Dec. 1, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST
...puppets, matte paintings, and people covered in rubber and red Karo Syrup.
Dec. 1, 2009, 10 a.m. CST
Can stop the sentinel squids from destroying Zion.
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST
the wheelchair design?
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST
...was in the FUTURE BOY CONAN Miyazaki series in the 70...except it was about as sophisticated as a lawn mover and started by hand crank...very cool.
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST
aliens, matrix..now here. and these dont seem as cool as the matrix ones.
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST
Looks like poon.
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Dec. 1, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST
I know I'm late to the party on all of this but I just can't convey how disappointed I am in Avatar. The commercials do nothing but reinforce the idea that Cameron has created a very expensive cartoon love story. Unless I read some compelling reviews that suggest otherwise, I'll be watching a bootleg of it online.
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST
Trade catnip for unobtanium. No war, just 2 hrs of 3-D mancats losing their shit in happiness.
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST
by Rocco Curioso
will suffice. Thanks anyway.<P>T minus 17 days. Much like the ubiquitous Motoko, my faith in Cameron is unshakable.
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST
by Robots In Das Guys
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST
which one's Avatar?
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST
by radagast brown
*spoilers* saw couple of new scenes in this footage - http://movies.msn.com/superfans/science-fiction-movies/blog/new-avatar-footage-gives-us-more-story/ So you can cut the connection with a push of a button. Convenient I say. Got my IMAX 3D ticket for Thursday midnight show. Thank goodness my last final is on Dec 17th. AVATAR line here I come. Well if Devin is right, I'll probably be the only one in line. Thats fine, better seats for me - woohoo.
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST
Whoever thinks that mech design is cool needs to go and look at Metal Gear, Aliens, Robocop, Armored Core, District 9 .etc to see how a real mech should look like, because that thing is a goofy looking joke.
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST
The one in Alien was more of a cargo lifter, this Avatar PowerSuit looks like it was taken right out of the Matrix prop house and given a windshield. I guess Cameron's imitating his imitators now?
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST
...to ALIENS, MATRIX, etc... Like I said before, Miyazaki used the same basic design in the 70's (don't know if he was the first) and there have been countless anime variations over the decades. MATRIX and co. are just rip-offs of rip-offs of rip-offs. <P>The idea has been around so long I'd say it's fine to use it, just don't try to pretend it's nifty or new or original...just use it in a matter of fact sort of way and move on.
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST
Dec. 1, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST
why would i want the book now..epic fail there AICN
Dec. 1, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST
This is what I predict. $40 million opening tops.
Dec. 1, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST
I heard on the radio today that this movie will clock in at 3 hours and 40 minutes... Anyone able to confirm this?
Dec. 1, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST
Avatar is pure gold. It hides nothing and gains momentum every day. Cameron knows the story isn't as valuable as the experience and the more we see the Na'vi tribe, the less alien they seem. So, rather than being distracted by their appearance, we'll be more easily absorbed by the emotional content. I have to laugh when I read there are still people out there who think this movie will be less than a massive success. I pity you.
Dec. 1, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST
THIS. This is exactly why I wanted this damn movie to bomb. And unfortunally, for exactly the SAME reasons it will be a smashing hit. Bi studio movies do not bomb nowadays, they all show a profit. The days of "Cutthroat Island" are over, they now know exactly what dumb fuckers out there want, they got the home video market on its knees, and they squeeze it as much as they can. Only indie film bombs nowadays - and by bomb, I mean, failed miserably to make a profit.
Dec. 1, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST
Wikipedia has it at 2 hours 36 minutes. IMDB has it at 2 hours 30 minutes.
Dec. 1, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST
Thanks for clearing that up, I nearly choked hearing that this morning.
Dec. 1, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST
i would kill to get a close up view of a sudsy kathy bates split open rose hole.<p>i would kill to announce dinner in her rose hole like a damn cavalry charge<p>i would eat her cavalry charge.<p>AVATAR!
Dec. 1, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST
You can see the varrying in trailers. Like on FOX or something meant for adults they play the trailer that makes it look like its the greatest most EPIC movie ever made and list JC's other movies. <P> On Cartoon network they make it look like silly fun adventure movie and they only thing they says is "IN 3-D". <P> Its odd, I don't think they know what to do.
Dec. 1, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST
I just don't see America outside of the nerds buying into this, unless its one of the lesser twats who knows the name CAMERON, or gets reeled in by all of the "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF" credits. Based solely on the material though, most will just smile condescendingly and think its the geek movie of the week while they wait for Dancing with the Stars to come back from commercial break. $50mil opening is being optimistic, I say.
Dec. 1, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST
"Because of their shit taste" Also, EYEBALLS FUCK DECEMBER CAMERON AVATAR
Dec. 1, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST
I'm feeling very similar. To tell the truth: no Cameron movie has ever really satisfied me. Abyss, Aliens, T1, T2, Titanic... they all were okay but... dumb. (True Lies was plain dumb but entertaining). His films are visually strong, they have suspense, you're entertained while watching them for the first time, but the more often you watch them the emptier they seem to be. I saw the Avatar Trailer in a digital projection cinema last week (saw it before on the internet) and yes, it looked really good but not overwhelming. The only thing that stayed in my mind was (as I later learned) Steve Jablonsky's theme from "The Island" that was used in the trailer. I'm really uncertain if I should spend 10 EUR just for the "experience"...
Dec. 1, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST
When the movie is gonna suck? I feel another Ishtar or Waterworld with this one...
Dec. 1, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST
Andrew Adamson is a director who most people won't have any idea who he is by name. Fuck I know who the guy is but I've got no idea what he looks like. <P> He's directed 4 movies, Shrek 1 and 2 and Naria 1 and 2. And he is only $400 million something away from passing Cameron's total worldwide box office gross. Think about that? If Andrew Adamson is smart, thats just another Shrek film. <P> Now Cameron has the chance her to widen that gap, but its really up in the air. I wonder what other directors are that high? Probably the beards.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST
It has good cg and effects. Huh?
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST
it just looks cheap as ass.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST
I'm really surprised to hear you say that no Cameron movie has satisfied you. I would say the consensus around this website and among many movie buffs is that Cameron has a perfect track record. As I see it, Cameron has never made a movie that wasn't better than good. Every single one of his features from TERMINATOR to TITANIC range from "very, very fucking good" to "very fucking great," bar none (except Piranha 2, never seen it.)
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST
Well, I would say: tastes are different. I've no problem with that ;-)
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST
All of us geeks will rock it the first weekend and then it'll just go away and we'll all be left discussing how this was worse than The Phantom Menace.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST
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Dec. 1, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST
but i dont think ill buy it. The movie looks kick ass tho, cant wait to see it. peace.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST
For real did somebody just avatar?
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST
The Leaked script which has gotten glowing reviews and was well received by the fan-base has apparently been butchered - most of the sci-fi scenes have been removed, Oa's presence minimized, the Green Lantern Corps are no longer present in the Climax on Earth and Legion is gone. That's right, instead of being a sci-fi adventure with giant monsters and the GL Corps working together we are getting a generic superhero movie.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST
atleast it dose for me. its gona be a blast. I feel sorry for the haters.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST
...geeks elevate Cameron's status to "genius" while in fact they are wanking to the work of Scott, Giger, Weaver and Winston. Cameron is great at technical logistics, and can shoot some purty blue lights against stainless steel counters, but his direction is pretty average.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST
director man,The abyss, which some people dont like i get that.. that movie has some pretty good moments. Even titanic had some great moments also. But he is not a genius.
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST
The Abyss is a monumental effort in logistics, has kick-ass real life submarines, a wicked demo of a rat breathing Xerox cleaning solution, but, in the very end, is a pretty average movie. There are only 2 strong moments in Titanic, totalling 12 seconds or so: The overhead shot of the elderly couple waiting to be drowned in their bed and the shot of the ship splitting in two (no CG there, just a great nice big model being ripped apart).
Dec. 1, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST
Especially when the DVD comes out.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3 p.m. CST
Aaaaah.... I don't know... but I prefer books over DVD-Pictures on my TV... I also let print my favorite pictures and pin them in albums... I guess I'm just too old... ;-)
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST
T1, T2 and Aliens. <p>Never saw Pirahna 2.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST
by Sailor Rip
I'm really not as excited for Avatar as I should be. We know the plot(DwW), it sounds very generic and forced, and I have almost no desire to see it unfold on the big screen.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST
Well, that's a good point. But the only art of books I own are Star Trek and Wars, because there's so much material out there.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST
The AMP suit looks cooler as a drawing, though.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST
In general i prefer prints over digital pictures, but the only "art of" books i would ever consider to buy would be e.g. ALIEN or PAN'S LABYRINTH...
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST
but in the previews it's a little jarring to see real actors in such a cartoon like environment.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST
Wha?! Either your standards are WAY too high or you still harbor painful memories of being called gay for liking that movie in '97. We're all 12 years older now. It's ok.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST
so what if its basicaly dances with wolves, that movie is fucking fantasic. Its a good thing that the younger generation get to see such a classic tale of events.Some real delema wouldnt wouldnt hurt. Im sick of the crap they put out in movies these days and expect kids to eat it up.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST
Because sometimes it's the original script before they changed it during shooting.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST
And I was all set to call him a prolapsed-rectum-looking, Star Trek and monster movie-fucking, cock humping, tit-slapping, shit-eating, Hollywood mainstream brain-dead creatively bankrupt intellectually barren drooling monosyllabic caveman idiot asshole. But it's not, so I won't.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST
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Dec. 1, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST
I think you made quite a good point here. (I wouldn't rate DANCES WITH WOLVES fucking fantastic but it was clearly above average). I guess someone who saw LAWRENCE OF ARABIA in cinema would have called DwW a remake with indians. Perhaps AVATAR is just the same story for the next generation.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST
is so much better than JJ Abrams. Lol. The tit slapping part was pretty funny though.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST
i really liked DWW,its one of my favs,for me tho its pretty awsome. yea thats what i think myself, its basicaly the same story for the next genertaion, and god knows its long over due. Last samurai did a good job but i wouldnt say its a movie for kids, nor is avatar really but i know it dose appeal to the younger ones. Hana Montana and Jonas bros or even Twilight for that matter arnt sending out true messages. ok twilight dose a great deal of love and friendship.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST
Only because this is the only way this movie should be viewed. I know folks who will just roll to a regular theatre and watch it non 3d and walk away probably not nearly impressed as they could be.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST
if i wana see it on imax i gota travel 140 miles, which sux. so ill being seeing it in 3D at my local cinema. not realD tho :( Masterimage 3D.
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST
As for messages for kids: TWILIGHT's message of "True Love waits" is just ridiculous! Never in the history of cinema were Vampires less sexy! Poor Bram Stoker!
Dec. 1, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST
Im no fan myself but, The love story is kinda...kinda gripping. Its total bullshit of cource, but young girls just eat it up. thats basicaly the demograph, and its fine that girls have a vampire movie to relate to.
Dec. 1, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST
I actually found the movie quite boring and contrived. The recreated sets, props, etc. where fantastic, though, I must admit. But spectacle alone doesn't make a classic. You need something living and breathing at the core. Aliens (Cameron's best movie, by far) had that.
Dec. 1, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST
Nothing against romantic movies at all, but this one has "true love waits" written all over it. i would call it political propaganda, not cinema. ;-)
Dec. 1, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST
...And Sully.<p> Discuss.
Dec. 1, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST
you mean avatar? Oh i agree with you 100%. cinema is cinema, i dont regard politics at all, that shit match-make dosnt work. Some movies do get strong political views across better than some political parties tho, thats easy to see. And ofcource Avatar is demonstrating some of those political aspects, mostly about war i gues.
Dec. 1, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST
and i want it now.btw does it have nude pics of Neutiri.ahem.
Dec. 1, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST
I'm sorry, but whoever decided to put THAT for all the marketing for this movie should be fired.
Dec. 1, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST
You've got a good attitude toward movies (reading your posts in the other Avatar Tb). I note you're only 23 and you may develop a little cynicism eventually, but try to hold onto that attitude for as long as you can. Cheers.
Dec. 1, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST
lasix years ago makes the point moot. i may still try though (and get an eyeache.) I am an EPIC FAIL!
Dec. 1, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST
Yea i do love movies tho, i dont see any reason being mad about them or displaying hate toward them either, ok some movies arnt as good as others just like with all art right? Without a doubt film is our greatest form of expresion (art) poem,music,painting,dance and writing are all great forms of art too, but movies really bring all that together into one giant form that i love so much. hell, just being human is a form of art in itself,your a creation, and expresion or a manifestation right? its all good. peace.
Dec. 1, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST
The Banshee at rest, from the front, is a vagina.<p> This movie will be a hit, due to subliminal programming.
Dec. 1, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST
ofcource! look at snow white or little mermaid lol
Dec. 1, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST
How many would be happy to see all those attack ships put to better use in ,say, an Aliens spin off movie, you know, a truly photorealistic film that contains no blue people? And, no suggestions onvolving Hicks and Newt, please. May they stay fucking dead.
Dec. 1, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST
i thought AVP was a spin off? The gun ships look pretty good tho!
Dec. 1, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST
Except not have the Connor-nator kill everyone. Then he'd be just as strong as the terminators which would have set up some badass sequels.
Dec. 1, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST
Dec. 1, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST
sux i cant get to an imax screen....
Dec. 1, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST
you get your avatar, get a flying mount and a ground mount...do quests...gain experience...build up rep with your favorite faction.. but i'd still see the movie.
Dec. 1, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST
I knew just by looking at those sketches that Neville had a hand in designing the creatures. He's really become the go to guy when creating creatures. Nice book. Must have!!!
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Dec. 1, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST
But there isn't anything about what you're referring to at all. There has been nothing put out about any script cuts to Green Lantern. The only other place in the whole of the net referring to what you are saying, and it's verbatim, is in an old post on the IMDB message boards. In other words, I think you're full of shit. Stop spreading FUD about something that looks promising and is 2 years away.
Dec. 1, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST
if avatar isnt your cup of tea,or any other movie for that matt... then stay away from the film, im sure there are plenty of other films that you look forward to going into next year or even the end of this year. I really worry for people who spend their time on here just to bash and trash a movie no one has seen yet, and blindly shouting crap from their mouths that no poor buger has the intelligence To actualy judge the movie on its OWN merits, which by the way! no one has been able to do so yet as the movie has been seen by virtualy no one outside of fox!
Dec. 1, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST
by The Tao of Joe
Just got the word from those in the know that Fox will not be screening this film for critics in most cities. This was the same thing they did with "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" as if that's any indicator as to what the studio thinks about the quality of the film. A shame. Was hoping Cameron knocked this film out of the park. At least there's a new Peter Jackson film.
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST
I will NEVER get over the comedy of that term.
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST
my insiders have also told me we are about to hear the disclosure of ET presence on planet earth by obama....
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST
by The Tao of Joe
You can mock me all you want, but let's face it, your joke is just a reaction to something you do not want to hear. I didn't want to hear it either, but regardless, it's bad news for a project we've all been excited about for some time. I've giving you the real dope here, no hype, or anything else.
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST
no no, thats what ive beem told by my insider friends too, its cool! i dont care much for reviews or whatever fox is up to in regards to avatar. apparently there is a 12 foot tall blue skin alien race thats been coming here since the 40s... spooky :P lol well acording to projectcamelot.org peace
Fine. But it's never a good sign when the film is screened for critics in a fashion similar to say a video game movie, "Pearl Harbor," "Godzilla," or "Wolverine." Fox gave a better critics screening campaign for "Australia," even, so this is not a good sign.
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST
yea its not a great sign at all, but i really dont wana get caught up in all that stuff really. Maybe they just wana keep it quiet... and that is worrying ill admit.
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST
@ THE VICTORIA'S SECRET THING. IT LOOKED HORRENDOUS, MY GF WAS LIKE, YOU WANT TO SEE THAT!? NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TITANIC AWFUL, ALL THE DANCES WITH SMURFS STUFF IS GONNA COME TRUE. THIS WILL BE AN IMMENSE FAILURE. :(
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST
I know more people that want to see Avatar that even know who the fuck Bruce Campbell is.
Dec. 1, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST
i cant wait to see it!
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST
by Rocco Curioso
That's strike two, bubba.
Dec. 1, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST
I want to see it, but the trailer looked cheap man, a movie that bigs needs a powerul tdk style campaign behind it.
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Dec. 1, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST
the book is more exciting than the trailer.
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST
I'll give you one guess as to whether it's good or shit.
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST
but that just the game, i know the movie will be great.
Dec. 1, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST
"...geeks elevate Cameron's status to "genius" while in fact they are wanking to the work of Scott, Giger, Weaver and Winston." <p> right... that's why species is such a great movie. the creature is designed by giger after all. and how about that pumpkinhead movie, eh? wasnt that designed by winston? and you think ripley is an iconic character now because of how she's portrayed in scott's film, or in cameron's film? what was originally just a lucky survivor(the alien picked all her crewmates first and got to her last), was turned into a tough warrior with strong maternal instinct as WRITTEN BY CAMERON. <p> different day, same stupid shit. like i said, the haters of cameron just knows shit about filmmaking. how's that saying goes? empty barrel makes the loudest noise? some many useless barrels in every avatar threads.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST
funny how some people think that because his "girlfriend", or his friends or whoever is not excited by this, that we should really care. michael bay movies always make truckload of money. new moon banked $143 million in 3 days. $143 millions in 3 days. you geeks lodge that deep in your skull! avatar just needs to be a great film, and that should be enough a validation for filmlovers. the shitty taste of your girlfriend and the rest of the joe schmoe public shouldn't even matter.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST
the talk is the film will be ready by dec 10. if that's true the movie won’t be in contention for the national board of review’s awards and the golden globes. <p> you think that's because he believes he has a shitty film in his hand, or that he's just being a perfectionist, and cant stop tweaking things until the last minute?
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST
Haven't even heard of Avatar. the ones that do will see it for sure but are not lining up in tents waiting for tickets. <p> I'll tell you tho, When true lies came out no one knew a damn thing about it and word quickly spread how awesome it was as a cinema going experiance. And the build up to titanic was full of dread and we all know how that turned out. Even i saw it 3 times, not because the love story touched me, but because the visual effects and sheer quality of filmmaking was so captivating to me. <p> plus i love watching innocent people running and screaming from certain doom.<p>I just don't know what to make of Avatar. I'll hold out hope that it totally blows me away..... but i suspect it might be a little too abyse meets attack of the clones.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST
Please try harder when convincing people that Avatar will be a great movie.<P> <P> <P>Because it is not working.... :(
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST
when people are ignorant, it humbled them and they'd choose to listen and learn more. nowadays, seems like the clueless they are the louder they talk. worse still, they talk proudly like they actually know shit.
Dec. 2, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST
in the sense that he makes masterpiece stuff. None of his stuff is masterwork. However, he knows how to keep his audience engaged and very entertained. He also is one of the most courageous filmmakers I have ever seen. The guy created THE TERMINATOR!! Not to mention that he has been a pioneer of pushing effects since his early days, with this movie not being excepted. Therefore, I say this movie is worth being pumped about. Just don't expect "Empire" perfection, he's never given us that. Expect something that feels new and exciting.
Dec. 2, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST
poop and pee
Dec. 2, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST
and what he does is make cool big budget (action) spectacle. kubrick or godard might have been cinematic genius, but if you give them $200 million to dazzle us, and they would fall short of what we could get from cameron. film as a medium could accommodate all these different kinds of artists and visions. to say that cameron is a lesser filmmaker when compared to kubrick or coppola is like saying hitchcock is a lesser filmmaker compared to truffaut, or kurosawa, or fellini, or wong kar wai. different artist just make different kind of movie. now if you're talking about michael bay, or sommers, or ratner, or even jj abrams(yes, i think he sucks so sue me), i'd agree... their films are pure junk.
Dec. 2, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
Nothing else matters.
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Dec. 2, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST
Cameron is an idiot.
Dec. 2, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST
father and killed my mother,when i was a kid.i hate it i say.
Dec. 2, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST
But the advertising really hasn't sold me yet. I most likely will see it but I'm going to wait for the reviews first. I am hoping it's going to be good but it has some much hype to live up to that it's going to be tough.
Dec. 2, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST
It is the LAST great action movie before hacks like Bay and Emmerich took over hollywood and expelled coherent action movies for 15 years. Truly not for the ADD crowd. I expect AVATAR to be similar, a very good genre movie that will not appeal to everyone. It should do better business because kids will love it (and kids made Star Wars what it is today)
Dec. 2, 2009, 4:49 a.m. CST
should sit on a bench an offer chocolate to strangers.
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Dec. 2, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST
the 50s and 60s mega epics,like the Giant,Gone by the Wind,etc. you know when Holywood did have true megastars,who were both attractive and talented,and was making classic masterpieces.Those movies were the summer blockbusters of the era,but after SW came out,that was changed.anyway.
Dec. 2, 2009, 5:54 a.m. CST
we live in the era where TF2 and 2012 are the blockbuster movies.jesus.
Dec. 2, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST
So haters and trolls , beware! He actually reads our topics ;)
Dec. 2, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST
Or is this just another clue into something i have suspected for some time, that Jar Jar Abrams BOUGHT AICN? Or at least it is his major shareholder? More and more i'm convinced of this.
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST
knows what he is talking about. Listen to him.
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST
Hey man, long time. Of course JJ backs AICN. What other movie on here got a full thread advertisement for the DVD release?
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST
TITANIC went through the roof as a couple's movie that captured a lot of repeat business from young women...the same crowd that's giving NEW MOON stratospheric results now.<p> I don't see that happening with AVATAR...the romance is fairly "bolt on" and typical for an action movie sausage-fest. Neytiri is a walking plot mechanism, serving to rope Sully into the Na'vi's plight...also a little too assertive to appeal to this "damsel" demographic.<p> That's why I'm predicting a $450 million worldwide take, with the possibility that its anti-imperialist message might "click" with the international crowd and gain it lopsided 60/40 overseas revenues that will boost it up to the $600 million level.
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST
O.J. Simpson was on the shortlist to play the original Terminator but Cameron did not think that "such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer".
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST
I never said Cameron's movies are bad. They are solid and you can rewatch them but for me they aren't perfect classics. Beginning with T2, most storyelements are broken down to the least common denominator so they can suite as many people as possible. The fate of mega-budget-movies is that they have to appeal to the widest audience possible. It's a legitimate goal, but all those movies will always have the mark "could have been better". Sometimes that doesn't bother me at all (e.g. STAR TREK 2009) sometimes it's pure horror (e.g. INKHEART) Cameron's movies are somewhere in between for me and i'm not yet sure were AVATAR will position itself. But that's just my two cents...
Dec. 2, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST
...for a movie art book?
Dec. 2, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST
ive told me teacher about it and he cant wait to see it. My friends are well hyped for it, so when you say its not working i duno who you are thinking of, coz i know ppl who cant wait to see avatar
Dec. 2, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST
'Twas the night before Avatar, and all through the Imax <p> Young nerds awaited, for ocular climax <p> Their hopes were hung by the chimney with care <p> Oh please don't crush them, my dear Avatare <p> In hopes that Iron Jim soon would be there <p> Our anus's were clenched, right there in the chairs!!! <p> When up on the screen there arose such a clatter <p> My bored father-in-law Woke up and said "hey whats the matter" <p> Off the screen the 3D came out like a splash <p> You would've guessed my eyesocket instead was a gash <p> The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow <p> This kinda reminds me of some smurfy kids show <p> But quickly halted was my talkback like ramblin' <p> For the eye candy was their, revealed by James Cameron!!! <p> And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name <p> On Thunder Cats and Smurfs, Delgo stay on your game!!!!! <p> And I heard him exclaim as I rubbed semen from my sight <p> Happy Avatar to all, and to all a good night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec. 2, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST
WHilst reading the carol for EXTRA fun. <p> http://tiny.cc/1fc98
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST
Feel free to use the carol and add to and or improve it, as well as the image. Instead of the moon and Earth, we really need Pandora in there! Somebody shop that in!
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST
there is an early review up on imdb. ive no idea if its real or not tho. So far its all good acording to the guy who wrote it.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST
Exactly, comandante, exactly.<br><br>And i'm not too bad myself, thanks for asking. And how are your excelency doing? You should post more often. This place needs some more doses of reason, if you understand my meaning.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST
I'm sorry to disagre with you, my brother geek, but Cameron has made classics. If i had to name just one, i would name The Terminator or Aliens. Those movies caused an watershed in holylwood history that are still felt. Suffice to say, no Aliens no Halo (which is just the tip of the iceberg of the whole influence that aliens caused in modern entertaiment, movies and video games). And no The Terminator there would be no Aliens, for The Terminator convinced the producers of the Brandywine outfit (the aliens saga production house) to hire him for the job.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST
people who use their free time,energy and creativity,to produce something which expresses their hate of a movie,which they havent even fucking seen.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST
... on account the only Imax screen in my country closed down a long time ago due to lack of audiences. Of course, they had a bit to blame themselves because all they screened was those short "docs" about whales and whatnot. Though to be fair to them, only very recently have the big movies start to use the format to show their movies. They missed the oportunity.<br><br>In some ways, maybe it's better that i don't get to see Avatar in Imax. Or even in 3D. That way i can judge at the movie for what it is, for it's own story, instead of being super-awed out of my skull by the visual pyrotechnics.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST
"Industrie" classics, okay. But no personal classics for me, sorry ;-)
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST
I'm an AVATAR fan. How am I hating on Avatar anyways?
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST
Pocahontas meets Avatar http://tinyurl.com/ya9g8a6
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST
Ya some nice editing there........loflcopter
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST
Work is slow and I'm broke, hence the caroling' and photoshop shenanigans. <p> I really wanna see Avatar, but 3D imax is going to be 15 per person (I will have to bring my fiance') and we obviously will want snacks and even if I sneak them in, well it still costs. <p> So $35 minimum plus the joint I have to smoke before hand for the 3D to work, your really making me work here Iron Jim. <p> Are you trying to hit me up for a fifty spot Jimmy? (it's gotta be a good joint to experience photorealism dont cha know) <p> I'm probably going to boot leg it and by a really cheap bag of pot. But I'm still a fan.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST
Through a haze of smoke will add a certain "atmosphere" to it for a more hand-held-docu like experience that's more like found footage or something. Like if teens got lost in Smurf Village and this was the footage they found.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST
The defenition of a classic is not personal to one single person only, but it's interpersonal. A classic is seen as such because it's memorable and remembred by the many, to a point it was not forgotten past it's imediate time when it was released. Lawrence Of Arabia is not a classic because i think it's a classic, but because it's foundly remmebered bfor the masterpiece of cinema that it is by many, many, many, many people. Personal opinions on movies has no meaning for the defenition ofm the staus of classic in regard to a movie. Your opinion alone on the matter means nothing. The Terminator is a classic, Aliens is a classic, regardless if you like it or not.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST
If that's the definition in the great geek bible, i apologize ;-)
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST
All this mega-hacks like Jar Jar Abrams, Michael Bay, Stephen Sommers, Paul WS Anderson and Len Wiseman and the like love to kiss the ass of Cameron and cannot shut up on how influencial he is on them. While completly missing the point of all of Cameron's movies in their own bastardization versions they call their movie careers. It's strange that Jar Jar Abrams wants to kiss up Cameron, on account hat didn't helped Michael Bay in any way. Jar Jar missed the lesson from the Bay's ass kissing. Or maybe Jar Jar is so arrogant the thinks where Bay failed he will succeed. I love to see this hacks play toilet paper to Cameron. It's hilarious.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST
Really shakes it around and makes me feel like I'm right there in the action, BAY STYLE. Like found footage cloverfield meets Thundersmurfs with some funny 'doh' moments by the guy whos filiming like somebody getting up for more popcorn and walking through the shot.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST
The Bay brand was not working.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST
Pirating it's way to laptops on December 18th, nothing else matters.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST
Then they should had given the movie Avatar to be directed by Jar Jar Abrams, the man responsible for saving Star Trek from intelligence, wit and sophistication.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST
the shitty cams of 2012 and Wolverine, comes AVATAR! It's blurry cause of the 3D, ok?
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST
I'm talking about how I want my pirated cam to be. Not the actual movie. <p> I want the guy in Europe or where the fuck ever that's fliming the theater screen to really give me a gritty found footage look.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST
... 2 days before global released.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST
.... two days before global release. 90% of the american troops stationed in Iraq will get to watch the movie before the rest of the world population.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST
I saw Alien Vs Predator 1 from that cam guy, and it actually improved the movie. The laughs from the audience helped make the movie far more entertaining then it really is.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
... that makes no fucking sense! But i got to watch Avatar before everybody else."
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST
Cam had this fat bitch that kept getting up and walking across every 5 minutes or so, like watching a silhouetted rhino walk across every few minutes, made the movie!
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST
Will be a torrent game changer. Probably will set records there. Lol
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST
boo-yah! jk Well, I'm just saying I know a bad advertising campaign when I see one since I'm in the binis. The trailers have been horrific up till now, way too fuckin' happy.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST
"i think AVATAR will be a torrent game changer. Probably will set records there."<br><br>Like The Phantom Menace did back in 1999?
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST
The terrible visual and sound quality of the recording made Jar Jar Binks far more endurable then when i later saw it in a proper theater screen.<br><br>Let me just say this: what's bad in movies, specially bad movies, is improved quite a lot by the Cam Guy's version. Maybe if i had seen Jar Jar Abrams's STINO in the Cam Guy's version, I would had a far more positive and forgiving opinion of it.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST
The party event that Prince didn't predict.
Dec. 2, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST
about he making classic films, but people can hit their peaks, look at spielberg and lucas, they've been putting out shit after shit. Except Munich, that movie was awesome no matter what anybody says, it wasn't Schindler's List. That's what's got people worried (its not hating before the movie starts), looks like a big project so far it has looked unimpressive people have hated the naavi, the advertising has failed in every way, avatar day jeesh... The should've just put Will Arnett this film will f*$k your eyeballs. Prepare for your eyeballs to be f&$^ked - Roger Ebert. Just make a campaign out of that. Brilliaaant.
Dec. 2, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST
in our opinion. I loved the new indy movie and the new star wars movies. they are two good directors i feel.
Dec. 2, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST
the advertising has failed in every way? explain yourself please. 1, advertising hasnt even started in my country yet. 2. major publicists and networks are totaly buying up avatar 24/7. MTV,FOX SPORTS,LG (sony in the uk) COKE, ect,ect. It seems the closer we get to dec 18th the more people are becoming aware of avatar, places like this stir up alot feed that im sure others pick up on in other site. peace.
Dec. 2, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST
I share your opinion regarding INDY4, but the STAR WARS PREQUELS could have been much, much better. Quality increased from pure shit (EP1) to "it almost feels like Star Wars (EP3). But the Prequels' problems wasn't (in my opinion) the direction, the problems were the scripts. Unfortunaly Lucas is responsible 100% for them also...
Dec. 2, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST
i was 12 or 13 when i seen it, and i knew nothing about star wars before that, so i wasnt walking in as a fan, i thnk thats why ive been able to love it so much coz i had no preferences.
Dec. 2, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST
i like the way u r keeping an upbeat outlook towards Avatar despite all the venom spewed at it in this tb. btw, fyi, 'saw' instead of 'seen' would be the proper usage in your post. keep the positive attitude, only a few more weeks! signed: your friend
Dec. 2, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST
A woman that has to be hosed down with an eight-inch sprinkler head attachment in lieu of a shower is nothing to brag about, son...
Dec. 2, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST
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Dec. 2, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST
we use the word ''seen'' alot more in N.ireland. its a dirty habbit haha. sorry yea ya know, i dont see the point in being nasty toward it and to be honnest all the bullshit is basicaly nitpicking. So far i havent seen anyone who has made a genuine debate or argument toward the film. Maybe some people have and ive prehaps missed it. anyway... Avatar looks cool, it looks fun. I dont care about all this game-changing crap and the ''BEST'' CGI ever. They alone will never hold the movie togther. The story has gota be srong and the characters relatable, and from what ive seen so far,that is indeed the case. It dosnt matter if this is a throw back to dances with wolves, that story is long over due to be told once again in modern film. Its a classic tale, and the youngins should know about it, which in this case is through the eyes of an avatar. peace.
Dec. 2, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST
One was a sequel. This is a new movie. What's the point? Are you that pissed off at Lucas you need to compare Phantom Menace to fucking everything?
Dec. 2, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST
one of my favs! cant stand jar jar tho lol
Dec. 2, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST
for me, the hype is gona make or break this film. i hope im wrong tho. Im really counting on the people who know nothing about this film, who will hear about it from word of mouth. Coz its those guys who i feel will be the people that will decide if this movie is worth the time. All the geeks in the world wont be enough to secure a major box office smash. Its almost show time.
Dec. 2, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST
was it u that said the closest imax was 140 miles away? how about 3-d? i feel that the best word of mouth will come after a 3-d viewing. Also, i fear the economic situation may hurt at the box office. the right movie at the wrong time sort of thing, i hope i am wrong though, i'd like it to be very successful. signed: your friend
Dec. 2, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST
Perfectly put, my friend.
Dec. 2, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST
under any objective categorization or criteria of cinema. To deny this is futile.
Dec. 2, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST
Dec. 2, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST
... turns out to be a bad movie. That still doesn't take away anything from Cameron's past acheivements. His previous movies will not became any lesser for that. And it will take at least for him to make as many bad movies plus one as the good movies he already made for people to have any right to start calling him a failed has-been. Avatar alone, IF a bad movie, will not do that.
Dec. 2, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST
yea its about 140 miles from my city which sux big time. but we have digital 3D cinemas all over the place. Cameron dose have a pretty good track record,but im not looking for any similarities or that ''cameron'' feel in avatar.(ofcource its there) I dont think any film makers body of work should be judged on what he/she has done before and how it stacks up today in comparison of their directory traits, trade marks or style. It dosnt matter right now what they have done, its what they are doing now as artists... that interests me. who is pushing cinema? Who are telling the best stories? That kind of thing. peace.
Dec. 2, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST
Shows a profound lack of common sense. Titanic was a well-crafted film, there's no two ways about it, while Twilight is shoddy garbage. But the biggest difference is that twilight ONLY appeals to teenage girls (as well as latent homosexuals like Spymunk). What is over-looked is that Titanic was such a monster success because it hit ALL demographics - teen girls were just the most obvious one. History buffs, Cameron fans, effects junkies, old people who hadn't left the fucking house in 30 years, all of these came out to see it, and helped propel the movie to its astronomical success.<p>Avatar can quite easily capture most of the above demographics - the only one I don't see it hitting is the older folks (by that I mean 55-plus).<p> And guys like BurnHollywood are completely wrong about the romance aspect being superfluous or 'bolt-on' - it is absolutely central to the heart of the movie, and if you've actually read the damn scriptment or even have a cursory knowledge of Cameron's past works (where love stories of either the parental or romantic kind are absolutely crucial to the cores of the stories) then you would be aware of this. Just because Avatar doesn't take on the overt genre of romance such as Titanic did doesn't deny this aspect. Neytiri is far from being a mere 'plot device' - you may as well claim any necessary aspect of getting the dramatic ball rolling is a mechanical 'plot device'. If the Jake/Neytiri relationship- which occupies a good hour or so of the heart of the movie (from what I can estimate of the plot structure and early scriptment)-doesn't work, then the whole movie will sink. That is Cameron's biggest challenge here - making a potentially ridiculous love story between two giant blue cat-like aliens affecting and real. And not to mention there is a whole 'romance' angle implicit in the world itself - we, the viewer, must fall in love with the world of Pandora itself in order to be involved with the story. I guarantee the female audience will lap all that stuff up.
Dec. 2, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST
I still dont think avatar will pull as many young girls as twilight tho, atleast not right away. We will see. But i agree with ya, the love relationship between jake and neytiri HAS to work. If that falls apart,then the rest of the movie will suffer. I need it to work if i can be honnest. If it dosnt i couldnt give a crap about huge sky battles, giant animals or how good the rest of the story may be. There has to be a connection between them, chemistry as they say, and if not.. then whats the point in the entire journey jake goes through including us.
Dec. 2, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST
if u have digital 3-d where you live, i say u r good to go. signed: your friend
Dec. 2, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST
yea im good! i seen xmas carol and UP a few weeks ago in 3D. its pretty good. i was in japan in october, which was a chance to see my first 3D movie. it was cloudy with a chance of meatballs...wasnt impressed. It was whatever kinda set up or 3D system they had. But i live in N.ireland, we have the lastest Digital and 3D systems from england, its awesome stuff.
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST
If you read the most recent interview with James Horner, he talks in depth about the emotional heart of the film, and how aware Cameron is that movies like this can become all spectacle and as a result feel empty. He assured us this was not the case with Avatar, and his music helped to make sure of that. Whoever said Cameron knows it's experience over story, that is BS. He knows without a good story the experience is useless, as proven by all of his films and recent interviews. Plus, for all you story snobs, you should at least respect that this will be one of the best action films of the decade. <p> If Avatar doesn't appeal to you, fine, but to try to pass your opinion that it looks awful off as fact is just silly. The movie looks great to SO many people, and nothing is gonna change that. Rarely do movies get people this excited. What's funny is most of the criticism on this site is completely useless because it's all talk that would make an outsider think people have actually seen the movie. Fact is, no one has seen the movie, so much of the criticism is completely unfounded. Sure I praise Avatar, but I'm basing it on Avatar day, trailers, featurettes, and tv spots, and of course James Cameron himself. Watching interviews with him it is obvious he still knows what it takes to make a good movie as much as ever. I acknowledge that the movie could disappoint, but to make idiotic claims like "the love story is bolted on", when you haven't seen the movie is just plain stupid. <p> The thing with Avatar is, anyone who wasn't a part of Avatar day as absolutely NO idea what seeing this movie is like. Your overlooking the fact that it's a cinematic experience like nothing we have ever seen. This fact alone will make this movie a monster hit, because it's sure to have insane word of mouth. This will be the movie to see over the holidays, guaranteed. <p> And here about the CGI shots of Stephen Lang? It's absolutely amazing, completely photo-real. Cameron has given us the first photo-real human in cinema. It's so amazing what he's done to further technology...regardless of whether you "hate" Avatar or not, I think everyone should I least be happy he's giving us an original film, and the fact that he refuses to just make an film, he had to challenge himself and push cinema to a place it's never been. He took a big risk which directors almost never do, and it looks like it paid off. That my friends, is commendable, and I guarantee a few years down the line Avatar will be considered a benchmark of cinema.
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST
Fucked up the last paragraph. Oh and I wasn't admitting the story was bad, it's actually fantastic and extremely nuanced. The whole avatar aspect of the movie adds a completely different dimension to this movie, something Ferngully and DWW do not have. All I'm saying is that if people are really gonna bitch about the story, they should at least be excited for the top-notch action.
Dec. 2, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST
http://i49.tinypic.com/2vwrzps.jpg <p> Quaritch in an AMP suit, confirmed to be 100% CGI. Amazing.
Dec. 2, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST
Dec. 2, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST
"right... that's why species is such a great movie. the creature is designed by giger after all. and how about that pumpkinhead movie, eh? wasnt that designed by winston?" --Except they didn't directly surf the wave of that small Alien gig. And if Ripley wasn't such a strong character in that first movie, it would have been very unlikely that the sequel would have her running from the bugs, yet again, in mazes under strobe lights, smoke and buzzers, with a kid under her arm instead of a cat. Anyways, don't worry about me hurting Cameron's feelings, I'm sure this empty barrel's opinion will leave he and his bazillions unscathed.
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST
It's as good as sequels and action movies get. And as different.
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST
Quite frankly, it seems almost surreal that Avatar is almost upon us. Just a movie - but hopefully, a damn good one.
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST
to go see avatar.
Dec. 2, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST
Of course Aliens is as good as it gets in term of sequels / action films. His best film by far, as I previously stated. But I think people should put things in perspective. Cameron is more akin to Pal than Hitchcock. Empty barrel out.
Dec. 2, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST
Not by half. Cameron is a top notch director, an expert craftsman in a great many aspects, not just technical doodah - and I don't say that as backhanded praise. To say that Titanic had only 2 strong moments or The Abyss is average is ridiculous and bears little resemblance to reality. Are we to attribute the qualities of these films to others, and discredit the fact that Cameron is the director of these pieces, the governing intelligence with a vision and putting it all together under his hand? Something I'm sure you would be quick to point out or attribute such praise had we been discussing directors you actually liked. One could give O'Bannon, Giger and Ron Cobb the credit for Alien by that rationale, not Scott - hell, Cameron actually wrote and originated the Aliens story which contains many of his recurring themes, while Scott was just a hired gun on a project that was alrady well under way. <p>No, I'm afraid Cameron is absolutely responsible for Aliens being the tight, intense experience that it is. He's responsible for getting the performances out of Harris and Mastrantonio in the drowning and revival sequences for The Abyss. The razor sharp and adrenalising action of all his movies(but hey, that tight as a drum editing is all praise due to the editor, right?)And he's responsible for the recurring and affecting emotional cores of his films - Newt isn't some interchangeable surrogate for Jones the Cat; superficial piffle.
Dec. 3, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST
someone says a movie is great because of every other factors, EXCEPT the director. that shows zero understanding of the filmmaking process. <p> i went to film school, learned screenwriting/directing, did a couple of shorts, and let me tell you that there's a machine-like precision to all cameron's films. the way he structured his screenplays, his staging and blocking, and especially how he designed his set pieces, it's all masterclass all the way. his dialogue might be lacking, his stories might not always be original, but damn if his story structure isn't tight, his characters arent strong and well written, or that he didnt always show us something we havent seen before, visually. even his so called worst film, true lies, have a climax that has been copied by the matrix(morpheus rescue), die hard 4(truck vs jet), M:I 3(bridge rescue), and it became the best scene in all those films. cameron's films are much studied and imitated by today's crop of action directors simply because no one else does it better. <p> have no doubt, cameron is a first class filmmaker. his devotion to the craft is obvious in all his films. he just choose to make genre films. and what's wrong with that? nobody faults leone for always making western films, or hitchcock for always doing thrillers with no depth, or tarantino for always doing pulp fictions. not two artists is ever alike. not everyone can be kurosawa, or scorsese, or kubrick. and not everyone can be cameron either.
Dec. 3, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST
in the first film, ripley was the last person from the entire crew to encounter the alien. it was by pure luck that she survived. and that's all she was trying to do in the movie, surviving. <p> in the sequel, she grew from being a bystander watching on the sideline to being a leader, a mother, and ultimately a warrior. ripley is now iconic exactly because of how she's portrayed by cameron - with a big gun in one hand and a child in the other. that's what people remember most when they think of ripley. if they go from movie one directly to movie 3, you think ripley will be just as iconic? riiiight... cameron did nothing in aliens. nothing at all. and your fart doesnt stink.
Dec. 3, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST
Bad joke. Sorry. But I'm used to JJ news here every day.
Dec. 3, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST
>>>in the first film, ripley was the last person from the entire crew [...] all she was trying to do in the movie, surviving. in the sequel, she grew [...] to being a leader, a mother, and ultimately a warrior. [...] portrayed by cameron - with a big gun in one hand and a child in the other. <<< And that's exactly why Scott's ALIEN (for me) is a groundbreaking new claustrophobic space thriller (as copied endlessly and even well, e.g. EVENT HORIZON, SUNSHINE) and Cameron's ALIENS is just a badass Sci-Fi action movie for boys. For me personally there's quite a gap of quality between those two movies. For me ALIENS is a movie, ALIEN is more than a movie. ALIENS and Cameron's other movies are good, no doubt but none of them has for me this extraordinary quality, sorry.
Dec. 3, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST
And that's exactly why (for me) Scott's ALIEN is a groundbreaking, claustrophobic space thriller (which was copied endlessly and even well e.g. EVENT HORIZON, SUNSHINE)and Cameron's ALIENS is just a badass Sci-Fi action movie for boys. For me, there is quite a gap of quality between those two movies. For me, ALIENS is a good movie, but ALIEN is just more than a movie. And for me personally all of Cameron's movies lack this extra portion of quality, sorry.
Dec. 3, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST
with oranges.alien and aliens,just like T1 and T2,are movie of different genre,and should be judged each one as standalone ,rather than by comparison. <p>Aliens is considered better that he original,because it talks more to the inner boy of the nerds.it has mechs,space marines,a tough female as the lead,big guns and a cool android,badass big bad boss,even a nuclear explosion.its a wet dream for fanboys,thus it takes more love than the original which speaks a different cinematic language.
Dec. 3, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST
James Cameron will be joined by cast members Zoe Saldana and Sam Worthington to share their experiences on the movie and answer questions from fans live, presented by LG. Click below to be a part of movie history only on the Official Avatar Facebook page and MTV.com! <p>Link: http://tinyurl.com/m6nspr <p>i would love to watch some of the haters here,to send their questions to Cameron ;)
Dec. 3, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST
on the facebook page.i loved the question if we ever going to get Bill Paxton as Navi in a sequel ;)
Dec. 3, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST
i sent a video question but i dont think he will answer it.anyway.
Dec. 3, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST
"Lofficier: How did you decide to have a little girl, Newt, being a substitute for Jonesey the cat in this film? Cameron: Yes, she's a surrogate cat, isn't she? It's hard to trace back some of those creative decisions. They just came up when I was thinking about the story." http://www.lofficier.com/cameron.htm
Dec. 3, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST
hitchcock was famous for thinking of his actors as furniture. and E.T in spielberg's film is just as interchangeable as any household pet(NO! E.T is actually a remake of LASSIE?? NOOO...!!)when it is seen from a writer/director's perspective. the director is the maker of the film, and before he makes the film, he has to construct the blueprint. and in this blueprint, you will not see newt, or ripley, or hick. instead you will see chesspieces and you will see plot devices. in the above quote, cameron was simply talking as any writer/director would. if you think the role of the cat from the first film carry the same dramatic weight as newt, then you're just being an empty barrel, yet again. <p> @geckobrothers: "groundbreakin"? narratively, it's the same exact haunted house story that's been made over and over. what's groundbreaking is the concept and design of the alien. you replace the alien with something less original, and it'd become much less of a film. plotpoint for plotpoint the story moves in a predictable pattern. crewmates got ticked off one by one, and then the last person standing has to fight off the bad big wolf. in aliens cameron at least throw some curve balls into the story. and if you want to talk about influence, aliens is perhaps the most copied film in history. look at the hundreds of B-movie that copied the concept, the space marines with big gun that dominates the gaming industry, or the tough girl with big gun hunting monster/alien down dark alleyways. the film is endlessly imitated, much more so than scott's alien.
Dec. 4, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST
It's a Stardust Memory moment.
Dec. 4, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST
My mind was clouded by images of strong women with guns