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UPDATED! James Horner Speaks About AVATAR!
UPDATE: An AICN reader named Owen sent in a link to another interview with James Horner regarding his work on AVATAR. This print interview was conducted by the Times of London and covers some additional topics not covered in the audio interview. Enjoy!
Click HERE.
Greetings! ScoreKeeper here feeling a bit embarrassed and shameful. My coverage of James Horner's upcoming score to AVATAR (2009) has been woefully poor to put it bluntly. It's as if I've almost forgotten that AVATAR is coming out in a couple weeks. Well, I aim to remedy my negligence by pointing you over to Dan Schweiger's uber-cool, one-on-one radio interview with the unusually private James Horner where they talk candidly about all things AVATAR!
In the interview business, James Horner is a particularly sporty catch as he has waned throughout the later half of his career from giving interviews. The fact that a somewhat polarizing figure such as Horner has opened up and revealed his inner thoughts and feelings on scoring one of the most highly anticipated films of the year (half-decade? decade? century?!?) makes for one awesome interview!
Now sit back, relax, don your Snuggie, open up a hot toddy and prepare yourself for the most AVATAR-infused thirty minutes you'll spend this side of opening weekend.
Ready to hear Mr. Horner speak? Click HERE.
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...it will fuck your ears in 2009.
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i cant wait to listen the score in the movie
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What? Highly anticipated it aint.
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Sorry, watching too much of THE GUILD lately.
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I hoped that this would turn out to be great despite itself. But the signs aren't good... Read this article from The Guardian
http://tinyurl.com/ykpghfu
Summary: A vomit inducing horrible piece of shit...with some beautiful moments.
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if you want to be a troll, at least be ORIGINAL.
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http://tinyurl.com/ykpghfu
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that linked review is from a "gossip site", written anonymously. and you believe it? you geeks who so easily screamed plants for every early review posted here?
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"But overall it's a horrible
piece of shit."
look at the harsh words chosen. i think it's obvious someone has a axe to grind. i'd take the words of favreau, soderbergh, and cuaron over this 'plant'. -
Saw the new trailer attached to Boondock Saints II, and there was virtually no reaction from the crowd. This movie will need massive amounts of WOM to break 200 mil domestic, since the trailers aren't doing the job.
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I don't think James Cameron is sweating about the reactions of people stupid enough to pay money to see Boondock Saints II.
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you beat me to it. that was exactly, EXACTLY what i was going to say. :)
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That was from The Guardian a British broadsheet paper. Wasn't trolling either. I'm still hoping for it to be good. Cloudrider... You are probably right its too harsh to be taken fully seriously.
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it said so right there in the guardian piece. and that gossip site is obviously lacking in objectivity and intent on slamming the film - it attacks the interactive trailers, for pete's sake!
the whole 'review' is just two paragraph long and NOT ONCE it went into the specific! NOT ONE DETAIL mentioned to account for the fact that this 'plant' has even seen the film. -
Fox and Cameron need you to do a better job when it comes to defending and apologizing for Avatars shortcomings. All great movies need to be defended and apologized for on a constant basis, just like Transformers 2.
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you've seen the film, dude?
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Avatar must be a "great" movie because a few fanbois SAY SO! Avatar will reinvent the way movies are experienced Epic masterpiece mind-blowing Photo-realJaw-droppingCGI unlike anything you have seen before Like dreaming with your eyes open Revolutionary Cameron's Lawrence of ArabiaGame-changerThis generation's Stars Wars Truly amazing Prepare to be blown away Breathtaking Like a highly addictive drug that had left my mind yearning for more A movie you can't stop dreaming about Avatar will activated parts of my brain that were previously untouched by conventional, two-dimensional films
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falling asleep during PJ's King Kong?
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quick, someone stick his foot into tranny's mouth before he bite his tongue.
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after the vomit inducing...
This says that Avatar is 'a game changer' and 'dangerously close to a masterpiece'. Unfortunately its 26:20 in and you can't fast forward.
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Nov 28, 2009 1:13:22 PM CST
If I heard correctly the effects worked just finished the other
by mr dark
and prints haven't even been locked yet..I call bullshit on this rags reporting...I saw the 16 mins. in Imax 3d and it was not vomit inducing in any way.
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my troll comment wasn't directed at you. it's at the ferngully post above yours.
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It looks watchable enough, but anticipation (especially the kind described by this article) for the most part is relegated to the jim cam diq rider club.
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and yet can't stop voicing their aggressive lack of interest... congratulations? Do you get a prize? Because you've 'resisted' the hype, you've somehow proven beyond reproach what strong character and healthy individualism you possess?I'm excited about it. But it will be what it is - overhyped garbage, a cinematic masterpiece, a little of both and wholly neither. Whatever. I want to see it, and that's about all the judgment one can pass at this juncture - go, or don't go.
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There was a crowd in Boondock Saints II?
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Oh..sorry :)
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its like clicking an interesting CNN article and finding out its video.
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Nov 28, 2009 1:27:11 PM CST
I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way
by rage_against_martin_sheen
Colonial Marines vs. Avatar aliens. I'd watch it.
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Nov 28, 2009 1:29:41 PM CST
Ha, Horner pretty much calls out the Star Trek score at the end
by bullet3
Near the last 10 minutes, he starts talking about people starting in tv not having understanding/appreciation of thematic elements and he also talks about franchise films in the same sentence. It sounds like a thinly veiled jab at the new star trek score. Good on him, his wrath of kahn score beats the shit out of giachinnos unmemorable work on the new star trek.
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... Dark Knight Lite gets pwn3d.
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And the entire theater burst into laughter when it ended...Says it all, really. This will be King Kong all over again: a tiny population on the internet declares it the pinnacle of modern filmmaking, while the rest of the world is ambivalent at best and scornful at worst.
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Nov 28, 2009 1:46:44 PM CST
Rage_Against_Martin_Shen, the Marines would still lose probably!
by fa_tass_dinomolester
A little girl survived a lot longer than them with no weapons and no training.
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Nov 28, 2009 1:46:46 PM CST
all the haters will see this in the theater so STFU
by zombieheathledger
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And they don't even show gargamel in the trailers?
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AVP-R, King Kong, Wolverine, Terminator, Star Trek '09, and Matrix 2 and 3 in the theater as well. What's your point?
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game over man.
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Nov 28, 2009 1:56:11 PM CST
My point is your hating on a movie that will still get your $$
by zombieheathledger
so who wins ultimately?
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Nov 28, 2009 2:02:05 PM CST
'My point is your hating on a movie that will still get your $$'
by quantize
Dude, I agree that it's too soon to make a judgment (that makes sense)...but that logic is utterly retarded..who gives a shit if they get your $$$, if you think the film sucks...that's it..whether you paid to see it or not.
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The goal of their marketing department and investors, is to get your money, once they've done that, the game is over. Sure they want good word of mouth from you, but they want your money more. Your money is your vote. Simple economics.
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what matters more is if it's any good. if it turns out to be a great film, then that's all the validation the film ever needs. in the world where people flock to michael bay movies religiously(you know he makes shit but you just have to keep watching his new shit) and new moon can bank $142 million in 3 days, it's obvious the general public is beyond redemption.
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before it came out. It was going to ruin Cameron's career and the corporation that funded it, yahdah yahdah yahdah. Pick up a 1997 copy of Rolling Stone to see how hard they trashed it. Cameron's doing was has to be done next. Film as we know it has run its course.
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so you better line up the theaters! and make sure you bring your dumb redneck friends and their entire inbred families with you!
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you are only encouraging more bad movies? That's my point. All that AVATAR haters will still pay to see it and thus continue the cycle. Put your money where your mouth is.
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if all the people proclaiming this to be the next big thing see it and it turns out they hate it, they'll never admit it. and then all those who already hate it wont admit if it turns out they liked it. so why bother arguing over it?
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love the book, wanted very much to love the film. looked forward to it, talked much about it, and then i saw it. it sucks. now have no problem saying i hate it at every chance. ditto with SW prequels, ditto with matrix sequels, ditto with spiderman 3, and ditto with avatar if it turns out to be the biggest dissapointment. dont worry about that, bouncy.
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Nov 28, 2009 2:30:08 PM CST
I wonder if the "La La, lalalala" theme will have orchestral acc
by br1947
or a more hardline metal version of the Smurf theme...
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....like a cartoon.
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Not hating on it. Just the trailers and the tv spots don't excite me. I was very curious when the project was announced. I enjoy many of Cameron's other movies. For some reason I find myself not the least bit curious about it. Wish him and the movie well though.
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Giachani did a marvelous job on trek, i've been listening to it near every day since it's release... it's fantastic to say the least and bashing it shows you really don't know what you're talking about. Seriously.... it's the best trek score since Horner (and i mean no bad words towards goldsmith - that guys not to be compared with horner) as a side note, I've listened to the sample tracks of avitar, it sounds like a cross between braveheart, titanic and direct rips from james newton howards atlantis
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What I meant was now that I have seen the trailers and the tv spots I am no longer interested in it.
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the avatar talkbacks.
Let us all pray,pray for Avatar to sink in the box office,so that the souls of our psychop.. eeeer geek brothers and sisters,who hate a movie that they havent seen yet,get rid of the heavy weight of good filmaking and awesome visualization (in 3d as our all-mighty Father always wanted name),and return to the road of socialism,befriending and sexual relationship.
PRAY,PRAY,ALL TOGETHER,AVATAR SINK,AVATAR SINK,CAMERON GO TO HELL,CAMERON GO TO HELL,THE HATERS MUST BE SAVED,THE HATERS MUST BE SAVED.AMEN. -
Except for akermans acting and the bad old age makeup, and how snyder turned the greatest images in the book into a giant crater, it rocked.
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but i have to admit that his star trek was very disappointing.maybe it suits nice the film,but as standalone music its crap.
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it has no theme... just this sound. nothing that doesnt sound like everything else. i think transformers falls into that too.
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Up in particular is great, and his cloverfield piece is awesome. However, his Star Trek score is very lacking. Having one kinda ok theme that is repeated throughout is not enough. It's like with john william's crystal skull score, I don't remember a damn thing from it. In my opinion trek needs the kind of powerful, epic, badass stuff that horner was doing with it. And I can't speak for horner's avatar score till I hear it in theaters, perhaps he's still got it, perhaps he's lost it, I was merely comparing his past scores.
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Yes, the comic is excellent. The movie......................not so much.
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you havent listened to it..... man, ive been collected film score music my whole life... i have EVERYTHING and im fairly certain im not dilusional when i lay claim that star trek had one of the best scores of the last ten years of any action film - let alone star trek film
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http://tinyurl.com/38xc3b
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and the idea of the film score looked at as a construction process at trendy efficient architectural firm, is sad. I'm toying around with my own movie right now, and have gone through two educated composers and am finding out just how hard it is to aim for respectable film score music that doesn't sound generic, cheap, all the while fulfilling expecations of the genre yet pushing for new sounds/moods/emotions
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but I'd download it (if that were legal) I just think it looks really dumb and its fun to bash cause of all the hype. I mean they said it was going to change movies forever and most people are laughing at it or don't give a shit. But if its great, I'll admit I was wrong, buy a ticket and get the dvd.
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Man, for a time there in the late 80s, he was the new John Williams. If a movie with any magic came out, he was the composer. This past decade though, he's really faded into mediocrity (along with the movies, it seems like). I'm not getting worked up for his Avatar music because of that. If he surprises me, great, but I just don't expect much after all this time. Actually that's kind of my whole attitude about Avatar, though unlike everyone else, my interest increased when the trailer came out. I think it only looks bad to chumps who swallowed all those spoonfulls of bullshi--er, hype that were dealt out about this movie for years.
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Nov 28, 2009 3:27:33 PM CST
I'm pretty sure your post makes no sense nocturama
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
Seeing as I was clearly talking about the movie
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james horner had like 1 theme which was repeated thruout
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You can bet your sweet ass and half a titty.
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unlike the new theme (I counted by the way, its 16 notes, repeated ad nauseum, and not that good to begin with). And I will agree that horner hasn't really done anything memorable in years, but I'm really hoping he pulls something great off this time.
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Wow, this site hates and promotes shit all at the same time!!
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The only movie AICN promotes is JJ's Star Trekwars.
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I think a fairly accurate one could be designed, by applying tests to posts, similar to: "Post compares Avatar to Smurfs - deduct 20 IQ".
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I'm ready!
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Now with 3D lens flare!!!!!!
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i left a watchmen in my doody pot this morning, should i send it to you? p.s. watchmen is a metaphor. p.p.s. dances with smurfs, thats funny, everyone in my class now thinks you are some kind of genius of comedy, can you send a signed picture to helen foley's class? signed: your friend
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I'll just check it out at the library and DVDShrink it to my hard drive. Only chumps pay for dvds...
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No, only cheap asses like you steal shit.
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Who hates a film they haven't even seen is a FUCKING MORON. And that's being kind...
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No more so than someone who defends a film he hasn't even seen...
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on his wife.
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Did he crash the golf cart?
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im a movie geek.. like almost everyone here. i love Sci-fi.. i love watching new special effects (good or bad, its always interesting to me) I, like most people my age, worshiped at the james cameron alter for a while. AND..this is the big one.. AND.. i am not a hater AT ALL. i actually liked matrix 2 more than matrix 1. (i know, insane, but thats my opinon.) so im not lying to myself when i say.. despite the fact that i should be crapping my pants in anticipation for Avatar, im just not.i dont have a vendetta, i dont want anyone to fail, i SHOULD be excited.. but im not. plain and simple.I'll still see it, and ill still have a good attitude going in.. but unfortunately nothing ive seen has made me excited yet.
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Nov 28, 2009 4:59:05 PM CST
theKRELL-what the fuck are you talking about?
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
dumbass
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into his FACE!!!!!!
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Nov 28, 2009 5:12:43 PM CST
James Cameron's next movie if Avatar does well.
by liesandpicturesofalsolies
Bill Clinton plays an underwater private detective with a penchant for bazookas. He meets CGI Audrey Hepburn working a case about the disappearance of a billion sharks at a corporate explosion farm. They fall in love and decide to build a rocket sled made of CGI-cloth so they can live in the middle of the planet Jupiter. Things turn craaazy when the billion sharks are found to be ruling all crime in the galaxy from their Jupiter Ice Castle. The movie will cost one billion dollars.
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isn't funny anymore. Get new 'gags' please or just keep it to yourself.
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The Matrix Reloaded is one of the worst movies ever made. Absolutely atrocious. I'll never forget going in to see it, a packed house, everybody excited. 2+ hours later the entire audience trudged out in silence, bored senseless and disappointed beyond belief.
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$4.00, so I could waste some time while my wife was Christmas shopping. The movie was a B-. You can mock all you want, but remember two important points - I have a hot wife (1) and you don't (2.) Merry Christmas losers.
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aside from the cg overload at times, its a really good movie. revolutions is the one thats one of the worst movies ever. that was a fucking god awful piece of flaming nut filled horse shit.
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Nov 28, 2009 5:41:03 PM CST
you have a hot wife? let see some pictures,
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
and her home address, cell phone and social security numbers.
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...you willingly paid cash money to be in a darkened room away from her while a ropey old sub-Tarantino Oirish gangsta bollocks sequel played. Ah, you got us there, big man.
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Shouldn't this website be cheerleading a boycott of this film [and causing it to bomb] if it leads to Tom Rothman getting sacked and 20th Century Fox's finances sinking so low it puts a world of hurt on parent company News Corp? Geez, back in the day, this site was all about vinegar and putting a world of hurt on Warner Bros. shitting all over the Batman franchise with the release of *Batman & Robin*.
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You do realize that the term "hot wife" refers to a wife that swings and cuckolds her willing husband, right?
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Though the premise is ancient (didn't RETURN OF THE JEDI do this story 25 plus years ago?), and the production design is a straight mix of ALIENS-era Cameron tech-fetishism and, well, any of the DELGO / FERNGULLY eco-toons of days gone by. We've been there, and we've seen this. All the CGI wonderment in the world can't fix the redundancy of the premise, unless it turns out that Cameron's made a $300M sly dig at noughties US foreign policy...
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Whedon almost took down Fox with his crap TV series.
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Nov 28, 2009 6:07:13 PM CST
dont take down fox, just murder rothman
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
slit his throat and sodomize his dead body!
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your hot 'wife', keep her away from open flames, plastic melts. and is she the anatomically correct model with 3 lifelike orifices? signed: your friend
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y do u have a hard-on for joss whedon? did he not 'service' you good enough, even after he wore the transformer costume just for you!
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is that I actually read better ideas about what should happen in the talkbacks then what showed up on the screen. I remember there was an idea floating around that when Neo destroyed the squids from attacking the ship at the end of Reloaded, it should've been revealed that that wasn't actually reality but yet another failsafe level of the matrix (because Neo shouldn't have been able to have powers in real life.) I thought that would've been great. RELOADED had some good parts like the Mervingian, the ghost twins (which I also remember TBer's having some good ideas about like that they were viruses in the matrix, TB'ers were calling the the Virii for awhile. And of course the two 18 wheelers colliding head on scene rules.
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No other movie has ever been nitpicked or compared to other movies as much as Avatar, when literally every movie ever could be called the name of another movie. Apparently the smurfs (3 feet tall blue characters with white hats) have the market cornered on blue characters forever too...does anyone else see how moronic that is? It's fine if the movie doesn't interest you, and I respect the people who admit they're not interested and move on. Unfortunately it's impossible to respect anyone who has made a movie they think looks bad such an integral part of their life. That just screams "I'm a loser with no life who's happiness hinges on the failure of successful people".
The thing I don't get is the "too cool for Avatar" vibe that so many people insist on having. Is it cause you nerds hyped it up so much the final project didn't live up to the movie in your mind? Despite what anyone says Avatar looks awesome, and no matter what one thinks about the story (which is quite layered and original), no one can deny that it looks like a top-notch sci-fi action flick. Usually that's enough for most people, but for some reason not this time. But don't get it confused, outside of AICN Avatar is VERY anticipated. Look around the web if you don't believe it...I mean the fact that every Avatar talkback shoots to #1 on this site is proof alone...good press or bad press, almost no one is indifferent, and that's all that matters cause the film will speak for itself. -
Easily one of the most bogus reviews I've ever read. The reviewer offers absolutely nothing in that review that is proof he has seen the movie. Not one bit of information that isn't known from existing trailers and featurettes. It's a typical pre-release I hate Avatar review that is obviously fabricated to generate bad press.It's Titanic all over again.
Plus, if you wanna go that route there's several reviews online of Avatar that have called it a near masterpiece. On Anne Thompsons Oscar blog she says someone she knows has seen Avatar and has called "Brilliant, a game-changer." Now since I'm not an idiot like so many of you I'm gonna take it with a grain of salt...however it's a lot more reputable then that fake-as-hell review at the guardian. -
Mr. dark, you heard correctly. Weta just finished them up. They still have the final sound mix at Skywalker Ranch to do and strike the prints. It'll be done to the wire like every Cameron film.
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WAAA! Someone made fun of Whedon! WAAAA! Go make out with your Kristen Bell figure.
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kwisatzhaderach: my point was not to argue the merits of the 3 matrix movie, just that im easy to please. (unless of course, you want to discuss the matrix..i actually agree with supercowbell.. the 3rd one was the shitfest.) Dark Knight Lite: isnt the stereotype of every single internet poster is a loser dork old by now? i bet you lots of people here have fucked hot chicks. you have a hot wife, i one up you.. i have a hot girlfriend. (which is a pretty obvious advantage in my mind.)MandrakeRoot: the reason every avatar talkback goes to #1 is because we all like talking about movies and other shit here, and avatar is obviously the hottest movie coming out right now.. so this is where the discussion is. (notice how we've been discussing Matrix, Watchmen, Tiger Woods, etc..)
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u r wrong, as usual, someone did not make fun of whedon, no one did. u r a no one. stick with that crapfest u know best. oh. my. god. the island disappeared! how cool was that, fap fap fap, and u r spent. signed: your friend
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It was pretty fucking cool. And 10 million people also thought it was cool. Go jack off to Dollhouse.
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NOTHING ELSE SPLATTERS!
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It's not Sully, and it doesn't look like the Zoe Saldana character. Who is it?
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My understanding from an article I just saw was that the movie's not evne finished yet and there are still some effects being completed."If it helps people understand, let me say this. I just saw AVATAR the other night, and it was awful, really stupid, about a mysterious planet filled with blue aliens. The 3D made me pukingly sick!"In case you missed it, that's me making up stuff. See how easy it is? Anyone could do that.
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Your description of clips from this score makes me excited, Braveheart is awesome, Titanic is Braveheart lite, and Atlantis Lost Empire is extremely cool (made me wake up to JNH). But only if it's done in a new way with the feel of those other scores, not copied, that would suck
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no, it was cooler than cool, it was kewl, 3 faps and u r done. if u picture your brother hurley while u r doing it, can u cum after 2 faps? does your transformer butt plug help u attain a cosmic capitulation of unknown consequence? and do your neighbors complain every time you cry out "fuck me joss, fuck me in my fucking ass! u r way better than hurley." signed: your friend
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Nobody cares about Avatar except Cameron and FOX. Seriously, Liam Neeson's TAKEN was more anticipated from my point of view.
Cameron thinks this is a "GAME CHANGER" becase he hasn't done a movie in 12 years. He thinks CGI motion-cap is something new he's developed. Think about it, his last film was Titanic (some OK CGI)...but since then we've had Golems and King Kongs and Transformers. Heck, even the MUMMY movies came out AFTER Titanic. I couldn't care less about this movie (and the fact that it's FOX makes it even sweeter when it pulls in Terminator Salvation numbers).
Also, the CGI hasn't impressed me yet (even the robots from I, ROBOT look like they emote better).
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I agree that it won't do well. That's just my prediction. I've made an agreement to see it, and I am going to judge it totally objectively.As for Horner's score ... while "Casper's Lullaby" is quite possibly one of my favorite pieces of movie music, I've just totally lost interest in Horner, after the shit he pulled in THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES where he not only aped his own CASPER score but basically lifted whole passages from "Casper's Lullaby" during the heartfelt moments of THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES. He didn't even tweak it. He just re-used it. HOLEE SHIT that's lazy. Anyway, with Michael G. and JNH making interesting music every time, there're far better composers to follow than Horner. He's a joke after THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES. But damn, I love THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES.
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I saw the 1st full trailer at another movie, and the crowd - and there WAS a big crowd (INGLORIUS) just exploded into derisive laughter about halfway through and a few outright booed and hooted as the name of the flick came up at the end. I would say that any Fox executive in the audience would've been shitting his pants. And then the audience would've laughed at him, too. MAN, it was brutal.
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Bust - fer sure.
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That crowd wouldn't be able to understand a movie like Avatar.
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That early "review" just doesn't make sense—why would Cameron show this to anyone if it wasn't complete? Are they screening the film WITHOUT the final mix or effects? How could someone have seen the entire film? Cameron is meticulous; with so much at stake do you think he would jeopardize his team and their hard work (not to mention Fox's investment) for any random person on the lot and potentially expose the goods?
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but if the Tarantino fans don't get Avatar, then whose the audience for this film? Those groups are practically the same people.
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The thing is, I don't think AVATAR will be good or bad. I've agreed to go see it. I'm going to go with a totally open mind, and believe it or not that's something I can do. With my autism, I'm totally honest. I don't lie. As I've said, it's impossible for some people with autism to lie. The downside of this is that it makes people think we're lying all the time, because our moods and our tastes shift seemingly at random. It's not that - we just are all on the surface. I think if most people thought about how their feelings about a particular thing might change from moment to moment, they'd understand.
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I don't think the Tarentino crowd is a Cameron crowd. Tarentino makes films for a small audience who like blood and gore, and simple characters.
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Nov 28, 2009 8:40:52 PM CST
Look, end this conversation now, avatar is gonna suck dick
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
You know this to be true
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Actually, I think it will be thoughtful and poetic and well-considered. Cameron is a good storyteller, if not a dialogueist. However, what the American audience wants - ain't that.
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Oh fuck it, I can't even continue typing that quote I'm laughing so goddamn hard. Considering Tarantino's crowd is generally composed of film geeks (to catch the many, many film references and hommages in his work) and genre fans, I think there is a massive crossover. Tarantino makes movies about movies; that's the dominant theme in his work.
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All his films have really simple stories. There are no twists on interesting dynamics:
Titanic = fake love story on a real life ship sinking;
Aliens = Soildiers return to planet to find...more aliens;
Terminators = Robots from future travel time to kill a kid;
True Lies = secret agent must stop terrorists;
Abyss (his best) = scientists explore underwater, find aliens;
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They are not the same.
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the giant bird in the bamboo chase scene in 10,000 B.C. which isn't necessarily a bad thing as that sequence was the only part of 10K B.C. that I liked.
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I didn't say he was an original storyteller. What I meant is exactly what you said. Storytellers are people who take traditional myths and ideas and put them across in a way that engages the audience through the act of storytelling. There are only so many basic dynamics to switch around this way and that. I don't find dynamic twists and turns to make always for good storytelling - sometimes they are alienating and come off as gimmicky. A good storyteller can make Jack and Jill an engaging and thrilling tale. That's my POINT. Cameron is an expert storyteller in that he can take those familiar themes and engage the audience.
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Nov 28, 2009 9:03:38 PM CST
OK then, tell me...what's the "story" to Terminator 2?
by linguo_is_dead
Because I'd REALLY like to know. (and don't say the worries of technology taking over...bleh)
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your endurance in watching such a shitty sequel
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Anyone can generalize the plot of a movie in a few words and call it unoriginal. You're gleaning over tons of shit that actually happens in these movies. What is the story of Terminator 2?! The obvious parts, Skynet sends a more advanced terminator back in time, John Connor counters by sending his own reprogrammed terminator. Sarah Connor must overcome her trust issues, and also finally really bond with her son. Miles Dyson takes responsibility for fucking humanity over accidentally. The Terminator itself learns about humanity. Storytelling is in the details.
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. . . from Perez Hilton of all places, about Stephen King writing a sequel to The Shining. I guess its about Danny, 40 years later. Any truth to that? Pretty sure I never saw a mention of it here.
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it was cool
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King is thinking about writing the sequel, but said that there is no guarantee that he will actually do it. He is enamored with the supposed title: "Dr. Sleep".
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Well, there's really no story. They try to prevent the war from happening, but greedy studio asshats take over and milk it for 10 movies.
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Cameron's movies HAVE NO DEPTH!!! Nor does he care. Terminator's ABOUT Arnold blowing shit up...Titanic's ABOUT the SHIP sinking...and AVATAR appears to be about jungle battles. Nobodies gonna give a shit about Worthington's character or the Na'vi, just like nobody left T2 "caring" for John Connor (hell, I wish that annoying little shit got liquid-stabbed).
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If anyone says otherwise they are a camel fucking, shit eating troll with the braincell of a retarded newt.
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Any other movie would be a success and giant blockbuster at 200 million but Avatar is going to be considered a massive failure. Funny how this talkback started blasting Star Trek when, you know, Avatar would have to be very lucky to hit 257 million.
Again - If 20th Century Fox had any faith in Avatar as well, it wouldn't be opening a guaranteed 150+ million movie a week later with Alvin 2, and also facing down an anticipated Sherlock Holmes movie that is aiming for the EXACT same audience as Avatar.
Anyone mentioning Titanic doesn't know a damn thing about why Titanic was such a success. Titanic opened small but had the best repeat business of all time, young women seeing it 20-30 times. It also stayed in theatres for nine months. You will never see a box office perfomance like that again. Avatar's audience is action sci-fi fans and internet geeks. Women will not be showing up for it in large numbers. Tracking is showing far more interest in the next week's movies. The movie is near 3 hours long.
200 Million is certainly not a guarantee. It's going to have to be incredible just to get to Terminator numbers.
James Cameron's name hasn't meant anything in a decade. Coming off of Terminator he couldn't even get Abyss into profitability.
If I had to bet, my money is on flop. Shelve this next to the overpriced Zemeckis Mo-Cap stuff, and hang up the "3D is the wave of the future!" banner. -
especially "deep throat"
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King King did VERY well in theaters. It made up to 300 mil. Not huge, but not a flop.
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If you can't see you can't appreciate. Terminator had depth, it was about a man's love of a woman he had not even met yet, that made him travel back in time to meet. Yeah, so maybe it was his dick getting hard and not enough pussy in the future, but whatever works. That was depth.
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Nov 28, 2009 9:32:54 PM CST
King Kong sucked Triceratops Testes
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
And anyone who disagrees with that is a camel fucking shit eating troll.
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Nov 28, 2009 9:34:05 PM CST
Linguo - Again, For the First Time, for the Last Time
by thusspakespymunk
As I said, the point of a storyteller is to take the most basic components of the idea of what a "story" is and make it compelling to the viewer/listener/reader/etc. Cameron has always excelled at making his stories compelling and engaging to the viewer. THAT is why he is a good storyteller. Did I say the stories were the most original ever? Or the best? No. But he is a good TELLER of STORIES. He TELLS THE STORIES WELL.
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Nov 28, 2009 9:36:17 PM CST
And Cameron don't put no homo vampires in his stories either
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Or people who love homo vampires
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That was the weak! You should rewatch that movie...canon flawed, yours is.
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I think you have ocular problems dude. If anything, Cameron got the facial emotes down solid. Looks damn good.
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Action setpieces DO NOT equal compelling drama. Neither do cliche characters. There is nothing compelling about his films beyond the bang, bang...kaboom!
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Nov 28, 2009 9:42:44 PM CST
Yeah tradeskilz...they're so good that the trailers never featur
by linguo_is_dead
Laughing, this poster is.
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Just which post of mine are you referring too bubbie?
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In Term 1, the guy doesn't know he's the father of John Connor and that he got together with his mother. It's John that sends him knowing that. He doesn't go back "knowing" he loved her.
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someone must have been banned.
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Not hardly - or his movies would JUST be action. Only about a fifth of TITANIC is boom-boom and it's still a movie girls went to see over and over again. Why? He told a story the girls wanted to hear.
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I never said he knew he was Connors daddy numbnutz. I said his dick got hard after Connor gave him a pic of Sarah and he fell in love with that ancient pussy! Learn to read asswipe before trying to hang with the big boys.
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Pixar has made a mint doing that
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too cool!!!!!!!!!!
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Ha, that's funny. Almost as funny as accidently putting a space in one's screen name when they first sign up.
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Really? A space in my Nick? I mean, not even addressing the fact that you totally got pwned about what I said was the motivation in Term 1, because of you poor reading comprehension skills, so your best response is 'neener neener you got a space in your name'? Really?
Well bubbie, for your info, it is a function of the registration process not an accidental space that causes the space in the name.
This is how it reads on my screen: Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
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You're a little tallie-wacker, eh? Bobs your uncle and all that. Bangers and mash. Pip, pip, cheerio.
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that's what makes it funny.
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Your trying too hard.
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Nov 28, 2009 10:18:25 PM CST
Hey there's a space in my name for some reason
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
And I didn't put a space! But when I click my comment my name doesn't have a space anymore...hmmm stupid site.
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what's your take on the Cameron issue...if you even know what's being discussed?
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That's too bad.
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sucks dick
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I'm dying to see it now. Why? Backlash against you. I realized nothing could live down to the negative hype and in fact the action looks like it could kick ass. It won't be mindblowing but your fixation on it as the worst looking film ever made made me decide to be more positive on it!
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Let the backlash against the backlash begin...NOW!
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I enjoy Cameron's movies and I admire his achievements. He's a strong action director who gets very good performances from the actors in spite of, sometimes, workmanlike dialogue. Part of the appeal is his well staged and edited action scenes and his understanding of both dramatic tension and dramatic irony. He has brilliant, up-the-ante final acts in his movies; there's great craftsmanship in how he ratchets the stakes for his characters to the highest level by being suspenseful and not resorting to cheap, contrived plot points.Also, his characters have understandable motives; each character arc compliments the themes and builds upon the last scene. Cameron's characters are drawn pretty quickly using a smart, visual shorthand and he's deft in creating emotional dilemmas that are broad enough for a wide audience, but not simplistic. Remember: action films are about people thrust into an emotional crisis while facing a series of life-threatening disasters. And, Cameron is BRILLIANT when putting his characters in jeopardy.The thing about a good action movie is that while the writer still has to give insight into the characters, they have to doll out characterization throughout the entire movie so it doesn't kill the momentum and pace. That's where Cameron is at his best.So, saying that his characters 'aren't deep' is irrelevant. That's not the 'goal' of an action movie. "Midnight Cowboy" has deep characters, but you're not gonna see Jon Voight burst into fists of fury on top of Dustin Hoffman.
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Highly Informative one here:
tinyurl.com/yl9zw65
Another kid-friendly one here:
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Sniff. If AICN hates a movie, I know I'm going to love the shit out of it. I want my Avatar book and soundtrack, and video game, and bath towel.
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What I really need is an "Avatar" reboot.
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R.I.P.
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set on not giving us any information about the 3rd batman movie
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all over the net. I'm fairly sure that's a pretty poor judge of hype since internet assholes were creaming their pants over Snakes on a Plane. But I have my doubts that this film will succeed. I'm hyped for it though, looks like a very enjoyable experience overall.
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god damn Zoe Saldana's voice is fucking annoying. And also I hope Jake puts on some damn clothes.
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I suspect it's because when people first heard of a movie called AVATAR coming from James Cameron they thought it might look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryH1TB4gEUY
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Seriously? That shit was some lame weeaboo CG porn.
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—maybe I suffer from synesthesia?
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but Zoe's voice in Avatar (judging by that clip) is irritating fake ass aboriginal accent.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MAYrF1PDks
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I'm saying what the fanboys out there thought when they heard James Cameron was making AVATAR. If I could photoshop and do PowerPoint I'd do a video of Comic Book Guy with his comptuter screen saying "JAMES CAMERON ANNOUNCES NEW FILM 'AVATAR'" and then show a thought balloon in his daydreams of DEAD FANTASY. "Hmmm - this 'Avatar' film will be the best _EEEEEHHHHVER_!" And then he sees the reality and goes "OH NOES!"
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Nov 29, 2009 12:52:22 AM CST
We Thought We Would Get This in the First Trailer ...
by thusspakespymunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DZ6NYPPoQc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH1hD3g8AwM
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If you, personally, have not seen the entire film from beginning to end then just shut the fuck up! Gaaaaaah!
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Do you deny it's true of the trailers?
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I'm going to go see it. I'm just saying, people thought A and got B and now they're pissy. I've made an agreement with someone to go see it if they go see NEW MOON. The stipulation is both of us must be open-minded. I am going to do it. I hope the other party does too. But my opinion on pre-trailer expectations being A and the reality being B stands.
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What I think is that no film deserves, warrants or needs this amount of "talk" before anybody has even seen it. It's a product of the time we live in and it's annoying as hell. I just don't care what anybody, and I mean ANYBODY has to say about it anymore unless they've seen the entire damn film... maybe twice! It's just endless geek circle-jerking and everything that gets said now has been said 1000 times before on these very taklbacks. 10,000 times before if all the movie sites are accounted for. I'm not dissing or supporting any one person or any one opinion. I'm just done with ALL of them. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up, take a fucking chill-pill and try to remember what it was like to go into a movie with an open mind already. So many people have ruined this movie for themselves and they don't even realize it. There is a vast difference between discussing movie news and beating a dead fucking horse until your stick is a pile of splinters.
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I think the idea is that a lot of people on Talkbacks are very much insecure, and afraid of being fooled by anyone. Since Hollywood is a dream factory, as it were, and is in the business of fooling you, I think it attracts insecure people who like to take the simple "rules" of Hollywood and prove they are "too smart" to be fooled. I'm certainly guilty of this on one level or another. I routinely will castigate a movie just because I feel like it tricked me or tried to trick me. I hate being fooled. So, as a result, I've been trying to chill out about that way of thinking in the realization that it's my own insecurities that fuel it often.
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It was fun promoting BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, the BBC's funniest tv show, in this Talkback.
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I bet that pretty boy and the hot but dumb as rocks chick win.
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— by well produced trailers that promise one thing and deliver something else (I'm looking at YOU "Van Helsing"), but the problem is there is so much noise and 'trendy snark' that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the actual movie. Many trolls are like lousy comedians; lacking in comic timing, lacking in basic observational skills that their comments become irksome. To read or watch their 'critiques' is to be molested by a boorish, insipid vampire, sucking the energy and interest in modern discussion. It's pillow-talk for jackanapes; a sloth-like mental process of retardation and cynical hipster bullshit. Especially for a movie that hasn't been released by a director with a solid track record of entertaining his audience.The rule of the day seems to be—take as many cheap shots as possible and hold onto the contrarian or cynical p.o.v. because that will give you credibility among the cretins and simpletons. Snark is the laziest form of social observation; it doesn't take wit, it doesn't take perceptiveness, only the herd mentality of making cynical jokes and a desire to smother the enjoyment of others. It's selfish and petulant children crying for attention ("Look! I made a funny!") without insight or qualification.Attention contrarians—George Carlin or Richard Pryor, you ain't.
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THANK YOU! And apologies to all for my sudden outburst of expletives. It's not my normal style, but the snark and cynical hipster bullshit finally sent me over the edge.
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When I hit out, I try very hard to be at least humorous. And it's never for shock value. I honestly usually feel like I'm teaching some people to open their eyes.
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You people are dissing the work of Stan Winston? Nice going boneheads.
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the same ridiculous screeds against the movie. Your asking questions (some that seem absurd, but still valid from your p.o.v.) and that can at least build a dialogue. I'm talking about certain unnamed websites, the stupidity of filling up talkbacks with one-line drivel that goes nowhere and does nothing. Some of the idiocy, like people hiding under fake names from other sites and promulgating the same uninformed opinion ("The CGI looks like shit!" "This film has no story!" "Transformers 2 is a better movie than 'Avatar'!") for a movie that hasn't even locked picture yet, puts the "S" in stupid.
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You get it man.
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I couldn't believe it when I found out during the summer when Stan Winston worked on Avatar,yet these same people who salivated over him when he died, diss the man for his work on Avatar?!! FOR SHAME!!!
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Speaking of which, are you perchance one of HEADGEEK's (aka Harry's) user ID avatars? .He's done this in the past, more agreeably with Chicken George VII (routinely hilarious with his impassioned ALLCAPS rants) and Pisso The Clown (Rocco humbly lays golden wreath upon Pisso's grave; unzips and takes a whizz). The only reason a worthless troll like yourself can survive here is if you, in some petty &/or twisted way, manage to propel any talkback onward (as opposed to forward)... with management approval.Do tell.
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Un, WTF? Harry liked Ultraviolet. Me, I thought it was a shit movie.
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You didn't mention Batman at all in your post. You're slipping.
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Seriously, SETI should stop concerning themselves with the stars, and turn their attention to AICN talkbacks. Get a clue, you fucking teenagers.
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Is you the HEADGEEK user ID avatar, or is you ain't? (please excuse my grammatical lapse and the SK Cap Hollister homage; it's late).
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(Glances at clock tick-tocking on the wall; taps gun barrel against boot heel).Anytime you're ready, lockesbrokenleg. Transparency seems to have knocked your bravado factor down to zero.
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was fucking awesome...yep, the Navi look lame..some of the cgi looks cartoony..yep the music sounds like your run of the mill Hollywood shit with choirs howling like lunatics...but if you saw that 4 min clip with the Thanator or whatever its called..that was pretty fucking cool..I'm just gonna go see it and hope the good outweighs the bad...anyone who isn't excited by SOME aspect of this is without doubt an asshole.
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If you're an aussie..you're a deaf fuck..and if you're not an aussie..you're just an ignorant fuck
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you have way too much faith in marketing..yeh sure people are dragged into theatres for all kinds of reasons, but to assume word of mouth has no effect on a film like this is willfully stupid. Plenty of huge budgeted and marketed films have died from awful word of mouth..Waterworld anyone?
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Nov 29, 2009 4:42:02 AM CST
quantize...yeah Waterworld only made over 300 mill
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
worldwide. Thats not counting video and dvd sales/rentals which all combined made a tidy profit. Pick a better example next time instead of what is just some kind of stupid myth.
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Nov 29, 2009 5:03:07 AM CST
You know why you'll probably all pay to see this movie?
by the dark shite
For the same reason I will (& I still haven't forgiven Cameron for Titanic). The fact is,after all the hype & the talk of how much this movie is gonna be a game-changer, how advanced it is, etc etc..the ONLY way to judge it fairly is to see it on the big screen. You can't judge it on DVD or on some shitty torrent site.
You may come out of the cinema feeling thinking you just saw the biggest steaming turd ever, but Cameron will still get your money. You know it's true.
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I was gonna say the only way to do judge a movie of this magnitude & hype & judge it fairly is to pay. So, either way, it's gonna be huge, even if it's just so people can say how shit it is.
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Did anyone actually listen to the James Horner interview that this post corresponds to?
If you had you'd have noticed he sounds just like C3-PO :)
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At certain points I couldn't even tell if he was American or British. I'd never heard him speak before. Bit odd.
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Nov 29, 2009 5:32:58 AM CST
I know why I'm gonna see it...It's James freakin Cameron
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
The Terminator is perfect. Aliens is perfect. The Abyss is flawed magnificence. T2 is a little hokey at times but it truly turned Arnie into a Superstar, rewrote the action books yet again and pushed the envelope in every technical way possible. True Lies showed a man at the top of the action game, every sequence an action classic. Yet it was so crazy he appeared to becoming bored with action. Which brings us to Titanic. I'ts corny and pushes emotional buttons. However it was and is Cinema on a grand scale. You could see every dollar up on screen and it became the blueprint for most hollywood epics from then on. People on here who compare it to Twilight have either never seen the movie or are film-illiterate...
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Either he IS doing a 'Madonna' with his accent or it's a hangover from studying in London.
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Phew, that's a long name!
Paineywoo, just use the word "alledgedly". Lawyers can't touch ya then:-).
Nomore...I would compare Titanic more to Pearl Harbour than something like Twilight. There's no denying the scale & quality, but it's still messing around with history & generally just an exerise in emotional cynicism. That's what I think anyway. I've seen dreadful movies in my time, but I always put those two in my top ten worst. Or should that be bottom ten?
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it bothers me when filmakers use real tragedies for exploitative gain. The photos of Micheal Bay, Bruckheimer and the cast at Pearl Harbor in supposed respectful memorial is a fucking horrifying use of publicity. I also think that Camerons characters were terribly cliched yet the respect he showed to the event itself was there to be seen. The last 50 minutes or so is simply amazing filmmaking. It was his weakest script by far but is far superior to Pearl Harbour. That film was actually offensive.
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and you already know what Avatar will make, dickhead?
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I wouldn't presume anything or make claims that can be refuted by simple fact-checking. I don't even presume that this film will kick my ass. That's called hope.
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Nov 29, 2009 6:21:15 AM CST
I just meant to use an actual example for your arguement
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Like Catwoman, Speed racer(which I love), Poseiden etc....
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No, just fucking owned by everyone in the talkback
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First of all Jaka, we don't care that you don't care. This is a TALKBACK, that's what it's for, TO TALK. Who the hell shows up in a Talkback and tells everyone else to stop talking? Fucking boob! Also, Army of Darkness shits all over everything except Evil Dead 1 and 2, Stargate Universe does indeed suck total AAASSSSS, and Zoe Saldana IS incredibly annoying. She turned Uhura into a petulant brat in Drek Trek, her performance in this has all the gravitas of a pissed off Jamaican waitress who worked at a diner I used to frequent on the Upper East Side, (not to mention that inane warbling noise she makes every time she starts flying around), and I don't even remember her from Pirates 1 or The Terminal, (of course, I haven't seen either of those two gems since they came out). And no one loves Stan Winston more that I do, (I have his "Art of" book, several of his "Creature" action figures and all three "Trakk: Monster Hunter" comics), but you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the character design in Avatar doesn't look completely ridiculous. It's even more of a toy commercial than the SW prequels!
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was in reference to Zoe, not the Jamaican waitress.
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The POS Avatar comes out on schedule but now The Hobbit is totally fucked?!?! THIS SUCKS BIG HAIRY HOBBIT BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why wouldn't people hate this film before seeing it? Fox apparently blew $230-$500 million on the budget for this film with such a weak ass story that has the potential of making people think Whedon-wanna-be Russell T. Davies is a serious scifi writer in comparison. Cameron spouts off that this movie is the future of cinema. He expects us to part with $10 to $20 of our hard earned cash money in this recession just to see sfx that look straight out of Halo 1 upscaled to the big screen. Fuck that. The story is also offensive to the U.S. Marines. Poor 10 foot tall blue Na'vi spear chuckers wasting their natural resources that America could be using to revitalize its future industrial base since Brazil stole all the jobs away from China in the year 2700 AD/CE whatever. And you can project your consciousness into the body of a 10 foot tall spear chucker but you are still paralyzed from the waist down back on Earth? Why not project your consciousness into a human duplicate body that isn't paralyzed and live a normal life on Earth instead of helping to exterminate the Super Andorians? You know, people talk about George Lucas not having a person to tell him "no" to some of his stupid ideas but Cameron has obviously gone off the deep end. Instead of someone at Fox telling him this idea is fucking stupid, they turn over $500 million to him to make this 3D smurf turd. How many other scripts out there belonging to Fox could have been greenlit with that cash?
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When and how did you see Avatar?
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I saw that lame shit at Target the other day. Seriously, this toy line is as dumb as the Dick Tracy toys were; actually dumber because there's no controversy over a Steve the Tramp style action figure amongst the bunch. Maybe with enough proofs of purchase you can send away for special HD DVD editions of *Leonard Part VI* and *Ishtar* from "The Hollywood Bomb Collection". I think I'd rather have *The Garbage Pail Kids - The Movie* on a Divx DVD disc.
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It's called "inference". You can probably see a better work of 3D art at the bottom of your own toilet bowl, especially if you consumed some blue Play-Doh the night before.
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will be a flop, but is it money suitably invested? A $230 mil budget invested in a single, risky film concept, that only makes a meager profit is not as well invested as 4-5 modestly budget films, skillfully crafted, that do extremely well. 1 maybe a colossal flop, but 1-2 might do very well. Look at what they did with District 9's $30 mil budget. What was on screen looked as if it had at least twice that budget. I think that the Neil Blomkampf model of sleek, original, modestly budgeted, getting the most value out of every dollar is the way to go.
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SO, how 'bout that AVATAR? Notice too how nobody - nobody - is talking about this movie outside of sites like this. It's not on tv. It's not on talk shows. It's not even on ATTACK OF THE SHOW or G4 TV. Nowhere. Nobody. Dead silence. Nobody cares.
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without even seeing the fucking movie
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one thing you can be sure about AICN is "if there is hype, there will be backlash" it's as reliable as "if you build it, they will come"
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With AVATAR, it's more like "If you build it, they will shrug or laugh."
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yeah, that's the ticket!
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Terminator, household name brand the studios are gambling on. Overall though, I expect to see an entertaining movie.
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Every single one of you dipshit "haters" were creaming their pants this time last year. Now Cameron is an overrated director and the CGI looks horrible... Reading these Avatar talkbacks is a serious source of comedy. You guys are so butthurt, it's pathetic.
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gave the fucking thing a chance
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that they keep claiming that there is a lot of disappointment about the film,since the trailers were released and that generally the buzz about the movie is negative in the net.
well it seems,that the haters are living in a different universe,since thats not the above case.yes there was an initial disappointment when the first teaser was released,and the general reaction was negative.i know because i was among them,and i did bash cameron about for lowering our expectations.
but after the august's preview and especially after when the first trailer came out,the negative climate changed to a positive. a lot of people who criticized the flaws of the teaser and didnt want to watch the movie since they thought it will become a fiasko,they changed their mind with the trailer,they really liked what they saw.again i was one of them,and i immediately had the impression that a lot of other people shared by renewed enthusiasm about the film.
and i got that impression not only by the talkbacks here,but also in other forums and sites where people were talking about avatar.
and not only that,but i do know for a fact,that a lot of parent ssaid that their kids got very enthusiastic when they saw the trailer,and they want to watch the movie when it will come out.cgi artists who talked about the trailer,they said that they were very impressed with the technology of the film,yes they admit that its not perfect but it was the best cgi then have seen in a movie until now.
so to sum up.in the net,the general buzz about the movie is a very positive.most of the people,a lot of them who dont know much about the movie,are interest in watching it.the kids want to watch it.yes there are people who dont like the trailers,and generally they are not interested to watch,take a notice: they are not interested,they dont say that they think that the movie is terrible thus they are not going to give their money for something so much unworthy.thery are just not interested.but still they are the minority.
so dear haters,please do the fuck leave the generalization alone,and dont speak as representers of the other people's opinion.you dont know a fuck.you just live in your own little private world,and fine for your own reasons you dont like or hate the movie,or whatever,you do the right to do that,but you are fucking liars or even idiots when you proclaim as a fact big statements that the trailer is crap,and the net community didnt like it in its majority,and they dont want to watch the film or the movie critics already trash it in their reviews (!!!). fuck off,express freely your personal opinions but dont dare to speak for the others.capis? -
I wouldn't exactly use G4 as a barometer of interest. The TV Guide Channel still receives better ratings than that channel has since it strangled what was TechTV after Comcast bought that channel and ruined it. But hey, at least they themselves get better ratings than that poor excuse of a channel named "BBC America". Anyway. I'm all about value and Blomkampf did make fantastic use of stretching a dollar. In comparison, Cameron must roll them up and burn hundreds in the fireplace all Lex Luthor style in a personal check against inflation. At least that's what I'm hoping he's doing. Actually, I could respect Rothman if he's doing this as a crazy means of forcing Rupert Murdoch to sell 20th Century Fox in an homage to the suits back at Universal who did the same thing with *Waterworld*. The whole purpose of that film was to let Costner blow the budget up so much that it would force the playa haytas back at Matsushita HQ - that's Panasonic, bitches - to sell the studio, and it worked.
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If your definition of "creaming your pants" is yawning and muttering "meh" then yep, that's what I was doing last year. I was far more interested - back in the day - in seeing *Tank Girl* when that trailer played before *Highlander - The Final Dimension* in the theatres, and I never got 'round to seeing *Tank Girl* [thankfully].
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there I said it
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Interesting, I thought there would of been a backlash by now?
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I was laughing at all the people on here who were insisting this movie was going to be the most intense action hard-r flick from James Cameron ever, featuring photo real aliens that would be indistinguishable from live actors. Um, no. Anyone with a brain could've told you there's no such thing as photo-real CGI. It simply doesn't exist. In fact, with the odd framerates and filters in the trailer, AVATAR's live-action shots often look more fake and phony and CGI than regular movies. So, don't make blanket statements about "everyone."
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of stupidity or trolling? well you decide: ''It's not even on ATTACK OF THE SHOW or G4 TV''
hmmm yes he is right G4 didnt say anything about the movie,but then again:
http://tinyurl.com/ydshbsa
and again:
http://tinyurl.com/yazjs8x
http://tinyurl.com/yksfywr
and fucking again:
http://tinyurl.com/ylxd87q
jesus h christ thus is right.the big mass media and epsecially the biggest of all G4,dont even know that this movie exist,and its a big pity since the film is kept in the dark and the public dont know about it.poor Cameron. :( -
"most of the people,a lot of them who dont know much about the movie,are interest in watching it."I'll agree with you 100 percent that the people who most want to see AVATAR are the ones who don't know anything about it. :)
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... in the fireplace would certainly be more photorealistic than the CGI aliens in AVATAR. I used G4, btw, because it's like the ultimate channel of geek, the people who would MOST want to talk about the movie - and not even they care.
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Then why do you even come to and post on this site? Because you are nothing more than a common troll. A cynical contrarian who shits on everything that people get the least bit excited about. You obviously have some kind of interest in Avatar, as you are posting multiple times in the thread for it's FUCKING SCORE. I know when I, or anyone else I know "yawns and mutters 'meh'" about something, we don't spend an inordinate amount of time talking about it. All it does is make you look like an insufferable prick.
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Not only on screen but also in their tweets. Then again, they do air at 3am which means they have the same audience size as the people who might actually pay matinee price to see this film.
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And what's the circulation on WIRED? Let's see: 703593 according to the 'net. At $9.00 a ticket, that's a little over $6m. So if everyone goes to see AVATAR who read the WIRED article who normally wouldn't, that'll bring the opening weekend up from $30m to $36! ROCK! That's my prediction for the opening weekend, btw.
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concerning the business mechanics of Holywood.how exactly can a big studio announce bankruptcy,because a big budget movie failed at the b.o.? ok they had a lose,but dont they have enough capital from their other successful movies,to continue their business,until they make up for the lose in a some other movie hit in the near future?
take for example Warner Bros ok? lets say that TDK costed 100m and made back 800m.next year they made TDK2 which costs 200m to make,but returns only 10m.its the loss so significant that it might actually lead to the bankruptcy of Warner Bros? what they happened with the 500m that remained after the investment on TDK2? are these money not a capital for the studio,a strong financial source for their future investments? its this thing that i cant understand. -
I'd rather be a prick than a pathetic douche fanboi over some property as lame as this, like you are. What happened? Did your DVD of *Warriors of Virtue* get too scratched up so it won't play anymore in your Lite-On player? I have been a poster on AICN far longer than you have so I'm certainly not a shill from a rival studio trying to talk smack about this film for some extra drachmas; I talk smack about anything lame that receives coverage on AICN. So piss off, piss boi and go back to blowing your virtual James Cameron you probably constructed in Second Life. Wait, you better clone your character first since he's already giving a courtesy reach-around to Jar Jar.
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I post on the AVATAR talkbacks because I have a pet peeve about fanboys and self-delusion. If you want to piss me off, it's easy: all you need to do is be a fanboy and delude yourself about any number of things. "People LOVE STAR TREK NOW! THEY THINK IT'S NORMAL!" "Sci-fi and fantasy are HUGELY popular!" "Geek Cred is finally here!" "No, they're not laughing AT nerds now - we're suddenly COOL!" "People accept animation as legitimate art now!" "Comic books have become part of the mainstream!" "Everyone will go see AVATAR 'cuz now SCI-FI is legit, dawg!" "Sam Worthington is the next big Hollywood hunk!" "People will see AVATAR as a world-changing event and not just a cartoon no different from THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG!" And ALL of those delusions are present with anyone who thinks AVATAR won't fall flat on its face. Dude, it's gonna make less than $50m opening week, tank 60 percent the next and disappear. I think it'll be lucky to pull $100m.
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... I think we're talking WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE numbers. Total box-office fail.
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will keep the info of themselves.they wont share it with anybody else,(their kids,wife,parents,friends,)they cant since they live in their basements.damn.
btw u do know that that the trailer got the fifth place of the most downloaded trailer of all time in yahoo.but i guess thats not a very good barometer of interest,since you know TF1 was a failure although it got the first place of the most downloading trailer ever.double damn.
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I've told people before, if you want to know how badly AVATAR is going to do, just go out to the mall and ask 100 random people if they've even heard of AVATAR and of those who have ask them if they intend to see it opening weekend. The numbers would make Fox execs shit themselves if they weren't deluded into thinking it's going to be carried by Cameron's name. You can already predict the articles in magazines and trades five years from now: "Will Cameron's 'BattleAngel' Redeem Him?" - The Director Takes On His Most Important Role, Saving His Own Career After the Disastrous 'Avatar'
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Let's say that everyone who reads WIRED tells FIVE people about the movie, ALL of whom go see the flick. Wow, that's an additional $30m on top of the $6.5! $36m more will go into AVATAR'S coffers. So that's a $60m opening! WOW! Um, fail - for a $500m budget on film/advertising. It needs to have one of those NEW MOON openings of $142m before it becomes considered a "hit." And with the expected 60 percent drop as people talk about the dumb-assery of cartoon blue ballerinas (Americans are dipshits - they know NOTHING about ANYTHING, can't even recite their own names and phone numbers when prompted btw) ...
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I dunno, Ominus. Hollywood practices its own crooked accounting that isn't tolerated in any other industry. They do mask their profits quite well but 20th Century Fox hasn't exactly been doing great the past couple of years. None of the studios have that cushion of DVD sales that have been keeping them profitable for the past decade. The HD DVD/Blu-ray format war really did a number on them all [thanks Microsoft douchebags] so it'll be another year before Blu-ray sales bring back some cash to them. I guess 20th Century can still limp along and expect to receive some extra help from other parts of NewsCorp but at some point that'll dry up. The problem with "risk" is why Warner Bros. has been shifting much of their film financing to outside groups like Village Roadshow and Legendary Pictures, although I suspect that Legendary may be backed by actual Hollywood execs - including some at WB Pictures - who choose to have Legendary finance their guaranteed hits so they can suck up more of the back end profits before it heads to WB and then has to be parceled out to the rest of Time Warner and then to Time Warner shareholders. But that's a theory of mine and I do not claim it to be fact. NewsCorp stock is already in the tank and if a lot of people short it expecting *Avatar* to tank opening weekend, that stock is going to crash from $13 a share to $3 on Monday. If that causes NewsCorp to become a takeover target - just as Rupert Murdoch tried to take over Warner Communications following their problems with Atari circa 1983/1984 - the entertainment division could be put up for sale.
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schmucks who keep blindly defending a film they haven't seen feel they're somehow much more "in touch with reality" then people who bash a film they haven't seen? How many defenders have read the scriptment? Because I have, and it's awful, (although still better than the actual film, evidently). We've had trailers, "making of's", interviews, spoilers, Avatar Day...there's more than enough out there now for people to decide how they feel about the film. Just because YOU can't figure out what a film will be like at this point, doesn't mean that everyone is as equally clueless!
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fucking thing.that he is not worried about the haters,he is sure those bastards will be at the movies premiere day.he is worried only about the people who dont know anything about the movie,thus they are not going to be there on opening day.and he is right.
which essentially means that the movie,even if it fails,that doesnt mean a shit about its quality,common sense says that.but u fuckers ,u will only have that argument to support your hate against the movie and Cameron,because even now,deep in your rotten heart,u do know that the movie is going to be awesome.so if the movie fails,u can brag about being right,that the movie stinks,and your ego will get a satisfaction,since you can throw the idiotic "boxoffice failure argument",in the faces of the supporters.the movie failed because its bad,and u knew it from the start.bravo,Aristotle would be proud of you.
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First of all, I have been posting infrequently on this site since 1999, so I doubt you have been here longer than me. Also, who the fuck cares who's been here longer? What, are we gonna compare dick sizes next? I am not a "fanboi" and I have not attached my ego to Avatar, but I think it looks impressive. Your little hissy-fit confirms my suspicions that I pointed out early.
And ThusSpake, those are pretty bold predictions. If Avatar surpasses those numbers, will you be willing to show up here on December 20th and admit you were wrong? If Avatar does open with those numbers, maybe you should look into getting a job as an analyst. -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxRQzx9Wmi8&feature=player_embedded
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do u agree or not,that in the cinema business,usually word of mouth is the best advertisement for the quality of a film,and the most essential factor for the success or demise of it?
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Punctuation, capital letters, and spaces. between. sentences. would be helpful! BTW, Aristotle would tell us to make our deductions based on the evidence on hand, which we have. He wouldn't say, "wait and see" which is the apologist's manta: I've heard that before AVP-R, KoCS, Star Trek '09, and now this, as so far, the apologists don't have the best track record...
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As a big fan of NEW MOON and TWILIGHT in general (mock me if you want, it makes no difference), I made a deal with an AVATAR fan. I said that if he would go see NEW MOON with a purely open mind, then I would judge AVATAR the same way. So, James Cameron is getting my money. And I swear honestly by every forthright fiber of my being that I will review it in a way that is totally objective. I can do that - compartmentalize myself so that my preconceptions will be just those, and won't color my view when I sit down in the theater. I can shut down parts of my thought process and activate others. Just a skill. Some people can do it and others can't. If you can't, don't feel bad. I get lost at the mall thanks to my autism. But the thing is, despite all my wisecracks on here, I am going to view AVATAR honestly and review it with equal honesty. So, think of the fact that no matter WHAT I say on here, I'm going to see it (I wasn't planning to before I made the promise). And what I say after might be totally different than what I say now. But for now, it looks like a dumb-ass CGI HALO opening sequence upscaled to theaters with Thundersmurfs using magical fairy powers to protect them from Bad White People.
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Personally, I thought Cameron's scriptment for *Spider-Man* also sucked. His idea for organic web shooters was because he thought it improbable for a genius teenager to create web fluid because the schmucks at 3M haven't done so yet. That totally ignores the fact that a 13 year old genius created the television set and Thomas Edison didn't [nor did he steal it from any other brilliant middle aged scientist]. The only decent idea from that scriptment - in my opinion - was the idea that every ethnic group in New York City tried claiming Spidey as their own thanks to him wearing a mask.
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Make a public service and use the trailers, documentaries, videos, script, etc, etc, to write and submit your review already.
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on 3d is astounding.as i said in another talkback,at some point during the chase,i duck my head to avoid a leaf i thought it was coming to my eye !!!! the movie visually is very impressive,i can bet my life on it,the only thing that remains to see if its of hight quality,is the direction and the story of the movie.
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indeed fa_tass make a detailed review of the movie,since u have all the evidences u need,and post it here.
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Nov 29, 2009 12:34:43 PM CST
Never read the Spidey treatment, but haven't heard
by fa_tass_dinomolester
good things. Although, reaction to the Raimi films seems to be incredibly mixed as well. drompter, one could if one wanted to. What do you think will be in the film that we don't know about, especially after the original scriptment's been online since, what? 2004?
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Been here since 97. Thanks for playing. And stop asking to see my cock, thank you very much. I have not attached my ego to this project. I think it will fail but I will never bet against the stupidity of crowds and the possibility that this film may break even. However, it sure seems like there was more enthusiasm for *Serenity* prior to its release than this film. As for this film having epic effects, no, I disagree quite passionately. It looks like a bad video game and the live action actors in the mecha suits appears to be some of the worst green screening this side of SyFy's *Sanctuary*. And yes, I think some people want to hype this film hoping it'll become a film franchise that they can focus on in place of the disappointment they have felt from the Star Wars Prequels and The Matrix sequels. Sad pandas they are.
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shits and giggles. Then after the film comes out, we can see how close to/off the mark I was just by going by the SCRIPT! And 25 minutes of footage. and the trailer, character vids, ETC. I actually did one for AVP-R, and liked the movie BEFORE I saw it, unfortunately.
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... when people talk about how much of a "game-changer" AVATAR is, how revolutionary the technology in AVATAR is, they just sound like three-year-olds who think they're the first one to come up with the "Fanky Foodle" joke.Cameron didn't even reinvent the wheel. He invented a multi-billion-dollar device that shows you a FAKE PICTURE of AN IMAGINARY WHEEL. Think about it.
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This movie is so anticipated that every person I ever talk to has never heard about it. The trailer looks like Fern Gully. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised, but nothing I've seen so far leads me to believe this film will be great and I honestly don't know anyone who has heard of it, let alone is looking forward to it. So how is this the most anticipated film of the century?
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at least it will be interesting.and i would suggest to even read the original script before you write it.thats an evidence too.so start.
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I never really liked Aliens VS Predator 2, I'm not that much of an asshole!!!
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That was the worst film of all time? It was so terrible that not a single film since has come close to the freeway action sequence. The Matrix sequels did get buried in exposition, but they weren't terrible. They just fell short of expectations.Batman and Robin is terrible. Then again, talkbacks are filled with idiots, trolls, and people incapable of forming a sentence without extreme hyperbole.
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because it will remind to the audience,how it was in the old times,to make a great movie combining story,characters,and spectale.
and that turds like TF2,T4 and ST,are not good cinema.mindless fun might be an acceptable entertainment,but u can not use it as an argument for the low quality of a movie.its an excuse not an argument.
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I saw a preview for AVATAR in 3D before A CHRISTMAS CAROL, which really crystalized a lot of my dislike for what I've seen so far from AVATAR. While I was more impressed with the 2nd trailer (the one I saw theater-side) than the first one (which I saw in crummy capture on YOUTUBE), the fact remains that AVATAR played very much like one of those 1960s "COMIN ATCHA!" 3D flicks - lots of wasted space with things flying at my face, circling the characters to create the illusion of 3D movement, etc.A CHRISTMAS CAROL, meanwhile, used 3D to create ... elements of the real world, subtly. Snowfall (some of the best 3D I've ever seen was the effect of snow falling on my face in this movie that was so real to my senses my body actually started to shiver a little bit like it was experiencing cold - I kid you not). It used 3D for perspective. For environment. But most of all, it used the 3D for the most part to represent real things that exist in the real world. The difference was that they were generated by a computer and were just representations, but they were representations of things that exist - buildings, signs, coins, chains, etc. My brain could relate to them, and so the 3D impressed. A friend of mine who says 3D never works on her said that it was the first time she had seen a 3D movie where she could see things in 3D. I'm surprised more critics haven't remarked how strong the CHRISTMAS CAROL 3D is, because I'm an opponent of theatrical 3D (it ruins storytelling, imo, because filmmakers have yet to learn restraint with it - there's always some dumbass scene of stuff flying at your face) and it impressed me. As Rober Ebert astutely pointed out, video games are not art, and AVATAR looks on-course to be a pure video-game of a movie, only a non-interactive video game. Yay.
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when TF2,ST and 2012 become huge hits,then its futile to persuade Holywood to focus more on movies with better content.fuck it.
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SHUT UP! lol Seriously. Verbal wank off. Did you really not understand what the attempted point was last night? You're still here spewing nonsense about a movie you haven't seen. All of you. JUST. SHUT. UP! until you've seen the damn movie.
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That's 8 days before opening in US. Assuming that Avatar is a mayor letdown, one would think that such move is risky, because since user reviews will undoubtly flood fan sites, Fox execs wouldn't allow all kinds of bashing to spread through the web. They have to be confident that Avatar will deliver if they going ahead with the premiere, specially considering the cost of the movie. Take New Moon and Transformers 2 for example. You didn't read reviews for those movies before release because the respective studios knew they were shit and didn't want to afford not having big BO opening because of bad word of mouth. The fact that Avatar is having a big premiere Dec 10 will assure that at least the thing is a crowd pleaser to say the least.
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So do a lot of other people. So wtf kind of point is that?! I swear I'm going to make a t-shirt that says "Looks like Fern Gully!" to wear when I go see this movie.
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Nov 29, 2009 1:01:01 PM CST
Videogames aren't 'art'? What about PONG motherfucker!
by zombieheathledger
That shit was dada minimaism at it's best, total metaphor for the Sysiphean struggle of life. We're all just two little lines batting a digital dot back and forth endlessly across a screen trying to score points, bitches.
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concerning videogames as being art.wait.i agree that videogames are not agree,but i dont agree with Ebert's arguments,they are fucking unsupported.i suggest to read Kojima's opinion about that matter,he does make very strong points why videogames are not art.and his arguments are also very valid for the mainstream cinema.
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That only works if people pay attention to the story. As it is, what I am seeing and hearing is that people in the general public are looking at this and saying "Aw, fuck, it's a cartoon like BATTLE FOR TERRA or DELGO or AETHUR AND THE INVISIBLES. Pass." What is happening is that people aren't seeing the mixture of live/CG. You can't make a technological leap of storytelling if the people you're telling don't REALIZE it's any different from the poor technology. And that's what's hapepning. "It's a cartoon? Pass." It's not something that's registering in their brains, the talk of "emotion capture" and stuff. It's lost on people. There's no "wow" factor to it because they're incapable of seeing ANY difference between THIS CGI animation over here and THAT CGI animation in AVATAR. To them it's "computer animated, so = cartoon." They are not distinguishing this any different from BEOWULF or POLAR EXPRESS. Honestly, if you were to show POLAR EXPRESS, DELO and AVATAR to these people, schots of all 3, and ask them if they thought the same technology was used for all 3, they'd almost universally say yes, I think. Because there's "real" and "computer" and "cartoon" (meaning hand-drawn animation) and that's as far as their brains will process it. They don't have that "paradigm" or whatever we do to recognize good/bad CG. It's all just CG. Like, ever had a girlfriend who knew nothing about football? And all the football teams looked the same? Do you think that they can recognize the skill of individual players or teams? No - it's all just football. And that's what's hapepning with AVATAR. People are seeing it and it's "JUST" CG, if they even know it's not hand-drawn. Bottom line is that you can't impress someone if they don't know they're seeing anything impressive, even on a subconscious level. And to them, there's ZERO difference between ARTHUTR AND THE INVISIBLES and AVATAR. They see this movie AVATAR in the same way they see this trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBiN6QYK1vUIn fact, the plot of both movies is pretty much identical, "Bad men are coming to bulldoze our land! We have to stop them! So I'll turn into a CGI pixie creature and SAVE THE WORLD!" Uh-huh.
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be in Japan.Japs dig cat-like chicks and mechs.Cameron just made his first mistake.
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I fucking hate how all movie composers sound the same these days and don't really approach scoring thematically.. Horner echoed my sentiments to a T.
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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
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What's the spread on someone at the London premiere waiting until the first shot of a Na'Avi is onscreen and then shouting "Blobby Blobby Blobby!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h37KQu64RY4
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I'd love to see someone out there take the dialogue/sounds from the two AVATAR trailers and mix them over the ARTHUR AND THE INVISIBLES trailer, proving it's the same plot.
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Nov 29, 2009 1:16:15 PM CST
I'm not afraid to blaspheme in the Church Of Cameron...
by burnhollywood
I didn't see what all the fuss about TERMINATOR: SALVATION was about. It seemed a fairly solid--if open ended--entry in the ongoing series. Clearly, the story was a bridge segment leading into the more familiar "Future War" scenario briefly depicted in Cameron's films, but this time with nearly indestructible T-800s.
I suppose amongst fanboys there's this pathetic masturbatory longing for Cameron to return to the TERMINATOR series...get over it. He actually concluded the story with TERMINATOR 2...and unlike Lucas, he doesn't seem to want to involve himself in furthering a story with a foregone conclusion (any future war scenarios that would inevitably loop around to Reese travelling back to 1984). The closest he came was T2 3D, which was actually a vehicle for some new FX technology he was pimping. Maybe if you let this shit go, SALVATION might have been a tad more entertaining...I certainly dug it better than that STAR TREK shit. -
blobby blobby
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No, I'm American. Native American to be precise. But I'm something of a Britohpile for all their useless fad crap. And Irn-Bru is the best soda EVER. And honestly, when I heard the premiere was in London my first thought was of Mr. Blobby heckles, even though Blobby is totally over ... over there.
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All of what you posted to ominus might be true, but you are forgetting a few things. One: This is Cameron who has a rep for doing very entertaining movies, so some people will go even though it looks like a cartoon. Two, if the movie is good - even if it looks like a cartoon, word of mouth will propel newer and repeat business. So, even if it aint a game changer, if it is entertaining enough, it will do big business. It is guaranteed to open huge. Just the geek factor alone will ensure that the opening is gigantic. If the movie is any good and has legs wont be known until the second week.
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it didnt have soul,or as i call it,it didnt make you 'click'.at least Mostow knew what he making,a cheesy self-parody rather a serious scifi action-drama,and he made a decent job with that.it was not a T movie,but as a comedy deconstructing Arnie's iconic character into a ridiculous clown,was oscar worthy.MCG on the other hand,just took his paycheck,took a scrip probably written by fans of the franchise,while taking a shit in the toilet,added some cool (i didnt like them) action scenes and call it for a today.your usual shake-n-make movie from Holywood.
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What you don't understand is that for the most part Americans hate "cartoons." They fucking HATE them.I'd heard this in theory, but it never really hit home how fucking stupid American audiences could get until I was standing outside a theater the day THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA - THE LION THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE (yeah, I went there on the title!) was out, and there was a couple sort of like the Two A-Holes from SNL standing outside the theater, only the guy had a red leather jacket with fringe and a stubbly Major Phoenix beard a la MWGAFORCE and the chick was pregnant. They were trying to decide what movie to see and the guy was like "Baybe, hey babe, babe - ... whaddyawanna see?" Anyway, they were fiddling with different movies, unsure, and then this woman walked out of a previous showing. The woman was reasonably well-dressed and seemed like an upscale person, but she was crying. She had tears flowing out of her eyes. She overheard the couple talking and said "You should go see NARNIA. It's ... beautiful, just a wonderful movie." Now, forget what you think or don't think about NARNIA. That's not really the point of this story. The guy says "but ... it's a fuckin' cartoon, right?" And she says "No, it's live actors with computer-generated animals." And the guy says 'Yeah, but the animals talk and shit, right?" She seems puzzled but says "Oh, yes, yes ... it's just beatutiful, though, such a beautiful story, like the story of Jesus and-" and the guy waves a hand, lifts his head, so he's looking down his ugly nose at her and says imperiously "YRAH? Well, _if animals talk it's A FUCKING CARTOON!_ Fuck!" And then he shakes his head like the woman is an idiot. She looks at me, I shrug, saying "I'm going to see it" and the guy says "Well, you two go enjoy your fucking cartoon. Noooooo thanks!" They then bought tickets to KING KONG, and as they were walking in I was getting my tickets and I said "Just so you know, man? KING KONG is a cartoon, too, 'cuz it's the same as NARNIA." And the guy stops, shakes his head and says "KING KONG talks in this one?" I said "Maybe. You'll have to wait 'til the end to find out.' I enjoyed fucking ruining the whole film for him as he bitterly waited for some moment when Kong would speak. Fuck him.But the point, I realized later, was that the guy I'm talking about wasn't an abberation. He is, rather, the typical American moviegoer, who is a hateful and vicious piece of shit who has no brain, no thought, no concept of art of film or anything - just an eating, fucking, sleeping, shitting machine going thorugh his life with no point, no purpose and no mind, scowling and snarling and digging and dumping all day long. And those people will not be charmed by AVATAR. Welcome to the future, motherfuckers.
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"fanky foodle" is your dick, 'thats' why it is a joke. signed: your friend
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Cause every movie they make earns a camel shitload of money, and that aint just from the kiddies. Nah, see I think if the movie is good - which none of us know at this point, then it will get word of mouth business. And it will then convince peeps who might have been reluctant to see it to give it a shot. Regardless, it will have a monster opening, and the naysayers will be quiet for the first week. It will be the second week, when it goes up against RDJ Holmes that will tell the tale.
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how people already react to the trailers.u r absolutely right,i agree completely with that.
in another talkback, i said the exact thing: that my big concern about Avatar,is that the general audience might see this movie as a cartoonish ala pixar flick for kids,and not as a more serious and intelligent film for a more mature audience.and that can essentially hurt the movie's success.
BUT thats why i mentioned word of mouth in my earlier post.i do consider an important factor for the success of the movie.the people who already know what Avatar is about,they will go and watch it,and if they like it,they will create an initial enthusiasm will be transfered to the other people who have the wrong impression of the movie and didnt intend to watch,and all this leads to a growing buzz which boosts the ticket sales and the movie is saved.
So what i believe it will happen with Avatar's box office route,is this: Avatar will have a good start in the first week,but very below from the studios initial expectations.but IF,IF,the word of mouth (internet and IRL) is very strong,and the response from the pro and non-pro movie sites very enthusiastic,then the movie will start gaining a lot of popularity,and after the second weekend,its ticket sales will improve very much.the movie will be a big hit,not the hit the studio wanted,but it wont be considered a failure as Godzilla or King Kong,and we will get a sequel.
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Reloaded was great! The problem with Revolutions is that it's basically Reloaded's ending. Frankly if the bros just went with trimming down the films and making it into one film with 3 hours of runtime, it'd be even more awesome and platable to all! The way it is is fine and it had even more retarded expectations to live up to than even Avatar!Anyway, here's more Avatar things. Spoilers HO!NFL thingy
tinyurl.com/ykox546New TV Spots
tinyurl.com/yhg7td9
tinyurl.com/yjun3fy
Neytiri featurette
tinyurl.com/yg6booa
Jake Featurette
tinyurl.com/ylrvxue
Augustine Featurette
tinyurl.com/yfrehe4
Trudy Featurette
tinyurl.com/yfd2ckt
Selfridge Featurette
tinyurl.com/ygjdqpo
AMP Suits
tinyurl.com/yzpc63r
Samson
tinyurl.com/ykekr37
Scorpion
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Thanator
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Banshee
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come on,mickey mouse? bugs bunny? hana-barbera? 80s golden age of tv cartoons? Roger Rambit? bob squarepants? and ofc Pixar.come on now,cartoons are an important part of American culture since their first birth.
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thank u 4 all the links, much appreciated. signed: your friend
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Americans DO hate cartoons, now. New ones. Nostalgia gets into the glimmering life-seed in their brains, but new ideas are anathema. And notice how all the remakes of old cartoons are done in CG? And the reason is because traditional animation is dead in the US. But as for Pixar and those CG flicks, parents don't like them. They drag their kids. And then want to sound hip so they say how they like them to other animation fans. Go ask Mr. "Fuck You" I talked to what he thinks of Pixar. I bet he'd tell you. The New Dominant Thought is that even a little whimsy or joy is wrong. It's all about frowning faces. Red and Blue States. Hate hate hate. Anger. Yelling. Screaming. Eating. That's the new America of the New Consumer. HE IS HE WHO CONSUMES THE MOST! RAAAR!
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We're a country where we trample people to death in order to get a good deal on a television set. Yeah. That's the US!
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You're judging the 3-D in the Avatar Trailer to the entire Christmas Carol film??? SO are you now saying that Cameron won't create subtle moments of depth for his movie and only eyepopping crap??? You saw a fucking trailer!!! If I have to explain that anymore then you're pretty lost. I attended Avatar day and there were non actiony moments that draw you into the film using good depth perception and subtle 3-D! God forbid the actiony moments have stuff flying around the screen! Particularly since there are dragons versus helicopters! And even then it was still like a window. Nothing jabbing you in the face. It's simply like actually looking at the scene naturally. But I would agree that for some audiences since the 3-D technology isn't that perfect yet, it'll be too much visual information at times. Until we get holographic TVs and theater screens that do 3-D and 6-D without requiring glasses, this is the best we're going to ever see!
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after reading your 'cartoon' and 'typical american' post, the only thing that needs to be said is...you are a bigger douchebag than all the posters on aicn give you credit for. u r nearing asshole lives territory. btw, how was the 3 way? did he let you touch his most prized possession? the shoat he calls 'the shat?" signed: your friend
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watching the end of the movie,before the movie even starts.now thats a game-changer.
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People are fucking idiots and can't distinguish cartoons and good/bad CG. They dont' care for all the technical details. And Cameron knows that too, whcih is why this Avatar tale is based on a classic story with simpler characterizations! And that's not a bad thing, just a simpler thing that will make it accessible to all. Point is, this isn't the hard sci-fi masterpiece that geeks were looking for. Now put that part past yourself and enjoy the film as the visual masterpiece with a far better than average story that's at least competently put together and doesn't require you to leave your brains at the door. Just don't expect your brain to do any heavy lifting. But the eyeball fuckery will be nice!
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*Batman Begins* didn't get a budget anywhere near $300 million, let alone $500 million. Plus it kicked ass and didn't revolve around repackaging the second half of *Return of the Jedi* as a "game changer" of cinema.
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Everyone shuts up unless they have something to say about THE JAMES HORNER INTERVIEW!!! Huh? How about that? Because all this other tripe has already been said ad nauseam. You're just perpetuating your own geek circle-jerk fest. Like, at least be original enough to go hijack another thread to talk about Avatar. ... oh... wait... that's already been done 1000 times as well. Gahhh!!!! lol
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i know it's a sunday, but i feel like discussing and/or arguing about movies, and im kind of bored of Avatar.
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You're getting a little high on your own masturbatory peacepipe. Save your self-loathing anti-americanism for your blog, BigChiefKnowItAll. Kids reign supreme in the U.S., that's why not only Pixar and Disney but movies like that "Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs" did so well. Animated movies are a billion dollar industry yearly unto themselves here so put the firewater down already.
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the americans and their relationship with the cartoons.and i say that from the perspective of someone who lives in greece,and knows how much low,the majority of greek adults thinks of cartoons and comics.its like day and night opposite the american adults.anyway.
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The ghost twins vs morpheus n trinity during the car chase, Neo vs merovingians crew, Neo vs the hundreds of Smiths. Very underrated movie but revolutions was shit.
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How anyone could think Americans hate animation is so beyond me that I can't even formulate a comment on it. ...other than, ANYBODY CHECK OUT THAT JAMES HORNER INTERVIEW?!? Anyway, my five year old nephew could tell you were to put that opinion in a heartbeat. Sponge Bob rules all to him. So much so that my 58 year old mother knows the names of nearly every character on the show. Disney has a channel, theme parks and new movies every year. Dreamworks has an animation studio. Cartoon Network, heard of it? Yeah, we hate animation.
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Is not technical or visual or fight scenes, etc. It's the fact that a) they kind of shit on the mythology created in the first film to just make a couple of action movies, and b) the end was predicted MONTHS before the second film was even released. I actually found Animatrix to be more fulfilling as a follow-up to the first film than either of the two official sequels. Oh yeah, and the rave scene is retarded (even though it, and many other portions of the last two movies were filmed in the city where I live).
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King Kong made 218 million dollars US on a 200 million budget. It did slightly better overseas, but nothing to shout about, and certainly a lot less than expected opening on the week before Christmas, with the hottest director in town doing one of the most famous stories in town. Can you not see the parallels with Avatar?
There's another problem with the movie that I didn't mention: Don't underestimate the amount of people going into this expecting the Last Airbender movie. There's a lot of movie-stupid people out there, and they might be a little upset that some movie they never heard of has stolen the title of something that is actually popular.
I don't think it's out of bounds to say that Last Airbender is going to outgross Avatar.
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I'm not arguing with you. :) I think that the story will quite possibly be very engaging. When I talk about "blue ballerinas" and all that I'm not referring to the actual quality of AVATAR. What I'm talking about his how Joe. Q. Twelvepack will see it.
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I, too, think THE LAST AIRBENDER will possibly outgross AVATAR. Once, as a kid, I heard about this badass Spielberg movie, but I could not remember the name for the life of me. When GHOULIES came out in my local cinema, I rushed to see it ... only to think "Wow, this is nothing like Spielberg ..." and then realized the movie I was looking for was GREMLINS. Of course, he only produced, but I was a kid. And GREMLINS (1) was truly badass.
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... Aang ain't white, motherfuckers.
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So few bullets.
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Notice how people have been talking to me all normal-like, and the minute they find out I'm NA they are like BigChief and firewater. And you say my negative opinions of people are wrong? What's funny is it's my ancestry that's NA. I don't LOOK like the stereotypical NA person, even though I've lived on a reservation for two years of my life.
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not 300,nor 500.and that budget is not just for the movie,but mainly for the development of ground-breaking technology.
Cameron intends to establish a strong 3D market and then rent his technology to the other producers who are interested to use it in their own 3D movies.
Its like with the big videogames,where the big companies gain most of their profit by renting their successful game engines to other game studios.(Unreal engine,Source engine,etc).
imho thats Cameron's personal ambition.the man himself has said many times in his interview,that he doesnt expect huge b.o. success from his movie.but he does think that its going to be a game-changer,at least thats how the big producers and filmmakers will receive it,and then will want to use it.thats his words.
now about batman.batman is an already established and very successful franchise both in comics and in movies.it had already a huge fanbase,both from the cinema and the comic regions.so it had a bit of easier job to become a success,or looking from another point of view: the first movie was a test drive for the studio to see how strong the fanbase remained and if a re-ignition of the franchise was possible.the movie proved that the franchise was still living and kicking,and the rest is history.
The funny thing is that Avatars sequel,if its made,it will have a smaller budget,since the technology is already developed.see there? now thats an attractive investemnt,for someone who wants to produce a movie: use a technology where u can make sequels with less money,than the original movie.hmm. -
Critch, King Kong sucked, so it never generated any positive word of mouth. If Avatar is good, it will generate business. Ominus, just going by published and broadcast (60 min.) reports, the cost of this movie including advertising is in the 400 million dollar range. No movie of this magnitude can only be evaluated on the cost of the film itself. You gotta include everything.
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Nov 29, 2009 2:38:47 PM CST
king kong did "slighty better" over seas? IT MADE 550 MILLION DO
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
im sure thats enough to buy groceries.
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Nov 29, 2009 2:39:06 PM CST
Spymunk. Hearing about your autism is getting real old.
by hint_of_smegma
I mean, FFS, who cares? Every other fucking post from you is you justifying your opinions by saying you have autism, as if it makes you have a unique insight. Give me a break. I'm sorry you have a condition. But it really has no relevance here, so why you want to throw it in everyone's face is simply bizarre.
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Nov 29, 2009 2:39:30 PM CST
550 million dollars-fuck these shitty 1996 talkbacks
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
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Nov 29, 2009 2:40:29 PM CST
oh and the matrix reloaded has awesome fight scenes
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
that highway chase still makes me cum bubbles
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i believe, without reservation, u r an 'na', natural asshole. signed: your friend
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the total cost for Watchmen is 300m dollars.no wonder its one of movies history biggest failures.
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Hey Spunk, my local theatre charges $9.50 admission. How much is that in wampum? Or do you pay with beads and pelts?
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Be proud of being NA. Thank gawd some tribes are finally getting a piece of the American pie thanks to the casinos and other economic developments. I have my fingers crossed that at least one tribe discovers it is sitting on a sizable oil deposit so they can rake in the cash Kuwaiti style. Plus, there's actually quite a few hot NA chicas... Angelina Jolie being a prime example.
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True.
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As I'm really not reading the Avatard posts unless they have something to do with the JAMES HORNER INTERVIEW!!!!! I just thought that shit was funny, and I'm 1/8th myself.
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The three most overhyped movies of all time?
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Don't believe the $230 million figure. The budget is $300 million for Avatar; $500 million including marketing.
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Cameron's accountant.right.
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...can be based on something people have actually seen.
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or ratings don't matter, yet everyone thinks this movie is a flop, and the show will be cancelled cause GASP the ratings went down one time.
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At least to a US television watcher, because what stays on air is pretty much solely based on advertising revenue. But US box office doesn't matter if world box office covers the cost to make the film, or dvd/blu-ray rental and sales and television rights do the same. I mean really, look at how many films that never made their budget back at the box office have had sequels. It matters to the producers, I'm sure. But there's just so many more ways for films to make money other than direct box office numbers these days.
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Been buying too many Cars toys for my American nephew who doesn't like animation lately. *cough*
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Nov 29, 2009 3:14:22 PM CST
box office doesnt reflect the quality of a movie
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
but it does matter when the studios want to make a profit or a sequel (saw 1 through 497, for example)
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But they have these things called DVD box sets that you can watch over and over again. You may not get new episodes, but I watch more old shows now than I ever did.
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Nov 29, 2009 3:22:15 PM CST
aintitcool talkbacks, the videogame!!!
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
take out the spaces! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAMg5RMxpbQ losers!
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as do i.
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I'm sick of hearing from the repetitive and profoundly tedious haters and trolls. Banal nonsense. This is the most protracted cock tease in history. (Na'vi) blue balls. Just get the damn movie out now so we can see it at last.P.S. Tranny Cum Gulper - you were quoted in the latest issue of Empire magazine. Hey, you're famous - for being a dickhead! The highlight of your miserable existence, no doubt.Spymunk - back to being a potty mouthed ranting cunt again, I see. A leopard never changes its spots.Avatar - $1.5 billion grossing GAME-CHANGER. Don't fucking doubt it.
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should get shot. Chris Gore makes me rage. Honestly his opinions on movies are just shite every time I see him review some DVDs. Skip the good ones, buy the pieces of shit. Oh and give films like GI Joe a pass "Because it wasn't trying to be serious, it wanted to be fun". Fuck that bullshit excuse. It wasn't even fun to watch either.
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after Avatar. But nowhere near on the same level of hype for me than Avatar. That..shall be reserved for The Hobbit. GDT, Mr. Creature-Feature, better not screw this one up. Thank God the original team has him on a leash script-wise.
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I really don't take stock in their movie reviews, because they have awful taste.
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when do you think we are going to see Zoe's T&A in a movie?
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It's called self-defense. And I'm not attacking anyone. Yes, I have changed.
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If that pile of shit 2012 can make $139M at the US box-office (and still climbing) then AVATAR's going to pull in a zillion dollars!! At least AVATAR's more of an event movie than that festering putrid crud called 2012. Pick holes in that fucking mess of a movie and let the reviews come in first before attacking Cameron. We'll soon find out whether the film is any good. Seriously it's not long to wait.
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picnic.
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19 days left.
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Biggest difference? People aren't calling 2012 names like JAMES CAMERON'S GAYLIENS.
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Nov 29, 2009 4:37:47 PM CST
Hey Spymunk maybe you can do an Assberger Raindance
by zombieheathledger
on Avatar's opening day to try to hurt box office numbers, lol.
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''Biggest difference? People aren't calling 2012 names like JAMES CAMERON'S GAYLIENS''
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It was funny how all the fucking media was all ready to hate Avatar even though no one has even laid eyes on a frame of the movie. Fuck the critics. They eat up shit like The Road.
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But it won't hold up. If all the awful dialog we've all heard thus far will exist for the full 2 and a half hours that alone will kill this movie. Story first, FX 2nd. That's how it should always be. If that simplest of formulas were followed we'd have way better movies to watch.
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That's clever.(pointedly looks at watch...)
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The EVIL PATRIARCHAL WHITE RAPIST CAPITALISTS WILL STEAL THE NOBLE, MISUNDERSTOOD 'SAVAGES' LAND FOR MINERAL RIGHTS.
Christ, you're joking, right? Sadly not, that is exactly what the preview showed. Sorry, I'm keeping my ten bucks. -
like Children of Men. You know, movies that deserve being slammed.
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with the indians,the africans,indians,chinese and all that.its just a myth.
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Never.(leans back in chair, studies hairline crack in ceiling)
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Would you prefer NA'AVI IN THE WATER? JAMES CAMERON'S LAZER CATS?
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Poor. Thought you were a changed man.(drums fingertips on desk...)
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Nov 29, 2009 5:32:48 PM CST
I think it's hilarious people admit to watching Ferngully
by lockesbrokenleg
ENJOY ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FERNGAYLY: THE ASS PAIN FOREST?
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JAMES CAMERON'S ONCE UPON A TIME IN DETEST?
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I have changed. I'm just messing with the title.
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Starring Viggo Mortenson.
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when is this movie out anyway?
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Avatar-zan?It's in a jungle. They must swing through the trees at some point.
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http://tinyurl.com/yzlz8su
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Good question. I've been asking it for months.Still no answer.
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wow, my bro told me there was alota hate toward this movie, i didnt believe it tho but damn!
I think ppl should just wait until the actually see the movie itself and then judge it on its own merits. Im totaly hyped for it, but ill admit, i dont think its a revolution of cinema or any kind of ''Game-changer''
All this crap about B.O numbers
and studio bugets?
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Cameron was talking about the technology that went into making the movie and how it would affect the way other movies were made.He didn't mean the film content.
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oh yea i know, but i mean
''game-changer'' in regards to the CGI which i think most ppl take it as such. The cgi is really great tho i gota say, and ive seen a few featurettes now that show off the preformance-capture technology
looks cool :D
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who thought it was a good idea to add that pop song in jabba's palace?i guess the easy answer is, george lucas.
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$700 MILLION DOMESTIC.. TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!
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The original version had a pop song too. It even had a fucking music video.
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"one of the most highly anticipated films of the year (half-decade? decade? century?!?)"
I hope that's a joke as New Moon, poopy as that movie is, will have a bigger opening.
ANYWAY...I also hope it's good. Titanic is my least favorite movie, so in MY opinion, he owes me!!! :)
As for the Smurf comments....how about this one: ZOMBIE SMURFS. It's not finished yet (and was conceived BEFORE that South Park episode was aired) and WILL reference Ga-Nap!!!
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lol, i just watched jedi last night
i kinda liked that little song:P
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yeah, i guess, but it didnt seem as obtrusive for some reason.. maybe im just candy coating my memories. ROTJ was always the weakest of the OT. (as opposed to ROTS being the strongest of the new trilogy)
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heh, in about an hour and a half, I'll be enjoying another new ROTJ pop ditty.
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dec 12th at my local cinema for avatar? thats prob a mistake.
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I think the song at the end is better than the Yub Yub song.
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yeah, i agree 100% on that one.
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that im going to tell, because i dont want to talk about avatar.i was on some other random message board and some kids we're posting pictures of scary /depressed /tough /emo bands, then posting their most scary /depressing /tough /emo lyrics next to the picture. it was really lame, so i posted a picture of ewoks and the lyrics to the 'yub yub' song next to it. upseting emo kids makes me giggle.
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the game-changer is about the technology,and not the content of the movie.
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and i thought to myself "I'm bored with this game, i wish someone would change it."
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CGI hippos! They're very, VERY hungry! In the Serengeti, only Hippos can hear you scream!
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does about once a month sound correct? you know, I'm okay with that.
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Oh yeah, because Terminator and Titanic are just FILLED with amazing dialogue. lol
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a dialogue changer!thanks! I'll be here all night!
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I thought titanic had ok dialogue,not great but not terrible either imo. abit cheseey i gues.
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sounds the least bit original or fresh i'll see it. come on. anything. anything at all. or at least an interesting character or something. no? anyone?
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You're too emo to understand Avarar. Better go back to your copy of The Crow.
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i coudnt tell ya man, to be honnest id love to see that too in any movie these days! a total new and original movie , never been seen or done before! but no one is doing that.
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i say this as a friend, but that opinion is like someone who only listens to the radio saying "all music sucks nowadays!"good, original stuff is out there.. sometime you just have to dig for it.
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already game changed things with star trek, if anything cameron shgouldve just produced avatar and let jj direct.
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I think in the next movie they'll have a monkey instead of a doggie.
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i hope im wrong.. really i hope i do. but so far the story seems a rehash of dances with wolves, the last samurai, etc.the thing is, im not even complaining about the last of original story.. i understand basic story archetypes. I just personally dont really like that story.
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im bored and ive been drinking.
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oh i agree , it dose sound like that now when i look at it.
but as for original contect, im not really looking for that kinda thing,
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yeah, im definitely going to see avatar, and ill probably enjoy it... im just not as excited about it as i wish i was. I was kind of hopeing our first look was going to be something like the first time you saw the matrix.. even though that followed a basic story archetype, it excited me more.
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which i loved, ive no problem with cameron taking that basic plot type and slapping it on avatar, it kinda sux for the older viewers who have seen that basic plot many times, but for the younger viewers who may have not seen movies like that, id imagine it will be a blast for them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4W6witvZh8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZkrGRNm02Y&NR=1
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star trek best movie of all time!
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like ju ju bees.did i mention ROTJ was on?
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i thought was great too, but basic?
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Why the assumption the entire geek community will turn out come opening weekend? Let me offer a little insight; alot of geels became disillusioned with Cameron after True Lies and Titanic. Especially after Titanic. And what do the marketing boys at Fox go and do? They slap on the poster "from the director of Titanic". Yep, that's right. They shit in the mouths of the one group that they were relying on to go and see the film. There's been nothing about Avatar to give the geeks wet dreams, aside from some pretty visuals. Fox will try and sell Avatar as a space romance to try an draw in the tweens, but it ain't gonna work. Robert Pattison or a 7ft blue alien? You do the math. It's also interesting how the pro-Avatar crowd have changed their stance from the film being a box office juggernaut to a "game changer" only. Do I sense a climbdown? Back to the point, expect the geeks to take revenge on Cameron and Fox by staying the hell away from Avatar. This is a call to arms for all geeks - don't feel obligated to watch this just because it's a Cameron film, save your $10!
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C-3PO was fluent in over 6 million forms of communication? i wonder if Anakin programmed all of those into him?
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HE SAID THAT IN EMPIRE!!!!!!!!
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the unreal world we experience is as old as Plato's cave.
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Seriously, he just randomly picks a movie to hate and throws it in every talkback. I guess he's moved on from Joss Whedon.
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Um, because it looks boring and it looks like it was filmed for five bucks. Therefore there's some people in the world that will tell you over and over again how wonderful it is.
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the unfilmed script:Darth Vader "Ahh C-3PO.. you know I built you right?"C-3PO "oh dear!"Darth Vader "yeah, i programmed you, and introduced you to the rebels... hmm, you know, even though im all evil now, there no reason i shouldnt still appreciate the technology i created. let me just mess with a few wires here and.. Voila! You're on my side now!"
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thats kinda cool.
I dont know why ppl gota talk crap about this movie, i really dont.
I dont see how avatar is only aimed (or mostly) at the geeks.
My dad cant wait to see it, and he is everything but a geek. There are ppl out there who cant even afford a TV set let alone go to the movies. hating on movies is pointless, id give my right nut to be a film maker. -
i wonder if the next evening he told story of the prequels?probably not, or they would have gotten bored and refused to help.
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my last post was comedy gold.
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his memory wipe and turned him into a protocol droid.
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oh cool, i always thought it was that organa dude:P
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but my script would still work.
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master was Captain Antillies.
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ohh ok, but it wasnt antillies that actualy wiped his memory? he would have been to young to do that.
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There HAS been a climbdown from the claims of $500m opening week numbers. Now, it's just a "game changer," and the climb down has been further extended. It's a game changer for FUTURE movies, not for cinema itself, and even then it's a game changer only for the technology that will be used to make it. Uh-huh. Pretty soon it'll be a game changer because of different formula in the butterolium at the candy counter.
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ARE GAME CHANGERS!!!!!WHOOOOOO YEAHHHHH BITCHES!!!!
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IN THE ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No, because Antillies was seen at the end of ROTS as the Captain of that ship that was seen at the start of Star Wars. Didn't you see ROTS?
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um, wedge has a second name of antillies too right?
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...watched the damn James Horner video. That's what this post was about. Otherwise, please continue discussing any of the myriad other topics ongoing in this thread. lol
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but..
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a shame exchanger!
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Nov 29, 2009 8:04:29 PM CST
someone you puts the Spider Man movies in a different order is..
by soup74
A lame arranger!
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a Tame Granger
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Claim Rangers!
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(Whose name I just got, effin' duh!) If the five dollar movie moves me then yes, I'll call it great. But I'll feel the same way about the $500 million that movie that moves me. Same if they're bad, though. But in a world filled with rehashed remakes, reboots, sequels and prequels with budgets large enough to run third world countries for years there is something to be said for a film that can genuinely entertain on a small budget.
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Fame Danger!
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the greatest line from ROTJ was just on.
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He's the one who called it a "game-changer" in the first place.
"He's trying to present this format in a way where it is a game-changer and in seeing it I think it's the future" "It is a game-changer from a production standpoint certainly in the way he's using motion capture and operating a camera within a volume… the line between animation and live action is blurring in many ways." "The way that Jim's doing it, it's a much more organic process where post-production, production, and pre-production all sort of roll into one another and you're moving back and forth between those media."
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well said.
$500 mill, is a disgrace
but i try not to get involved in talks about that.
All i want from avatar is to be entertained like ive said already, im willing to pay £8 for that.
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Hell no! But I'm not rambling on and on and on about Avatar like I've seen it 1000 times, was on set through the entire production or work in Cameron's accounting department, either. Thanks for the tip, though. I'll adjust all future comments accordingly. lol
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BET YOUR SUNSHINE ASS!!
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why would have it been so bad for Luke to 'take.. his.. weapon.. and strike.. the.. emperor.. down?' seems like it might have saved some time.
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here in the uk isnt great for avatar.
i havnt seen one tv spot yet, and i think there is like 5 right now playing in america!
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granted it didnt make the vehicle fall, but it definitely slowed it down. what the hell are the AT-STs made of? i think i could drag 6 ewoks from a rope and not slow down.
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if only to hear Horner's extremely effeminate way of expressing himself. I don't give a fuck though. His ALIENS cues were the soundtrack to all my war-games as a child. That shit is the dogs bollocks!
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let me buy you a dos equis, and we can take a siesta together.
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Did you guys notice that outside of the Vulcans, Star Trek II has no phony aliens?
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that scene where the one ewok died just happened.. im gonna need a minute.
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interesting.. probably why its such a classic. but.. i dont really remember.. were there any phony aliens in Star Trek 1?
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and i dont plan too,im sure avatars score will be great.i really liked his work in LOTR too.
I heard like 30 sec preview of
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I'm reading the UPDATED article right now, then I'll take a listen. However, I'll still not be discussing Avatar. Because I honestly believe that people are ruining the film for themselves and others. So my mission for the next 19 days is to discuss as many other things as possible on every new Avatar thread. That being said, Horner - effeminate or not - is a bad ass composer. I can look at his IMDb listing and find ten films he scored that I absolutely LOVE and another ten films where his score was the best thing about it. He hits the target far more than he misses.
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neither does JJ abrams!ZING!
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"my mission for the next 19 days is to discuss as many other things as possible on every new Avatar thread"way ahead of you, buddy.
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is that the guy who created lost right? i love lost tho
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I don't want hear some droning voice.
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im a JJ fanboy.. i did like the new star trek.. just couldnt pass up the joke.
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i feel like im fucking up avatar for myself too, ive watched everything there is about it, and i hate myself for that.
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Yeah, there were Klingons at the beginning.
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Gay Manger
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ah ok lol. well i havnt a clue about star trek, its not my cup of tea.
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Wolfen, Wrath Of Khan, 48 Hours, Something Wicked This Way Comes, Krull, Gorky Park, Search For Spock, Cocoon, Commando, Aliens, Captain EO, An American Tail, Project X, Batteries Not Included, Willow, The Land Before Time, Field Of Dreams, Honey I Shrunk The Kids, Glory!, Patriot Games, Swing Kids, The Pelican Brief, Clear and Present Danger, Legends Of The Fall - Braveheart and Apollo 13 all very close together, Jumanji, Courage Under Fire, Ransom, Titanic, Deep Impact, The Perfect Storm, A Beautiful Mind - which is so powerful and beautiful, Troy, Apocalypto - and that's just a sampling. That man is like, walking movie history.
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fuck...
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000035/
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If you hear that, you know where he got his ideas.
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ThusSpakeSpymunk: nice!traxz101: i think you and me might be the only two. Fringe (another JJ project)is my current favorite show (well assuming that season 2 is going to pick up the pace after the break.)lockesbrokenleg: stupid Klingons always popping up at the worst times.
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in that list! jesus, thats more impressive than john williamns imo.
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was pretty cool i thought, it scared me abit too. i liked it more than i thought i would.it felt real to me.
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jj again?
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knowing how akakin gave into the dark side in ROTS makes luke's refusal to give in under similar circumstances at the end of ROTJ a little more meaningful, he actually is stronger at heart. gotta give some credit there.
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wasnt that the whole point tho?
that anikan need to see true meaning of the force through others?
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1. Complain that nothing original comes out.
2.When something original comes out complain that it only appeals to geeks.
3. Ask for a sequel to a popular film when you were a kid. Then hate it when it doesn't live up to your expectations.
4. Complain about dumb action movies.
5. Put down ambitious art house films.
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but you'll die..nothing can stop that now.
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hayden christensen didnt age well.
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i just became a member:P
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yeah, thats why im giving him props for that part. it actually did work.
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LOL...
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The dialogue about AVATAR really is getting redundant. BOTH opposing sides have run out of anything relevant to say. Now it's just lame hate hyperbole battling it out with the skeptical yet hopeful devotees. Neither of these sides really has a leg to stand on anymore, until this fucking thing is poured into their skulls come december 18th. Then we shall see one massive fucking talkback, filled PURE HATRED!! For the movie, for each other, and for cinema itself. I'm looking forward to that as much as the movie really. If AVATAR fails to entertain, that upcoming mammoth cauldron of geek emotions will surely suffice.
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And he's definitely had the good fortune of creating several themes that are instantly recognizable as what they are: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Jaws and Harry Potter, at least. But in general I do like Horner's work more. His themes are more varied and he works more with wistfulness and melancholy. Williams is much more up and solid with his themes, even when they're dark.
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are you trolling?
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the people celebrating look awkward. the half ass dancing and the kinda-but not really- raising of their arms. it just looks awkward in every movie.
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It's not The Times of London, nor The London Times. The best rendition would be London's The Times.
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okay, good. heh.
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chipmunk takes it in the ass, so that makes him a...rump rangersigned: your friend
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try again.
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As a guy growing up as a certifiable film music geek, I recently began to listen to classical music more intently. Like, having it on in the house and car. And I am shocked at how many famous music themes and verses are just flat out stolen from fairly obscure classical pieces. I don't just mean stuff by John Williams, but I heard this one piece on the radio that I literally thought was "The Right Stuff" theme, but then it changed into a more traditional classical piece. But everytime it went back to the melody, it was note for note the Bill Conti score. Sorry, forgot the name of the classical piece, but it was really striking.
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chipmunk takes it in the ass while hes raving about how good old dogs was, so hes a..Lame Flamer.(sorry chipmunk.. i dont even know you.. just playing the game.)
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sorry guys, more star wars is coming your way.
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was explaining the dinosaur bones on Tatooine.
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My favorite robot chicken star wars moment is when the emporer takes a call from darth vader and makes him cry...epic
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And it's actually got some interesting bits in there. Both about Avatard... I mean tar... and the way Cameron and Shore work together. The only think I knew previously is that he sprung that hell spawn of a tripe pile on Cameron at the very end of post on Titanic. Judging by how much I love most of his work, and how it's affected a lot of the films I love, I'm actually more interested in seeing Avatar now. ...no, really, that was an honest comment. lol
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if they do a 3rd one, they have to use my 'C-3P0 tells the ewoks the prequel story' idea. COMEDY GOLD, I TELLS YOU!
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I have never seen a single minute of Robot Chicken. I'm so ashamed by this that I've been thinking about picking up the complete series set.
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Here be a totally batshit insane and nigh unreadable interpretation of said film.
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And remember when it was called The Nashville Network?
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I thought you were going to stop talking about avatar. you're not doing a good job.
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i posted that before your last post. you ARE doing a good job.
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Nov 29, 2009 9:25:57 PM CST
"but i was going to Toshi station to pick up some power converte
by soup74
luke, you whiney bitch
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on this page. Wha!!!! I hate eveything!
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And nigh unreadable. They should really study up on run-on sentences and forming paragraphs. It would have helped. Regardless, I bookmarked it for later perusing.
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Nov 29, 2009 9:27:48 PM CST
How can Horner say film music isn't memorable any more
by lockesbrokenleg
when this guy's music hasn't changed much in 20 years?
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"but I was going to toshi to pick up some power converterrrrrs" is the single most whiny line ever uttered by a male actor in the entire history of cinema. I even hated that line when I was a kid. Of all the changes Lucas made to the films you'd think getting Mark into the studio to do a new voice over would have been at the top of the freakin list.
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IT BETTER NOT LET ME DOWN!
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You may have noticed, most of us don't agree with you on that point. Or maybe you haven't. Nyaaaa! lol
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THAT'S FINE!! I KNOW PEOPLE HATE ME CAUSE I'M RIGHT ALL THE TIME! HAHHHAHAHAHH!
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OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH, I LOVE ME SOME DAFT PUNK!you better believe im excited for Tron: Legacy.
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And then I think they tried TNN. I also remember thinking Spike was a dumb idea when it first started. Now I watch that channel as much as any other, and sometimes more. Admittedly that because I'm a CSI (LAS VEGAS ONLY!) nut. But still, I watch that channel a lot.
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Because that would be freakin' cool! I've seen the Dafts at a small club in SF and with 50,000 people at Coachella. Great effin' show!
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UFC and CSI are two things I watch. If you pay don't attention, You could spend 4-5 hours watching CSI before you know it.
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have you seen Deadmau5? remember when Justice was supposed to be the next daft punk, but they fell just a little short?.. go see Deadmau5.. he's the next daft punk. im still talking about that show non-stop to anyone who will listen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCBNqSQan74those special effect to me, are cooler than anything i may see in a certain movie about blue aliens.
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I was hoping Avatar's score would sound remarkably new, experimental and alien. But it seems they've settled for something traditional instead. Disappointing, but no biggie.Frankly the most interesting experimental and unique score of all time for me is from the anime 'Akira.' It's futuristic, strange and foreign, eerie and best of all very thematic and recognizable! Cameron should've hired that guy!
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have u ever heard the music from 'forbidden planet?' signed: your friend
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That score is fucking fantastic!
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That's pretty amazing, also. I LOVE the "Akira" soundtrack.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L6khk27kuE amazing, AMAZING show. any special effect geeks here should really try to make it out. watching something like this live is life changing.
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And love house music in general. It's one of the few things on this earth that makes me so happy I just don't care what anybody thinks about it. It's in my soul. Anyway, Deadmau5' stuff reminds me a lot of what Gui Boratto has been doing for the last few year as well. Gui is right at the top of the list for me lately. I Remember is the jam, though. *nods*
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That score is more than half the reason why I've watched that one as much as I have. Love to just let it play in the background...
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we all have something in common.
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its hard not to bounce your body to that song.
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I'd be looking forward to TRON LEGACY too if not for the weird crescent-face effect they're doing where everyone looks like they do in a THUMB movie by Oedekirk.
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Chi-Town must've been nuked from orbit…Pure Fiya!
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Bridges doesn't even get to TALK in the preview, which means he's probably not in the movie much.
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heh, that pretty funny. but maybe this is my non-geek side coming out...when tron legacy comes out, im am going to get so fucking high out of my mind and see it somewhere around 10 times in the theater. i dont care how good or bad it is. Sci-fi special effects, and Daft Punk. as jaka said, that speaks to my soul, and it is 100% critic proof.
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WTF? 1:40am?
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It's Russian.
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you like electro music? move to Chicago. the winters suck. but the music (actually any kind of music) is top notch.
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of STAR WARS ephemera, dealing with electronic music this time.
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for the interview with the key grip
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That's a big plane.
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yeah, but he started around 11:30. the ending of the Deadmau5 show was one of the coolest things ive ever seen.he played for about 2 hours.. left and came back for an encore.. played 2 songs and right in the middle of this incredible jam that had everyone freaking out..he just stopped it abruptly and played the game over theme from Super Mario Brothers with a video of mario dying.. and that was it. it was FUCKING incredible to see everyone not sure if it was really over.. a mixture of pissed, confused, and amazed at the same time.fucking brilliant.
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Chris Cunningham would make a feature film already. He wouldn't just fuck our eyeballs, he'd sodomize our cerebral cortex!
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Some tracks from Akira:
tinyurl.com/coj9qd
tinyurl.com/yeysqbb
tinyurl.com/kpnn9r
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From Old School Jungle to 80's American Hardcore to Hip Hop to Prog Rock. If it catches me, I'll bump it.
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It's going to be glorious. I won't be high, but I think it'll be a huge ball of fun no matter what. If it's good - huzzah. If it's bad, it'll still be TRON.My only concern is that the first movie is such a wonderfully positive Capitalist, Objectivist screed - I fear Hollywood will fuck that part of the story up royally this time. In the original, Flynn's whole purpose for going on this asskicking adventure of a lifetime is to ... RECOVER HIS COPYRIGHT ! The tagline might as well read: HE'S GOT 24 HOURS ... TO SAVE HIS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. I love that element, that he's doing it all for the money, and finds passion for life along the way, too. I fear the new one will be all about how everyone smart and rich burns out or is evil and how they all have to recognize that self-sacrifice is the noblest goal.
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(raises hand) Was a part of the rave movement in SF starting in the Winter of 1991. Went to all the Wicked, Basics, Funkyteknotribe, etc. parties. Went to break-ins and undergrounds, massives and house parties. Between 91 and Jan of 95 I went to somewhere around 500 parties. Faded slowly through the end of 97 and only went to a few parties in 98 and 99. Unfortunately, the gentrification of the SOMA district in SF completely ruined our "scene". Now it's all about $40-50 covers and what you're wearing. Pisses me the hell off. There's still some die-hards out there doing $5 parties on Thursday nights at hole-in-the-wall bars. But really, as sad as it is, our scene died. House music, however, did not. It's strong and vital and keeps evolving all over the globe. And thankfully it's done so in the internet age, so I can download all of it on SLSK. lol
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i just did a quick IMDB search.. he has nothing planned.. why?
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Hell fucking yes! I was just thinking that last night while discussing Gondry and Jonez. He's said publicly that he won't do it until it's a passion project that he can be in control of, though. So, given the amount of time since he's done anything, it could be that he's working on it, or it's simply not going to happen.
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.... the film was painful to watch.
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just new scenes.. you gotta seek it out.I paid $50 to go see Sasha at an over 21 show for us old schoolers. he seemed bored, and the show was lackluster. then i paid $20 to go see Deadmau5. Granted i had to deal with a sea of 17 year olds, but it reminded me why i loved the music so much in the first place.
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just new scenes.. you gotta seek it out.I paid $50 to go see Sasha at an over 21 show for us old schoolers. he seemed bored, and the show was lackluster. then i paid $20 to go see Deadmau5. Granted i had to deal with a sea of 17 year olds, but it reminded me why i loved the music so much in the first place.
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Agreed, the AKIRA score would've been a perfect match for the visuals we've seen of AKIRA.
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surprised in my drunken state, that it's the first one.
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I will now seek them out!Speaking of which a lot of anime and game composers like Yoko Kanno, Kenji Kawai, Kow Otani etc. do some fucking outstanding jobs on their scores! Hell, something close to Ghost in the Shell would also sound awesome!tinyurl.com/yakk8fz^ Now that's some haunting shit!
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Because I have memories if not liking the Akira soundtrack. Clearly, my head was wrong on that one and I'll be hunting down that soundtrack. Check this out regarding the composers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geinoh_Yamashirogumi However, I got the impression in the interview that Horner is partially going that route. He said that the pieces bounce back and forth from traditional orchestral and choral to "native instruments" - which is very much in line with some of the Akira stuff. Btw, that second Akira link is the shit!
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ive seen Electroma around 15 times. even went to a special screening of it where the main actors were there (daft punk didnt actually play themselves) and i gushed like a fanboy to the actor that played 'robot #1' (even he seemed surprised when i told him how many times ive seen the movie.)that being said, i wouldn't recommend the movie to anyone. it's horribly boring, and it could be condensed into 10 minutes. but, you either enjoy that kind of stuff, or you dont.
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Shit! lol I still go see the artists and DJs I love when they come around. And I don't care how bored they or the crowd look, because I can close my eyes and get off in my own head. I don't need anybodies help to do that, and I haven't needed drugs to do it for 10 years. All that matters to me is that the music is still out there, growing and thriving. I can bounce around my living room until I'm 90! I'm really, REALLY happy that Orbital have decided to come back. Now if they would just tour the damn states already.
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She runs isht. In a word: sublime.
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...actually felt like watching paint dry. As much as I love the Dafts, that "movie" did nothing for me.
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Cunningham almost did A SCANNER DARKLY and some comic called "RanXerox(sp?)", but for the reasons Jaka stated, those things obviously never happened. Something to look forward to and dream about I guess...
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The fucking tornado just blew out the guys window!!
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i really do. Preach on brotha!
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its been fun, but thats the end of my pointless rambling for the evening! take care, all!
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The Fountain (Clint is doing good work), The Assassination of Jesse James, James Newton Howard scores, The Theme of Cast Away, Road to Perdition, Jonny Greenwood stuff from There WIll Be Blood.
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You people are nuts.In a couple of weeks,sappy apology`s after seeing this.
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for Gran Tarino. It would make up for all those movies he didn't get nominated for that were great.
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..DO SO when they tour the states, or wherever you live. One of the best live acts of any genre, ever. I mean, come on!
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What about Howard Shore's "Dead Ringers" soundtrack? A bit old school but, one of my favourites.
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I dug There Will Be Blood and Assassination of Jesse James as well. But I saw TWBB with some not so open minded people and one of them said, out loud, during the film!, "what the fuck is this music?!" lol
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To see if they have any info on Chris Cunningham. They're nice folks over there at Warp, so they'll probably email back that they have no idea and wish he'd do something, too. But since a majority of his music videos were for their artists I figure it can't hurt to try. (shrug)
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I thought the music for Blood was pretty good. I'd never buy the CD, though.
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tinyurl.com/yg9mf5o
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... before someone figures out a way to bypass all taste completely and manages to get a reality show about people dying on the air.
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..but I did buy the DVD. The music does a great job of building a very disturbing tension that matches Day-Lewis' performance perfectly.
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..I think that's already happened in some country outside of the US.
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They do that now. It's called The News.
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Jaka - I have some of the TWBB songs.
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to THE SHINING(of which the TWBB score has some very welcome similarities) all week. KUBRICK was so badass he could bend classical music to fit the needs of his films. It's as if they were written for him in the first place. Like every single one of those composers ideas were only ever conceived in order to be under consideration for use by the future KUBRICK.
Sorry for the KUBRICK rant, but that guy was The Man.
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Nov 29, 2009 11:05:20 PM CST
SCOTT PILGRIM - JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH THE COMICS, WORRIED ABOUT
by tehcreepythinman
I’m not a big comic buff but knowing that Edgar Wright was making an adaptation of this comic series, which I was vaguely aware of, peaked my interest enough to get a hold of the first Vol. at my local library. PHUCING LOVED IT!!! So much so that I ordered all five Vol. off Amazon. This is a GREAT series of books and I absolutely love that it’s a very Canadian comic (Born and raised in Hamilton btw). Now, I was living in Scotland during the late 90’s and remember seeing Spaced when it first premiered on Channel 4 back in 1999. MASTERPIECE. The first series was seven episodes of complete and utter perfection and I will be forever grateful to Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg and Jessica Stevenson for making that incredible show. I liked series two but it’s Return of the Jedi, to the first series Empire Strikes Back, to use an analogy that Spaced fans should appreciate. When I heard that Wright and Pegg were making a zombie movie I almost came. Shaun of the Dead was a great movie and so was Hott Fuzz but the one thing I will say is that they don’t feel as well rounded as Spaced and I think that’s because Jessica Stevenson’s lack of participation. Having laid my geek cards out, I have to say that, based on everything that I’ve read, I’m worried about the movie adaptation of Scott Pilgrim. After reading the first five Vol.’s, Edgar Wright seems like the PERFECT person to helm a feature based on these comics. BUT, the problem I see with this movie is that they seem to be rushing it out. I have a theory as to why that would be but I’ll get to that later. First, it appears that this movie is based on, primarily, the first 3 comics. From what I understand, the screenplay was written after the release of number 3 and I can only assume that they were in pre-Production when number 4 was released. This means that they may have incorporated elements from number four during the late stages of Pre-production and even throughout shooting as re-writes often happen during the making of movies. However, this movie is very visual effects intensive, not to mention all the fight choreography involved, so it doesn’t seem likely that they would have been able to make much use of Vol. 4. I have nothing to do with this movie, so maybe I’m wrong, but I’m making my assumptions based on what I do know of film production, from what I’ve read over the years. The main point of contention that I have is that it’s been reported that, in the movie, Scott fights all seven exes. My issue with this is that they only had, virtually, half the story when they started scripting and it looks like Wright and his screenwriter (Michael Bacall, whoever the fuck he is, seriously, the guys done NOTHING!) are just making up the story based, probably, based on what O’Malley told them would or might happen in books 4, 5 and 6. This really bothers me as I would like a TRUE adaptation of Scott Pilgrim, not some half assed flick based on half a story that hasn’t even been finished. Could Wright and Bacall (why even hire this tool, my nomination would have been Deborah Kaplan and Harry Elfont, Co-Writers and Co-Directors of Josie and the Pussycats, for screenwriting duties, as that movie was GREAT) have crafted a conclusion that might satisfy Pilgrim’s (did I just coin a term for fans?)? Maybe, but not likely, and it won’t be true to O’Malley’s vision. There were three possibilities in adapting Scott Pilgrim and they are all MUCH better then the prospect of Half-Pilgrim which is what we seem to be getting. One; make a trilogy. Split books 1&2, 3&4, 5&6 into a three part series. This would allow the filmmakers time to make the movies and be able to adapt the last two books properly. However, I do understand that SP might not be the best piece of material to turn into a trilogy, so, on to suggestion..... Two; do a two part film. Had they done this, the film makers could have concentrated on adapting the first three books and, by the time the movie comes out, book six should have been finished which would have allowed them to make a sequel that focused on books 4, 5 and 6. This, to me, would have been the most satisfying prospect and, on a geek note, I would have preferred the movies to be called Scott Pilgrim’s Precious Little Life/Scott Pilgrim and the Infinite Sadness. Three; wait until book six was out and make a single movie. This idea isn’t as good as number Two but I do understand that they might only get one shot at doing a SP movie and, if the first film tanked, a second might not be made. So the idea of making one big movie seems like a good way to go for practical reasons. What we are getting is one movie but, as stated before, it will only be half the story while Wright and Bacall make up the rest and I don’t look forward to this movie as much as I once did knowing this. So, why are they rushing this rather then wait until book six came out? It’s because the comic, beloved as it is, is still a niche project without mainstream exposure. It’s also because Michael Cera is playing Scott Pilgrim and, I would bet, that this project only got the greenlight based on the fact that Juno was a huge hit. So Wright and Co. couldn’t wait and rushed this into production because after the failure of Year One it might have been a bit more difficult to get Pilgrim made once people realize that Cera isn’t bankable and got lucky to star in a 100 million plus hit. I also don’t think he’s right for the part either, however, I do admire the fact that Wright is trying to cast Canadian’s as Canadian characters. I just wish Cera wasn’t playing Pilgrim. There is one more problem with making a single movie out of this series besides the ones previously mentioned. Scott Pilgrim, to me, works on three different levels. You have the comedy (WHY IS EVERYONE OBSESSED WITH LESBIANS?!?), the heart (those quiet moments where the characters are contemplating/lamenting their station in life) and the fight scene’s between the seven evil exes. My worry is that, by making one movie, there will be too much focus on the fight sequences and not enough on the pathos. I’m sure that there will be plenty of jokes but it’s the little, identifiable real life moments, that really make the Scott Pilgrim comics for me. So I started with great excitement about this movie to now being fairly pessimistic that it’s going to be Scott Pilgrim-Lite. My hope was that we were going to get a movie that could, potentially, be a cross between Kung Fu Hustle and Clerks 2. Now I’m very worried that all that we will get is fight scene’s and video game references for two hours with a few jokes thrown in. I wanted Scott Pilgrim to be the Canadian equivalent of Spaced, if not better, but I don’t think that’s what we’ll see when we purchase our tickets and sit in the theatre in 2010. Sadface.
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That Avatar turns out to be very good. Brilliant, even. Can I extract a promise from everyone here showing up on AICN proclaiming it to 'SUCK!' without even seeing it: than you will confess you are wrong?
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Patience…give him a shot (Your dead on with the "Kung Fu Hustle).
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Riiiight. You know that will never happen. And I have every confidence that it's going to be very good. I'm just not sure it's the be all end all of cinema.
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books in digital form waiting to be read. But I don't seem to be able to locate them. I'm going to have to rectify that situation now.
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Me neither, to be honest. It does illustrate the perils of a director shooting his moth off about 'game-changing' this and . . . all that other hype-y shit.
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Nov 29, 2009 11:16:05 PM CST
"Scott Pilgrim" — Like being slapped in the face with happy
by blakindigo
It's comics for people who like fun. Read it.
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Nov 29, 2009 11:18:32 PM CST
Jaka, THE SCOTT PILGRIM BOOKS ARE REQUIRED READING!!!FACT!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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...the SLSK right now! I could have sworn I already had them, though. But I can't seem to find them by series or author name. Grrrr!
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...really seem right for the part to you guys? Because that guys voice kinda gets on my nerves. lol
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I’ve seen the webdocs that Wright has made and Cera looks the way he always looks, a beady eyed skinny little creep. As I said, the movie is only getting made because of Juno and Cera happens to be a Canadian that liked the series. Emile Hirsch would have been my first choice but, although he’s dramatically solid, I’m not sure about his comedic chops.
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I made an agreement with a user to see AVATAR open-mindedly if he sees NEW MOON open-mindedly. So if it's awesome, I'm going to be the first person on here to admit to being wrong. Unless someone beats me to it.
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In which part of DANCES WITH WOLVES did Costner's character fuse his consciousness into the body of one of the Native Americans? Was there some kinda Peyote scene cut from the film?
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No, but Smiles-a-Lot would've enjoyed that.
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It's nice to see some people posting some intelligent arguements to juxtapose the nonsense.
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It was that scene at the beginning when the Kevmeister hitches a (wagon) ride with that grizzled dude with the funky, unkempt beard, and the Grizzerito is eating a pickled egg and he gets pieces of it stuck in his beard.Kev is so disgusted by this breach of etiquette that he gazes manfully across the prarie, and intones "This is hopeless... utterly fucking hopeless".At that precise moment, he forsakes Whitey and decides to go native.
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Yeah... cut scenes. Somewhere there's a FIVE hour cut awaiting release. Dances With Wolves: Redux lol I love that damn movie.
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the Peyote scene now...
After imbibing the foul tasting buttons Costner stumbles to his feet muttering "Where the fuck did Del go exactly?" and grizzled dude replies "Prolly down in the Fern gully dancing with smurfs or some sheeit" Kev, distracted by the sound of his own ego, breaks from staring at his fast mutating hand and looks out over the undulating landscape...whispering to himself "I'm definitely not in Kansas anymore" -
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Seriously, to save the box office take, the entire Church of Tom Cruise should be ordered to buy tickets for every showing of it. Too bad they seem to only have Giovanni Ribisi to pull for from that cast. Maybe if they make it official doctrine to hate the English, they could recruit not only Mel Gibson but also James Cameron. I'm sure Cameron will include that the U.S. Marine space fleet was actually assembled in Ireland by the Irish but they have to ride in third class steerage to make their way to the promised land of Pandora and then they are the first to get air locked - on purpose - when they are struck by comets that the blue smurfs down below summoned because they live in perfect harmony with their planet and all the bodies of the heavens. Because they religiously participate in curb side recycling after ManBearPig spoke at one of their planet-wide spear chucking conventions.
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In that scene is he wearing a U.S. Postman uniform?
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Unless Sam Worthington's 10 foot tall Na'Vi avatar scratches his ass nude and visible to the camera, this movie will bomb. Costner did that in *Dances with Wolves* and that propelled the film to box office gold. Believe it or not, at one time, Costner's bare ass was more powerful than the "magical negro" stereotype found in many Hollywood productions of the day.
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I too fall under this sometimes. If they like it...they definitely won't admit it.
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proofreader? "As someone who was played on dozens of film soundtracks, what do you think of modern film composing?" ??? That's just one. At times I felt like I needed to fumble around for my highlighter. Great article and interviews, but holy crap!
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Nov 30, 2009 12:45:02 AM CST
Also, Sam Worthington's Avatar rocks the shit in this pic:
by thewaqman
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http://tinyurl.com/yb4p7tf
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"—What? That's CGI?!"
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Just to bring up ONE more thing. It's -really- good this season.
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until like a month before the movie comes out, then all of a sudden the god damn book and video game and soundtrack come out all in the same week?
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Wow, the guy who has to see New Moon really got the shit-end of that bargain. ;)
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I don't think so, or I wouldn't have made the bet.
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I don't think so, or I wouldn't have made the bet.
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All they talk about is TDK, and they praise shit like Children of Men. Oh, and they love Bruce Campbell too, for some reason.
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The AICN Third Commandment: You shall not take The Bruce's name in vain.(Seriously, hoss... that's a big no-no in these parts).Motoko Kusanagi--- keep 'em comin', sensei. Your steadfast faith shall be rewarded in this life, and the next.
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Can't wait, and thankfully the wife didn't need any convincing to come.
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Peyote does last awhile.
Later, after trying to find Del and failing miserably, Kev stumbles into a buncha dirty hippies deep in the fern gully. They are all painted blue but something seems off, like they don't really appear photo-real to his dilated eyes. More like a Pixar movie, but half-naked. "These gotta be those fucking smurfs i heard about" he mutters. Not hearing him, they accept his presence rather quickly, even going so far as to show him how to purify his own piss so he can drink it. "Must be some environmental bullshit" he thinks. But soon their eyes begin to transform into what look like JuJuBees and feeling the Hype surging within him he starts gibbering incoherently about wanting nothing more than to "kill them and eat their eyes". But before he can manage to take off his ridiculous Postman uniform (not remembering how he got into it in the first place) and tear into these savages, one of the females just has to go and mention his gills. The shame of his future selves failed career comes hurtling back through time and lands quite violently into his exploding heart, filling him with an almost infinite remorse. He walks a few feet before collapsing, paralyzed by his own idiocy...
Then, ever so slowly, but with much clamor and shouting, a gathering maelstrom of flabby and strange-smelling geek creatures come out from under the gully. They appear through the cracks in the rocks and from various holes in the ground, with their only intent seemingly being to stare at, and mock him in his agony. They seem to take much pride and delight in his pain and begin focusing all of their attention toward it. And as his consciousness begins to be blown apart by this hyper-concentrated vortex of NERD_RAGE, he musters an ounce of RETARD_STRENGTH and looks deep into their dead and obviously mocapped eyes, saying only the words..."You don't know fuck" -
Not as long as you're using little Musashi truly & well.
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got a little carried away there..
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Inventive Sir, you appear to be peaking... on peyote or otherwise.Still, you forgot the part where the Kevmeister grabs the mic from that dunce reporter, and asks Colonel "Meat" Quadritch, "So, how did it feel to kill your first Na'vi?", and he replies "It's out there. It's a major CGI rush. Kind of radical in a bluescreen tubular event movie way. But mostly... it's OUT there".
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I was trying to avoid SPOILERS!
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DAMN, dude... ya spooked me there for a second with that subject heading. I turned around and asked my platoon of blowup dolls "Jessica #1... is me bad? Jessica #2... same question? Angelina? Megan? The rest of you?".Thankfully, none of them had an answer.OK, let's resume. Gotta love that part where the unknown soldier blows away a Na'vi, and Kev tells Colonel "Meat" Quadritch "Man, those bullets got outta here in a hurry. Sucker gets a free steak". Then he hands Quadritch a grenade and tells him "It's an EGG... hold it like an egg". Then they get into an argument about how Annie Na'vi only blows rookie avatars, but that's beside the point.
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Nov 30, 2009 5:33:46 AM CST
COLONEL '"MEAT" QUADRITCH - "DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GET THE NA'VI
by tehcreepythinman
"You see, THAT, is the real question." Kev asks "what are you on about you drunk Scot bastard and why are you giving me ths advice in a titty bar?". "Okay, here's how you get those thundersmurf cunts *hickle*, they shoot a bow and arrow at you, you unload a .50 calibre cannon right into their cocksuckers! They kill one of your men, you rape their women and children before killing, cooking and eating them before we all sit in and watch Beyond the Valley of the Dolls while picking our teeth with their bones", Kev "?!?" Meat - "You see THAT'S the Pandora way and that's how you get the Na'vi!"
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That's what I expect. Still I will go see it at the IMAX. I'll at least give my eyeballs a chance to get fucked.
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Rocco, as well as TehCreepyThinMan..love the posts guys..hilarious!
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Nov 30, 2009 6:41:35 AM CST
AVATAR has me pumped and hyped up, making me feel like a kid aga
by sherlock_junior
Thanks James!
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Well, now I've been thinking of attempting to make the lowest budget film ever, since obviously the game has been changed enough to match my original vision. This film shall be called (you guessed it) SOCKPUPPET! It will be set in the year 1997 and, using the shittiest equipment I can find, will be about a lowly bedridden (so obscenely overweight as to be paralyzed from the neck down) geek (hopefully played by Costner as I could probably afford him nowadays), who through a turn of events gains access to his twin sisters computer after her untimely death. He then begins to explore the interwebs using her specifically created online identities (i.e., SOCKPUPPETS) These having been created mainly for protection against the extreme toxicity of the strange and quite deadly new world of cyberspace messageboards. Whereupon he meets a native girl (who is really some 13 year old boy in Ohio) on the unspoiled site called AICN and falls in love with her and her peoples ways. Only to then have that new world threatened by an outside force (Chris Hansen), bent on breaking up their savage and perverted little den of film-hating cyber-rape and exploiting one of it's enormously valuable resources....HATE (I'll come up with some cool sounding sci-fi type word for it later). From just an ounce of this pure HATRED an enormous supply of revenue can be extracted. Enough revenue even to power up to ten or fifteen massively-budgeted Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich pictures.
So's you can clearly see what's at stake here. Our hero must then decide between the girl and the world he came to love (and possible jail time), or the cold and suffocating loneliness of trying to catch a glimpse of his own broken penis using strategically placed mirrors while quarantined in his mother's basement.
No ones eyes will be fucked (except the socks maybe), no one will argue over the texture of its cloth, no one will talk of its lack of originality, no one will see it at all actually, and because of this, AICN talkbackers might actually like it (I don't really believe this mind you).
For there is nothing it seems a talkbacker enjoys more than knowing something has failed (it helps them to feel better about their own manifold failings I gather), especially something that attempted to express anything without some 'splosions, terribly trite one-liners, or some flavor-of-the-week bimbot in a bikini bending over some wet machinery under a shower of CGI sparks at sunset.
And FAIL this idea shall, for I only aim to please one man....myself.
And isn't that what anonymous online masturbation is for? Yeah, I know it sucked. Do you really think I was trying to entertain you lot? Should I just go back to reading lockesbrokenleg's utterly asinine non-sequiturs instead? -
Wrap it all up and go home.
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your more than excellent contribution was a sentiment not yet heard in this here talkback. Keep it up brotha!
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Lockes trashes "The Road" without bothering to see it, and the rest of you self-important Avatar hating geeks wilfully ignore the huge MSM buzz the film is getting. You VASTLY overestimate the importance of the opinions of your rather small demographic. This thing will open huge. If it's good, and no one who hasn't seen it (which is no one, because it's still being tinkered with in post) has a valid opinion about that yet, it will make a serious run at a billion $ box office take worldwide. Fanboy hate don't mean jack shit.
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about Avatar!
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Yes I know it won't be a critical review, but surely no one is still coming to this site for a critical review, though Massa's have been very entertaining lately.
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ive no doubts about that, but i really hope i havnt spolied it from watching trailers and such.
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I hadn't read your refreshing and creative posts at the time when I wrote that, (actually I haven't read most of this talkback) so my comment doesn't apply to you. Your creativity could be used on more talkbacks...don't waste them here.
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Hey, you know, D-9 actually uses the same archetype plot as Avatar. It has oppressors and a protagonist who at first is an oppressor too, because of not knowing better but once he becomes acquainted with the oppressed as he lives with them he ends up taking their side in an armed in conflict.
There. Compare it to District 9 instead of Ferngully for a while, huh? A little more creativity, is that too hard? -
Also, the plot to Dark Knight. Guy wants to be a hero, then becomes like those he fights, and becomes percieved as a villain.
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if its original or not, hardly anything is original anymore at the movies.No one has seen the movie yet.
Ok so, we can gues anyway what the story is about and compare it to other movies but big deal!
Avatar looks like fun and that all that should matter, who cares about B.O numbers or studio budgets. I couldnt give a shit if avatar flops or not, as long as i get my money worth of entertainment, im sold. -
It's the first picture to show the Navi'i in a badass tone.
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Army of Darkness is a load of shit.
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i didnt see that
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Punks who hate the movie and have not seen it are f-ing losers. The gap toothed geeks who hate the movie because of Rothman or Fox news have pea size brains and even smaller peckers.
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There I said it. Seriously who the fuck are you people saying Avatar is a call to arms or some shit and save your money? Goddamn I would hate to be you. This movie Avatar (and I saw the 20 minute IMAX 3D presentation) is so damn great looking. It is a dream. Yea good idea dumbfucks and save your money for a far less visual impact when it comes home. There is a real sense of immersion with Avatar then can't be compared to anything else. You want to miss out on this? For what? To send a message?
Why not just be thankful there is a fully fucking tripped out original state of the art Action/Sci Fi/Fantasy film coming out. All of you hating on this are really just like the loser geek stereotype. Fat fucking smelly almost virginal angry but really just a fucking pussy dirty nerd.
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yea, i gota agree, the hate really stinks. i dont know how anyone could feel happy about someone elses failure, thats just fucking disgusting. These people really need to get in touch with themselvs.
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You're right man! I would want to read that review!! :D
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if you hate on avatar or any other movie for that matter,its not really my concern.What im worried about is how anyone could wish failure on something or someone else.
You can bet your bottom $ these people will be inline to see the movie on the 18th, contributing their $ to the over all B.O numbers that they talk about so much. Hypocrites.
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this pic: http://tinyurl.com/yb4p7tf
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What the fuck does that even mean? You read that in some press release, and you're just repeating it like some idiot parrot. "Real immersion."When was the last time you sat in a theater watching a movie and thought to yourself, "I'm not immersed. That's a set and those are actors and that's not a real explosion and those sounds are just made up and dubbed in. Damn! I want to be immersed, and I get this?"Oh, that's right. You only think about that shit when the movie is a FUCKING COMPUTER GENERATED CARTOON. "Golly, those werewolves look so fake! Nothing like the stick-figure blue cats of James The God Cameron!"Immerse me, Jimmy. Gimme a chase scene with your blue cat and some giant made-up creature and push my button and have the blue cat escape at the last second by jumping off a cliff because I've never been immersed in that cliche before!traxz101, how many bottom dollars you got, kid? Lay 'em down. On December 18th, if I want to be immersed in an animated fantasy, I'll take the kids to see the thing about the New Orleans voodoo frog.
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i like lang's work, but his character looks and acts so gay.
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Are you going by the retard's definition of gay these days (as in a substitute for the word stupid?) or are you calling his character a homosexual? He's neither from what I've seen in the trailers (actually sexual preference is still not known), he's pretty badass.
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every action film uses cliches you idiot. If they didn't then the protagonist would have been dead in the first few minutes.
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"over-used good vs. evil storyline", like every action film in existence. "Ferngully in Space" you fucking idiots actually watched Ferngully, shouldn't admit that. "Thundersmurfs" unless you're the original man who coined that phrase you're an unoriginal troll or you're a south park fan. Both are pretty bad.
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thnx bra! that looks really cool.
Why do you wana know how much i have?
thats none of your bizz. Either go or dont go, its that simple.
do you wana pay to see avatar or not? Couldnt be more simple.
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its the way he holds his cup of coffee, his pinky up in the air. but he's doing this in what seems to be directly in the midst of battle so he's a bad ass gay.
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What the hell?
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Ive only seen 3 3D movies this year and i felt real immersion with those.
Ok, some were not as good as others.
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Nov 30, 2009 12:05:02 PM CST
I agree...FERNGULLY comparisons are a little over-used...
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...After all, THE LORAX goes back much further...
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I expect written apologies sent to Mr. James Cameron from you scumsuckers come Dec 19th. Or preferably you should send photos of your ugly visages so JC can throw darts at them in his 100 ft long gold-encrusted office.Avatar - $1.5 billion grossing game-changing masterpiece. So it was writ, so shall it be.
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Yer beatin' a dead horse and trolling every TB with unwanted plugs makes you a douche to boot. Give it a rest.
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damn:P
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700-900 mill world wide. 150 - 200 mill opening wkd.
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Now would you all PLEASE go back to NOT talking about Avatar! Thanks.
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or the composer atleast.
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Don't know if you guys have seen it
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Everything has been said a thousand times. Everything has been said a thousand times by a thousand people at every movie site on teh internets. It's just geek circle-jerking now. It's time to stop with the "my opinion is better than your opinion" until somebody has actually seen the entire film. It's ruining the experience, even if a great many of the people saying the same thing over and over don't realize it. We had a ton of great discussions on this thread yesterday/last night and none of them were angry bashfests because they WEREN'T ABOUT AVATAR! So please, hows the weather where you live today?
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... how many people actually listened to and read the interviews? Because then you might have something new to say. But really, no. It's all been said. Probably by the people in this thread right now. Nothing new can be said or known until the film is in theaters. Box office has been discussed. Cameron has been bashed beyond all possible belief. Gayness has ALREADY been discussed. It's been compared to every film ever put to celluloid and every concept captured thusly, as well. There is simply nothing more to say until even ONE of you has actually seen the film.
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Don't assume you know what the fuck you are talking about and don't fucking judge me dude. Look man I will explain what I meant when I said that Avatar has a real sense of immersion. Have you ever listened to the Beatles (like the White album) when you were on Shrooms, Salvia, or Acid? Seeing Avatar at the 3D IMAX presentation was kind of like that. It was way beyond these other 3D movies. I was seeing the tress and the brush on Pandora kind of around me. It was almost like being in the room with the soldiers when Lang came walking into it. The Lab room was a goddamn trip. When Jake's Avatar stood up disoriented. The camera moving around him. I could let myself suspend disbelief and become involved in the moment. Like almost intimitely. It is an experience I haven't had with a movie in my adult life. Its like seeing something fantastic as a kid. I was seeing Avatar like that.
Not pr not bullshit. I am not sure how else to explain it. It was a very immersive experience. I experienced it. My Bother and wife did (who was also at the presentation). Its fanfuckingtastic. -
Nov 30, 2009 1:29:40 PM CST
Lets talk Avatar box office and Blue Cat gayness!
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Because it seems some aholes think they have a right to tell others in this thread what to say and think and write. Well fuck that! I think Avatar is big live action/cartoon movie that will do big business. Game changing, no. Break all time BO record? No. But it will NOT flop. That I guarantee. Discuss!
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Just peruse the Nolan TB (currently #2) and you will understand the retarded shut-in you are dealing with. He don't know jack-shit. I think he is a pedo as well. So keep the kiddies away from him.
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If you're interested, the CoC now resides here http://moonwolves.wordpress.com/Clickk on Burt Gummers Rec Room for the discussion page.
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I was wondering where everyone went.
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That was terrible.
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in here, the avatar debate is abit boring ill admit, but its fun.
i dont think its earth shattering or anything, wellci havnt seen it but im asmuing it wont be.
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I know it probably will air the same old footage, but I'll watch.
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I think there is some kinda avatar special on wensday that runs up until the 18th. but each one is like 12 mins long, that will be packed with spoilers. so i intend to stay away from those.
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Nov 30, 2009 2:35:26 PM CST
James Cameron to take over Notre Dame football
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
First order of business -to rename 'Touchdown Jesus', Touchdown Jimmy!
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Thanks for the link. "Terry Bradshaw in Avatar."http://tinyurl.com/yhlftkl
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And the "Hail Mary" to be renamed the..."HAIL CAMERON"
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And the Fighting Irish will be renamed the Fightin Canucks!
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Fighting Irish is name of Notre Dame Universitys' Athletic teams.
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ok cool.
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Michigan.......WolverinesUCLA....BruinsOhio State......Buckeyes.
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Tight holiday season, and the extra cost for 3D tickets will work against it...on top of that, people will probably wait out the DVD rather than pay the lower ticket price for 2D.
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fucking charged me 14 bucks for one fucking ticket!
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As in, I'd sooner get avatered out here in the middle of nowhere than lose face in front of my friends and family.
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You can't debate something that doesn't freaking exist yet! Buncha verbal wankage. It can NEVER live up to the bullshit that you guys are heaping upon it. Never. It's just a movie, and you haven't seen it yet! lol
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THIS movie is pure cinematic gold. Haters and trolls are in pure existential denial.
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You queer, autistic pedophile, I thought we agreed you were going to kill yourself.
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the film excists,ive seen the footage and trailers. we all have.
There is no such thing as non-excisting. anyway,
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Probably not.
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I also saw the 16 minutes of Imax 3D footage and was just as blown away as you. I was at Navy Pier in Chicago, and the whole crowd really seemed to be on the same page as both of us.
I saw a movie this weekend, and the 3 1/2 minute trailer played in front of it, and NO ONE laughed or booed. On the contrary, the entire auditorium seemed to be pretty impressed. It was a sold-out showing of NINJA ASSASSIN, btw, not some kids film. It got, by far, the most positive response of all the trailers shown, which included THE WOLF MAN, SHERLOCK HOLMES, and KICK-ASS (which DID get laughed at and mocked…not a good response at all…I would assume that most of the people in the theatre are not aware of the comics, and to them it must have looked terrible).
On top of that, there were a bunch of promos during football yesterday, and I was at a family function with about 35 other people watching the games, and all of them were talking about how cool AVATAR looked. They are perfect examples of the “average person”, as opposed to a movie geek like me, and since they know I keep on top of movie news, and some of them knew I saw the 16 minute presentation, they were all asking me about the movie because to them it looked like something worth seeing. When I listed Cameron’s complete filmography (minus PIRAHNA 2), they were universally excited.
I think the reason some of these haters think the average person is unaware of this movie or thinks it looks terrible is because they only interact with people on Xbox live, and those people are generally the worst pieces of shit in existence.
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id much rather hear someone talking sence about avatar rather than hating on it blindly.
I didnt get the chance to see the imax footage,sux i know.
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according to Jon Fav's twitter.
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Fuck Spymunk and his 'actionless' bullshit.Spacezilla, I agree. The 3D aspect is indeed a peculiar experience like no other. Like being in some kind of heightened hyper-reality. I remember at one point in the forest scenes I actually reached up to brush away some fucking flies I thought were in the theater, before reaising that they were actually fireflies buzzing about in the foreground of the foliage on the film! There are that many subtle layers of depth and points of perception.
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Nov 30, 2009 4:39:31 PM CST
This century is only 8 years old! (it started in 2001, you know?
by asimovlives
This century is not even a decade old! So, yeah, maybe Avatar is one of the most anticipated movies of THIS CENTURY, the 21th one.
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Nov 30, 2009 4:44:06 PM CST
AsimovLives, most people don't go by the Gregorian calendar
by turd_has_risen_from_the_grave
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"I remember at one point in the forest scenes I actually reached up to brush away some fucking flies I thought were in the theater, before reaising that they were actually fireflies buzzing about in the foreground of the foliage on the film!"
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any more Avatar footage. Must resist. Must... resist...
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It's finally gone quiet on this thread. The lack of Ava-vitriol is making me uncomfortable. Can't have folk actually, y'know, looking forward to the movie...
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You know hating on everything, it's an AICN prerequisite!
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The Hobbit will SUCK! And it won't make any MONEY! I won't see this MOVIE!Bollocks. I'm just not convincing at that stuff...
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That's always a good place to start...
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On the Avatar poster, the font is definitely in the wrong shade of blue. FAIL!
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has anyone mentioned that one?
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Uncle's doctors chiropodist told me the Navi aren't even real.
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He said he's been to Pandora, so I guess he should know!
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They're made of something called cee-gee-eye. Gross.
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Gone midnight. It's December here!Ciao.
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your posting method is totally obnoxious and troll-like. why are you spamming this talkback?
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cameron has an ok track record and has made a couple of good movies, but this looks like a big miss-step. this movie is new and 'cutting edge'. but, to me this movie looks dated. i can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels like its from the early 1990's or late 1980's.
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interesting. the people posting on this site who are excited to see avatar are instantly flaming anybody who expresses any kind of negative opinion about avatar. and im not talking about the "trolls" (a term that is thrown around far too loosely in these talkbacks). im talking about a label that is put on anyone who post more than one negative opinion about avatar. the fanbase for this movie and james cameron seems pretty rabid.
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and im not flamming anyone.
ive said already, i dont think its gona be as big as cameron thinks.
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Maybe it's because those of us who ARE looking forward to seeing this movie are sick and tired of all the fuckers on here trying to tell us WE'RE the assholes for giving this movie a chance. Maybe it's because losers like Trannyformers and people who suffer from multiple personality disorder like Spymunk have an act that is getting really fucking old. And maybe, just maybe, we are sick of people constantly shitting on everything that hits the screen, even movies that NO ONE HAS SEEN.
When the Youtube generation snot-nosed hipster faggots on this site take quotes out of context or simply make shit up, try to rewrite history and devalue the great entertainment that Cameron has provided in the past (HE is ripping off HALO? The whole fucking thing is a rip-off of ALIENS tech), and make half-retarded statements based on misinformation, I, for one, think this should be pointed out. And ridiculed. -
all the crap realy stinks.
avatar looks really cool, and i cant wait to see it, i dont know anyone who dosnt wana see it.
People like to talk about the cgi,
which i gota say...its breathtaking.The story seems interesting too,who cares if its like dances with wolves,that movie is fooking amazing
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...very telling. The story is a throwback to a lot more than just the Costner film: by Cameron's own admission in more than one interbiew it is inspired by classic jungle adventure stories like the work of Rudyard Kipling and H. Rider Haggard, and the pulp-era planetary romance genre best exemplified by the work of Edgar Rice Burroughs. But those names mean nothing to a generation of "movie fans" who weren't even born when I saw ALIENS in the theatre, and who probably weren't potty-trained when I saw TERMINATOR 2. So of course a generation of people addicted to WoW and Xbox live don't appreciate the things Cameron has done. I get that. But don't confuse your ignorance of pop culture history with taste.
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...they scream about DANCES WITH WOLVES instead of A PRINCESS OF MARS, because they have no idea what the fuck the latter is.
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...are probably people who were burned by EPISODE I and have been jaded, bitter fucks ever since. That's what happens, people, when you live your life for geek shit like movies and video games: when one doesn't live up to the hype, it fucking crushes your whole world. So I think these same people whose lives revolve around the consumption of entertainment have been shielding themselves ever since from anything that might otherwise get their geek motors running. I hated PHANTOM MENACE as much as anyone, but it's just a movie. I will always have my wonderful memories of the classic trilogy, and nothing can ever take that away from me. I simply didn't let it ruin STAR WARS for me, let alone prevent me from ever being able to get excited for another movie ever again. I think it's very telling that in this and other talkbacks, the people who are most excited for this film seem to be the older posters on here...people with real jobs and families...in other words, with more shit to worry about that whether or not AVATAR is going to live up to the hype. Having adult responsibilities tends to put things in perspective, but I don't expect a high school kid whose only contact with the outside world is Facebook to get that.
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That AZURIK trailer I posted is just every single fucking thing wrong with sci-fi/fantasy. "Restore the disks!"
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I wish you could have seen the Imax footage, dude, because words literally cannot describe how insane it was to see those clips on an 80 foot screen in the best 3D ever. Some of the visuals were so fucking spellbinding--the glowing jungle at night in particular--that they are, hands down, some of the most beautiful images I have ever seen on film.
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and T2, hmmm i just finnished potty training lol. But im respectful toward all film, im a student in film school
( i suck tho...:) and the first thing they teach you is too respect the art, regardless of the director or script.
Ive never bad mouthed a movie, coz i love em all, even phantom menace.
My being happy dosnt rely on the success or the failure of a movie.
I just love going to the movies, thats what ive been interested in since i was 8 years old.
Avatar looks great, the concept sounds great , and im sure people will have a blast at the cinema.
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Well, what makes you different than most of the other fucks on here the same age as you is the fact that, as a film student, you actually know what the fuck you're talking about. One word of advice, from someone with a film degree...minor in film, major in something that will help you get a good-paying day job while you are trying to break in. And intern with a producer in Hollywood if you can. Networking is the most important thing.
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I have a feeling most of these little assholes are know-it-all teenagers.
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aw well, im in the uk, (irish) hollywood is a far off dream right now man. I wana make films at home first, yea im also studying IT. it will help pay for what i need, kind of a b-plan in some respect.
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at home :P my country.
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Cocksucker.
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Better troll every thread before you find a new one.
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You missed the unicycle.
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...like a fucking cartoon.
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if it looks like a cartoon, and that dosnt suit you then dont go to see it. imo, it dosnt look anything like a cartoon. i duno what footage you have been watching.
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I told someone I would.
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so sorry, there are no shots of taylor lautner shirtless in Avatar. You need to stick with your mormon paedo nu moon wankfest. signed: your friend
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I'm getting seriously fucking tired of having my character defamed and my life threatened. :(
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to turn back from your preconceived notions fellas.
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That is one awesome spot BlackIronPrison.
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... in that spot, you almost never see the Na'avi and the humans up against each other? Hmmm ...
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harping on that same tired shit SpyMunk?
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do u mean like you would like to b up against...oh, say...taylor lautner, shirtless of course. Hmmm...signed: your friend
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Just making an observation. The key point is that I've said a bunch of times that I suspect the action in this movie will be a lot of "Our weapon are ineffective against it!" stuff, where you don't actually see any carnage. I am led to believe, hopefully with a correct assumption, that this was Cameron's intent and not a mandate of the studio. I'm not harping. I'm giving the movie the benefit of the doubt and I will be seeing it. So what more do you want?
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see that? Who said that we would? Who exactly are you talking to? Do advertisements show you everything? Do you think anybody cares about what you want from this? Will you mention your promise to southafricanguy again? Do autistic people lie? Do you grasp at understanding things, but fail more often than not? Are you desperate for some kind of acknowledgment? When confronting something that you don't know anything about, do you pick out one arbitrary detail and elevate it in importance over all others? Do you assume to know how this shit is done? Would you tell Hendrix that he's doing it wrong, then compare him to Justin Timberlake (cause he's soo cute)? Would you presume to have an opinion about something you clearly have not done your homework on? Do you ever consider watching Full Metal Jacket when you're actually inclined towards something a little more like Grease? Will you ever make a movie yourself and show all the things you want to see in a film? And if not, will you just go watch the ones you actually like instead of jumping on the latest bandwagon because that's where everybody else is at? Ever seen a gay guy try to act straight around other macho types? Ever seen how painfully obvious it is, and wish they would just be themselves and stop trying so fucking hard to fit in and be liked by people they obviously have nothing in common with?
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I only respond and repeat because people seem not to recognize what I am saying. Any time someone on here says "Spymunk, eat shit and die!" I have to explain AGAIN why there's no reason to be hostile.Your "homework' comment smacks of the kind of flak BLAIR WITCH was getting from haters and the response of people. "You just don't know the source mateiral!" "You haven't been to the website!" Well, guess what? I shouldn't NEED to do homework to interpret the commercial of a movie. It should sell itself to me. Heck, we get trailers where they have to give Indy's friend artificial CGI pants because they need to hide guns, or trailers that excise the American flag because it's anathema to the rest of the world. Fuck them. We're big boys in the USA. We can handle those things. Same with AVATAR. If it was Cameron's intent to have the watered-down level of violence from his previous movies, great. Me? I want the end of AVATAR to look like A BRIDGE TOO FAR (my favorite war movie ever made). if it doesn't, it'll be the hopefully-compelling story and characters that will win me over or not. I've talked about NEW MOON over and over - you know the #1 reason I like those books? I like the characters. Jacob, Seth, Alice, Aro and the Volturi, even Edward about 50 percent of the time. And Bella, too. I'll put up with a low budget if it means compelling characters.
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my questions or did you just use them, the movie, and the attention it's getting as a soapbox for your quite frankly totally ridiculous thoughts and expectations about cinema? Did you just interpret my questions as an excuse to talk more useless bullshit? Do you assume to know what kind of homework I was referring to? When someone asks you about the weather, do you respond by talking about your own bowel movements? Is it possible to be any more self-absorbed? Ever heard of a rhetorical question? Do you even know what rhetorical means?
Oh yeah, and NOT ONE PERSON IN THIS TALKBACK CARES IN THE FUCKING SLIGHTEST WHAT YOU LIKE ABOUT TWILIGHT OR WHAT YOU WANTED THIS MOVIE TO BE. Just saying it loud, because you seem a little s-s-s-ss-s-s-s-s-l-loo-owwww... -
homework. But, let's be honest, eh? This film is rated PG-13. There will be no 'carnage'. That's not what the point of the story (i.e. human and alien destruction). Can you name a 2 and a half hour, $200 million dollar film that's rated 'R' or '18'? It's not going to happen. Look at the "Star Wars" saga—are you insisting that Lucas should have shown repeated shots of decapitations, characters split in half, characters blown apart in space ships and telekinetic fight scenes that rival "Scanners" in viscera? Wrong movie mate. This isn't "Robocop" or "Starship Troopers" and if you want this film to be those movies then your mistaken.By the way, "A Bridge Too Far" is a 'PG' rated film!
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Pardon my 'Grammar' It's been a long day.
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Except that every couple of minutes, Lucas severs arms, legs, heads, splits bodies in half, lightsabers off the heads of kids and dads and adults and children, explodes buildings/ships full of people, etc. STAR WARS films are pretty effing violent, man! And he doesn't tend to cut away from the violence, showing it for what it is! Bloody arms on the ground of the Cantina, Han Shot First, etc. Awesome stuff for sci-fi to show.
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I never said I wanted it to have that kind of carnage. I do think it's what the American viewing public wants and the perception it's not there is one of the things that's hurting AVATAR (note the sudden shift in the ad campaign away from close-ups of Na'Avi saying "This is great!" (which caused everyone to respond "No, no, it's really not!") and toward more violent imagery?).
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I have nothing against you on any kind of personal level. But your constant endless posts on this thread alone are enough to make me angry in an internets kinda way. Duuuuuuuuuuuuude! ITS! ALL! BEEN! SAID! Shit, you've said everything there could ever possibly be to be said about a movie that no one has seen more than 20 minutes of. Chillfuckinlax, dude! Go read some other threads. Think about something other than Avatar. Shit, go outside! Read a book. Jack off to internet porn. Something. Just back the hell off of avatar for a couple weeks. I PROMISE you it will improve both your mental health and your eventual enjoyment of the film.
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Just not nudity. Also, ad campaigns - good ones at least - often change their tone during the time before a film is release. It helps create and build interest and excitement. However, Thus, dude... lol... people totally dis you and you just keep on talking like it's all cool. It's not. You need a break homey.
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You are the cancer that is killing cinema. For all that bile you've spewed about fanboys, you're ending up as the absolute fulfillment of that dreaded disease. Thanks a lot dickhead.
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— The turning point of RoTS? When the all-powerful Jedi are SHOT IN THE BACK?! I can only remember 1 shot of a body split in half and that was Episode 1. Do we ever see these bodies onscreen? The one moment of 'gore' in the entire 'Star Wars' canon is the Tauntaun in Episode V. Everything else is essentially 'suggested' through editing. There's VERY little blood (lightsabers cauterize the wounds, I would assume), actually it's around the same amount that you see in the 'Avatar' chase seen coming from Jake's Na'vi avatar nose.Was there a ton of gore in Spielberg's "War of the Worlds"? No gore at all. Say what you want about the movie but, the action scenes are impeccably staged and they are full of adrenaline.
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Where is the 'carnage' in that movie? There's more carnage in 'Jaws' then in that movie.
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I'd call a horde of people covered in dust made of human flesh a pretty gory image.
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— but the public is looking at the strangeness of the movie. I think they're looking to find an 'identification point for their experience'— and that happens to be part of the actual story of 'Avatar' so, it needs to be seen in context.Most of the comments I've seen about the 3 min trailer have been "Wow. That looks pretty crazy—what the hell is that about?" It's all about curiosity, not necessarily 'excitement' but, the interest level is definitely there.
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of the film. If you watch the trailer all you see is the crowd running. It just looks like an 'epic disaster movie'.
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I don't remember any squirm worth scenes in "Terminator 2" but, the action was exciting. I'm still not sure why "True Lies" was rated 'R' (language maybe?) but, the action wasn't more explicit than "Goldeneye" that was released a year later.I don't expect 'Avatar' to be less violent than any of those movies and plenty of material in the scenes and trailers I've seen suggests that I'm correct. Cameron is probably aiming for something like "Lawrence of Arabia" in terms of explicitness. "LoA" with Xenosaurs.
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Random talkbacker- "Hey SpyMunk, did anyone ask your opinion?"
SpyMunk- "Well New Moon is actually really gory and deep and Edward, etc..and I think Americans want more violence so that's why I'm the only one on the biggest geek site in the world complaining about the lack of hard-core carnage in those Avatar commercials, oh and my opinion is also a fact cause I'm autistic and we don't lie. Because I've found the less I actually listen to anybody, the more sense I make to myself and myself alone. Why does everybody want to hurt me? I'm only telling them they're wrong and I'm right. I didn't even need to pay any attention to them, as my autism gives me super insight into the deepest and darkest recesses of my own anus. I'm also going to see it cause I promised blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"....ad nauseum
Random talkbacker- "Every word you say is suspect and is like a turd falling out of your mouth and into my drink." -Bill Hicks -
A legend.
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I haven't, but I'd really like to. Need to remember to try and make that happen.
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There is a way to express your frustration with other talkbackers without making it a personal attack. Especially when you've said you're never going to respond to their posts again. *cough*
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Russell Crowe has had the rights to it the last I'd heard. I like Russell, but he doesn't quite seem to fit the part in my opinion. Not really sure who could do it justice though. My friend thinks John Cusack at least looks kinda like him. Who do you think could pull it off?
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Sorry, I just watched Cliffhanger.
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I really dig the guy, too - I've just noticed he's really looking his age lately. And Crowe is really too old at this point, too. Plus, I think getting somebody that SOUNDS like him would be really important.
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I really dig the guy, too - I've just noticed he's really looking his age lately. And Crowe is really too old at this point, too. Plus, I think getting somebody that SOUNDS like him would be really important.
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Shit!
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Probably would get an unknown.
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Crowe does seem way too old. And in all honesty he seems better suited to meaty and intense dramas. Bill's story does need that, but it also needs that certain kinda berserker wit/rage that our man Bill fucking patented. Something I've never really seen in any of Russell's performances.
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—don't know if it's still there.
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Maybe Sam Rockwell? Can he get ferocious?
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Methinks you're onto something. Rockwell seems perfect actually. Never seen him do ferocious, that I can remember at least, but he's definitely got intensity. To play Bill you'd have to have that insane rage he was capable of, but also exude that easy southern charm as well. And everything I've seen of Rockwell's work would indicate he's the man for the job. Besides, I'll bet there's more than a few of us that have just been waiting for Sam to finally get the recognition he deserves. Excellent choice blak!! You should be a casting director or some shit!
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whats going on?? The same old shit. And look! The same old dead horses being flogged by the same people....
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no interest in Avatar, or you can see that its just not your thing, then thats awsome. But what the fuck are you doing here repeating the same shit again and again? Fuck off and go post in talkbacks/forums for something that does interest you. No-one going to change to your mind (nevermind that none of us have seen this film) and you sure as hell are not going to change the minds of those of us interested in this film. Seriously....as the other dude said, go outside, watch porn, stop thinking/obsessing over Avatar, you will probably be much happier....
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http://tinyurl.com/rzm8h
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its got that real cameron feel to it.
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so sorry for your loss. signed: your friend
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alot of heat in here today!
avatar-bashing again? lol
i just gota laugh at those people,
actualy i feel sorry for them...avatar seems like a simple enough concept to grasp and like.
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"...take heart in the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
and reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
it could only be worse in Milwaukee..." signed: your friend -
i dont have a dog, and i have no idea what milwaukee is.
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That felt good, had to get it out, now life may resume as normal.The more I see of Avatar the more I am interested in it. I remain cautiously optimistic, still not convinced this is going to be the greatest movie of all time, but I think it's gonna rock us with its action at the very least.
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movie of all time man, they said it would be a game-changer.
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my teacher, mrs.ellen foley, says it's not nice to say bad words, and she's the smartest fucker i know so i'll take her word for it.r u gonna see it in imax 3-d? after seeing the comic con footage in 3-d i can't imagine not seeing it that way. signed: your friend
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sorry about that. signed: your friend
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Probably 2D, as I am dirt poor so I need to save every penny I can, besides with Christmas right around the corner I have 3 kids to worry about getting presents for. So I am thinking matinee showing at a reduced price LOL.
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2D or 3D, im sure you will have a good time.
3D tickets are abit expensive tho.
i pay £8 for only one.
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Dec 01, 2009 2:24:11 PM CST
i wish the Watchmen movie had this much hate towards it
by lockesbrokenleg
before that came out, because that movie actually deserved to be shit on.
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Small minded, ignorant, mean-spirited, petty little assholes who can only make themselves be better by praying for successful, creative people to fall on there ass in order to feel better about sitting on there own for there whole lives. If any of you haters don't live in that shithole of a swamp, make the move now. Your bretheren await your arrival. Now go get your fuckin' shinbox!
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...just stop responding to the haters and circle-jerking "my opinion is right and yours is wrong even though nobody has seen it yet" and they'll stop posting ad nauseam. Since I think it's actually a valid topic of conversation, for once, I'm going to check it out in 3D. It's not my preferred way to watch movies as it actually (still) hurts my head and doesn't always work properly. But I dig the technology side of film-making (it's why I can forgive EP1... a little), so I'll give it a chance. The people who caught the preview in 3D seem to be pretty impressed with it, anyway.
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I'm not from Florida, but I am curious, where are you from?
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I am so NOT feeling anything about this movie. Is Cameron over-reaching on all this tech advancement? I know I need to give it the benefit of the doubt and I will see it but man I just don't feel any excitement at all!!!!!
The trailers have just not moved me at all!!!! Just being honest guys!!!!!
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The last airbender than this effects heavy piece of crap
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because there are no fx in the last airbender? Oh wait, thats complete bullshit. The last airbender will also be very effects heavy. And its made by Shayamalan, who we all know is a master of action filmaking, and has maintained a consistent filmography that has never relied on gimmicks, all the while never allowing his ego to get in the way of his film making......*sarcasm mode* deactivated
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hate directed at it because that smug self important film was based on a fanboy holy grail that many grew up reading. And we all know how a certain segment of fanboys love their Hollywood nostalgia blowjobs. Plus it was adapted from a comic book, thus its instantly "cool" to a certain segment of fanboys. pretty funny how it nose dived in its second week after the word of mouth got out from those non-fanboys that went to see it based on Warners advertising campaign, and it was nt what they were expecting....
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finally got their Watchmen film. God knows they waited long enough for it to find its way through development hell.....
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part of the world dude?
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if its just not working for you, then its just not.
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the Watchmen was a steaming pile of turd. Yet this whole place was wanking off in anticipation for such an apparently shitty adaptation.
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Which one should I choose to watch Avatar? I really don't want my experience ruined by choosing the inferior format here when I'm watching this since I'm so hyped for it.
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we have at the moment. Alongside Phillip Seymour Hoffman.
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See it on Imax. I saw the 16 minute Imax preview and based on my experience that is how I will be seeing the film.
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You people want to label us trolls just because we choose to call a spade a spade which offends your sensibilities because you choose to defend Cameron's poorly written $300 million bomb. I'm sure there were more than a few people that defended properties like "Leonard Part 6", "Cutthroat Island", and "Ishtar" back in the day, otherwise they wouldn't have been greenlit. That still doesn't change the fact that they all sucked. I know I am not going to pay $14 to see a remake of the second half of "Return of the Jedi" all CGI'ed up and support the director who believes his work is original. Fox could have used the money on producing 3 other $100 million films which in today's market would've helped the SoCal economy out much more, not to mention increase the possibility of the shareholders not getting taken to the cleaners...
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Dec 02, 2009 2:21:20 AM CST
Criticism of the critics is sound. ..but bitch all you want
by mandrakeroot
No one cares, seriously. Avatar looks awesome, it will most likely be great, and the haters will be in line to see it as well despite the constant nonsense and babble. A few self-loathing nerds on AICN talkbacks means fuck all.
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Then what calendar they go by? The julian? The roman calendar? The OUTDATED IN THE 16TH CENTURY roman julian calendar? Really?
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James Horner certainly talks the talk, and i can understand why so many filmmakers still want to work with him and have him do their movie's score. But the thing is, despite he still talk the talk, Horner no longer walks the walk. And he's one terribly self-deluded man if he things there's original stuff in his score for Avatar. From the samples i heard from, i have heard everything before, either from him or from somebody else.Horner talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk anymore.
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and walks the walk, then maybe he can talk while he walk.
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