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THE HOBBIT (Slightly) Delayed!!!
Beaks here...
The wait for Peter Jackson's return to Middle Earth just got longer. By a full three months!!!
In a move that could affect casting choices (doubtful) and proposed release dates (probable), Peter Jackson has announced that production on his two-part adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's THE HOBBIT could be pushed to the middle of summer 2010. This is evidently due to a delay in the completion of the screenplay for the second installment, which Jackson is currently banging out with Fran Walsh, Phillipa Boyens and Guillermo del Toro.
Does this mean THE HOBBIT PART 1 will miss its tentatively-scheduled December 2011 release date? Possibly. What it most assuredly means is that del Toro won't be free of his Tolkien obligations as soon as we thought, so if you're holding out for, say, AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS... keep on holdin' out.
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nooo
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This is horrible news. I don't know if I can go on.
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Okay, I'll give someone else a chance.
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Sure it'll be delayed as these things always are.
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We'll still get the damn films
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No interest. I just want Del Toro freed up to do his own stuff, which will be a trebillion times more brillianter than The Hobbit. I mean, I guess The Hobbit could be alright but I honestly thought the book was a load of cock.
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He rests one side of the body while punching Destro with the other.
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Could be doing so much other stuff. Won't even get credit if it does well - he's driving another man's car.
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A V A T A R.Dec 17th.
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Dec 01, 2009 12:41:37 AM CST
Hopefully HBO get Game of Thrones into high gear.
by stereotypical evil archer
Ha ha I made driving analogy.
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Dec 01, 2009 12:44:54 AM CST
It will delay it a whole year, they won't summer event it.
by stereotypical evil archer
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because their only money-maker is delayed. (well, this and Bond, but the next one of those aint coming soon either)
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you need to make sure we get the best Hobbit movies possible. I want At The Mountains of Madness ASAP, but obviously won't get it til this is done. I am patient, and want these all to kick major ass, so I am happy to wait it out....
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Hellboy and Blade 2 and Mimic cannot compare to Devil's Backbone, Kronos, Pan's Laberinth. His vision is going to be incumbered also because the aesthetic has to blend seemlessly with that of Jackson's Lord Of TheRings trilogy. Imagine if MGM had given him this budget not to make Te Hobbit, but to create something completely original, HOW AMAZING WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN!! Del Toro's imagination not limited by budget contraints or having to tell somebody elses story?
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I won't deny Del Toro's greatness when it comes to his own works, but he is working with some talented people and source material. I have faith that his vision mixed with Jackson's and crew will be good enough to satisfy us.
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He's made great movies, but THE HOBBIT is a chance to be part of something really huge, and totally compatable with his aesthetic. He's still a relatively young dude, plenty of films left in him, so if he walks from a dream project like this, I reckon he'll regret it for the rest of his career.
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Hellboy is one of the shittiest fucking movies I've ever watched.
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PJ: "So then Bilbo closes the door after the meeting with Gandalf and.." Del Toro: "and a giant crab like creature bursts through the window and lands on his face!"
Phillipa and Fran roll their eyes.
PJ: "um... yah, well no, no we really can't do that, its the Shire, you know. So lets keep going."
Fran: "ok, ok, so Bilbo is making a hot cup of tea"DELTORO (interrupting):"And then a nameless lovecraftian monster bursts through the sink, and on the end of its mouth are its eyes!!" -
Ones that aren't wenches or middle earth hussies...?
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Lockebrokenleg, here's the complete season 6 spoilerguide/shooting schedule, up to date, for EVERYTHING that is known and has been shot. Go through the list, and find me the day/episode when Maggie Grace shot, and what the scene looked like. Then come back here and post it, and I'll give you a million dollars. Go ahead. I'll wait. No response from you = fail
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I think Guillermo Del Toro is kinda overrated. He massacred Hellboy. Took that shit right out of Mignola's hands and had them drinking beer and crooning Barry Manilow. The fuck. The Hellboys have great MOMENTS, but they can be really painful at times too.
Guillermo Del Toro is mad corny sometimes, is all. Great visual guy, definitely, he IS an artist. But some of his ideas aggravate me.
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If you go to the Dark UFO Lost site and type in Maggie Grace, you'll find that she was in Hawaii for shooting. I have no idea what episode it was, obviously, but there are reports she was there. I know she and Boone are back for Season 6. Boone shot several scenes for the opening episodes.
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"The Life and Times of Lockesbrokenleg", the documentary. Sadly, it only won accolades when it was pulled from theaters, after the opening night. The accolades were cheers from the audience who hated the fuck out of it. "Total misery. Nothing but depressive complaining, dourness, negativity. I would shoot myself in the nuts if I have his life" one moviegoer was quoted as saying.
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Is that The Hobbit is only one book, a short one at that, that they've said previously would only comprise the first film. At least that's what I last remember hearing. So hopefully what this means is that they're still pouring over the endless possibilities for stories involving characters already used and not yet seen in a way to better tie the first two films into the trilogy. That's what I hope it means anyway, with run-on sentences and everything. No offense to Guillermo, because I've dug what I've seen of his films thus far. But it's not like he's really a household name yet. Working on a film this huge, especially if it's successful (and we know it will be) could make it much easier for him to do whatever he wants for years to come.
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Um, dude, why the hate? Did I piss all over your favorite movie? Fuck, you make me suck!
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...front and center with his opening troll grenade.
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The post you're vaguely remembering, and massively misquoting was a blurb about how Maggie Grace was FLYING to Hawaii, and how she commented "It would be cool to be back on LOST". And yet.. nothing has ever been filmed, and she's done a movie since she said that quote. She was never on set on LOST, ever in that timeframe. And you can't prove me wrong. The fact that you're not even trying shows what you really know to be true. They've only shot 9 episodes, so use my link I gave you and find the episode she's in, and what was shot. Stop fucking dinking around. I don't know whats more disturbing and pathetic, that you trust your memory THAT much, or that it really, really is so wrong?
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I'll be honest and admit I didn't dig the first one THAT much, but the 2nd one kicked my ass, was fun, was scary, had some GREAT action, the Troll market kicked fucking ass, the angel of death, all of it. It was fantastic. Lockesbrokenpenis, if you haven't seen it, you should. And uh... re: Del Toro.. have you never seen Pan's Labyrinth, or Devil's Backbone? Or BladeII?
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Does anyone really know what's happening in these episodes? Not really. They're just going by filming reports sent in. I know that a lot of the cast is returning. I bet we'll see Shannon in Season 6. How can you prove she WAS on the set? You weren't there.
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Ian Somerhalder has shot his scenes, sans Grace. He hasn't been in any scenes shot with Maggie Grace, period. The latest news update, as far as spoilersblog or EW or E:Online is that Maggie Grace is the sole holdout from the former losties to come back. She's been unavailable due to shooting 3 movies back to back, regardless if she was in Hawaii, or not. As of today, she has not said yes, or been in any scenes, period. And now I'm tired of talking about this. If she comes back, that would be great, but she hasn't yet. And... to throw you a bone (like the sticking out of your shin) IF, IF they shot any scenes with her, no one knows about it, anywhere. Period. There is no news that she's back on LOST.
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...I don't want to. It's weird. I liked the first one after seeing it accidentally. And then I actually tried not to like the second one, but I'll be damned if I didn't fail. They aren't perfect, but if you accept them as big budget pulpy monster films they're actually quite good. And Pearlman is about as close as any actor will ever get to BEING a comic book character brought to screen.
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All I can say is go to Dark UFO, and look it up. They have MAJOR spoilers that EW has never commented on. They even have episode titles all the way through half the season. Just go look it up. I found it in two seconds.
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Dude says stupid shit just to get all y'alls panties in a bunch and you let it work every time. It's actually kind of entertaining. Plus, unlike a lot of talkback trolls, he does actually have something to say... part of the time, anyway. lol
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This sites always been like that. If you hate stuff like Kevin Smith you get branded a troll just for having an opinion. Me, I don't care. I know what I like.
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The X-Files Syndrome. So who fucking cares, anyway? And I am a HUGE fan of the show, so I'm not hating. It's just going to be impossible to tie everything up (they're said they aren't even trying to do so) and make everybody happy with the conclusions that they do provide. I've already resigned myself to this fact in hopes that I can get some enjoyment out of watching them try. Best possible ending would be a damn seventh season. lol
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The link I gave you as for DarkUFO's site, you stupid waste of shit. It is the COMPLETE episode guide for EVERY SINGLE DAY OF SHOOTING since they all came back from their nice summer vacation, up through episode 9, which is shooting this week. Is your fucking mouse not working? Click on my damn link. Go through the episodes. Show me in ANY of the 9 episode guide's where the name "maggie grace" appears. I'll give you a million dollars.
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You DO push buttons and say random contradictory shit sometimes. But I've been here for pretty much the entire life of this site and you don't come close to being a REAL troll. And like I said, it's funny to watch people get all bunched n' shit.
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Click it:
http://tinyurl.com/mur3bn
Its DarkUFO's site. We both can't be quoting the same exact site, and both be right. One of us is wrong. Hint: its you. -
Because its like hearing that new song on the radio for the 11th time that day, or even the next@!
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Dude, chill out jeez. Why do you have a hard on for Maggie Grace anyway? She was awful.
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I win!!! I am so-smart! I am so-smart! ~Bilbo's the champion, my friennnnds, and he'll keep on fighting, till the enddddd. He is the champion, HEEEE is the champion. No time for lockesbrokenleg, because Bilbo's the champion....
OF THE WORLD!!!~ -
..genius.
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I am sure Maggie Grace will be seen in Season 6. It's very well known we will see a lot of people returning. Hell, Rebecca Mader is back and her character died.
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and I mean everyone! other than Maggie had agreed to return for season 6. But it's Lost, so that doesn't mean shit. I fully expect her to be back - even if it's just in a flashback to something we've already seen.
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in Locke's vision. So anything is possible.
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as in Homer saying that line. Dumbass.
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but hell, even Charlie was back in season 5 and he died.
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Neither has Eko. And Mira Furlan, aka older Russeau, will not be coming back. They asked her, she said no. She's tired of sitting around in Hawaii, waiting to be used. She's staying in Yugoslavia, or wherever she's from, and working on a movie.
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She probably told them to go fuck themselves.
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You mean from that site, right? That they haven't been back this year? That's interesting, because I was sure I read that Eko (the guy who plays him) would be back. Also interesting that Older Russeau (we'll go with that name) won't be back because I thought callousness of the way she died was pretty messed up. I'd like a tie-up to that story thread. But like I said, it's just going to be impossible for them to answer question they've created.
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Faraday, Mr. Friendly, Mikhal, Ana Lucia, etc. I hope to heaven they all do, but there's no news of any of it yet. Its very possible these actors were included in some indoor shots where no sneaks could get a peek. Very possible.
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She comes back for "Here are some blankets" and "Don't do it, Michael!" back in Season 4 for an amount of 15 seconds of screentime, now they want to do some considerable closure AND the bails? Lindeolf said as much that the actress didn't wanna come back. Did Desmond harass her on set? (Lemmie see those suggah tits, brotha!)
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For great justice. 3 month delay, who gives a fuck about that shit, why even post it? Lost talkback now! So sayth the people!
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Dec 01, 2009 2:09:24 AM CST
I heard the producers tried to get Libby for Season 5
by lockesbrokenleg
but she said no, so her role probably went to Mader. Also, Eko might be back, because he said he wanted to come back, but that douche left the show. Michael and Walt probably won't be back. They're done.
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He was hinting he may go back, (or maybe he was saying he'd like to go back) but no news has happened since. His "hint" can be found in the rumors section of that site. Click on "news" and scroll down to "rumors"
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I'll be pissed if there is no further story for that character. Pissed I say! lol
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So I'm going to fall back on what I've read from the producers saying something like 'every major character makes an appearance or re-appearance in season six' meaning flashbacks to material they've already filmed.
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settled the lawsuit, and is reported to be in the first 3 of 6 episodes of s6, so far. This part worries me a little: in the official ABC press-junket release promoting s6 of LOST, Henry Ian Cusick isn't mentioned as starring, so he's no longer considered a "regular". Whereas Nestor Carbonell, who plays Richard Alpert, will be in all but 2 eps of s6, and has moved his family to Hawaii. Illana and Lapidus are now regular castmembers as well. But not Desmond :(
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...I spelled hyphenate wrong anyway. So fuck it! lol
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in the s6 finale. As taller ghost Walt, or something.
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We appear to have already succeeded in that endeavor.
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Join the AICN chatroom, and lets talk some LOST right now.
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Dec 01, 2009 2:17:41 AM CST
Eagerly awaiting DT's mediocre Mountains of Madness...
by darth_inedible
No please I love the guy but MoM will be a typical overdesigned Del Toro mess. For Lovecraft's sake at least give us a director whose first language is English.
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The flame wars will be delayed. To bad that was some entertaining reading.Echoing up from the basement is a loud NOOOooooooo from Ringwearer9. That whackadoo's whole life is wrapped up in furry footed midgets and the odd hate for CGI flames. Ringwear9 makes Lockes seem like a rational functional human being.
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...maybe tomorrow. I'm already leaving entire words out my sentences. It's time for me to crash. But you definitely go me excited for Lost again. I just don't see how it can end this season in the number of eps they've announced.... I think they're lying. lol
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In fact, I (and others) may have figured out the entire show, or a good 70-80% of it. Let me know.
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Holy Hell I can't wait to get it next week, mmm baby!
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posts? "show us your tits!"
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Groundhog Day. Coincidence?
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Dec 01, 2009 2:29:03 AM CST
wheres all the Tolkeinites freaking out about the hijack?
by billboefett
They must go to bed early.
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We see Jack, Kate, etc, all of them wake up and are all in a giant. They all get out of the room, and find themselves in a world that's been destroyed. The island was the center of the world, and because they destroyed that, the world was also destroyed. They're the only ones left. The end. I know, it's silly.
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Since The Hobbit is NOT a two film worthy book, I think them spending as much time as possible on the script is a good thing. I'm a hugest of the huge Tolkienite. I have every book he ever published and all of Christopher's on the shelf behind me. And I mean all of them! I have the Tolkien Song Book (with actual charts) and The Father Christmas Letters. The simple fact of the matter is that The Hobbit is ONE FILM! However, there is an abundance of cool stories in the appendices, The Silmarillion and Book of Lost Tales that could be used to make a cool movie bridging the gap between the time of The Hobbit and the moment when Gandy comes knockin' on Bilbo's door in The Fellowship. They could also just tell back stories. But whatever they do it's going to be something made-up, but hopefully made-up of from the actual source material. I know that Peter, Fran and Philipa have great respect for the books, including all the endless parts and pieces that Tolkien never got into the main stories. They used parts of the appendices in the trilogy and mention the fact that they read them many times. I know many "fans" who would honestly tell you they've never done that. So, yeah, babble babble. But I actually think spending more time on the script is a good thing.
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unfilmable I say!
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And if you have the songbook, you must know of the song that Bilbo sang about the DUMBLEDORES in the Shire, which are a kind of firefly. Right?
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Dec 01, 2009 2:49:38 AM CST
I saw Viggo 'no blood for oil' Mortensen on Tavis Smiley tonight
by billboefett
and he was growing his hair very long.. also, I don't like Tavis very much. Seems like he's a closet racist, but only lets it seethe out when the cameras aren't rolling. Watch his reactions and tone with black guests, and then watch his demeanor with anyone else. Seems totally different to me. But then, I only see things in B&W because I was born with 2 butts. I mean eyes--wait. Eh, like a dog, I'm colorblind? Nevermind.
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First, going to bed failed - but chat would make it even more unlikely. Second, nearly all of Tolkien's songs are terrible, as is most of his poetry. Lastly, the songbook is actually charts. But I could probably find the song, or figure out which one you're talking about, with a little more description. Friendly Dumbledores isn't doing it for me.
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Dumbledores... fireflies... gotcha. lol
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etc. Instead of Aragorn, its a giant spider named Aragog. You get my point.
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I gather you're comparing Harry Potter and Tolkien. Which is good, because I was considering actually trying to find a song that mentioned Dumbledores and/or fireflies. Anyway, the book is called The Road Goes Ever On - A Song Cycle. And if there is a question that the online Encyclopedia of Arda can't answer for you, then your question is probably wrong. Now I'm going to try and stop being so literal.... which is difficult some times.
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he is going to fuck yet again one more book from Tolkien,so there is no rush to see the movie.
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The whole point was that he hadn't aged a day with the ring, so he looked the same during the Hobbit
But it's been 10 years now, and poor old Ian probably hasn't got it in him any more. -
There is a song or poem by Bilbo about the Dumbledores in the Shire, no joke. And yes, this was written before any Potter book was ever conceived.
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*ENDING OF LOST SPOILER*
The island survivors change the past so the plane doesn't crash. The flight lands safely in the US and the entire cast reunites in a montage set to music that sees them disembarking and going their seperate ways. Jack, Kate and Sawyer exchange looks as if some deja vu exists... -
as I'm bored with staring at Kate. I'd like Michelle Rodriguez back too, but that's probably too much to ask. What was this talkback for again?
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Wouldn't you just love to see a flame war between Ringy and AssLives? Their endless reams of horseshit would level mountains and boil seas into steaming canyons before it was all over. Let us pray to almighty Jabootu that they find themselves on opposing sides regarding The Hobbit.
Ah, who am I kidding? All great villains drop their differences and team up against a common foe, in this case rationality. -
Part of me seriously wishes that we could have those days back. When the first time you found out about a movie, was when you saw the trailer. Anyone over 30 probably knows that feeling - 'oh my GOD!!! the new James Bond film is coming out soon!!!!!'. Of course, this is an idiotic thought on my part because I am here in the land of movie buzz etc. But I think that Guillermo should have said 'no' to all these interviews about THE HOBBIT (unless they are a ploy to get the studio to commit). Like, dude, at least wait until you've finished FILMING the thing. A drip-feed of Hobbit stuff for the next two years will be unbearable. No film would be able to live up to it. Imagine if Spielberg had done tight security on Indy IV. Trailers featuring minimal footage. No-one giving away that Marion was back. No-one giving interviews where they say: 'I'm not allowed to tell you anything'.
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Part of me seriously wishes that we could have those days back. When the first time you found out about a movie, was when you saw the trailer. Anyone over 30 probably knows that feeling - 'oh my GOD!!! the new James Bond film is coming out soon!!!!!'. Of course, this is an idiotic thought on my part because I am here in the land of movie buzz etc. But I think that Guillermo should have said 'no' to all these interviews about THE HOBBIT (unless they are a ploy to get the studio to commit). Like, dude, at least wait until you've finished FILMING the thing. A drip-feed of Hobbit stuff for the next two years will be unbearable. No film would be able to live up to it. Imagine if Spielberg had done tight security on Indy IV. Trailers featuring minimal footage. No-one giving away that Marion was back. No-one giving interviews where they say: 'I'm not allowed to tell you anything'.
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Dec 01, 2009 4:35:02 AM CST
JACKSON SHOULD HAVE DONE THE HOBBIT INSTEAD OF KONG.......
by tehcreepythinman
Then it would have been out four years ago and we wouldn't have to hear about it endlessly. Jackson's a fucking knob for not doing it himself. Kong was fucking gash and The Lovely Bones is getting critically fistfucked.
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THE HOBBIT: FUCKING YOUR ANKLES IN 2011/12
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Just like everyone else I'm addicted to this shit, but part of me also longs for the heady, blue-balled days of only getting info once a month through Starlog and Fangoria or perhaps a trailer or two in the theater (no repeat viewings for nit-picking!).
I still remember being gobsmacked by one of the first articles in Starlog about Return Of The Jedi where they displayed a few full-color Ralph McQuarrie paintings. The anticipation was as sweet as it was unbearable.
But then I see all the porn online and think "Well, you gotta change with the times."
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Okay, I laughed.
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This is a GOOD sign. The delay is due to them working on the SCRIPT. Jackson is quoted as saying that the script for at least the last LOTR movie could have used a few more passes. They were planning monster designs for HALO before writing one word of script. District 9 had no script at all.
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... all that extra work on the script is to insert more and more jokes about Dwarves being short.
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I have not been around for a few weeks but did asshole life get banned again? Starlog and Fangoria that's a relic of better times. Those were good days, getting all jacked up on anticipating seeing a movie you knew almost nothing about.See just like that a PJ or furry footed midget mention and Ringwearer9 appears.
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Dec 01, 2009 5:45:04 AM CST
WONDERFUL, MORE SHORT-HAIRY-FAGGOTRY CUMING SOON....
by tehcreepythinman
Maybe we'll get the Hobbit's dancing naked around a water fountain while Gandalf is getting sucked off by Bilbo.
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and absolutely detest the style of his creature designer; I don't like him on this movie, but we'll see, I guess. I always thought The Hobbit was so much more engaging than LOTR. Hopefully Alan Lee and John Howe will be back on this one.
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in some triad poly relationship? Just curious.
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Can't be helped, I suppose. Look PJ, Fran and Phillippa...take as long as you need for the screenplay but let's NOT have thirteen farting Dwarves, thank you very much.
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Are you kidding? With the hit count spikes AssLives brings to this site? They're bending over backwards to find reasons to post Star Trek articles just so that AssLives, being the Pavlovian putz that he is, will show up and drive the post count through the roof.
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...Gimli peeking over the wall at Helm's Deep was hilarious.
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In the Lovely Bones press junket he mentioned how he's a little disappointed now that he didn't make the decision to direct. This could be a little hint that he will take the reins and that this delay is the reason why. We shall see... I really want del Toro to do it though. It will give it a different flavour to LOTR which is what's needed.
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if you live in Creepys area expect a shortage of tissues and lotion.
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Hahah. I think I just found a new back up name.
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Dec 01, 2009 7:08:16 AM CST
"free of his tolkien obligations?!" it's a PRIVILEGE
by astral_projector
AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS compared to THE HOBBIT...really, The H O B B I T!!!!
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Sir Ian McKellan ain't getting any younger. No Ian McKellan = no Hobbit films.
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...the movie's delayed three months. It happens.
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Dec 01, 2009 7:52:24 AM CST
...I re-watched LOTR recently and I don't think I will again...
by flickapoo
...at least not for a long, long time. The movies are an amazing achievement, and they got an impressive number of things right. The things that bugged me bug me even more over time though...young Master Wood's wandering accent, transexual Elves, Gimli comic relief, two many awkward photo-op moments...
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...without so many expectations. I just hope Del Toro goes more PAN and less HELLBOY.
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Dec 01, 2009 8:04:08 AM CST
Glad to here they're taking the time to get it right
by zombieheathledger
No need to rush. We've waited all these years, I'd rather they took the time to deliver the definitive HOBBIT.
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Lucas already ripped of LOTR with SW and WILLOW, so maybe he owes the series one back- namely his most beloved midget.
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Not a biggest fan of that trilogy of films, but i have a lot of faith in Del Torro's vision.
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LOTR was an amazing achievement, but the things the transexual elves and the Dwarven comic relief REALLY stick in the craw upon repeated viewings...oh and pretty much everything after the fall of Sauron. I still maintain the position that filming even 5 minutes worth of the Scouring of the Shire would have been better than the trainwreck ending we ended up with...
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I had the impression that a decision had been made not to have a "first film is the Hobbit, second film is a bridge" approach. I read in an interview about the probable switching point in the book between movies. Looking around for confirmation, I find this from an article on Nov 5th from theonering.net:
the writing team of Jackson, del Toro and long-time Jackson collaborators Phillipa Boyens and Fran Walsh all worked on a script for the better part of a year and split The Hobbit into two films with information about Gandalf’s “off stage” efforts and the greater concerns of Middle-earth peppered through the narrative. -
So how about a Cerebus movie? I could definitely see High Society and the Church and State books being turned into interesting movies. Not to mention Jaka's story.
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Will be, essentially, The Hobbit, with more Gandalf, more middle-earth, direct or indirect references to Saruman and Sauron, more of the backstory that leads to the War of the Ring. And, thusly, more cameos from familiar LOTR characters who don't actually appear in The Hobbit novel.
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100% incorrect.
The series does not end with the plane landing safely in LA. Lest you forget that would mean Kate is still in FBI custody, Charlie is still a heroin addict, Jack is a depressed alcoholic, Locke still can't walk, etc, etc. I repeat, this is NOT how the series will end.
HOWEVER, it IS how season 6 will begin.
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THROW US A FRICKIN' BONE HERE
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But dammit I wish the film-makers could be more restrained. I loved Shawn of the Dead, but nowadays I worry that Edgar Wright spend more time in front of a camera than behind it. All that hair and everything. That's not to blame him: he's doing what every director of popular films has to do these days. Maybe Kubrick was the last one. The last one who could keep a lid on things.
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Everything he does looks like it was shot on an expensive backlot set, even the outside stuff - and if he wants to match Jackson's films, he's got to open it all up.Tim Burton's got the same problem.
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slone13, LOST has often been structured with the classic 'circular' ark.
The classic symmetry of ending where it begins (which to bring this back on topic is why ROTK ends where it does).
I'd put money on LOST ending with the plane landing, or perhaps with the survivors failing to alter the timeline and thus the ending would be Jack on his back on the island - exactly where the first ep began. Thus creating one six season time loop. -
Dec 01, 2009 10:21:39 AM CST
finally, someone else recognizes the POWER of Warwick
by just pillow talk
Fill the screen up with Warwicks!
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Guillermo Navarro's been confirmed for The Hobbit.(Good news as far as I'm concerned)
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Sure, it may be a good project for Del Toro, as far as paving the way for future projects - but is anyone honestly anticipating this? Especially considering how much they are going to bloat what is a fun little adventure novel into an artificially EPIC EXPERIENCE. I loved the novel - it's a great story. When I first saw each LotR film, I was blown away by it. When I second saw them, I was less so, and now I couldn't care less if I ever see them again. For me, they don't hold up - once the initial shock of the spectacle wears off, its all kind of tired and boring. There is no creative or artistic necessity - there is no difference in greenlighting Hobbit than there is the next Transformers film. I don't think they're going to phone it in, and it will probably be a capable set of films that ape and echo LotR well. But we don't need more LotR. The twenty eight hours we have is sufficient.
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This seems to have happened after the studio read the first draft. Do we have any idea what the sticking point was? Story? Budget? Availability of people to play younger versions of their immortal selves?
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C'mon, The Bull, get crackin' on the flick that could be your masterpiece. Hobbits been done, yo. Let's get our Cthulu on.
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Hell yes I want Ian Holm back. And even if they need to "youngify" him with makeup and cgi, that can easily be accomplished these days. I agree about him not aging in the books, but he looks older in real life now. So they'd have to do something.DEFINITELY agree that Gandy must be McKellen. Well Billboe, you've stumped me - but I'll look for the song name if that's what you're asking.Only the comic relief Gimli and the leaving out of Tim Bombadil still gets on my nerves. I'm at peace with everything else. ... oh, and whoever thought Legolas should snowboard on a shield should be shot. But otherwise, cool. I don't have any problem with the elves look or "feel". It works for me.OK, so while I think stretching The Hobbit part of the story over two movies is unnecessary as it could easily be told in one 90 minute film. I still think, and it seems others agree, that it's a good thing the delay is relating to the script. The thing fans of the books will be most pissed off about is how much of the story is literally made up. There is really no need for any large portions of it to be done that way. I'm pretty sure the only reason The Hobbit didn't happen faster, and maybe part of why King Kong was so uneven, is because PJ and camp were pissed off about the money they were owed on the trilogy. It did end up as a lawsuit, after all.While it really sounds plausible, I'd still be pissed off if Lost ends in giant time loop. That would be the easiest way for them to just disregard all the interesting questions they created along the way.I would LOOOOVE a Cerebus movie, obviously. :) I think there's actually more of a chance now than there has been in quite a few years, believe it or not. In fact, somebody is making a low budget cgi movie all on their own. But Dave seemingly becoming at peace with both his and Cerebus' legacies (which is to say, brilliance gone wrong to the point that it pissed people off) and poking his head out into the world again is a big help. Have you checked out www.cerebustv.com Hearing Dave speak like, and like a normal human being, always trips me out.
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Yes, would love to see one. There would, admittedly, need to be a ton of editing and restructuring. BUt I would love to see one or three of them eventually get done.
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I thought me, Mostholy and Fred were the only ones on here who love the Earth Pig Born!
Nice handle there Jaka. Has anyone killed a yak for you yet? have you seen anyone wearing a tall pointy hat?
I am a very, very, very long time reader. I picked up my first issue back in 1980 and stuck around through the comic brilliance of the Moonroach issues to the sublime Prime Minister and Pope issues, to the drug and or alcohol induced garbage that also produced Sims' nervous breakdown and misogynistic turn, to the almost non-existent pencils (even with the help off the estimable Gerhard). To the slow crawl back to relevance and the slow descent into mediocrity with only an occasional flash of the genius that fueled the early to mid 80's efforts, to the last dying gasp. yes, I saw it all from the fans perspective. From Deni and her big glasses to 'who the hell is Gerhard?'
At it's best, Cerebus was the finest and most literate piece of genius fueled work ever produced in the comic book medium. At its' worst, it was a soul wrenching account of a man's descent into madness played out for all the readers (or the few of us as it were who stayed loyal)to see and cringe at. Yes, part of me would love to see the Earth Pig Born on the big screen, but I truly fear that it could never be accurately made. A talking sword wielding, vest wearing third person speaking Aardvark who becomes Pope and then throws babies off of balconies and tells the parents they should be grateful he did that because '...one less mouth to feed is one less mouth to feed' well that could be a hard sell. But part of me really wants to see that! -
Of course the sword could not talk. That would just be ridiculous!
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When are we gonna hear who they have cast as Bilbo FFS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...still a bunch of those thick phone book looking tomes in the attic I believe. They always looked potentially interesting but I was never sure where to start...
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It is side-splitting funny, as well as giving a real glimpse into what actually makes the earth pig born, tick.
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Dec 01, 2009 1:55:06 PM CST
Screw AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS, where's HELLBOY III?
by ronimus prime
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Dec 01, 2009 2:05:08 PM CST
...toadkiller, is that the first one? Is there a beginning...
by flickapoo
...and end? Well, a beginning anyway, your earlier post makes it sound as though it eventually trails off into gibbering madness......but of course all things do eventually...
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He was just bummed out that his father was dead. He didn't hit up the booze until after they brought him back from the island.
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In the promos. They can't show Jack talking in a close-up? Unless the fucker is wearing a fucking eyepatch and speaking with an Australian accent, I don't think it'll give much away.
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And seemingly we're slowly leaking out of the cracks that Dave forced us into over the years. I've heard much more Cerebus talk in the last 2-3 years than I did in the last ten years of the series run. And hey! 1980 was when I jumped on as well (same year I first read Elfquest and the magazine sized Conans as well). Other than a very few months where I missed an issue and didn't bother to pick it up after the fact I was a monthly IN STORE purchaser until the series ended. I openly, often to the point of annoyance, LOVE/D that book. Many of my friends actually call me Cerebus, STILL! But that name was taken when I joined AICN way back when, so I went with Jaka. Anyway...
Yes, High Society is the only place to start until Dave (and hopefully Ger) get around to redrawing the first 25 issues. If a movie was made that entire run could be done in a 3 minute intro piece because most of it doesn't relate to the rest of the story, which actually starts with High Society.
Call me a die-hard, or a loyalist, or just delusional - but I love the entire Cerebus run. All of it! And I prefer the actual monthly issues because of the Letters From the President, the actual Letters column and Dave's Tangents. There were entire YEARS where I actually enjoyed that part of the book more than the 20 monthly pages as I think it actually improved the overall reading experience. Some of that is lost in the phone books, which makes it more difficult for some people to tackle reading them. Now, the movie, I just don't think it could be a literal translation of the comic - and it probably shouldn't be. But there is definitely a movie in there. Three of four really. High Society and Church & State could definitely be made into one story. All of the material with Jaka - maybe including Rick's Story - would make a great movie for fans, but I'm not sure how it would translate for noobs. The only stuff that I think pointless for film would be Guys - which could be told in a montage in about 5 minutes - and Latter Days/The Last Day. Latter Days because it's just so much "wtf Dave?!", and The Last Day because it's so out of line with the rest of the story. Siiigh. Like old times, this is. lol Yeah, I'd love a movie, of any kind. Obviously still hoping that happens. -
It's not that so much as it was just Dave doing whatever the hell he wanted because it was truly and completely his book. It was 100% self published and idiosyncratic to the extreme. And when he did something that alienated fans - as was often the case - instead of back-peddling and trying to bring them back he would push his agenda even farther. He is OPENLY anti-feminist - whether that makes him a misogynist or not is still debatable - and let it take over a huge portion of the storyline in the book. His religious beliefs changed often throughout the series run and were always an integral part of the story. Unfortunately, near the end of the run, this happened (from his Wiki page): Following his reading of the Bible and the Qur'an beginning in December 1996, Sim underwent a religious conversion from atheist secular humanism to his own mixture of the Abrahamic religions. He lives a lifestyle of fasting, celibacy, prayer, and alms-giving, and considers scriptures from the Jewish (the Torah, and Nevi'im), Christian (the Gospels, Acts and the Book of Revelation), and Islamic (the Qur'an) religions to be equally valid as the Word of God. He explored theological themes heavily in the later issues of Cerebus. Now, I still love Latter Days for a number of reasons. The art is insanely detailed and beautiful. The Woody Allen and Three Stooges stuff is right in line with his use of "real world people" and parody from many earlier portions of the series. Unfortunately, a lot of the shit is just straight up near unreadable. All that, and about 10,000 other words that I could write - aside, it's still one of the best comic books ever printed. The humor, intelligence, ground-breaking art and ideas, philosophical point of view, joy, sadness and anger in the books are undeniable. As a fan of both comics and literature in general I can confidently recommend everything from High Society (book 2) through Form and Void (book 14). But if you have the books in the attic you should absolutely read High Society, Church & State Vol 1 & 2 and Jaka's Story. Now, who's reading Glamourpuss!? I freakin' love that book!
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I don't think it unfortunate that Dave found his own spiritual place, peace, beliefs - whatever! I think that's great, if it's what brings you happiness. I just found it unfortunate that it took Cerebus in yet another completely different direction and made the end of the series somewhat odd and anti-climatic. Dave always said he had a plan for the entire run from about issue 25. But I don't believe for one second that Latter Days and The Last Day were part of that plan. I believe that came strictly from his "spiritual awakening".
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Is going to disappoint and piss me off. Siiiigh.
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Dec 01, 2009 2:58:46 PM CST
...and now, in this nearly dead talkback, I will attempt...
by flickapoo
...a quick and superficial list of LOTR high points and low points...mostly for my own amusement. The books were first read to me at the age of four, so they are the ink and paper equivalent of a snuggle blanket and my own suckable right thumb...I have no objectivity. The Shire...perfect. Merry and Pippin's comic relief bugs me a bit, but they are good for kids and sold another 100 million worth of tickets so I understand the necessity. Sean Astin is no great actor, but the fact that he's so earnest and trying so hard sort of works for the role. Elijah Wood?...I don't know man. Sometimes really good, but that generic wandering accent... Strider/Aragorn...wasn't sure about Mortensen at first, but he won me over completely. Completely. The flight to the ford...very good. Changed from the book of course, but very exciting...great way to end the first section of the movie. The Last Homely House...beautiful design. Love the otherworldly atmosphere. Statues are a little fantasy art cheesy, but no big deal.Elves in general...terrible. Probably the single worst thing about the movies. Blanchett is great and I even like Liv Tyler, but the males look ridiculous...like Felicity Huffman in TRANSAMERICA. Pasty, bloated, visibly white makeuped DURAN DURAN looking guys. Council of Elrond...I have to leave the room. Can't watch it. It would be cheesy in the SWORD AND THE SORCERER "sequel" and it's an abomination here. Gimli...terrible. Too much crap on his face...John Rhys-Davies is in a completely different movie...some sort of fantasy spoof or SNL sketch. Several clunky photo-op shots of The Fellowship that make me cringe. Mines of Moria...great work...amazingly good. I could do without the breaking/tottering video game staircase, but no big deal. One of the best parts of the movies. Lothlorien...very, very good...apart from the overall transvestite problem. Good job capturing the spooky and alien elements. All the river, breaking of the fellowship, and death of Boromir stuff is perfect. Boromir's death in particular couldn't be better. My one complaint with the end here is that Aragorn is too OK with what's going on. I realize they needed an end to the first movie that doesn't make you want to slit your wrists, but Aragorn is supposed to feel really tormented and like a complete failure at this point. And as usual some Gimli cheese tarnishes the moment. I better stop here. Nobody's going to read this and I'm starting to bore myself.
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...Church and State and High Society both sound familiar...
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Hell, most people can't even remember how Return of the King ended.
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...and you didn't even get out of the first film. I just can't agree completely about the elves. Mostly because they don't all look that way. I know exactly the characters you're referring to, but it's only a portion of the elves in the film. But I still dig the way they look in general. There is no description of them all being thin, so the bloated thing is kinda silly. And they're supposed to be of another age and have a disdain - be it great or small - of most other beings in middle-earth. So their standofish hoity-toity attitude works for me, too. What annoys me is when they show up randomly to help fight and then start getting killed off like everyone else. Wasn't in the book - shouldn't have happened.
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... heh.
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But a lot of people are for sure. I dig PJ. I dig WETA. I dig what they did with the LOTR trilogy 95% of the time. I certainly never expected to even GET a LOTR trilogy in my lifetime. The fact that it's not complete shit was a bonus. The fact that I LOVE all the back stories that most people don't know, and that the writing team is using them to help create two new movies out of The Hobbit, makes me pretty geeked-out. Any good sword and sorcery fantasy geeks me out. And notice I said good. It doesn't even have to be great, which I think the LOTR is.
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As a fellow long-suffering fan - I salute you! Cerebus, Iron Man and Xmen were my top three faves in the late 70's to mid 80's and beyond. They pulled me into the store. And long after Iron Man was wrecked by Denny Fucking O'neil, and Xmen became just a money grab, I still only ventured into the store to get Cerebus and only Cerebus. I was in the Marine Corp for 14 years, and even when I could not get to a shop, I still managed to pick up back issues. I have every issue of the run except the first 3. To anyone who wants to read Cerebus, it is best done in chronological order starting with High Society. However, there are some insanely funny books predating HS that involve Lord Julius (who is really Groucho Marx). Jaka, I read every issues letters pages and message from the president, and you are 100% correct, there were years when they were more entertaining that the book itself - which is sad, but also one of those things that link a true Cerebus fan to just the Dirty Fleegles of the world. I loved that series, and yes even at it's most frustrating I stuck with it. But at times it was a chore.
I remember having a mini crush on Deni and those big glasses of hers. I met Dave at a book signing in upstate NY - he was just the nicest and mots patient comic book artist I ever met. I saw guys come in with brief cases filled with Cerebus - and he signed every one until store mgmt put a stop to it. I have a poster he did with Cerebus decked out like a football player that he autographed. To this day it is framed and hanging in my game room - next to my Giants memorabilia!
Yes, I wish he had not gone off on some of those tangents - although they provided an unimpeded look into his life as it was falling apart. I wish the promise of the Mind Games and Suenteus Po had actually come to fruition. I wish Cerebus had not died alone and unloved - and with a stupid son! But, all those things will never detract from the sheer joy i got from reading the Wolveroach - - how I was in tears from laughing so hard when he beat up the Scottish dude who bragged that the roach 'bruised his knuckles perty bad on mah kidneys'. Or moonroach and kevitch. Or the Super Secret Sacred wars. Or wondering about Astoria's motives. Or wishing the Elf would return. Every few years I break out the series and read start to finish. I might have to go back to HS again very soon. -
More HELLBOY instead of HP Lovecraft's greatest work...?
What, HELLBOY 2 didn't meet your lifetime quota of "meh"? -
But for some reason I don't. And I love LOTR.
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...you're welcome.
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Look at the making of those LOTR movies. PJ had a hell of a time getting those finished. I think Del Toro will have a heart attack before he gets done.
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First off, great username- I salute you.Secondly, I really enjoyed your review of the first LOTR movie. I for one hope you do two more posts - one for each of the following movies. Thanks!
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SSSSSSHHHIT! Ye shit, Jackson! Ye shit, MGM! All of ye, each and every one of ye, utter SHIT! And not just regular shit, oh no, ye ain't regular shit. Ye feckin' piles of steaming, maggot-infested, Smeagol-slime covered Orc shit, that's what ye are! YE DIRTY FECKERS!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, had a Jack Hackett moment. But really...I mean, come on, REALLY?!??!?!? All that rancid Hollywood shit comes out right on schedule, and the only two movies on the horizon that I care about, (sans the Alien prequel), get fucked over yet again? First PJ's money dispute with New Line, then the writer's strike, then obtaining the rights, then New Line folding, then the Tolkien lawsuit, and now this. Probably should have seen it coming. Anywho, in conclusion, I'd just like to say: SSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking figures. Fucking typical.
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It is very clear that you are supressing. Holding back. You're too shy. It's OK. Let it out. Let us know how you REALLY feel. :-)
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I love most of the series as much as the portions you've already mentioned. It's just that it became more difficult to love them on a monthly basis as the series was ongoing. The mix of prose with traditional pages - loved it! The use of Wilde and Hemingway - loved it! His slow decline into hating everything and everyone - loved it! lol Shoot, Going Home and Form & Void are some of my favorite parts of the story. Partly for personal reasons. But mostly because I love that he brought Jaka back and then just brushed her off and out of the story again, breaking fans hearts. The Regency Elf turning out to be a "fake" - Cerebus' subconscious - and never returning has always pissed me off. It was too easy for Dave. But I believe that, and the non-return of a few other characters until the last page of issue 300 - had as much to do with Dave's fractured real-life relationships as anything else. He simply didn't want to keep dealing with the people he'd moved on from in real world in his created world.
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Will we get Blu Ray Lord of the Rings anytime soon? I'm not holding my breath for Star Wars, it took Lucas years to go to DVD. But LOTR, please?
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Can't be released until Lucas has decided what changes he wants to make and to format them in a manner that will force us to buy four different editions.
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was the multiple endings at the end of return of the king. plus the kind of homo-erotic stuff between Sam and frodo. Samwise gangee is country bumpkin.
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will buy star wars on blu ray. people are so fed up with lucas.
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a great piece of filmmaking. not sure that lotr stands up today. seen them on dvd. fellowship is luminous on HD. but the others are boring.
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Going through trauma like that will make you that close to another man. Ask anybody whose ever been to war. And I'm definitely in the camp of those who loves the multiple endings (which I admit it has). It's always felt like a nice slow step-down to the previous 12 hours (if you watch the extended versions) of movie.
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Dec 01, 2009 4:19:28 PM CST
What's the diff between an Escalade and a golf ball?
by zombieheathledger
Tiger can drive a golf ball 400 yards.
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Dec 01, 2009 4:23:11 PM CST
...I don't mind the homo-eroticosity or multiple endings...
by flickapoo
...the big bed flop/pillow fight was maybe a bit much. I'm a sucker for long endings...the book has a couple hundred pages of ending and could go on for five hundred more if it wanted to.
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Dec 01, 2009 4:29:46 PM CST
First film pushed back to 2012 says The One Ring.Net...
by fa_tass_dinomolester
At least we have Transformers 3, Star Trek (1)2, Tintin and Prince of Persia to tide us over during the long wait! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to blow my brains out.
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Next time I'll just be brutally honest. ;)
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...I always think that at the very end, as the ship is leaving the Grey Havens and is slowly sailing away...the sail should suddenly snap tight and billow full of sea breeze, just as the boat clears entrance to the bay. It would be a cool visual, and would feel as though Gandalf, Frodo, and co. are maybe off on a new adventure.This is the geekiest post of my career.
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Del Toro and Jackson on the run!!!
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I think Jack's an alcoholic at the beginning of the show, just like his dead father. The very first scene of Jack on the plane has him bitching about how weak his drink is and stashing mini bottles in his suit pocket.
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And because Locke told him his Dad was still alive back on the island. And that Jack saw a vision of his Dad.
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To the one book-one movie that it should be. Hell, even with an explanation of Gandalf's whereabouts, and the fight with "the Necromancer," page-for-page the movie should only wind up at three hours tops. I'd love more middle earth, but I don't want a bloated King-Kong sized clusterfuck of self-indulgence. Oh and Martin Freeman for Bilbo please.
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LOST or The Hobbit? Fuck I can't decide...
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And neither would Sam Raimi, actually. I trust Jackson but Del Toro? With someone else's material? Not so much.
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Del Toro is directing. PJ is just attached to it so people will post headlines like that.
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3 hour long remakes of movies we already saw.
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Now that The Hobbit has been (slightly) delayed, we can talk about L O S T.
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...why thank you. You'll have to start a petition to get the next two installments...fifty signatures minimum.I haven't seen RETURN OF THE KING in a while so I'm rusty. For THE TWO TOWERS my complaint list is mostly even more and even worse Gimli...more Elves with bad skin and double chins, and the pacing/editing. The book of course follows each story thread for a long time in big chunks. The movie has to break things up and it just doesn't work as well...messy and sometimes a little boring. Also, some big moments lose their proper impact without an uninterrupted buildup. I'm not really sure how they could have avoided the problem...just a tighter script I suppose. Once the movie gets a chance to settle in at Helm's Deep it gets a lot better (except for shield surfing of course).I generally don't mind little changes to help the story work as a movie, but the whole Warg fight and Aragorn falling off the cliff seemed unnecessary and crammed in. Some of the worst CG in the movie too.As always, the environments are perfect and spectacular. I thought everything at Helm's Deep looked just right and they did a great job of building up dread and a feeling of humanity making a last desperate stand...maybe even better than the book in that department. Certainly more emphasized And Gandalf's charge down the hill at the end, while a big change from the book, is an amazing moment. At that point in the movie I'm usually still pissed off about Dwarf tossing and shield surfing but that sunrise charge gets me every time...one of the best moments of the trilogy. Nobody knows I'm such a big Tolkien geek, so keep all this quiet...ok?
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The book was ok .. cartoons were ok too .. but for some reason I am all LOTR'd out ...
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honestly. Don't soil this talkback with that filth.
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but at least it keeps Del Toro from making any other films at the moment. At the Mountains of Madness could be good, but if it's in English it will only be a pile of shit. The Hellboy films were bunk.
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I hate how everyone seems to have such short memories. LOTR is the best film of the last 50 years. A few years ago, 98% of you couldn't get off this film's dick. But with the nerd crowd, if it gets to be a few years old, there's something else to take over as the "best evar!" Don't foget how badass LOTR is. And the Hobbit is without a doubt, the most anticipated film for A LOT of folks, whether they want to admit it now or not.
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CANCEL LENO!!
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Wouldn't say it's the best in the past 50 years, BUT I agree that it is eagerly anticipated by many. Though for some god awful reason LOST seems to have taken over this TB. Not hating on Lost, but what does it have to do with anything remotely related to LOTR?
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Wonder what plot twist this will bring on 30 Rock?Networks are evil, but cable companies are Satan spawned evil encarnate.
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does look very efamanit. in the lord of the rings. that is where the homo-erotic thing comes from.
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That LOST conversation was going on long before I joined in.
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God I can't wait for that garbage to end.
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Dec 02, 2009 1:38:39 PM CST
TheWaqman likes Hobiteroticism more than genre-defining TV
by tall_boy66
Bwahahahahaha!! Right, The Hobbit. Great stuff. Sure.
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"Let's stop and sing along the way. Tra la la la la!!! Turn those orcs into stone, tra la la la la!!" Gonna be a great movie for sure.
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more than one of the most beloved stories of all time. Right, Lost. Great stuff. Sure. "I'm JJ Abrams, and I'm the personification of everything that's wrong with the American entertainment industry. And I go 'la di da di da' in the background! It's fucking distracting"! Gonna be a great tv series for sure.
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I spilled cream soda on it, and now the enter button sticks.
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World Cup, June 2010, South Africa!!! Go Kiwi's or wtvr ;p
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Helm's Deep is amazing and the from what I understand PJ didn't direct any of it. His producer directed that shoot working nights while PJ directed Sam & Frodo scenes during the day. (You probably already know this I just find it interesting...)
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