.
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They haven't had an original idea since the 80s...apparently. Even the almighty Avatar *pukes* was nothing more than a bunch of nice CG with a story that ripped off countless other movies already made. I'm so bored with the garbage they make these days. Thank God I have a DVD collection to enjoy real film making whenever I want.
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I expect respect for a special film that is beloved by and sacred to millions across the world.
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News flash. THE CHINESE HATE THE JAPENESE! I speak from experience. The last job I worked was in a factory where I was the only white guy with mostly chinese immigrants. I brought up the Japanese once. ONCE!
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Agreed, It should of had a different title but
Cobra-Kai is no where to be found or Elisabeth Shue. It's not even on the same continent.
It doesn't look bad (the trailer at least) I'll take my 10 year old niece to go see it. Jackie looks like he's about to slap a couple of eight graders around, it should be a blast, besides Will Smith non talented pre-mature ejaculation.
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all they fucking cared about. Jackie chan... really...?
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Does anyone left in Hollywood have just one original idea?
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Dec 22, 2009 11:04:22 PM CST
Harry, why wast your time even commenting on this fucking garbag
by darthwaz1
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...let's play that game again!
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Doesn't QUITE have the "whoa" factor of several 17-year olds trying to kick the butt of a 60-something Pat Morita and ending up in the hospital for their troubles.This film clearly SUCKS, and, yes, it's entirely the fault of Will Smith! Thanks, IDIOT! >:O
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I'm not usually against movies being remade. Sure the remakes suck 99 percent of the time, but it's nice to see someone else put their spin on a character or movie. BUTTT...there are some movies that just don't need to be remade. Movies that struck a chord with audiences at a certain time in their lives and will STILL strike a chord if new generations watch them. The Karate Kid is one of those movies.
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But the Jackie Chan factor and the fact that so many of you guys are so dead set against it I'm gonna have to go see it now. Just how magical and sacred were your idyllic childhoods that you're SOOOOO goddamned negative and whiney and pissy about every little thing that seems to go against it and put a new spin on it? Shit, IF someone could do it good enough, I'd see a remade Star Wars trilogy. I'm not crazy about the title. Jaden Whatshisname kinda bugs me. No Elisabeth Shue. But fuck it, I'll give it a shot(At least at the $3 theater). You negative Type-A fuckers are gonna have a heart attack one day. Try and take a deep breath and relax. It's only a movie. Sheesh.
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...have a hard time believing Harry actually knows the difference between Kung Fu and Karate and isn't just parroting people who actually know the difference?
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Like Josh Swaney, you walk alone.
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Why are they still making movies about Wushu and Kung Fu? It's about as useful as dancing. Has anyone versed in the Chinese martial arts ever succeeded in MMA?I understand that they needed to use Kung Fu in the Matrix; seeing Nero getting someone in the guard and submitting Agent Smith would be boring. But I think filmmakers should start focusing on making MMA more exciting rather than milking the Kung Fu and Wushu cow.
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...blockable or sidesteppable move in the history of kicking people.Seen it recently?...it's pretty funny. Any self respecting Cobra--Kai would have stepped to the side for a second...wiped his nose...and pushed young Master Macchio and his broken ankle to the ground.Again, I say this with respect...I loved it when I was twelve.
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That's why Chinese martial artists haven't won. They were being kind.
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THAT would be worth seeing. >:)
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Well done Hollywood, at least you're consistent with all the remake shit. You pathetic group of metal midgets can't think past your own ass.
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Really, I swear I saw that title under a pic from this movie. Maybe they thought about it and decided to stick with the known brand name???
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hopefully near the release of this remake we get the original on blu ray with a nice transfer.
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Equilibrium needs a prequel.
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This looks beyond bad. No Daniel Laruso, no Karate Kid. PERIOD. This is nothing more than a fluff/vanity piece so that Will Smith can get his kid into a movie. Mission a-fucking-ccomplished, Will.
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could be ok......but change the effin' title...PLEASE!!!!!!!
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and I have no problems with the release of this film.
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lets give just a few people all the money and get it over with
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Dec 22, 2009 11:57:55 PM CST
When's the "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" remake coming out?
by cylon_conspiracy
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That is all.
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Man can't see...he can't fight.
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It's the Karate Kid, not Ghandi. Your comments smacks of some post-adolescent nerd, who's goin' through a major homosexual panic. Why don't you just come out of the closet and reveal your main fantasy: Engagin' in a menaje a' trois with Daniel-San and Mr. Miyagi. You'll be a lot happier, thus sparing us your overanalytical treatise of an 80's bubble gum movie.
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This looks like some Disney family cinema. I see no harm in it what so ever.
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This looks god awful. I could never root for Will Smith JR, because he is a annoying whiney conceded little prick. Love to see someone beat the snot out of him.
Was willing to check this move out free on cable when it was called "Kung Fu Kid". But I refuse to see altogether now.
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Dec 23, 2009 12:14:00 AM CST
Why the Hate on Smith's kid? In not him it'll be another kid.
by the founder
No serioulsy it would. I just think most of you have nothing else to b!tch about. The Karate when it was released was meant to be a simple family and kid friendly. Which is why so many of you loved it cause you were all kids. The same rules applies here. most of your adult asses are not the target demo period. Or some of you want your darkies shukin and jivin ot thuggin it hard.
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And with that phrase many more childhoods have been raped.
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Gee, all that vitriol from a minute and half trailer of a movie that's geared and marketed to little kids and pre-teens? Get a' grip, mutha' fucka'. Iron Man 2 and a host of other summer releases that'll guarantee to wow your "FANBOY" sensibilities will also be in the theatres. Happy?
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Since Hollywood is out of original material and gonna remake every movie ever made with a pulse, mine as well just remake Avatar now since it takes like 12 years to do.
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The reason Kung Fu hasn't done well in MMA is because they don't allow wires.
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Bobb'e J. Thompson would be much better choice than Jayden at least he is funny and likable.
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Have been in SHERLOCK HOLMES. Seriously.
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Lyoto Machida has been dominate in MMA using mostly classic karate moves and tactical stand-up fighting. In his day, Chuck Liddel was much the same.
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The fact the title character is around 12 fits better than in the original, when the Karate Kid was nearly thirty. All though part three is comedic gold.
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Does he even TRY to act? Trailer looks horrible BTW.
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They should make it a law that a movie needs to be at least 35 years old to be up for a remake. this is a bad bad bad idea, somewhere Pat Morita is rolling in his tomb. Dr. Cox once put it very clearly:
"Good God in heaven, Newbie, there are just so very many ways for me to say this to you: Never; not in a million years; absolutely not; no way, Jose; no chance, Lance; niet; negatory; mm-mm; nuh-uh; oh-oh; and of course my own personal favorite of all time, man falling off of a cliff — “Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!…” -
No offense to Chuck Liddell, but I think he was a fighter that developed a unique style that was good for MMA for a short while, but after fighters progressed you could see his limitations. He could stuff the takedown and sprawl, and his wide stance provided him wider angles to hit from (plus helped with the sprawl), but after a lot fighters got better stand up his dropped guard made him an easy target for a lot of punches. He was a gimmick fighter who other fighters needed time to figure out IMO.
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So I have absolutely no problem with it looking "shitty", because I am not twelve. My only problem is that he is not doing karate--in fact, there is most likely ZERO karate in this entire film--so why in the fuck would they call it "The Karate Kid"? The kids they are making it for are not familiar with the original, so it would make just as much money if they did, indeed, call it the "The Kung Fu Kid". Just change the goddamn name. Calling it "The Karate Kid" just seems like its being stupid for no reason. It's like remaking "Corvette Summer" and having the central car be a Mustang...but still calling it "Corvette Summer".
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Uhhh, I don't think he's supposed to be Ralph Macchio, dude...And lets' be honest, this movie's targeted demographic wasn't (even) born in 84, when the original was initially released. Some of y'all are carryin' on as if they're remakin' The Godfather (or worse, STAR WARS).
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Get lost, big mouth. It's not about being a geek or a nerd, it's about standing up for something that was sacred to you in your youth. And for many people who grew up with the Karate Kid, those films are special (especially the first two) and should not be robbed of their identity by an obviously lesser film..
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........as we're all typing here, there's not many things Hollywood has new to say. I will never watch this, but they will never leave well enough alone. ........Sometimes I just forget they make flicks they will regret, it makes me mad to see new remakes. They don't want to make a....flick unless its already done.....(heavy drums) CHORUS I am a chick who wants to see some good movies, not see a remake .....from not long ago....we'll live forever knowin together that we saw it all by 2008......VERSE 2 they keep on makin crap, with songs by linkin park, im only strong because of NOLAN....I have always needed flicks, thank God for the ones I already own....CHORUS 2 I am a chick who doesn't like remakes, especially with agent J's kid in place of Macchio....I'll live in soCal knowin forever that I can make good fliqs all on my own....BRIDGE like a knight in shining armor Chris nolan came to us, just in time to save the day, from dumba$$holes like Michael Bay......(guitar solo).....I'm just a chick who likes really good movies, not some turds where the robots have testicles, I'm gonna live forever, watchin Heath Ledger keep on saying "Why so serious?" I'll live forever (I'll live forever) knowin Heath Ledger should have been in The Dark Knight II.....oooohh oooohhh.....no not Batman III....in the Dark Knight II.......in the Dark Knight II......in the Dark Knight II.......
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What happened to that ad anyway Harry?
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...And you call that "CRANE" bullshit, Ralph Macchio was doin', Karate? (and not to mention, that whole "WAX ON, WAX OFF" mantra).
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That's a bit of an oversimplification of Machida's fighting style. Yes, it's built around his karate base, which is his family's singular style of Machida Shotokan, but he is also a black belt in bjj, and has studied sumo, as well as more traditional MMA fare like Muay Thai and western wrestling.
Continentalop, I believe we will see the best Lyoto ever in the Shodun rematch. Contrary to what many people believe, I agree with the judges who scored the fight 3 rounds to 2 for Machida, and don't think he was as taken by surprise by Shogun as it might seem on the surface. Don't forget, he broke his hand early in that fight, which is why the rematch is not set until May: Machida will require surgery to repair the injury.
When you have a broken hand, you CANNOT punch with even a significant percentage of your normal power, which in my opinion explains why the flurry he landed on Shogun in rd. 3 did not knock Shogun out. Machida punching at full power with that combo, not to mention some of the other shots he landed equals an unconscious opponent. -
"The Karate Kid was about something. It was spiritual, it was about a boy and man befriending one another and becoming father and son; and it was about the spirit and beauty of Karate."
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"Wax On, Wax Off" was a practical way of teaching Karate defense techniques. I think that was thoroughly demonstrated in the film, moron.
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But it's one hell of a classic, with lots of heart.
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Actually, I do. Some styles of Karate, Kosho Ryu Kenpo in particular, are heavly influenced by Chinese martial arts and have incorporated animal forms like dragon, tiger and crane into their techniques. I have a black belt in the direct James Mitose Kenpo lineage, and we have animal katas in our system, including crane.
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You're a pointless moron trying to spit bile in the face of growing Karate Kid remake resistance. Sell your crap somewhere else, you imbecilic shill.
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Why do kids movies have to be shitty and "ghey" now days?
WHen I was a kid we had stuff like The Dark Crystal, The Never Ending Story, Labyrinth, Secret of Nihm, The Last Unicorn, and much more.
Now days kids movies are dumbed down sterile corporate machine stamped out plastic crap.
Keep letting your kids eat up all this Zach and Cody hanna montana bullshit and see what happens when they grow up.
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Jacket on jacket off?!! Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?
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""Wax On, Wax Off" was a practical way of teaching Karate defense techniques" ---- Yeah, as long as there's a director yell "ACTION" and "CUT". I reiterate: GET A GRIP!
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Kids today are just fodder for exploitation fare. It's a tragic shame.
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Jeez, I'm done with you... can't take you seriously. Obviously your purpose here is to talk trash.
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Soulless beasts.
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But he kicked that guy square in the kisser. Pow!!! Love it!!!!
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They don't make movies like that anymore, cuz the kids who watched that shit, grew up to be overly emotional 30 somethin', whiny lil' bitches.
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Daniel Stein; a post Bar Mitzvah boy who is sent to live with his Aunt in Inglewood California. Tormented by the local thugs, the Neighbor Hood Piru Blood, and finding his martial arts skills completely useless in a real mob rules street fight, Daniel seeks the help a wise local ex-con. Tutored in the ways of the Street Ninja by Nate "Toots" Watson, Daniel learns the finer points of capping punks wit a Glock 40 and not getting popped by the Po-Po. Truly a heartwarming, coming of age, fish out of water tale for the whole fucking family.
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If you had any knowledge whatsoever of the actual history of karate, you would know that it was very common in the old days that when a student would come to a master seeking training, the master would often force the potential student to spend weeks cleaning up the dojo and doing various chores, etc. The potential student would hate this role of dojo bitch, until he actually began his training and realized that the master had been building up his body with said chores and actually preparing him for the rigors of true training, which he would have been far too soft to undergo without that initial preparation. The training Miyagi puts Daniel through in the original Karate Kid is inspired by historical fact.
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Then what's the beef? Accordin' to the trailer, Jackie Chan is doin' the same thing, but only in the form of "jacket on, Jacket off", as opposed to "Wax on, Wax off"...Seems like it's all in the same context. (If you go for that sorta' bullshit).
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Dec 23, 2009 1:03:05 AM CST
I WISH PAT MORITA WERE HERE TO GIVE ME A MAGIC MASSAGE
by bringingsexyback
I could really use one. I'm all achy.
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I'd be hard pressed to argue against your points, but Liddel couldn't be such a dominate fighter for most of the decade if he was a gimmick or trick fighter. He suffered in recent years from age and the quality of UFC fighters increasing.
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But I think that fight destroyed the mystique of him being invincible. Shogun's leg and kicks really disrupted Machida; Rua had came up with a really effective game plan and Machida was outstruck two-to-one. Fight Metric's, which I think is the most reliable measure of scoring, had Rua it 49 to 47, which means they gave Rua 3 rounds and Machida 1 (with one tie).
And I don't how much the broken hand affected Machida because he didn't know it was broken until after the fight.
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Gran Torino is a better re-imagining of this classic story than this pile of piss scum.
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Dec 23, 2009 1:05:13 AM CST
THE BEEF IS THIS IS A PALE, UNWORTHY IMITATION OF THE ORIGINAL
by bringingsexyback
Dude have you even seen TKK?
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My only beef is with the title. The movie itself looks fine, but there is no karate in it (or at least none on display in the trailer). It looks to be 100% kung fu. So that's why they should call it "The Kung Fu Kid". If you made a movie about a kid who studied greco-roman wrestling, and then called it "The Sambo Kid", that would be fucking retarded. Get it?
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But I do know that flaming leg kicks are probably illegal in MMA.
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Karate Kid was remade almost beat for beat in the terrible "Never Back Down"; where was the outrage then? Also, if Mamet couldn't get MMA right in "Red Belt", I'm not sure anyone will be able to capture it. I guess movies need flashy, unrealistic fighting. Anyone remember the Postman? That had a wrestling match as it's climatic fight, and it sucked major balls. I still think Lethal Weapon, Gibson vs Busey is the best blend of realistic ground fighting with Hollywood flash.
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I'm won't say Liddell was horrible; he was good. But like a lot fighters he never seemed to evolve while other fighters did.
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Dec 23, 2009 1:09:49 AM CST
I WOULDN'T WATCH A MOVIE ABOUT A KID WHO STUDIED GRECO-ROMAN WRE
by bringingsexyback
But I have a feeling Hairy Nutsack would be all over that one.
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Mud and speedos.
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LOL, I hate to come off as the "UGLY AMERICAN/PHILISTINE", but to the average (non-anal retentive) movie goer: KUNG FU, KARATE, JIU JITSU, SAVATE, CHOP SOCKY, or WHATEVER, it's all the fuckin' same...Especially when you factor in that this movie's targeted audience is a bunch of prepubescent teens and a bunch of squealin' lil' girls. (Oh, wait a' minute), that sounds like you whiny bitches. Never mind.
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See if you can track down a copy of No Rules. Talk about POS.
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"Never Back Down" was not called the Karate Kid. It's calling Jurassic Park IV "Godzilla" or calling a giant robot movie "Transformers' even though the movie has nothing to with the title at all.
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much less someones ass. This is complete crap. LCD
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Re: broken hand--Machida told his brother it was broken in the corner after the second.
I agree the guy is a puzzle and his unique style is what makes him so dangerous, but I think there is definitely more to him than just the fact that no one has yet figured out how to crack the code. When Anderson Silva calls you the best fighter alive, IMHO that means something. Personally, I think Machida has the potential to be one of the all-time P4P greats.
I am not a big fan of the fight metric/compustrike type stuff...I think it has been misleading in a lot of fights, not just this one. The strikes that Machida landed were fewer in number, but on a one-for-one basis, I think they did more damage and landed with more precision than Shogun's. Many of Shogun's leg kicks landed while Machida's weight was not fully planted on the target leg, which is obviously how the REAL damage is done from that kind of attack. They looked and sounded nasty, and the cumulative effect cannot be denied, but the strikes that Machida landed, particularly the knees in the first round, and the punches in the 2nd and 3rd, were more damaging on a single strike basis, if you get what I mean.
As for the scoring, I also think that every failed takedown attempt by Shogun was scored as successful grappling for Machida, which technically makes sense if you think about it. I mean, let's say we're talking about boxing. You have two boxers, right? One throws six perfect, beautiful punches. Just an awesome combination...like something out of a video game. The other blocks or evades all six. Who is the better boxer? The guy who threw six picture perfect strikes, or the guy who didn't let a single one of them land? Who is the better grappler...the guy who went for six takedowns, or the guy who stuffed every single one? -
totally agree that Chuck made out in the UFC before the quality of fighters exploded post PRIDE. Also, MMA is attracting top level athletes now; in recent years it was still common for a regular guy to pick up MMA and become a pro(there was even a guy on one of the seasons of the Ultimate Fighter that picked up MMA simply to lose weight); that is unlikely nowadays, when NFL players are giving it a shot.
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I bet glodene will be waiting in line for the first midnight showing of this movie.
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But for me, and probably guys like Cosmo or Blackhole, who are obviously fans and students of martial arts, it is a little condescending. I mean you wouldn't make a movie called THE CATHOLIC KID and then show his bar matzvah. Kind of lazy.
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Oh yeah, and ol' Ralph was quite the "AUTHENTIC" Karate expert. Hell, i'd bet Sarah Michelle Gellar could've kicked Ralph Macchio's ass.
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I know that technique!!! It's very good!!!
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I actually enjoyed Redbelt, but I don't think of it as an MMA movie...I think of it as a love letter to bjj. That's just my take, though...I have been a bjj guy since the late 90s. As for Lethal Weapon, I also think the Busey fight is pretty tight. The Gracie family helped with the choreography in the first three films, and Rorion is actually one of the guys Rene beats up in the garage in number 3.
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I never thought i'd ever seen aintitcool turn into sherdog.
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But Never Back Down literally ripped off the Karate Kid and made it worse. This at least brings a few fresh ideas. and the mentor character is actually played by a martial artist. I just don't get the outrage. the original isn't going anywhere.
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LOL! Yeah, mutha' fucka', just like you're still jackin' off to your old Tiger Beat magazines featurin' ol' Ralph in his NAMBLA poster boy glory.
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The reason most people don't know the difference is *because* of dumb shit like this movie being called "The Karate Kid". That "what's the difference?" attitude is exactly what keeps people ignorant. There IS a difference. Karate, kung fu, jiu-jitsu and savate might all be martial arts, but they are not the same. Rock & roll, jazz, country, and blues might all be music, but there is a big difference between them all...
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Redbelt had me until the match gimmick; the whole forced handicap thing. Just hard to buy. You're right about it not really being a MMA flick, though.
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UG foreva.
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Your argument would be legitimate if this movie was geared towards the "HIGHBROW" movie goer during the Awards season, but it's not. It's a SUMMER movie geared towards kids. Trust, you're overeacting.
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No argument from me there. I just really like it because it paints Brazilian jiu-jitsu in such a noble light. Mamet is a purple belt, I think (may even be brown now), and you can tell he is trying to really showcase true bjj...combat bjj...which I like, since most people only train or see people train sport bjj and they forget it was developed as a self-defense art like karate.
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Continentalop, I heard RDJ is a wing chun guy, does it show up in Sherlock Holmes?
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When I think Beijing, I don't think hip hop. This is another layer of travesty in the travesty cake.
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Close my friend close.
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The only way I watch this movie is if the kid drinks his own pee during training.
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Your argument proves my point. It's BECAUSE the movie is geared toward kids that it should be called by the appropriate name: they are young and that is a perfect time for them to LEARN things. You can't teach an old dog new tricks...some forty year-old guy who thinks Bruce Lee did karate is never going to think otherwise. A ten year-old kid knows nothing either way, so why not tell him the correct information? Maybe he'll grow up just a little less ignorant.
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That's because its' targeted audience is raised on HIP HOP. Please tell me you wasn't expectin' the producers to dust off some old 80's power ballads?
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LOL...I had actually heard about "urine therapy" before I heard Machida was doing it...but that is some fucked up shit. I wouldn't do it. But what do I know? I'm just a round-eye...
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...I am okay with this remake, because I think the original has a great story for young kids filled with positive lessons. Just don't call a movie with a bunch of people doing *kung fu* "The Karate Kid". I don't care who the target audience is, that is fucking dumb.
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Who is coming with me?
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First off I wouldn't put to much weight to what Anderson Silva said; I think you could argue that he is bias because they are teammates at Blackhouse (and before Silva said Fedor was p4p the best - he seems to like throwing that title around)
And obviously the leg kicks of Rua were having a big effect on Machida. In rounds 4 and 5 he couldn't even avoid Rua's attacks anymore, the kicks had robbed him of his mobility. Rounds 4 & 5 were the most lopsided in favor of Rua, so the kicks must have been taking a toll. Plus just look at Machida's ribs and how much his corner had to ice his legs between rounds. Shogun was hurting him.
As for awarding him points for avoiding the grapple, that shouldn't have happened. The rules state you only get points for successful takedowns, not for stuffing them, just like in boxing you only get points for landed blows, not blocked or avoided punches.
And I an not saying Machida might not be a great fighter and someday be the legitimate p4p best (right now, that title belongs to a fat Russian) but after the Shogun fight I saw some of cracks in the armor (which only amplified the cracks I noticed when fighting the much smaller BJ Penn). He's great, but he is very mortal. -
Hate to burst your bubble, but the average American kid/movie goer, does not want to spend 90 minutes to two hours of their time learin' the nuances between Kung Fu and Karate. Stay can stay home and look at PBS for free. Face, Cosmo, the Summer movie season is geared towards superfiscial fun. (NOTHIN' MORE, NOTHIN' LESS - EMPHASIS ON LESS)
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*THEY CAN STAY HOME*
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Found glodene's youtube video post on this.
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At least Ralph Macchio weighed more than 100 lbs and was Italian. More than this kid has going on.
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You see an exciting, chess-like matchup of different traditions and nuanced techniques. I see, match after match, a couple ugly guys rolling around on the floor, hugging and sweating on each other. To me, it utterly fails on its potential for entertainment.
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re: takedown scoring--I think the rules actually say you get points for "successful grappling", which is pretty vague, and my point was that if you explain that the way I did, then it looks like Machida was the more "successful" grappler. Do I think the rules need to be more specific in many areas? Yes. But right now the vaguely "unified" rules that UFC, WEC & Strikeforce judges go by (all of whom are, of course, sanctioned and assigned by state athletic commissions as opposed to the various promotions) are pretty loose and open to interpretation in a lot of areas.
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Actually, no Wing Chun, which I am thankful for. What they do in Sherlock Holmes is use martial arts that were available at the time: boxing, savate, judo, jujitsu, la canne, la baton, and what looked like Lancashire wrestling. It is all stuff that was available for a gentleman to learn in the Victorian age.
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That New French Inception Trailer on the same page...
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You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I don't expect kids to sit through a movie that explains the difference. But I also don't think it makes sense to show a kid an apple and call it an orange. Again, my only gripe is with the title. The content of the film looks fine given the target audience. Just call the apples "apples" and the oranges "oranges".
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Don't watch it. You don't have to like it. But for some of us we can see little things others don't notice (just like how some people can hear notes others fail can't).
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That's pretty nifty if true. I have only seen one trailer (but I do plan on seeing the film) and it only had what looked like a bare-knuckle Marquess of Queensberry boxing fight.
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Dec 23, 2009 1:54:03 AM CST
Plus should we call Gladiator a film about Greek history
by continentalop
And 300 a tale about the Romans, considering most filmgoers couldn't tell the difference.
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...might be a *little* early for Kodokan Jujutsu/Judo...what era are the Holmes stories set in? They might be a little early for Kano's stuff to have made its way to England.
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...check out Phantom: Generations # 16 when it comes out. I wrote it and it features the Wild West era Phantom doing a bit of era-appropriate martial arts. Just a little shameless plug. Plus it has hallucinogenic drugs and a badass werewolf.
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But I am a big fan of historical martial arts in England - started when I first got into CSW and started following the history of how Catch Wrestling became Pro Wrestling. Victorian England, the time period when Holmes takes place, was a hot bed of martial arts and mixed martial arts.
Holmes himself knows baritsu, a misspelling of bartitsu, an actual martial art developed in London in 1899 by Edward William Barton-Wright, who basically started a mma school that taught boxing, savate, la canne (as taught by Vigny), AND Judo and Jujitsu. Yes, Kodokan Judo was being taught in England in 1900 (and maybe earlier)!
Here is a little video about it:
http://tinyurl.com/bazl3b
Plus here is another interesting little site about the French martial arts of defense dans la rue, which Holmes easily could have learned:
http://tinyurl.com/ybgqaes
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"Wax on, wax off" has turned into "put your jacket on, take your jacket off?". Bullshit..."Manolo...shoot this piece of chit!"
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Which is basically the French call Boxing Francaise. He knows Savate de Rue, which translated means Savate of the streets, the earlier, non-sport version that was meant for street fighting and self defense. Which means knees, elbows, headbutts and low kicks...but no punches, because a closed fist was considered a weapon in France at that time, so Savateur would slap their opponents to distract them and use their hands for defense. That is actually shown in the movie, which I thought was fucking awesome.
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Being that Chan is a martial artist and some of the cinematography looks decent, the film has a shot. They could have gotten away with not mentioning Karate Kid and most of the kids today wouldn't haven't even caught the similarity. Look how many "Breakin" remakes have been made but no one gets the connection.
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Thanks for the links, brother...I will take a look! I admit I am only a casual fan of the Holmes character, although I love him as a concept and repsect the character's place in literary history: I am vaguely familiar with him from earlier films I saw as a young kid, but never read more than one or two of Arthur Conan Doyle's stories, and that was a long time ago...probably, like, fifth grade...
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But here is my review of the film at another site:
http://tinyurl.com/yeuwxwt
And I think you don't have to be a die hard fan to enjoy the new Holmes film - in fact, it seems like all the other diehard fans I meet can't get over the fact he knows martial arts. It is in the stories people, and it was something people were learning back then! -
Dec 23, 2009 2:18:26 AM CST
To all you black kids that have been bullied by Asians...
by sith_rising
this film is for you
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Instead of the US, China and the rest of the world trying to cut back on energy emmisions, why not just stop making stupid, shitty remakes of movie that don't need remaking.
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it's funny cause allot of Asian kids in philly are boycotting school because they get bullied by black kids and the teachers don't do anything about it.
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Though won't be called Gremlins 3, will just be called: "The Gremlins", or something like that.
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I'm a fan of Bartitsu myself. I'm going to a seminar sometime over the summer. (I'm a long time martial arts practitioner.) I'm stoked Holmes martial arts interest is showcased in the film. As others have pointed out, it makes sense for the character, and I like the more purist approach that everyone seems to have forgotten! Cheers mate!
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as casting Will Smith as a western spy in the 1800's...oh...shit...never mind...
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Dec 23, 2009 2:28:23 AM CST
also good to see people talking about MMA on this site
by miyamoto_musashi
Love MMA, heading back to Japan next weekend to watch Dynamite (MMA and K1 event) can't wait.
Though its mostly Japanese fighters so don't think there would be a lot of recognition here.
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and when I think about how we gone about Lucas and the prequels, hell even Transformers, this is much worse, much much worse
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I look at combat sports as track and field.
Sometimes I like watch watching the Pentathlon (MMA) and sometimes I like watching just the 100 meters (say boxing) or hi Jump (say wrestling). And no matter what, you have to say a gold medalist in any even, pentathlon or individual, is an incredible athlete, just different levels of specialization.
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I think you'll dig the fight scenes in HOLMES. Not saying you'll love the movie, or even like it (it does have flaws, but I did enjoy it a lot), but I think you'll find the dynamic between Holmes and Watson great, and the fight scenes very well done (amped up because it is a movie, but everything is functional).
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Anyone remember when Jackie Chan actually made really cool action movies? Now all he makes are comedies. Why remake the Karate Kid? Because they can. Hollywood doesn't give a shit. People will still pay to see this. I bet there is a sequel even if it doesn't make tons of money there will be a direct to dvd sequel(s) with a new Karate Kid. Pat Morita is turning in his grave and William Zabka is turning at the unemployment office. ENOUGH WITH THESE REMAKES!!
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that Will Smith's kid is getting the habit of having lame assed one liners to sell a trailer. This looks like it belongs as a double feature with that recent direct to DVD Lost Boys 2 flick. Jackie, what the hell happened to you? First that abortion looking POS called The Spy Next Door and now this? Sweet Zeus man, I'm losing more respect for you every day.
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He is the main reason this remake is happening. Said so himself. He said his son was heavily into karate in real life. Will actually produced this remake.
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Thanks…
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Then I could be a rich spoilt child actor who gets his way as well...sigh.....
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Melvin Manhoef vs. Kazuo Misaki , not official yet (seen it reported though by some press), they are still to announce 2 more fights for Dynamite, so it could be added, also think they will add another K1 fight. I can't wait, will be going with my wife (she is Japanese) and her brother, 18 fights and lots of beer. Its a great card, just wish Alistair Overeem was fighting a proper fighter
As usual, you have a good view on Combat sports.
I have watched a lot of MMA live in Japan in the last 3 years, but sadly got to Japan too late to see Fedor fight, though did see him in an exhibition match. Would love to see him fight live, and also GSP as for me they are the best pound for pound fighters currently fighting. -
Dec 23, 2009 4:37:27 AM CST
I know I'm in the minority but I thought the original was medioc
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
Many people see the original as some sort of classic. If so, good luck to you (although i feel you're looking at it with nostalgic eyes). Ralph Macchio has the presence of a bonzai tree, the move follows an utterly predictable storyline (seriously; everything is telegraphed from a mile away) and is completely unbelievable (you too can go from knowing nothing about martial arts to winning a tournament in two months by waxing cars), and you know Daniel would get the beating of a lifetime after that 'happy ending'.The only good point is the performance by Pat Morita although i feel sorry that he's forced to play a characture rather than an actual character. Still, he has the acting chops to make something good from it.But hey, many people out there love KK and movies are subjective i guess. As I said, i'm in the minority.
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Dec 23, 2009 4:45:09 AM CST
Good SH review Continentalop. One question though:
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
What the fuck is a continentalop anyway?
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That little bastard from The Pursuit of Happyness?
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Original Karate Kid was an alright little film, but it was't some untouchable masterpiece. You could be forgiven for thinking it was, back when you were a kid, but you're not a kid now, deal with it. From the trailer (and I know they can be highly deceptive) this looks like it could be as entertaining as that one, and might actually be *gasp* just as awe-inspiring and memorable to today's kids.
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See Will Smith buy his spoiled pathetic little brat some happiness and fame! See Jackie Chan sell whatever is left of his integrity, dignity and soul! A humiliating and awkward spectacle of Hollywood extravaganza! All your lifes will lose meaning and all your hard work will seem futile when you watch THE WILL SMITH PAYCHECK KID! In 2010!
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Ok, honestly, I haven't read the talkback yet but what the hell is this? I am wondering where the "Karate" is in this movie?
I have studied Kung Fu for 10 years now and been a martial arts fan my entire life.
This is NOT Karate.
That being said ... for what it is .. american fluff garbage .. it looks good, as american fluff garbage.
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And Jackie Chan to be shot in the head in a stadium, as they do in China. FOLKS, let's boycott this shit! PLEASE!
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"Show me: get up and walk out of theater."
"Show me: throw fucking $10 away at needless remake." -
the Casablanca remake STARRING Matthew Mcconaughey and Kate Hudson.
Also: any news on casting for AIN'T IT COOL.COM: THE MOTION PICTURE? I hear Hollywood is starving for new ideas. -
Nintendo and Sony slaves. They are too busy cramming for lessons and playing video games to actually want to sweep a black kids ass. And in all honesty the Chinese kids would be too fascinated to do fuck all.
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type slower, DORK.
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it's the only reason movies like this are made
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surely he can just shoot any jive ass muthafucka that step on his ass, yo? you know what ah'm sayin nigga?
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Just call it "Best Kid 5"
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YACHMALLA MOTHER FUCKERS!
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NOTHING EVER GONNA KEEP YOU DOWN!
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Should have had Macchio and Swank hook up and teach the kid to fight. Anyway, we already had an entertaining Karate Kid 'Reimagining' last year called Never Back Down and it was far more interesting than this.
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plus the original is so overrated
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It could have had Zabka, Kove and Thomas Ian Griffith team up to teah the kid to be a world class asshole. I would pay to see that.
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Just so I can say you people are fucking weirdos. Seriously, you're lionizing the (original) Karate fucking Kid like it's Citizen Kane or something. Jesus H. Christ, get a life losers, the trailer was actually a lot better than I thought it would be. The only reason you're hating on this is because it's Will Smith's kid. Give it a chance before you shit on it.
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Was it always believable? No, but the acting was done well enough to make it so your average Joe could relate. That's what made it so great, IMO. This new one looks like shiz though honestly my biggest complaint is with Hollywood not coming up with original ideas instead of rehashing stuff that's already been done. Hollywood is a lost cause.
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i wouldn't have bothered registering if i were you. For a first post that was so boring. Epic fail.
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No, we are giving it shit because it looks like shit. It is a cheap cash in. And I am one who does not typically get angry about remakes like some other people here, but this looks like ass.
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in the original Miyagi beats up a bunch of those Cobra Kai kids, which is fucking bad ass for a 60 year old. Here, Jackie is fighting a bunch of 10 year olds, he looks like Kramer on that Seinfeld episode where he decides to take karate lessons. I could beat up those kids. and he's fucking Jackie Chan! it's ridiculous.
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Says it all.
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Dec 23, 2009 7:04:20 AM CST
the_unimpressed_ghost_of_Lockesbrokenleg
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
Funny name. :)
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Dec 23, 2009 7:06:39 AM CST
"Jackie is fighting a bunch of 10 year olds"
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
My God. That's so true. How the mighty have fallen!The last Hollywood movie I liked Jackie in was the one where the American kid gets magicked back in team. Can't remember the name but it also had Jet Li in it. Good movie. Obviously not good enough for me to remember the name but I enjoyed that one.
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by Hollyweird's profiteering? They're the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet! Playing you people for fools is their way of life.
As for this obvious trainwreck of a movie... Don't worry about it. No one will remember this crap a year after it's released. When people say, "The Karate Kid" the only one they'll think of is the original. As it should be. -
ugh, Rickey is ever so terrified of this remake...
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"Daddy, for christmas I want to star in a martial arts movie and I want Jackie Chan"
"well will ask Santa, but could be a little too much for him"
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seriously
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Dec 23, 2009 7:41:49 AM CST
If they remake "Teen Wolf," Rickey is taking hostages
by rickey henderson
Fair warning, people.
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http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21859/1/TEEN-WOLF-REMAKE-GETS-CAST-TWILIGHTED/Page1.html
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Dec 23, 2009 8:07:00 AM CST
The way he moves his arms when he says "I just wanna go home"...
by notveryfunny
... is just so ghetto.
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somewhat bearable and thoroughly enjoyable? yes? buller?
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I get why they might not marketing wise. If it's called Kung Fu Kid, people might say, oh they're just copying Karate Kid. If they call it Karate Kid it's acceptable because it's a remake.
It doesn't matter. If it's good, it's good. Call it Kung Fu Kid. Will Smith can make it happen, right?
Honestly, as a movie, it looks okay to me. I would miss the contrast between the westernized Karate and the traditional as someone else pointed out. Instead, there's sort of a up-in-your-face Americans can do Kung Fu as good as little Chinese kids side message that is a bit insulting... combined with the Karate name it's VERY insulting. Maybe it will be addressed in the dialogue somehow? -
After all, Karate being Japanese is not the same as being taught a Chinese martial art by a chinese guy.
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Wow. I aint nit picking or saying the original was perfection, but fuck me that was bad. I can just imagine the talk in that house when it bombs and is the joke of a nation for a while "But daddy you told me everybody would like it.You told me I was going to be cool".
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Couldn't care less that it's not karate. To them, all that asian fightin is the same. Still doesn't make it right, but since when was Hollywood about doing the right thing? They only give a shit about name recognition and how many slack jawed uninformed dumbasses will plop down there money on opening weekend. But... you already knew this and I'm preaching to the choir.
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I hope he's referring to his coat.
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It looks lame. Pat Morita, must be rolling in his grave.
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Dec 23, 2009 8:52:11 AM CST
Calling it the Karate Kid is not only an insult to movie goers
by i_sharted
it's also an insult to the Chinese if he's actually learning Kung Fu. Fucking studio execs need to just quit fucking things up.
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and has no business whatsoever in front of or anywhere near a camera or film set. Nepotism bullshit.
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WILL DEFINATELY BE SKIPPING THIS. YOU'D THINK THEY'D FIND A BETTER VECHILE FOR WILL SMITH'S SON TO PLAY IN. I WILL NOT DROP ONE DIME OR EVEN A DOWNLOAD ON THIS ADOLECENT FARCE
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Shut the fuck up. The original was a movie made for 11 year olds. This is a movie made for 11 year olds. The acting sucked then. The acting sucks now. The characters were one dimensional then. The characters are one dimensional now. The score sucked then. The score will probably suck now. Take off the rose colored glasses and realize you were once a kid who thought all movies were awesome, especially ones featuring a kid your age beating up bullies.
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Rickey just died a little bit on the inside... How dare they profane our 80's gods...
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But yes, the title is wrong on so many, many levels. Martial arts films are terribly formulaic. They didn't need to even acknowledge this as a remake. It looks painfully different. Overall, it doesn't look good. Okay at parts perhaps, but overall evidence that the people in Hollywood right now are a generation that forgot what cinema is. Karate Kid was always about that scene where he drunkenly recalls the war, I dare them to aspire for that here. Still, Jackie seems to get that he's been handed an iconic role and looks like he's respecting it a lot. I don't think I'll like the film much at all, but I doubt I'll hold it against him.
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After the passing of Mr Miyagi, Daniel is going through a bad patch. He it the bottle, becomes a hermit and basically is totally dissillusioned with the world. Then this kid comes along, with his own problems and they sort of help each other.
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It has a black kid beating up Chinese kids and wooing a Chinese girl. It's about as likely to play in Chinese cinemas as "The Pro-Democracy Kid."
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to the Kung Fu Kid. I'm sure most people would still get the reference.
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no amount of king kong foolery would help his girlie little self hurt anyone let alone Jackie Chan in a hat. Plus if I can tell his acting sucks in a f'ing trailer then this kid must be pure shit. At least his dad isn't the most bankable star in the world and we won't have to see him shoved down our throats as the next A list star for the rest of our natural lives right? :(
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this "film" is titled "The Karate Kid."
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Just because you and your wife are actors doesn't mean that your kids have to be actors as well, Will. Especially if they're as talented as a fucking doornail. Well, I hope Jackie enjoys his paycheck. He should just stop making these crappy Hollywood movies. His Hong Kong stuff is a zillion times better.
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You got a problem with that!? Man, this only makes me wanna watch the REAL The Karate Kid now!
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Fuck me.
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Maybe they pirated one too many Drunken Master DVDs.
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At least it's not...
Corn Rows Kid
4 MY HOMMIES
MAD "PORCH" MONKEY KUNG FU (To be released in rural Mississippi only)
HIP HOP FU: Electric Boogaloo
Barbershop 3: The one that has kung-fu in it.
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will really help America's Oriental school going population.
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It was about standing up and believing in yourself. And breaking noses, crane-style.
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WHY DID YOU HAVE TO GET HIM HIS OWN FEATURE FILM?
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1) Notice the amount of racially-tinged commentary in this talkback? Think some of the objection is purely discomfort with seeing a traditionally "white" role go to a non-white actor?
2) Complaining about Jaden's martial arts? He looks WAY better than Macchio in terms of motion. Chan is of course infinitely better than Pat Morita (and probably better than Morita's stunt double, Fumio Demura). So from what we see, the acting might not be as good, but the martial arts will be better.
3) The title "Karate Kid" doesn't necessarily mean that he's learning Karate from Chan. He might have studied karate in America, and Chan has to help him "un-learn" bad karate habits, jokingly calling him "karate kid." That would be a way of playing homage to the original title, but retaining authenticity.
4) All of you who think that the original films were testaments to the spirit of the art (and they probably are) and that somehow Ralph Macchio exemplified that spirit more than Jaden can, can we notice how FAT Ralphie-boy got by the third movie? Wow, he really took these roles seriously didn't he. And if you think that Macchio was vastly more talented than Jaden--wow, he certainly took his non-KK career to the top, didn't he?
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What's up with that fucking music?
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It's a forgettable film. They replaced wax on, wax off with pick up your jacket?! This isn't the Karate Kid this is an entirely different movie. Name it something else.
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...it really should be the Wushu Kid, honestly. This isn't karate at all. However, calling it the Wushu Kid wouldn't allow for the raping and strip-mining of my childhood cinematic memories now, would it?
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In regards to your insulting and condescending post.....First off, I just watched the original a few months ago with my kids and guess what I still like it, all that you say that "sucks" about the movie is untrue. The characters were not one dimensional, the acting did not suck either, may not have been oscar caliber (well Pat Morita was and always will be awesome). The point is, the movie holds up even when you are not a kid. This looks like a souless remake, no heart, which is what made the original so special. It wasn't just about a kid getting revenge on bullies, it was about standing up for your self, believing in yourself and it was a surrogate father/son relationship. This remake look nothing like that. The spirit of the original is nowhere to be found. FAIL.
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was when Ralph starts bitching about all the car waxing, and fencing painting, and how he's not learning shit, and then Miyagi starts attacking him. And his hands and arms just hit the right defensive poses. The look of stunned revelation on Macchio's face is perfect. That's why the original kicks ass and why this remake sucks ass, site unseen.
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Chopsticks are so 1984
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of course.
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They should use that in the trailer and then keep the name "The Karate Kid" and see how many people actually notice... and to piss off more nerds.
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too early in the morning for me...
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Damn you hollywood and your prequelitis. This is obviously a prequel to Soul Plane 2: The Black-jacking. I think Jayden is supposed to be Air Marshal 50 Cent as a youth.
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Can't compare Jaden and Macchio, true Macchio's career was not a stellar one, but at least he has done something memorable. What has Jaden Smith done? Pursuit of Happyness was good and he was ok in it, The Day The Earth Stood Still sucked and so did he. The kid has no charisma, it's as if he has the attitude of "Hey I'm Will Smiths kid, so you better like me" . Say what you want about Macchio and his career, but he had a charm that you couldn't help but like. So far all Jaden Smith has shown me is that his dad has gotten him some good acting gigs. Oh and BTW, Jaden's race is a non issue with me, it his lack of charisma and unproven acting ability that makes me object to him being in this.
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Well said, there is some things in movies that you cannot duplicate in a remake, and what you said, as well as the whole Miyagi/Daniel relationship cannot be duplicated and on that front it will fail.
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The only reason the first movie was called Karate Kid was because at the time, most people only had access to a Karate or TaeKwondo school so audiences could rush out and take their kids. Choy-Li-Fut Chuck or Hung Gar Harry wouldn't have cut it. Audiences today are a lot more educated, but to those who think MMA fighters will rule the cinema, it won't happen without a fight choreographer on set to ensure the big hero and villain showdown doesn't culminate with two guys dry humping each other for five minutes then being resolved with a rear naked choke.
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"Daaaad! I want my own jackie chan movie! DAAAAD!!"
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Pat Morita carried those movies. Even the Next Karate Kid was tolerable when he was on screen. As for Will Smith Jr... meh, I really could not care less. At least it's not Shia Lebouf
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...considering what passes for "Ninjitsu" in the west.
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I'd take Shia anytime over this kid, he has shown nothing so far, minimal acting ability and ZERO charisma. Charisma carries more weight than people realize. Look at Arnie, minimal acting ability and tons of charisma, therefore a likeable and bankable star.
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That's hippity hoppity
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Fuck this globalization shit.
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I'm just sick of Shia in every other movie. But yea, Little Willy shows 0% charisma.
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Dec 23, 2009 11:18:10 AM CST
Title controversy is hilarious. I'd like to see some of you
by creasybear
in the meeting with the studio execs. "Yes, I understand you want the brand recognition of Karate Kid for the parents who were kids during the original, and for the current kids who have seen the original on TV, but don't you see that karate and kung fu are two completely different forms of martial arts?!" Studio execs: "Is the movie about people kicking each other's asses using Asian hand to hand combat? Yes. Then it's fucking karate! We paid for the rights of the name and you think we're going to throw that away because a few wannabe modern day ninjas and movie geeks are arguing about Crane style versus Dragon style or whatever shit? Seriously?!"
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Only one issue. You should use paragraph spacing like so: (remove the spaces between the arrows and the p)
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i was pretty sure shortly after they announced this movie, they also announced that it would be retitled to "kung fu kid" but now it seems they kept the original title. oh and was that will smith doing that song? i realize he produced it and its his kid but come on, his rap career died before this kid or his sister were even born so let it go will, you're an actor now.
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Only possible when your balls have not matured yet. Or if you have no balls or some sort of bizarre testicular replacements.Of course, JCVD might be the only exception to this obvious rule.
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with kids and people who don't know any better. But yeah, out of all the miserable stuff Hollywood does to make a buck, this ranks in as one of the more depressing.
And there's something about Will Smith's kid that's just sort of... irritating. I can't really put my finger on it. He might be cursed with the rare "anti-charisma" gene.
What made the original a classic was the perfect casting of Macchio and Morita, the great characters of Miyagi and Daniel and the bond that develops between the two. The last shot showing the closeup of Miyagi expressing restrained (in the Japanese sort of way) joy and pride might have been Morita's best work and summed up the heart of the movie nicely. -
Have you ever taken the time to see just how many second and third and fourth generation actors there are in hollywood who owe their careers to their actor parents or actor grandparents or actor great grandparents (Drew Barrymore anyone)? No, accuse Jaden of having no talent or charisma(and both remain to be seen before being judged),but regardless of who his father is, if he has none, no one will bankroll him. But do not bash him with nepotism. This is Jadens first starring role. It remains to be seen just how much charisma he has or lacks. I am old enough to remember Machio before KK came out, and I have zero recollection of his charisma before KK (or sadly) afterwards.
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They should have aged the kids to High School age like the fucking original. Cast Taylor Lautner and right now they would have been making some money from the "New Moon" crowd. Who is going to see this? Not fans of the original. Because fans of the original can just watch it in all it's cheeseball glory instead of this sorry excuse of an update.
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I tried to watch The Day the earth stood still remake on HBO the other day. That shit was horrendus. I have nothing against Will Smith or his family but that kid couldn't fucking act to save his life. He just comes across as annoying. I know the bar isn't set to high for kid actors these days but shit man. I'm thinking ten years from now he's trying to find the love of his life on a VH1 dating show. For the love of Jayden,or Jayden of Love.
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Sunsets and staying gold ... that scene became a part of me forever once I saw it, and I don't have any doubt it's a part of you too.
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That's what I tell everytime I log in here.
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This is Hollywood at it's finest. They're basically saying "You all look alike to me"
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I would argue that the title is probably going to annoy every single person who studies either karate or kung fu, which is hundreds of millions of people around the world. Would you remake "Corvette Summer" with the main car as a Mustang, but keep the title? Would you remake "Rock & Roll High School" and set it in the deep South and give it a bluegrass soundtrack, but keep the title? I know this is probably hard for you to understand because they don't give out black belts in WoW, but people who spend years of their life learning and training in one of these disciplines, and take pride in the rank they attain in whichever one they have chosen, find it very condescending when people say "what's the fucking difference?"
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F the haters, the original is a classic.
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Easy! Did you notice the quotation marks? Not trying to disrespect anyone, I was imagining (pretty accurately, I think) the studio execs' point of view. Do YOU really believe they care about the differences between the various forms of martial arts? Honestly? They want the recognition of the product, in this case, The Karate Kid. That's all they care about, because that helps to push the product to the American audience, where most of their ticket money comes from, and most of their DVD money comes from. My point was that from the business side, they simply don't care.
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Starring Martin Lawrence, Will Smith and Spawn of Will Smith. Spawn of Will Smith: "Daaaad! Martin Lawrence is beating me up!" Will: "I'm getting too old for this shit!"
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Mr Miyagi taking out the high school jocks when Daniel was getting his ass handed to him was pretty satisfying. I have a feeling watching Jackie Chan beat up 6th graders won't have quite the same effect.
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I'm going to go do some right now, just out of principle.
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...and how old was Ralph? Ralph looked like a bloke in his teens. Jaden still looks like he should be jumping his Huffy off of a sweet ramp in the back yard. Jaden's a little young to need to learn to defend himself against the entire population of Beijing for God's sake. Are they really making this movie? Why would Jackie Chan do this? Why is he making these movies? LESS IS MORE JACKIE/STATHAM/CAGE. And I swear to GOD, if no one screams "SWEEP THE LEG" in this movie I will literally picket the bloody movie theater.
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Jesus that guy will make anything, any time. He's so desperate to become some sort of Hollywood A-lister that he'll appear in anything. Hey Jackie, I'm fixing to take a dump and film it, why don't you sommersault a few squares my way and do a goofy double-take? I couldn't even watch the whole trailer the music was making my hair corn row. Fuck this stupid shit right up its stupid ass.
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And the studio answered with Def Karate Jam '10. Awesome.
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Kids know the difference between Karate and Kung Fu. Hell, they know a lot about martial arts. They might not practice them, but they know the names and who practices them (just like they know the names of the Transformers in the new movies and the names of all the students at Hogwarts).
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You must be a massive douche to make them hate you.
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...must have some misplaced anger - not necessarily for Jaden but being forced to watch reruns of Fresh Prince on the State TV station for the last 20 years.
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Dec 23, 2009 12:16:15 PM CST
Sigh..Shouldnt Jackie Chan be playing the Mandarin
by chocolatejesusman
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Dec 23, 2009 12:22:37 PM CST
...The Kid does look really small. Is he a primordial darf...
by flickapoo
...like Jada Pinkett?
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"Jacket Off"Says it allWell played, sir.
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The Day the Earth Stood Still
The Stepford Wives
Psycho
Born Yesterday
Miracle on 34th Street
The Invasion
Down to Earth
Around the World in 80 Days
The Hitcher
The Amityville Horror
Alfie
Poseidon
Swept Away
Wicker Man
The Omen
I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
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says the reason Jaden is being beat up by the Chinese kids is not so much the girl, but his precocious little attempts at capitalism in "Communist" China. Gag me now.
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ever since I saw him doing the Rubik's cube on the red carpet. It just seems douchey and elitist. It just reeks of him wanting to have his Nintendo DS and Jada saying "No way, you need to look like an intellectual 9 year old and set yourself apart from normal children". Not his fault, but it makes the whole family look douchey.
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made me laugh I admit.
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Those movies succeeded at what?
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The original KARATE KID was a perfect movie to me. I don't see how you could tell 'the story' of Daniel LaRusso and Miyagi better. That makes it perfect imho.
For those that are saying it was hardly a 'classic' or 'oscar worthy' I should remind you that Pat Morita *was* oscar nominated (best supporting) for his iconic performance, and that director John G Avilsden was also the oscar-winning director of ROCKY. Bill Conti's soaring score was also a thing of great beauty, and many tb'ers of a certain age will remember with a pang of nostaligia the soft rock soundtrack ('You're The Best'). Really well structured film, great cast (Elizabeth Shue in her first ever role), and perhaps it is a product of its time - but I'd certainly say it's one of the most iconic and memorable films of the Eighties. -
This re-boot / remake / cash-in holds no interest for me. But it's interesting that the first movie was aimed at teenagers (perhaps with enough intelligence and peripheral characters, such as Daniel's single mother) to also interest adults. This new film though looks like it skews for far younger children 'tweens'.
If they do an equivalent version of the moment where Miyagi rescues Daniel from the beating at the hands of the skeleton-suited Cobra Kai's then it's gonna look kinda worrying. Jackie Chan shows up, rescues Will Smith's kid and kicks the shit out of a bunch of ten year olds!!! -
...that post was...normal.You're the grand finale here man...make it BIG.
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Looks like a brain cell killer. Will smiths movies suck...the apple apparently doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Agree with others that cast is too young for this material. Another remake that nobody needed or wanted.
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I recently have been rewatching the original Karate Kid series and it has actual staying power. Personal I feel that if our current genration of kids had their parents show them the Original versions of that movie than they wouldnt really be impressed with it. Kids have grown up watching unbelievable action in children and family films that was rare in the 80's. A single episode of the new Clone Wars cartoon has more action in it then Karate Kid did. Its a question of whether the messages from the original of tolerance, discipline and peace come through in this movie.
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I would never credit Chan with acting, but his love and passion for the martial art shown here is undeniable and can be seen in the trailer. Plus it looks like mini-will is actually got some skill and that the training routines may lend more believablitiy. I like the original, but I never bought the Macchio karate fully. If the kid really has the skill, it may make it passable. As far as the title goes, it wouldn't matter it were gung-fu, tae-kwon-do, jiu-jitsu or keysi. Its a kid being taught martial arts by an unknown master. It will inevitably be called a Karate Kid remake so why not just call it what it will be called anyway.
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It's about a cheap, soulless production robbing a great, iconic, soulful classic beloved by millions of its identity.
I'd go see the stupid thing if it was called The Kung Fu Kid, but no, Will Smith just had to cash in on The Karate Kid name recognition. This stinks of crookedness. And it's an insult to Japanese and Chinese cultures.
I'm usually the guy calling for more lead rolls for black actors and actresses, more progressive, non-stereotypical roles. But this situation is not about race; it about theft, it's about fraud, it's about bastardization of something special and sacred to millions of people in this nation and across the world. That's what it's about. -
Flicka, not today, it's xmas. I could rip this shit to shreds but I don't have the inclination.
This remake doesn't actually bother me very much at all. It'll come and go with barely a ripple.
letsfightinglove was good enough to post up a list of recent remakes and this one will sit alongside them. It'll no doubt make back its budget +50%. Will Smith and his boy will get a little richer. But the movie will be forgotten. Not art just commerce. Just like the rest of the crap remakes of the last decade.
Ok, now for the big finale...
H A P P Y X M A S E V E R Y O N E ! ! ! -
...at being shitty, forgettable wastes-of-film that failed miserably at the box office, therefore proving that 99% of remakes are worthless despite Hollywood's love for them.
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Dec 23, 2009 1:38:31 PM CST
Looks fucking AWFUL, made me feel physically ill
by judge dredds fresh undies
The Karate Kid is no classic but even now I can watch it and enjoy it, the film has a certain charm.
This looks indescribably awful. The casting of Jackie was not a bad idea but he has shown in virtually every one of his Hollywood films that his presence is not enough to save a film.
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I mean come on 'sacred?'
Hell, I happen to love a movie called 'Forbidden Planet'. I think it is the greatest sci-fi of all time. And it is being remade. But it is not sacred to me. The only problem I have with a remake is if it keeps people from seeing the superior original version. But the upshot of remakes, is that they tend to make people seek out that original version after they have seen the remake for comparison. Chill. It is only a (remake) of a movie. -
FELIZ NA'VI DAD !
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Literally. He just left for Xmas.
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Elizabeth Shue's boobies. Sorry...I never really matured past the age in which I saw KK in the theater; between her absurdly wonderful deliciousness and wanting to roundhouse kick everyone in the face, I loved that movie!And yes, the scene where Miyagi whoops ass on the high schoolers (they *were* seniors so likely 18, 17 at the earliest) dressed as skeletons is totally awesome precisely BECAUSE it's not all showy and wire-fu-ized. Plus, corny or not, Miyagi was so totally right when he discussed "belts" (a purely western development initiated by a Japanese-American in the 50's iirc)No one's talked about the actual martial art choreography but how much you wanna bet Jaden's flying around on wires along with quick cuts to make it seem than an actual 10 year could actually use martial arts and could actually beat up someone while actually *using* martial arts. I've worked with 10 year olds in the martial arts and believe me, it's for show. Sure, a RARE exception here and there (as in doing it since the kid could walk) but just starting at that age and being able to use it at that age? Rubbish.The worst thing about this remake isn't Karate vs Kung Fu but the fact that they're screwing the original by using a elementary school toddler instead of a highschool teenager.
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...Cobra's current peace on earth and good will towards men and all.That's cool. I think there's a fighting tradition for this sort of thing...like if a warrior just got married or his woman had a baby or something another warrior will step in to protect his honor...I think it's cute.
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Dec 23, 2009 1:54:08 PM CST
THEY MAKE THIS BUT THEY DON'T MAKE A NINJA GAIDEN MOVIE
by bringingsexyback
Unreal.
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Is that Jaden Smith was horribly, HORRIBLY miscast. He has the charisma sure, but he looks like a stiff wind could blow him out to sea. In short, he's too young, he's 11(probably 10 at the time of filming). He simply doesn't have the physicality needed to pull off a part like this yet. It also means that whatever villains he faces also have to be relatively pint-sized in comparison to adults, at which point you question how good they could actually be at Kung Fu(I mean Karate!) at that age. And at the end of the day, this type of movie always, ALWAYS comes down to how well the the villains come across as unstoppable, such that when our plucky hero does overcome the impossible odds.. we cheer. And nobody believes a bunch of 10-12 year old bullies are that unstoppable, considering an adult could just grab them by the ear and smack them around a bit.. or gosh.. ground them. In short, thats the problem with the film. About the only justification for Jaden Smith getting cast here was parentage. If he was some kid off the street he never, EVER would have been cast in this film.
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And yet more fodder for BATTLE ROYALE 2010!!!!!!!Get your war faces on gentlemen!!! It's almost time!!!!They said it couldn't be done...they said no one would come..but yet the reality persists! REMATCH!You'll pay for a whole seat but you'll only need the EDGE!!!!!
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You hits you hard, but the pain is in fact delicious.
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Turns out The Omen and the Amityville Horror remakes did make some money, but I still stand behind my original assertion, BO results notwithstanding.
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I mean, if you love the original movie, will you love it less because of a remake? I said earlier that the only problem I have with a remake is if it keeps people from seeing the superior original version. But usually the original version become more sought after, especially if it is superior. I have no problem with people expressing their love of the original, as I express mine for certain movies. But losing your mind over a remake, that will make zero change on your appreciation of the original, well, it seems a waste of calories.
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Ocean's 11. I know some of you are big Sinatra fans but I tried watching it and just couldn't. Clooney and crew are having so much fun that you just can't hate them...it's not oscar worthy but still much better than the originals.
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The Karate Kid Trilogy has been special to me for 22 years. It is sacred to me, a source of wonderment since childhood. I have to stand up for it, especially in the face of such obvious crookedness.
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Can't this family of raging narcissists just sit home and have a group read of Dianetics with the Cruises already? Give someone else, someone who actually gives a fuck and has some talent a chance at the brass ring fuckers...your kid can't act, get over it...buy the little fucker some oils and canvas, or get him some play dough to fuck around with all day while the maids clean up after him and stop trying to build some kind of family dynasty by attaching his name to remakes of iconic films. Christ, can you imagine hanging with these folks? I bet dinner time is like a fucking financial strategy meeting at Berkshire Hathaway. "Dad can I..." "NO...you'll read your script all day...I spent good money getting you that part and you WILL prove you are worthy of my name" Poor fucker...bet all he wanted for Christmas was a G.I. Joe with a Kung Fu grip...instead..dad bought him the Karate Kid.
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It's a gut thing.
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But I think for many of us this film feels jaded and opportunistic, and also lazy. The kid is in China studying Kung Fu yet they call it the Karate Kid. That just makes us feel like Smith doesn't give a shit about the original, just wants to capitalize on the name.
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...times have changed. THE KARATE KID was a movie for teenagers when it came out...I was one and loved it...but today it would be for eight year olds.I loved THE KARATE KID at the age of twelve...today's twelve year old is watching internet porn and CRANK...I'm sure they realized they had to aim this at the SPY KIDS demographic.
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Also, it just looks really really bad.
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Good to see you my friend. I totally agree with you, well said.Please forgive them for they know not of what they speak!FP RULES! My Robby ornament on the tree as we speak. Have a Great Holiday Season mate, Cheers!
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Dec 23, 2009 2:08:11 PM CST
Darth Macchio...Fuck that! You're just lucky Old Blue Eyes...
by conspiracy
is feeding the trees or you'd be the one planted for such blasphemy.The Rat Pack were the real fucking deal..those fuckers were real hard drinking, three girls and their mom fucking, gamble all night and hop a plane to have dinner with Giancana bad asses; not a bunch of tree hugging pansies pretending to have balls.The Rat Pack were fucking Gods I tell you...
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As if to say, we can do better than you did. Hardly.
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the original and this oneDon't give me this nostalgia crap. I watched Karate Kid back in the day, liked it too. But to pretend like it's too 'sacred' for a remake...lmao. get a grip.this new one looks like shit, though
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Like Brad did?
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Dec 23, 2009 2:15:31 PM CST
This movie is just a present from Will Smith to his son
by zombieheathledger
Will: Hey son, what movie do you want to do? Daddy'll make it happen for you.
Jayden: Well, Dad, I really like my karate class so maybe a karate movie.
Will: Ok, son, let's re-make The Karate Kid.
I guarantee you this is how it went down. Being the son of the biggest moviestar in the world has it's perks (even if it makes us collectively puke). -
...only in the sense that it will result in a big talkback slap fight over nothing. Who here would actually go pay money for a Karate Kid remake starring the spawn of the Fresh Prince? Might as well argue about the abuse of your childhoods at the hands of the Chipmunks Squeakuel. Hollywood makes test-marketed trash out of a recognizable brand name, AICN does their best to legitimize it as an actual movie by inventing some controversy, talkbackers wail and gnash their teeth about their wounded nostalgia, and the world turns as it always has since it was created 6,000 years ago. -
But come on, they're not even trying here. For people who supposedly love the original so much, how can they fuck up so bad by having him go to China, learn Kung Fu and still call it the Karate Kid? Because the really don't give a fuck and just want cynically cash in on the title. Some of us just wanna say "fuck you."
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They should make a series of movies like this - the Karate Kid, the Wushu kid, the muay thai kid, the zui quan kid, um...
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as in mixed martial arts, what they use on the UFC matches? my god if they ever used that then movies would put people to sleep. i mean 5 seconds of hitting followed by 2 people grabbing onto each other and rolling on the floor til someone gives up doesn't make for entertainment. i still cant believe UFC still exists and is successful. it makes boxing seem exciting.
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Dec 23, 2009 2:25:58 PM CST
HOW COME WE NEVER SAW JACKIE GET HIS MOO SHOO IN NYC?
by bringingsexyback
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Where is that Karate Kid lovin' son-of-a-bitch anyway?
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Now that I would watch.
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but I feel worse for Cobra. We got ur back buddy.
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Dec 23, 2009 2:38:28 PM CST
Imagine the NIGHTMARE of being Jaden Smith's friend
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
"Hey J, what are you up to?""Just hangin' with my dad, Will Smith.""Okay, cool. You want to go to the mall later?""Yeah sure. We can get some movies starring my dad, Will Smith.""Uh.... how about we go see a movie at the multiplex instead? There's that new Sam Jackson movie...""Sam Jackson? He ain't nothin' on my dad, Will Smith.""Urrr... you wanna see that new Kick-Ass movie?""No! It looks a shit version of Hancock which starred my dad Will Smith. That movie ROCKED.""I'm sick of this. Fuck you and fuck your dad!""Awww, hell naw. You did NOT just say that. My dad, the movie star Will Smith, is gonna KICK your ass!"
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Where's the talkback?
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Or did PETA sue their ass?
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but he also fought Johnny. That just came to me.
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I don't know what that is or why I said it. It just sounded good.
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Dec 23, 2009 2:42:50 PM CST
...saber12, apparently Will Smith already caught all the flies..
by flickapoo
...a man who shoehorn his kid into KARATE KID remake ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
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Woot!!!
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...I don't know what that means either.
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You're a pussy. I wait for your reply so you can confirm.
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Little miracles like that tend to dot my life.
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...you do like them skinny.Zooey is a charming lass, but between my rock hard muscles and her svelte bones we'd have to wrap ourselves in bubble wrap to avoid serious injury...
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Zooey herself is perfectly proportioned, as though crafted by the hands of God.
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...you could start a fire.I would warm myself by that fire...and bask in the Christmasy glow...
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i like that he looks so serious.i hope the movie turns out to be fine.i dont care so much with the title,Holywood has already fucked up a lot of beloved movies and franchises,one more means nothing.
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You really are completely out of the loop aren't you?
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Back atchya!
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...would be a good movie. It would be about a kid who disappears whilst standing next to a car. The main character would be a lawyer who has to put the car on trial after suspecting that it ate the kid.Okay, that wouldn't be good at all. Forget it. I'm just typing things for the sake of typing them now.
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Zooet perfectly proportioned? Only if you like'em big in the hips with cottage cheese thighs. Pretty face tho. She was prettier as a skinnier blonde in ELF
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... with big-ass 80's hair and thick-ass legs ill-suited for a mini-skirt = no sale. I guess. Actually, Will Smith produced, ill-named remake starring his own kid with, one presumes, a chunk of the profits going directly to the Church of Scientology = no sale!
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... but those damn bewitching eyes hyp-moe-tized my sorry ass and I was incapable of even stammering out a coherent syllable. True story.
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but make the Hansen brothers Football players...but still call it Slap Shot...
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You Karate Kid purist are not only anal retentive, but also whiny. Stop pretending that the original was some life-altering cinema event. It was a popcorn movie with simplistic martial arts choreography. I think (on a sub-conscious level) your main gripe is the star's ethnicity offends your sense of the STATUS QUO. It's a movie marketed towards chldren and pre teens, not 20 to 30 somethings suffering from ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT.
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I love the Brat Pack on that level and I appreciate Sinatra's movies but Ocean's 11 (orig) just didn't work for me and the new one did. I'm not defending this..haha! But it is one remake I find to be better than the original. But more like Van Halen doing better covers of the Kinks than the Kinks originally did. Which is not to say the Kinks suck, not at all..Davies is practically a legend! but yet I still find VH's 'You really got me" a much more ass kicking rock song than the Kink's version. Plus, occasionally, Sinatra's ego was so big he barely had room to be a human being, much less act...On a more serious note and as a worthy mental exercise....is there such a thing as a universally accepted "better" remake? Before you call in Carpenter, know that "The Thing" is not a remake but a more accurate telling of the original short story. I'm talking PURE remake like Ocean's 11 or Psycho. Something not based on the same source but where it's source is the original movie.Yes, there are personal preferences (I like the '78 King Kong with Jessica Lang and Jeff Bridges better than the 30s b&w version which is likely blasphemy around these here parts) but is there such a thing as a "community agreed" good remake?
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Have Fedor play the Pat Morita character, keep the Smith kid, and call it "The Sambo Kid."
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You need new lenses my friend.
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And when I say "good remake" I mean specifically better than the original.Zooey is definitely cute but still lacks raw sex appeal. It's like she's gone all the way through "mousey" to the other side and wound up somewhere between cute and pretty but my main issue is...with that look she always has...I feel like I need to explain what's going on and what just happened. Like she's present but utterly inable to perceive what's going on so her face is a metaphorical, permanent, WTF sticker...or something.
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...I'm a bit mousy, and therefore intelligent...but you could still trick me into doing stuff...Some would call that the best of both worlds...
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Try to be best
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and one day time will tell
when you�re the one that�s standing there
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You�re the best!
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INSPIRING GUITAR SOLO
You�re the best!
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Nothing�s gonna ever keep you down
You�re the Best!
Around!
Nothing�s gonna ever keep you down
You�re the Best!
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Nothing�s gonna ever keep you dow-ow-ow-ow-own
Fight �til you drop
never stop
can�t give up
Til you reach the top (FIGHT!)
you�re the best in town (FIGHT!)
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Fist of Legend? (remake of 'Fist of Fury'...yes Bruce Lee is a legend and had way more screen presence than Li..but I'm talking purely the film itself).Man on Fire? (Denzel Washington version vs Scott Glenn version)Fast & The Furious?! (remake of Point Break)-> Ok..I'm kidding with this one...nobody touches the sheer batshit lunacy of Gary Busey!Drawin a blank here folks....help me out eh? Anything? Surely there's something we can all agree on to be better than the original yes?
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Set it in Brazil. Call it "The Zhoo Zhitsu Keed".
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I haven't logged in here in months, but this was just cause.Anybody who is trying to marginalize the original Karate Kid needs to go back and revisit it.As mentioned, Pat Morita was nominated for an Oscar for the film, and it had Bill Conti's score and was directed by the guy who made Rocky.And it was a younger, different type of Rocky story. I've got the DVD and you can see in the special features that the guy who wrote the story, (a blackbelt Karate master himself)wanted to bring the spirituality and themes of martial arts to this story about a boy becoming a man,For all haters: Can you imagine a scene in this new crap film that's ANYWHERE NEAR the quality of the moment when Daniel-San discovers the drunken Myagi on his wife's anniversary, and realizes that he was a war hero and that his wife died in an internment camp?Didn't think so.And then as he goes out to practice on his own, becoming a man, etc...Or the part when Myagi gives him the car, and he pauses and looks at him and says, "You're the best friend I ever had." And the response: "You...pretty ok, too." Epic movie. I'm done.
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Is better than the original silent version. I also like Scorsese's CAPE FEAR better.
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Is better than the original silent version. I also like Scorsese's CAPE FEAR better.
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but i think we should give this movie a small.i think this movie is the karate kid version for the 10 years old kids,like the original was for the teenagers or Rocky for the adults.
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Amen. The original might be a family film, but it is a fucking classic.
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The Thing Carpenter remake was better than the original, The Fly with Jeff Goldblum was pretty damn good, The Wizard Of Oz with Judy Garland pretty much knocked it out of the park. Sometimes remakes can be good.
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providing they're not hiding a gladbag worth of chub beneath black makeup and vintage clothing. But Zooey does have that "I don't get it" look permanently plastered on her face which tends to discredit the "I'm intelligent" argument...I've never heard her sing so can't speak to that...nor has she done bikini or nudity that I know of...I don't know...part of my cinema watching inner child occasionally ties cinematic personality (as in fictional) to the real life person. Yes, it's disturbed way to make judgements, not remotely based in anything other than "well shit, it sure seems easy for this particular actor to act like this particular asshole" which leads me to think it's not much of a stretch in terms of acting and thus, this person is, indeed, an asshole.In point of my argument: Jaden Smith and Zooey Deschannel in 'Day the Earth Stood Still' and 'Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy"Smith seemed like the biggest fucking asshole kid I've ever seen and shitting all over Jennifer Connoley just isn't kewl in my cinematic book so I say fuck you jobu...get out and go speak Mandarin with your sister and see if you can raise Hubbard's goofy ass face from the dead.For Deschannel, I couldn't help but think what a douche she was in Hitchhiker's (and I loved the books) and it just turned me off...I don't know...and then The Happening...terrible films to judge either of them I know...but part of me can't help it.If you want to see the best Jackie Chan...immediately get "Legend of Drunken Master"...this guy is simply god damn amazing and many regular filmgoers think of him as a goofy martial arts stunt man guy....wrong, he's a badass pure and simple...old or not. He'd kick everyone's ass in this TB, smiling ear to ear the whole time, and then sign autographs for kindergartners well into the afternoon.
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Nice call on both.
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The Thing wasn't a remake (I mentioned this in my first post on the topic) but you are most definitely correct about The Fly.I wasn't suggesting remakes aren't ever better but more looking for help in remembering which ones are, in fact, better than the original. Cronenberg's "The Fly" is absolutely 100% better than the original!Carpenter's "Thing" is based on a short story called "Who goes there?" (one of the best titles ever) written by John Campell. "The Thing from another World" was so loosely based as to not be the same story outside of location. Not remotely a "remake".But you are spot on with The Fly....Surely there are others?
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Jackie Chan is a living legend and a true superstar and many Americans cannot grasp his level of international stardom. He is truly one of the biggest stars in the history of film. That said, I don't think this film will have the soul of the original, and calling it "The Karate Kid" is retarded.
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...I have been one of the people saying THE KARATE KID was great at the time (my favorite movie for a while) but doesn't hold up very well.Your list of the more significant scenes is persuasive ...the first post to make me reconsider.I keep catching the end on TV and that crane move is just laughably silly...I had half forgotten some of the more meaningful scenes in your list though...
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or who made it?
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Though being a big star in other countries doesn't mean much to Yanks (rightfully so I think).I used to watch Chan as a kid when he was just getting big in Asian cinema..I knew him first as one of many 'heir apparent' to Bruce Lee's legend. But then I kinda lost track of him only to see him again in the very entertaining films he was doing in the 90's (Supercop, Rumble in the Bronx, etc) but when I saw "Legend of Drunken Master" I was so blown away by his martial arts prowess that I've been a HUGE Chan fan ever since. Problem is I fucking hate those Rush Hours pieces of shit and any other dumbass movie that derives it's comedy from anything remotely "fish out of water" bullshit...very uninspiring and unoriginal...But this guy is a martial arts genius first and foremost...the superstar thing is great...but he's ability parallels the true masters of martial arts in the cinema world.
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How about The Body Snatchers(1978)?
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what?
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Altho I've got to give credit to the horrible one made in the 90's if for no other reason than a little Gabriel Anwar nudity...but practically anything with Donald Sutherland is kick ass in my book, always liked him.Great ID tho...seriously.
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Y'know, the one where Jack Burton battles some supernatural japanese shit in America?
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was a remake of Bedtime Stories...
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other about remakes and other about jackie chan.thats why i fuckin love aicn talkbacks,i mean it. ;)
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is a remake, but i'm forgetting the name of the original.
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than the original one.dont forget that.
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I remember that scene well, when I grew up and learned about how true that was, I was floored. Miyagi had some demons to exorcise.
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thats tough.
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Why?
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Concerned about nepotism? Bad title? Bad acting? Fine. Start talking about corn rows and hip-hop audiences, and posters are obviously referring to race. And those are the cases I'm referring to.
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Just the other day i used one to deflect a ninja star thrown at me by a homeless samurai also known as Honin.
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I could have looked it up, but i'm lazy.
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oh wait I just flushed it down the toilet along with any memory of this...
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This movie doesn't look that bad, its a remake, so it won't necessarily be great. And whoever bitched about using katanas in a street fight is fucking retarded, it's a movie and I didn't see based off a true story anywhere.
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You're most welcome.
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Holy shit I almost choked on a brownie there. Well played, sir.
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My friends and I used to make fun of the Karate Kid as one of the stupidest movies of all time. Fucking Ralphy boy was a total douche we all hoped would get his pussy neck snapped. This remake will suck the fart right out of my ass.
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I have never watched the 'next' karate kid and i certainly will not be watching this. The original team couldn't even match the 1st movies greatness with the shallow sequel and insipid 3rd, so how can these hacks?! Utter tripe...
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The biggest problem with this movie is the casting of a 10 year old punk kid to be the "hero." I can't stand movies that put little kids in the position of doing something totally unbelievable or heroic. A 10 year old kid would get his ass kicked by anyone not in the 4th grade. Give me a break. Who's the a-hole that thought this was a good casting decision???
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Dec 23, 2009 5:57:14 PM CST
ittle kids in the position of doing something totally unbelievab
by battle_royale_with_cheese
stay far away from the Hit Girl talkback.
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and i think he knows it and because daddy and mommy forced him into the biz, he is gonna become a crackhead by the time he is 16 and i think 2010 should be the year of only remakes...no new ideas on paper
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...I just added BATTLE ROYALE to my queue after realizing I need to see it again (thanks with_cheese), and Netflix recommended I also check out AMERICAN BEAUTY, GINGER SNAPS, THIRTEEN, and TWILIGHT.That was disturbing...
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BATTLE ROYALE was my #1 film of the Aughts.
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If Foxes or Lolita show up on it, delete your account. you'll probably be on a watch list someplace.
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the reason kids dont know the difference between karate and kung fu is because adults dont know the difference and dont care to (because to the majority of westerners its all the same) - which is bull shit - like comparing soccer to rugby - or polo to cricket - i cant help but be reminded of the epic final fight between Jet Li and the japanese colonel in "fist of legend" - kung fu kicked karate's ass
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I they were Middle Class these Kids would be forced into Pederast Beauty and Talent pageants. But being rich just takes the stage parent mania to a whole new level. Seriously, look at this shit...not content with school talent shows and Karaoke at home, they went out and bought the kid a movie and the last shred of self respect that Jackie Chan had...not that he had much left after some of the Hollywood shit he has made.That scientology sure can bring out the narcissist in people.I wonder if Jada is a good lay? I'm better they analyze each other after every session and then go get cleared at the Hollywood center.
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Dec 23, 2009 6:50:48 PM CST
"Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature."
by battle_royale_with_cheese
Not that hollywood can tell the difference.
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You and your friends are stupid elephant-walking faggots from the sound of things. I'd be willing to bet you suck the farts out of each other's asses, cocksucker.
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No offense, but a young black kid hitting on a local in Beijing and your asking for trouble. Especially when your outnumbered 2.5 milllion to one. I understand Chan had his idea ripped off to create THE KARATE KID in the early 80's(similar to Bruce Lee being ripped of his THE WARRIOR/KUNG FU idea), but this just smells..no..stinks of Chan thumbing his nose at Hollywood and starting a racial debate/stir at the same time.
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I believe it was toad who said something about acting families, and he specifically cited Drew Barrymore.Let me address that one.Drew Barrymore established herself at an early age, as the adorable Gertie in E.T. She was adorable and had charm and charisma and gave a good performance. From what I have seen of Jaden Smith so far...Pursuit Of Happyness...sure he was pretty good in that but it was barely acting because he was paired with his dad, so I can't count that as a good performance because he wasn't performing all that much.The Day The Earth Stood Still...aside from the movie being crap, he was not all that good in that either. Drew Barrymore was likeable from the get go, not so with Jaden Smith. IMO, he has zero charisma, no charm, and so far has shown only minimal acting ability. Could he grow to be a really good actor? Sure, I am not going to make a judgment on his entire career from what little he has done, but IMO, he has not done anything to deserve being cast in this movie, other than being the son of one of the biggest stars in the world. The movie seems to have been molded around him. The original was about high school kids, the kids in this look barely old enough to be in middle school. I cannot fully judge the film on just the trailer, but I cannot at this point, from what I have seen, hold out any hope that this remake will have even 1/10 the charm of the original.
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I did not know that.
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Just, no.
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I'd rather this happen than that awful "The NEXT Karate Kid". The late Pat Morita was even in that one! So don't even overreact on the remake !
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... and better than most of the sequels to the original movie. The trailer is loaded with symbolism, and has made me even more interested in the movie.
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this past season. He did extremely well. Did you catch him? Youtube, if not.
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Will and Jada Smith can suck it, as can their non-acting, annoying punk son.
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I won't dishonor Pat Morita by watching the remake. Here's to Mr. Miyagi.
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No one can make a new karate kid no one like Pat or Ralph or the kobra kai its what made me go to Karate lesons
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Not all martial arts moves are intended for fighting. Each martial arts style is guided by a phiosophy. The moves make sense within that framework. Sometimes certain moves are practiced to get you ready for other moves etc. And it isn't billed as the most efficient way to kick someone's ass, it's a way of life. There are life lessons to be learned and such. In any event, if you pay attention to guys like Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen, and Jet Li, they don't use just one style anyways. Their fighting is a fusion of multiple styles.
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Who's the master? SHO NUFF!!!
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Telling Will to suck it might get a response you're not ready for ... but tell Jada to suck it is useless unless you're female. Yeah, I went THERE
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Dec 24, 2009 12:03:13 AM CST
Holy shit! I couldn't even make it throught the trailer...
by coughlins laws
How in the world does this have anything to do with the first one? Does the name, Karate Kid, mean anything to the people this abortion of a movie is aimed at? They changed the race of the kid, the age of the kid, the age of the mentor, and the Continent of the original. This is, what's the saying, and Epic Fail?
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Looks like a combination of KK1 and KK3. So big deal he uses different "trick" techniques. The movie is obviously aimed at younger kids than the first one was ( or... wait let me correct that... hollywood always has to have their actors the same age as the target audience now days... kids can't even dream or have an imagination for for future things... they have to have it "right now" )
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Dec 24, 2009 12:05:08 AM CST
Sorry for the typos, I've had a few adult beverages...
by coughlins laws
I couldn't watch one minute of that horrible trailer...
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As a joke, I was talkin' this sequel out in LA with an opening scene of a bloated, fat Ralph Macchio (from his "Miyagi Dojo" karate franchise..now on the slide) in his sort of "Tarantino/Travolta" comeback, getting a blow job in an Asian massage parlor..Then we find out about a nephew of Miyagi (the grandson of a GI/Japanese girlfriend “union”) who is in trouble with some drug dealers…The nephew is pumped full of "conserviliberalism" (Hiroshima=Evil...but only the strong survive!) and Daniel has to protect the Japanese kid...In the very end of the film Daniel starts to teach the Japanese kid “karate”. I like the twist of havin' the American havin' to teach karate to the Japanese.....With all the revisionist BS, identity politics and intellectual property battles that are goin' on...I think of “Enter the Dragon” and ask myself, "Who is Roper?"
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I shall ... yes, SHALL ... be seeing this in the theater. Why? Because I want to experience, first-hand, hearing a mother whisper "oh my god" when Jackie tell Jaden "Jacket Off" over and over
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"Jacket off? Man, you telling me to jack it off? Right here? What's wrong with you, man?"
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"Roper" was the obligatory White Guy that "Enter The Dragon" required in order to be billed as an American Martial Arts Movie. Hey, I'm not making this stuff up. It SURE wasn't because John Saxon was a student, because his moves couldn't even be called "Bar Room Brawler" ... they just sucked. Also, Jim Kelly was thrown in to appeal to MY people; probably (at the time) America's largest martial art movie-goers ... of course, like all movies back then, he HAD to die. As far as this movie is concerned, sure, they probably SHOULD'VE used a different name ... but then people would bitch that it was just "Karate Kid" with a different name.
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Soooooo... he learns Kung Fu... in China... and they STILL call it The KARATE Kid?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!
Jesus fucking Christ Hollywood, you truly are run by idiots for idiots.
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Most people could care less about what martial art goes with which culture. Ignorant asian kids probably could care less about the difference between American and Canadian cultures and I wouldn't hold it against them. I just want to see some cool looking flips and kicks and shit. Get over yourself nerds.
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"The Karate Kid" began as a property of DC Comics !!!!
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And I mean MEGA-fan, I owned the headband and everything, this doesn't look bad. Pick up jacket is a lame replacement for "PAINT MILES OF FUCKING FENCE", but still, things change, the tastes of generations change. Is karate kid THAT much of a classic, or is it due to nostalgia? I welcome this, and think it could be good...especially moved by the "FOCUS!" line Chan gives when the kid is empowered by the moves he learns. Wait...why am I trying to be positive? isn't this aicn? The site where 30 year old virgins pine over transformers? Oh yes it is...you fucking tired-ass misanthropes hate everything. Get a fucking life.
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Dec 24, 2009 6:39:50 AM CST
Curious if this group had same reaction to Hillary Swank's versi
by dirk_the_amoeba
I mean, they changed the gender (according to some reports), not just race. Makes an Amoeba wonder if...nah, could not be. I refuse to even dignify that errant thought by writing it down, Hmph. Accusing or even Minority (snicker) Reporting (think about it) that such fine folk who inhabit these boards would harbor such thoughts. No, I am sure there must be a more rational explanation for the anti Jaden Smith contingent than that which I even refuse to and *shudder* to think about, let alone write down.
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as a good,talented,actor.He is only a kid,he might reveal his acting skill (if he has it) when he gets older and more experienced.Dont forget that a lot of miracle kids with careers,disappeared from showbiz when they grew up into adults.And famous actors got recognized at their middle-age.So give Jaden a chance,you never know.
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was about doing something heroic,becoming a hero.it was about gaining self-esteem,courage,becoming a man.When Daniel won the tournament,he did not become a hero,he became confident of himself and won the respect he much needed.Thats why KK3 was so fucking unnecessary.
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cut tomatoes horizontally,cut tomatoes vertically.up down,left right.
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David Cronenberg proved that some remakes are totally justified. The Fly is far superior to the original. The Thing is another prime example. It's worth it if the original is flawed and can be improved. If the original is perfect, why bother? Why not remake Nightbreed. How amazing could Barker's vision be today? Imagine WETA doing it? Or The Last Starfighter, with state of the art effects. It's a great movie, but felt too small.
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i would like a remake of that
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because the first one takes a great first two acts and completely falls apart in the third. The serial killer guy knows that the protagonist can't be killed yet still tries to keep killing him in hand to hand combat with all those beserkers (or whatever they were called, the big monsters that looked like absolute shit) running around everywhere.
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Allot of people use the word Karate as a replacement for "martial arts". When I took Tang Soo Doo I was always asked what type of Karate do I study? So people thought of Karate just to mean Martial Arts so that would mean all types Tae kwon do, Kung Fu, Judo, etc.
In the movie he studied Miyagi-Do which was kinda like ishin-ryu. Not saying it's the correct terminology but to allot of
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Was a shotokan practitioner at the time of "Enter the Dragon." Later, he studied Tai Chi from my teacher, but I never met the guy. Jim Kelly was a karate competitor who was second choice for the role of Williams. Lee wanted ANOTHER black martial artist, a guy named Steve Sanders (now Steve Muhammad) to play the role. Yeah, I was his student too, but this was slighly before my time. Sanders was actually faster than Bruce (at least his hands were--probably not his feet), and they used to spar together frequently. Anyway, according to one of Steve's first black belts, Lee called up the school and told Steve that he wanted him for the movie, and had already paid his guild dues. All he had to do was go down and sign up. And...for reasons no one is quite certain of, he never did it. Kelly, who had a nearby school, heard about this, and had appeared in the movie "Melinda" so he already had his SAG card. Got the role. Ah well...you snooze, you lose. Sanders, btw, appears briefly in "Karate Kid" as one of the judges. Lean guy with a big fro. Fastest human being I ever saw.
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Suddenly, there's all these martial arts experts on AICN. Riiighhhht.
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And then we all saw what he looked like, a buck oh five nerd that could be knocked over just by pissing on him? Yeah, given the anonymity of the web, we all studied with Bruce Lee AND Pai Mei.
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With CGI Gremlins. And Shia Labeouf. Excuse me, I have to go get my lobotomy now.
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I remember reading where the they had put a list up for the crew to put ideas of silly shit they'd like to see the Gremlins do. Re-watched Gremlins a few months ago, some of the silly shit works and is still funny, but some of it doesn't and there's just too much of it. It's like they filmed every single idea given to them instead of taking say the top 7 or 8 things. It's a cute diversion but slows the movie down and sucks out the danger and dramatic tension (like the slow pan in of the Mike Hammer gremlin sitting alone, saxaphone music playing in the background. It's cute but the shot takes up too much time). The real question is whether to remake GREMLINS with puppets like the original or with CGI.
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they use Karate as the only word to describe all types of Martial Arts.Its logical,a lot of people dont know anything about MA,what they know is usually from movies,and since Karate is a very known and very memorable word related with MA,they use it as a common word for all MA.its a matter of convenience.
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Let me tell you, nothing says you are tough more than dancing the Foxtrot and the Cha-cha-cha.
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You people on Talkback is STUPID as hell !!!
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Dec 24, 2009 1:24:09 PM CST
At least they put a new spin on the masterbation joke!
by dickballsworth
"Jacket Off".
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http://tinyurl.com/y98vhtb
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...vocabulary.
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It was called "The Forbidden Kingdom." A young guy gets beat up by bullies, Jackie Chan teaches him martial arts, he beats up the bullies in the end..
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Dec 24, 2009 3:22:25 PM CST
Do they still have that idiotic anti martial arts law in the UK?
by asimovdiedofaids
In the 90's, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were renamed the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles over there because any form of martial arts couldn't even be referred to in the media. Talk about a "nanny state"! This in a country where everyone is stumbling drunk by noon and even little old housewives have Tony Montana-sized mounds of cocaine on their coffee tables. Weird.
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Really?Does anyone care about movies about "Martial Arts"? The era of VanDamme,Stevan Segal and Oliver ? have come and gone...back in the early 90's.This movie is something your Grade School daughters might want to go see.No respectable adult or teenager is going to sit through this movie..in June.When you have Iron Man2 right around the corner...puh..pleeze!
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Is the greatest 80s movie song ever. I love it so much that my character in Fight Night Round 4 enters the ring to that song. Hopefully either the UFC 2010 game or the EA sports MMA game will have the option to put custom songs for entrances.
As for this movie, it doesn't look to have the heart and the overall appeal that the original had and still has. Yeah I still watch the originals from time to time. Thomas Ian Griffith kicks ASS in part 3. Part 2 is still my favorite, but the original Karate Kid still stands as some of the best cinema in the vein of Rocky. -
...everyone knows EYE OF THE TIGER is the best movie song of the 80's or any decade.My friends and I used to put on thin ski-gloves, crank up the boom-box...and beat the living shit out of each other in the backyard. No girlie video games for us...The EYE OF THE TIGER...clearly you lack it.
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No the reason they were called Hero Turtles instead of Ninja Turtles is the bad rep the word "Ninja" had gotten from all the 80's ninja movies.
Same reason why Ninjutsu changed it's name first to Bujinkan Ninpo Taijutsu in the mid 90's, and then a few years later to Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu.
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That is all.
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I was a teenager when it came out and I could tell it sucked.
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OMG LOL PMP
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Damn it! There was nothing wrong with the original! I think in time it'll just be something that is disregarded, like the Star Wars prequels!
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you have your beloved movie safe and secure in your blyray or dvd collection,and in your memories.Holywood can not even touch that.
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of a Geisha?" Or something. I don't remember your name. But they did see it. In fact, it was kind of controversial when it came out. That's really all I wanted to say. Google it. Um. Yeah I have an awesome solution to this film. Don't see it. These remakes aren't going to stop. It's an instant fucking cash in for whoever owns the rights because remake = DVD re=release with fuck-all new footage AND a huge opening for the "reimagining". We've reached the end. Just watch TV and rent good movies from Netflix. All this 3D or remake crap is the death rattle of sensibility in Hollywood in response to piracy. Fuck it all.
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be lined up to see it.
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This same aversion to martial arts in UK media was also responsible for Michaelangelo switching to that wierd bolo rope hook weapon in later seasons... they were forbidden to show nunchucks, and the producers were sick of having to recut every episode. The other EZU countries got their licensing from the UK distribution. They also removed all of the "US slang" that ( predominantly Michaelangelo ) they spoke.
Presumably this was for local taste, and not censorship, however. -
I assume you're referring to me as the faux "martial arts expert." Wow. Like there aren't a million people who've studied martial arts. Pure probability says some of us would end up on AICN. If that's not a path you've walked, sorry. Try it. You might like it.
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But the dude is looking good in his later 50s.
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And i though the dad was anoying! The fucking kid far surpasses his dad in the anoying department. I bet the kid is an arrogant shit. It really comes across that way onscreen in the trailer, and i don't think that's because of his acting or the character he's playing. Fucking shit, this kid is pudridity. As if i didn't need any mroe reasons to fucking hate Will Smith. and now, not only we have him, but the anoying son as well. Fuck this shit! Fuck them both! Fuck them! Fucking shit, man!And yet, this looks like shit. More anti-chinese propaganda via Hollywood. Unfucking believable!My wish is that every punch landed on Lil' Willy really hitted him on the mouth. Go chinese boy, go!
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For the Fresh Prince and his kid.
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Dec 25, 2009 2:17:05 PM CST
LOVE jacki Chan but won't see this (titles mean something)
by scytherius
When you put a coke label on the soda, I damn well want a coke. If it's really cream soda, well, don't tell me it's coke.
You call this the Karate Kid and that is what I expect. This isn't even remotely close. The "fell" is ALL wrong. There is so much wrong with this, no way you'll get me in the theater. What an enormous waste. -
Why don't you just come out and say what you really feel? It never fails regarding a Will Smith (or) related thread, that for some reason brings out the (racist) insecurities of some you pseudo intellectual peckerwoods. Why don't just own up to the fact, Will Smith and (now) his son offends yours' and your ilk's sense of the STATUS QUO? I've never read so much chicken shit backhanded or all n' out racism directed towards a minute+ trailer that just so happens to star a 12 year old black kid (who just so happens to be the son of the biggest B.O. star to date). Some of you racist nerds are acting like a bunch of disenfranchised trailer park rednecks who came home and caught your second cousin/wife in bed sucking a 14 inch black dick. Calm down and take solace in the fact that over 99.9 percent of Hollywoods' productions are WHITE!
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This movie looks absolutely fucking horrible. Who produced this? Master P? Are you serious... the little black kid's name is DRE?! OMG... PLEASE DESTROY THE MASTER PRINT OF THIS.
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Are you for real? Are you retard or something, or are you playing daft? I dislike Will Smith because i'm a racist?? FUCK YOU, BUDDY! Go fuck yourself! Fucking cunt calling me racist!! Can you fucking believe this shit? Is that the defend you Will smith groupies came up with every time? Fucking retards! Get fucked, asshole! Fucking ass!! Unbelievable!!
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Dont' dare say anything bad of anybody from the Will Smith Holy Family, of the Will Smith Cock Sucking Brigade will call you a racist. Tremble!!
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For a ten year old this will shit over the original. But Ten year olds also prefer Clone wars over New Hope. Can't hate on the next generation, just educate them.
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and this little kid probably weighs about 50 pounds. Why couldn't they use older people? When you see two little kids fighting in a playground, do you stop because you're afraid someone is going to be seriously hurt, or do you keep on driving because you know they can't do much damage even if they want to? If this just HAD to be a vehicle for baby Will, why couldn't it wait 6 or seven years?
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LOL! Go figure, not only are you an in denial racist, but you also seems to suffer from an acute bout of Tourettes when angered...Howabout getting laid more often?
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"If this just HAD to be a vehicle for baby Will, why couldn't it wait 6 or seven years?" -----Cuz by that time Jaden will probably want to star in the remake of TOP GUN, thus going further against the STATUS QUO, and in turn (subsequently) pissing off you FANBOYS to the Nth degree.
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Call this thing The Kung Fu Kid and I'll go watch it in the theater, opening night even.
The TRUE RACIAL IGNORANCE that you fail to notice, is that Karate, a significant piece of Japanese culture, is in the title, when Kung Fu, a Chinese martial art, is what the youth learns in the film. This is the same type of ignorance, carelessness, and indifference that results in Chinese actors being cast to play roles. -
I'm not gonna talk about how they should never have remade Karate Kid, cuz it was a crappy movie in the first place-
I'm not gonna talk crap about Jaden Smith being a crappy actor, cuz, who knows , he may not be. He's just a kid. Most kid actors are annoying so whatever-
AND I'm not gonna say anything horrible about Jackie Chan, cuz he's my hero, and I'd watch that guy read a phone book in an empty room and still love every minute of it.
I agree that they should call it the Kung Fu kid- cuz that's CLEARLY Kung Fu they're using.
And could we have a scene where Jackie Chan beats up Wil Smith? THAT I'd pay to see...
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Listen, you fucking retard: If the whole point you can make about people not liking Will Smith is race, then you are stupid or a fucking immoral cynic. Shits like you who come with the racial card are below contempt. Get this into your thick head, asshole: there's people who do not like Will Smith, and it has nothing to do with his race or colour of his skin, but to do with his talent or lack of and his irritating screen persona. Got it, retard? Do you understand? Fucking ass!
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doesn't make it a great or even good movie. Re-watch as an adult (which only works if you actually emotionally matured) and then judge. I was pleasantly surprised by this trailer. It looks better than most children's movies that aren't made by Pixar.
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Call this thing The Kung Fu Kid and I'll go watch it in the theater, opening night even.
The TRUE RACIAL IGNORANCE that you fail to notice, is that Karate, a significant piece of Japanese culture, is in the title, when Kung Fu, a Chinese martial art, is what the youth learns in the film. This is the same type of ignorance, carelessness, and indifference that results in Chinese actors being cast to play Japanese roles. -
If you remember, Daniel had studied some karate before meeting Mr. Miyagi. If Jaden's character has he same history, then he could well be an orange belt in some strip-mall karate style. Try to use it on the locals and get CREAMED. Now they mockingly call him "karate kid." Chan takes pity on him, teaches him Kung Fu (probably a mixed style. "Wing Chun" dummies are often used by other martial artists. They're cool equipment). Now you have the title as slightly mocking, and it makes sense. But you're right about one thing: if the title refers to what he is learning, it sucks big-time. If it relates to what he knew BEFORE he came to China, that's actually rather clever.
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a) why would old men be interested in 11 year olds fighting? Its not interesting, they are too small to really get strong and not really mature enough to understand philosophy. High school age is way better...kids are getting stronger, lots of emotions, lots of soul searching...perfect time to grow up with some kung fu maturation.
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Two things:
1. The kids are too young. I have no desire to see young kids fighting even if it competitively.
2. Jaden Smith doesn't impress me. I think he's only getting roles because of his father, not really on any talent of his. It is so hard to break in to the entertainment industry that it kills me to see someone get a shot because their parents or relatives are already in the business, not because they deserve it.
Oh well, I do like their take on the story and I like Jackie Chan, but the age of the kid and who is playing him make this a probable no-go for me. -
...since he's hanging out with Jackie Chan!
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Karate originates from Kenpo which is Chinese in effect making it Chinese. Karate is a martial art developed in the Ryukyu Islands (Okinawa) from indigenous fighting methods called Te and Chinese kenpō.
That's from a Youtube poster to the video of the trailer.
Marketing dictates that if they can link a movie with an existing, beloved and successful franchise (like The Karate Kid) then this will happen.
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