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DOLLHOUSE Matches Season High & Low!! Friday Ratings!!

Published at: Dec. 15, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!! Friday 18-49 finals (previous Fridays in parentheses):

2.0 (1.5) (----) (1.5) (1.7) (----) (1.6) (1.7) (----) (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) Dateline 1.7 (----) (-----) (1.4) (1.6) (1.7) (1.4) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.2) (1.2) Law & Order 1.7 (1.6) (1.7) (1.8) (2.0) (2.8) (1.7) (1.6) (2.0) (1.5) (1.7) (2.3) 20/20 1.4 (1.2) (1.0) (1.3) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) The Jay Leno Show 1.4 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Big Bang Theory 1.3 (----) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Yes, Virginia 1.3 (1.2) (0.9) (----) (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (1.4) (----) (----) (----) Ugly Betty 1.2 (1.6) (1.1) (1.7) (1.7) (1.8) (1.7) (1.8) (1.8) (1.6) (1.6) (1.8) Numbers 1.2 (----) (0.9) (----) (1.4) (1.3) (1.3) (1.1) (----) (----) (----) (----) Supernanny 1.0 (1.8) (1.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) (2.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.1) Medium 1.0 (0.8) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Dollhouse (8pm) 0.8 (0.8) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (0.8) (----) (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) Dollhouse (9pm) 0.5 (0.8) (0.6) (1.1) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) Smallville

* Fox’s cancelled “Dollhouse” matched its season high at 8 p.m. and its season low at 9 p.m. Five more new hours remain of the series, including two airing this Friday. * With CBS in repeats and pre-emption, NBC’s “Law & Order” matched its 8 p.m. season high and emerged as the night’s top drama. * A Tiger Woods “Dateline” led the night and helped “Leno” to its best Friday number in seven weeks. * Thanks primarily to its Tuesday post-“Biggest Loser” show (and despite a record Wednesday low), “Leno” enjoyed its best weekly average since its third week on the air:

1.4 (1.2) (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) (5.3) Mon 2.9 (----) (1.9) (1.9) (1.9) (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) (3.4) Tue 1.3 (1.5) (1.6) (1.4) (1.4) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (1.9) (2.0) (3.5) Wed 1.6 (1.5) (1.5) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (2.7) Thu 1.4 (1.2) (1.0) (1.3) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) (2.2) Fri
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  • Dec. 15, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Time for a new ratings system

    by MattmanReturns

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Whedon's Next Show

    by DJJester

    Whedon needs to just jump over to SyFy where he'll get 5 years no matter what the ratings are and plan a series out to last all 5 years. He writes great characters and while I really didn't think Dollhouse was anything spectactular in its first season, I've loved everything from Epitaph One forwards.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    the second hour of DH was better than the first

    by ghost_matt

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Five years on SyFy...

    by Gislef_crow

    Whedon will only get five years if he writes for Stargate. Which would probably be an improvement.<p> What Whedon needs to do is go the J. Michael Straczynski route. Get out of TV, go heavily into comics & books, and work into theatrical movies. You got Whedon, Chris Carter, and JMS. They're all of an age, TV era/production-wise. Of the three of them, who is doing the best overall, and what is he doing to be that way.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    he gave Zombies a shot

    by punto

    with Firefly and Dollhouse, he gave zombies a shot, it didn't work out. It's understandable, since vampires got a bit tired and zombies became big for a while. But now they're back in, he needs to go back to vampires.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Ratings are redundant now

    by V'Shael

    And they were never an indication of quality.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    knowledge bombs will be dropped

    by Ryanbraun14

    mark my words.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Whedon probably doesn't know how to write a full show

    by TheWaqman

    anymore. LOL.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Never felt so okay about a fave being cancelled

    by doubleARon

    The first season was mostly disastrous with the gamble of wiping the main character every episode completely failing.<p> The second season has really proven that the premise and world are not only sound but ripe with drama and provocative ideas.<p> All that being said, I don't really want this to be drawn out for many years. It fits well into a two year stretch even though I think most of season one should have been condensed into a couple of episodes -- easy to see in hindsight.<p> I'm just hoping it ends solidly. At least we aren't getting the hasty dumping that the much stronger Firefly got with a bunch of unaired episodes hanging in limbo. <p> I wonder if they'll air Epitaph One before Epitaph Two since there are five hours left and they are doing things in two hour blocks now.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Dollhouse Schedule

    by buffywrestling

    Episodes 9/10, 'Stop Loss' and 'The Attic', December 18th 2009. Written by Andrew Chambliss | Maurissa Tancharoen & Jed Whedon <p> Episode 11 – 'Getting Closer', January 8th 2010. Written (and directed by) Tim Minear. <p> Episode 12 – 'The Hollow Men', January 15th 2010. Written by Michelle Fazekas & Tara Butters & Tracy Bellomo <p> Episode 13 [Series Finale] 'Epitaph: Return', January 22th 2010. Written by Maurissa Tancharoen & Jed Whedon & Andrew Chambliss.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Dollhouse also wraps filming tomorrow

    by buffywrestling

    *sadface* But it's not all bad. Things I'm looking forward to: <p> 'Stop Loss' - Double my pleasure; double my fun. Plus Kellerman is back. <p> 'The Attic' - The episode that was so undercover for fear of spoilers, cast/crew only got certain pages to work with. <p> 'Getting Closer' - River's back. And she's bringing friends. <p> 'The Hollow Men' - T. S. Eliot [Not the full poem] <p> I We are the hollow men <p> We are the stuffed men <p> Leaning together <p> Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! <p> Our dried voices, when <p> We whisper together <p> Are quiet and meaningless <p> As wind in dry grass <p> Or rats’ feet over broken glass <p> In our dry cellar <p> <p> Shape without form, shade without colour, <p> Paralysed force, gesture without motion; <p> Those who have crossed <p> With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom <p> Remember us—if at all—not as lost Violent souls, but only <p> As the hollow men <p> The stuffed men. <p> <p> Between the idea <p> And the reality <p> Between the motion <p> And the act <p> Falls the Shadow <p> <p> Between the conception <p> And the creation <p> Between the emotion <p> And the response <p> Falls the Shadow <p> Life is very long <p> Between the desire <p> And the spasm <p> Between the potency <p> And the existence <p> Between the essence <p> And the descent <p> Falls the Shadow <p> <p> This is the way the world ends <p> This is the way the world ends <p> This is the way the world ends <p> Not with a bang but a whimper.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Invictus

    by Media Messiah

    Invictus<BR><BR> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<BR><BR> Jump to: navigation, search For the 2009 film, see Invictus (film). For other uses, see Invictus (disambiguation). "Invictus" is a short poem by the English poet William Ernest Henley. It was written in 1875, and first published in 1888[1] in Henley's Book of Verses, where it was the fourth in a series of poems entitled Life and Death (Echoes).[2]It originally bore no title:[2] early printings contained only the dedication To R. T. H. B. -- a reference to Robert Thomas Hamilton Bruce (1846-1899), a successful Scottish flour merchant and baker who was also a literary patron.[3] The familiar title "Invictus" (Latin for "unconquered"[4]) was added by Arthur Quiller-Couch when he included the poem in The Oxford Book Of English Verse (1900).[5][6] <BR><BR> At the age of 12, Henley became a victim of tuberculosis of the bone. In spite of this, in 1867 he successfully passed the Oxford local examination as a senior student. His diseased foot had to be amputated directly below the knee; physicians had announced that the only way to save his life was to amputate. Henley persevered and survived with one foot intact. He was discharged in 1875, and was able to lead an active life for nearly 30 years despite his disability. With an artificial foot, he lived until the age of 53. The poem was written from a hospital bed. <BR><BR> Text<BR><BR> Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul. <BR><BR> In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. <BR><BR> Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid. <BR><BR> It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul. <BR><BR>

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    you guys hear that ticking?

    by Ryanbraun14

    i alluded to knowledge bombs, and they're about to go BOOM!

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Writing 101 for one thinking he can teach Writing 101

    by Ryanbraun14

    THIS LONG POST IS NOT MY WRITING—IT IS EXCERPTS FROM BOOKS – and should be interesting for those of you this isn’t aimed at, and at times so ridiculously applicable to you know who that its hilarious. <br><br> (Me) There’s two things *legitimate* aspiring writers almost always have in common. The first is that they are aware of the ASPIRING part of being an aspiring writer. The second is that (aside from the obvious act of writing every day) an aspiring writer is an AVID reader—OF BOOKS (not the internet, and watching TV and movies is never, ever, the primary source one studies). So here, are, excerpts for a certain talkbacker? <br><br> Now to the excerpts: <br><br> Calling yourself a writer? you might begin to believe the lie, and then you are doomed. if you have told your friends and family (or talkbackers) you are writing, they may keep asking about it, even if you have made no progress. so you fill them in on a plot breakthrough or a new character you have created. soon, instead of talking about what you have done, you find yourself talking about your writing so much, you feel its actually finished in your head and all you have left to do is type it out. <br><br> (written in caps and added exclaimation points for obvious reasons) AN IDEA FOR A MOVIE IS NOT A MOVIE!!! NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE IDEA IS!!! AND MANY ARE NOT VERY GOOD, UNFORTUNATELY!!! A SYPNOSIS, AN OUTLINE, A PILE OF NOTES IS NOT A SCRIPT!!! <br><br> they think that writing is a rote exercise and only the marketing, personal connections, or other business factors are how scripts are selected. they are like conspiracy buffs and cannot be dissuaded from their beliefs. <br><br> ego is the ancestral land of bad writing, where a hack thinks her quickly jotted prose, by its very nature, is the best thing ever written. this talkbacker sends it out into the world and confidently waits for the parade of studios to march up her street bearing million dollar advance checks. when this does not happen, which is every single time, the talkbacker feels like an unrecognized genius. <br><br> a talkbacker's first response to criticism is almost always defensiveness, which does not lead to anything constructive and makes the editor feel like a heartless jerk. when confronted with direct, blunt criticism, there is a natural reaction, especially when dealing in creative matters, to respond with denial. <br><br> odder are the scribes who are under the impression that it is an agent's or editors job to guide them through every rewrite or even do it for them. <br><br> many writers feel that they are instinctive artists who can craft moving stories, bold dialogue, and structured, clean paragraphs on the first draft. these writers have no use for training, no time for revision, and no chance of seeing the light of day. <br><br> before you've written the first scene, do you have a poster in mind? have you already come up with a sequel? have you settled on a perfect cast? have you spent more time telling people about the script you're writing than you have actually writing it? if the answer to any of these questions is yes, then you are not a writer--you are a talker. you may even be coming very close to being a blowhard. <br><br> great writers do not rest on their laurels and they do not ever feel they have produced their best work. they look for areas in which they have failed so they can improve and they want feedback that is honest and blunt. they know that biting criticism my hurt, but misguided praise can harm. <br><br> sadder than the writer who has wasted a lot of time or embarrassed himself is the author with a great story that has simply been told too many times to generate enough intrest and attention to justify being sold. <br><br> most of the 'nobody cares' scripts are copycats anyway. after tuesdays with morrie (Alias) was a success, a spate of imitations featuring young mixed up yuppies finding wisdom from the older generation poured in (alias-like-spy thrillers) while the industry is not shy about trying to repeat success, we know unrelated knock-offs are money losers, not to mention professionally embarrassing. <br><br> you are a copycat: some aspiring writers read a novel, watch television shows and movies, and notice the author's (intresting traits herE). most writers learn from these things, but some retype them into their computers and change the proper nouns. just because someone is having success writing a certain way with certain characters in a certain style does not mean you should 'borrow' their shrick. all writing has influences but copiers reach well beyond the homage toward blatant stealing. i see this alot in the thriller and mystery genres. (me: I can’t believe how directly applicable that sentence/example is) <br><br> it is hard to imagine someone who does not care about language writing a script, but it happens alot. i do not know whether these people have too much time on their hands or if they need to prove something. <br><br> you do not know grammar: writers who are seirous, even if only to themselves, give a damn about how they are saying what they are saying. they know and care about the rules gov erning the english language, even if it is only wiuth an intuitive sense. writers are hungry to learn what they do not know, especially about their craft. (me: QUESTION MARKS? COM,MAS?) <br><br> you do not care about syntax: syntax is the order a writer chooses to put his words in. easy, no? then music is just a bunch of notes in a certain order and art is just splotches and strokes on a canvas. (AGAIN?, COMMAS, QUESTION, MARKS???)

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

    by Ryanbraun14

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    what spoilers?

    by punto

    why would they care about spoilers for a show that's already canceled, nobody watches it, and we already know what will happen since we saw epitaph one?

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    On Joseph Campbell & Proper Story Structure In Drama

    by Media Messiah

    Cut and paste the following addresses into your web browsers...but take-out any space, or spaces, that may appear in the addresses before hitting the enter button on your computer keyboards, or you will be misdirected to an error messege.<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAfKyTLxV8&feature=related<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AG4rlGkCRU&feature=PlayList&p=9FA24F9D212BF4A3&index=0&playnext=1<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lffwAJ9jqgk<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHtzk9jyC2A&feature=PlayList&p=91FE3ABF1F21FF49&index=3<BR><BR>

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Amended--On Joseph Campbell & Proper Story Structure In Drama

    by Media Messiah

    Cut and paste the following addresses into your web browsers...but take out any space or spaces that may appear in the addresses before hitting the enter button on your computer keyboards or you will be misdirected to an error messege.<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAfKyTLxV8&feature=related<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AG4rlGkCRU&feature=PlayList&p=9FA24F9D212BF4A3&index=0&playnext=1 <BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lffwAJ9jqgk<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHtzk9jyC2A&feature=PlayList&p=91FE3ABF1F21FF49&index=3<BR><BR>

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM...Back Out You

    by Media Messiah

    Like a cat (a lion, at that) playing with a mouse(Hi, Mickey).

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Y, Because I Like You

    by Media Messiah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNK5KzI48mM

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Dollhouse was filming ep 11

    by buffywrestling

    when it was cancelled. So yes, at the time they did care about spoiler leaks. They most likely still do, as I've seen less about 'The Attic' floating around than anything else.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Furgive My Immature Counter Attack Against You

    by Media Messiah

    I let myself sink to your level...for a moment. No matter, you should study Joseph Campbell and his views.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Oops...That's...Forgive

    by Media Messiah

    My dyslexia is getting the best of me tonight?

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Talk about passive-aggressive...

    by V'Shael

    from an "apology". <p> "Oh please forgive me for momentarily being as big a douche as you are, all the time." <p> As subtle as a fart to the face.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST

    My Apology

    by Media Messiah

    Actually, it was not a full apology, and I am sorry for that too, as I don't wish to dehumanize anyone, even jokingly. We simply disagree about the approach to how a TV series was executed, that is no reason for me to show disrespect to another human being. I will debate views, but I don't wish to hurt anybody, no matter how lightly.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST

    NewsFlash: No one cares about Dollhouse Herc.

    by I_Sharted

    Get over it. The show sucks. It's not the fault of the network it's your fault for thinking it's worthy of being on TV just because you're a fanboy.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    deadhouse

    by loonatic

    the past few episodes have been watchable. neither sad nor glad it's going away

  • "... at 8 p.m. and its season low at 9 p.m. Five more new hours remain of the series, including two airing this Friday."<p>So, the difference between Season High and Season Low is 0.2? It may not get great ratings but at least they are (relatively) consistent.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    FOX Bought a Lot of Goodwill With Me...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...over how they handled this. You can't blame them for canceling it, but they let Whedon film an end for it. That's all I ever ask when they cancel a show. And they're not waiting till the summer to air them. Also a plus. That makes me a lot more likely to try new shows.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    @Maltheus - Agree with that.

    by V'Shael

    I wouldn't mind the frequent cancellations *as* *much* (though I would still be annoyed) if they gave the creators time to finish the show and made sure they didn't end on a cliff-hanger.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Fox has gotten better.

    by Jayemel

    With their management over the last few years. They've introduced a lot of good shows and attempted to find ways to work within trends, yet give them their own twist.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    READING

    by Ryanbraun14

    Media Messiah: difference between my boom and yours: you cite INTERNET sources, whereas I cite BOOK EXCERPTS. If you READ like all writers should, then you should have quoted from 'The Hero's Journey' or 'The writer's journey.' Both of which I have read because I don't take shortcuts.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Don't understand the difference between hr 1 and 2

    by frozen01

    Why would you invest an hour to watch the first episode and not hang around for the second? Past their bedtimes or something? Last week's Dollhouse was the best of the entire series... both episodes. If they'd gotten to them sooner, the show probably would not have been cancelled, since we can now see how deep the rabbit hole goes, if you will.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Dollhouse was filming ep 11

    by punto

    when it was OFFICIALLY canceled. But they knew it'd get canceled after the first episode of the season aired.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by Ryanbraun14

    oh yeah, Media Messiah: what THE HELL does joseph campbell youtube clips have to do with ANY of the excerpts I posted? Ok, lets say that you have read The Heroes Journey (but i'm willing to bet you haven't read it but have seen 'The Power of Myth'). The quotes I posted are about BEING A WRITER and dispell the points you make (such as your denial about how the industry works--connections, and how a synopsis does NOT make you a writer, etc.) Name dropping Campbell doesn't really prove much other than you have read a single book of required reading as a college sophmore. Its not about only the big, must read books. Its moreso about the desire and effort you put into reading everything you can to keep learning, as opposed to babbling on and on about how you are a writer and make challenges in a pointless effort to try and prove you are talented.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    @Frozen01

    by V'Shael

    They probably wanted to watch something else when the second hour of Dollhouse was on. They might have thought Dollhouse was the best thing on from 8-9, but not from 9-10. <p> Not being negative here, but you seem to exhibit the same thinking that is behind "lead-in" shows. That is, you seem to think that if someone is watching a network between 8-9, then they'll probably be watching the same network from 9-10. And I just don't get that line of reasoning at all.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Which "they" are you refering too?

    by buffywrestling

    Are you talking about Mutant Enemy or the fans? Cause fans thought the show was going to be cancelled 8 months before it aired.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    more stuff for MM to shamelessly ignore.

    by Ryanbraun14

    The evil twin of dedication is stubbornness. With bulletiin boards for writers (key point: aintitcool doesn't count), writers personal web sites, werters' conferences and especially writing workshopos, there are many oopportunities for a writer to volunteer his work as a literary pinata for others to take whacks at. And eventually, the writer can retreat into a defensive shell where nothing, at least nothing he admits, gets through. Then there are the batches of encouraging rejection slips that tell the writer the work is almost there, if only you'd change everything. AFter months or years of enduring conflicting advice, phony enthusiasm and cold rejection, the writer has become entrenched in the idea that the only one who can be trust3ed with his work is himself. So when he gets real direction, he dismisses it, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.<br><br>Some writers who have been at the gates too long and tacked up an impressive rejection slip collection have a very different view of the industry. They counterattack rejection by bashing the industry from the outside. They are proud of their work and secretly, and sometimes not so secretly, think it is better than most, if not all, of their contemporaries'. They do not think, upon getting a rejection slip, 'perhaps my writing isn't good enough yet. maybe i should work on it some more.' They think 'what ddo those friggin candy-asses know. My writing is better than most of that junk out there.' The industry today, they feel, is to produce garbage and not let anythging great get published because it would upset the status quo and possibly lead to consumer reveolution, endargering the profitability of the pap.<br><br>Ambition and dedication are nto syn onymous; they can even be diametrically opposed. AMBITION IS ABOUT YOU; DEDICATION IS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. If your goal is to be a famous, rich powerfulw writer, I have no advice for you. <br><br>Holding strong views and being self-confident is fine, but letting bitterness and anger paralyze you will kill your career before it starts. The industry is what it is, and if you want to be a part of it, you have to accept its failinga s well as its attributes.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    ^^^the above post

    by Ryanbraun14

    to make it clear: the above post adn the even longer one near the top are not my words, but excerpts from books i read. These excerpts have been hand picked from countlessd pages of books i've read to oppose the garbage media messiah tries convincing us of, because he does all his research on the internet, taking short cuts, not writing every day, denying education, conspiracy theories about the industry, and of course, shamelessly selective when regarding things that do not fit with his misguided, uneducated, and uninformed opinions and delusions that he believes all of us should take as gospel.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I'm refering to whoever thinks

    by punto

    keeping spoilers secret is necessary. so probably mutant enemy (also, your question makes no sense, because there are no fans. that's why it's getting canceled)

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Not "no fans"

    by buffywrestling

    I think there is three.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    And those three got together

    by buffywrestling

    and made this: http://j.mp/dollhousethanks

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    That was very cool

    by V'Shael

    Though I think they should have sprung for the extra 20 bucks or so and had proper book version done from the pdf instead of a binder. Technology can do that now.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Three reasons why Dollhouse failed:

    by johnnyangelheart

    1) I'll give Whedon credit for having a clear vision what the show was all about, but he sure took his sweet time letting the rest of us know, too long to hold our interests through 2) the numerous standalone episodes in the first season that barely advanced the overall show but bogged it down in silly meaningless stories and situations that were 3) beyond the acting ability of Eliza Dushku to portray.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Johnnyangel: those are 3 very good reasons

    by V'Shael

    Makes sense to me anyway

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I think it was kinds down to the wire

    by buffywrestling

    They only started the idea on the day it was canceled [nov 11] & gave them the book on dec 4. Any xtra funds that they raised they gave to Equality Now.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    JohnnyAngel: Exactly, And That Has Been My Point All Along

    by Media Messiah

    The second half of Season 2, should have been the first half of Season 1. You have to hook the viewers from the starting gate of a new series, and then once you have them hooked and fully aware of what you are trying to convey in regard to plot, the characters, who they are, who their foes and allies are, and what their struggle is...then, and only then, are you free to make detours, but until that point, you, the creator of the show...and your writers, will only leave the audience clueless...unless you fully establish the rules of the show and the conflicts therein.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    What, Media Messiah?

    by Ryanbraun14

    I can understand ignoring the things *I* try to tell you, kind of a 'what the hell do you know, and why should i care what you have to say, Ryanbraun14.' But that doesn't really work with excerpts from books that directly disprove things you say. I'm disappointed, as it did take a bit of time to choose those excerpts.<br><br>But whatever, your silence and selective reading means that you have forfeited your right to ever say something like 'Writing 101'<br><br>I took the time to choose those excerpts to try to show you how some things you say are wrong, and maybe you could learn a few things. Instead, you treat the effort I put in as you would if I was bashing you and attacking you. I chose those excerpts to be civil and fair when trying to show you how some things you say here, rather pedantically, are not true. Really lowers my opinion about you, which was already low. You have denial issues and no desire to educate yourself. You'll never make it as a writer with the attitude and stubborness and refusal to admit you may be wrong on some things. Good luck, MM, you're going to need it.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Ryanbraun14: The First Joseph Campbell Video Is...

    by Media Messiah

    ...my only reply to you with respect to writing. I came from his school of advice, in terms of writing. I standby that, and if you disagree, that is perfectly okay.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    thanks, Media Messiah

    by Ryanbraun14

    thanks for wasting 10 minutes and 11 seconds of my life. PLEASE, tell me what ANY PART of that clip has to do with any of the excerpts I posted...<br><br>You're from Campbell's school of advice? Good for you, that has nothing to do with what i posted, but good for you. Since you are a devotee of his school of advice, do me a favor and prove it. How? Couldn't get any easier: post a paragraph from page 123 of 'A Hero's Journey.' SURELY, if you write from his school of advice you have read his book (which I own) and if you are a really good student from his school of advice, you will have also read 'A writer's journey' which I also own. Watching clips on youtube and even watching 'the power of myth' is a cheap shortcut and cannot ever come close to the depth found in his book, and the book devoted to and expands upon, his book.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Ryanbraun14: I Am Not Going To Argue With You Anymore

    by Media Messiah

    We just disagree--but it is not worth me assailing you, or you assailing me, simply because we believe in different methods of arriving at the same point of execution within a given art form.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    one day

    by Ryanbraun14

    one day you're going to need to be honest with yourself. no suprise your girl left you for someone who can give her what she needs. you can't even give yourself what you need, and you refuse to see this. one day you're going to wake up and think 'in those hundreds and hundreds of hours i spent on aintitcool, i could have been actively learning, reading and polished a script someonbe would want to buy.'

  • Dec. 17, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    @Ryan :

    by V'Shael

    I thought you were engaging MM for your own amusement, not to try and help him. <p> As was said oh-so-long ago, people in his position cannot be helped because they fundamentally don't see that there's anything wrong with themselves (yet). He has to come to that conclusion first, on his own. (Kind of like an alcoholic reaching rock bottom.) Some alco's never do, and their liver fails, and that's it. And with some mental disorders, they never do, and nothing good comes from it.<p> Don't waste your own time on this one.

  • Dec. 17, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    The best part about this talkback...

    by The Dude Abides

    ...Is reading Ryan's and MM's posts and wondering if they are the same person.

  • Dec. 17, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    We Are The Same Person

    by Media Messiah

    You caught us--me, I mean...we!!!Ryanbraun14 is my alter ego, and is the mastermind of all of this, like Fight Club. We, I mean, I...was just waiting for someone to figure it out. I, uh, we...sure had V'Shael completely fooled!<BR><BR>Cut and paste the address link below into your web browser, but edit out any space or spaces that appear in the address before you hit enter on your computer keyboards or your will be redirected to an error message. <BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2tcy6qndy4

  • Dec. 18, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    I don't think I've been fooled by a single thing

    by V'Shael

    you've said, dude. You might be more messed up than I fear, but you couldn't possibly be less.