Dec. 14, 2009, 5:04 a.m. CST
But I'm loving universe, yet in a sick twisted world Atlantis gets 4 season and universe will prob get cancelled halfway thru the 2nd season
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST
The show is called Stargate Universe. Having watched SG-1 I think of Stargate as an exploration and military combat show; both of which are missing from Universe. Give it one or the other and it will do well.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST
There's too much talking in SGU.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST
in way that doesn't.<p> It's Stargate, a franchise that HAS to be milked, no matter how shit it is.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST
Hopefully they will do something interesting with rush and his new found alien ship/tech. <p> Colonel Young is the only character on the show so far that I like.He has no problem beating the crap out of someone (or leaving them to die on a planet) who crosses him.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST
Is the stupid stargate fans who loved atlantis but hate Universe just because its different (neither are great). Stargate has become what Trek was -- and thats not a good thing.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:43 a.m. CST
compared to other shows. But it's still not returning the same sort of viewship they expected. <p> Ironically, it's probably the most mature of the Stargate shows.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:45 a.m. CST
but there's no soul behind it beyond a studio mandate.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:54 a.m. CST
It's not bad. I just wonder when something is going to actually happen.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST
In the sense that they are laying a lot of groundwork, and things appear to be slow. But that's the way really good mythology shows can start. <p> Look at what the long term plotlines that have been laid, are : <p> They can communicate with home, but Earth can't impose it's will. For gods sake, that's the same thing that let Stephen King go nuts for 1000 pages in "Under the Dome". <p> They are treating resource issues seriously, unlike say Voyager, or to a lesser extent "Lost". <p> The ship is in bits, (no "Liberator" here) and not likely to be repaired so we won't see a TNG/Spaceship type show. <p> The ship has some sort of shuttles on the surface, one of which left the ship with person(s) unknown aboard it. <p> The big brain on the show, the one most of the crew would pin their hopes on to get them home, turns out to be not just difficult to work with, but possibly an amoral psycho. Who's now been left behind. (I don't read spoilers, so that fucking blew me away.) <p> That's a LOT of groundwork to lay in 8 or 9 episodes, which could pay off big time down the line.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST
I think the weakest episodes are the ones with the crew in contact with Earth. I like the whole deal with the Colonel's wife having an affair with the asshole guy who keeps trying to impose his will on the crew.<p>"Time" was a really great episode. It needs more like that one. "Justice" was also great and had a great cliffhanger.<p>I agree with V'Shael though. It's building its mythology up for what's to come.<p>I like Rush too. Robert Carlyle was a great choice for that character.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST
Oh good...more Stargate...yawn.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST
don't understand with low ratings like that they are both on the air still. Sanctuary is the better show of them both. I miss sci-fi action shows, why do we have drama crap these days in sci-fi is beyond me.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST
nuff said ...
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST
by Conqueror Worm
Do you want to make it any clearer?</p> SGU had the lowest ratings on that particular Friday, so therefore it must be cancelled!</p> I'm afraid I'm not with you on that one, many shows have had poor ratings but have been great TV.</p> SGU has had some great reviews and buzz on the blogs following certain episodes, namely 'Time' and 'Light', Sci-Fi at it's best some say. The problem is every other episode is a filler (which I think the writers will learn from).</p> The reason the ratings hit a low was because the 9th Episode 'Life' was about as filler as they come, then there was a week off for Thanksgiving and then the Mid-Season Finale 'Justice' - which was actually one of the best episodes so far, and a great ending, a great, great ending.</p> So I for one am glad it has a second chance. Ratings or no.</p> p.s. My favourite show is MAD MEN! (consistantly gets 0.7 or 0.8 according to these type of ratings figures)
Dec. 14, 2009, 7 a.m. CST
SGU improved as the season went along. I am missing something but I thought "Lost Room" was terrible. Poorly written and poorly acted.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST
what people would recommend as under-rated hits? Doesn't have to be on the air right now. I had a brief mention of Odyssey 5 on a previous talkback, which was a great show. Sanctuary I've seen mentioned here, but know nothing about it other than it started as a Web series, and has Amanda Tapping in it. <p> So if anyone wants to throw some unusual, perhaps not well known and under-rated scifi series my direction, I'd appreciate it.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST
Now that it's been discovered that the 9th symbol goes to a 100,000 year old space ship, why do any of the "conspirators" who attacked in the pilot episode care anymore? The tech is better in Atlantis and the Pegusus Galaxy anyway. Closer, too.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST
We don't know why the Lucian Alliance attacked in the pilot, or what their goals were. <p> We don't know that they care anymore. <p> So I'm not sure what it is you don't understand.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST
it's still on. the lost room was ok at best. if it was made into a series, even cutting the budget by 1 penny woulda made it suck like when they picked up sliders. come on herc, get with it. quit crying for years about failed shows. great shows and shitty shows get canned. buffy was getting long in the tooth, but angel mighta had one or two more great years. we get it. stargate universe sucks compared to sg-1 season's 1-5. but maybe is better than the dull sg-1 seasons 7-10. atlantis could have been cool if left to it's own mythos but was just retread sg-1 formulaic crap. i made a T-shirt that says "SYFY: imagine greater... expect WAY less" and "SYFY: imagine greater, because our stuff ain't that great" TV is business, they don't care about you. heroes' ratings suck, but they are making crazy money on it. maybe it goes on for another year. lost is nearly over, galactica is over. someday those voids will probably get filled. farscape was outstanding, but you bashed it, like it was beneath you. the lexx was actually pretty good, but you avoided it. firefly was cool, but fox killed it. skiffy couldn't afford it. relax. there's always a new show to come along.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST
Anybody see sci-fi wire's report on the most watched Timeshifted programmes. That's those that are not watched live but recorded, downloaded and watched via the Internet. Surprise surprise out of the top 10 there were 7 sc-fi or genre shows. Let's just digest that. 7 out of 10. Not a reality show in sight. Thanfully these ratings will be incorporated in future. Ironically a number of these shows have since been cancelled. Whilst crap like American Idol limps on. Oh just wait until Cowell unleashes the X-factor on you. Anyway here is the list. 1. Battlestar Galactica (Syfy)—59.4% 2. Mad Men (AMC)—57.7% 3. Damages (FX)—56.3% 4. Rescue Me (FX)—53.2% 5. True Blood (HBO)—46.9% 5. Stargate Universe (Syfy)—46.9% 7. Sanctuary (Syfy)—45.9% 7. Heroes (NBC)—45.9% 9. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox)—45.5% 10. 10 Things I Hate About You (ABC Family)—44.9% 10. Dollhouse (Fox)—44.9% 10. Melrose Place (CW)—44.9% We live in hope that tv might just start to reflect what people actually watch instead of what your average teenage girl dictates we watch.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST
two for me...I love both SGU and Sanctuary, so I'm pleased as punch. Now if only SYFY would pick up Dollhouse it would be the greatest Friday night TV viewing in sci-fi history.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST
we get a talkback taking a shot at Universe. Talk about one-sided. Universe is doing AWESOME considering the channel it's on. If the good writing/stories continue, it will go at least 5-10 years.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST
They haven't dropped the Lucian Alliance plotline- we don't know what their motivations were yet, but they will play a role later on in the season. As far as ratings go- SGU has averaged 2.6 million viewers each week. Justice was a series low, but it had a poor episode and a holiday break working against it as well as high ratings competition like the Monk finale. Cooper (the producer) has said you'll see some changes to the show on the back-half of season 1, as many conversations that have taken place about the show on the internet (not enough aliens, too much Earth drama and not enough stories on the ship/offworld, etc) took place in the writer's room long ago, so they did adjust as they went along.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST
and I never watch it on Friday night, always via dvr, so I can easily believe the statistics The Red Avenger gave us.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST
In many ways SGU is the show that Voyager should have been. <P> I remember in the early episodes of Voyager they were desperate for trade and the like, even having a limited number of photon torpedoes. Something quickly forgotten over the seasons. <P> SGU needs a shot in the arm though, it can be desperately dull at times. But episodes like Justice were simply amazing. <P> The masterstroke, was getting Robert Carlyle to play Dr Rush. An outstanding actor, playing a wondefully multi sided role. Unfortunately most of the other characters are worthless, apart from Rush, Young and TJ, the rest are just cannon fodder.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9 a.m. CST
Great points on the changing of viewing habits - you can have a successful show these days without great TV numbers. I really like SGU but have not watched one episode "live". I usually watch it 3-5 days after it airs. <p> I also wonder what the impact of Hulu, Apple TV and other on demand type outlets are on the true viewership of this show. They must be pretty good given the fact its been picked up. <p> I have managed to watch the first 4 seasons of SG-1 on Hulu the past few months. I am not sure why there is a fair amount of hate for SGU from the old guard. SG-1 seems to be an alien of the week model with a loose overriding story arc they work in for 3-5 episodes a season. Its not like SG-1 was the best scifi series ever created. It seems that over 50% of the stand alone SG-1 stories of are right out of the Star Trek and ST:TNG scripts. And People forget that SG-1 had way too many "someone gets sick and the doctor needs to cure them" episodes based 100% at the earth bunker/base. For these fans to freak out about SGU being mainly ship bound for its first 10 episodes is laughable. These people have short memories. Give the show a chance to breathe for gods sake. <p> That said I would like to see SGU strike a better balance of having more off world adventures and stop heading home to earth via the stones every other episode.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST
meant that the show underwent HUGE changes over the 10 years. You couldn't possibly compare the episodes in Season One against the ones in Season Ten. So if you've only caught the first 4 seasons on Hulu, you've really only seen the first incarnation of the show, say. The days when Apophis and other Goa'uld were the bad guys. <p> You've got the Ascencion seasons ahead, with Anubis. The rise of Earth as an intersteller power. And then finally the Ori invasion. <p> In each case, what with cast changes and so on, they are practically different shows.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST
by Conqueror Worm
I'm not a big fan of TV Sci-Fi, in fact before Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica I despised it!</p> HBO and AMC for me all the way.</p> But I saw the trailer for SGU, because AICN posted it, and it looked intriguing, especially as Robert Carlyle was in it.</p> It does fill the gap that Battlestar left, darker sci-fi drama.</p> You can tell the writers have the passion for this stuff, on the budget they have they weave good sci-fi concepts, they fully deserve a second season.</p> So, until HBO commit to a sci-fi series I'm here to stay and enjoy Dr Rush cracking rocks around Col Young's head.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST
by Ray Gamma
It has had some great sci fi ideas in it so far oo, but they do need to stop 'visiting' earth, because that device is defeating the whole purpose of the series.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST
Just finished the first season of B5. I see what you're saying about setting things up but I'm still loving it (B5). Really excited that things are going to escalate...
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST
...SGU is Syfy's second highest rated show behind Ghost Hunters regardless of whether it is the least watched show on Friday's or not.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST
Unless they grow a set and go all Khan like with Roush after what they did.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST
More SyFy programming I won't watch. Neat-o!
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST
by Martin Hogg
People do seem to forget that the first season of Star Trek The next Generation was almost complete rubbish (Angel One anyone?). Apart from the filler episodes mentioned above, which were.....fucking awful, i'd say the rest of the season so far has been pretty solid, and very entertaining, beats the pants off Atlantis, in my opinion. (thats right, i didnt use the acronym, so shoot me) They need to focus a little less on character development. Just a teensy bit. To make room for a tiny bit more action.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST
It makes you wonder how cable channels can turn these profits with such "low" rated shows, but the networks need 3 or 4 times these ratings to be successful. No wonder the networks keep losing their share.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST
DVR/TimeShifting/Hulu/iTunes/downloading/etc is what has been hurting TV shows for years. Not to mention that people are waiting for shows to develop before getting into them now. Why get into a show only to have it cancelled mid-season on a cliffhanger...DVR it and see it later if they complete the season. Thankfully, some execs are starting to realize this and are looking at how to take it into account. Last I heard, if you DVR it it only counts if you watch it in the first 24 hours, not sure if that's still true. As for SGU, it has potential, just get them off the ship and do some exploration, find alien life, etc.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST
has done just that. Wow this show is bad, as in actually bad, not good. Oh how I wish they had just kept SG-1 going. And judging by these ratings, I bet sci-fi (syfy whatthefuckever) wishes the same.
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST
but ever since the 90s feature film I sort of dismissed the franchise as another series with "alien of the week" goofiness. However, after several people at my office suggested I check out Universe I have decided to give it a shot. <P> I still like the stargate concept, and I think overall this is a better execution of the idea, even if it is somewhat "safe" storytelling with a clear nod to BSGs look and feel. But, the addition to Carlyle is a good thing no doubt. <P> I will see if I can do the first season.
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST
Done better. I think the show has had a great setup the 1st half of this season. Really glad it's getting a chance. Rush is the new and improved Zachary Smith! Can't wait to see where they take it.
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST
Stall for time because the boss don't got not clue what to do.
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST
Hardcore intensity in every ep. <P> No mistakes. No stalling. No filler eps. <P> Move it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <P> You can't deliver, get out of the way. Other people have scripts.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST
still using the SGA premise that requires the people to be really stupid and then suddenly really smart to get in and out of each crisis.<p>And the stupid soap opera shit with the communication stones--puh-thet-ick. <p>Seriously, they could rotate the best experts they have onto the ship, but it is used to let a power hungry guy try to assume command all the time, sleep with the guys wife, and to let the senator's daughter go clubbing?<p>Did the writers watch Heroes way back when Claire used her hero powers to humiliate the cheer squad leader so she could get herself on the squad, and then they said "ooooh, that IS clever writing and character development--we must do something like it in SGU!"<p>And the thing with Rush--he has not one quality that will make him worth the trouble he causes, is utterly untrustworthy, and NO DOUBT he will be like Sylar--he should die and be gone, but the gutless writers won't commit to anything.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST
they lost two actresses, and the new story lines have just been dull. I can't speak to the last 3 episodes, though, as I couldn't get motivated to watch them and dumped them off the dvr.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST
It's been too long now for it to get a series. Move on.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST
1) Get them off the ship. 2) They need a big bad to fight. 3) Get the blond and the dark-haired army chick naked. NOW.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST
The one disconnected and random episode of the season. A gimmicky idea like that should have been given another episode set-up (other than the water one), been made a two or three parter, been placed well after episode 20 or so, and been a lot more clever. Just saw the episode positively mentioned by name a few times and I have to disagree.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST
Why the love for that piece of shit? I loved SG-1 and just couldn't watch ATLANTIS, it was just too painful. UNIVERSE has been slow at times, but on the whole quite good. The only flaw is Bobby Carlyle's bad attempt to disguise just how Scottish his accent truly is, as a Scot I cringe a little when I hear it, but he's still the best character on the show. To those complaining about there not being enough eps taking place off of the ship, well I'd say that's one of the more 'realistic' aspects of the show. Space is a biiiiiiig empty place, and even at FTL speed you wouldn't be visiting planets every 5 minutes. It also adds dramatic tension to the whole thing if there is always an element of worry that supplies will run out, it's not like STAR TREK, there's no replicator type magic kitchen to keep feeding you forever!
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST
by Bill Clay
She never watched SG-1 or Atlantis, but she likes SGU. "It's like a CW show, all about relationships with cute guys!"<p> Somewhere out there Jack O'Neill is crying.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST
Oh fuck man, I envy you. <p> I remember when I didn't know anything about Season 2. God damn, you've got some INCREDIBLE fucking shows ahead of you in Season 3. :) <p> Do yourself a favour and try to remain spoiler-free as this show was responsible for some of the biggest TV shocks I've ever seen.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST
The characters are completely forgetable aside from Rush, the kid, the Colonel, and the girl with the amazing rack. Oh, and Ming Na, who has been amazingly annoying in everything she has ever done since ER. They don't even have functions so I can't identify people by what they do. The show doesn't make a bit of sense - the in the first episode they find a couple of areas that are so poorly shielded that they are letting air out, yet a few episodes later (they were hoping we would forget) the shields are strong enough to fly into a star to recharge the ship. Riiiiiiight. This is Star Trek Voyager (the worst of the spin-offs by far), but not as good. I'm not a huge fan of the SG line of shows though I wouldn't call myself a hater either, but none of the others were ever this offensively bad. Cheesey, silly, pedestrian, simplistic - maybe some of those. But SGU is just a turd.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST
were covered quite well in the dialog. They just focus on it. I think you've just become used to SF shows spoonfeeding you every snippet of necessary info in many layers of on-screen dialog. (Which is fine if you're going for the casual viewer.) <p> It's also why in other SF shows they'll spend a LOT of time with characters names, appearing in credits, on screen, and being used in dialog. <p> So again, it's no wonder you're having difficulty remembering them in SG:U. They don't appear on screen and in credits etc.. <p> SG:U is a show which rewards paying attention. Maybe it's not your cup-of-tea, but that doesn't make it shit.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST
God damn it, virtually my whole point becomes unrecognisable when that key word is omitted, and that's the one fucking word I leave out....
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST
for example, on the ice planet the search for water ice follows the same plot device that the search for carbon-scrubbing sand occurred on the sand planet: test, fail, test, fail, time running out, test, fail, test fail. Finally successful test, only to have the guy with the bad back loading ice while the young strong guy sits around running tests and falls in a crevasse, so that (big heroic drama moment) the guy with the bad back can pull him out. YAWN. And they hauled enough ice to amount to maybe 100 gallons of water.<p>They waste the communication stones on soap opera R&R plots, instead of sending experts to the ship who can increase the efficiency of analyzing data: no, well just let The Kid be the main guy after Rush.<p>I really wanted to like this show--decent cast, good production values, but the writing is sub-par, still SGA level stuff. I think the Stargate saga would have ended well with SG1, but SGA and SGU are taking it down the same path that Voyager and Enterprise took Star Trek.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3 p.m. CST
V thanks for the post - i am looking forward to seeing all 10 seasons of SG-1 - just got Seasons 5-6 for under $14.00/season on DVD if you can believe that. <p> My point was only that people are awfully quick to judge the new show based on a small data set. I like both series, SG-1 so far through 4 seasons and SGU has shown some very good promise and my bet is the writers have been hearing the criticisms and will hopefully make some needed changes when they can. <p> With the lack of any real good new sci-fi these days I will take the ride with SGU. And I'm glad I never watched SG-1 so I still have 6 seasons of that to enjoy
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST
At least you didn't go all "AMENDED" on us. Kudos for that :-)
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST
We could have had 10 season of Farscape and been in a 5 season of BSG. I'm not going to hate on SG:U, I watch it, but I can't see why they would cancel critcally acclaimed shows that get better ratings. Hell, they could have kept SG: Atlantis.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST
You got past the slow first season and you still have B5 seasons 3 and 4 ahead of you??? You'll want to make sure you don't get hit by any cars cause that's some of the best TV ever made. I hope nobody has spoiled the good parts for you. A lot of people can't get past the rough edges, but that show has had me on my feet cheering more than any other.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST
is on track for it's mid 2nd season cancellation<p> Right now it's benefiting from fans of the 1st two series<br> Right now they're sticking it out hoping SG Phew evolves into something other than fan service and soap opera plots<p> But they'll drop en mass early next season<p> SG: Phew will suffer a rating unrecoverable ratings plunge<br> And during the 2nd season mid season break it'll be announced that it won't be renewed for a 3rd season
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST
Sex Scenes In SppppppppppACE Recycled crew quarters. A ship without a joystick! (Hey go over to that planet, I CAN'T) Shakey Camera Syndrome (SCS) Do I like this show no, the 0.5 rating makes me VERY happy. I also didn't like Atlantis either. SGU - Looks like BSG, has the cast of Voyager.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST
Our breakup was too painful to discuss, please don't bring it up again. <p> On a good note Netflix streaming content has Farscape so with my new BluRay player I can watch again and again.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST
Just a quick question on B5 <p> I tried to watch B5 movie "the gathering" on Hulu last week and the music was awful. I don't remember the music being that big of a distraction. Did they re edit the soundtrack at some point?
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
...is that Stargate's primary audience has never been the 18-49 demographic so cherished by genre television execs.<p> I've worked escort and security with the Stargate cast at a ton of conventions all over the US and Canada for the last several years. The people that come to these cons and spend $$BANK$$ to see the cast and get autographs and photo-ops are not 18-49 scifi geeks. The audience is primarily middle-aged women.
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST
No more of the stupid earth drama via the stones... I really don't give a shit. "Justice" was a great episode, I liked the cliffhanger. More episodes like that and I can enjoy the show. Oh, and get rid of Chloe or do something to make her interesting. Oh, and more Grier.
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST
The Gathering was the pilot for the series, done about a year before the show was made. And as such there are many many differences in it. Delenn was androgynous/male, some of the staff were different, Minbari voices were different, etc... <p> And yes, the composer was different. And if memory serves, it was Stephen Copeland of "The Police" fame. I could be mistaken. <p> For the main series, they got Christopher Franke to do the music and he was pretty fucking awesome. <p> He stays with the show up to the end of Season 5, so enjoy.
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST
SGU is a good looking show, and the cast is generally solid, but nothing about the show rescues it from being a dreadful bore. The pieces are there to have something special, but I feel like I'm watching almost the exact same episode every week. Sanctuary has shown flashes of potential, but tends to focus on the least interesting elements of the show. If it focused more on John Druitt and the daughter, it could be great, but he's barely present and she is (apparently) dead. The show has a lot of trouble with its internal logic, and the male lead is usually dull as a post. Farscape was a show with balls. Not everything always worked, but they weren't afraid to swing for the fences. I rewatched "Nerve" and "The Hidden Memory" on Netflix last week - freakishly good tv. BSG is the only space show this decade that has had episodes in that ballpark.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST
and so is that Will dudes hair piece. lol.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST
The army chick with the huge norks, well, she got them out in a Masters of Horror ep. Big. Also, Rhona Mitra is listed on IMDB as making an appearance next year. I'm sold. Stop complaining. If you don't like it, don't watch it - stop bitching.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST
by Damien Chowder
his stupid shoes he travelled in. That's SGU.
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST
it's interesting watching them drive a franchise into the ground<p> It's also interesting watching the 12 yo's that now run *syfy* ruin everything they touch<br> Alice being the latest thing they butchered<p> I foresee the upcoming Riverworld being a true abomination
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST
then they made it all because of ancient vampire scientist wizard god kings and I gave the TV the finger and don't tune in anymore
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST
Typical scifi executive programming. Fuckers. Sorry, I really don't feel like being more eloquent about it at the moment.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7 p.m. CST
by Conqueror Worm
Was the best episode so far.</p> I was very stand alone, but that was the point, I loved reading up on the episode the next day, there was utter confusion from many... 'what just happened?' and 'will the next episode explain it all for me?'</p> Genius.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST
Elroy's declaration of nerd love to the Summer Glau wanabe chick was hard to take<br> Esp when it turned out that he was talking to a corpse
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST
They're ten episodes in and nothing's happened. You need to come up with something to do a television show, let's see, what is it...oh, right: A PLOT! But I guess we really need more of bland, interchangeable actors bitching at each other and trying to fix the air conditioner.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST
With little exposition, SyFy could broadcast that episode as part of an anthology and it would be entertaining. Well, I found it intriguing.<p> I cannot say the same for the entire series run. I will not say it is bad, but for some reason I have trouble warming up to it. I like the idea of the stones and it makes sense that the crew would use it to visit home. But it feels like the powers that be use their end of the experience aboard ship to implement one agenda or another rather than really help them either get home or get close to one of Earth's allies.<p> I really like the character of Dr. Carlyle; he is like an improved Dr. Smith (from Lost in Space): unhinged and amoral. I cannot say I blamed Col. Young for leaving him marooned after all the stunts Carlyle pulled.<p> I will not call Stargate Universe must-see television, but for my part I enjoy tuning in to see the saga unfold.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST
of corporate hack suits: <P> BSG was "Dark" people seem to like "Dark" give us another "Dark" show. <P> Lost is popular it has flashbacks. Can you give us something like flashbacks. <P> Everyone raved about Baltar on BSG. Can you give us another ambiguous villain and cast someone from the British Isles please. <P> Didn't ST:TNG have like a genius nerd kid. I want a genius nerd kid for all those nerds I see at the conventions to identify with and oh yeah make him fat. All those nerds I have to tolerate at Comicon every year are really fat so make him fat okay.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST
don't have anything else in the "sci-fi" genre to renewed, so SGU getting a second season was a given!<p>Too bad SYFY won't pickup cancelled series like Journeyman, Daybreak, or Angel!<P>They should make some tv movies of Sliders or Seaquest, NOT some Wizard Of Oz or Alice Wonderland ripoffs! You know things people might watch besides Ghost Hunters!
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST
exactly<p> And they staged it in an established 'verse to lock in an established fan base<p> When the fans responded with a *Peee-Yew* they sent in an army of plants to insult and shame the fans that supported the franchise for 15 seasons<p> This is a terribly shallow and boring show that is desperately pretending to be deep and interesting
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST
by Ka Dargo
Cuz Amanda Tapping is freakin super sexy with that long black hair and blue eyes!!
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST
...without the fun and adventure that made the franchise entertaining I don't know how much longer I can keep giving it chances. The mid-season cliff hanger was interesting. And yeah, Santuary and SGU get renewed because they are fairly cheap and sell OK in overseas markets and on DVD. SyFy like so many other cable channels is simply risk averse and watching its nickels and dimes.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST
Oh man could SGU move any slower??? <BR><BR> I get it, it's a major departure for the normal SG formula, but oh man my eyes just became numb after awhile.... we had to go like 6 episodes before anything actually happened.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST
I don't know about the online version, but the version that's on DVD is the more common TNT "Special Edition". When TNT picked up B5 for it's 5th season and gave the go-ahead for some TV movies, they gave JMS the money to re-edit the pilot movie into a Producer's Cut that better matched original intentions and the subsequent series as a whole. As such, they tossed out the strange original music and let Franke make a new score that matched the series' music. They deleted some of the silly looking alien stuff, inserted a line or two of dialogue relevant to later episodes and restored the original vocal performance for Lt Takashima (the TV execs originally thought she came across as too strong a character and wanted her softened), as well as re-editing scenes with different takes and shots to again better match the series and what they learned on it.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST
As you go through the series, you might want to note that the last 3 seasons of SG-1 overlap with the first 3 of SGA. You don't have to watch both series back and forth, but thats how they aired (the SGA pilot happens after the SG-1 Season 8 2-part premiere) and there are occasional cross-overs.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST
Farscape's creator has been continuing the series post-Peacekeeper Wars (as well as a couple flashback mini-series focusing on D'Argo set earlier in the series) in an ongoing comic series, so you can get a taste of some of the Season 5 plotlines that weren't used in Peacekeeper Wars (like Rygel reclaiming his throne, as PKW hinted would happen next). They've been pretty good so far (the 3rd arc in particular, dealing with Crichton in an "Unrealized Reality" (induced by his son, no less) where Aeryn was never on Moya was quite excellent).
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST
At least its better than this seasons Smallville..
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST
I've always felt like the later season SG-1 and SG-A writers ran out of things to write. They had no more personal experiences to draw up[on and they had no more plot ideas.<BR><BR> Now we have a somewhat interesting premise, but I think we have writers who haven't thought much about what it would really be like in the world they created.<BR> The level of tension is far too low for what they're going through ( of course SG has to be more approachable than BSG in this areas probably by mandate of SyyyFyyy ) <BR><BR> But they made it past the panic part by now I guess. Is there no dispair? , and why is there only one guy getting lucky on the ship. conversely , why hasn't the captain announced a "no sex" policy on the ship?<BR><BR> Sex + limited number of people + no where to go == violence. If not that, having someone get pregnant or get a disease ( statstically someone has a VD on the ship ) would be a huge risk to the person, use up medical resources, etc. <BR><BR> DO the writers even think of this stuff? <BR><BR> And how about showing people starving a little bit or their hair getting messed up. Oh that's right... they got the showers working. <BR><BR> I say make the writers become method writers.... lock them in an efficiency apartment for 4 weeks and don't let them out, even to go pee. Only turn the water and electricity on for 2 hours a day. Make them all sleep in one bed. Give one guy the only box of Ritz crackers, and give another guy a jar of peanut butter, and a 3rd guy the butter knife.<BR><BR> Put the only toilet paper in the center of the room when they first walk in, and make them run for it. <BR><BR>I think a lot of good stories would come out of that.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST
They planned a normal 2-parter to be the mid-season finale w/cliffhanger like usual, but the script for an episode titled "Fire" was deemed worthy of 2 episodes, and so they expanded it into "Darkness" and "Light", which, due to the serial nature of the show, meant pushing the real mid-season cliffhanger back an episode, so now the second half of the season will kick off with that 2-parter (which, I believe, is rumored to finally deal with or address the mystery alien "bug pod" that launched off Destiny at the end of Air part 3).
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST
..I'm quite happy they did split Fire into Darkness and Light- D&L were incredible episodes that had a sense of beauty and wonder to them that I haven't seen in any sci-fi in recent memory (with possible exception to maybe Sunshine) with scenes like the gas giant slingshot and solar recharge sequences.
Dec. 15, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST
1. If I recall correctly SYFY is contractually obligated to keep a Stargate show on the air as part of the development deal for the Stargat Worlds MMO. So I'm guessing that if the ratings were to drop to dead zero, SYFY would keep the show on the air till they had a replacement SG show. 2. SGU is not a BAD show, it has a fair amount of potential, and it could indeed pull a B5. (I consider B5 to be one of the best Sci-Fi series ever made, but at the same time I think season one is pretty mediocre.) If they keep to their premise I think they'll do well. EVEN BSG started to ignore its premise with characters smoking and otherwise using resources that would have been long long expended. I'd particularly like to see the SGU folks start running out of bullets. Without birth control I'd like to see these randy female crew start getting pregnant. And otherwise dealling with the effects of shortage. Yes they need to get off the ship more, but the "Big Bad" is the situation itself. I think they should avoid any kind of cohesive bad guy for as long as narratively possible.
Dec. 15, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST
isn't paying much attention. <p> Have they gotten to the "despair" section? Gee, let's think. Last episode, someone ate a bullet because of despair. An actual suicide, and not a redshirt. <p> Honestly, if you need to be handheld while someone else points out every piece of dialog and plot to you, then maybe SG:U isn't your kind of show.
Dec. 15, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST
An interesting idea that has already been done ad nauseum, only mediocre execution in dialog and acting, with a full reset at the end.
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST
funny that supposed SG fans never seem to talk about it. they had vehicles people!
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:57 a.m. CST
What an amazing show that really was, loved it, it could be diabolically serious and then lurch into complete silliness in the blink of an eye. Might be worth a DVD investment methinks
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:45 a.m. CST
the guy who killed himself was addicted to pain killers and had run out<p> Plus he was the disposable dick of the group, being a water and food hoarder<p> His death was telegraphed from the first episodes
Dec. 15, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST
B5 is available for free on Hulu and I think you can get the seasons not on Hulu at AOL although the quality of the video is very inferior when compared to Hulu.
Dec. 15, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST
Thanks dude, but I tried it and Hulu is for United States only, looks like I'll be getting the DVDS
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST
I watch this just to see Bobby Carlye act every motherfucker of the screen each week. I cannot believe that this guy is stuck in TV Land when he is as easily as good an actor than Ewan MacGregor or Kevin McKidd (His 2 Trainspotting co-stars).
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST
At least Syfy has the balls to continue a series after a first season with bad ratings.. Kudos to them. SGU will find the fan base and Sanctuary is ok and has a few lovable characters and lots of possibilities. Although the episode with the octopus was maybe the worst piece of SF-televison this year.....
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST
that was worse.. but got renewed too. SYFY has BIG BALLS
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST
You guys over analyse...it's just a sci-fi show of which there is little representation of on TV. Once you start watching, you really begin to like the characters and there are some great episodes, such as Time and Justice. Yes, it's still a work in progress but maybe if people gave it a shot, a real shot, they may like it. The problem with TV viewers today is, if they don't get an orgasm within 5 mins, they'll turn off straight away. It's a good show with some interesting themes and I look forward to what they do with it in the upcoming episodes. And Warehouse 13: X-files for those that like to laugh - I like. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and neither do we!
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST
SGU is barely watchable. Warehouse 13 is totally derivative. <P> The Lost Room took a low butdget and then did original things. I doubt anyone from the mini-series will be in the next version, if it's ever made.
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST
I got a crush on the little emo redhead chick.
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST
It still feels to me like SGU is building towards something, I'm guessing it's all about how/if Rush gets back. The potential for blackmail, new alien 'friends' etc seems obvious. It's felt a little erratic to me so far- I know I'm not the only one wondering why they haven't 'stoned Carter and/or McKay over there to make that ship their bitch, though presumably that would be too awkward. Apparently Shanks is in later, though he seems one of the less useful SG1 members to send in. I must admit that my personal favourite is Grier at the moment- he's unstable and he knows it, but disipline is keeping him in line, just. God help the c/o that loses his respect. Assmuing the pace picks up a little more, I'm happy.
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST
Bah. Cheap wireless KB on my mediabox.
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST
I keed, I keed.<p>Body switching with your dick in another woman?? Thank you SGU.
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST
As NippleEffect said, we were practically given all the dots to connect 2-3 episodes before it. More importantly, we didn't give a damn about the character before he started losing it. This is where good writing would have been. <BR><BR> The only multidimensional character on that series is Dr Rush, and a teeenie tiny window into another dimension for Col. Young and Ming Na's character. Everyone else is and NPC.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
It wasn't produced by the makers of SG-1/etc, and was set in the future (something an SG series is never going to do outside the occasional timetravel episode) and has no bearing on the rest of the franchise.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST
Who actually believed they were going to split the crew or burn up in the sun?<br> Who believed they were all going to die in Time?<p> Etc, etc, so on and so forth<p> The last ep, Justice whould have been considered a filler ep on any other show.<br> But on SG: Phew it's one of the important ones. One of the ones where it moved along at more than a snails pace.<p> There's no tension because you don't care about any of the characters. They're all dicks. Who cares if they die?
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST
Stargate Universe is a crappy copy of Battlestar Galactica which was a fucking boring ass show after the first season. I love sci-fi but fuck this drama shit, I want a remake of something fun like Babylon 5 or continue Firefly or Farscape. Whoever is in charge of Scifi should be fucking shot in the face.
Dec. 15, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST
That show doesn't get any respect around here, or any acknowledgement at all for that matter. I just wish they had cast someone else in the lead role, because everyone else on the show is perfect and Craig Horner is just a poor man's Marc Singer, and that ain't saying much.
Dec. 15, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST
Funny, I felt one of the ways SGU has improved over BSG is by making the characters NOT all be dicks- they have some flaws but they're mostly normalish people so you don't get the "ship load of fucked up people" vibe that dragged BSG down. They have a sense of humor and will be kind to each other at times.
Dec. 15, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST
by Mullah Omar
Not what the world needs at this fragile moment in history.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST
Right now, I will take whatever Scfi shows that have ships and aliens rather than ghost hunters or wrestling and I am very happy that SGU has an extension. While they do so much character development, much of it is needed for the first season. It is a dark show for the moment and that has a special audience and as the seasons go, the show will lighten up. Many of you cry about it now, but years from now, you will have liked the show and was grateful it was on! Many of you comment on how bad Voyager was, yet watched and remember them to quote them or compare and contrast. All shows have mistakes. Look at the new trek for the younger crowd, the rebooted show. Remember in Voyager, in the time travel episodes, they have ships in different time periods so the time lines could not get changed. Now because Abrams wants to be lazy and redo the show instead of saying it is an a parallel universe because the plots and history is too hard to write for! Lazy writer!!!! Rush is by far the best character on the show. He wants to find the way to ascension to bring his wife back. I don’t think he is pure human and could be an ancient devolved as a human. One of three things will happen with Rush. He will not be killed off; he plays to big of a part. 1. He gets the ship working 2. The aliens on board are still alive in hibernation 3. The guy in the chair will force the ship back to get him We will see some replicators and some of Thor’s race the Asgard along with the Furlings. Much like B5, they moved beyond the rim toward where destiny is. Remember, there was once an Alliance of four great races, an extinct alliance of four advanced species that was built over many millennia. History and the confines of the story are what makes SG1, SGA, and SGU good on their own and as a package.
Dec. 15, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST
Dec. 16, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST
...yay, whatever. Everyone else in the cast annoys me except for the guy who plays Eli, and I still can't figure out the premise. But I will love Carlyle forever, so I'll watch.
Dec. 16, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST
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Dec. 16, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST
I wasn't expecting "the next LOST" or anything like that. I think as long as you don't expect SGU to be the best show you've ever seen, it's enjoyable.
Dec. 16, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST
Meant to mention this earlier but it seems as soon as I type my memory stops working. IMHO, moving the Stargate franchise away from Earth was a pretty much inevitable step. With the increasing tech level and power of the SGC/IOA keeping the action Earth-bound would start to raise awkward questions- why no use of all that lovely tech to sort out Afghanistan or global warming? Only popping back to Earth on occasion allows us to leave those awkward questions aside. And personally, I wouldn't completely rule out a Stargate series set in the future in, er, the future. If they decided the franchise still has legs after SGU, it'd be the only sensible direction left to go in, barring reboot-land.
Dec. 17, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST
(1) I like the idea of them having to learn the ship and repair it, far more realistic approach, but don't drag it out, let them get the ship up and running by the end of season one. (2) Let them arrive on a planet with a stargate that can dial home, so we can have cast changes. But something happens so only a certain number leave or arrive through, before it fails and the ship departs. (3) I would like to know what happened to the two that were lost going thru a gate early in the season. (4) More action, more death, more dispair. (5) When the gate accesses earth and there are cast additions, increase the ships crew by about 200, so we can have lots of carnage in future episodes. (6) Must keep Rush, Young, TJ, Eli, Chloe, Tam, Ron and David, but as for the others let them die in interesting episodes so we never know which supporting players we come to like meet their end. (7) An episode that gives the viewers hope for more planetary adventures, like have Rush mention that they are approaching a cluster of worlds mapped in the ships nav system that might bear exploring. (8) Make a deal with Blizzard and have them come across Azeroth (have it coincide with WOW movie) lol, SG-U would get 11 mil viewers for that episode. (9) No reoccuring villian please, just an occasional bad guy and danger, like in STOS. (10) NUDITY, move SG-U to 10 PM so they can show it, afterall Supreme Court and FCC ruled 10 PM and later on basic cable and networks can have adult content, just everyone is afraid to do take the leap.
Dec. 17, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST
plot of every episode was running thru corridors yelling each others names<p> It was occasionally entertaining tho
Dec. 17, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST
I didn't have the time/interest to watch this show until yesterday. Having watched all ten so far, I'd say it's far better than SG1 and especially SGA.<br><br> I guess I just prefer a show that's a derivate of BSG than one that's a derivative of ST:TNG. And atleast in SGU they have tension with the crew. Something Voyager abandoned after the pilot.<br><br> Anyway, I'll definitely watch the rest of S1 when the air em next spring.
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