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Cameron, Worthington, and Zoe Will Talk To You About AVATAR...Live...This Afternoon!!
Merrick here...
If you're going to be around a computer in a few hours, you'll have a chance to interact with James Cameron, Zoe Saldana, Sam Worthington, and see a "new" clip from AVATAR.
This Thursday at 3 p.m. ET, we'll stream this live online show, in which viewers get to interact with the folks in front of the camera, asking the questions they really want answered. Hosted by MTV Movies managing editor Josh Horowitz, the 30-minute event will feature Cameron and two of the film's stars, Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana, plus exclusive "Avatar" footage. Viewers will be able to submit their questions in real time via Facebook and MTV.com
...says MTV HERE.
The Facebook page referenced above can be accessed HERE.
Some of us won't be free to check this out, but if a brave soul wants to drop a quick synopsis of the event into the Talkbacks below, I'm sure doing so would be much appreciated by those who'll miss the event.
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Hopefully someone will ask them why they are hiding the film from many film critics. Found out two days ago, they are playing the same number of limited screenings as they had for "Wolverine." Not a good sign if you ask me, which sucks, because I love Cameron.
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...this movie is very meh-ish...I rather see that Titantic 2 sequel that Vince Vaughn and I think Ben Stiller pitched to Cameron durin a MTV movie award... that had serious potential
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it's gonna be 2 hours of Zoe and Sam Worthington sucking Camerom's 300 millions dollar dick-and then saying "mmmm mmm, tastes great too!"
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Has anyone seen his interviews? They're always so awkward, and you get the feeling that all the actors immediately regret granting him an interview and they look like they're restraining themselves from punching this douchebag in the face. Fuck this guy.
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Hell it's premiering next week.
show me a link that says otherwise. -
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2008/01/mtv-guy-creeps-tom-hanks-out Freak of nature. And check out the James Franco interview too. Total failure there.
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http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/mirrored/hr_Avatar_42.jpg
For the record: the press will be there the 10th in London and 16 th in LA
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Nothing special to see here
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Pre-Phantom Menace and pre-Crystal Skull, talking about how critics don't get it, don't know what they're talking about, shouldn't be listened to etc. Not promising. . .
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screenplay3 is correct. It unveils next week.
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That rumor started on the various message boards out there.
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Oh... The important Zoe. Sorry.
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...But played FOR KEEPS.
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Dec 03, 2009 11:08:23 AM CST
Sam Worthington- Star Face / cardboard personality
by zombieheathledger
His primal scream when he first emerges from the pit/mud in Terminator Salvation was laughably bad. The rest of his performance with his on again/off again accent was a competiton with Bale to see who could be the most underplayed. I'm guessing more of the same from him in AVATAR.
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...saw the Avatar trailer in the movie house again this weekend, and while some of the visuals are still looking awesome as all get-out, criminy, everything else is radiating a pretty... dare I say it... mediocre... vibe... god, please let me be horribly wrong...
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The AVATAR apologist/studio plant crowd is usually here by this point to start screaming "Hater!" and decrying even the slightest of concerns...
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...well he certainly better than that cardboard of a human who played Dookie in GI Joe... that movie was the only time I actually left the theater durin an "action" scene to get a soda... effin aicn and theyre rave reviews...
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. . .insisting it deserves the #1 spot sight unseen.
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meh...
yea that shot is pretty insane if its all cgi.
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http://witt.wittypedia.com/2009/11/avatar-this-film-excites-me-more-now/ -
He's perfect for this kind of crap.ALL he would talk about is how the film cost 1 billion dollars, and how beautiful the location jungle is where they filmed it(UNAWARE ITS ALL C.G.)
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BATTLE ANGEL seems to be his next film. I know TRUE LIES 2 is dead, but I still want to hear JIM say it.......
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I hate fucking myspace type bullshit, I dont want to sign up to FB just to watch. GHEY!
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...but you could meet other peanut butter sluts on there... doesnt that make it less ghey?
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...because Twitter is full of fucking arseholes.Harsh, but there it is.
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Why not make 'Alien 3'?Start it with the Sulaco cut adrift and the cryo units working, but leaking. That way, you can justify an older Sigourney, Biehn and get some teen hottie for Newt. Then simply take it from there in a Big Jim stylee...What's that you say? There's already been an 'Alien 3'? No. No, there hasn't. Believe me, there hasn't.
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Thank God I just rented it. Tried it for about an hour and gave up. Yea I know movie to game adaptations usually suck, but for such an anticipated title, that has Cameron's name above the title also....Does anyone know the running time of the movie? If its 2 1/2 hours or more, I have a bad feeling about it. Sometimes, even for Cameron, less is more.
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Dec 03, 2009 12:41:03 PM CST
BurnHollwood, then allow me to address the balance
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
HATER!!No, seriously, I think the pro-Avatar crowd just doesn't give a shit about "defending" this movie from the irritating morons here anymore - and why should they? Take that 'apologist' (nobody needs to 'apologise for fuck all) and 'plant' crap, and - respectfully- shove it where the sun don't fucking shine!!Ah, two weeks now. In the words of Killian from The Running Man -"What time is it? shhh....Showtime!" A three ring circus, and Cameron is the ringmaster.
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Simply because I'm sick of reading and hearing about it. I think it'll make it's money back, but it's not going to be a cultural touchstone like "Titanic" or "The Dark Knight".
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http://bit.ly/6N8289
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The CGI looked like a really good cartoon in the trailers. So really good, but, errr, a cartoon. It didn't look real.
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You get 100 people asking the same dame questions.
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Respectfully:
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AS FUCKING USUAL IT ONLY WORKS IN THE US.
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What's worse is that someone actually took several hours to make that in all likelihood.Just waiting for The Smurfs and Thundercats mash-ups now; where the wit flows like fine wine, and the satire is as sharp as, er...cotton candy.
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unfortunately i didnt know what program to use to record the interview.
but anyway,the interview was short,but it was fun.
Cameron,Zoey and Same answered several questions,they had great humour,they spoke about some of the funny incidents they had during the shooting of the film,and there some,behind the scenes videos,which showed how they shoot the scenes where Zoey rides the banshee,and she teaches Sam how to use the bow.
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during an outdoor shootout,i think in a tourist location.Sam was doing a scene with Zoey,and Cameron was filming them with a hand-held camera.a tourist was walking there,and asks them if they are a couple on honeymoon.Sam answers him that they are filming a movie,and the man with the handheld camera is James Cameron.
and the tourist says: 'and he fell from Titanic,down to this?'
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Dec 03, 2009 3:20:12 PM CST
FOR HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THE PRO-AVATAR CROWD KEEP KIDDING THEMS
by mrdck
It's hilarious. All I keep reading is "It's Big Jim so it HAS to be great" or "Iron Jim ALWAYS delivers" when painstakingly obvious to everyone else with eyes and a brain that Avatar will suck big time. A lame story, obvious cartoony CG, mediocre or has-been actors, Fox shielding it from the critics as long as they can...what more evidence do you need? Yet they cling onto the belief that their messiah will somehow pluck victory from the jaws of defeat, like McCain's supporters did at the last election. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the shit storm when it hits.
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And damn proud of it. I know I know, it looks really good and will have badass action but you are right. Its not a remake, reboot, and not a sequel so it will suck. Who cares that this is a state of the art action/Sci Fi/Fantasy film directed by Jim Cameron? I am sorry for you mrdck.
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Avatar looks fucking great. Fox isn't shielding it numbnuts. The CG is the best ever, and the story (from what we know) is more then fine.
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Dec 03, 2009 3:50:32 PM CST
I am going with a group of TWENTY people on openingsday
by sherlock_junior
Maybe even more, if some of them mail me back.
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Caught it last night and HOLY FUCKING FUCK! Anyone who saw that and isn't totally geeked out for this film is dead inside. The side-by-side comparisons of the mo-cap and finished scenes really brings home what JC has accomplished in capturing not only broad motion, but nuances of facial expression that will bring these CGI characters to life like we've never seen before. My eyeballs have been well and truly fucked; I had to take them out for a smoke afterward.
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in Greece.If i see it,i will send a review to Harry.
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To a certain degree I understand that. As a Tarantino fan, I eventually stopped reading Inglourious Basterds talkbacks, I just couldn't handle all the venom being spread around. On the other hand, Avatar fans, not all of them obviously, but a very vocal segment of them, invited hatred by hyperbolic attempts to frame the film as a massive "game-changer" and pre-emptively labeling it the best film of the year, or as seen in Mr. Beaks' top 100 of the decade talkback, best of the decade. For my purposes, I try not to outwardly "troll" my skepticism for the film around, but its difficult to resist at least a few playful jabs when every time James Cameron farts it seems to warrant a new talkback here. Personally, I'll be amazed if I do like it for precisely the reason you expect to enjoy it, Cameron's prior track record. I consider Terminator 2 mediocre (of course I loved it when I was 12), Abyss about the same, and I outright loathe Aliens, Titanic, and True Lies. I realize this puts me in the minority of film-goers and critics alike, but there it is.
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do. Yeah, i liked Abyss, and T2, but the rest of his films, I haven't seen in many years.
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Never was a truer word spoken.
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the US economy would be fixed by January.
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...how is this talentless Z-list turd landing A-list roles?
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Look like movies. That's the fucking point!!! Look. In a year where JJ Abrams was spoken about in the same breath as Spielberg, and most of the 'big' movies were shitty sequels or shitty TV show rehashes, Jim Cameron, one of the very few, genuinely talented film-makers around is returning to a genre which made his name. Now he can push the limits a bit far (the end of The Abyss) but he's never dull. Avatar is gonna be an epic, cinematic, engrossing, exciting, event picture. Some of it might not work, or the whole thing might be amazing, but i'll guarantee one thing - It'll be unforgettable.
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Heh. Yeah I don't get this sudden hate for Cameron. I don't know if it's because of the internets or what, but it's weird there's a sudden outpour of hate toward a guy that made many a geek lovers films.
But I think to use Lean as an example may backfire on you. You just may get eaten alive by some people. Good luck and Godspeed. Heh.
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pg13 for intense epic battle sequences and warfare, sensuality, language and some smoking. Result.
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How was there such an intense defense of Michael Bay before that piece of **** Transformers 2? But James Cameron has retards claiming "it will suck!". To you people who claim it will suck/flop, you're not talking about Roland Emmerich or Stephen Summers. This isn't the man who made Independence Day or Bad Boys. This is the Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola of action. He has made the Goodfellas and The Godfather's of action film. If you don't feel deep nostalgia for Aliens or Terminator II, then you don't know action films. The worst we can expect is a True Lies, which is light years above GI Joe, 2012, and .... Transformers II. And if crap like Transformers II (and it was crap) makes a lot of money, then Avatar will definitely make money. That's worst case scenario. The best case is we get a Terminator II, or an Aliens (which Roger Ebert called the most intense film he's ever seen), or a Titanic. Anyone who smugly proclaims Avatar will flop, in a world where crap makes money, because people are so desperate for anything that will entertain them, when the maker is commercially the most successful film director of all time, just because a few 2D clips didn't blow your mind, then you know very little about the industry you claim to be a fan of.
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cut-scene..."And which game console runs these graphics? I want one.
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Yeah, most video games I've played can't even get the fucking camera working right.
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... graphics?"
Mom-Station.
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and he brought Arnold and DiCaprio to the masses. The man has a huge eye for talent.
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for shame. hang your heads.
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I think something everyone that trolls Avatar's visuals forgets, is that its been made to be seen in 3-D. Of course is might be a pile of Do DO, but the point remains, see it before you dismiss it.
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his dislike for the (horrible) trend to shoot everything in extreme shaky cam. Right on.
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I borrowed your last night."That's funny.
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released yesterday and it got trashed by all the major gaming sites,its really bad.
Meanwhile Cameron every time he is on interview,doesnt lose to advertise the game,and tell how great it is and how much he collaborated with Ubisoft to create the game,and that he took ideas for his movie from the game,and ofc we all know his latest comment that he is going to make the sequel movie,together with Ubisoft.
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I find both sides hilarious, given that neither has seen it.
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...to the hardcore porn version, probably to be called "Avatass" or, "Avatart".
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videos they showed in the interview.
They had Zoe riding a fake replica of the banshee,which was moving like flying,by the crew members using a system of ropes.
They also had Zoe throwing real arrows with a real bow.she acctually won a bet with Jim,which had to do with the scene from the trailer,where she runs,stops and shoots the arrow.
when they were shooting that scene,Cameron put a target near her,and said that she wouldnt hit it,if she runs and then stops to shoot the arrow.Zoe put a bet with him,and she won by cheating: she run,stopped and took her time to focus on the target and then shoot the arrow.
Two things that i found a bit funny were these:
The scene from the trailer,where Zoe rides a horse,well they had her to ride a real horse inside the studio (!),while the crew members were motion capturing the scene.
and the second funny thing was in the scene from the trailer where Zoe teaches Sam how to use the bow.when they were shooting that scene,they had sam and zoe with the tribal paints on their faces,sam was naked above his waist,and they both were wearing blue leggins with blue plastic tails attached on them !! i know they use the tails as reference point for the cgi artists,but still they looked funny with that clothing.anyway. -
for all the doomsayers excuses when this motherfucker cleans up worldwide. Cameron is about to take a giant shit all over the JJ's, McG's and Bay's of this world.
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For the Cameron-suckers excuses when this disappoints or outright bombs. 250 is the roof I think, King Kong's numbers plus a bit of inflation.
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You're making the fatal mistake of underestimating James Cameron. He is smarter than you.
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My vote: Haveahard
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and I'll say it again. I speak to guys every day who've been going back and forth to Camerons' crib delivering post equipment. They've seen ALOT of Avatar footage (in 3-D and 2-D) and I can tell you all, the naysyers are talking out of there ass. These guys are over the fucking moon about it. I even told them about all the negativity towards the film on this site. We laughed our asses off.
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True that.
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I can understand healthy skepticism; but they're making up lies that the movie isn't screening for critics, and trying to damage the movie by spreading that claim in talkbacks?
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After the original "Avatar" has cleared $1 billion worldwide box office and blown a hole through the roof of DVD sales... THIS is the version I'd like to see.Not to take away from Stephen Lang, who I'm sure will be terrific, but the character of Colonel Quadritch seems bereft of mirth and/or humor. Removing Lang and inserting footage of John Candy as Uncle Buck(an iconic, manly hero in his own right)would be a hoot. Also, it could give Jim Cameron closure, since he originally tapped Candy for the role of Bruce Ismay in "Titanic".
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Dudes who lug camera equipment are usually so smart and have great taste!
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Because I'll bet these dues also love stuff like WILD HOGS and OLD DOGS.
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And is that the best you can do? Really? :). Try harder.
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y don't u carry your sorry ass back 2 the mormon paedo wankfest tb, u know, the nu moon sparklers! apparantly, the only taste you have is in your mouth (that's what he said). signed: your friend
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YOU did, saying they're the guys who go back and forth carrying equipment for Cameron.I've made a pronouncement I'm not going to bad-mouth the actual movie, but you're the one who came out swinging saying you had proof that the movie was good in the form of these equipment-luggers. Sorry, but a bunch of fat backstage fucks who probably say "youse" every other word between chomping cigars will not change my opinion one way or another.
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nobody said it wasn't being screened, but they're sure doing everything they can to limit the screenings without looking too suspicious to the mainstream press,. Consider that this movie is getting the same "screening" treatment as WOLVERIONE. Uh-ooooohhhhhhh.
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Dude, you are seriously cracking me up. Actually I said they deliver post equipment. Which means they're highly trained technicians with degrees and they're walking around Camerons' place because they know their shit. Cameron wouldn't have them there if they didn't. You, of course, are thinking of grips and teamsters. But, please keep talking about people you don't know or have never met. It's right in line with your comments on a movie you haven't seen yet. Hmmm. I'm seeing a pattern.
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pleas excuse chipmunk, she's just a fat fuck on a sofa, stuffing her face with twinkies, looking at pictures of twinks (her word) like taylor lautner, the pasty white shirtless wonder from the best movie ever made, nu moon, while the batteries in her dildo verge on meltdown mode from overuse. signed: your friend
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We will actually be able to see what the fuck is going on for the first time in at least 10 years!!! Be happy.
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Thanks for posting your thoughts of the live feed. I wasn't able to see it so it's nice that you took the time to share. Cheers mate.
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Dec 03, 2009 9:21:56 PM CST
This is the last chance for Avatar haters to get their licks in
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Because they will be exposed for the negative, pig ignorant fools they are in 2 weeks time.
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But not this? And continue rambling on ad nauseam about things you know nothing of?The reason there is no preview screenings is nothing to do with shoddy product whatsoever - it's simply because, having kept this thing fairly under wraps for so long, Cameron doesn't want a bunch of fanboy cum stains and uppity critics spilling all the surprises at once and making immediate snap judgments. This is not just your average movie here. Cameron wants to hold things back and not soil the uniqueness of the experience for first time viewers. Why upset the apple cart now after keeping a tight ship for so long?
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I'm not gonna speak ill of it, but you gotta admit the WOLVERINE comparisons are there.
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... I am paying to see AVATSR. *sigh*
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Examine the following picture:
tinyurl.com/yhpsc2d
Question: How much of the image is CG?A: It's all live actionB: It's the actor in the prop set against a CG backdropC: Actor composited into a CG robot and CG backgroundD: The entire image, including the character of Stephen Lang is 100% CGAnswer: D, as confirmed from CGTalk. -
y don't u save your money for that stephenie meyer pseudo paedo crapfest, seeing it for the 8th time will give you more insight into the wonderful world of werewolves and vampires. i'm glad i have stock in the gap cause every time those bare chested beauties of yours transforms their clothes disappear, money to be made there, or do they magically reappear when they change back....signed: your friend
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Dec 03, 2009 9:55:00 PM CST
WTF? Are you Avatar haters really that desparate?
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Not only are they actually screening for the press on Dec.10th, you actually draw some half-assed connection between a shit bomb like Wolverine and Avatar? This is the kind of tenuous, wafer-thin and substanceless garbage that makes the anti-Avatar crowd look like a laughing stock (ditto the Lucas/Cameron comparisons). Avatar has only been FINISHED in the last few days and as I stated, isn't been shown until near release becuase Cameron wants to keep it under raps.Jesus - Cameron hasn't even earned the right not to be compared to a generic TV-movie level pile of crud like Wolverine? Are you honestly and truly expecting Avatar to be on that level of quality? I weep for you.Still, nice to know you'll be seeing it on the big sceen where it's intended to be seen, and not on TV. Somehow,though, Spymunk I get the feeling that even if Avatar proves to be a home run and a box office smash (and it will,let there be no doubt) that you won't change your tune. You simply can't help yourself. Planet Spymunk is in a different galaxy from the rest of us.
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Once again I am in your debt, thanks for keeping me current with the goods.
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Dec 03, 2009 9:57:27 PM CST
Yes, perhaps you should save your money
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
For a life sized blow up doll of Taylor Lautner. I'm sure you will get more pleasure out of that.
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So I won't. Wouldn't mind seeing the Q&A but the day I willingly sign up for Facebook is the day I give up on life. Uh, moreso than now.
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Heard any articles about pre-sales of AVATAR at local theaters? :)
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I'm curious. I have not heard even a peep about big pre-sale ticket #s for AVATAR. Haven't heard that they're selling even "well," let alone huge numbers. Anyone got any contradictory info?
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Do you assume to use the lack of that information as a justification for you're confused opinions?
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I'm not using it for anything. I'm wondering if the silence is indicative. It was me ACTUALLY wondering based on what was said and the fact that the pre-sale tix have been available months in advance.
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FFS, lay off on the NEW MOON shit. Yes, I liked that movie. I've used it as a contrast to AVATAR. I'm not trying to piss on your parade.
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I am going to be 100 percent open-minded. And if it's good, I'll say so. I already admitted the Na'avi are hot to me. Whatevz.
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let's at least let it hit the theaters or get some early reviews before giving it the heave ho...many thought Titanic was going to bomb, with its delays, running time and massive budget I think Cameron will hit it out of the park, but, i guess we'll have to see...
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many IMAX showings are already sold out, I know that. The BFI one in London is sold out for the entire first week according to their website. Make of that what you will.
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I'm glad to see a genre film is being received well, so far. ;) I mean that - no lie. No sarcas.
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just ignore him. just an attention seeking troll trying to pass himself off as a 'concerned' geek.
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Hedging your bets is all I see from you quite honestly. Debating with you is like having a philosophical discussion with a Christian. It's like a pretend discussion really, because they will never once actually consider anything but the dogma they've already ascribed to. They'll say they're considering your points, yet continuously come back to the same presumptions they started with in the first place. Usually it's all just lip-service and ends up quite enormously insulting, while also being an epic waste of time. So please, just shut the fuck up already.
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A 21st Century CGI style Smurfs.
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That's Avatar hitting the cinemas baby!
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You can watch it here, though the quality isn't good:
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The guy's fucking insane!
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And man, that CGI smurf shit is hilarious! Genius even! How did you ever come up with that one?
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I'm a spaz, not a geek or nerd.
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Do you have some sort of inside source and/or time machine?
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didnt you guys see that south park episode? when i thought i couldnt respect matt and trey more, they pull another genius stunt. that was the most creative thing they've ever done! i mean, i've NEVER EVER once heard the geeks refer to avatar as dances with smurf before they showed it on the air. and i think cameron held a special private screening of the film for them, since they seem to know how the entire story would play out.
god, i just love that show more and more nowadays. south park is a class act compared to the simpsons. you saw how bart was portrayed in one of the episode? cartman thinks he's way cooler because he's actually killed people in a sadistic manner when bart could only, i dont know, make his sister cry or something. damn that show is so extreme to the max yo! -
Dec 03, 2009 11:54:52 PM CST
southpark jumped the proverbial shark years ago
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Load of crap. It is to The Simpsons what Michael Bay is to James Cameron.
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dont you know that trolls have the ability to time travel? they're gifted that way. that's why people sometimes refer to them as being 'special'. come on, try to keep up, okay.
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hmmm.. that reminds me of the south park epic saga where EVERY baddies/monsters/aliens/horror freaks from pop culture are jammed together for total mayhem 3 episodes worth, i repeat... THREE EPISODES WORTH. michael bay? ppfft! if you think cgi robots mayhem hurt your eyes, try hundreds of badly colored crudely designed paper cutouts having a mayhem for three episodes back to back.
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It's...it's like I was actually THERE:
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Time Travel! I marvel at their inexplicable ability to insert their heads into their own rectums! That always amazes me.
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no story, fear not. matt and trey slipped a story in there of cartman needing his dick be sucked by kenny. what did i tell you? EXTREME TO THE MAXXXX!
and i love how they always whine(and brag at the same time) of how their ideas were always 'snatched' by the simpsons, and so they had to come up with alternate inferior ideas. love that episode! whine away trey and matt! but of course you two will still see that dances with smurf movie, you hypocrites you. :) -
good call. i completely forgot about that special power. and it's also a scientific miracle that they can command their fingers to type on their computer while seemingly possesing of zero brain cell.
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Dec 04, 2009 12:38:04 AM CST
AVATAR made me think of a favorite Pat Paulson quote:
by thusspakespymunk
"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian." -- Pat Paulson
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The SMURFS thing on SP was a cheap gag. Better would've been one of their more intelligent parodies where Cameron's gamechanger really did fuck your eyeballs.
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I actually really appreciate that first post of the two above me. Also I wanna say I just saw your post concerning A.I., and am actually quite stunned. That film is one of my all-time favorites as well. On this we can agree. So I guess I had you wrong man, but I still think you're focusing on some strange things concerning this one. Who really knows though? We shall all soon be finding out, for better or for worse.
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Crap like Transformers 2 and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and New Moon and Spidey 3 and Night at the Museum and Alvin & the Chipmunks and Shrek the third...etc. etc.... all while the HMFIC sat on the sidelines, these steaming piles of crap made tons of money! I can't wait to get out of Kansas! This ain't no sequel or remake or adapted screenplay from some popular book (or comic book) series. It's big Jim taking everything he knows (and inventing some new things) and throwing it into this project! His track record is plenty enough credit to give him at least the benefit of the doubt until we've seen the movie. Wether you like James Cameron and his films or not, if you've sat through any or all of the crap films listed above, then even if Avatar is a steaming pile of shit it won't change the way we already smell...we've been covered by it already. I go to sites like AICN for movies and filmakers like James Cameron...ain't it cool news? Hell, yeah! See you at the theater in two weeks.
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Watching bttf2, and realized it's a true prediction of what's gonna happen.
Black Man becomes elected into an office of power which previously was thought unattainable [check]
Pre made food you can "steam" to hydrate and cook (those new steamer bags) [check]
3D movies where creatures come off the screen at you [check, Avatar will usher in this new era]
Flying Cars that Obama has invented to save the Economy [check]
Flat Screen TV's (as seen in the mc fly household) and internet (also hinted at by web cam cahtting in the mc fly household) [check]
The Prius (look at any pos future car from BTTF and there you go) [check plus plus]
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Mc Fry, I most extremery monitor Face Brook chat, you a fire Mc Fry -_-
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I agree, that tool from G.I. JOE was the WORST! If I heard him say, "Anna, drop the case!" one more fucking time I was gonna projectile vomit all the way to the screen.
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Yeah, fuck casually keeping in touch with lots of old/new friends online (who you maybe wouldn't necessarily call nearly as often as you communicate through FB). You fucking anti-social retards...
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I am a late comer to South Park fandom, but I fully love it now. "FUCK-a YOU, WHARRRES!"
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...On fuckhead screenwriters second-guessing the source material and ruining a story instead of just sticking with the gawddamn original premise.
Who the fuck takes a great character like The Baroness (sinister German aristocrat with delusions of grandeur and a taste for PVC outfits...the hottest foreign-ed teacher in school merged with a dominatrix) and turns her into a fucking blonde(!) American fiance who was tricked into "joining the dark side" of COBRA.
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Will you make sure someone posts a video of you killing yourself on youtube after AVATAR turns out to be extremely entertaining and makes a lot of money? Because I would like to watch you die.
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Not sure I'd be so proud of that. Hell, even Lucas had Ford. Come to think of it - has there ever been a major-talent director who has done LESS in developing new talent than Mr Cameron? Only one I can think of top o my head would be Olly Stone developing Charlie Sheen ... yikes...
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...I don't know why I hate you as much as I do. None of these other douchebags piss me off at all, but I really think I hate your fucking guts. Maybe it's the fact that you play this ridiculous character...this autistic, right-wing faggot troll character that you are so dedicated to...I don't know...all I know is, I hope you die.
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We're supposed to die if we don't show proper interest in a movie? Relaxx, people, just relax. Live and let die! (ooops)
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ends up making more money than this.
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YEAHHHHHHH
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Transformers 2 was hilarious. Enough said.
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i though that was already pretty obvious..
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How can your eyebals get fucked if you wear 3d glasses? Enlighten me...
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Sorry, couldn't resist. :P
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Omnius is a modest guy. That is, he has a lot to be modest about.
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Ah, temptation... it's getting all over me.. here I go again
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This thing will do about as well as Batman Begins. Hell, I remember seeing that in a nearly empty IMAX theater.
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and their whoreish product placement of AVATAR for like a total of 20 minutes? Fox must have threatened cancellation or something.
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http://bit.ly/4oNx88
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But I was at my folks place while they were watching said show. I perked up hearing the mention of AVATAR and thought it was a little ridiculous to use the show to advertise anything really.
Then I overheard my pops mention to my mother that he thought he'd like to take my nieces and nephew out to the IMAX to check it out. Didn't hear one peep about its obvious digital effects looking silly or anything at all disparaging the look of the Na'vi.
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Dude, chill the fuck out. Happy thoughts.
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I've had some bad times in my life lately, man. I've been beaten up recently, badly, and suffered some really hardcore injuries. Maybe I took my pain out on you. If I did, I apologize. I'm honestly not a bad guy, and certainly not worthy of hate. Why not talk to me? Maybe in a year we might even be friends. Want to try?
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http://www.thewrap.com/article/true-cost-and-consequences-avatar-11206
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Dec 05, 2009 2:54:03 AM CST
It opens December 16th in France so, check for early reviews
by blakindigo
Also, I'm guessing that since the film is screening next week, there won't be an embargo against early reviews?
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the Talkbacks?
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Dec 05, 2009 3:00:15 AM CST
From the article, it seems like there is a lot of spin from
by blakindigo
both sides, the nay-sayers and the supporters. Apparently this could be part of a marketing strategy that may inspire curiosity beyond a one-note media blitz campaign. All the cross-chatter coming from media outlets like the NYT to THR and others have made this film a hot topic. People that don't even know what the film is about seem to have an opinion on it's projected performance.
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that both "Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End" is STILL estimated at a $300 million dollar budget, with "Spider-Man 3" at around $250 million. These are PRODUCTION costs. No mention of their advertising budgets but, it seems that those two films released in 2007 have already eclipsed the projected costs of "Avatar" making them two of the most expensive movies in history.
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Dec 05, 2009 3:16:13 AM CST
Also, the cost of "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince"
by blakindigo
seems to be about $250 million dollars. The movie came out in 2009, and was a massive hit.
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in about 13 days from now.
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With less than 2 weeks to go, there is no buzz about Avatar. No one's talking about it outside the geek community. In the weeks before the release of TDK the buzz was inescapable. In comparion everyone who has heard of Avatar have a lethargic "well, I might see it if there's nothing else on that week..." attitude. And say what you like, the absence of advance screnings speaks VOLUMES. WB were happy to screen an unfinished TDK months before release because they knew they had gold. Fox know that even a handful of average reviews will kill Avatar, so they HAVE been shielding it. All this crap that it was only finished recently doesn't wash at all. At least 90% of Avatar was completed months ago - enough for advanced screenings. Fox knows they have a prize turkey, and even at this early stage they are thinking about damage limitation. Consider the facts; Avatar is sci-fi and most people hate sci-fi. It has no A-listers. The villains are the human military, which won't sit well in the current climate. The images released have not captured peoples' imaginations, most people I've spoken to find them underwhelming at best, or downright hilarious. And it is neither a kids film nor hardcore sci-fi, so will end up satisfying neither audience. Only the most deluded Cameron followers truly believe Avatar will be a critical/commercial success. They want to see something that isn't there, and even when it bombs they will still talk about it being a "game changer" whatever that means.
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then his movie would get the buzz it needs.jesus,do u think before u speak? TDK's humongous buzz came from Ledger's death,which lead to the movie's huge success.or do u think TDK2 is going to make the same amount of money,like TDK did.
the buzz of Avatar will came after its release.if people get really thrilled with their experience from the movie,then word of mouth will bring the necessary buzz for the movie's success.u know just like what happened with Batman Begins.jesus. -
The film was finished last week. Unless forced by the studio most filmmakers won't test screen their movies. A perfect example is Glenn Morgan and James Wong discussing "Final Destination" and New Line Cinema's screening process. And, the most famous example is "Fatal Attraction".Additionally, James Cameron has had final cut on his movies since "The Abyss," and he will tweak it until it's completely what he wants. So, I call bullshit on your reasoning.
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you can hear the changes in the sound mix. The entire crew has been working around the clock to finish the movie, no doubt rearranging shots for clarity and enhancing the sound mix. Drink the 'hateraide' all you want but, the idiotic assertion that Fox is trying to hide the movie due to 'bad buzz' is ridiculous.
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mrcdk for example.
im neither an avatar follower or a cameron one for that matter.
I dont know how well avatar will do, but i have a good strong feeling it wont bomb as people say.
the fate is known? How have you come to that? What intell you got? And please! dont say '' its obvious''.... thats the worst kind of statement anyone could make.
More and more im kinda becoming an avatar fan, but my loyalty lies with the films merits only, which ill get to see in less than 2 weeks, and like i said i have a very good feeling about this movie.
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This is really clutching at straws now. My point is that if Avatar is really, truly, undeniably great Fox would have screened it weeks ago to crtics who would be able to say how really, truly, undeniably great it is. That makes sense, no? The sound mix and clarity of shots should not much of a difference if it were truly great...do we all agree on that? But Fox haven't screened it because they know it's not truly, unbelievably great. In fact, it's probably mediocre or even a stinker, and they don't want word to get out. In short, I have many more sensible reasons to believe Avatar will bomb than the pro Avatar group have for believing it willl be a success. How does anyone predict anything? You look at the facts and make an inference. And the inference of any reasonable person is that Avatar will be a spectacular flop.
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—there is really no upshot for the filmmaker. Remember that Cameron is the guy that had studio executives sleeping on the floor waiting until 4am, while he mixed "True Lies." Somehow I don't think the studio believe they have "Gigli" on their hands. Advance word from the screened footage has been positive. The words from Cameron's peers have been positive. There has been negative word-of-mouth reaction from the online feedback of the first trailer. The second trailer had a much better reception.Outside of the hyperbolic dismissals from certain fanboy communities (CHUD, etc) there hasn't been any real backlash. Predicting a 'flop' for "Avatar" is essentially useless. The previews begin next week, as the film is apparently finished. I'm sure there'll be early reviews coming shortly…
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it was screened last night in LA, if thats ture or not i duno. but there are NDA's until the 15th. id still expect some leaks.
Alot of people said the same thing about titanic, it was doomed right from the off. Anyway... the average joe isnt gona give a shit about all of this anyway, its like i said.. its those normal movie goers that will decide if this movie works or not. All the geeks in the world wont be enough.
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...to a point where they'll hope nobody will notice how terrible this film will be.
Worthington is not talented enough to be cast in a starring role.
That accent needs a lot more work to be even considered acceptable. Why get an Aussie nobody to play the part of an American? Are there no young unknown actors in the US or Canada?
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Keep on fighting the good fight. You are a ray of sunshine amidst a sea of hostility.
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to put your ass out there for all to see. an aussie to play an american? where is it stated the character is american? and why would u include canadians and exclude mexicans, brazilians, columbians, panamanians....after all, they live in the 'americas' too? boring and shiny cartoon? so, you've seen it and that is the best you have? clearly u r talking out of your ass, cause your mouth knows better. signed: your friend
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So, we'll hear something by then…
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signed: your friend
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kind words sir, blakindigo will long be rememberd by theKRELL. signed: your friends
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If you're sharpening the knives in the hope of Avatar bombing like pigeon shit falling from the skies, then you will be sorely disappointed. There is no indication that this movie will be anything other than spectacular. Please engage brain.
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i thought his name was richard, but yes, i now see he is truly a 'dick.' signed: your friend
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You take a pop at my name whilst called youself Turd? If this is the level of intellect supporting Avatar, Cameron should be very worried indeed. "There is no indication Avatar will be anything other than spectacular"? So, I guess the general wave of indifference or ridicule that has met the trailers is something that you have discounted from your thorough analysis in making such a crass statement. You are one turd that should be flushed into the sewers. Don't pick a fight with me, I am way out of your league.
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You are guilty of over-simplification. You've heard what you wanted to, then have constructed your thoughts on that very weak foundation. Have fun being proved wrong by the overwhelming reality that will surround you in a couple of weeks. Cheers...
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Dec 05, 2009 5:20:58 PM CST
"Don't pick a fight with me, I am way out of your league."
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
Internet tough guy, huh? Of course you are out of my league - or should I say under it. While you appear to have all the intellectual and analytical capability of a microbe, I am vastly more informed, perceptive and intelligent than you are. Not to mention that you, in your mindless paroxysms of hate, appear to be completely divorced from reality. "the general wave of indifference or ridicule that has met the trailers". Really? The second trailer, the Avatar Day footage, and all the recent featurettes have met with almost universal positivity. And if you actually inhabited the real world, and not fanboy la la land, then you'd also realise that the general public's interest has been greatly piqued about this movie. Those are plain and simple facts.I will not be proved wrong. Count on it.
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hyper obsessed fanboys living in fanboy la la land that have a despereate, almost pathological need for Avatar to suck/fail so that their happiness can be assured?
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just boring the shit out of the rest of us with their childish rants where they proceed to repeat themselves (and the same ol internet fanboy catch phrases) over and over and over again ad naseum.....If only they actually had something witty/interesting to say about this film.
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because it will piss off giant, arrogant, loser tools like nerdrage, mrdick, et al. Hopefully their heads will explode...
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more hate filled rants...lol
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Did'ja view NEW MOON yet? I've got my passes for AVATAR all ready to go. I promised to see it with an open mind and I will.
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I'd say it's the "pro-AVATAR" crowd causing some problems, considering we've got one person on here who has repeatedly called for my actual -death-. I'm sort of surprised and hurt by that. I have honestly tried to reach out to General but I haven't heard back from him. I want us both to step back from rhetoric and for him to sort of chill out and talk to me with reason.
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side of any film (negative or positive) before they have even seen the damn thing, is in my book, a complete idiot. As for New Moon, not yet as I live in South Korea and it has not come out here yet. District 9 only came out last month here.....Though at least they are getting Avatar at the same time as everywhere else it seems....
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Do you have an email? I want to send you my review since I'm not sure really where to put it when I post it.
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of that overboard internet tough guy crap (though I have been guilty of it too..) where you call for peoles deaths etc....Thusspake you have to stand back and realize why you pissed a lot of people off....Your posts were often contradictory and based on assumption to say the least....And then you dropped the Twilight fan bomb. You know this is a mostly sci-fi action comic book geek website right?
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Sometimes in my zeal to "educate" I forget that sort of thing, that it's a site for fun and enjoyment and relaxation. I get so wrapped up in social and political issues I forget and attack the very outsider people I should befriend.Part of it is that I fucking HATE it when society - the big mass - the mob - takes a ahit on a person for what he loves. I saw a recent interview show where Tron Guy was on being interviewed and the audience is just TOTALLY crapping on him and laughing at him and the poor guy has no idea. he seems to think they're asking actual questions - are interested - rather than it being merely a sideshow freakshow kind of thing with an audience that mocks with laughter everything the guy says. The audience may be laughing, but you can feel them about a sliver away from lynching the guy to death: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsF2RUMmpqcThis is how I see a lot of people who say "AVATAR will be accepted by the general public! AUDIENCES LOVE SCI-FI!" No, audiences are like -that-, tittering fucks mocking a dude for caring passionately about something.Is Tron Guy silly? Yes - of course. Listen to when Kimmel says how it's unusual to dress up as a superhero. "Huhuhuhuhu!" they titter. Then, after he sits, Kimmel asks him how the suit lights up and the poor guy explains "This is electroluminescent wire" - and THIS SIMPLE TECHNICAL EXPLANATION gets BIG titters: "huhuhuhuhuhuhu!" They're laughing at the guy because he used the words "electroluminescent wire" - "huhuhuhuhuhuhu!" They want to fucking kill him. They'd love to beat him with sticks. And the poor guy thinks kimmel really cares what the suit is lit up by and doesn't even seem to notice the tittering audience who are LAUGHING AT HIM SIMPLY TELLING KIMMEL HOW THE SUIT LIGHTS UP IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION. You know why they're really laughing? Because he's using "big words" and that makes him one of those dumb nerds. There simply is no other explanation for the tittering when he explains how it runs off wires and a battery - there's nothing at all humorous about his words, the situation, anything. "I'm wearing ten double-A batteries and a nine volt," the guy says seriously: "HOO HAHA HAH HAHHH!" says the audience. Yeah, that's funny - batteries. No, it's more disguised aggression and HATRED by the audience against this poor dude. EMPEROR'S NEW GROOVE, he likss it and paid to see it twice. HAHAHAHHAAHAHH says the audience - again, more hate - even Kimmel laughs at him, and snidely remarks "That's _another_ _Disney_ movie, right?" when he's really saying "What the fuck, are you a fucking retard?" Another great example: "And what do you do for a living?" asks Kimmel. "I'm a computer consultant!" "HAHAHAHAHA!" says the audience, the transltion being "OH MY GOD HE DOES SHIT WITH THOSE PORN-BOXES HE IS DUMBZORZ HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!" They fucking want to stone him right there in the studio and it's just sickening. Best of all though is when Tron Guy is asked if he walks around all the time in the suit (after saying he's only worn it four times) and he says "I don't think the people of Fairfield, Minnessota would know what this is about" and Kimmel snidely and hatefully responds "Or anyone else in the rest of America" Audience: "HAWHAWHAWHAW!" translation: "So TRUE - WE HATE THIS GUY! WE HOULD THROW FRUIT AT HIM! HAW HAW HAW!" In fact, the audience is so hateful that they APPLAUD Kimmel for telling the guy, essentially, that he's a horrible person who could never fit in or be understood anywhere and therefore is disgusting. That's the unspoken statement, and that's what earns the audience applause. Not the fact that the guy won a costume contest. Not the fact that he earned a marriage proposal for crafting something artistic. None of that - no - the audience applauds for Kimmel saying how MUCH people HATE this guy. Awesome. This is further proved when Kimmel suggests Tron Guy go to Fallujah and that it ough to be something Tron Guy should consider. Here, I see Kimmel basically calling for this guy to be beaten! And the audeince laughs. Then, when Tron Guy tries to explain his character in a good-natured and joking fashion, explaining his overweight status by saying he's a program filled with bloatware, which is just a good-natured and humble dig at himself, Kimmel just -spits- on him verbally by saying "This is more than I want to be involved with this." Awesome, Jimmy. Then, not content to let his studio audience mock this poor guy, Kimmel wants to make a gag of dragging the guy over to the movie theater and letting drunk frat fucks make fun of him. "GO GRIZZLYS!" says one drunk guy. Then, Kimmel asks another "Do you know what he's dressed up as?" and a thumbs-up dipwad Rides-His-Bike-Everywhere-Guy says "A fruitcake!" to peals of laughter. Rock on, Kimmel. Rock on, total douche Bike Dude. Then, when some other people say he's the guy from TRON, Kimmel makes sure to insult them too by asking them if they'd like a costume - making sure anyone who associates with TRON is branded wholly a loser in public. Can't cross over the genre world with the normal world. NUH-UH! That'd mean mutual understanding and shared ideas. Nope, drunk dude and "Fruitcake" thumbs-up douche get props from Jimmy and a "gotta love that guy" remark for the drunk Grizzlys fan.So basically my blow-by-blow is to show how I see the fanboy/rest-of-the-world problem, and I am so fucking tired of the fanboy being on hte defensive and the delusion. I mean, I'm no fan of TRON GUY, but the thing is, the poor dude came in there with a good heart and a good nature and got SHAT upon nonstop and kept his goof attitude. What I say - if fucks like Kimmel are going to praise Frat Douche, let Frat Douche appear on his show. Fuck NO, Tron Guy shouldn't have gone on that show - he should have told Kimmel where to eat his ass. This is the conflict that I have trouble resolving, and this honestly is what makes me mad about people saying they think AVATAR will do well. I see "Fruitcake" douche and Grizzlys guy, who can't fucking tolerate a guy dressed as TRON outside the movie TRON and simply must- ... with Kimmel's full approval ... just mock the fuck out of this guy and make constant fun of him ... with Kimmel directly involved (going so far as to suggest in the last line that Tron Guy should try to hug everyone because it will make them uncomfortable to be hugged by Tron Guy) ... holy shit, genre fans need to unify and not put up with that kind of crap. Seriously. And that's why I try to say over and over that genre fans should never delude themselves the public feels anything toward them but fucking VICIOUS HATRED.
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possible failure in a past talkback,exactly for the reason you have just described.thank you sir.
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http://tinyurl.com/yzent2b
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I am more than happy to take on the entire pro Avatar nerd camp alone, as you have such pathetic arguments to counter mine. The reason you are getting so riled up is because my posts are really getting under your skin. You know there is underlying truth in my arguments and that is making you uncomfortable. So you respond with vitriol, or juvenile insults (like Turd and Krell) or pathetic counter arguments. You are all acting like children looking forward to a shiny new toy for christmas, only to be told that the toy will actualy be pretty crappy, and now you are balling your eyes out. How many of you will have the balls to come back onto these pages in two weeks time and admit Avatar is an overhyped pile of CG excrement? When the box office drops off into the depths after the first week, how many of you will admit that only the hardcore geeks bothered to show up to see it? Not one, I'm betting. You will al mysteriously vanish from this site until March when Avatar will be forgotten. If one of you proves me wrong and shows up admitting they were duped and how disappointed they were with the film, you will have earned my respect. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Transformers 2 is crap, but people who defend it point to the $402 million it made at the box-ofice as a victory. So mrdck, you say Avatar "is an overhyped pile of CG excrement" and its box office "drops off into the depths after the first week". It seems to me that you are trying to have it both ways. If Avatar is the biggest movie this holiday season, beating 'New Moon' which will top out at around $295 million domestic, will that disprove your box-office argument? What if critically it is regarded with Aliens, T2 and Titanic as among Cameron's best films? Will that do it for you? What is considered victory? You will earn my respect if you wait and see if Avatar is any good before you start attacking it...oops, to late for that...I'm not holding my breath either.
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hey, ill show up no problem at all.
If avatar stinks for me, ill admit.
Im totay hyped for it now, but like you say if it turns out really bad and i feel cheated ill be right on here voicing my opinion on the movie.
I really really couldnt give a flying crap about box office numers to be honnest, its not my responsibility how well avatar should do after my first initial payed viewing. Im a guy who will pay for his ticket, sit there and watch a movie...thats it, thats all im required to do as an audience member.And thats the state of being i prefer to be in. That way you lose the sence of self fulfillment as a fan... and not to be biased toward film. An open mind i guess.
For my well earned ÂŁ8 to pass over the counter into the clerks hands... i gota be sure that this is worth MY money, and i have decided that long ago.Im sold on avatar, not as a syfy epic or an ''oh my gosh cgi fuckfest!''
But as a movie, and it looks badass to me. Some people dont get it, it just boils down to that simple fact of reality, its not for them. I love art but i dont have a fucking clue what picasso was smoking on.I dont like his work, its not for me, simply... I DONT GET IT!.
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thats like saying a law will be passed in due time, but no one has the right to any opinion or input as to what the bylaws may be, and what they think of them as to make up their own minds.
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It's nothing like that at all! LOL. No, a better analogy would be a bunch of people debating on whether some new dish created by a master chef is going to suck or not before they have even tasted it. They talk for hours about the ingredients, and the cooking method, and they get into angry fights and name-calling arguments...but none of them have tasted it. Their opinions are useless.
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At last we have someone with common sense and intelligence. We are all entitled to have an opinion on what we have seen thus far. We are all entitled to make an inference as to what this film will be like based on the available facts. These are concepts that the proAvatar nerds are unable to grasp. According to them, we all have to salivate about this film just because they are. What a bunch of infantile a-holes.
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Your opinion dosnt matter.
sux dosnt it?
Everyones opinion and input matters.
its very important, and it has a huge impact.
No i dont think everyone should just eat up what avatar is or claims to be mrdck. If people are over the moon about it then thats their truth. I just wana wait until i see it and then give my opinion based on the screening.
But i am pretty excited about it.
Its actually a date movie for me with my gf, and i thought that would never happen. But ill prob see it on dec 17th (preview) alone first :P
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For proving my point.
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"...and I thought that would never happen." What? That you'd have a girlfriend? Tee hee.
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tu che :P
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...thinks this movie looks like shit or is simply unaware of it is just incorrect. I was in a jam-packed restaurant last night watching the UFC, which was sponsored by AVATAR. Every commercial break featured an action-heavy tv spot (about four or five different ones), and every time one played I could hear people all around me talking about it. The guys I was watching the fights with were asking me what I knew about it, since they know I'm a huge movie nerd. They were all interested, and not one of them thought it looked like a live-action Smurfs movie or any of the other dumbass internet memes that the people on sites for *movie nerds* seem to think have become zeitgeist.
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Someone beat your ass? I cannot imagine who would ever want to do something like that. I mean, if you're as swell in real life as you are on the internet, who in the world would ever want to smash your fucking face? Really incredible anyone would do that.
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would they hit it? ;)
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if u read blackironprison's post up above, and this morning in the beaks top 100 pt 2 tb, chipmunk (spymunk) was a moron from CHUD. he/she/it vowed never to return to aicn cause everybody picked on him/her/it and it was an 'experiment' or some other bs....
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I simply don't like it. Childish, noble savages, greedy corporations, the hero's journey. Seen it too many times.
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the front cover of a book,and immediately i understood that the story would be crap,with stereotypical characters,zero drama or comedy,bad written etc.
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and not so cliche as you seem to claim.and combined with the visuals i am pretty sure the movie will kick ass.well?
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hilarious flick.
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hey, is that Burke from Aliens? No, he changed his name (good for him) into Parker Selfridge.
Or: white, sorry, blue guy meets red, sorry, blue native girl. Sounds familiar.
Mom agrees, dad disagrees. Ouch. Teenage movie pattern.
And yep, there's Jake's rival in love. Not to worry: we both now what happens next.
Or is Jake the chosen one? Where did we here that story before?
Jake has to prove himself in a couple of rituals and lo and behold: a duel with his rival. Now that's inventive screenwriting!
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all the stories the humankind could thought of.and that its all about retelling the same stories with different ways.do you agree with that or do you think there are new stories that can be told? and when i say new,i mean stories with new ideas that we havent seen before.
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Well, the Road and 2012 tell the same basic story, don't they? But they're quite different movies.
Some stories are indeed as old as mankind. The hero's journey is a good example. But you can't say that Luke Skywalker's journey matches Homer's Odyssey. Or a Lawrence of Arabia. That's what kills Avatar for me.
I don't see many new ideas or patterns in Avatar. In my younger days I was a fervent SF reader. Even know, some 30 years later, I like Arthur C. Clarke, Asimov, Heinlein etc. That's why I'm all too familiar with most ideas from Avatar.
Avatar is no new story. It's an old, very respectable story. It's the retelling I don't like.
As for new stories: maybe another time.
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I don't know if any of my friends would hit it, but I probably would...although that would be weird, logistically, because she's, like, nine feet tall. It would be like a jockey getting it on with a chick from the WNBA.
Seriously, though, most of the talk at my table was centered on the action. The tv spots they showed during the UFC were all either very action-oriented or devoted to promoting this film as a 3D "experience". Only one of my friends knew that I had been to the 16 minute Avatar Day preview, and once I started to explain that to the rest of my group, everybody seemed genuinely pumped to see the movie. Keep in mind, these guys are not huge movie nerds like me, but they range in age from 22-31, and they all appreciate ALIENS & TERMINATOR 2 at the very least, and I would consider their taste in movies to be pretty solid for "casual" movie fans.
As for the rest of the people in the crowd, I looked around to try and gauge reactions to some of the spots with every intention of posting the vibe on here today, and people seemed VERY interested. During one particular spot, VERY action-heavy, a guy at the table behind me...I would guess he was somewhere in his early thirties...said something like "Holy shit, that looks fucking insane!" to the rest of the people he was with, and then another guy started to say something about how his kid had told him about the movie, but the waitress started talking to my party at that point and I zoned in on her so I could order my food. -
with Homer's Odyssey or Lawrence.they are completely different stories.but nevermind that.
Avatar does have a 'new' idea,that of the Avatar itself.and that for a start,is a big element which distinguishes the movie from Dancing with Wolves.yes navi are the indians,the corporation is the imperialistic america,but Kevin Costner is not disabled and does not live in an alien body.thus Sam has a bit different,maybe even bigger of dilemma when it comes to choose sides.i am not saying that the idea of avatar makes the movie better than dancing with wolves,but it does start to tell the same story in a different way,from another approach.
since you are familiar with the ideas from Avatar,i think you should not let yourself to ignore the opportunity to watch these ideas fulfilled in a different medium,a different approach,a different vision from a very talented director.
dont be snobbish or elitist.give the movie a chance.and if you dont like what you see,then you have all the right to come here and trash it with no end.but watch it first. -
its nice to hear that the movie intrigues the interest of the people.i hope word of mouth will do its job,and the movie will become a hit as it deserves to be.
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HAHAHAHA you fucking NERD! You look like Milhouse! Jesus Christ, have you ever gotten laid? I'll tell you what you fucking pussy, I see you live in Louisville. I live near Chicago. Will you be coming to Chicago for the C2E2? Because I think you might be, and I'll be looking for you. Shit, I am going to blow up your fucking picture and post it all around McCormick Place. If I find you, I am going to beat your fucking ass, and then you can blog about it over on CHUD with all the other good for nothing faggot nerds who like to toss Devin's salad.
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This man clearly knows what the fuck he's doing. The rest of you can STFU!
tinyurl.com/y8cbadb
Also the best featurette on Pandora yet! Spoilers.
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This is just tiring. Not to mention tiresome. See you all in two weeks, folks.
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thank you very much for the links Johnno
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Great interview. Everytime Cameron speaks about his movies, it reminds me why I wanted to be a filmmaker in the first place.
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What the gibbering fuck was that all about? Apparently we won't we be seeing that fellow around these parts no more (see Beak's top 25 thread for details), though that remains to be seen. (southafricanguy, I hope you didn't take him up on his offer to go and see Twilight).
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u da man.
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Dec 06, 2009 6:45:57 PM CST
Cameron interview proves why this movie will be
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
a timeless classic. For all those complaining about the story being too familiar or too simple - it is clear that JC has strived to create a truly classicist and universal tale in the genre, one that will cross cultural boundaries and remain relevant for years. It can be applicable to any time, place, or political or social situtaion. He has also sought to keep any 'trendy' or 'hipster' aesthetic or thematic flourishes out of the work. Take The Matrix - first movie was great, however both stylistically and thematically it's already quite dated. The super-stylizd HK action action style has been beaten into the ground, and the post-millenial tensions that the story gained resonance from have dissipitated.It amuses me how some underestimate Cameron, or thumb their noses because he makes crowd-pleasing broad audience fare. This man is truly intelligent, and knows exactly what he's doing, right down to the finest brushstrokes. There are very few working on that kind of perceptive level today. A great painter knows not just what he's trying to create, but will be able to anticipate how an audience sees that canvas standing 10 feet away; a great filmmaker knows what resonates with an audience and how the work will be perceived and assimilated by them - and I don't mean in a crude, tick-all-the-boxes way that most modern Hollwood shitbusters operate. This is what gave the original Star Wars trilogy its longevity and popularity - the psychological resonances that underpinned the whole affair, and no all the immediate wizzes and bangs. I love how Cameron doesn't explain the purpose of the unobtanium - instead of shoving a polemic down the throats of the viewers, he has created a timeless comment on human behavior. Ditto also, the fact that Cameron has combined the age-old story of an outsider coming into a culture and becoming one of them, but using sci-fi trppings, the protagonist LITERALLY becomes one of them, literally seeing through their eyes. This is simple, effective, and actually quite brilliant. He has combined the smorgasboard of influences - classic jungle adventure, Rice Burroughs planetary romance/ space opera, and more modern ideas of virtual identities and 'avatars', in the literal sense of cloned genetic bodies as well as the computer/gamer sense, deceptively well.
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During the lovemaking scene between Jake and Neytiri the soundtrack will be...The Village Peoples' IN THE NA'VI.
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In the upcoming Playboy interview, James Cameron had this to say about the prescreening of Avatar:
"We know from the exit polling that the response was 95 percent ecstatic. Most of the five percent negative response is from the fanatic fans who imagined the movie in their minds but now have to deal with my movie."
So, who was it here that said there were no screenings because Fox was hiding it because they "know they have a turd on their hands"? I think it's time for that knucklehead to start reading the menu at Crow Cafe.
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It's clear to me you're not that familiar with Lawrence of Arabia or Odysseus. Lawrence is accepted by the arabs. He learns their ways, right? Sounds familiar?
And I'm sorry, but the idea of an avatar is not that new. The matrix, anyone? (OK, a virtual one).
And there is a story from Poul Anderson, I believe. An avatar for a lifeform on Jupiter. Nothing new here, I'm afraid.t
And to be more specific: I'm tired talking about the next teenage movie. So long.
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There are only so many stories and they've all been told.
The key is how is it different this time. What's the new spin on the old tale and what's in the meat they put on the bones - and how did they change the bones around?
No movie made in the last 20 years is completely original. No story written in the last 200 years is completely original.
That's just how it is. They all borrow nuggets from each other.
Not even your trolling is original.
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