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The Best AVATAR Featurette yet seen, narrated by Sigourney Weaver!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey folks, Harry here with the latest bit of AVATAR. I know... you have probably seen just about everything you feel you need to see - you're pretty much exhausted from the various featurettes and footage glimpses. You've either decided to not see the film or you have a ticket already. But me. I'm a geek that wallows in glimpses - I love the plethora of featurettes, the 15 or so Television spots... all of it. And I'm pretty much this way with every movie.
But on every film there's something that is made in advance that becomes my favorite advance feature. This is that for AVATAR. It is Sigourney Weaver, in character, showing us where Pandora is from our Earthly sky, taking us there and giving us a naturalists' guide to the planet moon. I kinda hate that I have a feeling that within our collective lifespans we'll never see this sort of feature about a real far off ecology and planet system. Instead, for now and for most of our lives - it'll only be through these sorts of projects that we can dream of what it could be like out there, somewhere. This featurette has a running French subtitle as it is hosted by Canal. Click Here To Let Ms Weaver Blow Your Mind!
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You're all queens.
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This man clearly knows what the fuck he's doing. The rest of you can STFU!
tinyurl.com/y8cbadb And I beat you to this Harry! Well by a couple of minutes! For this achievement I demand a free Avatar Artbook! -
LOL! Third?
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Please tell me that's not the actual name of the mineral they're mining in the movie. Fucking unobtainium? When did Cameron become such a hack?
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I mean... I don't know. And yes, it's actually called unobtanium.
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I'm not kidding. This really is the best comment yet. This ice cream I'm eating is also the best ice cream that I've ever eaten... yet.
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The horses based on sea horses, animals based on hammerhead sharks, the bioluminescent organisms, and that one lizard that roars has the head of a piranha, giving a special nod to Cameron's directorial debut.
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..while I wipe the cum out of my eyes. They can only be fucked so many times.
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A five hundred million dollar movie with a fifty cent plot. Sorry, JC, they're not getting my ten bucks.
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...go!
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for the 19th!
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What name did he give for the T-1000? was it something like hemetic pollyalloy? And now he's come up with this ridiculous unobwhatever. He thinks he's clever, but most hack hollywood screenwriters could come up with better concepts/names.
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Dec 06, 2009 5:50:52 PM CST
New AVATAR ads during the Ultimate Fighter Finals on Spike last
by snakecharmer
A bunch of cool action was shown. The whole event was practically sponsored by Avatar. I'm there.
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Dec 06, 2009 5:51:18 PM CST
In response to Flickapoo: Avatar and pretty much just Avatar.
by redjester
Yep, that's pretty much it, although the soon to be Shia Lebuff film, "Mutt Williams and the circle jerk of doom" deserves honors.
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...about how anything is possible through the magic of computers..."if you can think it, we can do it!"...then they talk about each character's motivation and the great camaraderie and hijinks on set..and how much it cost...I LOVE to hear about how much a movie cost.
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avatar aint 500 mill movie, that was all crap. its somewhere around 350- 400... which is still pretty insane.
anywho, wow that looked awesome.
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Dec 06, 2009 5:57:30 PM CST
Here are some actual names from the Periodic Table of Elements:
by chakraborty
Europium, Americium, Berkelium, Californium, Einsteinium, and Mendelevium. These were some of the most recent ones...it's really not that far-fetched to believe that scientists gave it the name unobtainium. Scientists aren't known for creativity. They could have chosen a less corny name...because it is pretty corny...but is this really going to hinder my enjoyment of the film. Not at all. It's meaningless.
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Titanic he covered how the ship would sink. T2
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Dec 06, 2009 6:00:21 PM CST
The fact that unobtanium is an actual scientific term is MOOT.
by scarywaitress
Cameron has total control over the story. He has total control over the names of things in his Fern-Gully-on-steroids eyefucker. The fact that he settles on unobtanium is weak, and a symptom of a larger problem.He is very quickly joining George Lucas in the pantheon of great directors who surround themselves with nothing but yes-men, live in their own private little bubble, and don't have anyone with a brain to critique their work and bounce ideas off of. It's sad.
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Pick a side, folk - Nega-tar or Posi-tar... which will it be?
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go and wiki Unobtanium, it's a joke name used in lots of scifi,
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ScaryWaitress, you have total control over your posts, yet you chose to use tired, uncreative terms which have been beaten to death by internet geeks. The fact that geeks use these terms is MOOT. You are very quickly joining the ranks of Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength and mrdck.
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Saw this high.
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"Its joke name of
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...how it's exposing some of AICN's more dubious Talkbackers as total hacks.Yeah, that's right. You heard me, fuckwads.
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but that doesn't the fact this may just be the movie of the year. Cameron has not made one bad movie. What don't you people understand about that. He knows film, he knows narrative. He knows what he's fucking doing so don't speak of him like he's George Lucas. This movie will come out and everyone is going to love it. I don't get how anyone who calls themselves a fna of film could possibly trash Mr. Cameron. Absolutely ridiculous. I'm glad I do my best, nowadays, to avoid these talkbacks and you fucking insane people who post on here.
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Period.
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...Period.
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is the first screening going to take place? when can we expect the first review? this week?
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until a week from this coming Friday. It'll be my first actual IMAX movie ever, unlike the AMC Neshaminy 24 which has a FauxMax screen.
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He's late! ;)
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Well, he almost spelled his name right...
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OK, point taken... and I should have prefaced this by pointing out that I have actually avoided Avatar talkbacks for months after having seen the trailers, riddled as they are with cliched dialog. So the Fern Gully reference may be tired, I grant you.
However, ranma 627, I stand by my statement. Cameron is IN DANGER of joining Lucas' ranks. Any movie with the quote "We're not in Kansas anymore?" COME ON. That is tired shit and you know it. I don't think this is going to be a terrible movie necessarily, but do I think it's going to be the Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius Cameron seems to think it is? Color me skeptical. VERY skeptical. Oh, and Chakraborty, seriously... a MENSTRUATION joke? Oh I get it... because I'm a girl, right? Talk about fucking unoriginal. Looks like I'm not the only one taking a walk down Hack Lane tonight. -
and nobody showed..did it happen?
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this still looks like a bloody silly $400m Dances With Thundercats. And I get headaches from 3D, so if thats it's only selling point it's useless to me.
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It's. A. Stupid. Name. He took it from real life... in real life it was concocted by people who are DEFINITELY not screenplay writers. Not brilliant. Anyway, it's just my opinion. I'm not the one ranting and raving for 250 words or more about it.
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Dec 06, 2009 6:25:23 PM CST
Jay Mohr's schtick about Christopher Walken inspired AVATAR
by yackbacker
"It would be so great to have a tail!" http://tinyurl.com/6dt4b4
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Okay, 5% talent. Seriously, I love Aliens and The Abyss, and I'd love to be blown away by this film...but I don't see it happening. We'll see on opening day, though...
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But this trailer really captured my imagination.
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...because he killed the previous four! Didn't someone already do that joke...? Was that even a joke? Why am I talking to myself?
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Oh they're here already. Back to your Abrams, Bay, Sommers, McG and Wiseman shitfests.
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lol nah
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Dec 06, 2009 6:34:48 PM CST
...I'm just happy for a TB that doesn't make me feel guilty...
by flickapoo
...about not making lists. Those top 100 talkbacks are fun, but the pressure was starting to get to me.But AVATAR? Why did it have to be AVATAR...
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So ScaryWaitress, you think Screenplay writers should come up with neologisms for scientific memes or concepts? There are a lot of things that have been used in common parlance before Hollywood got their hands on it. Amazing that something like... Unobtanium would be used before a movie referenced it. Perhaps we should change reality or popular culture to reflect popular entertainment better? Or not.
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lost his mind!
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Still hot as hell even at the granny years...
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Why can't James Cameron's new shit be as shitty as Michael Bay, JJ Abrams, ETC? They're all equally clueless at this point.
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but I've seen too many bad movies trying to get by on visuals. Not going to happen this time.That said, anyone in KY have some shrooms and looking for a fellow geek to see this with just needs to shout out. 'Cause I can see being blown away by this if i was tripping balls.
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like the sheer amount of detail that has gone into creating this sci-fi universe. It seems to be real exercise in "world buliding". Fuck the hater thundersmurf crowd, they can keep repeating themselves like a bunch of old farts, The rest of us will be checking out what looks like a cool sci fi epic....
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I am still excited.And I missed Sigourney Weaver. She's my hero.
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Dec 06, 2009 6:46:37 PM CST
I want one of those hats with the little Na'vi ears on top!
by fa_tass_dinomolester
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worry, Avatar talkbacks are magnets for the trolls/morons....the only question is why they waste so much of their time/life obsessing and going on and on about a film they already made up their minds about hateing/haveing no interest in months before they saw a single frame....I dunno, I have better things to spend my time doing than wasting a lot of energy on things that I dont give a shit about.....
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Dec 06, 2009 6:54:00 PM CST
The haters aren't any more moronic than the apologists
by fa_tass_dinomolester
who've already made up their mind to love a movie they haven't seen. Also, we've had Avatar Day and multiple trailers, TV spots, featurettes, ETC. And the script. We've seen MULTIPLE frames of the film.
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Hate is directly proportional to quality of character in Talkbackland. Enthusiasm is an unusual and rare material that would be perfect for this site, but unfortunately it doesn't exist.Somebody should come up with a name for that sort of thing. A cool name.
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Dec 06, 2009 6:54:49 PM CST
I want to see Cameron's face when Bigelow accepts her Oscar
by lance rocke
I'm queen of the world!!!!
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Dec 06, 2009 6:55:05 PM CST
The trolls and morons will soon fall by the wayside
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Avatar will live forever.
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hater crowd has latched onto? The use of the name unobatanium? Nevermind that its the ACTUAL name used by ACTUAL scientists for any super rare material?? Just wow man, the haters really are trying to throw any shit in the hope that something, anything will stick......man you guys are pathetic.....
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And the idiots and schmucks who supported the film will never admit that they were wrong.
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are what's pathetic, actually. Apparently, you have time to hate on people hating on a shitty-looking movie. So don't play the "I actually have a life" card, for Serling's sake!
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Dec 06, 2009 7:00:08 PM CST
Is this what fandom has become, vile tit-for-tat
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
and petty insults? Enthusiasm and optimism - with good reason - is apparently to be frowned upon. Pathetic.
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people get the time to waste nitpicking the shit out of a film they already know they dont like? And fasstass, if you have read the scriptment and have seen enough to hate what you are seeing, what the fuck are you doing here dude? If everything you have read or seen does nt interest you (and hey we all have different tastes) again, why are you wasting your time here?
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me, like any sane, rational geek does. Whats your excuse again?
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Again with the epic! And you think I need something better to do with MY time? I'll just take a few less words to point out that the fact that engineers will be delighted with the name "unobtainium" is hardly impressive. The vast majority of the viewing public are NOT engineers, my friend, and I think a lot of people WILL find it a little distracting, and will probably get over it, just as I probably will, within a couple of minutes, as you suggest. The bigger point I'm trying to make is that settling for "unobtainium" is, as I said before, another symptom of a larger problem... which is, from what I've seen, and in my opinion, less than stellar writing choices across the board. Nothing you've said in your novellas tonight has convinced me otherwise. You keep explaining the motivations of the characters as if that is supposed to reveal some greater truth... it's kind of like quoting Scripture to unbelievers. Get over it, man.
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all the back and forth and hate and this and that, dosnt anyone have anything nice to say about the film?
Are you that fucked up inside that all you see is the bad sides to everything? Always in need of something to complain about?
Well i aint going there.
Avatar looks badass.
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Thanks for the link, great Cameron interview. You'd never hear McFuck talk with that amount of knowledge and passion.
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All is good my friend, what about you? Seeing Avatar on the 16th, what about you?
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dont give a shit if Avatar does nt interest you or if you dont like it. But you seem really bothered by anyone being excited for it, or even *gasp* liking what they are seeing. It seems to really matter to you wether it fails or not, as if your personal happiness depends on it....
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Awful flat, empty, emotionless, wooden narration by Weaver there. Hope she's better on screen.
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Dec 06, 2009 7:06:32 PM CST
Recourse to the sam old cliches, but it really is true
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
These people seemingly lack all joy, love of movies, or any kind of real life. If it's simply a movie that doesn't interest you, then don't bother posting, because you won't be seeing it anyway and you contribute little to the discussion.If you want to get childish, though - $1.5 billion worldwide gross, bitches!! Suck on Cameron's cast iron balls (C/O RMS Titanic)!!
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is like the oil in the middle east, the gold in peru, the diamonds in north america, its just an energy source that the RDA are mining on pandora. They are to take what isnt theirs, thats the whole message about the miniral. and it wont be explained in full detail as cameron has said coz its not that important once its established what it is and why they are there.
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... but this seems hugely dumb to me. Unobtanium? Wow. And the year's biggest sci-fi extravaganza is just an excuse to see gelfling/smurf crossbreeds worship a stupid tree? What if a dropship from Aliens landed in Middle Earth? It's like some lame kid's book. I can't imagine spending any time watching this thing. Yuck.
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real scientists/engineers that use the word. When you chose your handle was dumb ignorant cunt already taken?
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its as simple as that, its not for you, you dont get it. its like picasso.... im a fan of art, but have no time for picasso, i dont get it...i dont know what drugs he was on. simply, I DONT GET IT!
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Some people have a personal vendetta against Avatar because Avatar is being advertised as the thing that WILL CHANGE. FILM. AS WE KNOW IT. And while most people with half a brain recognize that this is just bullshit marketspeak because James Cameron hasn't done anything for us lately and they really want to hype up the "new" technology, there are many people with thirds and quarters of brains that feel it is their duty to hate anything that claims to be something impossible. They hate sight-unseen, because they don't like being lied to, and a world where they could open themselves up to liking the film, despite its silly and hamfisted marketing, by actually judging its merits - well, that's a world the Hater doesn't have the energy to live it. Hating something without justification is very, very easy.I'm going to see this movie, and I have an open heart about it. If it's shit, it will be shit, and I don't have a problem with that. I will be disappointed. But I'm not personally invested in its success - it doesn't really matter to me on a personal level. I hope it's good, because I am spending money on it. These Haters are personally investing in it being a terrible film, and will never be able to admit if they like it, because they've cast their bones behind the Hatewagon, because they think it makes them more discerning when in fact it just makes them boring.
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Dissing Sigourney Weaver, eh? God will strike you down as a whore.
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Unobtanium is not the real name of the material (which I presume is not disclosed for other reasons that Cameron has stated in the French interview) - it is a coloquialism. Not to mention,as pointed out above, it is actually used in real life scientific communities to describe theoretical substances that would solve engineering and other problems.'Sigh...' Truly, why do we bother.
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Ferngully was a great movie. So there's that.
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It's just that some things appeal to some people and not to others. I prefer sci-fi to fantasy, is all. I don't hate the movie, just doesn't seem like something I'd like. There's only so much time and too many movies to choose from, eh?
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Dec 06, 2009 7:15:16 PM CST
I have a hard time being "scared" of anything that is Blue and g
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
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They'd be forking over their unobtanium like it was nothing.
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It's not the name (which I admit to knowing nothing about and initially thinking "sounded silly") so much as the magical floating mountains. People might go somewhere for an element that actually exists! No need to make up such a ridiculous thing. Whatever you call it.
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this film? What's it to you? I don't think twice to go to a movie that sounds interesting to me. I don't lose sleep if someone online doesn't care about it. So save us lectures why we're idiots for wanting to see this film. You're not changing anybodies mind with your insults.
I can look at my movie library and see Cameron's 25 years of making interesting films and give him the benefit of the doubt. Or, I can listen to some guy online who's only contribution to film is complaining on a film website. um... let me think. -
he'd done Battle Angel first
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Some people clearly aren't well read enough to know that planetary romance and space opera are legitimate fields of sci-fi, and cross-over with supposed 'fantasy elements' is quite common within the genre. It's not cut and dried.Not to mention, that the things, ie. floating mountains, etc., that these types think are pure fantasy are in fact, explained using scientific principles in the script and movie. Do they actually think this is some Harry Potter/Narnia type affair, with random fantastical nonsense, wizards and fairies?
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Dec 06, 2009 7:21:18 PM CST
...if that blue chick does with catnip what my cat used to...
by flickapoo
...do with/to a catnip toy, then yeah, I'd pay to see that.And so would most of you...
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its pure fantasy. and its backed up with scientific principles.
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The floating mountains levitate because of magnetic field properties, something that actually exits on planet earth (on a much smaller scale, of course) in certain regions, such as near the earth's core. Cameron based his idea off this.
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Dec 06, 2009 7:23:12 PM CST
"Hard Sci-Fi" might have been a better choice of words
by i_am_not_henry_silva
I can enjoy Barsoom for the romantic, old-fashioned stuff that it is but just not keen on this film. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. It struck me as silly as soon as I saw the first trailer. If it seems awesome to you then have at it! To each his own.
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the football players how to play the game. Please direct me to you films on Youtube so that I can see you work... oh, talented ones. Cameron proves the haters wrong every time.
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http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhU3BQJq66BZta9fU7
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exactly. Its wateva your into.
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"Some Canadian fuck is making the sequel to Alien! There's going to be a queen alien in it, WTF??? And there's a sappy love story with Ripley and a soldier in it, and she has a little girl running around with her!!! Bulshit!!! And there is some colony on the planet where the Alien ship is... people actually went to live there!!! And what are those people doing there? Trying to terraform???? That's bullshit!!!!"
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Dec 06, 2009 7:28:48 PM CST
Well, it would not have been a paticularly good
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
choice of words, either. There seems to be a great deal of confusion about this term as well (or simply latent snobbery). Avatar is full of 'hard sci-fi' concepts by any measurable yardstick - the whole political, social and technical strata of the Avatar universe is based on this - one only has to look at the real-time space travel to know that this isn't Star Wars. Cameron consulted with biologist, botanists, zoo-ologists and astro-physicists for this show.
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... but here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/y8ly7sw
Once again: It seems like a huge expensive movie that a lot of people will really enjoy ... it just doesn't appeal to me. And I didn't like Titanic, either. Doesn't mean it didn't make a bajillion dollars or win the Oscar. This would seem to be the place to express an opinion! -
for all of the damn frog shit. Cheese eatin surremder monkeys!
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I think the term you might be more comfortable with is "Speculative Fiction". Stuff like Jack Womack, Gibson, Dick, et al.
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James, James, my boy. Why did you promise us heaven when all that you have given us is a very pretty video game? Seriously, I remember back in 2006 and 2007 when the hype around this thing was huge. The CGI characters will look real and you won't be able to tell the difference. Remember that? I do and sure everyone else does. Now, all that I hope is that the story is good because I am not impressed with what is before us visually. It is a very big let down and every time I watch a new video, my naive side kicks in thinking "okay, this will be the video that shows the power of this thing". It has been an occurrence since the disappointing trailer first appeared. If I was Cameron I would have said this, "I am making a action film with CGI elements. I have invented new techniques in better capturing movement and facial ticks." I would not have said what we all know we did. I am going on Dec 20 to the NYC IMAX showing, but I have a bad feeling I am going to walk out even more disappointed.
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its disgusting how people feel the need for hate, i duno what society is coming to.Dose it make you feel good, That your happiness depends on someones failure or shortcomings?
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His brother is working on devices to search for intelligent life on other planets..Jim Cameron is trying to show us all that the earth is a delicate balance of life that we are fucking up.
He in making Avatar has also shown us that there is no intelligent life among trollish talkbakers..Everyone that has jumped the gun on this will be eating their words come opening day...Buy the ticket and take the ride..try to open your small closed minds..That is what true Science Fiction filmaking can accomplish if you just let it happen.. -
6 legged glowing abominations! DIE DIE!
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Dec 06, 2009 7:33:07 PM CST
Re-post: Cameron (French)interview proves why this movie will be
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
a timeless classic. For all those complaining about the story being too familiar or too simple - it is clear that JC has strived to create a truly classicist and universal tale in the genre, one that will cross cultural boundaries and remain relevant for years. It can be applicable to any time, place, or political or social situtaion. He has also sought to keep any 'trendy' or 'hipster' aesthetic or thematic flourishes out of the work.
Take The Matrix - first movie was great, however both stylistically and thematically it's already quite dated. The super-stylizd HK action style has been beaten into the ground, and the post-millenial tensions that the story gained resonance from have dissipitated.
It amuses me how some underestimate Cameron, or thumb their noses because he makes crowd-pleasing broad audience fare. This man is truly intelligent, and knows exactly what he's doing, right down to the finest brushstrokes. There are very few working on that kind of perceptive level today. A great painter knows not just what he's trying to create, but will be able to anticipate how an audience sees that canvas standing 10 feet away; a great filmmaker knows what resonates with an audience and how the work will be perceived and assimilated by them - and I don't mean in a crude, tick-all-the-boxes way that most modern Hollwood shitbusters operate. This is what gave the original Star Wars trilogy its longevity and popularity - the psychological resonances that underpinned the whole affair, and not all the immediate whizzes and bangs.
I love how Cameron doesn't explain the purpose of the unobtanium - instead of shoving a polemic down the throats of the viewers, he has created a timeless comment on human behavior. Ditto also, the fact that Cameron has combined the age-old story of an outsider coming into a culture and becoming one of them, but using sci-fi trappings, the protagonist LITERALLY becomes one of them, literally seeing through their eyes. This is simple, effective, and actually quite brilliant. He has combined the smorgasboard of influences - classic Kipling style jungle adventure, Rice Burroughs planetary romance/ space opera, and more modern ideas of virtual identities and 'avatars'- in the literal sense of cloned genetic bodies as well as the computer/gamer sense- deceptively well.
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I recommend Ace, Turd , SouthAfrican and everyone else to take a razor blade to the screening so you can slash your wrists during the end credits when it hits you just how piss-poor the film has been. Ace, you really crack me up with your lengthy tomes defending Cameron's use of a single word. How much are you gonna write to defend the entire shit poor screenplay? (yes, I have read it). Should we vacate an entire talkback so you can piffle on how great Cameron's cable TV show standard dialog is?
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You can probably do that in the videogame which is out now and has terrible reviews.
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Cool little film. Thanks for sharing.
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you didnt find the thanator chace scene photoreal?? not even in HD?
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...the trailers for ALIENS kicked every kind of ass there is to kick.Sadly, AVATAR trailers do not.
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Post of the thread. Congrats. Of course, most of the people on this thread probably didn't even bother to watch that interview with Cameron. Ever hear McG or Michael Bay talk with that level of passion and commitment?
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See, the thing is, every one of us who is feeling it is also not staking our entire existence on it succeeding.
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can you write better? i know i sure cant.
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they usually are forced to stay on a dev schedule that goes with the movie release date... horrible plan in video games.
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Dec 06, 2009 7:37:55 PM CST
Flickapoo, actually no, the Aliens trailers
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
were quite poor, as were many 80's trailers in fact. This was before the Hollywood marketing machine had gotten hyper-slick, and trailers were often poorly cut together and thrown out there with little consideration. Certainly not befitting such a great movie.
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Cameron is a terrific writer. Ask William Goldman. What you probably mean is you think some of his dialogue is too on the nose. This is what hampered me connecting with Titanic, the dialogue was not good. However when Cameron is in the sci-fi action arena then his dialogue seems perfectly natural.
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when I first heard Weaver say unobtanium my first reaction without knowing the history of the word was "are you fucking kidding me?" the term is distracting, and most people won't know the history behind it...even if it is a scientifically accurate term the bottom line is it comes off as cheesy lazy writing...be like calling the Navi the "toughtokillians" unobtanium will be laughable to people and take them out of the movie for a moment which I'm sure is not what Cameron is going for
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Turd I agree with you 100%..The trolls on this site seem to have nothing better to do than trash something they haven't seen enough of to really judge..
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what the background is!
the miniral is a moral and ethical aspect of the story!! its about greed, power, taking what isnt yours!
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they had message boards so maybe they did bitch. I doubt it though, seems a waste of time.
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i seen the miniral, i got it! right there and then, i knew what the purpose of it was. an excuse to go to pandora, and a moral story behind it.
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You didn't like the second Avatar trailer? The 3 minute one? Wow...
I don't know what anyone else is seeing but i'm seeing the kind of movie i've always wanted to see, an epic action-adventure sci-fi fantasy set on a distant planet with every kind of cool shit and resource thrown into the movie to make it as good as it can possibly be.
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and we're stuck with some shit Sam Worthington interview?
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Dec 06, 2009 7:45:08 PM CST
mrdck, as I said, you continue to live up to your name
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
You also have NOT read the script (unless you refer to the 95 treatment, which was excellent in even rough form) - the script is in lockdown to only a few insiders. So you're an arrogant liar as well.How does it feel, you pithy little bastard, to know that Cameron will be rubbing your face in a pile of shit very shortly, while you meantime desperately whine and protest with your feeble and ill-thought- out 'criticisms'. You are not worthy of anybody's time here, and dickheads like you will soon quickly and decisively fall by the wayside as Avatar becomes a pop culture phenomenon.
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I like how they actually made it seem like a BBC doc, they should have let Richard Attenborough narrate.
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Looking forward to chewing the fat next week.
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Just the French. Because the French are awesome.
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Learn how to write, dude.
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...want to see this movie? http://tinyurl.com/ye2p57c
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"Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application. The name is a portmanteau derived from unobtainable + -ium (the suffix for a number of chemical elements). Variations include unobtanium and unattainium, with the same meaning.
The properties of any particular "unobtainium" depend on the intended use. For example, a pulley made of unobtainium might be massless and frictionless. However, if used in a nuclear rocket, unobtainium would be light, strong at high temperatures, and resistant to radiation damage.
The name unobtainium also closely resembles the systematic element name for undiscovered elements that have an atomic number of 100-199. Like unobtainium, these all have 5 syllable names beginning with "un" and ending in "ium". The term was, however, in use long before the IUPAC systematic names.
The most recent use of the term unobtainium is found in the James Cameron sci-fi epic adventure Avatar. As explained by Sigourney Weaver, it is a mineral found on the moon Pandora orbiting the planet Polyphemus in the Alpha Centauri galaxy 4.4 light years away from Earth. The substance is revealed as the most powerful superconductor ever known, which explains mankind's mining of Pandora."
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get with it.
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Dances with Wolves, Ferngully, Delgo, Disney's Pocahontas, "Call Me Joe",....
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avatar.
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Yes, and I liked Firefly better when it was called Star Wars, Battlestar, Alien, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon.
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Dec 06, 2009 7:51:55 PM CST
Too much spoilage. I'll watch this stuff after the movie.
by anti-fanboy
That tech featurette showed more than I really wanted to see. Trying to keep the first viewing as fresh as possible from here till the 18th.
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its in video form, atleast i think thats how its introduced.
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http://tinyurl.com/nu6ou5
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Cameron should have been laughed out of the room just like Dr Evil was.
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cancelled. Dun Dun Dun...another one bites the dust.
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im sick of these fuckers.
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If my eyes had a clit he would have dickslapped it just there. I didn't watch the Sigourney clip. Just the Cameron interview.
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he really seems to care a lot about this film. You don't really see that with too many directors these days. Hell I think even George Lucas doesn't care about Star Wars, he just wanted to make some Cash flow and get off of his chair for a few months.
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Did that remind anyone else of Dr. Carol Marcus' video regarding the Genesis Planet in Star Trek 2?
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... and, Turd, I totally get it and respect your well-written points. To sum up my only real point : kwisatzaderach speaks of the action adventure sci fi fantasy he's always wanted to see and I guess I just never wanted to se the same thing. James Cameron obviously knows what he's doing and he has been more ambitious and successful with every outing. I prefered Alien to Aliens, I didn't much like The Abyss and I didn't enjoy Titanic. It's like Picasso guy said awhile ago. I respect it, but don't like it.
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And who knows how much they'll have to pay out in apologies to movie-goers.
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So much like the Gaia Hypothesis that I'm willing to bet that Cameron's a big fan of SimEarth, and the DaisyWorld simulations.
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anyway who gives a fuck.
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He's like one of the last few of the geek idols that has always been a constant good as far as his track record goes. You should be hoping the shit is good, not hoping it ain't.
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Dec 06, 2009 8:04:32 PM CST
I'm taking the names down of every hater on this talkback
by dreadlock holmes
Then when opening weekend comes we can see who went to see it, who changed their tune and so on. Should be fun. Wish i did that for The Dark Knight.
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Dec 06, 2009 8:04:35 PM CST
I'm taking the names down of every hater on this talkback
by dreadlock holmes
Then when opening weekend comes we can see who went to see it, who changed their tune and so on. Should be fun. Wish i did that for The Dark Knight.
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Dec 06, 2009 8:04:52 PM CST
For a minute there, I thought someone was now claiming
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
that Avatar had 'ripped off' Fitzcarraldo. Then I realised that is was somebody's user name.Avatar, starring Klaus Kinski. No one will leave the jungle alive.
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didnt care about the prequels thats why they mostly suck.
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I LOVE being wrong about these things. I had a really bad feeling about Wall*E as well but was happy my wife asked me to go see it.
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Yeah, vecause Opening Weekend defines quality (New Moon, Van Helsing, Indy 4, etc. etc.)
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The abso-fucking-lutely gorgeous and amazing HD documentary that was on Discovery a couple years back. As your attorney I advise you to rent it immediately, in Blu-Ray format only, and watch it on the biggest possible screen you can find.
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Dec 06, 2009 8:09:16 PM CST
Audiences have been made numb by shit like Zombieland
by lockesbrokenleg
They forgot what a good movie is supposed to be.
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...I'm a skeptic at this point, but I would love to be proven wrong...when Cameron is on nobody does it better.
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and I have no problem with that kind of disagreement. If Avatar is simply not to your tastes then so be it. I love 2001 and the more contemplative side of the genre, but I also love 'action' sci-fi like Aliens and T2. And that's what I expect to see with Avatar, and why I expect to like it. I also fully believe that Cameron could quite easily do a more ruminative, 'hard' sci fi tale if he so desired, and perhaps he will in the future.
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Dec 06, 2009 8:13:23 PM CST
I'm here because I enjoy talking and/or bitching about
by fa_tass_dinomolester
films, tv and popular entertainment; whether I enjoy them or not is inconsequential. I talk about shit that I don't like all the time...it's more interesting than going on endlessly about stuff that I actually do like. Wasn't aware people with differing opinions weren't allowed to counter the insane hyperbole with an equal amount on cynicism!
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"whether I enjoy them or not is inconsequential"That speaks volumes. Can't say I share much kinship with that type of movie 'fan'.
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Please enjoy my 2001 papier-mache mobile:
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Look, it doesn't matter what genre we're talking about. The writing was pretty bad in Titanic, and the clips I've seen of Avatar are about on par with that. Genre doesn't mean dick... his dialog is not believable, and feels stiff and unoriginal, no matter what the genre is.
And finally, Ace... no wonder you think Cameron is a writing genius, your reading comprehension is sadly lacking. I am not looking for "one thing- any thing- to hate about the movie." I am saying, as I have been, that I am very skeptical about this being even one of Cameron's best films, much less the masterwork he's been talking it up to be, and this is based on the fact that his dialog is, from what I have seen, SERIOUSLY nothing special. Anyone mistaking me for a hater needs to get their eyes checked. I am a skeptic, is all, and despite the fact that this looks visually stunning (albeit far less impressive than many were hoping based on the hype) I expect that the story and characters will be largely forgettable. The fact that I myself am not writing million dollar scripts does not mean I'm not equipped to express my criticism, as some here would attest. If that were the case, this entire site would not be allowed to exist. Grow up, Ace... and anyone else calling me a hater. -
Any Truth to the Rumor that during the lovemaking scene between Jake and Neytiri the soundtrack will be...The Village Peoples' 'IN' the NA'VI.
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if one doesn't like something, one can't discuss it and share one's views, as blatant as they may be? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'll remind you of that next time you complain about whatever upcoming movie you think looks like monkey piss.
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I'm sure the planet scenes and battles will be great, but the set up will put them to sleep.
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So let me get this straight:
1. If you don't have military experience, you don't get to criticize James Cameron.
2. Thinking that Cameron's writing is less than original, and his dialog is less than brilliant, is equal to "hammering another nail in Cameron's coffin" and 3. Disagreeing with you, calmly and rationally, makes a person "scarily dumb." I see. Glad we could get all that straight, "Ace." Oh and by the way, it's defense. With an s. Learn to spell. -
Watch the end of the video he is brave enough to admit people may not be interested in seeing this!
That's a very brave thing to say especially when its got so much Fox money riding on it. I think it will not be a huge hit based on the footage shown just enough to cover costs when it hits the DVD/Bluray/TV Rights markets. -
That's like when people say New Moon is the best twilight fliq yet. It my be true, but it aint sayin' much. By the way, I actually look forward to seeing avatar, but right now my anticipation is at the cheapy theatre level, my Meadowechlorians or at least someone I know in real life is going to have to give it some good reviews for me to want to see it at a regular price theatre.
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Or was. He's not looking for life in outer-space, he's too busy killing life on this one.
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In the Na'vi ;)-
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Dec 06, 2009 8:37:48 PM CST
Lockesbrokenleg, lord forbid that Cameron actually take
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
his time with the set-up, instead of appeasing the ADD crowd that want to see 'splosions from the off. I'm sure Aliens lengthy setup would also have put them to sleep.
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Not to see the film. Stupid preachy story. It's like he isn't even trying to be creative.
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The difference is that when I go off on things I don't like, I don't just post endless, repetitive bile-filled scrawls. I also have cogent reasons for what I dislike.
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Dec 06, 2009 8:43:28 PM CST
Funny how fucking shit like Serenity gets a free pass
by lockesbrokenleg
but this doesn't.
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until now. if this turns out to be be high-dollar, anti-capatalist, eco propaganda bullshit, i will be pissed. i want to be entertained; if i wanted to be sermonized, i'd go back to church. that said, if it's a subtle thing, fine. no problemo
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sheesh
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Dec 06, 2009 8:45:35 PM CST
i wouldn't worry about james cameron being anti capitalist...
by haterofcrap
the dude who made titanic...a movie specifically designed to suck in money like a bilge pump does water...is not going to be anti capitalist.
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Panasonic has an exclusive Avatar clip on their site where the main character first goes into the lab and first meets his Avatarhttp://tr.im/GRBS
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Yeah, and I liked Star Wars better when it was called WAR OF THE WORLDS, THIS ISLAND EARTH, THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, INVADERS FROM MARS, MARS THE RED PLANET, THE THING, WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, DESTINATION MOON, ROCKETSHIP X-M,IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE, BUCK ROGERS, JOHN CORBETT SPACE CADET, FORBIDDEN PLANET....And I liked you better when you were still in your dad' nutsack!
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Dec 06, 2009 8:53:06 PM CST
Turd, I'll cover the reasons for disliking this film
by fa_tass_dinomolester
In my pre-review coming this week, which I stated I'd do for fun in the last Avatar thread when "encouraged to" by ominos(sp)? and some other guy. Until then, you're going to have to deal with the "repetitive bile-filled scrawls" of myself and pretty much everyone else on this site at one point or another!
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Actually, I didn't... but where's the guy who always posts that as his subject heading?"I felt a great disturbance in the chili pot, as if millions of pinto beans cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced".Ah well... he'll turn up eventually. Eyeballs fucked in twelve days; looking forward to it immensely.
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...and I refuse to watch or discuss any further footage regarding Avatar. Nothing matters until AT LEAST the press screenings and international release. Then there will actually be something to discuss.
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Dec 06, 2009 8:57:16 PM CST
Wasn't Unobtainium the stuff the ship was made out of in "The Co
by pushabutton
The stuff that gets stronger the more heat and pressure are applied to it?
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Rose and what's-his-face were VERY forgettable characters. I like Kate Winslet AND Leo DiCaprio, and those actors made that dialog almost tolerable. Titanic is schmaltz, and without the excellently researched and executed special effects that movie is SO forgettable, Oscar or no. Shakespeare In Love won an Oscar too, that doesn't mean it DESERVED to.
If I think these PARTICULAR characters look pretty forgettable, that doesn't mean I'm shitting on everything Cameron has ever done. You are doing EXACTLY what you are excoriating me for, and taking lines out of context... except YOU are blowing them way, WAY out of proportion. For the record, Aliens is one of my top three favorite movies of all time. I'm not saying Cameron HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HACK, you twatwaffle. I'm saying that, since T3, he's been turning out big, flaming special effects shows with average-at-best and painful-at-worst writing. Defend him all you want, that's your right. I respectfully disagree. Twatwaffle. -
Man, you're a bitch.
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come on, dude, be nice. :)
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Thankx, I try...
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That was fucking inspiring!!! I admire James Cameron more than ever! I see his vision now and while special effects will never be perfect. It's definitely beyond anything that's ever been done! I'm genuinely 100% excited for this film!!!
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Book covers I saw as kid and I knew they could never recreate those covers in a movie. Well I was wrong.
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"I'm saying that, since T3, he's been turning out big, flaming special effects shows with average-at-best and painful-at-worst writing."Cameron had nothing to do with T3, you gibbon, and hasn't put out a movie SINCE Titanic.
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BE NICE? On this site? Fuck no.
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And full of yourself, as well. AND, lack the comprehension to even understand YOUR OWN WRITING. When you grow up, you might learn- maybe- that the simple fact that people disagree with you does not make them stupid. Your calling me stupid does not make you right. It makes you insecure and you make me tired.
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I can't think of a movie since November 2003 that's had me in the grip of such anticipation. Okay Maybe DOTD remake when it came out in March 2004. I skipped a weekend at the cottage with the boys for that one!
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...coming from you? High praise, indeed.
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I meant T2.
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You're a maniac. I'm off to check out WORLD TRADE CENTER now though- catch you later w/ my reaction.
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That makes the point anybody else was trying to make moot. English ain't that hard. Curse words and insults are not impressive. But boy do I agree with how tiresome the talkbacks have become this weekend.
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But yet she knows all the character names and situations for all of them.
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How do you know if traxz101 is a 'dude'? Your "begone", and "learn to write dude" were very unkind words to a person just wanting to participate in a tb concerning a movie he would like to see.
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...can I be one too? Cause I wouldn't mind sitting on that bench, thanks.
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Excuse me English before I get flamed from the punctuation police.
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All of you are a bunch of fucking chodes.
We all know we'll be there Friday, Sat or Sunday. Jesus christ, give it a rest.
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Fair enough about your concerns with the dialogue, I had the same concerns. But ultimately, little snippets of dialogue used in trailers don't always give the best idea of what the film dialogue will be like. And I liked the dialogue in Aliens and the first Terminator, so I'm hoping this can be in the vein of those films rather than Titanic. That being said, we won't know the answer until the film opens, so there's not much to be said until then...these things were all debated ad nauseum with the release of the trailers. As for the menstruation joke, yeah, perhaps poor taste on my part, but still...it was pretty funny. You see what I did there? The body of my post mirrored the body of your post verbatim with the use of the single word "Period", only you intended it to mean a form of punctuation, and I used to to mean menstruation! It was funny!
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Y'know, even the half-ass sound card that came with MY computer has an amp on it...does every Gawddamn joe blow video player on the 'Net HAVE to be turned up to maximum upon opening?!
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Do you think any audience gives a flying crap about Cameron's reasoning for using a word? Bottom line, it SOUNDS like a word a hack writer would dream up to describe an exotic mineral. Do you think anyone in the theatr is going to wiki that word and think "ah! Now I know why he chose it". Please come back to reality. And by the way dimwit, Cameron did not invent the character of Ripley. That character was iconic years before Cameron came along. And if you think Bud and Lindsey Brigman even remotely registered with th public consciousness you are sadly, sadly deluded. Go back to your Cameron boxset and spare us any more of your idiotic ramblings.
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You and your ego have yourselves a lovely night. It was a TYPO, dude... and I said SINCE. Not INCLUDING. But again, your reading comprehension isn't the most impressive. And the "millions of people can't be wrong" argument doesn't exactly mark you as a. very smart or b. anyone with any real depth of knowledge of film of his own. Lots of people flocked to see Twilight too, no one is touting it as a Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius, friend. 'nite all.
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Don't ever delete my post again. THE COWBELL HAS SPOKEN.
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Word on trailers not being the best samples of dialog... but a lot of what was in there wasn't just cliche, they were ACTUAL cliches... which is why I'm skeptical. But, essentially, we agree on that.
And, the period thing was ALMOST funny. :)
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And is now trying to cover up his ignorance with 'bad creativity and screenplay writing' on Cameron's part. I guess next he will argue that calling guns, 'guns' in a futuristic movie is the work of a hack. Because a good screenwriter would call them something more original... like... oh... 'Triggerbangs' or some shit like that. Forget the obvious point that the mineral's name is primarily methaphoric. Though he is right about one thing. Some, hell, many in the audience won't know the term and chuckle at it. But in order to make the movie more successful, ScaryWaitress must cater to the audience's tastes, thus consider them stupid and incapable and like good studio exec thinking, must dumb it down with something more fanciful sounding rather than a realistic term. What's Cameron thinking??? Trying to give the audience mroe credit than that... Don't you see? ScaryWaitress has the movie's best interests in mind, ScaryWaitress is just here to help, offering tips from his own jar on how the movie can make more money when you consider the audience you're dealing with...
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Ain't it? *uhum*
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Who gives a shit? It's a fucking nick name like someone has already mentioned.
The guy uses cheesy writing, big fucking deal.
You guys act like Star Trek (awesome movie) was written by Hemingway.
Get the fuck over it. I seriously don't understand people who just waste time hating on something.
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label when referring to Cameron. That's the major problem with your post. At first it seemed like you were expressing your opinion based on ignorance ('Unobtainium), then attributing your disinterest to Cameron's writing. That simply comes across as 'uninformed'.Screenplays are much more about structure, narrative momentum and character than they are about dialogue. Cameron is quite adept with those first 3 skills, but he is weaker with dialogue. That doesn't make him a bad screenwriter as you've implied. Ace of Wands is correct when he/she points out the many memorable characters in Cameron's body of work. And, he's been lauded by several brilliant screenwriters for the unexpected depth he brings to mainstream popcorn entertainment.The level of focus demanded by films like "True Lies" and "Titanic" still require an Olympian level of dedication — so, no, your label of him 'becoming a hack' is as unfortunate as it is inaccurate, as you've had one or two points worth considering.
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I didn't watch the Sigourney clip. I'm not watching one more frame of Avatar until I have 3D glasses on and a major fucking weed buzz.
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really, i think everyone just needs to wait until the movie is out.
back and forth all the time :(
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Watch this scene between Ribisi and Weaver, where dear ol' Giovanni is actually out-acting the content. To steal a quote from Carrie Fisher, "You can write this stuff, James, but you can’t speak it":
http://tinyurl.com/y9sphuk
I particurly rolled my eyes at the point where Selfridge, instead of replying to Grace's "machine gun" line by snapping back, "Are you saying our men can't defend themselves, now?" or something along those lines, instead launches into a sales pitch for unobtainium. You can almost see the word EXPOSITION!!! scrawled in the script margin...
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Now THAT'S a funny line.
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do any of you? there is no ''perfect'' movie, so what if the dialogue sucked in that scene, its one scene.i didnt think it sucked at all.
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How dare you insult Conan The Barbarian like that!
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what do you mean?lol
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...Cameron's dialogue has never brilliant. That's not an insult - it's a fact. It's also not completely awful, particularly for the type of films he makes. But he's not Woody Allen or Robert Altman and he's really not trying to be.
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Thank you for at least laughing. Ooohh, just my little thing with Conan The Barbarian being my favorite movie of all time. I know it's not perfect - not even close. I was just trying to lighten the tension a bit. Folks are just way too in a bunch on the site tonight.
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Never BEEN brilliant. Dang I've been leaving entire words out of posts left and right lately.
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...of the haters even wana admit that he has made some pretty great movies. Anything they can get on avatar is good enough for them to come here and blab their mouths off, trying to sound as though they know what they are talking about.
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i stayed at a summer house 2 years ago, and there was a dvd of that movie laying on the tv, i must have watched it 30+ times lol
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I'm sure you lack the capacity for irony to appreciate how utterly ridiculous your post pointing out the 'stoopidity' of Ace Of Wands' (very well reasoned) post actually is, while exhibiting the most fascimile, mealy mouthed 'logic' your own damn self. You fucking monkey, you are living proof that the only substance that the real world isn't in short supply of is human stupidity.
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You wanna see drop off. Look at fucking Old Dogs.
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Why would Selfridge need to justify what the company has already mandated as current policy? He's not a member of the military, he's a 'company man type' — of course he would focus on what's important to HIS CHARACTER. The point of the scene is he's trying to ignore Grace. Yes, this IS an exposition scene, so what? Does it need to belabour the point of militarism? What does she want in the scene? What does he want in the scene? Information is relayed through the conflict between them. Yeah, it gives quick exposition, but, also reveals character.Don't see why your 'rolling your eyes'…
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Whatever, as long as they got rid of that ridiculous "one neural network downloading another" ending. Anyone with even a passing understanding of how neural networks function knows things don't work that way.
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Seriously.
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Other things made of Unobtainium: female interest, critical acclaim, 3D credibility, photo realism, my money. JK. This will be a fun event movie. Lets name all the fun event movies that are well respected.
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Beautiful imagery to say the least. Now hopefully it will also have a good story and good acting. I suspect it will-- Cameron cares about his art immensely. And to those of you who are blasting this movie sight unseen, you are totally a mystery. I suspect you will pay your $ 11 like the rest of us.
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... you just don't get it. Maybe it's because you're clearly, madly, deeply in love with everything Cameron has ever done. I am not. I never professed to be. I think he HAS done some of the greatest action movies ever made, absolutely. That does not mean that he is above my SKEPTICISM. Not hate. Not disdain. SKEPTICISM.
You keep hammering on the fact that millions of people love his movies, so he gets the benefit of the doubt. Look, friend, if you want to give him that benefit GO AHEAD. I'm not going to. I did not like True Lies. AT ALL. I actively disliked Titanic and still do. From the shorth clips I have seen of this, I AM NOT EXCITED, ok? I'm just not. I would be REALLY excited if this were coming out on Xbox. This looks like a game I want to play... a really beautiful game. It looks like an amazing world I want to spend real time in. The premise- and the dialog- do not fascinate or excite me. It's that fucking simple. It's not based in any film lore, it's based on the fact that the trailers, while beautiful, are loaded with cliched dialog. Give it a fucking rest.
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Conan the Barbarian is my favorite, too. At my place of work recently, I was able to use the meeting room after hours and watch Conan the Barbarian digitally projected onto a big screen...and it was freakin' awesome.
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Cameron's dialogue is completely appropriate for genre work and generally very quotable. He's not Tarantino, Mamet, Woody, or even Kevin Smith, and his stock-in-trade doesn't depend on, or even neccessarily require, such verbal wit or flashy, self-conscious dialogue. It DOES require good writing (which is a completely separate element from dialogue), and Cameron excels at this - great structure, plotting, set-ups, pay-offs, dramatic beats, and scenes that effortlessly advance the plot. Even Titanic was a terific effort in this regard.
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.. a hundred posts back or so. I'll not discuss Avatar any further until it's been released in it's entirety. I'll not watch any more behind the scenes footage, either. Stuff like that is meant to get people who don't know about the movie, or are here-to-for unsure about seeing the movie. I'm sure I'm going to see it and I know all I need to know. In fact, as I've pointed out in the last few Avatar talkbacks, people are ruining the movie for themselves and others by continuing to follow and debate every tiny bit of info released about this film (as well as every comment made on the talkbacks). NO movie deserves this much attention before anybody has even seen it. It's just pure silliness, and it makes the hardcore Star Wars geeks look positively normal and polite. It doesn't matter if it's perfect or even "game changing". All that matters is whether or not each person found it worthy of the money they paid to see it as they're leaving the theater. Now if people would just stop and think about that last statement for a second. How many movies have you paid to see in a theater that were WITHOUT QUESTION of a lower quality than Avatar?However, I will discuss Jim's dialogue at length, because I agree that it's not freakin' Shakespeare. But it's also not some b-movie tripe, either.
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Goddamn, that was HILARIOUS!
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I'm not asking for Hemingway. I'm really not. But let's be serious... "I'm the king of the woooooooorld" is a laughingstock. That's a fact. The schmaltz is making me cringe just remembering it. That line is memorable for all the wrong reasons.
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...Titanic wouldn't have been half of what it was if that wasn't the case. Admittedly Kate and Leo helped, along with Kathy and a Kate's mom... I forget her name... as well as a couple of the other bit players.... like the guy from Alias. Apologies for all the ellipsiseseses. I mean, look at how Zane delivered the same type of lines as an opposite example. But I digress on that point. Really, I just agree with you. Cameron knows how to plot and script a movie, and he knows what kind of dialogue serves his movies to that purpose.
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re: sitting on face...i hear you, man. i hear you.
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the dialouge as if it matters. When the fuck has bad dialouge completely sunk a film? Many of the classics have had atrocious lines. Look how damn clunky and ridiculous a lot of dialouge in StarWars (OT) is, funny how it never mattered. Anyone with a brain will admit its Cameron's weakest ability, but heres the thing, no-one in real life actually talks in such super witty machine gun back and forth like they do in movies. Thats why generally people will overlook clunky dialouge, because thats partly how people really talk for fucks sake...
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that ones for you. gotta agree with Jaka there too. YOU WILL GET YOUR MONEYS WORTH. That is all that matters.
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I hope the movie is great (most likely will be) but I can't say that I'm blown away with all the cgi that I have seen.
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...I actually love Titanic, and I have nothing against schmaltz. Fact of the matter is, if you get caught up in the whole spectacle of the movie there are a lot of little cheese wedges here and there that can be easily walked around. However, I'm not so sure that's really one of them. A lot of people love that line. Certainly as many people love it as hate it. But if you can REALLY suspend your disbelief enough to get into fully into the movie, someone in Leo's position, who came from where he came from and lived the life he lived, well they might really feel that way at that moment. Titanic, the ship, was after all the absolute height of glamor and modern engineering up to that point. For a gutter rat by the page artist to be cruising along on the bow of that ship at sunset because he won a hand of poker, well, king of the world, baby. King of the world.
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and how scripts are written knows its all about the structure and the concepts/ideas. And when it comes to structure, Cameron's screenplays are perfect.
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I'd clean out her little box.
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I never saw Conan on the big screen. I was too young when it was first released. That sounds like ultimate geek coolness to me.
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memorable because of the film, and the context in said film in which they are said. NOT because they are examples of sparkling dialouge....
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Dec 06, 2009 10:24:54 PM CST
'King of the World' was never a laughing stock in the movie itse
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
It was Cameron's oscar speech that was ridiculed. Of course, even there that was because idiots thought that Cameron was egotistically proclaiming himself world ruler, instead of mirroring one of his own character's lines as a way of expressing his elation at Titanic' success.
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But this is my whole argument, right here, and I guess in the end it comes down to personal taste. Star Wars is a case in point. NOT Hemingway... but somehow it was better. The characters were magic in a way that was lacking in say, True Lies. I saw that movie twice, and I don't remember a fucking thing about it except for that horribly awkward strip-tease dance Jamie Lee Curtis did in that hotel room. The "great structure, plotting, set-ups, pay-offs, dramatic beats, and scenes that effortlessly advance the plot..." all that stuff Cameron is lauded for (and in most cases rightfully so) did JACK to make True Lies a good action flick in my book. None of his wizardry could make up for the painful dialog and the HORRIBLE lack of chemistry between Arnold and Curtis. That movie was god-awful. I stand by my statement. Dialog doesn't have to be snappy. It doesn't have to be Hemingway. But it DOES have to at least not be in the way, and if it's going to be average- or worse- then the actors need to be absolutely. Fucking. Perfect. The fact that he picked a largely unknown guy to play the lead is promising. THAT gives me hope.
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Fletch is a hodge podge of random scenes woven together based on a loose premise and it probably has the most quoteable and best lines EVER! Just sayin.
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People were making fun of that line from day ONE. WAY before the acceptance speech.
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...recently saw it again on the new TV...until then I had only seen it on little TVs and VHS. It held up even better than I expected...love that huge canvas bible epic style + blood and guts. Sure, there's a little cheese in there, but it's 97% pure ass kickery. So much better than it has any business being.
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So he can either stop people from screwin around, or show them what a real future war is like. I'd love for him to do a future war movie that shows John Connor sending back Reese, that way it doesn't screw with the ending of t2, where I personally feel ended judgment day, not delayed it. All this is just wishful thinking of course, but I really hope Battle Angel (Alita) is his next project. On a personal note one of the reasons I'm not too big on his December 2009 fliq is cuz there was this kid I used to know in elementary. Then middle school and pooberty along with his sister dying messed him up. Anyway now most of the time he's just your stereotypical emo/goth type kid, and sometimes he brings a big teddy bear to school with his sister's ashes in them. And to top it all off for the passed two years he's been calling himself avatar. Yeah it doesn't have anything to do with jim cam but everytime I hear/read that word I think of him. Anyway I hope the movie is good, but I can't help but think it'll be like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow; "groundbreaking" but not standing the test of time.
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they all just come out of Tom Arnold.
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...not exactly movie theater size, but a pretty large projector screen used in our meeting room. The day when we'll all be able to afford to watch our favorite films is soon approaching as these projectors get more affordable. But our meeting room has a cool set up with speakers throughout the room to give a nice surround sound deal...it was sweet.
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If there's one word in your argument you might want to be sure you can spell properly, that would be "dialogue".
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Dec 06, 2009 10:34:08 PM CST
"True Lies" is a comedy with action; it was a response to
by blakindigo
"The Last Action Hero". It was more about Arnold playing against type then it was about it's thrilling action scenes. Almost all of the action sequences are undercut with comedy to beat the dead horse, um sorry, reinforce the idea that the film was a comment on James Bond absurdities.
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or at the very least confusing personal taste with objective reasoning. Star Wars - and I LOVE Star Wars - has FAR worse dialogue than any Cameron movie, including Titanic. And whether the characters were 'magical' or not had very little to do with dialogue regardless.True Lies has actually got great dialogue, maybe some of Cameron's best, certainly very funny, and definitely the closet to the 'machine gun wit' and humorous screwball comedy dialogue that seems to be being held up as the model for good cinematic chatter. As for the chemistry between Arnold and Curtis, we certainly must have been watching a different movie - that was a very unorthodox coupling and it actually worked superbly. They clearly had great repartee (both onscreen and off according to reports).BTW, TL is a terrific action movie, and if it's so unmemorable, why has it been countlessly referenced and riffed off in tons of blockbusters over the past 15 years - from Mr and Mrs. Smith to MI3, Die Hard 4 to The Matrix? And that's just Cameron's most throw-away movie.
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...plus, the new DVD version has extra footage that wasn't on the original VHS, as all the worshippers slowly put out their torches in the water one by one as Conan sits on the steps, and then swings a large torch up top to set the entire structure ablaze. The film is great.
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Wow. Just…WOW…
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...wrote some of the worst run-on sentences in the history or literature. Also, his work is often dry, depressing and difficult to read. And I'm probably wrong, but did he even write any plays? I ask that because the dialogue we're discussing is quite different in a book than a play or a movie. Also, I'm not sure after a quick skimming that I saw one person list True Lies as Cameron's best, or even list it at all. Only you did that. I'm not trying to pick on you at all. In fact, I had your back up there a bit. But your point argument really isn't a very strong one. As several people have mentioned, Cameron is not making "that kind" of movie. He never has. And as a REALLY solid example of what I'm getting at, look at how cheese filled most of Arnold's other movie output was. Then compare it to what he did with Cameron. Jimmy Boy is not trying to wow you with his dialogue, not at all. He's scripting scenes to help move along his visually stunning and technology advances spectacles. It's really that simple, I think.
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Dec 06, 2009 10:37:33 PM CST
Also, regarding Titanic 'King of the World'
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
No, they weren't, I can assure you of that...I was there (assuming you were too if you're old enough to remember).
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Dec 06, 2009 10:37:38 PM CST
Camerons king of the world line at the oscars
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
Was the most unintentionally funny public apperance of all time. Better than Tom cruise's destruction of oprahs couch or kanye west pwning Taylor swift
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Come on. You have to be able to see where I'm coming from. Titanic's story is as clunky as the boat at the center of the story. The premise: hardscrabble young whippersnapper wins a ticket on the world's most famous ship, meets cute with a girl who is trapped in a glamorous world of wealth and prestige. Her family expects her to be a good girl and marry well, but NO! she's different. She's got spunk. So she goes and experiences LIFE for the first time with her new love, defying her family... but of course this is the Titanic, so enter the tragic ending. The story is something a high-schooler would write.If you take away everything before the part where the ship hits the iceberg, you have a great action flick. I'm not denying the sinking-ship scenes were flawless. But the story is TIRED, and the dialog did not elevate it. Titanic and True Lies broke my faith in Cameron. I am skeptical that Avatar will restore it. And Turd... I simply have different takes on these movies. If TL worked for ya, FINE. The fact that I disagree does not make me full of shit.
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Obviously, you were. And maybe a better way to phrase it would be "some people were". Because CLEARLY there are many people here who didn't feel that way then, and don't feel that way now. *shrugs*
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—C'mon! Who doesn't love the giant snake in that movie? How can you not love the opening sequence? The orgy? The one where James Earl Jones turns into a snake?I REFUSE to believe people don't like that movie!
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were just a quick way of saying great writing. It's not a reference to be taken LITERALLY.
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...or whatever that guys name was in disguise? lol No, I don't see it your way at all and I, as well as many other people, have explained to you why we feel that way. We don't have to agree. Really, it's totally cool with me that we don't. But I won't acquiesce. I simply don't agree with you and I think your point is kind of weak. I can apply what I said to Avatar about any other Cameron film: how many OTHER films have you gone to where you walked out of the theater and felt like you didn't get your moneys worth? For me, that's never happened with a Cameron film. I don't think they're the "best thing ever!" But I've always been satisfied with the cinematic experience. Far more than I have with about 1000 other films.
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It's called sarcasm, look it up. And you had my back? This isn't a high school fight.
Point is, people are acting like a bunch of tards. I've said it once, and I'll say it again (and probably have to say it again because a lot of you don't give it up).
if you don't like the film, then why the hell are you here trying to attack it? Sure, freedom of speech, your opinion---You know what. Fuck it. Why even bother? You guys will just fish for more arguments.
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Hey fuckers, go out and direct your own movies and TV shows. Until, then, you're just a pretend critic.
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...but, uhhh, you seem to be taking an awful lot of this "literally". Cameron's films are not documentaries. And they aren't adaptations of classic literature. Kna' I'm sayin'?
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In NO way did kanye west pwn Taylor Swift. He was there to pick up his...DOUCHEBAG of the DECADE AWARD!
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did anyone here happen to see "Brothers" over the weekend. I was thinking about sneaking in the late show here in a couple hours. Any informed opinions will be appreciated.Alrighty, then...back to Cameron bashing.
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I wasn't even talking to you dude. Unless you're also ScaryWaitress. Geez people. Learn how to discuss and debate already. NOTHING WE DISCUSS HERE IS THIS FREAKIN' SERIOUS! Again, geez.
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What's funny, is Selfridge's abrupt change of subject annoys me, a leftist, because it's completely unfair to his character, a presumably right or apolitical corporate man.
Over the last nine years, I've sat in on many the argument between left and right and the US's role in Iraq. No self-respecting proponent would cop out that way if confronted by a lefty claiming that the military was using nasty weaponry on the local populace...they'd almost immediately respond that they were entitled to fire back and protect themselves, and that, no matter how reckless their soldiers and hired guns get, it's simply self-protection. One sees similar arguments in the ongoing Israeli conflict.
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Did you actually read ANYTHING I wrote? lol I not only said pretty much exactly what you just said to me verbatim, but also said I won't discuss Avatar any further until it's actually been released. Dude, I was debating dialogue, or dialog if you prefer, with ScaryWaitress.
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...somehow made the ending significantly more powerful. I think the bringing Conan back to life bit is my favorite part...the weird red light, the writing, and the way the stacked down body lifts up...low tech but completely effective...
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I could not have said that any better if I had spent the entire length of all his crap albums put together trying to do so. Thank you.
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Holy shit, woman. I'm saying, I GET he isn't trying to be Woody Allen, OK? But then the dialog/ue- if it's going to be leaden and stiff, as his often is- needs to be balanced by something else. FLAWLESS pacing. AMAZING chemistry between the actors. SOMETHING. And his last few films haven't done that for me. Titanic would have been WAY BETTER if he HAD made a documentary. KEN BURNS writes better lines. Look, we're clearly arguing our tastes here, so let's just agree to disagree and let it rest.
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Dec 06, 2009 10:48:36 PM CST
"The story is something a high-schooler would write."
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Then Shakespeare must be a Kindergarten-level writer by that reasoning, since Romeo and Juliet utilizes a very similar universal story archetype.
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Dec 06, 2009 10:49:14 PM CST
Dr morbius I was joking about that part but
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
I found it funny how Taylor swift came out of it like she was some sort of hero or rape
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I thought he learned his lesson with southpark's gayfish song, and he made it seem like he did. Hopefully this time he can either stay humble or just go away.
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locke wrote, "Hey fuckers, go out and direct your own movies and TV shows. Until, then, you're just a pretend critic."But yet has the temerity to dis Joss Whedon in nearly every tb he trolls! Pot-Kettle_Black
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... so freakin' happy! Thanks people. I love all the part you've mentioned as I love pretty much every damn second of that movie. The low tech works fine for me, too. Actually, I think it works better for me now that I've been beatin' over the head with endless unnecessary CGI.
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But it's FUN! FUNNN!!
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"But then the dialog/ue- if it's going to be leaden and stiff, as his often is- needs to be balanced by something else. FLAWLESS pacing. AMAZING chemistry between the actors. SOMETHING."Then by that line of thought Titanic was a unqualified success, since it DID contain amazing chemistry between Winslet and DiCaprio, and was also flawlessly edited and paced, despite the 'clunky' dialogue.
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... I most definitely have a penis. Sorry my lack of cursing and insults doesn't make that clear. (Cerebus was taken when I joined the site way back when, what's an aardvark gonna do?) However, I don't believe we're arguing taste at all. I think you've been trying to make a point and don't have enough strength or fact in your arguments to back it up. It's clear that pretty much the entire talkback disagrees with your "taste" regardless. But cool. We can call it a day on this one if you like. : )
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...the same story, being done over and over again... if you're going to re-do Romeo and Juliet, but just put it on a fucking boat, that script had BETTER be fucking Shakespeare quality.
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Thanks....it's all good!
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Jus' sayin'.
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—"Titanic" was an allegory about class divisions and how they interact with technology? The 'star-crossed lovers' archetypes were a familiar narrative strategy that Cameron applied to emphasize the similarities between the people within those social roles. Why did that bother you so much? I mean, was it the status of gender roles within the time period? The idea of a 'Romeo and Juliet' style romance? The depiction of the Irish and Italians? Billy Zane? Kathy Bates?
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You picked a CHICK's name. So forgive me for actually knowing my Cerebus, and knowing where that came from. I was all set to bury the hatchet. I was burying it, in fact, and you picked it up and whacked me with it. So fine. Love Ti-scmaltz-ic all you want... I have been arguing MY OPINION, stated NUMEROUS times, this entire talkback... and in fact, some people have agreed with me. So whatever.
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Hahahahahah!! That's like having Johnny Rotten as guest judge on"American Idol."
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Titanic has to be Shakespeare level to be worthy? That's just asinine.Titanic isn't a 're-do' of R&J, anymore than Avatar is a 're-do' of Pocahontas, or Alien is a remake of 'Ten Little Indians', or any other vague structure you can nail these things to. I said it was a similar dramatic story structure. Nearly every story ever written conforms to about 7 basic archetypes. It's the specifics and details, the cojoining of different elements and genres, that matters. If any writer had to best the greatest writers in history when tackling a paticular story type, then 99% of movies (or novel or plays)ever written would be worthless. Even Preston Sturges, Harold Pinter, and Sylvia Plath would have been considered 'hacks' by such petty-minded rationales.
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...despite my better judgment...mostly because JC puts an action sequence together as well or better than anyone.That and it gave us Kate Winslet's plump young breasts. I love her plump breasts and I want them to have a long and happy life. I can't help rooting for them. I'm really glad they don't end up at the bottom of the cold, dark Atlantic. I imagine they would be cold and unhappy there...
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Now you're going to try to paint Titanic as a serious examination of class issues? Oh good grief. My problem with the movie is that it is largely sentimental scmaltz, with some well-researched historical details thrown in to give it gravitas. The dialog/ue was leaden. The story was eh. I had a problem with the execution, not the subject matter.
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It looks fucking stupid.
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Dec 06, 2009 11:04:17 PM CST
Some people are confusing necessary dramatic devices
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
with 'unoriginality' and hackery. Piffle.
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...I responded that way because you went all "shit woman" with it. But cool that you know your Cerebus. That's lovely. I can't apologize for making a strong argument against yours as that's what I consider a good debate to be. I didn't insult your or degrade you purposely. And I actually only said MOST of the talkback, not all. But I offer my apologies if you feel I somehow crossed some sort of imaginary line. No personal offense was meant. .... I still totally disagree with you, though. :p
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Dec 06, 2009 11:05:26 PM CST
Nope, I'm not painting "Titanic" as a 'serious examination'
by blakindigo
Sentimental it definitely is.
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Everything I've seen since the first teaser has left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I've watched the clips they've released and I just can't get behind it. The CGI looks like cut scenes from a really good XBox game and the exchange between Sigourney Weaver and Giovanni Ribisi is a joke, both in terms of acting and script. Zoe Saldana is the only actor who seems to be on her a-game. The cuts from the soundtrack sound awful. All of this adds up to a movie I've waited a decade for that I'm not going to see.
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Why are people complaining about Cat People, and weird backgrounds and shit. Fuck, ever here of a little movie called Star Wars? It's SCI FI people!!
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This guy who had an outie rubbed against my back. Made me scared @ first, but then sad for him that that's all that he had to work with. Then I saw it was his outie and I just cheshired XD
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This guy who had an outie rubbed against my back. Made me scared @ first, but then sad for him that that's all that he had to work with. Then I saw it was his outie and I just cheshired XD
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who said anything about horses? WTF??!! do you now understand that this is an alien world-- from the water, to air, to land animals or animals that fly to who knows what else, this world has creatures that are unique to it.
Who said we are taking Earth horses and adding two legs.
My G-d man, does NOTHING impress you?
Looks stupid?
Guess you didn't like Aliens either huh? or true Lies? or The Abyss?
Which Sci Fi movies do you actually like?
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...every schmaltzy movie with even slightly imperfect "dialogue" should be written off and never watched again? Because that's like, about 2/3 of every movie that's ever been made, I believe.
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Dec 06, 2009 11:07:06 PM CST
So Jaka is the name of a female character?
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
That explains a lot.
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roflol... I just snorted... lol
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Dec 06, 2009 11:08:35 PM CST
For the record I was just asking why you dismiss "Titanic"
by blakindigo
That's all. You can go back to 'Secret-Sacred-Wars-Roach' if you need to…
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I can't wait to see it. Call it thundersmurfs or a cgi mash, or a cartoon, I am pumped to see it!
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... that I totally pwned you in that other thread without cursing or threatening you. It means that you're a silly troll. And it means that no matter what you say to me in this talkback, no matter how hard you try to prove you're "special", I will not say another word to you. Hugs, bubbies.
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Where he admitted the next day that southpark "murdered" him, and that in his career he originally was boastful so he could make people believe in his talent, but now that he's had success he was gonna tone down the ego. Then Taylor Swift won her vma and the rest is history.
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...references in the same talkback. Best. Ever!!! : )
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can't believe people are defending the first half of Titanic. Never watch anything but the second VHS tape. The rest circles the drain.
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Dec 06, 2009 11:14:43 PM CST
Has there been a movie with so much negativity pre it being revi
by miyamoto_musashi
Maybe there has, but still amazed with the negativity on AICN regarding this and have been coming here for a few years, so I do get that there is a lot of glass half empty people here.
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B movies then. HELL no, that's not what I'm saying. What I AM saying is that, for anyone to say that Cameron's track record puts him above the slightest criticism/skepticism (as has been opined here tonight) then his track record needs to be unanimously agreed upon to be next to perfect... which Cameron's is not, and in MAJOR ways. Not as in his-little-indie-projects-bombed, but as in some-of-his-most-"hallowed"-creations-are-sorely-lacking. That's been my argument: That, for James Cameron to be above the skepticism of all who post here, his track record must merit it, and that, in my opinion, the biggest thing killing my enthusiasm for Avatar is the tired dialog/ue I have seen in every trailer to date, and I have past axes to grind with Cameron in this regard, which I have documented for your pleasure here tonight.
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...I'm not sure there's been this much discussion, negative or otherwise, about any movie, ever! Like, not all there prequels and the LOTR trilogy combined. It's somewhat insane. Especially when you consider this is only one of the many, MANY places it's being discussed as well as the fact that nobody has even seen the entire movie. As if any movie can truly be judged by a trailer or a 20 minute preview. Viewing the entire arch of the story on a big is screen (hopefully in 3D) will be a completely different experience.
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Dec 06, 2009 11:18:17 PM CST
Jaka - pwned? Hah! Pulease - you ran the fuck away
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
You said some random, rambling, pretentious shit and ran away just like brave brave sir Robin after his nostrils were raped! You are getting whipped and exposed over here for the pussy/dick/pussy (do you even know what you are?) - really, a man taking the name of a female character? Hah! Hah! And you think you pwned anyone but yourself? ROTFLMFAO I am crying for lauging so hard over here I sewar I had to stop typing! You named yourslef after a female character and got caught and pwned your own damn self in the process! Fucking priceless. You add a new definition to useless prick if you even have one! Oh shit, pwned ! Hah! hah! hah! Damn I am still laughing at that.
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Because I don't think anything or anyone is above criticism or skepticism. In fact, I believe he's made a couple clunkers, True Lies being one of them. Also, I'll always hold some sort of skepticism against him for the ridiculously long wait in between Titanic and Avatar. Most directors fight to get films made and he had the power to do whatever he wanted. He's kind of a douche for that.
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and the benefit of the doubt. His output has rarely dipped in quality over the years, and even then, only by subjective degrees. Sorry, but if anyone deserves a little faith, it's JC. And the fact that there are some here who act as if we're talking about some run-of-the-mill hack (that's another pet peeve of mine. Look up that word before you toss it around indiscriminately), or as if Avatar will be on the same cinematic level as Twilight, is nothing but a bad joke.
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I think it is a combination of some people wanting to be contrary, and some jealousy, as well as people being ticked off by Cameron's personality, and being told that this movie will be a game changer, long before one eyeball has been laid - on it that is! Matters not to me, I plan on being there opening night!
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It's used way too often as an insult to directors who don't even approach that level of ineptitude.
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because a while back you said that most everyone here disagrees with me, and that I can't back up any of my argument. This is THE argument I have been making. All night.I will take a lot of shit, but the one thing I cannot abide is when some douchebag tells me I don't have the right to be skeptical about an upcoming feature. Like the schmuck who keeps squawking about the fact that, until we've all been as successful as Cameron, we don't get to say shit. So tiresome. I will fight that mindless kiss-ass bullshit at every turn.And on that, good night all. For real this time.
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That's a more clear explanation than your previous posts. I completely agree that Cameron's track record doesn't "put him above the slightest criticism/skepticism…', it was that the reasons you had mentioned before seemed contradictory. As we all seem to agree (okay, maybe just a few of us) dialogue isn't the primary qualifier for screenwriting but, it's an important element. Your dislike for "Titanic" (it literally doesn't 'float your boat'—forgive me) seems much more like a distaste of the concept AND the execution. That's also fine.Skepticism is healthy. But, man just don't see the same level of tainted goods in his genre movies as you do. So, I think it's fair for people to want you to clarify them, because they're not sure if it's the same trollish dialog (see what I did there?) coming from the 'Avatar Hate Brigade'. It's all good.I still like 'Secret-Sacred-Wars-Roach' btw.
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...talkback.Life is good sometimes.
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Minimalist and effective script, one of the best scores ever put to a film, and amazing cinematography. No...it isn't "Conan" of the comics,...but as a movie that fucker is far more entertaining and better put together than a great number of today's shitfests. If you can't find something to like in Conan the Barbarian you must be fucking dead.
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...looked extremely fake and cartoony.
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...and think your argument was weak. But I, specifically -me, never told you that you HAD to be ANYTHING or ANYWAY. I simply argued your point with my own. Something I could have continued to do for many more hours. Like I said, it really wasn't personal. And anybody who takes anything that goes on here that way is really much too far out of touch with real world. It's JUST A MOVIE GOSSIP SITE PEOPLE. Anyway. Hope we can debate again sometime.
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Leonardo DiCaprio as Rick. In a film by _________. Coming this summer. You will witness the legacy of a Warrior. A Pope. A Legend. "Cerebus: The Movie."I love Tequila…
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...should be required listening. Seriously. Epic, genius. The first third of the movie has barely any dialogue and it just flies along on the strength of the soundtrack alone. I've been waiting for a legit 2 disc version forever - probably never going to happen.
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that some jackoff basement dweller and his overweight girlfriend will cover themselves in Blue Fucking Fun Fur to see Avatar opening night. That's right...people will dress up before they even see the fucking film. You know they will...I'll see it once the furries get their fill.
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With Happy Pony. And I'm not missing Happy Pony! ;)
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We were just discussing the possible Cerebus films in another talkback recently - not sure if you were there. I would love it, and it seems more likely these days as Dave is being a real person again. It'll probably never happen though... unless I win the lottery and give Dave a ton of money so he can make alms for the rest of his days. Kate as Jaka would be great, because she's one of my favorites. But she's too thick.... mmmm, thick Kate. Secret Sacred Wars Roach is definitely one of Dave's high points. It's just too bad that a majority of comic books are still exactly what he was making fun of way back then.
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has made me want to see it less...
except this. this kinda makes me think it'll be worth it for the 3D IMAX type experience alone...
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has made me want to see it less...
except this. this kinda makes me think it'll be worth it for the 3D IMAX type experience alone...
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I fail to see how Cameron is a douche for making us wait 12 years betwen projects. Some people have interests beyond simply movie-making, and clearly Cameron was at a turning point at that time of his life after scoring big with titanic. He had reached a marker, a plateau. Maybe he was even having a mid-life crisis. But in any case he clearly wanted to pursue some of his scientific interests before he got too old. As he said, he can do movies up until he's 80, not so with expeditions. I don't think we'll ever see any such long gap like that again. I expect he'll be back to making a movie every 2 or 3 years at least like he used to. Sure, I would have liked him to continue making movies in that interim, but it's probably a good thing. Means he can come back with a fresh perspective. When directors get too insular, in that their lives are all about movies and nothing else, or revolve only around the film business, lethargy can set in. No wonder Tarantino (who appears to have very little interest in anything BUT movies) is so self-referential. Even Spielberg seems to be losing steam, and simply pursuing needless re-makes.Plus Cameron isn't the type to just churn stuff out - clearly he has waited till the technology was right, to allow him the opportunities to make the films he really wanted to make, on a scale or utilizing a new, less limiting methodology, that he always desired. That goes for Avatar, Battle Angel and anything else he wants to attempt.Also, I do believe he tried to get many projects, either directing or producing, off the ground in the interim between these movies - they all collapsed for a variety of reasons. They include the first iteration of Avatar(to directly follow Titanic in 99), a remake of Planet of the Apes and Fantastic Voyage, Alien 5 teaming up with Scott, A sci-fi movie with Harrison Ford called Godspeed, Bright Angel Falling, a Mars movie, Anne Rice's Ramses the Damned, Coffin with Del Toro, Fathom, Ghosts of Vesuvius, and quite a few others.
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Dave has said repeatedly that Cerebus sounds like George C. Scott, which is a bit how Dave sounds. www.cerebustv.com
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that buzzed around Cerebus? Mmm...luscious. I had a few issues, but that was 1986. Nice to see TBers getting blotto on tequila and coming here to share their tequila thoughts. I'm shithoused myself.
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Just a figure of speech, really. But I'll say again, he had the power to get any film made that tickled his fancy. Like, in that moment, he had Spielberg power. I will, personally, always be disappointed that he took so long to release a film that he actually made. I know he was "doing stuff" - I actually followed what he was doing for a while. But eventually I got bored of waiting for a film and moved on to following other peoples work. Avatar actually kind of jumped up and surprised me a few months back.
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Love that lecture Conan gets from his dad...and the attack on the village; it really is a highpoint of sorts for the "fantasy" genre..heavy, dark, serious...perfectly shot.That film is proof You do not need a $300M budget and a bank of computers if you know what the fuck you are doing in the first place.
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Who was at least partially based on Wendy Pini, co-creator or Elfquest. Jaka was the love interest and, in my opinion, repeatedly the best part of the series. The way he tossed her away, again, at the end of the story will always piss me off (mostly because I believe in part that it was Dave being lazy with the storytelling so he could get on with alienating most of his remaining readership with Latter Days).
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...in the twilight...the mom's head falling and her hand slipping out of Conan's in slow motion...running epically across the tundra...bad guys charging the village in the snow...the Wheel of Pain montage...
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...I'd just like to say that I'll be shutting the fuck up now, because that has just sold it for me.The first teaser was lame, the "we're not in Kansas anymore" bit deserved all the derision it got, but this...man, I'm not so jaded that I can't appreciate the sheer scale of what the guy is attempting here.Ok, it may end up being a prettier cut-n-paste version of 'Dances With Wolves', and we might all end up smirking at it on holiday tv years from now, but come on - we're movie geeks, right? How can you not look at that and be just a teensy bit wowed?Fuck it, I'm there. 3D Imax, large nachos and a man's Coke. Bring it on, Jimbo!
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Seriously, it's still the best in my mind. If PJ could have gone darker with the LOTR trilogy I mold hold it up to the same level (don't get me wrong - I love the LOTR trilogy). But he had to add the lame comedy relief, so I just can't put it on the same level. One of the things I love about Conan - and yes I understand it's a fantasy film and magic isn't real and people don't really turn into snakes - is how gritty and real it is. People are dirty and ugly. Towns are dirty dirty and ugly. Building and dwellings aren't architecturally perfect. And most important, swords and armor are freakin' heavy! lol
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I'ma put that DVD on right now. It's a NEAR perfect film, I tell ya!
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—Why the fuck am I still laughing at the 'Blue Fucking Fun Fur' comment?
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Sigourney usually has a pretty dry delivery, but this was barely passable on a professional level.
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—Did anyone ever get Marvel Comics' adaptation of the 'Conan' movie? God Bless John Buscema.
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Man, I think a lot of us feel that way to some degree. It's just that we've allowed ourselves, for far too long, to get caught up in these ridiculously speculative and negative talkbacks. NOBODY has actually seen it! I'll admit that I'm interested to read what the critics (because he is doing critic screenings) and international audience think of it. But it won't sway the fact that I long ago decided I'm going to check it out for myself.
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Ummmmm.... I think I might have every Conan ever printed (in digital form, at least). And I'm still laughing about the blue fur comment, too. Mostly because it's true. Just think of the cosplay at conventions in a couple years if the movie is a massive hit. Could be good, crazy cosplay women in blue fur get-ups.
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That was the rumor anyways.
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Hopefully they'll be a review. And, eye-fuggin'.
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I'ma go chillax and watch the storm clouds roll in before I hit the sack with some Conan The Barbarian on repeat. Lateski.
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Dec 07, 2009 12:12:42 AM CST
Quick question-is John Williams scoring this?
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
And does anybody know if he's scoring deathly hallows? He said he would love to come back but so did Alfonso cuaron but wb didn't fucking sign him...fools! Williams did play a show recently and he did do a hour of Harry potter so I thought that meant yes but still didn't hear anything about him being signed.
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And I'm frankly surprised no other science geeks here have picked up on it. Anyway, just a nitpick. I'm not superjazzed one way or another about this flick, I look forward to seeing it, and will hopefully spend an amusing couple hourse of my life viewing it. I'll add the usual disclaimers, to wit Aliens and The Abyss are two of my favorite movies, yadda yadda, that and four dollars will get you a cup of coffee on this talkback.
So, my only nitpick is with Alpha Centauri. I'm assuming JC chose Alpha Centauri for the "hard scifi" reason of it being close enough to be travelled to in five years at just less than lightspeed. It's really the only stellar system he could choose for such purposes. However, we've been discovering solar systems for nigh on fifteen years, and while we've discovered more than 200 extra-solar planets, we've discovered none around Alpha Centauri. If Pandora orbits a gas giant, we'd know about it. So his planet is invented from whole cloth. Also, who cares? It's flying space reptiles and blue folk vs. mecha and twin-rotor helicopters. It's popcorn. Have fun and happy holidays. -
Y'know, that whole bullshit critique of SALVATION and its version of the "future war" is something that just drives me bugfuck, so pardon me while I unload:
I'm amazed that a number of so-called fans of the series don't understand the premise of the movie...it wasn't the full-blown "future war" era YET. The movie takes place at the point where Skynet has already eliminated most of the global population and is calmly organizing itself for its "Final Solution" to the human "problem". Part of that effort is taking the time to develop a new and vastly superior T-800 model...
(I'm not sure how many of its critics caught what was one of its genius plot gimmicks...that SALVATION's Arnie easily survived attacks nearly identical to what destroyed him in T1 [pipe bomb...he takes four direct grenade hits] and T2 [molten steel...even exploiting a temperature differential caused by a coolant duct doesn't finish him] )
During the movie it's indicated in two different scenes that Skynet is hanging back...one, where the 7/11 residents are asserting that the Resistance is only making things worse, and another when Conner observes that Skynet is observing certain geographical boundries, like the "Valley Of Death".
Plainly, it's the destruction of Skynet's global headquarters in SF that initiates the next step in the war (kind of a "machine 9/11"), as the AI unleashes an army of T-800 foot soldiers and infiltrators from its surviving bases to reinforce its HKs, and the more desperate scenario shown briefly in T1 and T2 takes place.
And while I wasn't wild about T3, the notion of the timeline resetting itself made sense, thanks to "the butterfly effect". Cyberdyne and its research was no more destroyed by the events in T2 then Google might be if an earthquake hit its headquarters next week. It was simply a setback...Dr. Dyson had to have had partners and managers making note of his discoveries, even if he destroyed his own data. -
I see where you're coming from, but I personally feel that a terminator fliq without big jim cam is just a "what if" kind of movie. On the flip side, if salvation wasn't a fullblown "future war" fliq, then what is? I mean t3 and salvation have set up that judgment day occured around 2003, and salvation takes place in 2018, so yeah you can kinda say it's not a war until humanity starts to make skynet sweat, but the years between 2003-2018 HAVE TO COUNT because it's pretty unrealistic to say that those years humanity wasn't fighting a war, that they were just getting by. Because if you think about it, humanity is obviously not the dominant force it once was, but you can hardly count a couple of strongholds the machines have as being proof of their dominance. Even the machines in The Matrix had their own thriving community in Zero One, whereas skynet just has bases and with the exception of the t800s in t2 and 3, no other machines have what you can call consciousness because their cpu's are "read-only" as demonstrated by that cut scene where they turn arnie off and try to turn off that particular function.
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Fuck yeah! All the wait is almost over.
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besides like 1 photo.
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besides like 1 photo. and commercial.
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...I knew this movie is a dog. Who resorts to such blatant product placement on a Fox procedural show? It was stupid, having three "nerdy" Bones characters panting over getting tickets to the first screening of Avatar. It reminded me of those awful, hacky "events" NBC "threw" to promote Heroes. So desperate, so obvious.
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Good point. It seems the effect of Alpha Centauri A and B being so close together didn't allow for any larger bodies to form, in the same way that Jupiter's gravity disrupted a significant planet from forming between itself and Mars and created the asteroid belt instead.
I'd speculate that the system only has such "rubble" and dwarf planets in its vicinity. The third star in its system, Alpha Centauri C, is far enough off from the main pair that it could have a gas giant, but given how dim and red its parent star is, it would be radically dissimilar from Pandora.
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talking about? Can you please explain to us that don't watch much T.V.?
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With like people waiting in line for the movie and geeks talking about it and all that. Even as someone looking forward to this, I gotta say that's pretty low for fox, and sets a bad precedent.
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I just kind of wish all of you haters (and apologists) would just chill out and wait for opening day. It might be good, it might not be good, or it might be great. Being passionate about movies is cool; obsessing over the word "unobtanium" is borderline psychotic, and just plain weird.
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You know damn well your sorry ass is paying a ticket to see it on Dec.18th or earlier. Cameron is about to make history yet again. I could care less about box office receipts. Its what I saw in the featurette that blew me away. AVATAR will be my first IMAX 3-D experience, ever ! And I may see it multiple times before it comes home on BluRay.
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It may sound like a "cheat", but when it comes to the TERMINATOR series, dates are superfluous. Reason being, "Judgment Day" is ALWAYS going to be a moving target, because while some fans may be keeping careful track of such minutiae, the bulk of its audience is going to say "Waitaminute...Judgment Day was in 2003?! But I'm sitting in this theater in 2009!" Alternate timelines be damned, it'll confuse 'em and piss 'em off. Maybe T3 should have taken the MAX HEADROOM approach and claimed it was "twenty minutes into the future".
Another example: the fact that BLADE RUNNER's LA is set in 2019, giving it only nine years from now to build Tyrell's mile-high skyscraper complex and cultivate deadly clouds of acid rain doesn't wreck my enjoyment of the movie. Same thing goes for the heavily outdated 2001.
So, whatever arbitrary date is assigned, I can easily imagine a point depicted in SALVATION along the way to the "Future War". Skynet is marshaling its research and resources, but humanity is also bouncing back from near extinction, with a reasonable amount of leftover equipment (A10s, submarines, Ospreys, hueys, etc). If we were plotting this on a graph, its the point where humanity's offensive capability is BRIEFLY in the vicinity of Skynet's.
After this, however, the lines diverge radically in Skynet's favor: the aerial HKs in SALVATION were already on par with human controlled A10s, for example. The next generation were undoubtedly superior, wiping the skies clean of any remaining manned aircraft. Something similar probably happens at sea. This leaves the only option for humans a ground-bound hit-and-run insurgency, as witnessed in T1.
And I disagree that "no other machines have what you can call consciousness"...Skynet (as mentioned in T3...maybe I liked that movie more than I thought) is a "hive mind", not centralized but distributed. When the Resistance captures a hydrobot in SALVATION, it's mentioned that they immediately cut its link with Skynet. It's designed to still be viciously autonomous, but with the link in place, even such an apparently stupid creature would be able to spy on the humans quite effectively, its eyes and ears directly interfacing with Skynet's consciousness.
And finally, I don't understand why Cameron's TERMINATOR universe can't be every bit as open to other writers and creative input as STAR WARS, STAR TREK and THE MATRIX series (where other artists were actively courted and used). While I didn't care for the last STAR TREK, it's not because the Rodenberrys weren't involved; if the next one rocks my socks off, I could care less what its pedigree is.
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No movie or director is above criticism, but very few directors have put out as much quality work as Cameron. I have no problem with intelligent Avatar criticism, but it seems a lot of it is blind hatred. I think that even if the trailers don't interest you, the man deserves the benefit of the doubt. We've seen about 10 minutes of scattered clips in the near 3 hour movie. Being at Avatar day I can assure people the CGI and 3D is impeccable, and the few action scenes shown were excellent, as usual with Cameron. I realize the trailer is cut quick and shows a lot of "busy" scenes, but remember it's cut that way to appeal to the widest demographic. It's way too soon to judge the story or characters based on the main trailers, but some of the featurettes give us a good idea that the characterization and story structure will be top-notch, as is the norm in Camerons films. At the very least even the most jaded film fan should be excited for what is sure to be one of the best action films of the decade...I mean even if that's all Avatar had going for it (but it's really not even close), that should be enough to get people excited, or at least interested enough to spend 10 bucks and two hours of time. But as I said, knowing Cameron this film will warrant at least 3 viewings. Considering 3D and Imax and the vast amount of sci-fi geeks who will see this a bunch of times, the film should have no problem making back it's money.
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The only way I can see this movie failing is if the CGI sucks further into the movie. I think all the non-alien stuff as well as the main characters all look great, but the couple 2-3 second shots of crowds of the Navi have looked pretty terrible. I'm hoping those were just old renders and that everything looks great in the movie. We'll just have to wait and see.
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I didn't see it, but honestly that means fuck-all regarding the quality of the Avatar. Face it, Avatar is a risk, it's got one of the biggest budgets ever, and it's an unknown property. The movie could be a sci-fi Godfather, and FOX would still do this sort of promoting. They're just making sure everyone knows about it, I mean they've had exclusive trailers with Glee, and House, and probably more. The gung-ho marketing has nothing to do with the quality, it just a result of Avatars enormous budget.
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"Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End"? Because that is probably the most expensive film made by a studio in this century. Three Hundred Million fucking dollars! That's something like sixty-three million dollars OVER the reported "Avatar" budget.
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Wow! The narration by Sigourney Weaver makes it feel like Planet Earth. When the DVD comes out, maybe Cameron will include a longer feature describing Pandora's plant and animal life.
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Your estimate is a low-ball.
It was rumoured at like 220 mil back when it was supposed to come out in May. Factor in an additional year of rendering (super-expensive), not to mention all the R & D costs leading up to development that never get factored into these costs, and its well over 300 million. Marketsaw did a more detailed breakdown on their site if you're interested. -
I think i finally understand the 'Fucking your eyeballs' line I feel like the hottest girl in the room just rubbed up against me as she gave me her number
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was ridiculous in 'the core' .... mainly because that film is ridiculous but it turns out unobtainium is the generic name for any mineral which is extremely rare and valuable
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I am going to see it anyway, and hopefully I will be wrong. This would have worked better, if they had just put human actors in make-up.
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When shit like Watchmen, and Tarentino get a free pass every DAMN time! I don't get it. FUUUUUCK
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For 10 feet tall aliens that look nothing like their human counterparts? That would have been the most epic fail ever. The movie would have looked like Avatar: The story of Mystique
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"Unobtainium" is a generic descriptor for an ideal material that fits the needs of an engineering calculation. The moment such a material was discovered, it would be granted a more formal name.
This reminds me of one of the more groanworthy technobabble lines from a STAR TREK episode, when the ship encounters a "dark matter nebula". Dark matter is "dark" because its a complete unknown, other than its effects on surrounding bodies. The moment we find a form of "matter" fulfilling that role, it will be more formally designated (like gluons, muons, bosons, etc). Duh. -
Quite frankly, I find the vitriol astonishing. Has James Cameron offended you personally, somehow? Run over your dog, perhaps? Seriously, I really recommend you see it before your fling your monkey poo at the internetswebsgoogler.
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Hey fuck nuts, I don't think Dilithium Crystals are real, or Hyperdrive in Star Wars. Or going around the sun real fast and then you go back in time. WHAT THE FUCK!!
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There was nothing shit about WATCHMEN. It was done with respect and intelligence, and the fact that it stuck with an R rating in the face of diminished revenues shows how committed Snyder was to getting it right.
I realize there were fanboy fuckwits out there who don't understand shit about the limitations of screen adaptations (i.e. jettison superfluous subplots, like the whole "giant squid" sidestory) and want to play amateur critic on a story they only breezed through maybe once, but the real fans of the book recognize the love put into it. I think in years to come, as this generation ages and mellows, it'll finally get its due... -
I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't personally care whether Judgment Day is 8.29.97 or 2003, in fact I liked the little twist that despite t2's "no fate but what we make" mantra, t3 introduced a mantra where some things are destined to happen, i.e. Judgment Day. In that respect you could do a storyline where sarah connor is killed before John Connor is born to her, yet John Connor is still born anyway (to another set of parents, obviously) because he was destined to "be." Yeah that's kind of stretching the whole "skynet is developed from more than one person so dysen (spl?) doesn't necessarily have to be the one to create skynet" but it would be a nice twist. And no, I don't think the movie going public was thrown off by the dates. Also, as far as Terminator being open to interpretation, haven't you ever seen all the comics and even games based on the franchise, heq they even had a Robocop vs. Terminator. I think the difference here is that while george will never let anyone have star wars (understandably, cuz he might not want to be shown up) jim cam no longer has any "official" ties with the series post t2, so when a terminator fliq comes out and doesn't bake a given fan's cake, they'll always play the "well no $^&y it suqs, jim cam's not in charge" card. And also in your own words regarding other skynet machines having consciousness, "It's designed to still be viciously autonomous, but with the link in place, even such an apparently stupid creature would be able to spy on the humans quite effectively, its eyes and ears directly interfacing with Skynet's consciousness." That shows that while the machines HAVE THE CAPABILITY to think independently, it's disabled. That's like saying a person in a coma who, let's say, was a great employee at work while conscious, is still considered productive when they're in a coma. Just because that scorponok looking machine has the capability to think independently doesn't mean it should be counted with skynet and the 2 last t800's that arnold physically played as being "awake," because even if you did count all of skynet's hk's t700s etc, they would have to be considered "asleep." Speaking of which if I was totally off the mark on our little dialogue, forgive me it's currently 12:26 a.m. Pacific standard time as I type this.
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I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't personally care whether Judgment Day is 8.29.97 or 2003, in fact I liked the little twist that despite t2's "no fate but what we make" mantra, t3 introduced a mantra where some things are destined to happen, i.e. Judgment Day. In that respect you could do a storyline where sarah connor is killed before John Connor is born to her, yet John Connor is still born anyway (to another set of parents, obviously) because he was destined to "be." Yeah that's kind of stretching the whole "skynet is developed from more than one person so dysen (spl?) doesn't necessarily have to be the one to create skynet" but it would be a nice twist. And no, I don't think the movie going public was thrown off by the dates. Also, as far as Terminator being open to interpretation, haven't you ever seen all the comics and even games based on the franchise, heq they even had a Robocop vs. Terminator. I think the difference here is that while george will never let anyone have star wars (understandably, cuz he might not want to be shown up) jim cam no longer has any "official" ties with the series post t2, so when a terminator fliq comes out and doesn't bake a given fan's cake, they'll always play the "well no $^&y it suqs, jim cam's not in charge" card. And also in your own words regarding other skynet machines having consciousness, "It's designed to still be viciously autonomous, but with the link in place, even such an apparently stupid creature would be able to spy on the humans quite effectively, its eyes and ears directly interfacing with Skynet's consciousness." That shows that while the machines HAVE THE CAPABILITY to think independently, it's disabled. That's like saying a person in a coma who, let's say, was a great employee at work while conscious, is still considered productive when they're in a coma. Just because that scorponok looking machine has the capability to think independently doesn't mean it should be counted with skynet and the 2 last t800's that arnold physically played as being "awake," because even if you did count all of skynet's hk's t700s etc, they would have to be considered "asleep." Speaking of which if I was totally off the mark on our little dialogue, forgive me it's currently 12:26 a.m. Pacific standard time as I type this.
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It's funny you bring up Watchmen, because as I was reading about how you said it would confuse people that 2018 was 9 years away, 2001, etc, I was thinking about Watchmen taking place in an alternate 1980's and how the audience understood that this was the case, not that they missed out in history class that nixon was still in office then or something.
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Watchmen was a dull, lifeless, train wreck of a movie, but hey, you liked it. Yeah for you!
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"I Knew Avatar Would Be Great From The Start, And All You Naysayers Can Kiss My Black Ass" t-shirt?(I'll give you a hint: 11 more days).For what it's worth, I saw "Watchmen" in the theatre earlier this year, enjoyed it thoroughly, and with zero connection to the source material could realize how much care and diligence went into making it. Top-notch quality doesn't always connect with the masses.
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http://tinyurl.com/ylpedox (it's the making of a scene from fox movie channel) ... especially at minute 4:00 where you see the split screen comparsion of the motion capture from Zoe Saldana and the finally scene (where Neytiri confrontes Jake that he betrays her)
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I really don't get the hate.
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Unobtanium--as in Unobtainable(?), is just a ridiculous name for a mineral. This sort of thing happens when an artist or director surroundeds himself with Yes Men and Yes Women who refuse to tell him when he is messing-up. If I was working for James Cameron, and thought he would listen, I would have told him to change that name, that of the mineral. Further, I would have also told him that the CGI for the main aliens looks silly--but if James Cameron is the jerk some people say that he is, I can see the reason why they refused to stand-up and give a counter opinion. Why do that, and risk your job?
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Dec 07, 2009 3:05:52 AM CST
Amended--Unobtainium: Is One Of The Reasons For The Hate
by media messiah
Unobtainium--as in Unobtainable(?), is just a ridiculous name for a mineral. This sort of thing happens when an artist or director surrounds himself with Yes Men and Yes Women who refuse to tell him when he is messing-up. If I was working for James Cameron, and thought he would listen, I would have told him to change that name, that of the mineral. Further, I would have also told him that the CGI for the main aliens looks silly--but if James Cameron is the jerk some people say that he is, I can see the reason why they refused to stand-up and give a counter opinion. Why do that, and risk your job?
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I'm not giving that guy a pass!!!
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WATCHMEN is child's play compared to TERMINATOR's evolving timelines (if you don't believe me, here's an article dedicated to the subject: http://tinyurl.com/cyxwxh). WATCHMEN has a single point of departure (masked heroes and the coming of Dr. Manhattan) and no "loops".
As I said, however (and you're welcome to call it a cop-out) dates are superfluous. What matters is the course of events: Judgment Day, a brief "Cold War" period where Skynet and humanity skirmish and prepare (SALVATION) and then the Future War proper.
Also, there's no reason a machine can't be both networked and localized at once...in fact, you're staring at such a device. The mp3 program I'm listening to doesn't "go into a coma" because I briefly access Google. Microsoft-wise, such a thing hasn't happened since Windows 3.1. This is a formidable edge machines have over humans (who, unless you believe in telepathy [I don't] are incapable of directly networking with one another).
I agree with you about the "no Cameron, no peace" fans. Like it or not, he's through with the series and has moved on. If a person can't continue to follow the story due to his lack of involvement, it says more about their devotion as a fan than their reliability as a critic. -
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Seriously, they have just started showing tv spots in the UK, it looks worse and worse by the second!
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Who do you like ?
Personally am fans of both, unsuprisingly both now receive nerd rage from the likes of yourself, as they have been successful. Made great to brilliant movies and are now well known.
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I have to admit that I’ve went back and forth on Avatar but all the footage I’ve seen has convinced me that it will be an entertaining, if not transcendent, piece of Sci-fi cinema.
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Yay for me indeed. Unless you're prepared to deal in specifics as opposed to sweeping generalities, I perceive limited depth beneath the veneer of your critique. As it is, your assessment of Haley's performance in the movie on another TB was painfully superficial, saying he just "sits and stares".
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I don't see how anyone could pass up the opportunity to watch this in 3-D on IMAX. wtf? You call yourselves movie fans? This is what 3-D IMAX was invented for. THIS MOVIE!
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I would have fitted sections of the actors' bodies, say their mid torso sections and lower legs, with green slips. Using the slips as green screens, I'd matte in a smaller, almost skeletal mid-section for the aliens, the Na'Vi (spelling), and matte in a different structure for their lower limbs (perhaps a reverse angle of the normal bend that we have in our knees?)...and perhaps I'd matte-out their necks using the same technique, giving them smaller more stim like necks? This same technique was used to matte out Lt. Dan's legs in Forect Gump. Using it here, with real actors, and employing CGI to only enhance the special effects make-up...and thus, the acting performances, it would have helped the Na'Vi appear more real to the human eye...and hence the brain, as they would have set better into the frame of the camera, perception by the eye and brain being everything. Instead, the resulting work Cameron and crew have given us, just looks like video game level CGI from ten years ago. Where is the advancement in tech here? If James Cameron had used the technique I am suggesting, he would have saved this production, 300 million dollars in unnecessary motion capture and CGI costs!
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really unobtanium?
Is there really a needed for dumb and lazy writing, just that alone has sunk any hope i had for this film. I am gonna go down to ladbrokes and put a bet on that this will flop like a donkey's dick. -
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You always have the next McG, Abrams, Bay films to get excited about.Unobtanium was the metal used to create the ship in 'The Core'. No one cared then.It's quite clear from reading some of the replies here that you only have yourselves to blame for the state of Hollywood cinema.
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What a genius!!! In addition to his work creating the original Twilight Zone, simply the greatest series of all time, he came-up with the beginning, and the shocking ending, of The Planet of The Apes.
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In two-time oscar-winner and Karate Kid IV star Hillary Swank vehicle 'The Core'. It can be used to convert heat energy from the Earth's molten core into spaceship petrol or something and was invented by Delroy Lindo. It can also withstand a great big rotating laser. I don't know if anyone but me and James Cameron saw that one, but it is a right bobby dazzler. I bought it for about $6 from JB Hi-Fi and it has served me well on those drunken nights when you get back from the pub and want to watch something absolutely preposterous while you fall asleep. GO UNOBTANIUM!!!
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And they still don't!
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Dec 07, 2009 3:37:41 AM CST
LOL MCG TERMIATOR 4 BLURAY LIVE IS HILARIOUS
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
He's getting owned! I'm on my iphone and can't copy a proper link for shit just go to rottentomatoes headlines click on it and prepare to laugh your dick off!
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They should care, OK. That movie has things to say... Big things. If only people would listen but they won't!! Maybe if Avatar is as big a turd as The Core then no-one will remember the unobtanium there either.
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6:57: Question: how do you feel about making the horrible Charlie's Angels films?
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If you fucking morons bitching about Unobtanium actually watched it then you would realize that, as Cameron said, it’s not what the mineral is used for or what it’s called that’s important. What IS important is that it’s something that people are willing to invade/attack another culture in order to get it and how human history is replete with those stories whether it be North American colonists, diamond miners in Africa or oil prospectors in the Middle-East. The fact that Right Winger scum are attacking this move shows that they realize that the USA aren’t the good guys anymore, and now are acting as imperialist warmongers, and they can’t stand having a mirror shoved in their face revealing the black pit where their soul should be.
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7:15: Here's a tip that will go down in history from one of the film greats. "There's two elements that go into filmmaking. There's sound, and there's the picture."
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...but JC is great at staging and executing crisis situations. THE ABYSS, ALIENS, and TITANIC all rely heavily on desperate scenarios. "The crane is coming down!" "The compartment is filling with water!" "You've only got 5 minutes of air left!" "The station will explode in 5 minutes!" Etc., etc. If AVATAR is built on totally engrossing scenes like those, Jame Cameron have a winner.
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I mean, it's pretty and all. The CGI looks good, but the design of it is pretty unimaginative. All I've seen from it looks like something we have here on earth but in a different color and context.
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Dec 07, 2009 3:59:03 AM CST
Media Messiah, ROD SERLING IS MY PERSONAL JESUS AS WELL......
by tehcreepythinman
The Twilight Zone is the best TV show ever made!!!FACT!!! Serling’s genius was that he wanted everything to relate to the human condition. Look at The Lonely and its story about a man who actually learns to fall in love with a machine in the form of a woman. Despite Cameron’s love of hardware, his Sci-fi movies have displayed a similar focus on humanity and I believe Avatar is a love story set in the backdrop of colonial imperialism and how two people from even different species can connect on a level beyond what we perceive as reality. Now Cameron isn’t half the writer that Serling was but at least they are coming from the same place.
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YEAH
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Furan posted the address below...and he is correct, this is very impressive stuff. Cameron and crew should win the Academy Award for best Special Effects and I am sure one of their Technical Innovation Awards. Yes, I can nitpick, but the motion capture system that they created is true virtual filmmaking.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRp030CCviI
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James Cameron is a smart man. He could have brought space exploration to the masses as well as delighted science fiction fans by creating a plot grounded in the real world. Something that would show people, in this lifetime, what space exploration really might be like. Create a real sense of wonder and a satisfying feeling of "this could really happen". Instead he makes a film that again insults the audience's intelligence with Hollywood-style antimatter drives, almost magical materials and economics that don't make sense. Topped off with a blue Pocahontas... it's a pity.
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SAG, do you have like a red batphone that rings whenever an AVATAR thread is posted?!
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Simply the greatest Twilight Zone of all time. And yes, you are right about Cameron, that featurette that Furan posted reminded me of the reason why I like Cameron, he's as crazy as I am, but in a good way, respectively. Anyway, check-out Eye of The Beholder. PS: Just cut and paste the link in your net browser, but remove any space or spaces that may appear in the address before you hit the enter button on your computer keyboard or you will get an error message. http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/entertainment/watch/v6316436GQ6CawaR#
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I was going to write on how maybe the film will do that stuff you say and then I realised that there would be no point. Instead I am driving my anti-mattermobile over to my friend Na'than's place to watch some documentaries.
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I think I was nitpicking. I look forward to seeing them film.
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with an anti-imperialist view. To see decepticons attacking oil rigs and raping the Earth of it's energy resources to fuel war on Cybertron would've been so much better than the loud and stupid Bay movies which are basically Army recruitment videos with giant robots in them.
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We'll be standing in line behind the fuckheads that have spent months slamming it on talkbacks as well - trust.
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Watch a boring science documentary on the discovery channel. You want to see mind-blowing eye candy and trippy sci-fi effects, then watch Avatar.
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My legion of Core converts continues to grow! Now if I can only get people to recognise Piranha II for the work of art it is... Hang on... Whoa! Maybe Avatar will be a return to Piranha II form for JC!!
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Those scientists must be really idiots,for not having figured out that the alien planet they landed on,is in fact Earth or a version of Earth,since you know the native primitives there look exactly like humans and the ape humanoids speak freakin ENGLISH.
and ofc the native primitive female was hot,intelligent,clean,with makeup on her face,well-cut hair,and nο hairy at all,compared to the hairy,dirty,ugly,animal-like males.
yeah the hero cant fuck something who resembles a monkey,he needs something with a bit of more finesse and less hairs.
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For someone who is clearly capable of somewhat intelligent criticisms and arguments, the second you liken the CGI in Avatar to ten year old videogames you instantly lose almost all of your integrity. You then proceed to contradict yourself only a few posts down and call the technique they used to bring the CGI to life revolutionary. So what is it...a Playstation game, or revolutionary? It can't be both...sorry. If you can find a picture of any videogame, whether 10 years old, or 10 days old, that matches the level of this photo, I will bow down to you and admit you are completely right about everything...
http://tinyurl.com/yj5fkjd
Let's face it, this is James Cameron. He knows what he's doing, and he knows what it takes to make his film come to life. Like you said, the techniques he used are revolutionary, and the proof of that is on the movie. You can take a 300$ million dollar movie like Spider-Man 3 and be baffled as to where the money ended up, cause it certainly isn't on the screen. Then you can take the 250$ million dollar Avatar, and realize you'll never see something this expansive on the screen again, at least not for a longgggg time. Cameron deserves nothing but the utmost respect for tackling a completely original project with this scope, and from the looks of it, succeeding. -
I'm not thrilled by some of the design...but I've got tickets because you would have to be a major cunt on AssholeLives scale to not have been impressed by some of the clips out there...
The rollcall of fucktard douchebaggery here (did I ACTUALLY JUST READ someone critizing the level of professionalism of Sigourney's voice over?????...fuck that takes the wanker cake!)
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Seriously, those of you who are bitching about unobtainium are really not getting the point. It's a joke name that stuck...I'm sure the scientists gave it a scientific name, but what does that have to do with the movie? The name it's called by in the movie is perfectly fitting, and actually quite logical...one quick read up on the term is all it takes to see that.
It may be a shame to you Cucumber, but that's your problem. There's plenty of us here that are more than thrilled with the way Cameron's Avatar turned out. This was the movie he has always wanted to make, and this was the way he was gonna make it. There is no squandered opportunity, this is the way Avatar was meant to be. Just cause it doesn't appeal to you, or match the movie you had in your head, means jack shit. I'm not sure what your even arguing, because Avatar was never about space exploration. You can't hope a film to be something it was never going to be. The fact that all you see is a blue Pocahontas speaks volumes about yourself and your closed-minded opinions. In fact do yourself a favor, instead of seeing Avatar watch Pocahontas...I'm sure they will be identical frame for frame...moron. -
Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application. The name is a portmanteau derived from unobtainable + -ium (the suffix for a number of chemical elements). Variations include unobtanium and unattainium, with the same meaning.
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Dec 07, 2009 5:05:57 AM CST
Media Messiah, I HAVE EVERY TZ EPISODE COMMITTED TO MEMORY, ALSO
by tehcreepythinman
I’ve got all five seasons on DVD along with Marc Scott Zicree’s Twilight Zone Companion which is indispensible. Two other good books are Rod Serling : The Dreams and Nightmares of Life in the Twilight Zone by Joel Engel and Serling: The Rise and Twilight of Television's Last Angry Man by Gordon F. Sander. I’ve also got VHS and DVD copies of most of Serling’s TV work including Patters, Requiem for a Heavyweight and The Velvet Alley which are my favorites. The man was not only a genius but also a humanitarian and that shines through in his best work such as Walking Distance while he was also keenly aware of the horrors of human nature as displayed in The Monsters are Due on Maple Street. Ironically, my favorite episode of TZ is Nothing in the Dark, written by George Clayton Johnson and starring Gladys Cooper and Robert Redford. The ending of that episode makes me cry like a little bitch every time.
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whole argument falls apart regarding dialouge when you use A New Hope as your proof. Now, I love Star Wars, but the OT has some of the clunkiest, stuff no-one would ever say dialouge ever. As you in fact point out, it has a lot to do with the actors delivery the lines, and since none of us have seen the film, thats not something we can judge just yet, is it? And you are way off base with true lies, there is some very memorable lines and dialouge in that film, because a lot of its damn funny. Almost everthing from Paxton's sleazy salesman is gold imho. And Tom Arnold (who I hate) is actually funny!? And as Turd pointed out if True Lies is so unmemorable (and considering it is Camerons lesser film), why has it been copied so much (MI3, Mr and Mrs Smith etc..)?
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going?
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unobatanium is really taking the wanker cake is nt it? Sad that it has to be explained to some thats its an actual term used by real world scientists/engineers.....
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I wish he had made a sequel to that instead of spent decades and hundreds of millions of dollars on this live action Fern Gully.
So yeah I'm still a hater, but I have yet to see anything that sways me to a differing opinion.
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make me laugh....Based on the scriptment I would say its all scenes taken from the film. I doubt they would make footage purely for advertising purposes given what this sucker must ne costing per minute of footage. Now, who told you about my red phone!??
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Reviews will go something like this: "Visually stunning effects made obsolete by redundant, leaden human performances and a meandering script that strains to amaze but serves merely as a staging ground upon which to hang endless exposition and a near fatal overdose of CGI."
Although, having said that, the film will be amazing but Cameron must realise that in the 12 years he's been away - his audience have largely become panda-eyed Twilight fans being led by the Pied Piper of cynicism towards a super cool romantic teenage mass suicide episode with Pattinson's dour face overlooking the disaster. Good luck Mr Cameron - you're gonna need it to grab the attention of this particular generation of''youth''.
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does nt appeal to you, then it just doesnt. I have seen you posting at screenrant.com, that is you right?
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in all these years, but I understand why he has nt given world events of the last decade. It is kind of hard to parody and make fun of al the stuff that true lies did with all that has happened....
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people's minds with hate. NOT GOING TO WORK. Keep hating. My butt is the IMAX theater on opening night. BITCHES! hahaha.hate,hate,hate, hate, hate, hate, hate,
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Dec 07, 2009 5:23:34 AM CST
southafricanguy, IT'S GOING, OH IT'S GOING.......HOW ARE YOU?
by tehcreepythinman
It's cold outside Theres no kind of atmosphere It's freezing cold, more or less Let me fly far away from here Fun Fun Fun, in the Sun Sun Sun I want to lie, Shipwrecked in-comatose Drinking fresh mango juice Gold fish shows Standing on my toes Fun Fun Fun in the Sun Sun Sun Fun Fun Fun in the Sun Sun Sun
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I had no idea that Cameron's primary audience was 12 year old girls. You learn something new every day.
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Yeah its me.
Cameron has given cinema lovers so much over the years, that I believed he deserved the bennefit of the doubt, but I just cant get excited about this flick.
Terminator
Aliens
The Abyss
Terminator 2
True Lies
These are all amazing films, and I cant see Avatar going on that list as a cinematic classic like the others.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3lRl8HO9M about the technology the humans are using on pandora - especially look at the shot from 2:40 where stephen lang operates his amp suit like a boxer ... or tv spot 14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8EEJepfiY and here the final shot where the burning ship comes down behind the amp.
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takes the ice cube trays out of the freezer??
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Or just post? Seriously, it's like talking to a brick wall. Numerous people up above have explained the term 'unobtanium' and the origins of the word , yet every 1/2 hour we get a new dingbat posting about how dumb it is. Fucking robots.BTW, the term predates 'The Core' - as does Cameron's treatment where the word is used liberally.
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Dec 07, 2009 5:32:07 AM CST
The poor unsuspecting teen that goes in expecting Bayformers
by nerd rage
only to get his teeth kicked in by a real action sci-fi movie. "Holee sheeit wtf is dis! Ack! Sensory overloooooaaaad, God help me, I'm trippin balls!!!" I dare the haters to watch this in 3-D Imax and not shit themselves.
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...Death? That was truly great!!! And of course, "To Serve Man", that was another great one. I often listen to Marc Scott Zicree on Coast To Coast Live, as he is a semi-regular guest and a very brilliant guy. I love to hear his tales about Serling and his writing and production methods...as well as information about Serling as a husband and a father. Serling was a good, good man...another reason why I look-up to him as an inspiration.
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I have seen with my own eyes the true horror: A Twilight showing packed with 12 YEAR OLD BOYS - one of them was even crying at the end of the turgid NEW MOON. AVATAR will not work unless the 12-16 age group dig it. And all I'm saying is that 12-16 year olds are now obsessed with either A)Super-violent shootem-ups or B)Super-lame emo fantasy.
PS: This is a gross stereotyping of todays youth - but NEW MOON's box office gross has made me lose hope in humanity (far more so than illegal foreign wars or the collapse of freemarket capitalism).
Can you believe, there are kids out there who'd rather watch NEW MOON and TWILIGHT then Raiders Of The Lost ARk or the original Star Wars trilogy? Are the followers of Mormon-sex-fantasies going to grow up to become great film-makers? No - coz they'll probably be too busy jumping off cliffs whilst wating for 'some dreamy vampire-lover' to break their fall. Sad. -
George Lucas is sitting in front of a monitor with James Cameron – “Understand the procedure now James? Just drop a few hints of your project on websites and blogs and MySpace and Facebook and Twitter. Throw them a few crumbs of information but keep them in darkness and then...sit back and watch the patter.” “And this pattern is always the same George?” “With few variations...they pick the most dangerous enemy they can find...and it’s themselves. All we need do is sit back and watch”. “Then I take it this place, this Ain’t It Cool News, is not unique?” “By no means, their world is full of these websites…and we’ll go from one to the other and let them destroy themselves...one to the other…one to the other...one to the other...” The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and the frightened, thoughtless search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own: for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.
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Dec 07, 2009 5:49:19 AM CST
SHE'S PROBABLY STEALING THE MONEY TO PAY FOR AN ABORTION!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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The look of the film is still akin to 10 year old CGI and video games--and I standby that statement, and thus, my opinion has not changed one bit, however, when I say that Cameron has made breakthroughs, I am specifically talking about his production methods and directing technique as spawned by his use of the revolutionary virtual cameras he helped to invent. I have never seen anything like that before--a pre-existing virtual world (set) linked to a camera, one (the camera itself) that a director or cinematographer...can wave around in any direction and shoot angles on pre-shot motion capture images? That part of it is revolutionary, indeed, although the actual CGI imaging (meaning, the image resolution) is still dated, the tech itself...deserves an Oscar for innovation.
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I so cant wait for this!! IMAX 3D here we come!
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Dec 07, 2009 6:07:29 AM CST
MAN LIVES IN THE SUNLIT WORLD OF WHAT HE BELIEVE'S.....
by tehcreepythinman
To be reality. BUT, there is...unseen by most...an underworld. A place that is just as realy but not as brightly lit.......PANDORA!!!
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Rod's one of my person heroes. Unfortunately, all we have now are corporate-crap losers like Michael Bay and JJ Abrams...oh yes, and AVATAR! Which still looks totally ridiculous, as I may have mentioned earlier...
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to tell it like it is:
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I read the first half of TB, then gave up as was taking too long. So I move to the end and you two are still going at it lol. No winners yet? Could be time to get a room lol
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Most people haven't figured this out yet. The Charlton Heston character is not human, or at least, not human as we know it. You see, the movie as written by Rod Serling (although uncredited) is really suggesting that a pre-human civilization, one more advanced than ours, that was a space ferrying race...blew itself up somehow, perhaps in an ancient nuclear war? You see, if we follow the story of the movie, in the prologue, the astronauts, arrive here and find their own kind in chains and without a voice, and the beings who are now running things, are the Apes, using found tech from the dead past civilization, although the astronauts are not quite sure what the hell is going on yet--and for all they know, they are on a parallel planet--they don't know yet, and don't know why the tech is similar to their own.The reason the Apes keep talking about Forbidden Archeology...and the fact that it must be kept secret, is they fear the rise of the humans again. It really is a metaphor for fallen Gods. What would you do if you happened upon a being like that with the power of the atom...when you have enslaved their descendents? You'd probably be very afraid to let them go fearing retaliation. We are the Apes in this tale, not the humans, and that is what Rod Serling was trying to say--the is the real hidden twist that most people have yet to figure-out about that movie. The Statue of Liberty bit was just misdirection. Serling was trying to tell us something about a forgotten human history. You will recall talk of cultures like Atlantis, Lemuria, and even more ancient cultures that proceeded them? Well, just look at the Bible, there is a section that states that God told Adam and Eve to go forth and replenish the Earth? Well, shouldn't it say plenish the Earth, not replenish? And where did the people come from when Kane was forced out of Eden? He found a wife in another culture and mated? If Adam and Eve were the only humans here, besides their children, then where did the other humans come from? Serling was using Planet of The Apes to hint at that, and it is probably the reason why he was blacklisted in the industry? He violated a certain rule about discussing forbidden archeology...and what it points to.BTW, the Greeks, who were students of the Egyptians, actually quote the Egyptians as saying that Atlantis was real...and not a fable. Lastly, Forbidden Archeology is an actual term that many scientists use--it didn't come from the movie, although Serling used the term. Scientists have found strange things like ancient batteries...and an area of India where the desert has flat sheets of glass on it. Well, according to the scientific community, the only way you can get glass on the open ground is, 1) The impact of a meteor, 2) The impact of a comet...and 3) A nuclear detonation. Here's the problem for the first two explanations...the glass would appear like crushed ice. The only way you can get flat glass out on open terrain, that we know of, is from a nuclear explosion. BTW...this event is talked about in the Indian...Book of The Vedas. Oberheim quoted it when the first nuke was tested. "I Am The Destroyer of Worlds". What a coincidence? Hhhhhhmmm?
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The context it's used within the movie is all wrong...simply put, if you're designing a device that requires property a, dimensions b, weight c, and so forth, but no known compound or element presently suffices, it can be declared "unobtainium".
If you've actually located this highly desired compound or element or have turned it into a paperweight on Giovanni Ribisi's desk, then it's a known commodity and the term no longer suffices. Maybe you can call it "Obtainium".
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And I say that in my most sincere Leonard Nimoy voice. It's also less of a fantasy than anything Amanda Knox said during her trial.
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Well, you have to wonder why Oberheim would directly reference a passage from The Book of The Vedas as he was witnessing the first nuke explode? Clearly he knew something...and it wasn't fantasy--and that is what is so fascinating...and scary?
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...And you know what I hate the most about it? The thing that makes my fist wanna get all punchy? When these fruit loops get that ever-so-smug tone in their voice when you provide them with the rigorously proven, factual evidence. "Oh, but that's what they WANT you to think!" they say with that shit-eating grin. And they then proceed to lay "the real dope" on you via Alex Jones, David Icke, Lyndon Larouche or some other sleazy sideshow huckster with a half-dozen BUY GOLD! banner ads on his site and enough books, DVDs and subscription newsletters to put his fellow headcases in the poor house as evade medication and strive to keep up with "the ongoing conspiracy"...
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Wow, I wrote this film off the moment I saw that first trailer. Nothing since has convinced me that Avatar is anything more than a high budget cartoon with a Titanic plot. The Re-boot blue aliens just look stupid.
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No pretending pal. People care.
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From that bastion of knowledge, Wikipedia."Unobtainium is a facetious term for any extremely rare, costly, or physically impossible material needed to fulfill a given design for a given application. "The context of its use in Avatar has to do with the former two categories, nothing to do with it only existing in 'theory'.Also "The term has been used in science fiction for materials that have incredibly strong properties" and "Unobtainium can also refer to any substance that is necessary for the plot to work but does not exist in the universe as we know it, such as cavorite and dilithium". Again, both applicable to Avatar. Hint - it's a plot driving McGuffin. Once again, you are splitting hairs. Cameron has used the term correctly.Case closed.
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Dec 07, 2009 7:13:32 AM CST
Hey Cameron Haters HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Did you guys even comprehend what you were dissing???? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAAA. Please kindly piss off now with your tail between your legs and learn some fuckin humility....
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I'll be sure to take the director of Juno's opinion on board when it comes to 3D tech and big budget sci fi action. This is also the guy who proclaimed AvP to be a 'fun movie' as detailed by Series 7 in the Beaks top 25 talkback .
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Dec 07, 2009 7:18:53 AM CST
Re:The Secret Of The Planet Of The Apes? Jesus Christ
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Some people have too much fucking time on their hands. That was one of the dimmest pieces of bullshit I ever read. I know it's fun to get stoned and make up what-if's but for Fuck's sake Mediah Messiah get your head out of your ass.
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Dec 07, 2009 7:21:25 AM CST
Serling didn't just violate the rule about forbidden archeology
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
He took it out to his tool shed, plied it with sweets, slit it's throat and humped its neck. He's a neckfucker...He fucks necks..
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I'm sorry, I just don't care about this flick. I'm sure it will have megamillions in promotion but I see little new here and the CGI is pedestrian.
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Dec 07, 2009 7:22:41 AM CST
There are two types in this world. Conspiracy Theorists
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
and everyone else....
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'Beware the beast man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, for lust, for greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.'
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Dec 07, 2009 7:25:55 AM CST
tvspace....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
if you think the CGI is pedestrian, your either A.lying your ass off to get a bite. B. Blind. Totally without the capacity for rational thought and are lucky if you are not in adult diapers.
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Dec 07, 2009 7:27:53 AM CST
Dammit, missed C. Well I guess you win that round tvspace
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
but seriously dude, how do you type and breath at the same time????
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Dec 07, 2009 7:29:32 AM CST
Dammit, misspelled breathe...This is not going well
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
TROLLIN TROLLIN TROLLIN KEEP THEM DOGGIES TROLLIN. TROLLIN TROLLIN TROLLIN TROLLHIIIDDDEEEEEE!!!!!
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Dec 07, 2009 7:31:19 AM CST
Thats my feeding round done for the day...
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I usually bring enough for everyone but these trolls are hungry today.
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You tell 'im, dude. As we get closer and closer to release, the criticisms of Avatar become stupider and stupider. Grasping at the proverbial straws. They know they're fucked - Cameron has delivered another winner, and they'll have to skulk off and target the next big upcoming blockbuster to slate pre-release.
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I'm curious enough to illegally download it, but not enough to actually pay to see it.
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Love the retro sci fi feel of this and i really appreciate the artistry and imagination of this.Ill def be goin to see it in cinema.Nice on Jim.
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that kind of featurette, while not doing anything to heighten my desire to see the movie (already have my Midnight Madness tickets), speaks to my inner SF-geek who got into these kinds of books growing up.
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That video was fucking cool.
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All you idiots hating on Unobtanium -- who's to say in the movie it isn't given a more "scientific" name? Jesus Christ, get over yourselves.
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Perhaps, but I am smart enough to know that the contraction for "you are" is you're, not your.
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...what a bunch of losers.
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There was an industry screening of Avatar at the weekend, the word on the street is that the CG is FUCKING AMAZING - blows away anything done previously.
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I was having a piss poor night and I took it out on you. I apologize.
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Dec 07, 2009 10:07:41 AM CST
Jurrasic Park 1993 dinosaurs and everything in LOTR looked more
by director stan arthur
I really hate CG creatures when they look like this.
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Dec 07, 2009 10:09:57 AM CST
tvspace...you got me. I bow before your brilliance
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I'm drunk and already found mistakes in my posts before you helped me out. Your opinion however is worthless when 'you're' sober....
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Dec 07, 2009 10:12:01 AM CST
looked more better eh'? And I thought I was drunk...
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Or do we have another sober idiot?
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Where the fuck do these guys come from?
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Nice anti-conspiracy theorist rant. They have really been getting on my nerves recently - nice to see someone else still lives on planet earth.
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Videogame CGI from ten years ago??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You are clearly insane! And your methods wouldn't save Cameron costs, you'd just be adding make-up costs, time wasted in makeup and still requires tons of cgi and the EXACT SAME METHOD OF FACIAL PERFORMANCE CAPTURE to composite the Na'vi features on top of the human actors faces! So not only are you wasting time painting them blue when their faces are going to be comped out anyway! And on top of that, having the Na'vi perform and do the stunts they do will require photoreal CGI stand-ins anyway! You my friend don't really think about what the fuck you're saying. Performance Cap is why Avatar despite haivng groundbreaking FX still costs cheaper than Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of the Carribbean At World's End! Not only has Cameron revolutionized filmmaking, but he has also delivered the most spectacular CG characters, environments and lighting EVER!!! But in highly immersive stereoscopic 3-D! And all this under a decent budget that is par for the course for most Hollywood blockbusters! 10 year old videogame CGI... I'm still laughing at that! I want you to visit any credible CGI convention or forum or stand in front of any CGI expert and say that to their faces and see how long your credibility lasts! Hope that platform you're taking a stand on is high enough to break something when you fall on it's crumbling foundation.
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...I already have my 3D-glasses, too.:-D
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Please tell me I didn't miss Happy Pony, I don't want to miss Happy Pony!
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assholes who are fanatical about a movie that looks like it's going to permanently kill any chance of a decent blockbuster ever coming out of Hollywood ever again!
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really do stay home and avoid AVATAR. Because that means fewer mouth-breathing, cellphone-ringing, loud-talking ASSHOLE MOTHERFUCKERS spoiling my theater experience. Stay home, pukes, the rest of the world will be the better for it.
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I won't watch it in 3D.There, I said it.
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you fucking nailed it.Haters, stay the fuck out of my cinema!
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there is NO imagination to be found in ANYTHING I have seen about this movie. All of the alien lifeforms are poorly disguised versions of animals that you would find on earth (raptors, horses, rhinos, tigers), and let me point out again the fact that there is simply no way that life evolved on a planet in another star system would even REMOTELY resemble life on earth. The process of evolution would have to occur in exactly the same way that it did here on earth for there to be such obvious similarities in fauna(except for the possible exception of things like 2 eyes for binocular vision). You can find better examples of sci-fi worlds in just about any pulp novel you can find at the bookstore. And don't get me started on the Navi. Fucking stupid.
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I really enjoyed this mini-mockumentary. Now I have to go home and watch Planet Earth again. What a great series.
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If so, is it worth $60? Thanks in advance.
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"I'm curious enough to illegally download it, but not enough to actually pay to see it."A common thief, make your parents proud.
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Aren't there more important things to hate on? Cripes.
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Masterpiece or not, this looks every bit worth the price of admission - where few things in life are. Especially in 3D.
This looks to be a visual feast to be savored and enjoyed in the company of avid movie fans. To sit alone at home and watch a crap cam version - what would be the point of that? Might as well watch SyFy. -
...realy is a joke sometimes. The vile hate that comes from peoples mouths realy is laughable, its like a bunch of vampyres feeding on each others life force while masturbating and pleading that AVATAR is a pile of shit just so they can suck up some more life force while dreaming of death, death, DEATH!. Honestly if films like Citizen Kane, The Shawshank Redemption, Gone with the Wind etc came out today, at least 50% of the talkbacks would be filled with pure hate, what the fuck is wrong with you people!.
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Dec 07, 2009 2:31:47 PM CST
IRONHELIX - SCIENTIFICALLY YOU MAY HAVE A VALID POINT
by bringingsexyback
But then why would we bother watching ANY sci-fi? Name one sci-fi work that doesn't feature human(oid) characters. It's unfair to level such a charge to Avatar but not across the board to anything else.
Let's give Cameron the benefit of the doubt here - he and his crew have clearly poured their souls into this and it should be given a fair shake. No? -
If Ima gonna spends my money, ima gonna get my money's worth.
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Au contraire, fatass, it's the haters who are the fanatics here. The people looking forward to Avatar have a much better constructed case than any of the haters. Look at the facts:
1) Nobody has seen Avatar yet
2) The clips look at the very least to be interesting, and at the very most fucking fantastic
3) Avatar marks the return of one of the most uncompromising, talented and skilled action directors of all time
Bearing these things in mind, the absolute minimum one could ask for is for people to be cautiously optimistic. Being outright haters at this stage is sheer fanatic wankery. End of story. -
..."unobtanium" bashers are fucking idiots.
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I AM giving Cameron the benefit of the doubt by buying a ticket on opening night. I'm not going to lie and say that I won't see it. BUT, I was hoping against hope that one of my favorite directors could elevate sci-fi to a new level. So far, nothing I have seen indicates that, and even worse, it looks downright stupid. The Navi look absurd.
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Definitely, the FIRST time has to be IMAX 3-D.You never forget your "first"!
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I'll admit I have a problem with the dialogue I've heard so far. Knowing that, I'm going to go in with slightly muted expectations. And I'm looking forward to getting the video game and play as Na'vi. Right after I get through Ninja Gaiden 2 which is driving me absolutely insane.
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You're losing the argument. Do you know why?
Not because disliking Avatar is unreasonable... but because you're doing it UNREASONABLY. You can divide the talkback comments into haters and non-haters, and the 'hating' group will be far more emotional, illogical, immature, vulgar, and childish. You're posting low quality comments.
Just look at the above comments. Look at the number of times 'smurf' has been said. You're will never convince anybody of anything behaving like that. -
And please don't forget the unimaginative use of Papyrus Font on the One-Sheet. True Wankery.
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Accessing this site? At first I had trouble accessing this tb, and I figured $h&* got heated and it got deleted, then I tried aintitcool.com and still nothing until the past hour. Maybe the rain here in soCal had something to do with it, but I was able to look @ other sites on my phone. That's usually my routine, me looking @ this site and posting when an article bakes my cake, and the people around me thinking I'm actually cool enough to be texting that whole time. On the flip side, since I couldn't log on to aic I got to see twi-hards crying that their fliq fell to second place to the very fliq that's been second to new moon the past 2 weeks ;) man America really isn't ready for an asian to be a leading man, not even action hero, cuz I thought for sure ninja assassin would dethrone new moon, if not follow it a close second. Then again Rain is supposed to be the asian timberlake, so that prolly had something to do with ninja assassin not being a bigger splash. Anyway, back to the original topiq, despite me being on the fence on avatar, it's nice to see the skinny nerdy guy from dodgeball in a high budget movie; hope this translates to better roles for him, or maybe he'll be like fabrizio in titanic and not go anywhere :(
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Dec 07, 2009 2:45:18 PM CST
MORBIUS - DON'T FORGET THE VISINE WITH EXTRA LUBRICATION
by bringingsexyback
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Dec 07, 2009 2:47:21 PM CST
DID ANYONE CHECK FOR FABRIZIO AFTER THEY FILMED HIS DEMISE?
by bringingsexyback
Maybe they should've done a headcount after the scene.
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"2) The clips look at the very least to be interesting, and at the very most fucking fantastic
3) Avatar marks the return of one of the most uncompromising, talented and skilled action directors of all time"
These are both pure opinion, and it's entirely possible to know what a film will be like before seeing it. In fact, the trailers, TV spots are designed to help us decide whether we want to see said film or not. I was excited until the teaser and Avatar Day. Now, not so much...And perhaps you're right, it's (mostly) the craps over on the IMDB Avatar board who are totally hysterical as this point. Except that to change after the 18th, however. -
I had the same problem, took me two hours to log on. I think I may have missed the Happy Pony exclusive. *sigh*
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I don't think you have to worry about the haters doing all that annoying shtuff to disrupt your cinema going experience. The haters (that go see it) will probably be as glued to the screen as you are, but only to nitpiq and find ammo to shoot off on a tb. No, the people that will do that annoying stuff are the regular theatre goers who don't have a strongly positive/negative opinion either way. I know, because I live in an affluent area, yet a lot of these ghetto pieces of trash keep migrating to where me and my Meadowechlorians go watch features.
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I got the larger 'economy' size, and extra paper towels for these unfortunate people in my immidiate area that didn't come prepared.
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Or grandma's. I say Billy cuz he had a remote, but also grandma cuz not only does she think tv's are demoniq, but now that you can ffwd,rewind a live show she's convinced armageddon's coming ;)
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I'm bringing #2 pencils.
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Prolly Billy, cause grandma has that 'I don't give a fuck look on her face.
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Aintitcoolium. Product placement, and, frankly, it rolls off the tongue better than "unobtainium". Still, "unobtanium" is better than the original mineral name: Upsidaisium. I kid you not.
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Haha I'm just messing around. Watch, a main character's gonna get their hands on unobtainum, and at the end of the fliq after having en epiphany, is going to destroy/discard it, like Rose in Titanic did with that bigazz blue diamond.
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"Not because disliking Avatar is unreasonable... but because you're doing it UNREASONABLY. You can divide the talkback comments into haters and non-haters, and the 'hating' group will be far more emotional, illogical, immature, vulgar, and childish. You're posting low quality comments."
Actually, I see the opposite...there are people here (as with all the other AVATAR TBs) that are so *absolutely* positive that this film is a game changer, instant classic, blockbuster, etc. that they've taken to attacking anyone who has even a slight quibble with the movie (the usual epithet is "hater", no matter how substantiated or rigorously explained a person's remark or concern).
Really, they seem to be taking issue with a person's freedom of speech and expression...disturbing development.
"Just look at the above comments. Look at the number of times 'smurf' has been said. You're will never convince anybody of anything behaving like that."
LOL. "Smurf" has been used a total of five times, and only twice in a deprecating sense. Try again. -
"Once again, you are splitting hairs. Cameron has used the term correctly."
Highly debatable. In any case, it has all the subtlety of a fictional character who actually works at a "widget manufacturing facility", or a hero having to rescue a girl named "Miss MacGuffin". Unless you're writing satire, it's kind of a laughable usage of the term... -
YouTube Avatar review
http://tinyurl.com/ydwavjo
Avatar sounds fucking awesome!
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Nice try. People will just avoid your link because the first screening is supposed to be TOMORROW. Thanks for playing, remember to tip your bartender on the way out.
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...in a bar together, having this same conversation, surrounded by the general bar-going public. Can you picture it?
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You mean, wade through a sea made up of the flabby flesh of loudmouth male virgins?
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Dec 07, 2009 4:14:49 PM CST
NEW YORK WEBCAM, LOOK HOW NICE TIMES SQUARE LOOKS.....
by tehcreepythinman
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/
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Dec 07, 2009 4:16:33 PM CST
That Na'vi is the sexiest tomboy bean-pole on the planet(s moon)
by lightninbolt
Excited about the adventure and slow process of submersion into the world.
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http://tinyurl.com/yb6ujal
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...oh well, at least I have!
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...those are opinions, but so are the notions that The Empire Strikes Back and Raging Bull are good movies. There's a point where consensus on certain matters reaches such an overwhelming majority that it begins to look a little nutty to harbor the opposite opinion. Sure, they may have a point, but they're going to have to bring some major arguments to make any kind of headway. As it is, the haters here are for the most part braying, attention-whoring jackasses.
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"In any case, it has all the subtlety of a fictional character who actually works at a "widget manufacturing facility", or a hero having to rescue a girl named "Miss MacGuffin". Unless you're writing satire, it's kind of a laughable usage of the term..."The substance isn't actually called 'unobtanium', you know. This is an informal joke name, a colloquialism that the miners on Pandora have christened it. This is explained in the script treatment.As I said, grasping at straws.
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Makes him pich a tent for the na'vi? Or maybe he already had a thing for blue giraffes with mullets? All kidding aside, obviously not only does sam have a respect for their culture but a boner for that one na'vi, I just wanna know if it's because of his avatar's biology or his own preference.
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IMPOSSIBILIUM. Now THAT was stupid.
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No surprise that we tend to be curt and impatient with the numerous dickheads frequenting this site. To be told for months on end that we're idiots for looking forward to this movie, when it is clear that the haters have known very little, and still know very little, about the movie, and have deluged these TB's with spiteful and ignorant bile, tends to get one's back up a tad. It's not just Avatar, of course. That is merely the most high profile example. But the Great Unwashed of 'fandom' have digressed into an increaingly pathetic and negative bunch of knuckle dragging neanderthals for far too long, and some of us feel we have increasingly little in common with them, if indeed we ever did. Excuse us for not submerging ourselves in the cesspool of cynicism.
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Dec 07, 2009 4:46:05 PM CST
As somebody who DID use "Smurf" in a negative way ...
by i_am_not_henry_silva
I will give James Cameron full marks for at least trying to create a "new" property. It is refreshing to see in these days of sequels and remakes. I still find the aliens and the floaty mountains to be ridiculous, but that's just my own opinion. Nothing to argue about. Again: he's no fool. I'm sure more people will think it looks exciting and cool. Just a question of taste.
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dialog is correct in a technical/computer setting. dialogue is correct when you're talking about, well, dialogue.online dictionaries require a little more thought, not just copy and paste.I like the double paste at the end there for emphasis. makes it all the more chuckle-worthy since you're wrong.I leave you with your regularly scheduled bickering...
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But Admiral Fishhead (Ackbar) from planet Piscene, that was some cool shit....
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It looks to much like the place it was filmed, Hawaii. When I go into a hardcore Scifi film, I want to taken to a completely different time and place. And creatures look very rubbery and low budget. I'll still reserve my final judgement until after I see the film.
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All these internet defenders of Avatar (whatever you want to call them collectively) are getting upset and saying, "Why all the hate? Why does it mean so much to you? Why are you gunning for Avatar?" etc.
And, it's actually an interesting question. I thought about it for a minute and then realized, Because it pisses me off! The whole thing irritates me, because it's insulting and intrusive, and manipulates my geek goodwill. I mean, look at the whole Star Trek "h8trz" vs. fans thing that happened around the J. J. Abrams movie, where the whole point turned out to be that Star Trek matters, you know? That it's culturally significant, a beloved set of ideas and images and stories that happen to be a corporate property.
I mean, you can't have it both ways, you know? If they expect us to be like some kind of fucking Pavlovian dogs and go bananas over the big movies (and legitimately mean it) then we should also be legitimately entitled to be disappointed, irritated, and condescended to when appropriate. To the same degree I was excited about [fill in the blank: The Fellowship of the Ring, Watchmen, The Dark Knight, Casino Royale, Star Trek etc.) beforehad, I'm totally allowed to be pissed off by Avatar in the same way, to the same degree, just as prematurely. -
at the perplexed girl at the register as she did a quick mental checklist;...making sure she had everthing needed. "Tape, plastic sheeting, clear fabric glue...." Yes...it was all there. She felt giddy...warm..., it had been far too long since an event like this, at least since the last Lord of The Rings Movie came out, and her body and soul craved what was ahead. Deborah exited the store, threw the contents of her latest shopping spree into the back of her 1996 Dodge Neon and sped off into the Los Angeles afternoon...a head full of ideas, and a screening pass to Avatar in her purse. Her apartment was small, but situated as it was on the outskirts of West Hollywood it was all but perfect for the needs of single 38yr old assistant dog groomer at PetSmart and self professed Sci-Fi/Fantsy geek. OPening the door, two rather large siamese cats brushed her leg as she walked in.."Frodo...Sam...you are SO lucky you already have fur, I'd hate to have to make you up for tonight" she said..pulling several liter bottles of Sky Blue fabic dye from a large bag..."But just a few minutes in the tub is all it will take for my babies" she cooed to them; "but me...thats another story". Everything she needed was right here,...on the wall some "Pixie" ears from last months Pasadena RenFaire, on the floor of the cluttered room, a bandolier from that time she dressed as a bounty hunter for Anime-Expo 2006, and here in the bag, her latest aquisition...a rather large strap on dildo that would lend it function and form as the crowning glory of her greatest creation yet..a "Na'vi". Deborah felt a surge of anticipation looking at it...she was sure it would work.."it HAD to" she thought, but the reality of her design was striking home..."If ONLY I had a real one..I would not have to go to these lengths...", "but as I don't...anything for the art of CosPlay and the furry movement" she mused...and with that she set to work on her gift to James Cameron...and all who would see her at the screening later this night.Deborah worked quickly, as she only had a few hours till the screening; She rapidly stripped down and inverting the strap on harness attached a long blue spiked tail she herself had made from some garden hose and blue silk to the backside of the dong...to her relief the glue and stiching held fast, "this sucker is NOT coming off" she thought. She stepped into the harness...it's large hard member poised at her rectum, and standing by the mirror in the corner of the room, and taking a deep breath, began to ease the large rubbery shaft of her home made tail into herself. It took time...and it was painful at first, as it was far larger than the Otter Pops she was used too, but it had to be if this was going to work. After 15 minutes of hard work it was in; Deborah looked into the mirror and was proud of her creation, even more so when her muscles tighted from the large intruder inside her and the homemade appendage twitched ever so slightly. "Oh Yes" she breathlessly said..."it works!" Deborah had some remorse the diet had not yet done it's magic...but she was proud she had eliminated the Bon Bons; knocking her weight down to a record low of 195, "if only the film had come out next summer" she mused as she spread the plastic sheeting on the floor. She poured the contents of the fabric dye out...making sure the plastic was fully covered with it and picked up a large garbage bag. "Two months of trimming Poodles" she thought, "Two months of sneaking out clipped fur...but this will soooo be worth it!" and with a smile she flung the Poodle fur onto the paint soaked plastic. The fur quickly soaked up the fabric dye, faster than Deborah had thought it would...but that was all for the better she thought as she began to cover herself in the spirit gum she had bought back in October..."This...Will...Be...So...COOL" she said to her cats, now perched on top a sofa, watching in amusement as Deborah fell to to the ground and began rolling back and forth over the blue dye drenched poodle clippings, lifting each large pendulant breast to make sure the fur and dye covered even the most hidden bits of her milky flesh. She stood...looked in the mirror...and staring back at her was a Na'vi...she felt whole, the fur, the tail...she had never felt more complete. "I'm sure to be the best dressed!" she though, taking a hair dryer to dry the paint and fur, completing the transformation...."with any luck I'll make entertainment tonight...and maybe even meet the guys from AICN!" Two hours later...a Dodge Neon sped towards the cinema...two blue cats huddled in the rear window...a blue spiked tail stuck from under the drivers door as a large blue woman was singing "My Heart will Go On"; the world would soon be introduced to true Avatar fandom; and no longer would Star Wars fetishists seem so strange.
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Yeah, except that the people you're describing are an extreme minority of the haters. Most of them just revel in the smell of their own shit. The fact is ANYBODY can tear a movie apart based on a trailer or a behind-the-scenes clip. It's the easiest thing in the world to take something out of context and lambaste it. You give me an example of any trailer, and I mean ANY trailer, ever devised and I'll bet you a thousand dollars I can pick it apart inna talkbacker stylee whether I actually liked the movie or not.
The hater phenomenon isn't just limited to Avatar. As soon as any high-profile movie rolls around, a certain type of talkbacker will scramble to be the first to come up with some pithy, derogatory catchphrase which they will then beat into the ground during the months preceding a film's release. It's sheer and cynical attention-whoring.
Here's a little test which amply illustrates the nature of the beast:
Go to any talkback preceding the release of a high-profile movie. Take note of the loudest and most nit-picky of the haters. Now go to any talkback after the film's release if it's been successful and see how many of those talkbackers still remain. Most knee-jerk haters vanish or get new usernames in order to avoid facing up to their shit. Sure, there are a few diehards, but most simply evaporate. Why? Because being a hating, dime-store satirist is easy when obscurity is so easily attained if it turns out you were wrong about a movie.
By the same token most talkbackers who were optimistic or cautiously excited over a project will admit to being wrong if a movie sucks balls. One tends to see them stick around even long after they've been proven wrong about something. Nobody defended Indy 4 more than I did before it opened. I was involved in numerous grueling flame wars over that movie. When I finally saw Indy 4 and fucking HATED it, I readily admitted that I had been wrong about the project.
Cynics don't give a shit. This is the basic difference. The worst part is that talkback is starting to affect me as a movie geek. I've spoken to others who feel the same way. Sometimes when we go see movies it's like there's a small silhouetted group of haters sitting in the back of our heads making snide remarks about the film. It's annoying as hell and something one has to actively shake off sometimes. As much as I love talkback I also loathe it for its cloying and insidious cynicism. -
The jungle environments in Avatar were not filmed in Hawaii, they are entirely virtual (and photo-real to boot). Ditto creatures, who are also entirely CG.Fuck's sake...
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Now THAT'S how you do cynicism! Funny, funny shit as always, conspiracy, you glorious bastard.
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Dec 07, 2009 5:54:52 PM CST
Conspiracy, that's just pornographic filth
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Shame on you, young man.
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If artist Roger Dean doesn't get a screen credit there is no justice in this world.
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...is the substance they used inside of Sigourney Weaver's breasticles.
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as always Cameron makes a big Movie, and whether you 'like' it or not--it's going to be impressive to watch, at the least. I like the fact you (kinda) see some giant Robots in it, too.
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And low budget to boot! Why wasn't I told this before I bought opening day tickets?
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How goes it buddy? Still on the lookout for GIANT ROBOTS I see.
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...I was hoping that some of the alternate topics of conversation would have continued. But since we're back to the circular circle-jerk covering topics that had been talked out months ago, I'ma leave this one alone. Three things in parting. First, Conan The Barbarian! Second, Cerebus! lol Third, all you people who think unobtainium is so ridiculous should do some research on how things like minerals, planets (as well as pretty much any object "found" in space) and dinosaurs get their names. A lot of them are really quite comical.
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Dec 07, 2009 6:42:02 PM CST
DocPazuzu, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS PLACE......
by tehcreepythinman
I love coming here because it’s a laugh but the outright uninformed hatred of things for no good reason wears me down sometimes. I’ve waged many a flamewar against various movies but, when I do, I explain my reasons for such hatred unlike some of the trolls who endlessly talk shit about everything. Because of AICN, I avoided two movies that I ended up loving, Speed Racer and Land of the Lost, when they were released because of the massive amount of shit that the fucking cunts here were spewing in their direction, undeservedly so IMHO. The thing that galls me is just how desperate these people are to trash this movie when Cameron has a pretty solid track record. This isn’t Lucas, never the best Writer or Director, who disappeared for 22 years between Star Wars and TPM. From his perceived “arrogance” to the CGI to the names of the creatures/planets/minerals to the cost of the movie to BLAH BLAH BLAH etc….It’s really pathetic. This isn’t like dumping on Michael Bay or McG because THEY ARE incompetent hacks that make badly written garbage aimed at 12 year old retards. Cameron might make action films but he is excellent at doing so and has made three all time great Sci-fi Action movies with The Terminator, Aliens and Terminator 2. Even Cameron’s “failures” (The Abyss, True Lies and Titanic) are better then most Directors best films. On Dec 18th I’ll know if it’s a good movie or not and these worthless fucking losers won’t keep me from seeing it.
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...you all are STILL going on about "unobtainium?" Look, I originally got in on this argument, but even I wasn't this nutso about it. I mean, it's just a word. It's not THAT big a deal. Seriously, wow.Oh, and PS for the numbnut scientists who came up with that in the first place... you suck at naming things.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt_7_2hpANo
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in my opinion is that now having seen two trailers for it I'm pretty sure I can tell you exactly what the plot is, what motivates each character and how it'll end. However epic the scope of movie is, it still seems to have all the usual tropes and cliches. And I bet I'm not alone, in fact I guarantee that EVERYONE posting here would also be able to write out the plot of this movie based on nothing but the trailers and it'll be 80-90% accurate. The fact the the Macguffin is called Unobtanium is irrelevant, this movie has no new story to tell.
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Haven't heard that complaint before! 0_o
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Thanks man, that was nice."MATT DAMON"
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We're talking about a movie with trailers describing it as "The Greatest Adventure of All Time." That kind of hubris DESERVES a backlash, I say!
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it is that you guys talk about how the "haters" are losers, assholes, clueless fucks ETC, ETC, so on and so on...and yet you give them SO much POWER? You claim they RUIN the experience of watching the movie for you, because you hear their VOICES in your HEAD? This clueless group of worthless assholes has PREVENTED you from seeing movies you wanted to see?! My God, how powerful they must be!! Could it be that, gasp, some people who hate a particular movie can write or say whatever they want on the internet, without it ruining your movie-going experience? I certainly never give any heed to what anyone online has to say about movies, (or almost anything). Could it be that your reaction to some random blathering on the internet is disproportionate to the reality of the situation? Because really, people who take disses of a movie as a personal insult just need to relax, and stop hyperventilating because not everyone wants to put their tounge up James Cameron's tuchus. BTW, for the past few years the increasing trend on the internet seems to be that anyone who has anything derogatory to say is either a "moron" or a "troll"...heard that before AVP-R, Crystal Skull, and Star Trek. Yep, people dissing those films were really morons and trolls. If ever AICN needed an eyeroll icon, it's now.
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Is a tag line... or whatever you call it. It's been attached to A THOUSAND MOVIES! lol
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You are aware it's quite cynical to complain about people who are "too cynical" right?
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I am a hater. Fear me.
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Nothing else on the horizon looks even remotely comparable.
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In the trailer it goes for 20M, but on one of the websites that tells you all about the company everyone is working for etc... when you scroll down to the the part that explains what Unobtainium is, it says it goes for 40M a kilo. I know, so what.
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...unfathomanium.... or uncountanium.
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At first I was really excited for this movie, after reading all of the "AVATAR IS GOING TO FUCK OUR EYEBALLS" shit back when. But then I saw the trailer, and like many other "haters", instantly deflated. This is what was going to "fuck our eyeballs"? It looks like a cross between a live-action Ferngully and Final Fantasy: the Spirits Within (please don't give up on me, this was only my initial reaction). Hmmmm. But whatever, I might not see it opening weekend as originally planned, but I'll still give it a chance. I've found myself pleasantly surprised when I've walked into theaters with low expectations in the past, so who knows?
But forgive me if I can understand a bit why there are "haters" here... although a few might go a bit far, we were disappointed. I get that. What is completely beyond my comprehension though are the extreme "apologists" claiming it's going to be epic, best picture, etc. I mean, you know just as much about this movie as we do. You saw the same trailers, the same featurettes. You haven't seen it in its entirety, either. It's one thing to be excited about a movie, but to devote this much time defending it against the "haters"? I'm just hoping for your sake that it doesn't disappoint you like the trailer(s) did us. And I'm hoping for Cameron's sake that people don't stay away in droves. Sure, all this stuff being discussed here (the unobtainium, the floating mountains, etc.) is all geek catnip (pun only slightly intended). But it might turn off a good portion of the movie-going crowd. Either way, I'm really interested to see how the numbers look. Though I doubt I personally am actually going to like the movie, I would LOVE to see it make HUGE buck. This generation is in dire need of a good sci-fi epic to spark the imagination once more. If Avatar can pull that off, it's worth it. -
Insane in the brainium
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Well said, sir.
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Dec 07, 2009 8:39:18 PM CST
And one final thought about this retareded debate:
by fa_tass_dinomolester
The apologists are comparatively much more fucking obnoxious than the so-called haters: the haters attack the movie, the apologists attacks the haters. And go on about how the haters are "vile cunts". What a bunch of un-self actualized uber-putzes!
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Christ, talk about the worst possible time for a spelling error...
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Apoligonium cuntonium hateronium...ers!
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Didn't even noticonium itonium until you pointedoniumed it outium.
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And one guy tells the same story sooo much better than the other. That guy is Cameron, only difference is it's an action movie and not a joke. It's all about the telling of the story. And he's not writing dialogue for a small group of wordsmiths, it's written to be understood on a global scale.
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There is no way this movie can live up to the hype. I'm a big fan of eco-morality plays from "Silent Running" to "Wall-E". But JC's emphasis seems more on tech than plot and dialog. ("I had a hole blown thru my life? yecch) I hope I'll be pleased when I see it(certainly I'll be stoned) but eye candy does not a classic make.
It is plot and dialog.
See the classic Conan line:
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!
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Dec 07, 2009 8:51:12 PM CST
This movie was filmed in Hawaii you fucking moron. GOOGLE IT
by ganymede3001
I hate it when a motherfucker tries to call me out and he's wrong as fuck on all counts.
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Ignoring the uneducated and uninterested in being educated fixated on the perfectly reasonable and common usage name "Unobtainium," I thought this featurette looked great. It even gave me sense of where Pandora is located, which is in the Alpha Centauri system. Which, if you google it, is exactly where Cameron says it will be.
Which is fucking great. Reality often offers so much more than fiction. This is what hard science fiction is and always has been. Instead of "in a galaxy far far away," this is "in a solar system exactly 4.3 light years away." I love the fact Cameron has done so much research and will introduce us to his dramatically educated guess.
I can understand why Scarywaitress and others are having such a hard time: they haven't read much about and aren't even used to dealing with reality. They claim that Unobtainium, despite its common English scientific usage, is stupid. Yet Adamantium, which has no basis whatsoever in science or reality, is what... cool?
Ok. I get it now.
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So a corporate head is using a miner's slang term when he's trying to emphasize the importance of the mission to Grace? That's a bit like imagining Bill Gates lecturing an underling about the importance of "Wind-blows 95"! LMAO.
I'll let this topic die, but cripes...how easy to just make up a name instead of incorrectly co-opting an existing piece of jargon?
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THERES STILL TIME, WHATS ANOTHER 30 MILLION ON TOP OF 1/2 A BIL?
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Meshuganite is a stupid idea, BurnHollywood.
Why not BurnHollywoodite? How about CherryKoolAidite? How about JonasBrothersite?
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ARE YOU SERIOUS? LMAO
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maybe, a long shot, definitely, but I still think I'm right.
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How old are you again, Spazatronik2000? Oh, that's right. Sorry. Forgot that you're one of the braindead.
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LOL I GUARANTEE THAT IM SMARTER THAN YOU SO THANKS FOR THE LOLZ AND ROFLCOPTERS X10
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THEY LET YOU SURF THE NET WHILE TAKING DRIVE THRU ORDERS? LMAO
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CAN I GET SOME JALEPENO POPPERS AND A WHOPPER WITH CHEESE? THANKS BUD!
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some are disappointed by the design of the alien. i get it. some are disappointed that after 12 years, cameron has only dances with smurf to show for it. i get it. to those crowd i say, see the movie first. i share your disappointment EXACTLY but i'm willing to be optimistic and give cameron's the benefit of the doubt. he's more than earned it with his solid track record.
and then, there's this second kind of haters. the trolls. they spewed out inane comments like cameron punched sarah connor in the face or some such, they keep making the same smufrs joke like it's ever funny to begin with, they act like they know shit about filmmaking(oh it's the dialogue! oh he's just not as good as kubrick so he must be suck!) when they dont know shit. these are the kind thayt want to see the film fail JUST BECAUSE they have no life and are jealous of successful people. their sole purpose hanging around here is to be contrarian and to talk shit and aggravate people. they are losers of the highest caliber and deserve all the bashing they can get. -
HOWS THE MAGICAL CLOUD SURFIN BUDDY? SEE ANY CUTE RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS UP THERE? NO WONDER YOU DEFEND AVATARD. YOUR BALLS HAVENT DROPPED YET. AND NO ONE IS GOING TO READ YOUR THESIS ON INTERNET TROLLS. ITS BORING, I GIVE IT A C-. YOU CAN DO SOME EXTRA CREDIT TO MAKE UP FOR IT. WRITE A STORY ABOUT THE TIME YOUR DAD CAUGHT YOU PLAYING WITH YOUR SISTERS DOLLHOUSE WEARING A LEOTARD.
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Relaxonium. It ain't this seriousonium. You knowium?
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You've written all you need to write, Spazatronik, to keep yourself entertained. Hope it's working for you.
As for the rest of us, not so much.
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it's attention they crave. give them none. just ignore them.
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That's my plan as well. We have so much power in that regard. We really need to start using it appropriately.
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Dec 07, 2009 9:54:03 PM CST
Fa_Tass_DinoMolester, IT WASN'T THAT I WAS DYING TO SEE.....
by tehcreepythinman
Speed Racer or Land of the Lost. I thought the trailers were decidedly meh and I had no connection to the material that they were based on. So I came here to gauge reaction towards the movies and when 90% of the fucking cunts on this site say that a movie sucks then I tend to believe it. Going to a theatre is such a wretched experience these days that I have to determine whether or not it’s worthwhile to see anything at the local scumatorium. Rotten Tomatoes is a fairly decent indicator but they’ve also steered me wrong more then a few times. You can’t even trust the people who run this fucking website to tell you the truth as in evidence of their glowing reviews of G.I. Joe. I can’t afford to throw good money down on everything that comes out otherwise I would so I need as much info as I can before deciding which movies are worth my time and coin.
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Hey Doc, I just wanted to say I understand how AICN trolls can sometimes bring the lowest common denominator for you down even lower than you ever thought possible. And I understand how they sometimes influence your sense of the film as you're watching it in the theater.
Here's something to help you sort it out: would you listen to a group of guffawing, french fry-munching douchebags outside a 7-11 if they told you what they thought of a film? Probably not, right? You might listen but not seriously.
This is how to conceive of trolls. Movies that trolls hate I tend to enjoy much, much more because I know how little their opinion actually means in the grand scheme of things. They're losers, pure simple. Would you take a loser seriously if you met him or her in real life? The answer is no. You wouldn't.
Therefore don't worry about it. The monkey menagerie makes sounds and stinks up the cage, but they don't run the zoo.
Hehe. Keep using your brain and enjoy the films you like. Just like most of the people on this site. -
I hear that's itchy.
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Anyone who thinks this movie will flop has brain damage.
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IF THAT WERE TRUE THEY WOULDNT HAVE UNBANNED ME. i AM ONE OF THE TOP COMMENTATORS ON THIS AVATARD FIASCO. IM PRETTY FUNNY IN FACT YOUR GIRLFRIEND WOULD PROBABLY CHEAT ON YOU WITH ME IM THAT GOOD
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then made a stupid movie.
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This was supposed to be about the featurette, right?
I thought it was incredible. I loved the attention to detail, the careful thought about the ecology of the (alien) world, and (as I'm sure was intentional) the narration by Sigourney Weaver made me feel like I was listening to her narrate the "Planet Earth" series I watched last year.
Haters be damned, I thought it was quite impressive, wholly entertaining, and has me excited to see the movie.
I'm not a hater nor apologist...I'm a fan of movies (and sci-fi, in particular) and the more I see on Avatar the more I'm getting kind of ramped up for it.
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J. Robert Oppenheimer is the nuclear scientist associated with the Vedas of which you refer.
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Stop watching all this promo crap guys, by the time the movie is out you will have seen all the money shots.
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to sell its story.
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I agree about her breasts, perfect. I saw Conan in theater as a kid and I still say it's Ahnolds best film. If Hollywood ever tries to remake this film I say we band together and do dark things...
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Funny, BBC's Planet Earth was even playing in the background when I clicked on the link. The tone in her voice is even the same tone as she delivers the narration, just as she does in PE.
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That was an Omen, buy your tickets NOW, or be DOOMED for all eternity!
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LOL! "Read some science"? You're complimenting Cameron's "science" in this film when I've yet to find anyone on this site who can explain to me how the company in this film is making any money shipping "unobtainium" worth millions of dollars per KILOGRAM back to Earth when the antimatter fuel on the Prometheus is presently valued at trillions of dollars per GRAM...even with a million-fold price decrease between now and the movie's fictional future, they're losing an insane amount of money.
While you're pondering that little conundrum, do yourself a favor and look up the word "meshugana" (hint: it's Yiddish). I heard an audible WHOOSH when that one flew over your head... -
Dec 08, 2009 12:39:06 AM CST
To the guy who says that says alien life should not be similar t
by gordosan#1
I have to ask what that assumption is based on? If life evolves here from simple organisms and have all evolved because they are successful, then why should similar organisms not survive and be successful in a similar atmosphere? (even one with higher amonia levels)
I just watched a show on rare animals and there was an Australian mole. Well, it looked just like a mole and it had very similar features, including size, shape, nose, type of claws, etc. The only problem is that this animal is a marsupial, so it has no relation to the mole whatsoever. It is related to the freaking kangaroo, but not the animal that it looks and acts nearly identical to. Why? because life found a way for the same reason. -
Sometimes my dyslexia gets the better of me, still the facts are still the same. You'll notice that Lucas and Spielberg used the same quote in the last Indiana Jones film. By the way, I gave an edited quote. That is a shorter version of the full quote.
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"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
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"I am become Death, the shatterer of Worlds". From the Bhagavad Gita; chapter 11, verse 32.
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Dr. Who Christmas special, my ass.
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It s very interesting that the media does not give the full an accurate translation? Thank you for giving the full quote!!!
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Yeah, I am, too. Just not crap ones.So, you know...fuck off, morons.
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Too bad your idea of a good movie is some weak ass art house shit film that 10 people saw.
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"antimatter fuel on the Prometheus is presently valued at trillions of dollars per GRAM"
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Don't feed the troll.
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The creatures look like regular, synthetic Monsters Inc creations. They don't convince me that I'm looking at something solid and real.
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it's in 3D! Its the first actual, big-budget decent movie to come out of this new 3D thing. I will snort unobtanium if it means not having to go watch some fucking plucky, anthropomorphic animals engage in some G-rated hijinks just to see a 3D movie. Maybe its just me, though.
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i cant see why people have a problem with this, but then again is AICNs.. like you said this is not only a big fuck off budget sci-fi flick from JC its also in non gimmicky 3D.. i mean what the fuck isnt there to like about this!!!???... how can you sit there and call yourself a movie geek and not be in the slightest bit excited to go watch this thing on the big screen in 3333deee ffs... so what if it looks to you like the smurfs invaded fern gully, to me it looks fucking incredible and i for one cant wait to see all that shit flying around in 3D it all looks pretty damn good to me with some of the shots being damn near photo realistic... this movie cant come quickly enough...
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Apparently, the first screening on Monday morning went extremely well. For what it is worth, Avatar seems poised to be nomnated for Best Drama at the Golden Globes.
http://tinyurl.com/yzygt5s
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It is too early for this shit.
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nobody can take you seriously after you defended mcg's terminator abomination and claimed that "real fans" of watchmen love snyder's version. yeah well, i'm as real a fan of watchmen as any and i think snyder's version sucks.
it's just mind boggling to me that someone can actually like that mcg's piece of shit enough to defend it, but when a real director has a new film coming out he cant stop badmouthing it without having first seen it. i mean, if you just have a thing against juvenile genre films then i can understand you distaste for avatar. but you apparently love mcg's and snyder's juvenile craps. so what gives??? -
I'm hardly an Avatar's groupie. I have mentioned several tiemshow skeptical i still am with the movie. But there's people her ewho are really reaching in their atempt to find fault so to bash the movie. And the unobtanium complains is quite revealing.When i heard Sigourney Weaver's narration mention unobtanium, i couldn't help but smile. It proves that Cameron really knows his SF. Unobtanium has been a staple of SF for quite a while. SF and engineering.Unobtanium is an injoke name given to impossible or UNOBTAINABLE material that are either the holy grail of engineering of miracle substances that help drive the plot of a SF story. Like the dillitium crystals of Star Trek, it's a type of unobtanium-like substance.In Avatar and in Star Trek's dillitium, the unobtanium is a natural substance. In the movie The Core, it was an impossible metalic alloy that was enginneered and manufactured. See, even Avatar is not original in the use of the unobtanium as a material as a plot device.The very metnion of unobtanium in relation to Avatar proves that Cameron really knows his SF. He's quite knowledgable about it, including this type of detail, which, frankly, any good SF fan knows.The people bashing the unobtanium, they strike me as this people to whom SF starts and ends only with Star Wars, and make lip service to Aliens and Wrath Of Khan so to not look bad among the AICN crowd. But really, if you claim to be a SF fan and yet you do not know what unobtanium is, you are a major failure as a SF fan. What's next, you don't know what an ansible is too?
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I'm one of the few who is on neither side of the fence regarding Avatar. I trust Cameron and his skills as a storyteller and filmmaker. I hope this movie blows my mind. but at the same time i can't help being skeptical. A cautious optimistic. A hopeful skeptic. whatever you want to call it, but in me there's both the hope and the fear for this movie. I can understand both sides of the fence regarding this movie, but it also bewilders me the extremes of the positions, as if anybody knows for certain without any real cause. I mean, if this was a movie made by some well known hack like Michael Bay, Jar Jar Abrams, McG, Stephen Sommers, Roland Emmerich, Brett Ratner and the likes, 6hen yeah, i would be on the haters bandwagon too, because of past experience suffering tfrom those hack's bullshit movies. The money would be on the movie being a piece of shit. But this is James Cameron we are talking about. without faling into the movie's hype, certainly i think the guy deserves at the very least some trust. The complete hate against the movie is, in my view, complete unwarranted.
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insist on your ridiculous argument that traveling at Pandora is more expensive than exploiting the unobtainium mineral.This is explained in the scrip,you supposedly have already read,in a monologue from SaM.But yet again,as a bad pimples in a butt which doesnt go way,you come here again and again to bash the movie,using the same,old-tired,unfounded argument.get a life man,get a fucking life before its too late.
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You know, the problem with the internet is that everybody is allowed to use it.
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Agree with your posts about the morons whining about the unobatanium while being completely ignorant of its actual use in the real world (as opposed to the fanboy la la land they live in) by actual scientists and engineers.
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... to mining the unobtanium stuff. Guess what, traveling to other stars IS IMPOSSIBLE. It's impossible in all the ways it has been depicted in the vast majority of Sf storie,s in faster-then-light travels. and the clue is faster-then-light, which NO MATTER in the whole universe can. Basic physics 101. but if there were no star travels, there would be no story to tell for Avatar. This is where in all SF stories there is this impossible thing that has to be accepted for the story to be told. The deal-breaker for a Sf story is not that one or two impossible things exist, for the sake of the story, but that it needs to be internally consistent. Because if it starts to pull shit out of it's ass to avoid plot dead-ends, then that is failure.Also, it's easier to accept an invented reality for a Sf story that ahs no resemblance to our own life experience then to abuse and make characters do impossible stuff that no human can. It's easier for a movie to mantain believability evn with faster-then-light travel (if the story doesn't go too hard-science) then to see a human fall from a great height and came out of it with no harm effects. Faster-then-light speed is fictional for a story, it's the author who make it to his own design, but to fall from a great height is something we all known what the real consequences are. This is why movies today are so fuill of bulslhit, they think they have earned the right to put any bullshit they see fit, just because there is this impossible bit of science in it, everything goes. No, not everything goes. In a movie, everythignnis earned, and if filmmakers and geeks think that anything can be taken for granted from the get go, they are fools and idiots.
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called sci-fi fans/geeks appear to be nothing of the sort. It seems sci-fi begins and end with Star Trek and Star Wars, and part of their hatred of Avatar is almost like it offends them (that or you would swear Cameron anal raped their mothers based on their passion and commitment). Like how dare some uppity prick try to create a new epic sci-fi universe. And then even worse not make it like trek or star wars.....
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he is far more knowledgable about the sci-fi genre than any of us. Thats what is cool looking about Avatar for me, I can see so many influences ranging from Dune, John Carter of Mars, Heavy Metal magazine (Avatar looks like Heavy metal brought to life imho..), and Japanese anime, not to mention Star Wars and even a little 2001: a space odessy...
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is shown to be as realistic as possibel. Its taken them 5 years to ge there (no faster than light travel), and notice how there is no artificial gravity in the space ship....
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No, it's theoretically possible even if we lack the means to do so in this day and age. "Faster-than-light" travel has never actually meant going faster than the speed of light, which is indeed impossible, but rather circumventing the limitations of the speed of light by way of wormholes, hyperspace and other means which aren't as far-fetched as one would think.
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lo....Travel to other planets is indeed theoretically possible. However you are correct that not in how its been shown in most sci-fi....
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You know how impossible they are to exist? Even the theoretical mathematical cosntrcutions show that evne if wrormhoels could be built, tehy would collapse so fast that not even ligth would had time to cross it. The gigantic bitch is to how to open one. but the even bigger bitch is how to mantain one. and the solution is to have a type of substance that doesn't exist. They gave the name of exotic matter. T_hing is, exotic matter would need to have this type of characteristics which are impossible. It would need to be antigravitational ON IT'S OWN. It emans, contrary to normal matte,r which causes gravity by creating a inward bend of space-time, exotic mater would need to create the reverse effect, a bending outward of space-time, to create the effect of anti-gravity. and there's the worst thing of it all, it would need lots and lots of it. Scientists calcualted that it would take the whole energy of the sun to create a few of the exotic matter sufficient to make on wormhole operation for a while. It would need a whole galaxy worth of energy to mantian one operational for the basic needs of star traveling.To say that an wormhole is merely theoritical is an understatment. Even theoritically, it's completly inpratical and impossible. Adn that would be the easy way out of a space travel without having to deal with the problems caused by relativity.Even a 5 years travel to proxima ceutauri is extremely optimistic, in a realistic scenarion. It mesn travellign at aprox. 95% speed of light. That alone is impossible in a practical manner. The issue is not the speed per se, but what needs to be done to go to the speed. And that problem is the same as to drive your car around: energy. Only thing is, the amount of energy needed to go to speeds closer and closer to light-speed raises exponencially. I don't recally the exact figures now, but i seem to recall that it takes 1000 times more energy to go on 60% light speed then to go on 50%. And the duifferenc eis pretty big for the time is save,s and the energy requirements are, LITERALLY, astronomical.But frankly, does that upset me about AVATAR and my acceptance of it's story? No. The story needs two impossible things to exist so the story can be told: near light-speed travel and unobtanium and it's spectacular proprieties, which acts a a natural occuring room temperature super-conductor. So, i accept that, for the sake of the story. no biggie. All SF stories needs that acceptance of a bit of the impossible. If you can't do that, you have no deal with SF.
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Hey friend, how are you? Deosn't matter if faster-then-light travels are impossible, for the sake of the story, one can overlook it. It's the needs of the story to exist in the first place, so be it. But in reality, space travel in a faster-then-light or near-light-speeds is impossible, for a miriad of reasons, that goes from the theoretical basis to the practical ones. Actually, even generational ships type travel could end up being also extremely impractical if not impossible too, due to also a lot of problems inherent to a relatively small closed enviroment that would need to be self-sustained for thousands of years. The usual typical problem of close systems. And that's discounting any problem they might face while on travel. Who nkows what stuff is there that can provide an obvstacle and a problem on route?, like asteroids, comets, even a whole rogue planetoid or very small brown dwarfs, which are extremely hard to detect even with radio-telescopes? In fact, that alone is one of the another major problem with a near or faster-then-light spped, if one would find an obstacle directly ahead, there would be no time to react and go around, because the light from your sensors wouldn't be able to catch it intime to warn you, much less engage evasive maneuvers. Basically,if you travel at speed of light, or faster. the light from your sensors be it infra-red or radio or whatever, woud be traveling at speed of light evne if it cam eout from a ship traveling at speed of light. If you were traveling at spped of light, and you shone a lantern, the light fromit would travel the same spped as you,and basically, there would be no light ahead of you. That is the very same phenomenum was the very foundation for waht later became Eisntein's Theory of Relativity. If we could travel at ligth speed, we would QUITE LITERALLY, be flying blind.
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Dec 08, 2009 9:17:01 AM CST
The question was asked, "What have you directed?"
by director stan arthur
Nothing you have ever heard of. I have made 50 or so short subject educational films for my employer, as well as two feature-length documentaries about the civil rights movement of the 1960's, a handful of commercials and a couple of music videos. I'm currently working as lead compositor on a sci-fi comedy feature called Waste of Space that is due out on DVD by summer 2010. There's a trailer for it here: http://tinyurl.com/yfxojcr In 2007, I was one of five finalist, nationwide, in a filmmaking contest to direct the first-ever "major motion picture" to be produced by an online community. They flew us all to NYC and had a screening event to show our final contest entries, hosted by Spike Lee. The bad news is, I didn't win. The good news is, the company folded and the film never got made. That was my one brush with greatness as a filmmaker. Thank you for asking.
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Dec 08, 2009 9:17:11 AM CST
AsimovLives, Doc, & southafricanguy are you guys lost ?
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
you are having a logical, insult-free debate on an actual subject....on an Avatar talkback no less. You should be ranting at each other over nothing, for example.... " Looks like ThunderSmurfs" " Fuck you Troll " "Looks like graphics from my Spectrum/Gameboy Color/ Commodore VIC20." " Jesus Christ " etc etc ......
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Dec 08, 2009 9:18:50 AM CST
Wow, Stan's back...and he brought some irony
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Waste of Space...Good one.
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Dec 08, 2009 9:20:06 AM CST
Thats Dr. NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks thankyou...
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Or better yet people, you may now call me Lion-tamer NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks...
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—y'know some of the reactions on here are unfortunate, bashing concepts like 6 legged creatures, blue-skin bipeds and the like. It makes me suspicious of 'fan' reaction to things like "John Carter of Mars" — one of the staple SF adventure stories and a seminal creation in my world. So many 'fans' only reference point for science fiction are movies like "Star Wars" (a fantasy) and TV Series like "Star Trek" that anything outside that reference point is judged by a dull, half-baked critical viewpoint as inferior; but that same critical perspective is NEVER attributed to their own reference for 'good' SF.It's disheartening that some of the conceits of the great SF stories of the past are dismissed out of hand, while many of those concepts are more imaginative then modern ideas.
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...is STILL theoretically possible. There's nothing which prohibits ways to overcome the logistics of such travel other than the narrow view that our current knowledge of physics is the pinnacle of what is knowable. The only thing which is "impossible" to any degree is the idea that we will have overcome such obstacles within the next 125 years as Avatar would have its viewers believe.
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I can understand the negativity based on the look of the Na'vi (ie, cartoony) vs. the real actors along side them. It doesn't help when it looks like a CGI version of Roger Rabbit on the planet Toontown. That being said, I'll take a good story or an inventive world over the realism factor (which is why I liked Farscape), but it does take a bit of getting used to vs. something like District 9.
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He was tutored by Corman, so it's no surprise his career has been a series of expensive B movies. Pirahna 2 was direct-to-video nonsense. If Lance Henrickson had played the title role in The Terminator (as Cameron has originally intended)that film would have disappeared without a trace. Aliens was plain awful. Ridley Scott had carefully crafted a highly intelligent sci-fi chiller and Cameron turned it into a moronic franchise. A giant alien queen? Saving the biggest monster until the end is a pure B movie device. Titanic was painful to watch. I could almost hear the groans from certain sections of the audience at the hack dialog and desperately predictable plot devices. The one time Cameron tried to do something intelligent above his usual B movie antics, he fell falt on his ass - The Abyss. So the aliens spare humanity on the basis of Bud's love message. How fucking corny is that? Avatar will bomb, bomb, bomb and then bomb again with a cherry on top. Cameron will finally be exposed as the B movie maestro he has always been.
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...best contributions to scifi is the Vulcan IDIC - infinite diversity in infinite combinations. His way of explaining that no creature is truly "alien". Which makes some of the hate for Avatar truly perplexing - to me anyway. I understand people not being sold or thinking "game changing" is silly, but that doesn't make the reasoning any less weak or just plain contradictory to the entire geek mindset.
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It's one of my major points of contention when someone boldly declares that "aliens can't possibly exist". Well if you assume that in the entire known universe every aspect of physics has been discovered and understood to the point of pure perfection, sure. But that's damn arrogant, if you ask me. We still "discover" new aspects to it regularly, as well as discount ideas we'd previous thought to be fact. Nothing is impossible, period. Just look at how much the world of today resembles the science fiction books of the fifties. What will our existence be like when we've had another 50-100 years to catch up to the ideas in the science fiction of today.
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AAAAHAHAAHAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAAAAAAA!!! AHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAHAHAAA! HAAAHAAHAAHAHAAAA!!! (inhale) HAAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAAHAAA!
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...of the HBO behind he scenes feature last night before turning it off in sheer amazement. Some of y'all are fuggin' nuts! The movie looks absolutely beautiful. The bioluminescent forrest, the different creatures buzzing around, the fluidity of the mechanical/technology moving around in a completely rendered environment - I challenge anyone to name another film that looks that good. Silly haters. And this is from someone who was DONE with all you this nonsense weeks ago. I now have absolutely no idea what a majority of you people are talking about. But I do know what you're talking out of.
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Yeah, I really, really can't understand that one. It might be a choice of language, but when people claim that these effects look like 'videogame' graphics and then use examples of games that are over 10 years old, I'm stupefied. It's probably the imprecise language; if they're saying the imagery reminds them of videogame iconography and Cameron is using that imagery to ground and immerse the viewer in epic scale vistas, then yeah, I can agree with that. To say the actual rendering of the images in "Avatar" look exactly like videogame cut scenes (i.e. Blur Studios, who do phenomenal work btw), then my only conclusion is that the current generation of SF 'fans' have a seditious and disturbing optical disorder that prevents them from seeing properly. Just looking at the close-up stills of the Na'vi are startling — they look like actors in make-up to me…
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Someone else tried that bullshit approach...didn't work. AVATAR's "unobtainium" is supposed to be a superconductor necessary to desperate Earth's energy crisis. But an Earth able to synthesize large amounts of antimatter (which is entirely a matter of energy expenditure...ask a physicist if I'm wrong) CAN'T have an energy crisis! Complete failure of logic. As I said before, it's like flying to the UK on the Concorde with a gas can across your knees because you heard "petrol" was cheaper there...
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Wow..."snyder's version sucks". That convinces me. I'll just have to take your word for it until you marshal the brain cells necessary to engage in a more pointed appraisal.
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See my reply to bongo123 above. And I don't really give a shit what's in the scriptment or not, as far as determining scientific relevance...the notion that Alpha Centauri B has a large gas giant with a moon named Pandora and dragons and blue people on it hardly makes that scenario a fact, now does it?
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is a mineral they mine for elictrical properties. It helps the flow of Electricity through a circut to be able to process data faster.
a superconductor. Anti-matter is used for space travel. the ISV in the movie uses it to get to pandora.Its used only for space travel as its very unstable for infrastructure on earth. it has to be used over a long period of time, and used to its full capacity. It makes perfect sence. -
Dec 08, 2009 10:41:29 AM CST
WHO CARES ABOUT THE SCIENCE OR IF IT'S NOT REALISTIC YOU CUNTS!!
by tehcreepythinman
Rod Serling didn't give a fuck and made due with whatever make-up effects William Tuttle was able to come up. His focus was on the human condition, not the fucking window dressing. I’m really getting sick of this obsession over whether or not something is “realistic”. IT’S CALLED CINEMA AND IT’S ALL MAKE BELIEVE YOU COCKSUCKERS!!! You fucking tools that bitch and moan about how “fake” everything looks are NEVER fucking happy with anything. Really, you’re fucking bitching that a PLANET in another FUCKING SOLAR SYSTEM with ALIENS and CREATURES doesn’t meet you’re expectations of “realistic” “hard” Sci-fi and then you have the goddamn nerve to endlessly fucking whine about the CGI when just 20 years ago you motherfuckers would have been pulling your fucking hair out over how incredible everything looks. Cameron didn’t need to make Avatar. He could have taken his Titanic money and lived the rest of his life on a beach surrounded by naked women, while you losers sit at home pulling your pud, but he decided that he’d really like to make a big ass Sci-fi flick for you dickless faggots who, at the same time, bitch that Star Wars and Star Trek have done nothing but dominate North American Sci-fi for the last 30+ years. You know the overwhelming negativity I see on these boards over Avatar and the success of FUCKING TRASH like Transformers ROTF leads me to believe that most of the population really if made up of low IQ fucking mongoloids.
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well said!
give the guy a break! be thankful for a new movie, be thankful that you even have a cinema in your town.
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What, is that disguise supposed to fool anyone? We all know why you really fucked off in the first place.
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Dec 08, 2009 10:54:41 AM CST
OH NOES!!! AS THE WORLD TURNS HAS BEEN CANCELLED AFTER 54 YEARS!
by tehcreepythinman
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZaTt9smDs
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one of Cameron's ex-wives. Or Kenneth Turan.Or maybe just a lobotomized cunt.
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What do you mean? Is this person some notorious character from way back?
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I have often lamented the loss of traditional 2D animation and one of the reasons is that for high concepts like this, I believe it can work best. I know it's prohibitively expensive, but in a regular cartoon, everything always meshes better. The backgrounds, the characters, the "props", whatever, everything always seems to be more "of a piece", if that makes sense. Whenever animation & live-action mix (except for Roger Rabbit) something always seems too "off" to me. Something like the short film "Skywhales" is a good example of what I'm trying to get at here. Hey, thanks for reading!
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"Cameron will finally be exposed as the B movie maestro he has always been."And you, are now, and forever will be known as a DICK.
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Well said sir, Kudos.
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Not quite. Is he steeped in the world of exploitation genres. Yup. Does he blend those genres and brilliantly craft relevant stories while engaging the audience with wall-to-wall action, character and unique settings? Yup. Is Mrdck being a troll? Anyone care to guess…?
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Sorry to disapoint, friend.
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is just silly. There's no way to predict how an alien will look like if mankind ever have the chance to see one. On one hand, the idea that aliens might look similiar to creatures on Earth is based on the notion that the same physcis that govern our neck of the woods is the same everywhere in the universe. But that also gives rise to a provincialist idea of what life is like. and thanks to the studies of extremophiles on Earth, amny of the assured notions of what life could and could not be like have been revised.The thing is, there's creatures who life and revel in conditions which most other creatures would find deadly. On different conditions in a different enviromen from adifferent planet orbiting a different star, the local conditions could help give rise to a type of alien lifeforms that wouldn't match anything known on Earth. Maybe some of them would even be hard to classify as a living organism as we know them. So, while it's ttue that the same physics that goven us is the sare everywhere in the univers,e there's still a lot of possible variances that can't even be predicted. That's the thing where the universe migth hold it's greatest treasures, the amazing unpredictable diversity of life. The rest is fairy predictable, not not stuff as living organisms and the enviroments they might rise from.I think it's beyond ceertain that there is life elsewhere in the universe. Evne in our galaxy. Maybe even prety close to our own neighbouring solar systems. Maybe life is ubiquous. The merest chance for it to develop, even if it just stays at the unicellular level, and it will emerge. Maybe there's even alien lifeform elsewhere in this solar system, on the moons of Jupiter or Saturn, maybe even on the clowds of Jupiter, or in the sands of Mars. We still can't provide a definitive answer to that. but to deny life elsewhere outside Earth seems, to me, a terrible klack of the imagination and capacity to extrapolate what semes to be the basic notions learn from the study of physics. Life is a natural consequence of the laws of physics.The real issue, the way is see it, is not so much if there's life elsewhere, but INTELLIGENT life. Will there be elsewhere intelligent aliens like the Na'vi, the Vulcans and whatnot? Thjat's the real thing that is really debatable. Is intelligent life scarse and just particular to Earth? Or, like all other kinds of life, is abundant, evne in our galaxy, even in our neighbour stars? Will it be that if there's life, there's inteligence, the later a natural consequence of the former? and would they be in any way similiar to us that we could communicat,e or would their culture and values and thinking be so alien that there would be no way for inter-species communication?
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Oh, well in that case...once you eliminate the "hard SF" angle, all we're left with is the "nth" retread of the "going native" story previously covered in FERNGULLY, DANCES WITH WOLVES, LAST OF THE MOHICANS, A MAN CALLED HORSE, POCAHONTAS, THE MISSION, LORD JIM, THE EMERALD FOREST, ENEMY MINE, DUNE, etc, etc, etc. Even the Ewok part of RETURN OF THE JEDI walked in these footsteps before...
If you were to type AVATAR up into a manuscript and dump it on an SF editor's desk, he might spare you a grin before he turned around and deposited it in his "slush pile". Stories like this were old hat in the SF business as far back as the fifties.
You'll excuse me if I don't drop to my knees and bow beside you (or whatever you're doing there with your mouth wide open) when Cameron the naked emperor strides past...he's great for spectacle and action sequences, not a helluva lot else. Certainly not original plots...he proved that by dipping in Harlan Ellison's till back during the first TERMINATOR.
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"Life is a natural consequence of the laws of physics."
That's far from certain. Here on the garden spot of the universe, for instance, there's no evidence that life "started" more than once...all existing organisms, from microbes up through fungi, plants and animals are actually "cousins". -
I just hope you ar enot as critical to every and each action movie that gets made, because they have basically the same plot again and again and again. And with far less imagination and ideas thrown to them that it seems Cameron bothered to do for his new Avatar.You know, people like you puzzle me a bit. You are so easy on Jar Jar Abrasm's STINO and raised the movie to the skies in praise, when in fact that movie is one of the most obvious collection of old over-abused cliches in the history of Cinema. But for Avatar you go to great lenghts to see where Cameron ripped off. What's the deal here? Why the two measures?
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My measurements are consistent...I despised STAR TREK.
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As per hitflix...
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who expected the picture to stand alongside the critical favorites of Cameron's previous work. Boy can things change after one screening in Hollywood. No one who has seen the film is allowed to go on record [and this writer has not seen the film himself], but word has leaked that Fox's gamble may have paid off and "Avatar" may be way more than meets the eye.
After a screening yesterday morning, very reliable sources have told Awards Campaign that the HFPA were incredibly positive about Cameron's latest endeavor. In fact, it's now very likely to be nominated in both the Best Picture - Drama and Best Director categories when the Golden Globe nominations are announced next Tuesday. This was almost unthinkable a week ago and may push expected Globe nominees such as "The Hurt Locker" or "An Education" out of the Best Picture - Drama race. Additionally, this could (emphasis on "could") find "Avatar" seriously being considered for one of the ten nominees for Oscar's Best Picture trophy -- especially considering the 8-10th slots hardly seem secure at this point in the race.
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He puts asses in seats better than anyone.
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In that case i appologise. I misstook you for somebody else. So sorry. Good show for loathing that exacrable piece of shit STINO bulslhit. But im still think you are a bit too harsh on Cameron and Avatar. While i'm hardly the movie's groupie, i still think you are too hard on it. Of coruse i have no real indication you are wrong about Avatar, but i also have no real indication youa re right either. I just think you are a bit too harsh on it, that's all. And again, sorry for the confusion.
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Dec 08, 2009 2:45:20 PM CST
BurnHollywood, IT COULD BE GREAT, IT COULD BE SHIT, YOU DON'T FU
by tehcreepythinman
You've just decided to hate it without even seeing it. I will wait and see if it's any good or not.
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However excelent Avatar could or might had been, i would hate to see The Hurt Locker be pushed aside for the nominations. Beside,s it would be fun to see Cameron go on competition agaisnt his ex-wife Kathryn Bigelow.
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Caught that film on a sneak-in when I was pretty young and it's stuck with me my entire life. Love that one.
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...noms this year. Interesting.
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I agree, it would be interesting to see Cameron go against Bigelow and chances are it will happen. I'm rooting for Cameron though. It's hard to believe with his track record, I feel like he's the underdog. I'm pretty stubborn about going out to the movies these days. I refused to see Transformers (1 or 2) and even though I loved Terminator 1 and 2, I couldn't be bothered to see 3 or 4. I've said it before, Cameron is the only guy out there consistantly making hit movies that are fun to see. Everything I've seen about Avatar makes me want to see it repeatedly. I can watch the trailer every day and not get bored with it. I think a lot of people are going to love it and some will hate it, but no matter what, I think it will make an ignorant amount of money. Is it ludicrous to imagine this movie becoming bigger than Titanic? For sure, but you can't count out all the young girls who fall for a love story. Just look what they did for Twilight. If they get behind something, anything can happen. This movie is catching the eye of a lot of different types of people who go to the movies. From what I can tell, it's going to live up to all the hype and then some.
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Dec 08, 2009 4:23:34 PM CST
"The Hurt Locker" deserves to be pushed in front of the nominati
by blakindigo
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"Near Dark" alone…
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even in her late 50s.
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buy a dictionary as you obviously dont know what "hack" means given your completely incorrect use of the word. Or at least brush up on your film knowledge you ignorant cunt. Cameron never actually directed Piranha 2, no matter how much you wish that to be true (if you dont know the story behind it that speaks volumes), and aside from Cameron, both Francis Ford Coppola and Martin Scorcese got their first breaks working for Corman. So there goes your pathetic, ignorant "theory"....
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aicn's #1 avatar apologist. fucking loser.
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aicn's #1 asshole. you love telling people to fuck off? well, fuck off southafricanguy. avatar sucks balls and cameron is a hack. the navi look so unbelievably stupid. i love the live action pix of the actors wearing those taped on cat tails! fucking hilarious!
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UNTIL TOTAL EYE FUCKING
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looks like beef jerky thats been left in the sun too long
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for near dark and for being ultra milf
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this movie looks horrible.
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απολογιστης nice.apologist for fucking what?he would be an apologist if the movie was a turd,and he was trying to apologize for it,justify its flaws,but guess what: the fucking movie is going to be A-WE-SO-ME
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Safe Sex,even when eye fucking.
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hahaha it has FernGully as one of the recommended movies.rofl.do u know how the reccomendation system works in imdb? because i have seen even more unrelated movie recommendations in another movie titles.
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harder than your mom on a wednesday night. the navi look plain stupid. they look like a cat version of abe sapien. 3-d is a stupid gimmick. the video game was a good indicator of how bad this movie will suck.
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to know its going to suck. they have released so many video clips, pics and audio and ads for this movie that i can tell its going to suck. like when i saw the previews for transformers 1 & 2. i still have not seen those movies and i will never see avatar.
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really want to see his penis in 3-d coming right at their face. on your knees bitches!
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can cgi save a shitty movie? we'll find out in one week. (camerons career is over!)
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or blue cat people? if avatar does not make as much money as titanic then it will not break even. can you say: 500 million dollar flop!
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they unbanned you? how did that happen and how did you know? good on you, anyway! fuck avatar!
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its good to be back. expressing my personal opinion on the shit-fest that is avatar
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change your name. you dont deserve it. imitator
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fact.
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what a dumb mcguffin. its like something a 10 year old would think of.
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... is the dangling excrement hanging on for dear life by a glistening membrane of strained turd from the cancerous anus that is his worthless, trolling opinion.
As you have proven -- empty vessels really do make most noise. -
and I'm loving it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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After a screening yesterday morning, very reliable sources have told Awards Campaign that the HFPA were incredibly positive about Cameron's latest endeavor. In fact, it's now very likely to be nominated in both the Best Picture - Drama and Best Director categories when the Golden Globe nominations are announced next Tuesday. -
you are a terrible writer. kinda like james cameron. that should make you happy.
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bwahahahahahahahahahaha....
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for this role, he shit in a cat box for six months.
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james cameron is trying to make me pay money to be tortured for 3 hours. what a jerk.
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your fetish is showing.
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How does it feel to suckle the cock of a TOTAL WANKER like Devin Faraci? How long till you get banned this time Nerd_Rage? Ans JackAsh_Williams...lame.
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technology in movie making? I keep hearing about how this Avatar flick is using new tech that will be a "game changer" for movie making and I don't understand. From what I've seen so far it looks kind of lame. Kind of cheap looking but... maybe I need to see it in the theatre? I don't get it. Anyone know? I mean, District 9's effects looked a LOT better to me. Looked real where as Avatar, so far, looks like a video game.
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They're going to try and say anything to get people to go and pay for this over-done pixar cartoon.
Don't fall for their bullshit hype, like so many poor unfortunate others here, who have been sucked into the illusion, that this will be something truly remarkable.
It looks way too fake to be taken seriously. -
devin Farci cock sucking chud troll. You have displayed the necessary stupidy, and insanity to be one with Farci...
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explained then you really have nt been paying attention or reading any of the various sources giving such information. Theres the 3D stereoscopic cameras they invented, the new and better mo-cap tech called the volume, which uses a camera on the actors face as opposed to all those little balls. Theres the software that allows Cameron to see the actors as their characters, and the cgi enviroment as he is filming, so he can frame shots as if he was shooting on a real set etc...Both Spielberg and Jackson are making Tintin useing all the afore mentioned tech (they were both inspired to finally make Tintin based on what Cameron showed them of Avatar)...and the list goes on....
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all the pathetic inbred retards like ash etc...can slit their wrists and improvw the worlds genetic gene pool. What a bunch of arrogant wankers, if only we could all predict the future like you delusional mongoloids. If you guys are wrong about its success, I hope you are ready for the all the shit you will get in the talkbacks....
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Specifically, what part do you keep hearing that you don't understand? The technology has been explained quite clearly and extensively over the last ten months.
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never be aicns no 1 asshole becuase that position is so thoroughly and completely owned by you. I dont have anything that comes anywhere near the arrogant, dumb as shit, juvenile, pathetic rantings you post. You sir, compared to me, are a true professional (asshole that is..)
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When the bar is raised by a successful person, it makes a lot of people jealous when they look at their own lack of accomplishment. Misery loves company. Wouldn't matter if the movie wins every academy award, they'd still hate it and as wrong as it is, I get a twisted pleasure knowing the more successful the film it is, the more they will be annoyed.
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times does the use of unobatanium have to be explained? Or how many times does it have to be pointed out that Cameron did not in fact direct pirahna 2? It really shows how all they have is the same old shit so they need to keep repeating it in the hope it sticks....
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Seems like a lot of bitterness. You would swear Cameron anal raped these peoples mothers with how much dedication and passion they display towards hating this film. Its seriously like they are just so offended by it. I actually find it quite funny.....will be even funnier if it is a big success......
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He/she/it clearly has no life. Avatar is gaining Best Picture traction. Public awareness and buzz is in the 90's. Cameron is back and Nerd_Rage can do nothing about it. The facts are clear and have been repeated ad nauseum. I will not allow the ill-informed naysayers ruin the first genuine excitement I have had for a film in quite some time. Let them be the proverbial falling tree in a vacant forest.
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No worries. I simply find it fascinating to meet people who are limited by ignorance and choose to be vocal about it. The fact they spend their leisure time with a negative perspective (regardless of what it's about)is truly a revealing character trait that will ultimately and ironically define the fate they make for themselves.
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"Wow..."snyder's version sucks". That convinces me. I'll just have to take your word for it until you marshal the brain cells necessary to engage in a more pointed appraisal."
it's not i dont want to engage with you, it's just i have engaged too often on the subject with the likes of you in many sites, including this one. dont feel like repeating myself to someone who likes mcg's terminator is all. you want a more appointed appraisal, just google my nick n watchmen. -
bwhahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahah.....stops to wipe tears from eyes, ahahahahahahahaahahahah.....
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Dec 08, 2009 11:02:19 PM CST
"All the same, I'll see it...ain't shit else playing this season
by cloudrider`
BurnHollywood is sure avatar is shit, but he'll see it anyway. hahaha... nice excuse there, buddy.
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guys expect anybody to take what they say about Avatar or Cameron seriously when you see them in other talkbacks going gaga over garbage like T4, Transformers2 or Twilight for fucks sake? Fucking hilarious....
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their film knowledge is so laughable they dont actually know what it means. And whats even funnier is that they seem proud of their ignorance....Well, they are welcome to all the remakes/reboots/prequals/ etc..Hollywood can churn out, hope they emjoy it...
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That's how it appeared but it looks like its in a completely different solar system now in this featurette. Guess that makes more sense, but damned if that planet it orbits doesn't look exactly like jupiter.
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another joke ripped from AICN talkbacks
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as twilight. "from the director of titanic". who do you think that is being marketed to? 13 year old girls and 50 year old house wives.
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seriously? space marines? steroided out meat heads throwing around marines slang? lame. it was cool in aliens, in 1986. now? dated. played out. childish.
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and nothing. just me, and my opinion. sorry you dont like it. try not to cry TOO hard.
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deal with it bitches. i also like star trek 2009 (and cloverfield). district 9 and gi joe. suck it. anyone of you with an ounce of honesty would admit that gi joe was not a bad movie. avatar looks lame. so kill me. i see the previews and i think that this does not look like a good. avatar looks like star wars episode 7.
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What was it about?
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because we are laughing at him for liking crap like T4 and Gijoe. Dont worry pal I have no prob dealing with it, it just makes your opinion regarding Avatar worthless is all.....
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movie?? So its fact according to you that that lame Stephen Sommers crapfest was good, and we should not lie about it sucking? Typical arrogant crap from this wanker. Avatar sucks because he says so, but everyone else must be "honest" and admit to liking a shitty film because he says so....Fuck dude, you are hilarious....
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contradict yourself more? Space Marines are so 80s? (aside from the fact they are merceneries) then what the fuck is GIJOE you dumb fuck nut? There are few more things that are quintessential 80s than Gijoe, or Terminator for that matter. You are so full of shit Ash....but then you like T4, bwhahahahahahahahh *cough*.,oh stop it you are killing me tasteless mongoloid *stops to wipe more tears from eyes* ahahahahahah
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so I guess your lame ass predictions are due to a time machine you own....
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...and finally Lucas. Six fuckballs i'd like to dunk in a mammoth sized cauldron that consists of vomit, urine, feaces, and dentists' saliva collection bags from all those viewers' eyes these directors attacked with their utterly utterly deplorable films. Speilberg and Lucas combined thier powers to actually rape my childhood to the point where I would've nearly preferred to have been turned into a hole by multiple sex offenders. Cameron is the last bastion of hope for sci-fi and fantasy, but I fear... I fear we're gonna need a bigger cauldron!!!
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...but in particular about her taste in film, if I maybe so bold to even dare to refer to them as films. Furthermore, does Ash not realise that marketing departments in every company, whether it's serving a product or service - film or otherwise - exists for the same reason politcal langugae does "to make lies sound truthful, the truth sound like lies and to give solidity to pure wind" I can't remember who said this (I may not have even quoted oorrectly) but one things for sure Ash_Williams needs to take heed
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cells. That, and stop confusing her opinion for fact....
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You dare to compare Steven Spielberg, director of ….. with Michael Bay. In a just world, you would be forced to watch endless repeats of Full House interrupted only by bathing Harry with your tongue.
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that thinks something is true just because she says it is. My sides are still aching from laughing at the fact that she likes gijoe and T4....hee hee hee...
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he did make Indy 4, and hes been hit or miss this past decade. But the dudes still got skills. Munich, Catch me if you can were good imho. And Minority Report was a decent P.k.Dick adaptation...
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is obviously alive and well. But all that's going to change dramatically if you keep publicly calling out celebrities and accusing them of rape. You're like a child playing with a loaded gun and don't know what you're doing.
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view at joblo.com with Cameron done for a French channel. Its really refreshing, and he answers many good questions in a very honest manner....
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Wished it had gone on longer.
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wow, a racist south african? what a shocker! fuck off you whiney little bitch.
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you think 13 years old girls and 50 years old housewives did not make all the money for titanic. you are dumber than i think you are. moron.
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sad isn't it? james cameron has fallen so far. making a 500 million dollar piece of shit. hahahahaha
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you would never admit the movies you like bacause you have a bullshit image to uphold. the fact that you want to suck james camerons cock says it all. your taste in movies is horrible! t2 sucks. abyss sucks. true lies sucks. cameron is a hack who has the geek world fooled. abrahms is the new speilberg. cameron is the new lucas. suck it bitch! hahahahahaha
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fact.
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is because he only makes one movie every ten years. he is a pussy. if he had any balls at all he would be active in the movie making world. his movie are mediocre at best. i feel sorry for fans of cameron, that they have such horrible taste in movies. cameron could come up with an original movie idea if his life depended on it. avatar is original? wrong. john carter, warlord of mars. last samurai.
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all you do is rip on people who dont agree with you. you put out no original ideas or opinions. you are a loser and an asshole. fuck off to your twilight talkbacks, pussy.
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is that its a fun, crazy action movie. if any of you had any balls, you would admit it, like i do. avatar on the other hand is going to be preachy, heavy handed, cheesey, sappy and lame. yes, i think gi joe will be better than avatar. i dont want to be preached to by an out of touch, rich, old man who lives in a private submarine at the bottom of the ocean with glowing fairies. (abyss sucked ass).
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i liked indiana jones 4. so, fuck you all. indy 4 blows away temple of doom.
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I actually took the time to review some of your esteemed postings on WATCHMEN in TBs past, and all I can say is...wow, how fucking pedestrian.
A good example is seen in your reaction to the film's aesthetic...most obviously in Night Owl's shiny "Batman-esque" techno-fetishist uniform and the Matrix-like fight choreography in a couple of scenes. What clearly flies over your head (naturally) is the genius behind those choices...
The movie is trying to establish a startling visual dichotomy between the Minutemen and Watchmen eras. For this reason, the Minuteman-era uniforms look tacky and homemade, while the far more polished Watchmen-era naturally emulates the most successful comic genre to date, BATMAN. Given that Night Owl is clearly the group's "Batman", his look closely hews to that new standard. A nice byproduct of this choice is that it assists the subplot of Night Owl's need to be in uniform before he feels like a complete man again...who can blame him for wanting to chuck aside his dowdy, professorial appearance in favor of his glossy, near-invincible alter-ego?
A similarly clever choice is made with the Matrix-y fight scenes. Like it or not, THE MATRIX had a huge effect culturally on how audiences view fight choreography, so that meme additionally clarifies the distinction between the Watchmen and the Minutemen, with their "POW, BAM, KAPOW" style hinted at in the credits.
What you're so sadly missing is how brilliant and reverential this dichotomy is...Moore's WATCHMEN was a graphic novel so significant that it almost divides the comic book world into a "before" and "after" period. Before, we have Adam West and Cesar Romero...after, we have Christian Bale and Heath Ledger. They're almost in different universes, stylistically. Snyder recognized that achievement and wove it into the appearance of his players.
In short, your missing the big picture that the movie is trying to convey in favor of a confused assessment of visual minutiae. You're ditching context in favor of trivialities. Typical fanboy approach. -
when this movie fails, all of the avatar apologists will blame fox, not cameron. watch and see. they will bitch and whine like little girls about how fox ruined another movie! wah wah wah!
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Twas the night Before Avatar, and all through my theater
The geeks were all happily jacking jacking their peters
The all of the sudden there came such a crash, the credits alone were a fuck in the ass!!
But the 3D slowly moved away from my bum, it krept towards my eye sockets, ready to cum!!
Ribisi,Cameron, Weaver and more...they must have thought my eyes where the slutty town whore!!!!!!
And then I felt (or saw) a slight tingle, for it was James Cameron, not Chris Cringle!!
And I heard him shout out a flurry of internet memes
And I thought "some producers losing their Mercedes Bens!!!!!" -
Arrgh ya land lovin TB errors, ye are the scourge of the high internets
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Orpheus: Geo, have you been having dreams, and strange feelings that something isn't quite right?
Geo: Orpheus, yes I do. WHen on the AICN TB's, doing my uber hacking, I notice there is no way to change.....like a mistake I made.....
Orpheus: That feeling, Geo, is know as your Midochlorian Eve count, measured in Lucas bars. It's there to tell you "God did it" when you have any questions. For a payment of only $5,600, we can help you get rid of these "Midochlorians".
Geo: Orpheus, I don't understand......... .. ..
Orpheus: Geo, no one can be told what the TB Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself. There are many errors, but the biggest error of all may lie within ourselves. I can show you.
Geo: What is this place?
Orpheus: They called it TB. It was on the ancient internets of the late 20th century, we think it cam online in 1994, but we may be off. All we know is that a being called BIG RED scourched the edit button, which we call black sky. -
Orpheus: AFter black sky came, we went underground. The Machines hired John Connor to find us, they were like really pissed they couldn't edit their tb postings in a world that obviously had code readily available to fucking god damn do so, Harry!
Geo: Orpheus, who is this Harry?
Orpheus: Harry is the Architecht, spelt wrong on purpose due to lack of edditing. He looks like colonel sanders merged with a red head Jabba the hut, and he was married to yoko ono.
Geo: Fascinating.
Orpheus: Tiger Woods y'all! -
Fatrinity - God I'm so fat. It's hard to fit into this leather body suit and do kung fu. I think I'll just order a pizza and stay in
Geo: 'Trin, cmon lets go!
Fatrinity: It's FATrinity Geo, I don't like your nick names. .
Geo: I dont like that you look like a large scale Jello smuggler in that suit 'trin, this is an order, lets go!
Orpheus: Kirk Cameron, aka Teh Oracle (sic) has joined forces with John Connors Enron Cube and has sent the giant squid from Watchmen to destroy the peaceful underground stoner city called Zion...
Geo: Boohya!
Fatrinity: Let's go, to the Matel Hoverboards!! -
You made an error in the 4th line.PeanutButterSlut in her best singing/swallowing voice"Then he moved away, from the bum of my mum,And into my gaping mouth, James Cameron did cum!......'bon appétit!'...signed: your friend
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yoda could totally kick a navi's ass.
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a hetero man-crush, mind you.
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But good for you for participating. My TB name is actually a well thought out and totally relevant thing..... let me explain.
Puts on Smart glasses.
Back when the net-work tv execs created TV, there was a secret group that met called the big 3, which went on to establish television as we know it.
Who were the big 3?
Oh, but you actually do know who they are. In modern times their known as the stations CW (Chocolate Woman), PBS (Peanut Butter Slut) and ABC (Apple Butter Cunt). My name is in homage of CHocolate woman and her legacy.
So it's not like literal, k -
http://tinyurl.com/yd9afvj
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If that's the case, how come you're not handing out "fisting" rights? signed: your friend.
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Asimov. He is truly out of his fucking mind...
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I think the real question is if he has a mind.
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mind than he/she/it has any taste, or brain cells....lol.
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