I'm of two minds about tonight's "Dexter." On the one hand, Jennifer Carpenter continues her strong work this season, and the final sequence was one of the more exciting cat-and-mouse moments the show has done. On the other hand, to get to that moment, Dexter has to get an IQ transplant from Peter Petrelli for most of the episode. Hopefully, it all leads to a finale that doesn't end the exact way we all assume that it will.Showtime says of tonight’s installment, titled “The Getaway” and co-written by Wendy West (“K-Ville,” “The Beast”) & Melissa Rosenberg (“Twilight,” “New Moon”):
As the noose tightens, Arthur warns Dexter to back off. But Dexter will do anything to stop Trinity from eluding him, even if that means putting himself on the wrong side of the law. Rita acknowledges the rocky relationship she and Dexter share, but reaffirms her support. Batista and LaGuerta face the consequences of their actions. Debra unearths a deeply-hidden truth, but not one she expected to find. And ultimately, Dexter and Arthur find themselves on a collision course, leading them to a confrontation that will change their lives forever.In 2007, “Dexter” won two Emmys, for “Outstanding Main Title Design” and “Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing for a Drama Series.” Do you imagine John Lithgow might bring home the series’ third? 9 p.m. Sunday. Showtime.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST
This season is much better than the third one.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST
Has been amazing this season. But as a whole the show hasn't ever reached the heights of the first and second seasons. Miguel was a great character in season three, but The Skinner felt a bit shoehorned in. This season has required Dexter to become dumb and sloppy, which would be fine if the show admitted it and examined it, but instead he gets by on luck and convenience. It's gotten too plotty and less of an examination of this character trying to live in the world. Still a great show but not living up to its potential - it's lost a bit of its edge and become a bit sitcom.<p>I honestly think the best way to finish out the season would be to have all Dexter's sloppiness catch up with him, and be exposed - and next season could deal with the fallout from it, leading to Dexter's execution. Sure, it would end the series, but it would give them a chance to go out on a shocking high. And Jennifer Carpenter should win an Emmy sometime because she's fantastic.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST
is that theres no way arthur/trinity would have simply let dex into his life without fully checking his background out and knowing EXACTLY who he was before cosying up with him. Thats what dex would obviously have done and we're to believe that dex and trinity are the same. That said im loving this season but hoping next season isnt the same proceedure with dex caught between the police hunt and his own hunt for a serial killer.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST
escapes and next season can be all about Trinity fucking with Dexter.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST
because he's tired and rushed. I thought that was pretty clearly established. He's stretched too thin between work, Rita and the kids, the Dark Passenger, and Deb's emotional break downs. It was set up fairly explicitly that Dexter was at the breaking point and he was bound to screw up at some point. Remember, Arthur has eluded capture for at least 30 years, and he kept Lundy at bay for a good long time. He's every bit as good at what he does as Dexter.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST
for creative use of profanity. I bet it's all improvised.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST
There was no year "0". The first year of the new millennium/century was 2001. The first year of the next decade is 2011.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST
I'd like it if the show followed roughly the same trajectory as The Shield and have the last season center around the fallout of what has gone before. Rather than try to pad things out with another big guest star bad guy. I Hope they can provide a strong finish in 2010.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST
by Toe Jam
Are the myriad plot holes. First of all, why is Arthur now committing a shitload of murders in Miami, when he went some 30 years without killing close to home? It's too convenient for the plot. I also have to agree with the comment above about Arthur letting Dexter getting so involved with his life. And could you ever imagine in real life a detective (Quinn) being allowed to have ANYTHING to do with an investigation involving his lover? Again, it's just convenient for the plot. And there are a lot more of those kinds of holes and contrivances. Overall, the season has been better than the third, though not nearly as entertaining as the first and second. I'd like to see the show go darker, as it was in the first season. I'd also like to have a main antagonist whose identity goes unrevealed for most of, if not the entire, season.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST
And her witness Dexter murder him.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST
I agree that it's been established, but it hasn't been examined - not with any depth, not with any edge. The first two seasons succeeded so well in part because the show was all about establishing Dexter himself as a believable, careful monster, and examining how he functioned in the human world. It was also able to succeed as a ridiculously tight thriller without losing any of that. But in S3 it started to spin its wheels with too much co-incidence and deus ex machina (although the ep where the records lady was dying of cancer was surprising and touching and one of the series' best moments), all in service of a plot rather than the character of Dexter himself. S4 has continued that trend. It's not that it hasn't been established Dexter can't juggle everything, just that the show has gotten a bit too precious with it and keeps avoiding consequence. I haven't written the season off yet - it will come down to how it ends.
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST
That Deb in the books and the show are exactly the same in the way they talk!!
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST
I guess I have to wait till summer for the dvd's :(
Dec. 13, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST
Not only would Arthur have looked into Dexter's background, but I feel Dexter made a dumb move by publicly hanging out with Trinity. Going to the house all the time, stopping by. I'm pretty sure when the police investigated, a decent subject would be someone who showed up out of no where and then disappeared without a trace. That just seemed really really dumb to cultivate a relationship with him.
Dec. 13, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST
its that adding a family life has made him sloppy
Dec. 13, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST
Arthur is Dexter's biological father. Deb's plotline is going to fit in somehow, so...
Dec. 13, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST
arthur had decided to commit suicide...which is why he was about to end his cycle where it started
Dec. 13, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST
Michael C. Hall, Jennifer Carpenter, John Lithgow, and the show would win this season. (Yes I watch Madmen)
Dec. 13, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST
I think creators werent sure dexter was gonna make it at the beginning so they made sesason 2 seem like a last season with people hunting dexter and him tryin to conceal his identity. i think thats why 3 is kinda week. 4 rebounded with lithgow. great choice. he needs to get rid of rita
Dec. 13, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...but the season hasn't been. Smits was good last season and it wasn't enough to make last season good, either. Carpenter has grown up as an actress on this show, and her performance this season has been great. And I'm all for Remar's expanded involvement as the voice in Dexter's head. But the writers have absolutely lost the thread of Rita's character, there has been so much coincidence and contrivance this season that there really hasn't been a moment that let you lose yourself in the show, and the relationship between Angel and LaGuerta seems remarkably arbitrary and lacking in any discernible depth. I'm a long way from quitting on this show, but there's no sense in trying to gild the lilly by claiming that the great performances that have buoyed this season were matched by the level of writing on display in seasons one and two.
Dec. 13, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST
Seriously, his work as Arthur has to rank among the best and most complex he's ever done. His oscillations between normal dad, guilt-ridden child, and sadistic maniac are great in themselves, but the cool thing is that they all fit into the same character. Like Miguel Prada in season 3, Lithgow takes the ambiguity of the character and crafts something that seems whole and real while still remaining mysterious. Nice job, Lithgow. Carpenter is also on a role, a everyone else has said. The one lowlight this season has been the interminable subplot with Batista and LaGuerta. It goes on and on without adding any depth or affecting the plot in the slightest. <br><br> Hopefully, this season can exceed seasons 2 and 3 by properly converting the mounting suspense into a fitting climax (they fumbled both the previous two seasons, IMHO. Long plot threads like the Skinner are resolved quickly and easily or they suddenly and unceremoniously wrap up what seems to be the main conflict (like with Dokes or Prada) to instead pretend we care about something else, like stupid naked Lila. If the trend continues, Lithgow will just get hit by a truck st the start of the next episode and the final episode will be about the vacation murder's girlfriend escaping from jail or something. Not exactly bad, but just, "Wait, that's where all this was going? Kind of a let down." Not that I want to be negative, its just that the show is so good I want to see it really hit a home run this season.
Dec. 13, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST
that everyone is virtually of a mind on Dexter 3 and 4.<p>If only the producers read these talkbacks...
Dec. 13, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST
Not Dexters bio dad - he died in season 1. Brian/Rudy/ITK killed him.
Dec. 13, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST
has been the best season overall in my opinion.in order of how good they are... 4,2,1,3 this current season has been gangbusters from the start. the complexity of his new life, the lack of sleep, the loss of focus and of course Lithgow's riveting performance... just wow. some people say they dont like the 2nd season, i think the fact that dexter is being hunted on so many fronts makes it so hard to not want to see what happens next. every episode end with a "oh shit, he's caught" moment. the first season was a great set up for the characters, but i didnt get that anticipation of shit hitting the fan until the later episodes. season 3, awww cute, dexter has a friend.... just didnt work as well for me. so much felt tacked on. the new season is back on track however. so yeah, i guess the show has gotten progressively better, with season 3 being a little misstep IMO.
Dec. 13, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST
...he should be this honed killer. Instead, he "Forrest Gumps" his way through, regardless of the reasons. And he screwed up his own code! I want a methodical, intelligent, ruthless, detached Dexter. They could do the series based on his ability to catch and punish bad guys. At the moment, why watch a series about a serial killer who doesn't kill anyone?
Dec. 13, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2009, 3 p.m. CST
He's been brilliant this season.
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST
by Adelai Niska
I'm talking to talkbackers, but also to Herc for fanning their contrarian flames.
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST
not as good as 1st 2 seasons and ya i dont get why he would hang around trinity's family so much, when arthur goes missing, aint the cops gonna ask if any weird ppl have been hangin around the house? lk someone who strangled him with a belt and pulled a knife?...either way its still awesome n a great season
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST
pretty weak, and I say that as someone who loves the show.
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST
by Turd Furgeson
except for the wife, I want to murder her. Outside of her character, everyone on the show is PERFECT. Lithgow, Hall and Carpenter all deserve Emmy's this year.
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST
by Turd Furgeson
Are ok. 1st book is A LOT like the 1st season, but the second book has a killer who is the most wicked dude i've ever seen or read. The way he kills is crazy/gross/hysterical all at the same time. The 3rd book goes off the reservation completely. They're all quick reads, if you like the show you'll probably like the books.
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST
The second best show on TV!!!
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...I'll disagree with you a little about the books. Not a lot, but a little. But there was some nice stuff in the first two books. I thought the denouement for Doakes was both more fitting and infinitely more creepy than what happened on the show, though perversely I'm sort of glad his fate on the show was what it was. The books are potboilers but the first two were pretty competent ones.
Dec. 13, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST
I guess my problem with the books is that the author makes the mistake of falling in love with the main character. Much like Harris did with Hannibal Lecter. Instead of being just a monster, the author tries to explain away the evil, to make the villain more palatable. In Lecter's case, it was to give a messed up backstory. In Dexters case, it's to give an external supernatural raison d'etre for his "Dark Passenger". <p> And while I do agree that what happened to Doakes was a lot creepier, I found it too reminiscent of stuff I've seen before. Not derivative exactly, just reminiscent. (For example, again with Harris, but this time in Red Dragon.) <p> There's a scene in the Dexter series, where he's having a dream and in the dream he brings a body to the police station and everyone is congratualting him etc..<p> Remember that? Considering in the books how many people know Dexter is a killer, and are okay with it (sometimes because they are proto-serial-killers themselves) I estimate that we're about two novels away from that scene appearing as reality in one of the books.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...I might even come back for something that silly. But the third book stopped me in my tracks. I've heard the fourth is better but it was only the compulsion to not let the book beat me that kept me reading to the end.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST
i think bein 4 seasons in now would be a good time for him to be discovered and go on the run. him hunting another killer is getting old or should i say will be after his showdown with lithgow. it would be cool for him to be eluding police and seeing how is friends and family react and deal with discovering his true self. would they help him or turn on him? things like that. he could still kill people he thinks are bad and the cover his tracks. he needs to be free of this family life story so it can progress otherwise it will get tired soon.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...the silliness with the kids as the supernatural hoo-ha. And by the way I love supernatural horror, but pushing it to the center of the Dexter books was like introducing aliens to Dark Shadows (yeah, a quick reference to see how close to the end of your natural lifespan you are). By the logic of the third book anyone who experienced anything unpleasant as a child should go to the serial killer booth on career day.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...I wouldn't mind the show taking from the books would be Debbie discovering Dexter's true nature. I could see how it might ruin the show, but it also might give it a new tank of gas.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...and I'll certainly give you that there was more than a whiff of Harris in what happened to Doakes. I still thought it worked because it was in some ways the most fitting worst possible fate that Doakes could experience.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST
i totally rely on epguides.com to tell me what is on when, and when there are breaks. I had saved up the first 10 episodes of dexter, because its such a cliffhanger show, so when i finished episode 10 i was thinking 'what the fuck is that? no resolution for the trinity story? So i checked epguides and it showed that there were 11 episodes this season. So i'm watching episode 11 and it ends like it did and i'm FURIOUS they ended the season like that. then back i go to epguides, and now it lists 13 episodes. But whatever.<br><br>Honestly, though, I think the way episode 12 ended was the best cliffhanger and 'how will dexter get out of this one' moments.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST
Laguerta with Jimmy Smits and Doakes(although he was framed). Quinn was dating Reporter who killed Lundy and shot Deb. Deb was seeing the Ice Truck Killer. Dexter is a serial killer himself. They really just need to fire the entire Miami PD and start fresh, because they are the worst cops. Also, Rita, and the Laguerta Batista romance are just annoying.
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST
"They really just need to fire the entire Miami PD and start fresh, because they are the worst cops." Very funny, and kind of true, but I can't complain too much. I love the show anyway. :)
Dec. 13, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST
of Dexter. This one is no different. Season finale tonight.
Dec. 13, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST
That'd be a fun one. I don't know how anyone can surpass Lithgow, Trinity is easily one of the most fucked up characters on TV. I'm guessing they are going to end this season with Trinity taking Rita, then Dexter killing him to save her, which reveals the true Dexter to Rita (and possibly Deb). Then next season is dealing with the fallout. I'm hoping it's something more twisted than that, like Trinity killing Rita and escaping, but I can't see the writers saddling Dexter with 3 kids fulltime.
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST
Is still 1000 times better than most network stuff (Heroes).
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST
Trinity kills Deb and gets away until next season.... or something. lol I don't want to know anything, just excited for the ep tonight.
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST
Perhaps it's because I was reading it during the infinitely superior second season, but I thought the 2nd Dexter book was garbage. Unrealistic, over-the-top, poorly written dross.
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST
the more i see of the "undamaged" rita, the more i understand why her ex beat the living shite out of her<P> the problems most people have with the series are because serial killers do not behave in the manner as prescribed by the books or the show...which is why i leave my brain at the door when i watch it...you guys should too
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST
yea and the 70's ended on dec 31st, 1980.
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST
yea id backhand rita too. i find her fucking gross.
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST
I can't disagree with the main arguments about Dexter's sloppiness. He was going to kill Trinity, but when he saw him with his family, he was too curious. Season 2 Dexter would have just captured him, and interrogated him for 5 minutes before killing him. Cozying up to him, with ZERO disguise is illogical. (so a man just showed up in your life for a few weeks, then your dad disappears? can you describe him to our sketch artist? um...that looks like our blood spatter guy...) and Dexter's father's appearance is supposed to remind us of (and justify) Dexter's increasingly risky behavior.<p>the end of the last show was the culmination, for me, of Dexter's sloppy and problematic behavior. the MOST EGREGIOUS of which, was framing the wrong guy. that way, if Trinity kills Dexter, he'll never be found...<p>this season was Dexter's downfall...if you don't like it, that's fine, but it's not accidental...it's not Dexter acting like Peter Petrelli...he's simply devolving in his code. has dad is pointing it out like every other episode!
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST
to say that we all assume it's going to end the same way and then not say what said way is... Now no matter what happens you can say "oh I knew it". Assclown. This season has been far from predictable. I saw nothing coming with regards to the family matters of Trinity. His family was MESSED way more that it initially appeared. Possibly been the best season, although i love them all, and look forward to it inheriting my favourite show slot in May 2010 when Lost retires.
Dec. 13, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST
is completely correct
Dec. 13, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST
What if dexter does away with trinity's family.
Dec. 13, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST
by Toe Jam
Yeah, her character is rather annoying and probably should be killed off, but Julie Benz is waaaaaaaay hot, even though she got some pretty noticeable plastic surgery between this season and last.
Dec. 13, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST
I'm guessing that Dexter goes down this season.
Dec. 13, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST
Honestly, there are almost always a million plotholes in any given tv series. The thing that makes us overlook them are the compelling stories that keep us distracted from what doesn't really matter. I mean, your neighbor kills herself and has been using your phone for the past few days and you don't tell anyone? And I agree with the assertion that a guy who has been committing murders for 30 years wouldn't just let someone into their life so easily. But at the same time, I doubt he really cared, seeing how he was planning on killing himself anyway. Either way, good season. Pumped for the end.
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST
Did the preview right before the episode just reveal the big twist??? It showed Dexter in a jail cell and Rita and kids getting into a squad car... so the twist is him getting caught? FUCK YOU SHOWTIME if you just ruined it for me!!
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST
The twist isn't Dexter goes to Jail!! WOOOT! Poor guy let the emotions get to him, lol!
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST
Weakest part of the show tenfold.
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST
spoilers..............................................People may have started to hate rita but that still really is shitty.
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST
by Dr Gregory House
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST
Balsy finale. Can't wait to see the engine of vengeance that Dexter becomes next season!
Dec. 13, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST
Ding dong the witch is dead
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST
Alone with 3 kids. Who wouldn't want to kill.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST
by Bruce Thomas Wayne
That was great. 2nd best show around behind LOST.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST
... That was crazy. But not entirely unexpected. The whole damned season seemed to be leading up to that ending. While it was awful (in the context of the show), she was always written as so fucking annoying, it's almost a relief she's gone.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST
And claimed that Rita wouldn't die in the finale. http://screenrant.com/dexter-season-4-finale-clips-info-spoilers-aco-37343/
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST
i completely called it earlier in the talkback by accident. thats hilarious. wow what will they do with the 3 kids now. the other 2 live with the grandparents while dexter raises his own little serial killer? lol
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST
Now that Deb knows Dexter has killer DNA and Dexter is now the default single dad of Cody and Astor, will they follow the books and have Deb figure out Dexter's dark passenger and give Cody and Astor dark passengers of their own? Although Astor and especially Cody being serial killers in training and Dexter teaching them Harry's Code is interesting in the books, I don't know if it will work in the series. I think Deb knowing Dexter is a killer especially after her scene with Dexter tonight, might bring a interesting twist. Her struggle with loyalty to her brother and duty as a a cop. Granted in the book, Dexter struggled with the urge to kill her which she knew. The TV Dexter doesn't have the same struggles.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST
Killing Rita has been telegraphed for a while now, but since they have rope a doped so long about it, it was executed very well and was surprising even if you knew it was coming.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST
I can't remember the last tim a TV show left me speechless before tonight! Any chance its only a dream?
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST
Can't wait to see where this leads.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST
I sooooo didn't see that coming. No matter how annoying Rita was this season, I was totally gutted after seeing that. I'm with BackRiverCatfish, although it definitely wasn't a dream.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST
Will Dexter "hide" Rita's death? Or will he let the cops investigate... how/what will Cody/Astor be told. Sure hope next season is 1/2 as good as this season!
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST
I thought about that too, but I don't think Dexter will have to explain too much about Rita's death. I think the police might assume Trinity knew they were on to him, and so he decided to kill someone in the department, like Dexter. But it turned out to be his wife instead, end of story. I could be wrong though.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST
he killed a random mother around the age of his usual victims, but fled when he found out they discovered his true identity.
Dec. 13, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST
Ballsy ending indeed. Did not see that coming from a mile away. The greatest ending to a season finale since Seinfeld (I kid). But fucken awesome. Cannot wait until next season.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST
I'll tune in next year. That was indeed ballsy. And finally - consequence. Huge, huge consequence.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST
She was so sexy and hot on other seasons, totally bitchy this season, but she totally did not deserve to go out that way. Harrison is going to be messed up like Cody in the books now. Overall the episode was drab till the last 10 minutes, but the Rita part had both my wife's and my own mouths open in disbelief at what Trinity had done. Nor had we suspected he had done it based on things said to Dexter.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
Pretty good ending.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST
because I'm still trying to figure out the logistics of Trinity heading to Deb's place, pawning the rest of his family belongings, and picking up his car, and heading out of town in addition to killing Rita all in a day.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST
He probably killed Rita while Dexter was hiding/getting into his car. How ironic is that? Also if you think about it... if Dexter wouldn't have side-swiped that car, Rita would be alive. And they say - don't sweat the small stuff ;)
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST
i forgot that he went to Rita's the night before and Dexter spent pretty much the entire day at his family's house. It all occurred over the course of 2 days. A little comprehension goes a long way
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST
the rita death was revealed by many posters on imdb way before the start of the season...as was how she would die...i just thought it was to cheap to be believable...oh well
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST
I was getting really worried that the show was going too far into "I can change and have a happy ending" territory, and that would be 100% morally wrong. At some point, Dex has to pay for what he does and in tonight's episode the piper finally comes a-callin. Its too bad that show killed that psycho British artist (Lilla?) because I'd love to see him go back to her bosoms for awhile.
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST
the man is amazing...maybe the best american actor living
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST
That would be just about the ballsiest and most perfect way to end this series. I know they won't, but it would be epic. As it is, wonderful finale. I was truly shocked, I never, ever thought they would actually do that. On top of the problems I see with him raising the kids alone now, the bigger issue I see is how in the hell does Dexter explain why Rita was attacked in any believable way. Everyone is going to know all the weird shit he has been up to, that he was involved somehow. If not, they are too stupid to be police. I'm not sure where we go from here, but I'll be interested to see. The whole time I honestly it would end with him arriving in the keys, and then next season would be about him trying to control his passenger, kill less, be a good person, while another serial killer or something comes out and he continually tempted through the season to go back to his ways. What do I know though?
Dec. 13, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST
is to complete the trinity killing cycle
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST
before the feds come knokcing
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST
and into a container at the port
Dec. 13, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST
I've never been so floored, glad I stayed away from spoilers.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST
I even thought to myself a half-hour in, 'Oh, OK, they AREN'T going to go there,' and then again a few minutes later. Even after expecting something similar to happen with Dexters family at the end of this season, I'm surprised.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST
by Mike K
Just re-watched the scene where Arthur was wrapped to the table. He gave at least two clues as to what he had done. When Dexter told Arthur that he had a family, the amused look that Arthur gave Dexter said it all. And then when Arthur said "It's already over...it's already over". Shocking ending. Like crow3711 said, that would be the perfect series finale.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST
So Dexter was with Arthur's family right when the police showed up to raid the place, didn't get caught, and then promptly switched to Dexter Morgan, CI... all without one of Arthur's relatives not pointing at him or mentioning to police that "Kyle Butler" took off? WTF happened to "Kyle Butler!?!?" With the family brought in for questioning and all the focus on Arthur as the Trinity Killer, that HAS to bite him Dexter in the ass... but here, we get NOTHING. They can't just leave this one dangling.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST
Deb's death doesn't have to lead the cops to the Dexter/Trinity connection--for all they know, Trinity just killed Deb because she fit his cycle. However, they have to have surveilance footage of Arthur in Miami Metro from Episode 11, and Arthur was seen talking to Dexter at Metro by Angel just a few days before the murder. Then there's the "Kyle Butler" mess I just outlined above--someone in Arthur's family would've mentioned Kyle to the police. Dexter should not be able to just shed the Kyle Butler alter ego so quickly. That has to be a problem next season or these writers will have just gotten too cute with the plot inconsistencies they've ignored all along.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST
He gets caught, loses his family and is sent to prison; or he learns to cope with parenthood and continues to be a serial killer; or he stops after coming to understand that he is really is human, and not an inhuman monster. Or he dies, which, is kind of a downer. Or a supernatural element can be introduced, which is really lame.<P>He should either get caught or stop, to continue would be ultimately too immoral, not really inline with his Dataesque quest to be 'human'. I think stopping is more in line with where they are taking him. If the kids start getting involved (I guess like the books?), it should be his awareness of the flaws in his own fathers code that dissuade him from passing it on, and use that to stop.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST
I thought it strange that none of the cops recognized Arthur's picture as the tall dude who was just at the police station talking to Dexter. I am also wondering how Dexter is going to lie his way out of Rita's death and disaccociate himself from Arthur and Arthur's family. Will the cops be asking about this "Kyle Butler" fellow? I am happy that Rita got whacked because she was the most annoying aspect of the show for me, but I know that a lot of people are bummed because they liked her. I am really hoping that Deb will finally drop the tired investigation into her father's background. Dexter as a single parent should be cool, but I hope they don't spend the first few episodes of season 5 showing how exhausted he is because of it. All in all I am looking forward to seeing more new Dexter. The ending to this season didn't let me down.
I'm afraid that next season will begin with a ONE YEAR LATER type of thing.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST
The stuff about "this finale will either gain fans or lose fans" was a little overblown. The Deb thing actually made sense and was a little predictable, since she fit the profile of Trinity's victims AND because of how over the top they got with the "Dexter and Rita will live so happily ever after." When Dexter and Deb had their little moment, I knew Deb was somehow doomed. For me, I thought the cooler, though less satisfying, finale would have been for Arthur to escape with Stan Beudry taking the rap, leaving Dexter forever haunted over "the one who got away" with an opening for Lithgow to return in Season 5. To the writers' credit, though, they didn't let the police just be satisfied with the shaky frameup that Dexter put on Beudry.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST
So Deb now knows the tragedy that led to Dexter becoming her brother, and she's aware of the creepy link between Dexter and the Ice Truck Killer, as well as how that might have led to her own problems. However, it's a big link from "your long lost brother tried to kill me because of you!" to "you must be a killer just like your long lost brother!" I think the main thing will be some increased tension between Deb and Dexter next season, but also some more sympathy of Deb for little Harrison as she'll know how both Dexter and Harrison were "born in blood."
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST
Trinity should have gotten away.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST
I'm not sure which finale you saw, but in the one I saw, 'Deb' is fine and Rita was murdered.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST
My jaw hasn't dropped that far in a long time. Rita may have been annoying but she certainly had nice tits.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST
by jason baum
or better yet, what pills do you have?!?! i was gonna let it slide, but 4 paragraphs & posts later when yer still saying deb was killed - and clearly making comments that show you are aware of the difference between deb & rita...i'm getting really jealous of the buzz you got going!! but i absolutely agree with you, it would've been great for one killer (especially lithgow's brilliantly portrayed trinity) to get away - for now. in book 1, brian gets away & still hasn't returned. then again, he & dex were nearly identical, but either way i'm a fanatic of this character/franchise.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST
by jason baum
i'm actually growing weary of dexter getting nearly caught every episode, and hope to truly see a predatory-ish side of him. he'll have the rage within & the self-loathing from rita's death to confront - but i'm a little worried they have painted themselves into a corner with the parenting duties he must attend to. we've already had a season (4) where we saw him trying to juggle the family life with his dark passenger, i pray they don't just substituite the family/husband thread for the single dad thread.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:53 a.m. CST
HAS to jump forward in time... at least five years (maybe even Ten). Astor and Cody at the college/teenage age and little Harrison as a creepy prep schooler. Also, are the writer's setting us up for a creep Dexter/Deb pairing? I mean, they aren't blood related and do date in real life...
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST
She paid enough for them. (and this is a fact)
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST
is the worst thing that could happen for Dexter as a character, but is the best thing for the continuation of the series. rita was so close to knowing Dexter for what he is, and probably was the only person who could handle it. he so wanted to tell her his secret in their last scene. she was the link to his humanity, his evolution... now, he is going to become less human again. the positive for the series? its like the reset button has been hit and there are far more directions the series can take. deb will find out dexter's true nature, due to the fact that she will continue to hunt trinity now that another person she cares about is a victim. rita was family, and deb will be obsessed with the case. when the trail goes cold, when trinity's cycle doesn't complete, dexter will have to reveal to deb that he killed trinity himself. and the truth will come out. i also see deb helping dexter to raise the kids.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST
I knew it was possible but WOW!. I had to rewatch it. It was just as brutal the second time.
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST
is that the boy was kidnapped, meaning a new cycle was begining. Rita just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and was the second death. They can put it down to coincidence.
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST
for the guy, replete with photos, he obviously couldn't complete the cycle. <p>
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST
get together to raise the kids. As squicky as that sounds, you have to play with the shows moral sensabilities if you ever want to get to the place where Deb can accept Dexter as a serial killer.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST
But I think the cops will just be dumbasses [initially, anyway] and put it down to Trinity getting someone in their department.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST
How about next season Dexter is not a family man anymore? He was very interested in the whole 'leave the family' idea and even Harry told him so ... so .. maybe the kids go to some relative and Dexter has to deal with it. Not sure if I would want to see 'single dad dexter' next season ... And so glad no one was able to spoil this for me .. shocking ending!!!
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST
Dexter's Harry visions have gotten further and further away from the code. And throughout this season he kept realizing what his family means to him. So IMO that's the storyline for S5. Dexter vs. his demon. <P> Deb knows how messed up the ITK was, and will start looking at some of Dex's antics more closely. She'll be a key figure in Dex's fight against his DP.<P> And before you say that'll suck, have some faith in these writers. They are preffy f'ing good.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:56 a.m. CST
1) Astor+Cody are "expendable" at this point, ie they can live with Paul's parents. 2) Dexter will NOT give up Harrison. Especially now. He realizes that Harrison basically is more like a mini-Dexter now then ever before. He has no family to give him to (Like Deb would ever take care of him, she would beat the shit out of Dexter for trying to dump him off). Plus Dexter was adopted and turned out a killer, so maybe Dexter feels that he can somehow have some insight into how to help Harrison 3) Rita will become a head character like Harry. Harry will represent the Code, Rita will represent his Humanity. I don't see Dexter "letting go" that easily. 4) Miami Metro will think Rita was part of the kill cycle because she was in the bathtub, and Trinity couldn't finish it because everyone figured out who he was and he skipped town 5) Deb will start putting more pieces together. Quinn will become Doakes 2.0. Deb will be torn between growing affection for Quinn in a more serious relationship (they have alot in common...they both fell for killers!) and safeguarding Dex. I have a feeling the overall plot arc will be Dexter trying to come to grips with the fact that the "anchors" that helped keep him grounded are gone, except for Harrison, and he will feel torn. Obviously he will need some type of daycare, but at night...what does Dex do? Get a babysitter all the time? It will be interesting to see how they work their way around it.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST
I don't think we've seen the last of her. Dexter could have more than one Passenger next season.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST
but not in a supernatural way. <p> I wouldn't mind seeing Julie Benz as a head-ghost, like Harry. <p> If the show did a massive time-jump for next season, I think I'd be okay with it. Though I think these are usually the kiss of death for shows, this might work if they made Harrison a little budding psycho and Dexter trying to bring him up with Harry's code. <p> Just imagine how paranoid Dexter could get if it looked like 8 year old Harrison might actually try to kill his big sister/brother? <p> If only Jennifer Carpenter or Julie Benz were as free with the nude scenes as some of the other women on the show have been, it would have been perfect. :)
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST
then I want them to make it so that in-head-Harry has been the evil spirit all along. :)
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST
was that he'd do what in-head Harry told him to: leave his family. Dump Harrison with someone, probably Deb, disappear, take the rap for Rita's murder (he doesn't exactly have an alibi), and satisfy his urges on the road (with a little help from Trinity's money, possibly). I guess that would be too much of a radical shift, though.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST
Bad decisions all the way around. People disliked Rita, and even the writers said they were displeased by the direction family man dex has gone, so they killed her. Shocked, I am, shocked. I told everybody I knew this is what would happen, and they all told me I was crazy. Shocked, I am, shocked.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST
Yeah, I'm sure they remember every face that strolls through the police office *roll eyes. And, why would Kyle Butler be important?! I'm sure they mentioned him to the cops in debriefing but there is absolutely zero reason for the cops to be interested in him unless the boy spilled his guts which I doubt because of his fondness of Kyle/Dexter.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST
Next season they will do the first 5 mins of the aftermath with the cops coming to the house and Dexter with Deb (pretend) crying and then it will jump 5 to 10 years later. Dexter has stopped killing in order to raise Harrison and Cody and Astor are/were living with Paul's Parents and now are in their early twenties and are back in Dexter's life helping with Harrison. Thats when the Dark Passenger will come back and Harrison will have his own as well. Dexter will teach him about the code and make sure he doesnt kill Astor, Cody or Aunt Deb.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST
I guess it's because they're both the frequently annoying female characters of the show. Still, the Rita thing gets more haunting the more I think about the show. I wonder if Dexter will spend part of next season trying to figure out what Trinity told her about him in her final moments. This has basically severed much of the connection to humanity that Dexter built up over the course of the season, but with Harrison and a newfound closeness to Deb (if they go that route) he might not lose it all. I don't know that I like Rita being dead, but for the possibilities on the show it makes a lot of sense AND, as others have stated, she can return as a "head ghost" next season if they want to push Dexter more and more to insanity/humanity.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST
2001 was the first year of this decade (and the 21st century) which makes 2010 the last year. When you start counting do you start with 0 or 1? I thought so.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST
My biggest beef with the lack of resolution in the Kyle Butler storyline is that Dexter was actually THERE as Kyle when the cops kicked in the door. One of the first things cops will ask in that situation is "Is there anybody else here?" Wouldn't someone in the family tell the cops about Kyle Butler, dad's weird new friend who strangled and pulled a knife on him at Thanksgiving and was asking all sorts of questions about his whereabouts and recent activity, then ran away when the cops showed up? Yes, he would be "a person of interest" in the disappearance of a brutal serial killer that the FBI is looking into and, as far as they know, is still alive and on the run. The cops would've made a huge deal about him going MIA when they couldn't find him. Even if Dexter managed to avoid the Mitchell familys' lines of sight the whole time they were there (not easy), they would have still described "Kyle." Also, I find it odd how there were no security cameras in the parking garage where Dexter originally drugged Trinity, but the show's let little details like that slide all along so I guess it's par for the course there.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST
are worse than 'first' posters. s<br><br>o smug, and so incorrect with their 'facts.' id like to think they're all just trolling, but i think they're actually just idiots.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST
If you ever work in a job where you're not that used to seeing strange new people wandering around the workplace, and then a 6'5" guy shows up who makes one of your coworkers look very uncomfortable, you're probably going to remember his face when it comes up a couple of days later as a suspect in your #1 investigation. They had a photo of Arthur Mitchell and everything. The guy was even walking around in a briefing room that was not open to the public! That should've jogged some memories that the guy had just been there. I guess it can slide like some of the other implausibilities throughout the show's history, but it's still annoying to me.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST
I think we can safely assume that Season 6 will be a new spin as Dexter struggles with his newfound humanity vs. his "dark passenger." Emotionally retreating from the rest of the world behind The Code really is not much of a possibility now that Dexter is a single dad, though he's also finally paid for his carelessness throughout this season. He can't give away little Harrison, and I'm still not convinced that teaching the kid "The Code" after a huge jump in time would be the best idea at this point. It's going to be interesting where they go. One thing that would be nice would be if Dexter, the serial killer, actually goes back to killing people again. He only had 3 victims all season long by my count, and one of those was the Stan Beudry framing that had very little buildup. Maybe the season doesn't need Dexter looking out for a father figure/friend next season, now that he has a child of his own who's utterly dependent upon him. A more interesting story would be someone within putting heat on Dexter for some reason.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST
In addition to getting the Rita/Deb mixed up, you're not good with season numbers. No biggie. :)
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST
because he didn't know about dexter being a killer until dexter had him wrapped up on the table, by which time he had already done rita. up to that point, trinity just thought dexter was trying to be an amateur vigilante.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST
the kyle butler thread won't be wrapped up. it's a bit sloppy, but it's not that big of a deal. the police showed up at arthur's home looking for trinity, not for some random stranger. arthur's family is in too much shock about finding out arthur was trinity, to mention or worry about that guy who showed up and glommed onto their husband/father. and the police have no reason to suspect trinity had an accomplice, or that some guy he met on his four walls builds would have anything to do with the murder. they would only be interested in 'kyle butler' as a witness, if anything. when the family doesn't know anything about where kyle lives or his phone number or how to get in contact with him, and no one else at four walls has the info, they aren't going to go so far as to get a sketch artist just to find one potential witness who may or may not have any info, on a case they've already solved, when they already have a ton of other witnesses to interview. that will basically be how they explain him getting away with the whole 'kyle butler' ruse. it's sloppy and not completely logical, but by tv show standards it will have to do.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST
is a lot easier to explain away. arthur heard about the other trinity suspect. feeling overconfident, he went to the police station to check out what they knew about the case and this new suspect. lots of serial killers return to the scenes of their crimes, and follow the police investigations of their murders, so it's hardly unusual. while at police HQ, dexter just happened to be the unlucky person to encounter trinity face-to-face. that put dexter and his family in trinity's crosshairs, trinity had dexter's name and so he went to dexter's house to kill rita, perhaps to taunt the police or punish them for having the wrong suspect. they'd have no reason there to suspect dexter had any more involvement with trinity than just a chance encounter.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10 a.m. CST
Clyde Phillips, the executive producer, has said in an interview that Rita will not be coming back like Dexter's father does. The character is apparently off the show for good.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST
by Life Proof
Stop. You are horrible at this.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST
I like the idea of Rita coming back as another facet of his fractured personality. The new trauma he's suffered could awaken a Light Passenger which is in a constant fight with his Dark one.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
...is going to be a serial killer because of this? People don't retain memories from before 3 years old, plus he's a baby and can't understand what (if anything) he saw anyway. Astor and Cody will be damaged by this not Harrison.
Dec. 14, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST
Where I really AM wary of spoilers. Can't wait til Season 4 is on DVD...
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST
Lithgow was great, but what was up with Michael C Hall? He looked incredibly uncomfortable and almost nervous. Wouldn't look at the camera or make eye contact with Lithgow. What's that all about?
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST
First of all, its implied Trinity killed Rita hours ago, considering it had to be before Dexter nabbed him and killed him and dumped him in the ocean, which had to take hours. So basically, baby Harrison sat in a pool of blood, even though hes perfectly able to crawl, for hours and hours on end. Retarded, just force the image and comparison to Dexters childhood. But I also agree with HairyNutsack (now theres an interesting sentence) that Harrison is still too young to remember any of this. I think it will be the series finale to know Harrison won't grow up to be like his Daddy. But I do think Cody is going to be real fucked up. He might end up like Dexter, but I don't think Harrison will.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST
Dex doesn't have an alibi? He was in jail. Then he was "mysteriously" at the scene when the Police went to arrest Trinity. Sounds like a good alibi to me.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST
i watched it. michael c. hall looked a little weird with the reddish/blonde hair and the big ole' sideburns. im guess he looked like that for a movie role (East Fifth Bliss perhaps?), and he probably seemed a little weird because of being uncomfortable with that image out of context.
Dec. 14, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST
by Adelai Niska
One is to pick up moments after, with the cops investigating. Dex would have to hide Trinity's money, the neighbour would talk about how Dex was a jealous maniac, etc. The other is to skip a few months down the line and have Dex on his own raising the kids, the cops having long-ago assumed that Trinity killed Rita. <p> I bet they go with option 2.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST
by I Hope You Die
I think they'll use it to resolve the issue of why Trinity will kill Rita. It's bound to be on camera and Dexter can say he'd never seen the guy before, came out to tell him he shouldn't be there and that's how Trinity got his name. He was just looking for someone to target in the police station. Nobody is suspicious of Dexter and blaming him for Rita's murder would be bizarre.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST
I'm not sure Dexter has any legal rights to Cody and Astor... they might be off the show, or at least off the show as full time. Dexter will just be with Harrison, is my guess, and other family members will raise Cody and Astor
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST
...that a blood-spatter analyst was at a swat raid in the first place. Don't they at least need to find SOME blood first. Dex isn't a cop.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST
Just speculating. I mean if you were Trinity on Dex's table, wouldn't you say, "ya you got me, oh by the way, I killed your fucking wife. Plus, if it was a revenge thing, he could have gone for the whole shebang and murdered little Harrison. He's not above killing children after all.
Dec. 14, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST
eventually...as for next season, I agree with the poster talking about Quinn catching on to Dexter more. He's the wild card for next season. But Doakes was way more badass, so there's no way Quinn will survive.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST
I think Matsuka has his own weird fucked up morals (which is why he went to Thanksgiving with Deb, and wanted to tell Dexter abour Rita's kiss) but they're clearly not the same as the rest of society (just look at any other episode he's in). <p> I think if Dexter told Masuka that he kills bad guys, Masuka would eventually be okay with it. (Like maybe not immediately, but give him a day or two.)
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST
One of us is getting our timelines confused. From what I recall, Dexter was in jail the day *before*. The day after that is the day of the raid, but Dexter can't have been at the house more than an hour or so (no blood to analyse, plus Deb telling him a rather horrific secret). After that, as far as his friends and family go, he's nowhere to be seen (because he was hiding in Trinity's car). Sure, we know he didn't kill Rita, and I doubt his pals at Miami Metro would suspect him. But unless someone saw Arthur Mitchell drive up to Dexter's house, or the FBI forensics team happens to be able to pinpoint time of death to early morning, he doesn't have an airtight alibi.
Dec. 14, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST
It was without a shadow of doubt, Trinity. It was clear from the show, and Lithgow confirmed it in the interview immediately afterwards.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST
I think that the show has to have Deb realize more fully that something is not right with her bro and soon, considering the events of the finale. Let's look back at the totality of the show's events up to this point. Dexter was the brother of the Ice Truck Killer and the first person on the scene when they finally discovered who he was, saving Deb from being murdered. Then he had a long-running feud with the cop who then supposedly turned out to be the Bay Harbor Butcher, even being attacked by Doakes shortly before he became the prime suspect. This was followed by the family of Dexter's then girlfriend being attacked by his crazy lover Lila, who then "disappeared". Then Dexter becomes good friends with Miguel Prado shortly before it turns out he murdered the lawyer. And now we have the whole mysterious "Kyle Butler" person who has to be brought up at some point by Arthur's family. The cops would still be looking for Arthur and Kyle Butler would be sought after for questioning as well. They would surely question other 4 Walls volunteers, maybe even the ones who saw Kyle Butler save Arthur Mitchell on a build that just so happened to be near to where Dexter was attending his weather conference. Then he's seemingly first on the scene at Arthur's house, and to top it all off, Rita is the last victim of the Trinity Killer. Way too many coincidences and connections for Deb not to at least conclude that something is just not right with her bro. Next season has to have her continuing to question who Dexter really is, if not finding him out completely right away.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST
Clyde Phillips did an interview on EW after the finale. He said it was defnitely Trinity that killed Rita. But the Kyle Butler thing is definitely an issue because as far as the police are concerned Trinity is still at large. He hasn't been caught, so they'll be conducting a huge manhunt. And so they will be asking his family about his friends, acquaintances, anyone who might have known where he went, anyone who might have helped him. Surely Kyle Butler is going to come up. And it's an FBI investigation now so there may be another Lundy figure looking to track him down.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Watch the episode again and check out how many times Dex leaves fingerprints. Arthur's van is like a mosaic of Dexter fingerprints. Without question the FBI will be going over the van with a fine tooth comb.<p> Maybe it's not Dexter who's sloppy so much as production. They really need to keep a handle on things like this for this show to remian remotely believable in this age of high tech CSIing.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST
Someone mentioned Rita's death fitting Trinity's cycle, but I thought the bathtub murder victims had 2 children, not 3? Or am I wrong and this doesn't fit Trinity's pattern at all?
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST
...and was there a 5 day lapse between the missing person's report and Rita's death?
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST
do you consider 1980 as part of the 80's or part of the 70'S? do you consider 1990 as part of the 80's? no, i didnt think so. because 1990 was the start of the 90's. so how can you consider 2010 as part of the 2000's or whatever you want to call it? its part of the "teens". just as 2020 will be the first year of the 20's. the year 2000 was the first year of the current decade. 2000,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,07,08,2009 thats 10 years you morons.
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST
by Life Proof
So you believe there was a year zero then?
Dec. 14, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST
kill people who argue about when the decade's over. It'll be like a 200 episode season. :p</p> <p>I absolutely loved this season and this episode and have not one complaint. For next season I feel like it has to be Deb & Quinn figuring out that Dex is a serial killer. There isn't really a need to hide Rita's death. I'm no expert but I think when the police start getting close to serial killers they often change the pattern or kill someone they normally wouldn't have out of "necessity".</p> <p>Someone speculated a jump of years. I hated it when WEEDS did and I really hope they don't. The last thing I want to see is a 16-year-old Harrison.</p>
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST
there were talks of Dexter killing off Harry in his mind, but it didn't happen. by the way, i think next season dexter is going to start off on a rampage and be killing more than ever.
Dec. 14, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST
Decades != Millenium. We don't use decades as a means of extreme periods of time, where they need to all be linear. They are quite simply groups of 10. It doesn't matter if they line up all nice and neat going back to ancient times. A decade merely needs to contain 10 years. 0-9 is 10. The end. They are only used within the span of a century, nothing more. They don't need to match up with the bloody Roman Empire. STFU!!!!!!
Dec. 14, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST
The mothers were jumpers, not bathroom victims (they were Trinity's young-ish sister). Who gives a shit when the decade ends...
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST
I think Quinn is Dexter's nemesis next season. He's going to think it was murder. He implied that he thought Dexter was sleeping around with other women when he ran into him in the parking lot. It'll start there and he'll slowly unravel the truth by picking up the pieces Dexter left in his sloppy wake. The sad thing is that Dexter already killed Rita's murderer, he already has his justice so to whom will he be applying his revenge? It's just sad powerless rage at this point. Sounds like he'll be even sloppier.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST
...is going to be the new Doakes. Clyde Phillips said as much-- once they killed off Doakes, they realized they had abandoned a great dynamic.
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST
Quinn is too much of a douchebag to be as funny or badass as Doakes
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST
Deb will figure out that Dex is a killer and also learn that her father is the one who taught him The Code, thereby giving her a HUGE moral dilemma about whether or not to turn him in. <P>
Dec. 14, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST
she won't turn him in.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST
If you think the show is good then read the books. Your missing out.
Dec. 14, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST
That is so 1980's
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST
1999 was the final year of the 90s but 2000 was the last year of the last century (and millennium). The first ten years AD were 1-10, but a decade can be any span of ten years. So this IS the final year of the noughties, but that decade is not in sync with the sequence of decades that ran 1-10, 11-20 etc. <p> Is there any official version of what the default interpretation of "THE decade" is? (Shrugs.) I guess we're much more familiar with the concept of the 80s, the 90s etc than with the calendar decade sequence that began 1AD-10AD.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST
Oh right, vox! My mistake. Thanks for the clarification.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST
I thought he was just annoying. He was a one dimensional character who was only capable of being pissed off and yelling. I was only disappointed that he never wound up on Dexter's table. Quinn has potential to be a better archrival than Doakes ever was, if only because he has a better actor playing him. The dynamic of Dexter having a nemesis within the department who's on his tail is good, but Doakes was too bland to make it work. The thing about Quinn is that I don't buy the character as smart enough to figure Dexter out. I could've bought Lundy as that guy, but Quinn is basically a stereotypical meathead cop who was stupid enough to compromise himself by hooking up with a reporter and stealing from crime scenes.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST
That bugged me, too. Before the finale aired, one of the spoilers floating around was that Rita and both Cody and Astor would be all three trinity kills, with Trinity trying to make Dexter #4 to complete the cycle. Since we never see Cody or Astor at the end, Trinity presumably could have gone that route (as implausible as it may be since they went to Disneyworld). I guess the reason that Rita died in a bathtub instead of from a fall was solely to get the "born in blood" image with Harrison at the end. I can forgive that a lot easier than I can forgive the loose ends of Kyle Butler or the apparent lack of security cameras whenever Dexter is stalking or drugging his victims.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST
Quinn being the new Doakes doesn't necessarily mean they'll be the same type of character. He'll just be another character to play Dexter off of. <br><br>I don't think Deb can find out. If she does I seriously doubt she would have any dilemma about turning him in. Which would mean Dex would have to kill her, and I don't see that happening. <br><br> Killing Rita off was too easy. Both she and the kids were annoying to me, sure. But now you have the kids living with the grandparents, Rita gone and Dex keeping his "born of blood" child so he can continue the Harry/Dex relationship to the next generation. It all just felt too easy to me. <br><br> Regarding Rita's death not fitting Trinity's MO - he was pissed the hell off. It's just that simple. MO went out the window. However, if the kid had not been rescued, the bathtub murder at least would have been next in the cycle.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST
It actually would make sense for Quinn, being Dexter's new nemesis, to see that Deb didn't quite fit Trinity's M.O. and pair that up with his suspicions of Dexter sneaking around. It wouldn't be something the rest of the department would go for, but it makes a lot of sense.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST
I have a friend who INSISTS that I need to do so. I've been trying to get him to read any number of books for years and he would never do so (he doesn't read much). Then, watched the first season and fell for it. Went and got whatever book(s) was out at the time and became hooked on those, too. He then got me into the series, which I've been hooked on since. But he keeps telling me all this stuff about the books and they just sound too different to me. I like the dynamic of the series and I don't want to find that it's not as good as I think by reading the books. When the series is over I'll go back and read all the books.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST
I do think that Quinn is going to start to put two and two together next season. He commented on Dexter sneaking around how many times this season? Then Dex is in the garage when they know he shouldn't already be there. Deb, for whatever reason, trusts him implicitly. Quinn, not so much. Once the fallout of a Trinity style killing in Dexter's house part of the story next season I fully expect Quinn to piece things together.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST
As stepfather, Dexter keeps the kids with both their biological parents dead. The more I think about the ending, I don't think killing Rita did ANYTHING to free up Dexter to go around stalking victims at night. He'd still be caught up raising 3 kids alone, even without Rita there to nag him. The fallout of Rita's death would really show itself in Dexter's emotional state and the relationships he has between the kids, Deb, and his coworkers. Deb, in particular, will probably be brought a lot closer to Dexter and the kids now that she knows Dexter's experienced two tragedies worse than she went through. If he's really "the next Doakes," then Quinn might suspect Dexter offed his wife to look like a Trinity kill (doesn't perfectly fit the M.O., afterall) and spend next season leading a one man crusade in the dept. to connect the dots. Those things would set up some interesting dynamics for next season. Harrison's "born in blood" moment came too early to traumatize the kid (or at least, it would have in real life), but it will have significance for Dexter in terms of seeing more of himself in the boy. I really hope they don't cop out and jump to a much later point and gloss over the immediate aftermath. It would also be interesting if the FBI is still in Miami hunting for the Trinity killer next season, and maybe even stumbling onto some of Dexter's kills, when only Dexter knows that Arthur Mitchell is long dead. It would be a real "Holy Shit" moment if new victims of the "Bay Harbor Butcher" are discovered while the FBI's in town, now that Doakes is long dead...
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST
...will go to the grandparents. They're the blood relatives and Dex really hasn't been in their lives that long. If they were kept on the show they'd have to build that relationship (more kids on screen time, more kid acting), and that's just really not what the show is about. However, I totally agree with Deb getting closer to Dex through her discovery of his tragedy and now his child going through the same thing.
Dec. 14, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST
All good, strong points. I like it. More moping whiny Deb, well, I don't like that so much. But your interpretation of this season is good food for thought.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST
by Logo Lou
What purpose does Trinity killing Rita serve from Trinity's perspective? He obviously wanted to kill Dexter, he was pissed when he first went to Deb's place. So he kills Deb to punish Dexter, sure, but he's knows the game's up. Even if he thought Dex was just a vigilante/extortionist, he knows that the police know who he is now and killing Rita would only make Dex more determined to catch him. Why run at all until he killed Dexter? After killing Rita, why not just hang out in the apartment waiting for Dex to come home, kill him, then start running? The only one that could possibly give the police more info on him than they already had was Dexter.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST
But did Trinity know he'd been found out? I don't think he did. Damn, I guess I'll have to re-watch it. However, I do believe he just killed Rita to punish Dexter. He told him at the station, very clearly, that he would do so if Dexter didn't leave him alone. And well, Dexter DIDN'T leave him alone. Also, as you and I both said, he was just out of his mind pissed off. Lastly, he tells Dexter on the table, "you don't know shit", or something to that affect. It was a game to the end.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST
...says he's performing in Waiting For Godot in London, 21 January - 3 April 2010. And IMDb lists The Hobbit 1 and 2 as his only future projects. I'm going to roll with that being an answer to the McKellen question. Still a wee bit concerned about Viggo, though.
Dec. 14, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST
...how does that mess happen?
Dec. 14, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST
...of the finale is the most "shocking" revelation shit. I spent the whole finale guessing what the fuck was going to happen. "Oh shit. Deb knows. She's going to find out he's a killer". Next, "Wait. Why is Deb talking to the dad from Unhappily ever after? Is he Dexters's real dad? Why does he know so much?". Then, "No, that's dumb. It's got to be more monumental. Either Dex is going to lose or someone in his family's going to be taken away with him..it has to match this season's theme...Rita and the kids go on vacay. Deb is a goner". Then, "What the fuck? He caught trinity? There's three minutes left. WHO'S GOING TO DIE?" and finally, "Oh fuck. Rita came back. Bitch is dead". The moment would have been much better if I went in without any expectations (DAMN YOUS EXPECTATIONS!). I wish Dex got caught instead. They would cut out all the fat and Dex's friends and family on on a manhunt for him. I'm not sure if I'll be back next season.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST
I got the feeling that in her mind Dexter was this prince charming, the perfect man, but for some reason, (his work & secret life, which kept him busy) she felt that she wasn't good enough for him, that she wasn't wanted; factor in some self-loathing, huge guilt for kissing the neighbour, plus the whole talk in the car was just weird, Dexter second guessing her honeymoon plans, plus her whole drug past and domestic violence past. I think that Rita killed herself. I'm not psycho.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST
Julia Benz's character gets stabbed and dies leaving behind a crying baby boy who is rescued by the boys serial killer father. Hmm, sounds familiar. Angel season 3 ep 9? If so I know exactly what will happen next year on Dexter: A nemesis from Dexter's past will kidnap the boy and take him to a hell dimension and will show up 2 episodes later having aged 16 years. ... well maybe not exactly that way, but if Rita's ex-husband Paul (Dexter's Holst) shows up next year, results could be similar.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST
Got killed off in the first season, I thought. Dex set him up for drug charges, then he got killed in jail or something.
Dec. 15, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST
is a pointless activity. i love the show, but ive realized how much i suspend disbelief to watch it. if the Miami police dept acted even a tiny bit like a real police force, dexter would have been caught in season 1. (and season 2, and season 3, and definitely season 4)<br><br>so saying things like.. <br>well next season the feds would have to figure out.. <br>or<br> rita's death was out of the cycle so the cops would have to look deeper and find out..<br>is a pointless exercise. the writers are writing a character story about a serial killer with a code, so they take some real liberties with the police procedure side of the show.
Dec. 15, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST
Only a psycho would feel the need to claim he wasn't a psycho. :) <p> j/k. Don't you think Rita's phone message is pretty straightforward? She sounded happy, not suicidal. <p> In addition, the most common form of suicide in women is pills. For men its guns. <p> For me, it'll be heart attack via drug-induced sex orgy. Possibly streamed over the internet to people like you. You know, *not* psycho's. :)
Dec. 15, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST
Agreed. It's not a procedural - not even close. The longer I watch the more I realize it's really just about what goes on inside Dexter's head and how that affects the world around him.
Dec. 15, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST
someone named Kyle Butler was murdered a few days prior. it's not just the family mentioning him, it's that AND the dead Kyle Butler that will make it a big issue. so now the police question Arthur's family, they mention Kyle Butler as a newfound friend of Arthur. the police tell them that Kyle Butler was murdered a few days earlier by Arthur. they say, "well, uh...no, he was here right before you busted in."<p>the VERY FIRST thing the police would do would be to have them draw a sketch, which would look exactly like Dexter. that's a HUGE problem.<p>there is NO way they're going to ignore that when next season starts. they'll either have to have Dexter somehow communicating with the family to convince them not to mention him. or else he'll have to explain it, which will be difficult. I mean, the police KNOW that someone framed the other guy with Arthur's DNA, and no one would know how to do that better than Dexter. <p>they better wrap that up, or it's really lazy.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4 a.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
Hell, I think he's protecting him - using him to clean up some messes. I guess Harry told him and asked to watch over Dexter.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST
She didn't commit suicide, and wasn't killed by anyone other than Trinity. If you remember the first episode of this season, when Trinity gets in the bathtub with his victim, he says to her, "It's already happened." On the final episode, just as Dexter is about to kill him, he says, twice, "It's already happened." Why did he kill Rita the way he did? I think so Dexter, who was familiar with his M.O., would have no doubt in his mind that Trinity was the murderer. It was Trinity getting revenge on Dexter.
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST
I think so, too. The Captain knows ALOT more then he is letting on.
Dec. 15, 2009, 6:50 a.m. CST
Seeing the baby in that pool of blood, crying, really fucked me up. That image is gonna fester.
Dec. 15, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST
Just got showtime. Really want to start watching but didn't want to buy dvds or start in the middle of the series with reruns.
Dec. 15, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST
How did Trinity know where Dexter lived and Rita? I don't remember seeing anything with Trinity finding out Dexters home. And since we already know that Rita/Dexter left in the morning, and Trinity went to pick up his car in the afternoon (?)...it HAD to have happened not long after Dexter left the house. What did I miss? Because as shocking as the ending was, it felt tacked on. And I agree with whomever else said it...as a new parent, seeing harrison on the floor at the end was hard to watch. Especially since he was clearly sitting on that floor all day and night by himself. Other than that, an amazing season I felt. Full of tension and excitement from begining to end. The "marriage" storyline was pointless though and only took away from the rest. And their final dialogue..."you're my husband...you're my wife" was TERRIBLE. I also don't think Harrison is going to be a killer. I think Dexter seeing Harrison in the position he was once in will only further push his movement towards caring and becoming more of a human being.
Dec. 15, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST
during this whole season, I was like "I really don't give a shit about dexter's love life, please let them all die horrible deaths". I guess 1 out of 4 is a good start. I was really sick of all that wacky "oh shucks, I'm on my way to murdering someone, but first I have to pick up some diapers" dialogue. was that supposed to be funny?
Dec. 15, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST
I'm sorry, but I don't buy the people's logic that it is a plot hole. As far as the family is concerned there is NO connection between Butler and and Trinity. Trinity builds houses for charity all around the country, so this probably wasn't this first time he's brought home a charity case, or fellow volunteer. Also logical to assume that since Butler has fought to protect the family from Trinity (especially the son) they would never suspect he was involved with Trinity's crime spree. Especially since there is so much evidence both of his serial killer ways AND insane abuse at home. Why would cops mention him and why would the family drop his name to police? It makes no sense to me. The family is probably traumatized right now and not thinking straight anyway. Plus there is all the evidence of Arthur fleeing the country. AND...even assuming the family suspected Kyle was going to 'take care' of Arthur...would they really care or would the police evidence help them justify doing/saying nothing in hopes that Arthur does, in fact, get killed? The ONLY possible loose thread is the trucker who was framed, but since Arthus was active for over 30 years without even being suspected (other than by lundy), it isn't hard to believe the police would just assume he was smart enough to frame a trucker.
Dec. 15, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST
I too, was tired of Rita. But Harrison sitting in a pool of her blood? Sooo not-cool.<p>I mourn for Dexter.
Dec. 15, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST
The decade isn't over. It is a fact you fucking moron. There is no 0 year. The first decade was 1-10. So this decade is 2001-2010. It's easy if you're not a fucking blithering idiot.
Dec. 15, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST
1. On this stupid decade topic...who cares if the correct span of the decade is 2001-2010? In practical conversation, no one considers 1990 part of the 80s, or 2000 part of the 90s. There are plenty of examples in our culture where terms take on different practical meanings than the true, correct ones. Get off your high horse and just accept it. 2. On the Kyle Butler topic, I still see a plot hole here that I expect they'll just gloss over. With Rita's death, whether Dexter is a suspect (he should be given some marital problems and the fact that he has no alibi for the past few hours and won't have called in her death for a few hours after it happened), or just the sensationalism of the story (a member of the police department's wife killed by Trinity), Dexter would likely be all over the news after this. It's hard to believe Trinity's family wouldn't see something in a newspaper or somewhere talking about Dexter Morgan...but with a picture of the guy they know as Kyle Butler. Then they'd have to come forward and tell the police that this guy had gotten involved with their family recently, etc. Like I said, I doubt they'll even deal with this, but it's a stretch.
Dec. 15, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST
Where was that supposed to go? "Third time's the charm?" Glossed over, much like Kyle Butler will be...
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST
Buy the DVDs, or rent them, or borrow them. If you don't care about the legal implications, you can find them for downloading on many bittorrent sites, but you are running your own risks there and I don't think AICN lets any posts go up/stay up which teach people how to pirate. <p>
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST
The same he found Dexters old apartment, presumably. Search engine/yellow pages/whatever. It wouldn't be difficult to find Dexters home, once you were poking around in his old place (now lived in by Deb). <p> I used to hate the way movies and TV shows felt like they had to show you every single little step in the plot. I'd always wonder "Why do they treat the audience like idiots?" <p> Now I know. Because sometimes some members of the audience need that hand-holding.
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST
(damn it, how do I do line breaks?)I still fail to see what difference it makes that Rita is dead regarding a "Kyle Butler" plothole. There is no indication that previous victims were plastered all over the media, let alone their families and spouses. There would be a story, sure, but I don't get why Dexter's picture would have to be a part of it. And even if it was, all that proves is he gave a fake name to the family. Suspicious, maybe, but considering he was claiming to be someone who needed help, I don't see why they would just run to the police about it. THAT, to me, makes no sense. As for Rita's mom...I'm pretty sure that Rita mentioned her first marriage was right after high school and lasted like a month, or something.
Dec. 15, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST
...MAJOR plot holes on this show. And although I do agree with V'Shael about not treating the audience like idiots, I fully expect some or all of the following to be part of next seasons storyline: <br><br>The killing of Dexter's wife going public and Arthur's family recognizing him.<br><br>The use of the Kyle Butler identity coming back to bite Dex in the ass.<br><br>Deb or Quinn (or Masuka, which is still my call) putting things together (like the missing Trinity files being planted at the Trucker's place and Dex being at Arthur's place so fast), making Dex having to at least stop and squirm for a while. <br><br> The entire Miami PD and/or the FBI figuring out someone else was involved somewhere along the line and starting an investigation, also causing Dex to have to stop and squirm. <br><br>And as far as plot holes go, the one thing that bothered me for LARGE portions of this season is the fact that Dex was all over Arthur's house, van and work sites without gloves on. Fingerprints? Hello??? How about hair DNA? So, yeah, what they do with all this will be interesting next season.<br><br>I'm not sure I can go with the Captain knowing about Dex being a serial killer. But I do think he knows more than he's letter on... or at least they tried to foreshadow that thought at us.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
jesus, you fucking moron.<br><br>ugh, i was going to sit here and list at least 3 different places that are far more intelligent than both of us, that explain how the decade ends dec 31, 2009, but its not worth my time. i dont care if you believe it or not. and no amount of evidence is going to prove retard like you wrong. you still asking for obama's birth certificate? the funny thing is, people like you think you're the only ones smart enough to figure out you erroneous "but there was no year zero!" bullshit. <br><br>i will spend my time calling you a fucking moron, you fucking moron.<br><br>christ, what a fucking moron.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST
here you go retard. (I_sharted)<br><br>i await your apology.<br>FORBES: (this is my favorite article, it calls you a idiot a bunch.)<br>http://clipmarks.forbes.com/tag/when-does-the-decade-end/<br>Wikipedia<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade<br>Newsweek:<br>http://2010.newsweek.com/essay/one-dazing-decade.html<br><br>the only place i see supporting your ideas are places like 'yahoo answers' and youtube comments. you know, places retards hang out.<br><br>i dont care that there was no year 0 in a numbering system that was created 1500 years after the fact. do you think the world is going to end in 2012 because some mayans 4000 years ago decide to restart their calendar then? do you think god gets mad at you when you work on sunday, because some guy said he did in a book written almost 2000 years ago? (i mean, there are 2.2 billion christans on the planet, so they cant all be wrong... right?)<br><br>your arguments are arbitrary, year numbering is a man made concept, and you're not 'smart' for pointing out there was no year zero. so go ahead and call 2030, "the last year of the 20's!" ill be with the other, far more socially adjusted, people laughing at you.
Dec. 15, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST
I'M GETTING SO DAMN ANGRY ABOUT THIS...<BR><br>it's because that's how we talk to each other here on AICN.
Dec. 15, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST
Haha, that idiotic shit was driving me crazy too. It sucks that there's even arguments about this decade shit at all though, in a talkback about this awesome season finale of dexter. We ARE in a talkback though, so carry on.
Dec. 15, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST
But it is pointless arguing that the first decade of the 21st century ends on 31 December 2010. <p>To be sure, 2010 is the technical end of the first decade, but it is also true the aught decade (2000-2009) ends this year and the teen decade ends with 2019.<p>Time to move on to more productive and interesting arguments. Like will the Saints and Colts meet as undefeated teams in the Superbowl and so put an end to Miami's dream of eternal perfection.
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST
i'm pretty sure you can watch the whole series on showtime on demand. you should look into that.
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST
We're all assuming Dexter is going to report Rita's murder. But will he? That could create some problems for him. After all, more than anyone, he knows how to get rid of a body...
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST
I fully expect the Kyle Butler thing to just get glossed over, like how Doakes was declared the Bay Harbor Butcher and that got glossed over a couple of years ago. The writers do that a lot on Dexter, and as great as their character work is, it does make it harder for me to suspend my disbelief when Miami Metro makes the Keystone Kops look like Sherlock Holmes. It's not a procedural, but come on! That said, I think that it's perfectly reasonable that Trinity just used Dexter's name and found his address through a little digging online. I can even excuse all the careless handling of evidence Dexter's done this season under the assumption that, as a CI, the cops would just chalk up contaminated crime scenes to legit fuckups on Dex's part as CI, but not want to press the issue because they know it would compromise their cases. Still, I don't want to have to make that excuse and could've been fixed so easily with a pair of gloves...
Dec. 15, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST
It's been bugging me forever. I see others do it, but mine always turn into run-on paragraphs when I post. How do you do it?
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST
people keep complaining about loose ends like this was the last episode of the whole series. They aren't loose ends, they are continuing story elements that, as many have pointed out, will continue to cause difficulties (or "drama" for the morons) for the "protagonist" of the "series". See, in a dramatic story it's a good thing to have dramatic tension and a dramatic story arc and drama in general. You should be thanking God that TV writers finally figured out how to do this effectively some years back instead of wrapping everything up nice and neat and giving you no reason to go back to the show the next year, or worse, conjuring up some "car off a cliff with the hero inside" cliff hanger only to have you disappointed next season when it turns out the hero really wasn't in any danger. My prediction for next season, all episodes are mini-musicals, therefore plot won't matter. Also, the decade ends in 2015.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST
yeah doakes got on my nerves too, but i did like the way he said MUTHAFUKA lol
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST
Why not have them find out about Kyle and who he really is? It wouldn't be a show ender, it would ratchet things up. If you think about it, Kyle never did anything wrong enough to get him arrested. And it should be clear that Dexter/Kyle isn't working with Trinity after the incident with his wife. They'd have nothing on him but a whole lot of distrust, which could make for an interesting season. Well, they may have a whole lot more if Dexter doesn't get his tools out of the shed before they arrive. But they can't go back to everything being normal again after that finale. Astor and Cody are off to live with grandma. She was always trying to be a mom to them anyway and she sure as hell won't leave them with Dexter anymore than Dexter needs the hassle. But how will they deal with Harrison? It's not like Deb has the spare time to help Dexter care for him. Perhaps he loses Harrison to protective services after the fall out from the finale. I can't see the point of keeping him on the show. Either way, he was too young for the blood thing to do anything to him. It won't fuck up the kid anymore than it will fuck up the actor playing the kid. I hope they have an end game in mind for this show and that episode gives me hope that they do. Killing Rita was a good, first step (even if a little sad). That look on Deb's face when she found Dex in Trinity's garage was another good step. This show will not be complete unless we see the reaction of everyone to Dexter's true nature. He has to spend at least half a season as the hunted one. Perhaps even a trial to finish it out. Anything else would be a cop out and a glorification of serial killing. And Deb has to be the one to catch him, cleaning up after daddy's sins. But for all of this to work, Dex needs to start veering from his code more. I think the pieces are in place, now they should use the next two (or so) seasons to get there.
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST
<p>Why not have them find out about Kyle and who he really is? It wouldn't be a show ender, it would ratchet things up. If you think about it, Kyle never did anything wrong enough to get him arrested. And it should be clear that Dexter/Kyle isn't working with Trinity after the incident with his wife. They'd have nothing on him but a whole lot of distrust, which could make for an interesting season. Well, they may have a whole lot more if Dexter doesn't get his tools out of the shed before they arrive. But they can't go back to everything being normal again after that finale.</p> <p>Astor and Cody are off to live with grandma. She was always trying to be a mom to them anyway and she sure as hell won't leave them with Dexter anymore than Dexter needs the hassle. But how will they deal with Harrison? It's not like Deb has the spare time to help Dexter care for him. Perhaps he loses Harrison to protective services after the fall out from the finale. I can't see the point of keeping him on the show. Either way, he was too young for the blood thing to do anything to him. It won't fuck up the kid anymore than it will fuck up the actor playing the kid.</p> <p>I hope they have an end game in mind for this show and that episode gives me hope that they do. Killing Rita was a good, first step (even if a little sad). That look on Deb's face when she found Dex in Trinity's garage was another good step. This show will not be complete unless we see the reaction of everyone to Dexter's true nature. He has to spend at least half a season as the hunted one. Perhaps even a trial to finish it out. Anything else would be a cop out and a glorification of serial killing. And Deb has to be the one to catch him, cleaning up after daddy's sins. But for all of this to work, Dex needs to start veering from his code more. I think the pieces are in place, now they should use the next two (or so) seasons to get there.</p>
Dec. 15, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST
his tools are not in his shed anymore! pay attention, people!<p> and the Kyle Butler thing is a plot hole because the family will HAVE to notice that he was in their house 2 seconds before the police showed up and DISAPPEARED. when they mention his name, and the police realize someone with that SAME NAME WAS MURDERED a few days earlier, flags will go up.<p> I understand this isn't a police procedural show, but if they ignore that, it will be the biggest, laziest plot hole in the history of the show by a HUGE margin.
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST
I remember from the third season that Dexter found out before the wedding that Rita had a short first (of three) marriages, but never told him about it. He shrugged it off with an observation that went something like, "We all have our secrets." In light of what happened in the Season 4 finale, I wonder if that piece of information of a first, unknown husband will have any relevance in the future. It doesn't make much sense to have brought it up in Season 3 if Rita's fate was already planned. Unless, of course, the writers have a diabolical Season 5 twist in store that utilizes it.
Dec. 15, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST
they almost HAVE to leave behind some huge plot holes, because a whole season of 'dexter fixes his mistake from the last season' would be kind of boring. <br><br>they know they probably have 1 episode (if not just a flashback) to get us up to speed with dexter's currrent situation, and get the action started again.<br><br>therefore, for the sake of keeping it an interesting show, they're going to have to leave some plotholes.
Dec. 16, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Yes, she really is, so imagine how much suspension of disbelief she goes through while we watch? But she really enjoys the show in spite of how moronic the cops are.<p> I'll be disappointed if they gloss over the Kyle Butler thing. Without question he would be wanted for questioning. In real life they'd be questioning everyone who knew Arthur, family, co-workers, and certainly the dude that pulled a Houdini when the police burst into the home who happens to share his name with a recent murder victim...<p> The most unbelievable part of Dex's Houdini act is the fact that there were no Police in the backyard already. They don't just walk up to your front door on a raid like that. Saw one happen to a drug dealer right next door to us. They hit that motherfucker from all sides and had a heli hovering 50 feet over the house. Goddam that was cool.<p> And how in hell could Dexter realistically hide Rita's death? Come on people! Rita's kids aren't going to start wondering where the hell their mother is? Deb? Rita's Mom?
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