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You'll Soon Forget This SHREK FOREVER AFTER Trailer Just Like Its Characters Forget Shrek!!
Merrick here...
I don't remember anything about SHREK THE THIRD other than it put me to sleep. And, when I asked the people I saw it with what I'd missed, none of them could recount a single moment.
I do kind of enjoy ABC's SHREK THE HALLS TV special, however (it's now on DVD HERE
). Gingerbread Man's flashback to seeing his Gingerbread girlfriend eaten by a Godzilla-sized Santa Claus is pretty rich, and I love Donkey's line, "Christmas ain't Christmas 'till SOMEBODY'S crying!"
This said, the following trailer for SHREK FOREVER AFTER does nothing to interest me. I didn't laugh once - the funniest thing here is that nothing is funny here.
SEE IT HERE!!!
What do you think?
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Dec 17, 2009 3:39:45 PM CST
LOVED PART 1, LIKED 2, HAVEN'T SEEN 3, WILL NEVER SEE THIS!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Shrek 4ever? To keep up the trend of crappy number/titles?
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Fucks sake...I thought Lucas could milk a property...let this fucker die already.
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Maybe they'll pick-up that convention with 5HREK?
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OR MAYBE THEY'LL SHOW IT IN 4 DIMENSIONS SO THEY CAN GO BACK IN TIME AND SHOW SHREK 1 INSTEAD
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Dec 17, 2009 3:49:34 PM CST
TIME FOR A FUCKING REBOOT!!! GET RID OF KIRSTEN DUNST!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Whats up with that shit?
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And they like.. ripped off their clothes so they could kick and stuff. And they probably beat someone or something up? That's all I remember
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yeah, i forgot what part three was about!! heck i forgot about part 2.
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The first two Shreks were pretty good, but 3 sucked major dick. It just felt like some obese guy ate the environments and characters from 2 and shat out 3. This trailer looks kind of okay, at least they're shaking up the story a little.
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Dec 17, 2009 3:52:43 PM CST
SO IT'S ALTERNATE REALITY TIME FOR THE SHREK FRANCHISE!?!
by tehcreepythinman
I guess they have no where else to go with this series. Kinda like how Buzz Lightyear reverts back to being an idiot who thinks he's a real space explorer in Toy Story 3 from what I've seen.
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I really hope that the Spanish Buzz Lightyear nonsense is just a quick joke in TS3. We've had idiot-Buzz in both movies, do we really need him again? OMG it's funny cause he's speaking a foreign now!
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Besides kids, I mean?
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...is pretty great. Shrek 2 was very enjoyable. Shrek 3 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
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But now that I think about it, it is a little too Garfield...
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......Well, it could!
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No shit?? The movie that brings nothing to the table but worthless parodies has a scene that reminds you of Garfield?? Yeah, like that movie Meet the Spartans kinda reminded ME of 300...weird... :o|
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Maybe it is the not so timeless "hip" elements, or the fact Katzenberg loves to drive a property into the ground to extract every last cent of profit from it. Whatever the reason...they just are less fun to watch with every passing year. Say what you will about Pixar...but those guys know how to protect their properties from over exposure, and how to craft timeless stories that most times leave you wanting more and not saying "enough".
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It was on before Avatar. Looks terrible, and I'd forgotten about it until I saw this story. If you can forget a trailer immediately after seeing it, that says a lot about the movie.
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Where is your Christmas spirit? Why the hate? In my day, I was taught if you have nothing good to say about anyone, don't say anything about them.
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Oy. The only good part of Shrek 3 was when the Gingerbread Man's life flashed before his eyes. The ONLY time I laughed.
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seriously, why would AICN post this negative bullshit if they hate it? Methinks they collectively hate AVATAR,
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I'll admit right here and now that I like all 3 previous Shreks. This looks like a warm plate of SHIT! It looks like a retarded straight-to-video hack job.
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this, not so much. Although it will make a bazillion dollars. Which is what it's all about.
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and the cat saying "I'll get him later." was funny.
But let's be honest. Comedies suffer most from sequelitis. Sci-Fi, Action and Comic book sequels all benefit from special effects getting better and budgets getting bigger, but comedy sequels, the jokes just get older and the characters ability to surprise diminishes with each movie, because we know them. I wouldn't count this movie out just yet. Take a niece or nephew. You'll enjoy it more, cause they will piss themselves. -
Dec 17, 2009 4:30:35 PM CST
Let's take the best thing in Sherk and turn it into...
by larry of arabia
"Garfield." Oh, that'll work.
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did i miss something?
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You know they already planned out a fifth movie. And a Puss in Boots movie. Only way it gets scrapped is if this has a TOTAL FAIL at the box office.
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Mike Myers, Cameron Diaz and Eddie Murphy meant something? Now, it's yyaaaawwwwwwnn. If America turns this into another hit, then the terrorists have won.
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4 roy e disney. next year.
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has not noted anywhere.
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Dec 17, 2009 4:59:37 PM CST
RoyDisneysGhost...Let me appologize for the lack of an Obit..
by conspiracy
The guy who is most responsible for saving Disney....TWICE..., and dedicating his life to protecting and nurturing Disney feature animation, deserves better from a site dedicated to Film.
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This will be sweet revenge for when Shrek inexplicably stole the oscar for best animated feature from Monsters, inc. (I remember a bunch of adults saying "Shrek was better" at the end of the Monsters, inc screening... Where are those idiots now?)
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Did it get so bad???? The original is FANTASTIC!! ....... Where did it all go wrong!?
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...Roy Disney died YESTERDAY, you nitwits. Where the hell's the obit? Take your time, please, by all means. Yet another nail in the AICN coffin. Better get with the '00s before we head into the '10s, guys.
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Dec 17, 2009 5:16:32 PM CST
How is it that we still don't have a METAL GEAR SOLID movie...
by jubal_early
...or a SPLINTER CELL movie, or a decent movie about the ninja clans of feudal Japan or FIREFLY-style series or an Isaac Asimov NIGHTFALL movie or a Neil Gaiman SANDMAN movie/series or ANYTHING that would actually be GOOD, yet we are STILL getting THESE movies?
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The trailer just blatantly lies about this being the final Shrek movie.
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Should have been up today, at the latest.
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The is the only solid franchise DreamWorks Animations has. This will gross, at minimum, $200 million.
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First Shrek was sorta fresh, but nothing more.
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The rest can fuck off. Also, the funniest bit of the trailer was the look on his face as he slid down the scratching post - the mouse schtick was tired and unfunny. Does not look good.
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The greatest adventure of all time?
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Shrek movies suck, move aside and just let Pixar handle these affairs.
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Are you including Inglourious Basterds?
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I missed the whole midsection of the film. It just was so "meh"...like austin powers 3.
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they promote this as the last chapter but its called forever after.
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Really?
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We all know how serious a lucrative (and stale) franchise is when it states 'The Final Chapter'. Or, more specifically, how it is not.
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had two "final chapters" and they kept going beyond both so yeah....lol
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Go back and watch it. Very dated a lot of the pop culture jokes just are horrible because it happened years ago. That is why Pixar movies will be classics and Shrek will be "yeah those used to be funny but I haven't watched one in years".
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but shouldn't a child be reviewing this? I've seen all 3 like 20x each when I'm babysitting and unless Donkey murders Shrek, I'm pretty sure kids will love it.
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The man kicked out FUCKING Eisner, and nothing?
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AICN: Still no obit. Shameful.
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Not many folks outside of animators or Disney fanatics know who Roy E. Disney was, except possibly recognizing his famous surname...and that is a fucking shame. For this quiet, understated film maker and businessman TWICE was directly responsible for saving Disney; ensuring the continued legacy of Disney animation.Roy is the man who all but hand picked Eisner and his team after ousting a member of his own family he saw as uncaring about the artistic and business direction of his uncles unique creation. Roy helped usher in the revival of Disney animation; and when Eisner began to follow the path of the previous CEO by destroying important relationships with Pixar, neglecting the animation department, letting the themeparks fall into disrepair and taking Disney farther away from its animated/family core...fought from outside the boardroom with his own money to help oust the very men he himself had brought into the Disney fold thereby bringing about the second Disney revival we see today. He may have been a quiet man...but Roy could kick ass when needed.Honestly, if not for Roy E. Disney there would today likely be no Disney/Pixar deal and most probably no hand drawn animation at all. Instead Disney today would be nothing but direct to video, cheaply made, souless cartoons made by people who cared little for film or the artisty of the animator. If not for Roy we'd be getting the Disney version of Shrek 3 shoved down our throats instead of The Princess and the Frog. But thankfully, Roy fuckin cared; Roy fought for and protected the artist and the artistic process, believing in quality over expediency and mediocrity just as his uncle did. I dare say that anyone who has enjoyed a Disney branded animated film over these last few decades, owe him some thanks for his tireless efforts in this regard.
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It was boring - an unforgivable crime when the first was was great entertainment.
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No, Merrick, no. Don't quote Shrek movies/TV specials. Come on, now.
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Having said that. Except.
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...was a better title originally.
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That's all I can say.
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To be honest, I thought Meyers seemed unnecessary in Basterds.
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"I'll get him later" wasn't bad. Never saw Shrek #3, so I can't complain, but hey look at the bright side! At least making this has kept Meyers and Murphy away from doing really bad movies in the mean time.
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The shithead of AICN. Also, Shrek is cool.
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Proman, you play with my emotions. With one sentence I feel as though I finally have a brother; your next, a greatest enemy.
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Will make cash, will be more for many years to come. And I shall ignore them all.
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Ba-doom ching!
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I'm already tired of the movie, just from this teaser.
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The Garfield-lite stuff was kinda funny. But do we really need to see these guys go thru their paces Again? I saw the first two, thought both were alright but slight, skipped the last one.
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Damn. One of you who are polluting every thread with obit complaints tell me what he did to contribute to cinema. Please, tell me! Then tell me what you're going to say in the talkback about his great contributions to cinema. Please, I'm begging! He was a business man and a RELATIVE of the Disneys who mattered. If you think every relative of every person having something to do with making movies, or having the same last name as somebody famous, deserves an obit at AICN then, A) you're an asstard, and B) you have WAY too much time on your hands to worry about inconsequential bs. RIP Roy, because we sure aren't gettin' any here.
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The only cool thing about that movie.
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I hated the Love Guru but I still feel there could be an Austin Powers 4 movie, also a Wayne's World 3, and The Happening 2: Happeninier.
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But it's a ways off because Mike and Jay haven't figured out what the story will be yet.
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Indeed, the headline is really fucking weak.
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3rd one was shockingly acted, for a CG animated film.... i'm in the boat of can't remember a damn thing except that i hated it. This one looks to be scraping the resin out of the bong in the hopes it'll have some re-smoking value
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I am genuinely amazed!
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As someone said in a column I read the other day (Rolling Stone, maybe?), the idea that at the time they were released, Monsters Inc and Shrek were actually considered to be in competition with each other, or on a par with each other, is shocking. Its really laughable in hindsight that anyone could ever think these two existed on anywhere near the same level as each other, as Monsters Inc has over time come to be seen as a modern day animation masterpiece, and Shrek has come to be seen as the stale, dated, cynical, pop-culture-joke-fest that it is. Pixar 1, Dreamworks 0. I'm honestly amazed as many people like Shrek 1 in this talkback as they do. Really? Have you watched it recently, like in the last 6 months? Or are you looking back on what you THINK it is through a haze of nostalgia?
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Yep...got it from Puss in Boots.
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To let you know, Roy E Disney was the son of Roy O Disney, Walt's brother who ran the business stuff for Walt. In the seventies Disney was at an all-time low after letting their core business atrophy in the wake of Walt then Roy Sr's death. Roy E led a mutiny and returned animation to it's place of prominence, hiring a bunch of new execs and insisting on Animation being top priority. Took years but it did work. Then Eisner, who Roy had hired, went to that magical place called egomania (R.E.D. fought with Katzenberg too) and eventually was the one that had him fired. Thus saving Disney twice. So sure you can say he was a suit, but for a suit he truly looked out and saved the Disney animation legacy.
I know it sounds like I'm some plant for saying it like that, but before you have more of a tantrum, consider the possibility that there are actually some people out there with their hearts in the right place. He gets my respect because he was one of them. And it wouldn't have killed you to just google it instead of being so pissy. I actually think the TBers are right to be a bit annoyed on this one. Hopefully Harry will learn to put a sentence together again in time to write something up. -
So yes he was a businessman and didn't directly write or draw anything. Ironically, suits interfering with Disney creative content has been EXACTLY the thing that brought it to it's knees both times. But hopefully now you can see that he definitely contributed to CINEMA in a huge way, even if it wasn't as literal as you'd like. Fair? Cheers mate.
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Dec 17, 2009 8:13:34 PM CST
PHANTOM MENACE REVIEW!!!WATCH THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
by tehcreepythinman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI
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I've actually written exactly what you did, from memory, in a couple of talkbacks. And I don't mean to be insensitive about it. For his family, I'm sorry he passed. But I stand by what I said before as strictly relating to AICN and people demanding an obit over and over and over in every talkback, ad nauseam. It's just silly. He didn't make the films. He didn't create the characters. He simply worked hard as a business man to keep his pops and uncles legacy alive the way he wanted it to be remembered.
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But still freakin' annoying IN THESE TALKBACKS. lol
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Her highest point in cinema was her swirling ass dance. Meanwhile, the Rifftrax live Christmas show was insanely funny, and nobody is talking about it.
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1.2, 2.1, 3.4-d, 4.3
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Pop culture jokes aren't funny when that part of the culture is no longer popular.
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Dec 17, 2009 8:38:12 PM CST
1st Shrek was pretty good, 2nd was shit. Haven't seen the 3rd
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
I don't get how anyone could say that Shrek 2 was even an okay film. It was almost as bad as one of those Freidberg/Stelzer movies with pretty much everything just being a reference to some other movie.
I seem to remember them doing The Little Mermaid, From Here to Eternity, Spider-man, The Matrix and Lord of the Rings in the opening scene alone.
And I use the term 'reference' rather than spoof because when you're recreating a memorable scene verbatim and the only 'joke' is that it's Shrek hanging upsidedown instead of Spider-man then you're not spoofing, parodying or lampooning anything; you're just recreating someone else material in your movie so that morons can sit in a theater, nudge their moron friend in the seat next to them and say "lolz, that bit's from............" -
But Aladdin had Groucho Marx and Ed Sullivan gags. That's way more timeless than the diarrhea Shrek was squirting out.
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Are you the one who makes those reviews?
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You'll have mentions of Twitter and Facebook. President Obama. A stage coach with GPS. That sort of thing. This movie is so predictable and it isn't even out yet.
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I'm serious. Shrek the Musical should be seen by all before it closes this January.
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My niece and nephews, ages 5, 14 and 16, have no idea who Sullivan and The Marx Brothers are. I'm working on it, but really, they don't care.
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I bet they've never seen From here to Eternity either yet the guys who made Shrek thought that was worth referencing.
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that Roy was also in charge of Disney's "True Nature" series starting in the late 1950's thru the 1970s...and was nominated for an Oscar twice. He was also deeply involved with Fantasia 2000, a film ruined by Eisners meddling.Roy also was a major contributor to CalArts, and pushed for a theater in Disney center that would showcase experimental and amateur film. The guy was a champion of film, animation and the arts in a way that most actors, celebrities and directors that are fawned about on here are not, and for that he deserves a place at the fucking table and some fucking respect from so called film fans. For fucks sake we got non-stop Micheal Jackson obits on here for a week and that fucker did ZERO for cinema.
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I hate that one SO much. But you're right, all three of those have seemingly been done to death. Like, hasn't De Niro done a parody of "You talkin' to me?" himself? Maybe not, but is sure feels that way.
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...someplace else, aren't you? Siiiigh.
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In the Rocky and Bullwinkle live action film that I never saw.
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Really, really sad.
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Guess fuckin not if this is the final chapter. Although the words "final chapter" mean abso-fucking-lutely nothing in Hollywood, as evidenced by Friday the 13th, endless reboots, and whatever else.Oh well, what the fuck ...
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Don't be such an ass. I've been in the industry for 25 years, and it has been an incredibly important part of my life. Don't trash me in your geek dumb-ass way, when I ask about a Roy Disney thread. His contributions were significant. (By the way, "DIED" is a perfectly good word - who started this "passed" shit????? He didn't fart.)
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Really? So when you pass (a perfectly good word) we should all invade every talkback with repeated complaints that AICN hasn't posted an obit for you? (rolls eyes) And to the letter, everything that has been printed in these talkbacks can be found in a thousand other articles on the web. Often it's been copied word for word.
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I was given my first batch of Disney stock back in the late 1980s; Today as an investor and Disney fan, have kept up with that companies history, what my employees have been up too, how they got to where they are and how they spend my money. Just like I could tell you about James Camerons more publicly noticeable contributions to cinema as he spent some of my money, as a Newscorp investor, on Avatar.Jaka, some of us here actually do keep up with the important parts of this business that interest us directly, and understand that a movie is more than just an actor, a director and a GCI wizard...that to get that thing on screen requires talented, dedicated people in hidden often corporate positions who maybe YOU as a casual movie watcher have never heard of but without whom geeks would never be able to jack off to giant fucking robots.
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enough already,
For all your whining, this shit essentially isn't for a geek over 15 unless a kid is in tow. The rug-rats that grew up with this franchise WILL guarantee this one make a hundred million.....EASY!
It's unfortunate the masses are attracted to Shrek, Harry Potter, Spider-man and now Twilight. But hey it could be worst.
I watched the first Shrek , it was hilarious. The second one had it's moments. I had no interest in three but this trailer wasn't bad. It didn't reveal much to conclude that it's going to be shit, however, the cat bit was funny.
For 2010, Have a resolution, "leave the hate at the gate". It's getting pretty pathetic, Rather than bitch about what these guys are doing, why not put together a shit franchise of your own and get some of that money. If not you'll be doing the same thing at next years' end...
Critiquing something when you should be doing.
Peace and chicken grease aintitcoolnews and fellow commentators...
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! -
...AND you're making assumptions about me that you have ZERO ground to stand on when doing so. You don't know anything about me, because I haven't TOLD you anything. Not ever. Regardless, my point isn't that anybody is WRONG about Roy. My point is that EVERY SINGLE TALKBACK HAS MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THERE BEING NO OBIT. There is a CONTACT button right up there at the top. Click on it and request somebody do an obit. Please, all of you. Because those are the people who need to know your pissed off about it, not us. Maybe then you'll get your obit and you can stop posting it in every single talkback. And I'm NOT being insensitive, either. The first time it was announced in a talkback that he had died I said, "RIP Roy". I've said something to that affect several times since. Gah! Never mind.
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Well, yes, I suppose he either read it somewhere, or had someone tell him about it. Like, what are you getting at?
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WHERE IS AICN'S ROY DISNEY OBIT?!
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Dec 17, 2009 10:16:12 PM CST
And fuck you Jaka. If you knew or cared ANYTHING about...
by skyway moaters
... feature animation you wouldn't spout such ignorant hateful bullshit. Do you think "cartoons are for kids"? Why are you posting in a "Shrek" thread then? You need to STFU about a man who accomplished more in his life than you will ever aspire to.
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Wouldn't that be funny..
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I think it would be fruitless to send him one requesting an obit for Roy. Better to publicly complain so others can see how little he actually does for his baby nowadays, in my opinion.
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The dime bag of catnip on Puss n' Boots and his statement of "Uh, that's not mine" was pretty fucking funny. Other then that, it was rather meh.
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just sayin'
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I liked Shrek a lot, but I haven't watched it in years. I think it would be very dated were I to watch it today. Shrek 2 was crap. I found it too cynical and some of the humor a little too mature for a kid's movie. Shrek 3 (or whatever it was called) should be prescribed for insomnia. I remember hearing Justin Timberlake's awful voice acting and wasn't there a basketball game in it somewhere? Did that happen or was I having a fever dream while suffering through it? This 4th one looks like more of the same crap. I will avoid it as I did Pirates 3. Blechhh.
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thanks for the reply dude. I get that it's annoying when it goes on ad infinitum in every TB, especially when those TBs are populated by the same people. Having said that though, I also totally get TBers doing it because Harry seems like he hardly ever answers a direct/contact - Dvader's got a point as we've had over a decade of "Harry I emailed you ages ago"!! But yeah it makes more seemingly redundant stuff to wade through.
Remember though we're probably a couple of the very few that bother to read more than the three posts before their own. I posted the same frustrated thing in both LOTR threads it's so ridiculous these days. Like they've got time to sit on the net but holy crap not the time to read other responses directly concerning their own point or question... ah, I loves these crazy internets! ;) -
Props to Kung Fu Panda. That was great. I really liked Over the Hedge too, but Pixar has got it all over Dreamworks. Even Pixar's worst movie, Cars, is a sight better than most of Dreamwork's stuff. And don't get me started on the Ice Age movies. Pixar movies have souls to them. Dreamworks' movies seem to be solely for profit, like the awful direct to video/DVD Disney trash.
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I meant Future Help. Sorry.
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was the only moment that I giggled (maybe it was because I just had a Pilsner Urquell?)
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Dec 18, 2009 12:56:30 AM CST
At the risk of being a typical TBer and posting something
by white_vader
redundant, this is my I toldja so! post. I loathed the first Shrek for so many reasons. It just doesn't hold together or make sense in so many ways and seemed to attract all those dolts that thought Antz was great. Hey! Woody Allen is a nerdy ant! Hey! Stallone is a -get this- muscled ant! Which is funny and novelty for all of five minutes. And you only get that for those five minutes if you know who Allen and Stallone are and what their baggage is. Cutting out much of the audience. Then there's the rest of the movie.
And Shrek. Ah, shrek, let me count the ways... even APART from the whole fucking pop-culture/4th wall stuff. I love pop culture infused stuff like say, the Simpsons, so I'm not just bagging it out of hand. A good analogy here IS Pixar. References aplenty, but even if a kid (not saying they're aimed at kids, bear with me) doesn't know who Darth Vader is (hey, I said bear with me!), they totally get Buzz's breathing in the suit - he's an astronaut! The double whammy with the Vader (regulated breathing, even if it is from scuba gear) joke is icing on the cake and ratchets up the enjoyment. Same with the Indy boulder moment. The internal logic is still sound, whether you've seen Raiders or not. That globe and raining thumbtacks is funny and appropriate. Back to Shrek, we're in a world (in a worrlllldddd...) where the big thing is that the bad guy hates fairy tale characters. WHY does he loathe them so? And even if the answer is the lowest common denominator of "because he's the bad guy", why the fuck does he live in a freaking castle with more of these characters and modeled on bloody Disneyland? Sorry, I'm being disingenuous and rhetorical. The real/true reason is because it's all a jab and injoke between Katzenberg and Eisner. Cinematic name-calling. And nothing really to do with story. Now how many people do you think got THAT pop-culture reference?! Not to mention the typical "if it's not American, it doesn't matter" bullshit. We have a movie that not only references other films with jokes that don't work on both levels, but it references radio and television ADS, for Christ's sake! And American ones which not even the rest of the American media-soaked world would have got then. And even those had a limited lifespan. I said at the time it came out (which I could probably find if this site wasn't such a mess) that in five to ten, most of those things would fall away and what we'd be left with is bizarre stuff like kung-fu forest fights (forget the Matrix bit) and I'm trying to remember now, but wasn't there like a french Robin Hood guy or something? That could just be my crankiness twisting things, cause it sure doesn't make sense. Not to mention Eddie's laboured tic-tac jokes (how many movies has he used that in now? He even did it in Mulan I think), the bizarrely inappropriate and un-integrated "Hallelujah" and so on. Even the production design sucks, and it's one of those movies where there seems to be one of everything rather than a whole world. On top of all that, ironically it carries the same "it's not what's on the outside" on-the-nose theme that every DISNEY movie of the previous decade or two had pushed. Gah. Pop-culture jokes where all there was. I even rented it to listen to the directors' commentary ad the morons pretty much ADMITTED there was no real story basis for a lot of that shit. Fuckwad indeed. And no, I admit I didn't watch number 3. Even the muffin man thing is more from the American ads than the English nursery rhyme.
And Alientoast, the catnip/dimebag thing is a good example. To a younger audience, it makes no sense. Why does a cat disown catnip? Even WITH a drug analogy it's still faulty logic! At least when Pixar say all audiences/family, they mean it, and it's not just a euphemism for little kids' film. Sure, they're not infallible, but at least they're aiming for timelessness and solid story points.
Actually Jaka, sometimes pop-culture jokes can be funny out of their original context. Classic Looney Tunes still endures, and they're another example where appropriate tone and good double-joke writing can succeed. It just makes sense to us that Bronx accents are still de rigueur or at least a standard for funny animals, the swagger of a tiny criminal with Edward G Robinson's voice just seems right. So does a sexually aggressive character with Mae West's seduction voice (Jessica Rabbit). Homer Simpson didn't invent D'oh! and even I can't remember the name of the comedian, but hell, it's right all right. Peter Lorre worms and ghouls, and so on and so forth. And even though no-one really knows what shave and a haircut or "my Momma done told me" or any number of other referenced musical cues mean these days, they're still ubiquitous because they hit the nail on the fucking head!
Other pop-culture stuff I like: Galaxy Quest. You don't have to know a fucking thing about Star Trek to get all that stuff,. again because it works on both levels. The "red shirt" thing is funny either way (and yes, the fact that it's Rockwell doesn't hurt it). And sorry myopic Comic fans, the black motorcycle gear/yellow tights gag in X-Men works for both audiences. At the SAME TIME. Aaaaanyway. You complete me. ;)
But the similar subject of good catchphrases and why the greatest one ever (I'll be back) ISN'T a 'catchphrase' is something for another time, or maybe the Iron Man TB.
I've just realised another reason for being lenient with the Roy stuff, Jaka. TBs are where we come to vent and whinge, safely and anonymously. Hooray!
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His character design was really great. His. Too bad pretty much every other character's look sucked arse and doesn't seem to have improved.
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will frighten people who are fans of this into demanding more. I'm not one of them. Like Banderas as Puss, though.
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of course I haven't seen it in a long time so for all I know it could be dated, I saw the second one in theaters and had a good time, but again I haven't re-watched it since then, but the third did not interest me at all so I skipped it, I can't say I'm really interested in this fourth one either
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The gingerbread man scene is hilarious. I dont live in the us and I got the joke about farquawd. Because i had interest in media and the production process and what goes on behind the scenes of hollywood films. the only thing that Katzenberg is interested in is making money.
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or men who invented...doh. One was a fat chubby comic who worked on a now long defunct tv show called Crackejackerr. the other one was a comic worked with Laurel and Hardy and maybe related to Dan Castelleneta.
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are now officially the highest animated voice artists in history. Cameron Diaz, Mike Myers, Eddie Murphy all got pay checks of 20 million dollars each. For the next three movies they got 25 million each. It is the essentially the biggest Voice contract deal in the history of animation.
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Finlayson or something was the comedian's name. Phew!
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peter glaze. Peter glaze and don Mcclean on that show were iconic.
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I think she was English. Hafta do another net search.
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I liked it and chuckled
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Sorry
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Still classic, daughter loves it, and not as pop culturey as you think. (that would be Shrek II) Mostly it skewers ageless fairy tales.Fiona is way more interesting as a human.
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True love can come to anyone... as long as they look the same as you.
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Shrek and Fiona had already fallen for each other before she got perma-ogre'd. I like what the movie has to say about "beauty"; it makes its point a lot more effectively than "Beauty and the Beast" where Belle falls for the HIDEOUS BEAST and is rewarded by having the guy turn into Fabio at the end. So much for inner beauty I guess.
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Maybe you need to be a cat-person to find that gag funny though. I once had a cat who would patiently sit and watch as the household mouse came out of its hole and munched away on her catfood.
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down the pop culture gags, I'll give it a watch.
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...classic Looney Tunes, I would agree, are mostly still funny. But, imo, that's because they were so near perfect in every way. I own the first five Golden Collection sets and my nephew loves them. However, I am 100% certain that he doesn't understand the pop culture parodies, or just plain commentaries of the times those works of art were created in.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/pixarvsdreamworks.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/pixvsdrm (TinyUrl'd link above)
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Shrek 1 was great. You know it, I know it. It was original and funny.Shrek 2 was a great time at the theater. I haven't watched Shrek 2 recently to see if it still holds up, but it was damn funny when I watched it back in the day. One of the funniest moments at the theater in a couple years.I don't know if I saw Shrek 3 or not, but something about it struck me as lame. And now this looks sort of lame too.
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Fact.
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"So much for inner beauty"?! What don't you understand? The inner beauty DOES come out, literally! It's not exactly unclear. But then, it sounds like you're referencing the Disney cartoon, not the Cocteau flick. Or God forbid, the book. But I guess you're deranged, because you think Shrek makes the point better than B & the B. Ho-lee crap.
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When I made the point about Looney Tunes, I was trying to say that YOU and I both don't get all the riffs either, but that because the jokes still work in context of the story and are tonally true to the characters, we just assume it's part of their personality. So even if we don't get the reference, we still get the joke, which wouldn't happen if it hadn't been written/drawn to work on both levels. Remember, we're the "kids these days" compared to that old stuff(hell our parents are too!). And not only that, we think of some of these things as consistent character traits, which is the real triumph where appropriation of pop-culture tropes is concerned. I bet most people didn't know Yosemite Sam was based on Friz Freleng, but like I say, it doesn't matter, that's Sam. The accent, the nature, the old-fashioned expressions/euphemisms, it's all consistent anyway. Same for Slesinger and Porky. Speaking of whom, there are also other things like speech impediments which are basically shorthand for a flawed character (in the world of cartoon analogies), but it's so well integrated we don't even question it and can do Sylvester, Porky and Daffy without thinking. You can bet that true voice artists like Blanc and Foray would be a bit appalled at the Shrek actors making all that dough. And I can see why it gets Kenny and West's goat, even if I can see a director's viewpoint of casting the same way as anything else.
Having said that, I don't think people watch them so much anymore (mainly due to Cartoon Network and the like being such shitty programmers), as Warner Bros. consumer products keep shitting on their own characters for a fast buck. I walked into a store once and saw the Road Runner draped with pearls and a handbag! WTF?! I guess the suits thought via their own hangups that maybe the whole Coyote relentlessly pursuing him was like gay stalking or something. The worst one though is Tweety. Never mind that no-one seems to know that similar to Wile-E, Tweety is short for, or a speech impediment pronounced version of Sweety-Pie. And why? Because Sweety/Tweety is the biggest little fucker in the whole Looney Tunes canon! He's an ugly, patronising, calculating little asshole! Sylvester is just a slave to his instincts, just trying to be a regular cat and basically Daffy without the greed and malice, and notice in the Tweety ones more than elsewhere, he's not as calculating himself or handwringing. But Tweety is so fucking manipulative of everyone arond him, including kindly old Granny. BUT, they've distanced the character from the material to create a merchandising market for girls. The worst thing is, it worked! I used to do a lot of work for these turkeys, nad it became a bit like cigarette ads to me. White Vader gotta eat, but on the other hand I was endlessly educating them on the correct use (characteristics, traits and appropriate situations) of characters they knew nothing about. And holy moly, back to cartoon network. The conversations I had with WB about pushing Powerpuff girls as the next big thing and them arguing no, that wasn't very appealing and CatDog was the big one for them while also trying to convince me that Space Jam would be enormous and looked incredible and me telling them even at that early stage it would fail because Looney Tunes is not Disney-style linear feature storytelling. It's Vaudeville, sketch-based humour. But hey, they knew better apparently. Oh and that Pokémon would never catch on because the name was too weird and hard to pronounce. Jesus.
And yeah, you gotta love those collections. Had 'em on laserdisc too (the Turner chronologically arranged ones) and worth every penny. Even if I don't believe some of those electric blues were around as cell paint colours in the 40s.
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On the whole Sweety-pie thing, I meant to say he's so horrible, even his NAME is sarcastic! And in keeping with the double joke (tweet like a bird and sweet) that was used even in the pun-ish titles of the cartoons themselves. The multiple meanings are everywhere in LT.
Another example of appropriation turning into a classic attributed to the appropriator is Scott's "Powerhouse" - don't know how I could possibly have missed that! -
then you're wasting your time.
That's why no one can remember them. Its also why everyone laughs so hard the whole way through. Watch it when you're not and you'll be bored as hell. -
Puss in Boots always makes me smile - whatever happened to the mooted spinoff movie about him?
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This movie looks like it will blow just like all the reast of dreamworks movies before and after they suck so bad they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as pixar and as for Shrek beating out Monsters inc for the oscar I wonder if people who voted are thinking what the F was I thinking voting such trash over a masterpiece.
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If it werent for Shrek we wouldnt have as much excellent "adult humour" in this medium........errrrr ok lets just wait and see what great innovations this new installment brings eh?
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Right. I guess you don't see much animation then, or even watch television. Sure we're bitching and cynical, but we've got good reason for it. It's like you're one of the millions that think comedy in horror started with Scream.
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