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5.6 (3.2) (5.2) (5.0) (4.7) (4.7) (3.8) (5.3) (4.8) (4.7) (5.3) (4.7) Big Bang Theory 5.4 (8.5) (4.8) (4.1) (6.5) (5.1) (5.2) (5.5) (5.4) (9.0) (6.6) (5.9) Monday Night Football 5.0 (3.2) (4.7) (4.7) (4.6) (4.4) (3.5) (4.8) (4.6) (4.4) (4.8) (4.5) Two and a Half Men 3.7 (2.5) (3.7) (3.7) (4.0) (3.7) (3.1) (3.9) (4.0) (3.9) (4.1) (4.3) CSI: Miami 3.5 (2.0) (3.7) (3.4) (3.5) (3.5) (2.6) (3.4) (3.5) (3.4) (3.6) (3.6) How I Met Your Mother 2.8 (1.7) (3.1) (2.8) (2.9) (3.1) (2.1) (3.3) (3.0) (2.8) (3.1) (3.3) Accidentally On Purpose 2.5 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Santa Claus is Comin’ To Town 2.3 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Carrie Underwood 2.1 (1.6) (2.7) (2.5) (2.4) (2.4) (2.5) (2.4) (2.4) (2.2) (2.2) (2.3) Castle 1.8 (1.6) (2.0) (1.9) (1.5) (1.8) (2.1) (1.6) (1.7) (1.7) (1.7) (2.0) WWE Raw (10pm) 1.7 (1.7) (1.8) (1.8) (1.6) (1.7) (2.0) (1.7) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.7) WWE Raw (9pm) 1.6 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Law & Order SVU (9pm) 1.6 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Men of a Certain Age 1.5 (2.0) (2.9) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Find My Family 1.4 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Law & Order SVU (8pm) 1.4 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) The Closer 1.4 (1.2) (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) The Jay Leno Show 1.2 (1.1) (0.5) (1.2) (1.3) (1.1) (1.3) (1.0) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) One Tree Hill 1.2 (1.1) (0.5) (1.2) (1.3) (1.0) (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (1.0) Gossip Girl 1.1 (1.2) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Pawn Stars (10:30pm) 1.1 (1.5) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Hoarders 1.1 (1.2) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Intervention 1.0 (1.1) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Pawn Stars (10pm) 0.9 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Alice 0.7 (0.6) (1.0) (0.8) (-----) (-----) (1.0) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Cake Boss 0.7 (0.7) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) For The Love of Ray J 2 0.6 (0.6) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) I Want To Work For Diddy 2 0.5 (0.6) (-----) (0.5) (-----) (0.9) (0.8) (0.7) (----) (----) (----) (----) Little People, Big World 0.5 (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (-----) (0.5) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Million Dollar Listing 0.2 (0.2) (0.2) (0.3) (0.2) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Rita Rocks

Figures in grey represent repeats. * “Big Bang Theory” hit a crazy series high and solidified its status as TV’s top scripted series. Blame Fox, which pre-empted “House” and “Lie To Me” with a much-lower-rated special starring “American Idol” vet Carrie Underwood, and ABC, which has momentarily replaced megahit “Dancing With The Stars” with plummeting new reality series “Find My Family.” * “Two and a Half Men” benefited as well, scoring its best rating of the season. “Bang” and “Two” were the highest-rated scripted shows of last seven days, beating even an usually strong showing from Sunday’s “Desperate Housewives.” * TNT’s “Men of a Certain Age” enjoyed the year’s biggest cable series launch in 18-49, and the second-biggest launch in total viewers (with 5.4 million, just short of “Royal Pains’” 5.6) * “Leno” for the second week in a row came in sixth place at 10 p.m., this time behind ESPN’s “Monday Night Football,” CBS’ “CSI Miami,” ABC’s “Castle,” USA’s “WWE Raw” and TNT’s “Certain Age.” * Would it not be cheaper (and probably better for Conan, Fallon and the late news) for NBC to just run repeats of "SVU" at 10 p.m. instead of "Leno"? Find James Hibberd’s analysis here.
Sunday 18-49 Finals (prior Sundays in parentheses):

10.0(8.4)(----)(9.7)(----)(10.9)(10.7) (----) (----) (----) (----) Fox Football Overrun 6.8 (7.7) (6.6) (8.6) (8.5) (----) (5.9) (7.2) (6.2) (7.4) (6.8) NBC Sunday Night Football 4.9 (4.4) (----) (5.0) (4.4) (5.0) (4.7) (4.6) (4.6) (5.0) (4.7) Desperate Housewives 3.7 (3.4) (3.7) (3.4) (3.5) (3.3) (3.4) (3.3) (3.3) (2.8) (3.4) The Amazing Race 3.7 (2.9) (----) (3.2) (2.9) (3.3) (3.3) (3.2) (3.0) (3.2) (3.0) Brothers & Sisters 3.7 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) BCS Selection Show 3.0 (3.0) (----) (3.7) (3.0) (3.3) (3.0) (3.0) (3.0) (3.4) (3.1) Extreme Makeover: HE 3.0 (4.4) (3.9) (4.2) (4.1) (----) (----) (4.2) (4.5) (5.1) (5.2) Family Guy 2.5 (4.2) (3.3) (4.3) (----) (----) (----) (4.1) (3.7) (4.4) (4.3) The Simpsons 2.2 (----) (2.1) (2.1) (1.7) (1.7) (1.8) (----) (1.9) (2.2) (2.1) Cold Case 2.1 (3.3) (2.8) (3.0) (2.0) (----) (----) (3.1) (3.5) (3.6) (3.6) American Dad 2.0 (2.6) (3.3) (2.2) (3.8) (2.2) (2.1) (3.2) (3.5) (2.2) (3.2) 60 Minutes 2.0 (2.1) (1.8) (2.3) (2.0) (2.0) (2.3) (1.9) (2.2) (2.2) (----) AFH Videos 1.6 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) NCIS Los Angeles 1.1 (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (0.8) (0.7) (0.5) (0.6) (----) Dexter 1.0 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Alice 0.8 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Robin Williams 0.7 (0.7) (0.6) (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) Tough Love 2 0.6 (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (1.0) (0.5) (0.7) (0.8) (1.2) (-----) (----) Girls Next Door 0.5 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) Phineas & Ferb 0.5 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) College Bowl Selection 0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (----) Californication

Figures in grey represent repeats. * Sunday’s penultimate “Dexter” hit an all-time high for a Showtime series and the channel’s most watched telecast since a 1999 boxing match. * The “Amazing Race” finale hit a season high in total viewers. * “Brothers & Sisters” hit a season high against the first Sunday repeat of “NCIS LA” (replacing the cancelled “Three Rivers”). James Hibberd’s analysis is here.
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  • Dec. 8, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Dexter has been outstanding.

    by eggbeater

    It's just been a solid season. I'm just worried we are gonna be left with a crazy cliffhanger. Usually everything's answered by the second to last episode. Not this season. And what the deal with great 4th seasons. Lost, Dexter, The Wire, House. All great 4th seasons. weird.

  • Dec. 8, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Dexter is amazing, better be talkback for the finale

    by zerogundamx

    Also: Heroes is great, suck it herc.

  • Dec. 8, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Herc, just to reaffirm a point

    by YackBacker

    These daily updates on ratings have been awesome. Keep up the good work.

  • Dec. 8, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Dexter is better than all the movies this year

    by CherryValance

    So far anyway. Can't wait to see what happens in the finale.

  • Dec. 8, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Go Dexter, even though you knew it was coming

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    that last scene in that episode was great.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Imagine these on a graph...

    by ROBRAM89

    Ever heard of the Long Tail, anybody? I can't think of a better illustration. Look at the differences between the top few shows and the smattering of nearly-identical numbers everywhere else. The 90/10 rule is fucking scary.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Dexter is kind of meh? No?

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    It's been better than last season, that's for sure. But I fear that Dexter is starting to become 24. "Same shit, different season". With the most recent episode, it gives me hope that there will be a game changer for the series. I would love it if Dexter puts away Trinity for good, but Trinity has some contingency plan to reveal Dexter's past crimes (maybe his killing of that innocent photographer might come out?). This would force Dexter to run from his friends and family, finally becoming a killer (would make sense with the familial theme this season [especially since things are looking up for him] and the 'four sides' of Dexter theme). It would be cool to watch Dexter trying to reconnect with Harrison and Rita while incognito, his former friends and colleagues going after him, and Deb being conflicted with her allegiance to her brother and her duty as a detective. Plus, they can cut out the fat. Does anyone really care about Quinn? Even Angel? Put Dexter on the road. Have him dodge the cops. And throw in some kills every now and then. I'll be thoroughly intrigued.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Oh and why do people watch Big Bang Theory?

    by billypilgrimisunstuck


  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Been kind of let down by Dexter this season

    by NotoriousBettyRage

    Don't get me wrong. Everything with Dexter himself and John Lithgow has been great but not counting some of the Deb and Lundy stuff from earlier the other storylines have been really blah. That being said the last few episodes have been pretty good though and I can't wait for the season finale.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Big Bang Theory/Men of a Certain Age

    by Jayemel

    People watch The Big Bang Theory because it's funny. Leonard and Penny's relationship and the introduction of Bernadette have created new dynamics for the characters to play off of. Now if they could only do something new with Raj and Sheldon. Personally, I'm growing tired of the "Raj can't speak in front of women" thing. <p> I watched the premiere of Men of a Certain Age...and couldn't stand it. None of the three guys were likable. They were all in bad situations and didn't do anything to get out of them because they don't like themselves. Also, the whole hitting the possum scene was way too Seinfeld.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    And yet no TalkBack...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Is Dexter on past Herc's bedtime? Does Harry not pay Herc enough to get ShowTime? No Whedonverse actors or writers therefore no love from Herc? Inquiring minds want to know!

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Best season of Dexter yet!

    by V'Shael

    And it looks like the finale is going to hit all kinds of awesome.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Dexter does have a whedon actor

    by Adelai Niska

    And this season rules. Second only to the first season overall, although I gotta admit season 1 was sorta predictable and this season is just a roller coaster. If not for Angel/Laguerta this would be Dexter's best season yet.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST


    by seanny_d

    For the most part, I love it. But I feel as if Dexter was uncharacteristically careless this season. His plan was to kill Trinity, but once Trinity disappears from his regular life, they'd probably point to the guy who showed up out of nowhere all of the time. Dexter would have a really difficult time explaining himself in that situation. And I feel as a result of that, it really hit a weak point with me. But for the most part, it's very enjoyable.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Tried to watch "bang" several times

    by Mr_P

    but I just can't watch it all the way through as it it is just so annoying and sh!t.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Dexter, is simply the best thing on TV

    by Drsambeckett1984

    But I hope they only make one more season, because the premise might be wearing a tad thin

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 3:45 a.m. CST

    ive been saying it for 4 years now

    by GavinVanDraven

    Dexter is the best show on tv. period.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST

    It is by no means a guilty pleasure.

    by gotilk

    My love for the Big Bang Theory has been big and real since episode one. But it makes me slightly nervous(and I'm not even sure why)that so many other people love something I do. And you Dexter lovers are right. This is by far the best season, which I did not see coming. And maybe some of the best TV period. <br><br>and... rock,paper,scissors,lizard,spock.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    ,spock Let's see if it does that weird thing with Spock again.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Nice to see the Dexter love

    by RaRoMo

    And remember, according to Showtime, this Sunday's finale is going to end with a "heart-stopping" plot twist.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    @gotilk : It did that weird thing with spock

    by V'Shael

    because you had a run of text with no spaces in it. <p> Years ago, AICNs crappy editor meant that any talkbacker who put 1500 exclamation points together (or something similar) screwed up the entire page by elongating every single talkback post. <p> They "fixed" this by making the editor automatically insert breaking spaces into any line of text longer than 30 characters. This works fine, until someone wants to post a URL. Or has a really long username. Or wants to write "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconeosis". <p> It just so happened that you wrote rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock without any spaces.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Thanks, V'shael

    by gotilk

    You never fail to be of help. Thanks!

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    What could be more shocking than this week's

    by gotilk

    ending?? I can't even imagine, and that's really what I love about Dexter. I mean, you can see some of it coming, but not always. It could have gone so formulaic, but they chose to put real risk into the show again and stopped pulling punches. It's been a real treat this season.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    The no spaces thing.

    by gotilk

    I know why I started doing that. Damned twitter and youtube character limits. If the limit is 144, you can bet on me needing 148 to say what I need to say. I just wasn't made for these times.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Enough with the God Damned Bluray player!

    by Cash907

    It's not for sale on Amazon anymore Herc, so edit your shit already.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    Click the link; it's back in stock and now less than $129!

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Dexter love

    by Memoryremain

    John Lithgow has, undoubtedly, raised the bar for TV serial killers. It perplexes me that there hasn't been anymore Dexter talkbacks since the first four episodes of this season. I dread the 9-month draught to come after Sunday, yet I'm becoming beyond antsy for the finale.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Dexter = awesome

    by turketron_2

    These last few episodes have been really good, Thanksgiving at Trinity's was insane! Also, "STUUPIIDD FUUCKING CUUNT!!!!"

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Big Bang is Popular

    by beeman31

    Big Bang is popular because it follows a standard sitcom formula of one-liners and wacky situations with an annoying laugh track. I'm not sure why it is considered such a big deal. Men of a Certain Age was good, and I can see it getting really interesting over time.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Does Lithgow Live through the Finale?

    by AngrySnowMonkey

    How does this end? Could Dexter and Trinity come to a truce. Does Rita live through the episode?

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 7:45 a.m. CST

    FOX FOOTBALL OVERRUN is my favorite show

    by SpyGuy

    I understand there's going to be an upcoming game-changer twist where the football game actually finishes on schedule.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Herc is on th something

    by daggor

    NBC should play reruns in the 10pm slot. ST:TNG. Frazier. Knight Rider. ANYTHING!

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Dexter and Big Bang

    by Mooly

    I really wanted to dislike Big Bang when it first started. I didn't think it was funny at all. But now it is one of my "can't miss" shows for Monday. The characters have really come into their own and their qierd quircks and how they play off each other is what makes it. Granted, they are one note (hell, they even always dress the same), but it is the wierd interaction between them that makes the show entertaining. As for Dexter, this season has been stellar, but I agree the relationship plotline sucks. I just don't care that much about it and the characters have had much better story lines in past seasons. Dexter vs Trinity has been amazing and the way the last ep ended was so tense and great. I have to wonder if this season will end to bring about one of the book's storylines from like book 2 ....SPOILER.......................Dexters sister finds out he's a serial killer. I think that could bring about the twist the show needs to keep going.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Dexter Love Sorta Disgusts Me

    by The Alienist

    I watch the show. I do. But I don't watch it for Dexter, necessarily. I like the plot machinations, I like the actors...but the premise sorta upsets me...and all the love for the show sorta does too. I hate vigilantism (yeah, I know he's killing killers, but the Klan thought they were doing good work too) and I read on here a bit of admiration for Dex. Ew. I even feel it sometimes, last season I though Jimmy Smits (who was as great as Lithgow in my opinion) was so evil, killing that crusading blond lawyer--then I remembered Dexter kills people too. Dexter is just as awful. Who cares if he's learning to "love" to be more "human". He kills people. He kills people. The only thing that keeps the tension up for me about his being caught is what it would do to Deb, my favorite character. It would kill her. I don't really care about Rita and the kids. But I don't want to see Deb hurt again.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Opposite of The Alienist

    by johnnyangelheart

    I used to like Dexter because he was shamelessly amoral, but now that he's getting all warm and fuzzy, lovin' hubby, i find him kind of boring, and the show, too.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST


    by johnnyangelheart

    I think we all agree that Courtney Ford, Trinity's daughter/girl reporter, is INSANELY hot.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Dexter Season 4 has been great!

    by RequisiteMonkey

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    dexter is great as a family man

    by spider_neil

    rather than someone who doesn't give a shit about anyone because the tention is great as dexter has more to lose if he is caught. season 4 has been sensational.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    The Alienist

    by shodan6672

    Congratulations. You have just identified the moral ambiguity that is one of the driving forces behind the show since episode 1.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    showtime effed up the last epi of dexter

    by brabon300

    gave away too much during the previews

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Quinne the next Doakes?

    by iconboy

    Lol that will never happen! Let's face it Quinne is lazy and dumb! he isn't a very good cop. Doakes on the other hand was driven and had this instinct about criminals-enough to figure out Dexter. Quinne was only following Dexter this season because he wanted to have something on Dexter ever since Dexter saw him take money from a crime scene- he really has NOOOOO idea what's up with Dexter. I think Dexter is getting too emotional when Quinne asked if Dexter wanted to have a beer with him just after the incident he should have told him he didn't care about the money are affirmed that by telling he knows he's a good cop and has earned little "perks" like that instead of getting in his face and going ape shiit!

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Meanwhile Better off Ted returned last night

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    People on this forum used to talk a lot about how they love that show. It wasn't the best episode but I'm glad it's back for now.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Dexter isn't as good

    by Bellam

    in its 3rd and 4th seasons as it was the first two. It's still good, but I think the premise is a bit fatigued and they are reaching. 1 and 2 really built on each other and felt like part of a larger story - 3 and to a greater extent 4 have felt a bit sitcom in comparison, wacky Dexter trying to raise a family.<p> Still great tension and decent writing, and Lithgow does psycho so, so well - but it's starting to ring a bit false for me personally.<p> I honestly hope that this season ends with Dexter being exposed for what he is, and next season is the fallout for everyone in his life, and it ends with his execution.<p>It could give them an amazing way to close out the show that really resonated.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    How can you be attacking Dexter this season...

    by DanielKurland

    It has COMPLETELY saved itself from last year, and the latest episode easily had four what-the-fuck moments in it. I can see having problems with the season as a whole, but then newest episode was easily one of the best, and perfectly set up the finale. The writing was actually very good too (You watch too much TV)

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Nerds can be as tasteless as everyone else

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Thus, the popularity of Big Bang Theory. Dexter is great, Herc is just grump there is a witty character on TV who doesn't go to high school.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I don't really know what Big Bang Theory is.

    by nopix

    I guess I just stay away from CBS for some reason. Is it really funny or something?

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    This season of Dexter is easily the best since S1.

    by flickchick85

    Yeah, S2 and especially S3 were pretty weak, but I don't know how anyone could not be loving this season. John Lithgow's been the best villain the show has had. Just creepy as hell. And the twists just keep on coming. Great season.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    The Alienist

    by centilope

    You disappoint me. You really cannot see the difference between people who wouldn't hurt a fly getting killed, and rapists, pedos, terrorists getting killed? You would hate a guy who killed ONLY people or should I say monsters, who wouldn't hesitate for even a second to do unimaginably horrible things to you or your family without breaking a sweat, if they had the chance? I assume you also think that torturing terrorists, who only care about killing themselves and taking as many human lives as possible with them, so they can fuck 72 virginsin their version of heaven, is wrong, and should be prosecuted? Never mind if thousands of INNOCENT people die, because the psycho who holds vital information that could lead to saving all these INNOCENT people can legally only be asked kindly if he would like to share something with the nice gentlemen interrogating him, in exchange for some milk and cookies. Yeah that'll work. Tell that to the families of 9/11 victims. I'm sure they'll understand your twisted sense of compassion. I can't.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    No, it's the Fraiser for our generation. Lame punchlines about Star Wars instead of lame punchlines about wine choice.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST


    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    While I agree, that's ridiculous in its extremity.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Some people just don't think it'd be good for

    by gotilk

    society if we were all comfortable with murder as a response to criminal behavior. I happen to agree, but for different reasons than most. No justice system has ever been perfect, period, no way to argue against that because it's a fact. An absolute fact. And there have been far too many innocent people killed and jailed for crimes we were SURE they committed, when we in FACT discovered later that they did NOT. Now, I place myself in the mind of one of those people, sitting in jail for years, waiting for the time to come when the government pulled the switch, injected the poison. All while knowing, but not being able to convince anyone, that I was innocent of the crime. Can you even imagine the torture of just imprisonment alone in a situation like that? <br><br>Oh, but it's not you, so it's separate.... disconnected from you.. outside of you. So many people have become comfortable with that kind of detachment. And if you really think about it, that detachment is similar to the very same detachment serial killers are diagnosed with. It starts to all sound VERY familiar. <br><br>But since you don't kill anyone, society accepts you, even encourages your way of looking at the world. Oh, bad people do horrific things, so that means when we're sure we have the right person, positive... we just go ahead and take it upon ourselves to end their life. When we know, even in the case of DNA evidence <br>(which is still honestly at the same stage in history that fingerprinting was at when it began.. surrounded by a halo of divine perfection and techno-worship to the point of blindness at it's very real imperfections)<br> we can only be sure of one thing with absolute certainty..<br> <br> We cannot be sure of anything at all, sometimes even what we see with our own eyes. <br> <br> Imagine for just a minute. If you came across a person, beaten, on the verge of death in near certainty. Most people, probably you, would be compelled to help. I would, without question or pause. But you would have that nagging fear in the back of your head... <br> <br> If this person dies before help arrives, and I have this person's blood on me, maybe even clothing fibers commingling with theirs and the wrong cop comes to the scene first. Then the wrong detective. Followed by the wrong judge. The wrong jury, in the wrong state....<br><br>suddenly you're not so conservative anymore. Suddenly you are dining on the words "bleeding heart" if they even once left your lips. It has very little if anything to do with something even resembling "twisted compassion" <br>(as if even the functionally retarded could wrap their brains around such a concept, twisted in and of itself..sounding like a soundbyte from O'reilly).<br> But hey, you get to live with the justice system you support. Best of luck with that. I hope you never find yourself snared in it's inefficiency. I know that one of the worst things that can happen to a human being is to be accused of something they did not do. It's happened to almost everyone. But it is telling that it happens more often with people who don't "fit in", and that itself is very telling. This fact should always inform the justice system and we should ALL be willing to fight for it's consideration. If you break it down to it's underlying concept, the idea that all men are born equal, then people have DIED for it. And you should do more than support the men who did so. You should bow down in submission before the concepts themselves. Before it's too late for YOU.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Herc's been tweeting about the first 4 eps of 24...

    by Whatcokes982

    He's seen them. Are we gonna get a sneak preview/mini-review???

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    LENO... Karma is COMING HARD!!!

    by TheBLIGHT

    Asshole, should have exitted gracefully, and shut his mouth about taking The Tonight Show back if offered... Douche...

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    "all in bad situations, didn't do anything to get out of them"

    by Shermdawg

    Uh, it was the PILOT. If they ditched all their troubles in the first episode, it wouldn't make for a good series, now would it? And why do they have to be likable? They are by the way, but they're also relatable. Something much more important when it comes to drama. Braugher's character? I know that guy. As long as this doesn't get too lovey dovey, I can see myself sticking with it for the long run. Fantastic opener.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    I vote you most likely to black out and wake up with a dead whore in your closet.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I expect you guys to cover the new Monday Night Wrestling War

    by InstantClassic

    Leno will beat TNA. I'm calling it now.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST


    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN


  • Dec. 9, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    "if they ditched all their troubles..."

    by Jayemel

    "... in the first episode, it wouldn't make for a good series, now would it?" You can make progress and do something without ditching your problems completely. Life's a process. These guys were barely alive to the point that I had to check my own pulse. <p> You know a guy who still works for his father and uses it as an excuse to slack off and hate himself? Please, for me, tell him to quit his job and become a man. <p> Likewise, I went into the show expecting the characters to be relateable because I tend to identify more with older people. Instead, I found three grown men still acting like spoiled college guys.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    It was a introduction to those characters.

    by Shermdawg

    They have to face their faults and place in life before they can take the steps to correct them. That's not gonna happen this early on. It's just not. This isn't a movie, don't treat it as one where shit gets wrapped up in a few hours. <br><br>And they didn't come off as spoiled college kids at all. Middle age men aren't supposed to have career frustration? Health issues? What fairy tale life do you live in where people don't have addictions? And it was nice to see Romano and crew take a realistic approach in presenting the characters and their issues (I'm not too crazy about Bakula's so far though). Something like this could have very well verged into CBS sap central. Which it could easily do if they aren't careful.<br><br> Good show.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    And about Braugher...

    by Shermdawg

    I know plenty of older guys that busted their ass for companies and when it came time for them to get their due, they get overshadowed buy some hotshot young'n. I've seen the frustrations that come along with it. And in many situations, it's not as easy or even feasible to match those kids in performance, or technical know how to get back on top. Shoulderblocking the kids to get a sale isn't always an option. And you know what, that right there proves your argument about them not making progress in getting out of their shitty situation.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    *proves your argument wrong

    by Shermdawg

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    dexter season finale

    by Out of your element

    If anyone else has seen the promo scene with Deb and Dexter then you know shit will hit the fan next monday.

  • Dec. 9, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    I thought Dexter started slow this season

    by Jaka

    And I'm still not really getting much fulfillment from the "family" portion of the show. I'm guessing that's part of why they started bringing other characters from the show into that setting. As messed up as it sounds I'm really hoping something goes terribly wrong with that situation next season. However, the rest of the show has ended up kicking my ass this year! The last three weeks in general have actually raised my heart rate a little. Awesome tension and plot twists. A random guess: I think it's Masuka that's going to figure out his secret (at some point).

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    i totally agree..

    by soup74

    this season of dexter started out slow, but these last 3 weeks have made up for it. <br><br>however according to the world of dexter, miami has both the largest concentration of serial killers in one area, and the dumbest police force in the country.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST


    by centilope

    The pilot was about setting up these characters and their issues, so they can grow and resolve them during the course of the season and the entire series. I don't think this was planned as a one-season show. That is one thing. Second of all, having expectations, especially unrealistic ones, is the road to disappointment. Having expectations makes it harder to see things for what they are, instead you judge things for what you think they should be like. This way you are only setting yourself up for disappointment.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Nice use of the noggin. But yeah, sometimes those are the breaks of the party lifestyle. But why kill a whore when you have talkbackers? At least whores have a use.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    "the heartstopping twist"

    by V'Shael

    I think it's too obvious to make Deb aware that Dexter is a killer. <p> I think they should really do something fucked up. Like Dexter and Deb wind up in the sack together, because they're not biologically related or anything. Rita takes the kids and fucks off with Elliot. <p> Instead, it will probably be something like Trinity kills one of the cast (my money is on either Angel or LaGuerta, probably her) and frames Dexter for it. And Dexters only alibi, is that he was killing/chopping/desposing Trinity at the time.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Now THAT would be messed up, V'Shael

    by gotilk

    But I like it. In the context of the show. Otherwise.. ewww. lol <br><br> And upon further reflection, that last post of mine may have been a bit much, a little harsh. It just seemed like a fairly brainless response to a very thought out post. Talkbackers are for the most part pretty decent people.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Second Best Season

    by _Maltheus_

    Yeah, this has been the second best season of Dexter. I do have a problem with the trend of making Dexter a good guy with normal feelings and everything. It seems to contrast though with his increasing recklessness. I hope that's by design and it's leading to a snapping point. Dexter needs to develop on the serial killer front or else where is this show going? Marriage and kid aside, there's no feel that the story is progressing anywhere. I hope the twist provides us with that. This show needs an end date if we're to get bolder storylines out of it.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by frozen01

    It's the same laugh track, the same corny jokes, the same cardboard characters, the same sanitized plot of any other sitcom in the last 30 years. But it involves (horribly stereotyped) nerds, so it's apparently funny.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    The stereotype nerd sits at home and posts to AICN. These guys are physicists with comic and sci-fi obsessions. Not your stereotypical nerd. I'd describe them more as geeks. But even then, not your stereotypical ones. If they paid a little less attention to details and got things a little off from time to time, I'd agree with you. But they simply do not.

  • Dec. 10, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Agree about Deb being too obvious

    by Jaka

    But I also thought the Rita/Elliot bit was too obvious and that still happened. I'd actually like to see Lithgow back next season, so I'm hoping they don't wrap up the Trinity storyline next episode. Interesting thought about Trinity taking out another cast member, though. I hadn't thought about that. But now that you mention it, what if it's Deb and that's how she never finds out about Dex's past? Also agree he's been being too sloppy and it's got to be leading somewhere.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Oh my fucking GOD!!!

    by Billyeveryteen

    Tiger, you better be fucking lying.<p>I'm gonna go fetal now.

  • Dec. 11, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by Tigertim

    All true. Knowing what you know, it's an incredible episode that gets deeper with that knowledge. Have more willpower than I have and don't spoil it for someone else. The ending is a massive shocker because the "tone" tells otherwise. It's so..fucking...heartbreaking. It completely mirrors season 1, and sets up a major character shift for season 5. Can't fucking wait until next year.