Dec. 15, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST
Awesome ending, there should have been a talkback for easily one of the best season finales of the year...
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST
FIST!! The new first, you heard it hear, er, fist
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST
Aside from the fact that American's love watching useless, shallow, stupid, rich people that contribute nothing to society. I guess that's what we all aspire to be, deep down inside.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST
There was a TB for Dexter. <p> I was unsure with elements of season 4, but now having seen all the episodes the themes combined excellently. Lithgow and Hall deserve something for their work. Seasons 1-4 of Dexter have all contributed something new to the mix and despite their individual flaws the whole body of work is excellent. <p> The news that the showrunner is leaving and a 24 guy is entering the fray doesn't exactly instill me with confidence... Seasons 1, 2, 4 and most of 5 = fantastic. 3 = ok. 6 was a parody of itself and 7, whilst more earnest, descended into formula and would have been doomed if not mostly for the strength of Sutherlands passion for the show. <p> The possibilities for Season 5 of Dexter are limitless - I hope they don't lose their unique flavour.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST
The Kardashians and "Santa Baby 2" made this list. I only watched Jenny McCarthy for the boob jiggle, and now it's all under wraps. Why bother?
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST
although the season was not very good. Dexter still has me in shock!
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST
Ah, I must've missed it, I take it all back! <br> Yeah, Phillips leaving and being replaced by Chip soneone-or-other from 24 doesn't fill me with joy either - 24's really gone off the boil since season 5. Still, there's a lot of ways they could go with Dexter now and, whilst it was shocking, Rita had become too whiny for my liking...!
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST
I wish I could go into the future, and see what Smallville's season ratings will be for their next 900 episodes. Because that's what I want. 900 more episodes. I am not being sarcastic. I want 900 more.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
I have up on this season early on - around the fourth episode. Hank has slowly lost all of his redeeming qualities. And the Moody charm turned from Hank's semi-realistic womanizing skill into Pre-Casino-Royale-James-Bond-Magic, when every woman wants to fuck him because that's his character. Too bad, I liked the first season a lot.
Dec. 15, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST
Not the best season, but still better than most shows on tv. the final was great.
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST
24 is a hard show to keep fresh year after year. They have done everything on that show already. It is a show that has consistently tried to outdo itself and really has nothing left. Also, the problem since season one has has been trying to be able to string these overall story atchs out over an entire season.<br><br> I am sad to see Clyde Phillips go, but 24 and Dexter are much different shows. There is still plenty of rich storylines that can be delved into with Dexter. 24 is all about recycling old ideas and trying to make them fresh since everything has been done. Johannessen may fail, but I wouldn't judge him based solely on 24.
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST
I think the game changer at the end of the finale will most likely make the show better. Hank and his womanizing with out serious consequences is getting tired. Now that Now that Karen knows about Mia and Mia is going to come clean to the world and announce that she stole "Fucking and Punhinc" from Hank, he will most likely have a huge role reversal. I expect him to go from having a relatively easy personal life of no consequences for his actions, but a barren professional life to having to deal with the consequences of his actions in his personal life with a resurgence of his professional life.
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
Never really watch the show but checked out the xmas episode and it's crazy as hell
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST
Californication isn't worth watching?
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST
American Dad meets Left Behind meets Heavy Metal meets Road Warrior meets V
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST
by Flying Spaghetti Monster
daughter is totally worth watching
Dec. 15, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST
Dexter S4 spoilers, but I couldn't help but accidentally read someone saying that they were so glad that ------------ got killed. I'm gonna miss seeing the actress but hopefully this will free up her time so she can segue her hot little self into porn.
Dec. 15, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST
she totally changes when she has dark hair<P> watch her in punisher, or look at her pics online
Dec. 15, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST
and thats it...the show itself is a fuckin train wreck...although i did like the evil rick springfield...that character should get a spinoff
Dec. 16, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST
Dec. 16, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST
... wins this thread with the best title in forever. I'm still laughing
Dec. 16, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST
Love it!!! And the Dexter finale, WOW!!!! <P> Didnt think they'd really kill the bitch!
Dec. 16, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST
Its been Crap since 1999. 11 years of self referencing rubbish and guest stars .Its used to be an amazing show pre '99 what the fuck! And the movie? dont get me started! Just once i would like to see a celebrity refuse to "appear" as a guest star on the basis that the show has become a pale imitation of itself! But there all to chicken shit to get on FOXs bad side, Cowards yellerbellyed chicken shit cowards!
Dec. 16, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST
...people stop bitching about people watching THE SIMPSONS. So really, you only have yourself to blame.
Dec. 16, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST
Why would the current guy want to leave now that the shackles have come off? Does anyone know his reason? The next season has so much potential, I'd hate to see them fuck it up now.
Dec. 16, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST
I predict that the recently deceased character will be back next season as a counterpoint to Harry in Dexter's mind.
Dec. 16, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST
Awesome episodes for both Dexter and Californication. They have both been re-set completely, so it'll be very interesting to see where they go from here.
Dec. 16, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST
And Dexter deserves all three. Best TV this fall...
Dec. 16, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST
Clyde Philips gave an interview just a little over a week ago where he was talking enthusiastically about the next season of Dexter, so whatever happened to make him leave, happened just in the past few days, out of left field. (He also stated in the interview that the shocking death of [blank]at the very end of the finale only occurred to them late in the process of writing/filming the season. The original end of the finale was going to be Dexter having to choose between going on a family outing, and hunting a child molester he's just found out got out of prison. Thank God they went with the stronger ending.)
Dec. 16, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST
<p>The articles I've read said he's leaving to spend time with his family. That may be true, but it's also a standard excuse given when something else is going on behind the scenes.</p> <p>I'm a bit uneasy about this 24 guy. My worry with Dexter (before the finale that is) was that it was spinning it's wheels, without advancing the character in any real way. It was getting a bit repetitive. Also, I didn't like how they were turning Dex into an unequivocal good guy. 24 is one of the most repetitive wheel-spinning shows there is. People play drinking games to exploit the repetition and that's the last thing I want to see on Dexter. Also, Jack is a gray area character that's constantly written as a hero, something they desperately need to get away from on Dexter. Perhaps they should have gotten David Greenwalt as Profit is the closest thing I've seen to Dexter on TV. It was too dark for the 90s, but just perfect for right now.</p>
Dec. 16, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST
Really interesting choice on your part. I can see it happening. BTW, Clyde wasn't the first showrunner for Dexter, was he? Didn't they get rid of the original showrunner because he wanted most of the crew at the police station to be a little murderous like Dexter? So we'll see. But I share your concern.
Dec. 16, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST
for the last couple of seasons, i viewed her as the most annoying character on the show. but seeing her in the tub (with that somber soundtrack playing) was actually pretty saddening.<p> but good point, HapaPapa72... hopefully this newfound free time will afford her the chance to film an ass2ass flick or two.
Dec. 17, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST
along with VH1, MTV, Bravo and A&E.
Dec. 17, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST
has gone back to being a local TV station and now airs nothing but news and movies. The only thing I miss from E is The Soup.
Dec. 17, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST
Now that they did that...they really are out of ideas I think. What bigger threat is there? Two nukes going off? 24 is forced to delicaetly balance having terrible things happen at the same time as having the good guys save the day. It's gotten too hard. People want the bad stuff too happen, but you can't just kill everyone, which makes it immediately predictable at this point. They always threatened the nuke. It finally happened 2 seasons ago...and now they have no real threat left. It's either someone is going to kill the president or some place is going to get nuked again. Instead of going bigger, I think they need to scale way back and make the arc more personal and more intensive to our characters alone...not the whole world. Otherwise, you end up with one of the crappy pierce brosnan bond movies. I don't need the end of the world. I just need the issue to realistically matter.
Dec. 17, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST
and they sucked. They either involved Jacks family, or people who were only introduced *that* day. And if they tried that shit with Kim now, I'd say at least half the audience would be rooting for the terrorists. <p> If I was to guess at where the writers would go next, it would be that they would take inspiration from the insane ramblings of someone like Glen Beck, and have Jack fighting against a fundamental threat to the countries democracy. Sort of like "V" but without the aliens and in a madly compressed timeframe. Would it be crazy and stupid? Of course it would. It's on Fox.