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The Trades Have Their Reviews Up For James Cameron’s AVATAR!!
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The first non-documentary directorial effort since 1997 from the great James Cameron (“The Terminator,” “Terminator 2,” “Aliens,” “The Abyss,” “True Lies,” “Titanic”), “Avatar” won raves Thursday from both Hollywood film industry dailies.
The Hollywood Reporter says:
A dozen years later, James Cameron has proven his point: He is king of the world. … he brings science-fiction movies into the 21st century with the jaw-dropping wonder that is "Avatar." … The movie is 161 minutes and flies by in a rush. Repeat business? You bet. …
Variety says:
The King of the World sets his sights on creating another world entirely in "Avatar," and it's very much a place worth visiting. … Cameron delivers again with a film of universal appeal that just about everyone who ever goes to the movies will need to see. …
It arrives in Belgium, Egypt and France Dec. 16. Americans get it Dec. 18. There may be a line.
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See you on Pandora!
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am i?
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Fail!
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"I told you, you silly whores."
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Eat your crow and make sure your eyes grab their ankles...
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I thought of that line first damnit
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it has become self aware
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I was admittedly underwhelmed by the trailer but kept an open mind about it, knowing Cameron's resume. I'm glad to see it's paid off.
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And its the greatest movie of all all time... Second only to The Dark Knight!
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Reading the trades there, finally brings it home -- the fabled Avatar moviefilm actually exists outside of the internet and is coming to a cinema near me soon.
Howsaboutsthat.
Here's to you, multiple-year's lived of hyperbole.
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...badmouthing Cameron (basically anybody who said "Thundersmurf", "Dances with Ferngully" or "this looks like a video game") on this talk back are about to have their idiotic cynical asses handed over to them when the movie hits $1 billion worldwide (which, according to Variety, it should).
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Dec 11, 2009 2:08:22 AM CST
TOOK YOU FUCKING LONG ENOUGH AICN!!! LET BATTLE COMMENCE!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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According to Hitfix, Avatar is now a major contender to win Best Picture of the year.
http://tinyurl.com/y9q8zpb
I am curious if this will shut the haters up, or will they still keep bitching when Battle Angel or Avatar 2 comes out in 2012.
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Looks like you can take your 'thundercats' meme and shove it right up your puckered little asses.
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James Cameron is clearly the man to make the the live version of the Thundercats... Fuck, I wish it were so!
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"I went to a Magnolia Pictures holiday party just after tonight's 7 pm Avatar screening exited, and then the damn wireless wasn't working for about 30 minutes when I finally got home. The upshot is that I'm too whipped -- it's 12:35 am -- to evaluate the ins and outs of this amazing film, but I'll tell you right now there are very few outs. It's half CG, half live action and it jumps back and forth so the dreaded sensation of being swallowed by a cartoon never happens. Avatar is a hybrid thing and a wild one at that."
All the energy and the madness and the money are right there on the screen, you bet, and the "yeah, I guess I'll see Avatar but I'm in no real hurry" phase is over. This is too much of an adrenalized eye-popper not to see it as soon as possible, and absolutely in 3D and most desirably in 3D IMAX. (Believe it or not, 20th Century Fox showed it to the creme de la creme of New York journalists in a regular non-IMAX theatre this evening, although the 3D quality was perfectly fine.)
This is probably the goofiest, craziest, super-budgeted CG romper-stomper I've ever seen. A friend said it was three video games rolled into one instead of a movie, which is somewhat true in that the story and action-fantasy elements are aimed at your inner 14 year-old (whom I'd forgotten about until tonight -- now I feel pleasantly re-acquainted).
You can't say Avatar doesn't impart a feeling of delirious abandon and wild-ass splendor. You could call it a kind of visual opera -- a forest-primeval symphonic naturalist hard-on movie that technically knocks you flat, coheres emotionally, isn't afraid to be silly or simplistic, delivers visual CG wonder like nothing I've ever seen before (really) and pays off like a gotterdammerung Apocalypse Now meets Tarzan meets the best-special-effects-flick-you've-ever-seen insanity ride. The two and a half hours just fly by, and the last 30 minutes alone -- a truly nutty extended battle sequence -- are worth the price.
I was in fact open-mouthed -- faintly grinning but pretty much agog -- during the big-ass finale. As Bruno Ganz's Adolf Hitler said in that YouTube satire, the 3D is so good it's like your eyeballs are having sex. The only problem (which wasn't a problem for me) is that it's aimed at teenagers. I was wishing, in fact, that I could somehow revert to age 14 or 15 so I could see Avatar in the proper frame -- then I'd really have something to do double-backflips over. I'm a little older than that, unfortunately, so instead of sending me into wet-dream action heaven Avatar gave me the wet-dream action heaven giggles, as if I'd toked up before it started.
I've seen and heard all the stuff that Avatar dishes out many times before -- in Dances With Wolves and A Man Called Horse, for openers -- but it's thrown together with such punch and frenzy that it's like Cameron somehow managed to time-machine himself back to his own mid teens in order to make it. This is one surging rush of a 3-D flying banshee jungle flick, and at the same time a respect-the-earth, Bush and Cheney-condemning political movie. They should be showing this to the climate change gang in Copenhagen.
That's it, I'm finished...I'll write more tomorrow morning.
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where's the rest?
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Dec 11, 2009 2:10:56 AM CST
first reaction from empire magazine in the UK (5 out of 5 stars)
by colonel_blimp
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/review.asp?FID=133552
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One critic called it, Dancing With Smurfs!
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armando done went and hyperbole bombed this talkback to the point of no return with that post.
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...from all the fanboy jizz in the theaters after watching Avatar! I can't wait to see it in IMAX 3D!
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Not that I mind... >_<
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You were "just kidding". Thank god.
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THEY WILL POST IT~!
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Dec 11, 2009 2:20:32 AM CST
starwarrior, I ACTUALLY COINED "THUNDERSMURF" ALONG WITH.....
by tehcreepythinman
AVATAR - FUCKING YOUR EYEBALLS IN 2009. I was disappointed with the first trailer but the second, along with the featurette's, sold me on Avatar. I've been cautiously optimistic but the advance reviews, I have to say, are getting me excited. Not Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis eating each other out in a 69 in Black Swan excited but, excited none the less....
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are hardly a suprise, this is Cameron we are talking about and it still baffles me how so few people had any faith in this picture.
This is a big fuck you to the haters (once again), this place will probably go into meltdown now lol. -
Dec 11, 2009 2:23:40 AM CST
jerry91748, FUCK NUKETHEFRIDGE, RIGHT WING ASSWIPES!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Dec 11, 2009 2:27:48 AM CST
jerry91748, I HAVEN'T POSTED AT THAT SHITHOLE IN ALMOST A YEAR!!
by tehcreepythinman
I stopped when I realized how fucking boring the site was and how right wing their regulars were.
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No more money to the Fascist Warming Culties.
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Ah, just going to put my feet up and enjoy the show...
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and you're going to get banned from this site in 3,2,1...
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Dec 11, 2009 2:34:55 AM CST
As a CGI artist, I have to say this is as good as it gets
by chuck_chuckwalla
But no CGI movie will ever beat some of the older classics for the sheer visceral impact they made on me. Time will tell if this will be up on my Alien/Jaws/Star Wars/Raiders section of the shelf.
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Can't wait this will be awesome!!
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YOU FUCKING USELESS CUNTS!?
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Let the REAL debates begin!
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SHIT DEVIN FROM CHUD LOVED IT!
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Is that you go outside, shout at the world "I'M A L'IL BITCH" and then run face-first into a wall.
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"From London to Los Angeles, the first screenings of James Cameron's long awaited Sci-Fi opus "Avatar" had many pundits, critics and journalists eating crow. In fact, some of us should be so stuffed we can't speak. Not only is the film anything but a cheesy disaster, it is instead a stunning spectacle that should become a monster hit and a legit Best Picture contender.
That's right, you just saw the words "legit Best Picture contender" associated with a film this writer was seriously unimpressed with after seeing 20 plus minutes at Comic-Con this past summer. Needless to say, the whole epic adventure -- all 2 hours and 25 minutes of it -- is a filmmaking achievement that will be hard for the Academy to ignore. It's not only in for Best Picture, but it should pit Cameron against his ex-wife, "The Hurt Locker's" Kathryn Bigelow, for Best Director (can you hear Baldwin's jokes now?). Many in the industry are rooting for Bigelow to be the first female director winner in Oscar history, but Cameron's work here should make it an incredibly close race.
In terms of other categories, look for "Avatar" to land nominations in Best Original Score (James Horner), Best Editing, both Sound Editing and Mixing, Best Art Direction and possibly even Best Cinematography. And, duh, best Visual Effects are a lock you can take to Vegas -- this is a film whose CG work will leave George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson dumbstruck. On the other hand, the one area that is hard to imagine any nominations are the acting categories. Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana give perhaps two of the most impressive motion capture performances in the early history of the medium, but with such competitive leading actor and supporting actress categories already, it's hard to see the Academy taking that leap this year.
The big question though is whether "Avatar" can win Best Picture. Let's be frank. "Avatar" is still a quintessential Cameron film. It's a tad too long, there are bad bits of dialogue (nowhere near as cringe inducing as "Titanic") and the villains are of the Billy Zane variety. But amazingly, the romance and relationship between Worthington and Saldana's alien characters is much more believable than the "my heart will go on" shotgun wedding of Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslett's duo in "Titanic." And again, there are moments in this movie that just absolutely astound in their breathtaking beauty and scope. It's hard to believe it's even CG at times.
Then again, at this point you still have to call "Up in the Air" the front runner. However, the excellent dramedy is such a small, small film compared to "Avatar" (not that there is anything wrong with that either). As time marches on and "Avatar's" global box office grows, can Jason Reitman's little flick withstand what could be a major theatrical phenomenon?"
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Dec 11, 2009 2:43:27 AM CST
jerry91748, YOU FORGOT THE SCORCHED-PLANET, SUPERHERO HYPE, JOBL
by tehcreepythinman
Fangoria, Rue-Morgue, Bloody-Disgusting, Total Film, Empire, the IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes and a few others I can't recall at the moment.
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The Avatar TB shitstorm. The thought of all those who prejudged this film and were adamant it was shit without even seeing it, now frothing with impotent rage behind their keyboards warms my heart.
Silly irrational hate-filled bastards.
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Dec 11, 2009 2:44:05 AM CST
D o o d. That sounds just like the daily mail.
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Am I right?
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"...despite all the advances and groundwork laid, we might be not quite ready to see two CG characters effectively dry-hump each other. That’s just wrong..."But not for all the fanboys here who rub it off to that Japanese anime stuff!
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Dec 11, 2009 2:46:06 AM CST
TheUmpireStrokesBach, THIS WILL BE NOTHING, WAIT TILL POST RELEA
by tehcreepythinman
Then the fun will truly fucking begin!
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It's the sounds of Haters, slinking into their dark caves to whine and mope and mutter under their breaths...
I can setill hear faint echoes - there on the wind... "yea, but Titanic still sucks!" -
Should start with this headline: "Your Eyeballs Will Be Gangbanged!!!"Well, my faith has been restored in this film. The Behind the scenes featurette got me a few days ago.
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Their tears... they sustain me. Make me strong.
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at least over here
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The Avatar version of Trekkies, Browncoats, etc.
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...in preparation.
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Then steel yourself - you are about to become more powerful than you could ever imagine.
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What will you do when Avatar opens? What will the next cause be?
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that Gene Barry died today? RIP, War of the Worlds was a great film and paved the way for, you guessed it, Avatar.
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Dec 11, 2009 2:55:51 AM CST
johnnyrandom, "hugely, and unjustifiably, inflated ego"?!?
by tehcreepythinman
The guy was a fucking truck driver from Canada. Kapuskasing, Ontario for ceiling cat sakes. Worked his ass off for Roger Corman, got suckered into making one shit movie (Piranha 2) before making TWO masterpiece’s; The Terminator and Aliens. Then The Abyss. The unholy fucking kickassery of Terminator 2 which blew my 13 year old mind. True Lies which was pretty fucking entertaining, if not very substantial. That doesn’t even include Titanic which was considered a joke until it became the highest grossing film of all time and cleaned up at the Oscars. So forgive me if I don’t give a shit about Cameron’s ego because his work has matched it.
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Dec 11, 2009 2:57:59 AM CST
Imax ticket booked but selling out fast!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
damn it's selling out fast in london. I had to get a Jan 4th showing!
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the clips I've heard were the very worst example of Titanic style pan flute dogshit. So in this case, whilst it being nominated for best music may happen...doesn't actually mean the critical response actually means IT IS good. One of the problems is that Avatar will be such a spectacle (like Titanic was) it might take a little time for people to soberly find its flaws..and I dont mean just musical ones.
I have no doubt though, we're in for some eye popping fun regardless
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My head is spinning, im giddy. What will I do with all this power?
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Dec 11, 2009 2:58:52 AM CST
jerry91748, YEAH, SPAMMING NUKE THE FRIDGE OVER AND OVER.....
by tehcreepythinman
Ain't whoring at all. maybe if that piece of shit site was half as entertaining as AICN then I'd still give a shit.
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This isn't about rubbing shit in the faces of irrational and insignificant, bitter haters. This is about actually getting what the hype promised for once; about one of the most consistently entertaining directors promising and delivering an entertaining slice of (ahem) original sci-fi.
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Avatar dies at the end.
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I'll watch it like every day and leave all of you alone here in the talkbacks so that you can catch some breath until the next Cameron milestone comes along. :-D
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With great power comes...
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Whether I actually think it will be good or not, is not that important. I paid to see 2012 and still had a good time, despite the idiocy. I figure Avatar has to be at least worth a shot.
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Dec 11, 2009 3:09:21 AM CST
Looking forward to this... but looking forward to LOST even more
by 3d-man
Yeah, baby.
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2 and a half stars.
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He was so ready with his knives out to carve this movie a new one I bet. From his twitter - "So I just got back from a movie. It was pretty great...if by pretty great I mean OMFGHOLYFUCKINGSHITOMGOMGOMG. Because that's what it was.
Oh, and if I hear one more "Dances with Wolves" joke I'm gonna throw up in my mouth. Has no one seen DUNE? Because this was DUNE. Inagoodway" -
...just got fucked in the ass with large undulating dildos. It has nothing to do with the Avatar reviews, however. Totally unrelated.
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These are the same morons who SWOONED over Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, despite it being completely derivative of HUNDREDS of kung-fu movies before it, and who think that Titanic was "deep" and moving, despite the cartoonishly 2-D characters in it (all Billy Zane needed was a handlebar moustache to twirl...)!As everyone has endlessly already pointed out, AVATAR is simply "Dancing With Wolves" In Space, with better special effects. Civilization/corporations/the White Man is EVIL, Natives/Tarzan/Blue Treehugging ThunderSmurfs are GOOD. We've seen this "Noble Savage" plotline ad nauseam for over a hundred years. That's why we have the term... it's a worn-out CLICHÉ! And has been for decades.And with their garish colors and huge anime eyes, even the "groundbreaking" CGI characters are nothing but an obvious cartoon... candy-colored coating on this tired and boring premise.Waste your money and time on this lame crap if you like... I'm simply going to watch it off the interwebs (if THAT), keep my money out of Cameron's pockets and give it to films that are actually entertaining and deserving of support.Honestly, do ANY of you doubt how this film is going to begin and end? We all know even before going in the theatres, because AVATAR is simply ripping off far better films made before it. After 14 years and hundreds of millions of dollars, I at least expect something APPROACHING an original idea for my money.
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I mean look...it should be obvious..the dude knows what he's doing. He's made some of the coolest movies around, with brilliant action scenes again and again. He. Is. A. Badass.
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...is REALLY starting to get exciting. Fuck you, haters.
Oh, and DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD, wherever you are, suck it. SUCK IT. SUUUUUUCK IT. -
"We've seen this "Noble Savage" plotline ad nauseam for over a hundred years."
Go on then - list us some. Should be all too easy. Can't use 'Dances With Wolves', or 'Pocahontas', though. but you shouldn't need to though if we've seen this plotline 'ad nauseum for over a hundred years'... -
Not inside but outside, saw Cameron and all the other stars, plus got a huge cardboard Avatar poster off the metal railings!
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until i hear reviews from publications who can't survive without big studios when it comes to reviewing the most expensive film of all time.
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FLOCKA!
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Seriously cannot wait for this sucker -- wooo!!!
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It's not about the beginning or the end. It's the cinematic experience. the new tech. the journey. Something exciting. Something different. This might very well even be the closest we get to say seeing something like star wars in 1977 (which was also considered silly scifi before release). I'm going to enjoy remembering the first time I saw Avatar and how...But cool, go download it off the net and miss out on all that. More fool you, maaaaan. More fool you.
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the social construct by rousseau, primitivsm (as practiced by the modernists, picasso etc), the enormous room by ee cummings. huxley toyed with it in A Brave New world. petrushka. walt whitman. even the working class romance is an off shoot of the noble savage idea. pawprint, you're not well readand go fuck yourself. that being said. i will be at the theater opening day because i want me some bad ass action. the story is gonna suck. big deal. it's aimed for fourteen year olds. everyone knows it. this movie will still rock.
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The haters will start searching the web franticly trying to find the odd '1 out of every 10' average review to try and justify their ridiculous hatred for a film that looks like its going to pretty much fuck our eyeballs silly!
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being a fanboy great is that you like what only a select few like half you cockbrains on here what the whole wide world to get in on the fun. like the box office results mean something. the world is dominated by the ignorant, the lazy, the misinformed. i for one rather not be in line with them. generallybut every once in awhile i will find myself among the crowd, wearing my cheese wedge hand and yelling we're number one. lordy!
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Can't wait for Avatar. Oh, and to the AICN haters who pretty much shat over this site for the last few months.. FUCKING LOL. Reminds me of all the "it's gonna flop" hoopla posted here before lord of the rings came out. Talk about being wayyy off the mark.
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"I'm not well read..". Wow! You managed to pick that up from behind your monitor having never met me? You must be psychic! Let me try... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... "You're a dick!" Hey! It works!
What has my reading experience (of which you know nothing) got to do with how many times a certain plot-line has been used in FILM over the past 100 years?
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not what the whole world
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after a good eye fucking. has anyone touched on the fact that going with an alien race with huge eyes would be more difficult to make believable then ones that don't have huge eyes. or did i get that backwards. some cgi guru's opinion on this would be appreciated. what sold the gollum in lotr was his expressive believable eyes.
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Hey haters, back to your JJ Abrams and Star Trekwars, back to your McG and Turdinator: Salvation, back to your Michael Bay shit... the king is back in town!!!!
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your argument is retarded
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And no one's using protection.
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you weren't retarded?
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I'm not too thrilled with what I've seen, but I'm still really looking for this movie. I mean, it may not fuck eyeballs, but it can't be bad.
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I wasn't aware I made an argument. I was simply asking someone to substantiate THEIR argument.
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"...pays off like a gotterdammerung Apocalypse Now meets Tarzan meets the best-special-effects-flick-you've-ever-seen insanity ride."
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the movie is made for 14 yr old boys. it's not a big deal. just don't go trying to defend the plotline or premise like it's unique or hardly done. that's not the case. hell. the wild one functions more or less on the "outsider" as possessing some vital part of self that the conformist lack. that's what drives frank wheeler crazy in Revoltionary Road. the madman in that film is the "noble savage". the alternative to the money grubbing phony doldrums of society. this plot is more colonial/imperialist. like three fingered jack. or think of the beginning of "the thin red line". you're not right. you're in fact. out of your league.
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The 3D IMAX is going to be sold out for days where I live.
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substantiated the shit out of their argument. sorry i didn't know the grownups wanted to get back so quicky to their "eyeball fucking" you idiotic tool.
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Oh because you've seen the movie right? Oh that's right, you haven't. How come just about every single review that's been posted disagrees with you? And since you don't even know the movie is called "Dances with Wolves" not "Dancing", it seems you know jack shit about it anyway...so why do you care? And please list all of the movies that have that plot...we're waiting.
Avatar is a highly original sci-fi film...it's pretty mix a mash-up of every great sci-fi movie ever, but it all amounts to something that's completely original. Plus, when did movies become about the ending? It's about the journey your taken on to get there...that's what defines great movies. Not some cliched twist ending just to throw everyone off. I mean is that really what you want?
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i've just taken to many blows to the head. after this eye fucking it will be 87 blows to the head by my count.
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Dec 11, 2009 4:00:41 AM CST
HornOrSilk, that's a silly thing to say
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Who have you ever met that's pretended to like a film because everyone else did? That's what is great about films. They devide opinion and create conversation. It's not about the critics or what others think. It's about what you like and felt. Come on. cheer up! it's christmas!
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It is a piss-poor argument.
Are you suggesting that a film is worthless because it recycles or cherry picks elements of an existing plot line? So we should write off all Superhero films? Should we write off all Slasher films too?
As to your argument that Avatar is for 14 year old boys, why don't you get a mind of your own instead of repeating something you have read in ONE review a few posts up? 'Star Wars' was for kids; am I not allowed to enjoy it? Pixars films are made for kids - can I not enjoy them?
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This really wasn't difficult to predict.
I won't even bother typing "I told you so"...
It's insulting to think that anybody would have expected less from Cameron.
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it's the spectacle. how many times have we seen the community rally together to protect their home from being demolished by the evil white men in suits? the various riffs on the old story structure are what are welcome. the basic premise is cliche. yeah so what? admit it. it's gonna be in how it's executed. and i think it will be well done. t2 was one of the most cliche movies i've ever seen in my entire life. and yet it kickt total fucking ass. titanic couldn't rise above it's sentimental cloying bullshit. but cameron can shoot action like no other. i can safely say. this movie is going to kick ass.
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Your absolutely right. That's exactly why Avatar is being heralded as a great film...because it's a great movie beyond any FX. If it was all FX and nothing else it would get Transformer 2 reviews...not glowing reviews all around the board. Your just another idiot who hasn't seen the movie so your basing you claim on nothing except that the fact that you desperately wish Avatar to fail. Why don't you get off your high horse, and instead of being a douche, take the glowing reviews as a sign that it may very well be a great movie regardless of FX.
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So fucking what? I see no argument here.
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pawprint. i never once faulted avatar for resembling or borrowing from the archetypal pool we all have access to in our daily lives. i'm saying it's there and don't deny it. and of course it's made for fourteen year olds. why isn't it R? for christsake. get your head out of your ass. you can like any kind of film you want. but don't go into this shit expecting something that won't be there. nor use that as a justification for hate. (i'm on your side on this point and you don't even realize it) read my posts if you're going to argue. this is one of the oldest stories in the book. if it's done well it satisfies some deep thing inside of us. and it appears to be done well. i've been on board all along.
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You pull out ONE negative review out of tons and act like that's the one we should be listening to? That's like taking the one good review of a horrible movie and using that as evidence that it's good.
Congrats, you found one review that agreed with your opinion that's based on nothing. I could pull out a bunch of reviews that claim the story is very engaging and the love story is very effective.
I mean how fucking stupid are you? Do you realize how idiotic you look? How big of a douche to you have to be to pull out the only negative review and act like the countless positive ones don't exist. Face the facts...you were wrong about the movie. It's a cold hard reality, but you gotta deal with it. -
panders to a demographic than it begins to suck ass. see sex and the city. or the prequels. those movies pandered and they blew. an adult themed movie (like UP) can be made for children. but not made to children.there's a semantic difference there.
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AP rates it as so-so, but then again, Transformers was complete garbage and made billions.
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I don't hate saying it. To really understand this film and the leap forward, you had to see footage in Imax 3d. Most of the haters based their "criticisms" on 2d footage, which even in HD did the footage not close to enough justice to even describe those "criticisms" as opinions. You cannot have an opinion about something you have not seen, and if you saw even a frame in 2d, you did NOT see it. This film is immersion, and it's a first.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.Fail.
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Dec 11, 2009 4:14:42 AM CST
People peed themselves over the 'genius' of Ingorious Basterds
by quantize
...and as a Tarantino fan, I thought it was one of the worst films of the year, let alone his career..anyone here sprouting that KNOW anything about Avatar until they see this is nothing but a cunt with an opinion and nothing else. I'm hoping for the best, buti wouldn't trust reviews one way or another..im pleased they're mostly positive..but that doesn't mean I'll think its great. What is it with this fucktard lover/hater shit? especially about something they haven't seen yet?
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Erm... I HAVE read your posts, and to be fair I am not exactly sure why we are arguing so heatedly. It appears we disagree on some very minor points...
I never faulted Avatar for borrowing plot elements either, and I am not denying they aren't there - I am just saying "So what?".
Just because a film isn't 'R' rated, doesn't mean it's aimed at 14 year old boys; it just means it's not gory, there's no serious swearing or nudity. It can still explore mature themes. This is the only real disagreement we would appear to have; the rest is crossed wires by the look of it... -
so many of you have your minds made up before going into a damn film, good or bad. going to the movies is fun in and of itself i expect to have a good time no matter what happens on the screen. (tho some movies are painfully bad. i made it for about 30 min of the new moon movie before i had to go. right around the time the kids said they were going to see the action movie "face punch" that did it. and i had to bolt)
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- before I spray invective all over the talkbacks. Call me Ca-RAY-ZEE.
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"... the terrible film that some had been anticipating had not materialised. It was good ... There is, though, a certain amount of suspension of disbelief needed when watching Avatar. Cynics might sneer at the plot" The Guardian
"Everything feels real. It's as if Cameron has happened upon this alien world and got his camera out ... It is overwhelming, and that is because you are emotionally tied up in the characters and the story ... James Cameron has described his new filming process as "emotion capture". And it's a boast he lives up to." The Sun
"Was not as thrilled by Avatar as my colleagues; eye-popping visuals, but story is Dances w/Wolves + District 9; I preferred District 9." unnamed critic
"Verdict It’s been twelve years since Titanic, but the King of the World has returned with a flawed but fantastic tour de force that, taken on its merits as a film, especially in two dimensions, warrants four stars. However, if you can wrap a pair of 3D glasses round your peepers, this becomes a transcendent, full-on five-star experience that's the closest we'll ever come to setting foot on a strange new world. Just don’t leave it so long next time, eh, Jim?" Reviewer: Chris Hewitt Empire Magazine. -
& it was stunning! it takes a short while to forget the hype, 3D & slip into the world of the movie, but it happens quickly.....& what a rush.
it's possibly the most beautifully designed movie I've ever seen, on every level.
I don't really want to say anything about it, as it's such an unadulterated joy to experience. & the first time will always be the best. but if the place existed, I would step away from this screen & go there now, forever.
I wanted to cry with happiness of the sheer overwhelming beauty of the first 'true' night time scene.....when we really see for the first time.
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Nope, the reviews have mentioned how good and engaging the narrative is, that Worthington, Weaver and Lang are all excellent and that the film is emotionally involving as well as being an insane ride.
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Sounds like a film we'll all be swept along by in Imax on the big screen in amazing 3D...
And then 6 months later on home release in 2d on TV it'll get bashed to shit for being a kids cartoon. PHANTOM MENACE syndrome.
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and i know that's mean but to ask someone to substantiate the claim that many a film uses the "noble savage" device straight up or at least it's heart is such a silly question the answer should be self evident. that was the first bone. second. about it being for fourteen year olds. i can't possibly see this film exploring the "primitive man" vs. "civilized man" or the imperialist/nativist question seriously. see Battle for Algiers for that. this is an action movie. but i don't know. i haven't seen it. from the reports. it seems i might be right. again. i'm not going into this expecting a meditation on what it means for one culture to try and subsume another. and wans't everyone praising the shit out of the hurt locker precisely because it avoided those heavy social/ political issues? i still stand my first assessment. people in general are retarded. and have no idea what they want. in the end tho. everyone will want this. because it will be pleasing.
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They say that it is not all about spectacle, but the deeper meanng of the story. The film is about finding the greater, and better side of our humanity and how we view and treat nature as well as other cultures.
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My eyeballs are ready to be fucked. FUCKED, I tells ya!
To the doubters: I read the scriptment way back in 2001. Yes, it's DANCES WITH WOLVES in space. But DANCES WITH WOLVES was a fucking good movie, and if you cross it with ALIENS and get Cameron to direct it - how can this NOT be awesome? Just go see the movie, let the state-of-the-art SFX wash over you, enjoy a decent story with a potent and timely message, and revel in the eyeball-fucking frenzy that is the third act. In short, leave your cynical self at the door, and let your inner-14-yr-old out to play. This movie looks fucking AMAZING.
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Wonderful words. Looks like James Cameron gave us a movie with a story...and wasn't interested in selling-out for toy sales...ala Spielberg and Lucas.
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We're being led to the slaughter?! It's a movie. It'll end up being good or bad, enjoyed or not enjoyed. You need to stop being so melodramatic and stop defining who you are as a person by what you post on a movie review forum.
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Nobody. Now fuck off and go back watching your MikeyBay/McG bullshit. Thanks, moron.
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It looked like a cheap TV movie...and had a bad script?
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true words to live byexcept art is life or death.and a complete joke. a useless passage of timewhich is us forgetting for a second that we're dying! O GOD I DONT WANNA DIE!
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Dec 11, 2009 4:28:44 AM CST
HornOrSilk, I was talking about in reality!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
not on this fucking internet talkback, you knob haha. I did even think about putting "people on this talkback don't count", but didn't think you were that dumb to come back with that! Try living in the real world. It's much more enjoyable. Hey you could even go out and watch avatar! wow imagine that! A fun night out. Now come here and give me a cuddle, you big silly billy x
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shots like this just look ridiculous (remove spaces) http: // tinyurl. com/ y8kqf6m
what was Joe Letteri thinking releasing this ?
.... and Jim finalled it ? THE SUN uses it as though it's amazing ? .......they are clueless...... it's mass hypnosis. The CG isn't as good as a computer game. No quality shaders, no realistic HDRI lighting, no ambient occlusion. It looks like default phong on a GPU. I'm so bored by hyperbole and exaggeration. Our society seems to be controlled by a continual stream of disingenuous misinformation and exaggerated claims made by advertisers for profit. I am simply NOT going to sit through 3 hours of stereotypes and mediocre CG to fit a rehashed story. Enjoy. -
I asked him to substantiate his claim so he would end up defeating his own argument - which is a stupid, tired argument; over 100 years the amount of films which have used that plot line overtly is pretty negligible, relatively speaking. Especially given the VAST amount of films which follow familiar plot lines, like Slasher films, Superhero films, etc.
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If it's anything like the scriptment (which it apparently is) then the noble savage idea, and the primitive man vs imperial man concept, is in there - but it's a bare bones structure to hang the action on. Cameron has long been a director who uses action to accentuate the emotions in his movies - you could argue that action IS emotion in them, especially the first two TERMINATORS - so I'm not expecting a university thesis on imperialism here. Like you said, that's what the BATTLE FOR ALGIERS is for.
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This is going to be nuts.
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down by law was about men getting free. ulysses was about a man going home. white noise was about a family watching tv. andrei rublev was about a guy walking around. as long as it isn't cliche fest itll be good.
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exactly
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Dec 15 at dusk (9 PM everywhere). I'll be there !!! I can't wait !!!!
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I'm glad for you that this will be huge hit. First of all, that doesn't mean anything since the two biggest hits of the year have been Twilight and Transformers 2 (I’m not comparing Avatar with those two btw). Secondly, to date Spielberg has directed more masterpieces than Cameron, he’s also a much more versatile director than Cameron.
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As ego-maniacal as James Cameron has been purported to be, it is still annoying to me that the media still calls him "King of the World," based on his Titanic Oscar trophy exclamation. Did no understand the reference that he was duplicating Leo deCaprio's scream in the movie? He was trying to express pure joy, not literally declare he was ruler of the Earth! True, it'w not great writing, and perhaps the media is seizing upon Cameron's repetition of a cheesy line, but to suggest that Cameron really thinks he's King is just ludicrous. Flog the guy for being a self-absorbed, hard-driving, no-nonsense bastard, but leave this King of the World stupidity alone.
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Dec 11, 2009 4:39:34 AM CST
HornOrSilk you are really getting on nerves now
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Just go see the fucking movie and then come back with your opinion. Stop being such a fucking dick here!
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do you know you just wrote the stupidest fucking thing i've read in a long time? good god! in what shallows of the brain are you wading? holy shit. this is why i don't ever come to these talkbacks. thanks a lot. you ruined my night. i'm going to bed. i have to wake up in four hours. and when i do. i hope to god i don't have to hear you tell us "he was trying to express pure joy" yeah i used that line on sally when she was offended at my whipping my cock out on our first date.
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Dec 11, 2009 4:44:56 AM CST
It's pretty funny seeing people more concerned
by liesandpicturesofalsolies
with the doubters being owned rather than the quality of the movie. You were right and we were wrong, put it up on the scoreboard under your bed. As someone from the doubter camp, I'm glad to hear the good reviews. That first trailer was pretty bad, and I think it really set the tone for the whole thing. Honestly, I think that a lot of people have been dazzled by a great show. I am not doubting that the level of spectacle will be unmatched and incredible, but we'll see if, when the cgi dust cloud settles, there's actually a great movie in there or if Cameron's just inherited the mantle of P.T. Barnum.
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What the fuck do you play games on? A Silicon graphics workstation?! The CGI isn't as good as a computer game?! Crysis on the PC is probably still the pinnacle of in-game graphics, and that looks nowhere NEAR as good as modern film CGI.
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aren't we all in our own little unique ways just trying to express our pure joy? i crack myself up!
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no new voices, no new directors, no new stories
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I'm not talking about reviews, you fucking goof. I'm talking about you still hacking on a movie you haven't seen yet. Why you want this to fail? I don't get what your agenda is here. My whole point was that reviews are not important and you should judge for yourself. My other point was I don't know anyone who pretends to like a movie. I know many who pretend to hate them though...now fuck off!
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..world keeps on turnin'. I'm a fan of Cameron's, I'd think his track record justifies his ego, but just nothing about this film looks interesting to me. Lately I'm getting kinda tired of spending 2+ hours to watch a fucking movie. I got a life and 2 hours is plenty. If you got more than that to say, write a fucking book. This movie will be huge, make tons of money, win lots of awards, but I still won't give a shit.
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freak miscarriages...the loss of so many cashiers, bank robbers, doctors, lawyers, crack heads, soldiers, pederasts, scientists, poets novelists....lame. speculation. ho-hum. booourns.
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ok where have I praised the film even once? show me! I'm saving my opinion for when I see it. Don't you get it? I'm attacking you and you personally! Now what's your agenda here? come on. spit it out because there is egg on your face, son.
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This film's gonna be a huge critical and commercial success now, and the haters can suck it!
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This is what happens when you try and tear down one of the few directors who redeem the action sci-fi genre. You get bitch slapped.
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Dec 11, 2009 4:58:03 AM CST
The Hollywood Reporter & Variety's reviews mean nothing.
by majorfrontbum
If I was given money or wonderful gifts by Fox, I too would write a glowing review for Avatar. One hand washes the other in Hollywood - they're all in this farcical circus together.
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That was my experience seeing footage in 3d Imax. Just wanted to step right back into it again when it was over and was nearly brought to tears because I knew I'd seen and experienced something that I'd never seen before, for the first time since... probably the late 70s when my dad took me to Star Wars. And I'm not hyping this film. I'm just giving my honest experience having seen 13 minutes or so of it a while back in 3d. Close, on a huge screen. A lot of people here have seen bits and pieces in 2d and have formed an opinion. If they see it in 2d, my bet is on their opinions not changing that much. Let them enjoy Oz in black and white and the rest of us can share the "secret", I guess. I'm personally tired of trying to explain it. If you see it in 2d, you get what you pay for and you're not seeing the film he made.
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Dec 11, 2009 5:01:07 AM CST
MajorFrontbum, that's all well and good
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
now explain the fox movies they have given bad reviews to please.
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shouting down the 'haters' and saying "suck it!" based on reviews from England? HA! Isn't this the country that made a star of some dumbass calling herself "Lady GaGa"? I bet when this movie hits stateside the reviews will be far more tepid, why do you think everyone else around the world gets to see it first? Cameron is just establishing it as a "masterwork" abroad, trying to get that concept fixed into people's minds here before they actually go see it and go: "meh...."
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As long as he says "Do not doubt your power, else you give power to your doubts!" in one of these Navi pow-wows I'm there with bells on.
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rocks to hide under.poor creatures.
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Avatar has a 100 percent rating so far on RT.com, with 11 total reviews, and average critical consensus of 8 out of 10 and rising.
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"It’s a world, not to give too much away, that Cameron clearly fully intends to return to and further explore. When he does, our bags are already packed. "
I guess when you spend that much on R&D and hype,...you gotta recoup it somehow.
And the few reports of it being aimed at 14 year olds,...doesn't inspire me to go see it either.
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It will be a cinema experience (good or bad). it is new tech. I was stating films on the whole are not about the start or the end. thought that was clear, but you took it as avatar. ok fine. your mistake. The event is like something like star wars (not saying it's as good or anything like star wars)...I really need to explain all this? man you are mental. seriously fucking stupid.
It's plain to see i'm excited to see this movie. But it's very clear where I stand. I want to see it. I hope it's good. Time will tell. Nice try, but fail! -
whoooo gives a fuck? Nothing is wrong with the noble savage storyline. A person or alien wants to stop the pillage and rape of their homeland. Why not make such a person a hero? It IS a noble cause. Go ahead hater. Lie to yourself. Deny it's a noble cause to defend your homeland from pillaging invaders.
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I feel bad for people like you. You're so hell-bent on seeing this movie BEFORE you've even seen it, that even if something happens in it that completely amazes you, you won't notice, because you'll be too intent on sitting there, teeth gritted, saying "I WILL hate this movie, I WILL hate this movie..."
Personally, I'm gonna leave my preconceptions at the door and see what Jim has in store for us. The trailers are great, the scriptment is fantastic, and the 3D trailer fucking blew me away. It's a real shame you can't jump in and enjoy life as a cinemagoer like most of us do without you pretentious "everyone-else-loves-it-so-I-must-HATE-it" navel-gazing bullshit getting in the way.
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Now that's a movie that will fuck your eyeballs!
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Clinging to an "anonymous" review that purported to have seen the movie a week before anyone in the world had. One that offered no detail of the movie and savaged it as vomit inducing shit. One that was posted on tabloid site gawker.com, whose douchebag hipster film guy has been championing the fall of a movie he hasn't seen for months as "thundersmurfs". Ignoring the, literally, hundreds of positive tweets and the broad array of critics (Danish, French, German etc critics have all given glowing reviews) not to mention reviews from a wide varitey of sources including the tradtional british press (hint, not trades) and yet.. and yet.... some *anyonymous* "review" (read bullshit) from a tabloid site is your proof. Oh yeah, and one lukewarm AP review. Fuck off. Or better yet, live your joyless (but you'll be right!!!11!!!) life however you see fit. Fuck off.
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Modern America is basically built on a bunch of settlers coming over, then annihilating an entire indigenous race to take their land and create the utopia you currently see before you. I'd imagine having your entire cultural heritage reflected in the actions and motivations of the bad guys of the most expensive movie ever made might make the simpler dumbasses out there blow a fuse...
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Your SPAM LIMPS. EAT THAT.
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British critics are a lot more discerning than the American critics, largely.
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...dance for us. DANCE!
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Yeah, like AMericans are the arbiters of world taste.
Four words: PAUL BLART - MALL COP.
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i am very glad that he gets a lot of praise from the people who watched the movie,he literally steals the show.I hope he gets more recognized after this movie,and receive more and better roles in his career.
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Avatar has a 100 percent rating so far on RT.com, with 11 total reviews, and average critical consensus of 8 out of 10 and rising. Please, kindly, shut your fucking hole in that dumb face of yours and stop trolling about. You annoying sack of camel piss.
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Haters. Simple-minded fools, but entertaining. ;D
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Imagine that scene where Lang sips coffee in the chopper conflict shot of the trailer. Now imagine it's John C. McGinley. AVATAR is instantly a comedy.
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i wont go to see it on my own.
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It's not about the artistic merits or integrity of Avatar. It's about the fact that the theme is anti-imperialist. And lord knows imperialism never hurt anyone. am-i-right? Half of these haters probably jerk off to statues of General Custer.
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Spud DID pwn you there. Big time.
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so right. I was getting seriously stressed with that moron, HornerOrSilk. thanks for the laugh and bringing me back down to earth. I forgot he is so 'that guy' and I got sucked in to his bullshit.
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I think you're being ridiculous. I'm trying to say I think this is an good teenage film being marketed as the most legendary film to ever hit cinema. We've been sold a bill of goods about how this is the second coming of film Jesus and I think it will be a great film experience but will fall far short of its goals. True Lies was *awesome* in the theatres when I saw it but it's not a movie with depth, it doesn't speak to the soul. Nor does it have to, and a lot of people on AICN don't give a shit. I don't think that's being duped, unless you have a problem with the very concept of suspension of disbelief, which is pretty pathetic coming from someone posting on a media site.
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But I won't be in it.
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Dec 11, 2009 5:20:37 AM CST
wow and the hate for HornOrSilk keeps coming
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
not seen one positive one yet. How's that for a review, sucker!
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have you bothered to check RT to see who is giving it good reviews. This isn't some GI Joe bullshit where they paid joe bumbelfuck from moviesrule.net to give them what they want. We're talking major outlets. To ignore the plain evidence in front of your face is to be a willfully ignorant douche bag. You are arguing that the sky is green right now. Don't want to see it? Fine. Who the fuck cares. But don't parade your bullshit around like it reflects the views of others... it doesn't. It is a demonstrable fact that the reviews from yesterday are almost embarrassingly positive, and widespread from all manner of sources. Now please fuck off.
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Paul Blart is a dumbass character in a one-off comedy aimed at the lowest common denominator. No one had any illusions about that. Lady Gag is what, your Madonna? You're already welcome to that hagged out old whore. Honestly, Right Said Fred, Terence Trent D'Arby, Jedward or whatever those double-mint retards are called? I think we know what country gives free fame passes around here.
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http://bit.ly/Azza2
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Dec 11, 2009 5:24:56 AM CST
There are no longer any legitimate reason to wish failure on Cam
by nerd rage
He makes sci-fi relevant and cool to the masses with suspenseful action and compelling storytelling. It's like wishing failure on Thomas Edison for popularizing the light bulb.
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is our madonna
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You daft cunt
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You daft cunt
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I got "powned" because some dumbass tries throwing Paul Blart in my face? Please, I never defended that shit, never saw it, don't care and I bet that stoopid shit movie would keep my attention far better during it's excruciating hour-and-a-half than Avatar will. It does strike me hilarious that so many are taking their precious "Jim" so personally given his last film was Titanic. You liked that? Really? Say no more, say no more, say no more squire..
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Well the general difference between Avatar and Star Trek is that James Cameron can write and direct and has his own vision, whereas JJ Abrams is a hack TV director with no sense of cinema who brings in two hack TV writers to come up with his stories for him.
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you don't even know. I'll pay for your fucking ticket! Go see it and shut the fuck up!
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granted from the start,but in no fucking way is going to be an abomination like the stories we have witnessed in Star Trek,Wolverine,Transformers 2,Gi Joe,etc.so suck it.
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Where all talentless hacks go to get famous (Gaga) and where all has-been losers go to try and retain what dazzle they have left (Mordanna).
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in making us laugh.please keep it up like that.
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He knows what the fuck he's doing. When will the naysayers learn.
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You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The Terminator and Aliens are two of the most influential films of the past 25 years. Full stop. End of. No more discussion. You're wrong.
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Dec 11, 2009 5:31:41 AM CST
seriously HornOrSilk the last thing you need
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
is more depth. haha jesus wept! You have enough on your plate trying to read posts here as it is. nonono we are not giving you anything with anymore depth just yet, buddy.
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you pointed to one lukewarm review as proof that the story "limps." You stated that as a fact while ignoring the actual demonstrable fact that the reviews here have been glowing so far. And they have not said that the story lacks. In fact, most of them go out of their way to say that the characters are engaging. Because the spectacle of it is so overwhleming does not mean there is no underlying core of story. Do you really think the reviews would be this good if the characters and story were shit? No. You want to be mr. different. That's fine as long as you don't try to pass off your opinion as fact. It's not. In fact you haven't seen the movie and the only objective evidence any of us have are the reviews thus far which completely contradict your see through bullshit. Now please. Kindly fuck off you piss guzzling sack of pig shit.
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But it does look like real meat, Cameron has created characters, a worl, an environment, a classic rite-of-passage adventure story. Compare those elements to what we've had over the past few years from our blockbusters. This looks like a return to full-on, classical adventure filmmaking. More power to Cameron.
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you and Asshole Lives should set up shack somewhere and practice making babies with your bottoms.
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You think a lot of people were somehow hypnotized into liking Star Trek because it was wildly popular and you didn't like it. Okay, I get it now, you're an idiot narcissist. Moving on.
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Assholes.
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Your hate is a buncha hype. Your critique/opinion is weak titty. EAT THAT.
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You hate the UK. Why didn't you just say so from the start instead of bringing up a load of lady gaga nonsense?
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let him return back to his pathetic life.he doesnt really hate the movie,in fact he is clueless even for the past work of Cameron,he is using his keyboard in this forum to find a little escape from his miserable life.thats all.
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Awesome insult.
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In a future age with ultra high tech technology, there is a dude rolling around in a 20th century wheelchair????? huh? Think about that...
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He is a stand up guy isn't he?
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Dec 11, 2009 5:36:16 AM CST
This has been pointed out a billion times I'm sure
by liesandpicturesofalsolies
But Cameron already made the movie he's claiming to have made with Avatar, it's called Titanic and it did okay.
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lol, just jokin...im sure this movie will kick ass...cameron track record suffices
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New Zealand's getting Avatar about the same time as Europe and the US.
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Nuff said....
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Dec 11, 2009 5:38:53 AM CST
HornOrSilk, it shows how much you know about film
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
It's from a movie and it relates to my username. Ok granted it's not clever or even that funny, but it's not storming off like a kid. I was trying to add a bit of humour to my post filled with complete hate for you. You just keep digging that hole of yours, man. It's ok. it's cool. Time for us to part ways here I think. It's been fun and I do love you. I'm just not in love with you. It's not me. it's you x
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If archetypes are not hard to set up you should try it. But anyway, this is boring. I hope you enjoy it when you see it.
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WINNAR
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The stuff I've read doesn't look like real meat, nor does it look like the real world which has any real sense/purpose to it. It's a "real opinion" in a very shallow way. And the HornOrSilk looks to be a hater archetype, not hard to make up.
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If you have created a worldwide smash hit using archetypes and touched a cultural nerve with your creations then I apologise.
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directors that does indeed make sci-fi cool. I know many people that would nt touch a lot of sci-fi with a 10 foot barge pole because they find it super dorky ie Star trek. But they love Aliens T2 etc..Even many women that dont normally like Sci-fi at all, enjoy Aliens or T2. So imho, Cameron absolutely makes sci-fi cool, however cool is pretty damn subjective....
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yeah this movie looks like it was easy. Jesus christ you really are a narcissistic douche. You're right. You're the only one smart enough to figure out this movie sucks. I happen to not give a fuck about your personal opinion, based on precisely jack and shit. The rest of us relying on our own personal tastes, a record of accomplishment by the director, and the now embarrassingly positive reviews are just sheeple. You and me, we're DONE professionally. F.u.c.k.o.f.f.
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All sounding pretty good so far eh?
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that Camerons stuff is unoriginal. Please provide me with a list of all the startlingly original sci-fi films you watch that were created in a vacuum without any "stealing" or "ripping off" from what has come before in any other medium. Because you obviously have access to some films that no-one else has.....
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Oh, how wonderful it is to watch the proAvatar pussys doing the victory dance and rubbing each other's cocks with delight. You forget one little thing. TPM had almost unanimously favorable reviews after it's premier. And scarily the trades were saying almost the samethings about TPM that they are for Avatar - focusing on the CG and how 14yr old boys will love it. This is deja vu. Like TPM, Avatar is an event movie with a big name director and 95% of reviewers are too chicken shit to diss it. Th other 5% have the minds of 14yr old boys and so were genuinely impressed. This is exactly what I expected. When the initial kapow of the CG wears off, avatar will be re-evaluated as Camerons biggest, emptiest sack of crap ever. Even worse than Titanic. Mark my words.
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dig a lot about old misty, just think you folks are much more accepting of talentless schtick than the US. The US has its share of dumbassery no doubt, (looking at you Kevin Smith)just think the star machine has a much bigger door in England. I think Cameron just MAY be showing his masterpiece to the entire frigging world before us because he's trying to establish a reality in which the film is loved before it is loathed.The US loves to tear folks down, especially success stories, and more especially expensive block busters. Critics will be spoiling to hate this movie because it cost so damn much and Cameron is a golden boy. Just ask Tiger about that.
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Um, i'm not sure what Phantom Menace reviews you read!!
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Please don't give us your pretentious, holier-than-thou bullshit about 'needing more depth with my sci-fi'.
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The 11 reviewers who rushed their review to print loved it. A shock. I'm sure this will hover around 80-90 percent but can we actually wait until there's some reviews before we start touting its RT score.
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love seeing the haters scrambling to change tact. I was wondering how they would spin all the great reviews. Now I know, find the one or two mediocre ones and focus on them till they turn blue in the face, while ignoring the vast majority of glowing ones.....tactically interesting..lol
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actually it was around 60% and NONE of the reviews were as over the top in their praise as basically ALL the reviews have been so far for avatar. Analogy fail.
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RT of 87%, over 1 billion worldwide box office, and a movie that is not as good on repeat viewings due to the fact that this is a movie that is MEANT to be watched in the theater with a bunch of other people... and I'm down with that.
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The haters are basically like abused children whose inner child was molested and sodomized by George Lucas when the Phantom Menace came out, and they blame reviewers and review sites for this, as the parent who let it happen. So now they are angrily lashing out at these parents because they think Avatar is another pedophile priest coming to molest their eyeballs and their bumholes...and they are crying "NOOOOOO". But all they need is a life with friends, a girlfriend, and some type of productivity so that paying 12 dollars to watch a piece of entertainment isn't a traumatic experience because they live in a lonely warped obsessive world.
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Exactly. When do you see it? I see it next Wednesday evening.
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but for every dumb mother fucker you send over here you leave 2 behind. Don't even know why you are aking this a US vs UK thing. Nobody is hating on the yankiedoodles. Come on let's kiss and make up, brother. Remember the war? we were all friends and shits. awwww that's it. give us a cuddle.
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It was great see the movie launched in the UK.
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bigger circles of bullshit if it does actually get golden globe/oscar noms lol...That should be entertaining. I really dont know what the hell these guys are doing, its so obvious that no matter what happens, wether reviews are really good, wether there are award noms, wether the bo is big etc...they made up their minds to hate this film with a passion months before they saw a single frame. And they will just continually keep changing tack and coming up with other things to focus on to justify their hate. I just wanna know if Cameron anal raped their moms while they were forced to watch? The level of effort and passion they display is astonishing. When I dont like something (and hey we all have different tastes) im just indifferent to it and ignore it....
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that and some people are prideful douche bags.
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It's one of the greatest achievements in the history of movies!!! It's like going from silent movies to talkies. People will ask you 50 years from now. Where were you when you first saw Avatar? You'll say, in a theater.
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didnt happen in Japan,since japs usually dig this kind of things: blue aliens (having sex),MECHS, and the world premiere of Titanic was in Japan too if i am not mistaken.anyway.
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Dec 11, 2009 5:58:49 AM CST
Hundreds were rushed to the hospital after viewing Avatar
by orionsangels
Treated for shock.
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Dec 11, 2009 6:00:31 AM CST
for every dumb mother fucker you send over here you leave 2 behi
by malificus
ha-ha! That's awesome. Truce dudes, I'm just jaw-jacking, I love the UK, really.
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after the London premiere. Bring it on.
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wanna come see Avatar with me?
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that's the irony. Anyone even remotely interested in seeing it will HAVE to go see it in 3D because getting the blue ray later will be a complete waste. Yeah, let's go check it out, tho your on your own for popcorn, I can't stomach it any more.
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just nailed it 100%...They should really stop obsessing over this film, as if their future happiness depends on its failure lol. They really should get a life, get over it, and just ignore it if it upsets them so much....
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will let you know what I think when its all over...
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This just in. Avatar is not a movie, but a documentary. Cameron really traveled to another planet to film this spectacle! I knew it. The effects looked too real.
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Watch and learn, you herpes infested coke-head.
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Avatar was critic proof anyway. More critic proof than Transformers 2...Avatar is going to do monster business regardless of the critics...the fact that it is well reviewed only adds to the approaching storm...one more week!
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obsessed with this film haters just be happy for their fellow film geeks that have an epic sci-fi action film to enjoy and get excited over? If its not their cup of tea, by all means guys sit it out. But please stop repeating yuorselves ad naseum, and searching like crazy to find things to hate....
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I the fucking movie of the year. Can´t wait till I hear again the videogame point.
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Is the fucking movie of the year. Can´t wait till I hear again the videogame point.
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and the movie deserves it.
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We don't 'love the movie' without having seen it; we just trust James Cameron's track record, and are willing to get a little bit excited about seeing it. Which is massively far removed from irrational hatred without even having seen it.
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Strangely, I wanted this film to be either really good or really bad, because the last thing I wanted it to be was just average. But I'm happy that it's starting to sound like a cinematic masterpiece.
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Naysayers, until you see the movie. Do you think it matters that you hate Avatar? Go see the movie. Come here and if you hate it. I'll respect your opinion.
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and of course other 'inputs".:P
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Likewise. Enjoy!
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Just seen an interview with Sigourney Weaver on Channel 4 news in the UK where, as well as stating she would have a small part in it, she strongly hinted that Bill Murray may play a ghost in Ghostbusters three.
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We are not allowed to get excited about a movie on a movie website it seems. all very strange indeed...oh god...I've been to the shops, had lunch, come back and hornorsilk still going on about it! haha
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Titanic... Titanic happens to be a masterpiece. Last time I checked, it appeared in AFI's 100 greatest movies of all times.
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have to do something about it now. Must see AVATAR
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wow, then it'll be a bad movie. 3D is a bonus, it shouldnt have any effect on whether a movie is good or not. but since i'll never see this in 3D, i guess i'm just outta the loop. lol but seriously yeah, if the movie cant hold up without it then that's a bad sign. i have no doubt the 3D will enhance it and maybe even make it better but if you can't enjoy it in normal vision...why even bother?
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then please by all means sit it out. I, and Im sure most here, dont give a shit if you like it, love it, hate it. The diffrence between us is Im not spending a lot of time and energy obsessing over a film I already hate, and trying pointlessly to...do what exactly? You have nt seen the film dude (not that it matters as you already know you hate it) so if all you are going to do is piss on everyone elses parade, what is point here exactly? Im here because Im a fan of Camerons films, and I have been waiting for a long time for a new original epic sci-fi universe. So this is right up my alley. I dont give a shit if it is nt up yours. Just stop trying to tell me not be excited for it......Also, you did nt answer me by providing a list of all the 100% original sci-fi films you watch...
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Dec 11, 2009 6:48:03 AM CST
Bouncy X it has always meant to be 3d
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
it was filmed with 3d cameras. the bonus part is the fact people will be able to see it in 2d if they wish. have you read nothing for the past two years here? Cameron was making a big 3d movie or something.
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if they all agree this is good, that might be a sign its not. critics have terrible holier than thou tastes so be weary. of course it doesnt matter what a critic thinks, using that as a "sign" this is AWESOME is as pointless as using box office.
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Dec 11, 2009 6:48:52 AM CST
wow that last subject header sucked. eek!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
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This is almost as exciting as the upcoming Smallville tv movie. Yeah, that's right, I went there. I typed that. What?
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thats all well and good but if it cant be enjoyed in 2D, that's a failure. it looks cool, not trying to be like all those others and attack it but just saying the 3D shouldn't be a deal breaker. i mean its not like it'll be a bunch of people throwing balls at the screen or anything but you know. lol
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how many times do you have to be told by people before you do? it's so boring, man. how do you live with yourself on a daily basis?
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"The Titanic director's monstrously-hyped creation does look fantastic but, in trying to cover all the bases with militarist sci-fi, vacuous eco-waffle and an intra-species love story, it's too baggy"
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Dec 11, 2009 6:53:54 AM CST
Bouncy X why is a failure if not good in 2d?
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
It's made for 3D. What part of made for 3D is confusing you? I'm talking visuals here. Hey who's to say it doesn't hold up in 2d? the story might be that good...um what's your point again?
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offend you, but seriously? The "real classics"? Listen pal, the only people who deceide if a film is classic (popular/influential) is the public. You sound like a bitter film fan that is just pissed off that films you like did nt win awards or do well at the b.o. Sounds more like you are pissed off with the moviegoing public. Dont blame talented populist directors like Cameron, Spielberg, Jackson etc..for maing big popular films...
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Dec 11, 2009 6:59:37 AM CST
HornOrSilk I remember when I was 14 as well
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
fight the power, rage against the machine, big brother oh and Che Guevara. them were the days. I can tell you this though, kid. When you grow up, you put all that fight into fighting some fucking little shithead on the internet over a fucking movie! So why you feel the smartarse right now, belive me, mate, you need up the sad cunt in the end. Fuck! now you have made me feel bad for picking on a child! ...just leave me alone please.
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up yours!
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reading. They are all stating that its the characters, the love story, and the themes that are the heart of the film. They all talk a lot about the effects because they are supposedly remarkable. However, they all are maing the point that the film has a heart and soul. Its not just pointless action scenes after another. They also all say the final action scene is very emotional as you are fully invested in the characters. You are seriously reading very selectively with the reviews dude. Again, you still have nt answered my questions...
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. . . but I'm still not that interested.
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you are accusing everyone else of doing....
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even you don't think I'm saying a film can be great with just effects are you? seriously? We all know though for best effect it should be seen this way. Even you can agree with that. surely?
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fucking hell! I'm speechless!
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Dec 11, 2009 7:07:03 AM CST
"I'm not telling people not to like it or look forward to it"
by chakraborty
Then what are you telling people, HornofSilk? Why have you racked up more than 20 posts here? Why do you care so much, and what is it you care so much about?
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I have absolutely no desire to see this as my allergy to Cameron has been getting steadily worse since TRUE LIES.
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Dec 11, 2009 7:09:11 AM CST
Ok I can't spend my dayoff fighting with HornOrSilk
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
I'm off to watch a movie rather than fighting over one. Play nice!
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under group think, So what then is the explanaion for the bizarre, intense, obsessed, almost escaped mental patient ranting and raving against this film that we have seen from trolls like ashwilliams et al? Maybe theres a reason why many have gotten quite defensive about Avatar after months of arrogant cunts shouting as loud as they could that it would fail and suck in every way. And now that they are starting to be proven wrong, I dont blame anyone for having fun rubbing it in their faces....
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...can you just stop playing around and start making Battle Angel now!? And don't you dare making it not rated R!
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This movie will have to gross $750-800m just to break even. It will probably do that and more, but it won't show much of a profit. Since the ticket prices are the same no matter how big the movie's budget, these movies just look too expensive to be worth the risk
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5 Star Review from TotalFilm
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No one cares what you think. If you'd like to interpret that as group-think, so be it.
"The paranoids are right, they have lots of enemies. Who would want to be there friends?" -
I will see this in the BIGGEST IMAX in the world on Thursday. The last film i saw at the pictures was Revenge of the Sith. This will draw alot of HomeTheatre enthusiasts out of their home(except Hornbag) to see fairdinkum 3D. So fucking what if the story is hohum its going to be a wild fucking ride. Why do sad people keep posting from their parents basement, trying to tell the world what to like or not like, after 10 or 20 posts we get the idea mate. Exactly what SciFi do you haters go for???
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1. See it in the cinema - eyes fucked, loving it
2. See it again in the cinema - enjoying the action sequences, the rest of the movie boring the pants off you, but still pretending to love it
3. Buy it on Blu-Ray, but the action sequences aren't the same on the small screen and you're left with the non-action sequences which you now skip
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to hide under.poor losers.
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mil to break even? The 500 mil figure floated around (though its somewhat dubious given the nature of the article where it originated) included all marketing and other costs as well as production budget. So how did you get that figure exaclty?
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Bahahaha - THIS is what the haters are holding onto: ONE average review?
Don't get me wrong - im sure there will be more reviews that are not positive, but this is FAR from the 'flop' the haters pre-judged the movie to be.
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'every story has been done. Our job is to do it just a little bit better.' So here's to hoping that this time, Cameron did this particular story just a little bit (or a LOT) better.
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said it, and its very true. There is no type of story that hasnt been told for fucks sake. it really is all in how its told....
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totalfilm.com review....
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we wouldn't want to be accused of group-think now would we? Quickly, everybody disagree about stuff before Horn notices.
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LOL... right. Meanwhile, in the real world there is ZERO buzz for this film amongst the general moviegoing audience (i.e... the audience that is dependent on making or breaking an event film. I'll put it this way, when Jurassic Park was about to be released, the hype was great, but the public was completely into it. With Avatar, the audiences I've watched the trailer with haven't seemed the least bit interested whatsoever, despite Cameron's desperate cries of "LOVE THIS MOVIE! IT'S IMPORTANT AND GROUNDBREAKING!"
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"Go see it. Fun for the whole family."
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And their onw the hunt for the next 'greatest, superest, movie ever.' Seems like this generation is still looking for their 'Star Wars,' 'Gone With the Wind,' movie moment. Sadly, I don't think they will ever get it.
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...I've seen some desperate flailing in TB before, but the contortions being displayed by the haters in this talkback are something else.
At least moviemack had the fucking sense to disappear off the face of the Earth after Batman Begins opened.
Keep dancing, losers! -
Saw it last night at the PM private screening in their new 3D suite in London. Jesus-fucking-Christ! I was not too thrilled with what I had seen so far in trailers etc. but this is frickin' amazing. The feeling of total immersion is beyond description and the fact that I felt emotionally connected to characters that, deep down, I knew were a bunch of pixels shows just what Cameron has achieved here.
I just love how the haters are so embedded in their position, so invested in their hatred, that they cannot admit they they were just plain wrong. The continued pushing of their position, in the face of overwhelming proof to the opposite, just makes them look like comical excuses for humans.
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If it cost $300m to make and they spend $100m on marketing and there are a bunch of back end deals for talent and assorted hangers on (say 3-5% of gross in total) and that the studio receives 55% of box office receipts, it needs to generate 750-800m.
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So you carried out an extensive poll amongst the general moviegoing audiance? None of us have a clue how this is going to play bo wise. I would imagine it will depend a lot on word of mouth. Remember that Titanic had no hype, only bad buzz. And it ony opened to 30 mil. Do we need to remind anyone of what happened then? Your comment is just a tad arrogant dude, as if you know what the general moviegoing audience is thinking en masse...
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Blimey, Avatar reaaly IS big
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The line in the Empire review skewers you contrarian motherfuckers, skewers you righ in your pathetic, bitter little pussified, feeble hearts.
"If you can let go of your version and embrace Cameron’s – if you’re not, in other words, one of those splenetic internet fanboy types who’ve apparently made their minds up about Avatar before seeing it – then Avatar is a hugely rewarding experience: rich, soulful and exciting in the way that only comes from seeing a master artist at work." -
you could spend $300m on ANY movie (PotC 3 was over $300m, God knows what Avatar's real budget is). Three hundred MILLION dollars? In cash??
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Trying desperately to find another negative review somewhere?
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Haven't you made YOUR mind up before seeing it - in your case that it is going to be awesome? Why is that any better?
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Just seen Cameron on Sky News being interviewed at the London Premier; interviewer asked if he feels like the King of the World again with Avatar - his reply:
"Look; I'm a father of five - when I walk through my front door, I'm king of nothing, believe me!"
Oh the arrogance, eh?! (Rolls eyes)
No buzz about this? I haven't even mentioned it to my wife and daughter; both who are massively film unaware and get what little info they know from TV - my daughter is dying to see it, and my wife just mentioned today how much buzz is surrounding this film - even though she doesn't want to see it. -
chud! says the internet fanboys are ridiculously insular in their thinking...lol
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AP disagrees (granted, AP usually sucks too) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091211/ap_en_mo/us_film_review_avatar I think this is probably a pretty even take on it, great effects, mediocre story
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if the 3D isn't working for me cause of the lasix, can i take the glasses off and watch the movie normally or do you get that annoying double image?
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IMPOSSIBLE, HOW CAN THAT BE!?
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Texan
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...what's the significance of 1947? Reason I asked was because I thought br1947 meant born in 1947...which is the year Pakistan was born. If you're 62 years old...that would answer that.
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Is the difference between people like 'adiehardfanwithalethalweapon', who just pops on here and effectively says, "Not my bag - not interested.", and howling fucking trolls who leap into every Avatar TB screaming "This film is shit! It will flop! You're all idiots! I'm the only one who understands! Sheep!", without having seen the film.
The difference is, all the latter are absolute wank stains and have spent the better part of months setting themselves up to look like massive cunts, and are now desperately wriggling on the hook of their own bitter, irrational, senseless hatred.
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Is at the end. So I may risk it.
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Don't you think you're becoming a tad irrational while gathering up the immense pile of boxer-shorts you've ruined for today's load (no pun intended) of laundry you'll need to do in your parents' basement? A good film does not justify unreasoning love of ANYONE associated with it - and in fact, I thoroughly enjoy Terminator, T II, and Aliens every time I watch them. But I have never been fooled into thinking they actually represented award-worthy, literary storytelling. I also saw Abyss (nice effects, laughable plot twists and ending) and Titanic (sweet Christ almighty). The truth is, I will see Avatar, I will probably thoroughly enjoy it, and it still won't excuse Cameron's mockery-worthy hubris following Titanic. Unfortunately for most of you hater-haters...you fail to realize that it is perfectly possible to appreciate an individual film, even several films, and still not particularly like the film-maker.
I won't even grace the "He's a great film-maker because this'll make a billion dollars" morons with a response, since that kind of jass-ack, money=quality, self-christened film expertise doesn't deserve a response. -
But I personally have no interest in it. I'm sure it'll look cool on the Blu Ray next year!
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Dec 11, 2009 8:18:53 AM CST
think I will put ipod on when the credits start rolling
by miyamoto_musashi
and listen to a bit of RATM instead of the song.
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Is it irrational to point out irrationality? Especially when it borders on mindless spamming?
As I have said - it's OK to express an opinion, but another thing to mindlessly rant and rave incessantly.
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And, now that I've seen (on my wicked large HD television) a three minute spot about Avatar, I am getting the idea that even if the story is goofy, seeing this shit in fifty story tall 3-D, may indeed get into my eyeballs' panties...There's something within the idea of IMAX that brings me back to when I was a kid, and movies were just MASSIVE forms of entertainment. Now, the screen is just as massive as it was when I was ten, and watching Aliens with my dad for the first time.We'll see.
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Glad to see that James still can make great movies. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE!
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micturating, yes totally agree. Seeing a film on IMAX in 3D is a 'true event'. An experience similar to being a kid at the cinema again. I've seen a couple of boring old Space Station documentaries that you'd find instantly forgettable were they on the Discovery Channel - but in IMAX they turn into something magnificent.
I predict AVATAR will be the same. Incredible on IMAX. Average on dvd.
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Fuck this overrated Smurf crap!
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these trade mags have ulterior motives. I am going to see it either way though.
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and Cameron has delivered on his word. I'll laugh until it hurts if Avatar wins best pic.
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I've been using this logon since the early days of AOL when everyone had a screen name. After hours of coming up with dozens of taken names, I just decided for something arbitrary. It's just my initials and the year model of my Jeep (and the Roswell landing). I'm actually in my 20's, but I act like a cranky old man anyway, lol
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despite saying it was terrific yesterday?
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of someone who understands not only the basics of storytelling but, how that story becomes relevant to the audience in a new context. Just look at the "Faust" legend.
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Not like its the only movie mag still worth buying or anything. And I'm not even a blimy.
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If it's not a foreign art film, or 'gritty' documentary, it's generally not going to get a good review. They're probably backtracking now to retain highbrow credibility! LOL!
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The points you bring up don' make sense. Ridiculing media personalities doesn't really mean anything. What's the point of obsessing over a person that you've no vested interest in? Do you spend your waking hours debating the finer points of Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan? Why invest time in discussing people that DON'T affect your life? Cameron makes entertaining movies that speak to a specific SF culture — he becomes a topic of discussion because his intuition and interests are analogous to 'geek culture'; in short, he walks the talk. If in person he acts 'arrogant' or 'elitist' is besides the point (he doesn't). My point is simple, people are fans of his passion and his movies are generally satisfying for the mass audience which he caters to.
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By the by
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2001 is. As you were.
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My favorite Avatar joke.
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Dec 11, 2009 9:05:21 AM CST
Pawprint, I'm waiting for the Mark Kermode review
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
love him or hate him, I want to see what he thinks of this due to his hatred for 3d. If it wins him over then it's the greatest film ever made hehe
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Remember all those years ago when Waterworld was just about to be released... and the movie geek community lived and breathed on every single word that came out about the movie, and how it was going to be a game-changer and blah blah blah? I just get the same stench from Avatar. Very strong feeling of deja'vu. I think a lot of people are going to be let down by their own hype. And shame on Cameron for being pompous enough to think that HE himself is capable enough to single-handedly change movies from here on out. My prediction: Avatar performs mediocre and nothing changes, then Cameron will backtrack and say something along the lines of "well it was a game-changer for visual effects" or maybe the ever-laughable "I guess audiences just weren't ready for this type of movie."
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Dec 11, 2009 9:08:48 AM CST
Is there one particular critic's review you want to see?
by miyamoto_musashi
For me its David Stratton (Australian), Ebert or Travers
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Travers? That celeberty dong sucking douche bag? Read his twitter, all he talks about his how amazing Sandra Bollock was in Blindside and how great its going to be win she wins an oscar.
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Dec 11, 2009 9:13:25 AM CST
series 7 love your description "dong sucking douche"
by miyamoto_musashi
instant classic
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Critics panned (and to be fair, RottenTomatoes.com) TF2 - which has still made over $800M - split failry evenly between domestic & foreign sales. "Critics" love movies that most of the US never get a chance to see in the theaters, and *might* hear the buzz about when it hits video - and don't see until right before Oscar night. As for an "unoriginal" story, truthfully, at this point in movie-making & book-writing, just how original can any idea be? Exactly how it's put together, or the slight tweaks (such as *shudder* Twilight's twists on vampires) is what will make a movie fresh & interesting.And Cameron's big crowing has to do w/ the tech and what this shows can be done for moviemaking... much like Lucas has crowed over the years in regards to Star Wars...which I'd say he has delivered on for the most part (re-editing the orig 3 not withstanding).I'll be there at midnight w/ other hard-core SF fans, and again Xmas eve w/ my folks - including my dad who got me into SF when I was a pre-teen, 26 years ago.
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and it bombed to terrible reviews (i quite like the movie myself). And sorry to break it to you, but people are saying Cameron has done just what he said he will do with this movie. To quote Total film's review as an example of what they are saying (not me. I have still yet to see it):
"So, let's be clear… Avatar is much more than a film.
It's an audacious, awe-inspiring work of modern art that reinvents and redesigns the whole process of sitting in a darkened room staring up at a screen.
Sure, it's taken him ten years, but Cameron has achieved no less than a rebirth of cinema.
Jackson, Spielberg, Fincher, PTA, Del Toro… Over to you..." -
I won't decide about the movie until I see it, but it wouldn't surprise me to see that the AP's reviews are about as accurate and well-crafted as their so-called "news" stories.
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is about the 'uncanny valley' effect that is inherent in digital creations and also about the use of 3D as a storytelling aide. It's not about transforming the nature of film narrative. Let's just put the idea of 'game changer' in perspective.By bridging the gap in the 'uncanny valley' it allows FILMMAKERS a useful tool to embrace different kinds of characters and extends the suspension of disbelief to tell more elaborate stories. That IS a 'game changer'.
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you had to know that Cameron was going to do a good to great movie...that or you simply don't know what a good film is. Can't wait for the haters to try to spin this negatively...
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The negativity was pretty heavy, after the fact. There was a lot of pre-fanboy love after the trailer and from AICN folks as bits and pieces came out, for almost all the movies. Post Phantom Menace, it was not that well-received, generally. Avatar, whatever it is, clearly isn't "The Phantom Menace". For one thing, it doesn't have that worrisomely bad name.
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I can't say much until next Friday, but the AP review is pretty spot on. Amazing visuals, but the story just isn't compelling enough.
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People are forgetting this is a cinema experience. isn't this what we want? People have stayed away from going to the cinema due to it being a bad experience for far too long now. hopefully this will change things and get people off the computer and make a night of it with the family.
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Because I missed that. Maybe it was because of the incredible record Kevin Reynold's had of directing fantastic sci-fi fair like Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves and Rapa Nui?To be fair, I really liked his Count of Monte Cristo.Next your going to tell us how all the fanboys were so excited about Costner's The Postman.
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you are not under embargo here! spill it if you really saw it.
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Dec 11, 2009 9:27:59 AM CST
scrap that the_juicy_box_of_megan_fox!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
I've just goggle searched your posts and you are a prime hater of this from seeing the trailer. ha You haven't seen shit!
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the name just shouts serious film critic to me
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Employ hundreds and even thousands of people while developing innovative new technologies that also employ people, and give creative folks new and interesting tools to work with. What a waste of money!
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Actually, Lucasfilm had a real problem in the final weeks before the release of the TPM. Several critics broke the embargo and published mediocre reviews about the film a couple of weeks before release. Most praised the FX work, but said the story and character were pretty dull - even within the context of a Star Wars picture. Generally these reviews argued TPM was hardly the return to the franchise that the public and especially fans were expecting.
Now perhaps FOX has a better handle on the media for Avatar and we have yet to see the bad reviews until the Dec 18 weekend editions hit circulation. But so far the buzz by critics is pretty positive. Almost totally different than what happened with TPM. -
..I can't generate interest in this. I think I've gotten old. I can't stand 'eye candy' anymore. I remember being so excited for Star Wars movies as a kid. Even in my 20s I caught Toal Recall in the theaters and actually enjoyed it. I tried sooo hard to like the Transformers movies, but I just couldn't. What's the bit about 'smoke and fury signifying nothing?'
Cameron has failed to impress me too. I loved the first Terminator, but the second one just felt like an excuse for effects. I loved Ridley Scott's Alien, but Aliens was just a shoot 'em up. And yes, it made the most money of any movie ever, but I thought 'Titannic' was one of the worst films I had ever seen.
Maybe as the hype machine gets moving something will change in me, but as for now I just can't care that this is coming out. -
"It's baggy, longwinded and, for all the light-speed imagery, just not quick on its feet. Cameron used to be the tautest film-maker around, but he just got slack."
Andrew Pulver
Guardian [UK] AP review: "Effects wow but story limps in" Assoicated Press GI JOE got good reviews at first, and Star Trek shitfest is 95% on RT.
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Sorry, regardless of the pants-wetting reviews this morning, I'm still not even remotely sold. It looks like a thrown-together pastiche of Cameron's greatest hits - literally bringing back his old actors, and using the same style militaristic tech against yet another mysterious blue alien species. Plus, I LOATHE being forced to see a film in 3D. It has been, and forever will be, JUST A GIMMICK. Theater owners, the whole film industry practically, are holding their breath hoping this will be the "one" that will save the floundering movie business - so, of course, the reviews are going to be ridiculously, "fucking your eyeballs" over the top. They know that once the internet pipeline finally springs wide and makes movie pirating as commonplace, simple and consequence-free as music pirating is today, the theater will instantly go the way of the music shop. They're now simply banking on 3D to be the golden gimmick to help them maintain some edge of relevancy, once rampant piracy finally devastates the value of all media. (And no, we're not there now, all you F. Lee Bailey, Jr. wanna-bes. Torrenting is still a bit too niche for Joe Q. Public.) G'head, bask in the hype. But know what it's actually hyping: an industry on the brink of losing it all.
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How many times do we have to endure a poorly-veiled morality tale that uses aliens and the future as metaphors for the evil, greedy white men running the poor, saintly Indians (for example...) out of their territory? I mean, I'm not disagreeing with the point of the the thing - nobody can deny that people like the Native Americans and others were mistreated, deceived and run out of their own homelands by greedy people with more technology and firepower - but is this the only kind of morality play Hollywood can put on? On the surface, anyway, it's almost the exact same storyline as STAR TREK: INSURRECTION - which everyone hated! I'm thinking you guys only support this movie because of its filmmaker. You WANT it to be great and "original," as does everyone else in Hollywood. That certainly doesn't mean that it is. And as for me not having seen the movie yet, I'll not apologize for my words since you folks have been whores for this movie for years, since before you knew what it was about or what it looked like or anything - just knowing it was a James Cameron movie was enough for you. Call me whatever you want, curse me out, couch it in slacker-worthy sarcasm, but whether or not the movie itself turns out to be good (and I'm not saying it won't be), it's stupidity to think this is any kind of uber-original work worthy of any more praise than than any other metaphorical sci-fi movie based solely on a few reviews and the fact that you love the filmmaker.
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Dec 11, 2009 9:35:18 AM CST
spohlso wow didn't like T2 or Aliens!?
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
far out. Yeah I'd say this wasn't for you then at a guess. Oh well. There is always a new jane austen adaptation around the corner, Granma :p
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I have a review embargo until the film opens. Security was ultra tight.
As I said, the AP review is pretty close to how I felt. I loved the visuals -- it's an absolutely beautiful film and the action is incredible -- but it really is just "Dances With Wolves" with aliens. -
Dec 11, 2009 9:36:38 AM CST
Trannyformers_Apologist...HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
oh please never reproduce....
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Dec 11, 2009 9:37:54 AM CST
Trannyformers_Apologist, you missed it!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
HornOrSilk has done all that 2 bad reviews trolling already, pal.
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leaked word about Jake Lloyd's performance, then there was the quick defense of it that reeked of an apology? That was the first indicator of 'problems' with that movie. Nothing like that here.
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Dec 11, 2009 9:38:57 AM CST
You haters are actually looking rather sad now.
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
It's past a laugh and is nearing mentally challenged territory.
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that's what they know you as eh? damn! now you can't post your review of the film until it's out for the public to see. Should have given your real name or at least not your aicn talkback name...like we believe you, dumbass.
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In my city, I can see in Real D)) 3D or in An Imax 3D Experience. What's the difference? Imax just on a bigger screen?
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Dec 11, 2009 9:41:01 AM CST
Man o man I can't fuckin wait Dec 17th Whoooo!!!!
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Mommy always told me there are no more reasons to go to the cinema, but there are aren't there?
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Is it still rape if you say yes????
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Did you see it in 3D? Does it being in your words "Dances with Wolves with Aliens" condemn it to mediocrity in your opinion? If you need to keep the embargo, that's unfortunate, but where you entertained? Or does it come off as decent but tiresome story-wise?
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I'm over feeding the fucker as it is.
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If the general consensus turns out to be that Avatar's "another Phantom Menace", i think Cameron would jump off a building
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District 9 and Moon as my favourite sci-fi films this year. Maybe that just means it was a really good year for sci-fi.I'm definitely pumped for it. Can't wait.
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go suck on your Transformers 2 DVDs!
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"City of God" is immensely entertaining, but that doesn't mean it's original. It uses the film techniques pioneered by the French New Wave Filmmakers and the voice over technique of Scorcese. Does that make the performances less credible? Does that make it badly photographed? Does that make the music less pertinent?Who the hell said "Avatar" was supposed to be 'startlingly original'? And, why should those labels be relevant to the goals of the filmmaker for this specific movie?
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At the London premiere at the Empire in Leicester Square. Was sat three rows back from James Cameron, Sigourney Weaver and Simon Pegg. In his own words: "Avatar... YES! The standing ovation lasted the whole of the credits! No shitting, it's that good. It starts slow but wow does it build... I shall say simply enjoy!"
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I should just leave it alone.
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You're the idiot. I usually don't stoop to namecalling in talkbacks, but you just took the cake. If you're going to play along, at least know something before you type. It was SHOT IN 3D, not converted after the fact, dumb fuck.
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...From the Guardian. Also, every positive review raves about the effects, not the story or acting. Let's not turn this into anything more than it is...an excellent escapist movie. If Cameron really wanted to make a "great" movie, he would have had a plot a tad more deep than, "Greedy humans bad, quaint natives good." Even he said this is nothing more than an attack on consumption. So instead of "Dances With Wolves In Space," it's actually "Dances With Al Gore's Wolves In Space."
Whatever. As long as it's not too cliche, I'm looking forward to embracing my inner-teenager and enjoying the ride. -
Coming to fuck your eyes!Blue People! FUCK YEAH!Amp suits! FUCK YEAH3D! FUCK YEAH!Sigourney Weaver! FUCK YEAH!Cameron! FUCK YEAH!
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Dec 11, 2009 10:10:27 AM CST
DANCES WITH SMURFS THE OSCAR CONTENDER
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
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Who are the idiots who can't appreciate the cinematic importance of this ground breaking movie? Cameron has done more for the future of film than any other person in the last 50+ years or longer.
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We should have seen this coming. If the nerds hate it it must be good.
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reading what you like into people's posts. I wasn't defending the film I haven't seen. I was saying that the_juicy_box is a lying avatar hating sack of shit. You really that stupid that you think he is under an embargo as the_juicy_box_of_megan_fox!? ...i'll give you a moment to think about that...no! don't reply in an instant with some boring random shit that's just popped into your head. Just sit there and think about what I have just said...hold it...think!...ok now reply.
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i wish i had thought of saying that. lucid, simple and straight to the point.
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Dec 11, 2009 10:16:09 AM CST
HornOrSilk...No fuckwit, we just have classy tastes
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
you like your Bayformers and Ratner flicks, we prefer artists like James Cameron
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fuckers are hungry today. Someone must have blown up a bridge or somink....
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Dec 11, 2009 10:18:53 AM CST
Thanks Jim. Now every other movie is going to look like shit
by jsscript2007
for at least the next three years.
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Dec 11, 2009 10:19:43 AM CST
My head can't get around the fact that these guys exist
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Fucking useless cumbags. What we need is either a plague or another world war to weed some of these genuine losers out.
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There are only 12 reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, most of them are from the Brits and the Variety and THR reviews are pretty much worthless. We'll have a better gauge on things by next week but, ultimately, this movie is review proof.
I'm not a hater and was thrilled when "Titanic" was the overwhelming success that it was. After months of taking heat for the budget from the press, critics and "insiders" talking shit leading up to the release of the film there was no better "FUCK YOU" than something you believed in so strongly becoming a monster success. I was thrilled for Cameron and believe he earned every bit of praise for "Titanic". He made a shamelessly big budget Hollywood movie that used every trick in the book (they built a full scale Titanic, for cripes sake).
I'm just not sure HOW big "Avatar" will be. Maybe not TITANIC big but possibly "Transformers" big. Titanic had broad appeal. Dad may take the kids but mom may sit this one out and for this thing to be an overwhelming success they need as many moms in the seats as fanboys. -
Navi monuments and stuff...COOL
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WINz
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of an audience exhausted, full boners and no eye sockets.
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...at Epcot center and rants online against a film by one of the finest directors today....we're starting to get a bigger piece of this picture.
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...when you saw the Muppets 3D at Epcot. Give us another piece of this puzzle.
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Dec 11, 2009 10:26:36 AM CST
Your justifications are insane.....
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
What the fuck does your experience with the Muppets, years ago no less, have to do with this. Have you not been paying attention. This is NEW technology you fucking idiot. Cameron also played that trick fucking years ago with his Terminator 3D. At a precise time a guy on a bike seemed to come out of the screen . It was not a "game-changer", just an effective trick. No wonder there are condoms in existence when. If your parents don't regret having you they must be eyeless, earless freaks.....
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sound and color were. Get over yourselves. 3d has been done before, I've seen great 3d, bad 3d, mediocre 3d. Avatar is the first one to get it right, drop the gimmick CLICHES and use it as a tool to immerse people in the world and the drama. And it simply looks spectacular. It's not hype. Anyone who has seen footage in Imax 3d will tell you it's simply different. UP came really close to using 3d the right way, Beowolf to a lesser extent. I'll reserve final judgement when I see the film in it's entirety, but the footage I did see made it clear that visually, it's a giant leap forward, period. Quit making it sound like we're all on some kind of bandwagon here. We're not. Those of us who have seen footage the way it was meant to be seen (the way it was shot, captured AND rendered IN 3D) know. The rest of you either WILL know, or will watch it in 2d because you WANT to hate it. It's not a matter of it WORKING or not in 2d, it's a matter of choosing to see a color film in B&W, a sound film with the sound off... a movie as a sequence of select stills. It's your choice, but don't pretend you're not a fucktard for choosing to not see it the way it was made and then passing judgment based on your flawed choice.
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You didn't think about it at all! You haven't heard that they are rolling out 3D HD tv's next year then? or that they are making and have made 3D computer games already with glasses you plug into your pc along with ground breaking new video cards? Crawl back under your rock you slimed out from. 3D is far from a gimmick now. Avatar has just confirmed what you fear and changed the way it is used it seems. It's here to stay, man. You best get used to it. But seeing as your only exposure to it is fucking muppets 3D, no wonder you don't have a clue where this tech is headed.
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What's the problem? Why do you act like you're being bullied into it?
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I think I said that I myself find several of his films enjoyable as well; in fact, Aliens and T:2 are two of my favorites. But then I like a lot of artists who are arrogant assholes, and it doesn't blind me to the fact that they are arrogant assholes. I also like a lot of good artists who nevertheless have flaws - and I don't allow liking them to make me some sort of drooling mindless sycophant. What bothers me about "lovers" of Cameron is the pervasive myth that he can do no wrong - and while that doesn't describe ALL the lovers in these talk backs (just as "hater" is an imprecise term applied to those who so much as question Cameron's status as, ahem, "king of the world"), it does describe those who grovel the loudest and most abjectly.
I have also noticed, incidentally, that many of these positive reviews concentrate mainly on the "spectacle," the "world" that Cameron has created, the "immersive effects," the opportunity for sequels (oooh, couldn't see that one coming); but even the positive reviews note "dodgy dialogue," "dramatic imperfections," a "clunky" script, "cliche" lines, that it occasionally "verges on the tacky," while geared towards a "teenage audience." I guess you can praise Cameron professionally without soiling yourself.
That said, do I hope Avatar is successful? Absolutely...not because I want to kiss Cameron's ring, but because it is risky film-making. That is worthy of praise, and if it fails there will be fewer risk-taking films in the future. But really, lovers...Cameron is a man. Just a man. A hu-man. Menaing, not a God. You can like his films while at the same time admitting that they are neither perfect nor poetic. I intend to have fun watching Avatar and am fully prepared to overlook my least favorite aspects of Cameronian films in order to do so. So if not giving Cameron unquestioning devotion makes me a hater, then at least be consoled in the knowledge that I, too, will be giving him my hard earned money to see Avatar. -
you just made me kanye west style uncomfortable. similar to when he said bush doesn't care about black people or when he hijacked taylor swift. it made me laugh and feel awkward simultaneously.
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It's the start of something very new, gotilk. So it's hard to explain to people who don't know when they bring up stuff like muppets 3D or Nightmare on elm street 3D. They are not thinking outside of the box and just see avatar as just another film on release. They are completely unaware of how this new tool set will effect all media. Hell even sports networks are gearing up to shoot sports events in 3D! The money being spent on all this is insane. Shame isn't it that all these people see is just blue smurfs rather than the big picture.
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Early reviews are written through highly polarized, hype-influenced filters. you know it's true. Why let yourself be deceived? Just go see it for yourself and decide.
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After doing that, you can't really argue about whether the film is good or not until you see it. So why be Debbie Downer? On Wednesday, all will be revealed. Why carry such negative vibes, man? People don't like negative people, and party-poopers. Especially when they are just being negative for no real reason. That's why people abuse you...well...today. For you to stay here and continue spouting the same negativity which you've already done is just you spouting negativity. Whether a person is looking forward to Avatar or not...people don't like people like that.
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Why the hell do you think everyone knows what they are?
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...you're not saying anything new. The points you've made have been said endlessly since the trailers came out. Only now, reviews have come out proving those people wrong...yet you're still spouting those tired things and acting like you're unique and original and trying to share your unheard points. Even you aren't dumb enough to believe that...are you?
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haha christ! I bet even the trolls are wincing at your antics. You are so deluded about it all it's beyond ridiculous now.
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As a movie nerd I can't say I was overly "hyped" to see Avatar, but as a fan of most of Cameron's films, I was curious to see what he pulls out with this project. At his worst, Cameron is always entertaining... for me, True Lies represents his worst film (I am not counting Piranha 2 because my impression is that he really was more of a director-for-hire on that sequel) and even True Lies had some unbelievable set pieces and it was great fun. Anyway, Avatar looks like it could be another home run for Jim. I do admire that even thought JC borrowed a lot of ideas from other films and fantasy literature, this is an original work. It is not a remake, prequel, sequel or reboot, Avatar is possibly the birth of a new franchise and that is a rare thing these days.
As for the people criticizing the CG work and going on about how “practical FX are amazing” and how “CG sucks,” I disagree. I think you have not looked at many films from the late 70s and 80s lately. That era started the visual effects renaissance backed mostly by blockbusters created by Lucas and Spielberg, but a lot of that stuff does look a bit dodgy and "of its time" by today's standards.
I love great practical FX – Moon is a fantastic modern example. And I swear that Yoda in the ESB is really some freaky little green dude and not a puppet. I agree that CG is often overused because it makes things easy to change... you can have several virtual "takes" of a scene, whereas with model work, once you have the desired shot elements printed that's it, no more refining. But, I think if people go back and look at the great work done in the 80s - whether that is space ships or creature FX or matte paintings, there are limitations. While CG work can look flat and plastic, in contrast, practical FX has to deal with matte lines and colour discrepancies with foreground and background elements and rubber creatures can look… well rubbery. Admiral Akbar really does look rather goofy in ROTJ. I did believe a man could fly back in the day, even if Reeve looks a little awkward rotoscoped into a traveling matte these days. But this is not to dismiss practical effects at all; to this day, Jabba the Hutt still looks far better as an oversized puppet when comparing him to his CG counterparts. That said, despite Jar Jar being a poorly written and performed character, with almost no usefulness in terms of moving the story forward, that was a great technical achievement back in 1999. And, it is possible that there would not have been a Gollum a few years later if it had not been for the groundwork that ILM did. In the end it’s a trade off and good filmmakers know what technology to use when.
As for those who say Avatar looks like a video game they are correct to a degree. While it is stupid to say that a 360 or PS3 game has the same resolution as fully rendered cinema quality CGI, I would argue that it’s not the cinema CG that looks bad… it that gaming graphics are starting to approach cinema level quality – or at least TV quality. I remember as a kid buying video games based on their cartridge art and being soooo disappointed when I realized the fighter jets painted on the case looked nothing like the 8bit “beeping” and “booping” game play. Today’s video games have something approaching a narrative and can be visually jaw dropping. But that does not make the work in Avatar less impressive.
I the end we will see if Avatar ends up being the second coming. James “JC” Cameron certainly has the right initials for it. My gut tells me that this will be a well made fantasy film with some really innovative effects work while still using the tested JC story tropes and clichés. With so many other CGI tent pole films released every year gone are the days of one or two event films that blew your mind… the days of Jaws, Close Encounters and Star Wars are long gone, but they never looked as fully realized as Cameron’s latest outing.
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because 3D gives me headaches. There's no point seeing a massive 3D film in 2D. And the idea of watching something like this on DVD/B-R is just silly.
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go see avatar in 3D and then come back and tell us if it's better than Muppets 3D?
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Movies are just a pass-time for me. Something which gives me enjoyment. If I spend 12 dollars on a movie I'm looking forward to and it ends up sucking...I'll live. It's really not a big deal. But for you it is. If you were engaging in this conversation for the enjoyment of discussing this film, it would be one thing....but there's no joy there. Feel free to continue this...I don't care...but you're depressing. I'm out.
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Dec 11, 2009 10:43:55 AM CST
HornOrSilk..Please kindly go fuck yourself
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I got an idea, find a film you are hopeful about, find a talkback for it and have a genuine enthusiastic conversation. I HATE Transformers. However I did not go to a Transformers talkback and start telling people they were deluded, misinformed fools for hoping that it would be great. Assholes do that. So I presume that's what you are...An asshole.
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I hope Jim is practicing his acceptance speech.
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Big surprise, what no-one saw that coming that Fox would & could ensure positive reviews. As the review embargo is 14th Dec does anyone seriously think if it were getting negative reviews they would not enforce that!!
Nowadays you cannot trust reviews anymore on movies or games they are all paid for in advance in good old fashioned bribes either discrete or otherwise to ensure they get their promised advertising revenue from the distributor.
The only reviews you can trust are from the public & especially not AICN who sold out long ago.
Mainstream family audiences (you know the ones who can make or break a movie) may not be interested in a smurfs in space contrived love story with a very poor ending. Time will tell...... -
I think the most irritating aspect of your trolling posts is that you know not one bit more about the film than anyone else here does, yet you are coming off in a didactic manner. Which is odd, because you have absolutely nothing to teach.
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I didn't hate them. I just thought they were a little weak, where-as both had very strong first films.
Just for a little perspective on where I sit, sci-fi wise, I absolutely LOVED District 9 and thought the new Star Trek was great.
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it's gotta be worth a headache for a few hours just to see what all the fuss is about?
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duh.
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They had to plug in speakers and use different chemicals. Your reason is falling apart left and right. I don't live in a huge city, and almost EVERY theater in town has a 3d capable cinema. Falling apart... falling apart...
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Dec 11, 2009 10:49:51 AM CST
HornOrSilk..No it's because you are an asshole
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I explained it above.
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the supporters,now that the movie seems to own everything,at least try to enjoy it.BOUAHAHAHAHAHA
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District 9 and Trek. Man I almost did the same at Transformers hehe. Still baffling to me you find T2 and aliens weak considering what you do like, but fair enough. Out of interest have you re-watched them since release?
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Dec 11, 2009 10:53:12 AM CST
HornOrSilk you have been fighting with people here for over 5 ho
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
at least I took a break. Come on, man. Enough is enough!
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Haters are melting like the witch.
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Hours and Hours of the evil Amer....er Humans steal oil....I mean unobtainium from the ewoks
Tanks and nukes beat spears and dinosaurs.
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...JoBlo.com wasn't impressed either. Reviewer says he enjoyed it, but those expecting a Cameron classic will be sorely disappointed.
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I understand what you are saying, and I am far from being a blockbuster-only film fan, but your approach has been somewhat "contrarian just to be contrarian" in nature.
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I said "at least I took a break". that suggests I have been doing the same and wasting my fucking life fighting you like a cunt. Ok that's it. I'm done. You are thick as pig shit.
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what i'm thinking at this point is what will this movie be like on some fantastic ganja or shrooms...fucking hell.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:00:46 AM CST
BOOHYAH! I thought I told ya that we won't stop.
by the_genteel_gentile
I thought I told ya that we won't stop! NEVER doubt.
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This is one big, shiny package you're delivering, and I can't wait to open it. Welcome back... 12 years is a long time to wait...
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The reality in 2009 studio filmmaking is that a film above a certain budget level (usually the $150 million dollar mark) must be geared to a general audience. There are no recent films geared toward adults that have that amount invested and retain an "R" rating. "Watchman" was a rarity at $125 million dollars. Marketing a film is now THE major determining factor in ROI for the studios, and that makes it what was always a high risk investment even riskier if the demographic is unknown or too small to justify the expense of an epic scale production.Expect a lot more films geared to 14 year olds, because the demographic of 14-30 is the dominant audience for movies. Their dollars are what drive the engine of production. Remember even "Fight Club" was a $60 + million dollar effort that was rewarded with indifference at the cinema, but eventually became a classic in it's secondary markets. Cameron produced "Solaris" which isn't geared for the youth oriented market and that film was a financial disappointment. He knows that in order to justify expenditures he must make a film that appeals to the widest possible demographic in order to recoup FOX's money. At the budget level we're talking about, that is a smart strategy because most studios don't make money on the smaller pictures. As a matter of fact, most movies generally lose money and the studios want 'tentpole' releases that can pay for all the other losses throughout the year. Film is one of the most risky investments in any market, and the recent financial meltdown just makes it worse. Ask James Schamus formerly of Good Machine — he truly understands the demands for the change in strategy for the major studios.For smaller films, it's extremely difficult to create innovative and challenging movies, the odds are that many financiers will want to play it safe and you'd have to quadruple that risk for 'event pictures' because of the extra costs required, not only in production but marketing. To take James Cameron to task for working within the confines of the industry simply makes no sense. He is going the other way by including the demographic necessities demanded by the studio and pushing the envelope in terms of 'spectacle' while at the same time creating a path for other filmmakers to adapt the technology used on his film (which is doing the heavy lifting of R&D, test marketing and gauging audience response) to different purposes.May we live in interesting times. Indeed we are.
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Early AVATAR reviews = Harry Knowles's review for GODZILLA." Scott Tobias, A.V. Club film
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Dec 11, 2009 11:04:27 AM CST
Im going to go and sit in my booked seat now and wait for Wednes
by sheepshagger
18th December 2009.IMAX.3D. 20:45 GMT
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Haters, the Michael Bay fan site is calling you.
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...you're a very unlikeable person. It doesn't matter if you were talking about the weather or news or what you had for breakfast at this point. You're just not a likable person. You're the type of person who people would sigh and roll their eyes to when he enters the room and hope he doesn't sit next to them. And now...I'm out.
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...quote from the JoBlo.com review.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:06:29 AM CST
*HornorSilk...regardless of what you're trying to say...
by chakraborty
...that should have read. Outtie.
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I'm telling you this success of this film is going to lead to the next star wars trilogy! And I've seen Avatar and it is amazing!
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Dec 11, 2009 11:07:09 AM CST
Re: Why? Because I don't praise a movie? No
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Let me say it one more fucking time for those in the cheap seats. I HATE Transformers. However I did not go to a Transformers 2 talkback and start telling people they were deluded, misinformed fools for hoping that it would be great. Assholes do that.
So I presume that's what you are...An asshole. ASSHOLE ASSHOLE ASSHOLE ASSHOLE ASSHO..... Oh you almost had me you Candyman type Asshole.....
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EARLY AVATAR reviews=hours of angry typing from failed soothsayers.
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peace.
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he made 2 and a half hours of eye candy...the same eye candy one can get playing a video game...big whoop
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you can wipe your mouths now.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:11:07 AM CST
HornorSilk deserves a Vlad Tepes greased, spiked pole
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
to be slowly impaled up his ass till it pushes his intestines out of his mouth and shuts him the fuck up. All this troll feeding is making me depressed.
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I keep expecting to see Wookies swinging from vines. Just an observation.
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....HornOrSilk, you're the type of person who, if a person went to a party and found out you were invited too, they would say, "Fucking shit! Why did you invite that guy?!!!" Then they would make arrangements with their friends in case they got stuck in a conversation with you. They'd be like, "If that HornOrSilk guy starts talking to me...come pull me away..or call me on my cell phone...do something. I'll do the same for you!" Peace, blakindigo.
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What worries me is that many of the positive reviews are saying: "it's made for your inner teen"; "it's effects make it worth admission", etc.
That coupled with the terrible dialogue seen/weak-acting in the preview clips and the CGI that doesn't look a hellavu lot better than Episode III mean my expectations remain pretty low.
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we're dashed because he/she was looking for retreads of Cameron's past films as opposed to Cameron's current film. Shouldn't they review a film for what it is as opposed to what it isn't? That's like someone reviewing "The Departed" for not being "Raging Bull". They are different films in a different context.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:15:39 AM CST
No you don't get it, give us your opinion and move on
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
If you post once, twice or even thrice, it would still come off as rational debate. You fucking haters spend upwards of 6+ hrs on one fucking talkback desperately trying to be heard. What the fuck!!!!! How do you cunts spend so much energy on something you hate....Wait, I get it, you are part of the Aryan brotherhood and James Cameron once boned some black chick right????
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From JoBlo: "It should also be said that the effects come across a lot stronger in 3D than they do in the conventional 2D trailers. I didn't get a chance to see the film in IMAX 3D, but even in the slightly less impressive Digital 3D version, this was still a very immersive, visually stunning experience, and is easily the best use of the 3D process that I've seen to date."
Didn't even see it in IMAX 3d. The regular, digital 3d presentation is "slightly less impressive". With that statement, the review loses a TON of credibility because he stated that he didn't see it in IMAX 3d, so he has no way of knowing how much more impressive it is. And it IS significantly more impressive than recent 3d films in recent, standard 3d cinemas. But here's more....
From the first part of the review:
"First, the good news. AVATAR is much better than the under-whelming trailers would suggest, and it's nowhere near the disaster some have been pegging it to be. It's a solid, exciting, sci-fi action adventure."
Suck it. Suck it hard and suck it long. -
Dec 11, 2009 11:18:09 AM CST
gotilk...careful these guys don't like reality
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
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Criticism is respected when it comes from a real experience, which you have not had. Therefore, in this case, your credibility is zero. Stop whining about it.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:19:45 AM CST
Before you say, "I haven't been here 6 hours"
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
the night is young...
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1000 in a couple of hours!
2000 or more by tomorrow?
And then... still growing!
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Dec 11, 2009 11:22:08 AM CST
Fuck being a bully, I wanna be a hater...
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I guess all I have to do is find something I don't like and spew venom at it incessantly... That makes me superior to anyone interested in the topic that I have decided to hate right????
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and I'm McLuvin it!!
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Dec 11, 2009 11:25:32 AM CST
WAAHHHH JAMES CAMERON PROMISED MEEEEEEEE
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I THOUGHT HE SAID THIS MOVIE WAS GONNA FIX CLIMATE CHANGE, ERASE GENOCIDE, STOP PAEDOPHILIA, SAVE THE AMAZON, FREE TIBET AND REANIMATE ELVIS. YOU FUCKING LYING CUNT CAMERON....YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!
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I didn't say that(that a movie's worth is about it's style, not it's substance). YOU are making those judgments without a direct experience, and we're not respecting your view for that fact and that fact only. *I* have stated that I'm reserving judgment on the full (final) film, when I watch it in it's native format. And don't act like you're being bullied now just because you know you're in a corner. You're the one that came on like a fucking bulldog and when you realized we were right, started talking about being bullied and putting words into our mouths. Act like a troll, get treated like one. Make some sense and I'll treat you VERY differently. Frame your criticism with reason. So far, the only thing you've proven is that you have it out for this film with nothing of substance to back it up. PLONK.
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You came back and showed why you're the king.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:26:28 AM CST
That was fun, I see why you trolls do it, just one question?????
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Was I irrational enough?
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Dec 11, 2009 11:26:41 AM CST
SOMEBODY MAKE A "HATER-HITLER LEARNS AVATAR DON'T SUCK" VIDEO
by the_hypnotoad
Or don't, but you get the idea...
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Or should be impaled on a spike. Can't a guy be stubbornly wrong in his analysis of a movie, movie criticism, etc., without getting someone wanting to impale him on a spike?
He's just wrong. The Nuke The Fridge guy was a troll. -
I've been trying to figure something in my head, and maybe you can help me out, yeah? When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane?
Maybe you're just sitting around, reading AICN Talkbacks, masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, "Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!"? Yeah. Do you guys do that? -
Though I'm predicting that, for most viewers, it misses the point. Plus, there's no way that this isn't better than Titanic. There's just not.HornOrSilk, on the other hand, just sounds bitchy.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:30:38 AM CST
kevinwillis.net..I used to be like you. Fuck Hornorsilk.
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I still want him slowly impaled. The niceties are over. I'm sick of the absolute ridiculous arguments these guys regurgitate over and fucking over. A troll is a troll is a troll......
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Not true. See Marshal McLuhan's "The Medium is the Message" for the context related to "Avatar". I'm not saying it's a 'good movie'; I haven't seen it. But, it seems obvious that the inherent flaws that the movie has aren't the determining factors regarding the movies worth. Especially in a culture of technological fetishization this is an 'important' movie as it symbolizes a possible new way of freeing the imagination. Not in terms of 'plot' or 'dialogue' but in how it suggests a new connective between the dream experience and the cinematic one. Imagination retrofitted to a technological engine that speaks to a culture immersed in the jargon and immediacy of vicarious experience.
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http://www.cinematical.com/2009/12/11/avatar-review/
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Dec 11, 2009 11:32:50 AM CST
I'm outta here. Once more HornOrSilk go fuck yourself
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Asshole....
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Proceed. Do what you feel you have to.
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WAAAAAHHHH... WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE THE MOVIE I WANTED YOU TO MAKE? EVEN THOUGH I HAVN'T SEEN IT I PRESUME IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO THE AWESOMEST MOVIE EVER THAT IS IN MY HUUUGGE BRAIN. WAAAHHHHH WHY WOULD ANYONE BE KEEN TO SEE A MOVIE BY A GUY WHO LEADS AND OTHERS FOLLOW????? WHY DIDN'T CAMERON MAKE IT IN 4D? IS HE SCARED TO FAIL???? WAAAAAAAHHHH Rinse..Repeat...
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You know what? The 1979 Alien rocked the shit of D9. That was 30 friggen years ago. If we are comparing films of the same genre than throw in Alien as a film that still blows all scifi away. Well there's blade runner too.
D9 was a good flick but let's be honest, it wasn't this amazing film that did anything super different. It was the fly, meets Area 51 video game. I'm not harshing it. It was a great film, but it too has parallels.
And to be honest, one of my all time favorite Scifi films is definitely Primer. That is just so raw and mind bending it captures the essence of scifi. But that's just a small piece of the pie.
Avatar may suck. But who knows until one sees it? If you decide to watch it, then see it as a film makers passion of his craft and source material. LOTR was based on a book and it still feels like an original work and it indeed stepped up the game. Honestly I still think WETA is the real game changer. But this film may be the pinnacle of all the effects houses on game day. This is the door that may finally show us the real path of digital effects. Jurassic Park did it years ago. And this is where we are now.
I'm excited for this film. I really don't understand all the bitching.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:38:36 AM CST
Sounds good, but will Poul Anderson's estate sue for $$$ due a l
by badwaldo s revenge
Harlan Ellison sued Jim's ass after he saw how similar THE TERMINATOR movies to his OUTER LIMITS episodes "Soldier" and "Demon with a Glass Hand" back in 1984. Orion Pictures ultimately settled with him out of court and slapped Ellison's name on the ending. I imagine Jim was pretty pissed off to say the least, but Harlan just loves being contentious with everyone, like Jim does with crew on the set. Hmm, AVATAR sounds awfully similar to the old short story CALL ME JOE. Maybe Jim did read a lot of sci-fi short stories and novels when he was a kid and CALL ME JOE somehow influenced him, consciously or subconsciously, when he drafted AVATAR scriptment. Every present novelist and screenwriter rips off old ideas and never give credit where due. One of the earliest reviews said AVATAR's story is "meh" because it's old hat, which might be telling. Do the audiences give a shit about original storytelling? If TRANSFORMERS 2's box office take is any indication, eye candy and mindless action might be all that matter to keep the majority of idiot audiences drooling while plundering a small amount from their bank accounts. Hollywood loves audiences for being gullible and idiotic when it comes to present taste for the bombastic and low-brow. I certainly hope AVATAR changes the rule of the game, and Jim becomes the new George Lucas in terms of newly gained independence so he can do anything he wants with a huge budget. The difference is that Lucas got rich off of disposable plastic landfill junk (ahem, merchandise) which made him a billionaire. Jim have the studio system to entrust him with a massive budget after he walked them through with a hand-holding endeavor in pitching story with refined technology.Ironically, Star Wars changed the rule of the game forever in 1977 and that inspired Jim to go beyond where no man dare in burning ambition, and Lucas is already a has-been that exploits Star Wars universe to no end (that hackneyed animated film bombed badly in theatre last year), while Jim seeks new adventures that take filmmaking to the new level with fresh innovations. Lucas counts cash with licensing and slapdash spinoffs while Jim innovates that goes years ahead of everyone in stale-formula-and-kiss-ass Hollywood.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:39:30 AM CST
Wait... there is HornOrSilk, but where are the OTHERS naysayers?
by the_hypnotoad
This is like the Elections day...
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http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/reviews/review-avatar-neilm.php
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Dec 11, 2009 11:44:43 AM CST
HATER:"What's for dinner,honey?" WIFE:"A bowl of your own words"
by the_hypnotoad
I know a lot of people eating just that right now...
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"I certainly hope AVATAR changes the rule of the game, and Jim becomes the new George Lucas in terms of newly gained independence so he can do anything he wants with a huge budget."
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They called it a masterpiece.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21826/1/REVIEW-AVATAR/Page1.html -
Just as much as Alien is a horror film.
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Then the term has no meaning, and nothing is anything.
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Star Trek brought back fond memories, T4 made me yearn for T2, 2012 made me want to by a cabin in the mountains (by the way that Tsunami at the end ravaged only southern Asia, the Americas, Africa and Europe fared better in terms of wave action but got cooked from quakes and volcanoes).
and it looks like Avatar just may give me that feeling of wonder upon first seeing Star Wars.
There will be bad reviews, afterall, this movie is a threat to the Hollywood old guard who want actor movies, preachy films, lower budget intimate cinema, high brow fare and this 21st movie just might send those farther back into the production basement. Many critics will feel this way too, so there will be Avatar bashing. I would love this movie to raise the bar and hopefully the Academy will realize cgi motion capture is a legitimate replacement for makeup saving 3-4 hours in the chair.
I so want to relive that wonder when I was ten and saw Star Wars.
By the way Lady GaGa is talented, she is classically trained and she has a far better voice than Taylor Swifts mundance vocals, she also knows how to put on a preformance and stir controversy, she will be around for a very long time, so stick it GaGa haters. -
Only explanation...
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If not. I don't know what to say.
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jesus,now that is a fucking suprise !!!!
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Dashing through the screen,
Making nerds spirits brite,
Mr. Cameron's gonna have his mutherfucking WAY WITH YOU TONIGHT!
Oh AVABELLS, AVABELLS, AVATAR ALL THE WAY,
Batmobile lost it's wheel, and hornosilk gotta away, HEEY!! -
just wanted to see if you will fall in the trap.
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In fact, the proAvatar pussys should be VERY worried by the response so far. Some reviews have been predictably OTT ("the rebirth of cinema"? Pass me the sick bucket) many others have been cautiously positive in a "I don't want to look foolish if this does well" way. Empire and TOtalFilm are fanboy journals. They gave Terminator Salvation four stars so anything they have to say is a crock of shit. The overall consensus is it is spectacle and little substance. All the pro reviews read like they wre already 75% written before the actual screening. Expect the damning reviews next week. This film will be gutted by people who understand SF and not so easily fooled by the light show. Things are starting to happen EXACTLY as I predicted. Oscars and Golden GLobes? Nope, but a truckload of razzies.
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Silver dooongs, here them fuck,
It's Avatar tiiiimmmmmmmeeeeee.....IN THE CITY........
Silver dongs, here that slap
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And the best thing about the film, the absolutely engaging and unforgettable gritty epicenter to what makes this thing not only manna for geeks but something everyone will get a kick out of?
Stephen Lang.
godammit give a nomination for supporting actor to Lang NOW.
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Dec 11, 2009 11:56:54 AM CST
Let's see, how many ways can we spell 'insufferable bore'?
by blakindigo
Oh yeah: m-r-d-c-k
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Feliz AVatar...da da da da daaa......
Feliz Avatar'.....da da da da daaaaaaaa.............
Feliz Avartar, James Camerons balls are right in your face..,.....CHAHAHCHA CHA!
I wanna wish you a happy face fuck, I wanna wish you a haaapppy face fuck from the bottom of my hater heeeeaaaarrrrtttt... dun dun dun duuuuu....... -
I don't think you can remotely compare Alien to D9, except for the fact that they both have aliens in them. Alien is a psycho-sexual horror sci-fi and D9 is a pseudo-political action sci-fi. I guess I just don't understand the need to compare them, or what you hope to prove by doing so.I am with you on Primer, though. That movies still boggles me and I've seen it half a dozen times.
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Ohhh Avatar Tree, ohhh Avatar tree......
You are worship by the delgos....
Ohhh Avatar tree...oh avatar tree.....
They worship elbow to elbow
The call you the hoooommme tree
I'll pay a big ass Imax fee
Ohh Avatar tree, ohhh Avatar TREEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee
I can't really afford you this christmas!! (pirates the movie) -
Navi lactation porn. GO.
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Dec 11, 2009 12:03:18 PM CST
AVATAR = REDNECKS, YOUR EYES = NED BEATTY!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Squeal like a pig for me haters!!!
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— the reality of getting a big budget Studio film financed. Period. Blaming the filmmaker for those working conditions just doesn't make sense.
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Dec 11, 2009 12:07:41 PM CST
yes, "HATERS" is still relevant this decade. Where u been?
by turketron_2
It's not going anywhere brah.
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Dec 11, 2009 12:09:58 PM CST
COCKNASTY_BUTTSTANK, I LISTEN TO SCHOOLLY D, OLD SCHOOL SHIT FO
by tehcreepythinman
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when a reviewer says that a movie is for 14 years old kids,then your mind wont go to Abyss,Aliens or Titanic,instead it will go to Transformers,Gijoe,Twilight New Moon,those kinds of movies.
But Cameron is the director who has made Titanic and Abyss,not Transformers or New Moon,which means that those reviews dont seem to hold much validity.
In fact i would like to know how exactly the film seems to be ONLY for 14 years old kids.because it has mechs? because it has flying dragon-birds? because it has blue aliens who make love? because it has a hardcore,badass military jarhead? what elements classify this movie as something for 14y.o. kids,and put it in the same place with other movies like New Moon and TF2?
can u explain this to me? or are u too afraid to do so? cheerio. -
is holding out on sex till then...i need my eyeballs fucked before then
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Bears no resemblance to Waterworld or Phantom Menace or any of those other epic fanboy fails that Avatar is supposed to correspond to.Count me as underwhelmed by everything I've seen from Avatar thus far (trailers, sneak peeks) but the large abundance of positive reviews, plus the almost self-evident contrarian cluelessness of the negative reviews, makes me think this is probably a rip-roaring good film. And is completely unlike the build up and release of Waterworld, Phantom Menace, the Postman, The Last Action Hero or any other disappointing genre movie you can think of. Just ain't the same thing. At all.
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Dec 11, 2009 12:12:31 PM CST
Hater is fine. That "fail/pwnd" bs doesn't make you cool, sorry
by the_hypnotoad
But you're free to use it if that makes you feel better.
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Dec 11, 2009 12:13:34 PM CST
PeanutButterSlut, SHOULD BE CALLED PEANUTBUTTERPUSSY.....
by tehcreepythinman
Brown, smooth and easy to spread.
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UROTSUKIDOJI. Is this movie going to have tentacle rape? My eyeballs are ready.
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You aren't getting married. Not in a week. Not ever.
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While we keep rising to the top like elevators.
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And I'm STILL seeing people knocking Cameron for having an ego in this very thread.
As the old saying goes, it ain't bragging if you did it. -
I was just stating that in the spectrum of Scifi there are many well told stories. Whether it be characters stuck in a remote ship, or a colony of Aliens in a world run by small minded humans.
D9 was well done but I'm just saying that not all Scifi is the same. Avatar may have political views but it's also a HUGE adventure story. So they really can't be compared. D9 is an Alien colony stuck in a world we live in. But Avatar is a world in which we have never seen. It may seem like it has the same elements, but it's a different telling all together.
But I do see your point on it being left field to introduce Alien into the mix.
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That's like... having the same philly cheese steak for lunch every day for the rest of your life. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.
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Yeah, I've rewatched everything mentio0ned since release (except District 9 and both Transformers.) I still love the first terminator. 80s classic. I think I liked it because the whole Time-travelling-assasin-robot thing was new. It was a whole new concept to think about. Terminator 2 just had better effects. As far as plot went, it was just a shoot 'em up. Practically a 2 hour chase scene.
Same with Alien vs Aliens. I have the first one on DVD. Just popped it in this summer as a matter of fact. I've seen Aliens a few times over the years but again, the Ridley Scott film was a whole new concept. The ambience was amazing. It's a classic. Cameron's was again, a shoot 'em up. Nothing to really ponder.
District 9 may have been the best sci-fi film I can think of. Thought provoking, action packed, great visuals without the 'over the top' visual splendor big budget films tend to need.
Star Trek on the other hand, was simple pop-corn fun. I don't need Shakespeare to have a good time. I guess like everyone else, some things work for me some don't and there's not always a pattern.
I'm trying to keep an open mind about Avatar but I still have no desire to pay money for it.
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Lost a T in there somewhere!
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Ghost of bob marely: Scrooge, you will be visited by 3 crazy 3d ghosts dooood *lgiths joint*
Scrooge: Marely, your dead!
marley: I know, I should have shot the deputy. Nvermind scrooge, we have other things to speak about, broooo. You will be visited by 3 incarnations of CG, the ghost of CG's past, present and FUTURE.
Scrooge: Blaaarrrgh!
marley: The first ghost will appear to you tomoorow, at noon at the imax. Here, you will need these 3d spectales.
EXT: IMAX: Day
Scrooge: It's noon, show yourself cowardly aparition!
Ghost of CG's past: I am ghost rider's bad CG scrooge, I am from the past. Let me show you the CG of yore.
Scrooge: Where have we been whisked aweay to fould ghoul?
Ghost Rider: You don't recognize Speilberg's work? This is 1994, can you guess where i have taken thee SCROOGE!??!?!
Scrooge: It's Jurrasic Park!
Ghost Rider: Yes scrooge, but look, your sleeping in the theater. Missing CG's birth, SXcrooge.
Scrooge: Twas true, I was an idiot to let such sweet CG pass me buy.......
Ghost Rider: The author feels you have seen enough scrooge, back to imax with you.
Scrooge: Was it all a dream; I'm back here at the imax......
Ghost of CG's present: Scrooge, it isn't over Yet! I'm the CG water fall from Indy 4, here to guide you through the present times of CG.
To be continued
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Dec 11, 2009 12:20:50 PM CST
Marriage Is Like Having a Philly Cheese Steak In the Fridge
by kevinwillis.net
And the refrigerator is locked and you can't find the key, but it pushes notes under the door for things that need to be done around the house.
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Dec 11, 2009 12:21:51 PM CST
BTW "HATER" it's a regular word from a language called "ENGLISH"
by the_hypnotoad
Just in case you didn't knew it...
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Dec 11, 2009 12:26:46 PM CST
As posted in the other thread, heard all this before
by fa_tass_dinomolester
Idiots on the internet always get hysterical every time a new film comes out: heard this before the SW prequels, Matrix sequels, King Kong, Pirates 2 and 3, Crystal Skull, and Star Trek. Everyone fucking freaks out about it's the "BEST THING EVER! BEST THING EVAAAAAARRR"! Then realizes some time later their excitement colored their perception and the thing in question actually sucks, or at least isn't nearly as great as they thought it was. JJ Abrams Drek Wars got similar glowing reviews. That's all we need to know.
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but there's no way it could be more entertaining than this TB. "You don't agree with me? I must bludgeon you to death with insults for daring to contradict me!!!" *LOL*
To the haters: The trailer sucked. But who cares if other people are excited about it? Let them. I've found that anytime I get hyped up about a movie, the movie never, ever lives up to the hype and it ruins it for me. So, I guess you can put me squarely into the "hater" category since a) the trailer was very unimpressive and b) hyping a movie is counterproductive. Yeah, the hype is getting annoying, I'll give you that, but we're not necessarily marter than them, we just saw the same thing they did and came to a different conclusion.
To the lovers: Calm down. Just because someone else saw the same thing you did and thought it looked boring, cartoonish, overly simplistic in the plot department, etc., doesn't mean you are going to enjoy the movie any less. Right? It also doesn't make you necessarily smarter than them, or they you, it just means you have different tastes. Oh, and stop it with the eyeball screwing references. It got old months ago. -
(Heh, heh...loved that header so much I had to repost it)
Well, you see Mr. Buttstank, not only does this site have an abundance of fourteen year olds desperately trying to appear more mature, but also a pantload of supposedly mature posters who grew up in the post-"Texas Miracle" educational environment, and thus, don't have a clue about what critical thought processes are, their feeble minds restricted either to assigning binary terms like "Rocks!" and "Sucks!" to everything.
Thus, even if you're looking forward to AVATAR, but don't think it will be the greatest movie ever conceived, won't lead to world peace, and won't reconcile your debt issues or cure your grandma's rickets, that puts you in the "Hater" column. If, on the other hand, you think the rising sun is, in fact, a phenomena associated with Mr. Cameron standing in the East and spreading his ass cheeks wide each morning, you're on much safer footing.
Everybody shape your chubby little Cheetos-stained fingers into a gang sign and say "HE-L-L-L-L-L-L, YEAH! AVATAR, YO-O-O-O-O!!!" -
Way to prove my point, huh? :)
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Scrooge: Foul beast, away with you!
Waterfall: Not yet scrooge, I have to show you this...
Scrooge: It's me, watching DELGO online!
Waterfall: Yes Scrooge, but you aren't paying for it, and one of the animators on Delgo had a son, Large Tim. He is very faty and needs medical attention, but alas since you didn't buy DELGO he suffers. See the error of your fucking ways, ScroogE????
Scrooge: I was a fool, I will pay for that pirated shit, I promise! Wait gh9ost, were are thee?????
Ghost of Christmas future: Hi everybody, James Cameron here. YOU SEE, the Earth is a beautiful place. I have dived in her oceans, and explored the world. But we need to have a talk. Mother earth needs you, she is in pain. The evil corporations have polluted the Earth. Please go see Avatar. -
All cynics know this to be true. Bitches, leave. Except you, Horn... It's always interesting to see how steadfast a stance someone on TB will adopt in the face of overwhelming consensus to the contrary. Ah, but that's just "hype", all those positive reviews stating how thoroughly enjoyable Avatar is on ALL levels. "Rollercoaster ride". Ebert started this shit back in '86 trying to describe the experience of watching Aliens. TB isn't TB without guys like you. Rock on.
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"That era started the visual effects renaissance backed mostly by blockbusters created by Lucas and Spielberg, but a lot of that stuff does look a bit dodgy and "of its time" by today's standards."
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Just reading some of the posts in this thread...seriously, you Cameron lovers are members of a cult, who are totally brainwashed by the hype, worship James Cameron as an infallible deity, and can't handle any dissenting opinions from your own. Or could it be you're just a tad defensive? Either way, it's quite sad. BTW, STFU about "haters being cynics": if you were aware at all you'd be able to grasp that bitching about the haters is infinitely more cynical than hating a movie in the first place. Plus, most of you talk like you're 12-years old.
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Be wary of the early reviews, my friend. I've been burned by those before :o\ Like the Avatar fans here, there was a movie (which one? oh, I'd prefer not to mention) that I was very excited about. Great writer, great director, great voice actors, etc, based on a book I loved by an author I adore (okay, I admit, I pretty much worship him). Loved the animation style, too. And the early reviews were glowing, so I felt all smug and got even more excited. Those reviews slowly fell by opening night, though, and the movie turned out to just be okay. Had I stayed on Earth a little bit more I probably would have enjoyed the movie much more than I had, but (again, like a lot of Avatar fans here) I created expectations that weren't even close to realistic, and then justified them up with the aforementioned early reviews. Lesson learned. :o\
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thinking it was going to suck, but then came out completely blown away.
I'm hoping, even though I'm expecting a good film, I really hope it makes me as excited as the surprise Matrix was. Sort of how LOTR was beyond what I expected. -
Dec 11, 2009 12:39:46 PM CST
TehCreepyThinMan.. Nice Shake reference dude...
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
All haters should be slowly impaled through the ass and out the mouth with a greased spike.....
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Okay I get it. We're on the same page. /talkbackhugz
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"Ah, but that's just 'hype', all those positive reviews stating how thoroughly enjoyable Avatar is on ALL levels." Avatar could be the best movie made ever, and it couldn't live up to the hype (yes, hype) created by people in this TB. Avatar could be three hours of being pleasured by Playboy bunnies and it still couldn't possibly be as good as people here are making it sound :)
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Fun for the whole family.
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Dec 11, 2009 12:42:36 PM CST
YAY! More haters! Now using the "you sound like cult" aproach!
by the_hypnotoad
C'mon... then you sound like "there were never a moonlanding!" or "the earth is flat!" escepticism
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Haha, I don't think it was the daily mail. I believe it was one of the more respected papers. To be honest with you man, it won't be for everyone but I will certainly watch it and if it's good then I'll be a happy bunny coming out of the cinema. :o)
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This movie will pave the way for the upcoming onslaught of Canadian Supremacy!
Avatar, Canadian James Cameron Best Picture of the Year!
2010 World Junior Hockey 6th straight gold medal.
Olympid Mens and Womens Hockey Gold Medal.
and for the first time ever Canada WILL win the medal count in this ears Olympics.... which just happens to be in..... Vancouver, BC, CANADA!!!
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IT'S FUCKING BETTER.
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Thanks for proving my point. So you want to KILL people who don't like your precious movie? Yeah, you're REAL emotionally stable. And Hypotoad, learn to spell "approach" before you diss someone's approach.
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Then I've got to find another hobby. Enjoy your shit, shit-lovers!
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apparently you seem to frequent this site a lot more than i do...soooo...i have a life, it involves painting, a child, sex, school. And yes, im getting married the day after it comes out, so sadly i wont be seeing the movie until after the wedding.
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Heh.
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...they will still have to pay to see the film to justify their hate! I'm really hoping this movie is good, but I'm keeping an open mind. I just don't understand why people can hate something BEFORE they see it...
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Dec 11, 2009 12:54:43 PM CST
To fit, I needed to cut a word FADM. It was between APPROACH and
by the_hypnotoad
You get it?
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I've never seen Satan but I hate him. Maybe it's like that.
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to post something at least…well…interesting? I mean, why not discuss the movie most of us haven't seen with some kind of informed criticism? You're just attacking hyperbole.
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... and some people don't understand why people would worship a movie before seeing it. Two sides of the same coin. Not picking a fight, just saying the street goes both ways.
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That's why we're all seeing this film. Aliens, Terminator and other James Cameron classics all had one-dimensional characters. But he pushed that shit forward by filming some great action scenes. Judging by the reviews, this film is pure enjoyable escapism. Come on guys. That shit sounds like fun, just going to an alien world and witnessing one of the most intense action scenes. I heard the finale rocks the shit.
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"All haters should be slowly impaled through the ass and out the mouth with a greased spike....."
Freud would have a field day...
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You've benn targeted for termination. Not you though McG. You're already dead.
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Hey, sweetie.
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No, it's not possible. Unintentional irony is what they're best at. Articulate, well-reasoned posts they'll leave to guys like yourself.
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Some of the haters think that ALIENS is weak?, if you asked 100 random movie fans what their top 10 movies of all time were, i bet at least 50% of them would name ALIENS in their top 10 and i pretty much gaurante that!, the Cameron/AVATAR haters are realy scraping the barrel now, that and saying that the very RARE average review backs them up while all the positive reviewers have been paid off lol.
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Hi, cuntlips.
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That's messed up.Your skin seems a little thin for a TB. Just sayin'.
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But Paining a Child would be messed up, too.
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Don't worry. You'll like being my bitch. I promise to feed you everyday... from a dog bowl in the kitchen corner but you'll get your nourishment.
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Dec 11, 2009 1:30:56 PM CST
8footTallGopher, CANADA ALREADY HAS SUPREMACY OVER THE USA....
by tehcreepythinman
Canadian's are everywhere in the US and they are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not...fuck with us.
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Why would a true scifi fan or movie fan want this film to fail? I want my eyes to be fucked and I want to be taken to another world. I want that same feeling I got as a kid when my aunt took me to see Star Trek 2 and my uncle took me to see The Empire Strikes Back. I want this film to meet my expectations so bad. So, I'm hoping it lives up to the hype and beyond.
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I blame the shitty education system in this country. And the cynicism of the coporate/capitalist culture. But it's okay. All I know is, we just suffered through a whole decade of lowered expectations and shitty films. Between this, District 9, Moon and even Paranormal Activity (which I didn't really like but it's awesome a shoestring budget movie can hit like that in a time of huge Transformers 2 grosses)I think I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.I think 2009 will be remebered as the year everything changed.
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you must feel so elite in your after-school club.
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Dec 11, 2009 2:03:48 PM CST
Judging by all the groveling critics. Best Picture is a lock.
by ganymede3001
Only one negative review on rotten tomatoes so far. Big movie, James Cameron, critical acclaim = Best Picture and Best Director, Best supporting Actress. The writing on is on the wall.
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I assume you mean me (as I see no other Aliens references) 2 things though... 1st, I don't hate Avatar yet. I simply said I have yet to get any sort of desire to see it and 2nd, yes I thought Aliens was weak. Especially compared to the 1st movie.
Not ID4 weak, just not a strong, compelling film. Alian (in my opinion) was immersive, gripping and thought provoking. AlienS on the other hand was just a string of action scenes.
I realize I'm in the minority there. I can't help how I feel. If I DO get around to seeing Avatar and it turns qout to be great I will be very happy to have seen a great film. What I've seen and heard so far has not grabbed me yet. -
The Titanic director's monstrously-hyped creation does look fantastic but, in trying to cover all the bases with militarist sci-fi, vacuous eco-waffle and an intra-species love story, it's too baggy
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YOU FINISH BUT THAT BATMAN TALKBACK IS THE BEST TALKBACK OF ALL TIME.
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I'm attacking the hysterical twits attacking the haters...IE, the people, who, instead of discussing how they're excited for a film they're looking forward to, go on endlessly how anyone who doesn't buy into the hype as they do is a worthless cunt, a fucking idiot, ETC. Sorry you and anti-fanboy seem to have trouble grasping this.
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of group-thing and mindless praise since JJ Abrams' Drek Wars...oh yeah, and the War in Iraq! Yeah, I said it! But keeping shouting down anyone who sees your precious POS for the POS that it is! God forbid a descending opinion should get through the layer of Cameron's bull that's you've assembled around yourself like a brown, stinky bubble of denial!
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Dec 11, 2009 2:30:36 PM CST
Kimbers, I see you took the one negative review from Rotten Toma
by ganymede3001
Now's it's 19-1 in favor of Avatar.
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Just saw that...Spielberg also loved Transformers 1 and 2, Crystal Skull, Drek Wars, the SW prequels and probably the upcoming Tintin. Avatar's screwed.
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ironically ALIEN would be though.
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no i read it in the paper today, guardian film reviews are generally pretty good, though they didnt like inglorious bastards and i did
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So yes the long-impoverished, abused denizens of The Shire are being used by a cadre of wealthy, cynical Jr execs from Rivendell Inc to sneak a device into the wild, untamed lands of Mordor that will destroy the native people's sacred volcano and thus room for Rivendell Inc's planned sprawling suburban development for white people. Your heart will swell as the wild and untamed people of the darkly beautiful Mordor fight against hordes of filthy, warmongering Men, greedy Elvish prisses and their ignorant shire puppets.
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This talkback is a hoot. To be honest, I'll see this film and generate my own opinion on what I see, but all of this haters/defenders "OH THE HATERS ARE GOING TO EAT CROW NOW!!" stuff is HILARIOUS. Hope you people realise just how petty it looks. All in good fun though, I hope!
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stuck down here for the 18th....
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before you see the movie. So you don't blow a load while watching it. Then someone said if you can wait till after the movie, it'll be 10 times as intense. It'll probably be during the movie for me. I doubt I can make it 160 minutes.
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Its not meant to change history, you pay 10 bucks and for a couple of hours, you experience life from someone elses perspective. Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possibilities. Avatar is true SciFi. Scientifically correct Smurfs, Cool future helicopter designs, Floating rocks given scientific credence.
What motivates someone to waste a whole day trying to tell me black is white.
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posts if you stayed on topic. Maybe try that and you'll probably make more sense. Again, why waste your time on the hyperbole instead of something else? Lemme guess, no clean up at Tescos today? I mean c'mon at least make it interesting…
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imax.com
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:/, =e
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Equals 9 Oscars
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...just laugh at them.
People hating Avatar without seeing it is just is laughable as people saying that Avatar is already their favorite movie, before seeing it.
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Jesus being crucified
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Much respect to Nick Nunziata for staying silent while the rest of the site ragged on Avatar since the day the teaser trailer dropped, and delivering one hell of a review.
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But that's Cameron's history as a director. He makes decent films that are very entertaining until examined. His work tends to be morally shallow and more emphatically acted than well acted. And spectacle dominates most of his films, to the detriment of originality of story.
Apart from The Terminator and Aliens, he's not made great movies. The Abyss is entertaining (I'm very fond of it) and has some of his best performances, but the lesson kicks one in the head until the lesson's leg is tired. Terminator II was at the time a massive eye-fuck but at heart is an excuse for empty action and a chance for Cameron to display his hard-on for tech. True Lies was fun but really just hollow action without an interesting story on which to hang the action. Hollow. Titanic was ridiculous, not a good movie at all, more a technical accomplishment than a credible film.
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sums up camerons career perfectly
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I HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION WITHOUT MUCH BASIS!!! ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS CRAZY, STUPID, GAY OR ALL THREE!!! HATERS/CAMERON LACKIES CAN SUCK IT!!! THIS MOVIE WILL BE WILL BE THE GREATEST MOMENT OF YOUR LIFE UNTIL YOU FINALLY MEET GOD IN PERSON AND/OR EMPTY SPECTACLE!!! THERE ARE ONLY TWO POSSIBLE OPINIONS ON THIS AND WE MUST EACH CHOOSE ONE OR PERISH!!!
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I paint on the side to make money to feed my child. Not as messed up as jerking off to a CG navi
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I am in full agreement. I hope to be wrong because I love being entertained but Cameron hasn't been able to do that for me since the first Terminator.
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Yes, that was intentional. The idiocy present in this talkback is fucking staggering. The importance of this movie being the best ever or a horrible fucking failure for some of you tools is just mind-boggling. Grow the hell up. Get outside and do something. Geez, you are pathetic! You are wasting good breathable air. Do I want this movie to be good? Yes. Because I like big FX heavy action flicks that have good stories. If it isn't the best movie ever, I won't freaking cry or lash out at people on internet forums. It's a movie, a big one, but nothing more.
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What have you ever posted except blind praise for the film and digs at the haters?! Really, just how fucking unaware are you, anyway...?
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It's so easy to wind you freaks up, isn't it?All my praise is well considered - THAT is the difference between me and the mindless drone haters. Throw yourself in the oven after Trannyformers, please!!
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Dec 11, 2009 4:43:45 PM CST
Cameron will make the first billion dollar budgeted movie in a f
by kravmaguffin
So let it be written...
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Check in his office, under his desk. He's there crawled up in the fetal position. And McG, Ratner and Bay are planning there triple suicide on top the roof of Paramount Production.
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You asked for it, sucker! In another Avatar thread, ominos and some other guy asked, "If you know so much about the movie, why don't you write a review of it"? So, for shits and giggles, I did. Here's my review of the film, which I wrote as if I'd seen it, based on the script, trailers, behind-the-scenes stuff, interviews, TV spots, and spoilers. We'll see how accurate it is in a week.
WARNING, POTENTIAL SPOILERS,
Avatar As Lifeless As It Is Listless
A little over ten years ago, a film which, at the time, was probably the most highly-anticipated motion picture of ALL time, thudded into cinemas worldwide. It marked the return, after a long absence, of a beloved filmmaker to the director’s chair, a visionary who’d created some of the most influential popular entertainment of the 20th century. It saw the culmination of years of hype and hope, and the highest expectation from fans who’d been waiting for the film’s release seemingly forever. And it featured new and emerging digital technologies, promising to usher in a new era of big-budget filmmaking. As you’ve probably guessed, the film in question was “Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace”, and the filmmaker George Lucas. Unfortunately, the new film not only failed to meet the expectations of either the fans or general audience, but permanently marred Lucas’ reputation as a “master of pop-culture”, and alienated the majority of the franchise’s long-time devotes.
This December, another long-awaited and eagerly-anticipated film is thudding into cinemas world-wide and with the same gargantuan expectations as its CGI-infused predecessor. This time around, it’s James Cameron’s return to the big screen for the first time in twelve years, with a picture which we’ve been told will “change the way we see movies forever” and will be “the greatest adventure of all time”: Avatar, a film Cameron’s had on the horizon for sixteen years, and like Lucas, comes complete with a loyal fan base and a certain amount of prestige in the entertainment world at large. Sadly, like “The Phantom Menace”, Avatar is an over-digitized, self-indulgent mess of a film which substitutes volume for substance and advanced effects for human emotions and interaction. One would think that the other big-budget epic filmmakers of the same generation as George Lucas would learn from that fallen visionary’s mistakes with Star Wars and Indiana Jones, but evidently, Cameron’s head was on another world.
The biggest problem with Avatar is what passes for the “plot”: On an 22nd century Earth rife with pollution and decay, paraplegic former Marine Jack Sully is recruited to head out to an alien world called “Pandora”, the antithesis of Earth in every way. The world is lush, green, and tropical, and filled to the brim with computer-created monsters and a race of nine-foot-tall cat people natives, rather uncreatively called the “Na’vi”. Sully is brought to the planet to fill in for his recently deceased brother, who was to be the controller for an Avatar, a genetic compilation of Sully’s DNA and that of a Na’vi.
Once on the planet, Sully meets with the local human inhabitants: the tough-as-nails but ultimately noble Dr. Grace Augustine, (Sigourney Weaver), the smarmy corporate manager Parker Selfridge, (Giovanni Ribisi), the glowering military security chief Col. Quaritch, (Stephen Lang, who spends the entire film either sneering or snarling into the camera), the laid-back pilot Trudy Chacon, (Michelle Rodriguez, master thespian and star of “Resident Evil” and “Fast and the Furious”), the excitable young scientist Norm Spellman, (Joel David Moore), and army thug Lyle Wainfleet, (Matt Gerald). Jake quickly gets into his Avatar body, and from here on in, the majority of the film will feature his, Weaver’s, and other CGI Na’vi in place of actors, completely removing the human element of filmmaking, but more on that later.
Sully and the other Avatars go out to explore the planet, called for some reason Pandora, and soon encounter not only a conglomeration of CGI beasties, but several of the locals, including the annoyingly “fiery” Neytiri, (Zoe Salanda), her future fellow leader of the clan and general prick Tsu’tey, (Laz Alonso), and her parents, clan leaders Mo’at and Eytukan, (CCH Pounder and Wes Studi, respectively). These descriptions may seem to be simple and non-descriptive, but none of the characters in the film rise above their basic archetypes: Sully is the crippled and jaded warrior who reborn both physically and emotionally on Pandora, but there’s nothing more to his character, and Worthington and Cameron handle Sully’s arc with all the subtlety of dropping a piano. The humans fall into two camps: the “sympathetic heroes” who ally with the Na’vi in the end, and the “marauding ruinous murders” who do nothing but spout dialogue about “fly-bitten savages” and fire CGI rockets into the jungle repeatedly, while the Na’vi are the noble natives who are as connected and in-tune with nature as the human settlers are disconnected and over-dependent on technology.
Once running around the jungle of Pandora, including an interminable fifteen-minute sequence where Sully runs away from a giant alien panther, our intrepid adventurer meets Neytiri, who saves him after the idiot bumbles around so much that he manages to attract every predator within a fifty-mile radius. At first, Neytiri is distrustful of him, (and rightfully so, seeing as he starts off working as a spy for Quaritch), but due to some random event where the seeds of the Na’vi’s sacred hometree seem to be drawn to him, she decides to teach Sully the ways of her people, because, really, why the hell not? At this point, Sully becomes more and more drawn into the world of the Na’vi, falling in love with Neytiri and becoming disillusioned with his human compatriots. This indoctrination of Sully into Na’vi culture seems to mostly consist of him and Neytiri bopping around the CGI jungle and ridding CGI animals, while James Horner’s bland, sonic wallpaper score drones endlessly in the background.
Things eventually come to a head when the Human colonists, who’ve been trying to mine a rare mineral from Pandora, get tired of waiting for the Avatars to bridge the two desperate cultures and decide to just blow the little blue cretins the hell up. This inevitably leads to an all-war between the humans and the Na’vi: Grace is shot by Quaritch, while Trudy, Norm and Mo’at are killed in the fighting; eventually, the tide is turned against the Earthling invaders when it turns out that Pandora is “alive” and the Na’vi and “everything that walks, flies or squats in the mud” are extensions of its immune system. Quaritch and Wainfleet are killed, while Selfridge and the rest of the survivors are banned from ever returning to Pandora, under threat of being wiped out by a plague to be manufactured by the planet. In the final scene, Sully’s human body is shed and he begins his true life as a giant blue cat person: cue “Avatar 2: Interstellar Immunization Boogaloo”.
Probably needless to say, the problems with Avatar are many and varied; it’s more of an idea than a finished product. First of all, as mentioned previously, the film is a complete and utter CGI overload. Avatar is advertised as a live-action film with incredible special effects, but in fact, it is 60% animated and 40% live-action. For most of the film, we watch as digital characters run from, (and on), digital creatures, go through digital jungles and fight digital war machines. It’s not like the special effects epics of old, which were filled with practical effects which were really “special”: By getting rid of sets and prosthetics, Cameron has removed the human elements from effects, and replaced them with blobs of pixels in the form of gunships and flying bat/dragon creatures, which have no art to them whatever. There’s no creativity in sitting at a keyboard and pushing buttons, while there was in the work of the now unemployed artists who would so carefully and skillfully built Pandora from the ground up, or apply layer after layer of sculpted and painted skin to the actors’ bodies.
And by removing the actors, Cameron diminishes the human element even more; it doesn’t matter if the CGI creations are motion-capture or actor-driven, or how they’re formed behind the scenes, because what we see onscreen are CGI cat people. I’d have loved to have seen what Stan Winston Studios and WETA Workshop could have done with this script, but alas, we get more CGI masturbation. And this is not the same thing as a character like Gollum in Peter Jackson’s brilliant “The Lord of the Rings” trilogy, which was impressive as it was a digital character interacting with live-action actors and environments; here we have digital creatures in digital worlds. It’s “The Phantom Menace” all over again, just with slightly better animation. It’s ironic that Cameron casts the characters who are too enamored with their technology as the villains, then gives us a film too enamored with technology!
Not only is the film almost totally animated, but the production design itself is a disaster: the alien creatures show not a lot of imagination in their design, (they’re essentially take-offs on Terran species, such as wolves, panthers, horses, rhinos, monkeys…and dragons?), and all garishly colored so as to sell more action figures, while the Na’vi look like something from a bad, mid-90’s video game, and the human tech is clunky and impressive left-overs from the vastly superiors “Aliens”. The digital effects so permeate the film that the live-action actors often appear to be CGI, showing the tell-tale look of digital characters, namely that their skin appears to be made out of jelly. Cameron attempts to bring an extra dimension to the film through the use of 3D, Hollywood’s latest sorry attempt to bring audiences into the theater without bothering to come up with a script. I personally find 3D pointless and troublesome: it’s not the future of film, it’s the past! It’s been around since the 1950’s, and I doubt they’ll get in right anytime soon. Wake me up when VR or the Holodeck technology becomes widely available.
Speaking of the actors, the performances in “Avatar” are often atrocious, as C and-D-list performers deliver terrible, nail-bitingly wooden dialogue that far outdoes any questionable lines from Cameron’s earlier films. Examples of these insightful glimpses into our characters’ souls include, “You ain’t got nothin’! Go back to your mama, bitch!”, and “Those savages are wrecking our whole operation”! Sully’s talking like a modern-day gangsta thug alone is laughable, and shows Cameron’s lack of imagination quite spectacularly; it’s comparable to a film set in 2009 featuring characters running amok in powdered wigs and wooden teeth, “thee” and “thou”-ing everyone they encounter. The only one who’s had any kind-of career in this sordid ensemble is Sigourney Weaver, who hasn’t been considered a box office draw since what? 1992?
As stated at the start of the review, what really kills “Avatar” is the plot: Cameron spent so much time thinking up ways to actualize the images in his head, he never bothered to cobble together a cohesive narrative to unite them into an actual story. As it stands, “Avatar” is an uninspired mix and “Dances with Wolves”, “The New World”, and even Disney’s animated “Pocahontas”. Why spend $400 million on a story that’s been told countless times before? Why create a massive “epic” if you can’t think of an original through-line to bring the audience along on this journey with the characters? Audiences would probably be better served simply reading the short story Call Me Joe by Poul Anderson, the sci-fi writer upon whose work “Avatar” is based and the latest victim of Cameron’s blatant plagiarism.
All in all, “Avatar” has everything it needs to be the next big thing, including a proven filmmaker, some of the most talented effects companies in the business, excessive special effects and a relentless advertising campaign. However, for some reason, nothing in this film really “clicks”: everything feels just a tad off, as if it just doesn’t work on some intangible level. Everything from the dialogue to the performances to the editing feels slightly wrong, and somewhat harried and breathless. Like the inane song over the end credits, the film is listless and shapeless. In fact, Cameron cut the entire Earth-based opening of the film shortly before the release, further diluting the plot and removing our frame of reference for understanding what Jake Sully is fighting for. Really, though, it wouldn’t have mattered, because at its core, “Avatar” isn’t about story or character, or about providing us a message about the environment; it’s about Cameron proving that, like when he helped kick-start the CGI revolution with “The Abyss” and “Terminator 2”, he is still the master of special effects. This film may have shown us Cameron’s visual mastery if he’d made it back when it was written, in 1995, but after the last ten years of CGI excess, it’s just so much more digital indulgence. Let’s hope that unlike Lucas, Cameron is able to redeem himself in the future. -
Good God, you're an idiot! Typical brain-dead, psycho internet trash...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You all got so fucking owned I can't help but sit here and laugh my ass off at you... this is too classic! You were so convinced, now you losers aka HornOrSilk, Trannyformers, Fatass Dino, Nerd Rage your grasping at thin air and your posts REEK of desperation. You've been proved so very wrong...
You think it's all spectacle and no story, but that doesn't explain the overwhelmingly positive reviews and twitter reactions...Transformers had great spectacle...where are it' raves? Face it, Cameron made a GREAT MOVIE all the way through, it's resonating with audiences emotionally just as much as visually. It's being heralded as thematically strong and structurally perfect. You also seem to overlooking most of the reviews claim it will play just as good in 2D. People are already saying it's a lock for Oscar Best Picture/Director noms.
Face it, your pathetic dreams have been shattered. Keep quoting the two mixed reviews as proof of otherwise...and ignore the countless raves...nothing you say will ever be taken seriously...the truth is out. You doubted the master and got fucked in the ass. So once again... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The King has returned! PWNED! -
You mean, a review for something you have not yet seen - and which you have made up you mind about already, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary? THAT's supposed to be 'on-topic' or somehow different to your previous venom-filled screeds? Why would anyone waste their time reading that ignorant and highly inaccurate mess when we have many REAL reviews now posted/published? FAIL"Good God, you're an idiot! Typical brain-dead, psycho internet trash..." Funny, but that's exactly how I feel about you!! Share the love, brother!
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I'd said I would write a review before the film came out in a previous thread, at the urging of two other posters, and I do what I say. I'm sorry you're such a fucking low, unevolved, useless tit-puncher that you can't seem to read, or comprehend what you read. And I repeat: you, sir, are complete and utter internet trash, and I suspect retarded trash and a complete fucking failure in real life as well. So, kindly go fuck yourself, and get the fuck out of everyone's face with your insane horseshit. I've had my fill of blithering, mentally unbalanced drivel for the evening.
And now, seeing as it's Friday night, I'm getting the hell out of here. I'll be back tomorrow to respond to the undoubtedly incoherent and badly misspelled, rage-and-denial fueled responses to follow. -
"what really kills “Avatar” is the plot"
Whats central to the plot of Avatar is a Love Story. But you need to know love to figure that one out.
My friend, there is only so many "plots", Love, Hate, Greed, Fear, etc.
Instead of wasting time writing pre/reviews that mean nothing, make us some suggestions how you would improve the plot to Avatar. Go on pitch us some real SciFi, how about "FatAss in his own Innerspace".
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Dec 11, 2009 6:02:00 PM CST
Yep, you're a man of your word, all right.
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
But it really wasn't worth the effort, now, was it? Oh, I see - it was solely for 'shits and giggles'. Well, knock yourself out, laughing boy. And step into the pizza oven when you're done.De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, you know!!
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Are you seriously using that line?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXoYK4b_q24&feature=player_embeddedI really want Michael Bay to do this
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The only "nourishment" going on between us is my cock blowing an exit wound through the back of your pointy skull, pinhead. I'll double her usual price and leave ten bucks on the dresser after I finish banging your mother to make up for the mess.
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Or better yet, treat yourself to another viewing of NEW MOON, that'll cheer you up - HAAAA! Welcome back, Jim.
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CHUD - the haters biggest ally - have just given AVATAR a glowing review. Some quotes, shall we?
But it does and make no mistake, this is a film worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as The Matrix and The Lord of the Rings. It's epic, visionary, breathtaking, and as immersive as any tentpole film in recent memory.
The dialogue and execution of the plot is excellent..
There should be a special Oscar for the man for one-upping nearly every hardass military guy we've seen onscreen and chewing scenery in the most appealing and iconic way possible. - On Stephen Lang
This is what The Phantom Menace should have been...It's proof that the only downside to Avatar is how it allowed us to forget what a powerhouse James Cameron is.
Well the fantastic lines could keep going forever - how it very well could be Camerons masterpiece, how trailers and still don't do any justice to the FX - and a majority of the reviews have been like that. Hell they even took a rotten review off! Jim Cameron FTW! -
I just might check that out!
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out of all the "blockbuster" type directors, i think he has the best skills my prob is, he has stopped using them it doesnt take directorial skill to make a cgi laden affair...lucas proved that with the prequels i think its sad that cameron thinks he is no better than michael bay
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i fucking told you so. its shit. its a flop. suck it, all you avatar apologists! suck it!
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cameron. your new george lucas
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You're a fucking retard.
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it will say "Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength was right"
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Of course you'd wear that shirt, you're the only one who agrees with you. And you're a fucking retard.
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how bad does it hurt? are you crying over camerons failure? are you suicidal now that avatar is proven to be a crap movie?
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avatar flopped.
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AICN's Ghost of Christmas Never.
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Dec 11, 2009 8:31:10 PM CST
Ash_Williams = attention seeking because he is insignificant.
by --- emperor ---
You have accomplished nothing in your worthless life that is worthy of public scrutiny.
You are nothing but just another mouth to feed on this overcrowded planet filled with monkeys screeching and jumping about desperate to grab attention for themselves, because they have nothing else to show for it. Just shut up and fuck off, you're taking up valuable talkback space, monkey. -
Dec 11, 2009 8:31:39 PM CST
Ash_Williams = attention seeking because he is insignificant.
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You have accomplished nothing in your worthless life that is worthy of public scrutiny. You are nothing but just another mouth to feed on this overcrowded planet filled with monkeys screeching and jumping about desperate to grab attention for themselves, because they have nothing else to show for it. Just shut up and fuck off, you're taking up valuable talkback space, monkey.
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You seem like the slack jawed type who will keep flayling away with hatred at a movie he has never seen even as the avalanche of positive reviews begin to pour in. But hey, I'll give you props for consistency andstanding your ground.
There may be a few more of your ilk hanging around but most will no doubt flee into the shadows.
This is beginning to taste very sweet indeed.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't stop laughing at you.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/
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so, you know me? then whats my name? i know your name. loser mcdouchy. hee hee.
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will kill avatar
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What are you talking about? CGI movies usually suck, do they not? So to make a CGI movie that's getting rave reviews DOES take a lot of talent. And that's exactly what Cameron did. It's not like he stopped working with live-actors and stopped filming the movie himself. It's just a different method.
There's a reason Avatar is getting excellent reviews and responses, and people are claiming it IS in fact the game-changer it was hyped up to be, and it IS the film event of the decade.
If it was just CGI then it would get Lovely Bones or Transformers caliber reviews. Both movies with amazing CGI wizadry, but otherwise awful movies. Word is that Cameorn has made the antithesis to Transformers...the most visually appealing movie ever that actually has a heart and story. Don't underestimate this movie and Camerons skill as a director. He's proven he is NOT George Lucas, and he has an undying talent. -
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/
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the bad reviews are just rolling in. rotten tomatoes will take a bit to reflect that. you know that...
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http://tinyurl.com/yadak39
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Surprise surprise...another glowing review from a revered critic. Now for a nice quote to bring the haters even more tears...
It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected.
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"…Once again, he has silenced the doubters by simply delivering an extraordinary film…"
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Dec 11, 2009 9:08:20 PM CST
EBERT: "…Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I sa
by blakindigo
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"…Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw "Star Wars" in 1977…"
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You're speaking into the wind, my friend.
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I honestly can't help but think that the negative reviews are more the result of anti-hype; the few reviews that I've read all reference incredible hype, eyeball coitus, etc., and their adverse reaction to it.
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by positive reviews? they will still hate the movie so in their minds they're still right. if everyone but you likes a movie, does that make your opinion of it invalid? well no because you still dislike it regardless. for a hater to be "owned", wouldnt that mean they change their tune?
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HOW have we been owned? We who are "haters?" These positive reviews all pretty much confirm just about everything we've been saying the whole time, how the movie is all visuals and no substance.Just because shitty reviewers can't step back from the "jawdropping" "graphics" doesn't mean that anyone in the real human audience is going to give a flying fuck. They won't and we don't. Fuck off. Next week, when AVATAR is a burning wreck at the box-office, we'll have the last laugh. Empty theaters will be the true victory. After all, this isn't the first time critics have fapped themselves into lauding a STUPIDass movie that the public was too smart to go see. We're smarter than Roger Ebert, you know.
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its kind of like checking out redtube
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There is absolutely no doubt. AVATAR will suck. It's going to seriously, seriously suck. Read the fucking reviews if you doubt it. They all say the same thing, they talk about the same stuff. Even these positive reviews point to all the flaws. HOW many reviews talked about having to get used to the silly visuals? HOW many reviews?
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You know I'm right, so there is silence in response. Yeah, bitch!
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Remember when DARK CRYSTAL was a game changer? Look how it did. HAHAHAHAHA AVATAR LOVERS. ENJOY THE NEXT WEEK. IT'S ALL YOU'VE GOT LEFT OF YOUR AVATAR LOVE BEFORE THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD SAYS FUCK YOU.
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By adopting a contrarian point of view that robs you of enjoying the movie on its own merits.
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And that is the opposite of AVATAR. So the hate will flow very soon about this shitty smurf dance movie.
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it's pure shit from start to finish. You can tell from seeing the ads. The part where our hero explains the concept of AVATAR sounds like he is talking to the audience in one of those bullshit "we all had so much fun making this movie" videos. When I realized that dialogue was him being in-character I laughed my ass off, becuase his accent there is different from the rest of the movie, which is why I thought it was one of those bullshit star interviews. But no, that's in the actual movie, in which he explains the plot of the movie, in the movie, to the people in the movie who are supposedly characters in the movie, in a different accent than he usually talks. Are you fucking serious? If we put up with this shit from Big Studio Systems, they will keep making these bullshit mocap motherfucker movies. We need to stop them from making them any more, by not going. Bankrupt Fox! SAY NO TO AVATAR. DO NOT GO SEE IT. DO NOT SPREAD THE HYPE. REFUTE THE HYPE!
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There is no originality of story in anything. Whatever you try to throw at me I guarantee that I've seen it a hundred times before in one way or another and so have you. There hasn't been a new kind of story since people started telling them. So shut up with your claims of unoriginality. Who cares if Avatar is Aliens mixed with The Abyss by way of Dances With Wolves and Last of the Mohicans? There's a reason why this type of story is used over and over and over again. What is that reason? The stories work. Plain and simple. You want to tell me Avatar's story sucks? You add it to the list of the millions of other novels/plays/films/tv shows/oral traditions etc. from around the world that are the same and then fuck right off for being hypocritical ignorant fools. The formula would not be reused as often as it has been if it were total shit. Expand your horizons people. You might end up enjoying life instead of enduring it. The End.
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In the ten minutes since my post no one has responded. I win. Suck it!
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on STUPIDass people. YEAH, bitch!
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the world is shit. Anything we can all do to add to the hate around us is the right thing to do. Suffering is the only thing that links us all together.
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No, not mad. Just pissed off at people being so fucking dumb.
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is a reference to the STUPIDass line in the movie. YEAH BITCH!
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With a perspective like that you must be a very sad little girl. Like I said, expand your horizons and you might just find that your "suffering" is all in your head and mostly bullshit. You will never be anything but a whiny speck as long as you limit yourself with that attitude.
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I'm a girl?
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it's the truth. when you are good to people all you do is open yourself up to be shit on. be strong and tell the world to fuck off. you'd be surprised how much you get out of it, much more than being a STUPIDass pussy and taking it from everybody.
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You're totally right! I should call Help Feed The Nations Of The World and take back my generous donation. I mean those poor starving bastards in Africa have shit on me for the last time. I just won't take any more of their abuse. I guess if I feed them they'll just turn around and give me AIDS right? Or maybe ebola. Man you've really set me straight! Give me a fucking break. If you want to take the easy way out and not challenge yourself to be more than an asshole you have no right to call yourself a human being. You are still a monkey.
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I haven't seen this level of enthusiasm since a little film in 1977 changed everything.
People who seek a little attention by repeatedly crapping on about what you haven't seen is pretty funny.
Whats wrong with a warm hearted feel good movie with spectacular special effects?
Its just for entertainment. It wont solve world hunger or bring peace, its just entertainment. If you don't like it don't see it. Quite simple really. -
You do know that the only thing that happens when you pay Feed the Nation is you either pay off some rich dude who's taking the money off the top or if it actually gets used to buy food then the dictators who run those places force the food to not be delivered by setting up intentional roadblocks so it rots. Right? You're not so dumb you really think it makes it to the people? Because it doesn't. Dude, they actually have to create fake 'hope' scenes so they can film those commercials. Read up on some of the truth about those charities. You're throwing your money right the fuck away. you stupidASS. And at least a monkey knows when it's got shit thrown at it. you smile and ask for more.
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IT'S BULLSHIT. Don't you get it? Warm hearted? Feel good? That is fucking nonsense, you stupid shit. And it also is all about promoting insurgents in Iraq.
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All I wanted to do was make a comment about a film on a film website and now you've turned me into your own personal life coach.
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How many more conspiracy theories can you dream up RefutetheHype.
Calm down mate, its only a movie. And if people walk out of the theatre clapping and cheering as they did in London, surely bringing a bit of happiness is not wrong. Or is it?
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It's criminal, smack. Because here's the real shit I'll lay down for you. If people LIKE this smurf insurgent bullshit, they're fucking stupid. If they don't like it, it's still a shitty movie that cost $500 million fucking dollars to make. Think about it. There is no WIN with this shit. There is only fail.
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What you say makes no sense. If i like Avatar im stupid and if i don't like it then it cost too much to make?
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If you like it, then you're someone who likes bullshit stories about fucking insurgents killing american soldiers. And if you don't like it, then you are smarter than most but it's still this huge load of shit stinking up the movies that could have been made about good stuff. So there is no win, there is only fail. And that sucks.
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I'm a long time lurker who has not talked before, but I have to finally fucking speak out now that the reviews are here. This is pure bullshit. these critics fucking hate their own fucking country.
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I hate America AND Avatar at the same time?
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YES! You nailed everything about it, except you didn't attack Cameron's unpatriotic views and his blatant promotion of terrorism.
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Then you're a pile of SHIT and slightly smarter than most douches on here.
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Dec 12, 2009 12:38:13 AM CST
How does a critic from This is London hate their own country?
by blakindigo
Most of the reviews aren't from America you know. There's a really big world out there RefutetheHype and you might be surprised that people from outside the U.S.A have opinions also.
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I meant the US critics. London fucks are going to hate the US anyway. Watch NPR or BBC and listen to how much USHate there is. That's like saying peanut butter is gooey.
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And what the fuck are you people doing in Iraq anyway.
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It's a big, big country. What has the U.S.A ever done to you?
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Not sure about Avatar, though. I haven't seen it yet.
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This isn't "Glen Beck truth" is it? Because that load of diarrhea could easily cost a human life, if it isn't involved with increasing the price of gold for that cocksmoker...
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saving your asses from Hitler 3.0 and his friends.
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Don't take this wrong. Seriously. But I didn't understand ANYTHING you said. Can you say it again in a different way? I don't have a clue what you meant.
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saving your asses from Glen Beck 1.0 and his crocodile tears.
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given the choice between navi (terrorists) and quaritch (glenn beck) who do you really choose when there is a crisis?
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RefutetheHype is Star Wars the same as Avatar? We have Luke and Leia(terrorists) fighting the Evil Galactic Empire(America).
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yeah, actually, it kind of is, esp. when you think how Lucas basically wrote the whole thing about how bad America was for Vietnam, hence the "Empire." And the emperor was meant to be Richard Nixon. He even says so.
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Lucas "wrote," in which it talks about how the Emperor had advisors and helpers but secreted himself into his chambers more and more and gave up on the people and made all kinds of unfairs laws, etc. Nixon.
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The fictional character Quaritch is portrayed as a distinguished and experienced military advisor. Glenn Beck was never a soldier, nor a consultant for any military organization.That being said, in a crisis, I wouldn't choose Glenn Beck for anything.
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Avatar is "bevy largely CGI". Your eyes will be spell-fucked in 1 week, people. Reprare!
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Because if we're going by a strict definition, isn't he and the rest of the crew killing innocent people?
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Glenn Beck has been directly connected with bullshit alarmism and a corresponding increase in the price of gold. Which he sells on the side of his lousy program.
Oh, and as the most closeted homosexual currently in existence, he's proven a sad, miserable hypocrite hating himself with every greedy paycheck...well, that mess easily explains itself. So be it. -
bullshit. people like Beck are the ones who end up being turned to in bad times, hence his popularity in the US. Human beings are just terrible. I hate seeing people be kind or charitable to other people becasue it is such a lie, especially at the holidays. I smile whenever I hear stories about people fucking eachother up on the holidays, because it proves the truth over the lie. People are bad, period, and any attempt to sugar coat it is bullshit. Human beings fight, period, it's all they know how to do, and anything else is a momentary lie of bullshit. It's why the talkbacks are good representations of what people are really like. Free of the social rules, they shit all over eachother and act like fucking awful momnsters. Because that's what people are, and the sooner you accept it the closer we can get to being true.
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Glen Beck is crazy? What?!
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Neo? Yeah, that's a perfect example. The whole POINT of the MATRIX movies is a power fantasy for bullshit preteens about never giving up being a stupid kid, playing video games and learning kung fu instead of getting an office job or being part of the "machine." REBEL! PLAY VIDEO GAMES ALL DAY! DANCE AROUND IN ZION! YOU ARE NOT THE MAN! FIGHT THE MAN. Look at WANTED. Same shit.
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the washawskis are into s&m and trannyfication so that's a good example of what they preach.
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actually, if i had the power i would fucking ban those matrix movies for being so shitty about how life really is and tricking people into shit.
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now they're just the washedupskis so it doesn't matter really. lol.
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Aliens are insurgents against Americas interests in that planet
Terminators come back in time to fuck with America.
True Lies, say no more.
Titanic, Why the fuck didn't that ship reach America.
Piranha2, those piranha fucking with your freedom.
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Are you a Twilight fan?...
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aliens was a good movie, had good heroes. terminator was good, terminator 2 is shit (I wuv you daddy wobot! is true, whoever said it a long time ago). TITANIC is shit. PIRANHA 2 is shit.
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No I may be a girl but I fucking hate that sparkly bullshit. I'm over here on team FuckYouAll.
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But, you seem a bit cynical on humanity. You seem to be talking about social hierarchy and learned behaviour. Talkbacks aren't a good representation of what people are really like, it's artifice of the most exaggerated kind. People post responses to get a response from the social network and the platform it provides for them. They engage with others for validation and consensus. They alienate others by responding to posts and queries all the while being moderated by the administrators. Aren't we as humans basically replicating simian behaviour?
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Don't they sound warped in the same sorta way, though?
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yep, throwing shit around.
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No. Spymunk can eat shit. And he probably would like it from what he said about that.
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GIANT, EAST OF EDEN, BREATHLESS the original one not the remake, THE GHOST AND MRS MUIR, LAVENDAR HILL MOB, ARSENIC AND OLD LACE
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Do you mean Larry/Lani Wachowski? I thought that was a rumour?
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I thought it was real?
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still don't know what transgender people have to do with terrorism. Can you give other examples of terrorist ideology as heroic subtext in SF movies?
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Just because I'm a girl does also not mean I am fat or ugly to be on here. I'm black and proud and beautiful and good-looking and yes, I like real men not pussy men.
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it's not about sf it's about movies playing out to the weirdest parts of the group instead of the truth like hey everyone is weird so let's all be weird together there is no such thing as normal. bs.
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you can cut off your dick, put tits on your chest and you know what? you are still a dude. you will always be a dude. You're just a dude dumb enough to cut off his own dick trying to be a girl. hahahaha!
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is like saying that every time-zone runs on the same schedule; Japan is 14 hours ahead of Miami.
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Remember that Spymunk was actually a CHUD spy who was doing an "experiment". Hype's MO feels the same.
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it's like that one person said, I don't know what normal is but I know it when I see it.
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Don't insult my shit. I hated that bitch.
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And I'm someone who liked it, but I'm not going to lie about the reviews. Don't fool yourself.
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I've lurked here for years, NEVER posted, but this bullshit thread was the breaking of the ice for me, the tipping point of stupid shit. I had to speak.
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That was a quote regarding pornography. To some people James Dean was normal. To others he was bi-curious. Anyway, let's get back to SF and the terrorist subtext in modern cinema.
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Are you serious? People were cumming on the streets for it BEFORE it came out. Once it came out, they all changed their tune.
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I don't think it's really about terrorists or IRAQ for real. I think it is just as simple as artists are often pussies who get beat up so they grow up resentful of the man so they side with any group that's against the man, the "weak" against the "strong." They side with the side that's fighting the big tough opressor because they are working out their bullied shit kid years on the screen.
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More like lukewarm to tepid. The minstrel antics of Jar Jar Binks didn't help.
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—the stereotype of the "weak artist" doesn't work when applied to filmmakers like Frank Capra (war photographer), Samuel Fuller (war photographer), Rod Serling (did time in the Philippines during WWII) and numerous others. Also, artists like Oliver Stone and even writers like Harlan Ellison (joined a street gang in Red Hook, Brooklyn). You can look at Gordon Parks (first Black American Director hired by a studio) or even Quincy Jones (who carried a pistol at 13 years old in rough and tumble Chicago).Simply put, the idea of the effete artist is simply another stereotype just as the idea of an artist who lives in the garret and creates masterpieces that go unseen. There are too many artists who come from struggle, real struggle where there are no options to break from the values considered 'normal' and explore something deeper. Try telling somebody like the animator Ralph Bakshi (who grew up in East New York, Brooklyn) about being a "pussy". You'd be surprised what it takes to be an artist in a culture that is suspicious of art.
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Notice that most of those people are from the past? That's exactly what I mean.
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-to hate bullies. All it takes is a little compassion and functioning moral compass. Which artists tend to have.
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You just made a massive, almost audible 'CLICK' go off in my head when you mentioned Princess Mononoke. For being a fantasy set in historical Japan, that movie has a LOT of similarities of mood and theme with what Avatar seems to be about.
Note how the conflict of Mononoke was between humans using the woods, and the animals/spirits fighting back... but both sides were presented sympathetically, and the hero was a lone individual who was at times hated by both sides, because he was working to actually resolve the situation.
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How about writer Chuck Palahnluk? Or film director Alejandro González Iñárritu? How about performers like 50 Cent or music producers like Goldie? There are too many examples to give credence to your argument.
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Really? That's fine to think. But is it really bullying? Or is it just a case of people figuring out who's going to reach the top of the pile and who's not? It's nice to make up shit to suggest bullies are evil people, but isn't it also possible the artist kid is just weird?
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You mean the guy who shits on every soldier who ever fought in a war?
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Except for one thing. In that movie, the humans aren't sympathetic. The humans are leeching off the land and it is the land that is portrayed as beautiful and noble. Same with PONYO. Same with SPIRITED AWAY. The humans in his movies are ALWAYS the bad guy.
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Can hate it, and that's fine. Nobody can tell them they SHOULDN'T hate it.
What has been disproved are the haters who said the film will be a critical failure, and some said that.
In a week, the haters who said this will be a financial failure will be disproved.
And maybe, in a couple years, the haters who said this WOULDN'T be a game-changer will be disproved. I don't know about that, yet.
So, the haters can hate, and that's fine... as long as they don't make ludicrous claims of fact that will be refuted. -
Or trolling... Spymunk ;)
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two tours in Vietnam. The guy who was shot in Vietnam. The guy who has veterans thanking him for respecting their sacrifice. Yeah, that guy.
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"it doesnt take directorial skill to make a cgi laden affair...lucas proved that with the prequels"
Just the opposite... I think that Lucas proved that CGI laden affairs most definitely DO require directorial skill... one that he completely lacked. If money, effort, and technical competence was all a good CGI pic needs, the prequel trilogy would have been great. -
it's human greed and selfishness that mucks things up. The humans aren't sympathetic because they don't pay attention to their surroundings; they're too focused on short term (and ill-gotten) gains. Miyazaki seems to be attacking human ignorance and selfishness.
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I didn't know BORN ON THE 4TH OF JULY was a pro-war movie. My mistake.
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I didn't know BORN ON THE 4TH OF JULY was a pro-war movie. My mistake.
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>Except for one thing. In that movie, the humans aren't sympathetic. The humans are leeching off the land and it is the land that is portrayed as beautiful and noble. Same with PONYO. Same with SPIRITED AWAY. The humans in his movies are ALWAYS the bad guy.
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Let me reformat that:
"Except for one thing. In that movie, the humans aren't sympathetic. The humans are leeching off the land and it is the land that is portrayed as beautiful and noble. Same with PONYO. Same with SPIRITED AWAY. The humans in his movies are ALWAYS the bad guy. "
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As for warped, no. Have you ever taught at a school? I have done TA work in grade school and high school. My observation is that the bullied kids are all the weird kids who seem like any minute they will do a school shooting. The bullies tend to be just kids trying to be left alone but the arrogant kids give them constant shit and then get surprised when they get laid out for it.
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As for Spymunk, he was a cocksucking creep. I'm glad he's gone. I'd call him other things but I hear you get banned for it.
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"The bullies tend to be just kids trying to be left alone but the arrogant kids give them constant shit and then get surprised when they get laid out for it."
I suspect that NOBODY in this talkback will agree with you. I certainly won't. "Bullies" are bad kids, on their way to being bad humans, because they don't understand rule number one of human behavior. -
"The Green Berets" is a pro-war movie. And, an embarrassing one at that.
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I'm a hater. Nothing has been disproved. Nobody said the critics weren't asswipes. And look! they are!
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And my queefs have more to say than Spymunk. And they're smarter.
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Seriously now, what's rule #1 to you?
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and tried to invite/force other kids to 'work' for them. They would rob kids after-school for the 'sport'.
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"it's human greed and selfishness that mucks things up."
I don't think it's that clear cut. It's greed and selfishness of SOME humans, and SOME animals. There's a reason the hero doesn't side with the humans OR the animals, and doesn't raise arms against the townspeople; and there's a reason the apes and boars are shown as making the problem worse with their anger.
Princess Mononoke, herself, is a human; and her hatred of humans is something she had to grow out of. The hatred and fear from ALL sides are causing the problem. I think the movie is far deeper than just a "humans are bad" screed.
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Don't initiate force against another human to get your way.
Somebody who doesn't understand that is either a child (like many bullies), or a psychopathic adult. -
Dec 12, 2009 2:55:25 AM CST
Toonol, I completely agree. It's definitely NOT a 'bad human' sc
by blakindigo
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Ehhhhhh, I see it different. Like I said, I worked as a TA, and still do from time to time and grade papers (you wouldn't believe some of the shit kids say in those papers, it's so funny). Most of the time, I still say, it is the bullies who are getting picked on by the uppityass "smart kids." It is not the old football player punching the kid with glasses joke. Nerds have been the target of justifiable anger forever.
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because they're annoying as hell
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You ever wonder why the bully that hit the kid in the face to get him to shut up about STAR TREK (was that you?) doesn't ever get in trouble? It's because the teachers and the rest of the class are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad the bully made the nerd stop talking about STAR TREK. KTHXBYE.
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If we make really sure one person feels like complete shit for liking STAR TREK every day, haven't we done our jobs on this planet? :)
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"There were whoops and cheers as portions of the audience gave Cameron and cast members, including Sigourney Weaver and Sam Worthington, a standing ovation."WOW! PORTIONS OF THE AUDIENCE LIKED IT! YOU HEAR THAT, HATERS? FAIL!
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the truth about the screening not going so hot is coming out. Portions. LOVE IT HATERS!
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But some audience members took issue with the storyline. Andrew James, 27, said: "The plot is by the numbers, very much what I expected. You know, you've got the courageous army guy, you've got the native women, they're all very much caricatures. But, I couldn't help buying into it."
"There were parts that you couldn't help but chuckle at," Howard said of some of the dialogue which he found cheesy. "I know I'm going to talk about it and think I don't like it as much later on, but right now I thought it was absolutely amazing."
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you heard even one remark in an article about a premiere form anyone who said "eh, it was ok, not that great" like those commnets above. Are any of us surprised?
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back to lurk mode.
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...to wipe my ass with his tongue. I think he'd be good for that. Anything else, nah.Let me see if I can understand this: Indigent culture gets attacked by a technologically superior race in order to pillage their natural resources and when they fight back, it makes them the bad guys by default? Wow, I never realized manifest destiny was invented by Jesus!
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Dec 12, 2009 5:14:51 AM CST
Even CHUD loved it -" score of 9.2, a masterpiece"
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Very good review over there by Nick Nunziata, who used to be an asshole, but now appears to have moved on and grown up. Much respect. However his pathetic and delusional colleague, Devin Faraci, will still wallow in the shit. What a loser. Even his own site has turned against him.
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According to reviews Avatar is:James Cameron's masterpieceLives up to all the hype - several reviews have pointed out that it is indeed a 'game-changer'Has an emotional and engaging story and characters - even CHUD said the 'dialogue and execution is excellent', despite the hater's protestations to the contrary.Great performances across the board - Lang deserves an oscar nomHighly likely to be a Golden Globe and Oscar lock for best picture nominations.Ah, isn't life fucking fantastic? Roll on next week, and prepare for Avatar to fuck your eyeballs.
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But some audience members took issue with the storyline. Andrew James, 27, said: "The plot is by the numbers, very much what I expected. You know, you've got the courageous army guy, you've got the native women, they're all very much caricatures. But, I couldn't help buying into it." "There were parts that you couldn't help but chuckle at," Howard said of some of the dialogue which he found cheesy. "I know I'm going to talk about it and think I don't like it as much later on, but right now I thought it was absolutely amazing." "The thing is, he's trying to cram a really complicated storyline into a blockbuster format so he has to rely on some cliches," said Lisa Armstrong, 35, from Nottingham.
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There were whoops and cheers as portions of the audience gave Cameron and cast members, including Sigourney Weaver and Sam Worthington, a standing ovation
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Dec 12, 2009 5:59:36 AM CST
RefutetheHype, stop embarrassing yourself
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Are you so mindlessly obsessed that my posts - or, indeed, any posts in Avatar's favor - get you so worked up? I had to laugh at this especially - "Turd_Wont_Chuckle_When_Box_Offic e_Returns_Are_In" - There is NO question whatsoever that this will be a box office smash. Get used to it.It's OVER, son. You, and your foul, knuckle-dragging hater brethren, have LOST. You can now move on to the Hobbit movies, or Tintin, or whatever else. Or perhaps, just perhaps, you can acquire some fucking self-respect.
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I'm not your son.
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BOUAHAHAHAHA,there,there,tap,tap,tap,its ok,it doesnt matter that you got owned,you know what they say,time is the greatest healer,eventually you will come through this huge defeat of yours,even forget about it,well until next time when you will get owned again by Cameron's next movie.
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Let me get this straight: any story dealing with a native/indigenous population being subjugated and exploited by a technologically and/or militarily superior nation-state or culture is by definition anti-American?
That would make The Patriot and Red Dawn the most anti-American movies ever produced.
Jesus Christ, some of you are too fucking dumb to walk on two legs much less be alive. I'd be surprised if you cretinous jacktards had enough brain wattage to operate your own sphincters. -
I was just out in the real world at a work Xmas Party and started talking about Avatar, and enthusiasm was low, Main issues seem to be Stupid Glasses and blue smurfs, but before anyone gets too excited, none of them saw Titanic or any Lord of the Rings at the cinema either but "The Hangover" was great. I previously said a billion by years end, I might drop that to Half a billion now. But i will still be there Thursday, at the BIGGEST IMAX screen in the world.
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Dec 12, 2009 6:47:57 AM CST
Haters, this ain't looking too hot for you
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
but Roger Ebert has just give Avatar his highest rating of 4 stars. Bear in mind, this is a guy who hates 3D and was seriously unimpressed with the Avatar Day preview (though god knows why).Hmm, I wonder if Gene Siskel's corpse will rise from the grave in tribute as well, and allow the duo to reprise their classic 'two thumbs up...way, way up' schtick? Well, why not? Avatar has proved that miracles really do happen!
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the same guy who was very disappointed in the August's screen preview,after this the haters should do a harakiri just to escape from their disgraceful defeat.
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YOU'RE ALL FUCKED ! HAHAHAHAHAHA
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YOU'RE FUCKIN DEAD ! GO COMMIT SUICIDE YOU PATHETIC PIMP !
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Dec 12, 2009 9:30:41 AM CST
Ominous, the thing you "urged" me to write is up...
by fa_tass_dinomolester
I notice you're still not telling me I don't know shit about this movie. Interesting. In general, the Avatards are fucking nuts, and the more evidence surfaces that the film won't be the "game changer" they think it will be, the more hysterical and deranged their posts get. And then they claim the "haters" are the ones who are desperate. Why would we be desperate? We're not pulling for a shitty CGI-fest to win every film-oriented award for the next ten years, gross 5 billion dollars, and fuck the audience in the face while Zoe Saldana and Sigourney Weaver circa 1979 blow them into oblivion! BTW, the score leaked online a couple days ago, and it sucks. Horner even brings back the 4-note "evil motif". And Turd, kindly go drop dead.
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...how this movie has some sort of anti-American message are overlooking one important thing: the hero of the movie is a fucking MARINE. From the materials I’ve seen, the message seems to be that military in the service of corporate interests = bad, military in the service of protecting those incapable of protecting themselves = good.
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Dec 12, 2009 10:23:09 AM CST
REFUTETHEHYPE - SO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY TO KILL OTHERS
by bringingsexyback
in order to steal their resources?
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Actually, I think those of us who have been looking forward to the film are just having a little fun at the expense of all the people who told us we were assholes for doing so, now that THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO’VE SEEN IT ARE GIVING IT POSITIVE REVIEWS. 91% on RT, and since critics are usually tougher on movies than John Q. Public, I would assume the approval rating among the “average” moviegoer will probably be a bit higher…maybe 95%, which is, coincidentally, the approval numbers that the test screenings pulled, according to Cameron.
We have been listening to and endless litany of pseudo-clever remarks about how stupid we are to be excited for this movie for MONTHS, and you really think we AREN’T going to tell you all to fuck off and die now that the movie is obviously a success for Cameron on a creative level?
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Dec 12, 2009 10:26:31 AM CST
EVEN MY FRIEND, WHO IS THE MOST DIE-HARD GLENN BECK FANATIC
by bringingsexyback
thinks it's never okay to exploit others' resources, and in the case of the Na'vi, have an absolute right to defend themselves in the face of assault.
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RefutetheHype isn't a girl. Also, 'she' isn't black.
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Because I just gave it my stamp of approval.
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to put out such an anti-American movie?
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Dec 12, 2009 10:31:24 AM CST
REFUTETHEHYPE IS RIGHT - THIS MOVIE IS ANTI-AMERICAN
by bringingsexyback
Boycott Fox News!!!!!
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can understand people being pessimistic to something they have not seen in its entirety, but the hate is ridiculous.
And now to make it look more ridiculous, the consensus of those who have seen it and review movies for a living is at minimum positive and in many cases is very to extremely positive (i.e. 4 stars from ebert).
saying all that this site never fails to deliver crazy and ridiculous, the hate against Star Trek and Dark Knight is further proof of this. -
Dec 12, 2009 10:32:41 AM CST
THE HERO IS NOT ONLY A MARINE, BUT AN AMERICAN MARINE
by bringingsexyback
The best kind around, in my pro-American opinion.
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Dec 12, 2009 10:33:52 AM CST
Glenn Beck fanatic - hope he is taking his medication
by miyamoto_musashi
and doesn't work in a post office
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Dec 12, 2009 10:35:37 AM CST
MIYAMOTO - THE HATERS ARE AN INSIGNIFICANT MINORITY
by bringingsexyback
Just like the teabaggers. They're obnoxious, smelly, and raise a lotta hell. But in the end analysis, they mean nothing.
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which makes me very happy.
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Dec 12, 2009 10:40:51 AM CST
Fa Tass Turkey Molester, I told you to pull
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
your fucking boots up, and to stop making a colossal ass of yourself! If not for me, at least have some respect for yourself!
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Dec 12, 2009 10:41:09 AM CST
BBC REPORTS SCREAMS OF "AHHH ME EYEBALLS!!!!!!!!!!"
by bringingsexyback
emanating from theaters across England.
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who realizes the "error" of his ways and goes off to join the Tealiban.
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And she's normally not a fan of ground-breaking films that give you an immersive experience in another world.
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where the navi all pray to a magic tree like mecca bowing and rolling around because it is a magic religion tree and they want to be all part of allah, wait no i mean mother tree
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"...the more hysterical and deranged their posts get."Pot calling kettle. Seriously, are you completely oblivious to your own retardedness? While, as GeneralJackCosmo pointed out, those of us championing Avatar are just having a little fun, you clowns are deadly serious. Truly sad.
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no idea what the burr in your ass is all about, but the existence of my clitoris clearly means I have a bigger dick than you.
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Dec 12, 2009 10:46:57 AM CST
REFUTETHEHYPE - SO YOU'RE EQUATING THE PEACEFUL NA'VI TO THE TAL
by bringingsexyback
Am I reading you right?
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so you're saying "that's what she said?" :) "It looks like a game changer to me!" "That's what she said!"
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oh yeah that's right I forgot the movie sets up a situation where the peaceful navi, who have no idea how to fight, suddenly have weapons that don't exist and animal attack creatures and war plans that don't exist and they just magically all learn how to fight suddenly because they never fight. I forgot.
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"They've sent us a message - that they can insult whomever they want.Well, we will send THEM a message - That this, this is James Cameron's land!!"And yes, sweethearts, this IS a game-changer, as all reviews have pointed out.
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Dec 12, 2009 10:50:28 AM CST
MAGIC TREE? SOUNDS MORE LIKE WORSHIPPING THE CROSS TO ME.
by bringingsexyback
Since both trees and crosses are made of wood.
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Though you may be a bitch.
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Yeah, I've TAed in literature courses It's part of my job. The point is they are portraying them as worshipping mystical symbols and the earth people are horrible nonreligious people who don't seem to gert what Pocahontas is trying to tell them until John Smith says it's all true but they don't listen. Oh, and no the navi don't worship anything as human as a cross. That has a human on it. No, they worship plants and animals and the tree, which if you accept the idea they are all one connected organism means they are worshipping themselves, which even makes less sense, but it does mean they can get a mecca type scene in there where they all bow in the same direction and dance for the god woman.
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Dec 12, 2009 10:54:27 AM CST
YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND OFFENSIVE? DIAMOND-ENCRUSTED CROSSES.
by bringingsexyback
Something about that just irks the fuck out of me.
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Dec 12, 2009 10:56:10 AM CST
I THINK THE IDEA OF WORSHIPPING NATURE IS BEAUTIFUL
by bringingsexyback
And judging by your posts, I pity anyone who has ever attended your literature classes. Refunds are in order.
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the only lump i've ever had between my legs was when your daddy was giving me what he called his special kiss. your mom wanted to join him there but he couldn't handle two women at once.
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I obviously haven’t seen the movie, yet, but I was under the impression that the “military” in the movie is actually private contractors, like XE (Blackwater), and not the actual military. I certainly could be wrong, though.
That said, even if it IS the actual military, if Jake believes their actions to be criminal, it is his DUTY to disobey any orders he judges as such. Of course he isn’t obligated to take up arms and fight against them, but the point is, it isn’t some sarcastic “seeing the error of his ways” thing…if they are performing criminal acts, he is right on every conceivable level—ethically, legally, etc.—to NOT go along with it.
I am pretty sure the wholesale slaughter of an indigenous population in order to pilfer said population’s natural resources is NOT something the Military Code of Conduct officially smiles upon…
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try to follow the rest of the class. I'm a TA. Not a teacher. I do substitute teaching sometimes.
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Sounds to me like the Na'vi worship life itself. Sooo crazy...
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ok, bsb, you just proved you're fucking mental to everyone reading this thing. anyone with half a brain knows that the very idea of nature isn't even a real concept. it's something that got invented around the time of Emerson and Thoreau because they were so opposed to human beings they had to create something opposite of human beings so where they disliked cities they said this over here is nature. Before that time, "nature" was considered to be wasted space in need of buildings because people were starvin to death for lack of food and any other viewpoint was looked at as being retarded.
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since you name yourself after justin timberlake, i'm not surprised you don't know there are other body parts than penises. I'll let it slide this time just like i did your daddy with my toys.
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you seem to be the only person talking right now with a brain other than myself btw. Good post.
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So what? Just because you study the martial ways, doesn’t mean you go out looking for battle all the time. Look at Shaolin monks: they are religious figures devoted to peace, yet they choose to spend their lives mastering ancient and quite lethal fighting systems.
There is nothing wrong with knowing how to defend oneself and one’s possessions, loved ones, etc.
Not to mention the fact that the Na’vi are obviously a society of hunters, similar to Native Americans, so of course they know how to use arrows, spears, etc. If they want to eat meat, they obviously need to know how to capture and kill shit.
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my personal view is its all about imaginary friends, but at least the Navi are worshipping something that is pivotal to their life.
If the worse thing that comes from their worshipping is greater respect for their ecosystem, then its not such a bad thing.
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to me, it is about controlling the information with terms of the navi. it just pisses me off when our own soldiers keep getting shafted by the movies. as i said my mom died in Iraq and my whole family believes in what she was doing there. There were people who were thanking her all over for taking down Hussein, because now the children would have a shot at living. We saw letters she had been given from people who said she was an angel for saving them because they were Christians and Hussein was finding and killing all the Christians. Did you hear that on the news? Or in the movies? No? How come? Ask those kinds of questions the next time you see Cameron. Why is he saying soldiers are bad, insurgents are good? I really don't think that I am making this up, because it sure does look like they are saying the soldiers are all evil.
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That's my guess.
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you bring up a good point on the idea of hunting, I hadn't thought of that on my own. I mainly found it funny to think of them saying no no we are peaceful what someone is tryin to hurt us GET THE PEACEFUL WEAPONS!
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Dec 12, 2009 11:10:32 AM CST
UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING YOUR MOM WENT TO IRAQ FOR THEIR OIL
by bringingsexyback
Stop denigrating her memory with your stupid comparisons you dumbfuck. Have more respect.
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is talking about why the unobtainium is needed. will it make it so artificial limbs and hearts can be made? will it save billions of lives on Earth if we get it? Will it improve the human condition so far that people never hasve to die? I bet it's never talked about in the movie, the benefits earth would use it for instead of letting it sit underground and do nothing.
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is talking about why the unobtainium is needed. will it make it so artificial limbs and hearts can be made? will it save billions of lives on Earth if we get it? Will it improve the human condition so far that people never hasve to die? I bet it's never talked about in the movie, the benefits earth would use it for instead of letting it sit underground and do nothing.
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hahahahahahahahaha girls have taints too you moron
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The story of your life.
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YOU are the one who denigrated my mom. So STFU.
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Like I said, you like Justin Timberlake so you must be really confused about gender.
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I understand what you are saying, but I just don’t think comparing the Na’vi to Saddam’s regime is a fair comparison. There are clearly very few similarities, if any. And unless the movie features Na’vi attacking humans for religious reasons BEFORE the humans begin killing them for the Unobtanium, I don’t think it’s fair to compare them to Taliban/Afghani insurgents either.
Not to mention the fact that I am certain this movie does not open with a Na’vi terrorist attack on a human colony…some sci-fi version of 9/11.
I appreciate your family’s sacrifice, I truly do, and I consider myself to be very patriotic and support the troops 100% (even if I don’t always agree with the mission we have sent them on), but I also think the idea that the American military is always right, no matter what, is a little naïve. We are human beings, just like every other military on the planet, and some humans are pieces of shit. Just because you go through military training, you can still come out the other end just as much of an asshole as you were when you went in. A military as large as ours represents a sampling of the population, so there are going to be some sociopaths in there, although obviously we try to screen them out…some do get through. Plus, PTSD can make people behave in ways that are totally alien to them naturally.
I guess my point is, and again, I have not seen the movie, but I don’t think Cameron is saying the military is always bad or wrong: he seems to simply be saying that what they are doing on Pandora is wrong, and some of the individuals in said military are obviously being presented as having a few screws loose.
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He is saying humans are selfish, greedy , and when we want something, we seem to care little about anything or anyone else .
Whether it be the British in Africa or Spanish in South America or Western Powers in Iraq. Its all about what we want, screw the locals. And the same story is repeated time after time.
With Iraq just like other times in history am sure there are some positive outcomes. Don't doubt that. But there are a lot of negatives, generally a lot more for the local populace.
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I think they say it is fuel if I am not mistaken. I would guess for their spacecraft.
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is doing its job perfectly at brainwashing the american citizens.its ok mate,someday you too will wake up.
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Right now though my pitbull Zuul is doing his magical dance to tell me that he REALLY needs his walk. I'll be back later to respond.
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what the Unobtanium is used for.
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That many of the films people point to as un-American in their portrayals of the military are not trying to denigrate the armed forces. On the contrary, I think by forcing us to confront some of the more shameful aspects of military behavior, the filmmakers are usually trying to say “come on people, we are better than this.” Since we are usually talking about films made by Americans for Americans, I would argue that the filmmakers are actually great patriots, because they believe that in America we should hold ourselves to a higher standard and NEVER tolerate such behavior from our military.
I think what Cameron, and others, are trying to say is, it is NOT okay for us to do this. This is NOT what we should be about. We are better than that.
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...in the mocumentary-style clip narrated by Sigourney she says the Unobtanium is used to produce fuel. I only watched it once, though, and it was very late, and I was very high.
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Dec 12, 2009 11:46:00 AM CST
Army just like Politicias,are a fucking tool for the big Capital
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of every fucking country.
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but I think he would agree with what your saying to a point. First and foremost though, the soldiers are simply characters for telling his story. One good, one bad and everyone else in between. He doesn't start out with an agenda to portray any one in a certain way in order to make a point.
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just make sure Zuu gets a good lick before the neighbours see both of you doin' the 'magical dance'.Musashi I completely agree, he's obviously not saying soldiers are evil, especially since the main character is a former Marine. Because the concept of 'Avatar' pulls from epic SF of the past, much like E.E Doc Smith and uses the general concept of 'the noble savage' which goes back to the 17th Century, the political allegory seems more upfront than it really is. These concepts are indeed timeless and not intended to be convenient handles addressing modern day platitudes.
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But I think he is an American citizen
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Did you ever notice that James Cameron is a adrenaline junkie? How he enjoys shooting AK-47s in the desert, or that he loves fast cars and has a well established relationship with military folks? He obviously isn't a shrinking violet when it comes to ordinance. He seems to enjoy the energy and excitement of 'Le Grand Adventure.' It's just amazing that the myopic visions of certain right leaning critics take personal offense at the projected meaning of his stories without putting them in context.
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I remember hearing that his home in CA was destroyed by one of the wildfires last year.
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The guy pretty much has a military hardware/weapons fetish, if you ask me, because his camera makes sweet love to the hardware on display in every movie he has made.
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The New Yorker profile on him a couple months back said he was in the process of becoming a citizen but decided against it after the 2004 election.
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game is Modern Warfare 2.he is that geek.
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Um no. Sorry, that's an extremely simplistic and provincial definition that applies ONLY to literary concepts of 'nature' in the West. The many esoteric religious ideas of nature have been around for millennia (and includes some branches of Christianity). Pagens, Celts, the Norse idea of Yggdrasil all contain elements of nature worship—and that's just in ancient European theology.
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the people of that multi-national corporation who use the Army for their dirty deeds.although i think the movie will end with both sides both as winners and losers or to reach a mutual understanding and acceptance to each other.
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an iconic pop character,along with Agent Smith,Roy Batty,etc
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8% OF CRITICS DON’T LIKE IT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! WE TOLD YOU AVATARDS THIS MOVIE WAS GOING TO SUCK!!! WHEN HAVE 8% OF CRITICS EVER BEEN WRONG? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! FENRGULLY! DANCES WITH SMURFS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I LIVE A JOYLESS LIFE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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I am done talking about this movie until I have seen it. cheers.
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insert coin to continue ROFL
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For the older geeks here that remember this ESSENTIAL site from the late 90's, here is a special treat: http://tiny.cc/corona (That's the WHOLE list, in case you'd like to look at more than Avatar) Take a trip down memory lane of old Avatar development rumors.One of my favorite snippets is from '97: "...Cameron has become incredibly anal in his attention to detail," another source wrote. "He no longer seems to have any conception of time or budgetary constraints. He's willing to tinker and edit and reshoot and drag things out for months, claiming that absolutely *everything* points to his 'artistic credibility,' and that even the slightest goof, oversight, or inaccuracy will end his career." The source also mentioned that the concept for the Avatar project changed with Cameron once DD completed its initial test footage and found that it couldn't deliver flawless CGI human characters on screen."In '97, I'd swing by my local library to keep up to date with CCA, (and AICN, of course) -- sometimes I'd have to wait for the Titanic geekettes to vacate the public terminals, heh.
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it looks very interesting
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I used to send them scoops when I worked in Hollywood back in 1999/2000. That brings back a lot of great memories!
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Wish Patrick had integrated all of the old database into the new site, but, if he did, I can't find the old stuff.
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Earlier today I was reading one of Harry's first interviews with Cameron about Avatar and the interview ends with Cameron saying he's being evacuated because of the fire.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31191
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Like Ebert, he makes the Star Wars comparison.
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http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-motion-captured/posts/the-m-c-review-cameron-s-avatar-delivers-transports-delights
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http://tiny.cc/newcca
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and all of the time that's passed, it's amazing that Avatar really was his next film after Titanic.
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Dec 12, 2009 1:57:45 PM CST
So...I'm going to be lectured about the evils of Capitalism,
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the need to be "Green" and respect nature, and how it is wrong to "exploit" people by "Thank god for $2 a day foreign labor" Hollywood, Fox studios, and a Canadian guy with a fleet of cars, a private jet, and two side by side 20,000sq ft + houses in Malibu alone?Ha! Now that is fucking rich.
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That's all well and good nut dude, HAVE YOU SEEN THESE AVATAR REVIEWS? You should. You really should. Oh, and wipe the side of your mouth. I left you a little present there. By, bitch. That's your new name now, by the way.
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is on the ol' Corona list. Just one rumor: a domain registered by 20th Century Fox... NO names attached... that just gives me goosebumps :)
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Thanks JC. The story may be old school...but I like what you do for my bottom line!
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What's it like to be on the complete opposite side of public opinion? We find out in less than a week. See you there, sweetlips.
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Can't wait to see all the scantily-clad blue females at next year's comic conventions.
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My God, I LOVED that website in the late 90s. Everyday I'd visit AICN, then Corona to read the latest news. I was very sad when it disappeared, and though I like Corona's newsite just fine, it doesn't have the same magic as the old one did (just like AICN). Someone posted that internet archive website link before, and I used it to look at old school AICN, but I couldn't remember Corona's old URL, so I never got to take that stroll down memory lane. Thanks for the link, its brought a huge nostalgic smile to my face =).
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Good reviews are good reviews. I'm glad that Cameron is garnering them.
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I cannot tell you how much I love the argument that someone who has seen their hard work rewarded with wealth and success is not allowed to ever point out anything that might be wrong with the idea of capitalism. I am fairly certain James Cameron’s success did not come at the cost of wiping some native culture off the face of the planet. If it did, then THAT might make him a bit of a hypocrite, sure. But saying a rich guy can’t criticize certain aspects of capitalism it like saying a General can’t criticize certain aspects of the military. Just because you have found success within a system, I didn’t know you weren’t allowed to point out its faults and abuses…
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The supporters of Big Jims' newest opus argue with facts that support there opinion while the haters best argument seems to be "go fuck your mother". I think a middle school debate team could do better.
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lets be honest, did we actually expect negative reviews from paid movie critics ?? its like asking the car salesman at your local dealership if the used car youre buying is good, what do u think hes gonna say ? when the first regular people reviews come in ill hav a better idea if its really good....and fanboys dont count, ihatefanboys...ill prob see it in any case but i hate overhype for something thatll wind up just being good, and not really great.....160 someodd minute movie better be fucking good or im gonna fall asleep
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movie critics don't make commission if you see the movie (or not).
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Don't read any Transformers 2 reviews then.
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So glad they did a text version of the site, since the frames version wasn't archived. So much stuff on their that I'd completely forgotten about.
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Where they are bowing to a tree. Hmmm. Or a Mecca like scene where Christians bow to a cross. Or a "Mecca" like scene where Buddhists bow to meditate. The peaceful Navi don't know how to fight? When surrounded by an incredibly aggressive environment of nasty beasties? Are we kidding? Someone is working out some very serious psychological issues to spend so much time attacking a movie they haven't seen. Sounds like they have a very full social life.
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...was not invaded for it's resources. Iraq was invaded for more than 20 reasons...at least according to the slugs in congress. Neither the Tibetans or Iraqis are blue.
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Dec 12, 2009 3:51:13 PM CST
GeneralJackCosmo...Personally I think JC is in on the joke..
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If he actually meant any of this mumbo jumbo shit he'd give up the jet, the cars, split the profits according to need amongst his underlings, treat them fairly and like humans (which he by all accounts does not) and live in ONE normal sized Environmentally friendly home. Maybe it is just my business training...but when I look at the story...I see marketing. Marketing to the idealistic teen-28yr age group that spends the most at the theater, women, and Oscar voters. All the key talking points important to these groups are present and accounted for. I just made the observation that until I see any of these people/entities actually practicing what they preach...it all smacks of Larry Flint, may his name be praised, lecturing me on the evils of pornography. As an ardent Capitalist I could really care less; but it is fucking hilarious seeing that people actually believe and take to heart, that the man is trying to do or say something deeper than what he needs to do and say in order to make a Huge Fucking Pile of GREEN.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO MMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
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President Obama promised before his election,that he will stop the war in iraq/afghanistan and bring the american soldiers back...OOOOOPS....
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Dec 12, 2009 3:55:25 PM CST
"Go Fuck Your Mother"...Best debate grandstanding move ever!
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It has won me more than one debate I'll tell you that...especially when I had the facts to back it up!
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...was finding and killing all the Christians."
You do know that Tariq Aziz, Saddam's right-hand man, is a Christian, right?
People, there's not one word of truth coming out of RefuteTheHype. It's just Nerd_Rage trolling the shit out of this board. -
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he talks about whats the deeper message of his movie:
http://player.canalplus.fr/#/298820
yeah yeah accuse him of anything,but at least listen to what he has to say about the commentary he brings throughout his movie. -
Reading the ludicrous anti-Avatar/Cameron diatribes, the first wave of reviews, and then almost tasting the bitter tears and increasing desperation from the haters is like the perfect appetizer while waiting through the countdown to the film release. The fact that it all could be predicted literally years ago does not decrease my enjoyment.
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John Dunbar, a soldier with nothing to live for, finds meaning in the culture of the natives. But more than that he finds love. True love with 'Stands With Fist'.
His decision is made, there is nothing for him in the white man's fort but he decides to go back to retrive his journal.
But the fort is no longer deserted. Soldiers are everywhere. A rifle butt slams into his face!
When he awakes he's beaten and chained. As he's carted away for trial he see's 'Two Socks'. The lone wolf that he bonded with during his lonely vigil.
The soldiers are jeering and firing badly aimed shots at the wolf. 'Two Socks' doesnt run from the bullets, the wolf's loyalty to Dunbar is absolute. A bullet hits the wolf in the flanks. It's hurt but even then it wont desert Dunbar. Dunbar lashes out at the soldier but again is struck down. As the cart wheels rolls on to the sound of whooping soldiers we see 'Two Socks'. Lying in the grass. Dead.
I cried (like a bitch!) when that scene hit me. If AVATAR can make me feel even half that emotion then I'll know all those Dances With Smurfs gags will have been worth suffering. -
If AVATAR's CGI characters can make us 'feel' their pain, joy, and emotions then truly Cameron has 'changed the game'.
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getting exited over the high RT number. Odd that so many Trek haters went on and on about the high RT rating it got was meaningless. On a side note...I need me some Na'vi pron...stat!
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I wouldn't lose any sleep worrying over the quality of Avatar in any respect.
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Dec 12, 2009 5:28:39 PM CST
RefutetheHype, PEACEFUL DOESN’T MEAN STUPID YOU CUNT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
“oh yeah that's right I forgot the movie sets up a situation where the peaceful Na’vi, who have no idea how to fight, suddenly have weapons that don't exist and animal attack creatures and war plans that don't exist and they just magically all learn how to fight suddenly because they never fight. I forgot.” Typical attitude from a bully who is amazed when the passive aggressive nerd they pick on suddenly unleashed an asswhipping of Kung-Fu. Just because a person/people is/are peaceful doesn’t mean that they are pushovers. Just because they care about and respect nature doesn’t mean that they aren’t aware of the dangers that surround them nor does it mean that they are dumb enough to go around a hostile environment unprotected which is why they would have weapons training. I always love how right wingers think that they’re soo tough because they like to carry around guns to overcompensate for their small genitals while everyone else is a pussy for not doing likewise. I myself carry a pocket knife, not because I WANT to use it, but just in case I ever NEED to. People like you carry guns looking for any excuse to use them and that’s why you are dangerous.
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Dec 12, 2009 5:37:37 PM CST
RefutetheHype, YOU ARE A LIAR, YOUR MOM AIN'T EVEN IN TH ARMY...
by tehcreepythinman
You are a typical right wing scumbag who would make up a disgusting lie like that just so that people might take an once of sympathy towards you. I don't believe that shit for one moment so FUCK YOU. Furthermore, even if you did have a Mother who died in Iraq, TOO FUCKING BAD. She should have realized that the US military is nothing more that the muscle for US imperialism under the bullshit guise of “spreading freedom and democracy” to countries that conveniently have resources that the USA wants. But maybe she needed to be in the army because she couldn’t get a good paying job since they’ve all been outsources to slave labour countries like Mexico, China and India with the help of the very same Government that glorifies serving in the army as the ultimate symbol of patriotism while they support Wall Street’s decades long war against the working class. Suckers.
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Saddam Hussein was Baathist. He was pro secularism, pro moderism (educating women), and Pan-Arab. He was against ethnic sects, against religious fascism, against regionalism basically all the things that non-ironically blew up in Iraq after he was dethroned and we are dealing with today. Why do you think he was battling the Iranians who are religious fundamentalist? Of course pan-arabism was a major threat to Israel, since they believed in bridging ethnic, religious and national lines and uniting Arabs, which would be a counterbalance to Jewish military domination of the Middle East so they had our government take him out. It's funny as shit to see clueless idiots project their own ignorance onto world events. Hussein was a bad man and a brutal one... basically Baathists are associated going back to pre-WWII to Nazism and they hate Israel as much as the crazy muslims do. But he was far from linked to religious terrorism and muslim fundamentalism, exactly the opposite.
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Dec 12, 2009 7:15:45 PM CST
ARISE ASSLIVES!! THIS IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS ABRAMS TREK!!!!!!!!!
by sal_bando
YES!! arise!! Drop your GOAT(S) and bring your fetid STINKING head and loathesome Portuguese venom to bear again! Show off your two-digit IQ and your total lack of calender reading skills!! Let us know once again how Abrams Trek is 'VERY SHIT!' while Avatar is going to Blow Goats (which you, of course, are a career expert on) and then some. No Kidding. Yes that was a PUN you pigfuck. C'mon let's bring in Mammaries let's do let's do it. Like inviting a herd of Sunni Imams to a Pigroast in Kentucky. Let's get it on there AssLives you are a POS we wanna hear you Froth at the fuckin' mouth again at how SHITE this will be and how it's WORSE than ABRAMS TREK c'mon you pile of Kat Spooge git your capra-pumping leprosy ridden filth hide in here-
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To classify Refute as 'right wing' is just lazy. He's first and foremost an intellectual midget. After reading one of his posts I never found the need to revist such idiocy not to mention respond to one.
There are many people in this world who carry "big guns". It is WHEN and WHY those guns are used which seperates them.
The very men you characterize as "right wing" with "small dicks" would be the very men at whose feet you would weep for protection should the proverbial shit hit the fan.
You carry a knife for protection an fancy yourself some kind of noble warrior. Someone tote's a gun and they're a right wing wacko. Nice. -
Blue sexy creatures are always a good thing. This is even better:
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YOU IGNORANT SLAVES NEED TO WAKE UP. WATCH THIS http://tinyurl.com/yho94je I DARE YOU. OR JUST KEEP YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND WITH YOUR ASS OUT GETTING RAM RODDED BY THE GOVERNMENT
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today to get my daughter a happy meal. Setting up her meal, I pulled out the toy and it was the 6 legged alien horse from Avatar. It's actually cool. You press a button on its head and there are three areas on its body that light up to simulate the bioluminescence.
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—where per capita there are more gun owners than in the U.S. The 'macho gun culture' isn't as ingrained in the Canadian mindset as it is in the U.S. where gun fetishization seems synonymous with religion. But, the gun violence (again per capita) is MUCH LESS. I've found that many a 'weekend warrior' fancies themselves as some kind of noble warrior, misunderstanding Japanese concepts like Bushido and a staggering ignorance of the historical conditions (including class and social conditioning) that created those rules. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" is a truism. That being said ignorance kills more than both. RefutetheHype's ignorance is more repugnant for the arrogance that accompanies it rather than for it's actual content.I reckon that many 'right wing' religious gun enthusiasts come from a position of some social privilege, mostly from the middle class, have more than enough political clout to continue to promote the excesses of gun culture without needing to understand the consequences. It's easier to blame 'gangsta culture' or 'immigrants' as they come from more disenfranchised social positions. These tribal divisions are what Cameron is targeting — cultural misunderstandings, not 'pacifist ideals' or 'anti-war screeds'. It's critiquing the stupidity inherent in tribalism.
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I never really got the 'buying the hype' VS 'haters' thing (especially concerning a movie niether one had seen before) but main stream reviews are coming in saying the story is decent. Not that I rely on mainstream reviews, but when they agree with the web community I think there must be some validity. I'll fork out the $10 or whatever to see it and decide for myself.
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Anyway. I'm not actually right wing. I fucking hate politics. Come up with as many revisions as you want about Hussein. Pretend he never executed by poison gas thousands of people he disliked. Yeah, that didn't happen. He was a moderate.Conspiracy do you hve a girlfriens? It's a voice of an intelligent man in all this shit. I wish more people would confront Cameron's hypocricy, calling for an end to technology and an end of capitalism when it is the very society that furnishes him the means to make his movie. And have a huge house. And be free to speak. Yeah, but he hates it and wants us all to dance naked and paint ourselves blue in front of the mother tree, as long as he doesn't have to do it, too. Pure hypocritical bullshit.
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I like how I am a spy from CHUD, how I am Spymunk, how I am Nerd_Rage and I am all these other people. How about just accepting it's possible for a girl to like science fiction. Yes, it's possible. tits don't dissolve on contact with Sith Lords.
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Everybody is hating Worthington, right? I am a fan, but mostly just indifferent. I don't think he's a horrible choice, but whatever.So who should have gotten all of his roles instead?
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I think it will be significantly better; and Trek wasn't half bad.
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You're going to fucking bitch about Cameron having a film that criticizes NOT capitalism, but the PROBLEMS with capitalism, bc its out capitalistic society that allows him to point out its flaws? So basically what you're arguing is this: We aren't allowed to use our freedom to complain about problems? Its not ok for JC to criticize capitalism bc capitalism is what allows him to criticize? How else would we ever learn about our problems if we're not allowed to complain about them? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? The Catch-22 you've created?
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And I base that on your arguing skills. "AVATAR will suck. There is absolutely no doubt. AVATAR will suck. It's going to seriously, seriously suck. Read the fucking reviews if you doubt it." Yes. People love the movie. Therefore it will suck. Makes perfect sense, pffft.
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Who's got the flask 'round here?
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I had four margaritas tonight! Zuul is looking at me like I have two heads. But DVader, the point is, the reviews say one thing, but the articles say another. An ambivalent crowd, very little clapping, etc.
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Assuming your dog's name is Zuul, I mean. My point is that one person can not unequivocally say a movie will doubtlessly suck if one has not seen it yet. By the way, which articles are you referring to?
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Dec 13, 2009 1:36:43 AM CST
What's this about Cameron inventing new colors?!?
by anything but tangerines
Alright, I've never heard that said about a movie before. This had better be one Goddam helluva show, Eli.
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Look up. There was a CNN article where they described "portions" of the audience clapping, and a bunch of remarks from exiters saying how the movie was ehhhh.
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Dec 13, 2009 2:15:38 AM CST
DoctorWho? IT'S A SWISS ARMY KNIFE AND IT'S HANDY TO HAVE.
by tehcreepythinman
I probably should have mentioned that. Sorry.
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Dec 13, 2009 3:29:27 AM CST
a suggestion for an eyeball-fucking film to hold you over until
by dmc370
How about James Cameron's Aliens? Seriously, it's my favorite movie of all time..I think I've seen it like 40 times since I was a kid, literally. I just rewatched it again recently. The effects hold up to this day and the movie came out the same year I was born! Now theres some Eyeball fucking for ya.
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Gonna watch it tomorrow night. I saw it 3 times in the theater when I was 12 -- apex movie going experience that nothing's ever really topped.
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Guys, he's just trolling. And he's not a woman. No woman on the planet would ever troll aicn bitching about Avatar, and make some of the ridiculous statements he makes (women make DIFFERENT ridiculous statements). He created a new account the day positive Avatar reviews hit, because this was his last chance to hate, hate, hate.
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James Cameron owns your ass!!!
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Too embarrassed to show their faces now that they've been officially exposed as joyless biased morons full of blind-hatred and criticism that - judging from early reaction - has turned out to be completely wrong and unfounded. Man they were SO certain to weren't they? So certain this would be lauded as the worst film of the decade...shouldn't they have learned after Titanic? Well, I'm guessing most of these tools are pre-pubescent morons, so they probably weren't around 12 years ago when Jim schooled doubters around the world, just like he's doing now. For instance...let's look at News Of The Worlds Avatar review, just recently posted...
"Every director who decides to crank out a blockbuster from now on will cry themselves to sleep at night, in the firm knowledge it probably won't be even three per cent as good as Avatar."
" But first, you should know that as the most loudly trumpeted film of the decade, Avatar has a lot to prove from the off. Here's the thing. It proves it all. Hard. mprobably, this live-action, 3D, romantic sci-fi epic....really IS the revolution it's being touted as. "
"The plot is up there with the very best blockbuster yarns. The performances are note-perfect... The script is honed to perfection - there's not a single clunky line or duff delivery that breaks the spell."
"Best film of the year? Easy. Best film of the decade? Don't be daft - that's There Will Be Blood. Second best film of the decade? Yes, I'll have that."
Oh my! The quotes could go on forever, and be taken from just about any review. This one in particular goes on to claim the final battle is the most epic since the Star Destroyer in the original Star Wars, and ranks it aside SW, LOTR, Jurassic Park...Let me guess, another paid critic? Yeah....sure. Face the facts...the film IS being lauded as the game-changer it was hyped to be...it appears unlike the Titanic, Cameron is unsinkable. -
Glad your on board.
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Avatar talkbacks have always been littered with hate-postings from the likes of Retard Nerd Strength, and Trannyformers, and various others, it doesn't strike you as odd now that they've disappeared? See, before they could spout out the most vile, hatred infested comments they wanted to, and as ridiculous as it was, there was no hard proof to negate it. Now, the proof that Cameron succeeded exists in the countless positive reactions the film has garnered...especially since many critics - like the talkbackers - were not very impressed with what they had seen so far.
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You still believe Tiger has always been faithful don't you?
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This has nothing to do with Avatar. He wants attention, and wants to feel sorry for himself and ask others, "Why do you think it's okay to abuse me?" This clearly has nothing to do with us, but has to do with something that happened to him earlier in his life. In a week, the movie will be released and HornorSilk will lose all relevance because people can actually talk about the merits and flaws of the film...but until then...this is his last shot to use Avatar talkbacks to sort out his personal issues of victimization and abuse. And now, he will claim I just abused him, LOL.
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— I doubt that RefutetheHype is female. 'Her' posts are transparent.
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We haters have run to other forums where people would actually be humiliated to confuse the function of the words "to" and "too" in a subject line...but don't worry: I'm sure they'll address that VERY difficult grammar issue when you finally enter the seventh grade.
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even now when the film is enjoying 90% ratings on RT, they STILL could not bring themselves to swallow their pride and join us in the celebration.
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Long time, no see. Good to have you chime in on the boards.
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I don't think this person is Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength. That lovely title and unwelcome return belongs to Ash_Williams (aka egg on face). That being said......anyone (man or woman) who creates a new Talkback account to simply troll the AVATAR threads ("refuting the hype", no less!) is a fucking loser.Case fucking closed.
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...is how the heck did that snow creature manage to freeze Luke's boots to the cave ceiling...
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he peed on his boots and then steadied him on the ceiling,until his wet boots got frozen and sticked to the frozen cave ceiling.ahem.
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if you want to re watch Aliens, make sure you watch the 1991 special edition. It's 154 minutes and has an introduction by James Cameron...good shit.
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Betcha thats a new one round here ;) On the one hand I don't want to see this in 2d at the dollar theater and be saying "Damn why didn't I shell out for 3d 2 months ago!" On the other hand a lot of the stuff in the trailers seems super-cheesy. Don't get me wrong, I think the idea of an empathic ecosystem is really cool, but I've NEVER seen it done right-- where I wasn't rolling my eyes. This same sort of New Age mumbo jumbo is what sank Atlantis: The Lost Empire (lame pun, I know)and others before it. Whatever. I am hoping that JC can pull it off--I'm def. not one of those wanting something this audacious to fail. If he can, I'll shell out for 3d But if w.o.m. says its cheesetastic then I'll be fine paying a dollar 2 months from now. Either way I won't be devastated, and can only have room to be astonished. Sensible, no?
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We are reading, posting, and responding. You're just not listening. The story of quoted media critics is one thing, but the FACTS are another. And, as reported by such reputable sources as CNN, there were only a few portions of the audience who even CLAPPED or gave a standing ovation at the end, and the exiting viewers remarked how it was hokey, cheesy, cliched and silly and weird-looking. End of story. REAL PEOPLE were asked, and REAL PEOPLE said it was sort of ass. Media critics praise every peacenick movie ever made.
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Dec 13, 2009 4:06:52 PM CST
Obiben, I don't know about Luke's boots freezing...
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
But I do wonder how the heck people can keep spilling such ignorance about 3D. Half of these dumb bastards still think 3D = red and blue anaglyph glasses, tacky Jaws 3 style theatrics, and carnival gimcrackery. So much mis-information and ignorance. But people are stupid and lazy, so that's to be expected.'Truly ground-breaking' technology? And what would that be, exactly? This IS ground-breaking technology, my friend, as many have testified and will soon testify. 3D is absolutely going to become the new standard for blockbusters. Don't know about smaller movies, but for blockbusters it is absolutely going to become de rigeur. Once you go 3D you never go back. And Avatar will be leading the pack.
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Dec 13, 2009 4:10:23 PM CST
RefutetheHype, give it up you right wing scum bag
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Avatar is a critical success, and will soon be a success with audiences and at the box office. Inevitable as the tides. End of story.
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poor creatures
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Continue to offer your sheep ass to the media critics and to suck off JimmyCam and I'll continue to listen to real people.
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So dedicated...so fucking boring. Try Harder.
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Except these twigdicks don't want to live in the real world because to do so would mean they would have to acknowledge that so far every real person who is not a media critic or a croney of a media critic website has given this movie a massively bad review as noted in CNN and other places.
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my condolences dear sir
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my condolences dear sir
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Dec 13, 2009 5:26:53 PM CST
RefutetheHype, you truly are a deluded dingbat
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
If anything, 'real' people have been even more vocal in their praise of Avatar - the mass of positive tweets that followed the London screening is already proof of that. The massive box office grosses that are sure to follow will embalm it. There is nothing to debate here at all.
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Relax. It's just a movie. And ultimately, we're all here to have fun watching good movies. However, I think the early word is not positive, if you go by real people who don't "tweet" about movies on the internetz system of tubes. We'll see in a few short days.
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Quote: "However, I think the early word is not positive, if you go by real people who don't "tweet" about movies on the internetz system of tubes."Wrong. The buzz is very positive, but like with any movie, it won't please everyone. Basing your stance (and hopes on convincing people otherwise) on a CNN story is highly dubious.Quote: "Relax. It's just a movie."That's the smartest and most appropriate thing you've stated in this Talkback.
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wake up,wake up boy,and smell the assshes...
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Since you have apparently not seen it, read below.
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There were whoops and cheers as portions of the audience gave Cameron and cast members, including Sigourney Weaver and Sam Worthington, a standing ovation.
But some audience members took issue with the storyline. Andrew James, 27, said: "The plot is by the numbers, very much what I expected. You know, you've got the courageous army guy, you've got the native women, they're all very much caricatures. But, I couldn't help buying into it." -
"There were parts that you couldn't help but chuckle at," Howard said of some of the dialogue which he found cheesy. "I know I'm going to talk about it and think I don't like it as much later on, but right now I thought it was absolutely amazing."
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It says that only "portions" of the audience gave a standing o. At even GOOD movies, it's usual for the crowd to give a standing 'o' since the creators/actors are there and the studio wants it all to be good press so they encourage it by planting the crowd with people to stand up and encourage others to do so too. Not so here, as only portions even felt like it was good enough to stand for. Then, on the way out, people are asked by the news how it is and they say "Eh, it's got stupid dialogue and it's cheesy-looking." Yeah, real positive. Suck my tits, Avatards.
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ssshhh,let him dream now
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Reading the AVATAR lovers's posts is funny shit. AVATAR AT 100 PERCENT! AVATAR AT 98 PERCENT! AVATAR AT 92 PERCENT! AVATAR AT 90 PERCENT! Wait until the real critics get ahold of it. 50 percent.
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I'm not contesting what is stated in the CNN article; I actually read it a couple of days ago. What I'm addressing you for is this notion that the article somehow represents a universal consensus. It does not.Is this all you've got?
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hhhhrrrrr,zzzzzzz,hrrrrrr
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First of all, dillsucker, I'm a girl. I'm fe-male. You know, the thing you never get to touch that you read about fake versions of in MAXIM? The thing your Mommy Loves You blow-up doll is meant to be in gender? I have a BUH-DINAH, in case you don't know how to spell or pronounce it beyond babytalk. You really are the kind of guy I'd laugh at for no reason just to make you cry when I was in high school, shit stain. Secondly, I'm wide awake, though you seem to be asleep given how you're clutching your replica of James Cameron's balls in one hand and your lock of his beard in the other.
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Can you find for me some underwhelmed reviews coming out of any other recent premieres in major news articles? I doubt it. Point is, AVATAR was closely watched and on the exit people are like "Ehh."
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Look out, ominus. She's bringing out the big guns!
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We'll all know the truth in a week, when the numbers show it eats shit. Notice how nobody's worried about releasing anything after it in the following weeks? Because they know nobody will go see it. They know this sucker is dead and they have known it for a long time. Nobody at the other studios is worried!
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LOL. :) I was trying something in that, saving the foul language for the end. It didn't work? Okay, then, Ominus is a cocksucking motherfucking mommy's-ass-tasting little spackle of bird shit on the face of the world. Better?
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Bottom line, I want to get those viewers in a room and say "Was this movie silly? Did it make you feel like laughing when the Navi showed up?" I bet I could guide that very audience, none of who clapped for the most part from what the CNN article says, since only portions seemed to like it, INTO A FUCKING HATE FEST on how bad it was. And how bad it really is will be shown soon. It's right in front of your fucking hideous face.
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Now I am fucking tempted to go to the midnight premiere and the second the Navi show up start going HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHAHAH! as loud as I fucking can.
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little interview. Because I'm sure we're all pretty bored with Refute's semantic bullshit.
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Quote: "Point is, AVATAR was closely watched and on the exit people are like "Ehh."No, SOME people. And why should anyone be surprised by this anyway?!?! This happens with EVERY movie - even some of the history's most acclaimed.
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Well, then you failed. Try harder.
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"If I wanted to hear endless nonsense spewed from something good-looking, I'd watch The Tyra Banks Show.""This film has been hyped to death. "Groundbreaking!" "Amazing!" "It will change the industry!" I'm sure you've heard it all. And in some ways...it's a big fat lie.""Cameron has populated (the world of the movie) with characters who are strictly 2D. And sometimes not even that.""It's baggy, longwinded and, for all the light-speed imagery, just not quick on its feet. Cameron used to be the tautest film-maker around, but he just got slack."
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British living in the US after my mom died, why?
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At least I got you to admit reality. It was not universal raves. Thanks for playing!
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Now you're mining the review headlines on Rotten Tomatoes?!?! OK...what's your point again? Pathetic!!!LOLZERS!
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Oh, it's ok. By Friday I'll have a lot more examples. Maybe as many as half you think?
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Yeah, I have noticed that now that you mention it, things like how in the US even a mediocre play gets a standing o at the end automatically and I'm usually saying hey, this was a shitty play, why are you doing that? I did not think of that. Fair enough.
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It would be nice if you would. Unlike your apparent stance, I never denied such a reality. In fact, I fully expected it especially on a film deemed as contentious as AVATAR.
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But isn't that the point of a Talkback? I've read them, as I said, for years, never posting until now, but to me it would appear the whole point is to come out swinging as hard as you can and as rough as you can on your issue of choice, to not back down and to fight with everything you've got, even if winning means you resort to pointing and saying "HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT GUY'S DICK! IT'S A POPSICLE STICK!" If that's what it takes to win.
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I've found laughing at a man's dick size is the best medicine. Once, a guy tried to rape me. I was really scared. When he got his pants off, I mustered my courage and laughed as hard and as loud as I could, and it shocked him long enough for me to poke him in both eyes from beneath with my thumbs. It was a good day, all in all. He got arrested the next day and I got free upgrade to cable at the dorms that never got shut off!
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That would be where you don't have to wear any glasses at all to see it. If they've done that great, he should patent it.
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...But are you a strong woman with a gun? 'Cos, see, that's real profound and iconic and stuff...
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"The locals turn out to be spindly blue 10-foot humanoids with distractingly twitchy ears – suggestions that Avatar is somehow channelling Ferngully are not all that wide of the mark. Sully quickly falls for the non-specific mystical rabbitings of the tribe, involving memory-harbouring trees, intimate relationships with flying lizards, and other such prog-rock-influenced stylings. It really is like a 'Yes' album cover come to life." LOL. And: "The Na'vi, the tribe with whom Sully fetches up, are a sort of grab-bag of generic tribal characteristics – a little bit African, a little bit Amerindian, the equivalent of one of those worldbeat restaurants that serve up teriyaki tortilla and the like."
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Dec 13, 2009 7:30:31 PM CST
Guys, don't waste your time with this insincere bottom-feeder
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Claims to be 'female', 'british, 'parents died in afghanistan', and sundry other lies; trolls rotten tomatoes to find negative reviews and statements (which appear to be largely dumb, snarky and spiteful if the above statements are anything to go by - little to no credibility); endless political conspiracy ranting and ignorant right wing filth. An infant tossing his (yes, his, for no women would ever rant in such a fashion as he) toys out the pram. Scum. Pay him no mind. He will wither and die like a moth within the week.
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So, your issue of choice is to hate on a movie you haven't seen and sway peoples' opinion in a negative direction based upon a few scant quotes and/or reactions?How lame is your life? (Aside from attempted rape and free cable...)
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Dec 13, 2009 7:34:15 PM CST
The Guardian review proves my point about the negative write-up
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Pure snark and failed witticisms. Irrelevant. I don't care if a review is negative, but have the dignity to write one without condescendingly and pretentiously thumbing your nose at the movie - and the readership. Otherwise, it is not worthy of my time and intellect.
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Dec 13, 2009 7:39:01 PM CST
Jackson's Kong and Superman Returns had great reviews too...
by orbots commander
...and both of those movies, though not awful, weren't that great either. So, I'm not putting all that much weight on initial critic reviews.
Hey, I'll likely end up seeing Avatar at some point during its theatrical run (in 2D though, because I wear glasses and I'm not about to wear 3D glasses on TOP of my regular glasses for over two hours. I'll give 3D cinema a try when no glasses are required.)
Still though, I wouldn't bet the farm on how well this movie does. Remember: we all here thought that Watchmen was a guaranteed hit. Turns out, not so much.
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Dec 13, 2009 7:40:20 PM CST
RefutetheFactThatI'mAWalkingDerangedFanboyHaterCliche
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
"but to me it would appear the whole point is to come out swinging as hard as you can and as rough as you can on your issue of choice, to not back down and to fight with everything you've got, even if winning means you resort to pointing and saying "HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT GUY'S DICK! IT'S A POPSICLE STICK!" If that's what it takes to win."If that is so, you're shit out of luck, possessing a pin sized member as you do, and with your brains indisputably located in that region as well. Unlike I, and my elephant sized appendage. Care to cross swords, my lad?
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A friend of a friend had 2 tickets for a screening last night(Sunday 8pm), and due to good fortune for me, we ended up buying them.
Anyway i have never seen a movie like this B4 in my life, perfect 3D(no headache), you are there on Pandora, the colours and stuff was breathtaking. The soldiers are just puppets for the evil corporation(so relax RefutetheHype), I even cried masculine tears a couple of times so the no plot brigade can fuck off. It makes you think on multiple levels, Haters just give it a rest, because you've ain't seen nothing yet. The ending was oh wow fuck me, the intencity of this battle is OMG. -
Here are excerpts from reviews categorized as FRESH, right there on the first page of the Avatar reviews: "As visual spectacle, Avatar is indelible, but as a movie it all but evaporates as you watch it" ... FRESH review #2: "Avatar is part National Geographic TV special, part Guns 'n' Ammo bumper edition" ... FRESH review #3: "A movie whose effects are clearly revolutionary, a spectacle that millions will find adventure in. But it nevertheless feels unsatisfying and somehow lacks the pulse of a truly alive film" ... FRESH review #4: "Avatar may well be a perfect film to desensitize young audiences before they get the call-up." FRESH review #5: "A mostly motion-capture movie featuring the Mother of all battles" And finally FRESH review #6: "An amazing visual achievement, slightly hampered by routine narrative and cardboard characterizatons." There's one or two others labelled FRESH that are also more on the borderline or wishy-washy. So the tally should not be 35/39 positive (90%) but probably more along the lines of 28/39 positive, giving it a more reasonable 72%.
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You get interesting analyses like: "We've seen this story a million times. Fish out of water. Outsider enters a new group, acts like an idiot, falls in love and wins them all over with his bravery. If you're going to do a story that is the plot of every RPG I've ever played and most of the fantasy novels I've read, try to do something different. And please, please don't pepper it with one liners like, “Let's dance,” “Alright ladies, let's bring the pain,” and my personal favorite, “You're not in Kansas anymore.” I'm begging you, oh film makers of the world, stop using that line." Or another one -- "For an ostensibly anti-imperialist war movie written in all caps and splashed with every primary color in the Maxfield Parish color wheel, Avatar ends up being a toothless rollercoaster of eye candy that sexes up war, the very thing it professes to detest." Or this one from EW: "Cameron is such a skilled nuts-and-bolts filmmaker that the story he tells is never less than serviceable .... But it's never more than serviceable either. What it's in the service of is the creation of a relentless 'Oh, wow!' acid-trip videogame joyride." Once again remember that these excerpts are chosen from mostly POSITIVE reviews that RT counts as FRESH, these are not the negative reviews!
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Yet the movie still seemed to work for the writers of those reviews. Imagine that!
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Rotten Tomatoes, is only a guideline and after a big film comes out and all the Professional Big Tabloids print their views, there is always a stack of small independent failures who go against the grain to be noticed. Something that the Haters do here. Just face it if you like fantasy films with a modern spin then great but if you like Steel Magnolias then what the fuck are you doing here in the first place.
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...doesn't make the lists of the AFI, Associated Press, Time Magazine, L.A. Critics...but they don't know anything about movies, so...
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mediocrities like Star Trek, Drag Me To Hell, Fantastic Mr. Fox, and The Hangover made those lists - hardly critical heavyweights. I'd bet my eye teeth that Avatar is better than those selections, as were quite a few other films released this year.
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interrogation and elaboration.
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That's my clit you're staring at in my act of sitting on your literary face. The sword you're crossing is a strap-on. Don't worry, honey. It won't hurt much.I have no fight with you, Turd, not really. My fight is with AVATAR. Hopefully, next week will show the world the truth one way or another, and we can make up and you can resume hitting on me in AICN Talkback, ok? :)
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Look at the plot of some classics
Star Wars:Farmboy saves galaxy
2001:Monolith arrives, follow monolith
Forbidden Planet:Escape from ID
ET:ET go Home
Lord of the Rings:Get ring to lava (this took 3 fucking movies)
Dark Knight:Kill Joker
Rocky1:Hit Apollo
Need i go on, most films are just basic. At least in Avatar you have a main character who goes through a life change, the stripping of resources to satisfy greed, and some mighty FUCKING SPECTACULAR Action. -
I was headed in that argument with my own remarks before I got derailed by people with clit-envy.
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"She's using our Secret Language of Swearing and she's talking about her tits by describing them as TITS! I feel slightly less masculine and slightly threatend! THERE'S NO WAY SHE CAN BE A WOMAN!" This is why you guys don't EVER get dates.
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And you notice how often that happens at RT? You can read this fucking totally positive review and they'll say "ROTTEN" and you're like "WHERE?" And then you read a positive review that says "This movie is braindead shit" and it says FRESH. Hmmmmmm. Payola?
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I have just written to ROTTEN TOMATOES saying their review system is broken as a technical issue right now because negative reviews are showing up FRESH. Hmmm. Will they fix it? Stay tuned.
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And if you were paying attention, you'd know my mom died in Iraq, not "parents died in Afghanistan." You pay THAT much attention to evertything that's said it's no WONDER you'll be ok with the dialogue in AVATAR. But it's ok. I'll still pinch your cheek and call you a good BOY and that will make you erect, not so's anyone would notice.
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to be considered "fresh." So many lukewarm reviews of course are thrown in the mix.
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or does the Krakens head look like a kid with downs syndrome?
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Its not the same when ur Philly CHeese Steak wants her and I to have other girls too :) ya, i basically have the best wife ever.
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Well, with AVATAR I think it's high time people said "enough" with regard to this. I am going to suggest other people who beleive in honest reviews should write to ROTTEN TOMATOES and suggest that reviews calling the movie "knuckleheaded" etc. should be regarded as Rotten.
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Not only is she black and motherless, she is also pregnant, has a drinking problem, in her mid 60s and farts alot.
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Asuming you are "serious", and are not trolling...which is a BIG assumption given the fact that you signed up just to talk shit about this movie that you have not seen...I think the problem is that you just don't understand how Rotten Tomatoes works.
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...is it a film or a Sigraaph demo reel?
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in case you didn't know...
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You're wrong on two of those, but I'm not gonna say which two. Sometimes a woman has to keep herself mysterious. :)
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I appreciate it. I've never trolled a day in my life. I actually just felt like jumping into the fray this time. I've lurked sine this site BEGAN!
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Dec 13, 2009 10:00:18 PM CST
RefutetheHype in the lead early to be the AssimovLive of Avatar
by miyamoto_musashi
Mind you there seems to be a bit bit of competition.
That being said to be on the same level as Asi, you need to be literally writing novel length comments, multiple times within a TB and still keep doing it several months after the movie was released. That requires dedication to irrational hate, do any of you have that level of insanity and dedication ? Only time will tell. -
but you are getting bonus points for level of hate to something you haven't even seen, at least Asi has seen Star Trek. Maybe you could top him, if you never ever see the movie, and you are still hating with a passion by this time next year, now there is a goal for you!!!
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Even though the movie is a real Blast and what you have said is mostly crap, keep up the fight. Keep the Barstards honest as our Democrat party used to say.
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What is crap?
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Crap = Poo. Don't Americans use the word crap
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Brit.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Has anyone seen anyone has butthurt as this douche? Wow, you managed to pull the 4 negative reviews our of 34 from RT and act like it's the consensus. Why don't you quote the 25 or so that are absolutely glowing? How stupid are you? We could go quote for quote if want to get embarrassed. But let's forget fresh or rotten, looking at the average is all you need to do. 7.8/10. That's a VERY good average. Not often do films - good films - make it above 8. For instance, Invictus is at 6.8. Up in the Air - an Oscar frontrunner - is at 8.1, only a few points ahead of Avatar. Avatar has 40 reviews up and it's at 90%. If it drops at all, it won't be much. Anything 80% or over is excellent.
Face the facts, the response to Avatar has been OVERWHELMINGLY enthusiastic. Critics, who are notoriously hard on bad films, especially empty spectacles (see: Transformers 2 reviews), have flipped for Avatar. Sure some reviewers claim there's clunky dialogue and a simple plot, but that's not what this movie is about. It's about an experience. It's about being taken to a world that doesn't exist, being thrust into this world, and going on an emotional ride. Critics have hailed this as the revolutionary film it was touted to be. Famed critics like Roger Ebert have given Avatar the highest of ratings and compared it to Star Wars. Despite all your ranting, nothing you say will EVER change that. So keep trying and failing, it's rather amusing. -
Sorry about you being a Brit, reading the 1000+ posts, seems to be way in favor of giving this movie a go, not ONE critic has said don't see it. They all enjoyed it on one level or another, even that Ebert bloke went from the shithouse to the penthouse with his thoughts, after seeing the final product.
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Oh and the "real" critics you spoke of? Keep dreaming. Here's a list of about 40 reviews, most of which RT has yet to put up.
http://i47.tinypic.com/mb1f6g.jpg
Gee, looks like another 30 fresh, 2 rotten. Looks like your prediction is out the window. It's the hard, cold, truth I know. But you gotta face it sooner or later, so you might as well do it now and stop yourself from being laughed at and looking like a complete douche. How sad is it that the only reason you started posting here was to refute Avatar and the countless positive reviews it's got? You know most rational human beings who see the great reviews would take it as a good sign like "gee, maybe it will be a good film, I sure hope so." You instead take it as a sign of..."wow, great reviews all around, that must mean the film is decidedly poor to average. Righttt...have you forgotten to take your meds? You doubted Cameron, you now look like an idiot. That's just the way it is. -
It's the KIND of review.
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You have hit the nail on the head, in 3D this movie is outa sight(was at a screening last night), an experience not to miss, and with that, i will leave this page till Avatar comes out officially and see what the Haters have to say then. If you are a cinema going geek, which is what this site is all about then you will love it.
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And if you have a brain, which is the opposite of this site, then you won't.
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"Love and acceptance are at the heart of this megabuck megapic; while our hearts are opened by the Emotion Key, our eyes are dazzled by the visual spectacle, enhanced by remarkable 3D. An event of a film, a spectacle that allows us to live the fantasy."
"Avatar is a richly symbolic, captivating and immense film which laces together some of the great mythical stories of mankind into a contempo action adventure fusing its sci fi genes with spiritual and ecological themes. And it pivots on romance".
Judging by feedback on this movie, and your stubborn refusal to accept it...it appears your the one without a properly functioning brain. If your a fan of film you should be ashamed of yourself. Seriously...go turn your car on in the garage and think about the things you've said... -
Refute, you're boring everyone. Aren't trolls supposed to get people enraged? Try Harder.
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I'm just posting what I want to say.
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and it's fucking boring. Try Harder.
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Always knew you found girls boring.
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not sure what girls have to do with your boring posts...Try Harder
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Pretty lame comeback. Hang in there, Refute! Remember what you're here for: ...? Yeah, um... anyway, hang in there!
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"There is nothing small or insignificant about any of it. Beyond the impressive visuals, Cameron places equal importance on the story and characters, and it is the fact that we care so much for the plight of Jake, Neytiri and the whole Na'vi world that our journey is such a satisfying one."
"It's a measure of the film's success - and its enormity - that we are tempted to go right back in to the cinema to see it again, as many will do, to suck up the dense detail and the special atmosphere it creates - and the powerful story it tells. That Cameron has called the planet where the action is set Pandora, signals his wide-ranging use of symbolism to say something about the world we live in here and now; one true test of first class science fiction."
Wow! Could I be more excited?
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is listed as In Development on Cameron's IMDB. Hmmmm...
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I can't come up with much in the way of comebacks against people who disregard the facts. Bottom line, media critics have praised it. Tools of media critics have praised it. The ONLY quotes from everyday people are "blah' quotes except for PLANT-type quotes on here.
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Everyday people usually know jack and shit about quality cinema. The only opinion that truly matters when it comes to these things is...wait for it....MY OWN. Try Again. Harder this time!
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But more importantly, it is 100% at rottentomatoes for the Top Critics. I think that's significant because I've noticed that when films are universally good or universally bad, sometimes a critic will try to develop a name for them self by being the voice of dissension, because when people go to rottentomatoes and see all praise, or all criticism...they tend to read the ones that are different.
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Cameron's credit on Terminator 5 is likely only as "characters created by" or "original story by".
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Yeah, I figured that'd be the case. He's credited for TSCC's as well. Oh well, was a nice fantasy. Getting a TRUE LIES 2 after Arnie is out of office seems a bit more plausible.
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I'll believe he'll go back to T5 or TL2 after what AVATAR is going to do to his career.
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Now, yes, most of my friends are like me: female and nonwhite. I say this because I don't want people coming back and saying "Yeah but your friends count for shit!" So take that as you will and that's the only time I'm going to talk about targeting and ads and all that stupid shit.But my friends, none of them want to see this movie. We all laughed at the ads. We make fun of the pop ad with the crossbow bolts, so 1985. Where's George Plimpton to come out and tell us to see "Ahhvahhhtahhhh?" We mock it, we deride it. NONE of these people's boyfriends or husbands want to see it either. We all think it looks terrible (and the fact there's not a black actor in the en-tire cast is pretty fucking dubious, too, if you go by these whitewashed ads). I bet there are some in the small cast but I'm too lazy to check IMDB.
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I wish, ChocolateWoman is way smarter and funnier than me. But I've only ever gone by one other name in my entire history on the internet, and that was DementiaDelacroix, and that was for a deep south intrigue role playing game.
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further cements Cameron's iconic status as THE most successful filmmaker of all time?
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Nope. Not at all.
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—Don't eff with theKRELL.
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CCH Pounder, Zoe Saldana and Michelle Rodriguez are non-white.
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"But most of my friends don't consider them non-white. So, what most everyone else thinks doesn't matter. Only what me and my pretend friends think." Hey, who needs Refute? This is easy!
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Dec 14, 2009 2:53:40 AM CST
Refute read some of Asimov's rediculous rants for inspiration
by miyamoto_musashi
Speak to him, he is the Professor for the Irrational Hating 101.
The guy has passion, hoping to see that kind of passion from you.
Use silly names when mentioning Avatar, see "Avatards" is a popular one, with the other clowns, or "Dances with Smurfs".
About the only thing you are doing well is completely dismissing crtical consensus, because it disagrees with your unfounded beliefs.
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Same ol' shit, different name.
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with "An epic film born entirely of Cameron’s imagination",.. it makes the "Wizard of Oz" in me tear up...
They say it didnt cost 1/2 a billion,..but with all the hype,..looks like someone owes some money....to someone.
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Dec 14, 2009 4:42:04 AM CST
someone explain to me how this even compares to...
by dioxholsterreturns
...stargate universe?
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then we wont like it, those critics like being "pretentious" and kissing ass to filmmakers who put a pretentious show to them. AVATAR will be forgotten 2 years from now after everyone upgrades their graphic cards and realizes that games look more real than this pile of 3d donkey shitfest
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the movie being unoriginal and looks fake for a 300 million dollar investment. i mean crysis almost looks the same.
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Dec 14, 2009 5:08:39 AM CST
why does a country like egypt always get these big movies early?
by dioxholsterreturns
i know coz i saw one of the biggest movies of the decade there way ahead of american release.
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i wanted that one way more than this crap that people are praising because they have daddy issues or something.
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i find it strange how third world countries get it first sometimes, especially big movies like this one.
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see Stargate, now thats a good story that fucks your eyeballs.
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AVATAR is like Wall-E, people loved wall-E even though it was the worst story-telling i ever saw, yet thanks to its environmentalist message, it made people like it without question. i would like this trend to stop
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airing on Animal Planet
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but people didnt like it because it made american soldiers look badass and showed them as hereos. while this one has a hero a former american soldier who turned himself into a na'vi creature thing before saving them from american soldiers. this is superficial bullshit, if it werent for SG-1 Ori wouldve enslaved the minds of billions in our galaxy.
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People didn't like Stargate because it was fucking awful. Just letting you know...
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Yeah. And. So. What.
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soon we cant watch it without it being 4d or more, oh, look at me, all superior seeing movies in 4D which is way better than that inferior bitch that calls herself 3D. oh my im so cool.
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James Cameron just wanted a whatever story to accompany his theme park ride.
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now thats a story that is really engaging, but this AVATAR shit is just 3D porn
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Diox just wanted a whatever show to accompany his rectal probing.
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how dare you insult one of the greatest franchises of this century and the last century. who are you to call stargate lazy??
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its clear to everyone with a brain
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it's clear to anyone with a modicum of taste and/or intelligence.
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Gotta say that if you hadn't been so busy trying to reinforce the characters you'd created, you might have actually come up with something funny or perhaps even infuriating.
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with you concerning Wall-E.its a good flick but way too much overrated,and imho KF Panda should have won the oscar of best animated movie.But as you correctly said,the message itself outweighed the flawed way it was told in the movie..
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You ever hear of adapting what you say to your audience? I don't spell everything OU when I'm here, either. Normally, I don't seek out attention. Adapting things by saying "high school" or "mom" makes life go a LOT easier than having to throw out big explanations to every word I say or justify my word use. But here I am, doing it anyway. Fun. But please by all means keep coming up with that kind of crap. And no, I didn't mean I don't know what crap is. I meant "What is crap?" as in what of the things I've said has been "crap?" I've got a head ache now. Thanks. :) No hard feelings but I am sick of this already. How do you guys stomach doing it on every single movie?
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Too true, esp. since Al Gore needs to give back his Oscar and prize since it was based on total lies, which we all knew but only some had the guts to say.
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Too true, esp. since Al Gore needs to give back his Oscar and prize since it was based on total lies, which we all knew but only some had the guts to say.
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putting aside the verbal pugilism for a minute, anybody know why my posts keep duplicating? I'm not doing anything different when it does or doesn't.
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you would see that I said my friends and I are non-white, but ALSO said there were no BLACK cast members. Michelle Rodriguez last I checked is not black. Or am I wrong about that, too?
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because its so hard to obtain. Get it?......
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Dec 14, 2009 8:59:05 AM CST
I gotta go with the Stargate sucks bandwagon
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
The movie was average at best and the series is a poor mans Quantum Leap .
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yeah the world is flat, the earth is only 6,000 years old and santa is visiting next week
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Have fun with your Tyler Perry flicks. :)
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are black. Now you're obsessing on the 'black' content of the cast? Interesting…
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But I am actually ghost of nixon, the tb'er who got MAGNOLIA to number one in the tb's 'while back. But LOL anyway! Fail for thinking I'm these other people! FAIL!
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for reasons that remain a mystery. Same as the lack of an edit button. Double posting is just one of the quirks in the system that happens from time to time.
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Where have you been? It's been a minute…
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from an unsecured wifi router has been acting up.
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The "Magnolia" Talkback was insane…
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a HUGE Stargate fan. Although David Blue's MOOBS have been tiring, as well as the slow burn storyline (on SGU)...
The mid-season finale had a nice cliffhangr, but BSG used to be that good every ep. That's why it's a classic.
HOWEVER, stargate trumps bsg in rewatchability. bsg was so fucking mopey......
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Wait did you just compare "climate change" (notice how they changed to from global warming since the earth is cooling -scientific fact) deniers to flat earthers? Seriously? I'm really baffled at the absurdity of this whole situation. On one hand we have the educated folks who know its a total scam, a fraud, a hoax of epic proportions created to bilk taxpayers out of even more of their wealth, but then theres YOU fucking clowns, MILLIONS and MILLIONS of you dumbass idiots who STILL listen to the mainstream media, even after Bush used it as a nazi propaganda machine right in front of your ignorant faces, you STILL fucking listen to Al Gore, a political prostitute whos made a billion dollars already from carbon trading scams. It makes me sick to my stomach that you can't see they are turning you into a bunch of serfs again, while the truth is right there at your fingertips on the internet but youre too stupid to look at it. The Copenhagen summit is being covered on prisonplanet.com, i suggest you check it out and pull your fucking head out of your ass
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Dec 14, 2009 9:51:20 AM CST
If Climategate Is No Big Deal, Why Are Questions About It Met Wi
by spazatronik2000
PRISONPLANET.COM
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Dec 14, 2009 9:52:43 AM CST
Is Blair trying to cash in on climate change?: Ex-PM arrives at
by spazatronik2000
PRISONPLANET.COM Yeah TOny Blair cares about the polar bears, give me a fucking break, how stupid are you?
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/climategate-the-video-everyone-should-see.html
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the corporate controlled government does not care bout the environment. Duh!
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and help the U.S. Economy.
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I'm the only one with a descent taste.
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I'm probably mistaken.
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if Al gores bank mafia buddies weren't running the money system from London. We dont' need to "help" the government run economy. The US economy is a pyramid scheme run out of control. We need to abolish the Federal REserve and arrest the criminals behind the biggest ponzi scheme ever. Got it?
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Nope, this tb is about Avatar, right?
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wake the fuck up
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I still haven't seen it. But, I 'might' get to see it early. Still waiting for confirmation.
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Perish the thought!
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Dec 14, 2009 11:04:42 AM CST
damn_dirty_ape, don't know if it's really fair to compare
by blakindigo
Spielberg and Cameron. They are VERY different filmmakers. For one Spielberg is more diverse in his subject matter and style than Cameron and also he's much more prolific (He's also been working professionally MUCH longer). He's bound to have some 'clunkers' in his oeuvre. Also, Cameron was fired during "Pirhana II" so, although he was credited, it's not really his film.
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Cameron is more safe then Spielberg when it comes to story. Cameron likes the classic small/good vs big/baddy. But I think he does this, because he's pretty much brass tax kind of film maker. His films cost big so he knows he needs to make a film, that at least story wise, is familiar and appealing. It comes down to his original way of implementing such stories.
Spielberg on the other hand is actually "safer" in budgeting his films but actually takes quite a few chances with the films he chooses. He has more trust in his ability as a storyteller than I think Cameron is. But I think Spielberg budgets his films accordingly.
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not only we have people who hate a movie they havent seen yet,BUT we also have people who believe that the fact that our planet in the present time,is in grave danger because of the harm we caused to the climate,is a BIG LIE??? JESUS,then human race does not deserve to be saved if it is consisted of idiots like the above.fuck it.
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Ponzi schemes, the U.S. economy, climate change. This is the quintessential internet conversation that would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. People will say literally anything if they can be anonymous online.
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Haters, U MAD??? AVATAR about to crash another partay. It's so cash. PAY ATTENTION BITCH: AVATAR is fucking amazing, no amount of trolling can change that. I DON'T CARE VVHAT YOUR FRIEND THINK, I'LL RAPE THEM AND PUT THEM IN THE GARBAGE. I piss on your opinion, you are vvorthless (your mom told me from the grave). You may now continue with your life (which, if you're that faggot dioholter, or his alt account refutethehymen, means you'll continue to choke on navi cum). LONG LIVE THE QUEEN
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I can't say this movie will suck. I'll wait for the DVD then I'll give my opinion. I will say that the blue aliens look like shit. Very cartoony. The trailers make the movie look horrible. I have no hope that this will be good.
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This is why the education in this country needs to be fixed. I just read about a recent study on anger in America that links it, partly; to lack of education. The less you know, the less you feel in control of your own destiny. So yes, idiots are angry. I find it interesting that right wing conservatives and Avatar haters sound like they're speaking with the same voice: blatant denial of obvious truth, PC backpedlling, cynicism, intollerance of anyone else's opinion and just plain mean-spiritedness.
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Way to keep an open mind.
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WANT this to fail? Is there some weird JC fan-fallout that I missed? Why would you not want a film by the man who gave us Terminator and Aliens to suck? A Sci Fi movie no less. Jesus some people are just fucking weird.
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I think it's been shown over the last few days that most of the loudest haters were actually spies from other sites. Sites whose owners have a personal beef with Cameron.
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Ah yes, from CHODE I'm sure.
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for the inevitable extremely unfunny family guy episode with a peter fantasy about avatar. on the other hand, robot chicken's parody cannot get here soon enough. too bad south park is between seasons....
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Dec 14, 2009 3:48:00 PM CST
Very true - the whole Avatar debate has brought
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
many of the very worst people out of the closet - spies, trolls, right wing nutjobs, and idiots with braindead and redundant opinions. Very discouraging actually. Ordinary folk can't have a decent conversation about this movie without these tedious clowns hijacking the thread with their nonsense. I'll probably check out until after the movie's release.
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"Dances with Smurfs" is the thirteenth episode of the thirteenth season of the American animated television series South Park, and the 194th overall episode ..."
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who think that the only negative opinions about this movie are coming from othe sites. yeah, right. the negative opinions about avatar are coming from the general public who think this movie looks stupid. maybe all the insanely positive people here (like that turd douche and southafricangay) are plants.
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Nerd_Rage_Reatard_Strength was right.
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i just know that it will, because it looks lame as hell. bad writing and bad acting is not my bag.
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bad word of mouth will kill this movie after opening weekend
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cgi tech demo ever. story? what story. when you have 'killer next gen cgi' you dont need a story! people will be hypnotized by the graphics!
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get your heads out of your asses. district 9 will win more awards than avatar
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will end up with body image problems after seeing the female navi. thanks cameron, jerk.
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We know how you are, fucko. The name may change, but the trolling does not. You have failed to entertain us....again.
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fox plants. fox has a lot of money and reviewers in their pocket. youve seen what happens when fox plants give bad reviews to fox movies. they get fired!
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We know who
you are, fucko. The name may change, but the trolling does not. You have failed to entertain us....again. -
YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH
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i said who i was. great detective work!
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Dec 14, 2009 4:33:57 PM CST
ash cunt features, friday will be the day you
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
commit suicide. Please do it on You Tube so the world can watch. I will even mail you the gun if you'd like.
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fact.
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Amazing how the haters dismiss any positive word as 'plants'. True denial group-think.
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more negative reviews than positive from the press...
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and the world said: ...meh...
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fact.
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that the gungans really are cooler than the navi.
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I am actually ...(drum roll please)...James Cameron himself. For the past year I have been posting under this guise to conjure up positive word for my game-changing epic. And it looks like it has worked. Victory will soon be mine. I will be having a throne of gold constructed from the box office returns from Avatar, including the multiple tickets you have no doubt bought. Know that I am a multi-millionaire, academy award winning, world class director, and you are a fat nerd jerking off in mama's basement. I shit on you. I am the King of the World. Jim Out.
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"more negative reviews than positive from the press..."91% fresh aggregate on Rotten Tomatoes says differently.
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if Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave is james cameron, then james cameron is clearly a hack writer and an idiot. james cameron is the new michael bay.
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is a drop from the 100% earlier. hahahahahaa. just keep watching as the number fall and fall... hehehhehehe.
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what i have been saying all along. avatar is pretty cgi with a shit story and bad acting. many references from pro reviewers to dancing with wolves! hahahah. they didnt get that from these talkbacks. they noticed the rip off themselves!
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Those are universal story archetypes and plots. I, in my infinite wisdom, have designed Avatar to carry the widest possible appeal. Have you ever written a screenplay, young fool? Can you even spell your own name? I was writing classics like The Terminator and Aliens while you were still suckling on your mother's tit.Jim.
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like terminator, from harlan ellison
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i dont believe you are james cameron, obviously, but i do believe that you are a plant. who else would have all the free time that you have? you obviously have no life outside of posting about your man-love for cameron and furry blue cat people with corn rows
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will be a better movie than avatar. at least that might have boobs. real boobs. not blue cgi boobs.
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that avatar will not win best picture.
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Dec 14, 2009 5:09:00 PM CST
Ash Williams, you have no self-awareness at all,do you?
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
"you obviously have no life outside of posting about your man-love for cameron and furry blue cat people with corn rows"You are by far one of the most frequent posters here, and all of it consists of trolling spam. I think most would be in agreement that you are possibly the saddest person ever to have wandered onto these talkbacks - though there are certainly some others that would give you stiff competition.And no, I am not a plant. You belong in a mental asylum, as do your lunatic comrades-in-arms. Whenever someone says something they are in disagreement with , they scream 'plant!!' Typifies what a solipsistic and anti-social little bubble they exist in.However, I do believe YOU are a CHUD spy, possibly Faraci himself, and I am not the only one on this site, or others, who thinks so.5 days (2 if you live in Europe), Nerd. Then it's 'Game over, man. Game over', for the haters, not that they aren't already fleeing like cockroaches scattering into the light.
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you and others think i am a spy, because you are stupid and live in a fantasy world. i represent the general publics opinion. sorry that opinion does not agree with your planty-ness.
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scifi for hippies
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"You belong in a mental asylum, as do your lunatic comrades-in-arms. Whenever someone says something they are in disagreement with , they scream 'plant!!' Typifies what a solipsistic and anti-social little bubble they exist in."
wow, your an idiot and a hypocrite. anyone who has a negative opinion of avatar is instantly called a troll. and you clearly exist in a bubble. though, i would phrase it as: you have your head up your ass. -
"You belong in a mental asylum, as do your lunatic comrades-in-arms. Whenever someone says something they are in disagreement with , they scream 'plant!!' Typifies what a solipsistic and anti-social little bubble they exist in."
wow, your an idiot and a hypocrite. anyone who has a negative opinion of avatar is instantly called a troll. and you clearly exist in a bubble. though, i would phrase it as: you have your head up your ass. -
Talk about self-pwnage! Do you know what I'm saying? Like, you just totally pwned yourself with that statement.Wow.
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I'm not going to call you a troll, but I am going to call you a fucking loser.
How much time have you wasted over the last two weeks posting dozens of times in every AVATAR forum about how bad this movie is going to suck? I have never seen someone so obsessed over a movie they have not seen, yet have already decided they will hate. It is really sick.
I honestly feel sorry for you that you don't have anything better or more productive happening in your life. Don't you have any work you could be doing? School work, or job-related work or work around the house? Don't you have any friends you could be talking to? A dog you could play with? Books to read, movies to watch, video games to play? Is this *really* your hobby? Talking shit about AVATAR every second of every day, anywhere people are talking about AVATAR?
You are really, truly pathetic. Not because you hate this movie...but because you seem to be totally devoted to your hate, and seem to have nothing else happening for you at all.
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Its astounds me those who call themselves movie buffs who even consider Avatar being a disaster. As if you've never studied the laws of James Cameron. Shame on you, bitches!
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Dec 14, 2009 5:32:19 PM CST
This Movie Sounds Hollow and Sophomoric Except for the 3D Effec
by sidepocket
So far all the reviews sound like this: "The story for Avatar is sophomoric, the characters are one dimensional, the CGI is good but not great and the score is bland with a too heavy handed message. BUT THE IMAX 3D is amazing so we are going to give this film 12 Oscars!" Really, to me that's like saying "Well her personality sucks, we have no hobbies in comm...on, her voice is annoying and she has terrible hygiene habits. BUT SHE HAS HUGE FUCKING TITS!" Sorry but that does not work for me. I'll see the movie after people have gone lining up en masses for it and judge for myself. I hate these stupid fanboy wars of "haters" VS "fanboy" shit form overgrown man children. Oh, I forgot. That's AICN in a nut shell.
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I forgot who said that but it's true. People are that lame. It explains a lot.
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No, you have never been right, Ash_Williams (NRRS). But GeneralJackCosmo is right = you are a fucking loser.
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The genius artists steal,the rest imitate.
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The genius artists steal,the rest imitate.
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wrong. as usual. why dont you look at how much i actually post. oh, wait, that would requiring you to think and use your brain instead of just reacting. sorry, i feel sorry for you. dummy.
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...if you really ARE Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength, then I seriously think you need to take a step back and be honest with yourself in evaluating how it is that you spend your time. Life is too short to spend hours each day trolling internet forums under multiple names.
Seriously.
That is fucking hilarious (to me)...but it is also extremely sad (for you).
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I have seen multiple posts from you in every AVATAR talkback I have looked at for the last two weeks...I always notice them because they are unfailingly dumber than shit, and they make me laugh.
Feel sorry for me being a "dummy" all you like.
When I close my browser and go about living my actual life in which I interact with others in the real world and am a contributing member of society, I won't be thinking about you at all. -
you think im on here too much? i see you and all the other people on here all the time! you are a typical talkbacker hypocrite. to stupid to realize that you are a hypocrite. what an empty life you must have, posting about how you want to suck camerons cock all day long. you should get a life and stop posting about avatar.
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then look at any batman talkback... yikes!
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typical. fuck off now and go suck camerons cock until he finishes on your eyeballs. sheep.
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t2 was lame. true lies was lame. abyss was lame (and had the worst ending ever).
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if i am a loser for posting on aicn, then you are all losers. get it? did i make it simple enough for you? no? too bad.
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He even admitted it flat out in an earlier TB, as if he was proud of the fact. He cannot even keep up the ruse (not that it wasn't immediately obvious from the tone of his posts). He attempted to come back under the radar with the Ash_Williams alias, first chumming the waters with some idiotic though measured comments about Cameron sucking, Aliens sucking, Avatar is going to bomb, etc., before completely revealing his vitriolic and stupendously foolish true self in all out rant mode. I believe southafricanguy was the first to spot him. In any case, it's beyong pathetic, and this character truly has no life whatsoever. It also wouldn't surprise me if many of these haters - HornOrSilk, AshWilliams, RefutetheHype, Reportabuse, chocolatewoman, whatever the fuck- are the same one or two people posting under multiple handles.
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Not Philip K Dick. If you're going to troll, do it right.BTW, you can add Mrdck to the list of scum who need to be incinerated. I believe he, too, was some former notorious troll posting under a transparent alias, or so DocPazuzu seemed to imply in one of the TB's.
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Where do you live, my friend? Because I'd love to chat in person.
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...if its in the continental U.S., I'll buy you a bus ticket to Chicago so we can have a little "debate" in person and you can tell me to suck a man's dick to my face. What do you say?
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...to some punk kid who called my buddy a nigger on Xbox live, btw...and shockingly I never got a response.
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Troy Anderson's ass if I ever see him, and I sure hope he (you?) doesn't think I'm kidding.
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...put your money where your mouth is or shut the fuck up, you pathetic little rodent.
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go suck a mans dick
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all the negative posters are one person... uh huh. like i said before. you cameron fans have your heads firmly planted up your own (or eachothers) asses.
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remember what you're dealing with—here's a recent photo:http://tinyurl.com/yaa7bjo
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...is that the best you've got? You don't want a free trip to Chicago? Are you into comics and/or video games? Because I'll bring you out during the C2E2 in April, hell, I'll get you a free pass, too...you'll have a lot of fun, and then you and me can talk in person.
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you compare someone calling your friend the N word to someone making fun of avatar and james cameron? you really need to get your priorities straight and get. a. fucking. life.
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i would love to hang out with a comic book reading, video game playing steroid user!oh, and how can you type and suck camerons cock at the same time? you have skills!
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That has nothing to do with AVATAR. I just want to know if you're like the typical internet shit-talker who is, in fact, a pathetic physical specimen. See, I don't say shit to people online or over the phone that I wouldn't say in person, but I'd be willing to bet the same couldn't be said for you. That's all. I just wanted to make the point that you are both a loser AND a pussy.
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i am like arnold and sly put together! hahahaha. really, though. there is nothing more pathetic than some troll trying to start a fight on the internet. you are silly and kinda stupid. so, why do you keep posting here? i thought you said that people who post here a lot are losers? pussy.
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—even posting it is "lose/lose" for you 'cause tolls are usually 'shook ones'. Plus, they'll post the same idiotic, repetitive nonsense ad nauseam because they've got no other game and literally nothing honest or perceptive to discuss. They aren't 'haters'— at least a true 'hater' may have some useful or legitimate points.
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Because I will make it happen. Obviously I understand if you don't want to post your contact info online, but I am sure we can figure something out. Maybe AICN will help.
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are you going to destroy your computer and trash your house because of uncontrollable roid rage? take a deep breath and repeat to yourself: its just a movie. its just a crappy cgi movie about blue cat people...
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I just want to fuck with you, that's all. But I am a man of my word, and if you'd like to figure out a way for me to get your contact info without every other asshole on here knowing it, I am more than game to get you that ticket. Like I said, maybe AICN can help.
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It's about the fact that you are a pathetic internet shit-talker and I'd like for you to put up or shut up. No roid rages at all, I am actually sitting here on the computer at my buddy's house and we are laughing our asses off, but I'm dead serious about the ticket. There's just way I am posting my e-mail on this TB, and I understand you being the same way. This shit is between me and you.
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U make me smile like—making him squirm like that.
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you want to buy me a ticket (how much is that? $200 - $300 dollars?) so i can come to chicago because you want to fight me because i am making fun of avatar? HAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
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pathetic. im squirming? ha. fuck you all. avatar is a joke. my favorite thing are the production photos of the actors wearing taped on cat tails! priceless! and cringe inducing...
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— just a 'discussion'. Why are you instigating apparent threats of violence? Sounds 'trollish' to me.
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So I get discounts on top of discounts. Although I don't know if they do bus tickets...but whatever the price, it would be well worth it just because this is fucking classic shit already.
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maybe if you actually read the posts you would know what you are talking about. fuck off and mind your own business. the only troll here is GeneralJackCosmo. trying to get my personal info so he can fight me. cameron fans are violent trolls and should fuck off. avatar is crapatar.
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I'm sure he could fill you in if you don't know.
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about a 'fight' except what you insinuated.
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The most poorly reasoned conspiracy websites in the U.S.A!!! Got a loved one who died in 9/11? Don't worry; InfoWars/PrisonPlanet has developed a whole cottage industry of videos and t-shirts dedicated to their memory...and Alex Jones' wallet!!!
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are losers who really need to get a life and some perspective. ok, GeneralJackCosmo why dont you tell blakindigo why you want me to come to chicago. do you have the balls to do that? or are you a pussy? im guessing that you are a pussy, hiding behind his screen name.
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why do you want my personal info? be honest. or are you a pussy? tell the truth you little wanker...
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Notice how when you apply the same techniques on a troll, they can't take the pressure? Suddenly, they accuse others of mindless posting and simple minded obsessions, but when the shoe is on the other foot they start attacking and name calling? Hmm.
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I need your personal info because in post 9/11 America I don't think I can buy a bus ticket for "Ash_Williams" from Ain't It Cool News. And where the fuck would the ticket (or e-ticket) go? Should I tell greyhound to post the link in a fucking talkback? Don't play stupid.
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I need your personal info because in post 9/11 America I don't think I can buy a bus ticket for "Ash_Williams" from Ain't It Cool News. And where the fuck would the ticket (or e-ticket) go? Should I tell greyhound to post the link in a fucking talkback? Don't play stupid.
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If you want to continue this, Ash, I'll try to sheck in later. Otherwise fuck off, pussy.
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and dont be a pussy. tell everyone why you want me to come to chacago. and please dont say its for a date. im not gay. not that theres anything wrong with that. i just dont want to go on a date with you
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Dec 14, 2009 7:39:17 PM CST
Is Avatar just an empty spectacle? Let's ask the critics!
by mandrakeroot
"Avatar is one of the Best Films of 2009 and stands as a watershed work in the science fiction and fantasy genre of films."
"Cameron has devised a romance similar to Titanic's — a grunt falls in love with a princess — but this time with far more emotive power. yet again in a Cameron film, we find a strong woman seeking a man whose strength she can tap. But unlike the tryst between DiCaprio and Kate Winslet, this love affair has consequences". - Time
"There are visionary filmmakers – and then there’s James Cameron...The key to Cameron’s work is the heart he puts into it. He understands that action is just action until the audience has an emotional investment in the characters. He manages the nifty trick here of imbuing computer-generated characters with flesh-and-blood feelings"
"Cameron marshals his forces and funnels it all into a strong, well crafted story, which essentially boils down to an extreme version of Romeo & Juliet with some recognisable topics of current world interest, ranging from warmongering to rapacious capitalism and the sanctity, beauty and power of nature. And of course, love. "
"Beyond the impressive visuals, Cameron places equal importance on the story and characters, and it is the fact that we care so much for the plight of Jake, Neytiri and the whole Na'vi world that our journey is such a satisfying one. There are touches of humour and a climactic extravaganza of an ending with mega special effects and tension as good is pitted against evil "
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"Once again, he has silenced the doubters by simply delivering an extraordinary film... I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins." - Ebert
""Avatar" is not a case of empty hype with no payoff. If anything, the hype has failed because it never once suggested the emotional richness of what Cameron was creating, and it's that component which makes all of the action stick. I cared deeply about these remarkable creatures and their remarkable planet, and by the end of the film, the real-world metaphors were forgotten because I was caught up in the immediacy of what I was watching". - HitFix
"Perhaps even more so than Dances With Wolves, Avatar reminded me of what Malick was attempting to do with The New World -- an exploration of nature and a native culture couched in a culture clash/love story where the white hero falls for the chief's daughter -- but done far more effectively and excitingly." - IGN
"The word masterpiece may be too strong or it may be the only word to properly describe Avatar....this is a film worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as The Matrix and The Lord of the Rings. It's epic, visionary, breathtaking, and as immersive as any tentpole film in recent memory. The plot is one of the very few areas that the cynics will find faultlines in what is a resoundingly complete experience. The dialogue and execution of the plot is excellent, however." - Chud
"The final battle itself is destined to be one of those sequences that gets aped, imitated and ripped off given the variety and virtuosity of the battles and their storytelling strategies, but the consistency of individual, pulse-pounding moments using different geography and characters is visually and emotionally overwhelming." - Cinematical
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"The movie is reminiscent of the great epics of yesteryear - from Gone With The Wind to Spartacus to Gladiator. These classic movies relied on universal themes and instantly recognisable characters to drive their monumental stories, and Avatar is no different." - IGN UK
"In fumbling hands, this could have badly misfired - strange and silly instead of curious and moving...in his hero's story, he presents a grand illusion - offering what seems to be a theme of internal conflict and physical reawakening before unleashing a final sucker-punch reveal that's unexpected, devastating, moving and instantly iconic" - Total Film
"Avatar works. You care about the CG characters...It tugs the heart. It makes you shout. And it is an overwhelming feast of visual artistry unlike anything you have ever seen before. It will be nominated for Best Picture and for a handful of others." - Movie City News
"In the hands of a lesser director, these awe-inspiring special effects would have overwhelmed the film. It is to Cameron's credit that the story grips and carries you along from the beginning. ...But Cameron's ecological message is a powerful and surprisingly emotional one. The annihilation of the Na'vi's homeland is a lump-in-the-throat moment" - Telegraph
"It does have its own zeitgeist feel, however, with the visual wow factor augmented by its resonant contemporary themes (environmental destruction, war and corporate corruption) in the context of a sci-fi adventure story. And if that’s not enough, it features a love affair between two blue-skinned aliens which is surprisingly romantic and affecting." - Screen Daily
"But let's cut to the chase: A fully believable, flesh-and-blood (albeit not human flesh and blood) romance is the beating heart of "Avatar." Cameron has never made a movie just to show off visual pyrotechnics: Every bit of technology in "Avatar" serves the greater purpose of a deeply felt love story" - Hollywood Reporter
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Despite people making claims that Avatar is nothing but visuals, it would appear that MANY reviewers disagree (keep in mind I only looked at half of the reviews). Now I'm not gonna sit here and lie as if some critics haven't had issues with the familiar plot or occasional thunky dialogue...they certainly have. However to act like it's the consensus is complete BS, and there's the proof. Trust me, I even kind of feel like a douche for taking it that far, but SO many of you are arguing this like every review shits on the story and that couldn't be farther from the truth. Honestly I think like Titanic, this film will hit many viewers emotionally...that's what Cameron does. But also like Titanic, you'll have a fair share of people who think it's cliche, or corny, or what have you. But compared to shit like Transformers or GI Joe or 2012, I guarantee you this seem like the most original, well-made, emotionally involving blockbuster ever.
I mean c'mon people, face the facts. Whether the film interests you or not, if you think it looks "meh", or like the worst goddamn movie in the world, you can't deny that just about every critic who has seen it has praised it in one way or another. Sure some more then others, but isn't that how most movies are? -
Way to go MandrakeRoot!!!
Those "AVATAR is teh suxor, Stargates rules" posts totally pale in comparison to all of these choice quotes you've just so kindly dropped.
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did you know a lot of 911 victim's relatives are at the heart of the 9/11 truth movement in New York, and that if it wasn't for them, there might not hav even been a commision report? and that they are behind the movie 9/11 Press for Truth? And that they still demand an investigation becasue the last one is an admitted whitewash, 5/8 of the original commision members say so? They admit that the entire commission was a Bush whitewash. I know you didnt know any of that shit, because you are a mindless fool who regurgitates mass media one-liners and brainless quips like "911 conspiracies hurt the memories of the victims" What a load of horseshit.
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Even if to you the movie does seem cliche in ways, why does this automatically condemn Avatar as a horrible movie? I mean every critic, literally EVERY critic has raved about the FX, claiming they are unparalleled and an absolute marvel to behold. I mean this is just a handful of quotes..."he brings science-fiction movies into the 21st century with the jaw-dropping wonder that is "Avatar." ..."If you have seen the trailer - you haven’t seen a glimpse of what is to come. Cameron has created new colors. Everything looks real." ...."Technology buffs can have a field day here, wondering what happened to make all these remarkable breakthroughs"...."Not since Dorothy's Kansas farmhouse landed in Oz - 70 years ago - and the screen transformed from black-and-white to color - has there been such a magical, revelatory moment as the emergence of the planet Pandora in IMAX 3-D."
I mean seriously, that is NOT light praise. Every single review more or less states that Avatar is one of the most visually impressive, beautiful, jaw-dropping films. And countless reviewers, like some of you, were very skeptical at first, but once they saw it they could not deny. As one critic so eloquently puts it; "It takes a special film to transform an audience of movie critics, highly-trained skeptics who can dismiss the most painstakingly crafted work with a mere smirk and roll of the eyes, into a bunch of glowing, giddy teenagers, but that’s precisely what happened earlier this week when Avatar, James Cameron’s extraordinary new sci-fi epic, screened for the first time. "
Another says..."Avatar’s heightened visual flair lives up to the pre-release hype as 'a game changer. Seriously, there are shapes, colours, creatures and objects on display throughout Avatar that push the eyes to the brink of their processing power."
Now my question to all of you people...even if Avatars story did suck, wouldn't that be enough to entice you into seeing it? Seeing a film that literally looks like nothing else in cinema before it, a film so captivating and mesmerizing like nothing you could ever experience in the real world. Why isn't that enough? I mean there are plenty of realistic gritty movies, or movies with intricate plots, or non-CGI movies you can go see. Are you really that stubborn and close-minded that you'd miss out on an event film from one of the most revered directors of sci-fi? I mean fave it, none of Camerons movies are masterpieces in the dialogue category. Did that stop you from enjoying his earlier films? I mean some of you seriously just need to relax and stop taking this shit so seriously, it's just a movie meant to entertain for a few hours. I know I get amped about discussing it and arguing, but at the end of the day if your gonna be such a joyless cynic that you refuse to watch a film by a sci-fi master that's being touted by many as a new sci-fi classic, then you probably shouldn't be on this site anyway. -
FUCK YA INFOWARS.COM BITCHES - INFOWARS.COM AND PRISONPLANET - ONE OF THE ONLY NEWS OUTLETS ON THE PLANET THAT ACTUALLY TELL YOU THE TRUTH NOT THE PROPAGANDA FOR THE MASES OF DUMBED DOWN SHEEPLE LIKE MR NICE GAYS ONLY FUCKHEADS FALL FOR THAT SHIT
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Although the blue smurf people still look kinda ghey. I'm sorry I doubted you, Mr. Cameron. Bring it on. Please wear protection while fucking my eyeballs.
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Contrary to what you might think, I know all about that stuff as I've read quite a bit about it - especially during the heighth of the so-called "Truther movement".Quote: "because you are a mindless fool who regurgitates mass media one-liners and brainless quips..."Bullshit. Sorry you didn't like my little stab at Infowars and PrisonPlanet; didn't mean to hurt your feelings. But it sounds like you regurgitate EVERYTHING those shysters put on the web. Do you realize the pool of paranoid delusion that most of that stuff comes from?! No, I bet you don't...or you do but you choose to ignore the faulty logic, the poor reasoning, and dubious research all in the name of fighting the "New World mass media" or the "Bohemian Grove/Rothschild Totalitarian Government". Yep.You'll question our media/government types but you don't question those hucksters?! Talk about poorly aped horseshit.
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You got way too much invested in this movie's failure my man. What is it about this film that gets you so worked up? That's a lot of sand in your vagina.
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I've got to say, you're something of a massive tool. Quantity does not equal quality. I may not be fond of what I'm seeing from the sexist and racist AVATAR, and I may not like the way people are sucking Big Jim's Slim Jim, but I do think you've gone WAY over board and need to take a step back and not just post pointless rants about how this movie is "bad." This is not the case of the haters turning on each other. This is a case of you just being a complete utter pickledick to other people with no justification. back off and smell the coffee. There's no reason to fight or threat to fight with fists.
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I complain because the movie looks fake, and it makes me and my friends laugh because of how fake it looks. It doesn't look real to me, or any body I know. And it sort of seems weird that every other person on the talkback thinks it's looks real. So all I can do is disagree. I originally kept silent . I am none of the other people that have been said to be me. But when people started saying the haters had fled, you can see that is when I felt the need to post and say, no, there are still people who right now think it looks crummy. I understand people have churny opinions about this movie, but I just think it looks kindof stupid. That's the sum of my argument.
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What is incorrect on what I have said? No major black characters, a weakass female character who falls for a total dork because he's bad at everything. "She can see into his heart." Unbelievable.
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who was threatening me with physical violence. all because i think avatar looks like james cameron took 500 million dollars and set it on fire. as for my posting: mind your own bsiness. i do not seek the approval of you or anyone on this site. i think that 90% of the people who post on this site are assholes who deserve to be tortured.
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you are saying the same shit i was saying about this movie 2 months ago. not sure how me saying avatar looks lame is worse than you saying that avatar looks stupid. strange. anyway, ive got psychotic, degenerate, violent, cameron fans to deal with. p.s. avatar fans think that we are all the same person. so, you are obviously skitzo
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the shoe fits
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Then don't go to his level. Rise above it. We will see when the movie bombs in a few days that the public are waaaaay smarter than talkbackers. I've been asking around and nobody is going to see this friday.
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I don't want to bother copying it all, but a close read of all the reviews will show that for the most part there are tons of negative comments in each. Picking and choosing the positive remarks, Mandrake is ignoring the existence of virutally every review saying "But, all things considered, the movie isn't very good" or "it's instantly forgettable" or "I was left with no feeling for any character." Etc.
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My remark isn't about unobtainium. Pickledicks in laboratories have been giving stupid names to things for ever. My big problem is the name of the planet. It's totally unrealistic. If you look at any kind of star maps, you will see most planets and galaxies have really boring names like P03850349 or B612 or L5. They do not get fancyass names like Pandora.
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of one single person i know. maybe if this movie came out it the summer... of 1989.
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I think Cameron raped your life, dude. And if you stay this bitter and hateful, you can probably blame him for giving you cancer to.
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way of making a bad metaphor. its like pandoras box. get it? ...its so clever.
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when i was at border books and music i saw the avatar display that had the toys and stuff. the first thing that struck me is how it looked like a toy line that was aimed at 12 year old girls. i swear there should have been unicorns. i mean there are cat people and flying dragons. why are there no unicorns?
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thats a fucked up, bullshit myth about cancer. being bitter or angry does not give you cancer. and when you make statements like that you are disrespecting and belittling people with cancer. that makes you kind of an asshole.
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Lol. Oh, so you're one of those guys that's seen the proof of conspiracy but your mind has recoiled into it's protective shell to avoid the trauma having your entire world view utterly destroyed and torn apart. Plus it's just easier to chose not to believe. It's called denial. Trust me, I completely understand that you think it's all paranoid dellusions, because that's exactly how I felt . You have to do a lot of research before the true picture comes into view and reality sets in. You decided not to, you have taken the blue pill. It's aight man, like, Cypher wasn't all THAT bad. Well actually, he was a total douche, but that's just human nature, I won't hold it against you. KNow what Im sayin dawg
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all style. no substance.
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"Describing Avatar as “Pocahontas in Space” would not be too far off the mark," Thomas Caldwell"essentially boils down to an extreme version of Romeo & Juliet," Andrew L Urban"you won’t get anything new narratively," Alice Tynan"Much will be made of the photorealistic magic of Avatar – until you realize that you’re watching photorealistic blue creatures with tails riding flying dinosaurs. It’s hard to assess the bar for “realism” when a character is a distant cousin to Jar Jar Binks. “Me-sa Avatar!," Mark RamseyMore to come...
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ridley scott at least had the courage of his convictions. hey, cameron? where are my unicorns?
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that said that the 3-d was "vomit inducing".
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"Imperfect...If only Cameron had invested 1/100th of the creative energy he and the animators from Peter Jackson’s WETA Digital company put into the look of the thing toward the script, boy, what this could have been. But, as obsessed with perfection and knock your socks off visuals as the Avatar team is, they also allowed for a pretty formulaic storyline to hook it to. We’ve seen this plot countless times before but, who knows, maybe that was the thinking: we don’t have to take our eyes away from the dazzle to worry about silly little things like memorable dialogue." Joanna Langfield."The comparisons that have been made between this film and earlier movies like "The New World", "Pocahontas," "Dances With Wolves," and "A Man Called Horse" are all apt, and they're definitely bouncing around in the movie's DNA. I've also seen the comparison to "Dune" made several times as well, and I can see why," Drew McWeenyMore to come...
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Dec 14, 2009 9:16:48 PM CST
this movie truly is Ferngully crossed with Pantom Menace
by ash_williams
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lmao! oh man wheres Retard Strength when you need him, thats fuckin great.
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right here
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"gives us a cosmology totally in sync with contemporary spirituality movements -- reverence for the Earth as a living being and Oneness consciousness celebrating the interconnectedness of all,"
Frederic and Mary Ann Brussat"...endless nonsense..." Matt Paris"a rain forest (where it hardly ever rains) of gigantic trees and phosphorescent plants, of six-legged flying horses, panther dogs and hammerhead dinosaurs...what mankind might have been if it had evolved in harmony with, and not in opposition to, the Edenic environment that gave rise to its birth...the expedition, headed by sleazy entrepreneur...a Blackwater-type security force led by the malevolently macho Colonel Miles Quaritch...The story may be familiar from countless old movies, from those made out of Hollywood like Dances With Wolves (an American grows sympathetic to the tribes he was meant to annihilate) and Apocalypse Now (and any number of anti-imperialist war epics) to those made abroad, like this year's District 9 (set in South Africa, where a human becomes part-alien and is hunted down by his old own kind). Some of the dialogue in Avatar's opening sequences may be on the starchy side — Cameron has never been a great director of actors nor sympathetic to their sensitive needs —," Richard Corliss of TIMEMore to come...
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WTH u guys are funny with your conspiracy bullshit
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500 million. down the tubes. think of all the good that money could have done in the world. cameron preaches to us in this movie, all while stealing our money out of our pockets.
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"not a cinematic (groundbreaker)," Garth Franklin"when it arrives on Blu-ray and DVD – it’d be like listening to Sergeant Pepper on a tinny mobile phone speaker. vatar’s problem is that it’ll automatically get a star docked as soon as it arrives on the small screen – and that’s why it doesn’t quite live up to the massive pre-release hype. The story’s more than engaging enough to hold your attention over close to three hours, but its beats are so predictable and derivative (Cameron even borrows heavily from his own movies) that it never goes anywhere particularly surprising. Nor is it quotable or popcorny enough to be the sort of movie you can see yourself watching again and again, as you would, say, JJ Abrams’s Star Trek. The final act descends into a rather clunky mix of incongruously gung-ho action – old Cameron habits clearly die-hard – and heavy-handed ecomessage. And Leona Lewis’s Celine Dion-channelling theme song, “I See You”, has wandered in from the wrong movie," Richard EdwardsMore to come...
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You see? That's just it, Spaz. There is no "proof" of a conspiracy - only theories and conjecture. Nothing has ever held up to further analysis or eyewitness testimony. Besides, when the conclusions to a conspiracy are already decided, it negates the legitimacy of the questions. It's faulty logic and reasoning.Curious...you've clearly swallowed the Infowars/PrisonPlant mantras hook, line, and sinker but I'm wondering if you've spent any time researching the various journals, blogs, and websites devoted to examining the Truther claims. Something tells me you haven't.
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"On the Granger Movie Gauge of 1 to 10, “Avatar” is an exciting, spectacularly awesome 10. James Cameron is, once again, “king of the world," Susan Granger on AVATAR"of enormous integrity, it's exquisitely acted, beautifully written, sensitively filmed and filled with memorable moments," Susan Granger on THE SOLOIST, which she also gave a 10.More to come...
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"There are visionary filmmakers - and then there's James Cameron...That’s a familiar message – that humans are short-sightedly lining their pockets at the expense of the planet. And the dynamic that Cameron sets up here – the heedless, ignorant humans invading a native populace whose customs and values they neither know nor understand – has resonance with the American invasion of Iraq, or Vietnam, or colonialism in general," Marshall Fine"Avatar wastes little time before unleashing the spectacle. Perhaps sensing our collective anticipation, Cameron serves up the barest of backstories before shoving off for Pandora...Avatar’s technical triumph is betrayed by its maddeningly derivative storyline, which borrows elements wholesale from Dances With Wolves, The Last Samurai and countless similar films about oppressors switching sides and going native,"Thomas LeuppMore to come...
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"There is much in Avatar that is broadly drawn, clichéd even," Anton Bitel"Avatar is part National Geographic TV special, part Guns 'n' Ammo bumper edition," James O'Ehley"...certainly not the pioneering experience it's been touted as," Erin Free More to come...
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"hampered by routine narrative and cardboard characterizatons," Emanuel Levy"feels unsatisfying and somehow lacks the pulse of a truly alive film," Jake Coyle""Avatar" may well be a perfect film to desensitize young audiences before they get the call-up," Cole SmitheyMore to come...
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"“Avatar” is actually nothing new to people who have seen the likes of “2012,” “Spiderman,”...condemns modern imperialism while glorifying the lives of native people who want only to be left in peace regardless of even the good intentions of the great powers....The plot is simple enough. The visuals are the thing."More to come...
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Going with a group of ten people to witness the future in 3D Imax!
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(the previous review was Harvey S. Karten)"Avatar isn't the future of movies; it's the past. Telling a story as old as Westerns and swashbucklers and epics and, hell, Greek mythology," Katey Rich"This film has been hyped to death. "Groundbreaking!" "Amazing!" "It will change the industry!" I'm sure you've heard it all...(in some ways) it's a big fat lie," Jenna BuschMore to come...
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"It has a flat-out Green and anti-war message...It invents a new language, Na'vi, as "Lord of the Rings" did, although mercifully I doubt this one can be spoken by humans, even teenage humans....one of those films you feel you must see to keep up with the conversation...You are free to find this an allegory about contemporary politics. Cameron obviously does...I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here," Roger EbertMore to come...
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"The film is about 20 minutes too long. It is cheesy in places. There are moments which prompt unintentional laughs, not least the dodgy dialogue spouted by gung-ho Army colonel Miles Quaritch (Stephen Lang), reminiscent of the hammiest scenes from Top Gun. "If there is a hell, you might want to go there for some r&r," he growls at one point. The Na'vi indulge in some singing and swaying that wouldn't look out of place in a Celine Dion video, and there was some sniggering at the back at the imaginative methods with which Cameron has managed to protect the Na'vi ladies' modesty (endlessly inventive ways with hair braids and necklaces, since you ask)," Anita Singh"(AVATAR) all but evaporates as you watch it," Owen Glieberman"AVATAR is not the kick-ass, mind-blowing James Cameron movie I was hoping for," Chris BurnbrayMore to come...
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"no one in the general population seems to be buzzing about the movie let alone fully understands what the hell it's about," Jim Vegvoda, IGN
Avatar is not the future of storytelling or the reinvention of the wheel. It's pulp," Nick Nunziata"our exhilaration with the (approximate) first half is undercut by an increasingly deflating pffffftttt sound," Michael PhillipsMore to come... -
"Cameron has populated (his world) with characters who are strictly 2D. And sometimes not even that," Jim Schembri"go see Avatar, and then you try and describe the experience. I dare you. I double dare you," Rebecca Murray
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You know, you have GOT to be a guy to have such an ENORMOUS HATE BONER on for this.
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"No, there's no clever wordplay," Jordan Hoffman"barmy," Orlando Parfitt"the story, also by Cameron (Aliens of the Deep, Ghosts of the Abyss), takes few risks: it’s a straightforward narrative the likes of which we’ve seen many times before...moments that are cheesy or obvious...It’s Dances with Wolves, basically --," MaryAnn JohansonMore to come...
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Ask anyone who has a girlfriend and they will tell you the absolute batshit lengths we will go to prove we're right when men tell us we're wrong. It's all in good fun, though. I am simply trying to prove a point. And ask anybody with a girlfriend how far a girl will go to prove a point! :)
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avatar apologists will bury their heads in the sand though...
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"not a groundbreaker or a potential blockbuster or anything else...too conventional in too many ways - to herald it as any kind of masterpiece....Avatar (as James Cameron himself described it) as the supposed redeemer and transformer of contemporary cinema...the truth is that it's (not) the best film....of the year..."More to come...
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some of those last quotes, they're actually positive in their proper context... but keep trying... to be the biggest talkback loser in recent memory, I mean.
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I have only avoided two reviews I have seen because they were universal praise and had nothing important to say beyond upchucking the hype.
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Which ones?
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a lot of reviewers will kiss fox's ass.
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whatever you say dude. keep telling yourself that. I seem to recall going to history class in what, 5th grade, when they taugh me all about ho government conspiracies work. and yet you dumbfucks are unable to admit that the United States would do anything conspiratorial. You can't see how fucking retarded you sound? There's no proof of conspiracies, really? How about "Climategate" which the mainstream news has completely ignored for the most part? It prooves beyond any doubt that the global warming hysteria is being trumped up by a bunch of idiotic scientists who are cooking the books because the government pays them to do so. It's a PROVEN FACT in their emails that they altered the data to make and talked about oppressing alternate views from opposing scientists. It's a fucking conspiracy. Al Gore has already made a billion dollars from his credit trading investments, yet you think he gives a shit about drowning polar bears? seriously? you seriously believe that shit???!! lmao come on dude. It's called FEAR MONGERING. OOOOOH NO THE EARTH IS WARMING WERE ALL GONNA DIE! And you fucking retards keep alling for it over and over even after the WMDs fiasco. They know youre a retard so now theyre telling you the world is gonin got end if you dont pay some rich bankers from Europe carbon taxes. The bankers will fix it, dont be afraid, just pay them more taxes. Fuck youre stupid. Over and over and over and over and over again thousands of times in documented history this is what governments do. They use fear on you fucking dumbass sheep to get you lemmings to go along with their agenda, more war, more taxes, more power for them and less for you. Dont be afraid of the boogy man, just give them more money and theyll keep you safe. Pull your mouth off the government titties you little child. Grow up. I'm through with you, you guys are all th fuckin same, like I said, its denial, you cant talk rationally to a person in denial, you are mentally ill.
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Seriously, there are shapes, colours, creatures and objects on display throughout Avatar that push the eyes to the brink of their processing power.A feeling of 'did I just see that?' descends again and again.If this is the future of filmmaking, then bring it on, I say. - Leigh Paatsch
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"dodgy dialogue and dramatic imperfections - of course," Andy Lowe"Does the U.S. now rule the world? Or is this nation, exclusively, concerned about the environment? Is it the only country left? Or is it simply the best villain for global consumption?),"Todd McCarthy"Cameron fuses an action picture, a love story and a critique of human — primarily American — military-industrial folly. Here, earth is dying, and a corporation backed by mercenary marines is on the lush but hostile planet Pandora looking for a mineral called, amusingly, Unobtanium...some may dislike its apparently fashionable ecological bent. Some may decry its broad narrative and emotions," Nick CurtisMore to come...
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I actually don't consider that positive, despite the remark at the end. She may like what she's describing, but I'm not trying to change the meaning here. I'm simply pointing out that, to me, that's a big negative.
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First impressions last, and Avatar didn't make a good first impression. But the 'never judge a book by its cover' saying could easily be reworked to 'never judge a film by its first trailer.' You have to see Avatar to believe it, and even then it's nearly impossible to register all of what's on screen. In fact, stop reading this now, get a ticket, go see Avatar, and then you try and describe the experience. I dare you. I double dare you. - Rebecca Murray
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"draws deeply on Westerns, going back to "The Vanishing American" and, in particular, "Dances With Wolves." And the American tragedy in Vietnam informs much of his story," Kirk Honeycutt"t's baggy, longwinded and, for all the light-speed imagery, just not quick on its feet. Cameron used to be the tautest film-maker around, but he just got slack," Andrew PulverMore to come...
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"The analogy with the Vietnam and Iraq wars is obvious, but Cameron, in siding with the insurgents," Chris Hewitt"d. There are at least half a dozen lines that hit me in the head like a small frying pan," David Polland"However, that's not to say that 130 minutes in 3D isn't sometimes overwhelming. Glasses were being taken off, and eyes rubbed for brief intervals around the cinema," Anna KeirMore to come...
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You might consider those positive. I didn't. That's why I included them. I'm almost done, just a few more reviews to go.
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Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. - Mark Twain. 'Bout does it for me.
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"If James Cameron's storytelling abilities matched his soaring visual imagination he might have delivered the world a grand masterpiece in the long awaited Avatar. Instead, this 3D, Sci-fi, action adventure in which a human joins forces with an alien race to prevent destruction of their planet by an invading earth force is a pleasure to the eye but jarring to the ear, its hackneyed plot and ridiculous dialogue transform what ought to be awe-inspiring and moving into something often unintentionally funny," Pam Grady"Cameron’s vision owes something to...the 1992 Australian animation FernGully: The Last Rainforest. At times it verges on the tacky, like a futuristic air freshener advertisement with the colour contrast turned up to the max. The ethically accented orchestral score certainly doesn’t help matters," Wendy IdeAnd there you have it, guys. Out of all the reviews on ROTTEN TOMATOES at this point, I knowingly skipped only four that were universal praise, included four negative reviews...and the rest of the comments you read above are all from critics who supposedly liked the movie quite a bit enough to call it FRESH. RT's system is bullshit, becasue I wouldn't call ANY of those reviews I quoted above FRESH. Make of it what you will, but those are the FACTs.
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The point is, do those sound like minor quibbles to you? They sound like a bigger problem to me. If any other movie but AVATAR were put up there with those comments in it, it would be regarded as a failure. But since this is James Cameron, even the reviews that are negative are being popped up a few points to be regarded as fresh because these media critics don't want to dump too hard on the movie.
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poop on a stick
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sad, aint it?
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obviously
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who da thunk it?
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star wars prequels > avatar
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at least he didnt wear leather pants with laces and a headband.
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Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength was right.
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Anyone who wants to repost these negative reviews in any future AVATAR talkbacks has my full support.
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the Big Jim suckers-on-his Little Jim have gone quiet. Why?
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Kind of makes you wonder how they're viewed as positive, doesn't it? I know it makes me wonder.
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Don't say you're right in your own message under a different name. Try to keep your dignity.
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avatar is still 90% strong on RT, and this pathetic lowlifes just keep on trolling posting negative reviews.
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But that's my entire point, the supposed 90 percent positive reviews are anything but, sinc they attack the movie roundly as cheesy, silly, overdone, hard to look at, etc.
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You're done with me? HA! Whatever, dude. I was fighting conspiracy Flame Wars on this site back when you were still suckling on Alex Jones' teet.Look, I don't care what you believe. Just keep your leaves off of my lawn.
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and looked for and picked all the 'negative' things in them and posted them here... one by one.
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...if I didn't really despise men as much as I sometimes do, I wouldn't care. But being lumped in with a bunch of ball-hanging dicktwiddlers makes me disgusted.
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The thing is that you say they are positive reviews. I wanted to prove they are NOT so positive, but Cameron is getting extra points for being Cameron. If this movie were made by Lars Von Trier, the reviews would be 10 percent positive and 90 percent negative, even if it were the exact same movie.
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90 percent lesbian, 10 percent straight. I can enjoy the right kind of man, but men as a concept are the worst shit.
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Just laugh, dude. It's the only way to make sense of these ass pickles.
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i just cant believe this troll is actually a girl. no girl would crap this much shit on a sci-fi movie. if it's not a dude, then it must be a mutant or an evolved simian or something.
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Ash has been going at this for SEVEN FUCKING HOURS almost non-stop!!! Look at the post times!
It’s official: you are the biggest loser on this fucking site.
Also, yes, I do in fact want you to come to Chicago so we can go on a date.
But, no, seriously, it’s so I can punch you in the face.
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Weeelll, that explains everything! Hey, have you met Spaz? He's only 10% straight, too. Or at least that's what Infowars says...Heh...
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You want to really understand? I hate AVATAR because you can tell it's made for girls, for dumb idiot girls. And I have ALMOST as much contempt for dumb girls as I do for men. So, the thing is, the whole fancy blue unicorn dance shit makes me sick, just like I cry real acid tears at the thought of any girl following TWILIGHT with its bone-corset rape mentality. It's disrespectful to my gender, and so is AVATAR. The nude women and blatant sexism of this piece is just too much, hence my involvment.
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HAHAHAHAHA! You can be funny from time to time. You have my respect, if not my appreciation.
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if you're Chowder.
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Did you really quote Drew McSweeny and Richard Corliss, both whom LOVED the movie? Seriously? you just picked and chose what lines to use in thier VERy positive reviews. You realize they LOVED the movie, right? You're one of the most level-headed posters against Avatar, but that was really weak
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The purpose of my review-choices was to show that even the MOST positive reviews are addressing some serious reservations and critical flaws. I'm not trying to repaint how they feel about the movie. I even acknowledge in the messages that many of the reviews I post, most in fact, are from reviews that overall are trying to be very positive about the film, but even the most positive are talking about problems, big flaws and a lack of originality and most of all a denial that it's really any kind of epic change of the game. But I do really appreciate your compliment. I find that I'm not being attacked like many trolls. I don't know if it's my gender or if it's because other people see what you see. But I do thank you.
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people are taking this shit WAAAAY to serious, and even though im really excited for it, i can appreciate other peoples poins of view when they at least TRY to articulate them. But enough with the love fest...let the bickering continue
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Fuck you, Mel! You smell like poop! How's that?
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— Your point seems to be that you chose to highlight the portions of the film that YOU are uninterested in. That's fair enough, but highly disingenuous to post selective quotes. If your point is to showcase what you consider it's weak points to show "…ALMOST as much contempt for dumb girls as I do for men…" then it's just a misanthropic and cynical worldview your trying to bolster. Your not giving criticism; your promoting screed.And, a lot of women no doubt go on at length to prove an argument, though that doesn't make them right, just as men will do idiotic things like try to appease emotion with logic.
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...I didn't mean between us. I meant between Ashy-asshole and everybody else. id prefer to see the glass-half-full, so ill enjoy the flick but to each its own...
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Fair enough. My point was to showcase that reviews called positive might not be as positive as they seem when viewed from a different point.
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Just not a fan of the penis is all.
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Average review 7.6. Certainly not up there with the likes of Hurt Locker at 98% and average review of 8.4. But certainly not down at the 2012 level of 39% and average of 5.1 or TF2 at 19% and average of 3.9.
If you read only RefutetheHype or Ash's comments you would think its on par with TF2 or at best 2012.
I think the Star Wars comparissons are very relevant. Again a movie at the time was praised for its technological achievements, but not overly praised on story, writing or acting by a lot of critics. Avatar seems to be getting more positive comment on those fronts. Will be interesting to see whether this movie inspires the next generation of filmmakers and has the young and young at heart watching it on repeat viewings. -
—if it's not your thing go with what you like. I love the cat so, that's my meal of choice.
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But when it's blue I get a little suspicious. :) And that's my AVATAR quote of the night. :)
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lol @ the rest of this talkback roflcopters yo lets play guess which ghost is nerd rage retard survey says.....RefutetheHype!
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lol @ the rest of this talkback roflcopters yo lets play guess which ghost is nerd rage retard survey says.....RefutetheHype!
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Dec 15, 2009 1:54:09 AM CST
well. by plaigerizing a classic story (which the original star w
by spazatronik2000
at least Cameron has avoided creating a meandering, lifeless, boring, muddled but original mess like Phantom Menace's story. Which slowly picks up steam through clones and turns out o.k. in the 3rd.
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I'm OK with STAR WARS, all 6. And I'm not Nerd_Rage. I think he goes too far. I think he is Ash_Williams and even said so.
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was the 3D version scope or 1.85 ? I heard it was going to be 1.85, but the cinema says its scope...
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The cunt has a certain smell and he reeks of it.
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= massively pwned by Ace of Wands
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I'm ready to be eyefucked Jim!!!!!!!!
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Dec 15, 2009 8:57:09 AM CST
Wow, Ace, you totally let the point slide up the wrong chute
by refutethehype
What you're "accusing" me of is the exact point. What I'm saying is just what you said. First off, to suggest they're out of context isn't right, since the context of those comments is that they're negative. Second, the idea of my posts was to point out that Cameron is getting a free pass when no other filmmaker would. In other words, the reviews that are "positive" and say "go see this movie, you'll love it" also say the movie is dumb, cheesy, knuckleheaded, with poor acting and overdone CG, ugly, hurt your eyes, tacky, bad dialogue, etc. But yet, in the end, most of these reviews that contain that kind of criticism end up saying "BUT GO SEE IT IS BEST MOVE EVER!" THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE! Cameron is getting a free pass but these media critics still are hedging their bets. That's what I'm trying to SAY. "This is one of the dumbest movies ever, with bad dialogue and wooden performances and too much CG and bad motion capture and silly storyines pulled from copying a thousand other movies - CAN'T MISS IT, GO SEE IT NOW!" The types of criticisms I included would be grounds for total failure in any other movie, but for some reason Cameron is getting away with faults that would doom any other film. Explanation? AVATAR apologists, is what it is. Plus, they're media critics who will do whatever they can to sugarcoat a bad movie when it comes to any fi;m that is critical of Us foreign policy and "supports the insurgents," as one critic said.
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On the racism post you made, whaaaaaat? Trying to find talented black actors is like MISSION IMPOSSIBLE? I don't follow.
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Listen you blue people, you fucking Bliggers, get your ass outta here ya hear!!!
We don't like your Pteradactlycoon asses round here, fucking 'coons!! Bliggers!! Get your Blue Navee asses right up on outta here.
Tuuuukkk 'ur JUUUBS!! -
Worthington!!
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On outta here now.............
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The whole thing plays out like a monstrel show, doesn't it?
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This refute the hype guy is really really annoying. I have no problem with hating on something, but posting endless review quotes and doing anything and everything to try and show the movie sucks, well that's just annoying.If there is one place where the words of one person cannot change the opinions of others, it's here (AsimovLives has been on a holy quest to change people's opinions of Star Trek for 8 stinkin months, and as far as I can tell, no one's opinion has changed...no disrespect meant Asi). We are all quite stubborn, and strongly opinionated here, so this guy may as well give it up. Endless review quotes and badmouthing is not going to make people not see this if they have already decided to do so. Give it up, you are fighting a losing battle. No one cares.
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Triple Unobtanihops brewed
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Cryosleep ford pickup, runs over Pandoran e-mail box.
"They TOOK R JUUUUUUUbz" -
FUCKING YEAH
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because I want to wait and see if the bitter, insular internet fanboy crowd is proven completely wrong....But I just wanted to point out that Avatar has been nominated for best film by the golden globes. I dont give a shit what anyone says, but if you dont like the fact that a sci-fi film is getting this kind of recognition from the useally snobbish, anti-genre awards, then as far as im concerned you are dead inside....
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Any number of oppressed and exploited people can identify with the Na'vi. Tibetans, Palestinians, Sudanese, Liberians, you name it. Hell, this movie is playing out EXACTLY like what is going on in Peru today, where the native people are in a conflict with the military over land and water disputes.
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Buckaroo Billy and the Bliggers from the 8th Dimensional layer
Directed by RefutethehyPe (sic)
Produced By Joel Silver
A Waaqchowski Tranny presentation
Distributed by Orion Pictures
Ext. Earth - Afternoonish
BUCKAROO BILLY: Those Bliggers took r jubs again, the seventh dimension is now completely overrun. I need some god damn spacewiser.
DIOXHOLSTER: Sir, the rocket powered shitty pickup truck (this is from the real Buckaroo Bonzai, FAIL!!!) is ready. We have Chevron lock.
BUCKAROO BILLY: Hope in the back 'Holstey, were hitting it! Mach 3 engage!
Ext. Bank of Assmerica- Day
*explosion*
BANK MANAGER: Hello, Police, there's been somekind of break in. There was this light, very bright, that had this portal like look to it...it appeared right in the goddamn vault man. It was....like a portal.....a...a....
POLICE OPERATOR GUY: Oh, a Stargate....hold please.
DET. BARTLEBY McGRUFF: Hello, StarGate victims unit. You got McGruff.
BANK MANAGER: Yes, I'm a greedy asshole manager over here at Bank of Assmerica. We have had a robbery. This portal thing opened, and these blue creatures came out...and....AND......ohh god the horror!
McGRUFF: Get a hold of yourself man, those were Navi. They have been trying to rape and pillage our dimension for years. They want reparations for when we took their land. Now they are staging these damn Indian rading parties............
BANK MANAGER: Wait, they are still here I think, no please.....it's like a Thunder Cat.......no, it's Smur..............god no...........blarrrghhhhh..........
McGRUFF: Good god, it's happening.
To be cont...........
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"Those Bliggers took r jubs again…" had me fall out. THAT was funny as hell.
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I think a good thing came from that post, a great new spin off for SyFy!!
Law & Order SVU 'StarGate Victims Unit'
Starring Richard Gere as Detective Bartleby McGruff
and
David Blue as Special Agent M00bs McTittyFuck
DAD_FROM_ALF: McGruff, McTitty', get in here NOW!
McGRUFF: Yes, captain?
DAD_FROM_ALF Benson n' Stabler just got raped near a stargate by a giant ori dildo, and were killed. You two just got promoted.
Duuunnn dunnn duuh duh duuuuhh duuuhhhh...do dooooo doooo, dooo do do do, guitar twang, guitar twang.............gutiar twang, gutiar twang, booob oooo bechchika'a waaaoooooowowowowoo
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...by Call of Duty... I bought the game over the weekend, been playin it for hours, and I swear my eyeballs were fucked without lube...But on the subject of Avatar, eh, it could be good just hate these type of films (a char does immoral things, falls in love, sees the error of his ways, then he becomes savior-like)...
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...by Call of Duty... I bought the game over the weekend, been playin it for hours, and I swear my eyeballs were fucked without lube...But on the subject of Avatar, eh, it could be good just hate these type of films (a char does immoral things, falls in love, sees the error of his ways, then he becomes savior-like)...
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out of 4. And it just got nominated for a Golden Globe for best picture. So, obviously, everyone hates it.
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Dec 15, 2009 2:00:09 PM CST
Avatar - Best Picture and Cameron Best Director Noms
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
at Golden Globes. This is extraordinary, better than even us champions of the movie could have predicted. To have a sci-fi movie, even a great one, honored by awards bodies notoriously resistant to the genre, proves Avatar's muscle.Now, haters, watch as my astronomical predictions for the box office grosses start to come true this week, and grow and grow as word of mouth spreads.SAG, you've been missed, brother, we could have used your thoughts to help further embarrass the trolls and scum, though I appreciate you want to avoid these energy draining talkback cesspools. I am not going to post again until after I have seen the movie. We will all see the glory this weekend, and even starting tomorrow for those of us in certain territories.
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It's not 100% anymore HERC, you Doof!
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and his pretentious crap.
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do the 3D character CGI work in Precious?
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Well, I would just like to say that that's what I'm doing right now at RefutetheHype/Chocolatewoman, Ash Williams/Nerd Rage Retard Strength, and Spazatronik2000, after witnessing what bilge they have been posting - almost non-stop - since I last checked in here. And of course, everyone of sense has checked out, as I am about to do as well, leaving these neanderthal-like cretins to roll in their septic juices. These people - and I mean this in complete seriousness - must be a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or - again, in all seriousness - spies from CHUD or some other party with a vested interest in seeing Avatar fail. In any case, they clearly have too much free time and no lives to speak of. My advice to these wastrels is to gain some self-respect, get a fucking job, and become productive members of society (some hope).
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that's not really a review. He likes it but his review is obnoxious.
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Dec 15, 2009 3:13:41 PM CST
Poll: Less Than 1/3 Of Americans Believe “Most Scientists Agree”
by spazatronik2000
WWW.PRISONPLANET.COM. HEY MR NICE GAY HOWS IT FEEL TO BE AMONG THE 1/3 WHO ARE DROOLING MINDLESS IMBECILES? ROFFL WHAT A DUMBFUCK
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A FEW SANDWICHES SHORT OF A PICNIC - THATS ORIGINAL IM GONNA MAKE A NOTE TO SELF AND USE THAT ONE, BRILLIANT SIR, WELL PLAYED. JAR JAR IN DA JUNGLE 3D - BLUEBERRY MILKSHAKE BOOGALOO - IS AN INSTANT CLASSIC ACCORDING TO TURD BURGLER, HEY TURD ARE YOU A FECAL FREAK? THATS GROSS BRO
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I HOPE ITS AS GOOD AS CRASH
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YEAH
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The story had potential 10 years ago, but finally we get another chance at it. Sully is much more macho than that puny Brit-Frenchy Pee-kard. Muahahahahaha!
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Disturbing as hell but, it's a great mix of Ballard and Cronenberg. Did you see "A History of Violence"?
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http://tinyurl.com/yawmuwj
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/robinhood/
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Dec 15, 2009 6:43:41 PM CST
A *FEW* SANDWICHES?! MORE LIKE THE WHOLE KIT AND KABOODLE!!
by bringingsexyback
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I'm pretty pretty sure he's not talking about the Cronenberg Crash.
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A cast of mainly unknowns.
Groundbreaking Special Effects.
A simple story of Good and Evil.
And Star Wars didn't have this level of word of mouth or Golden Globe nominations at this stage.
We Have Multiplexes here that are dedicating ALL screens to Avatar, this is CrAzY.
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Nice work. Kudos.
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Quote: "Poll: Less Than 1/3 Of Americans Believe “Most Scientists Agree”Uh, agree about what? Are you talking about AVATAR or another one of your conspiracy website headlines? Let us know in case you're not having a conversation with yourself.
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looked really hot on Letterman. Ribisi on Fallon was OK. Tom Arnold on Conan gave a shout out to Avatar. Cameron on Conan Wednesday.
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would happen. And it has. AVATAR is lauded as this special effect game changer. You know what? Go to a blues show in New Orleans. Are there special effects? Listen to a bayou tour storyteller on even the most tourist-trap boat. Talk to someone who has been to war who lives in a nursing home. Find a Hurricane Katrina victim or find someone to discuss it with what it was like to live through the Astrodome incident.None of the things I just described require even a dollar of special effects, and you know they are photo real people, too. And they, unlike AVATAR, probably have a heart.
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i watched the 'totally rad show' review of avatar. i like that show and respect the hosts, they gave the movie an overwhelmingly positive review... but, the entire review centered around the visuals. they did not mention the writing, story or acting in the movie once. not once. no mention at all. it felt like a 'plant' review.
the shitty story, dialogue and acting are what really ruins the movie. its all style and no substance. like transformers 2. (the blue cat people are still lame.) -
avatars visuals with district 9's story and it's execution of that story, then you might have something.
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that this movie really is ferngully / phantom menace / dances with wolves. that is now a fact. suck it. i was right.
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Are comparing it to FERNGULLY, Ash.
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Love how the Thanator's growl is recycled from JURASSIC PARK. Classy.
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how when he leaps off the cliff toward the waterfall there's a too long moment when he's pumping his legs and arms in the middle of the air and comes off like Wile. E. Coyote. Nice.
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I just watched another clip, in which they actually refer to winning "the hearts and minds" of the natives. I wonder how many times we'll hear "stay the course" or "mission accomplished."
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the creatures they ride. kinky
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it had less of a story than even Avatar does. Apartheid with SHRIIIIIIIMP!!!!
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it's drowned.
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with the folks at WETA - nerdy conversation will follow
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Can we get back to how awesome Avatar is gonna be?
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It's the sweat of flop pouring off Fox Studios. They know the wave is coming.
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Dec 15, 2009 10:28:22 PM CST
UN Goons Silence Journalist Who Questions Gore On Climategate
by spazatronik2000
PRISONPLANET.COM
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Should totally get together. I mean, Ash is a "man" and Refute is a "woman"...they both hate Avatar and James Cameron...they're obviously the two smartest people here...
I say you two lovebirds get together and have bitter, angry (probably fat) sex. It's really a win/win: you two get laid and it keeps you off of this TB fpr. what, a good two, three minutes, right? -
I'm fat. I admit it. I'm not holy shit dudes check out this video of this chick in an inappropriately small bikini eating pudding fat, but I'm fat.
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Dec 16, 2009 2:28:59 AM CST
smackaddictfromhell--- a simple story of good and evil?
by dioxholsterreturns
who the fuck is evil in it? i think the Na'vi need to be wiped out.
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— I'm sure your screening will be sweet.
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for putting the band "Skunk Anansie" on the "Strange Days" soundtrack. It's the exact sound that was needed at the time.
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AT LAST
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Are you on the list? Is there a queue? Are you seeing it in IMAX? Or RealD?
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one of the perks of working for the Wellywood empire I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellywood
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Dec 16, 2009 4:21:16 AM CST
Now, I'm wondering if I could be MORE envious of Fineus Fog
by blakindigo
Geezus. Fucking. Christ.
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He's certainly fond of yelling "wake up" and calling people "sheep", which of course begs the question: what exactly is Spazatronik doing to bring freedom to our "prison planet"? I'll tell you: he isn't doing shit.
Tinfoil hatters like Spaz suck greedily at the teat of conspiracy theories because they lend mystery to a post-modern world where religious fundamentalism and superstition are increasingly pushed back in the western world by science and rationality. Conspiracies lurking behind every perceived obstacle or difficulty in life serve two functions:
1) pinning the blame on someone - ANYONE! - but yourself for your lot in life
2) absolving you of any power or responsibility for changing your lot in life since you are a mere "slave" under the heel of the cabal
Don't be fooled -- Spaz LOVES the notion of secretive overlords plotting his every move in life, and wouldn't want to have it any other way. He's the true definition of a loser. -
Dec 16, 2009 6:45:23 AM CST
my eyeballs are getting wet not sure i can wait till saturday
by miyamoto_musashi
booked tickets at IMAX
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Dec 16, 2009 7:28:11 AM CST
I BELIEVE IN THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS HOOEY
by bringingsexyback
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You really are a asshole aren't you? Go see the fucking movie dipshit. Oh wait, on second thought, don't, because this is what will happen....you will see it, be determined to hate it and love it, but you will come back here and say it was crap because if you wind up admitting you liked it you will look like the biggest asshole in the world. People like you are really really sad. No one should be mad at you, we should pity you for having so much hate in you, and over a fucking movie.
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though some of the comments about this site only reviewing movies made by their friends or who gave them something special was a little crazy or over the top, but I can see where you could get that idea.
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i am just too excited to write right now
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AND I WILL SEE IT TOMORROW AGAIN
CAMERON IS THE FUCKING KING OF THE WORLD BABY. -
it's taken a good hour or so for them to forgive me - the 3D is not vomit-inducing BUT I constantly felt on the verge of a headache and it takes a good while to consciously stop your eyeballs from wanting to wander around the gigantic screen because you cannot make things go UNBLURRY so just look at what Cameron wants you to look at, ok?
story is not the most original, but really, that's not what you paid extra for the 3D IMAX ticket for - story
it's good enough
in keeping with the non-spoilerness of this post I will simply say I kept thinking "ok that's pretty cool" throughout the whole thing
the bad guy pulls out one of the most badass moves in the history of badass moves, that actually wasn't quite as spectacular as what I THOUGHT he was going to do, but is still pretty cool
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That is bullshit!
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After nearly a year of not giving a shit about this film and being less than impressed by the trailer and left cold by the plot snippets I'd heard here my expectations were pretty low and I was fully prepared to come back saying it was too cartoony, the plot unoriginal and cliche ridden and that JC had lost his edge and this thing was a turd.And then I saw it and, although my eyeballs haven't been raped, it is fair to say my arse got thoroughly kicked. It is fucking great. Everything worked. The action, the story, the effects, the performances (especially Sigourney Weaver and Giovanni Ribsi) all did the fucking business.Yes there were a few cheesy moments and yes I think you will be missing out if you don't see it in 3D but Jim Cameron is fucking good at his job and the level of detail, choice of shots and understanding of the audience likes to see shows why he IS the best at what he does and I was an arse to doubt him.People will say that the 3D shouldn't have any impact on whether or not it works but to me it was an essential component of the film - same as shooting it in colour or having a soundtrack. Doesn't feel like a gimmick in the slightest.Up there with Moon, District 9 and Star Trek (hello Asi) in my list of most enjoyable cinema experiences this year.
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1.85 - but some of the shit will be happening in the row immediately in front of you, if you know what I mean ;)
so I read a couple other posts above - is someone scouring the net for EVERY review they can find? jeez man, have some friggin PATIENCE - you will see it YOURSELF soon enough!
I'll tell you right now, no spoilers, everything they say is true - there are a couple hokey moments, there's the odd dodgy bit of dialog, the plot is not hard to follow - or predict, the animation is FUCKING SPECTACULAR, there is a bit of humour, the 3D IS LIKE NOTHING YOU'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE, your eyes will probably hurt, it's long but well paced... what have I missed?
IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY
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on aicn. now, thats an acomplishment. its funny that GeneralJackCosmo calls people "homo" when he has been trying to get a date with me for days. and he cant stop raving about the taste of james cameron's cock or the feeling of jc hot cum splashing across his eyeballs.
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the fact that it gets compared to titanic says it all. titanic was a horrible piece of shit. how can any real scifi action movie fan praise titanic? avatar was made for 12 year old girls. fact. avatar is all style, no substance. fact. cgi is the opium of the masses. fact. all you cameron fans should get on your knees and prepare for the "coming" of "little jim". hee hee
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who claimed that avatar would be the greatest movie of all time. they are all conspicuously absent. you know who you are. nothing to say now huh? p.s. i saw a purple unicorn in one of the jungle scenes...
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will smother this movie in its crib. remember watchmen? and i liked that movie. just finished watching the directors cut. awesome. purists be damned. i dont need no squid.
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are making a lot of excuses for the story, writing and dialogue in these talkbacks...
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"ride" a unicorn...?
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the reviewer spent the whole review talking about the "cool" cgi bugs in the jungle. no mention at all of story, writing, acting or dialogue. i guess when you have cool cgi you dont need good acting, story, dialogue or writing... right?
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meh.
god help us all if they make an avatar comic book. that will bomb fast. -
and falling! hahaahahahHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHA...
suck it! -
RIP mate and thanks for the laughs.
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then count me out. i would rather have a good story that good special effects. and i like special effects. the problem is that avatar is pushing things in the direction on transformers 2. all visual style no substance. that sucks
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7 out of 10 so far... hardly the greatest movie ever.
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your post makes absolutely no fucking sense. lay off the whistkey and weed for a while, ok buddy? now go back to sleep...
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Just watched in in Hong Kong. It's great. Only flaw is Sam worthington is a stiff. And the story is a little predictable. But still a whole lot of fun. Saw it in digital 3D. I'll watch it again in Imax 3d. Neytiri is sexy =p
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Please go away. I don't usually complain about people like you as it is your right to post, etc, but you are super annoying. It's not even that I disagree with you, it's just that your whole temperament is so off-putting and your negativity is so sad and bleak and mean-spirited and depressing. Please, please, go away.
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Tis better to skip 'oer any posts with JackAsh's name, because when you respond it only fans the flame(r). To call him a half-wit would be demeaning to such people who had no choice in the matter and escalating his true intelligence by one quarter!
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I thought about asking him to go away, but then I thought, he's gonna receive the ban hammer anyway, so why waste words?
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A right prick in the fucking ass.
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Ash is the latter.
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from Camerons cock in his ass and his mouth has really taken a toll on the nitwit, so sad. :(
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...he's a LAPPER. Camerons nutsack can attest to that!
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Wooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooo
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Why hasn't the banhammer dropped on Spaz and Ash yet? Off topic, borderline racist spam and mind-bogglingly retarded carpet-bomb-style trolling is kosher here now, huh? There's no point in trying to have a discussion with these douchebags hanging around, it's like trying to have a debate while some guy in the audience is loudly raping a chimpanzee. Seriously, for all the banning you guys do for minor infractions, you really need to grow some balls and do some TB moderation to keep out the most virulent retards, or this site will lose it's last shreds of relevancy and turn into just another internet watering hole for genetic dead-ends, like the IMDB boards or CHUD. FFS, do some housecleaning. -
he keeps it on the down low - 1 post. And he likes Zooey, so that gets an automatic pass.
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Dec 16, 2009 3:38:26 PM CST
WHERE DOES A FAT GIRL GET OFF DISSING JAMES CAMERON ANYWAY?
by bringingsexyback
Get your own house in order before casting stones at others.
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I don't mind Diox because at least he keeps his SGU rants short and sweet. And Refute's not really that bad, because he/she's actually attempting to engage in a discussion with others on the movie... but Spaz? Ash? Does ANYONE actually want to talk to them, or think they're trying to do anything but troll this site? Spaz isn't even trolling Avatar, he should have a sandwich board and a loudspeaker in Times Square. And yet people like Turd or Xiphos get banned for poking a little fun at the staff? AICN needs some priorities. Hell, ban me for saying it, if you want, but it needs to be said. -
I think the mods are, generally, highly tolerant. But if you happen to catch one in a bad mood, tread carefully. They're kinda like women in that respect.
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And it seems impossible to offend Harry, so I wonder who's got their finger on the button? Is this tolerance of Spaz and Ash payback from Beaks for making fun of his top 100 list? Sorry, Beaks, Semi-Pro was great, now can you take out the trash?
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Saw it an hour ago... Yes, the story is almost cheesy sometimes and without many surprises or twists ... But ... prepare to be blown away. See it in 3D if you can. I have to watch this movie again. At least twice ...
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chat with some of today's top directors. What the fuck is Lee Daniels doing there though?
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Film wise, it's not the most groundbreaking sci-fi film ever, but it's a great fun blockbuster. My only real grumble is some of the 3D at the base makes the actors look a bit super-imposed onto a background. I'd like to see this in 2D as well, the Pandora stuff looked beautiful though, even if it did look a bit like the colourful plant planet from Order 66. worthington was a lot better here than in Terminator, but Weaver and Rodriguez were the acting highlights for me. Coulda done with Arnie in there, somewhere. Hopefully the sequel!
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sad, sad, twat. i feel sorry for you
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wah wah wah! ban him mommy! hge disagrees with me! ban him! wahhhh!
you are all a bunch of sad pathethic cunts.
zing! -
that all of the random negative descriptions of me all, guaranteed, apply to all of you. hahaahahahahhahahahaha. losers.
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loser.
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i have been coming to this site since 1998 and 95% of the people who post here are scum. so, fuck you and suck it! you all can dish it out, but you cant take it, can you? that is the mark of a pathetic pussy. like the type of pussy who would think that avatar is even a remotely good movie.
tee hee. you fucking retards are shitting your pants right now, right? -
no one is discussing avatar. all anybody is saying is: geat visuals, shitty story and acting. (just like transformers 2. you all like transformers 2, right?)
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i harbor a lot of contempt for the people who post here.
not the people who write or run this site, though. unlike most of you, i dont make fat jokes about harry. i dont put down his wife either. unlike most of you fuck heads. you all like making fat jokes and loser jokes? right? well, i would bet money that 80% of you are over weight and the other 20% are skinny little wormy pieces of shit. you know its true. and you know what? 95% of people who post on this site are "losers" too. so, go suck big jims cock and let him cum in your eyes. 3-d will save your life. cgi will make you a winner and imax will get you a girlfriend.
zing! -
Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength was right
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top 100 list, huh? hypocrite, douche bag.
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that is a cold hard fact. blomlamp is a far superior director than cameron. jc is washed up and needs to let a new generation do their thing. jj's star trek is also > avatar. story matters. acting matters. avatar = style over substance.
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looks like a ToTo album cover.
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who want camerons cock up their asses. and in their eyes. remember? your not that smart, huh?
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My other favourite reviewer David Stratton (Australian) enjoyed it as well.
Still 84% at rottentomatoes, 94% with top critics (though only 18 reviews counted for top critics).
Seeing it in two days in IMAX, can't wait -
jesus jumping christ.
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Dec 16, 2009 8:28:51 PM CST
"i harbor a lot of contempt for the people who post here."
by ebonic_plague
Good, it's mutual, you're officially the most obnoxious cunt on AICN, congrats, now fuck off.
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and i wouldn't say who.
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is your posting debut?!?!? Get back to lurking you fuck this place is paradise without you!!!
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Dec 16, 2009 9:32:38 PM CST
OF COURSE YOU HARBOR CONTEMPT FOR PEOPLE WHO POST HERE
by bringingsexyback
You wish you had Harry's vast legion of talkbackers instead of the bare handful at Chud. Here's some free advice. Get rid of the black background, loser. Maybe then I'll patronize your establishment. Now git.
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bwahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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zing!
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while you throw your tantrum? (theKRELL, thumb shoved in mouth. tears streaming down cheeks. poop in diaper.)
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"blomlamp is a far superior director than cameron"?no seriously,?I loved D9 but that has to be the stoopidest thing I have read here in a long, long time.No wonder no-ones taking you seriously
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Everyone was right all along.JackAsh>Total LoserJackAsh>Asshole
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Box-office numbers from today, anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Beuler? Frye? Anyone? Anyone? Frye? Frye?Thanks for the vote of confidence, ebonic. Except your remark of he/she, I'm getting sort of tired of that. What, do I need to rub my pussy in the face of the whole talkback before I'm believed? As someone who dislikes men, I get offended.
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The Box-office???
Your final desperate bid to find fault. Critical success and Golden Globe Nominations are what this film will be remembered for. Not your insane cross/dressing fantasies.
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