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Frank Miller's New 300 Project Revealed At Last!! It's Called XEROX, I Mean, XERXES!!

Published at: Dec. 15, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST by merrick

Merrick here...
We've known for a while now that Frank Miller has been preparing some sort of new tale set in the 300 universe - but we didn't know if this would be a sequel, a parallel storyline, a prequel, or what. THIS interview with Miller in the Los Angeles Times finally tells us a little more about the upcoming graphic novel/probable Zack Snyder film. It'll return at least one character from 300 (Xerxes, played by Rodrigo Santoro in that film):
Miller is preparing a follow-up now titled “Xerxes,” which begins about 10 years before the events of “300,” and Snyder has expressed interest in it as a film property as well. “It’s the battle of Marathon through my lens,” Miller said Wednesday. “I’ve finished the plot and I’m getting started on the artwork.”
The Battle of Marathon? So we're gonna get dudes in swords and sandals chopping up a bunch of runners? Count. Me. In.
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  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:42 a.m. CST

    scissors

    by the new transported man

    mmm, scissors

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    At last!

    by Laserhead

    More hackwork from a sub-literate, coke-addled doodler! Just hope this doesn't stand in the way of Frank Miller's Will Eisner's The Spirit 2!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    THIS IS .....

    by TheManWhoCan

    FIRST!!!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Scissor me, Xerxes!

    by Information_Retrieval_Officer_DZ105

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    ER THIRD!

    by TheManWhoCan

    shit

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Cool. But never say "through my lens". Just don't.

    by FlickaPoo

  • everything else Frank miller has done in the past few years, either comic or film wise has sucked donkey ass...i'm guessing this will as well<P>My guess is that snyder will be "unavailable" to do this and Miller will step up to helm it and the press release will label him as a "visionary director"

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    hmm...

    by Celicynd

    Considering that Xerxes wasn't ruler until after the battle of Marathon, this is going to be more of a fucked-up version of history than 300 was I see.<p> I used to love Frank Miller, but all his stuff lately is pretty much mediocre to downright crap.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    ..."through my lens" is almost as bad as "showing America...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the real me".<P> Even Project Runway contestants shouldn't say that shit.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Hey Laserhead

    by OSAMP1

    Frank may be sub-liberate. He may be a coke-addled doodler but he.... What a minute.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    It takes a lot...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...to make a movie I really hate. I mean really, really hate. I hate 300. And at this point, though I remember loving Miller's run on Daredevil when I was a kid, even loving some of the Sin City stuff, the very mention of him makes me cringe.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Considering how gay Xerxes was....

    by V'Shael

    this will make 300 look like a night at the Playboy mansion.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    It gonna take him ages to draw this

    by TheManWhoCan

    with blood dripping from his nose onto the paper all the time.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Celicynd

    Even if he's going to throw Xerxes into the battle itself, in some "his father makes him prove himself" plot device... how exactly can you call this movie "Xerxes" which kind of puts the emphasis on him... then have the Persians lose the battle anyway. Kind of puts a damper on the whole focus of your story, don't you think?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    ALL-STAR B&R

    by lprothro

    Was to me, proof that Miller hates the d.c characters. He made them all into idiots, jerks, and despicable bastards. It was like a running joke to turn all the characters into potty-mouths. No depth what so ever. Not dissing your tastes Jett (cause I like a lot of stuff most people consider "crap") but I completely disagree.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    If Zack Snyder wants to do a TRULY faithful Frank Miller adaptat

    by seppukudkurosawa

    everyone in the movie should have big, floppy clown feet.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    lprothro...concerning All-Star B&R

    by JettL93

    I'll agree that Allstar B&R does take liberties with the characters, and if the main comics went that way i'd be pissed but because its established that the all-star line is an alternate continuity it was cool to see Batman be more of a dick then usual, especially towards robin whom i absolutley hate<P>I also liked how he fucked up Green Lantern, cause in all fairness if Batman did exist with a world with all of these superhumans he'd have to be kinda a dick if he wanted to outsmart them. <P>AS a mini series i have no problems with what Miller did with All-star B&R, not to mention Jim Lee's artwork is so amazing..it's a shame he doesn't do more batman work (Hush is still by far the most beautifully drawn Batman storyline)

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST

    He'll have to rename the battle in the UK

    by dastickboy

    to Snickers. Geddit!? AHAHAHHA! Ahem.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Don't EXERT yourself so much coming up with a lame topic title!

    by Karl Childers

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Yep, Lee's art makes it all worthwhile

    by lprothro

    ..and Hush is to me, his best work. Hopefully they'll do a straight-to-dvd adaptation of it one day.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:33 a.m. CST

    90 MINUTES OF XERXES SITTING IN A CHAIR

    by Mullah Omar

    ...with all hell breaking loose around him. <br> <br> Doesn't actually sound very compelling. Not sure why Xerxes needs to be the focus here. He didn't exactly tear up the screen in 300.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Somebody get Miller a personal stylist

    by ratpack223

    the man looks more and more like a homeless guy

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:37 a.m. CST

    There's a nice scene in Xerxes' history

    by ratpack223

    when he starts crying as his army crosses into Greece, because in couple of years that wonderful army will not exist anymore as will Xerxes himself. He reminds himself everything is fleeting...

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:44 a.m. CST

    aspect of hush are being worked into Batman 3

    by JettL93

    especially the riddler's involvment. Nolan and goyer love the hush storyline and want to use it as an example of how riddler can be more of a pupetmaster as opposed to the puppet.<P>Nolan is worried about over populating the film with villians though (a problem he says alot of third entires suffer from), last I heard Firefly and his sublot has been removed completley, deadshot is still in though, nolan would love to cast Daniel day lewis in the part, but nothing is official yet. Guy Peirce as far as i know is still the front runner to play the riddler

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    We've known all of this except the title for years

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    "Xerxes" is the only news from this article. We knew it would be a prequel, we knew Miller was writing it, we knew Snyder was directing it and we knew it was about Marathon. Just sayin' AICN staff should keep track of it's own news.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    "through my lens" is like calling your own work "twisted"

    by Spandau Belly

    or "edgy" for that matter.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    ive shitted better headlines

    by charlesbronsonLIVES

    after i ate the new york post.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    and what about The Spirit 2?

    by Spandau Belly

    I know at least three other guys who will see it.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:52 a.m. CST

    But the marathon winner wasn't born in Sparta

    by estacado1

    so it doesn't count. We are not allowed to celebrate.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    THIS! IS! MARATHON!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    I'm in. I love 300.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    The Return of Paulo

    by TheBaxter

    Nikki can't be far behind, can she?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Too bad they'll never work in

    by lprothro

    the fact that batman is an athlete and not some big slow,lisping dude in a Robocop suit. <p> I don't think DDL would ever go anywhere near a mainstream genre project.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Marathon was a Greek city I think

    by The_Crimson_King

    I believe it was in one of the God Of War games

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    It was a mountainous region in Greece

    by lprothro

    ..and if I remember correctly, a scout spotted the Persian army from his post there, and ran back--about 26.2 miles that is--to warn the Athenians. The rest is history, or really all of it is, rather.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    jettl93, Is Fucking retarted

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    biggest abomination to spew from Frank Miller's ass yet. even bigger than that Robocop 3 abortion and the Spawn one and yet even the Spirit. <p> I just hope Jim Lee got paid a lil' extra to draw that bullshit.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    that 's re-tar-ded.....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Who cares? 300 sucked.

    by SithMenace

    It was a wet dream for ADD video game tweener retards. It didn't even look like a movie. <p>Snyder is one for three with me, and while a decent entry in zombie lore, his DOTD remake wasn't nearly as good as Romero's.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    300 is currently being sold as gay porn in Malaysia...

    by theycallmemrtibbs

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Is the Hunchback still around?

    by cookylamoo

    I liked that treasonous bastard.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    They'll even sell

    by SithMenace

    Roots as gay porn in Malaysia. That place is fucked.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    It was Darius, not Xerxes,

    by Joneck

    who led the persian invasion at marathon.......duh!!!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    All-star Batman & Robin is garbage

    by m_prevette

    Agreed that Lee's art is astounding, but, the scripts show just how bad Miller really is, how cliche and shallow his work is.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Miller is a legend

    by masteryoda007

    Ok so The Spirit was shit but the man is a god damned legend. Haters can suck my fat one. His Daredevil run was and still is a benchmark in the comic industry. Then you have DK Returns, Sin City, Year One, 300, Ronin, Spiderman.....etc.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Take THAT 1970s Bruce Jenner!

    by Royston Lodge

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

    by TheWaqman

    fucking shite news.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I agree on Miller's Daredevil run.....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    one of the best runs in the history of comics, along with the Dark Knight and Sin City. But did you notice something? For as brilliant as he's been, he's also squeezed out his share of shit. <p> ... Robocop 3? Spawn issue 12? Dark Knight returns 2? Batman and Robin ALL stars? The Spirit?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    PEOPLE STILL GIVE HIM MONEY ?

    by theplant

    IS THIS A JOKE, OR WHAT ?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    So nobody liked Batman fucking up green lantern?

    by JettL93

    That alone made allstar B&R a great story, plus basically putting robin through real survival training made it a grittier story<P>All-star B&R is like the prequles it's cool to hate it, i just hope Miller and LEE finish the story at some point, All-star superman got way more issues then B&R did

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    I vote take a shit guy

    by gotilk

    for the role.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    JettL93

    by the new transported man

    When referring to your industry cohorts, please use their inside names, e.g. "Dan Lewis", "Chris", & "Guy", tytyty.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    jett

    by lprothro

    It was mildly amusing to see the yellow paint, Robin breaking Hal's neck or whatever, problem is there was no story to rap around any of it--and he made all of the characters equally obnoxious and unlikeable.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    BUT FOR THE RECORD..

    by lprothro

    I love 300, the book and the movie. That's the kind of material his sensibilities are best suited for, imo.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I haven't read past the first few issues of B&R allstars, but...

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    From what I understand, Miller TOTALLY FUCKED up Green Lantern. Apparently he seals him in a yellow room....as if the color yellow were Kryptonite! Uuuuuuh, no, it's just that his power ring can't manipulate the color yellow!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Then Batman goes in and...

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    beats GL silly. You know, because GL is weak from being surrounded by yellow. Probably one of the biggest comic book fuck-ups of ALL TIME!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    What do you mean who am i

    by JettL93

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Are you dense or some kind of retard?

    by JettL93

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I'm the god damned Batman, thats who i am

    by JettL93

    i don't get why that line is hated so much..he is the god damned batman

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Spandau

    by Bloo

    you, me and caruso, who else?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I am dissapoint.

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Snyder's WATCHMEN was AWESOME!

    by 3D-Man

    It needed to be said.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    The last time Miller's work WASN'T pure garbage

    by Laserhead

    The original 'Sin City' comic in 1991. And that was no masterpiece, just a good pastiche.<p>That's 18 years of hard, hard sucking, folks. At this point he's been awful a lot longer than he was ever good (1980-1991).

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Frank Miller gets a lifetime pass for...

    by Jaka

    ...the Sin City and The Dark Knight COMIC BOOKS. Y'all are crazy if you think otherwise. Everything he's done after that, films and comics, can certainly be questioned. But those two works earned him a pass. Maybe you just can't understand it if you didn't live through their affect on the industry (comic book).

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    And to the point, I love 300

    by Jaka

    I love it quite a lot actually. So I'm really looking forward to this in both formats.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Oh, but let me be clear...

    by Jaka

    ... The Dark Knight. Not the sequel. Blech.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Thje dark knight returns is a great story but...

    by JettL93

    by god does the artwork suck, wasmiller on a cafeene high when he drew that?<P>It looks like batman fell into the world of Dr Katz. Miller should have never drawn that book, if another artist had drawn it it would have been so much better

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    "I've just finished the plot"

    by Jumping Windows

    Uhh...Frank? The Battle of Marathon actually occurred. The plot can be found on wikipedia. I wish I'd known I could be famous by writing stories with a history book in front of me. Excuse me, but I have to go back to writing my novel entitled, "Plutarch: Sugar or Starch?"

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    actually biggest comic book fuck up of all time...

    by heavenlykid

    Batman punching out the hulk in an early cross over. I'm serious. He punched him in the gut and the hulk fell down. Batman beat up the incredible hulk (I think using 'pressure points' or some junk, though I haven't even read it in decades). It was balls. Sweaty, sweaty balls.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Snyder's Watchmen was Meh

    by SithMenace

    It had to be said.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    The Spirit...

    by Lone Fox

    Was actually close to the source material. Miller took some creative liberties (how DARE he make the film how HE wanted) but the tone was there.  Fact is, everyone expected a Sin City 2, and didn't get it. Works fine as a stand alone movie. It'll be a cult classic in a few years. ASBAR is without exception the most original take on Batman in years. Since 86, in fact. Lee's art isn't his best, and ill suited to Miller's writing, plus Lee fucked up by missing every deadline thrown at him. But the writing was excellent, and exactly what was briefed- the All Star books were supposed to give an alternate take on popular characters. Not crank out more of the same monthly shit. I hope Miller forgets about DC, as with Marvel. They showed no balls with Holy Terror, ASBAR, fired Bob Schreck...  The Marathon project can't come soon enough.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the Dark Knight art

    by Lone Fox

    Is brilliant cartooning. Back when art didn't have to be clean, or photo realistic. And composition-wise, it's faultless. Everything anyone wants to learn about comics can be learnt entirely from that book. Pro-Miller rant over(!)

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    All Star B&R makes Batman...

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    LAUGHABLY insane. He's just crazy for crazy's sake. He talks like Marv from Sin City! He's a complete nutbag and ASSHOLE that nobody likes. Sorry....THAT'S NOT BATMAN!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    And I've ALWAYS SAID TDKR's art sucks donkey dick.

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Big, green, pus-covered donkey dick. It's embarrassing that art was published. I agree it's a great story, well all but Joker breaking his own neck by looking to his left (WTF?), but the art is CRAP!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah and sorry, Robin ain't a TWEEN GIRL!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Seriously, what the fuck was up with that shit?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    REVENGE_of_FETT

    by Dr. Samuel Loomis

    Are you speaking of the sequel of Miller's The Dark Knight?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    well said Lone Fox (about A-S B&R)

    by JettL93

    it's the first orginal take on the batman comics in a good 20 years, Miller and lee didn't rape our childhoods, they went in with the permission to break continuity for a miniseries and do something different..so they did and IMO it works<P>I can't agree with you on the spirit though, Miller genunely fucked that up, he claimed to be honoring will eisner's oringinal version but thats bull shit, he took what he learned about green screen from robert rodriquez and zach snyder and tried to apply it to another comic book. Honestly if this guy was given the chance to make superman or batman, he'd still do it in that style cause he thinks thats how you shoot a movie. I'm not saying he can't direct a good movie but he still has a lot to learn about filmaking before he does<P>But once again great comments on ASB&R i can't wait til we get the second half of it, and i also can't wait til DC releases the other Allstar books...there was supposed to be an all-star wonderwoman and an allstar batgirl..where the hell are these?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah, All Star Batman and Robin is totally underrated

    by Tall_Boy66

    I picked up the first trade paperback a while ago, after reading literally YEARS of bitching on the Interwebs about how terrible it was. I read it, thought it was funny and kind of twisted and got a kick out of it. How can people hate a book that is deliberately just trying to be really insane and fucked up. Okay, the plot moves REALLLLYYY slow but with Jim Lee drawing it, it can move as slow as it damn well pleases. Also, Batman and Robin dressing up in all yellow with Bats even drinking lemonande at one point? Gold! Oh, and those all star batgirl and wonder woman books, I'm pretty sure they've been shitcanned. DC is doing yet-another Ultimate Universe rip-off now with a line of Original Graphic Novels called "Year One".

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Xerxes' father, Darius ruled the Persian army

    by YackBacker

    Athenians entered into an agreement with the Persians for protection (imagine the Persians are the mafia) and when Athens decided it didn't want or need the Persians help anymore, all-out war got started. The roots of tension between Europe and Persia started here (which last to this day, obviously).

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I mean, who gives a fuck if Miller made Batman an asshole?

    by Tall_Boy66

    Shit, motherfucker dresses up as a BAT AND BEATS PEOPLE UP FOR HIS NIGHTS OUT? Guy's an asshole, pretty simple really.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    "through my lens"

    by Crow3711

    Dick.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    JettL93 - did Miller ask you to write the screenplay yet?

    by Lamerz

    Seriously, fuck him if he doesn't use the industry's GO TO GUY. I mean, what fuckin retard would choose someone else?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    DC's new line is Earth One, not year one

    by JettL93

    and as far as i know it's only a superman and a batman graphic novel, no other characters have been announced, so i don't see why that would cancel the all-star at this point <P> and no Lamerz i have not been asked to write this, my slate is relativley busy right now, production of Batman 3 is amping up, i have a few other projects and my draft for the story outline to Batman Akham asylum 2 (working title) video game is actually overdue at this point, but i will have it done by end of week

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Merrick, you know jack shit about the Battle Of Marathon, do you

    by AsimovLives

    You know jack shit about movies too, come to think of it. Fuck you are so fucking lame! How the fuck you got this AICN gig, anyway? Not by knowing about history and movies, that's for certain.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Marathons. Will. Be. Battled.

    by Ray Gamma

    and renamed Snickers

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I bet all Merrick knows about the Battle of Thermopylae is based

    by AsimovLives

    ... on 300. And that movie is really helpful to know ancient history. As much as Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek to learn about astrophysics.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Merrick tyakes history about the Battle Of Stirling BRIDGE...

    by AsimovLives

    ... from Braveheart. The movie which depicted the Battle Of Stirling Bidge without the River Forth, the city of Stirling and the the bridge of the same name that crossed the aforementioned river, the bridge which at one end THE BATTLE ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE. Merrick must still believes that the Battle of Stirling BRIDGE took place in an open field.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Well, frankly....I GIVE a fuck that Miller made Batman an asshol

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Batman ISN'T an asshole. The fact that YOU buy into Batman as "a motherfucker who beats people up" just shows how sad and pathetic your view of this hero is. Miller's the same guy that made Catwoman a fucking HOOKER! I suppose you think that's all fine and dandy too?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    And i'm goign to fucking spoil the ending of Xerxes:

    by AsimovLives

    The persians lost the battle of marathon. There. And don't fucking blame me, this is a well known fact for more then 2000 years. Read your fucking history books.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Aaaaaaaand Asimov found a way to shoehorn Trek in here!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Go fuckin' figure!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    kids know more about some fictional Star Wars battle...

    by AsimovLives

    ... then they know about some real historical battle. i bet they even think that the Battle Of Gettisburg was fought against the french and the Vietnam War was fought against the russians because that's what they saw in their daddy's Rambo II DVD in all his birthdays.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    REVENGE_of_FETT

    by AsimovLives

    Tell me where i did that? Or did you just dreamed that shit up? You are allucinating, brother!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile, the Athenians Carressed Young Boys

    by cookylamoo

    And invented democracy.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    My City Screams...

    by HapaPapa72

    No thanks!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo

    by AsimovLives

    ACtusally, it was the Spartans who caressed boys, and made it an institution in their own society. The athenians, however considered it bad ,anners to do that and do displays of emotions in public. You know why the athenian Socrates was condemend to death? His accusations was for "corrupting the youth". Take a hint what that is supposed to mean. The real gays and pederasts of ancient greece were the Spartans. However, for some weird reason, none of that is shown in 300. Jezz, i wonder why?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Merrick you stupid turd, give it up. You're not funny, particularly when you're making jokes about being ignorant of things (like Marathon) that most of the site's readers know about. It just underlines how fucking stupid and useless you are.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    And Spartans didn't give a shit about freedom

    by AsimovLives

    Their own society was based on extremely codified conduct from every citizen, they were a barracks society. Ironically, the only emmbers of society who had any measure of freedom were the women, because then men were only trained for war, it was the women who took care of business.<br><br>And better yet, the Spartans wetre the only ancient greek people who enslaved other greeks. In the spartans' case, they enslaved the messenians. The greeks of the time considered an abomination to make another greek a slave, they saw it in complete abjection. The Spartans, however, had no quals like that. And by the way, after the Battle Of Thermopylae, the spartans sided with the persians agaisnt the rest of greece, and they evne took persian money to finance their war agaisnt athens and thebes. THe spartans were the greeks who took persian money to fight agaisnt other greeks.<br><br>Ywah, how fucking awesome were those ancient spartans, like in the fucking movie 300, aren't they? Gays, pederasts, slavers of their own people, betrayers, traitors and asses for hire for a foreign power. How exactly like in 300, hem?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    MikeTheSpike

    by AsimovLives

    Tell him as it is.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Merrick, a fucking ignorant of ancient history...

    by AsimovLives

    ... was the one chosen to post news about a comic about an ancient greek history battle. Am I the only one seeing the irony of this? Who the fuck choses Merrick to post the news, anyway? Who the fuck hired him, anyway?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Nobody chooses Merrick to post anything. He just finds shit online while he waits out his refractory period and posts it on the site for us to see, often with some stupid non-sequitur YouTube clip. Sometimes it's shit about a video game that came out two months ago (or fucking *Galaxy Quest* from the last millennium), or something Ralph Fiennes' aunt said to a German magazine, but he never scoops anything or posts anything of value. Other than the Ghost Hunters heads-up the other day, which we were all just fucking *begging* to read. <p> His one initiative, AICN Games, was terrible and was quietly canned a few weeks after its inception. Since then he's sort of hung around the site, presumably because he cleans the smegma off Harry's dink. I cannot think of any other use another human being could have of Merrick.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I'm cancelling my Spartan-themed birthday party.

    by Royston Lodge

    After having knowledge laid upon me! <p> Shocked and/or appalled, I am!<p> ;-)

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Guh

    by Lone Fox

    The comment about Athenians was an insult because it implied paedophilia, not homosexuality ( which was common practice particularly among Spartan warriors). 300 was never meant as a definitive historical account. It's told from the point of view of a Spartan, recounting their greatest battle. It's a biased account, celebrating Spartan determination and tactical brilliance. Miller never denied that. That was his focus.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Oh the hate. THE HATE!

    by MacReady452

    don't worry "guys". The Sex in the City movie will be out soon.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Asimov, are you seriously asking?

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Yeah, here's the quote: "As much as Jar Jar Abrams's Shit Trek to learn about astrophysics.", 4 posts above where I call you on it.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Asimov,

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Spartan women were essentially slaves. And boys were sold into sexual slavery and forced to fuck older Spartan warriors. Somehow that didn't make it into the movie however.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Well the boys weren't "sold" per se

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    I don't want to give the wrong impression. Boys were recruited as warriors and were partnered with an older Spartan mentor, with whom they were forced to have sex. This went on for years. Think of it as Gay Jedi. When the older retired, the sex ended and the younger was expected to take a wife, and of course his "gay padawan". The fucked-up theory behind this is that is this practice encouraged bonding within the ranks.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    "Think of it as Gay Jedi."

    by Royston Lodge

    Is there any other kind?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    300 2: 290

    by Autodidact

    Sounds redundnant.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I mean 300 2: 490

    by Autodidact

    for 490 BC (10 years earlier than 480BC)

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Millar is the Lucas of comics.

    by ganda1f

    Seriously, the man revolutionised the industry once and created some truly brilliant entertainment.<br><br>For a while, everything released by Millar was must-read.<br><br>However, he's been incapable of creating new bona-fide success for years now, and simply returns to his old properties and mutilates them a bit more whenever he needs some $$.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    FRANK BELLAMY

    by Tumor_Binks

    The true author of 300 whose missus probably didn't even get a thank you from Miller, even though he XEROXED Bellamy's artwork for the 300. Frank Miller needs to fess up (Dave Gibbons called him out once on it) and give Bellamy's family a check!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    XERXES WASN'T AT THE BATTLE OF MARATHON

    by J-Dizzle

    Darius the Great was the Persian King of Kings at that time, NOT Xerxes.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Miller gets a lot of points from me...

    by PolyesterRage

    for a having a girl Robin who <i>didn't</i> fuck everything up and then die. And who was actually awesome. And, come on, DKR and Year One are pretty fucking fantastic (even if the art in DKR is just...ugh). <br> <br>Anyways, this sounds like it could be really fun, which was all 300 was. I don't see how anyone can really hate 300. It's not like it had a misleading marketing campaign or anything. It was just "Spartans are badasses and kill everyone," which was...exactly like the comic. What were you expecting the movie to be?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I thought Xerxes was the worst part of 300

    by jaysin420

    how about recasting John Cena for the role?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    XerXes and Leonidis Make A Porno

    by JeanGrey_X23_lesboSex

    working title

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Pretty sure

    by Colin62

    Xerxes wasn't king yet. And I'm fairly sure he wasn't at marathon. Doesn't seem like Frank Miller'd not check history. It seems more likely that AICN just screwed up.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I love the historical accuracy arguments.

    by Jaka

    Always makes me chuckle. Same nonsense Braveheart haters always try to throw at that movie. We know they're not historically accurate. They don't claim to be historically accurate. If I want historical accuracy I'll go to the library and check out A FEW books.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    TONIGHT WE DINE ON COCK!!!!!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Haha. Haha.

    by PrezMike

    Satisfied? That title is not funny. At all.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I freaking loved "Frank Miller's Robocop", that comic book...

    by qweruiop

    ...series that came out a few years ago from Avatar Press. I thought it was some of Miller's best stuff in years, even though he basically oversaw the transition from script to comic. *Now waits for the stoning to begin*.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    qweruiop

    by Jaka

    No stoning from this direction. I own most everything Miller has done. Some of it is incredible, some not so much. But I totally respect the guy for just doing his own thing. Robocop is one of the things I don't own, though. Never really loved the movies that much so I passed on the comic.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Don't forget to bring the Trojans

    by ReportAbuse

    Their loyalty is legendary, for they never leave their buddies' behind. You're not safe without your Trojans.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, noes! Catwoman can't be a hooker! Heaven forfend!

    by Tall_Boy66

    Yeah, it's not as if she wouldn't have had any sort of criminal or sexual background, right? Christ, you're pissy that Miller took the guy who dresses up like a Bat and kicks the shit out of criminals act like a guy who dresses up like a Bat and kicks the shit out of criminals. That's entertainment, and it's darkly noir. Like the original comic book by Bob Kane. "Stirking terror. Best part of the job." How can anyone who likes Batman not dig that?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    300 sucked

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    But is that a surprise considering they are Greek?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Do the Battle of Leuctra where the Spartans lose.

    by kabong

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Battle of Marathon was 490 BC

    by NoHubris

    Xerxes inherited the throne when King Darius died four years later in 486 BC so if the title is XERXES, it appears that Miller will be showing showing Xerxes as a king in the making, on his way to his kingship.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    It should be called MILTIADES...

    by NoHubris

    ...who was Athenian general who crafted their fighting strategy and led the Athenians in battle.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Once more, Miller is a hack ...say it with me

    by m_prevette

    TDKR : Good ideas bungled in the execution, way over the top in the "grim & gritty" - Sin City: Garbage. If you thought it was anything close to crime fiction, you need to think again. It reads like a 12 year old trying to do tough-as-nails noir, so so bad it's laughable. I mean come on. AllStar Batman : Miller has become a parody of his own worst qualities. Unlike Jettl93, I have not worked on every blockbuster from every studio with every name director.........yeah....... but I've worked with one major Hollywood producer and several indies, nowhere near Jett's level of...being an In Guy - but I tell you Miller is shit.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    gaotfucker for somebody that claims to know history

    by Xiphos_2

    you sure are wrong about it. Then again its not your fault. The goat syphilis is eating away at that extra small portuguese brain of yours.<p>Also your continued love letters to JJ Abrams have crossed the line from pathetic to super creepy. Give it up JJ doesn't want to know about your love of Star Trek and of him. Star Trek, is just a movie son and nothing more.<p>

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    A V A T A R - Fucking your eyeballs...TODAY!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    hooray!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Darius and Xerxes...

    by doober187

    So, it looks like this is going to focus on Darius battling Athens and Plataea and raising and nurturing Xerxes to take over when he's gone...from Xerxes point of view probably.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    I call bullshit on "TDKR" having bad artwork—

    by blakindigo

    —extremely stylized and effective storytelling. Lemme guess, you guys think Mike Mignola and Eduardo Risso are 'bad' artists also? Pure idiocy…

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    by blakindigo

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    A hack?

    by Lone Fox

    Almost singlehandedly rejuvenating the comics industry, hack work? Hardly. How anyone can accuse DKR as being bungled in its execution... a perfect piece of work. On every page, even the panel size/shape has been thought through, it's meticulous. Too grim and gritty? As with ASBAR, it simply took the idea of Batman to its logical conclusion. An adult take on a comic book character... and automatically gets tagged negatively. And Sin City. Be clear on this- before Miller, crime comics as a genre did not sell. Did not EXIST, in fact. At least, not in any way that mattered, for 40 years or so. 300 was predicted to be a commercial failure- a swords and sandals comic! Yet it sold out. And again, opened up a genre. If that's hack work, then hacks have been shortchanged.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    As much as Miller's later work lacks coherence—

    by blakindigo

    trying to discredit "The Dark Knight Returns" citing it's artwork as 'bad' just reaffirms a one-dimensional view of super-hero storytelling and ambition. Miller's artwork MAKES that book effective. As does the stunning work by Klaus Jansen, Lynn Varley and Todd Klein.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Totally agree

    by Lone Fox

    Something I've always loved about Miller's art is its immediacy. It looks spontaneous, alive. But once you study it, you can see all the planning that went in to it. The pacing, structure, use of dialogue. It's quite brilliant. By 'lacks coherence', you mean All Star Batman? I think with superheroes, Miller is simply celebrating them realistically ( I don't mean grim and gritty). The absurdity of it. A child sees his parents murdered, spends his entire life training to become the perfect detective, dresses as a bat and fights criminals every night. To store that much resentment for years on end, to constantly channel that much rage... he would have to be insane. Credit where it's due, Miller only made him half crazy(!) Besides, ASBAR showed us a Batman in his second year on the job, the pressure he was under, and the need to seek out a future replacement. When he had to recruit Dick Grayson years earlier than planned, the series payoff was surely once he allowed Robin to grieve for his parents, thus allowing Bruce Wayne to reconnect with himself. There's method in his madness, I think.   

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:52 a.m. CST

    The spirit...nuff said

    by Waka_Flocka_Flame

    FLOCKA!!!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Frank Miller wasn't a hack

    by Gozu

    From "Daredevil" through the early "Sin City" mini-series (basically the ones adapted for the movie and "A Dame to Kill For"), Frank Miller was the best, most influential, and important cartoonist in his field outside of Will Eisner. As a writer, it was between him and Alan Moore. His Batman is what inspired both Burton (well, "DKR" and Moore's "Killing Joke") and Nolan ("Batman: Year One"), his Daredevil run and "Ronin" inspired "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles," and "Dark Knight Returns" and "Watchmen" came out the same year, bringing comics into the mainstream. However, one day, he woke up and realized he was a comic book badass and he began his decline. "300" is a part of this. It's big and pretty (mainly because of Lynne Varley's colors), but it really is about as substantial as the film it inspired. The film "Sin City" is interesting because it's working with decade-old material from when Miller actually cared and also Robert Rodriguez did a great deal to get at the very least the look and feel right. However, "The Spirit" introduced everyone to contemporary Frank Miller, a misogynist, arrogant, self-referential, and lazy storyteller. Cat's out of the bag, folks. The only sad part is that he was adapting the work of Eisner, his idol and in the hands of a director who actually gave a shit and had more to prove, it might have turned out much better.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 7:10 a.m. CST

    REVENGE_of_FETT

    by AsimovLives

    You got it all wrong about child and women in spartan society. Yes, the women were treated not much better then slaves in ancient greece... everywhere but Sparta. Of the few things to be admired about sparta, it was the great leeway they gave women. And the reason was a pratical one. The men were trained only for war. It was the woman who dealed with buying stuff in the market, and even runing business and taking care of the olive orchids. The women also indulged in athlecticism because they believed a fit woman would give birth to stronger babies. And this alsos, because all spartans were gay, women took their sexual solace with other women, lesbianism in sparta was not only rampant, it was socially accepted.<br><br>Spartan children were not sold to slavery, because spartan children, male children, were future warriors. Their slavery, if you will, was the fact they belong to such a strict society which didn't tolerated any offence to the status quo. In such a way, all spartans were slaves. aND THAT'S HOW THEY LIKE IT, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CONCEPT OF INDIVIDUAL VALUE. Everything was for the polis.<br><br>If you want to talk about ancient history, you better start learning some stuff, and not just shit you think you learned from watching 300.<br><br>And yeah, spartans were gay. They were institunalized that way. so much so, that when a spatan marrie,d the women shaved their head, so they could resemble more a male and thus allowed the husband to have sex with her, since he was so conditioned to have sex with other men, having sex with women was a completly alien thing for him.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by AsimovLives

    Finally the big day came. I hope the movie is everythign you have hoped and hyped for all this time. Good luck, friend.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Lone Fox

    by AsimovLives

    The paedophiles were the spartans, not the athenians. Paedophilia in Sparta was an INSTITUTION. In Athenians, they had laws agaisnt it. Socrates was execured on such accusations (bogus in my opinion, they just wanted to pin on him anything to get rid of him).<br><br>It gets better. Maybe many ignorants like Merrick think that the battle of Thermopylae there was only 300 spartans on the greek's side, discounting those "coward" phocians. Well, thing is, the battle on the side of the greeks was fought with many allies from many parts of greece. The movie gives the idea that theiniasn were quiters. In fact, when the battle come, the atheniasn forces were the first to receive the blunt of the first impact from persian forces at the begining of the battle. The spartans hoplites were only used later, when the athenians needed a break from exhaustion. And who devised the strategy? Spartan king Leonidas himself. Even the Spartan army was not just made of 300 spartans, but they also had with them about 2000 other Lacedaemonian allies with them. The greek army at Thermopylae was about 8000 people total. The persian army, was about 200,000 people. But of those, only 10% actualyl saw combat because the battle happeend to such a narrow straight, and only a small amount of the persian army could meet the greeks atr a time, which for a while resulted to the greeks advantage.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    YOU WILL FIND... THAT I AM KIND

    by turketron_2

    Hahaa, fuck you guys those scenes in 300 with Xerxes were great. Will this movie be full of those freak-fest orgies like in 300? If so count me in for another helping of that bizarro shit!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 7:48 a.m. CST

    HOWEVER, if it's made by that asshole who made The Spirit

    by turketron_2

    If this even resembles The Spirit in any way shape or form, FUCK THAT. Fuck that movie till the end of time! PIECE OF SHIT AAAGGHGGHGHG

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    I'm hearing rumours that Xerxies will be recast

    by JettL93

    I had a meeting with WB early this morning and i happened to overhear that this movie will only go ahead if a big name actor is attached in the lead role, one studio head wants dwayne johnson and is prepared to offer him a great deal of money to take the part. I'm also hearing that WB is worried that Leonidis isn't in Miller's first draft

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Asimovlives

    by Lone Fox

    Yep, sorry I wasn't being clear. My point was that it was an insult calling the opposition 'boy lovers'. Regardless of which side practiced it ( or not) it was a derogatory term towards the Athenians, albeit a rather 'pot calling the kettle black' one.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Asimov, you just backed up everything I said....

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Except for the more freedom for Spartan women as opposed to other Greek women, and you're right about that. I had gotten them confused with Athenian women.</p><p>And I don't remember ANY of the things I said having JACK SHIT to do with the Sparta represented in 300, as you accuse me of drawing from. In fact I very plainly ATTACKED 300 for skewing the record. I took Ancient Civilizations in college, so I know what I'm talking about. As I said I merely confused Spartan women with Athenian women in that single comment. Everything else I said was 100% accurate as you yourself attest. So nunless you can point to the institutionalized homosexuality in 300, YOU are the one talking shit by accusing me of getting my history from that film.</p>

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST

    And Asimov,

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Do you now acknowledge that YES YOU DID IN FACT bring Star Trek into this discussion after demanding me to show you where you did only a few minutes before?</p><p>You sure are quick to attack even when YOU are at fault. If you had bothered to read my very next post you would have seen where I PLAINLY explained the "sold into sexual slavery" thing as being INCULCATED into it. Next time you "bring it", know what the fuck you're bringing.</p>

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Why 300 doesn't HAVE to be historically accurate.

    by Royston Lodge

    I used to say the same things bout the inaccuracies in 300, until someone pointed out to me that the movie (and the comic) is the story AS TOLD BY DILIOS to rally the troops before the Battle of Plataea. He tells the story the way he does because it's propaganda to get the armies of Greece all riled up and full of hatred for the Persians. Dilios exaggerates things a wee bit ... for a purpose.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    300; Great trailer, bloody awful film

    by savagedave

    You know it.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    REVENGE_of_FETT

    by AsimovLives

    Ok then.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by AsimovLives

    What you seme to forget was that Zack The Hack Snyder claimed he was going to be historically accurate with his movie. Seems his definition of historical accuracy was to get right some pottery props seen very quickly at the corner of the frame. Becasue the rest of the movie is even more fantasious then anything shown at any of the LORD OF THE RINGS movies.<br>THE LORD OF THE RINGS movies didn't had to be historically accurate because they are fictional stories. 300 is, regardles sof what Zack The Hack or Miller want to say, an historical movie. And no amount of it's base don a comic" justifies the bullshit that infects that shitty dumb movie from begining to end.<br>The claim that the movie is a mytholization of the battle as told by a spartan for propaganda proposes works in the comic because the story is just about that and nothing else. The movie, however, not only go on needless tangents about Queen Gorgon, but it goes in super-hyper-stylization bullshit with the battle scenes. I'd like to ask Zack The Hack where the fuck he got his idea and justification to include war elephants and domesticated rhinos for the persian army, and where LOTR's orcs and trolls in the persian army came from. The mere fact there's a war rhino in the movie is just beyond fucking retard. Zack must hav eonly known of Rhinos in some children book, and he never saw one in a zoo or even in a disney channel documentary. Only a retard would belive that a rhino could be domisticated.<br>It gets worst. Where the fuck the gunpowder grenades cames from? Even the chinese, who were the first to invent the stuff, were a thousand years away of creating it fir the first time. What kind of bullshit was that?<br>Zack The Hack even got the battle phallanx formation fighting wrong. He made the spartans fight like the roman legionaries do, and not like the greek phallanx did.<br><br>Everything is fucking wrong about the fucking movie. Zack The Hack failed at everything. His fucking movie DINT' HAD TO FAIL so much. If he wante dto make a full fantasy movie, then he should had come up with some fantasy story, and not rape and piss and shit on KNOWN HISTORY. VERY WELL KNOWN HISTORY, matter of fact.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    I don't see how you can hang "historically accurate" on him

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    I mean....we're talking about a film with fucking MONSTERS in it!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I never read that Snyder was trying to make it accurate.

    by Royston Lodge

    I'll have to take your word for it on that one.<p> I prefer the idea that 300 is an allegory about how historical events become mythology when retold by people with a propaganda agenda, in this case personfied by the character of Dilios.<p> But that's just me.<p> (I also cannot take seriously any opinion that comes from a heretic who blasphemes the good name of the the Blessed Guru Homer Simpson. Clearly, that sin can never be forgiven. Heh heh heh...)

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    should build a wall of dead bodies

    by MacReady452

    out of the haters. your expectations are your own.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    No Royston, you're right.

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Asimov is speaking right through his anus. Snyder never said anything about being "historically accurate". Almost NONE of the events portrayed in the film were even based on anything even in the MYTHOLOGY of what happened. How can anyone look at that armor and think for a MILISECOND that the film is supposed to be "historically accurate"?

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Snyder didn't say he was making a 'historically accurate'

    by blakindigo

    movie. I think that was the marketing department. Anyway, yes he was adapting the comic and yes it was FRANK MILLER who went to Greece and studied the phallanx and visited the battlefield. And, yes it was again FRANK MILLER that claimed many of the woefully sanitized, historically whitewash elements were 'truth'. Snyder's movie isn't good. But, it looks pretty. Basically, if it was a short or a music video, then it would be great.<br><br>I personally feel he made up for it with "Watchmen". But, that's just me.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    TDK's JOKER WAS THE BEST VERSION OF THE JOKER EVER

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Completely insane. Genius. Psychotic. Total dandy. Sexually ambiguous and seriously fucked up. Poetic. Funny. Athletic and nearly able to disembowel Batman armed only with a switchblade while in toe to toe combat. The Joker from TDK would've ass-raped Heath Ledger's and then killed him by forcefeeding him his own severed cock like in Angel Heart. And my screenname tells you what a big Heath Ledger fan I am.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    WAT

    by turketron_2

    The post above me.... WAT. What

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    If you read Socrates.....

    by cookylamoo

    He maintained that every knows that lying with boys is a noble thing. So, I think the "corrupting" may have been more about the minds than the bodies. Anyway it's all Hemlock under the bridge now.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    As Edward Lear Once Put It.....

    by cookylamoo

    X was once a great king Xerxes, Xerxy, Perxy, Turxy, Xerxy, Linxy, lurxy, Great King Xerxes!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I MEANT THE JOKER FROM MILLER'S TDKR WAS BEST EVER

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    I forgot to add the "R" after TDK. Thanks for pointing that out Turketron

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    300 was porn for 10 year olds

    by Nabster

    it sucked. Anyone who liked it sucked.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Nabster. Do you have a ten year old?

    by Jaka

    And would you let them watch 300? (rolls eyes)

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Rhinos, trolls...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Rupaul Xerxes and all the rest aside, the movie was just horrific. I'm about as far as you can get from a politically correct guy, but the depiction of the Persian Empire was the incarnation of how sick the cool kids really were as dreamed by a seventeen year old virgin who spends his time lifting weights and getting buzzcuts to take the edge off his sexual frustrations. Ditto the nonsensical episode with the Oracle of Delphi. And then there was the best bit of all, in which the deformed guy who was saved from being eaten by rats and coyotes at birth turns out to be the betrayer, thereby justifying the countless murders of babies. See, if his parents had just fed their not Spartan-worthy baby to the weasels Sparta would have stopped the Persians. So not just historically innacurate, in this as so many other things, but innacurate with an underlying message that the physically weak are also morally inferior, those who look different are also degenerate and women are defined entirely by their sexuality and have no other real place even in an "enlightened" society. And there's more. Sorry, but this was a movie with either bad or absolutely ignorant intent. My bar for saying that is extremely high, but 300 managed to vault over it. I hate this movie, and you'd be hard pressed to find another I've said I HATED, as opposed to saying I didn't like it much.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    RNL, but that's why the propaganda interpretation makes sense.

    by Royston Lodge

    The idea is that Dilios was describing the Persians in the most offensive ways possible in order to fill the rest of the Greeks so full of rage and bloodlust that they would be in the right frame of mind for the upcoming battle.<p> The average greek soldier had never set eye on a persian. They only experience they had with actual persians was through the stories. So (in 300, not in history) Dilios built-up the glory of "the 300" and inflated the atrocities of the Persians. Leonides basically ordered him to do this when he sent him away from the battle.<p> I have no idea if this was Frank Miller's intention, but it seems like a pretty obvious interpretation of the text to me.<p> The comics came out in 1998. After the first Gulf War, and the Balkans, and Somalia, etc, an allegory about demonizing your "enemy" through propaganda and mythology makes sense to me.<p> But, again, I admit that I have no idea if this was Miller's intention.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by AsimovLives

    How convinient it is for the 300 groupies to forget that Zack The Hack Snyder did mentioned in interviews, including for AICN, that he qwas going to go for a realitisc portait of the spartans and their culture and lifehood. So much so, that the Spartan set was actually to be something build, and not CGI. Yes, it's lovely how the groupies of retard fucking bad movies suddently forget when the fuckinghacks who made them once to sell the movie promised "historical realism". How convinient!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by AsimovLives

    The propaganda theory doesn't hold water. In the comic, yes, in the fucking movie, no. You know why? elephants, rhinos and gunpowder. Can you give me any tiny amount of a convincing argument as to how the fuck a provincial foot soldier like Dilios would know anything about elephants, rhinos and fucking gunpowder? How the fuck could that hick spartan even dreamed in his wildest dreams of that shit? How the fuck he would know how an elephant would look like? wors,t how the fuck he wouod know how a rhino would look like, since the only people back then who could know of them lived in India or Egypt or in Africa? You are trying to convince me that the dilios guy was this well travelled that he could put rhinos and elephants and congure up gunpowder to tell a tall tale? Can i laught at this?<br><br>The propaganda to justify the bullshit in 300 is just that, bullshit. Accept it, 300 is a pile of shit. It's a fucking horrible retard fucking bad movie. It's shit!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by AsimovLives

    And don't even forget the little fact that the betrayer was not even spartan, he was just a local peasant who lived in complete misery, that for him to tell the persians about the backaley route to get behind the greek army sounded like good business. and if we see things form his perspectiv,e about the real betrayer, if you are an uneducated peasant and you see the persians arrive with a 200,000 men strong army and the opposition is just a mere less then 10,000 greeks, the safe bet was to bet on the persians.<br><br>Besides, and contrary to what is told in that horrible retarded piece of shit that is that fucking 300 mvoie abomination, the persian empire was actually the most tolerant nation on Earth. The greeks were extremely distrustful and looked down on ALL FOREIGNERS (it'as to them we have to thank for the word xenophobia), while the persians embraced foreingers into their midst, and treated all foreigners in their own empire was part of the family. to the point that even conquered people, they still retained the kings in their throne and let them rule, and only asked for taxes, men for amries and fealty to the king of kings. Which is the same thing that every american state does to the union flag. In the case of the persians, the flag was the king of kings himself. But the greeks, weither you were like them or you were a fucking worthless barbarian.<br><br>And then the spartans sold their asses to persian gold to wage war agasint other greeks. How fucking great those spartans were, so worthy of admiration! The funny shit is that the spartans of those days where the closest thing to what today would be called nazis.<br><br>And the fucking geek boys admired them, because of a fucking terrible movie that made a complete joke of any resemblence of history, for the sake of shallow dumb stupid badly though out action stuff. Fucking asses!!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by AsimovLives

    Nice try. but you got it wrong, it was Zack The Hack Snyder himself who said it.<br><br>And you know what's so funny? I actaully liked him because of his Dawn Of The Dead remake. I though he was actually an interesting talented newcomer. And thenhe makes that horrible piece of retard shit that is 300. And then he failed compeltly at his atempt to make a smart movie with Watchmen. This fucking dumb uncultured idiot is nearly 40 years old and thinks like a fucking 14! What the fuck is wrong with this fuck? How can anybody at his age still be this clueness and dumb and studip? What a fucking ass!!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    This talkback is fun

    by Jaka

    I love 300 and I like Watchmen. None of the complaints you guys are lobbing at 300 will change that. You know why? Because I never assumed, wanted or heard about it being "historically accurate". I'm not sure how you could have ever read the comic book or seen the trailer and though that it would be. But anyway, carry on. Because this talkback is fun. : )

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I'm with you Jaka

    by turketron_2

    Good times, and I never assumed or heard about it being historically accurate either. That shit was over the top and unreal.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Royston...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the issue here is that there was no commentary or perspective to contradict this "propoganda". In most movies where this tenchnique is used there is something WITHIN the film which suggests to the viewer that the narrator is unreliable. This was certainly not the case with 300. So I'm sorry but what you're saying seems less like a legitimate defense than it does an apologia. If you believe Snyder (and I liked both his DOtD remake and Watchmen) intended this in the film or Miller (and I posted about my love for his Daredevil run above) intended it in the book you must think them very climsy artists.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Haay guys, Should 300 or JJ's Star Trek rank higher?

    by turketron_2

    In the top 100 films of the decade?

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Oh right, I forgot the decade ends in 2010

    by turketron_2

    Because there was no year "0".<p><p> *skips away*

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I've been staying out of this, but...

    by Jaka

    ...but a very simple Yahoo search for "year zero" will lead you to the Wiki page for said search and you get this: <br><br>Year zero is not used in the widely used Gregorian calendar, nor in its predecessor, the Julian calendar. Under those systems, the year 1 BC is followed by AD 1. However, there is a year zero in astronomical year numbering (where it coincides with the Julian year 1 BC) and in ISO 8601:2004 (where it coincides with the Gregorian year 1 BC) as well as in all Buddhist and Hindu calendars.<br><br> In other words, both sides are right. And both sides have their panties way too bunched about it. lol

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Also, time is a trick

    by Jaka

    It's a man made construct. Because we MUST. CONTROL. EVERYTHING! Time, literally, doesn't exist. Think on that.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I am Herpes! Kneel before meh...

    by LimpdickSherlock

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    turketron_2

    by AsimovLives

    Both should be at the bottom of the toilet and then flushed, like the shit they are.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I expect disappointment

    by captzeep

    Considering the drama of the source material, "300" was pretty unimpressive. And that reminds me that "Watchmen" wasn't very impressive either. I loved the book and the film faithfully reproduced the book, but somehow didn't transmit the essence of it. If you can't get across the emotional essence it's just a waste of time.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, I give Snyder more credit than you do–

    by blakindigo

    — and we disagree on "Watchmen" but, I wouldn't dare attempt a defence of "300". I like the performances, the colour correcting the effects are fine and the pacing is tight. I just don't like the movie. It's a beautifully designed, superbly crafted painting about it's own technique lacking any content.

  • Dec. 17, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Jaka

    by AsimovLives

    You weren't paying attention. Even on Wikipedia there's quotes from Zack the Hack claiming for historical accuracy, which, as the movie went closer and closer to release, he back-tracked more and more. I guess even that fuck realised the whole pile of nonsense he made.<br>The real problem is not even the stylization. To use the movie's hyper-stylization as an excuse to go all fantasy shit on it just doesn't work. He could had been stylized and accurate as well. But the limited imagination of Zackl The Hack seems to not be able to have both. and the most devoted fanboys for the fucking movie seem to share his lack of imagination as well.

  • Dec. 17, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by AsimovLives

    I hear you.

  • Dec. 17, 2009, 4:39 a.m. CST

    FUNNY JOKE

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