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Friday 18-49 overnights (previous Friday finals in parentheses):
2.4 (1.6) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.0) (1.5) (1.0) (1.1) (----) (1.1) Monk
1.9 (1.3) (2.0) (2.0) (1.9) (2.0) (2.1) (2.0) (2.2) (1.7) (2.3) Ghost Whisperer
1.8 (1.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) (2.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.1) Medium
1.6 (1.1) (1.7) (1.7) (1.8) (1.7) (1.8) (1.8) (1.6) (1.6) (1.8) Numbers
1.6 (1.7) (1.8) (2.0) (2.8) (1.7) (1.6) (2.0) (1.5) (1.7) (2.3) 20/20
1.6 (1.3) (1.2) (1.1) (0.9) (1.2) (1.4) (-----) (----) (----) (----) White Collar
1.5 (----) (1.5) (1.7) (----) (1.6) (1.7) (----) (1.5) (1.8) (1.5) Dateline
1.2 (1.0) (1.3) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) The Jay Leno Show
1.2 (0.9) (----) (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) (1.2) (1.4) (----) (----) (----) Ugly Betty
1.1 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Muppets Christmas
1.1 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Heat Vs. Lakers
0.9 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Dreams Come True: Disney
0.8 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Grandma Got Run Over
0.8 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (0.8) (----) (1.0) (0.9) (1.0) Dollhouse
0.8 (-----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (-----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Bulls Vs. Cavaliers
0.8 (0.6) (1.1) (1.2) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) Smallville
0.5 (----) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (----) Stargate Universe
* The “Monk” series finale scored by far the series’ best 18-49 score ever. “It is the largest audience and demo turnout to date, not only for the show and for a USA scripted series but also for a drama series on basic cable,” noted the Hollywood Reporter’s James Hibberd.
* “Monk’s” triumph boosted “White Collar” to a new series high.
* The audience for “Stargate Universe,” meanwhile, has seemingly collapsed into a black hole. The series plummeted to a new series low.
* "Clone Wars" scored 0.4 in 18-49; it's not in the table because historical data is spotty.
* The first two-hour block of “Dollhouse” (the first episodes to air since announcement of its cancellation) may have proven above average in entertainment value but matched its all-time low rating from six weeks earlier. Repeats of “Bones” and “House” have been pulling much stronger ratings in that timeslot.
* President Obama’s Tuesday speech pre-empted “Leno” on its strongest night, helping to drive the show’s weekly average below the 1.4 mark for the first time:
1.2 (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) (5.3) Mon
---- (1.9) (1.9) (1.9) (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) (3.4) Tue
1.5 (1.6) (1.4) (1.4) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (1.9) (2.0) (3.5) Wed
1.5 (1.5) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (2.7) Thu
1.2 (1.0) (1.3) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) (2.2) Fri
“The Biggest Loser” (NBC’s third biggest primetime series after “Sunday Night Football” and “The Office”) airs its season finale Tuesday. It’ll be interesting to see how the Tuesday edition of “Leno” fares subsequently.
* "Medium" hit a new season low (assuming the numbers hold up with the finals).
Find James Hibberd’s analysis here.
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care about ratings?
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Herc, I can always tell when Dollhouse is going to get killed because it's preceeded with an exclamation from you on how great the episode is. You are Whedon's Grim Reaper.
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will come a few months after the Republicans nominate Sarah Palin for president. There's NO WAY he can win against her.
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Thank God.
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Sarah Palin = Desperate Housewives; Good Trashy Fun with not a whole lot of brain, but looks good. Obama = Lost. Pretty good, but teasing, a few bumps, not a whole lot of answers to the mysteries/problems.
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...so he'll quit making shitty investigative shows on TruTV. Ventura:"You know they're covering up something when they refuse to let a former Navy Seal in Old Navy." "Um, sir, I told you, we're not open yet." Ventura: "SHUT UP, MCMAHON!" My name's Sally.
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Obama can't save Leno and Herc can't save the Dollhouse. A Smallville rerun has higher ratings than the Dollhouse.
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The show is canned, no need to go over ratings. I just hope Joss ends it well since I doubt he'll find anyone to give him a budget just to kill off characters. No need to do comics since Buffy is awful and Angel is just treading water.
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the final nail in the coffin of the grand racist old party
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Rusty and Clark together again. Anthony Michael Hall plays a bully in a bizarre double reference. The first Breakfast Club member has surfaced...
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Seriously? Palin? I would rather have four more years of Bush.
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Dollhouse is cancelled already. Corpses don't bleed.
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So I can't imagine Fox is going out of its way to promote the show, considering it's been cancelled.
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I hope she picks a good Vice President, then. Because there's no way she's going to go four years without quitting ... AGAIN! Give me a great, Herc.
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stills continue to be the WORST Christmas SPECIAL EVER!It has always been a ratings loser and I'm perplexed to why CBS continues to show it every year! The song was catchy(at the time) but shit none the less!Whomever greenlighted that shit should burn in Christmas Hell!
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Hmm ... Give me a great? Wonder what that meant. :( Obviously I meant, "Give me a break, Herc." D'oh!
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I already know I'm in the minority when it comes to porn, but I really think if you're going to go in that direction, then you need better satirical writers.
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of actual comment to comment that you don't like anything about Dollhouse? Or stupid fuck forgetting to type in the box?
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Fuck you leno
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cuz if so, how did obama pre-empt leno when they aired two hours apart?
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There's no way in Hell Leno would beat a prime time show. Ferguson beats Conan on nightly basis, yet no one ever mentions that.
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Sounds just like Ventura.
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Those lies are old.
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about eight months before Fox aired its first episode. I look forward to seeing how the series concludes, and look forward to seeing what Joss Whedon does next!
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don't let the network mess with your first episode? Seems like these days if a show doesn't grab an audience right away, its chance of survival becomes very small, no matter how well the writing builds on itself later. As soon as the first episode opened with the shitty motorcycle race scene, which I'm guessing was the flava FOX wanted to inject, I figured it was over.
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Don't rip off BSG.
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It's one of those shows that you can't really understand unless you've seen the first episode. Somebody new walking into the show is like why the hell is she acting so different? Why are they putting her in the chair? Why is she now retarded? They should have had before every episode much like yesterday's two parter-- a brief explanation as to what a doll is.
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Dec 05, 2009 10:43:41 PM CST
Last night episode of DH tells me that Alexis still got chops!
by hollywoodhellraiser
And why haven't someone put him on a drama series by now?Alexis easily out acts David Borenza and James Marster(I like the guy)without effort!Someone needs to add him to another series ASAP!
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...on a premium channel so Joss Whedon could avail the proceedings with wall to wall sex, nudity, cursing, and endless perversions. Further, it should have had a linear storyline with a clear mission statement. You need an entry point character for good drama to work, or for any story to work for that matter--and that has to be the lead character. In regard to Dollhouse, however, the FBI agent became that, and not Echo, the person that the show is centered around? That was a major mistake. Echo should have escaped the Dollhouse in the first episode, and worked to convince the FBI agent that it was real. Then from there after Echo managed to turn him, the two could have worked together to expose the Dollhouse. Echo should have then been kidnapped by the Dollhouse, and turned back into a doll...for a 3 or four episode arc...as Ballard tries to fnd and rescue her. Next, Ballard should have cracked the case and sent the FBI in to raid the LA dollhouse, but instead of the house being outed to the media and public, to Ballard's disappointment, the feds recruit the awakened dolls (as their fully realized original selves) to be programmable government agents in order to find and bring down the other 19 dollhouses throughout the world. That should have been the show. I would have written it so that Echo and Caroline would be merged personalities--and I would have written Ballard as her love interest. It would have made for a better show all the way around--and the madame of the Dollhouse would become our villain...as she retreats to take command of the other 19 dollhouses in order to launch their greater mission...to use the dolls as programmable agents who are being positioned to takedown world governments by way of a clandestined group behind the scheme which hopes to create a one world government.
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On Fox?!?! C'mon even if the ratings were good Fox was going to find any excuse to canned it!I was actually surprised it got two seasons!I don't blame the dreaded "Friday Night Death Slot" excuse, I just think Fox doesn't want to spend money on Friday nights.Fox rather concedes Fridays. Put DH on Weds and or whatever and watch the ratings increase.Joss will be back and give us another series...then another and then another.Joss is unstoppable!
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...not a real candidate. If people vote for her, they will be voting based on race and image, not substance, and they will deserve what they get, another George Bush, just in a dress.
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As a black republican I am offended by the assertion that the republican party is racist.
As a Whedon fan, I'm offended that he is going to be off the air again, and eagerly await his return to television. He should make a show for the CW, it could pull Dollhouse numbers and stay on the air forever.
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Was thinking the same thing about Alexis. I miss the rouge demon hunter.
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Supernatural Herc! You're missing out!
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I don't remember Alexis being Red lol!
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That is what should offend you, and your own denial of that fact, is also offensive.
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Dollhouse was fucked early on. It should have been a "mission" show/Bourne "who am I" cross. Instead Joss tried to hard. This dude is poison. Its like he is trying to sell caviar and pate at McDonalds(FOX). I am not a fan of his however. Please don't twist the analogy thinking that I consider his work to be "fine dining" cause I don't. Dollhouse was the first time I actually tried to force feed myself his crap and it was only for Eliza's sake sooooooo.........
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If dollhouse was on cable and eliza showed her boobs, but with basically the same scripts, this show would win emmys. The rest of your "they should have"s I disagree with, but if this show was on cable it would be golden. Friday's eps were awesome and actually advanced the story without any kind of reset to status quo.
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And I'm gay, and she's STILL hot.
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And I mean hot in a nasty sort of way, too, like, I wanna not just do the sex thing with her, but gross and perverted and weird ugly sex things, too. But I'm not bisexual; that would be gross. ;)
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Based on the Whedon interview that Herc has a link to on the Dollhouse Talkback, a link that Buffy directed me to, I'd have to say that the show, as it is, is actually 1/8th the show it could have been if it had been on a premium cable channel. Joss Whedon talked about many things that he wanted to do, and say...in terms of taboo sex...and sexuality that the network just wouldn't allow. The networks are hypocrites, and the same is true of the advertisers. This stuff is on cable and in popular movies and reality shows, and the average kid sees it all the time. They watch The Sopranos, Sex In the City, Dexter, The L-Word, Weeds, True Blood, and Californication, etc., yes, they have seen it all, so it is ridiculous that the networks, the advertisers, and even the government, would continue to censor broadcast television. Cursing, nudity, and sex should be allowed on TV--as it is only a part of life. If Oprah can discuss it, and quite graphically, on her daytime show, Dr. Phil, The Doctors, Tyra Banks, Jerry Springer, and half a dozen court room reality shows, then I think the time of adult material being presented in scripted TV...is long overdue. The only reason for this continued two tier system, I think, is clearly in place to force people to pay for that adult content via cable premium channels. The system is fixed, it always has been. I hope Joss reboots the show in such a format, on a premium channel...as I think it will at least be a moral victory if nothing else.
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Deserves an Emmy for last night's portrayal of Victor imprinted with Topher. Like Herc, I've come to accept that it'll be gone before it's time. But hey, at least the show gets to finish up, unlike so many other genre shows of the past. And Media Messiah, I actually think Palin is more half-doll. I think she was functionally retarded and they "improved" her using Dollhouse tech to bring her to near-lower-primate levels of intelligence. They threw in half a Toastmaster's brain to make her capable of public speaking. By the way, someone accused me of being you, which I thought was really odd considering I had no idea who this person was or how he found me on another site. I told him I considered it a compliment and he reiterated. lol. I sure as shit hope you make more money than I do, because I could use the extra cash. With our sheer brainpower, creativity and skills of grandeur we could take over the world. Or Fresno. I'd settle for Fresno.
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...is often gross and perverted, and that is what Joss was trying to say with the show. And yes, Eliza is hot in a nasty sort of way. The sexiest girls are not necessarily model types, although they may be cute or pretty...or even plain janes, but what makes them hotter than most, including models, is a simmering sexuality that they hide just beneath the surface--something nasty, freaky, kinky, and crude, and that is hot!
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Dollhouse was incredibly ambitious and soared at times but could never keep thAt consistency. If it's been on syfy, we'd
probably still be talking about it for years to come. Problem is it's a bit all over the place. Without even going into the pointless eps we have the Alpha business, epitaph business, Echos new "mission" (which doesn't exactly work for me as a slavery metaphor since all of them willfully signed up to be dolls), ballards agenda and now all these new characters. So, which show is it? I wish they'd just stuck to the build towards Epitaph One this season and not wasted my time with echo as killer mommy of the weeks eps and that stupid serial killer guy. E One was their most promising episode by far.
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Thank you for the compliment. I'm in Northern California in a town much like Fresno...but worse. And no, I don't make more money than you. People with a conscience, like you and I, usually don't make much money, probably the reason why we both aren't millionaires and or billionaires right now? I have repeatedly refused to cheat people, lie, and or, abandon others to win and get my way--I have always, at least...in my adult life, wished to be fair and truthful...and only win by those means; sociopaths and narcissists (who make-up the majority of the populace) don't play by those rules, and as a direct result, they tend to rise to the heights of government and industry. But having a conscience, makes us good people, to a point, and that is the best success you can ever have!!! BTW, what site were you debating on? I'm always looking for a good site for refreshing debates.PS: Keep being an outside of the box thinker, the world needs more bold people like that to save it from itself. One more Sara Palin and the roaches will be picking on the bones of what is left after a nuclear war.
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It's on at like 3 am, and they're always acting like shitheads on there. I swear that one chick is a dumb ass.
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As for Friday's ratings, regular viewers probably forgot about the 4th being the night the show was back. I know I got reminded at the last minute, I reminded other people, too, and I know others who said the same thing. It's tough on any show to come back after hiatus, but without promotion.....next week will probably be higher. It being December doesn't help, either, since lots of people will have work parties on Fridays they have to make an appearance at, family things, holiday obligations, etc etc. DVR and Hulu might be higher this month than Dollhouse's usual numbers with them.
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I love it when people post these long reasons why they think the show isn't doing well. Uh, how about it SUCKED? That's a reason why people avoided it. BSG was in Fridays and a CABLE show for years, and it was huge in the ratings.
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Not only did Fox make a poor choice in prematurely cancelling Dollhouse, but they are compounding that error by advertising it lightly.
This 2-episode block was a very good set, not only for Summer Glau's quirky take on a complex character, but also for Victor (Enver Gjokaj)'s portrayal that out-Tophered Topher. Like another Joss series (Firefly), this one will bite the dust just as it's hitting its thematic stride.
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Youtube, under another name/account I use, which made it a little creepy since I've never mentioned on the account anywhere that I'm "gotilk". It was a private msg. I don't like getting into too many debate-like discussions on youtube, since they have the character limits. Cheers!
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...well, for the last few days, and it is ironc that I was trying to look this stuff-up just now on the net, and found no explanation? What exactly is an MSG?
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She's even less intelligent (yes that is possible)
More easily manipulated by big oil and business
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You Rock!!!
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After hours of watching, studying the ratings, researching the network strategy behind the show and the audience reaction I have come to a groundbreaking conclusion as to why the show has been cancelled. In summary.......the show sucked.
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Come on, this show was doomed to failure. Friday nights will doom you and there's already a few geek shows on. If this was on Monday at 9pm, this show would have much better ratings.
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...the show sucks. When you only have two or three good episodes per season and everything else is drawn out and largely meaningless predictable filler, centered around an actress who just isn't that engaging and who frankly doesn't have the range to convince an audience in multiple roles, then your show is going to fail. Even more so when you stick to the kind of highly predictable forula adventure of the week scripts that the show has poured out onto the airwaves week in, week out. This one isn't on Fox, who gave the show far more chances than it either earnt or deserved, both from a quality and ratings standpoint. No, this one is on Whedon, who clearly had no idea of what he wanted to do, and showed no real heart or interest in the show he was bringing forth, and so just strung audience along on a poorly structured formulaic show without any clear game plan or intent. Whedon was arguably fucked over on Angel, he was definitely fucked over with Firefly, but with Dollhouse he was the one fucking audiences over, with a mediocre show that has felt like little more than a paycheck job right from the start.
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Exactly correct. I have watched this show religiously (my husband, too) and neither of us remember that it was coming back in December. All of our other favorite shows are coming back in January or later, so we thought Dollhouse was too. As a result, we missed the first 15 minutes of the show.
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Totally ruined the ending to the monk saga. They made Trudy a cheating whore, then made Monk love her daughter from the guy that had her killed. Only parts that were done right were up till Monk had the Coach errr Judge digging -- It went completely down hill from there... Oh I can't say that because Randy became Police Chief and gets to live happily ever after with Sharona, so at least one character went out the way they were supposed to...
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Sorry but Dollhouse was horribly flawed from the git-go.
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crying on the sidelines.
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how nuts would it have been if both Tebow and McCoy lost yesterday? talk about throwing a wrench in the gears. Texas got that win handed to them on a silver platter.
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Texas's O-line definitely doesn't deserve to go to the championship but as William Munny said, "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
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i went to USC for all three years they made it to the championship (and lived with players, and flooded reggie bush's room and had to help him move out) and you got me thinking about 'deserving' to go to the big game--what matters to me is who has the most complete team. there is definitely a national bias (usc ranked WAY too high this year) and i don't want that bias to result in a championship blowout game--remember all the hype about USC / Oklahoma having four heisman players in a championship and O got DESTROYED? A championship game shouldn't ever be a blowout... is jason white even in the nfl?
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Personally, I think Texas should go to the Fiesta Bowl and be happy after the way they played their last two games.
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Media Messiah said: "The Great Debators, if that is the movie about racism (?), then racism is the antagonist."Seriously? Media Messiah -- storytelling does NOT need an antagonist that needs to be pointed out and labelled. You can't just take an abstract idea like racism and call it an antagonist. Can't you see this? CONFLICT drives EVERY story. Conflict can be created by one or more of FIVE elements. Racism is NOT an antagonist that the protagonist must overcome. Racism is created by SOCIETY, so the conflict is created by Man Vs. SOCIETY. You should stop being so defensive about not acknowledging these categories. If you want to be a writer, you MUST understand these concepts. Do you think I've created the catagories of Man Vs. Man, Man vs. Self, Man vs. Nature, Man vs Society and Man Vs. Machine? If so, I'm quite honored because that would be one hell of a narrative theory for anyone to come up with on a message board. Do some googling about these catagories--learn something you don't, but must (as an aspiring writer) understand. Using several of these catagories in one story can create a very rich, developed and compelling piece of writing.
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finally, some consistently good episodes ... i'm beginning to like this show ....
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but seriously dude, for your own sanity, give it up. He won't listen. I say this not as a fellow Talkbacker but as a Mutant Enemy mole who has been keeping tabs on Media Messiah for years.
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Whedon got fucked over HUGELY on Firefly... and so did all of us who were seriously digging that show. I am still so effing pissed that got canned, I see red when I think about it. Dollhouse, however, was at an art-student level of pretentiousness.
Oh and FUCK YOU LENO.
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You need to pay better attention. She dated the judge and had the baby when she was in college before she knew Monk.
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The fans ALWAYS kiss his ass, but Whedon ignores them and runs his shows into the ground. Why follow someone like that. Hell, at least Lucas and Spielberg listen to fans.
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first season was good, a little up and down going into the second, but Fridays 2 eps were really really good, to bad the rest of them were not as good, it might still be going on :(
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Dec 06, 2009 4:53:49 PM CST
If you think being a conservative = you're racist...
by blood_bubbles_in_bathwater
Then you need to read a fucking book. Stat. MLK Jr. was a conservative Republican, and the majority of white activists in the American Civil Rights Movement were conservatives as well. If Democrats/liberals are so fucking passionate about the betterment of black Americans, why do they pander to them as a demographic? And why are their policies aimed at keeping them on welfare, instead of focusing on education and opportunities? Because they seek to keep the country divided in hyphenated groups, instead of bettering everyone as individuals. By the way, I'm a white conservative who has lived with a fair amount of black people in a family setting. It's interesting that the people who call me racist often have fewer multi-racial/cultural friends and experiences than I do. Food for fucking thought. Watch something other than MSNBC for a fucking change.
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If Slater can't make it work, what chance does Dushku have?
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More Libertarian than Republican, but far from Democrat any way you look at it.
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Abraham Lincoln was Republican and freed the slaves. Fact: In the Mid-20th Century...a wide group of Republicans switched parties and became Democrats, and a large number of Democrats switched parties and became Republicans. My point is...the Democrats of today, are Lincoln's party, and today's Republicans are anything but that. As for someone like Senator Prescott Bush, Father of George Bush Sr. and grandfather to the our last President--he supported Hitler during World War II (you'll recall Hitler hated the Jews?), and Bush was nearly prosecuted for it, his support of the Nazis, by the U.S. Government, but he made a last minute deal with the Feds to save himself. I can go on about the Republican party. They supported the Confederate flag being displayed. They have been against equal rights, and tore down Affirmative Action programs...which thanks to a legal clause, mostly supported White women...put as a part of the race baiting attack against it, the Republicans said that it mostly, and unfairly, helped Minorities over Whites, which was untrue. The Republicans regularly claim that Blacks and Latinos are clogging the welfare system, when the truth is, the majority of people on welfare are actually White women and children, which is also a fact. And those programs have been diminished thanks to that racist baiting Republican assualt. Look, I don't care what color you are--when it comes to feeding our people, especially women and children, we should do it no matter what, however, the Republican theme has been..."Hey, most people on welfare are People of Color, who are lazy, so lets cut the budget." However, as I said...the biggest group on welfare are White women and children, something that evryone in goverment and the media knows, however, the conservative press lies about this fact, regularly, prefering to play with the numbers for political reasons, and as a part of their strategy, race baiting plays a prominent role? The widest group helped by Affirmative Action were White women...and Minority men, because of the clause that I mentioned...were actually the least to benefit because White owned companies could use that very clause to hire White women instead of Minorities; they could also pick and choose between hiring Minority women over Minority men because the women were seen as less of a threat. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity...and other hate radio and TV talk show hosts regularly receive talking points, daily, from the Republican party...and what you hear and see on there shows every day, is a non-stop assault on Minorities. That is a fact, and the Republican party, who courts them and helps to program their shows, even providing guests, says nothing? That is racist, and is against the teachings of Christ...and thus God. You can be in denial all you want, but the facts speak for themselves.
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He probably was a Republican (though to my knowledge there's never been concrete proof of that, but enlighten me if there is). He was born in a time not far removed from when the Republican party was known as the party of Lincoln, a liberal Republican who freed the slaves. But as the Democratic party turned more liberal, with FDR's New Deal and Truman desegregating the military and Kennedy then Johnson heavily immersed in Civil Rights, with Johnson ultimately signing the Civil Rights Act, who's to say with concrete evidence that near the end of his life he was still a Republican? The last cause he embraced was, after all, the cause of eradicating poverty in America. The reason he was in Mississippi in the week of his death was to support striking garbage workers and their union, which was protesting unsafe working conditions and low wages. As we've learned today, modern Republicans are largely anti-union and it took a Democratic congress to finally raise the minimum wage. In other words, I don't think claiming (even if true) that MLK was Republican in the first half of the 20th century is the same as claiming that he would be one today. The GOP has become so back asswards that people were bringing stuffed monkeys (wearing Obama stickers) to McCain-Palin rallies, Palin was accusing Obama of pallin' around with terrorists, and even today the GOP base of teabaggers is trying to de-Americanize the first black president with crap about his birth certificate. What do you think MLK would think about that? I think he'd be ashamed and what's more, I don't think he'd be welcome in the GOP. If they'll disavow moderates like Colin Powell, Arlen Specter, Joseph Cao, Mike Castle (R-Delaware) who was shouted down simply for suggesting the Obama is *gasp* American, I certainly don't think they'd let someone like King stay in their ranks.
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Art Bell is one. He believes that you should live and let live, under the Libertarian view. I share that viewpoint. If someone who is mentally stable, not a criminal, and wants to own a gun, I am all for it. If people want medical hemp, I say fine, etc.The problem with the Republcans is that they keep tearing down other Americans for political reasons, and often use racism and class to fuel their politics, and when one does that, they weaken the whole of America, and leave us open to our enemies, thus making us a better target, all due to the enemy within (racial hate).
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seriously dude, for your own sanity, give it up. He won't listen. I say this not as a fellow Talkbacker but as a Mutant Enemy mole who has been keeping tabs on Media Messiah for years, and have learned that Media Messiah doesn't read... i find it hard to believe that he read moby dick (he referenced it yesterday) but hasn't read Catcher in the Rye. Also, aside from the moby dick reference, all his examples of writing are movies or television. But that's OK, Whedon reads, those of us who work for Mutant Enemy read--Media Messiah is a watchful eye who keeps us from straying off track, he squaches fundamental mistakes before we make them, and (even though he's very secretive about it) he has been raised in the business, so we know our work is in good hands.
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get over it.
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get over it.
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Media Messiah said: "the Democrats of today, are Lincoln's party, and today's Republicans are anything but that"That sounds pretty much as 'history with an agenda' can possibly be. That is essentially appropriating Lincoln into democrat party so you can take away one of, if not the most, influential and greatest Republican president in history. i call bullshit on that. I would pay big bucks to follow you around a city finding black republicans and calling the republican party racist. It IS offensive--either you're telling a black republican he doesn't know anything about his party, or you're telling him he is racist.
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I was looking for the smiley faces that would prove this was some kind of joke.
Obama will kick Sarah Palin's ass from here to Pluto. The United States' destiny is not to be a theocratic freakshow run by people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old and that gays are second class citizens wit no rights they have to respect.
So is an empty headed zealot rallying the gun nuts, militia fruitcakes and skinhead tax protester types making a comeback not seen since Timothy McVeigh.
The only thing ripe for cancellation is the GOP which is headed towards all the relevance of the Whig Party.
Stick to fanboy movie worship. If you want to turn this site into a political free-for-all, I ready, but I suspect that will be the demise of anything having to do with entertainment discussion.
It never occurred to me until now to even think of you choice of party or political persuasion.
Whether Republican or Libertarian (basically Republicans who smoke dope), both groups have only their selfish self interest at heart and damn the rest.
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Media Messiah, you're making some bold statements--back them up with links to .edu or .gov sites that imply republicans are racist. Now, I'm not going to debate whether or not democrats or republicans have the best interest in helping a low-income family in low-income neighborhoods going to low-income schools--that stuff is all up for debate. BUT, 'low income' has nothing to do with race... if you think republicans aren't interested in helping a race of americans because they aren't interest in helping low-income families, then you would be the racist. There are (GASP!) black, middle class americans, you know....
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It was never going to be as good as Firefly. Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed Dollhouse and I love me some Eliza Dushku, but I just didn't get into it as much as I did with Firefly.
If only Firefly was still going, would be on its 7th season by now. Could have had Eliza written in and would have been even more amazing. -
This is no place for politics, but since the subject came-up, and Herc did comment, as well as others, I decided to give a balanced view of things.
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I think the heads of the Republican party are anything but racist, they are greedy and soulless businessmen and politicians who use racism to fatten their pockets and to cement their political control over this nation via their constituents who are brainwashed to an ideology. The KKK is the same in that regard. I don't believe for one minute that their leadership actually believes in their own racist propaganda--the game is however, is that they hope their members believe it, and they have been very successful in convincing them of that agenda, by playing on people's economic fears, and their need to blame others for their economic troubles, instead of those whom are truly responsible, and that is The Powers That Be. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc., aren't causing the financial downfall of Whites or American as a whole, it is the greedy power broker's in Washington D.C. who are responsible, from the Republicans to the Democrats, but just as long as they can keep using the game of "Divide & Conquer" against us, and we keep buying into it, they are cashing more fat checks, amidst buying more mansions, private jets, boats, jewels, and women--while the rest of us are left...with little or nothing, and trying to tear each other's throats out as we blame each other for our troubles, instead of those who really caused those problems in the first place, and those are the super and mega rich who run this country. All the info that I wrote previously, you can look up for yourself on the net. It is not propaganda...and is historical fact, but I suspect that you already know that?
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Problem was that Monk said he met Trudy in college in 1981 (in the Class Reunion episode). Here she said she was pregnant in 1983, before she met Monk. So apparently either she was cheating on him... or the writers screwed up.
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Dec 06, 2009 11:04:17 PM CST
Amended--Ryanbraun14: The Republicans Are Using Race Baiting
by media messiah
I think the heads of the Republican party are anything but racist--no, they are greedy and soulless businessmen and politicians who use racism to fatten their pockets and to cement their political control over this nation via their constituents who are brainwashed to an ideology. The KKK is the same in that regard. I don't believe for one minute that their leadership actually believes in their own racist propaganda--the game, however, is that they hope their members believe it, and they have been very successful in convincing them of that agenda, by playing on people's economic fears, and their need to blame others for their economic troubles, instead of blaming those whom are truly responsible, and that is "The Powers That Be". Blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc., aren't causing the financial downfall of Whites, or America as a whole, it is the greedy power brokers in Washington D.C. who are responsible, from the Republicans to the Democrats, but just as long as they can keep using the game of "Divide & Conquer" against us, and we keep buying into it, they will continue to cash more fat checks...at our collective expense, amidst buying more mansions, private jets, boats, jewels, gold, and women--while the rest of us are left with little, or nothing, and whilst trying to tear each other's throats out as we blame each other for our troubles, instead of those who really caused those problems in the first place; and those are the super, and mega, rich who run this country.
FYI: All the info that I wrote previously, you can look-up for yourself on the net. It is not propaganda...and is historical fact, but I suspect that you already know that? -
As I said, race baiters have falsely claimed that Blacks are the number one group on welfare for decades, when it turns out that is is White Women and Children who are the number one group on welfare. I say, support people who need help regardless of color. I am for helping all those who need it, including White Women and Children, however, the race baiters have lied about this for years hoping to play on one's bigotry, and that is a shame, as they would forward the belief that one human life is more important than another, based on color. To go to the link below, copy and paste it in your web browser, but delete any space or spaces that may appear in the address before you press the "enter" button on your computer keyboard, or you will be re-directed to an error message.
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The story of Mid-Twentieth Century Party splitting...and politicians party jumping.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
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...Affirmative Action. Read the last paragraph of the article. http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_edward_r_080331_misdirections_and_mi.htm
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Here is the correct address for the article. http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_edward_r_080331_misdirections_and_mi.htmShould the article not show...simply look-up the following title of the article as a search term (see below): Misdirections and Misconceptions: Welfare & Affirmative Action Part 2
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Dec 07, 2009 1:02:52 AM CST
Here's The Article, As The Link Isn't Routing Correctly
by media messiah
Misdirections and Misconceptions: Welfare & Affirmative Action Part 2
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SAVE AS FAVORITEVIEW FAVORITESBy Edward Rhymes PhD (about the author) Page 1 of 2 page(s)
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The same racial-scapegoating and demonization of Black folk in regard to welfare can also be seen in attitudes towards affirmative action programs. The term "affirmative action" was first introduced by President Kennedy in 1961 as a method of redressing discrimination that had persisted in spite of civil rights laws and constitutional guarantees. It was developed and enforced for the first time by President Johnson. "This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights," Johnson asserted. "We seek... not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result." In the "discussion" regarding affirmative action, phrases and words such as "quotas," "reverse discrimination" and "racial preferences" are vehemently and venomously flung about. Here I would like to address what is called affirmative action and what is not; what the dominant culture protests and what they disregard. I would like to first analyze the erroneous notions that are often connected to affirmative action. To answer the charge that affirmative action means quotas, one would have only to look to the Regents of the University of California v. Bakke of 1978 (I will be addressing more concerning this case further on) when the Supreme Court effectively barred quota systems in college admissions (and thereby barred its use in other venues as well). So quotas are dismissible because they are illegal. What is allowed under current affirmative action instead are benchmarks, targets and goals. Goals and timetables are set by employers for the employment of people of color and women, along with time frames for achieving these goals. Employers are encouraged to make good faith efforts but there are no legal penalties if they make good faith efforts and are unable to meet the goals.
To the question of affirmative action as reverse discrimination, let me begin by saying the phrase reverse discrimination itself needs to be done away with. Discrimination is discrimination and the reverse (or opposite) of discrimination is equity---the irony is that affirmative action in its conception sought to redress the impact of discrimination. Nevertheless, how can something be deemed reverse discrimination when White men still hold 95% to 97% of the high-level corporate jobs---and that's with affirmative action programs in place; when 93 percent of all college scholarship money goes to whites; when whites are more likely than members of any other group-once again, even with affirmative action in place--to get into their first-choice school. Additionally, in an analysis, the U.S. Department of Labor found that affirmative action programs do not lead to widespread reverse discrimination claims. It also found that a high proportion of claims that are filed are found to lack merit. These findings firmly refute the charge that affirmative action has helped minorities at the expense of whites.
Now, let's take a look at the "actual" racial preferences that do indeed take place. For example, the Jennifer Gratz case versus the University of Michigan in which she protested the 20 admission points awarded to students of color. The University of Michigan has a 150-point evaluation scale for admissions: Michigan awards twenty points to any student from a low-income background, regardless of race. Since these points cannot be combined with those for minority status (in other words poor Blacks don't get forty points), in effect this is a preference for poor whites. Then Michigan awards sixteen points to students who come from the Upper Peninsula of the state: a rural, largely isolated, and almost completely white area. Ten points are awarded to students who attended top-notch high schools, and another eight points are given to students who took an especially demanding AP and Honors curriculum--- according to Harvard's Civil Rights Project, Black students are only half as likely as whites to be placed in Honors or AP English or math classes and on average, schools serving mostly black and Latino students offer only a third as many AP and honors courses as schools serving mostly whites. As with points for those from the Upper Peninsula, these preferences may be race-neutral in theory, but in practice, because of intense racial isolation they are anything but (and Michigan's schools are the most segregated in America for Blacks according to research by the Harvard Civil Rights Project). Four more points are awarded to students with a parent who attended the U of M---because of past discrimination this is overwhelmingly white. So while Gratz and others focused on the mere 20 points allowed for underrepresented ethnic groups, they ignored the combination of 58 points that were overwhelmingly in favor of white applicants. Ironically and hypocritically, the Gratz case also focused on the few dozen students of color, with lower SAT's and grades who were admitted ahead of her, while disregarding, altogether, the 1400 white students who were admitted who also had lower SAT's and grades---and to their shame, the Supreme Court went for it. What has to be understood is that in a society that is saturated in racism and white privilege, even when policies appear to be race-neutral or color-blind, they are not.
This same distorted view can be seen in the Bakke case as well. Goodwin Liu in his essay "The Causation Fallacy: Bakke and the Basic Arithmetic of Selective Admissions," states that "in 1974, Bakke was one of 3,109 regular applicants to the medical school. With the racial quota, the average likelihood of admission for regular applicants was 2.7 percent (84 divided by 3,109). With no racial quota, the average likelihood of admission would have been 3.2 percent (100 divided by 3,109). So the quota increased the average likelihood of rejection from 96.8 percent to 97.3 percent." Liu goes on to further stress:" But even among these highly qualified applicants, eliminating the racial quota would have increased the average rate of admission from 16 percent (84 divided by 520) to only 19 percent (100 divided by 520). Certainly a few more white applicants would have been admitted were it not for affirmative action. But Bakke, upon receiving his rejection letter, had no reason to believe he would have been among the lucky few." Additionally, using 1989 data from a representative sample of selective schools, former university presidents William Bowen and Derek Bok showed in their 1998 book, "The Shape of the River," that eliminating racial preferences would have increased the likelihood of admission for white undergraduate applicants from 25 percent to only 26.5 percent. So if we rollback recognized affirmative action programs, while keeping in place the unrecognized and unacknowledged "racial preference" that works heavily in favor of whites we only perpetuate injustice. White preference remains hidden because it is more subtle; more ingrained, and isn't called white preference or privilege, even if that's the result.
There are other racial preferences to consider, such as jobs, mortgages and car loans. A recent Princeton University study of nearly 1,500 private employers in New York City, titled "Discrimination in Low Wage Labor Markets," showed that Young White high school graduates were about twice as likely to receive positive responses from New York employers as equally qualified Black job seekers; Ex-offenders face serious barriers to employment; a criminal record reduced positive responses from employers by about 35 percent for White applicants and 57 percent for Black applicants. The most profound discriminatory practice revealed in this study was that Black applicants without criminal records were no more likely to get a job than White applicants just out of prison. Also on the job front, another recent study revealed that dark-skinned African-Americans face a distinct disadvantage when applying for jobs. The University of Georgia study found skin tone more important than educational background for Blacks seeking jobs, even if they have resumes superior to lighter-skinned black applicants. This research is believed to be the first significant study of "colorism" in the American workplace. The evidence concluded a light-skinned black male can have only a bachelor's degree and typical work experience and still be preferred over a dark-skinned black male with an MBA and past managerial positions, simply because expectations of the light-skinned black male are much higher, and he didn't appear to be as "menacing" as the darker-skinned male applicant---so there appears to be a pecking order within Black applicants, with the greatest plums being reserved who are positioned, in terms of skin color, closer to whiteness. Add this to the 2002 General Social Survey that found that 71 percent of the people polled considered whites to be hardworking -- just 37 percent thought the same about blacks. About two in three people believed whites to be "well-educated." Just a little over one in three believed the same about blacks. Let us also consider the MIT-University of Chicago study that sent resumes to employers who had help-wanted ads in Chicago and Boston. Some applicants were given "white" names, such as Greg; others were given "black-sounding" names, such as Tyrone. The resumes with "white" names got 50 percent more callbacks, and well-qualified Black applicants drew no more calls than average Black applicants. Even the lower-skilled White applicants got more callbacks than the highly skilled Blacks. It is interesting that foreign-born workers in America (either legal citizens or those here on a work visa) are not penalized for their East Indian, Nigerian or Japanese names. On the contrary, their work has been sought and applauded by a great many companies---even to the point where "highly-skilled" immigrant workers would receive greater consideration than the "lower-skilled" laborers in the original draft of the defunct immigration legislation. How can we continue to say that racism is a thing of the past? How can we continue to deride affirmative action measures and turn a blind-eye and muted-voice to these pressing discriminatory practices?
Another area of concern is automobile purchases and financing. A 2003 Vanderbilt University study showed that Blacks were almost as three times as likely as Whites to be charged markups or loans financed by General Motors Acceptance Corp. When charged a markup, Black borrowers paid an average of $1229 in extra interest over the life of the loans, compared with the average of $867 paid by Whites---the study covered more than 1.5 million GMAC loans made between 1999 and April of 2003. The report found the differences to be nationwide, although they varied greatly among states. The biggest difference was in Wisconsin with Blacks paying 5 times more than Whites, and California with Blacks paying 1.3 times more. The report further showed that this discrimination was across the board regardless of the profession and credit rating of the buyer or the model of the car purchased. Another analysis of the most recent Federal Reserve Board's Survey of Consumer Finances data, completed on behalf of the Consumer Federation of America, found that in 2004, African-American car buyers paid much higher loan rates on new and used autos than white Americans.
On 2004 loans for new car purchases, blacks paid a median interest rate of 7 percent - compared with 5 percent for white borrowers and 5.5 percent for Hispanic borrowers. On used car loans, African-Americans and Hispanics both received considerably higher interest rates. The median rates for African-Americans and Hispanics were 9.5 and 9 percent respectively, compared with 7.5 percent for whites.
Additionally, CFA found that more African-Americans paid auto loan rates of at least 15 percent. For new car loans, 6 percent of African-American borrowers paid 15 percent or more, compared with just 1.7 percent for whites and 1.8 percent for Hispanics. On used car loans, 27 percent of black borrowers and 18.5 percent of Hispanic borrowers paid 15 percent or more, compared with only 9.2 percent of white borrowers, the analysis found.
Now let us turn our attention to another "racial preference," mortgage rates. A new report from the Federal Reserve finds black and Hispanic home buyers pay more for their mortgages than do whites. The analysis of 2005 home lending data found that nearly 55 percent of black borrowers paid a higher interest rate on home mortgages up sharply from 32 percent the year before. More than 46 percent of Hispanics paid more for their mortgages last year more than double the number reported in 2004.
In contrast, only 17 percent of whites paid higher interest on their home mortgages last year. Still, that was nearly double the number reported for 2004. Moreover, The Center for Responsible Lending said either loan sellers are charging higher rates to the minority customers or those borrowers are being steered to loan sellers that specialize in higher rates.
Using an industry database, the Durham-based nonprofit center compared credit scores, down payments and other financial information on about 177,000 loans made in 2004 by "subprime" lenders - companies that charge higher interest rates than banks. The lenders provided the borrowers' income and race. The study found that blacks were 29 percent more likely to pay a high interest rate on a fixed-rate home purchase loan. A Hispanic borrower also was more likely to pay a high rate, it found. So when these findings are coupled with the practice of redlining and predatory lending it means economic devastation to many Blacks and people of color---additionally, properties in predominantly Black neighborhoods appreciate at a much lower value than those in predominantly White neighborhoods. Robert Westley in essay Many Billions Gone wrote: "The practice of government-enforced and private 'redlining' in the home mortgage industry continued after 1950 through less blatant means than the restrictive covenant, leading to the current urbanization and ghettoization of Blacks, and the suburbanization and relative economic privileging of whites. Based on discrimination in home mortgage approval rates, the projected number of creditworthy Black home buyers, and the median white housing-appreciation rate, it is estimated that the current generation of Blacks will lose about $82 billion in equity due to institutional discrimination. All things being equal, the next generation of Black homeowners will lose $93 billion." Contrast Westley's hypothesis with the realization that the current baby-boomer generation of whites is currently in the process of inheriting between $7-10 trillion in assets from their parents and grandparents--property handed down by those who were able to accumulate assets at a time when Blacks and other people of color by and large couldn't.
This detailed account of actual or real racial preferences should make clear to those who both believe that the days of racial discrimination are over and that past discriminations don't have any bearing on this country in the here-and-now, that nothing could be farther from the truth.
Sadly, the voices of those who benefit the most from affirmative action are by-and-large silent---white women. The unadulterated fact is that affirmative action has helped whites more than people of color. Consider that gender is a major component of affirmative action. As a result, no group has benefited more than white women. And given that white women are more likely to be associated with white families, one could reasonably argue that whites (as they are, for the most part, the daughters, sisters and mothers of white men) have been the main beneficiaries of affirmative action. Nevertheless, in 1996 when Proposition 209 came before the people of California, 57% of White women voted in favor of it---even though just the year before, the United States Labor Department confirmed that the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action were indeed white women ("Reverse Discrimination," 1995). It seems to me a betrayal of epic proportions that after accumulating advantages as result of these programs, they now appear to be at best ambivalent or at worst hostile towards them. Tim Wise, white antiracist author and activist, in his essay "Is Sisterhood Conditional? White Women and the Rollback of Affirmative Action," wondered: "Why would white women increasingly come to view affirmative action in largely the same negative terms as the 'angry white men' about whom the media has made such an issue in recent years? Are white women thinking and voting more like white men on this issue because they identify their interests as being largely tied to those of white men--perhaps their husbands, or sons--and as such, are afraid affirmative action might restrict opportunities for loved ones and family members (Ladowsky 1995)? Is their ambivalence due to a false sense of efficacy and opportunity? Since white women have made some impressive gains over the past 30 years, do they now feel affirmative action is no longer needed (Burkett 1998)? Are white women essentially identifying more with their perceived racial interest, than gender or individual interest, and thus responding predictably to the 'racialization' of affirmative action in mainstream discourse? In other words, are white women hostile to affirmative action largely because of their own racial prejudice (Frankenberg 1993)? Or, was the failure to convince a majority of white women to vote against 209 simply a failure of resource mobilization? Not enough money? Not enough time? In other words, the message was right, the strategy sound-to target white women and emphasize the gender aspect of affirmative action--but the "good guys" were simply outgunned and outspent?"
The following statistics, to a great degree, can be traced back to affirmative action initiatives. From 1972-1993:
· The percentage of women architects increased from 3% to nearly 19% of the total;
· The percentage of women doctors more than doubled from 10% to 22% of all doctors;
· The percentage of women lawyers grew from 4% to 23% of the national total;
· The percentage of female engineers went from less than 1% to nearly 9%;
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I'm a long term Whedon fan, but Dollhouse has left me cold so far. The concept is just weak. I'm surprised it got a second season
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I enjoy Dollhouse and have defended it since day one. However, nobody should be surprised by these ratings. The network announced like a month ago that Dollhouse was cancelled and then pulled the show until just recently. Why would anyone bother watching now, and why would anyone who HAS been invested in the show care?
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...because now the series doesn't have to cater to moronic mouth-breathers who can't put a science-fiction narrative together unless it has the initials SG associated with it. In fact, NOBODY can watch it, and it will still get to finish its storyline in a coherent way...too bad T:SCC didn't get that chance, eh? I for one am happy thinking that only Dollhouse lovers are watching it, since it is now OUR series, and we can stop having to defend it to those wearing tights and watching Smallville in their parents' basements.
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Dec 07, 2009 1:16:20 PM CST
Liberals keep us divided "instead of bettering everyone as indiv
by kells
...you mean like universal health care?
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If you were paying very close attention all 8 seasons, you would be privy to the fact that Monk and Trudy met and were dating in 1980, Trudy had the baby from the Judge in 1982, two years into their relationship, note why she called it an "affair". The whole episode even missed ques from other episodes such as Monk finding out about Trudy while in the Birthing Center, when it was previously stated Monk was in the police station when they got the call. For a show about someone who is OCD they sure need to pull that OCD over to the writing staff.
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media messiah: I wanted FACTS. INterent articles do not equal facts. Facts come from .gov or .edu, and its laughable you cited wikipedia. and just cause someone has a Phd doesn't mean they don't have an agenda nor does it mean they are unbiased nor does it mean they understand politics.
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He claims to be a fully realiized individual who made it all on his own merit, and a self made millionaire, however, it turns out the he, Limbaugh, was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. That should tell you something about his lack of character. He, being a central theme of his own doctrine, is a liar to begin with, so what does that say about his doctrine?Now, let's talk about grandfathering programs that many colleges have, which almost guarantee applicants a position in their chosen schools...just as long as family members have attended that university or contributed monies to said institutions; the reason why George Bush got into Yale with a C grade average. Well, to do that folks, that means that the George Bush's of the world are getting into universities at the price of displacing people with A and B grade averages. So it is an issue of race and class.How are you going to get around grandfathering programs to compete on a equal level with someone else, when those programs were set-up in the days of segregation? The same is true if you grew-up poor or lower middle class, or middle class, regardless of race, you cannot compete on the same level as a rich kid, thanks to grandfather programs. Can you win a race, when it is...that very race that you are in...where someone else is given a handicap...a someone who gets to start the race 100 yards ahead of you? Answer, save for a small few, you can't! The grandfathering programs are nothing but Affirmative Action...and Welfare for the rich, but do you hear Republicans demanding the repeal of such programs? Do Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, or Bill O'Reilly demand the end of such programs in the interest of individualism? Answer: No...because they are hypocrites. The system is rigged, and they are all for it, just as long as it benefits them, their friends, and their families, and that is the problem with the conservative view--as it is based on hypocrisy, not true democracy. BTW: The Bible clearly says that "God Hates Hypocrites", and that is stated multiple times in the pages of the Bible, FYI.
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Check the 7th line in the article that I posted on Affirmative Action and White women being the number one beneficiaries of Affirmative Action. The United States Labor Department confirms that very fact, as I said, in the 7th line of the last paragraph. That is a fact! The Dixiecrats are a fact, which led to party jumping in the mid-20th Century...as well, I have backed up the information about Prescott Bush, which is also fact, and the Welfare stats that show that White women and children are the number one group on welfare, etc. You are simply being disingenuous...since you have been confronted with facts that you don't like, ones which don't fit your world view.
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And the internet explodes. You all should know better.
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The Republicans haven't been the party of Lincoln in decades. You can't be the party of Lincoln if you salute the flag of Jefferson Davis. You also can't be the party of Lincoln if no less than THREE of your Governor's are flirting with Secessionists.
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I tried watching it really, but the guy was sooo weird and goofy. Ugh. Good riddance.
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the nutter needs Thorazine by the bucket loads.
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That's too bad because the show has LDP in it and he's cool.
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That franchise needs to just go away. And Herc, I assume you're kidding about Sarah Palin, right? Right?!
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not only the first, but also the second black secretary of state in history. Just sayin'.
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Dec 07, 2009 11:36:42 PM CST
SGU hasn't lost any of it's audience: renewal expected
by thesecondquest
Though the "live" ratings have dipped slightly- they do so in relation to a rise in "live + 7 days" ratings, which results in SGU maintaining it's audience since the premiere. The DVR viewings often gives SGU an extra half million viewers on average, above the following figures for viewers (in millions): Air, Part 1 & 2: 2.35; Air, Part 3: 2.45; Darkness: 2.10; Light: 2.02; Water: 1.97; Earth: 1.63; Time: 1.80; Life: 1.9. SGU is Syfy's second highest rated show after Ghost Hunters, and though the renewal hasn't been announced yet, they are already writing scripts for Season 2 as the renewal is very likely.
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Star Gate: Unbelievablyghey...
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half way through it's 2nd season
Disapointed fans of the original 2 series are still tuning in hoping for the best
That will change radically next season
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Mr Monk goes to New York
They had a way too long jack hammer gag in that ep
And after that all the gags seemed to be too long
To me anyway
I can still watch the show once and awhile, but burn out quickly
Still need to catch the finale
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Mr. President could you please finish reading that GQ article about yourself and get some work done?
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SG: Phew
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