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A couple new Alice In Wonderland trailers surface and they look really damn good!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. It's not just me, right? This new trailer for Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND looks pretty damn great, doesn't it? Maybe it's because I'm up at 5:30 in the morning after a whirlwind day of Sundance planning, interviews and cappin' fools on Call of Duty, but when I watched the below trailer this movie shot up from "I'm interested" to "I can't wait to see this movie!" on my mental 2010 anticipation chart.
I mean, I like that it's not the same Alice in Wonderland story we've seen a half a billion times, I like how freaky it looks and the crazy CG seems to actually fit the story for once.
Have a look:
Cool, right? I'm not going crazy here, am I? (Look who I'm asking...)
Now, after some technical double-takes I've found out that's the new UK trailer... The new US trailer was released as well. You can watch it in Quicktime by clicking here. I like the UK one a little better, but my sentiments still stand.
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I mean a day of Bond movies??? Seriously?
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i thought i was going mad
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It won't let me watch it! What the fuck else am I supposed to do when im in work all day??
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don't love all the cgi - just feels wrong for alice in wonderland. maybe it's jut sme
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but was hoping for a weirder looking Cheshire cat
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Fuck, hold on. That wasn't the trailer I watched... Must have clicked a wrong button somewhere...
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Not sold on the Queen of Hearts though. She looks like she enabled a big head cheat.
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Heh. I thought There was a mix up on this post date.
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You can keep your job Quint... FOR NOW. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!
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The UK trailer embedded and the new US trailer linked. Both new, not the teaser I somehow managed to embed before.
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Dec 16, 2009 5:43:44 AM CST
SO,,,, IT'S ACTUALLY A SEQUEL TO THE BOOK?
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
INTERESTING.
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I CAN wait for this film.
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How about a link to where it originated. Lately I've not been able to see certain videos on this site (and a few others including myspace). Would someone tell me what I need to do to correct this.
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the complete lack of subtlety in burton's aesthetic is kinda getting a little old isn't it? there really isn't much variation in his work, it's getting a little self indulgent. i'll grant that it's well cast, but again, enough with the burton/depp schtick. he should stretch his legs with a new leading man. perhaps use the nervous energy that dicaprio seems to have, or even better: Joseph Gordon-Levitt
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...because this trailer has made the project officially amazing in my book. Lots of CGI but Burton can handle FX, so it should be a treat. Alice in Wonderland is my favorite classic Disney and this looks like a fine live-action translation... if proverbially too dark for kids as Burton's at the helm. But I have to ask: why the gap in Johnny Depp's teeth?
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with Where The Wild Things Are and Pans Labyrinth.
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HBC summons the pig.
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Still not exited.
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That's why I'm seeing the movie. Johnny Depp, 3D, whatever. Nothing's better than a good pig. Also, I'm glad it's not a straight adaptation/remake.
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...apart from the Cheshire Cat. As for the special effects, the rabbit looks really good, but the cat still looks like a CGI mess. And is the Mad Hatter a prominent character in this, or do they just put all the Johnny Depp scenes in the trailer?
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Dec 16, 2009 6:31:47 AM CST
I dunno. It deserves to be seen but it has to prove to be good
by dogsoup
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This looks absolutely incredible. The CGI makes the film look ten times better and is not distracting at all. I like that Tim is putting his own spin on it.
As far as the Syfy adaptation, I refused to watch it because of what one of the stars said in an interview. I am paraphrasing, but she said something along the times of that kids today probably have never read or seen the old Disney movies of Alice in Wonderland. I say 95% of people know the story of Alice in Wonderland. She shouldn't have made a stupid assumption like that. -
Forgot to add.. So that was the reason kids would except the hack job that did to the story on SyFy
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Alice blindfolded and gagged, in a black thong and ripped stockings and high-heel boots. Hard NC-17 rating. Awesome.
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Elijah Wood in most of those scenes. I'm not sure how I feel about this film. I don't see the point, kids wont like the tone of it and adults will be bored to tears by the age old Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking glass story, wont they?Call me crazy but I am not a fan of Tim Burton, he makes things a lot darker than they need to be most of the time. The visuals in this look excellent though and it seems that this world really suits the tone he has set. Hopefully
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it's still just putting a dress on a pig.
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for the next three years thanks to Cameron. This might force some of the on coming crap hiding behind CGI to resort back to actual story telling or face an early grave.
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We're boiling with anticipation on the eve of this epic and no where to yip yap about it.
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Great to see Burtons style all over this. No better director for this choice!!!! And holy crap Depp, Depp just BLEEDS the Mad Hatter!
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Everything else is just a toy.
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sucks. it's best described as spastic, just like it's fans.
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By Jeff Noon.
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Dec 16, 2009 7:15:13 AM CST
Johnny Depp looks scarily like Elijah Wood in this.
by brock landers baby
Why didn't they just get....Elijah Wood then?
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I agree, and people think Burton is dark? I still have nightmares of that rabbit eating his own stuffing
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His talent and imagination are legend.
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And The White Queen looks beyond delicious!
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Reminded me a bit of Beetlejuice... I'm guessing Elfman's doing the score for this too yeah?
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predictable, childish, boring...yes
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Alice returns to Narnia to fight the bad rulers of her Wonderland.
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They are not getting my money!!!
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Which I don't, generally (Pee Wee and Big Fish very notable exceptions)
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most of his films from this decade haven't done it for me. Sleepy Hollow in '99 was the last Burton movie where I really had fun. Big Fish was good, but I have no desire to rewatch it like I do with his other great movies. And Mars Attacks is Burton's most underrated film. That movie is comedy gold.
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I didn't hate it when i found out he wasn't doing the book - I was just dissapointed. But now I've seen the trailer, can you say 'contrived adventure story'? WTF is she doing in armour?
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To me, it really looks like the same old from Mr Burton. I know his same old is still fairly interesting, but he has been on an extremely unenjoyable few years of directing in my opinion, and his style is just...getting tiresome. Do something different man. It's hard to tell if it this will be actually good or not...but overall I'm just sick of the Tim Burton thing I guess. Why can't he ever put his talents to the test and make a straightforward story? Just one time in his entire career? Big Fish was his last really great movie, and thats because it eschewed, for the most part at least, most of his gothic style to suit the story. It was very Tim Burton, but not typical Burton. His Willy Wonka was trash.
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...the world does not revolve around an over-hyped Cameron "event", that's why.Personally, I could watch Depp do his lonny-toon-in-crazy-costumes act all day long... but I agree with the complaint that it's not a new trick anymore. That being said, I do love me some Depp.I also agree with complaints about the Cheshire cat. That character could be SO EFFING COOL, turning him into the smoke monster from Lost is not impressive.
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I loved Elfman's work in FORBIDDEN ZONE and with Oingo Boingo, but while his initial film scores were quite good, everything he's done since all sounds the same to me. I say give the ALICE soundtrack to the Residents!
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still looks pretty cool though
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All of this actually does. I can't help but to admire Burtons visual style, despite the fact that he sometimes lets his style go before the substance.
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...nothin in this movie interests me...esp not a gap-toothed depp...but good to see "Alice" gettin some work, saw her on In Therapy or whatever and she acted pretty good in it...but na, not interested in this and most likely not a Burton film ever again...unless he makes another Batman...Returns is top 3 Batman films of all time (behind Phantasm and Dark Knight)...
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I know he's the biggest star in the movie, but it's Alice's story, can't the focus be on her, even in the trailer??
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Elfman's score for The Wolfman was incredible, really dark and gothic, but now we'll never know.
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With that crap accent
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He doesn't get to them.
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Dec 16, 2009 8:58:15 AM CST
I like Burton when he's working with stagy, deliberately fake...
by flickapoo
...effects. I like it when it looks as though his real actors have somehow stumbled into stop-motion land...BEETLE JUICE did it best I suppose.So I'll see this, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but I suspect that all the fancy CG is undercutting what is cool about Burton in the first place.
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. . . to have not watched any previous film versions of this? Like he did w/ Willie Wonka?
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was a respected, Oscar nominated actress? Me neither.
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that looks pretty good
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if Burton had just called it "Return to Wonderland". The reason its not the same old story, Quint, is because its a sequel. But you wouldn't know it from the stupid title. Still looks cool. maybe psychedelia will be hip again. And then with this new Alice movie out of the way: LETS FINALLY GET THE DARK SHADOWS MOVIE!!!!
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The basic premise seems a bit too close--Alice returns to Wonderland as an adult some 10 years later (or whatever; she was supposed to be around 14 or so in the original, I believe) but, judging from the trailer, doesn't seem to remember her earlier adventures.
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In the past 2 years. This is too little too late.
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Uggh, what a piece of crap.
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While Burton's works don't have lasting power for me in recent history, I actually do appreciate his expressions of 'the dark side'...compared to what passes ostensibly as 'children's fare' these days...kids are coddled to the max by ADHD shlockfests of nonsense...shit was 'scary' to me back in the day (Ghostbusters, Flight of the Navigator, ad nauseam) while also upholding wonder and an inability to turn it off...it 'launched' me forward into newer ways of knowing...from my take, only Pixar really pushes that...though they're not as overtly 'dark'
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even when its bad (Mars Attacks, Charlie) something about his films gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. All you Burton haters can suck it.
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The other bloke from Little Britain.
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...Hook was cool...RU-FEE-O!
...and I knew Depp looked like some famous pop/rock star (cuz he doesnt really act, he just pretends to be that said pop/rock star in the movie) but I couldnt place my hand on it...what next, he gonna model his character after LADY GAGA? -
Now THAT I'll go see. Especially since Burton seems to be the only director not caving in to the latest fad of shaking the camera in every shot. Plus, CGI done well, and in this context, makes sense to me. And there's Christopher Lee as the Jabberwock. Cool. Cool. Cool.
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I am sure people who are into this particular mythology will love it, but I could skip it just as well.
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I despise the look of this. Maybe I just don't "get it".
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That does look fun and different. I vote "yes".
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...when Christopher Lee says that if Charlie leaves he won't be there when Charlie get's back...and then Charlie comes home and the row house is gone...like a missing tooth.Perfect.
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Has that cock-smoker ever played a character that hasn't made me want to pluck my eyes out of my skull? Sigh.
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Dec 16, 2009 9:39:50 AM CST
That actually does look pretty good, and fitting for Burton's cr
by br1947
Most of Burton's stuff is just weird for weirdness sake, but it looks like it really fits the story with this, looking forward to it
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and i'm usually pretty open minded about films. hell avatar looks boring and crappy too. meh...
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Dec 16, 2009 9:43:31 AM CST
Oh yeah, definitely watch the HD version of the YouTube link.
by royston lodge
Download it via keep-tube.com if you have to.
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Tron. Prince of Persia too - very cool/interesting Disney vibe. I hope the movies live up to the trailers... When do we get to see the full length Tron trailer?
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Looks like they didn't need much CGI for that effect. OH! ZING!
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The best Alice film is 1985's DREAMCHILD, where an elderly Alice is still haunted by the grotesque world created for her by a creepy repressed pedophile.
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Bummer. Used to like Burton...
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Dec 16, 2009 10:00:29 AM CST
I just watched the HD version again, and I have one word...
by royston lodge
JABBERWOCKY!!!!
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...Alice makes me feel kinda funny in my pants.
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I'm there. Really haven't got a single complaint about that trailer.
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is by far and without a doubt ED WOOD. It's the only Burton movie where I've actually given a shit about the characters and story, probably because it's the only Burton movie where the characters and story are interesting.
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Considering Depp is the only actor named in the trailer...yeah, I don't like that either.
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...if ya feel funny in the pants, watch her on In Therapy...I think she (a teen) was diddlin her gymnast coach...hijinks ensue!
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Loved Sweeney Todd, but all his other films are the same: million dollar production design with a two dollar script. The changes here making the Mad Hatter some kind of Obi Wan for Alice to overtake the Queen smacks of being cooked up in a development meeting after Depp agreed to the role.
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Damn, that is the best trailer I have seen of ANY film in ages. I was interested in this movie before, but now I am stoked. Screw Avatar (if Gargamel ain't in it, I'm not watching) THIS FUCKING ROCKS. Can't wait.
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especially in the posters.
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...showed up... I'm solidly ready for this.
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Yes, Ed Wood, by a country mile, is Burton's best film. I nearly cried when Landau won the Oscar for his Bela. A stand-out performance in a movie full of them.
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on the contrary. I think its one of his very best. big fish was forrest Gump in all but name.
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Dec 16, 2009 10:40:29 AM CST
The Cheshire Cat is the only part that disappoints me.
by royston lodge
The look is a little too conventional. I was looking forward to seeing Burton do something innovative with that wittle putty-tat.
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masterpiece. Sweeney todd left me cold.
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Burton's version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was excellent. Depp's best performance is in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
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You fuckers know who you are.
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He should have kept the identity of the Horseman a secret.
Is he really a ghost, or is it just a hoax? He shouldn't have answered the question. He should have left it ambiguous.
If the theme of the movie had been about Ichabod Crane's faith in reason and science being tested in the face of events he cannot fully explain, but also providing NO proof that anything supernatural was actually going on, then it could have been a great movie. -
This is the first Burton film in quite a while that looks interesting to me. His art direction is great (if cut from the same cloth every time) but his directing is turgid and too light on story. Favorites are Pee Wee, Beetlejuice, Scissorhands and Ed Wood. Everything else is too much style over substance. IMHO.
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it was based on a series of collector's cards sold with plaster "bubble gum". Too bad they couldn't include the giant insect armies, though.
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...from being a rather conventional "Burton" film. So much of the art direction, the make-up, set design felt way too familiar.
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Sorta like Return to Oz, but directed by Tim Burton instead of Walter Murch. Which means this should be even more screwed up, but in a good way hopefully.
I like Dark Disney, and between this, Christmas Carol (Tales of the Crypt for kids), and Tron Legacy, Dark Disney is back in spades. It's the mid-to-late 80s all over again! Like Black Cauldron and Mouse Detective but good this time. -
Yeah, that killed Sleepy Hollow for me, too. It just seemed like a huge cop-out
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I know he hated working there but did he leave on bad terms?
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that brought Depps character to Sleepy Hollow instead of Depp himself. I mean he isn't a forensic detective in the original story, obviously. And the headless horseman kills Ichabod. Worst of all, you have this craven coward as the hero. Very annoying.Otherwise I like the movie, except that by the beginning of the final act I'm ready for it to be over. Once the climactic plot twist was revealed the movie should have been five minutes away from ending.
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It's just that Burton didn't run with the character nearly enough.
For example, do they run The Murdock Mysteries on American tv? It's a fairly conventional police procedural drama/CSI knock-off, except that it takes place in 19th century Toronto. It's really kinda neat. There was one episode where they talk about the guy who INVENTED ballistics testing. In another episode there's a guest appearance from Arthur Conan Doyle, during his full-on believing-in-fortune-tellers days. Lots of episodes deal with drugs, and hookers and the seamy underbelly, and shit like that.
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I feel exactly the opposite. I've liked Depp and Burton separately very much. I've never liked them together (and that includes Scissorhands). I even loved Ed Wood but hated Depp's overly-hammy performance.
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No, Ichabod's fate is left unknown in the original story.
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Dec 16, 2009 11:24:57 AM CST
I was just talking about Depp playing a cowardly ninny
by castlemonster
But maybe I'm wrong about that. I suppose it gives the character a sort of depth.
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is that Touchstone pictures is a disney company. it is not walt Disney pictures. Dimension pictures is a walt disney company as is Miramax. or maybe he buried the Hatchet.
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Well, they never hear from him, again. It's implied, I think.
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I think it's interesting that this is Burton's first HD movie and how fast it was shot for such a large scale movie.
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Looks like any other nonsense Tim Burton makes.
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Dec 16, 2009 11:32:17 AM CST
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BURTON/DEPP'S DARK SHADOWS......
by tehcreepythinman
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Dec 16, 2009 11:32:18 AM CST
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BURTON/DEPP'S DARK SHADOWS......
by tehcreepythinman
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Dec 16, 2009 11:32:20 AM CST
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO BURTON/DEPP'S DARK SHADOWS......
by tehcreepythinman
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the weinsteins bros. own that company now.
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He's only written ONE original story/film that hasn't burned out by the 3rd act (Ed Wood)...Seriously, what hasnt this ass clown "adapted"
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It just never really came together for me. Wacky in some parts, not wacky enough in others, too self-conscious in some parts, I dunno... just didn't gel. And I really, really wanted it to.
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all over their face in this movie? Where does that come from?And keep Depp the hell away from Dark Shadows.
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Anyway, the only good thing about the recent vampire craze is that we'll get a kickass vampire movie from Burton and Depp. I just hope they go for a HARD R RATING!
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The Caterpillar is in it and Alan Rickman's playing him, to boot.
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Weird, dark, gothic interpretations of fantasy. This is a pitch right down his power lane, so if he can keep his actors in check (the girlfriend and Depp) and not allow them to chew too much scenery, there's every reason to believe this will be a top-notch flick.
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Firstly, Burton did NOT write ED WOOD. It was scripted by Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski who also wrote The People Vs. Larry Flynt and Man on the Moon. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with Burton being an adaptor of previously existing work especially if it means fucking great movies like Sweeney Todd. Coppola adapted The Godfather and Scorsese’s best films, Taxi Driver/RagingBull/Goodfellas, were scripted by other people. Director’s don’t work in a vacuum and the smart ones look for good material that they can shape with the right collaborators. The auteur theory is bullshit IMHO.
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Heh heh heh...
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i'm sure ther will be a lot of merchandise made. so i wonder if they will make girl's panties with "eat me" written on them. that could be fun.
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That's when I don't like him. He's good at one of those at a time but overdoes it when they're all together. Pee Wee was excellent -- surreal, not (overtly) dark or gothic. Ed Wood -- dark, not surreal or gothic. Big Fish -- surreal, not dark or gothic. Batman -- well, alright, that one has it all, but that's the one exception.
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Dec 16, 2009 11:55:02 AM CST
I WOULD FUCKING KILL TO SEE ANOTHER BEETLEJUICE MOVIE BUT.......
by tehcreepythinman
That movie is very special to me and I worry that it would end up being a shit sequel like Big Top Pee-Wee and Elvira's Haunted Hills. Better to leave it alone (same thing for Roger Rabbit) unless they could do something amazing.
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Cliff Burton.
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Dec 16, 2009 11:55:55 AM CST
The Beetlejuice cartoon is good enough to tide me over.
by royston lodge
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She's legal now so FUCK YOU.
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The Tweedles look a little weak, and that opinion comes from just a few seconds of footage. Otherwise...Hells yeah! Totally agree with Quint. I wasn't sold before, not I'm actually anticipating a release date. I was most concerned about Bonham-Carter as the Red Queen, but that footage was great. And the scene with the pig, The Red Queen and Depp doing the Hatter laugh actually made ME laugh. Regarding "Burton this" or "Burton that", I just dig Burton. He doesn't always hit it out of the park, but I can't say he's made a film I find doesn't deserve to be watched. And usually they need to be watched multiple times to take in all the performances and scenery. I don't love Willie Wonka or Sleepy Hollow, but I sill watched them multiple times to just take it all in. I also absolutely love that you can tell a Burton film is a Burton film. It's something we respect and heap praise upon for classic directors; having a look or style of their own. But for some reason Burton gets endless crap for it. Makes no sense, really. It's not like his films aren't visually stunning, or that he doesn't get good performances out of his actors. I think it's just a personal taste thing. For the most part, either you dig him, or you don't.
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...when I mean NOW. Buggin' the craps outta me.
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She's said several times she doesn't know if she'll continue to do so after the Potter films. Her college career kind of lends to that thought. With the money they got for the last 3-4 films they'll be able to do whatever they want anyway.
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... do a buddy picture with Winny Cooper.
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No Mo-Cap, though. Which I'm beginning to think would be physically impossible for Zemeckis to do at this point.
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Dec 16, 2009 12:10:47 PM CST
FUCK JOSEPH GORDON LEVITT AND FUCK THE FUCKIN DIAZ BROTHERS!!!
by tehcreepythinman
I bury those cocaroaches! To me he's still the annoying little homo from 3rd Rock from the Sun.
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I think you mean CORALINE, yes?
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I think you mean CORALINE, yes?
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Dec 16, 2009 12:18:20 PM CST
NOW WE NEED VERHOVEN'S ADAPTATION OF ALAN MOORE'S LOST GIRLS!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Starring Emma Watson, Bonnie Wright and Evanna Lynch. WHAT? They're all legal now so FUCK YOU!!! STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M DEVIN FARACI!!!
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Dec 16, 2009 12:20:03 PM CST
BURTON SHOULD ADAPT MARK FROST'S THE LIST OF SEVEN!!!
by tehcreepythinman
That was a GREAT book!!!FACT!!!
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"Big Top Pee-Wee" again. Worst. Sequel. Ever.
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He's doing another live show in LA... I wonder if he's called Burton up about his new script...
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And it's in 3D too!
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As a huge Roald Dahl fan when I was a kid, and a big fan of the first Willy Wonka movie, I HATED Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Depp's Wonka was annoying, reduced to a molester-in-waiting. Completely ruined any magic or fun in the movie.
Sleepy Hollow, however, I enjoyed. I really liked the twist on the story and the interplay between magic and science (especially the "evil eye" part, which played on people's misconceptions about the mythology of magic). I actually liked that Crane was a "weak" cowardly city boy. Heroes don't always have to be strong and brave. And Christopher Walken makes any movie 10 times better :) -
But I think this will be Burton's biggest film since Batman Returns... or his biggest flop since Sleepy Hollow
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Looks like this is Alice's second trip to Wonderland, this time as an adult. So this is more of a sequel to Alice in Wonderland.
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Set in Puppetland. I'd kill to see Fisburne back as Cowboy Curtis. R.I.P. Phil Hartman . . .
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All frantic styling, nothing that would suggest it has the slightest substance or actual imagination to it. It's weird to make it some kind of revolution against the Red Queen. Does she hate their freedom? Its making a surreal experience way too literal and structured IMHO. But, maybe the trailer is misleading and its more interesting than it appears... I hope so.
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...was a featured player... so fucking sad not to have him around anymore.
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I actually saw that piece of shit at the theatre in 88, when I was 10, and I was crushed by how bad it was. I actually watched it again for the second time just last year because I wanted to see if it was as bad as I remember. It was. The thing about Pee-Wee and Elvira is that they’re such outrageous characters that in order for them to work you need to contrast them with normal society and that’s where the comedy comes from. Big Top Pee-Wee and Elvira’s Haunted Hills both failed in that regard.
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and was crushed as well. Putting that character on a farm was completely head-up-the-ass conceptually. Never saw either of the Elvira movies, though. Have to add her first to the queue...
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Dec 16, 2009 12:54:54 PM CST
PAUL REUBEN'S HAS SOME FUCKING NERVE SHOWING HIS FACE.......
by tehcreepythinman
Fucking idiot gets pinched for whacking off in a theatre then gets busted again for having kiddie porn a few years later. I’m surprised he hasn’t been beaten to death.
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Dec 16, 2009 12:56:33 PM CST
It's true... If Paul Reubens "pulls off" this "comeback..."
by harrycalder
...it'll be a miracle. He's been talking about it in one form or another for years.
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Dec 16, 2009 12:57:32 PM CST
HarryCalder, THE FIRST ELVIRA MOVIE IS AS GOOD AS.....
by tehcreepythinman
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure IMHO. If you like those then you should watch UHF (with Weird Al) and Return of the Killer Tomatoes. They all compliment each other nicely.
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In a word of rehashes and remakes this it's actually pretty exciting that this is a completely new story. Suddenly looking forward to this a lot more.
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and I've never seen UHF or any of the Killer Tomatoes movies. I'll check those out, too. (Cassandra Peterson was so goddamned hot, doing her valley-girl schtick...)
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Really? I seem to have missed that one. I thought it was just the dick-in-hand-in-public issue. Considering the location in which the incident took place, I never really thought it should have been as career ending as it was. Kiddie porn, on the other hand (no pun intended AT ALL), not sure I could forgive that one. Even now.
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...wasn't so much a brunette. Heh. She was pretty hot back in the day.
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Damn, dude, I'm WAY jealous. Funny women turn me to jello.
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Dec 16, 2009 1:05:03 PM CST
JOHN WATERS' ALICE IN WONDERLAND WOULD BE SOMETHING!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Imagine a Desperate Living era Waters making AIW with Divine as the White Queen, Edith Massey as Red Queen and Mink Stole as Alice!?! I think I just came.
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...committed his viscous crimes every day on my way to class...same time it happened too.The place closed down right after the...incident. It was OK to be a nudie theater in a strip mall, but not OK to have Pee-Wee touch his little fireman on the premises...go figure.My big claim to fame.
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Was fantastic. Whoever mentioned it - yes, that would be a kickass adaptation. It's a direct sequel that manages to be as feverish as the original but also work as hard sci-fi. It's been a while I should check it out again.And this does indeed look great.
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Dec 16, 2009 1:09:24 PM CST
Jaka, REUBEN'S CLAIMS IT WAS "EROTICA" WHICH JUST HAPPENED TO HA
by tehcreepythinman
Underage children in it. It happened in 2002 and is written about on Wikipedia. I remember seeing it on the news at the time as well.
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reference just got me… I might just need to lie down with some Advil.Also, am I the only one that thinks "Sweeney Todd" is one of Burton's best films?
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That is one interesting claim to fame. I would have hoped the place's business had skyrocketed (so to speak), with the publicity. Maybe renamed itself "P.W.'s Playhouse," or something.
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First of all, I love the books. So, that must be admitted. It also puts me in a good position to combat the vision of this film's screenwriter and director. Alright... The whole point of Wonderland is that it is nonsensical. This was Lewis Carroll's vision for the place, not mine. His aim was a place where there is no point to anyone's actions. So, if you have an Alice story where a Queen takes over Wonderland (Burton's vision) and you have other characters either joining her or fighting back, it totally ruins the Carroll's point of the story: which is absurdity, nonsense, etc.
Beyond that, the visuals look rather terrible. Not impressed at all. -
Can't wait for this. My most anticipated for 2010.
The cgi works for once. It's a alternate universe fantasy movie after all!
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Is she hideous? A bad actress? What?
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was approximately a hundred times better than Mistress of the Dark, which I consider thoroughly unwatchable garbage. But if you have never seen a Corman Poe movie, you wouldn't understand EHH.
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Dec 16, 2009 1:16:15 PM CST
YOU WANT TO SEE ALL OF CASSANDRA PETERSON'S NUDE PHOTOS?
by tehcreepythinman
Register on http://www.vintage-erotica-forum.com/ and type in her name. You'll get every fucking nude picture of her in existence and GOOD FUCKING DAMN WAS SHE HOT!!! The site is 100% legit, heavily moderated and they are virus free. I would not steer you wrong. Enjoy.
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Nothing about that trailer seemed compelling, beyond appealing to Burton diehards, of which, I am not.
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Geez. Just do a Yahoo image search, click on the first pic and close the preview pane at the top. There you go, all her pics. McAfee and Spyware Terminator safe.
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Dec 16, 2009 1:21:00 PM CST
blakindigo, SWEENEY IS BURTON'S 2ND BEST AFTER ED WOOD!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Bettlejuice is number 3 but The Nightmare Before Christmas would be number one except that Burton didn't technically Directed it. Still a masterpiece though while being my favorite Halloween AND Christmas movie.
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...and your business plan sounds foolproof...simpler, more prudish times I guess. That was back when a sex scandal ruined a career instead of launching it...
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...must differ from a lot of you (the above quote is a combination of many people, not a jab at any one person). I think it looks great, and nonsensical and kind of frightening. If you want Carroll's Alice (which I won in several versions, included annotated) then read the books, or watch the 27,687 versions that have already been filmed. Burton is making a Burton/Depp version of Alice In Wonderland. If that's not your thing, much respect. But again, personally, I think the above trailer looks incredible and I am not fully geeked to actually go see it in a theater filled with children that will hopefully be scared half out of their minds and changed for life.
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If you don't trust me, fine, but I'm telling you that it's the best site for nude photo's of virtually every woman you could possibly think of. They had some really obscure stuff that Cassandra Peterson did that even I never knew existed.
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...I THINK MY ADVICE WOULD PROVIDE MOST SANE PEOPLE WITH MORE THAN ENOUGH LOOKS AT CASANDRAS HAIRY SLIT!! IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL! YA KNOW!? lol
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Dec 16, 2009 1:29:04 PM CST
Castlemonster, I'VE SEEN ALL OF CORMAN'S POE MOVIES AND.....
by tehcreepythinman
Haunted Hills still sucks donkey dong. It was like taking Elvira and sticking her into Rocky Horror where she wouldn't be out of place and THAT is why EHH failed.
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http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=35634_HS-Hol92-Cassandra-CF-st_123_1075lo.jpg
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. . . for the theater incident. He should be ashamed for doing a Saturday morning show FOR KIDS in the first place.
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like everything Burton has done since Sleepy Hollow. CGI overload and what looks to be poorly designed 3D. Pass.
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...characters from alice in wonderland LAME TURD OF A MOVIE.
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Furthermore, I like that they’re going for a big LOTR feel for it since, as Voyageur described earlier, the story is nonsensical and meandering without any sort of real narrative drive to it. Here’s an idea. This is taking place in Victorian era Britain, right? They should have had Alice as a young woman being forced into a marriage. She runs away and falls into Wonderland. There she fights to save the land and by the end she gains the courage to refuse the pre-arranged marriage and becomes the inventor of the first condom thus freeing women from being enslaved by the seed of men.
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Dec 16, 2009 1:53:26 PM CST
the_shogun_gunslinger, I'M TIRED OF ELFMAN AS WELL.....
by tehcreepythinman
He used to be one of my favorite composers but he seemed to peak around 96-97 when he did Mission : Impossible, Mars Attacks, Men In Black and Good Will Hunting. All four of those scores were beautiful. Since then the best thing he’s done was the track Farewell from the first Spider-man movie. That piece of music, where Spidey is swinging through New York, is Elfman at his VERY BEST!!! Absolutely EPIC while his use of ethereal choir music to enhance the thunder is second to none. It’s ironic that Burton’s two best live action films, Ed Wood and Sweeney Todd, were scored by Howard Shore and Stephen Sondheim respectively.
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I just don't like his movies.
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Elfman was on fire with that…
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I'm amazed that it's taken Burton and Glover soo long to work together. "HEY TED WHERE THE HELLS COCKSCREW?"
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I think he just fires up his Mac and hits a few keys and VIOLA! A score is born. Pfft...
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The Batman theme, the Simpsons theme, Tales From the Crypt, even Pee Wee's Big Adventure. They all go up and down and up and down. The scores probably all look like the same sine wave.
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I guess I must have cocks on the brain. Better then in my mouth or ass though.
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is basically just talking out of their asses, and has obviously never heard the beautiful opening theme for Sommersby, the score for A Simple Plan, the electronica of Men in Black or the 50's style sci-fi theremin style of Mars Attacks. Yeah, that all sounds the same. Here's a tip, if you're going to critique something, at least know what you're talking about first.
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...than he's given credit for, but I'm not sure how you'd call his Men In Black score "electronica." Most of it is pretty orchestral, unless I'm missing something...
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And while I don't think all his scores sound exactly the same, they do all hit the same cues and make the watcher feel pretty much the same way emotionally. Which is why they sound the same to people. My two cents.
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...should lose his FUCKING JOB.
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Maybe not "Electronica", but there are definitely elements in there, especially in the opening theme and the opening chase scene.
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Great score.
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Burton hasnt made a genuinely good film in going on about 8 films now (and yeah Im including Big Fish in that, blow me) and he looks to be needlessly reinventing the wheel again just like he did with Planet of the Apes and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, two of the most unwatchable remakes ever made. Now he's turning Alice into some armor wearing.....what exactly? This looks like every insipid post LOTR fantasy film that come out int eh last ten years. No different than narnia, Golden COmpass, or Eragon. And moreover the CGI looks like ass, just terrible cartoony ass. Imagine how lush and gorgeous this would look with actual sets and costumes. Mark my words this is gonna be a train wreck.
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Regardless of whether those are old scores or not, his body of work contains alot of diversity. When people try to lump his career into the gothic Stalling Looney Tunes sound that made him famous, they just show their ignorance.I agree that Elfman's work has stumbled in quality for this decade (Spider-Man aside), but his work from the 80's and 90's is up there with the greats.
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Not scary or wonderous int eh least. Just by-the-numbers and almost overly literal. But Burton hasnt been dark since Sleepy Hollow. Ill never understand why morons think the Burton Chocolate Factory is darker than the original. Maybe lighting wise, but in EVERY other respect, from Wilders FAR superior Wonka on down the original is more twisted and subversive in every single way.
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...that distinguish his MiB score from other stuff. I must admit, some of his scores do blur together, a bit, (Batman, Dick Tracy, Nightbreed), but overall, Elfman is a great composer and his best compares with almost anyone else in the game.
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I agree, Elfman is a great composer. And seriously underrated.
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I just think the way he composes brings about the same feelings for the watcher, regardless of the actual placement of the notes. I hope that makes some sense. Because clearly, you can load up all his scores in the player of your choice and they don't all "sound the same". Some are similar, to be sure. But not "the same". However, I'd be willing to bet that a great many of the will leave you withe the same FEELING.
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I've been a huge Elfman fan since the Boingo days. I'm not dissing the guy at all.
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Nothing in that trailer looks the slightest little bit like either Narnia film. Sometimes you people just try to hard to hate. Especially when it's something that you haven't seen and would probably enjoy if you could open your mind at all.
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TO GET EXCITED... But I just cant. And I dont know why. I expected something a little less CGI than this. Not to mention i expected a little more TWISTED out of BURTON. Something more SLEEPY HOLLOW.
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The trailer features Alice in full fucking armor with weaponry standing behind a majestic white Queen and being part of a throng of soldiers who are clearly about to go into battle with an opposing throng of soldiers. Thats Narnia my friend, like it or not. What it isn't, is Alice in Wonderland.
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First of all, we now know that it's clearly not an adaptation of the Carroll stories. So that argument is kind of pointless. Second, I just re-watched the trailer and there is ZERO in there that reminds me of the Narnia films. The set design is different, the costumes are different, the lighting is different and the effects are different. By your logic every movie with a woman in armor or a queen dressed in white is the same as a Narnia film. I find that a pretty silly assumption. The queen in the Alice trailer looks nothing like the one in the Narnia films, either. To each their own, I suppose. But the constant, CONSTANT hate by people in these talkbacks based strictly on trailers has become monotonous and boring. There was a time when you actually had to see a film in it's entirety before you could express your hatred for everything about it. But not here at AICN. A few lines of dialogue and some quick edits and any film can be declared the biggest piece of shit since the last piece of shit. Like I said, it's silly.
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Dec 16, 2009 3:09:56 PM CST
IndustryKiller!, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT NARNIA WAS.....
by tehcreepythinman
A made by committee, piece of fucking shit, that had no vision. Now, Burton might not be Christopher Nolan but he definitely has style, as in evidence of AIW’s gorgeous design and photography, and you can’t dismiss his movies as being in the same catergory as Narnia and the Golden Compass although Burton has done his fair share of hackwork *cough*Planet of the Apes/Batman Returns*cough*.
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hate to break it too ya, but those pictures have been around a looong time. I remember holding them up with one hand when I was a kid back in the 80's. She was hot in those pictures though.
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Making movies then the Bay, Ratner and McG's of the world.
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Dec 16, 2009 3:14:32 PM CST
vin_diggler, I NEVER SAW THEM UNTIL TEH INTERWEBZ HAD THEM.....
by tehcreepythinman
Ceiling Cat bless the internet.
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Dec 16, 2009 3:21:13 PM CST
Reubens wasn't caught with kiddie porn
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
you idiots. He had a wank in a porn cinema. big deal! The kiddie porn rumour is just that. jesus some people are stupid.
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what was wrong with THE ACTUAL BOOKS?
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Dec 16, 2009 3:24:00 PM CST
Player_Two_has_entered_the_game, WIKIPEDIA PAUL REUBENS.....
by tehcreepythinman
Then get back to us.
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In fact, I quiet like them. But that story has been told (filmed) SOOOO many times. I'm actually more interested now that I know it will be about something different in Burton's version of the rabbit hole.
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should be a smash success.
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Global Governance Agenda” At Copenhagen
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WWW.PRISONPLANET.COM
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Dec 16, 2009 3:32:27 PM CST
tehcreepythinman, yep just done that!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
and it says "Kelly Bush, Reubens' personal representative at the time, said the description of the items was inaccurate and claimed the objects were "Rob Lowe's sex videotape and a few 30- to 100-year-old kitsch collectible images"and ..."The District Attorney looked at Reubens' collection and computer and found no grounds for bringing any felony charges against him"
and "In March 2004, child pornography charges were dropped"...so my comment stills tands. It's people like you that fuel such bullshit. Stop being such a troll. thanks. -
Never thought I'd write those words...
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was child porn. so you are both right.
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I like the look of everything but I don't see the point of making it a big epic battle movie, even if it is chess pieces and playing cards. I always liked the whimsy of the books, the way Alica just strolls through the place, says what she thinks and is curious about everything but not particularly interested.
I also don't see the point of making Alice older, I guess Burton couldn't be bothered working with any more kids after Charlie. -
...But the plot sounds REALLY familiar ("[Protaganist], you've got to save [fantasy setting]!"), especially in light of the brilliant but permanently sidelined American McGee ALICE, which this and that ridiculous SyFy bullshit is pretty much going to kill off forever...
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Dec 16, 2009 4:23:43 PM CST
2010 looks far more interesting than 2009 did at this point
by soylentmean
last year. Here's hoping the blockbuster tentpoles of 2010 bring the pain, unlike most of 2009's.
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Sweeney Todd was excellent. I like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory more each time I see it and the same goes for Big Fish. OK we're not talking the standards of Beetlejuice through Mars Attacks but they're still brilliant movies compared with 90% of the shit out there. Apes is the only real misstep. God it's fuck-awful.
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in that, what we are actually going to get is a sequel to a movie that wasn't actually made?
HAVING SAID ALL THAT... -
Any of you fuckers that lives out West knows this to be true...You'd still bang that fire crotch Cassandra into an early grave..and so would I.
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I know I'm gonna be in the minority of those who stand up for the SciFi min series Alice, but fuck the Hatter was awesome in it. I know it was cheesy and the effects were painfully bad at times, but I loved the hell outta the mini series.
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sounds familiar. You don't say.
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While I like some of TB's movies quite a bit more than others, the only one that truly sucked was Apes. So he's batting a very high percentage (for my taste).
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Wasn't excited about this at first, but warming up to it... Like someone said, Burton is at least worth one watch. The more people bitch about Burton, the more I respect him. Hell, there's a lot of his stuff, I can take or leave, but at least, it's distinctive enough to garner praise or hatred!
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saw a thing for that xbox live game Pain, she's in it. she did a promo thing dressed as Elvira and damn....58 be damned, i'd do whatever she asked. and i'd say the same even if i was still 15. lol
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I watched it all the way through, and I think my room mate only dug it really for that Mad Hatter dude. I thought Frewer did a pretty good job, but the whole thing was a mess, and Wonderland wasn't a non-sensical fun mess... it was a unrealized mish mash of incompleteness mess.
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http://www.apple .com/trailers/paramount/iron man/
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Lydia in the Netherworld=Alice in Wonderland
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Dec 16, 2009 7:27:11 PM CST
hmmm... the Cheshire Cat was definitely a missed opportunity
by antilife_equation
but aside from that, this film looks like the tits.
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Not as familiar as that tedious conspiracy bullshit you keep wasting space on an entertainment site with, because you think movie buffs are an easy touch with that Alex Jones horseshit.
That fat little toad probably bought a yacht with all the money you weak-minded paranoids have dumped in his lap just in the last year... -
I love Alice and Wonderland (the book), but it always bothered me how movies tried to combine Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass, so that everything turns into some weird mish-mash.
That being said, I actually like the way that this movie is doing it. And hey, it's not like the idea that Alice went back into Wonderland is so crazy since...that's exactly what happened in Through the Looking Glass. I like that this movie seems to be creating its own narrative too. And it has a Cast of Kings so...okay, yeah, I'm pretty fucking excited. -
and by "cloudy" I don't mean blurry or fuzzy. I mean "made of clouds". Get what I'm sayin'?
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I agree. I love Dreamchild! My opinion of this is reserved, because Burton lost his shine for me years ago. But my ass will be in the 3D IMAX seats.
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...there is are themes regarding losing/keeping your childhood, no Peter Pan, Wendy, Wild Boys, Captain Hook, pirates, crocodiles, oceans or ships.... I guess there could be clocks and flying people... so in that sense, it's exactly like Hook!
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Sarcasm is so totally lost when written like an illiterate 3rd grader. Siiiigh.
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yah, sue me.
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try reading some of the talk backs before making your unoriginal comment!
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two directors who tend to repeat themselves. The difference is, Burton made Ed Wood....
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I can be sued as well.
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I don't dig the red queen, or the cheshire cat...of course Depp will be great, he always is, but I'm just not feeling it. Didn't much Care for Charlie and the Chocolate factory either. I'd like to see Tim Burton do more Big Fish style stuff...
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I also enjoy that it looks like the March Hare is hopped up on a month-long caffeine binge and hasn't slept in ages, kinda like the picture I drew of him back in college for a literature class.
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It was about the best realistic, exact, CGI representation of that original drawing that accompanied the poem. I never thought it was possible to make the thing look real, especially with those eyestalks and giant, cartoonish, buckteeth, but I was proven wrong with Alice. Its really the only scene I saw and thus the only scene I liked.
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You didn't miss much. Alice was a lot like Tin Man. Good idea on paper, not so great execution. Don't know why I bothered watching. Looked cool, but kinda sucked, which we all kinda knew it would. What can I say, was hoping for the best. At least it wasn't as bad as that remake of the Prisoner. That was horrible. This at least looks like it could be interesting, even if not great, ala the okayish Wonka remake.
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That his most popular stuff is basically the same -- as I listed above, Simpsons, Crypt, Pee Wee. Bass line: BUM bum BUM bum BUM bum BUM bum. Melody just flows up and down the scale. Batman's opening also has that. And I'm sorry, Spider Man just sounds like Batman to me.
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see Helena Bonham Carter again, it will be too soon.
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LMAO, the best versions of both the character Alice and the land of Wonderland is BY FAR Lewis Carroll's. That's right, the original, and still the best. All cheap imitations pale in comparison. The man was truly a genius.
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just not good movies.
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Best single line of the year.
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It's too lurid and insane, and yet it's the same movie we've seen a million times before. Alice fights in a big CGI battle?? It's like they think they're improving on the original, but they're just helplessly repeating the eternal Hollywood template. It's like dumb is the new smart. Am I crazy? (Look who I'M asking...)
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Depps makeup is crap and CGI cats suck.
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