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Summit Pictures To Distend TWILIGHT: BREAKING DAWN!
Beaks here...
Realizing that the public could snap out of its sparkling vampire stupor at any moment, Summit Pictures is reportedly exploring plans to greenlight the fourth (and blessedly final) installment of the TWILIGHT saga, BREAKING DAWN, right quick. What's more, they're considering splitting the narrative into two films (to be scripted by rollin'-in-it screenwriter Melissa Rosenberg) and backing up the cash truck to Chris Weitz's house - because he's now the Alfonso Cuaron of the TWILIGHT series, I guess.
Variety's got the story, and none of it's confirmed. Whatever. Let's just consider this an excuse for me to link to Devin Faraci's uproarious breakdown of author Stephenie Meyer's sexually-deviant conclusion to her rock-brained series. As for why Summit would want to go the two-film route with BREAKING DAWN when this would require them to strike new - and quite lucrative - deals with Robert Pattinson, Kristin Stewart and Taylor Lautner... that will no doubt depend on the box office returns for the David Slade-directed TWILIGHT: ECLIPSE, which hits theaters June 20th, 2010.
Variety's Lil' Mikey Fleming speculates that Summit could force Weitz back on his knees for BREAKING DAWN before letting him direct his small, socially-conscious drama, THE GARDENER. Man, don't that pimp stick sting?
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We will see that beautiful abortion dubbed, Breaking Dawn. I want the tweens screamings as a fetus breaks out heroine's spine and her boyfriend performs a caesarean with his teeth.
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It'd be too weird with the alien type vampire birth and the following semi-pedophilia that goes on between said baby vamp and the lead werewolf.
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They'll shit out some other story and slap the 'Breaking Dawn' name on it, just like they did with the BOURNE series.
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Big fan of TWILIGHT. Glad they're doing two movies out of the book - as there are really two big stories in it. It deserves this. And CW did a great job on NEW MOON. It was really strong in conception. I think he knew what he was dealing with and handled the material quite well.
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Oh my....
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THAT's the line I'd like to see at the end of the whole vomit-in-the-mouth franchise. With luck, it'll crush the fantasies of untold legions of tweens, overaged tweens and lank-haired, whining, moping teenagers everywhere. And I will laugh, LAUGH, at their pain.
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And I hope you're not 30 years old. Otherwise, you have my deepest sympathies. Truly.
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And if it does indeed follow that batfuck insane novel, then I'll be a happy man. Cronenberg for director!
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That would be genius. Pure genius.
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THE TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN ACT I-II 1/4 and THE TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN ACT II 1/2-III.
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I have nothing to add to the masterpiece that was linked to in this article. It almost makes me want to read the book (I won't, but that was great).
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I just read the Devin synopsis. Meyer appears to have written the wackest jive in the history of shitty written-for-dopey-shitty-writing-loving fucknuckles ever. Eat it up, Twi-hards!! You bought into it, now you OWN it. EAT IT UP.
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THE TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN: WOLFY GETS A BONER FOR THE VAMPIRES' BABY DAUGHTER and the second one is THE TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN: THE VAMPIRES' KID GROWS YEARS IN A FEW WEEKS SO NOW SHE'S JUST WOLFBOY'S JAILBAIT INSTEAD OF HIS JONBENET. And I heard the author wants to do more books so the next one will be called THE TWILIGHT SAGA: CHRIS HANSEN AND DATELINE TO CATCH A PREDATOR DON'T CARE HOW FAST THE LITTLE GIRL AGED, WOLFBOY STILL GOT A BONER FROM HER WHEN SHE WAS A BABY, SO NOW WOLFBOY AND CHRIS "SIT DOWN AND TALK."
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Dec 01, 2009 1:35:43 AM CST
Don't knock Polanski till you've tasted 13 year old pussy!!!
by requisitemonkey
Oh know! I've mocked your precious Polanski, Harry! Will you ban me for the umpteenth time?
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These two songs are imo the best things to come out of this "saga". And they were both inspired by twilight, so it gets a break from me there. I know in my review http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43142 I talked shmaq about this series but I have to admit after getting over the insulting subtitles when Bella is sitting there as months go by, the song Possibility by Lykke Li fit it very well and it was written by her specifically for this fliq (new moon) after it was shown to her, and it's one of my fave songs right now.
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So how can you split it into two movies? Worst series of books ever.
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I read all 4 books in this series. For what the books are and who they are written for the first 3 books were good. The forth book though. Unless they do some "Bourne Identity" magic on it is going to suck even more than Full Moon.
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He said The National Domestic Violence Hotline have watched it and said that Bella and edward's relationship shows 15 signs of abuse. The first sign HE'S A VAMPIRE!!!!!!!
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"It's um, really dark," he said.
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is a damn fine thing. But damn I hate this shit so much.
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But if he passes, I vote Lars von Trier, or Gaspar Noe, or Miike. Yeeaahh.....
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Dec 01, 2009 1:51:35 AM CST
Dear God, are young girls reading shit like that?
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
This chick needs charges brought against her or a fucking award, I'm not sure which...... I think I'll go with charges and genital female-castration for the sick fcuk of a woman. Jesus fucking christ, this is the fucking end of the world.
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Dec 01, 2009 1:56:00 AM CST
spymonk, if your'e 37, we have nothing left to talk about
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I will never read another of your posts again, even if you respond too this. This is gonna sound harsh but...fuck it I hope you never reproduce, if you have already....good god. I loathe you and your worthless opinion. May the fleas of a thousand camel's infest in your ass and slowly eat you to a long,painful death....
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Dec 01, 2009 1:57:18 AM CST
My rage is killing my spelling....Fuck, just fuck.....
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
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Its Hollywood. The whole town runs on fear and greed. All anyone who lives there cares about is getting rich, high, fucked, and adored. And yes, I wish I was one of them.
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Spymunk once called Taylor Lautner, a 16 year old at the time, a "twink". Look that word up.
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If a bunch of middle aged fathers, "soccer dads", and shut-ins all lined up gleefully to see a movie about a bunch of teenage girls mostly in their underwear and bikinis, people would be calling the police.
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As fast as they're shitting these out they might as well be a CW tv series. Quality wise they pretty much are anyway.
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ftrealism.
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but I thought AICN hated CHUD, or vice versa or something. Why are you giving them traffic?
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Dec 01, 2009 2:31:33 AM CST
BillboeFett..just looked it up, The police are on the way
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Hopefully this guy cops it worse than my previous wish...
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With even more creepy pedophillic "vampires" and Mormon propaganda. I'm all pale and sparkly in anticipation.
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I know it's random but where are her videos?
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THAT would be a great way to (excuse the pun) de-fang and take control of the idiotic Twilight phenomenon. Making Breaking Dawn a HUGE geek joke before it even come out. Get it out there int eh media that people are loving this ironically would change the message the studio wants to send, and would at least make this whole thing fun to tolerate.
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Lisa Schwarzbaum, a middle aged woman critic, called Taylor Lautner a "tasty chunk of vealcake". But men are the fucking perverts.
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Dec 01, 2009 2:41:06 AM CST
someone should start a "DON'T CHANGE BREAKING DAWN" campaign
by industrykiller!
on the internet right now. Demanding that they keep every ounce of this ridiculous shit in there. Make a petition and send it to media outlets. It would be great to get some press mocking this fucker.
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To this day I still have no forgotten how she gave Oh Brother Where Art Thou and fucking grade of F on the principle that it was mean spirited. Moreover shes just a flat out terrible critic, she makes Glieberman look like Paula fucking Kael. It doesn't surprise me that joke critic softballed New Moon.
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..I have nothing to add to that. Hi.
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Fat, young and ugly.
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...of her friends are fat and ugly. lol And like I said before, young people reading books is not a bad thing. Especially not vampire and werewolf books! It's kind of anti-geek to bash that, really. I just wish they weren't so angsty and romancy and shit. Bleh! lol
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every movie and book into something pornographic.
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As a professional critic she should have seen the value of O Brother Where Art Thou. I read somewhere though that she has a hatred for the Coen bros. anyway, so that movie probably never stood a chance with her.
She also gave Alien Resurrection a B+, which I actually remember being an A in the magazine, but the website says B+ so maybe I'm remembering it wrong. That movie was not B+ material. -
I didn't say every Twilight fan, just the majority.
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Dec 01, 2009 3:00:06 AM CST
my favorite coen brothers was also co-written by sam raimi
by billboefett
Hudsucker Proxy. The hula-hoop sequence is just masterful. The music, the editing, the fast paced excitement. War and Peace. Nuff said.
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So is Twilight to film and literature geeks. I gotta say, I try to have a "to each his own" philosophy most of the time. But on Thanksgiving, my aunt, who's 40 but never really matured past 15, saw an ad for Avatar on TV and said "How stupid. I'd rather see New Moon again". My nerd rage was off the charts.
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started with matrix - hey lets not make one awesome film, lets make 2 half arsed ones. I think the hobbit is going to be fucked up because jackson can't help but milk it for all it's worth. Harry potter is hanging onto it's youth by making the last book book 2 films - and after that last film i have NO INTEREST in it anymore (it peaked at 4 and 5 for me) hey why not make twilight into 2 films. shit why not make it into 5 films. jesus just make every chapter into a film. at least Tarantino ended up having a good reason for splitting up kill bill - those two films were vastly different from each other. on the plus side, more twilight jokes over the next few years. I'm placing bets the last film is straight to dvd
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more shit!
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What a load of shit. If you consider yourself a geek and DON'T bash Twilight you arent doing your job. Twilight has NOTHING to do with Vampires or Werewolves, these are silly charicatures made up by a Mormon imbecile. She took all the danger out of those monster properties and made htemselves into a joke and the LAST thing on Earth I want is for the entire fable of the classic movie monster to become watered down garbage for a decade because of this horrid series of films and books. I'm not surprised you cant see the nuance here between what Meyers writes and what vampires and Werewolves are, because they are absolutely not the same thing.
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cnat wait to see it!
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Yeah, he's dead but if we shoot up his maggoty corpse with some of Mr. Herbert West Esquire's elixor then we might have a modern day Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Seriously, I'd have more respect for the Twilight series if they were played as parodies.
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Like he says, Get Cronenberg to direct that fucked up piece of shit and you've got my ticket money!!!
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What, did Stephanie Meyer stand you up for the prom back in the day? You seem inordinately pissed about the whole Twilight phenomenon.It behooves you (and everyone else who's got a bug up their ass about this) to keep that in the front of your mind: it IS a phenomenon, and will have to run its course before it vanishes from the public eye. You don't have to LIKE it... you just have to endure it, and ignore it as best you can.My guess is Summit Entertainment's gonna want to fasttrack "Breaking Dawn", and have it ready for release on 11/19/2010. No sense in forsaking that late November slot that has served them so well. Look for the DVD in March of 2011. After that... the embers fade to dust, and it's over.
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Dec 01, 2009 4:17:55 AM CST
I DEMAND MOVIES WITH X RATED FUCKING AND KILLING!!! NOW MOTHERFU
by tehcreepythinman
I've been on a HUGE 60's/70's exploitation kick the last few weeks and the movies they made back then kick the motherfucking shit out of the fucking trash that comes out today. Does Twilight have any gore? Nudity? Of course not, it was written by some Mor(m)on cunt who isn't even interested in Vampires or Werewolves as they all look like they should be serving in the Navy under Captain Homo on the USS Rimjob. Cunting fucksticks!!!
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Seriously, it features sex that almost kills people and C-sections with vampires. This is all girls fantasy apparently.
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Freddy Got Fingered is a misunderstood masterpiece!!!FACT!!!
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They're squeezing out an extra cash cow.
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These films are a fucking disease. Even more so than the crappy Harry Potter films.
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If they keep whorin themselves to this shit? How am I not suppose to slap those bithces?
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Amen, brother. The problem with "New Moon" (not so much so "Twilight") is that it sends a false message to the Twihard girls who so worship this hooey.Specifically: the character of Bella Swan. Kristen Stewart plays her as utterly selfish, inconsiderate, unwilling to listen to reason, and without a shred of charm or conversation. Most of which could be overlooked if she was a stone-cold fox, and she's far from it. And here we have Edward, Jacob, and that poor schlub Mike, all treating her like a fucking goddess. Don't eeeeven TELL me that at least one of these wouldn't have shown her their pimp hand by now.No amount of explanation would make Twihard girls understand this. None.
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Dec 01, 2009 5:14:13 AM CST
BELLA GOES INTO LABOR SO EDWARD GRABS HER LABIA.....
by tehcreepythinman
With both hand and rips her wide open only for the IT'S ALIVE baby to come screaming out towards the camera. THE FUCKING END. Every girl that goes to see this shit then goes straight home to sew their vagina's shut and vow to only do blowjobs and anal for the rest of their lives. Parents the world over sigh in relief that their daughters will never get pregnant by some ghetto trash.
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Dec 01, 2009 5:32:51 AM CST
SAMMY GRUBMAN : FACING UP TO THE PROBLEMS OF WOMEN........
by tehcreepythinman
This is from an editorial from Oui magazine. I did not write this but it comes to mind wheneven I hear about the success of Twilight. Let’s be reasonable and logical, and face up to facts. Women aren’t human; they’re not even like monkeys or orangutans. Those middle-headed, pea-brained, waste-your-money liberals might want to brainwash you into thinking that girls are good for something other than sucking cock, but you and I and every other sensible man knows better. These sluts were put on Earth to steal your money; be whining, complaining and arrogant; and to serve as reasonably comfortable holsters for your erections when one is aroused by the call of nature. First off, scientific research has it that women just aren’t the same as men. They don’t like things like camera’s or computers or state-of-the-art stereo’s, simply because the higher centers of their brains aren’t developed as well as a man’s. Furthermore, according to a very fine article in The National Enquirer it’s been proven that women aren’t as smart as men. It takes real guts to admit it, but women are mindless creatures….Don’t let those detestable, ugly, disgusting, sour-pussed lesbian diesel-dyke Women’s Libbers fool you, along with their cotillions of homo yes-men Women are most happy when they are serving their twins gods of Mammon and King Cock… Men work hard, make money, grind the wheels of business, only to fall victim to early deaths dealt out by the insane caprices of vengeful sluts…They should be rounded up in a pig pen with pigs and fucked with sticks and forced to eat filthy offal, and maybe then they would appreciate a fine figure of a man who wants to own and take care of them, even if he is perhaps a wee bit nervous and high-strung and suspicious of some people’s motives….
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This: http://tinyurl.com/ygfpx5u And thishttp://tinyurl.com/yjss8au say everything about these movies that needs to be said.
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for light shades made of human skin and a home made women suit. It puts the lotion on it's skin...
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Because my girl told me to approach it with an open mind. The movie is really just an excuse to go through the motions and setting up part 3. It wasn't shit, but Kristen Stewart's acting is really odd. She acts as if she smoked a purple haze blunt prior to filming every scene. And the Cullen kid looks like a big haired mime. But aside from that, many of the supporting characters are actually acting, and doing a good job at it. And the movie is way better directed than the original. But this is strictly for fans. And after hating it with a passion sight unseen, I have to just admit we are in the middle of a cultural phenomenon. Finally, I also watch "The Vampire Diaries" every week as well because it's her favorite show. The acting on that show blows the acting in the Twilight films out the fucking water...
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Dec 01, 2009 5:50:26 AM CST
Xiphos_2, HAHAHAHA........I SET HOMELESS PEOPLE ON FIRE AND.....
by tehcreepythinman
Pretend they're YOU :D
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Is a fucking lie... At the theater in White Plains, I did not see 1 fat unattractive girl going to see the movie. Not 1. All I saw were groups of pretty girls who were acting the way guys act at a big action movie. Laughing, joking, clapping. It was so odd to see it. But I have to say, Bella Swan is a typical bitch who lets Jacob take care of her and look out for her, but she doesn't give him the time of day in the end because she is caught up on the dangerous vampire who in order to be with him, has to kill her. What a fucking winner. But again, I think the women who go see this stuff, know it's a total vice.
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And approach it with an open mind. Next thing you know you'l be face down in a garbage can getting cornholed by a 7 foot tall black tranny wearing a blonde wig.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:02:55 AM CST
Mr. Profit, WELL I SAW A HEARD OF FAT PIGS STANDING.......
by tehcreepythinman
In line at my local theatre and when they gate opened they stampeded like kids at a fat camp seeing an ice cream truck. Afterwards I imagine most of them going home and crying about not being able to have a fag like Edward while drowning their sorrows in a tub of Häagen-Dazs with a Cool Whip chaser smothered in bacon grease.
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Wow, where to even begin? I'm REEEEALLLY hoping that some of those comments where just brilliant satire of a sad and lonely fanboy. Especially the part about listing off statistics and facts ala the National Enquirer. Also, not really going to defend the Twilight books or movies. I don't think they're the worst thing ever to come out in the history of existance and will probably be forgotten about after a few years anyways.
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Sorry that that happened to you. But in all seriousness, why is the default insult to be gay when someone doesn't agree and hate on something? All that homo-repressed rage aimed at a movie that made money just because it's aimed at women? You have issues. I never said it's art or that it's excellent, I just said I had to live and let live pretty much. you can't really stop a cultural phenomenon once the shit is in full swing. If I drag my girlfriend to total bullshit like Friday The 13th, Fast and Furious, 300 and every fucking action movie and she says nothing, I can't be a dick and deny seeing things she wants to see. What's fair is fair. That's what people do in relationships. And I know many guys who have seen this movie as well because of their girlfriends. A movie doesn't make 140 million in one weekend with Women alone. Also, if Avatar is to succeed in 2 weeks, it's going to need a large portion of women to go see it as well. But they wont.
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Or a flick each. Have Boll do the first one and fill it with tons of sex and violence, then Cronenberg does the second film, and scares the shit out of everyone, leaving Twilight fandom melting into puddles of sparkly goo.
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Although, the fourth book does follow an odd narrative, with each section focussing on a different character.
it is a good book though.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:09:43 AM CST
NotoriousBettyRage, MAYBE I WAS SERIOUS, MAYBE NOT ;)
by tehcreepythinman
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Not for nothing, but all of the men I see going to see many action movies are fat fucking slobs with stretched out t shirts who look like they would burst into uncontrollable tears if they were on a treadmill and were threatened by a trainer to go at a speed above 3.5. So it works both ways. But again, this shit isn't art. And I think the girls who read it know that. I had a co-worker who was OBSESSED with the books. And she was 29, she had a husband, was educated, and was hot. Like no bullshit hot. And she knew it was a total vice but she enjoyed it. I think a lot of people on here see fat bitches like "NuttyMadam"on Youtube and assume every Twilight fangirl is like that. But I don't think the majority of women who are fans take it so seriously.
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Yeah right. We will see about that, won't we.
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If it's a straight adaptation. The vampire asks the werewolf to knock up his wife? The vampire then fucks his wife into a coma? Then the vampire puts his baby batter inside his wife but the fetus is so strong she punches the mother's spine out from inside the womb? Then the vampire performs a c-section with his teeth? Then the werewolf falls in love with the baby as soon as it crowns? Are you kidding me? That wounds so insane, I will definitely be there.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:18:00 AM CST
Mr. Profit, YOU WENT SO YOU'D GET SOME FROM YOUR GF........
by tehcreepythinman
It's because you didn't have the balls to tell her that it wasn't your thing. When the movie 27 Dresses came out, I told my ladyfriend that I couldn't see that movie for medical reasons and went to see Rambo while she enjoyed her chick flick. Afterwards, we talked about both movies and agreed that neither would have enjoyed the other as she hated ultra-violence while I despise sappy romantic drivel. There are many movies that we can watch together but sometimes it’s important to know what your significant other will or won’t like. I wanted to see Rambo and knew that she would fucking hate it as much as I would 27 Dresses. We split the difference and it worked out for the best. It’s not important that you both share every interest.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:21:16 AM CST
From now on after finding out this any Twilight Defenders
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Can Fuck back off to NAMBLA, the kitchen, or Utah.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:22:14 AM CST
Mr. Profit, I SEE THE SAME TYPE OF MEN AT ACTION FILMS AS WELL..
by tehcreepythinman
They all look like Comic Book Guy and have personal hygiene issues.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:23:11 AM CST
Did you defenders even read the synopsis???
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
it sounds like something you read on a website that's scanned by the FBI.
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Because I never saw "27 Dresses". I don't plan to. But there are these holidays called Birthdays and Valentines Day where you defer to your girl in order to make her day special. So if on her birthday she wants to go out to eat and see "New Moon" I'm not going to go, "OK Bitch, I ate my Del Frisco's rib eye, you go see that Emo Vampire Movie while I go see Ninja Assassin." Shit doesn't work that way.
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AKA Terminal Virgin.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:25:07 AM CST
This tri-sequel will probably make more than New Moon!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Women are the target audience now so who gives a shit about men and their comicbooks and bayformers action figures!
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Dec 01, 2009 6:26:32 AM CST
I don't give a fuck about the in-between shit
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
if that's what my kid wanted to read in a couple of years and I found out this shit I'd be pissed. Thank god I found this crap out. I knew it was schlock, but now it's fucking banned. She can read Dracula or Frankenstein. Classics that are scary but not FUCKED UP!!!!!!
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Dec 01, 2009 6:26:33 AM CST
I have a sneaky suspicion that the BD films might be different t
by notoriousbettyrage
Just for the same reasons that OBSD brought up. That book just took such a sudden wide left turn from what the rest of the series that there was a small backlash. That would explain why Meyer is basically rewriting the first novel for the next book.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:29:30 AM CST
Mr. Profit, I'LL GIVE YOU BIRTHDAYS AND VALENTINES DAY.....
by tehcreepythinman
They are special for the ladies and I try not to be my usual self i.e...a bastard :)
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Dec 01, 2009 6:30:54 AM CST
Xiphos_2 GOES TO LESBIAN BARS TO SMELL THE SEATS!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Dec 01, 2009 6:33:07 AM CST
Ok I'm over-reacting to the film and novel, but the idiots.....
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
anyone who I come across, not just spymunk, who defends or likes this can get fucked. You no longer have my attention. If you pop up in another talkback I will pass you bye. Adios fuckwits. Have fun in your basements, meeting in disguise and waiting for the big bust....
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Well, I like the books, and the films,And I'm not an idiot
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Anything but that!
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I'm sure you're a tremendous idiot :)
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Cuaron made Potter dark and bloody and dirty and fun. This guy made this Twilight as boring as the previous.
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of just how fucked up humanity is as a whole, how do you explain islam?
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Thanks, Thinman...
And thank you, Andy Kaufman--I mean, "Stephanie Meyer", aka: the "Mormon Lady". Good times. Now make Breaking Dawn happen, bitches. -
the force and middle earth
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Wow. I know it was late and I was exhausted, but that shit was completely incoherent... I'm going to shun myself.
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Dec 01, 2009 7:17:11 AM CST
criticalbliss,it was more coherent than 1/2 the cunts here.....
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
You heard me, this website is full of stupid cunts!!!!!
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what's the non-sex vampire-pedo equivelent of Cunts so you Cunts can understand????? Ooh I got it...Sparkling Cunts.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ8jeIKG2Tk
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Dec 01, 2009 7:21:33 AM CST
THANKYOU GEORGE WASHINGTON..GOODNIGHT
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
BADA-BOOM.
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Since the final book is about 900 pages, I think; they're simply going the Harry Potter final book route.
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Oh yeah?? Prove it! Did you like Transformers 2?
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For a movie that was shot on a $50m budget.
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...then the film will be made. All the people behind the scenes gotta eat! Give it a few years and everyone (80% female) will be so embarrassed by their obsession with these films, just as most people still feel vaguely uncomfortable about Phantom Menace and Clones because they were, ultimately, really shit and just a cash-in. Still, didn't all the fan-boys get giggly about those piles of tripe before Reality came crashing in with Hindsight in hand.
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Mormonism = pedophilia, after all. Jesus Marimba, I'm glad I've so far been able to avoid any contact with this moronic (Mormonic?) franchise.
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...carry on.
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Dec 01, 2009 7:58:11 AM CST
WavingFlagsInSpace, TPM AND CLONES WERE ALWAYS SHIT!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
So is Revenge of the Sith.
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... to go to a theatre and watch the beam of a flashlight moving back and forth on a screen. As long as the flashlight bearer is an Abercrombie model, their tiny brains will be enraptured for hour after hour.
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...to brainwashed to get a kitchen knife when Hubby Jihadi is sleeping.
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Dec 01, 2009 8:09:50 AM CST
Schwartzbaum didn't review O Brother, Glieberman did
by nasty in the pasty
Glieberman is the Coen hater at EW.
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I was on a cross country trip through the USA and stopped in Salt Lake City, mainly to see the remains of the Saltair Pavilion used in Carnival of Souls, and couldn’t resist going to the Mormon Temple. HOLY!FUCKING!!SHIT!!! It was like I was on a fucking BORG cube!!!
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Dec 01, 2009 8:15:09 AM CST
Don't mention Weitz and Cuaron in the same sentence
by zombieheathledger
It's not even close. And yes, I saw Golden Compass and thougth it was shit. Cuaron is a filet mignon to Weitz McDonald's horsemeat.
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Resistance... is... futile. Read... this... book... about... how... Native... Americans... are... Jewish... and... the... Second... Coming... will... happen... in... Springfield... Missouri. You... will... be... assimilated. That... or... we... will... baptize... your... dead... great... grandparents. Have... a... free... copy... of... the... Book... of... Mormon... another... Testament... of... Jesus... Christ. Resistance... is... futile!
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no i hated every second of that crapfest
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And that Chud story was great, nice encapsulation of the last novel. How could a Mormon write fucked-up shit like that after three tepid novels? I agree with everyone: Only Cronenburg could manage to make that film.
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Look, brother, I've got zero interest in the Twilight franchise, but, seriously, you're going to give yourself a stroke or an embolism with this kind of rage over something so completely inconsequential. Do you frequently have spasms of wrath over shit like movies? Do Britney Spears fans send you into a homicidal rage? You might want to consider seeing someone.
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They believe the middle-class American family structure and sexual ethics predate existence.So in that regard, it's fitting that it's a romance series. But the way predestined lovers (your mate was determined before birth according to the Mormons, so your choice is clear and must be made this exact way) are represented with physical abuse (Sam and Emily), teenage until the end of time (Jacob and Loch Ness), stalker behavior culminating in a mix of Rosemary's Baby and Alien chestbursters (Edward) and the North American Man Girl Love Association-style child grooming (Claire the 2-year-old)... it doesn't help sell the religion- just come across as something Garth Ennis might've put in the pages of Preacher.
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In that movie a woman dies in a graphic scene that shows her GIVING BIRTH TO A FULL GROWN MAN. Can a fully realized Breaking Dawn movie make me shit bricks again???
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Now this looks like a vampire movie I can get my teeth into! (Apologies)
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http://tinyurl.com/y9f5v8f
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Dec 01, 2009 10:08:03 AM CST
This has worst movie of all time potential, please make it
by mortyseinfeld
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regarding the splitting of the final harry potter movie, yes, it is a wee bit of a cynical money--grab, but given how badly condensed most of the films were compared to the books, this appears to be a chance to see a decent movie made from that series. and in all honesty, they should have done this with all the books after prisoner of azkaban. there is just too much damn material in them. funny thing is, if twilight was written by a COMPETENT author with some respect for both the vampire/supernatural and teen romance genres, the books would not have nearly have sucked as badly as they do. i made it through about 25 pages of the first book before realizing it was complete crap.
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Dec 01, 2009 10:37:13 AM CST
James_O'Nasty, WHY DID YOU POST THAT? I CAN'T UN-SEE IT >:(
by tehcreepythinman
I sat stone faced during both 2 Girls 1 Cup and 1 Guy 1 Jar but THAT fat fucking pig made my eyes water.
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I wanna see if he will do a Bruno-ish flip-flop on the franchise or continue to pretend he still likes it as to not piss off Yoko.
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...all over again. This is EXACTLY how girls look at you fucking idiots whenever a new starwars movie comes out. I fucking love these twilight threads, so fucking ironic it stings. Every bit of vitriol you guys are throwing out can be thrown right back at you whenever some geeky comic book or sci fi movie comes out. I fucking love it! I hope stephanie myers makes like 10 more twilight books so they can be made into films, just so that this shitfest series can haunt your dreams for years to come! bwahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
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Dec 01, 2009 11:06:33 AM CST
James_O'Nasty, HAHAHAHAHAH*DEEP BREATH*HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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star wars (the originals at least) were critically acclaimed and pretty much changed film forever... twilight and its sequel have been shat on by everyone. just on RT alone, star wars has 94% to twilight's 49. come on man!
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Splitting Breaking Dawn into 2 movies means Summit (like Warner Bros.) is essentially printing hundreds of millions of free dollars.
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The world needs less of you.
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Get fucked.
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I'm with you. Yes, these are poorly written, but for many, they are fun and escapist. I love Predator, but it is not a well written movie.The same can be said for Terminator.
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There's no way they'll follow the book exactly. They'll give an excuse like "we want to give the fans of the series an exciting new ending that is different from the book so that everybody can look forward to it no matter whether they have read the book or not".
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Dec 01, 2009 11:52:18 AM CST
Balcony Fool, SMOKE MY COCK YOU PENGUIN MOLESTER!!!
by tehcreepythinman
The world needs me to balance out the cataclysmic levels of faggotry that you pollute the world with.
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Wife hated this book. She tells me she would love for the film to completely re-write the ending to the series.
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It pretty much killed his career and the poor bastard killed himself years later.
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stuffed his femur up my ass. Then I put it in his mouth and redid the dirt. Fuck you!
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Didn't realize I was dealing with 14-year-olds. Carry on.
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http://tinyurl.com/ylfxv8g this is how the world views the little man DOUBLE FACT!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/mkkjy
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..There's no way they'll stay true to the book.
It'll be like when the Hannibal novel came out and Jodie Foster threw a fit at the ending where Hannibal Lector's character drugs and Hypnotizes Starling into becoming his love slave.-Saying that it betrayed 'her' character. (Sigh! Book and film were atrocious but someone ought to have have told her that she didn't invent the character, and so if the author wanted to fuck HIS character up, he could do as he pleased there..) Nonetheless it didn't stop panicked executives from forcing a rewrite to satisfy her, which turned out to be ironically pointless, since she bailed anyway.. I predict that a similar scenario will happen here, with the film cutting out all the more outrageous book elements for fear of destroying their franchise.. -
Can't believe people care this much about it. Everyone knows its ass, but its a popcorn flick for teen girls, the female equivalent of Transformers 2. Let them have their fun and in a couple years it'll be gone.
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Is that the movie comes out before Comic-Con.
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Never seen them and don't plan on it.
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She used to be good but now realizes the what she has created (the Empire) so she did a complete 180 in Breaking Dawn to try and derail the whole thing (throwing Palpatine down the shaft) because she knows the evil she has released upon the Human race.Eh, she's probably just a total fucking wacko.
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...the amount of hatred for these books/films by geeks is kind of ironic. Pot calling the kettle blackish, ya now? I wonder how much of it is strictly the fact that she's a woman and most of the fans are female? Which is really kind of sad, because we need more female geeks, damn it! lol
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Woooooh, that's a sequel I'll pay to see.
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There are very few males that have a problem with the fact that Twilight is oriented towards women. What we can't understand is how so many women are so completely enamored with something that is of such poor quality, with a lead character that is basically a selfish emo bitch.I know alot of women like to defend Twilight by saying it is the equivalent of Star Wars, but that just isn't true. The original Star Wars was a legitimate cultural phenomenon, where even grandparents were going to see it, then getting right back in line. It had likable characters, an unselfish hero, a solid story, dazzling special fx and across the board positive reviews. It literally changed the movie industry forever.So you can see how we're confused, because the only thing Twilight has in common with Star Wars is ticket sales.
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Everyone seems to make fun of Twilight, yet it always does huge at the box office. That means someone has to be watching it.
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They're brainless, skanky, shallow, arrogant, bitchy, stuck up little middle class princesses that think the world should revolve around them and their idiotic feelings and concerns.
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But as long as you keep reacting to these posts AintItCoolNot will keep posting these things. And if you meet a girl who's into Twilight, bang her if she's good-looking and then dump her dumb ass.
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Also, I would have had the same "rage" against people who liked Transformers 2... but I couldn't actually FIND anyone who liked Transformers 2!
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Well said. I'm sure most of them see Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian as role models.
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...not even at gunpoint list.
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First, nothing will ever be like Star Wars again. Ever. Never ever ever. The world has moved on from that time and that's just the way it is. "Cultural phenomenon" doesn't even carry weight anymore as most of our culture is shit. IMO.
Second, I take umbrage with the constant negative generalizations of Twilight fans and say again - pot calling the kettle black. Because that IS the way a large portion of the world likes to generalize Star Wars geeks, comic book geeks, Harry Potter geeks, etc. etc. etc. My niece is a HUGE Twilight fan, as are about 20 of her friends, and NONE of them are brainless, skanky, shallow, arrogant, bitchy stuck up little middle class princesses who think the world should revolve around them and their NOT idiotic feelings and concerns. Whether you like it of not, they're Twilight geeks. They're behaving in the exact same manner we do when we latch on to something we feel passionate about. To see it any other way is simply being afraid to look at yourself in a truthful manner. -
and Watchmen.
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Stop this before it gets outta control!
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...the quality, while debatable, is something I know very little about as I've only seen the first film and have no intention of reading the books. However, I can't really argue with the lead character basically being a selfish emo bitch, though. And boring to boot!
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Would eat these half breed, twinkling, Powder looking bitches for lunch.
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How is this such a phenomenon if these girls don't identify with the lead character? Male fanboys usually bond with their favorites because there is something about the lead character that they want themselves to be. Identifying with and relating to characters is the bottom line for fandom. I think it scares alot of men to see young girls reacting so strongly to a character like bella Swan. Is it because young girls want the strong/silent protector to fall in love with them? Or are they really identifying with the character of Bella? In order to see themselves in that situation, they kind of have to identify with her. And that's scary.
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They don't like big titties unless they're attached to either Arnold Schwarzeneggar or Ron Perlman.
Apparently, Harry heeded their call and with some relief, they extracted their knotted panties free from between their abundant, pimply asses and life finally returned to normal, where they could fantasize about what flavor Chris Pine's cock is in peace. -
the fans would FLOCK to this site, and cream at the site of Campbell shirtless reading scripts.
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Dec 01, 2009 5:08:56 PM CST
BurnHollywood, UH, NO, WE DIDN'T LIKE SCRIPTGIRL BECAUSE......
by tehcreepythinman
She was a little whore looking for attention and figured that she could create a niche for herself in Hollywood by reading about script sales with her tits in a push up bra while wearing fake glasses and pretending to be a geek. It was blatant self promotion and we saw right through her act. If she was actually reading these scripts and making some sort of critique of their merits, or lack there of, while showing any sort of intelligent analytical prowess then I wouldn’t have had an issue with her. Funny how us menfolk get our nuts cut off when we don’t mindlessly slobber over whores like Scriptgirl or Megan Fox and call them out for what they are. Even funnier is how the people who call us “haters” don’t seem to get the irony that we don’t fall for shallow and superficial packaging unlike the millions of tween girl morons who run to see fucking trash like Twilight because it has a bunch of beekcake faggots with their shirts off. I always find it amazing how men are constantly castrated for caring only about a woman’s looks but are, in the same instance, attacked when we dump all over some chick who is obviously trying to get by on her physical attributes as opposed to her intellect. Also, FYI, I’d take a homely chick who can hold a conversation over some bubble head that looks like a model. Give me an intellectually aggressive woman who can make a good argument as to why the Twilight series is anything other than garbage written by a Mormon asswipe and I might concede that she has a point. But, so far, the only defense of these movies has been the “well it made plenty of money so it must be good” argument made by the fucking cretins that troll this board.
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I hated the first Twilight film, but the new director knows his stuff. He knows how to fashion myth, edit and pace film and story, and he knows how to direct actors and create tension. The first film's director clearly doesn't like or understand genre films or stories. It is obvious, that the new director loves genre material
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How was she looking for attention? Because she was attractive? God forbid some women are attractive. It was just nerdy insecure guys attacking a female because she looked better than them. That's all it was.
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To barbecue the idiotic emo vampires in this moronic series, and to shed some light on the gaping, canyon-like plot-holes and inconsistencies of Meyer's alleged writing.
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that were supposed to be white hot scoops that scared the top brass of Hollywood.
There was even had a guy who called himself "Disgruntled Chinaman" because she gave a bad impression of Asians.
You had rabid ScriptGirl fanboys who gobbled up all of her shitty shtick and the "haters" who puked it back up on their floor. And the cleavage shots and Red Bull cans... Man, she was terrible! -
i still cant get over the fact that hes gone from 30 days of night to twilight.... thats irony for ya.... boy id love to switch those reels around and scare the shit out of all the tweebs.
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Jeezus, do you need to get laid.
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Dec 01, 2009 6:17:29 PM CST
Show me a guy who thinks cleavage shots are terrible...
by burnhollywood
...And I'll show you someone deeply confused about their sexual identity who really needs to skip certain HTML links if they make them feel so uncomfortable...
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Dec 01, 2009 6:34:59 PM CST
BurnHollywood, I GET LAID PLENTY THANK YOU VERY MUCH......
by tehcreepythinman
Doesn't mean that I slobber over women, or put up with their shit, just because they stick their tits in my face.
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You sound like a great catch.
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If that aint The troll calling the other Troll purple!
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YOU get it. If the name TWILIGHT weren't there above the title, I think NEW MOON would be appreciated a lot more by even genre fans than it is now - a lot of the negativity is from the name. It was tightly-direcred, well-plotted, had good ups-and-downs in the arcs of the characters, was fast-paced and exciting throughout.Nojokes - I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm trying to make peace. Yeah, Taylor Lautner is good-looking. A twink is just a type. Zac Efron is a twink. It's gay culture slang for someone who tries to appear in that particular vein (lol) of dude who appeals to pop culture sensibilities. That's about it.Now, on a more serious note, y'think you could maybe lay off the nasty comments about other users' personal life? Aside from being really hurtful, they're not true. If you'll notice, one thing I never do on here is go after someone for their personal lives - whether something is true or not! Isn't it more fun to go after the stuff we all geek out about than make personal attacks that aren't accurate or true? SRSLY.
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Can your screen name be any longer asshole. Kobe Bryant is fucking overrated.
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Dec 01, 2009 8:36:30 PM CST
Lockes, can your comprehension skillz be any worse asshole?
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
No, I don't think they can.
Read the Nick again numbnutz - it says Hey Kobe tell me how my ass tastes - ya think I might be a Kobe fan dickbreath? -
And yes, Cronenberg for director!
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What's so mormon about this series? I'm not familiar with the mormon religion or the author, so I was wondering where all that came from.
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Mainly, the Mormon element is that the whole thing is a parable for pre-marriage sex being evil. "But I want what you have NOW! I want your sting TONIGHT!" "No! My love, you must wait 'til after we are wed!"
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Oh? Just like those so called Christians that have affairs?
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I read this thread hoping for some Twilight-themed LoLs, and instead found stereotypical fanboys spouting their stereotypical misogynistic crap.
Know why there aren't any girls at Cons or in Comic Shops? It's not because they're all seeing Twilight, its because they don't want to be anywhere near you.
Ever wonder why we congregate online in droves? It's because we're hiding from the vocal minority of fanboys who can't, for some reason, figure out why "all those little whores" don't want to talk to them.
But hey, what do I know? I'm just a comic dork whose elbows are sure to be too pointy for the majority of internet tough guys in here anyway. -
I found out about Twilight from a woman who I carpooled with and had a ridiculous amount of feelings for. Listening to her talk about the series everyday and how it turned her on drove me nuts. A very long, long, crazy, life altering *on many, many levels* later I'm crazy in love, having sex with a smoking hot chick whose actually a geek at heart (okay her love of Buffy played a role too, so sue me Herc got me hooked years ago) and coudln't be happier. That said I made a fucking mess outta my life...wow...but that crazy Mormom Meyer sure changed my life. I mean wtf man? Crazy.
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getting at. At sithmenace, I understand where you are coming from about Luke being a goody two shoes and how boys relate to him because of that, and that's usually where the fanbase comes into play, by relating to the main character. I think part of what makes bella attractive as a main character is the fact that she's so flawed. It's almost refreshing to have a selfish main character who's sole purpose in the story is to get her man no matter what the costs. So she's not out to save the world or galaxy, or bring about some epic change that will change the destiny of the galaxy, so what? Do we really need ANOTHER protagonist like that? We have enough hero characters. It's about bloody time we got a flawed selfish one. And no I'm not talking about a cool, bad boy riddick type either. Bella is just a completely normal, average looking, boring person with a mundane life who wants supernatural powers and eternal love. Doesn't seem all that bad of a main character to me. I think alot of people can relate to not wanting to be a shitty boring human doing shitty boring human things until we die of old age.
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AWESOME observations. You really get it, and it is that complexity of the characters that is the biggest reason TWILIGHT appeals to me. A lot of people say "Oh, it's just dudes with their shirts off," but it's not. If it were, girls would not READ THE BOOKS - WHERE THERE ARE NO PICTURES. It's a book! You get inside Bella's head, and she IS deeply flawed. She's a fascinating character and one worthy of analysis rather than dismissal, esp. because so many modern girls identify with her. And yet, people on here throw out nasty comments about people and call them names instead. :(
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Man, I'm just struck again at how on-point your post was. You get the whole heart of TWILIGHT 100 percent. :)
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As filmmaking goes, New Moon is far superior to the Potter films, separately...or in their entirety--films which have no real sense of tension, jeopardy for the characters, or any real humor, and or, any real sense of respectable action that makes you want to jump-out of your seat, or want to? There is nothing intriguing about Potter or its characters, they just fall flat as 2D personas that are not flushed-out. New Moon however, was funny, emotionally tense, and it had great pacing, unlike Potter, which is slow, boring, cold, and largely empty of a pulse?Lastly, New Moon is well integrated...something that Potter is not, other than spotty appearances of people of color, who have no real story arcs, and only serve as the obligatory PC castings, but there is no serious courage in showing them as fully realized human beings? Twilight at least has the courage to do that with the Native American part of its cast...and I say Bravo!!! I hated the first Twilight film, but this new director who was brought in to do the sequel, really saved this series, and turned it into a franchise that puts Harry Potter to shame!!!
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I mean it man--someone that special doesn't come one's way everyday. If you like it, put a ring on it! Don't just look at her as the hot chick you fell in love with, show her you love her by your deeds--show her that you love her for the soul inside of her, and know, the rest is just frosting on the cake. Congratulations Dude, you are a lucky man. Marry this girl and have plenty of babies, nothing matters more than that! God Bless you both...and here is wishing you the continued best!!!
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...I watched her and always Poor scriptgirl. If only she jiggled more and realized that natural boobs look better than pushed up cleavage.... and if she'd worked on her voice -- she coulda been huge
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Like I have said before, she could have made a great boxom alien leader in the V remake. Sadly that was not to be, but I could see her doing roles on series like Chuck, as a villainess spy. I really see her as someone with with potential as an actress. There is something about her? She isn't the prettiest woman, although attractive, but her sex appeal really trumps so-called classic beauty. Something about her says, sex...and in a big way, I mean, you can't help but to fantasize about her--her look is very exotic!!! I have witnessed a lot of pretty, if not, outwardly beautiful women in the media. They have model good looks, and many are models...but so many don't convey the word sex...or sex appeal, Script Girl has that--when you see her, you think, "I'd love to Fuck her!!!"...and in a hard porn sense. I recall, that si how Jennifer Beals got the role for Flash Dance. Michael Eisner asked a room full of his male executives their honest opinion about their final picks for the lead role. He said to them, "Be honset with me, and don't edit yourselves, tell me, which one of these girls would you say that you want to fuck?" All the execs picked Beals. That is a true story, BTW!!! I don't mean any disrespect to Script Girl, and she is no Jennifer Beals, but you get my point...when you think of he,, or see her, you just think she would be wild in bed, and that is my point. She sticks out for that, where so many women don't!!!Let's hope she gets a role on Legend of The Seeker or something of that elk, as she would make a wonderful impression as one of the Dominatrix'. I'm telling you, I have a gift for spotting talent, and she just stands-out in my mind--she would be great in sexy vixen roles, I just know it!
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Dec 02, 2009 12:39:33 AM CST
Mediah Messiah: New Moon better than the Potter films?!
by criticalbliss
Wow. Nothing you ever say will mean anything to anyone ever again. Congratulations.
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Like I have said before, she could have made a great boxom alien leader in the V remake. Sadly that was not to be, but I could see her doing roles on series like Chuck, as a villainess (spy). I really see her as someone with that kind of potential as an actress. There is something about her? She isn't the prettiest woman, although attractive, but her sex appeal really trumps so-called classic beauty. Something about her says, sex...and in a big way! I mean, you can't help but to fantasize about her--her look is very sexually exotic!!! I have witnessed a lot of pretty, if not, outwardly beautiful women in the media who don't have that natural eroticism. They have model good looks, and many are models...but so many don't convey the word sex...or sex appeal, Script Girl has that--when you see her, you think, "I'd love to Fuck her!!!"...and in a hard porn sense. I recall, that is how Jennifer Beals got the role for Flash Dance. Michael Eisner asked a room full of his male executives their honest opinion about their final picks for the lead role. He said to them, "Be honest with me, and don't edit yourselves--tell me, which one of these girls would you say that you want to fuck?" All the execs picked Beals, to a person. That is a true story, BTW!!! I don't mean any disrespect to Script Girl, and she is no Jennifer Beals, but you get my point, when you think of her, or see her, you just think, "She would be wild in bed, no limits, and nothing would be forbidden", and that is my point. She sticks-out for that, where so many women don't!!!
Let's hope she gets a role on Legend of The Seeker, or something of that ilk, as she would make a wonderful impression as one of the Dominatrix'. I'm telling you, I have a gift for spotting talent, and she just stands-out in my mind--as she would be great in sexy vixen roles, I just know it! -
I cant believe how many dudes are threatened by twilight. Its embarrassing. Chicks now have their blockbusters, twilight, sex and the city, and they are no more or less idiotic then transformers, seriously robots that change into cars???, or whatever other series you want to bring up. Twilight exploits female fantasies in a fantasy/geek environment, forbiden love, bad boys, danger, clans and drama etc... just because they don't feature adolescent male fantasies like revenge, the underdog gaining power, respect and don't use violence and fear/suspense based on physical danger and instead focus on relationships and interpersonal drama makes then no less ridicules then a man dressing up in a rubber suit and kickboxing a psychotic with green hair. Genre films are no longer the strict domain of adolescent males, and neither is mass market supernatural themed entertainment. If you cant realize how absurd your own geek classics look to your average female then you have no ability to see them with fresh eyes. How do you think most women feel when they see megan fox lounging on a harley in short pants, dripping wet and in slow motion wearing enough lip glass to wax a floor? The same as you feel watching the werewolf guy take his shirt off for the 10th time.
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The Potter films are very quiet...and ponderous, most of the time? The plots meander everywhere instead of giving us a linear plot, and they are very slow to unfold. For its part, Twilight: New Moon, handled its subject matter...and got right to the drama, romance, and action. Unlike the first film, which was often embarrassing, this film was solid, however, the Potter films show no joy in filmmaking, it is just a paint by numbers franchise. At least with New Moon, the filmmaker had some fun with the characters...and made you feel a sense of jeopardy for them and some joy, with Potter, however, you feel no fear for them at all, and no real emotional joy or connection? The world of Harry Potter feels like it is made out of a child safe Nerf football, and that is where it fails. They need to cut-out the fat, and all that dumb flying on brooms sports game stuff, and enough with the angry stares of teachers...already...and their endless posing for the damn camera to glare at Harry, and get to the plots, and some real threatening...and epic action.
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Where were you and Warcraft when I was getting my ass handed to me the last five days? :)
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If Meadowe 2009 were to meet Meadowe 2005 and said that in 2009 arguably my fave fliq would be about an old man who ties balloons to his house to fulfill a promise to his deceased wife, oh and he has a talking dog, I would just think it's a relative that looks like me that I never met and is just bull$h&tng me. And perhaps not too coincidentally the director is Pete Docter who direqted my other fave pixar fliq Monsters Inc. That said this "saga" had/has the potential to be as "phenomenal" as it's tiqet sales. Like I said in an earlier post I don't know why people go gaga for this shtuff, but the fact that it inspires Haley from Paramore to write Decode and Lykke Li to write Possibility it gives me some hope for this. By the way one of my Meadowechlorians gave me a copy of the new moon soundtraq because she knows I really dug Possibility by Lykke Li, and because the version she gave came with the dvd of Deathcab for Cutie talking about the song/video they did for new moon, and I like them because Chris Walla produced Tegan and Sara's awesome cd The Con. Anyway there's some great traqs like Shoot The Moon by OK Go, The Violet Hour by Sea Wolf, Hearing Damage by Thom Yorke, and of course possibility by Lykke Li.
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Dec 02, 2009 1:25:28 AM CST
There's more emotion in one FRAME of Prisoner of Azkaban
by criticalbliss
than the entire, ponderous Stephanie Meyer novels or films with their lifeless characters and a thoroughly deplorable Bella. While I'm fine with people enjoying these films, I wish they'd be honest. I enjoy Transformers (the first film) because it was dumb and stupid, but still fun. I'll never argue it was a "great" movie. Why can't Twinklighters do the same?
By any stretch, subjective or otherwise, the Harry Potter series is far, far superior to anything Stephanie Meyer has written (and so are the films). To argue otherwise is simply ridiculous. Enjoy New Moon, but don't kid yourself. -
Dec 02, 2009 1:26:21 AM CST
That's like saying The Jonas Brothers are better than the Beatle
by criticalbliss
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I don't know. They're both overrated.
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Harry just stopped linking to them. Apparently she sucks now, just like Bruno, Twilight movies, Godzilla USA, etc.
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I hated the original Twilight...and was threatened by it...and all the advanced hype--that is, until I saw the sequel. I am a big Buffy fan, something else, I was once fearful of, until I started watching it. I am glad to say, that New Moon changed my view, and I no longer see Twilight as a threat to my manhood, or as a Buffy rip-off, more like something inspired by Buffy. The geek community needs females involved en masse, to fuel it, and keep it healthy and growing.Years ago, I can remember spending hours in comic books shops hoping I would see a girl walk in and find them, comics, to be as amazing as I saw them as. No such luck? And...as months...and years past, there was a time when I saw girls working there, at the various comic books shops that I would frequent, but they just didn't get comic books then, or fantasy and science fiction films--so no geek girlfriend for me? I couldn't share Star Wars with anybody, or the Legion of Super Heroes, nothing? No girl I met, got those things, not even Greek Mythology-- they hated it, or ignored it, all? I have loved fairy tales, and learned to like romance novels, when I was younger, then...I fell in love with Xena...and Buffy, and before them, the women in X-Men...and The New Teen Titans comics...of the early 80s. I am happy to see Twilight carry on, where Joss Whedon has successfully dropped the ball--one of the biggest blunders I have ever seen in the history of the entertainment business? You have a franchise, and let its fans and the media supporting it, fall right through your hands? A complete shame? Good to see we now have someone to carry the torch, and this young lady who wrote New Moon, despite her critics, is very imaginative...and has created a mythos of her own that bests the trite, simple, and immature fluff...that is Harry Potter. That said, I am so glad to see that two women have emerged to point females toward the wonderful world of fantasy, and many more...have arrived...and there will be others in the future.To the geek girls out there--you rock and rule--now go and write your own amazing genre novels, and or, scripts--and show these geek guys, you can write with the best of them, if not...better!!! And PS, that Megan Fox scene on the motor bike...was so over the top, and intentionally exhibitionistic and voyeuristic, it actually was very unsexy...and gross???!!!
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You know you'd do her if she ask. If not, you're probably gay for Edward.
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The under-current, and over-current, of the books and films...etc., is about sex, and the forbidden fruit. Transformers is about robots, and Harry Potter is about kids playing with magic, but there is no real subtext there? Twilight and Buffy are about being tempted by sexual seduction--wanting to be seduced, seducing, and being the target of seducers. They are about Bella and Buffy wanting to test their sexuality, and wondering are these, the men in their lives, a threat? Vampirism and Werewolves are metaphors for men and teen boys looking for sexual conquests, and being attracted to young females. The blood metaphor has to do with young girls becoming fertile and having their periods...and all this, instintively, drawing males to them, no different than animals mating in the wild, and the violence and drama surrounding it all. The break-ups, the fighting, the threat of rape, date rape, statutory rape, gang rape, group sex, sexual experimentation, May/December romance, abuse in relationships, and love games that can turn-out very badly, the selling of sex, and the buying of it, and so on!!!And being a vampire, that represents someone who is sexually active and insatiable--it also represents the threat of STDs, like AIDS and HIV, etc., and the greater risks of romance...and dropping one's physical, mental, and emotional guard. Sex can aslo be addicting...as well as relationships, and this is what these stories speak of.Harry Potter has no such deep context...nor does Batman, or Transformers--sex and romance is just tossed in after the fact, in passing, but at the core of the modern vampire myth, it is all about the consequences of sexual seduction, dominance by permission, willful submission, and force...without permission, and submission without consent or secret, and yet unspoken... willingness. Twilight and Buffy are about one's sexual awakening and how scary it can be, and is. It is a mine field of troubles and dangers. Bella and Buffy want to be bitten, alright, they want the men of their forbidden romances to take their respective states of virginity...and educate them on sex, until they are fully realized women--risking the danger of becoming whores, or victims of rape, STDs, early pregnancy, murder, abuse, etc., or walking through the trial by fire, and making it through to a true love that lasts a lifetime. That is what these works, again, Twilight and Buffy, are all about, and Potter is still just about magic, with relationships thrown somewhere in-between, and Transformers...about robots...with Megan Fox' ass, and hints of story thrown in-between the action segments, and Batman...well, it is a psychological tale, the pseudo mental study of a man who wishes to avenge his dead parents...so the studio can sell toys to kids? Twilight and Buffy are hiding their motives, but at least, they are trying to say something of import, where as the other properties have been so mishandled, they have nothing to say other than..."How do we sell more toys...and other merchandise to kids and fan boys???" Twilight and Buffy give us stories with great hidden and subversive depth...while selling us merchandise, yes, still...that is something that serves to stir the spirit, heart, body, and mind, amid emptying your pockets of cash, that is!!! I'll take that other the empty and worthless...false emotions of fan boy based movies these days, that have no soul.
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...but if she is going to put her ass in my face, I would prefer it be done for the audience of me alone, not the whole damn world to watch! A man wants a woman to be a whore, yes...but a lady in the street, and a whore in the bedroom. Likewise, a man should be a gentleman in the streets, and a whore for his lady, in the bedroom!!!
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Actresses have always been shoving their tits and ass in our face for as long as there have been movies. You prude.
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Actresses have been told to do that. There is a difference. I am no prude--I take that back< I am a selective prude. I just realize when I am being sold sex, versus being the recipient of something more than simple tiltillation, intellectual and emotional seduction should go with your sex, besides, prudes are said to be better in bed than most people, because they suppress their sexuality, instead of having it all hang-out there, all the time. In other words, prudes are closet freaks. Look, I figure, if a women is going to place her ass in your face, stop with the dick tease, and go all the way, that is...if you've got the guts--then have the courage to do it! Give me a Hard R movie already, but Transformers doesn't have the courage of its convictions. Twilight and Buffy, especially Buffy, are more honest in that respect...but the female audience doesn't like in your face sex, but in the case of male oriented films, males do, but don't tease me Transformers producers, or Megan Fox--either take it all off, or don't put it out there!!!
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you make good sense. The only harry Potter movie I liked was Goblet because of that sexual undercurrent youre talking about, the rest have done nothing for me.
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Harry Potter has many levels of metaphor and subtext. The Dementors are representations/manifestations of depression. Tom Riddle/Voldemort's whole bit about shattering his soul by taking a life (something you dismiss as "magic", when magic in this series is used to personify broader themes) is about the corruption of power and the result of it's abuse. Potter deals with themes of sex and coming-of-age even more deeply than Twilight--it just doesn't do so in a banal manner utilizing self-obsessed protagonist.
It's far more literate in that sense than Twilight, which has little depth other than "sex: the forbidden fruit".
I'm not dismissing the pavlovian effect it has on the female psyche; that's a fair response in that Meyer has tapped into a primal feminine trigger point, but in a very crude and two-dimensional way. -
...other than to sell toys, the same with Transformers, Harry Potter, and so on. It is all junk food for the mind, nothing else. How about getting Batman beyond just his mission statement? Yes, he is doing what he is doing to avenge his parents and other victims of crime, but in focusing there...and solely there, and ignoring all other possibilities for the character to explore, you don't evolve the character anymore. Bruce Wayne and Batman are becoming caricatures of themselves...because they are solely boxed to sell toys, the same thing that has happened with the last 4 Star Wars films--they are hollow shells of the first two films. I would love to see Bruce leave Gotham for a movie or two, and have the action unfold...elsewhere with other motivations for Batman, beyond the cold and stale framework of avenging his parents and endless re-plays of shots of his parents being killed. Stop with Groundhog Day already!!! Twilight and Buffy...like the Romeo and Juliet theme reflected in both, is about forbidden romance, and star crossed lovers who will betray all...including their rebutations and standing in their families, for the passions of their love. Better death than being without each other. That is a timeless theme that always works, even the threat of a love triangle adding complication to their world view. See how it worked in Star Wars, when it was being played-out to pluck your heart strings--but when Lucas diverted from that, he lost much of the steam that had been building for the inevitable conclusion. You just knew Han and Luke would get into it over Leia...but the explosive nature of that possibility was lost when Luke was named as Leia'a twin brother? No fireworks there, no conflict between Luke, a believer of The Force...and Han, essentually, an athiest. Well, with Twilight, and Buffy...they went there and showed us the power of the fully executed love triangle archetype. Harry Potter lost that chance just like Star Wars, as its main 3 characters should have been fully launched into that, a love triangle, or even the plot of The Dark Knight, Transformers 2...etc.--but those films whimped-out and placed selling toys--action, gadgets and gizmos, being the vector of that business model, over character development. That is why we are being sold so many lacking paper thin films...and why the geek girls are having all the fun with better material, where as we, the fan boys, are now getting two hour long toy commercials dressed as blockbuster films???
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There are bits of sexual subtext in Potter, but they are treated as side notes to the story, Twilight and Buffy, in the center of there creation, everything that they are, from start to finish is truly about one subject and that sex, romance...and its complications, that is what makes Twilight and Buffy so interesting. The same is true of Legend of The Seeker. It is about sex...love and romance, all else, everything else in the stories (Vampires, Werewolves, Psychic Powers) serve as metaphor to advance the discussion about sex. Again, the Batman films, Transformers, and Potter, give us personal intimate stories of the characters, as an after-thought to the primary spectacles and high concepts of the fantasy and science fiction within them, not intimacy in personal relationships as the primary focus of the story. The latter, is the secret of Twilight and Buffy, and why Titanic was such a big hit with women, a fact that is being lost on so many in the entertainment industry?
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Dec 02, 2009 5:19:54 AM CST
Amended--Potter...On Sex--T: Harry Love And Criticalbliss
by media messiah
There are bits of sexual subtext in Potter, but they are treated as side notes to the story, Twilight and Buffy are different, for at the center of their respective creations, everything that they are, from start to finish, is truly about one subject, and one subject only, and that sex, romance...and its resulting complications. That is what makes Twilight and Buffy so interesting, as that is the most imporatnt part of all of our lives, beside the daily grind of survival--but even that is a part of the fabric, ultimately. Sex and romance impacts your survival, and how you survive, where you live...and your career and social choices, even religious views. You read the post earlier from the guy who said love saved and changed his life?On the suject of sex and love being core to a story, the same is true of Legend of The Seeker. It is about sex...love and romance--all else, everything else, in the stories, from Twilight to Buffy and Seeker, (Vampires, Werewolves, Psychic Powers) serve as metaphor to advance the discussion about sex. Again, the Batman films, Transformers, and Potter, give us personal intimate stories of the characters, as an after-thought to the primary spectacles and high concepts of the fantasy and science fiction motif within them, not intimacy in personal relationships...as the primary focus of the main story, and thus, the spawning ground of the concept. The latter, is the secret of Twilight and Buffy, and why Titanic was such a big hit with women, a fact that is being lost on so many in the entertainment industry?
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in charge of a creepy story, masquerading as a virginal romance that gets steadily more pedophiliac as it goes on.
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what did you think oif star wars attack of the clones romance?
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Hollywood should make a movie about a sparkly daytime effeminate vampire that falls in love with a depressed female giant robot that turns into a Ford Mustang that travel the world with her three slutty, shoe obsessed girlfriends fighting an international shoe terrorist organization named after a snake like V.I.P.E.R. (Vacuous. Insipid. Pussified. Erratic. Retards).
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The story would have been better served to find the love story first, and expand-out to the greater tale. Padme and Anakin seemed forced, and there was nothing openly shown to be a threat to their romance, causing that forced attitude? Yes, we heard of would-be Jedi disapproval...but there was nothing shown to us, demonstratively, that would serve to fuel the urgency, passion, and desperate nature of their romance? It was Romeo and Juliet, without the outside threat to push the lovers into more, and more, desperate action with concern to their relationship, save for the last prequel film--that being the threat of Padme's impending death? The films would have played stronger if another threat had been presented as an interdiction to Padme and Anakin's love in the first two prequel films, however...so much of that opportunity was lost in the cause of trying to develop the relationship, thanks to Anakin being portrayed as a child in Phantom Menace--they could do little to advance it, due to his youth.As far as the Clone Wars TV series, I haven't seen it, so I have no idea about the character development there, but again, when writing for women...with regard to the fantasy genre, the forbidden fruit theme, is a strong one, from hidden romance, to romance...with the bad boy...and when we met Anakin, he was a nice guy. Women want the bad boy, and they like to see themselves in the role of being in jeopardy, as that is a metaphor for their real lives, being placed at the mercy of men. Why the bad boy as a fantasy? Because he is the guy always pursuing the woman, asking for, and demanding sex. He is the temptation, the thing women dream about, someone who pushes them toward compromising themselves and prompting competition from the opposite sex, and members of the same sex. A nice guy doesn't do that, no...he asks for permission to romance a woman, he doesn't seduce, lie, cheat, or play love games, and isn't threatening--thus, he doesn't spark passions, or the desperation of would-be loss, as he is not the type to leave. He represents, what is acceptable. He is fruit, yes, but the fruit isn't as good, unless it is stolen...or corrupted, or ironically, even...bitter sweet. You'll note, Bella was always drawn to bad boys in Twilight: New Moon...whether it be Edward or Jacob, or anyone else, it didn't matter, she wanted a man that was a threat, even a biker, or a highschool chum, anyone to fuel conflict and raise the bar of her sexual passions to the next level? Same with Rose is Titanic, Angel and Buffy, Spike and Buffy, the Immortal and Buffy. A man's erection, is seen as being liberating, and yet, a weapon, as slavery, and yet, something that spawns self realization in a woman, that sexual awakening from girl to woman. It is that...which is the dance of romance that attracts a woman to a man. Anakin was played as being innocent in Padme's eyes, and for women who were asked to see the prequels, it played as being false, and without real sexual tension. Romeo is the bad boy to Juliet's good girl, and without that interplay to force her from childhood, into womanhood, you lose the interest of your female audience. The key ingredient is that there must be turmoil, and jeopardy in how male/female romance is shown...as the ebb and flow--the threat of loss of that love...that reminds both women and men...how much they love the other person in the relationship, or not, when things come to press.
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Dec 02, 2009 8:11:59 AM CST
So Media Messiah...You have chosen the dark side
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
You just made the list you Twilight-defendin piece of shit....and for people saying I'm too angry, go fuck yourselves. As far as I;m concerned your either Mormon nutjobs, Pedos' or sick ass old ladies who saved their Tom Jones panties for the next big thing. No self-respecting educated adult human, male or female would consider this shit worth a darn....
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This is not a bad idea. Many books could be turned into proper cinematic fare if they were split into 2-3 films. Lynch's Dune was poorly adapted, the miniseries had some good and bad points. Dune should take about 6-7 hours of screen time. Battlefield Earth is an incredible read and maybe the worst adaptation of a book I've ever seen. This book would take 10-12 hours of screen time. Now all of you think of your favorite books and think how long a proper film of it would/should be.
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...to see it. She'll love you for it!!!!
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Wow,Media Messiah just gave a very educated breakdown of female psyche when it comes to the role of survival of the species. And all you can do is call him names. Luckily my fiance saw part of the first one and had no more interest. She loves scary movies, especially Zombie and Vampire pics, and she hated Twilight. But if she had liked it and wanted to go see it, I would have gone to see it with her. That's what you do in a relationship, sometimes you put up with things you don't enjoy because you love the person you are with.
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came to me last night in a dream!.... John Waters must direct it... AS A ROCK-A-BILLY MUSICAL!!!
this will open the doors for that Robert Patterson guy to star as Robert Smith in the Cure biopic, 'Disentigration: The Story of The Cure' -
as are most movies of today. Every studio is chickenshit to work on something that isn't already a proven "hit" even if that means it's the biggest piece of shit ever conceived. Fuck hollywood and everyone in it. They're all shallow pieces of trash.
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And usually I don't like Devin, but I agree with him WHOLE-HEARTEDLY on this one. This shit just got real. And it needs to be rated R.
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Not all women like this crap. Taking a woman to see any Twilight movie will not automatically get you laid, and if you think it will, well, you'll be in for a surprise. Just because some WOMEN (there aren't too many Twihards who can legally drink) see this fad as their guilty pleasure, that does not mean every single woman on this planet is a moron. It doesn't mean that they do not ALSO enjoy good movies and books. It doesn't mean you won't find them at a game of AD&D, or with their eyeballs firmly planted in an issue of Transmetropolitan or Watchmen. So, please. Just stop with the woman-bashing.
Yes, Twilight sucks hard. Agreed. Do I understand why anyone likes it? No. The writing is terrible, the acting is ridiculous, the plot... well, you've read the synopsis. As has been pointed out, the main character is selfish, whiny, emo, and can't do a damned thing on her own. She is NOT a good role model for any young girl, not by any stretch of the imagination. But this ain't the Garden of Eden, and you ain't God. Don't blame 52% of the population because some of us are idiots. We didn't blame the entire male gender for Transformers 2 or any other awful action flick that has grossed so much money it's made you think about how picturesque that sidewalk would look rushing up to you at terminal velocity. -
What part of "No Fat Chicks" don't you understand?
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You are all dickheads. All of you.
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However, is what the fuck is this site doing posting story after story on this kiddy fiddling dreck? Anyone think Harry gives a shit any more?
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Once Script Girl arrived. Notice the decidedly LACK of any real news story the past few weeks. Its all contests and screenings and screening winners and yadda yadda yadda.
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Whoopee. My life is now complete.
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http://tinyurl.com/nu6ou5
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Dec 02, 2009 4:13:04 PM CST
"We didn't blame the entire male gender for Transformers 2"
by royston lodge
Why not? I would. It's our fault. Really. It is.
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why is edward considered a bad boy? i didnt feel any threat there, i thought jacob was more like that.
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You're right, actually. Edward, being a turn-of-the-century guy, is a lot more conventional and old-fashinoed and noble and honorable than Jacob, as the third book proves. Jacob doews some pretty shizzy things in the rest of the series, though his intentions and his actions aren't always 100 percent causing the results he wants.
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Women like mysterious loners. Edward only hung-out with his family, no one else got into their social circle. They are the cool Emo Goths, the distant types that are cooler than everybody in the room--but you'll note, as I said, when Edward was alone, he played the loner who couldn't be bothered with anyone else. It plays well on TV, in books, and in movies, the dark silent type, but in real life, no!!! See, in books or movies, etc., the loner is explained as being confused and troubled, but still, they, those loners, are ultimately shown to secretly be people with hearts of gold who must overcome their dangerous reputations--like James Dean in Rebel Without A Cause...or Dylan on the original 90210, the lead in The O.C., or even Angel on Buffy, perception is everything. We are told that Edward is a blood sucker who is reformed, but at any time he could snap and kill a human. This is metaphor for him being a guy who sleeps around...someone who is seamy and vulgar, someone whom has changed, because there is a kinder, deeper person at his core. Bella is the girl who wishes to fix him...and make him better, as women often attempt to do in real life with bad boys. They seek-out bad boys who remind them of their absentee, or emotionally distant dads. Bella lived with her mom after her parents' divorce, so even though she has now moved to live with dad, she has daddy issues, and just like her dad did when he wasn't at home anymore after the divorce, Edward represents the guy who is always pulling away from her...and keeping Bella at a distance. He is that threat, the threat that he may leave. The threat that she can't change him. The threat that he may burn her emotionally and use her physically before he goes, and even the threat of the loss of innocence for Bella...via sexual seduction as well as exposure to STDs...if vampirism can be seen as an STD or sexual craving, post first sexual encounter? He represents the wrong guy, or perhaps the right guy in disguise, but how can Bella be sure? For teenage girls, that is the bad boy, and in Bella's case, the boy who might get away...because he is emotionally and physically unavailable, well that is bad enough, the mystery that he is, is the threat that she feels. Will he date rape her? Will he abuse her, or cheat on her? Is it all a lie, their sexual tension and would-be love, or or is it real? Will Bella be compromised by this man...not just a boy, not an older man--remember this is a May/December relationship (he is 150 years or so, her senior), he is the metaphor for a grown man seducing a teen girl via statutory rape. This is the deeper metaphor behind Twilight. It is a psychological study of young women on the verge of sexual awakening and their fears of the unknown as presented by teenage boys and older men...the latter who offer a bite of the ultimate forbidden fruit. That makes him the bad boy!!! -
You should've heard the howling from people when I said that if this movie had been made years ago it would've been James Dean or even Marlon Brando in the lead.
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Dec 02, 2009 11:59:28 PM CST
Amended--HarryLove: “He is A Bad Boy By Way Of Being A Loner”
by media messiah
Women like mysterious loners, at least in story. Edward only hung-out with his family--no one else got into their social circle. They are the cool Emo-Goths, the distant types that are cooler than everybody in the room--but you'll note, as I said, when Edward was alone, he played the loner who couldn't be bothered with anyone else--and his silence scared Bella--his obvious inner pain, his apparent loneliness, and his strange locked and then broken stares. That is the loner. It plays well on TV, in books, and in movies, the dark silent type(s), but in real life, no!!! See, in books or movies, etc., the loner is explained as being confused and troubled, but still, they--those loners, are ultimately shown to secretly be people with hearts of gold who must overcome their dangerous reputations--like James Dean in Rebel Without A Cause...or Dylan on the original 90210, or the lead in The O.C., or even Angel on Buffy, perception is everything.
We are told that Edward is a blood sucker who is reformed, but at any time he could snap and kill a human. This is metaphor for him being a guy who sleeps around...someone who is seamy and vulgar, someone whom has changed, because there is a kinder, deeper person at his core, but is he tempted to go back to his darker side? The answer is yes--whether thanks to hormones, and a need to sew his oats, or maybe he is a sex addict--no matter, the impulse is there to give in to his compulsive urges? Bella is the girl who wishes to fix him...and make him better, as women often attempt to do in real life with bad boys. They seek-out bad boys who remind them of their absentee, or emotionally distant dads. Bella lived with her mom after her parents' divorce, so even though she has now moved to live with dad, she has daddy issues, and just like her dad did when he wasn't at home anymore after the divorce, Edward represents the guy who is always pulling away from her...and keeping Bella at a distance. He is that active threat--the threat that he may leave. The threat that she can't change him. The threat that he may burn her emotionally and use her physically before he goes, and even the threat of the loss of innocence for Bella...via sexual seduction, as well as exposure to STDs...if vampirism can be seen as an STD or sexual craving, post first sexual encounter? He represents the wrong guy, or perhaps the right guy in disguise, but how can Bella be sure of which? She must drop her guard and take the risk of trusting him, or run away. It is a bit Catch 22, and a bit suicidal...love wise, and body wise, because she must risk all that she is, and risk being crushed by a predator, in order to find true love, if that is who he really is, that being the latter, rather than the fore? For teenage girls, that is the bad boy for you, and in Bella's case, the boy who might get away...because he is emotionally and physically unavailable, well that is bad enough, the mystery that he is, is the threat that she feels. Will he date rape her? Will he abuse her, or cheat on her? Is it all a lie, their sexual tension and would-be love, or is it real? Will Bella be compromised by this boy...who is not just a boy, no, he is an older man. Remember this is a May/December relationship (he is 150 years or so, either way, her senior), he is the metaphor for a grown man seducing a teen girl via statutory rape. This is the deeper metaphor behind Twilight. It is a psychological study of young women on the verge of sexual awakening and their fears of the unknown as presented by teenage boys and older men...the latter who offer a bite of the ultimate forbidden fruit. That makes him the bad boy!!! -
I'm never going to say a bad thing about AVATAR ever again. Even if I don't like it when I review it, I'm just going to say "Not for me" and explain why. I hope other people can be respectful and not say bad stuff about TWILIGHT here. Deal?
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Thanks for the compliment! Those giving you a bad time are absent of analytical, artistic, and thoughtful minds. True intellectuals are visionaries--while others, pseudo intellectuals, are just mimics and parrots--not leaders within discussions, as they can't innovate, or recognize innovation.I still love the movie..."I Was A Teenage Werewolf". Michael Landon played the lead, as, ironically, you said it...a James Dean and Marlon Brando type? The character had that kind of angst, and that is what made me love that movie. When it comes to Buffy: The Vampire Slayer, Angel and Spike play that role, of the angst ridden men, and Edward, in respect to Twilight, is the silent threat...the simmering and building danger, full of menacing angst. For women, sex plays better when there is a slow build to it, rather than a Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am sex encounter. Women like the slow build to sex, via seduction. That is whom Edward is, that slow build to danger, that is the analogy. The growing sexual tension is their foreplay.
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Dec 03, 2009 12:26:08 AM CST
Exactly, and there's also the element of disgust ...
by thusspakespymunk
... as seen in the first meeting when Bella mistakes his desire to devour her for revulsion, and he sort of even says as much in the book that he's repulsed because his desire to eat her is so strong.
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He is repulsed because he wishes to eat her, a metaphor on two levels, literally and figuratively, in a one, violent controlling manner, and two...in a sexual manner. He knows that his lust is countered by his love for her, and that is what holds him back, that is what repulses him, because she has control over him, the would-be controller--and that is a revelation to him. His love is stronger, than his lust, but not by much...as both feelings are all consuming--and that is his personal battle--his war, to save her from himself. If he doesn't, then she becomes like him, a whore. He loves her for her innocence...not the prospect of deflowering that innocence.
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Because Edward is a guy of the early 1900s, a turn-of-the-century man, he's not used to woman having so much power over him - even with all his history. He gets angry with her whenever her power is exerted passively - because it's dangerous to HIM in the same way his power is dangerous to her. So it does cut both ways, and it's fascinating to me.
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...is proven out by Edward specifically asking Bella to marry him before he will sire her, and make her a vampire. He is essentially saying, "I wish to marry you before taking your virginity." In that way, she won't be the whore, but rather, he makes her the proverbial honest woman. Marriage establishes a spiritual bond under God, another irony, and so, her honor would be preserved and not soiled. About your last point, I never thought about his age in regard to him being the ultimate metaphor for misogyny...and how its wielder could be threatened by a female who's mere existence, thanks to his love for her (a surprise to even him), serves to rebuff his long held world view, but, yes, you are correct. She represents change, and he fears that change, because for the first time in his life, he is at the mercy of a woman who is his equal, if not, his master.
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but complicated, i wish there was a subtext caption at the bottom of the screen while the movie was playing.
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is breaking dawn really batshit crazy, whats going on with that one?
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...and even during the film, something that most movies don't manage to do, as there is no real subtext with the majority of films--however, New Moon has great subtext. Most films are dumb and simple, but I saw all sorts of hidden psychological themes in New Moon. The marriage detail fits in with the author's Mormon beliefs: No sex until marriage. I use to have a lot of Mormon friends. The Elders (who visited my Mom for Bible study) always told me that they and their girlfriends couldn't wait to get married after they returned from their missions...so that they could have sex. It was rather sweet hearing that, in a romantic way. I don't know anything about the author of Twilight other than the fact that she is a Mormon, young, and a house Mom...but where as I once thought that Twilight was a rip-off of Buffy, I am starting to believe that although, Buffy inspired it somewhat, as far as the basic archetype of its characters and the revamp of its genre, I think the real truth is that this story is a cloaked construct of the author's own real personal experiences in the real world. Her experiences with meeting a special bad boy...and the temptation to give in to sex before marriage, etc. Yes, this is about her, at least, in my mind. It is just a guess, but it plays almost like a person's real diary or journal, in the more quiet, human, and emotional moments. You can tell that she cares about the characters that populate the story and how they evolve...as if writing vaguely about real people whom she knows? Often times when I write, I hide my experiences or wants in the different themes and story arcs that I create--that way, no one who reads it can ever say it is about me. That gives me privacy. Now, if you write something like that, your personal information, in a journal or diary, and someone reads it, they know everything about you...and you have no room to deny it--any of it; all your hurts, joys, and what not are exposed. As for Twilight, I suspect its author created Bella as her alter ego.
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Write an outline of all the main points in the story and post it here, and I will give you my honest view on it. I am very good with pattern recognition...and thus, it is easy for me to see certain story points, even those that are veiled by the writer.
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just the synopsis up top. sorry
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... is really insane, yeah. Basically, Bella gives birth to a baby that nearly kills her by breaking her spine because it's a supernatural superbaby. Edward has to give Bella a c-section with his vampire-venom teeth. The baby ages at hyperspeed. Jacob imprints on the baby (he doesn't want to screw the baby as many people here say - he imprints on the baby, IE a genetic/instinctive link that means he 'pair bonds' with the baby instantly). The baby grows up to 17 and she and Jacob will be a couple because she pair bonds to him, too, albiet in a different way (vampirically the way Edward was suddenly linked with Bella). The Volturi think that Bella is an Immortal Child - a little kid bitten to become a vampire - and want her dead since people turned at childhood are generally totally nuts and evil and destructive and conspicuous. Witnesses come to Forks to declare that the kid's not a vampire, including another half mortal half vampire - who explains that such beings do exist and that they pose no threat to vampires. Satisfied, the Volturi leave and Bella and Edward and Jacob and Nessie (her baby's name is Renesme - a mix of Rene her real mom's name and Esme her Cullun mom's name) live happily ever after, except that Nessie and Jacob will have mortal lives and Bella and Edward aer immrtal. Jacob has formed a new pack which he leads with Seth Clearwater as his 2nd, as hinted in ECLIPSE.
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The baby ends the fued. It is like some spiritual Christ child. The bonding between Jacob and her, has to happen, like a Princess from one nation, being betrothed to a King of another. This part of the story, I have to say, seems to be taken from Buffy? The sister, Dawn, created from her blood as the Key--the savior. Essentially, Buffy has birth her own twin in a way...although Dawn, so far, has no powers as a slayer, her promise is to save the world--which Buffy later fulfills in place of her by dying. Bella, it would appear, has birthed her own twin, in a manner of speaking. Bella is splitting herself in two so she can love, and fulfill, both men in her life-- that would be Edward and Jacob...and thus, the peace is kept between the vampires and the werewolves.As for the Volturi, I believe that they are symbolism for the leadership of the Mormon Church, representing judgement. BTW, there are Indians all over Utah--the main base of the Church...so I think the book's author is alluding to their interactions with the Church and it members...through her characterizations and subject matter like the all important truce, albeit the story does not take place in Utah, it is still symbolism for it, or at least, the social dynamic. But I digress, back to Edward, Bella, and Jacob. I think in the real world sense, if you strip away the vampires, the werewolves, and the Christ child, the symbolism of Bella splitting herself in two...is actually metaphor for a woman sometimes needing to be two different women all in one...in order to be satisfied in life. In other words, she is serving two masters. Edward, the bad boy...can give her hot sex, and the resulting tensions and passion, but he will always be a creature of habit, a cheat. Jacob, however, is the nice guy, the one who only gets furious because he knows he is good for Bella, and she knows it too, but her passions are with Edward, therefore, Jacob becomes the man who Bella is having an affair with, either physically, or emotionally--but mostly the latter. He gives her what Edward can't, stability, and emotional re-assurance. He is true and loyal, and she can trust him. Edward can't give her those things though he wishes to, but his true nature won't allow it--he is a whore, and always will be.As far as the Bella being bitten as a child...part of the story arc goes? It suggests early sexual activity--maybe alluding to her being sexually interfered with by an adult as a child, metaphorically, if deduced to real world matters? Children who have been molested often grow-up to be destructive to themselves, or others, and that is the symbolism here. This part of the arc hints at the Church (The Volturi) spurning such a child when they, the child acts on those learned sexual impulses. Again, one who would act out sexually and draw notice, that is parallel to the fear of vampires community's ruling council. Remember, like the Church, or any church, the Volturi, are very secretive, and can be hypocritical. "Do as I say, not as I do". Let me focus now, specifically on Bella...and this imprinting business. I find it interesting that the term "Imprinting" is used in this book series, as that is the same term psychiatrists use to describe children who have been molested? At age 6, or slightly before, a child begins to imprint mentally and socially...based upon their experience in their environment-- meaning, they become socially influenced for life by events surrounding them, or that happen to them directly, or impact them, indirectly. The imprinting determines, largely, who they are going to grow-up to be...morally, and ethically. If a child is molested at, or before, age 6, they imprint on that experience...and that molestor. It is sort of like when teens willingly lose their virginity, they can't stop the impulse of wanting sex--well, neither can a young child who has been molested; the reason why they act-out sexually, in post. Someone like that, would imprint on the bad boy. However, those who have been molested can also...and often, have split personalities, that of post moletation, and the other of pre-molestation. Hence, the girl that Bella was before, the pre-personality, would imprint on someone like Jacob, the good guy, and the post molestation Bella personality, as I said before, would imprint on the bad boy, who Edward represents. The reason that--to be happy, at least for Bella, she must have both men in her life, as they serve to provide different emotional, and physical, needs for her. She needs Edward for decadent sex and the twisted emotional drama that comes with it--but Jacob is the one to cuddle with, the one that will be there for her...to tell her that she is lovely when she is old, and mean it. He will give her a boring mortal life, yes...but Edward offers her something supernatural in terms of an alternative lifestyle...sexually speaking, and that is her immortally, and his. This book series appears to be moving, more, and more, toward a Freudian dynamic. By Bella having both men in her life, that ends the fued between her two selves. She can satisfy both masters. It's the Madonna/Whore complex. She can be the Madonna/Whore without falling victim of the guilt implied against her...by either herself, the men in her life, or the Church, by Bella having found the way, her way, to live-out, and answer her needs, both sexually and emotionally--in a discreet manner.
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When you read it, you'll see ALL that dynamic play out.
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I am very good with dream interpretation and figuring hidden meanings of stories and plots out because I love writing so much, and having dyslexia, strange as it is, helps me to solve puzzles where others may not even notice they exist. I was curious to see, if you and Harry Love might actually come to the same understanding that I did about the story of Breaking Dawn...based upon the book outline that you posted. I am glad to see that I was right, and we came to the same conclusion about the hidden subtext at work here!Stephen King was wrong about the author of Twilight when he said that she is not a very good writer. This women is revealing herself to be an old soul who is brilliantly prolific...and a damn good writer, if not great!!! This isn't just a series of books, in a veiled way, again...if we strip away the vamps, werewolves, psychic powers, the action, and all the fantasy elements, at its heart, the story, is her personal diary.
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