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Merrick here...
...with some looks at AVATAR, which is currently enjoying a 92% "Fresh" rating on over at Rotten Tomatoes (HERE).
AICN reader Gilius Thunderhead got a look at the film, then shared thoughts with us...
Hey AintitCool. Long-time reader, first time writer. I just got out of a screening of a movie called Avatar, ever heard of it? Kidding, of course. Well, after months and months of mixed to negative fanboy rants, jokes about "Thundersmurfs," industry insiders hinting that the movie sucks, the mixed reaction to the trailers, and whatever else all the naysayers and haters had to bitch about, I am happy to report that Avatar simply kicks ass. Believe the hype. As some of the Talkbackers say, "it will fuck your eyeballs!" And ears too. I went in with medium expectations. I too thought some of the trailer footage seemed video game-ish, but there's a big difference between seeing it on a computer screen versus seeing it blown-up in all of its ReadD 3-D glory. Don't care for the design of the Na'vi? About 20 minutes into it, you won't give a fuck what they look like--because they're living, breathing beings on screen. It's quite simply some of the most dazzling and realistic motion capture to ever grace the silver screen. Cameron set out to make them real and believable and he knocked it out of the part. People can bitch about the story and call it "Dances with Aliens" all they want. Has this story been told before? Yea, sort of, but not told like this, and definitely not like this visually. You'll leave the theater wishing you can book a ticket to Pandora. I think Cameron's best film is Aliens. This movie is still too new and fresh in my mind to say that it is better than Aliens, but after a few days of digesting the film, who knows, it might. I know, sacrilege, right? The performances by the real actors are solid as well. Sigourney kicks ass, The relationship between Jake and Neyteeri is believable, and one of the thing I was afraid wouldn't work, but it did. Surprisingly, there's a lot of emotion sprinkled throughout the film, and I at times felt myself getting a little choked up, again, something I wasn't expecting from CG characters but there are moments in this film that are breathtaking, heartbreaking, and amazing. And the death scenes for a certain few are really effective. Have you ever felt like shit watching a tree get blown to shreds? I never have, but in Avatar, you just might. I detected and heard sniffles throughout the theater during various moments of the film. There are moments of bad assery and cheer too. Remember the feeling you got when you first saw Aliens and you get to that scene when Ripley emerges from the cargo dock in the power loader? There are plenty of those moments. In fact, there's one fight towards the end that mirrors the Queen Alien versus Power Loader, only in reverse. This time you're cheering for the alien and you want the asshole in the robot to die hard and good. I guess that's all I have to say for now. The movie delivers on all levels and has very minor flaws and James Horner's score is just the icing on the cake. I will for sure see it again in theaters, next time in IMAX. The movie currently has a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, it probably wont stay that high for long since there's always a hater, but I'd be shocked of this ranked below an 80% fresh rating. We live in a time where everything seems to be a remake. A film like Avatar may have a story that's familiar, but it's set in a world that was built from scratch, visualized in a way that is gorgeous, epic and breathtaking, and made by a director who is a true visionary. I hope everyone goes out to see this film, and 3-D is a must. It deserves every dollar it can get and I hope it doesn't tank. It's a beautiful film. If you decide to post this review, call me Gilius Thunderhead.

Here's the perspective of an AICN masked man called The Lone Ranger, who uses the phrase "brilliantly insane" to describe the movie (which I think is quite fitting).
Avatar By The Lone Ranger Not content to be King of this World, James Cameron has become a god of his own world in "Avatar", a giant, bugfuck masterpiece of obsessive detail, thundering clichés, and jaw-dropping action. Most of the story you know from the trailer. Basically "Dances with Smurfs" amped to the max, Sam Worthington is a crippled Marine who mindmelds with a bioengineered alien body on a distant, Earth-like planet, falls in love with the local warrior princess, goes native, and leads The People in a war against his own people. If you’re looking for an original story, "Avatar" is not it. Despite Cameron’s obsessive attention to detail, he conveniently leaves large gaps of logic when it suits him – such as a multi-trillion, Earth-hangs-in-the-balance effort, that’s presided over by a junior manager, a colonel, and one scientist instead of the phalanx of Vice-Presidents, Generals, and Nobel-chasing researchers that would be swarming over the planet. And just where is all the water coming from that falls from the floating islands in the sky? Anyway, you get the idea. Cameron wasn’t about to let story or logic get in the way of what he really wanted to do – create a dense, life-like world completely within a hybrid camera-computer system and have it be virtually impossible to tell what’s real and what’s not. Cribbing heavily from his own undersea travels, Cameron’s Pandora is a mix of rain forest, Jurassic-era plants, undersea transplants, and fantasy animals all rendered with stunning realism. Even the computer-generated Navi, who really are avatars since Cameron’s system maps the actors’s actions and expressions to them, quickly stop being animated creatures and just become giant blue actors. The 3D effects are outstanding too – part of what makes Pandora so real is the depth of field you feel looking at each scene – everything looks natural to the eye even though nearly everything in the movie is fake. There’s been a lot of speculation as to how well the movie will do – I still have no idea, but I think Fox’s bet is safe. "Avatar" builds to one of the most amazing climaxes you’ve ever seen – a balls-out air and land battle between a fleet of gunships and hordes of natives and animals that’s not going to be topped for a long time to come – if ever. Along with the battle of Minas Tirith in "The Return of the King", this is one of those times in cinema where you just sit and watch in awe and wonder at what you’re seeing. Cameron may not be the most original film maker in the world, but he’s one of the most visceral – I don’t think there’s a better action film maker today. "Avatar", like Cameron, is brilliantly insane filmmaking. If there’s a downside to it, I don’t see how Cameron’s ever going to top this and he may go nuts (and bankrupt Fox) trying, but try I’m sure he will try and whatever it is, it’s going to be amazing to see.

Now here's a review which nicely echoes my own sentiments about the film, including the comment about it taking a few minutes to settle into the "vibe" of the movie. This is from AICN reader Cameron's Bitch. I like this review because it does, fairly, point out a few of the film's jarring elements. I agree with Bitch's assessment as a whole.
Long time reader (cliche' line I know). Never reviewed anything before. In fact, while I read the forums daily, I've never even felt compelled to post for some reason. But my pal rang me yesterday coz he scored 2 tickets to an early screening of Avatar tonight, and of course... I went! Who wouldn't, right? I actually have tickets to the opening night next Wednesday at Imax with a big bunch of friends. So to be honest, I was kinda 'unprepared'. What I mean is... I've been waiting to see this since it was mentioned years ago. And I've been super pumped for a good while now. In my head I was doing the 'countdown' to next week. So to be sitting there all of a sudden tonight kinda caught me off guard. I finished off some work. Rocked down to George St Cinemas in Sydney. And before i had a chance to get all vibed, I was watching it. James Cameron's sci fi 3d epic. His first feature in umpteen years. I don't wanna do a typical review. I don't know why... it kinda feels unnecessary. You know... the acting was solid, of course. He had good peeps in it. We know the overall plot. It's a story that's been told before, sure. So was Star Wars. So have many films. Good and bad. That's not really an issue. Now it's being told slightly differently. To be told any more of the plot (which, let's face it... anybody who is dying to see this knows anyway) or be given more spoilers than the trailers or docos or clips out there have already given away does the whole experience a disservice I think. Because this is more an experience than a film in a way. Deep down everyone is expecting something bigger than just a film. In the same way everyone was expecting some kinda religious experience from 'The Phantom Menace'... and we all know how THAT turned out. So I'm just gonna give you one person's account of their 'feelings' during and after seeing it. Plus a couple of observations/opinions from someone who, I'll admit... had some serious reservations about getting too hyped about how amazing it was gonna be after watching the trailers. BTW. This was a RealD digital screening. So. As it started, and for a good bit in... a slight panic hit me. I thought to myself "something's up with the contrast... the colours...the clairty, all due to the 3D. Bugger! (Keep in mind I LOVE 3D... have a 67 inch 3D Samsung at home, and go to all the 3D films. But gaming and animated films are a different thing. You want your sci fi blockbuster to be perfect, right? And at the first sight of the CG Na'vi. A little bummed too. Again, I thought... no, the trailers were right. They definitely aint completely convincing. And then, I dunno. 15, 20 minutes in... something happened. I can't remember when it was, coz it kinda crept up on me without me noticing. Suddenly... I was sucked in. Suddenly, I didn't notice any of that shit I was letting bug me when it started. Everything looked amazing, and convincing. It was like I needed a bit of time to adjust to the 3D, and the 'reality' of what was in front of me for it. It's hard to explain. It would have to do with the sotry involving you, and caring about the characters and what was going on just as much as the physical aspect of your eyes adjusting to the 3D itself til your comfortable (they still haven't completely nailed getting rid of all 'ghosting' yet... no matter what anyone says) But I'm tellin ya. At that point, I was COMPLETELY enthralled and loving it. To the point that I got choked up a number of times for the Na'vi, and had to stop myself from getting all girly and having a weep in front of my friend. And you know that feeling you get when you see a good war film, and you just want those bad guys (Nazis generally) to die so bad you can taste it? Man... I wanted to dive into that screen and waste me some humans big time. Evil, evil humans. Kinda funny actually... it's a strange emotion to be hatin on your on kind so much you want them all to get their asses kicked. Don't think it's happened in a movie before. So yeah... it friggin rocked, i guess is what I'm trying to say. Now if you're desperate to hate on it (as it seems quite a lot of folks here are) of COURSE you're gonna find flaws with it. It aint a flawless film. It does have a couple of pretty 2D (ironically) 'bad dudes'. You know the kind. Michael Beihns character in Abyss springs to mind. Maybe Billy Zane in Titanic even? But hey... it didn't hurt those movies. I loved the hell out of 'em. There's a cheesy line here or there that did invoke a chuckle out of a few peeps in the audience that obviously weren't meant to. A bit too much testosterone in scenes with the human soldiers that's reminiscent of 'Aliens'. Again... friggin awesome film. All that kinda stuff. Hey, at least James is consistent! But that all means nothing. Fact is... it's a god damn blast. Filled with amazing and unforgettable scenes. And way more emotionally involving than it has any right to be, considering it's bleedingly obvious that the whole message is laid on a tad thick, and obvious (we shouldn't kill our planet, or kill people for oil) It should, and probably will be everyone's first 3d Bluray purchase. My main concern is, it's being marketed as sci-fi. And while my girlfriend couldn't be less interested in seeing it...after seeing it for myself, I gotta feeling she'll love it. Space is just the backdrop. It's got more in common with 'Last of the Mohicans' or 'Last Samurai' than any sci fi I've ever seen before. And my only real bitch. Sam Worthington's accent. I mean... seriously. I'm an aussie and i can't cope. How do you guys? It's just as bad as it was in Salvation. How the hell does he get away with it? If you use this... call me 'Cameron's Bitch'.

The following was published by The Guardian over in the UK (find its entirety HERE):
...there have been a lot of rumours. Rumours that the budget was double the stated amount, more like $500m; that the 3D effects were making people nauseous; that the film, two hours and 40 minutes long, was a complete car crash. The Guardian can reveal that the last two are untrue. The film does not make you feel sick and it is not a disaster. All journalists watching the movie in Fox's Soho headquarters had to sign a form agreeing not to publish a review or even express a professional opinion online or in print before Monday. So by saying Avatar was really much, much better than expected, that it looked amazing and that the story was gripping – if cheesy in many places – the Guardian is in technical breach of the agreement. It is not a breach, however, to report that other journalists leaving the screening were also positive: the terrible film that some had been anticipating had not materialised. It was good.

Here's a write-up from Empire (HERE).
Avatar is an astonishing feast for the eyes and ears, with shots and sequences that boggle the mind, from the epic – a floating mountain range in the sky, waterfalls cascading into nothingness – to the tiny details, such as a paraplegic sinking his new, blue and fully operational toes into the sand. The level of immersive detail here is simply amazing.

Finally, there's apparently a less-than-enthusiastic review of the film HERE, but it's all in French and don't know anyone who speaks that. SO, if a kind soul wants to interpret snippets of the piece in the Talkback below, 'twould be welcomed & appreciated, I'm sure.

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  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by Squinty CGI Flynn

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Gilius Planthead more like

    by seppukudkurosawa

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    it will be good...

    by vettebro

    you will see...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Second. But wow...

    by Wolfman Nards

    Very surprised to see all the positive reviews on this. I'll be seeing it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I was also thinking Plantsville

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    fourth or fifth. Fail. Fuck me.

    by Wolfman Nards

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Really, this sounds like a Cameron movie.

    by Redmond

    Great visual effects, adrenaline, enough cheesy heartfelt moments to infuriate some and touch others (remember, this is the guy who had a Terminator give a thumbs up while being melted), and envelop pushing technology. And yes, it will be the biggest film of the year, box office wise. Why is anyone surprised?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Na Ga See It

    by FluffyUnbound

    OK, maybe I'll see it. But the desperation surrounding the hype on this one is off-putting. They didn't change the art design from the trailers, right? Then it can't be that great. And DELGO had floating mountains too.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by Wrecks

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    the hangover...

    by emeraldboy

    is the biggest grossing film of the year in Ireland.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    "It was good."

    by Iowa Snot Client

    That I can almost believe.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    David Poland at Movie City News says it will be 2nd to Titanic

    by Redmond

    In terms of box office. Also went ga ga over the 3rd act. Only debit, he says, is a few cheesy moments that will make someone giggle, but he says these lead to great movie-movie moments. Also, interesting tidbit: he says the movie is blatantly anti-Bush.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Sounds like Speed Racer

    by Series7

    In that there is a learning curve to the visuals and style of the film.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    i'm in.

    by KonkBob

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Smurfs: The Motion Picture.

    by Quake II

    I will see this movie and I HOPE it kicks ass, but the 10 minutes worth of clips I've seen so far go from "uh oh" to "pretty cool".

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    "it's a strange emotion to be hatin on your on kind so much you

    by Alientoast

    I guess he didn't see District 9.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    random reviewers should keep life details to themselves

    by HaterofCrap

    nobody cares...get to the fuckin point.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    The reviews have made me excited!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Could this actually be a good film? I am tired of being let down by Hollywood.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I just

    by Bellam

    want it to be out already so I can finally make my own judgment. This hanging on reviews shit is so pre-piracy.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    JoBlo has their first up and says it isn't terrible, and it isn't great either. JoBlo mainly blasts the script, but says it isn't on par with Cameron's other films.<p>No one that I know even knows about this movie, or cares. I can't see how this film is going to make bank, just because a small group of enthusiast geeks is all excited. How well did that work out for Serenity? And I'll wager Serenity is a better film.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yes, because Joss Whedon is a better film director than James Cameron. <p> Sheesh.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Of Course The French Hate It

    by A-COD

    If Roman Polansky directed it they would give Avatar 4 stars.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    James Cameron raped George Lucas' childhood

    by mach6

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    You know what I like about Pandora...all the PLANTS!

    by Cap'n Jack

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Why I dislike Avatar's new moviemaking style brings

    by ricarleite2

    Remember when you used to play your good old 8-bit games, and thought they were awesome? And then the 16-bit, the CD-ROM and eventually the latest HD generation came up, and wow... that blew our minds. Crystal-clear graphics, awesome high-quality soundtrack, but an empty shell of a game. Then, what happens? Capcom released Megaman 9, a game made to look like an old 8-bit game that sells like a motherfucker. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of crappy old games out there, and that's the job for the AVGN, but the STYLE and playability of a game is not related directly to it's graphics. AVATAR, my friends, is pure graphics. The only real description I've heard from these reviews regarding plot and acting are "I cried when the trees blow up", "I wanted the bad guys to lose so bad" and "Dancing with Wolves" comparisons. Is the script and storytelling good? Possibly, I have not seen it yet. Is this the reason this movie is getting high reviews? Fuck no. It is getting 5 out of 5 stars due to it's visual effects. Due to eyeball fucking we mocked for so long here at AICN. Seeing a review that gives 4 out of 5 to the 2D version, and 5 out of 5 for the 3D one pretty much nails my point. Will Avatar bomb? No chance in hell, no high-profile movie bombs, ever, unless a miraculous disaster takes place (even Speed fucking Racer got it's money back eventually). But we are now leaving the era of good plot-oriented films to enter a new domain in which the main focus of filmmakinf will be it's visual gimickery. This has been going on for a long time, decades, but it was NEVER the main reason a film was praised. Star Wars was a fucking solid movie, not a SFX extravaganza meant to be just that. I mean, look at our own opinions about TPM, AOTC and ROTS! Now I hear this new generation here at AICN praising Avatar for what it is, and praising TPM for what it was. Did I say many times I wanted Avatar to bomb? Indeed I did, and I was heavily criticized on AICN for saying so. But I will stick to my principles. Heaven forbid, I don't want all movies to be "My Dinner with Andre" or Vicent Gallo crapfests, or Dogma-95 stuff. No. I want the good old movies we used to be able to see and enjoy. Cameron is putting the last nail on the coffin of a dying beast called Hollywood. Now I only await for Massa's positive review to quit.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Serenityseemed like a poor man's attempt at Star Wars.

    by Spacezilla

    Kind of bored me after the opening with that little chick. That one dude should stick to playing Pirates.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Heard all this before

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Idiots on the internet always get hysterical every time a new film comes out: heard this before the SW prequels, Matrix sequels, King Kong, Pirates 2 and 3, Crystal Skull, and Star Trek. Everyone fucking freaks out about how it's the "BEST THING EVER! BEST THING EVAAAAAARRR"! Then realize some time later their excitement colored their perception and the thing in question actually sucks, or at least isn't nearly as great as they thought it was.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Bland Worthington...

    by AnalFissure is this guy landing major roles? Did he win Z-List Factor?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    The French review

    by Archibald24

    There's actually two reviews of Avatar in the link. The first one basically says the film is okay. Not really a game changer but it calls Avatar impressive and poetic. The second reviewer hates the movie. Here's how he starts his review : "Between 7 and 9, James Cameron was a little girl : he drew blue ghorses with six legs [...]. To not upset him, his parents were saying : "You've got a lot of taste, Jane" (we suppose he was called like that). Then, they added to them : "A lot of taste, but bad taste". You get the idea. He's a jerk. The same guy also hated Wall-e last year and Up this year. Also, I have to point out that these reviews are from Télérama, which is known in France for not liking anything.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    so basicly its over hyped huh......

    by theDannerDaliel


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    French reviews

    by anon495837

    The one you linked to is two reviews: one guy is quite positive, but a woman thinks the girlish elements of Pandora's design don't mesh with the military adventure aspect of the movie. (She describes Cameron's aesthetic choices as indulging his inner "Polly Pocket.") In the comments, they link to several other reviews. L'Expres (which is a fairly major newsmagazine) has, I think, the most gushing review I've read anywhere. "All hail the genius of James Cameron," the reviewer says, describing Avatar as "a second birth" of cinema.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    ahh, archibald beat me

    by anon495837

    And recognized that "Aurélien" is a guy's name. You'd think that a guy named "Aurélien" would think twice about accusing Jim Cameron of being girly.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    False equivalencies

    by ColonelFatheart

    Sorry, but the buzz for Phantom Menace or the other prequels wasn't that loud beforehand. Sure, there was Harry's ejaculation over AOTC. The Matrix sequels didn't jazz people on the web or the critical community, either. I will say that the enthusiasm for Avatar, especially from critics, sounds a lot like the reception PJ's King Kong got before it opened, although I have to say Avatar's so far has been even more resounding. U.S. audiences greeted Kong with indifference, though. It was not the megaflop some haters will have you believe it was, but it wasn't LOTR and that's all that mattered to the buzz mavens. That is the true point of comparison with Avatar. Will the buzz propel the masses to warm up to the blue people? All that said, I'm very happy to see this kind of positive response. I've been skeptical, but I was still going to see it out of curiosity. Now I'm excited to see it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Sam Worthington is very handsome.

    by Bellam

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Seems like this might be the first movie

    by ufoclub1977

    that really approaches the wonderful level of detail and escapism you imagine when you read and lose yourself into fantasy pulp novels.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but the buzz for Phantom Menace ??? Really?

    by Series7

    Reports of people camping out in front of theaters on the news every night? Not a big deal? Sure why not.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Also Kong got

    by Series7

    Screwed by Narnia. All the christian groups made it the bigger hit, that foreshawdowed Kong. But I only see one oscar win to Kongs 3. <P> Also The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe pulled a Blind Side on Kong, in that it took the number one spot from Kong three weeks in. Again Blind Side very christian feed movie.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I don't think there is anything that is going to upset Avatar

    by Series7

    I'd say Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel is probably the biggest competitor it has.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Hey Gilius...Park not Part

    by SayNoToRemakes

    Its: hit it out of the park... Just had to get that off my chest. Carry on...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I'm done w/ reviews. Need to see it . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    I know Cameron is capable of mixing great effects, action, and actual heart and emotion. But all these reviews are only telling me that Cameron apparently deserves his ass kissed and the effects looks good. That won't cut it. I'm equally prepared to be blown away or to have flashbacks of Star Wars prequels and Matrix sequels.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that second French review is written by a total

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Été de merde with some real medieval notions. Ignore.<p> I've FINALLY learnt not to trust the early spat of reviews for any tentpole movie, so I'm gonna just wait and see for myself.<p> My friend saw an early screening though, and he echoed most of the reviews so far: some real corniness mixed with some utterly breathtaking CGI world-making and set-pieces. His eyesight was perfectly fine after the screening, however, so I'm gonna just go ahead and assume his eyeballs weren't raped.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Judging from the Avatar clip above

    by Snookeroo

    this looks like Cameron ripped the bumper sticker off a Volvo and made it into a movie.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    My Other Car Is

    by Bellam

    Sam Worthington.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I chuckled at this review...

    by SunTzu77

    "It’s a world that takes a little getting used to. Cameron’s vision owes something to Hayao Miyazaki’s meticulous fantasies and something to the 1992 Australian animation FernGully: The Last Rainforest. At times it verges on the tacky, like a futuristic air freshener advertisement with the colour contrast turned up to the max. The ethically accented orchestral score certainly doesn’t help matters." Source:

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by ColonelFatheart

    Sorry, I meant critical buzz/praise. Of course Phantom Menace was buzzed about. It was the first Star Wars movie since 1983. Folks would have waited in line for it even if Lucas himself came out and said it was nothing but two and a half hours of monkeys eating shit.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Sam Worthington is the Austrailian Shitty LaBeef

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Seriously, the man can't act, and who exactly is clamoring for more of him? Worthington is a bland putz who can't figure out how to do a semblance of an American accent, yet he signed on to do not one, not two, but three big-budget event pictures before his first had even come out!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    by strck9

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    I clamour for Sam

    by Bellam

    he has soulful eyes and acceptable face-acting.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart, I wasn't referring exclusively to critics

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Just hype from anyone, really, which was staggering...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by Series7

    yeah I get what you mean. I think movies like Star Wars Prequels didn't have to rely on getting good word of mouth out. See I think Avatar does though, probably why they are letting all these reviews come out. <P> This movie is on no ones radar, and I don't think Titanic was ICONIC enough for people outside of geeks to sit around and wait for the guys next movie.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Plus Titanic

    by Series7

    Got fucking torn apart and done to death by the billion spoofs that followed. That sort of thing didn't exist back when Star Wars came out. Back probably up until Titanic, I don't think there was ever MOVIE BACKLASH. Like a movie getting hated by its own success, hype and always being in the media.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Avatar's threat ...

    by ColonelFatheart

    ...would seem to be Sherlock Holmes, which could steal some of its thunder as it comes out later. It's tracking very well and it has a huge star, not to mention the buzz on it seems to be very good, too. I'm not saying Avatar will end up like Kong, I'm just saying there are similar circumstances. Kong did indeed win three Oscars, but in technical categories. It got Best Picture-worthy praise from many top critics (check out RottenTomatoes). If the B.O. matched the praise, it would have been in the running for the bigger awards.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Bale does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    BEAKS HATES BALE<p> CNN report that news outlets across the world are uniting in their condemnation of cult film website Aint It Cool News.<p> Aint It Cool News which recently ran a 100 best films of the decade article seems to have snubbed Hollywood actor Christian Bale.<p> Bale, the hardest working man in Hollywood made 19 films in the decade but was overlooked in the list. The author of the list 'Mr Beaks' (real name Monica Fairbrass) has refused to comment but world leaders have been quick to jump to Bale's defense.<p> President Barack Obama said "Bale made 19 films this decade. That's your top 19 right there." He also offered to give Christian Bale his Nobel Peace Prize in an expression of solidarity to The Dark Knight star.<p> Christopher Nolan commented "I made a bunch of movies this decade, all starring Christian Bale. Beaks picked the only that didnt. Im sad and confused by the whole affair."<p> Dave Chapelle, who's film Block Party did make the top 100, also made a statement "If I'da known that I was gurna keep a Bale movie outta the list then I'da never made the movie in the first place. Fuck, it's not like it was any good anyways."<p> The films made by Bale, and snubbed by Beaks include:<p> THE DARK KNIGHT<p> PUBLIC ENEMIES <p> 3:10 TO YUMA <p> THE PRESTIGE<p> RESCUE DAWN<p> BATMAN BEGINS<p> THE MACHINIST<p> HOWLS MOVING CASTLE<p> EQUILIBRIUM<p> and AMERICAN PSYCHO.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Seriously, This Worthington Guy Is Pissing Me Off

    by Crow3711

    He's being, literally, shoved down our throats by huge directors in major, major films because hes, apparently, a mans man. The only problem..he has NO CRED. He never did a single fucking thing anyone has seen before he got signed on to Avatar, Terminator, and Clash of The Titans? Why does someone who can't act, can't control his fukcing accent, and generally is just plain boring and is, basically, a complete unknown still (I woulnd't recognize him on the street) being allowed to get away with all these boring performances and crappy accents? How can James Cameron let his questionable ability to speak American English slide? It was SO jarring in Salvation for me. It was like he didn't even try in some scenes. If its that bad in Avatar, I'm gonna be fucking pissed, because I know itll be the one thing that keeps me out of it. Fuck. Sam. Worthington. I can't wait for these films to be over with so he can disappear already. No one is actually interested in him. Haven't seen him on one single talkshow. I'm sure hes boring as fuck. He shoulnd't be allowed to get all these awesome roles just because hes "manly." The guy can't act.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I wonder how much CO2 was released into the air...

    by ReportAbuse

    ...during the making of this $300M "green" morality tale ... not counting all of Cameron's usual toys

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    translation of French review:

    by Chesterfield Slacks

    roughly translated: "The rumor around this much anticipated film announced an "esthetic shock". Telling you now: aside from the very effective "immersion", the visual experience of Avatar does not represent a historic rupture. But we should celebrate that this is cinema and not an FX festival. The action of this strange adventure, written by Cameron himself, takes place on a distant planet where a group of industrials are exploiting a rare mineral. The problem is the indigenous creatures: the Na'vi, large aliens. To control them, the humans create "avatars", kind of organic spies resembling the creatues and "piloted" remotely. Taking over a body or becoming the body, that is question. We easily understand why Jake Sully, ex-marine nailed to a wheelchair, becomes attached to his avatar: he fuses with nature, the phosphorescent flora, the birds. A form of harmony, both timeless and sophisticated rules the planet. Pandora, presented with a certain grace... It's rare see, in a blockbuster, such a negative conceit on the state of American civilization. The humans are not only imperialists, lustful and cynical, they look backwards and heavy in their bodies like in their high tech imitations. Between these cowboys and indians of a new genre, the future appears secondary. After the amazement, we dive into a war that evokes anger. With images of aerial and land combat both new and impressive, Cameron does not yield to an escalation of violence. He leaves the field open to many interpretations in this vast imaginary universe. Nothing stops us from thinking, for example, that this adventure is just pure hallucination (too much ecstasy?) in the mind of Jake. It's as much a war between two peoples as two levels of reality. One flatly pragmatic, the other more poetic, more aerial, finally more spiritual. Remember, "Avatar" is a sanskrit word borrowed from Hindu religion." Jacques Morice

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    death in AVATAR

    by the new transported man

    I'd planned to see this shit, but I don't really want to see a bunch of native plants & animals get wasted. While I can stomach undercover PETA videos & the like (I feel like it's an obligation), I get even more uncomfortable watching fake animal violence in movies. I think it's because the movie continues without skipping a beat, whereas I'm fixated upon that moment of violence.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Avatar looks like fun for a coupla hours

    by SkeletonParty

    Although I didn't like Ferngully or Dances with Wolves so I don't see how this is going to knock it out of the part for me.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Titantic was successful because..

    by SunTzu77

    the film was a romance...and it had Leonardo Dicaprio that kept on attracting the teen chicks (re-occurring ticket sales)... I really don't see how Avatar can recreate the Titanic phenomena.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    God bless you Cobra Kai

    by gavdiggity


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by the new transported man

    I don't understand how I saw Titanic 3 times in the theatre. Was I cheating on my girlfriend at the time?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Michael Mann Last Of The Mohican's in space?

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Sounds fun to me.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    I don't mind Worthington shoved down my throat

    by Bellam


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Clash o' the Titans posters don't exist

    by gavdiggity

    in this dojo.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Backlash has always been an issue in Hollywood

    by ColonelFatheart

    From Time, 1983:,9171,923577,00.html "The triumph of Gandhi was so sweeping that many people in the industry viewed it as a deliberate rebuke of E.T. and Steven Spielberg, its creator, producer and director. Though he is only 35, Spielberg has directed four of the ten biggest money makers in Hollywood history, including, besides E.T, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Yet neither he nor any of his pictures has ever won a major award."

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    this one time

    by the new transported man

    I was cheating on my girlfriend with this girl that worked with me at the bagel store, & we went to see Can't Hardly Wait. She got emotional for some reason, so I got teary-eyed on command. She thought that was so sensitive, & we made out. The jerk store called!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Translation of the second part of the French Article

    by Jerome M

    Hi everyone, I'm French and a avid reader of AICN. I also happen to be a huge Cameron fan and since it seems that the link to the French review posted here seems to be the first review in France at all, I must admit I'm not too proud to be French today!! For your 'pleasure', I've translated the second of the 2 reviews, the very negative one. It's full of """""" !! Now, FYI, you should know that Telerama is a left-wing paper, well-known for being systematically against anything coming from the US! And when I'm talking about the French left-wing, this has nothing to do with the US democrats: I'm talking red-hot communists (-: So don't take that review seriously. These so-called intellectuals just think they know better than the rest of the world. Still, I guess it makes for a nice read if you want a laugh. Here is the translation: Between the age of 7 and 9, James Cameron was a little girl: he would draw six-legged blue horses, phosphorescent noodle-trees, and Pocahontas-like girl with a muzzle. His parents, who did not want to annoy him, would tell him: ‘you’ve got a lot of taste, Jane’ (as it was probably his name back then). Later, his parents would desperately add: ‘a lot of taste, but BAD taste’. A few decades later, James Cameron decided to let out the Polly Pocket action figure in him. His business plan is simple: since Titanic managed to steal every little girl’s money (with a big love story) as well as every little boy ‘s (with the giant model of a boat in freezing bath tub), let’s do it again. For the ladies, we have a colorful fauna and flora. For the gentlemen, battle scenes that drag on for too long - and it doesn’t matter if both aspects hardly fit together. Since Avatar is supposed to re-invent Cinema too, it required some sort of depth, some vague subtext: in this never-ending transposition of the western (Deep Space Cheyennes-style), the pro-natives morale is expressed in the form of a honey-sweet nature-friendly kinetic mud, and a pantheistic, miyazaki-like exaltation. Both aspects are so simplistic and silly, that we have no fear to upset any believer (ecologist or pantheist) when recommending to either run away or laugh hysterically. Aurélien Ferenczi

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai RE: Bale

    by BurnHollywood

    Your shitting me...really?<p> What, is Mr. Beaks a lighting assistant? Boy, union solidarity's a bitch...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    James Berardinelli tweets:

    by master_of_realty

    "To all those who made out their Top 10 lists without seeing "Avatar": shame on you!" Reelviews

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    "a pleasure to the eye"

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    " but jarring to the ear, its hackneyed plot and ridiculous dialogue transform what ought to be awe-inspiring and moving into something often unintentionally funny." <P> <P>mind-blowing hahaha

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    Sounds like a 12-year-old decided to overdose on a thesaurus. There is nothing in there that makes me think the "reviewer" even saw the film.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by enderandrew

    I loathed Buffy and Angel. They weren't campy fun. They were stupid camp trying to take itself seriously. But Serenity is a fine film. You can't deny that.<p>I've seen several reviews say the dialogue in Avatar is worse than the cheesy, cringe-worthy dialogue in Titanic. They say the script is terrible.<p>I saw massive special effects with their CGI battles during Transformers and Transformers 2. I was underwhelmed. I like big action flicks, but I want a good action flick. I fear this won't be it. The only positive reviews are focusing on how great the film looks, and how good the action is.<p>You can say the same thing for Transformers. Am I wrong to want more? And if you're still stuck on the Serenity comparison, why not compare it to District 9, which had less than 10% of the budget of Avatar, but I suspect will be 10 times the movie?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST



  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST



    ..where you were cheering on the human against the alien?<p>In "AVATAR", it's the other way around!!!! <p>The Game has changed!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    The Internet In Whiplash

    by untitleduser

    It's incredible to see the way the internet, which was ready to hear that Cameron blew it, is trying to react to the fact that almost all who saw this film are confirming Cameron actually delivered exactly what he promised. Just unreal.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Every time the ad for The Squeakuel comes on

    by SithMenace

    I die a little inside. The chipmunks entire dialogue looks like it's literally pasted together from 15 year old catchphrases. I know it's for kids, but so are Pixar films.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST



    open wide and prepare to receive Big Jim's blue Na'vi cock of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    The French Translators


    Sometimes, the TalkBacker's here just rock. Especially you, Jerome. Thanks for the translations . . . that was awesome. Also, your command of two languages is duly impressive. I can count to ten in Spanish. If I stop and think about it.<br><br>Film geeks are the best.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Transformer 2 < Transformers


    I just saw Transformers 2 a few weeks ago. Wasn't expecting much, and was pleasantly surprised that it didn't suck nearly as much as the first one, although the chick who looked human who was actually a decepticon or whatever seemed to totally miss the point. More dialog for Optimus Prime--that's what made Transformers 2.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Transformers 2 < Transformers . . . Dang.


    I'm having trouble with my typing fingers today.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Avatar! Avatar! Wheelchair??????

    by Le Phantom

    Why doen't everyone in the country just mail the studio 10 bucks, because that's the only way they are going to make their money back on this overpriced juggernaut...Good or not! And why is there a guy rolling around in a wheelchair in a high tech society like that???? Am I the only one who think it is stupid?? And yes, I see elements of the Abyss, Aliens, how a highly mechanized army will lose to a stone throwing one and how our country fucked over the American Indians...did I miss anything? All in 3D...which was antiquated and annoying back in the 50's!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay has lost again!

    by Ganymede3001

    Even though he has the coolest universe to play in he still loses to the Thundersmurfs. What a fucking disgrace. I'm sure he'll have regrets about calling 3D a gimmick after seeing this masterpiece shit on the Bayformers. This is how SCI is suppose to be done.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST



    open wide and prepare to receive Big Jim's blue Na'vi cock of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Wait, It's Not Me . . .


    I know it was correct last time. Ain't It Cool is reversing my > and my <. Or I've gone dyslexic. I meant to say, Transformers 2 was better than the first movie. Which is an attempt to damn with extremely faint praise. But . . . fail.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Français? N'est pas trop difficile

    by seppukudkurosawa

    It's just like English, except every word ends with a vowel sound.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Yes, we've debated the Wheelchair anomaly ad nuaseum.

    by Ganymede3001

    And the general consensus is Cameron has completely dropped the ball on that aspect of the film. In the case the good fortunately outweighs the bad, unlike Bayformers2.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    — we…missed…you…

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    While I don't agree with it, I completely understand your lack of enthusiasm. We've all been burned alot by these tentpole pictures. ALOT. But you know, if you do see the film and you end up liking it; you're probably going to have a more enjoyable time then those of us looking forward to it, simply because your expectations are low. That's sometimes; the best way to see a movie. I envy you and I hope you're pleasently suprised.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    What if you don't cheer for the alien?

    by FluffyUnbound

    What then? The real problems with the Dances With Wolves aspect to the movie are 1) You can only really be manipulated that way TRULY successfully once or twice, and I've already seen Dances With Wolves and its remake The Last Samurai, so I may not be as emotionally open to the film as I need to be to enjoy it; 2) The action scenes seem to all be big battles between aliens, their alien steeds, and robots - and what if you don't care if any of them buy it? One insuperable problem I had with Phantom Menace is that I didn't particularly care if a bunch of inept battle droids bought it or not. When Gungans fight Droids, I doze off. I might doze off when aliens fight battle robots too.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Lay it on me. I'm seeing blue, baby!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Avatar = eye candy

    by Ainnem


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Last Smurai...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Only redeeming factor in that movie was the samurai versus ninja fight. Other than that, total crap.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Elephants suck. I don't like the design

    by lprothro

    How are people critiquing the designs of fictional alien beings anyway? How miserable of a person do you have to be to do that?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    2nd to Titanic?

    by jsscript2007

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Higher tomatometer than LOTR!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    Read it and weep naysayers:</p><p></p>

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by jsscript2007

    It's probably the only film that will ever have a chance at beating Titanic.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Hahaha, Apologist! That's great! Check out this one!


    From Hitfix: "From London to Los Angeles, the first screenings of James Cameron's long awaited Sci-Fi opus "Avatar" had many pundits, critics and journalists eating crow. In fact, some of us should be so stuffed we can't speak. Not only is the film anything but a cheesy disaster, it is instead a stunning spectacle that should become a monster hit and a legit Best Picture contender." For every obscure review you find railing against the movie, I'll find plenty more praising it, bro.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Hey, the HATERS are back!

    by jackson healy

    I don't know how good Avatar will be, as I haven't seen it yet, nor have I read the script. But from what I'm gathering, the critics gushing over this film are making the specific point that it's NOT only the visual effects that has won them over, it's also the deeply felt romance at the heart of the story that actually brings the film to life. Is it simply knee jerk hype? Maybe. We'll have to wait about a week before all the negative reviews start to flow in. I understand some French tv show called it mediocre, but that's the French. But I'm willing to give Jim Cameron a chance, being that he wrote and directed my favorite film of all time, ALIENS. All you haters like Enderandrew and Ricarleite, don't judge until you at least see the film. One thing is comforting, though: that the Haters will always hate.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    News does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    BEAKS SPEAKS!<p> Newsflash. CNN have secured an exclusive interview with the controversial 'Mr Beaks' who recently caused a furore with his Bale-less top 100 list.<p> When asked why he chose IRREVERSIBLE as his number one movie of the decade Beaks boasted "Irreversible was the only choice. In my opinion it's right up there with The Accused as the best of all time."<p> Beaks went on to explain "I actually saw between 100 and 150 snuff films this decade, but because they didnt get a theatrical release they weren't eligible for inclusion on my list."<p> "Irreversible may not have been an 'actual' snuff film but it came closer than any to replicating that sensation of prolonged rape. Obviously you get the murder too with the fire extinguisher mushing in the guy's face - to be honest that's just a bonus."<p> "I'd go as far to say that Irreversible was actually *better* than some of the genuine snuff films I enjoyed this decade. The camera angles ensured you really got a great view of the raping and the murder. Yeah, the film makers did a good job."<p> When pressed regarding his omission of Bale films, Beaks commented "I did think about including American Psycho because Bale literally eats out that woman's pussy - but all the sex scenes in it start off consensual. Lame, Just lame."

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    anyone's eyeballs lying in bed

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    smoking a cigarette right about now?? I'm ambivalent about this one but hope Cameron knocks it out of the park.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Remember Titanic?

    by retribution1

    Really liked it first time I saw it the movies, pretty jaw dropping. Can't even watch it now (except for Winslet nude of course!). I suspect the same once the 3D "innovation" wears off. Oh, and I used up my believability of a bunch of bow and arrow primitives beating an interstellar army in Return of the Jedi (I was 11). Plus, if its true as some reviewers have said that plot points bear likeness to Pocahontas and Ferngully, that's just a joke of a story.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    "critiquing the designs of fictional alien beings"

    by FluffyUnbound

    So you're saying that if Cameron had directly copied the designs of the characters from Rainbow Brite and My Little Pony, and used them as his aliens, it wouldn't be appropriate to criticize that design choice? And that doing so would make you a miserable person? Whether you like it or not, this film made risky art design choices [just like Speed Racer did] and if those choices are unappealing to me, I don't have to apologize for it. The color scheme in Speed Racer was fucking gay*, and the big blue smurfs are fucking gay*, and it's possible that Cameron will overcome that and succeed and force me to like this movie, but he definitely starts out -1 in the hole because of the look of the film. [* - the word "gay" is here employed in a non-homosexual context and is not directed at or intended to be a slur on homosexuals. Only James Cameron and the Wachowskis.]

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by Darth_Inedible

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    The second french reviewer

    by Series7

    Is probably someone who totally agrees that IRREVERSIBLE is the best film of this decade. It has an unmatched intensity, and means so many things on different levels. It speaks to the world that the girl is the world and the men is America! <P> Some bullshit like that. When anyone else was reading his translated review, did a overly snarky french voice pop into anyones eleses head?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    The average/negative reviews

    by mastes360

    Is anyone else getting a bit pissed off with the odd negative review (there is only a handfull to be fair) saying that the main complaint is that its not realy a game changer and is just 'Dances with Wolves' or 'The Last Samarai'in space?, i mean first of all how is that a 'negative' and secondly i hope AVATAR is as food as those 2 pretty brilliant movies as i will be very happy then!.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    These reviews don't say anything new

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    They tell us that the visuals are stunning (which we knew from the trailer), that the CGI is great but not flawless when it comes to the Na'Vi (knew it) and that the story is a re-hash with some bad writing and so-so performances (check).<p> Nothing new, and nothing that will change the minds of people not already interested. Will the general populace go see it? Yes. Will it make money? Probably. <p>For anyone doubting that this will make a fortune I remind you of two things: 1) Most of the top-rated TV shows week in and week out are TERRRRIBLY written because that makes it easy for the hoople-heads to follow. 2) Paul Blart - Mallcop

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST


    by ColonelFatheart

    Yeah, the one at The Playlist's biggest complaint is that it's "not sophisticated." What?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    A word about the "wheelchair" factor.


    I know a lot of you needed something to gripe about with this movie, seeing how you haven't actually seen it yet and you refuse to believe it could actually be, you know... GOOD, seeing how Cameron hasn't made a single failure yet, so one of the "complaints" you latch on to is the "Why is he in a wheelchair if there's so much amazing technology around him? How stupid and poorly thought out that is! Cameron has no sense of logic whatsoever. They can put their consciousness into an alien body but they can't fix a spinal injury? How stupid!" <p> First of all, and I'm guessing they likely cover this in the movie, wounded vets are still probably treated with the same level of care and attention then as they are now. Which is to say, not well enough. Especially as the military becomes more and more corporatized (Blackwater, anyone? KBR?) and the people serving in the armed forces become more overlooked, I can't say I'd be surprised to find wounded vets still getting second- or third-rate health care 150 years from now. And when you consider Quaritch tells Jake in the trailer that he could arrange for him to get "his real legs back," I think it's apparent that the technology DOES exist in the story, he just hasn't been provided the work necessary to have it done. Which proves my point. <p> And for that matter - we live in a technologically impressive time right NOW. The Human Genome Project was completed some years ago; we live in a time where we've unlocked our own genetic code and we conduct stem cell research every day for cures to all kinds of problems. Why are people still in wheelchairs NOW? Pretty much for the same reasons Sully is in one, I'm betting. <p> Besides that - I get that you're likely not a big Cameron fan if you're bashing him for something so dumb as that argument, so what you probably don't know about him is that he knows a lot more than you. He knows a lot more than most people, actually; and I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan. Actually, I AM a fan BECAUSE he's as fucking intelligent as he is. Anybody that knows him or even just knows enough about him is aware the man is extremely technically-minded, he thinks on levels higher than most people do, and he's a remarkably forward-thinker. Trust me. The guy knows what the world will be capable of doing and incapable of doing in the future about as well as anyone could know for certain. He's as much a scientist as he is a filmmaker (if not moreso,) and if you think I'm lying, look it up. His movies are typically criticized for different reasons, but technical inaccuracy is never one of them. So STOP wasting your time trying to make yourself believe he's a shortsighted, unimaginative Hollywood hack. He's none of those things. And if you really believe you've got the upper hand over someone like him on scientific and technical proficiency, I think you're the one who's remarkably shortsighted.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit about Avatar when we got this to stare at

    by Series7

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Series. My eyeballs have been officially fucked...

    by LlGHTST0RMER a self-obsessed metropolitan cougar.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    CGI 10/10 Story 4/10

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    "I'm having serious cognitive dissonance here. AVATAR is the most visually stunning movie I've ever seen. If I was just reviewing that, I'd give it a 10/10. If I left that out...if I watched it with my eyes closed, I would give it a 4/10. I hesitate to average that out. But, since I have no choice, I'm giving AVATAR a... RATING: 6/10" <P> Jenna Busch JoBlo's Movie Emporium <P> lol

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Cobra Kai..Now There is a list! Praise Bale!

    by conspiracy

    Why wasn't Bale cast for Avatar? I can only it was Big Jims fear...fear of getting a professional fisting in vivid 3D.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    You lose haters

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    The word has spoken, and the word is good.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST


    by TehCreepyThinMan

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Le Phantom

    by Toonol

    "Why doen't everyone in the country just mail the studio 10 bucks, because that's the only way they are going to make their money back on this overpriced juggernaut...Good or not! "<p> That's pretty much what's going to happen. Except a lot of people will probably be sending in their $10 several times.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Excellent picture Series7..

    by conspiracy

    nothing makes me wanna toss one off like looking at an anorexic horse.</p><p>Professional

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    Tranny Scum Bucket

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    You are beyond pathetic. You had to dig deep to find some generic (semi-negative) review, didn't you?<p>You really are a waste of oxygen. As I said, you lose - the consensus on Avatar is overwhelmngly positive. Find something better to do with your time - like jumping into the nearest oven. I'd pay money to watch you burn.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    ‘Rocky V’ Alternate Cut HERE

    by jerry91748

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    This idiot from JoBlo:

    by ColonelFatheart

    "if I watched it with my eyes closed, I would give it a 4/10." Yeah, if I had watched Cabinet of Caligari or the original Nosferatu or Greed or Sunrise or Potemkin with my eyes closed I would give those 0/10. I think people misunderstand how important the visual aspect is to film-making. Yes, I love great dialogue as much as the next guy, but if a movie's dialogue is a little clunky but the filmmaking is exhilarating and the visual storytelling is on-point, I can forgive that.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    I love how the Avatards just get crazier and crazier; so people who don't like Avatar are a waste of oxygen who should burn, now? You remind me of that Josh1701-A guy, who over the summer flipped out at anyone who didn't like Star Trek, posted three-paragraph-long rants filled with hate, vitriol and rage, and then at the end would post something like, "optimism is back, baby"! I wonder what happened to that guy?...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I hope the movie is good.....

    by jerry91748

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Absolutely seconded, Fatheart.


    I'll test that method of film review next time I watch a Kurosawa film. What a fucking twit. What, did she used to be a food critic, too? "If I didn't put the food in my mouth and eat it, I'd probably give this dish a 4 out of 10."

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Out-take from Beaks CNN interview.<p> "Wasn't this the decade of the superhero. Where's Batman, Watchmen, and Iron Man on your list?" CNN Reporter <p> "There's only one superhero worth a shit. Hollow Man. He gets to rape Rhona Mitra. He's the guy we all want to be right? I would've put that in my top five but the film pussies out and doesn't show the rape. What's the fucking point in having a rape if you don't show it?? Lame, just lame." Mr. Beaks

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I haven't seen it so I don't know if it

    by Dingbatty

    truly is good, but I suspect all of these early positive reviews are from critics who don't want to be seen as naysaying if it is successful, as they did back when Titanic did gangbusters.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    The most difficult to please are French and European movie criti

    by AxeEmAll

    That's why they hate Luc Besson. According to them, he isn't "French" enough with his movies.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    More blog and newspaper reviews

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Coming Soon - rating: 9/10<p>The Independent: 4/5<p> Twitch - very positive<p>Film Threat - rating: A Avatar - 95%<p>Of course there will be some negative reviews; that is inevitable. No movie is perfect. Hell, we've got people here who think T2 and Aliens - acknowledged clasics- are shit.<p> Nearly all the negative reviews will come from pissy internet websites like CHUD, from scumbag bitchboys, like Faraci, who had it in for the movie, and cannot backtrack even in the face of the movie being great. These reviews are juvenile and have no merit. Then there will be generic criticisms of the story being 'familiar' - also not much merit, especially in praise of how well told it is and how emotional, and how the characters are engaging and well acted across the board. That's about as much ammo as the haters are gonna get for Avatar. <p>However, there is always a common gauge for whether anything is good or not. Avatar is clearly going to be on the positive side of that. Suck on it, you trolling bastards.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Check out this pompous review ...

    by ColonelFatheart

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    That's a tough one, Apologist.


    I said I'd find a positive example for each negative review you quote. Here, I guess I'll respond with this one... <p> "AVATAR is the most visually stunning movie I've ever seen." <p> Jenna Busch, JoBlo's Movie Emporium.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    That should be Rotten Tomatoes - 95% aggregate.

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Actually Cameron has had a failure

    by SithMenace

    called Pirahna Part 2: The Spawning. Although you can hardly count that as it was his first major feature, but he has had a failure.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Fa Tass - the only crazy one is you, brother!

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I have never seen anything of any merit from you, even considered negative points against Avatar -only trolling, hysterical fanboy nonsense. Kindly get stuffed.<p>Your friend - The Turd.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I'm still withholding judgement

    by gavdiggity

    until I see the fucking movie.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    And this dishonest, borderline autistic "case" for Avatar suckin

    by ColonelFatheart<p> "As I write this item, the embargo on Avatar reviews has just been broken and the internet is being flooded by critics proclaiming the film is actually great. Before our eyes we are witnessing even hardened Cameron skeptics, breaking down and falling in line behind the film. These are the moments that test men's souls, but we will not bend."

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    it's no surprise you defend someone like Tranny Formers, since you're just like him. I have particular ire for him because all he continually posts is trolling crap, tedious lists, and tries to slam Avatar every chance he gets, never once engaging in conversation or discussion with anyone. An automaton with nothing to say and no mind of his own. A waster. And many others here feel the same way about him. Don't expect me to have any respect for someone like that. <p>And if you wish me to have a modicum of respect for you, too, then kindly pull up your socks. Get it together, son.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST



    I don't really trust any review that (A) doesn't include the reviewer's name (or even a pseudonym,) or (b) compares every facet of a movie to Star Wars. Like someone pointed out in the review's comments, his worst derision of the film was that it "didn't suck" as bad as he thought it would. (Now what does that tell you?)

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Your eyes will need emergency contraception

    by turketron_2

    Avatar doesn't use protection and never pulls out.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Colonel Fatheart, that says it all

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Some pathetic (and one-sided)'war' against Cameron and Avatar, nothing to do with reality or the film itself. They exist in their own hermetically sealed tiny little world - nobody in the real world gives a damn or is even aware of their existence. What a bunch of fucking losers. The rest of us just want to enjoy a great movie. Do these people have lives at all? Is that a rhetorical question?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    "It's baggy, longwinded and..."

    by ebolamonkey

    "...for all the light-speed imagery, just not quick on its feet. Cameron used to be the tautest film-maker around, but he just got slack." - the REVIEW from the Guardian UK (rather than that little snippet above). I think opinions are going to be the same across the board, either they love the spectacle enough to recommend it, or you hate the story enough to reject it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Okay, there are some really bad things to be said

    by blakindigo

    about some of these reviews. Seriously, the Playlist review and the second JoBlo reviews are terribly written, uninformative and in Playlist's case, sophomoric. I mean I'm not the biggest fan of Kirk Honeycutt in the Hollywood Reporter but, at least he writes above a 9th grade level. If this is the level of critical acumen for most geek blogs then I'm 100% opposed to 'laissez faire journalism'.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    So you don't like

    by Sonod

    Sam's American accent? I don't give a fuck. I've never noticed it and most people around the world wouldn't. And since when does Perseus have to have an American accent? BTW, Robert downey's Aussie accent in not one but 2 movies was much more of a joke, but I didn't hear any of you guys complaining about that.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    True, SithMenace...


    ...and the moviegoing public had such high hopes for Piranha 2... that it could compete with it's predecessor on such high a cinematic and financial level was just too much to ask for, I'm afraid. What you generously call a failure, I call a disaster of biblical proportions. ;-)

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Faraci's review...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...will be the most cringe-inducing moment of self-deluded epic failure since David Brent tried to convince everyone he won the dance contest.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Turd ...

    by ColonelFatheart

    Yeah, it's insane. I admit, I've been skeptical about Avatar, but I was always curious about it and I wanted it to be good. This flood of enthusiasm today has made me excited about the movie, and I really do hope it lives up to the expectations. However, I am really getting annoyed by the people who have clearly resolved to hate this no matter what. They're like Peter Griffin refusing to watch The Godfather because "it insists upon itself."

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Long-winded and slack?

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    I could point to some other reviews that say EXACTLY the opposite. That's its a huge movie that's snare drum tight and moves like the wind. There was one that specifically said that it was epic and lengthy but never once felt bloated (unlike say, Kong), and that Cameron's terrific sense of pacing was as usual, a major strength.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for it, Ebonic.


    Faraci: "I was right! It was horrible! And all these other kiss-ass critics around me are just sucking up to the Cameron hype Machine! It's garbage, I tell you! Garbage! I AM Napoleon!" It'll be like some one convincing themselves nothing tastes better than the flavor of their own piss.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Faraci the whore

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    If Cameron was peronally wining and dining him he'd probaly change his tune in a heartbeat.<p> That boy just wants to be loved, I tells ya!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    This talkback is the movie equivalent to

    by SithMenace

    the abortion debate. No matter what evidence is provided, few minds will be changed. It's actually quite pointless.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Faraci is a self righteous scumbag

    by SithMenace

    who seriously realize these are just movies.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    That's "needs to realize".

    by SithMenace

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    That is a fair point, Sith.


    I do agree with you. If I find flaws with the film, I'd like to think I'll be man enough to own up to it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    About the wheelchair Again

    by Le Phantom

    Actually I am a fan of James Cameron, but there are 2 things I hate 1- Stupid, not well thought out shit in good movies! (Even the new Galactica had 70's telephones with cords on the bridge of the Galactica! huh??). no fucking way a wheelchair belongs in this time! Not even a hover chair for christ sake if you need to stretch the wheelchair plot point? 2 - Overblown budgeted movies that cost more to make than the GNP of many countries! Hollywood pisses money away and there is no way a movie! ANY FUCKING MOVIE should cost between 350 to 500 million to make!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Same here Lightstormer

    by SithMenace

    Although I'm not as excited for this movie as I feel like I should be. I think blockbuster fatigue has definitely set in now that I'm in my thirties, and I usually find myself enjoying the smaller films more. Especially after this Summer, where the only movies over a 100 mil. budget that I enjoyed were Up and Star Trek.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Yeah, okay, turd...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    OH, NO! Some lunatic on the internet doesn't have a "modicum of respect" for me! I'm crushed! Turd, I don't "wish for you" to do anything, other than seek immediate professional help. Some of the people on here make me truly worried for the future of humanity...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Chesterfield Slacks: The French Translation Sounds...

    by Media Messiah an absolutely positive review of the film!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST



    Ever since I became a dad, my movie-watching time has shriveled, for sure. So I totally get what you're saying about enjoying smaller movies. The stuff on my Netflix queue these days tends to be independant / "quirky" movies just because they tend to show me stuff I haven't seen 50 times before from Hollywood blockbusters. Well, it's that and some good-quality TV shows that can keep their worth as well-written entertainment. By and large, most of the Blockbusters tend to disappoint anymore (though I'm with you completely on Star Trek and Up, and I thought 2008 was a pretty solid year for tentpole faire.) That said, Cameron has never failed to entertain the hell out of me, nor have I ever felt like his movies didn't give me my money's worth, so I simply can't wait to see Avatar next Friday.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST



    Ever since I became a dad, my movie-watching time has shriveled, for sure. So I totally get what you're saying about enjoying smaller movies. The stuff on my Netflix queue these days tends to be independant / "quirky" movies just because they tend to show me stuff I haven't seen 50 times before from Hollywood blockbusters. Well, it's that and some good-quality TV shows that can keep their worth as well-written entertainment. By and large, most of the Blockbusters tend to disappoint anymore (though I'm with you completely on Star Trek and Up, and I thought 2008 was a pretty solid year for tentpole faire.) That said, Cameron has never failed to entertain the hell out of me, nor have I ever felt like his movies didn't give me my money's worth, so I simply can't wait to see Avatar next Friday.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Weird. Sorry for the double post.


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Wheelchair ...

    by ReportAbuse

    This is actually not an issue at all for me, I will assume Cameron being the detail freak he is has thought of some wonky explanation for it. The most obvious one (given that the fictional era's technology doesn't seem to be an issue) is that the guy's body rejected any mechanical/biological prosthesis for some arcane genetic reason. You could also make the pride argument (that he has some moral objection to getting proesthetics or replacement limbs/nerves) but that wouldn't explain why he so eagerly takes to the avatar project. So, I'm going with genetic anomaly which would explain why he's so eager to jump into the avatar program as sort of a last resort.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Or ... for the really paranoid ...

    by ReportAbuse

    The company, shady as it is, deliberately sabotaged his operations (since the doctors work for them) to make him THINK his body won't accept regrown nerves / limbs, thus more or less forcing him to go into the avatar project as a last resort. Later in the film he would have to discover this deception (that's the pay-off) to motivate his resentment and desire for revenge even more.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Having never seen Piranha 2: The Spawning

    by SithMenace

    I totally agree with you about Cameron Lightstormer, he's never let me down.<p>Congratulations on becoming a dad btw.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Another 5 star review

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    from UK magazine Total Film.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    AVATAR!!! i want you inside of m...

    by ludmir88

    my eyes!!! NOW!!!! AHHHH

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Nope. Devin Faraci just won't let go of his hate boner.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Check out his Twitter page; looks like he is siding with JoBlo. He also managed to fire off a few bitter tweets during his screening. Loser.<P>Meanwhile, Nick Nunziata LOVED it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    BTW, the Na'vi aren't aliens. They're blue people.

    by ReportAbuse

    Or blue native Americans / indigenous folk / aboriginals or whatever. This is a pet peeve of mine which probably goes all the way back to the original Star Trek series having to do with the tendency to portray "aliens" as just slightly funny looking humans but otherwise emotionally and mentally identical to humans. To be fair, District 9 (which I loved) did the same thing ... very alien looking insectoid creatures with the emotional and mental life of humans for all intents and purposes. In "reality" (!) I don't think it would work to just put on an alien avatar-body and walk right into their village ... Worthington's whole psyche, mind and spirit would have to conform to their way of being or he would stand out like a sore thumb. I mean really do the Na'vi have an exact equivalent for "Whoa, dude!" or "I don't think I'm in Kansas anymore!" ... ? Hell, I've traveled around the world and some countries don't even understand the American concept of sarcasm. I won't even get into the question of whether humans will still be saying "cool" and "awesome, dude" in a hundred years ... (Consult 'A Clockwork Orange' for an idea of how near-future language might be different from our own.)

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Sith.


    The dad thing happened a few years ago. Son 1 is 4 y/o now. Son 2 is 2 and a half. And the 4 year-old wants to go with me to see Avatar. That's my boy! (Oh, and to be fair, I've never seen either one of the Piranha movies. Never thought it would be much of a showcase for what Cameron is capable of, anyway.)

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai: I Knew A Girl Who Loved Bale

    by Media Messiah

    He is her favorite actor, she says, bar-none, but I think she is more beguiled by his physical looks, than his actual acting? Bale, although very accurate in, and committed to, his acting skills, somehow...seems off? To be more exacting, he comes off like he is delivering cold line readings from scripts? He is sterile and antiseptic in his delivery. His attempts at emoting, even when he cries, laughs, or shows love, or even anger, does not shout authentic; there is a readable distance there between real emotion, and acted emotion, as if there is no soul in his performances, no matter the level of energy he projects outwardly? Yes, his performances ring of a false tone. Christian Bale goes through the paces of expressing real and full emotion, without ever really managing to convey such feelings--successfully? In the end, he just leaves one feeling cold, as if you are watching a sociopath trying to mimic emotions that are alien to him--that he simply doesn't understand, and thus can't accurately communicate or evoke?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    LMAO, Gaius!


    BTW, "Hate Boner" is now the name of my new band.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Nope. Devin Faraci just won't let go of his hate boner.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Check out his Twitter page; looks like he is siding with JoBlo. He also managed to fire off a few bitter tweets during his screening. Loser.<P>Meanwhile, Nick Nunziata LOVED it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Devin - His site asks for donations. hahaha.

    by snakecharmer

    Yeah, I would be pissed off also. He's still butt hurt wow. Let it go dude. Did he fail to sell his scripts or something. Bitter failed filmmaker?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    by Son of the Suns

    Not hating on the movie, I haven't seen it. I have however noticed that AICN have often pulled out just the extremely positive parts of reviews when they go on to have some criticisms.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    i wasnt a hater..

    by soup74

    but i wasnt excited about this movie..yet<BR><br>I'm excited now.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I hope this will silence the hate

    by mr dark

    This film is now being touted as Oscar bait ..I hope it flat out does better business than Titanic and takes more Oscars..go Jim go

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Okay, the first two reviews are obvious PLANTS

    by Hooded Justice

    Oh, Jesus, AICN - Over ten years in business and you still haven't learned how to spot the glaring tell-tale signs of plant-written "reviews". The first two two reviews are sprouting leaves.<p>I'm not sure who I'm most disgusted with: AICN, for colluding with these plants - or the FOX marketing drones who wrote the reviews: guys, if you'd done a minimum of homework, you'd have worked out how to imitate the writing style of a genuine contributor - such as the third reviewer.<p>C'MON, AICN and FOX - start taking your jobs seriously!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    man this month sucks for me

    by ottomatic

    Issues with switching over to direct tv and yesterday one of my last eye contacts ripped in half. <p> From what I understand to see a movie with the 3d glasses you can't wear regular glasses.So I am shit out of luck till after christmas when I afford to get new ones. <p> <p> <p>

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    man this month sucks for me

    by ottomatic

    Issues with switching over to direct tv and yesterday one of my last eye contacts ripped in half. <p> From what I understand to see a movie with the 3d glasses you can't wear regular glasses.So I am shit out of luck till after christmas when I afford to get new ones. <p> <p> <p>

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    It should win Best Pic this year

    by jsscript2007

    and next year as well, because nothing else will be able to live up to the new standard.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    'Rocky V' Workprint

    by jerry91748

    have you seen this?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    American Psycho is still my favorite Bale acting

    by awepittance

    I don't think he's topped this since then. And even in that case, the character works in part because of Bale's own personal weird intensity, that i don't think carries across very well in his other roles.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    That Unreal feeling

    by gun_will_travel

    Something about marines landing on the colorful CGI alien world and the Navi aliens reminds me of the first time I played the computer game Unreal and stepped out with my blaster into the colorful hi-resolution Na Pali world and encountered the Nali aliens.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Ottoman I don't think its a problem..

    by mr dark

    In the Lie max theaters the glasses are overly large and I don't think they will impair your veiwing pleasure..Your contacts will for sure get ripped anyway from the eyeball fucking you will recieve by "big Jim cameron" enjoy it I know I will.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    My eyeballs are all moist and sassy

    by Vesuvio

    In anticipation for the upcoming fucking.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice I hope your kidding..

    by mr dark

    If the haters have to resort to conspiracy theory now to keep the hate going..Well lets just say the talkbacks have reached a new low..yeah all the people that will be lining up to see this are all brainwashed fools except those who have the wisdom to see the ruse. jeeze I'm done here

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! Nice. Rock it out, sir.<P>Sorry about the double-post. Don't know how that happened.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    The 12-16 yr olds won't watch it

    by sansara07

    Glowing reviews will mean nothing to the all-important 12-16 demographic because...they don't read reviews! This is the most retarded group, but ultimately the fate of Avatar is in their hands. Giant alien robots is something they would go to see, but tall blue aliens not so much. I'm not a hater, but I have a horrible feeling Sherlock Holmes will come across as the more "fun" night out to Avatar and steal a lot of it's business. I predict Avatar will end up making about $600m globally which, considering it's costs, will make it a modest hit. Come Oscar time, it will clean up in the technical categories but miss out on the biggies - best film, best screenplay and best director. So neither the haters nor the lovers will be able to claim outright victory. And the merits of Avatar will be discussed ad nauseum for years to come. Such is the way of things *sighs*

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Media Messiah "I knew a girl who loved Bale..." that sounds like the start of a sonnet...<p> Interesting that those are the 'qualities' you get from a Bale performance. He is a kaleidoscope, many things to many minds. Of course different roles require different skillsets in the actors that take them on. Perhaps 'Bale' as you see him, is a perfect actor to play such dualistic roles as Bruce Wayne/Batman in BATMAN BEGINS and TDK, as the Cleric in EQUILIBRIUM, the twin brothers in THE PRESTIGE, and Patrick Bateman in AMERICAN PSYCHO.<p> Perhaps Bale is a 'bad actor' if that is what you are suggesting?<p> Or perhaps you could name another actor who would have played these roles better?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    "haters" vs "lovers"...

    by gavdiggity

    is why we'll never be rid of the two party system in America. <P> Apparently, there's no room for the "likers" or the "it-was-okayers".

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I knew a girl who loved Bale

    by gavdiggity

    or the beginning of a limerick.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    I knew a girl who loved Bale,<p> She had a big ass like a whale,<p> I stuck in my dick,<p> She said that's too thick,<p> So I said bite the pillow or just wail!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Okay it's not the best, but I came up with it in under a minute.<p> Media Messiah, not wanting to sound confrontational but my simple point is that there are certain roles out there that Bale is perfect for - not in spite of what you observed but *because* of what you observed.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST


    by seansarto

    What is troublesome is how the release of this film coincides with Obama's Peace Prize(The Peaceful "Warrior"..i.e. "noble savage"), "Princess and the Frog" and even Barbara Walters naming Michelle Obama as her most fascinating person of the year...What is disturbing most is that this "entertainment" is so blatantly organized according to an agenda...That it has "propaganda" written all over it seems quite sophomoric....Like the most immature reading of wealth and responsibility. In the bigger frame job, essentially this film can be read as an assault on the values and traditions of Christmas. Also, there is something decidedly studied in the females squat in the clip above which suggests pornography which is the lowest form of undermining another's investments.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Kids without income will be the deciding demographic?



  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Of course they're plants, Justice...


    they're positive, and they don't agree with your outlook. Plus, AICN needs to resort to using plant reviews, and Fox obviously needs to resort to having them written because God knows there aren't ANY other positive public responses to the film yet. I guess they're just scrounging around for whatever review they can find to endorse the film, huh?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    seansarto, Obama is 'the noble savage'???<p> If anything AVATAR missed the 'zeitgeist' of eco goodwill by about 12 months. Hard to give much thought to being 'green' in a recession.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Seems to be be a 4/4 star for Berardinelli

    by master_of_realty

    "Looks like 2009 will conclude with two **** movies. That could change in the next week-plus, but probably won't." Reelviews So far, the only four star rating from him this year has been for Inglourious Basterds, making Avatar number two, if that's the movie he's referring to.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Why is Princess and the Frog troublesome?

    by gavdiggity

    Not sure I know what you're on about, seansarto...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    I've never TB'ed while on mushrooms before.


    What's it like, Seansarto?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Ben Stiller plugs Avatar

    by jsscript2007

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Okay so based on positive reviews I bought a ticket

    by jimmay

    I was skeptical, to say the least, but had for the most part refrained from 'trolling' the film. I'm still reticent, I really don't like most of Cameron's work, but if enough people tell me a sandwich tastes delicious I'll try it, even if the last time the chef served me Braunschweiger.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    A guest probably cancelled and Ben was helping...

    by snakecharmer

    Conan out. It's a funny bit.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    You have been sorely misinformed. 3-D glasses Can be worn over regular glasses, my brother does it all the time. Who told you such nonsense?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    I'm seeing this movie for the Colonial Marines only

    by Onin Solstice

    I love the Marines and of course Sigourney is a welcome sight in any movie. As long as the rest holds up, this movie can't be too bad.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai: He Is A Technically Great Actor...

    by Media Messiah

    ...I can't take that away from him. There is just something synthentic about him? Leonardo Dicaprio has the same problem, you feel that he is giving line readings, or as if he memorized script material, and is just echoing it back, but the feeling is missing? He may be crying in a scene, suffering greatly, laughing, joking, or expressing love or seduction, but it comes off as expressly...false?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai....That poem was Fucking Professional

    by conspiracy

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Titanic bucks

    by Le Phantom

    They priced themselves out of the ballpark with this juggernaut! no way this is going to be a big box office success, no matter how good it is! They will be lucky to break even after all is said and done. I predict it won't even crack the 200 million mark in the U.S. And keep in mind that this will need to make about a billion worldwide to possibly see any profit at all!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Jimmay way to go ...come away from the dark side

    by mr dark

    You will not be sorry ..take that to the bank..

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Calling Kettles Black

    by replevin

    Concerning Cameron's quixotic creation, it seems that all the sanguine posters who scream about "haters" (i.e. those who want to criticize without having seen the film) are just as guilty of the same offense albeit in reverse. They are so sure they are going to love it even though they haven't seen it, despite (1) the trailers making it look like an animated film already imagined by one Don Bluth; (2) that the plot is threadbare seems to be a polite criticism -- the evil military industrial complex is taking something from the poor natives, humans are bad! -- and (3) to say the characters are 2 dimensional denotes an extra dimension where evidence to date suggests only one exists. There are two types of characters. The testosterone-infused military hawks hell bent on mining, industrialization, and making money! And the overly fertilized Naboo, I mean Navi, hell bent on rubbing up on their pretty trees. Nothing in the trail even suggests a conflicted plotline or at least even a modicum of nuance. This could all be wrong, it could be great. But reasons exist for serious pause and a certain level of concern. Thus, it is not implausible that reviewers have a defensible position in not liking the film and when a reviewer doesn't it, it doesn't mean they do not have a life, they write at a "sophomoric" level, or they are hellspawn, but rather they are pointing out genuine flaws. My belief on what I've seen thus far: If all you want is a fun ride, then it's probably great. If you want both enticing visuals combined with a story and characters having depth, then might not be so great. Respectfully Submitted.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Didn't Dances With Wolves get best picture?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    How complicated a plot do you need? Yeah sure, it's a retread, but SIMPSONS DID IT! It's like bagging on Sopranos because the Godfather did the whole mob family thing.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    If the main character becomes a blue smurf for real...

    by Seth_Rogens_Hairy_Breasts

    then James Cameron has seriously fucking lost the plot as a filmmaker!.. I can see that shit happening tbh.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Avatar could beat Titanic at the box office

    by jsscript2007

    Why not? Everyone who saw Titanic will see Avatar, plus a 12yr growth of new movie goers, plus the incredible positive publicity and positve word of mouth. Could do it. No one thought Titanic would be the one.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Le phantom ..I think you may need to recalculate..

    by mr dark

    The movie price for a ticket when Titanic was out was around $6.50 to $7.00 factor in the LIe max and Imax pricings and the $2.oo surcharge for real d glassezs and oops there you go..It may be enough with repeat viewings (remember the love story angle) and the 3-d spectacle to push this baby over the top.. If crap can open at 100-200 million mark now a days just think what a real box office money making machine could do.. I know its crazy talk to think that this can make those kind of numbers but I really think this film may pull that off..It could play for a solid year...I remember when films that where big B.O. played for that lenght of time before being peddled off to video...This if it becomes a hit won't capture the 3-d spectacle at home as it does in the theaters..that I promise..

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Avatar going down FAST over at Rotten Tommatos

    by jerry91748

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    I can see a Darth Vader "No, I am your Father" moment.

    by Seth_Rogens_Hairy_Breasts

    Oh, please no. Hopefully, Cameron hasn't added one of those types of scene.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    The Cat is out of the bag

    by jsscript2007

    and everybody loves it. Anything negative is minor compared to the parts that attract everyone. It's a monster on the warpath and it can't be stopped.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    If you want to stand out in a crowd

    by jsscript2007

    say something negative about the movie.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Depends if it finishes with a lazy writing scene...

    by Seth_Rogens_Hairy_Breasts

    like Worthington's character becoming one of those blue Avatar aliens or something fucking stupid like that.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    It will be the same lazy writing scene like with Titanic

    by Seth_Rogens_Hairy_Breasts

    Oh, the old lady still has the blue heart of the ocean. FUCKING LAME!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Avatar going back UP on Rotten Tomatoes

    by jsscript2007

    Whoo Hoo!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    well I thought that I read that on here and a couple of other s

    by ottomatic

    I visit regularly.I thought harry had something about it too but I guess I could be wrong.I haven't seen a 3d movie yet because I have been waiting for my virgin eyes to fucked properly by James Cameron.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Mr. Dark: very true, but you just KNOW...


    ...that when this movie destroys every other movie around it, the haters will cry foul, saying "it only made so much because they made everyone pay premium ticket prices to see the movie. OF COURSE it made a shit ton of money - if you had to pay $15 a ticket all the time, EVERY movie would see those kinds of numbers! They cheated! Waaaaah!" I'd bet the house on it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    A "No, I am your father" moment?


    Right... because that was such a forgettable, pointless inclusion to The Empire Strikes Back. And it made everyone hate the movie... Yyyyeah.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Chef Cameron

    by jsscript2007

    What really cracks me up are the negative comments about JC's writing. He's not writing to please a couple of hundred people, he's writing to please millions. Think of it like ordering a pizza. If Cameron was serving only you, you could have whatever the fuck you wanted on it. But when he's going to serve millions, he has to keep it simple to sell more pies.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    The tomatometer is going to bounce for a while

    by jimmay

    When you have less than 50 reviews or so, every new negative or positive review will have a noticeable effect on the rating.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Cameron might even become George Lucas with Indy 4

    by Seth_Rogens_Hairy_Breasts

    where they pulled an "if in doubt, pull out a spaceship" moment.<br> <br> Avatar aliens will probably end up being humans who feel the "love".

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    It's actully pretty simple guys...

    by CameronsBitch

    If you love his other movies, You're gonna love this one. If, despite some of the questionable writing and cheesy scenes in ALL his films, you're overall vibe is you think they were awesome, you're gonna think this is awesome. I loved the Abyss, even tho i never got why chicky was waxing lyrical about how it was 'so cold, and dark, and you're all alone down there' to Ed Harris as if she was trying to kill his will to live. I loved T2 despite it's 'I know now why you cry, but it's something i can never do' with the thumbs up as he dies mushiness. You forgive these things... coz the overall movie wins. And all this crap about 'how can the romantic story work on the same level as Titanic'... and...'but what if i don't care about the aliens'. Well, it does, and you will. Otherwiase the whole movie has failed. You're supposed to feel how Worthington's character feels for it to work, obviously. I did. And yes, Alientoast... I did see District9. Loved it. But it didn't get me anywhere near as emotinally involved as Avatar.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    FluffyUnbound... Last Samurai

    by MurderMostFowl

    I never got a Dances with wolves vibe to it. it is definitely a "fish out of water" story, but he does not fight against his own people... he does "become native" like in DWW but the Last Samurai character is already an outsider... I see that story as a personal journey for finding something to believe in, regaining honor, etc., while DWW is more about seeing past racism, and understanding the tragedy of the way his own people were treating the indians. <BR> I mean, I do see the similarities, but if you call them the same outright, then I think you have to lump those together with Lawrence of Arabia, Cool Hand Luke, and Call of the Wild, etc.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    500 million dollar flop

    by Ash_Williams


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    so we can all agree now

    by Ash_Williams

    avatar = poop on a stick

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength was right

    by Ash_Williams

    too bad he was banned for it. avatar = peice of shit

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    $240M smash success

    by jsscript2007

    Avatar will win best pic. Everyone loves it.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Yes Lightstormer you are correct..

    by mr dark

    The hateful ones will never give up..They will find a way to justify their reasoning no matter what the numbers or critics will prove. I feel real good about the direction Mr. Cameron is going here..I hope he still intends to make his vision of Forbidden Planet as well as Fantastic Voyage. He supposedly has a three movie story arc for Forbidden Planet fleshed out from what I've heard..Now that would be awesome indeed..Also Battle Angel Alita.. come on people what do you want from this guy he has delivered almost every time at bat with a solid money making , crowd pleasing film..He is a fucking one of a kind director..

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    jsscript2007, hahaahahahaahahah

    by Ash_Williams

    you are delusional! here come the avatar apologists!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    you should see your faces!

    by Ash_Williams

    cameron = michael bay

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    ASH is a closet Na'vi

    by jsscript2007

    Aren't ya.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah I thought I smelled Trash Williams

    by mr dark

    or maybe I tracked in some dogshit..It's all the same..fucking loser..go home kid Game over

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Avatar maybe a game changer.

    by Orionsangels

    The more and I read and see. The more you realize this film is a game changer, like Star Wars & Jurassic Park. It does something that will forever effect movies. Whether we like it or not, for good or bad. We're headed towards a digital future. No more movie sets. 3D movies, but eventually without glasses. This is where it'll all start. By the end of the 21st century we won't recognize how movies are made and look. We probably won't be alive either. You know why the future of movies has to become 3D? Because Hollywood has to create an experience, that you can't have at home. Something like that has to come along, to evolve passed the sharing of online movies. I don't just mean wearing 3D glasses either. I mean something will be invented where movies are 3D without glasses. A special screen, special projectors. The same thing has to happen to music. In some form or another. Anyway, I've been listening to the score. It's good. It's mixture of the Abyss and Titanic. Remember in the end of the Abyss. When that creature takes Ed Harris on that journey and shows him the underwater world? You have music like that and then you have that Titanic style music.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Cameron opened the door to the future

    by jsscript2007

    Imagine what watching sports will be like when the pro leagues accomadate what's neccessary for a 3D broadcast.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength was right

    by Ash_Williams

    maybe avatar is a 'game changer', in that no studio will ever make a 500 million dollar scifi movie again. ever. yep, cameron changed the game. for the worse. thanks, asshole.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    avatar sucks.

    by Ash_Williams

    merry christmas. you got a lump of cole.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Sigourney interview mentions

    by jsscript2007

    with Cameron's new system, they (the actors) need only be present to shoot the master and then Cameron alone can go in and get the coverage out of the system.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST


    by theKRELL

    AKA Devin Faraci, well at least you got the Hairy Breasts Parts right. JackAsh_Williams is still here pimping for you. You should give him a raise, and an extra shot of CHUDJUICE at the office later when he gives you the nutsack tonguebath before he sucks your 'scepter'.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    is that why the movie sucks?

    by Ash_Williams

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    i pimp you mom

    by Ash_Williams

    and thats it. my opinion is my own. and i was right. Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength was right!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Watch the Fox lineup this Sunday for Avatar goodness!

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    This feels like the hype right before Titanic.

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I got my Avatar Jake doll at Mcdonalds today.

    by Orionsangels

    It lights up blue when you talk to it or it hears a sound. It lights up to the beat of music too.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    I mean action figure, don't kill me nerds!

    by Orionsangels

    Wait I am nerd too! I am friend. me nerd. you nerd. live together in peace.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by theKRELL

    Devin Faraci is a paedo if he hires 10 year old boys such as yourself. Try to read your last post then go pick your mom up from the corner. She made $8.75 tonight. And when you ask her who the hell gave her .75 cents, her answer will be 'everybody!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by MandrakeRoot

    All you fools who ever doubted Cameron are now being laughed at for your sheer ignorance and blind-hatred. <p> After about 30 reviews and countless very-positive tweets it's safe to say Cameron has knocked this one out of the park. It's obvious Avatar is an all-around good film, not reliant on FX like Peter Jacksons most recent. Most claim it works great in 2D as well. Oscar and Golden Globe nods for Picture and Director are a very likely possibility. <p> This film is going to be HUGE. The positive reaction has everyone buzzing...Cameron came through on every little thing he promised. Video-game CGI? HAHAHA. Yeah Right,. Dances with Smurfs? Just another lame statement to roll my eyes at. <p> Avatar IS the game-changer it was hyped up to be. You doubted Cameron and now your bent over taking it in the should have learned from Titanic, but at least you'll remember after Avatar. CAMERON FTW!!! HATERS PWND!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST


    by Ash_Williams


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    My favourite review so far—

    by blakindigo

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST


    by mr dark

    you got it my friend..This will open the door to so much more.. Hollywood should be splitting the bill for this and in some ways I think they will..Camerons tech that he helped develop will usher in a new age of moviemaking that in some respect will save Hollywood not only from the online pirates and dupers that are taking a huge share of profit away from the studios,But also from mediocraty. Overseas it's easier to buy a pirated version of a dvd than to see a movie in a theater and in most cases easier to get the pirated dvd than find the authentic version. Hollywood is doing everything it can to come up with a way to get asses back in theater seats especially since Home theater viewing is often a more pleasuable experience than movie going as of late..The holy grail for Hollywood is pretty much what Cameron was going for., A spectacle that can't be duplicated at home and something that will bring in repeat rides.. Thats the thing that will save the movie going experiance..Down the road it will get even stranger I'm sure due to the digital developents.. Maybe we will be immersed in a virtual storyline and be able to put ourselves into the protaganist role and really live the heros journey in the story..One things for sure if the game didn't change and movies like this didn't get greenlit we'd be stuck in a cinematic funk far worse than we've ever seen before..I applaud James Cameron for being a gambler a risk taker and a great filmaker with a vision.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    new age of film making?

    by Ash_Williams

    what? whats new about avatar? nothing.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    avatar apologists unite!

    by Ash_Williams

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Weekend boxoffice...

    by kayleefan


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    A whole lotta Cameron hatas gonna be eating crow

    by PennsyDeux

    in the first quarter of 2010 when Avatar may top Titanic, and bludgeon Up in the Air's mortal lock best picture Oscar.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Right mr dark

    by Orionsangels

    You were almost going into holodeck territory there at the end, hmm.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Ass Williams!

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Man-love for James Cameron

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Is there any other director that elicits such drooling adulation from a certain type of geek? It's fucking weird. People haven't seen the movie and are like "in your face, haterz! Someone ELSE saw it and liked it! ... I'll sleep soundly tonight". I mean, what the fuck IS that?

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    I love the smell of "countless very-positive tweets" in the morn

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Smells like ... victory

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by mrdck

    All the reviews on rotten tomatoes are basically saying the same thing - it looks good in 3D but the story is a lame cliché-ridden duck's ass. The high rating is purely down to the 3D visuals - take that away and you have a crapfest of a film. Most people will see this on a 2D screen (cos it's cheaper) feel duped by it and tell their friends it sucked. End result? HUGE bad buzz and the death of Avatard. End of.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    ROGER EBERT: Once again, he has silenced the doubters

    by blakindigo

    "…Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw "Star Wars" in 1977. That was another movie I walked into with uncertain expectations… Once again, he has silenced the doubters by simply delivering an extraordinary film…"

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    James Cameron Is An Insane M-ther F-cker!!!

    by Media Messiah

    And that is why we love him--at least me--because I love truly insane people, as I am one. Any idiot can be a crazy, but it takes someone who is truly brilliant to be truly insane--and in a good way; and that is James Cameron!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    More EBERT: "It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stan

    by Gil Brooks

    "...and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected." Damn, son.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Dammit. Got cut off.

    by Gil Brooks

    "It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected."

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    James Cameron Will Win The Nobel Peace Prize

    by Media Messiah

    I think this film will garner him the Nobel Peace Prize. Avatar specifically is an anti-war, anti-imperialistic, anti-big corporation, anti-pollution...echo friendly/pro-humanitarian the form of a blockbuster specticle, the irony of it all? This film, Avatar...will win him the Nobel Peace Prize.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Wow! Ebert nails the coffin on the haters.

    by jsscript2007

    Let the celebration continue.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST

    I never understood people who

    by blade_walker

    ...say stuff like,"It was a great movie up until that lame ending" or "I liked it until yadayada, it sucks." That's similar to not liking a great album just because it has one or two crappy songs.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Unless Cameron has paid off every motherfucker

    by terry1978 existence, it is safe to say that this is the movie of the decade. And an excellent pave the way for the next one.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    home theater better than an actual theater?

    by Bouncy X

    i realize many of you, mostly americans it seems, tend to have crappy theater experiences as far as moronic patrons are concerned but i dont get the type of people who avoid going because "what i have is just as good if not better". as awesome as giant tvs are, they aren't 2 story high screens. i dont care how awesome your home theater setup is, it'll NEVER be even close to the theater experience. maybe i'm just lucky in that i've never experienced all the idiots many of you seem to. and i'm sure it sucks ass being surrounded by them but it could never make me not wanna see a movie in a theater. and someone mentioned how the 2D viewings might not do as well for this movie. better hope thats wrong considering 95% of the people seeing this will see it in 2D.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST


    by shaneo632

    Come next Friday, my eyeballs get a good 'ol servicing from Big Jim.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    oh, and AVATARDS: 1 / HATERS: 0

    by shaneo632


  • Dec. 11, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by mr dark

    Well using your logic: would people pay to watch people ride a rollercoaster..I don't think so.. Would they pay to ride it ..You betcha..Now as for the 2d showings yeah it's a drag that some people will only get the 2-d experience but having them want the 3-d experience will only cause more theater owners to adopt it..They also can charge more for the ticket and recoup their expenditure quickly to adopt the format..Kinda like how all of us switched from tape to disc.. "You can't hold back the hands of the clock ..they will rip your arms off.."

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels Almost !!

    by mr dark

    Thats kinda what I'm talking about. I think before we see a holodeck per say we may be interfaced with a digital interactive playground. Plugged in like the Matrix.. The singularity is near and this takes it one step closer.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    OK, now I'm starting to get giddy

    by untitleduser

    Weird. I've gone from "this will suck" on the first trailer to "not sold but it looked ok" at the IMAX to "OK, that kind of kicks ass" on the second trailer to "I'm liking this" on the TV ads to "OK, now I'm getting amped" yesterday to "HOLY HELL I NEED TO SEE THIS YESTERDAY!" today. When damned near every critic I trust tells me my mind can't fathom what I'm about to see, well, you get there

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X

    by mr dark

    I do enjoy the Big Screen experience don't get me wrong..but I know where I live it's getting to be more of a hoop to jump through to get there, find a decent seat, pay for the overpriced goodies, put up with the shitheads that think there so fucking important they have to have their Iphone on at all times during the movie or texting through the entire feature. I have a low tolerence for assholes who go to a movie and think they have the right to ruin it for instead of going to see all the films I might see in a theater I only go to the ones where size of sscreen does matter..otherwise I would now be typing this from prison for killing some fools.. By the way my Home theater is big and the sound is see you at the movies ..just not as often..

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Rah rah Avatar

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Some of you are strange people

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    163 minutes is way too long

    by jaysin420

    they better have some vampires in this movie or its gonna bomb in the us.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by MandrakeRoot

    That would be well and good, if you weren't completely pulling it out of your ass. 9 out of 10 reviews praise the story and the execution of it, as well as they emotional weight of it. Countless reviews also claim it does not need to viewed in 2D to be a satisfying experience. However 3D will be a huge reason this film will be a major success...everyone who sees it in 2D will like it, and be forced to see it in 3D when they hear how amazing it is. Face the facts, it's being lauded as an all around wonderful matter how much shit you make up on the contrary will NOT change that.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by MandrakeRoot

    No, it's just satisfying after months and months of haters having nothing but negativity for this movie, and claiming matter of factly, in no order; this was the next Phantom Menace; Cameron turned into George Lucas; it would be the worst film of the decade; this decades Waterworld; the videogame looks like CGI...etc. Now that every critic is flat-out proving all of that BS wrong, it's nice to bask in the glory of watching these idiots be completely silenced by Cameron, and just looking like blind-hate filled morons.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST


    by MandrakeRoot

    Well considering the highest grossing movie ever is 3 hours, and the highest grossing movie of the year is Transformers 2 which is pretty much the same length as Avatar, I highly doubt it will be a problem. Plus unlike Transformers, Avatar actually looks good and is being praised very highly by just about everybody who's seen it. And trust me, once audiences see how amazingly unique and mind-blowing Avatar in 3D is, they'll wish the movie was twice as long.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    From a POSITIVE review at twitchfilm ...

    by ReportAbuse

    "All those worries are completely justified. There's hardly a single moment of truly original story telling up on the screen. The characters are developed exactly as you think they will be and key moments at the climax of the movie are sign posted clearly early on. If you think you've already seen James Cameron's Avatar then there's a good chance you're right. And none of that matters." Umm ... actually it does matter to me. "I'm a story guy so usually I like to be surprised. If I can work out where a movie is going then I get annoyed. But because Avatar's plot, to me at least, was so familiar I actually began to concentrate on how well Cameron had constructed it." Correct me if I'm wrong but I think if you're focusing on the 'construction' of the movie because the plot/characters are so uninteresting, something's wrong there. STAR WARS was memorable for the great character interactions between Ford, Fisher, Hammill, the great Alec Guiness and two really fun to watch robots; it's SFX was groundbreaking but that wasn't THE thing to talk about. Episode One, OTOH, had groundbreaking CGI and great landscapes and scenery but it was boring and irritating as fuck because of the weak story. The Abyss (which I like) had great character interactions and of course Ed Harris, it's not remembered solely for the Water Tube Creature (later to appear in Donnie Darko.) Aliens had Sigourney front and center battling scary aliens. Avatar has ... Worthington, a stereotypical drill sargent who sounds like he prepared for his role by watching Full Metal Jacket ten times (and he's no R. Lee Ermey who would've been more interesting) and Sigourney Weaver apparently relegated to tech support and wisecracks. The rest of the flick looks like Pixar but with a ponderous message to carry ... a $300 million morality play about the evils of greedy corporations that the studio needs to earn about a billion dollars on in order to break even.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Here is your Avatar review:

    by Heckles

    Special effects were fantastic. Story was mediocre. Cameron has fallen into the same trap as Lucas and Speilberg did with Star Wars prequel and Indy sequel, respectively. <br><br>I can't wait for this movie to get here so fanboys will stop talking about it. <br><br>Personally, I'd rather see The Slammin' Salmon.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by SeXX ED

    The hater BBQ continues... GO FUCK YOURSELF, FARACI!!!

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert, movie critic emeritus, geekgasmed over AVATAR...

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    But I am hesitant to trust this man's taste in visual razzle-dazzle idiocy. SPAWN, WATCHMEN, LOST IN TRANSLATION, too many to count. All putrid pieces of crap. I guess all Mr. Ebert needs is post-op four-way eyeball rape. The only thing Mr. Ebert excels at is ripping bad movies with hilarious film reviews. His judgement's hazy lately because his four-star review tricked me into seeing WATCHMEN which is an overlong and pretentious hack-work. I guess Jim sighs a breath of relief, not that he gave a shit about what critics. Movie directors shouldn't allow themselves to read reviews to protect their ego (inflate or deflate), except for Michael Bay who uses negative reviews as toilet paper to wipe his ass and laugh all the to the bank. Next up, box office numbers to determine greenlighting of inevitable sequels...and, uh-oh, maybe Poul Anderson estate will lawyer up. Paging Harlan Ellison for sagely advice how to be an aggrieved asshole and win easy money...

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    (OT) Great Werner Herzog interview here...

    by ReportAbuse

    Absolutely nothing to do with Avatar but inspiring ... from the Thessaloniki International Film Festival: "Not even philosophy or mathematics can provide you with a clear answer as to what the truth is, that is the reason why I try to reach it in every possible way. I firmly believe that illuminated truth reveals itself. You can identify it by distancing from yourself and reach the state of ecstacy. If you can achieve this in cinema, you are on top, you have achieved the best. You may not find truth, but the search fills your existence with meaning, it gives you dignity. ... I wish I could make films anonymously, like medieval painters who are nameless, known only as ‘the teacher from Cologne who created that triptych,’ for instance. If this could have happened, it would have been my most wonderful experience. ... This is my message to the young: Read, read, read! Write poetry, read poetry, watch classic films, do not hesitate even to forge your own documents..." http:// tinyurl. com/y8zf82e

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Heckles...that's funny.

    by TheWaqman

    All the reviews I've seen that mentioned Star Wars in an Avatar post have said that it is much better than George Lucas' work.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    And I'm talking about prequels...

    by TheWaqman

    in case anybody blows a gasket.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    And also, everybody has said it is like Old Cameron...

    by TheWaqman

    whereas if you liked his old films, you'll love this film.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Worthington is...

    by thewizardofoz

    ...the next Colin Farrel. Overhyped. Forced upon audiences (who like to choose their leads, not vice versa) and ZERO charisma. In Terminator I couldn't find one thing appealing about him. He'll have a run of films though, so get ready.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    I think I have figured out some of the hate

    by yomomma

    This sounds like a movie with a distinct political movie. If you are the teaparty type, and/or view global warming as a hoax, you will probably hate this movie simply out of ideology. <P> At least that's what I've picked up from months of trolling these forums and the last few minutes perusing reviews. This is a west/east coast picture - best enjoyed in huge fancy theaters, the bad guys are planet raping capitalists, complex juxtaposed environmental-morality metaphor... it doesn't sound like a movie to appeal to flag-waiving trailer trash, old people OR right-wing conspiracy-spewing trust-fund culture warriors.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST


    by kisskissbangbang

    I haven't seen Avatar yet, and have no special info, but it seems to me the availability of old-fashioned manual wheelchairs in the future depends on just how bad things are on Earth in the future. Maybe with 12 billion people crowding a world without oil or another source of cheap energy, a manual wheelchair makes some sense. It's cheap, doesn't run out of fuel or battery power, and is more easily repaired than hitech electronic wheelchairs. If we're so desparate for energy we're going 4.4 lightyears for a hightemp superconductor to solve our energy problems, it suggests to me the average person on earth is dirt-poor and lucky to be eating. Again, no inside info here, but it seems logical given what I've heard so far about Earth in this movie.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Colin Farrell was GREAT in the movie "In Bruges"

    by blakindigo

    So, I don't think that makes sense.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    yomomma I think you're right

    by snallyg

    despite Cameron's masculine filmmaking, he has always been a mushy liberal at heart(The Abyss) Like a lot of his generation, Cameron's politics were forged by Vietnam, Water Gate, etc. Fine with me- I think tent pole films could use a little more humanism, compassion. Its what sets it apart from soulless dreck like Transformers.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Of course an EX-MARINE would opt for a wheelchair

    by DingtheDong

    that is manually powered. No way would he wuss out, by using a hover chair. This way he stays physically fit. And as for wheelchairs not being easily accessible, I'm sure any futurized machine shop/vehicle manufacturer could computer-design one in seconds based on archived photos, then robotically fabricate a simple wheelchair in a matter of minutes.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Yomomma, you think that only because...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    That theory fits into your own ideology. Calling people "flag-waiving [sic] trailer trash" kind of gives your own small-minded worldviews away.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    "planet raping capitalists...."

    by ReportAbuse

    Yeah. I love the irony of these millionaire Hollywood libtards. $300 million on a movie that warns about greed and the destruction that excess consumption can cause ... and of course it has to be marketed to the hilt with all kinds of toys, tie-ins, and so forth to bring in the Lucas-sized bucks. Cameron as the 'mushy liberal' who wears a wristwatch that probably cost more than my car and has cars that cost more than most people's houses. Yep. Yes We Can.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    It will be hard for other movies to top Avatar for awhile

    by CodeName

    Filmmakers who have talent like Jim Cameron just don't exist in Hollywood these days. I'm sure they're out there, they're just not getting their breaks. What have we been watching since the Matrix (1999)? The new Star Wars, LOTR trilogy, and Matrix sequels don't count -- these films were just passable.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Nah, I hate everybody

    by yomomma

    'Planet raping capitalists" is exactly how Cameron structured his antagonists. That's the point. That's why all of the rightwingers find the plot detestable. <P>I wasn't trying to say the left wing isn't detestable too. I hate both sides. Political BS floods out of everything these days, and it's all empty, pointless masturbation. <P> I just couldn't figure out a way to bash Obama too. It's not a movie about corrupt cowards selling out their base while everything goes to shit. '300' came out like 2-3 years ago. <P> Hating all politicians has made me more sensitive to moronic ideology of either flavor coloring things like movie reviews. And most of the bitching about Avatar is of the, "Look at the whiny blue(state) tree huggers trying to protect the forests from the free market. SNEER!"

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by Ironhelix

    I can't wait to see another movie admonishing me for being an evil American, and raping the ecosystem. By a guy who has done nothing if not profit from the very spoils of those endeavors. Fucking hypocrite. If it weren't for our "lifestyle" there wouldn't even be a market for this movie. Think people scratching out a life in Africa have time to waste watching a 2.5 hour movie about blue aliens? No, the very society that these uppity directors/actors seek to discredit is the ONLY reason they exist in the first place. I wish they would just shut the fuck up.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    But yeah....

    by Ironhelix

    I'm definitely going to see it.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    planet rapers (redux)

    by ReportAbuse

    It's the irony and hypocrisy I find ... troubling? dismaying? insulting? Yeah, actually a little insulting. It's not something I can put my finger on exactly and it's not just about Cameron, all these 'event' movies just give me the weird feeling that I'm being played like a violin while secretly being sneered at by the studio, marketers, whatever. It's not even about the movie itself so much anymore and that's part of what bugs me.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    'Planet raping capitalists'

    by Toonol

    Nah, I'm all for planet raping capitalists, and couldn't give a damn about global warming, but I'm eagerly looking forward to the movie. Don't try to simplistically make this into a red/blue state thing... that ALWAYS makes debate and discussion worse.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST


    "Even the computer-generated Navi, who really are avatars since Cameron’s system maps the actors’s actions and expressions to them" Ummmm...this is something that has been done for YEARS in video games and movies, since when did Cameron invent it? :P and again i am sure i speak for a lot of people 3D is a GIMMICK! and i'm not just saying that because i cant see it:P

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    New GUARDIAN review gives it 2 out of 5

    by BenBraddock

    The one you quote above is a non-review. Here's the first "real" review. Apparently it's "baggy":

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Ace Of Wands

    by Le Phantom

    A bit on the emotional side aren't you! PS...stop taking yourself and things so seriously you fucktard moron!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    PS Ace

    by Le Phantom

    We used to use horses 400 years ago too you idiot, but most of us have gotten past it and now use things call cars (except for you, who will wind up in an old fashioned wheel chair if you continue to blow horses!). Now move out of your parent's basement... Ace of Wankers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    For what it is worth to pinheads like Ace Of Wands

    by Le Phantom

    I spent 20 years in the military, many of those in Special Forces and got to play with a lot of cutting edge weapons and technology, instead of masturbating over a computer sim game! I also spend time in a wheelchair as well as a power scooter!!!!!!! Imagine that! A POWER SCOOTER! So for what it is worth and to anyone who actually gives a shit... A 70's phone with a twisty cord had no business being on board a faster than light vessel like Galactica! Just like an advanced society that developed faster than light travel and Cylons still used IV's, hypodermic needles, bullet firing guns, cell phones, 20th century army vehicles and couldn't find a cure for cancer????????? This and a wheelchair in Avatar makes as much sense as the Star Trek crew members running around with 38 revolvers! All the wheelchair is, is a poorly thought out plot contrivance! As far as a cheap energy source, we have this big fusion reactor in the sky called the sun! And yes Jim, we get it, we get it! Throughout history, civilizations have fucked over native people! And Ace. if you want to say anything clever, get your mouth off of the horse's cock first!!!! :)

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Rape eyeballs, not planets!

    by ReportAbuse

    Heh. Actually I agree that the destruction of our natural environment (rain forests, pollution etc) IS a real threat and must be dealt with. I don't buy into all the AGW hype but everyone with sense knows that toxic waste and pollution of air and water is a bad thing. I guess in the end I'm glad Cameron at least has SOMETHING to say (even if it is widely known already and kind of obvious by now) anything has to be better than Transformers 2. Still if I want my eyeballs violated I can just drive a couple of hours up to the Grand Canyon which is always in 3D.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Ebert review semi-noteworthy

    by Bass Ackwards

    Because he has been so steadfastly against 3D films. So it's a lol something for him to come around to this. But it's true, he seems to hold CGI spectacle blockbusters up to a weaker standard than other films.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    " a 'Yes' album cover come to life...." LOL

    by ReportAbuse

    I love that Guardian (UK) review. "Sully quickly falls for the non-specific mystical rabbitings of the tribe, involving memory-harbouring trees, intimate relationships with flying lizards, and other such prog-rock-influenced stylings." Heh. "The Na'vi, the tribe with whom Sully fetches up, are a sort of grab-bag of generic tribal characteristics – a little bit African, a little bit Amerindian, the equivalent of one of those worldbeat restaurants that serve up teriyaki tortilla and the like."

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    King James is back baby!!!!!! With a vengeance!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Wheelchair costs

    by Le Phantom

    my motorized scooter cost $1300.00 and my conventional wheelchair cost $1600.00! Not exactly cheap!! It will be cheaper when I can walk again!!!!!!!!!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Note to Aurélien Ferenczi (second French reviewer)

    by seppukudkurosawa

    read that Guardian review if you want to learn how to do snark well.<p> (I am a total Francophile, by the way. But douches are Universal).

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:33 a.m. CST

    french translator

    by jyhad

    aiight! wassup fellow movie buffs,im writing from montreal, know the only place in North america where people speak both french and english.. :) well in a nutshell the french review wasnt negative..well not entirely..they found the environmentalist message..completly simplist and childish.. there you go..oh and Polensky deserves it.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Uncanny Valley was achived in Benjamin Button

    by TheJudger

    I didn't even know from the trailers that it was a 3d cgi swapped out head. I thought they used that death becomes her green screen trick when his head was on that little person. When I finally read Mori's review and read that the head was total cgi replacement- I nearly shit myself. Then I went to the films website and watched the how to stuff. That film did it. If the actor was an unknown and the director said nothing, no one would have figured it out. Avatar looks cool but it doesn't look real. Yeah they are aliens, and yeah we have no frame of reference, but something about the lifelikeness of them seems off and unreal. It's not like when you see a new weird creature found in the ocean. We see that shit and it looks alive despite it's oddness. These things have the oddness, but they don't seem real like my provided example. Maybe seeing it for 2 hours will change my mind. I hate that Jake's avatars eyes are spaced so far apart. You honestly cant focus on his face. It's a magic trick used to prevent people from facial recognition. Because we are intrinsically taught to see a face from the IPD Inner Pupil Distance in. Since those eyes are so far apart it's as if we dont see him. That could be a stylistic choice to force us to project ourselves into his role to believe in it at a more personal level. I still don't like it. Way i see it I see only half of his face cause i try to hard to look at his eyes. So I'm always focused on the left side of his face. The other real Nav'i seem to have the eye thing mapped out better. I don't know.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Interesting fact.<p> Predatory creatures have their eyes frontal (which allows the two eyes to calibrate distance to their prey).<p> Prey creatures have their eyes to the side (which allows them to watch out for predators).<p> So yes, along with the Eagle, Hawk, Cats, Dogs, Wolves, etc Man is a predatory creature (hear that vegetarians?).<p> Genetically strange if the Navi do have their eyes out to the side (like sheep, cows, deer) because we see them with bows and arrows so they must be hunters too?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST


    by mrdck

    I'm really impressed by the fact that you seem to be living in a parallel universe yet still able to post in a talkback in this one. Exactly where did you find the reviews that praises Avatard's story? Quote me one and I will qoute you five that says the story is a pile of mule faeces. You lose.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST


    by ominus

    because a disabled man uses a wheelchair in this movie,although he live in the future.DONT FUCKING GO AND WATCH IT,stay home and play a videogame or watch Bay's TF2 on your least TF2 has more Verisimilitude.cheers.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST


    by Behemoth

    Oh, wait...

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Ace and horsies!

    by Le Phantom

    Bravely spoken from the safety of your lonely, dark hovel! They invented birth control long ago, but yet you are here! You keep bringing up horses, you mongoloid fool. Put the joy stick down, get the horse cock out of your mouth, get you tongue out of Cameron's ass and go out into the world and actually learn a few things about life and the world...Then maybe you will be allowed to join the adult's table...Wanda! O

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:42 a.m. CST

    HornOrSilk my brother !!!

    by ominus

    how is life? still miserable?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    mrdck Ebert praises the story

    by ominus

    and the character development of the movie.And Ebert,is one of the few,very few,film critics whose opinion i repsect,although many times i disagree with.and you know why? because the guy even if he is wrong,he knows what the fuck he is talking about.capis?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST


    by Le Phantom

    You are right about one thing...Some things never change! Whether it is present day, 200 years ago or 200 years from now...You would still be an idiot!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST


    by mrdck

    Oh bravo. You cherry pick one review and parade it around like it actually means something. Go over to rotten tomatoes and start reading - the general consensus is visuals good, story and characterization hack crap. If Avatard were judged on story alone it would get a rotten rating of around 40%. capis?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    So do they still use condomns in the future?

    by ominus

    or they have abandoned the physical contact and use cyber sex which is safer (and less risky for impregnation)? i am curious because of the wheelchair thing,and i have to ask it.yeah.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Horses have their eyes on the side of their heads. They are prey creatures. Hence the expression 'I could eat a horse'.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    If the Avatar bonks Navi girl, does sleeping human guy spunk all over himself?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    mrdck lets go one more time

    by ominus

    Ebert,who is a Pulitzer Prize Winner for film criticism,and one of the most respected film critics internationally,a guy that knows that Transformers 2 is a POS movie,a guy who TRASHED the Avatar's August screen preview,a guy who is against 3D movies,he himself has repeatedly mentioned that,that guy was ecstatic after the ending of the movie,gave 4/5 start to his review,and specifically said: <p>''At 163 minutes, the film doesn't feel too long. It contains so much. The human stories. The Na'vi stories, for the Na'vi are also developed as individuals. The complexity of the planet, which harbors a global secret. The ultimate warfare, with Jake joining the resistance against his former comrades.'' <p>I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins.'' <p>got it? understood? capis? κατελαβου; cheers.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Gene Barry has passed away at the age of 90

    by Carl's hat

    That is news. Now he was an actor. Thanks for the memories Gene. You were a class act.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Avatar = antithesis of the 1970s movies

    by JackRabbitSlim

    Hilarious watching people lap up goggling reviews from people who admit "well, the story is nothing new." James Cameron = modern day Cecil B DeMille. If that's all you look for in movies - shimmery pictures - exotic background - glittery fx - congratulations. 1970s auteur - you are well and truly dead. *sigh*

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Cameron is auteur

    by ominus

    because he translated his vision 100% into his film.that makes him auteur.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Avatar ripping new assholes to the Haters

    by ominus

    snce December 10 2009.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    ominus, well, did it...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    See my pre-review in the thread below this one. YOU told me to, so don't blame me. What do I win?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    ah ok i found it,i ll read it and comment on it later

    by ominus

    going for some MW2 multi now

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Gene Barry

    by master_of_realty

    Man, it must suck to die right before AVATAR.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I hope Ben Lyons likes it!

    by master_of_realty

    He's the opinion I'm really holding out for.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    It's hilarious y'all talk shit about a movie most of you haven't

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...but you'll all shut your traps the minute you see Jake Sully leave his cryopod in 3-D approximately three minutes in. This is the future of movies. Get ready for it. It's not the greatest movie ever made, but much like the technological advancements made in T2 and Titanic...this will change the landscape of what is possible in filmmaking. I willing to bet that The Hobbit is delayed because they want to make it with this technology. It's a new toy that I look forward to seeing other "great" directors play with.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    let's put this wheelchair thing to bed shall we...

    by iwasredempted

    who the fuck cares. maybe he's allergic to the procedures. maybe it's a curious medical phenomena. maybe it's cameron's nod to the soldiers giving their lives in the middle east, etc... fill in the fucking blanks man. christ on a stick. are you a fucking trekkie or are you a man...just kidding trekkies. who gives a shit. if this is what people want to bitch about then i pity you, your friends and family. for fucks sake it's a goddamn movie. this is why you don't have girlfriends.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    seen yet...

    by FuckMichaelBay

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    The wheelchair issue...

    by FuckMichaelBay appropriately resolved less than fifteen minutes into the film.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    sorry le phantom i'm sure you're a perfectly..

    by iwasredempted

    reasonable gentleman, but i've never let how implausible lightsabers ruin my enjoyment of a good goddamn lightsaber duel. current science will not allow an open ended laser. m'kay. but it's still fucking cool man.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by Koyaanisqatsi

    Jake doesn't have his legs fixed because he can't afford the procedure. If you haven't seen a movie and feel the need to complain about it you are a horrible horrible person.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    FuckMichaelBay, thanks my friend. i'm drunk..

    by iwasredempted


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Nitpicking a movie you haven't seen...

    by FuckMichaelBay like a blind person bitching about the color scheme of their wardrobe for the day. If you can't see do you know?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    i saw it last night at the empire in london

    by pmsc

    The reviews above pretty much nailed it. It's fucking awesome.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    let's put this unobtanium to bed shall we..

    by iwasredempted

    i've been around a lot of military people. my family is full of military knuckleheads. they have all sorts of slang for shit. does it bug me. no. it's one of the things i enjoy. the lingo. everything else irritates the hell out of me....did i say i was drunk...

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    He-Smurf and the Masters of the Punyverse

    by NippleEffect

    seen it!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    AVATAR will fuck your eyeballs...FOR REAL!!!! GET OVER IT!

    by FuckMichaelBay

    The movie is a spectacle unlike anything your puny mind has seen before. Prepare thyself for the future of movies!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Cameron's smarts

    by Kaitain

    I think Cameron has made a set of hit and miss films in his time (loved some, lukewarm on others) but it is always funny hearing some ignorant geeks criticize him for things that actually expose their own lack of knowledge. I remember in particular somebody noting loudly that the moonpool in The Abyss "could never work in real life...the rig would just implode". Which is not only bullshit in theory, but also in practice: these things already exist. And I've noticed several people laughing at Cameron for "inventing" the stupid word "unobtainium", which demonstrates that they know fuck all about the world of materials engineering. But people love to sneer at things as though their own lazy, limited knowledge must of course be better than that of some "dumb Hollywood director". <p> Cameron knows his science and engineering better than 99% of the world's population, and what I really admire is that he actually studied philosophy at university. Plus he knows all the component skills of moviemaking from the ground up. Credit where it's due. <p> I still hate T2, though.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    fuck, fight and die. i'm drunk so let me know if i'm being silly

    by iwasredempted

    but this is what i like about cameron's movies. it's immediate. compelling. and afterwards you say "fuck i want to do that again!" i haven't seen the movie by the way.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    HornOrSilk so you do agree that your opinion

    by ominus

    does not count for shit,right? ofc that also qualifies for my opinion,ebert's and the rest of the globe.which leads us to this: you fucking haters are anxiously waiting for how Avatar is going to go in the boxoffice.if it goes mediocre,or bad,you will get the only (unsupported) excuse u can afford to trash this movie.But if it goes well or superb,u will lose even this laughable argument,and u r going to shut it for good.just patiece,less than a week has left for the movie's international premiere.we all are going to find out then.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Whether it makes $700 or $700 million...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...AVATAR will still pave the way for the future of movies. Other directors are going to want to explore this format regardless once they see what Cameron has done.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by Coordinate_System

    <P>I'll go see it and judge for myself, of course, but all of this talk about a "weak" or "recycled" storyline is disturbing.</P> <P>Technically, I'm sure Cameron will deliver, as he has yet to disappoint me (heck, I even liked Titanic), but weak scripts (*if* it is weak!) in the service of technically astounding films seem to reoccur "with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season."</P> <P>It's bad luck to be superstitious, but I'm going in "Fingers Crossed"</P>

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Titanic had technological advancements?

    by Bouncy X

    not trashing the movie because i like it, i own it even. but that movie didn't advance anything. special/visual effects wise it wasn't anything new or groundbreaking. hell the CGI passengers were obvious even back then. dont get me wrong, it wasn't "sound of silence" bad but it was far from amazing.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST


    by Coordinate_System

    I thought Titanic was well done (story-wise, technically etc.). I don't recall any breakthroughs in film-making, so you may be right about that. I simply meant to reiterate that I have been pleased with Cameron's work in the past.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Bouncy X that's bull...

    by shaneo632

    Titanic was a huge advancement when compared to the effects of the time. Compare Escape from L.A.'s SHITTY surfing CGI with the rather photorealistic capturing of the ship or to be more fair, any of the film's set pieces.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Many people's holiday feasts will consist of eating much crow

    by DOGSOUP

    Followed by dessert of humble pie

  • Dec. 12, 2009, noon CST

    HornOrSilk so you do agree

    by ominus

    that you are waiting for the movie to fail,and you will use this ridiculous thing as an argument for the movie's quality.i didnt say anything different from the above. <p>and you want to help the poor? well tell your hypocrite President,the New Hope (right..),instead of sending 30000 innocent souls (make the logistics on that please) in a fucking war which is all about geopolitical control,oil and opium and not liberation,he should stop that expensive war,which is one of the main reasons which helped to destroye your once powerful economy,and try to invest the money on education,social care,poverty and hunger,etc in order to do some real good to your country. <p>thats all.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    This will not beat TITANIC!!!

    by CeejayNightwing

    Anyone thinking so seriously haven't a clue just how much money Titanic made let alone the broadness of its appeal. Titanic's success to the average fanboy was due to it being a romance and headlining Leonardo DiCaprio to millions of young girls.. WRONG! The subject matter was the pull, the tragic tale of the Titanic is as intriguing today as it was back at the turn of the century. To visualize and realize that in a movie as dramatically presented as JC did in 1997 proved overwhelming in its appeal to a broader spectrum of audience than any film ever had since Star Wars in 1977. All the Leonardo fans in the world had zip to do with its success, the movie made nearly $2 billion worldwide while films today still struggle to scrape past $1 billion! Avatar will be a huge success, it will becasue it is a spectacle and the worlds audience loves a spectacle. But it will not have Titanic's broad appeal from the very young to the very old who dragged themselves to the cinema again and again to witness the dramatic spectacles of an infamous unsinkable ship, sinking on it's maiden voyage! You can more or less count the older generation out of the audience for Avatar, without them and even with the inflated ticket prices of today, you can bet that no matter how successful Avatar proves on repeat viewing, it will not surpass Titanic! Avatar will be lucky to join the $1billion club with LOTR: RotK, Pirates of the Caribbean 2 and Batman:TDK and that's going to be the best it can hope for after all the initial hype has died down. I really don't know what the myth about Leonardo's impact in Titanic's success is always the fanboys favourite reason to pul out of the air. None of Leo's films before Titanic even made $150 million world wide let alone cross the $100 mill mark domestically! After Titanic none of his films made zip until Spielberg put him alongside Tom Hanks in "Catch Me If You Can". The Leonardo myth is utterly groundless! Titanic is just a great subject matter that was made into a great film with great appeal. Avatar is just another anticipated visual treat just like Phantom Menace, its audience will make it an instant hit very quickly and then it will die out with its hype machine without even being within arms distance of Titanic's insanely huge domestic and worldwide box office receipts!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    More Excited for Sherlock Holmes.

    by sewiz

    I can't help it. My brain is screaming it's Cameron! It's Sci-fi Cameron! but my heart...just isn't into it. Though don't get me wrong, I am there next week...just not as excited as I feel I should be, if that makes any kind of sense.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    ok then

    by ominus

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    noone says that its going to achieve

    by ominus

    Titanic's fact its not even going to surpass TF2,it will be in the bottom of the top ten most successful movies ever.whoever says thats it is the new Titanic,he is either ignorant or a troll.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    DOGSOUP, you forgot about....

    by Cervantes

    ....the side order of sour grapes to go with that, once this thing starts to generate big-time soon....

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    ominus, the film-makers imply it themselves

    by Subtitles_Off

    in every bit of their promotion.<P>"On December 18th, movies change forever." Or, however the exact rubbish is worded.<P>I've got no problem with people "hoping for this to fail." I'd probably count myself among them, anyway. I've had enough of this expensive, pretty, meat-headed crap. I've had enough of the trite, mixed-message depiction of military strength as cool and awesome and macho but, also, sort of clumsy and wrong-headed. I've never been a fan of romantic fantasy films. I don't want a future of movies where the only crap they make are 3-D blockbusters based on the fantasies of fourteen year old boys.<P>Yet, I hope the people who really, really want to enjoy this end up really, really enjoying it. (Of course they will. They'll approach it no more open-mindedly than the "haters" will.) Because there is nothing worse than looking forward to something and being underwhelmed by it. But, still, can they please just keep it down? Old people are trying to sleep around here.<P>"Greatest movie ever. Second to THE DARK KNIGHT." That's a stupid, stupid, fuck-witted statement even if you mean it. For one, the greatest can't be second without contradicting the meaning of the word "greatest." Two, you need to see more movies. In fact, to make that declarative a statement, you better see every movie. <P>By the way, if midnight showings of DANCES WITH WOLVES: PANDORA don't earn as much as NEW MOON'S, does that mean anything?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off you are wrong

    by ominus

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Do I find interviewing myself to be a pretentious trend?

    by snallyg

    Yes. Does it get my point across? No. Does it makes me sound like a schizophrenic douchebag? Perhaps. Why do I keep doing it? Because I think its a way of putting closure on the argument, covering all the bases as it were? Do I hope people stop doing this? Absolutely. Next time you do this should you think about how obnoxious it actually reads? Maybe.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    SATC or..

    by emeraldboy

    as tara brady from hot press called it 2.5 hrs of Shopping porn.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Is it going to be better than Dark Knight?

    by snallyg

    Is it going to be better than Meatballs 2? Yes.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    HornOrSilk: I've seen Sherlock Holmes...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...and you're going to be very surprised. This movie is a well-made blast. Guy Ritchie has succeeded in making a franchise-level picture without sacrificing his style. Downey and Law have outstanding chemistry together. Their banter is well written, fast-paced and fun. Downey proves he's a consistent, bankable franchise actor and turns Holmes into a deranged, kick-ass investigative genius. Even Rachel McAdams is tolerable in her part...dare I say I look forward to her in the sequels. The entire cast from Eddie Marsan and Mark Strong on down is great. The look of England was ripped from the pages of Tim Burton's sketchbooks and the costumes fit well within it. The CG is not overused...mostly to enhance the story. It is definitely 'Sherlock Holmes' my brother. Unclench and enjoy.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I am?

    by Subtitles_Off

    What do you mean? The old people aren't trying to sleep?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by Subtitles_Off

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Can't afford to have his legs repaired ... !

    by ReportAbuse

    So I guess single-payer health reform won't even pass in a hundred years (or is this another sly political jab by Cameron?) Anyway I prefer my explanation which is that Jake's body is somehow genetically unsuited to whatever advanced procedures they have in his era (nerve growth/cloning? bio-mechanics?) and he joins the avatar program as sort of a last resort. My other idea was that The Corporation deliberately sabotaged his operation so that he could more easily be pressured to join the avatar project ... & he finds this out later and gets even more pissed off at the company and it motivates his joining the blueggers.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    HornOrSilk: It's not the BBC Holmes we're accustomed to...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...I admit. From the literary standpoint, there are many differences, however, the changes made are a slight enhancement and meant to be an upgrade. Richie integrates these enhancements (ie: he's a major bad-ass fighter) well into the previous notion of the Holmes we both love. The story is very much a throwback to the classic stories. It's not a Van Helsing CG shitfest as some suggest. Yes, Watson found Jenny Craig. Yes, Holmes is sans-hat and pipe. But I think that by the time the second one rolls around, Holmes will look a little more familiar. Call it a sort of Sherlock Holmes Begins...the next one can be The Dark Pipe.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    ReportAbuse: Your answer to the wheelchair question...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...lies in the TB above.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    HornOrSilk: I meant to say "not an upgrade"...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...a bit confusing, sorry.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    NY Daily News : 3/5 Stars

    by Spazatronik2000

    James Cameron's 'Avatar' is visually stunning, but cheesy plot, dialogue take us back down to earth

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I don't know about Sherlock...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    I don't think I need SH to be an action hero. What makes Holmes Holmes is his elitist intellectualism. I've always thought he never used his fist really becuase he could just beat the shit out of a guy mentally. He could turn a grown man into a whimpering baby just by turning his increadible powers of perception and observation on someone and then expose there vulnerabilities for everyone to see. That's a lot more interesting to me than him running, leaping or swinging a punch.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Allow me to put everything in perspective for you. Here's a truth you and all the haters desperately need to hear: "You want it to be one way but it's the other way". Now think on that.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    You just missed the point as always.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    seniorspeilbergio: I cannot explain SH's fighting skills...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...without ruining an underused but clever part of the movie.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    The public will love it. Critics love it. It will make a shitload of money. Nothing you can do about it.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Hmmm. That sounds kind of intruiging man. I mean, I'm definately going to see it. One of my favorite literary characters for sure and you know, the bottom line is, it's a new Holmes adventure. I can only see Hound of the Bskervilles adapted so many times.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    My eyeballs are ready for my Christmas present.

    by JDanielP

    Thank you, Jim. You make a GREAT Santa.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000

    "If I wanted to hear endless nonsense spewed from something good-looking, I'd watch The Tyra Banks Show. " LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HATERS WIN CAMERON FAN BOY BALL LICKERS LOSE. GOOD CG OF UGLY BLUE ALIENS DOES NOT A GOOD FILM MAKE.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000

    "As superbly rendered as his 3D world is, Cameron has populated it with characters who are strictly 2D. And sometimes not even that."

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000

    "It's baggy, longwinded and, for all the light-speed imagery, just not quick on its feet. Cameron used to be the tautest film-maker around, but he just got slack"

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000

    "The combination of special effects, creatures and immersion into a 3D world lend Avatar a kind of grandeur that thrives despite the clunkiness of Cameron's script. "

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Subs does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Subs, for christs sake. The one time you stray out of the Pedalback, this is what you walk into??<p> I'd like to say I got your back but better put your umbrella up bro, there's a shit storm abrewing.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Wow man. You seem to have alot invested in the failure of this film. Time to ask yourself why. 4 post to my one? I'm glad my opinion weighs so heavily on you.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    McWeeny's review

    by Gil Brooks Awesome

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    oh spazy spazyyyy

    by ominus

    ''At 163 minutes, the film doesn't feel too long. It contains so much. The human stories. The Na'vi stories, for the Na'vi are also developed as individuals. The complexity of the planet, which harbors a global secret. The ultimate warfare, with Jake joining the resistance against his former comrades.'' I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins.'' <p>MY CONDOLENCES HAHAHA

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    see that post SPAZZY?

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Like i said, "you want it to be one way but it's the other way".

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Very true. Fistacuffs are required if he's up against a Professor Moriarty.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST


    by mrdck

    That's not my view, that's the view of the British Times. If you are a sucker for pretty visuals, you will buy into Avatar. If you want something a little more substantiative, like plot and dialog, you will think that it blows. Avatar will NOT change the future of films. That is a crass egotistical statement. Everyone said that the bullet time employed by The Matrix was a "game changer". It was a gimmick for a few years and then died out when people became bored. The only thing it WILL change is to make studios much less likely to take risks on something unproven when it registers a big fat fail at the BO. So some bright film maker sitting on th next SW will never see it realised. So, thanks to Cameron's ego, a dozen good/great films we could have had over the next ten years will never get the green light. THAT'S why I fucking can't stand Cameron and his Avaturd.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    HornOrSilk seriously now

    by ominus

    although i love Holmes,i cant say that his cases were laughable as their mystery is concerned.i mean i usually could figure out what the mystery was really about,from the first setup of the case. <p>his cases were not that much intellectually complex,but i cant blame Doyle for that,if i am not mistaken he was writing the stories in a kid's magazine or something? <p>but Agatha Christie,that lady knew how to make very suspenseful and really mysterious police/detective cases. <p>btw do you imagine how a revamped ala Holywood way,Hercule Poirot would be like? hehe

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...People who call this film "anti-capitalist" are basically admitting that they believe exploiting and subjugating indigenous populations is synonymous with Capitalism. And then actually DEFEND this notion of Capitalism by bashing the film's "message". <p> What these morons fail to understand is that it's perfectly feasible and, yes, most common for friends of the free market to support the notion of Capitalism while at the same time criticizing the extreme forms it sometimes takes when unregulated. <p> But I guess that makes me a Communist in their eyes. Remember, folks: <p> nuance = anti-America

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    ..said mrdck

    by ominus

    but the next day,other film-makers like Lucas,Spielberg,even Bay were eager to try out this new evolutionary 3D/CGI technology Cameron developed and promoted with his Avatar movie.and i am pretty sure Kubrick would do the same,becaus he is the guy who waited for the technology to grow up in order to make his A.I. film <p>you see kids,the technology is essential a tool,one of the basic extended parts of a human of its main uses is to helo and make a reality,the personal dream/vision of an artist. <p>you know just like from 2d cartoons,we went to 3d,in the same way,a technology like the one in Avatar,can help to transcend from 2D cinema into 3d cinema. <p>does this mean that 3d cinema is a superior artform than 2d cinema,and eventually it will replace it? no it doesnt mean at all simply means that 3d cinema is a different way of expressing the vision of an artist through the art of cinema.just like animation,stop-motion,machinima etc are different cinematic ways of telling a story with the art of motion.and just like the radio didnt replace the newspapers,tv didnt replace the radio,the vcr didnt replace the cinema,just like that 3d cinema wont replace 2d cinema.thats all.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu, too much logic —

    by blakindigo

    — You'll make them hurt themselves if you force them to recognize their spurious logic.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The French don't want their eyes fucked, just their pussies!

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Cobes, it's all good.

    by Subtitles_Off

    I popped in. Saw what I expected. Was informed I was wrong but not how I was wrong. Now I'm on my way back home.<P>Spazzie's got this one. Looks like he's bringing selected quotes, too. I was sure they wouldn't let him in here with those.<P>ominus is going on about dreams and visions. Sounds silly.<P>Somebody's chomping at the bit for ROTTEN TOMATOES to reach consensus.<P>A couple more weeks of this and the world can go on about its normal, important, actually standing there business.<P>When AVATAR peters out around $300 million, the suits will declare this wonder-tech a little too prohibitively expensive, the haters will remind Cameron that his dick is smaller than Michael Bay's, and the apologists will call it the greatest movie of all-time.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Just got my tickets.

    by snakecharmer

    IMAX 3D opening night.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off, you're no 'hater' —

    by blakindigo

    — you seem like a honest-to-God skeptic. That seems healthy to me…

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    oh boy here we go again

    by ominus

    the movie costed 230m dollars,and a large part of its budget went to the development of that specific technology.Cameron and the studio who have copyrights on that technology,aim to rent it to the other film-makers/studios who want it to use it to their own movies.just like what happens in the video gaming hold your horses before you make any assumptions.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    The Marketing Industry ALWAYS works—

    by blakindigo

    — Edward Bernaise (Frued's nephew) made that a certainty…

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    What about 2D screenings?

    by tradeskilz

    95% of us wont see this in 3D because we dont have access to a 3D theater or are unwilling to travel for 2h to get to one. Frankly, unless the movie is being projected in actual 3D by holographic projectors or i get the fuck one of the girls at the theater i wont even travel 20 minutes. So yeah, unless i can tavel in to the future it aint happening.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Candy for the eyes.

    by Violator90

    All these reviews so far it gives me the feeling that AVATAR is going to be like candy; good for the first couple of minutes but you will soon get sick of it. And some one did point out the fact that all the reviews seem to just point out how great the visuals are but nothing solid on the story. I don’t care how “eyeball fucking” the effects are if the story sucks donkey dick, the movie will fail. There is little known about the story, and since all the trailers and clips are just eye candy I still have a felling that that’s all this movie will be-eye candy. If that’s all it is I rather play a video game, at least most game have a great story. <p> It was very strange to me that a big time director like Cameron would block an animated movie like DELGO that would seem it would just slip through the cracks, but then reports were coming in that Cameron was scared the DELGO was too similar to AVATAR. That right there was a red flag for me, kind like he has no faith in his own product. Then he registers the name Avatar so a kids cartoon wouldn’t use it for its movie adaptation; even though I doubt any one would confuse AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER. I didn’t know it was that difficult to read titles and see trailers to know the difference between movies. Visually I don’t doubt that it will be stunning, but if the story is as weak as some say and the dialogue pure cheese, then it best to see a matinee or rent it.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    the guy who said avatar needs to make 1bill US

    by tradeskilz

    to break even has obviously lost touch with reality. I dont think you guys realize what kind of numbers you are throwing around. These days a 30 mil movie is considered 'indie'. What a joke.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    "Avatar" was registered in the 90s along with the 'scriptment'

    by blakindigo

    I'm sure Cameron was uncomfortable with the similarities to his story that predates "Delgo" by a decade.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by tradeskilz

    What? You think somehow they overshot the budget with 250 MILLION DOLLARS and they decided to hide it? Oh shit guys, we just spent another 250M but its cool lets just put it under misc expenses and nobody will notice.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    I've yet to read a negative review on the special effects

    by Orionsangels

    While some may have a problem with the story, even nitpick the effects at time. Every critic unanimous on the overall Special Effects, most saying there are moments you won't believe what you're watching. Right there with that, I'm excited to see this movie!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    I hate the Avatar bashing here!

    by Orionsangels

    You haven't even seen the movie!, and critics are saying, you can't go by what you've seen in the marketing. Yet you guys still bash it. I can't wait till you naysayers see it and eat your words!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    its not facts 'Jack'

    by tradeskilz

    Its just you pulling shit out of your ass. I dont care how big the marketing campaign is. Hell even a 30 second superbowl ad can be had for 2.5m and even that is an obscene amount. I can beleive they overshot the budget with 50m tops and even then im guesing Cameron had execs breathing down his neck. for half a billion Cameron could launch and actual expedition to outer space.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Full translation of the French review

    by Neil_B_Forzod

    For The rumour around this so much awaited film announced an aesthetic shock. As much L ’ to acknowledge D ’ start: in spite of a rather effective immersion, L ’ visual experiment D ’ Avatar does not represent really a historical rupture. But we delight qu ’ it S ’ still acts of cinema and not D ’ a festival D ’ special effects. L ’ action of this strange adventure, written by Cameron itself, is held on a remote planet where a group D ’ industrial exploits a rare ore. The problem, they are the autochtones: Na ’ VI, of the extraterrestrial giants. To control them, the Land ones created misadventures, kinds D ’ spies organically similar to these creatures and controlled remotely. To undergo a body or to be a body, such is all in all the question. One includes/understands easily why Jake Sully, ex-marine nailed on a wheel chair, becomes accro with its misadventure: it amalgamates then with nature, the phosphorescent flora, the birds. A form D ’ harmony, at the same time unmemorable and sophisticated, reign on the Pandora planet, illustrated with a certain grace … C ’ is rare to perceive in a blockbuster such a negative report on L ’ state of American civilization. The Land ones are not only imperialists, covetous and cynical, they seem especially late, heavy in their bodies as in their alleged high technology. Between these cow-boys and these Indians D ’ a new kind, L ’ future belongs to the seconds. After the rapture, one thus plunges in a war which makes rage. With images of aerial combats and terrestrial also new qu ’ impressive, without Cameron not yielding to a higher bid violence. It leaves the free field to step badly D ’ interpretations in this universe with L ’ imaginary plentiful. Does nothing N ’ prevent, for example, to think that this adventure N ’ is that pure hallucination (excess D ’ ecstasy?) in the head of Jake. It S ’ acts D ’ as much a war between two people qu ’ between two levels of reality. L ’ flatly pragmatic, L ’ other more poetic, air, more spiritual finally. Misadventure, one points out it, is a word Sanskrit borrowed from the Hindu religion. Jacques Morice

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Why is Neytiri using Angelina's "Beowulf" accent?

    by starlesswinter7

    Sounds a lot like it.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    still dont get it

    by traxz101

    the reviews have been so good, and it seems more and more the haters have jumped ship. I havnt seen any real negative review yet, and yet the only real negative things that have been said, the haters are still nit-picking... its pathetic.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Does the main human become an alien at the end?

    by Seth_Rogens_Hairy_Breasts

    Yes or No?<br> <br>Or can James Cameron come up with something unexpected?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


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    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by Sal_Bando

    YOU get what you DESERVE if you live in the METROPLEX THEN--

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


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    by Spazatronik2000


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    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels: You are so right...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...the same people shitting on it now will be beating each other off with a stick to taste Cameron's balls after they see what we've seen. It's hilarious! I can't wait!

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Break Even

    by ReportAbuse

    You know films usually split the gross with exhibitors 50/50 so it needs to gross AT LEAST $600M to break even. If it cost $500M (counting P&A) then it will need about $1B to break even.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000 and HornOrSilk

    by snakecharmer

    I'll quote Denzel Washington in Amercian Gangster: "Listen to me, the loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room."

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I thought the gross was split 90/10 in favor of the studio for the first couple of weekends (while the theaters rake in the candy and popcorn$). Then as time progresses, the split changes,moving towards something more even or in favor of the theater as the movie trails off.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    American not Amercian. hahah.

    by snakecharmer

    It happens.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Films do not split 50/50 with exhibitor

    by jsscript2007

    Cinemas take it up the ass to get the movies. They make all their money on the concessions.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST


    by traxz101

    virtualy make 0 profit when it comes to tickets. its the food n stuff that makes them their money. thay also charge an extra £1 here for 3d glasses, which goes into their pockets i believe.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST


    by MainMan2001

    Oh, it's finally here but until you guys see this movie watch this film instead:

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Distributors will fuck you though

    by jsscript2007

    that's 50/50 at best.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


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    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by theplant


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9 p.m. CST

    Re: loudest monkey

    by jsscript2007

    Steven Zaillian said it first.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    1B? No problem

    by jsscript2007

    Incredible reviews. Excellent fan base. Repeat viewings. A love story. Ground breaking. Negative response is as effective as a fly crashing head on with a speeding freight train.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    I still don't see the big controversy over this film.

    by Azlam Orlandu

    It's a Cameron movie. Go see it, then give us your opinions if anyone actually gives a fuck what you think. Otherwise go jerk off to some manga or whatever you newschool skaggots do.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000 got an A+ in science...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    but an F in using the shift key and you sound like some uneducated ghetto rat. Also, your use of hyperbole is awful.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Guess that Gawker "anonymous" reviewer who said he threw up

    by Redmond

    Watching "Avatar' has been pretty much proven to be a fraud, eh?

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 12, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    It won't have much

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> to compete with. It'll run 3 months in IMAX till Alice in Wonderland comes out in March. But it won't play in as many theaters as a normal 2D film would. So a lot of smaller towns won't get the 3D version. So those people and others will decide to wait till DVD and watch it 3D. </P> <P> But what those fucks don't know is the only 3D at home is analgyph(red/blue) glasses. Avatar won't even release like that. There will be limited new 3D TVs using the newer polarized glasses or shutter glasses but all of that will be expensive. </P> <P> It'll make it's money back and then some with the help of the international sales. </P>

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Hey, Spazzy...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Have you seen those overwhelmingly positive reviews? Have you? I just wanted to make sure you've seen them. They're really great. You should take a look at them. :)

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by theKRELL

    Spaz is just a shill for CHUD. He wakes in the morning with Devin Faraci's cock in his mouth, and goes to sleep with Faraci's cock in his ass. He gets paid to post his Wanker Bullshit, His position is described as CHUD CHOAD.

  • Dec. 12, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    RT 90%

    by Rupee88

    Looks like he pulled it off

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000 = SO FUNNY

    by quantize

    kidding of's a caps locked, self felating dipshit obviously.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    JC's track record

    by Rectal Blowout

    Terminator RT 100% / IMDB 8.1 --- T2 RT 97% / IMDB 8.5--- Aliens RT 100% / IMDB 8.5--- The Abyss RT 85% / IMDB 7.5--- True Lies RT 67% / 7.2 --- Titanic RT 82% / IMDB 7.3

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST


    by cloudrider`

    you haters really think you're smarter than cameron, arent you? cameron who served on NASA advisory boards and befriends real scientist(space and underwater), who with his brother invented the submersible used to film the titanic wreck, who's always tech savvy, always speculating about the future... you geeks think you can predict future tech better than he does??? <p> i thought the wheelchair thing was put to rest 4-5 threads ago. here... ONE LAST TIME for you shortsighted idiots... <p> just because we now have COMPUTERS doesnt mean people dont still use old fashioned PEN to write on old fashioned plain white sheet of PAPER. just because now we have airplanes & fast cars, doesnt mean that people dont still ride an old fashioned bycicle to go around. just because we now have motorized wheelchair, doesnt mean that people otomatically become lazy bums and choose not to do cardio or exercise their upper body. <p> jake sully is a marine. given a choice of hovering flying motorized shit and good old fashioned wheelchair, it's easy to see why he'd rather use his arms to carry himself around. not everyone is just as lazy or as useless as you, fatass.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    they doubted him once

    by cloudrider`

    and titanic proved everyone wrong. they doubted him again, and avatar proved everyone wrong again. <p> and when it's time for his next film, no doubt they'll be doubting him yet again. you guys are exactly like the jews in the ten commanments film.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Wheelchair ... no --

    by ReportAbuse

    The argument wasn't wheelchair vs. hoverchair it was wheelchair vs. prosthetic bio-mechanical limbs or regrown legs / spinal nerves. Someone opined that it was because Jake couldn't afford his era's healing technology to which I opined "gee, single payer health reform won't pass in a hundred years" which could be more Cameron political commentary. I opined as well that maybe Jake's body won't accept his era's new technology for limb/nerve regrowth thus forcing him to use a wheelchair (in which case the wheelchair vs. hoverchair argument would come into play.)

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    and to that, i'd argue...

    by cloudrider`

    that just because it's the set in the future doesnt mean that everything is already available in that future. it's entirely possible that even if the tech is available to create a living avatar, that the tech to grow spinal nerves is still lacking behind. it all comes down to what the money prioritize - unobtanium at all cost, or welface of soldiers? money dictates progress. if we have spend just as much money on cancer research as we have on war, then who know... maybe there's already a cure for cancer by now.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Most of the Avatar reviews have praised WAY more than visuals

    by MandrakeRoot

    I don't know where the haters are getting this from, but the overwhelming majority of the reviews praise Sure the FX are the groundbreaking thing, but it seems the story is executed so well, and the film is quite emotional and has characters we care about. Not to mention Stephen Lang is said to give one of the best villainous performances ever. <p> The movie is SERIOUSLY being considered for Best Picture/Director nominations. I'm sorry, but a so called "empty-spectacle" film would never in a million years warrant that kind of nomination. It's clear Avatar is a great movie all around. <p> All you people who are on the fence about Avatar, or think that your not excited, just wait til you see it, seriously. Most of the critics were just like you, not believing the hype and thinking the film would be a disaster. However they are now all man enough to admit that Avatar is a great film through and through, and it's a cinematic experience the likes of which has never been seen.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000 you got an A+ in being a fucking retard.

    by snakecharmer

    hate all you want. Cameron is Cameron. He's got 25 years of making sick films. You have carpal tunnel from wacking of to kiddy porn.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST

    I saw it last week, relax, it's incredible

    by LightninBolt

    I genuinely feel sorry for the trolls on here who COME TO THIS SITE and POST ON THIS FORUM but can't allow themselves to hope that the film might be explosive and very entertaining. The opening 40 minutes is super entertaining, the leads are so good that I was welling up within ONE MINUTE of them meeting (which I was not expecting) and the yes the final 30 minutes is the best action I can remember seeing EASILY! It's hardcore, imaginative beyond belief, has the violence and power of Aliens, generally INCREDIBLE, you will be holding onto your seat for 2mins without realising.<P> I feel sorry for you because you've probably never seen a James Cameron genre movie in the cinema on it's YEAR OF RELEASE. You have been blugeoned by 12 years of crap blockbusters since AICN started. It's sad.<P> Yeah, some of the music is a little too ethnic and are there two annoying 'swaying chanting' sections, but the rest is fast, HARDCORE and incredible, FANTASY action with a KILLER script!

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST

    I saw it last week, relax, it's incredible

    by LightninBolt

    I genuinely feel sorry for the trolls on here who COME TO THIS SITE and POST ON THIS FORUM but can't allow themselves to hope that the film might be explosive and very entertaining. The opening 40 minutes is super entertaining, the leads are so good that I was welling up within ONE MINUTE of them meeting (which I was not expecting) and the yes the final 30 minutes is the best action I can remember seeing EASILY! It's hardcore, imaginative beyond belief, has the violence and power of Aliens, generally INCREDIBLE, you will be holding onto your seat for 2mins without realising.<P> I feel sorry for you because you've probably never seen a James Cameron genre movie in the cinema on it's YEAR OF RELEASE. You have been blugeoned by 12 years of crap blockbusters since AICN started. It's sad.<P> Yeah, some of the music is a little too ethnic and are there two annoying 'swaying chanting' sections, but the rest is fast, HARDCORE and incredible, FANTASY action with a KILLER script!

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Holding on to your seat for 20 minutes

    by LightninBolt

    I meant

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    about the wheelchair,here we go again:

    by ominus

    you fuckers haters have you watched the traiker? HAVE YOU? because there is a scene where Quaritch tells to Jake,that if he will see to get his real,HIS REAL,HIS FUCKING REAL,legs you understand what this specific scene with this specific dialogue means? <p>that there is the fucking technology to repair Jake's disabled legs,but for some reason,the most possible one being the huge cost of such repair,Jake can not get that he uses the old fashion and cheap way of using a wheelchair. <p>and the reason he uses a wheelchair with his arms and not with a motor,is because he is a marine,he is proud,he doesnt want the help or the sympathy from the others,he can manage by himself.and he may not have his legs anymore,but he has the rest of his body and he wants it to be in a great fitness state. <p>and that is shown best in the scene from one of the released clips, where Weaver grabs Jake's legs in order to put them on the machine-bed,but Jake stops her,and puts by himself his legs on the bed. <p>do you understand now? DO YOU zip it and find something else to nitpick.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST


    by theplant


  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST


    by theplant

    Ebert,who is a Pulitzer Prize Winner for film criticism,and one of the most respected film critics internationally,a guy that knows that Transformers 2 is a POS movie,a guy who TRASHED the Avatar's August screen preview,a guy who is against 3D movies,he himself has repeatedly mentioned that,that guy was ecstatic after the ending of the movie,gave 4/5 start to his review,and specifically said: ''At 163 minutes, the film doesn't feel too long. It contains so much. The human stories. The Na'vi stories, for the Na'vi are also developed as individuals. The complexity of the planet, which harbors a global secret. The ultimate warfare, with Jake joining the resistance against his former comrades.'' I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins.'' got it? understood? capis? κατελαβου; cheers.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Why don't the Earthers just kill the Sam Worthington character?

    by CrushKillDestroy

    If this is like the Matrix where your thoughts are projected into a body, kill the original host and the Navi body dies? That should be easy, since he is out of the body and a cripple. They could bioengineer a "clone" of the Worthington Navi and send that (an army of them) in to disrupt.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    If the movie cost $300M or above

    by CrushKillDestroy

    much of that $ will be put in as an expense for "developing new technology/revenue stream"

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    The debate is over

    by jsscript2007

    Critics around the world praise the film as an achievement. Audiences are thrilled and overwhelmed. The fear and doubt has been dispelled. The only questions that remain are how will it do at the awards (Academy) and how huge will he box ofice be? Truth be told, most people don't care so long as they enjoy the movie. As Ebert said, Cameron has been re-elected as King. That's about as much of a last word as you can get. The people who curse the film are the same people who stand on bridges and throw stones at passing cars. Since the reviews have come out, this thread is void of a single mature or intelligent negative comment posted about the film. The short bus comments only reinforce the perspective there isn't a single active brain cell among those posting negative comments. In the midst of a era not unlike the great depression when some classic films emerged, Cameron's effort is regarded as a monumental cinematic achievement that will be refferenced for years to come.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Ebert: Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw

    by knowthyself


  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST


    by knowthyself

    Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw "Star Wars" in 1977.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    The wheelchair...

    by pmsc

    is explained within the first 5 minutes of the film - treatment is available to regrow his spine but he can't afford it. Simple. It's also used as a minor plot point. Honestly, the retarded things some of you lot pick on before you've even seen then film...

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by pmsc the film and it will answer your question re why not just kill Sully's body.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Do most of you like it becauee the humans are evil?

    by Rand92

    Is this like that District 9 film where most people liked it because it made the human race look all evil? Is it a collective mass guilt complex or something? Not trying to start a fight here I am just curious to how the minds work around here.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    the king of the world has returned!

    by cloudrider`


  • Dec. 13, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Nobody shoots action like Cameron

    by knowthyself

    I think ppl have forgotten this.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    the spinal cord issue....again

    by Bouncy X

    someone mentioned its explained early on in the movie so that solves that. but even if it wasnt, i don't see the big deal considering how hard and complicated spinal cord issues are. look at us today, we're not any closer to healing/curing those serious spinal injuries then they were 50years ago. its obviously a complicated part of the body to understand and fix. i mean how often do sci-fi movies show people with those sorta injuries wearing some kind of prosthetic or whatnot to help them walk. you rarely if ever see anyone get "fixed". i'm pretty sure we will all be dead before they even get close. as far as we've come technology wise, we're still far behind in some medical situations.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    It's really kind of amazing

    by jsscript2007

    Cameron dedicated his life for several years and gambled hundreds of millions of dollars by building something whose sole purpose is to entertain you for less than three hours. How great is that?

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    but that is not the greatest thing.

    by cloudrider`

    spending several years and gambling huge sum of money is just business as usual for modern big budget directors. that's not what makes cameron great. the greatest thing is that, against all odd, he pulled it off. yet again. <p> they doubted him with titanic, and he proved everyone wrong. they doubted him again with avatar, and now he's proved them wrong again. see the pattern? <p> do not bet against the king of the world. <p> the king has returned. LONG LIVE THE KING!

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    the only thing that remains now for Cameron

    by ominus

    is to save Arnie's political and acting career.or at least his acting one.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    jsscript2007: Cameron dedicated his life to change movies forev

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...and he fucking did it. What did you do today?

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by FuckMichaelBay

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    by ominus

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by cloudrider`

    can you dig it?

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    3D CGI Explosions > Story Script Acting

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Avatar movie review. <P>"Avatar has great 3D CGI and explosions, but cliche story, terrible acting, horrible dialogue, underwhelming score.......5 0ut 0f 5 ! AWESOME!!!MASTERPIECE !!!!!! CHANGE MOVIES FOREVAR!!!!!" <P> I'm glad the critics approve ..... hahhahahah. That's all that matters.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Trannyformers_Apologist=pwned again. And again.

    by blakindigo

    and again… Notice the pattern?

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Hey Trannyformers

    by DragonfireXV

    Great, you're not looking forward to Avatar. STFU already nobody cares. If you think it's the worse movie ever made, that's ok, just don't go see it. Stop whining like a girl already.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    PREDICTION: Opening weekend...$60 - 75 million...

    by BurnHollywood

    Domestic take...$275 million<br> Overall take...$600 million<p> One of the Top 5 movies of 2009, but it won't displace TRANSFORMERS 2, HARRY POTTER or UP. The big hindrance will be lack of name recognition ("WTF is an 'Avatar'?!") and plot clarity amongst the average moviegoer...good example here:<p>

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    LA Film Critics voting right now; Avatar lost to District 9

    by PennsyDeux

    in production design; the big categories will be announced a little after 5PM Eastern.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Avatar and Titanic

    by Hipshot

    If you look at the Rotten Tomatoes compilations, the reviews are actually quite similar, maybe a touch better on "Titanic" but not really much. I don't think it has the same potential fan base, but it's gonna be huge.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by Spazatronik2000


  • Dec. 13, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood—that sounds about right—

    by blakindigo

    —It'll probably make what "2012" is making (about to cross $700 million)…

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...don't mean to be rude about this but medical science has made huge strides in the repair and treatment of spinal cord injuries in the last fifty years. Thirty years ago, for just a single example, one of my uncles had a steel rod placed in his back just because of compressed vertebrae. Not to be taken as a comment or criticism of Avatar.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    It looks like The Polar Express

    by banditmania

    I'm pointing at the Emperor's new clothes, it's like watching a PS3 game.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    New York Film Critics vote Avatar Best Picture

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Buckle up. The ride is about to begin.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    And no, Avatar will not do 2012 numbers.

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    It's heading for the stratosphere. Whether it will have the largest opening weekend is doubtful - this isn't Twilight or a known commodity after all - but it WILL be one of the highest grossers of all time once it finishes its run. Anybody who thinks nobody knows what Avatar is is simply kidding themselves. This movie is about to break on the world like the giant tsunami from The Abyss.<P>Avatar = Star Wars: A New Hope '09.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    My sister

    by secretcylon

    Who I hardly ever see, and have never talked to about this movie told me she "couldn't wait" to see Avatar. She is NOT a movie geek or genre person. Found that interesting.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by ominus

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    At least a billion.

    by imagin78

    Avatar is currently tracking to open at around $80 million and to make around $300 million domestically and at least $1 billion worldwide. <p> However, like Turd said, the sky is the limit. An original property is dependent on word of mouth and, if early talk is any indication, Avatar should get boat loads. <p> Also, this bullshit about nobody outside of geek circles wanting to see this is bunk. Buzz and awareness is in the 90's. I know family members, non-moviegoers, and women who are all dying to see this. Avatar WILL be a monster hit.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Bouncy X

    no offense taken. i just meant for the sorta injuries that put people in wheelchairs for life. it seems we're far from the point where paralysis(however thats spelled) is something that can be easily fixed.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Avatar gets fucked over by LA Film Critics...

    by PennsyDeux

    Their best picture was Hurt Locker, runner up - Up in the Air. Bigelow won best director and somebody named Michael Haneke was runnerup for The White Ribbon. <p> And the NYFC votes tomorrow; the best picture award Avatar won today was from the NY Film Critics Online group. Different from the NYFC itself.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    so are we going to have Cameron vs his ex-wife?

    by ominus

    very cool

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Join the AVATAR party next friday!!!

    by mr dark

    It will be held in the haters mouths and everyone will be coming..

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    A number of positive reviews contain caveats...

    by CountryBoy

    Maybe someone said this above. I'm not trying to be a hater, but I think AVATAR is exactly what it looked like: an eye-popping spectacle with a rather shallow story. Cameron is a master craftsman, but maybe not an artist.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Avatar should clean up with the technical awards

    by jsscript2007

    but critics will most likely favor more 'sign of the time' films for best pic, like when Star Wars lost to Annie Hall.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I see Avatar in 68 hours

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Holy shit.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Jsscript, it's possible, though...


    ...that Avatar could win various Best Director awards, similar to Spielberg winning for Saving Private Ryan, but losing Best Picture to Shakespeare in Love.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    It's hard not to want to give Cameron Best Director...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...after seeing most of what Oscar 2009 has to offer, he really knocked it out of the park.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...doesn't even make the lists...

    by MJohnson

    ...for one of the best films of the year for the American Film Institute, Time Magazine, L.A. Critics, Associated Press...looks like those New York critics are all alone...except for the TRADES...

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Even Star Trek made the National Board of Review list...

    by MJohnson

    ...but no Avatar....

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    DAMN. THE. GODS. (New Clash trailer, Kraken is in da house!)

    by Vesuvio - man that looks good, heavy metal and all.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Encouraging reports

    by Messyjoe

    I must confess I paid little attention to the potential plot. I thought it was about humans spying on the blue guys, and that was why they sent a disguised human. Of course I thought he was unlikely to 'pass' as native. So I am sure the natives know right away he is a human in a blue body. Taking their side against the nasty humans is just standard (albeit shallow) story telling. I am still puzzled that the guy is paraplegic and their medicine cant fix that, but they can clone like crazy. And that in the trailer they show the blue guy but his soles are not painted blue, like they forgot that part. Yes I know, this sound picky, but I get hung up on things like that. Anyway I look forward to seeing this film repeatedly.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    The last time I was truly wowed by effects...

    by darthvedder81

    Was the "helicopter" shot of Theed from Phantom Menace. Everything since then has been some variation of that theme (as far as environment/backdrop go).

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    CNN story on the first screening.

    by snakecharmer

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I think Weaver's just slipped a spoiler, right there.

    by Vesuvio

    And not a very small one, btw.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    try this for the CNN story

    by Rectal Blowout

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Definitely true about Theed. The look of that shot became the signature look for CG establishing shots for sometime. The palace with the small flock of birds... There were a lot of shots in Gladiator that looked exactly like that. In fact, a lot of the effects from Phantom Menace hold up just fine, even Jar jar looks really good in a lot of places, especially when they first meet him in the woods. It's funny how different and filmic Phantom Menace looks compared to Eps 2 & 3.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I think the palms of hands and the bottoms of feet are colored differently then the rest of the body on most animals (humans included.) Also, I believe they CAN fix his legs he just can't afford it.

  • Dec. 13, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by PennsyDeux

    I can't hear you, sorry. ;)

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Avatar sequels

    by BBSloth

    Anyone else see the article that said Sam Worthington was signed up for two Avatar sequels?

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST


    by quantize

    yes i posted a link to it in another thread..

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 4:06 a.m. CST


    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Nearly all reviews have pointed out that the story - while familiar - is flawlessly executed, emotionally engaging, and well acted across the board. This is an inarguable fact. Style over substance doesn't cut it for good critical reviews - did you see 2012 and Transformers garner the same critical praise? End of discussion.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 5:32 a.m. CST


    by DioxholsterReturns

    AVATURD sucks Na'vi balls

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I see SGU got a second season. Congratulations! How was the first season? (Is it over yet?) I'm making my way through Babylon 5 right now. As a big DS9 fan, it's quite an eye opener.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    What distinguishes AVATAR from other big budget movies

    by snallyg

    is that it's Cameron's vision. If he succeeds or fails (I can't say having not seen the film)the simple fact is this: If it weren't for Cameron, there would be not Avatar. Period. This isn't some franchise property shopped around to the hot list of directors. This all came out of Cameron's head. Same thing goes for Lucas- we may have problems with the design and execution (I had problems with SW) but I think we need to show some respect for the man's vision.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by golfgate

    which did you like better DS9 or B5

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Awards are nice but...

    by jsscript2007

    How often does the most successful box-office movie win best picture? Rarely are they one in the same. Critics have a different agenda than the average film goer, obviously. A lot of people might not want to see a film about personal trauma as opposed to something with more escapism. I guess I'm preaching to the choir on this thread, it's just unfortunate that many people will judge a films worth based soley on awards. On the flipside, they say word of mouth is the best form of advertising and if this holds true, Avatar will eventually out do Titanic at the box-office.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I really like both. Being a hardcore DS9 fan, it was shocking to me how many similarities there were in the first season. There are very specific things that I like better and worse about each show. That would be a long discussion which I'd totally be up for but I have to keep jumping back over to my actual work so I'm afraid to start what might turn out to be a loooong post. Which do you prefer?

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Also, I only just finished the first season of B5 and I'm still processing the fact that Sinclair is gone. My friend tells me not to worry though and that the new guy is awesome.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    its been

    by traxz101

    explained a thousand times! They have the technology to fix his legs! but what would be the point in that? there is no delema. ''ill see to it you get your legs back, your real legs'' its a line in the trailer that everyone has seen by now! but first he has gota do the job the RDA have given him, and anywho... he has an avatar body! why would he even want his legs back? why would anyone wana be human again? Thats the delema, which life dose he wana lead? human, or navi.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by golfgate

    enjoy them - i liked DS9 better overall but the first 4 seasons of B5 were good and the B5 writers did a better job with the overall story arc than the DS9 guys did. I felt the DS9 last 10 episodes felt rushed and were not mapped as well as B5 was along the way.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Interesting point. I definitely agree about season 7 of DS9 which is funny because I feeling that DS9 did a smoother more "elegant" job building character and set up during it's first season that B5 did. B5 felt a little clunky at times in S1 (But i'm still lovong it!). Maybe that's the thing, Ds( took such a gradual approach building it's characers and situations, that they had to rush to tie it all up in the end (that plus the Ezri dax situation.) Sorry if this post isn't in English, I'm typing really fast at work. Again though, there are many things that i'm LOVING about B5.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    Sully's Legs

    by secretcylon

    So how come they don't just fix em?? Joking!!!

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Babylon 5 really comes into it's own by season 3

    by blakindigo

    Like HornOrSilk writes, and for the time it came out Babylon 5 had some pretty shocking plot twists and character changes. But, they didn't feel forced or like a cheap surprise.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    HOLY COW!!! --James Cameron may direct THE AVENGERS!!!

    by JDanielP


  • Dec. 14, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    It just hasn't grabbed my attention :(

    by codecrackx15

    My prediction is, Avatar will be number one this weekend and then Sherlock Holmes takes the number one spot the weekend of Christmas and the Chipmunks take the number 2 spot and Avatar places 3rd and then steadily drops from there. Sherlock Holmes and the Chipmunks will have the 1 and 2 spots locked for New Years Weekend also. I've seen the Avatar trailers and I've read about the story but it just doesn't seem interesting and it basically looks too CGI just like the Prequels for Star Wars. Plus, 3-D doesn't do it for me, too annoying watching a movie in 3-D. Just my 2 cents.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    The hate will be justified on Friday.

    by disfigurehead

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Everybody loves Avatar. Haters lose.

    by CuervoJones

    You get used to it, don´t you?

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    blakindigo & HornOrSilk

    by secretcylon

    So frustrating, wish I could talk more about the show. Predates BSG in so many ways, there was a scene where the new president was being sworn in on Air Force 2 at the end of Season 1. It was EXACTLY the same as Roslin's swearing in on BSG and that's just the tip of a very large iceberg. I love the effects. They're often cheesy, but often they are WAY MORE evocative than the half baked 3d of DS9. I get a real sense of scale and atmosphere. Also, love the dark lighting for the interiors of B5 and i LOVE how overall, you get a real sense that B5 is MASSIVE. DS9 definitely failed for me in that regard.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Knobules do u have a link with that ad?

    by ominus

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Ouch. I think Ron Moore felt that!! Also, I love that the show is connected to a very "real" earth with a president and senate and real earth religions. As opposed to Trek which sort of disavows anything from contemporary earth.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Disavows anything

    by secretcylon

    Except baseball!

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by kells

    Avatar wins every technical Oscar this year, and nothing else.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Prediction II...

    by kells

    If Cameron is nominated for best director, he loses to Kathryn Bigelow...who says "Now who's King of the World, bitch?" while accepting her award for The Hurt Locker. She then reveals that Cameron has a tiny dick and used to make her call him "the Sperminator" when having sex...

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Kathryn Bigelow is a hot MILF

    by ominus

    and only for that alone she deserves the oscar

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    B5 was an amazing scifi series

    by ominus

    but JSM at end somehow managed to fuck it up.pity.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    kathy lee looooves this fliq

    by Meadowe

    She was on that show that's after lauer's on nbc, talkqing bout how she didn't thinq it would be a fliq she would enjoy, but she was captivated during the entire thing. She also said there's a great loooooove story in there that she liked. So take this how you will.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    I think you're right about Trek. There was a reason though. In Trek, there was a devastating nuclear armageddon (I picture something very much like Mad Max)that wiped out everything we know and love. The Trek universe we see pretty much was starting from scratch. A kind of societal and cultural "clean slate". I also liked the BSG look. It made sense how much there culture resembled ours since they started as an offshoot Earth colony (that's right isn't it? I've only seen the first season). It seems the BSG world is a great example of paralell evolution. Both production designs, I think; made perfect internal logic for there respective universes. By the way, is BSG worth watching from beginning to end? I enjoyed the first season.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Has Cameron ever made a film without a love story?

    by blakindigo

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    No, Cameron hasn't...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    ever made a movie without a love story but that's okay by me since he does it so well. He's got to be one of the only major hollywood filmmakers to tell a love story that doesn't have me rolling my eyes. That ain't easy to do, unless it's a foreign film or an independent.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Hey haters!

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> 91% on RT and has climbed back up from 83%. It's a good start and the movie hasn't even opened yet. Not to many films are in the 90s. You're always going to get a few moron critics with closed minds that are all negative about shit because they haven't been laid in a long time. </P>

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    They're not here anymore. Movies good. Haters go bye bye. Hear those crickets? That's the voice of detraction.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Hey Michael Bay!

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> So what are you going to do when the studio says: </P> <P> "Listen fucker, Tranny 2's story sucked horse cock. It was worse then the 1st one. We won't finance Tranny 3 unless it's 3D. If the story is gonna suck then it'll need the 3D promotion to attract pissed off fans. </P> <P> We know you think 3D is a gimmick and that you said your style of filming is too aggressive for 3D, which we all know is a load of monkey shit - just watch Avatar you arrogant ass fuck." </P> <P> So Michael, are you going to film Tranny 3 in 3D or bail under the pressure? </P>

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Forget Bay...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Bay, Ratner, Abrams.... They've just been targeted for termination. Not McG though. He's already dead.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    man if Bay made a 3D TF then the only

    by ominus

    way you could follow his action there,would be to play the movie in slow frames is already difficult to understand what happens during his action scenes in TF,imagine in 3d...

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Definitely watch BSG from start to finish WITHOUT spoilers if possible. Also, you must, must, begin with the mini-series. IMO it's the best thing they ever did. Seasons 1&2 are perfect, Season 3 is a B- and S4 is Great and terrible all at once. Definitely one of the best shows ever though...

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Also, regarding trek, it's not that I don;t like the Trek premise, quite the opposite in fact, it was just refreshing in B5 to see a Sci Fi world so connected with our own.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    That's my point

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> It's not that Bay's filming is aggressive, it's just filmed wrong. The action in Avatar clearly shows that action in 2D and 3D can be done properly. Bay's 3D would be just a big fucking blur. </P> <P> JJ Abrams is considering filming the next Star Trek in 3D because of Avatar. A lot of directors are considering it. I wonder if and when Nolan will? I wonder if the studio will pressure the 3rd Batman to be in 3D. I think Nolan will probably film as much as he can using the IMAX cameras rather then 3D. </P>

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    seniorspeilbergio.......secretcylon is correct

    by theKRELL

    If you are Netflixing the series, definitely get the mini-series first. If you are purchasing the swries, Season 1 has the mini-series included.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I did not know that. Thanks!

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Season 3 a 'b-'? Did we watch the same show—

    by blakindigo

    the Shadows? Sheridan? I refuse to spoil anything but, that was when major changes happened that were completely unexpected. More of a 'soap opera' but quite dramatic for SF television at the time.<br><br>Straczynski definitely went in another direction and didn't play it safe.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by theKRELL

    I found this out after the fact, wish someone had told me! *sigh*

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    the wheelchair...

    by Dan Halen

    didn't battlestar galactica have cancer? no cure for cancer yet... in other words, as far on as the technology is some things will always plague us. The wheelchair is one of those things. Doesn't really make sense with the technology around it but it makes for a nice contrast. Here is this guy surrounded by technology that can do anything but here he is still stuck in a wheelchair. It makes his leap to the avatar that more dramatic. Come on guys - it's good story telling. That's the reason. This is sci-fi but it's not 'hard sci-fi' don't play logic games so hard. Let it ride...

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by ominus

    explain that you losy haters,ahahahahaha <p>and yes i know about Rodenberys wonderful answer when he was asked the above fact from a journalist.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by ominus


  • Dec. 14, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Cameron to direst the Avengers? Is this Bullshit ?

    by mr dark

    Or a real possibility...where did this story come from? please elelaborate..

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    err!! that was supposed to be direct the Avengers

    by mr dark

    Is this story total bullshit or does it have any truth in it at all?

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Cameron knows the value of combining love and spectacle

    by jsscript2007

    he grew up living only minutes from Niagara Falls.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    3D 3D 3D

    by Messyjoe

    I think, and others here seem to agree, that 3D will give Avatar legs for a decent BO. Michael Bay 'will' come on board, because it is the coming thing. Transformers 3 can look awesome in 3D, as long as he controls his tendency to throw all the shit on the wall at once.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    The Avengers is rumor.

    by imagin78

    I think that rumor came from the fact that Worthington wore an Avengers shirt to the Avatar talk today with Cameron and Saldana. That got a bunch of people to start speculating online.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Cameron doing The Avengers?

    by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave

    Sounds like bullshit, but you never know. He could do a hell of a superhero flick, though. He missed out on Spider-Man; this could be his chance. Any Spider-Man or X-Men movie helmed by Cameron would have been the magnum opus of the genre. I know Stan Lee is a fan of Cameron. Maybe he could do another marvel title, like Capt. America, with Worthington as the titular character?

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Cameron likes to do his own creations now

    by jsscript2007

    I doubt he'd do Avengers.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    If Cameron got a hold of the Avengers ..

    by mr dark

    I would consider it a sign of the end of the world as we know it.. Human eyes and ears were never meant to see the kind of awesome spectacle that film would be. If James Cameron would have helmed Spiderman we probably wouldn't be having conversations about how lame the franchise has become and Mary jane would have been much hotter..Oh Lord !! One can only dream what an Avengers helmed by the "King" would be like.I say bring it on just make sure it comes out before the world ends...Avatar party on friday!!! Its in the haters mouths and everyone is coming!!!

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Now 92% on RT and rising

    by Rectal Blowout

    <P> and this weekend while Avatar is making love to my eyeballs, I'll make sure the haters have a good view... </P> <P> </P> <P> of Cameron's ball sack. </P>

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Haters be warned.... If during opening night...

    by snakecharmer

    you sit by me and you make annoying stupid comments, I will punch in the mouth when the movie is over. IMAX 3D cost too damn much!

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    The Wheelchair makes sense

    by ganda1f

    Because he's a Marine, and Marines Make Do.<br><br>That, and simple = better. What Military wants to add more complexity to the supply chain, especially on an Alien world where any anti-grav tech would have to be recalibrated?<br><br>The more I see of this film, the more I like. Hopefully that trend continues to when I see it this weekend.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Better than Aliens.

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Okay. Let's calm the fuck down a little. Easy, tiger, when you say things like 'You can't tell what's real and what's not' you clearly need to boost your anti-psychotic meds to the maximum, because in MY world, big blue bitches flying around on dragons don't exist.<p>I still imagine I'll be entertained by this flick when I see it, but shit, man, don't try and sell the 'the CGI will fool you' jive. Because only idiots will buy it.<p>I don't think any of these people are plants, by the by. I imagine they really liked the flick.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by theKRELL

    And exactly how many of Cameron's Aliens exist in YOUR world!

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    Thanks guys. I was wondering if the mini series should be seen first. I'm a sucker for internal chronological order with my sci-fi series. And I'm just going to buy that big old box set, I think. It's the only way to watch TV anymore. Wait for the show to end, buy the whole thing at once and watch at your leaisure. Show's are too complex now for me to watch them over peiods of years anymore.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Cameron on Leno, Zoe on Letterman, and...

    by snakecharmer

    Giovanni on Fallon.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by theKRELL

    Thanks for the heads-up.

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Snakecharmer !!

    by mr dark

    I'll take Sigorney Weaver in center square for the win !!!

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Avatar = Orgasmic Oculations

    by mr dark

    3 days to go for me and then ..My eyes have seen the coming of the lord..

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    You're "a sucker" for anything that has balls dangling off of the end of it, actually...

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    mr dark

    by BurnHollywood

    "My eyes have seen the coming of the load"<p> You might want to add goggles to the kneepads you carry around as your standard equipment...

  • Dec. 14, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST


    by pauduro

    im going to pass thanks

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Cameron got moved to Tonight Show on Wed.

    by snakecharmer

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    i don't think cameron is directing the avengers..

    by iwasredempted

    i just think that it means worthington may be cast as capt america the first avenger. search your feelings you know this to be true.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Golden Globed nom Best Pic &

    by jsscript2007

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST

    AVATAR Golden Globe nom Best pic & Director

    by jsscript2007

    and score

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    A spokesman for 20th Century Fox which backed it said Avatar cos

    by jsscript2007

    Just in case Ash wanted to know.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Actual costs of Avatar

    by jsscript2007

    A spokesman for 20th Century Fox which backed it said Avatar cost $237 million to make and $150 million to market.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    can't type for shit today

    by jsscript2007

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST


    by ominus


  • Dec. 15, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Watching the trailer is foreplay for my eyes

    by jsscript2007

    Can't wait much longer.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the heads up Snakecharmer

    by mr dark

    Golden Globes noms best pic and direct..It only keeps getting better..The haters just keep on hating..They will find something new to hate next month while their standing in line to see Avatar for their 5th time..fucking losers the lot of them..

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by Mr_Satan

    So shut the fuck up with all the hate please. I just read their review of the movie, and the guy thought it was James Camerons Masterpiece. Now back to you tools. I have never seen so many people wanting something to fail for absolutely no reason. Why do you care so much? Do you have a bet on it failing in Vegas, or do you work for a studio who was shunned by Cameron? What is the issue that cause's all of you "HATERS" to act like raving lunatics, over something that shouldn't affect you one way or another? I really want some answers. So please answer the question. I can handle the truth.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Ominus ... are you going for the Imax glory?

    by mr dark

    I saw the 15 mins in Imax ..I truly recommend the Big screen experience..

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    talk show site - Avatar crew making their rounds

    by Rectal Blowout

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    James Cameron's AVENGERS

    by JDanielP

    In all honesty, my mention of Cameron possibly directing THE AVENGERS movie was no more than posting my wish. It was only coincidence that an AVENGERS shirt was worn during an AVATAR interview...or whatever the heck was going on, which I'm not familiar with.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    mr dark unfortunately we dont have IMAX

    by ominus

    here in Greece,the biggest screen we have s called Vmax,whatever that means,so i wont get the full experience from this movie :(

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by BurnHollywood

    PROBABLE:<br> Best Picture; Best Original Song; Best Original Score; Best Original Screenplay; [All applicable technical awards]<p> POSSIBLE:<br> Best Director; Best Supporting Actor (Stephen Lang)<p> WILL WIN:<br> [All applicable technical awards]<p> Only if it doesn't bomb, which it won't...see my Box Office PREDICTIONs.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    nah forget the artistic oscars,avatar wont get any

    by ominus

    academy might not even nomitate the movie for those categories,except ofc the technical ones.and its pity,because Stephen Lang deserves a supporting actor oscar nomination,but his character is a militarist bad guy,so they will ignore him.fuckturds.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Gawker RE: HATERS

    by secretcylon

    My apologies if someone already posted this: To all our comrades in arms on the Avatar Sucks barricades. Our fight was brave. Our cause was noble. In some way, I'll figure out later, we can claim this was a moral victory for our. But the time has come to lay down our arms and return to our pastures and couches. It has been a honor to serve with you all and history will honor our valor and our sacrifice. But the war has ended. And we are losers.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Entire Article

    by secretcylon

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by ominus


  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    That's awesome, man. i'm still laughing.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Oh Burn...

    by seniorspeilbergio

    You're still my bitch so it's okay. But our time will end soon. I have to hand you over to Big Jim this weekend. And it won't be your eyeballs he'll be fucking. As always, this is for you... :). Bye, sweetie.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Oh, hey Burny

    by seniorspeilbergio

    Did you see those Avatar reviews yet? Oh and did you hear about the Golden Globe nomination? I ask because I notice you haven't answered that question yet. Your little quips are very entertaining but you know, that is the burning question. So, have you heard the good news, brother?

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Thanks, I thought it was awesome too. It should be required reading for all haters. My friend who sent me the link was a hater, and Gawker was his last line of defense.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST


    by seniorspeilbergio

    We got to remember the names of the haters here because you just know they're going to get all kinds of quiet from opening day onward. Like my little buddy, Burn there. You got to check this guys' postings out. He's priceless. But yeah. I don't plan on letting them off the hook that easy.

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Avatar music video just went online

    by jsscript2007

  • Dec. 15, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    was strange. Excited about the movie though.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST


    by theblackvegtable

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Seeing it tonight..

    by Mr_George_Kaplan

    3D screening at the Suntec Centre in about 21/2 hours.<P>To quote a JC classic* - I'LL BE BACK<P><P><P>*and I'm not saying this will be

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by ominus


  • Dec. 16, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    i will try and write a review later

    by ominus

    i am just too excited to write right now

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Just saw it

    by Mr_George_Kaplan

    After nearly a year of not giving a shit about this film and being less than impressed by the trailer and left cold by the plot snippets I'd heard here my expectations were pretty low and I was fully prepared to come back saying it was too cartoony, the plot unoriginal and cliche ridden and that JC had lost his edge and this thing was a turd.<P>And then I saw it and, although my eyeballs haven't been raped, it is fair to say my arse got thoroughly kicked. It is fucking great. Everything worked. The action, the story, the effects, the performances (especially Sigourney Weaver and Giovanni Ribsi) all did the fucking business.<P>Yes there were a few cheesy moments and yes I think you will be missing out if you don't see it in 3D but Jim Cameron is fucking good at his job and the level of detail, choice of shots and understanding of the audience likes to see shows why he IS the best at what he does and I was an arse to doubt him.<P>People will say that the 3D shouldn't have any impact on whether or not it works but to me it was an essential component of the film - same as shooting it in colour or having a soundtrack. Doesn't feel like a gimmick in the slightest.<P>Up there with Moon, District 9 and Star Trek in my list of most enjoyable cinema experiences this year.

  • Dec. 16, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Just Saw! It's Spectacular! Sam's a stiff.. and Neytiri is Sexy!

    by lcworld

    I came to Hong Kong to see it :D 2 days ahead of US =P. I pretty much agree with the other reviewers: Thunderhead, Lone Ranger, Cameron's bitch on many things. In 3D on the big screen, it does NOT look like a cartoon! The first few shots of Jake as a Na'vi is not 100% convincing but once he runs into the jungle, everything becomes more natural. Neytiri is the best done CG character, better than Jake or Sigourney's avatars. In fact, I think she's sexy! Probably Cameron wanted us to feel she's sexy. The jungle, the CG Lighting! omg. I will watch it again next time in Imax 3D. I saw it in digital 3D. The story is a little predictable :-( but there are great moments in the movie that got me choked up. My only beef is with Sam Worthington-I think he's a stiff!...with a monotonous voice that sounds like Mel Gibson or Russell Crowe(even Mel has more emotions). Look how much Leonardo added to Titanic. He just can't find the emotions to express the wonder... the love... the profound regret of betraying his loved ones etc. Very natural 3D, no nausea at all.