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Friday’s Two New Hours Of Fox’s DOLLHOUSE Bring Back Alan Tudyk & Patton Oswalt!!
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The handful of viewers who caught last week’s two-hour “Dollhouse” with Summer Glau and Ray Wise seemed to enjoy very much what they got.
I liked it too, but continue to be confused at how Bennett Halverson never caught on to the fact that she was hot.
Tonight’s new two-hour installment not only brings back Alan Tudyk as the criminally insane rogue active Alpha and Patton Oswalt as sad Internet mogul Joel Mynor, it pins a new badge on “24” Secret Service icon Glenn Morshower.
Plus, it looks like the Dollhouse continues to pressure an already hugely conflicted Adelle DeWitt.
Fox says:
Dec. 11: "Meet Jane Doe"/"A Love Supreme"
In the aftermath of her entanglements at the D.C. Dollhouse, Echo finds herself out in the world struggling to keep her multiple personalities under control. Adelle finds her grip on the house challenged by Harding, and Boyd receives a mysterious phone call. Meanwhile, when Echo’s past romantic engagements are murdered, suspicion falls on Alpha, whose return leaves one member of the house permanently mind-wiped.
Guest Cast: Keith Carradine as Matthew Harding; Liza Lapira as Ivy; Philip Casnoff as Clive Ambrose; Maurissa Tancharoen as Kilo; Glenn Morshower as Sheriff Rand; Ana Claudia Talancon as Galena; Jonathan Del Arco as Mr. Caviezel; Kevin Linehan as Deputy Merrick; Alan Tudyk as Alpha; Patton Oswalt as Joel Mynor; Brett Claywell as Matt; David Lee Smith as Clay Corman.
Reed Diamond is back as traitorous former Dollhouse employee Laurence Dominic for next week’s two-hour installment. Then the series’ final three new hours air in January.
8 p.m. Friday. Fox.
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In the aftermath of her entanglements at the D.C. Dollhouse, Echo finds herself out in the world struggling to keep her multiple personalities under control. Adelle finds her grip on the house challenged by Harding, and Boyd receives a mysterious phone call. Meanwhile, when Echo’s past romantic engagements are murdered, suspicion falls on Alpha, whose return leaves one member of the house permanently mind-wiped.
Guest Cast: Keith Carradine as Matthew Harding; Liza Lapira as Ivy; Philip Casnoff as Clive Ambrose; Maurissa Tancharoen as Kilo; Glenn Morshower as Sheriff Rand; Ana Claudia Talancon as Galena; Jonathan Del Arco as Mr. Caviezel; Kevin Linehan as Deputy Merrick; Alan Tudyk as Alpha; Patton Oswalt as Joel Mynor; Brett Claywell as Matt; David Lee Smith as Clay Corman.
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He was pretty much a run-of-the-mill client the first time around. It was fun seeing him, but this smacks of having the Beach Boys guest star on Full House for no apparent reason.
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Legend of the Seeker?
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Last week's episodes were surprisingly solid and entertaining, but was that just a fluke storyline that somehow managed to become interesting or is this show finally going to become good only after being cancelled? I'm curious to find it out...
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they are going to make the few remaining viewers wait a month for the last 3 episodes of a cancelled show, just when it finally gets interesting. Just fucking air the shit.
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Fox + Friday night = death.
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Maurissa Tancharoen & Jed Whedon & Andrew Chambliss and A Love Supreme by Jenny DeArmitt. Haven't watched those 5 spoiler clips but I hear these eps are very Echo-centric.
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[spoiler] from the synopsis it appears someone (Alpha?) is murdering Echo's past romantic engagements. So I'm guessing he gets the slashy cutty treatment early on...
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There have been decent episodes of Dollhouse to date, but last week's eps were the ones that actually hooked me. Up to this season, the characters were so unsympathetic that I couldn't connect with the show in any real way. Now we're seeing the L.A. Dollhouse crew start to gel into a familiarly Whedonesque gang of quirky Scoobies, up against the Big Bad of the Rossum Corporation. Now that's the Joss we know and love.Unfortunately, this point in the season should have come at around the halfway point of LAST season. Season 1 had way too much filler, too many red herring plotlines, and too much focus on Eliza "Workin' My Two Facial Expressions To The Max" Dushku. Whedon waited too long to pull the trigger on kicking the story up to the next level, and now it's too late.
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There seems to be some good storytelling and character development. It sucks this got cancelled. I'm hoping for some decent closure though. I'd also enjoy it if there was a solid science fiction type of show I could latch onto. I loved the X-files (well, most of it), love Lost, and was one of those who really liked Jericho (even though I didn't send nuts to CBS or anything), but there is not much well-written reality-based science fiction-y programming out there. I should probably check out Fringe (even though Fox really grates on me) or Supernatural for my sci-fi/fantasy kick I guess.Dollhouse has gotten pretty good though and at its best is a very solid and compelling show. It is unfortunate Dollhouse was not marketed very well or given a decent time-slot. I see a lot of potential and some surprisingly good acting. Just another reason to dislike Fox I suppose.
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I mean, I'd love to see more episodes in this world, but I can live with it being gone. We all knew it would be and this second season seems like a real gift. And it's appreciated. Let's hope tonight is as great as last week.
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Dec 11, 2009 9:35:41 AM CST
You know, it's hard to come back to this show after the break...
by mindtrip
But after last weeks eps, I can't believe the series is being canceled. I mean, I can, because it's on Fox, but the whole backstory of multiple dollhouses and the Rossum Corp. begs for more episodes and another season.
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Instead of using the military phonetic alphabet like LA, they use names of Greek gods.
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Though I couldn't give a flying fuck about Patton Oswalt or Alpha.
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So of course shes not hot. Fortunately, she wears glasses, so she's super smart. One point last week's show pushed, again, is how head and shoulders the other actors are over Dushku. I don't think this show was ever able to get over it's main fault, which was to create a fascinating premise, an interesting world, and a compelling group of actors/characters, but then relegate them all to supporting roles and try to force the premise into a star vehicle for it's weakest link, Dushku. This season suffers from that much less than last season, but it suffers from it nonetheless.
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The show could have been much better. I know all shows start slow and awkward sometimes. This could have been better than it was. This makes these next few episodes all the more disappointing because they are so strong.
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The next time they give Joss Whedon a show they should cancel it before it even airs a show. This show and Firefly before it both aired their best episodes after the series was cancelled. -
screw Fux for screwing the show and viewers yet again.
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hack hack HACK!we are in sync, people.
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I don't even know who he is. The internet guy? what was so important about him?
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Please don't put spoilers in your article titles. Those of us trying to stay completely spoiler-free on Dollhouse get casting info spoiled just by going to the AICN mainpage. What's the point in putting a spoiler warning in the title, when it is PRECEDED by the spoilers? Please PLEASE stop doing this.
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I know that's a reckless and crazy thing for someone on an AICN talkback to say, but there, I said it. I think she hot, too, at the risk of fomenting even more controversy.
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No more Summer? Take the trash to the dump. There is no reason for Dollhouse to continue
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where I'm home to watch Dollhouse when it airs.
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duck & cover
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Ah Topher.
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when referring to Echo. That is seriously not a good sign towards her moral discovery.
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no good. Seeing "Go now." flashbacks.
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are paved with you getting picked up by the 5-0.
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Fucking assshole prison guard. I want to stab him in the face; metaphorically.
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"morning after" pills.
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got himself some new assistants :)
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Eliza going to the Faith well once again. It is her strongest.
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for giving Eliza acting cues that she can deal with. In wrestling, if a guy can't bump, you set him up in a lot of holds to hide it.
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Lesbians with food dildos creep me out.
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Echo is like fully self aware now. And she kinda hates Caroline like everyone else.
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Reflections of Buffy/Spike fight.
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of both sides of her brain working at once & in compitition with each other.
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Topher??? Damn.
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Boyd & Ballard reafirming their core bond (Echo).
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direct relation to E1.
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I think I had this conversation before but with paramedics.
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Boyd is subtle badass.
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Adelle walk into her own office into a Mad Men epiosde? Yeesh.
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thefall of mankind.
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Harding knows about grouping?? Seems like Harding knows a lot of things that he is not sharing.
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You can tell they have a lot of women writers on staff ;)
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shit.
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OH SHIT!
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Not only the Topher/Adelle scene but Boyd walking in on Ballard & Echo. It seems, out of everyone, Boyd & Adelle's mindset has not changed. They are both all about business & getting things done; no matter the set backs.
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Adelle is fucking up, badly. Worst mistake she`s ever done. No wonder she is so remorseful in E1. This is ENTIRELY her fault. There by, acccording to Whedo law, she must die. Or save world. Whatever.
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I love your clenchy jaw :)
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Man up.
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lol.
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"Dr.Freudienstein" hee!
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What does that make her indeed.
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Well you needed the prior episodes to set tonights episodes. And you can see where Dollhouse would have gone to get to Episode 13: Epitaph One now, however, perhaps it will show enough to Syfy to pick up dollhouse.
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Only a little bit. HA!
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Roledex!Echo. Topher, man, you were always absolete for letting lthem use you.
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Blockbuster and old people! lol.
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It's game over on Jan. 22.
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If Echo wasn't helping Alpha, where was she? She suspects Boyd & Ballard for her disappearance but can't confirm.
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Geez-a-loo!
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Love it.
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Alan Tudyk!!! lol
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that ends in bits of red everywhere. Nice scene.
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How do you not have the whole bldg/heli pad surrounded at that point....unless they only brought a real small contingent...I mean c'mon you know....this is Alpha lol.
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for all, you plants?
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How's that Serenity comic coming along?
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I mean could he go independent...like 'Legend of the Seeker'..
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probably doesn't work in this situation.
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Dude, Adelle just called you out! Don't nod!
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It's like Topher just gave the Dollhouse a tag-line :)
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gonna have to watch rest later on Fox.com or torrent hehe lol.
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has international backing, if I'm not mistaken. In other words, they have other out of country studios covering the costs. Dollhouse only has FOX studios. And the ratings for Dollhouse won't even jusitfy a specific cable institution like SyFy to pick it up.
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and Python." I love the british.
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Alpha has a fight-rupter!
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No seriously, tremdously out of control. Seeing Victor in shoved into such roles tonight makes me wnat to see his Victor-centric so bad.
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A Swordfish moment and hoe moment in prime time. And now I just seen Biz Markie on Radio Shack.
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Did he die??
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He's juicy. Did he wipe Ballard or download him?
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Confirmation on the Ballard patsy.
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Faith as Buffy beating the shit out of herself = Alpha & Echo
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Kill the lover of the show's life.
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What a nice ending though. You almost forget that he hired a prostitute to replace his dead wife. Almost.
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Carry on without me for a bit. What did you think of the 3 month jump in time?
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to what I was feeling back in the first season:
"In some ways, "Meet Jane Doe" is a frustrating episode, and not just because it continues the general trend of awesome episodes post-cancellation. One of Whedon's trademarks is his love of jumping past the events most shows would spell out painstakingly and expecting the audience to catch up. To that end, it's not unusual to have one of his shows seemingly skip an act after a major event and hope the audience will catch up. It's one of the things that means he'll never be a mainstream favorite, but it's also one of the things that keeps we Whedon cultists happy and feeling vaguely smart. Honestly, though, "Meet Jane Doe" was in danger of losing even me, when we cut randomly from Echo fighting off a deputy to ... Echo working as a nurse in a hospital. The episode filled in a lot of this much later, but it honestly felt like Fox had somehow completely forgotten to air a segment of the show for a while. It made the early going perhaps more frustrating than it needed to be until it became easy to piece together what was happening."
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2009-1-13-monkeys-as-critics/posts/recap-dollhouse-meet-jane-doe
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he's alive in the future.
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I'm really starting to lean toward the British method of making shows. Short runs, get to the point, don't stretch it out. If they had gotten to the Alpha thread alot faster (which they easily could have) this part could have been the end of season 1 and might have retained some viewers. Oh well, maybe Whedon will learn THIS time and pass on signing with Fox again for anything.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:30:55 PM CST
I just can't believe this is the same show that we started out w
by dance4days
It's almost mind-boggling how much better it is all around now. The writing is tighter, the story is actually going somewhere, the characters are becoming more and more endearing (I actually cared when Ballard "died" tonight!)... hell, even Eliza's acting is better. They've even managed to fix the standalone/arc problem, but making standalones that contribute to the arc ("the one where Echo breaks a girl out of prison," "the one where Alpha makes the wiped actives go berserk," etc). What's most mind-boggling about this is that the first of tonight's episodes was written by the same team that wrote the god-awful pop star episode last season.
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They've been good this season. I actually didn't mind that ep, but whatev.
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These new eps are so fun! I'll miss you, show.
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I don't recall seeing him in Epitath One. He's referenced, but that doesn't mean he's who he used to be. Ballard could be living on in a new body in the future.
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The show is amazing now because we are witnessing 5 seasons worth of writer's ideas being crammed into 8 episodes. Each breakneck plot development would have occurred over the span of a season. The show was only able to get this good because it was canceled. Burn hot and fast, and all that.
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Gee, I just had a feeling this show was going to get balls-to-the-wall great after it gets canceled. Thanks Fox.
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this show moves now like its butt's on fire!
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who didn't see this coming from episode 6 in season 1. *NOW* you guys are on board?? It's like you've never watched a Joss Whedon show before..
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I suspect this show is more about Ms. DeWitt than anyone.
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tag: We were wondering how they would fast forward to the E1 timeline; now all it will take is the same type of cue and were there.
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...for Dollhouse, while asking for discernible protagonists and antagonists, and a clear objective, a point of confrontation for both sides of said conflict, and romance between the two leads--all the things that so many of you are now raving about in the form of these last handful-plus episodes of Dollhouse? The latter being, the same folks who relentlessly blasted "you know who" for daring to suggest such a change. Well, I won't say it, but I'll leave it to others. Cut and paste the link below into your web browsers, and take-out any space or spaces that may appear in the address below...before hitting the enter button on your computer keyboards, or you will receive an error message and be detoured to the wrong site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1EE6NSET1U&feature=related
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Remember how we thought she was decent because she cared about the welfare of her "dolls"? Those were nice & innocent times.
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She is wearing a poker face. Don't be surprised if she turns out to be the most moral of everyone there, or a least, more moral than she now appears. It is about survival and being a good gamesman in the face of souring odds. She is just waiting for her moment to strike, good, bad, or indifferent.
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You watched along with the rest of us. The things that you are seeing now were there all along; just because you couldn't recognize them, doesn't mean they were not there.
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...or perhaps...?
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It's late back there?
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she was being "mother-y" towards a broken Topher in E1 & she has shown affection for him throughout...but it still feels like she'll fuck him over to save herself.
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How's your wonky eye? Still wonky?
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One can take a bullet in many different ways...not just literally. Joss is a surprising writer, there has to be a twist there? A song to help you sleep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfH9i-C9ico
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That is when you are truly alive, in the afterlife and Heaven. You won't want to sleep, it is too beautiful to miss a second of it--for that would be a sin.BTW...my eyes are fine, all I can see is...beautiful things.
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Literaly. Whedon show after all. Not Adelle though. I suspect he's going to make her live with what she's done. I can see her or Topher looking on in horror as either Victor or Sierra gasp their last.
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That's Writing 101. The reason I love Legend of The Seeker. Adelle should seduce Topher, much like Mistress Dina seduced The Seeker. That was very sexy!
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Didn't have the swerve that it did last week but very much touched on Epitaph 1 mythology. What did you think of the "3 months later" jump in the timeline?
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I have to go to bed. Have to get up early in the morning. Well, goodnight all--it has been lovely. Enjoy the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUSfXaIWVHM
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I was mightily impressed again. Now more than ever, I think they've tweaked this episodes *after* they knew they were cancelled. So we're getting an almost headlong rush towards a decent conclusion.
So while this makes for brilliant episodes, it does have two problems. 1) I hate timeline jumps. 3 months is JUST about acceptable to me, but the 2 years done by Alias and Galactica really really pissed me off. 2) Knowing that they only had a 13 episode committment each year, means THESE are the sorts of stories they should have been telling from the start. NO PADDING.
One of my favourite shows ever was Odyssey 5 on Showtime. And while it only lasted one season, that wasn't because of bad ratings. Rather a Network decision to change the type of programming they were doing. Anyway, the reason I mention it, is that there was no padding in the episodes. The show moved the main plot forward every single episode. It was breathtaking.
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Best one season show ever - either that or Firefly - so different I'd find it hard to choose. Definitely a great one that I would LOVED to have seen continued. 20 great hours though - not bad.
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13 eps for each season. It's not like they weren't trying for the back 9. The ratings weren't there to justify it.
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And personally, I think they're cramming more than 22 episodes into the final 6. This was like watching a teaser from 2.6, Act 1 from 2.12, Act 2 from 2.15, Act 3 from 2.22 Act 4 from 3.4 and Act 5 from 3.7 Know what I mean?
Compare the density of the plotting in these episodes (and last weeks) with the crap they started season 2 with.
They should absolutely have been concentrating on moving the story forward from the moment they came out of the gate. But they didn't. Their mistake, and our loss.
I will say this: Catastrophe could have been averted, if Adelle had used Topher's weapon to imprint the Rossum heads one at a time with copies of her own personality. She could have taken over each Dollhouse personally, in different bodies, and dismantled the research that would lead them to reproduce Tophers work.
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correct me if I am wrong here but you seem to be saying that they are jumping from a scene that they wrote from S2E5 to a scene that they *might* have been saving for...let's say a retorical S2E22. And I can dig that.
But I beg to differ that they started out S2 as crap. So far, the only lackluster ep of S2 has been the the lactating Active - I guess there really was a reason why they switched the second & third episodes. The "nursing" active stank of season 1 stand-a-lone.
I think one of the reasons why the show became mired was that they had to defend themselves from rather legit complaints of sex slavery & prositution. Whedon trying to play ball with the detractors is what threw him off track. He should have just kept the story going and not try so hard to justify why these characters chose their path. Their motivations for joining the Dollhouse are inconsequential compared to the narrative of the show, IMO but saying such a thing seems heartless.
While the continued foreward momentum is doing wonders for the show, I can't help but think we are skimming over deeper questions of self-worth.
As for Adelle - although she came off very bad & more wicked than she ever has before - I hold out hope that she is just playing Rossum's game until she finds an opening to her own advantage that doesn't include her selling out her own crew.
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Such an abusive sheriff. Tsk tsk.
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Setting the season at "13 and out" may have focused everyone involved - much the way JJ and co. picked the finale date for Lost 2 years in advance. It has allowed Fox to step back and watch, and has allowed Joss to let'er rip. I am TRULY excited to see how this all plays out.
If Fox had half a brain (we know they do not) they would schedule a special showing of Epitaph One the week before airing Epitaph Two- or the day before, ala 24. -
That's all. What is an attic used for? Dead storage. It's the prep stage for creating a Doll- wipe their minds clean, as we've seen with Sierra, and in a retaliatory way, Mr. Dominick. I have a feeling it's just a metaphor. Wiped to a vegetative state, then left that way. As we've seen with Dominick, they will imprint Ballard with his "original self" when the time comes.
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"Writing, 101" by Media, Messiah?
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"You Should Never Kill A Good Villain. That's Writing 101."
EXACTLY! You need to keep the villain alive--that's whats worked so well with heroes... and why Dexter is such a good show? -
means that everything he knows about writing is currently coming from Legend of the Seeker. And they chickened out on killing their big bad at the end of season 1, by allowing the villain to come back from the underworld in season 2. So this is now gospel.
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...and Heroes is the same mesh-mash that Dollhouse has become. I am thinking more along the lines of Moriarty, from Sherlock Holmes, a good James Bond villain, or Dina from Legend of The Seeker, etc. You must give your hero a foe who is equal or superior to them, thus when they overcome them, that foe, you realize the great sacrifices the hero has made, and how very special he/she truly is. However, when you know that villain is still out there, somewhere, perhaps waiting to strike again, that is what is fun about such a open ended dynamic--and a little scary; as it opens up the possibilies for more adventures and conflicts between the two in the future, an opportunity to build on the relationship, and the mythology therein--the same as we saw with the progression between Star Wars: A New Hope and Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back. BTW, to be clear, it is a part of Writing 101, among other things, not the one...exclusive rule.
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Looks like you have forgotten? And look at what Joss was able to do with Spike, thanks to keeping him around? Spike ultimately seduced Buffy during her Season of Sex (Season 6, I think it was?). To me, Spike was ultimately Buffy's greatest love, not Angel, because he represented her greatest threat to overcome, both as a villain, and sexually/emotionally as a lover/boyfriend.
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They should do it like Professor Moriarty. Who was killed off in the same story he *first* appeared in or was mentioned in.
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That is just idiotic. From the moment he became a cripple in Season 2, he was never a decent foe. A decent character, yes. Anti-hero tendencies, sure. But Buffys greatest foe? You're out of your tiny mind.
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Sylar from heroes -- great first season villain, but by keeping him alive all this time, all that darkness and mystery and evil from season one is gone, and he has become a shell of his former evil self.Dexter: each season they have a new bad guy and each one is different, has depth, and are all kinds of evil--and dexter kills them every year (making each season have momentum and a buildup to a solid conclusion at the end)One of the great plot devices on 24: start out by making the viewer think they know the villain, and then at about 6-8 episodes in we learn that the villain whe thought we knew was actually not the real, big bad guy. BUFFY: there was NO big bad villain that lasted more than a season, and spike doesn't count because, most of the time, he was on buffy's side. he was also comic relief for the fans, and just an all around good actor, but you cannot call him buffy's biggest villain, just because thats how he started. I could go on and on
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...The First Evil from Buffy went through multiple seasons and did reference every other villain in the final season. But yeah, for the most part, Joss killed off his villains. But it is good to keep a good villain alive sometimes, when it works. Mostly if said villain is in the morally grey category like Adelle or Ben from Lost when you don't really know what side they are on yet.
As we have seen from Epitath One, Adelle eventually does refuse some stuff from the home office so she's not entirely evil but she is responsible for that future we saw. Oh and for the person that asked about Ballard being alive in Epitath One, they did show a "future/flashback" scene where he and Echo came into the house to lead people away so yes, he'll be fine. Whether or not he's alive b the time Felicia Day's crew is around, no one knows. But he is alive in the future of the Dollhouse. -
a good ten minutes of Meet Jane Doe was messed up - I caught a few glimpses of sequences, but missed the dialogue and most of the montage scene. I love the new Echo. Worried about Adele's descent, liked Oswalt's character. I'm looking forward to watching all these episodes in a marathon setting once the season 2 dvd comes out. To paraphrase Spike: I can't wait to see how it ends!
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Hit me while I was watching show, he would be very good in that part - seriously.
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In this attention-deficit society, apparently no show can be given the time it actually needs to get good anymore...anyone remember the immense suck that the first season of X-Files was? That show would never have made it if it was starting now, because some fucking ADD corporate executive with a Blackberry stuck in his ear would have canceled it after two episodes on his way to work because he didn't "get" the premise. Strangely enough, I have found the last four (two?) episodes hurried - mostly because it takes time to thoroughly set up pay-offs. You're right: 5 seasons worth of show development now coming at us rapid-fire...and less effective because of it. You fucking bastards who were all "Sigh...when is this show going to get good" make me ill...it was ALREADY good...and pacing itself to get to where it needed to go. Now it is being shoved down our throats...and you LIKE it?
Goddamn it anyway. Go back to your SG:U, which will probably get 47 seasons, and leave me to wallow in yet another dose of Whedon-show-getting-screwed-induced misery.
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If they had a guaranteed 5 season order, then I would agree with you that the slower better build up is preferable.
But this is Joss Whedon on FOX. It was lucky to get past episode 6. So it's not the massive sudden rushed plot which is pleasing, but rather the increased liklihood that we'll get a coherent ending, and a better understanding of what a 5 year arc for the show might have looked like. -
The show was always good. Take Joss Whedon's name out of the project, and all negative and positive connotations implied, and people would've been onboard with the show from the beginning. The stand-alone episodes in the first season weren't what was expected from a Whedon show, but after episode 6 aired, the show became exceptionally better; people where hailing Whedon's ability to turn the show around. But, like most things, people have a short memory span, and now, only remember when it was struggling and not for how great it had become. The same thing with season 2, the show was awesome BEFORE the news of the cancellation. The only weak episode in the 6 or 7 eps aired so far is the second one; ALL episodes this season have been great. Not good, but fucking great. Remember when everyone was saying the first episode was a good start to the season? I do. Two episodes later, they forgot all about that. The show is far from perfect, and far from being my favorite Whedon show, but as we've seen, it was getting somewhere interesting and entertaining.
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These episodes airing right now were written and filmed BEFORE the news of the cancellation. BEFORE! They didn't get the bad news until episode 8. So, people saying that he's rushing all these ideas and, just now, getting good because they have nothing to lose is bullshit. Before the start of the season, Whedon himself said they had found their creative stride, and had awesome episodes in store. The man didn't rush anything; we would be getting these episodes regardless...the only difference is, now, we WONT be getting anymore episodes in the future. After episode 8 (or so), that's where Whedon, most likely, will shove alot of things in to finish. I believe, this show will definietly find a bigger cult following, a la Firely, in the future. People will piss and moan about how they don't understand how such a smart, and witty show got cancelled. you heard it here first, People WILL discovere this show AFTER its gone. Just my two cents
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i know i've made it known how i come to dollhouse talkbacks for media messiah entertainment, but I don't bash dollhouse, because i REALLY want it to be good. I don't skip all non-MM posts--i read dollhouse comments up until it seems like someone will possibly spoil me--and lately it seems that people are both a) TALKING about dollhouse when a while ago there wasn't much discussion at all, and when there was, it was pretty negetive and b) i'm reading positive comments from talkbackers i trust. So, I really hope that there is a solid conclusion that won't make me angry about how much potential there was left to tell, and like it was just getting good and then cancelled without closure.I wish networks signed deals based on a predetermined runtime for a show that gauruntees a complete story with a real ending, be it 6 episodes, 12, 1, 2, 3 seasons, whatever, as long as i know there will be an end. i understand networks wanting to squeeze every penny they can off of a hit, but if all the potential viewers for a show KNOW it won't be cancelled, and all questions WILL be answered, i'd think that might get more people on-board... making a little bit longer movie-quality trailer could suck people in instead of the vague previews most shows get. Imagine how EPIC watchmen could have been as a 12 episode HBO show (maybe each episode 2 hours, like 'into the west' 'taken' 'band of brothers' etc.) Angels and Demons and Devinci code also would have made better mini-series, because with that extra time, they could have explored the historical stuff that made those books so fantastic... reading angels and demons (the book) felt like a more historically intelligent season of 24--it all takes place in a day and has the same feeling of momentum that 24 has.
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With the ratings as bad as they are, they had to know the writing was on the wall long before the news came down that the show was toast. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did indeed cram as much as they could into these episodes, so they could bring everything to a satisfying conclusion.
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true. But Whedon himself has said that during his Angel and Buffy runs, he alway's felt that cancellation was right around the corner. My point being, the man has always worked under pressure. So the episodes being what they were, would've came out just as awesome. I think. And another thing, Buffy and Angel season 1, respectively? Not that great. They were fun--pretty good. But nowhere near as awesome as later seasons. I think that same would've happened with Dollhouse. Look at how the writers were barely scratching the surface with the limited episodes and time they had. Imagine a full 22 episode season? Think of how great later seasons would've been. I don't know, woulda coulda shoulda. The show was always good, it just could'nt live up to the greatness of the later seasons of Angel and buffy. There's a pattern there. Again, just my two cents
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and on a DIFFERENT subject, yet still pretaining to Dollhouse: there was an earlier post above, by someone who said the storyline that's happening now should've been written in the middle of the first seaon, that Whedon waited too long. To that i say: really??? Without the stepping stones of the earlier episodes, THESE new episodes would'nt be anywhere near as effetive. I understand we all love payoff, but there has to be set up first. And technically...this IS the middle of the first season (kinda). Hear me out: There's 22 episodes in a regular television series, most of what's going on in the current storyline (especially the Alpha stuff) WOULD'VE BEEN airing in the middle of the first; the first season was only 12 eps, and most of the episodes written by studio interference. It would've been tighter, and just as fast paced as it is now. In total there's only going to be 22 episodes of the Dollhouse series. So far, it's ALOT better than MOST first seasons. A. LOT. Remember how negatively people preceived the later half of season 1 of Lost? Or Heroes? The difference? Dollhouse started with a whimper, and, PROGRESSIVELY, has built itself to go out with a bang. The 'bang' could've been avoided until much later, but that progression was there. Damn, I've got a lot to say...but i'll save it. LMAO sorry yo!
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I don't mind the 3 month jump. It makes it feel like we are ramping up the story for the final run. How cool would it be if the next 4 eps lead straight in to Epitaph 01, allowing epitaph 2 to round off the series?
I have nothing more to say to MM, except that comment you made earlier "unless...????" about the folks at Mutant Enemy PERHAPS LISTENING TO YOU(!!!!) was proper funny. Your delusions are now delusional. Well done. Thats kind of a record.
I thought Mr Dominic was back in these 2...guess that must be next week. And I'm guessing Victor-centric is on the way soon too...good times.
Dollhouse: Best show on TV right now. And to Buffwesting: yes, after seeing ep6 I knew this show could be this good too. Its all been there from the beginning.
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Ya see, all you have to do to get Joss in gear is to cancel his show; they did it in Season 1 and - shazam - we got Epitaph 1!
Season 2 is going down the tubes after the "we will air all episodes" foreshadow some months back. So, no surprise it's getting really good. Put that frantic creativity in a bottle, renew the show for Season 3 at the last possible moment (yes, I'm dreaming) and then cancel it again right after filming has started on the new episodes.
Welcome to the adrenaline-fueled school of writing!
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Call names all you like, but Spike is her most long running, and thus, greatest foe.
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...then why address me? I have not spoken to you, that I can even recall? Perhaps we have spoken via the net before, but I don't even recognize your sign on name, and yet you remember me? Just leave me alone, and don't speak to me ever again, and I will never address you again, that is, if I should even recall you name, hence, even making this statement?
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Dec 12, 2009 7:00:44 PM CST
Amended--TheGoldbergV: If You Have Nothing To Say To Me...
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...then why address me? I have not spoken to you, that I can even recall? Perhaps we have spoken via the net before, but I don't even recognize your sign on name, and yet, you remember me? Just leave me alone, and don't speak to me ever again, and I will never address you again--that is, if I should even recall your name, and hence, even making this statement...in the first place?
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...for several years--he only later turned sweet on her, and even then, he was a threat, even trying to rape her at one point, and being constantly tempted to drain Dawn of her blood.As far as Dexter, I haven't seen it, as I said before, but it seems to me that if another serial killer as smart as him...started hunting and menacing him, even kidnapping and torturing him for an arc of episodes, someone, who gets away, and outwits, and manuevers him, who lurks in the shadows; that would give Dexter much more of an edge, as the tables would be turned on Dexter. It would be cool if this villain would show-up every now and then, to keep him on his toes, and wondering, can he, or his foe, best each other? It would be interesting to see Dexter, scared, or worried? That recurring foe theme, in drama, is designed to test the protagonist's mettle, and that is the fun of it--not always knowing whether the hero will win, or on his terms, if he does, no matter how great, or, in Dexter's case, dark.
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Maybe not written by his original author...but filmmakers and television writers keep bringing him back to play prominent roles in Sherlock adventures. One of the main faints for a villain is to make the reader, or viewing audience think they are dead, and then, mysteriously they return and the hero learns that the villain somehow survived, and that adds to the mystic of the villain, and his genius.
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your description there about brining back a villain when they shoulda died reminds me of Murdock on MacGyver. he always got "killed" only to return later on, i loved that guy. lol
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Dec 12, 2009 8:39:24 PM CST
Still has it's hiccups here and there, but constantly entertaini
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As I don't know much about television writing in theory or practice, but it does seem sometimes that it's a watering down the kool-aid process... Adding fluff/water to the mix just enough to keep the flavor but to stretch the ingredients further. With a deadline, and no further seasons to support, we don't have the extranious woolgathering b.s. that bogged down earlier episodes. It must be a balancing act. To keep something going, yet give a sense that a real narrative progress is being made and some goal is being approached.
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Media Messiah, you really don't mind talking about things you have no clue about... its hilarious... i gave up trying to convince you that CONFLICT is the heart of a story, and frequently conflict has no villain... that is writing 101, anyone who has taken writing classes post-highschool knows this, and a combination of both your ignorance, faulty logic, selective memory, selective reading, selective examplers, making faulty points--calling them writing 101, and ego is what makes you so funny.You hit me with a meaningless list of movies with villains, denying the TRUTH that conflict, not villains--as if that proved something... i'm not going to bother making a list of shows, movies and books that have an ongoing villain, because everyone here knows you are clueless and you aren't worth the time i spent writing this.
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yes, spike was a menace, HOWEVER, i ask you: how many episodes had spike the PRIMARY villain buffy fought against? not many. there was almost always a threat to buffy over the span of the show where spike was in it. and the rape wasn't premeditative evil--it was spike's love for buffy that buffy herself was partly to blame by misleading him and using him and leading him on.
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Media Messiah: you're telling me killing a villain and bringing them back is great writing??? There isn't much that viewers/readers hate more than the old, tired and uninspired convention of killing big characters and bringing them back... more often than not, it cheapens the drama, destroys the significance of the death, the writers lose credibility, the viewers/readers don't trust the writer, and the emotion they felt as a result of the death was for nothing.I'd bet my left nut that if there wasn't a sherlock holmes movie about to come out, no chance you would have used it as an example.
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I don't understand you, Media Messiah: you do your whole 'amended' thing, yet TIME AND TIME AGAIN
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I don't understand you, Media Messiah: you do your whole 'amended' thing, yet TIME AND TIME AGAIN you baffle me with your rediculous misuse of question marks
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On "Wild, Wild West" they had a number of villains that one might assume were killed in climatic confrontations with the heroes, but often you never saw a body, and both the audience and the heroes couldn't be completely sure if the bad guys were dead...and that was pretty cool, especially when they would return, and the same thing would eventually happen again. It always kept the audience guessing: What's next? Is the villain alive or dead? Is our hero still in danger? That is the fun of a stronge recurring villain.
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...the ironies in my argument, or that of others who are arguing against my points of view--this, as I have explained in the past... when asked this very same question. They, these punctuations, are not always placed as question marks, for a sentence in formal respect, they are there to highlight peculiar things, and actions, that mark our discussions, ones that I am pointing you, the reader, to. Upon those occasions, I am specifically asking you to think about a certain issue, or issues--via using question marks as shorthand, to evoke such a response.
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I am not talking about killing a villain--I am talking about leaving the assumption that the villain is in fact dead...with only circumstantial proof. It becomes an open ended question at that point. You are never quite sure if that villain is dead, or not, and yes--that is good, if not great writing, if executed properly, as with all forms of writing.
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...comes from a protagonist, or antagonist, either literally, or figuratively, something that I have said all along--however, you can't have a successful action series with an antagonist, constantly being presented as metaphor, it just won't work, and didn't work...with Dollhouse, that is why fans of the show are now praising the new direction of the show as of the last handful of episodes, in which confrontations between literal protagonists and antagonists are expressed openly, as opposed to last season's figurative, metaphorical...villains. I called it all along--I was right, and I am...right!!!
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...comes from a protagonist, or antagonist, either literally, or figuratively, something that I have said all along--however, you can't have a successful action series with an antagonist constantly being presented as metaphor. It just won't work, and didn't work, with Dollhouse...that is why fans of the show are now praising the new direction of the show as of the last handful of episodes, in which confrontations between literal protagonists and antagonists are openly expressed, as opposed to last season's figurative, metaphorical...villains.
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So many things from these episodes were clearly meant to be season long (or have season long) arcs.
Echo and Ballard living together while he trains her in how to control her "powers" so they can re-infiltrate the DH.
Echo, Ballard, and Boyd re-infiltrate the Dollhouse and Adele suspects them.
Adele is demoted and Lundy is put in charge.
Echo's previous romantic engagements start to be killed.
Last week, all the cramming worked. This week, I think it hurt Ballard's eventual wipe, as we didn't see the bulk of the development of his relationship with Echo, so his wipe had minimal emotional impact.
My favorite part was Echo's conversation with PO where she said, "You don't get past it. It just...becomes a part of who you are." We're all dolls who are imprinted differently in every situation, and we can never escape the imprints, just learn to navigate them. In other words, your brain is full of Echoes of past experiences. That's the true metaphor of DH. -
The parenthetical should read "or half season long."
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yes, story needs an antagonist -- but that does not mean villain. antagonist can mean mental illness... antagonist can even be a good person in someones life--like a mother who pushes her son to write and instills the work ethic that a writer must have to be a success, but her son, against her wishes, becomes a lawyer because that is what he wanted to do with his life--the mom creates conflict, but is not a bad person.please stop celebrating when you declare how you were right...
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from twitter: "Never been in a cast before- its warm. Will hide under wardrobe. I can still hold my shotgun/save the world ;) "
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yeah, I agree. I definitely wanted to see the thing with Echo's personality and her relationship with Ballard taking more time to develop. The thing is, though, if the show went into a third season, trotting out Alpha as a climax would have eventually gotten tired. I think he works as a season Big Bad, but not necessarily multi-season. Or at least they would have to change his mo, motivations, and ways of playing the game. Maybe he could actually team up against Rossum. In fact, given the broader canvas with the Rossum corporation, I'm surprised Alpha has only focused on Echo and the LA Dollhouse. With only 4 (5?) eps left, I really hope they'll return to the Bennett storyline. As much as I love Alan Tudyk, I'm not sure we need more Alpha for the plot resolution.
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for the two-parter, they said that they were bringing her back for more epiodes, so I think will be seeing her again.
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a key factor in the resistance.
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Echo is the Resistance 2.0. Alpha's evolution helped him create the technology that eased Echo's evolution, making her a better version of Alpha. Why do you think Alpha was the S1 Big Bad? He set up the entire series.
I don't imagine Alpha would have ever been another season's Big Bad. I think the Perin reveal and story would have been the end of S2. Then the first half (or all) of S3 would have been Echo and Ballard on the run (and Adele demoted) culminating with Alpha mind wiping Ballard. The next four episodes will be S4/S5. Episode 13 will be the series finale (obviously).
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I have been stating that, and agreeing with you all along, when I used the words literal and figurative, the latter of which serves to agree with your views, to a point--the split comes in the form of the fore. Just so you know, when I am celebrating, it is not at your expense, I am celebrating that I made a proper observation about the direction this series should have been going in from the beginning, and it feels like a bit of vindication...seeing the show now travel in that direction, and the amped-up praise by the fans, as a result? You'll note, many people criticized me for suggesting these points of ephasis. As you said, a Mom can be an antagonist, not as a villain, but as someone who causes her son to rise to a challenge, and yes, that would work for a movie, but for an ongoing TV series, or movies, or series of books, for them to be as strongly effective as they can be, within drama, you need the next progression of anatagonist to appear in that story. So yes, a mom challenges her son, much like the role Uncle Owen played for Luke in Star Wars is an antagonist of sorts, but look at how more rich the story got when Luke was given the next level of antagonist, that being Darth Vader, delivering a classic villain vs. hero dynamic while, ironically, Vader turned-out to be a challenging parent, forcing his son to excel in life?
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the only kind of celebration that has a place on a talkback is celebrating how awesome an episode is or show is. This isn't a competition, media messiah. this isn't a place to prove you have what it takes to be a writer, media messiah. If you want to be taken seriously (because you don't seem to realize everyone here is laughing at you most of the time) you need to improve your selective memory: you ignored my point that mental illness can be an antagonist, which doesn't fit with your concept that an antagonist must be personified
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also, MM, its really a shame that you spend sooooo much time on these talkbacks, yet you are so intent on proving yourself and attempting to teach us stuff, you don't realize that you could actually LEARN SOME THINGS if you weren't so damn stubborn and obsessed with proving yourself, which gets you NOTHING at the end of the day, and days, and weeks, and years.
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...as you suggested, look at the movie Beautiful Mind? Still, that is fine for a select story, but if you are going to have an ongoing series, you should have a personified foe, if only in the mind, it should still manifest its consequences in the real world, ala Fight Club. Although the latter is not a series, I offer it up as a successful example of that. PS: I am not trying to teach you anything, you seem like a fine person to me, and very intellligent, however, I started this debate over a year ago hoping to get the makers of the show to change course before it was too late. I saw the flaws in the show, and I hoped to get them to fill those flaws. Along the way I was attacked by many here...who were certain I was just wrong, hence my response to the contrary. It was not my intention to be insulting, I was just defending my view.
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I agree. I like debating people, as debate leads to new understandings. Of the last year, I have been nursing a horribly broken heart, so being on the net is a good, although, fruitless, destraction for me--and that is a shame, I know--but it is, what it is. However, it serves to keep my mind...thinking, and focused, on other things. Writing stories and scripts use to do that for me, now...I am just not in the mood to write in long form. People...and their actions can sometimes stun you into numbness, and there is nothing like giving your all to help someone in your personal life, and then have them throw you under the bus, without so much as a thank you for your sincere efforts on their behalf. That is numbing, and surprising? As James Cameron said recently--something similar to an observation that I made a year ago; "Women that you are involved with have a way of becoming your
greatest teachers, and you, them",
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...or are you just on here to post psuedo-intellectual banter as a means of applying salve to your wounds?
I've avoided addressing you so far because I find you pedantic and redudant, but now I'm fed up with you turning every talkback into a soliloquy about your burdens and aspirations. And don't try the "I don't make it about me, other posters do" rhetorical defense. You repeat the same points, baiting the same posters into arguments, and then scan their responses for any excuse to interject a smidgen about your personal life. Please ask your therapist for a better method of coping because I'm (not) sorry no one gives a crap about you IRL. LOL. LMAO. ROFLCOPTER. OMGWTFPOLARBEAR. GGNT. -
But his education is neither deep nor wide. His physical neurological problems make self-analysis difficult and social integration even more difficult. He has left a succession of broken friendships/relationships behind him, and lacks any real understanding of why this is, though doubtless has many ego-salving theories.
The areas which he takes an interest in, he can take obsessive interest in (almost OCD) but he lacks the relevant filters to correctly judge the merit of his inputs, just as he lacks the societal filters to correctly gauge his actions. Which is one reason he substitutes presence here for actual activity in the real world designed to further the acquisition of his goals.
He doesn't have a therapist (in the sense that you understand the word) and he tells himself that this is because he a)can't afford it b)it's a waste of time anyway c)he's a strong independent kind of guy.
He is still very religious, though probably has questioned his faith more than once because of troubles in his life. There's a small chance that he incorporates divination into his religious beliefs. (That is using methods not too disimilar to the iChing, to try to get God to reveal his wishes to him. Like "If I toss 3 heads in a row, it means..." That sort of thing.)
Probable high-school drop-out. Never graduated college. Sees this as a positive thing.
May have been adopted. May not know this.
Has a deep seated but not pervasive sense of paranoia. His attempts to recognise ordered patterns in chaos and ascribe meaning to them, are symptomatic of borderline schziophrenic fractures. If (as I suspect) he has moments of blinding rage with triggering events, then symptoms include possible psychotic break in future with the aftermath most likely leading to self-harm through religious guilt. Could be avoided if he blamed outburst on something like demonic possession, but only at the expense of what's left of his sanity. -
Your lack of empathy for others is a sign of your own personal failings.
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If that is your measuring stick for said issues, then...how do you explain Gates? No, I am not religious, however I am a spiritual person, and with reason. Howard Stern, a billionaire, or there abouts, has OCD as he has admitted...and yet, he is doing quite well. Lastly, I noticed that you never analyzed the points of story structure that I made about the show, points that are fully in-line with, and not wavering from, one of the greatest literary authorities in the world, regarding proper story structure, that being the late Joseph Campbell, and unless you are prepared to claim that he was mentally ill, then your argument is hollow.
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the points that are made to you. I'm returning the favour.
Your comments about Bill Gates and Howard Stern are utterly irrelevant since I neither said nor implied that OCD or being a college dropout were any indicators of success, wealth, stability, fame or fortune.
I was merely answering a question about whether or not you were a troll, or an intelligent person, or using pseudo-intellectualism to give yourself rational distance from recent emotional trauma.
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...because if one has a cogent argument to negate your views, you simply prefer to insist that you are right to the exemption of all other possibilities.
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As you have done these many many many weeks?
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The record of my posts stands as affirmation against such falsehoods.
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Posting a response is not dealing with points raised. I'm not the only person to have wasted time pointing stuff out to you, only to have you studiously ignore it.
To pick one completely random example... You accused us of only posting on Dollhouse talkbacks once. (Amidst one of your multiple paranoid accusations.) I gave you a simple way to check if this was true using Google, and interestingly turned up that I'd posted in more non-Dollhouse talkbacks than you, funnily enough. Did you ever address it, or retract your idiotic accusations? No sir, you did not.
Shall I waste my time listing every single point you've chosen to ignore? No sir, I will not.
As you say, the record speaks for itself and google is your friend when it comes to tracking down that sort of thing. (Like when I asked a fellow talkbacker for the link where you claimed Spielbergs neice was saved from an aliens kidnapping by the virgin mary... and he provided the link.)
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Questioning one's humanity...based upon their views of the story structure of a TV show is bewildering and mean-spirited. I cursed no one, I have slandered no one, and yet, I was, and continue to be...assailed by others in dehumanizing ways? Fair debate should be championed in any forum, not discouraged and shunned. Again, I have never assailed anyone here and questioned their humanity, their personage, based on their strict views on this series, or any other...but when one assails, and slanders me with vulgar charges and name calling, solely for expressing a differing point of view--a view...merely suggesting change...as a positive, that is simply over-the-top hyperbole that is unacceptable, and I do, and will, continue to defend myself on that basis. If one acts in an inhuman...or insincere manner toward me, by forwarding false assertions that distort my good character, I will act to defend my character...and expose the underside of those who are less scrupled. I am a moral man, to a point, but you mistaken my intellectual...and emotional kindness, for weakness. To quote David Letterman, "You came to this intellectual Vietnam...unarmed!"
Mr Whedon, numerous critics pro and con of Dollhouse, the network, and the majority of fans of the show, as well as fans of Whedon's past works, many--who are one in the same, have suggested that the series needed fixing--views that are parallel to mine own, thus, I am on firm ground. -
1) No one is questioning your humanity. (Unless you have in the past claimed to be one of the Venusian ambassadors who spoke at the UN)
2) Another example of how you wilfully either misunderstand or fail to read the posts addressed to you. The majority of posts you found offensive or which you claimed were attacking you personally, had NOTHING to do with your opinions on the show.
The ones which actually took an opposing view to you based on your (frankly silly) observations on the show, dealt with them pretty straight-forwardly. Whether it was pointing out why the Alias reboot was a bad idea, wouldn't work, or pointing out that your most recent revelation about the shows purpose had actually been talked about for AGES in talkbacks and online...
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I did not say it, I quoted a guest on the George Noory show...Coast To Coast Live as stating that. You may, or may not, be aware of a famous quote that President Ronald Reagan said to Spielberg after viewing a special screening of E.T. at the White House. He said to Spielberg, quote, "You do not know how close you came to the truth", unquote. So yes, when I quoted the guest who spoke about Spielberg's niece on the radio show, I had good reason to forward the comment, based upon Reagan's comment. Now, Reagan's son...Michael Reagan, a conservative media talkshow host, directly spoke to Noory (an Emmy award winning news producer and a former military officer) on his show, they are friends...and it is recorded, so you can verify this fact. According to him, and he said this about 2 to 3 years ago, "My father saw a UFO...while on his California Ranch."...of course, I am paraphasing him from memory, but that is what he said. Both Reagan's are well connected men...and respected, and no one is calling either crazy or liars, and Spielberg has never denied the older Reagan's quote--a man who was the sitting President at the time, a former Governor of California, and a former member of the U.S. military. I invite you to call any of those men crazy, or insane, if you wish to. Further, it makes you questionable to call me crazy for quoting them, men who, unlike you or me, would have direct access to above top secret information.Lastly, about Mother Mary, it is a 50/50 chance that God is real, or that those who have faith in Him are wrong. Now, if they are wrong, me being among them, no harm no foul...we all die, end of story...and eternal darkness for all--but if they/we...are right, then you had better start looking up...and trying to find a greater meaning for life than just damning people for not agreeing with you over some TV series.
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I never claimed to be an ambassador, or from Venus. Your lack of integrity...and candor, as shown by your efforts to intentionally misquote me, is fully evident.
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or just wilfully misunderstand to make strawman arguments. I never said you were a Venusian ambassador.
Follow the conversation, will you?
"You question my *humanity*"
"No one is questioning it, *unless* *you* claimed weren't human." (Last part being obvious joke, plus tie in to your previous posts about men from Venus)
You come back with "I never said I was from Venus, and you're wrong to say I did".
Good grief man, it's no wonder you always get into cul-de-sacs of reason. You can't follow simple linear progression in a conversation. -
With respect to the aforementioned story, a man made such a claim, as I mentioned...but I made no advocacy of said claim, pro or con--something you conveniently, and intentionally, failed to mention? That said, however, I did point out, that the Russians launched a probe to Venus some years ago, the curious thing about said probe, is that it returned startling pictures of the surface of Venus. The problem? According to world scientists, Venus is so hot that such a probe would have, and should have, burned-up well before entering the atmosphere of Venus, a fixed and hard scientific fact according to the rules of science that are being sold to the media and the public at large, and well before it, the probe, being able to take said photos, and yet, the photos exist? My argument is simply this: Why would NASA, the Russians, and all major scientific space exploration-centric agencies willfully lie about the temperatures of Venus? What would be their point in misleading the populace and the media? The authenticity of the photos is not in question, so what is the reason for concealment here? It is not crazy or insane to ask a quite logical question amid the sight of a white elephant in the room...that no one, especially in the intellectual, political and scientific communities, seems to want to address? The first rule of pattern recognition: If something doesn't make sense in the face of otherwise brilliant people, and no one is saying anything to acknowledge it, then clearly, something is afoot, and you are simply out of the loop.
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I've read the post you made about Spielbergs neice. You relay it as *factual*, not a quote from someone else. As such, it is ripe for mockery.
I read your ramblings on Venus before too. Again, you keep using words like "proof" with NO understanding of what that means.
This goes back to my analysis of you earlier "he lacks the relevant filters to correctly judge the merit of his inputs"
Many probes have been sent to venus. The surface temperature is known. The physical properties are known. We can "look" through the clouds by bouncing radar off it. We can do spectroscopic analysis of the planet.
In other words, the evidence is huge and compelling that there's nothing approaching the lush verdant jungles you previously claimed were on the surface.
Instead, you fill your post with inaccurate misinformation. Let's list them, shall we?
(1) The Russian probe "returned startling pictures of the surface of Venus." In what way? We've had photos of venus for years. Why were these "startling" ?
2) "According to world scientists, Venus is so hot that such a probe would have, and should have, burned-up well before entering the atmosphere of Venus"
Not true. Not only do you not cite any reference for this, but many previous probes have been sent to Venus (the first one landed in 1963) and at this stage we can get the "survival" time of the probe *on the surface* to be in the region of 120 minutes!
It is CRAZY and INSANE to believe some crock of shit websites, which have easily checkable lies on them. And then wonder why the mainstream isn't dealing with your bullshit questions.
You're like the guy who asks Nasa why they aren't sending back pictures of Heaven, since God lives in the clouds.
And your rule of pattern recognition? Take a look at the movie "A beautiful mind" about Professor Nash. Crazy people can see patterns where none exist. It's *TEXTBOOK*.
As I said above, "His attempts to recognise ordered patterns in chaos and ascribe meaning to them, are symptomatic of borderline schziophrenic fractures" -
What we know as truth, and the veracity of that truth, is often only in control of The Powers That Be, much like how we still, as a nation (America), celebrate Columbus Day to honor Christopher Columbus for discovering America, when the real truth is completely counter to that. Still, the false holiday goes on, a federal holiday, at that, and no one dares say a thing, not in goverment, or the major media?Alas, the same may be true in regard to the paradigm of science, and that which is really real, and what they, our goverments, choose to tell us, as fact, when selling us, fiction in its place. Truth, often being stranger...than fiction.
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Schools, including top universities, are still teaching our children lies about Columbus, and hence, a major part of our history--so why not lie about scientific knowledge when it comes to space exploration, when even educational institutions, and the teachers, and other educators that work for them...refuse to call-out said lies in the textbooks and curriculums which they use to teach our children, our young adults, and to inform our culture as a whole? Oh, and...Jesus was born in April, or September, not December, or on the 25th, but the lies go on, and the holidays continue as they are...and no one in power, nor the major media, or the masses of any import...dares stand-up and say, "Stop the lies!". So, with that climate in place, one of conformity over truth, it is easy to say, "You can't send a craft to Venus, one that can successfully enter its atmosphere without burning-up", yet, we have the photos, taken within the atmosphere of that very planet, that prove otherwise?
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I JUST TOLD YOU... *NO* *ONE* CLAIMED THAT YOU COULDN'T GET TO VENUS WITHOUT BURNING UP IN THE ATMOSPHERE!
NO ONE CLAIMED THIS!!!!!
We've landed craft there since 1963!!!
Who the fuck are you arguing against? Which "voices of conformity" are telling you ""You can't send a craft to Venus, one that can successfully enter its atmosphere without burning-up" ????
SERIOUSLY?
CAN YOU READ PLAIN ENGLISH? OR ARE YOU FOREVER TILTING AT STRAWMAN ARGUMENTS?
God damn it, I'd burst a blood vessel if I had to deal with your bullshit. Fortunately, I can turn the screen off. -
Now, who is sick here...again? Thank you for helping me to prove my point. I just let you hang yourself. Kisses.
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Please ignore obvious trolls from now on. They only distract you and detract from the overall discussion and debate. I will say nothing more on the issue. Thank you.
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he's the most successful troll I've ever seen because his nuttiness isn't like JetL93 (claiming to have worked on 95% of every movie ever made) or like a spamming troll.
His idiocy is so superficially nonsensical and trivial, that you feel a simple correction is in order. So you post one. And then he has you.
He slowly drags you in, with nonsequiters, ad hominems, deliberate misunderstandings and pulling facts from his ass.
You lay out points carefully, and he doesn't read them, but will respond to a typo. Or he'll single out a word or phrase and focus on that while ignoring the points you raised. And all the while your frustration levels build.
So if he is a troll, it's a performance that raises regular trollish behaviour to an art form. -
These last four hours of the Dollhouse have been great. I've been watching from the beginning and I knew Joss was building something great. Unfortunately the ratings were not there and I was resigned to the fact of the cancellation. But now that we are seeing where the show was going to go and that it's so good, I'm a bit upset. I'm upset that we don't get the see what would have been an epic relationship between Echo and Ballard. I'm upset that I will not get to see Adele undermine the leadership of the Dollhouse. I don't know, this just sucks.
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1) MM is on the internet too much. His references are from unverifiable intent sources. He needs to READ BOOKS.
2) He refuses to admit he could be wrong about anything
3) He doesn't know what it takes to be a writer. what MM says about what is wrong with his life, in attempt to get sympathy, is like a family trip to disneyland compared to my history with schizophrenia and recovery from it.
4)he refuses to learn from others on these talkbacks.
5)he blames his life on why he has not been able to write for a year. EVERY writer has problems, huge problems like mine. I took three months off after being released from the psych ward and went right back to school (english-creative writing) before being fully recovered and graduated with a 3.0, basically done while i was insane.
6) He bases his writing theories on short internet articles when he should be reading about craft.
7) too much of his studying comes from television and movies, with only the obvious, freshman level, writers about craft (Campbell, Art of fiction) yet has no understanding about what his in those books, cover to cover. (he would have found in BOTH of those books the concept he refused to accept: conflict comes from man vs. man man vs. self man vs. nature man vs. machine man vs. society, ALL of which are explored in depth in t hose books he claims to have read.
8) a shamelessly selective memory and only responds to parts of posts, never the full posts, which make up the argument... there's plenty more, too. -
He's an extremely clever(and clearly intelligent) troll, but he's still a troll.
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for ep 9 & 10. Ep 9 'Stop Loss' is Victor-centric & it looks like Joss is once again taking advantage of the fact that one of his male leads has a twin brother! Dude, is it Friday yet??
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Really enjoyed those last two episodes. But slow story telling doesn't cut it anymore. If people no longer have the patience to wait for a possible payoff, then TV writers need to adapt to that new reality and push things along more quickly.
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