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Viggo Mortensen chats THE ROAD with Quint!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my chat with Mr. Viggo Mortensen about THE ROAD. I conducted this interview at the Telluride Film Festival shortly after the chat I did with director John Hillcoat which itself was just after watching the movie. I really enjoyed The Road and I approached it as a fan of the book, so I went in a bit cynically. Hopeful, but more with an attitude of “you need to prove you didn’t screw this up.” And I don’t feel they didn’t. The book is the book, the movie is the movie, but the movie is faithful in all the right areas. It’s dark, it’s bleak, it goes places you’d never guess a studio film would go, but all to serve the overall story: that of a father/son relationship put under the harshest of tests. We talk a lot about the story and the book, so I’ve spoiler-tagged this article. To make extra double sure, be it known this interview has a few spoilers of basic story points and we tread over some more serious spoilers occasionally as well. Hope you dig the chat! Enjoy!

Quint: We never met, but I came out to New Zealand during the pick ups for RETURN OF THE KING.

Viggo Mortensen: We shot a lot of stuff in a hurry during that period. You must have seen a lot.

Quint: It was fascinating, because I would be in Rivendell one day and then the next day would be Pathes of The Dead and the next day it would be something else.

Viggo Mortensen: They showed that in a clip last night, it was weird.

Quint: What was that?

Viggo Mortensen: The Pass of The Dead showed. For me, I’m watching that and I’m thinking of how we all felt and how it was getting towards the end. It was very close to the end when we were doing the last parts of that, in fact my last shot was something from that, one of the shots where I’m running with Legolas and Gilmi. That was my very last shot of that whole thing, but looking basically at me just talking to nothing.

Quint: Yeah.

Viggo Mortensen: That’s what it was and all of these crew members that had become like a family and that whole emotional feeling of finishing the movie in four years and all of that stuff. That’s what I was thinking about. (Laughs) Watching it was a bit bizarre, but it was amazing.

Quint: My friends and I feel like Wellington’s a second home. Everybody was so welcoming and the country is just so beautiful…

Viggo Mortensen: It’s great there. Have you gone back?

Quint: Many times, yeah. One day I would like to do the dual-citizenship thing and get a house there. Sorry, I’m going to waste this whole time talking about Wellington! (laughs) I saw The Road this morning and…

Viggo Mortensen: Was that the first time you had seen it?

Quint: It was the first time I had seen it and I am a big fan of the book, obviously. Anybody who has read it probably feels the same way.

Viggo Mortensen: How did you feel, honestly?

Quint: Honestly, I think it’s two different experiences, because there’s something about the way Cormac McCarthy uses words that work only in a novel form. There isn’t a way to translate that to cinema, there’s the hypnotic use of language…

Viggo Mortensen: We had to distill it. It would have been too repetitive in a movie.

Quint: Yeah and it’s not a slight on the film at all, I really like the movie a lot and I think it’s a different experience, but it captures the same feeling if that makes any sense.

Viggo Mortensen: I felt it was, too, and I was relieved that the audiences… It was interesting to see it with a real audience, because a lot of those people are not involved in the show business at all, which was interesting with the audiences here, like a couple in their fifties from Iowa talking about their son and I’m like “Wow…” and just seeing generally how they were moved and affected by what’s tough about it and obviously believed it and felt it, you know, like we were getting there on an emotional level, but that they were ultimately interested enough and uplifted enough to want to express how they felt about it, last night even more so, because they had a longer time, but out on the street, too. People keep coming up to me and talking about it, so there’s something that we got and talking about it in the same way that people have talked to me about the book, “You guys better get it right, because I feel like this about it!” Now people are saying “Yeah, the movie made me feel.” Its very similar, the essence of it, what that relationship is and how you feel about what the boy and the man go through towards the end of the book, because when I read the book, I was going “Okay…” Once I was onboard, like “I’m doing it. Okay… First of all, I’ve got to get there and I’ve got to keep believable that worry level and fear always in my mind and somehow balance that and just do it. I’ve got to go there and there’s no place to hide,” which is the challenge and the thing that’s interesting as an actor. There’s no tricks or gimmicks, it’s got to be raw and real.

Quint: Raw emotion.

Viggo Mortensen: Yeah, but it’s got to have a lot of layers to it. It can’t just be random outbursts or something. Then reading, especially after rereading the book, it was like “Where are they going to find a boy that can do that? That can do that technically, but who can balance everything and create a relationship.” And they did!

Quint: It’s tough to find that innocence that’s not precocious, you know? I thought he pulled it off.

Viggo Mortensen: Totally and he could speak intelligently on any given day and he could do the most… Because the proof is in what happens when they say “Action,” not whatever you talk about or how much you practice or any of that shit, it’s “What do you do when something happens that’s unexpected?” That’s what you are hoping for, really whether you realize it or not. You can prepare the camera, the script, rehearse the actor and costumes, the weather’s perfect, but unless something happens like you but that here and you mean it to do that and it does that, you are like “Oh shit, it’s rolling… ugh…” and everything’s different or suddenly Robert Duvall says “Yeah, I had a kid…” and you are like “That’s not in the script, but that’s fucking perfect!”

Quint: Duvall was phenomenal.

Viggo Mortensen: Kodi would do that everyday. If he did it once or twice, you would go “Okay, well the kid’s lucky and he’s alive to the possibilities,” but he constantly used accidents and strange things and made them into something. He made something out of nothing every fucking day. It wasn’t just an accident. This kid has an understanding that someone like Duvall does. It was no accident that within a few minutes of working with Kodi, we are out on the road, we shot that in order, and we find him and he wants to give him food, but I don’t, and Duvall was saying “Where’d they get the kid?” “Where’d they get the guy?” He says, “Where is he from?” I go, “He’s Australian.” “He’s Australian?” “What has he done?” He was talking about a contemporary. He recognized somebody who approached acting in the same way he did.

Quint: You were also saying, during the Q&A, where like off camera he got to be a kid and was just fun, where it’s not like an adult in a kid’s body.

Viggo Mortensen: A lot of kids are doing that, but then it’s like “Come on, you’ve got to pay attention.” No, he would go “Ahh” and then go into this terrible world and I would believe it so much that it was like… when Duvall threw me the “I had a boy once…” it was the same thing. Kodi would always… He would look at me and say something and I totally believed it every fucking time. That’s amazing that he could balance the two.

Quint: Obviously you had a real connection with him and I think that shows on the screen, but did that make it more difficult or in some ways easier for…

Viggo Mortensen: The emotional stuff?

Quint: It’s not just the emotional stuff, but like the scene that I think… and it got gasps in the screening, was when you are in the house and you think that you are going to get discovered and you have the gun to his head…

Viggo Mortensen: Yeah, it was pretty intense and Kodi really went there. He really imagined that whole thing in an amazing way, like that last scene we have also. It was intense, but I really felt like… I didn’t even have to really think about it, I had a partner who was going to go all the way. He was going to go as far as I was and further, like this sort of “Tag, you’re it!” Each take was like “Let’s go more.” It’s fun. I mean, it’s scary, but if you are in it together, then you go to a place that you on your own… If I’m with a kid who is limited or can’t do what he can do, then I’m having to always push, but it was what it should have been, it was equally committed so there would be things that he would do suddenly and it would make me go to another place and then I would throw something back. I never doubted for one second that anything I threw at him, that he wouldn’t just bat it right back somehow. He would just pull something out of nowhere and so I was constantly amazed.

Quint: I have to say, another thing that really affected me was hearing you talk about your relationship with your own son, how you use movies to bond with him. That really touches me deep. With my parents, we didn’t really bond with movies. There were some movies, like my dad loved the spaghetti westerns and my mom liked legal dramas and horror movies and some of that would overlap, but all of my closest relationships, all of my closest friendships, everything you were describing…

Viggo Mortensen: You relate to movies…

Quint: It’s like; we will get on these kicks. Literally two weeks ago I went on an Elliot Gould kick and watched ten Elliot Gould movies in a row that I hadn’t seen before.

Viggo Mortensen: Yeah, yeah. He could have just as easily, I suppose, been a child who wasn’t in to that. It was great that he was, because we then went there together like to an obsessive degree. Then I’d say, “But you’ve really got to finish your homework.”

Quint: It almost made it like a treat.

Viggo Mortensen: “Oh my God it’s eleven, well I think there’s like 28 minutes to go, do you want to watch all of it now or do you want to get up really early, have breakfast, brush your teeth, and then we can watch the other before school?” “Let’s watch it now!” I said, “Well, don’t get mad at me when I wake you up all grumpy. Remember!” There would be these deals, but it was interesting. There’s one thing I wanted to say about the film-book relationship and how they are different… Did I talk about Charlize [Theron] as far as that role?

Quint: No.

Viggo Mortensen: I think that there it’s different, but for me and it’s nothing against the book version of the woman, but to me there was an improvement or there are more layers to it somehow, because although it’s essentially the same character and the rumors of “It’s greatly expanded…” It’s not true. It’s no more than the book, really.

Quint: I think it’s the trailer that got people worried, because it almost makes it look in the trailer like she is on the road with you guys.

Viggo Mortensen: Yeah, well they are selling whatever and half of the footage in that trailer… I don’t think they will do that anymore, because now they are starting to relax and realize that people actually like the movie on it’s own terms. You know more about that than me, how they sell things and you go “Oh God” and then you go and that scene’s not there and so forth, but I got it more. I believed that she actually had a good point, that her opinion was as good as mine, that I disagreed… as that character I disagreed, and you could see as an audience, “Yeah, she’s got a right to say that. She may well be right.” There are moments later in regretting and when we are really down to it, down to one bullet, that I was thinking about that, like “She was fucking right!” That’s why I remember that scene, because I’m thinking about that stuff and somehow that got across that her decision, even though I disagreed and it’s like “No, you’re not taking the kid” and she respected that I was saying “We can’t inflict that extreme final decision on him and you have to respect that” and she did, but we agreed to disagree and it was more even. With the book, I’ve read it many times, it’s easy to think “She’s wrong. She’s weak. I’m on the guy’s side and he’s right!” It is that way in the book, I think, to a greater degree.

Quint: Yeah, definitely.

Viggo Mortensen: That, I think, is an improvement. I also like that they don’t have the kind of Jules Verne stuff with the squid, because to me it was like it doesn’t belong in there. I would prefer the book without that, since I don’t think it really adds that much and I think it’s odd. It’s not bad, because he’s such a great writer, but it’s like…

Quint: Something that I loved was that the movie starts on a green plant and sunlight, it gives the audience a sense of “This is our world.”

Viggo Mortensen: Just like the flashbacks with the piano and relating music, sound, and vision, on an emotional level to him and to her.

Quint: I like in that flashback, you just see hands. You don’t need to see the wide shot. You don’t need to see anything, it’s just that literally is all it is.

Viggo Mortensen: His clean, healthy hands and there is so much affection in their relationship with these two pairs of hands.

Quint: Yeah, so like when the man is breaking down at the piano later in the movie…

Viggo Mortensen: You buy it.

Quint: Yeah, you understand why. It’s those small touches, but yeah I really dug the movie and I think you guys are going to have a lot of success with it.

Viggo Mortensen: I hope so, you know? I do feel, after seeing it with these audiences and hearing them… I think the worry is that it’s too bleak and general audiences will reject even trying it. You know like they see it will go “Yeah, I guess it’s good, as far as acting or whatever, but I wouldn’t recommend it, it’s too tough…” I think people are actually going to say “It’s tough, but I would see it” and I think that people will see it more and more, because there’s a lot to take in and you are so affected, I think emotionally most people… I’m not saying some people won’t dislike it, that’s what happens with any movie, but I think there will be a certain amount of people who will go see it again, like “Okay, now I want to watch it in a different way.”

Quint: I think so, too.

Viggo Mortensen: I think word of mouth, if we are lucky, could help it.

Quint: The word of mouth is already going in your direction from here and Toronto is going to be big, too.

Viggo Mortensen: I hope so. Are you going there?

Quint: No, we have a couple of guys in Toronto. I’ve always wanted to go.

Viggo Mortensen: Is Harry still actively…

Quint: He covers Austin stuff a lot and he will do set visits and stuff, but yeah he’s still around and still a regular voice on the site. It’s still his baby.

Viggo Mortensen: Last October I talked to a guy from your site in Chicago…

Quint: Capone!

Viggo Mortensen: Yeah, and he was asking all about the movie and talking about the same things and said I thought it would work, but I’d have to see how they put it together. I’m glad they took the time they needed to just get it right.

Quint: Yeah and why not? It’s not a summer movie, so why rush it?

Viggo Mortensen: Yeah, once it was ready, they could have put it in the spring or summer, but why?

Quint: It wouldn’t have worked. It’s totally a fall movie. It really feels like it.

Viggo Mortensen: As it gets cold and people are ready to think about this kind of shit.

Quint: What are you doing next? Do you have anything in the pipe-line?

Viggo Mortensen: Well I have a publishing, Perceval Press, and I’m working on finishing up some books that I’m a little behind on publishing. I’m going to do a play next, I think. In Spain. It’s also pretty unrelenting, it’s a man and a woman instead of a man and a boy and it’s about forgiveness and different points of view. I haven’t done theater for a couple of decades, so I’m a little scared, but I’ve learned, as I said this morning, “Being scared is one of the ingredients.”

Quint: Well, thanks for taking the time to talk with me. I appreciate it

Hope you guys dug the chat. The Road was released yesterday and has 100 times less sparkly skin than New Moon. That's a promise. -Quint Follow Me On Twitter

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  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by Jack_Mort

    Sounds like they got it right. Can't wait.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Viggo is...

    by grinnin_monkey

    ... one of the great actors of our time. Not just an actor, but a real renaissance man. He's certainly not Tom Hanks where you see him in a movie and it's like "oh, that's Tom Hanks as that guy stranded on an island." With Viggo, he disappears into the role and you forget that he also played Aragorn or whomever else. He also seems to genuinely care about how the film is received and whether they got it right. I'll probably see this one. I couldn't put the book down. Hard to say I "loved" the book, but it was fascinating and disturbing and amazing.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    I'm still on the fence

    by Kammich

    Cormac McCarthy's novel has been on my "to-read" list for like 2 years now, but other works have continually bumped it out of the way. So I resolved to the notion of just seeing the movie and then going from there, but frankly I found the early advertisements to be underwhelming. But as the marketing campaign runs deeper, some of the new material--as well as interviews like this one--have me more optimistic. So, to those of you who have read the book, what do you say? Is it worth seeking out and reading before I see the movie, or should I just stick with what I've got(I'm knee-deep in "The Stand" right now)?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Lots of high praise for The Boy in this interview

    by TrueLies

    Maybe Let Me In won't be a complete crap-fest.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    an excellent film

    by ennui

    It just depends on what you are looking for. If you liked the book, you will like the movie. This is a movie about fatherhood, and a good one.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST


    by TrueLies

    I coach a soccer team (teenaged boys). I tell them they don't necessarily have to "like" what our team is doing. They are mature enough to decide if it's worthwhile or not. I think about this book the same way. I don't like it, but it's worthwhile to read.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    I'm not going to read this interview because

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I have the book on hold at the library. Then I'm going to see the movie. This appears to be one of the scariest post-apocalyptic books around becaue apparently unlike others, nothing is growing, and all the animals are dead. Except for the nuclear holocaust tales I can't think of anything else that used that angle.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    The book is a really quick read

    by harrys_site_sucks

    I read it in 2 sittings. Great read.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST


    by Star Hump

    "Look what I got! I mean look at me! You got everything, man! Come on! Look what I got to fucking go around with, fucking diapers! I shit my pants everyday! I can't walk, I can't hump... you know? Go ahead and kill me, you COCKSUCKER!"<p> What would be worse - being stuck in a wheelchair, soiling your diapers, or, being stuck in a post-apocalyptic death world?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Saw It Last Night

    by Crow3711

    Beautifully bleak. Just like the book. Although you can't capture the language, it distills the essence so perfectly. I was also extremely pleased they follow the book almost exactly. All the set pieces looked exactly how I imagined them while reading, and that is a feat. Doesn't happen too often, something so wonderfully realized. Duvall was beyond marvelous in his tiny role, really struck a chord. Guess thats why he is a master. Anyway, wonderful movie, everyone should go see it. But you will be a little depressed after, no doubt.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    And Kammich...

    by Crow3711

    I fully recommend reading the book before seeing the film. It informs the movie in so many ways. I don't think it would anywhere near as satisfying without reading the book. For the first time since Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy I thought reading the book made the movie better, instead of forcing you to sit there saying "they changed that. this was better in the book" etc etc. The book makes this movie even better. I don't think you should see it before you read the book. It's a short and easy read. You can finish in a matter of hours.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Duvall is marvelous is any role

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    He adds greatness even to the smallest roles. Yeah, when I read and see this I plan on being depressed for a little bit. It will, I'm sure, make me appreciate what I have.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    There was a giant squid in the book?

    by TitusPullo

    Did I read that right?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Non-reader reviews?

    by skellngtn

    Would love to hear what someone who hasn't already read the book thinks of the movie. Most of the fans agree the movie does a great job distilling the book down(some of the scenes with pure daylight, like when they were in the PA woods, were distracting) but the absence of the exploding house from the trailer was a welcome relief...

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by supergator

    What Squid? What the hell is he talking about?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    shouldn't the actor response be red?

    by Meadowe

    Just sayin'. Hope this is good, haven't seen Charlize since hancock.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    awesome that he has a publishing company

    by Meadowe

    You don't hear too many actors pursuing an endeavor like that. He's the first one I know of, off the top of my noggin.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Ya Meadowe

    by FreeBeer

    The man is a poet, apparently his first love over acting. A poet would clearly be in touch with his emotions, which helps and shows in his acting. Still waitng on this to be realised in Ireland. I would have asked Viggo if there was any progress concerning the mooted Eastern Promises sequel? That whole film seemed like a prelude to something rather more grander and epic.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The Road is long and boring.

    by Breotan

    Apparently the post-apocalyptic genre needed a chick-flick. I say it's a chick-flicxk because I just don't understand all the hype for a movie about a homeless guy dragging his kid and a shopping cart around getting into fights with other homeless people. Essentially, that's what this movie boils down to. Cannibles my ass. Children of Men is a better "end of humanity" film.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    movie was great

    by the new transported man

    Very impactful & sublime, with an especially effective score. I cried at the end, & again when I tried to explain why this grown-ass man was crying at the end.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST


    by Breotan

    Apparently my keyboard didn't like it any more than I did.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    the squid?

    by BadMrWonka

    is he talking about Watchmen, but just didn't mention the word "Watchmen"?<p>other than that, I think I remember something in the book where McCarthy describes fog on the street curling like a squid's ink on the sea floor or something. I don't think that's what he's referencing.<p>gotta be Watchmen, yeah?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Also, I think

    by the new transported man

    the reason why I got so emotional at the end was not because Aragorn died, but because Lenny & Co. had been following them the whole time, in some ways succeeding where Aragorn failed, & all in the face of eventual & final hopelessness. Bitter tears of joy, I suppose.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Thanks Crow

    by Kammich

    Placed an order on Amazon. Looking forward to a brisk read, because I've been delving into some lengthy ones lately(and with adult ADHD, that can be pretty exhausting).

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Breotan

    by Kammich

    don't compare it to Children of Men! any thematically similar movie will look like dog shit compared to that movie, in my eyes. I didn't see Children of Men until it started making its run on Cinemax, but I've seen it probably 7 or 8 times since. gets better every time. maybe my favorite movie of the decade.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Mortensen gave a STAGGERING performance in this

    by IndustryKiller!

    I mean it'slike Cormac McCarthy knew Mortensen was gonna play the role. Mortensen perfectly encapsulates the uncondiiton love for the boy and the agonazing heartbreak of a man who has lost more than any human being has ever lost before. That scene where they are poking throught he house and he find the old piano and just loses it, just completely rbeaks down and can't keep it together, is so fucking powerful. I really really hope he gets his rightful Oscar nomination.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The squid is from 20000 Leagues Under the Sea

    by BackRiverCatfish

    He did mention Jules Vern, ever heard of him? If not, how about the movie with Kirk Douglas or the ride at Disney World?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    And anyone who calls the film a miserablist slog

    by IndustryKiller!

    Iw ant to punch in their shallow idiot fucking face. I've never read so many unprofessional professional reviews of a film before in my life. Saying that you found something too depressing is not a fucking valid criticism. ALL that matter is that a film is honest and true to it's world and it's character, and The Road aces this. If anything I could have taken an even more meditative film that made you FEEL the hardship of this new existence even more. I also would have gotten rid of any music whatsoever, the silence is the music.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Aspergers rears it's ugly head once again

    by gotilk

    It seems as if even Quint didn't catch the joke(or left out a transcription of the resultant laugh). For those of you afflicted, they were discussing adaptation. He was, quite possibly, even referencing TALKBACK. It was a quick little joke aside. If you took it literally, I'm so.. so very sorry for you.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Tell Me About It Kammich

    by Crow3711

    I'm in the middle of Stephen Kings Dark Tower series currently. On book 4 of 7, and each one gets progressively longer. This one is up to 720, and the next is 950. I think I might lose my mind. Hope you enjoy The Road as much as I did.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Viggo sez: "I really liked the kid." And that's about it.

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Next time, Quint, don't let the interviewee fillibuster you like that. Two-thirds of this interview was just Viggo playing the old Hollywood interview game of "Praise your partner and you make yourself look good." Sound and fury signifying nothing. Viggo is a far more interesting interview than what he gave here. You got starstruck and played, Quint.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Ironically enough

    by Kammich

    I just finished The Dark Tower series before starting "The Stand," heh. In fear of turning this into a Dark Tower turf-war like every Stephen King related TB, i'll try to put it succinctly... i liked the series a lot, but be prepared for a tonal shift after Wizard and Glass. Book 5 is the longest, but it was one of the quicker reads for me. Actually, the last 3 books are all quick reads, but many die hards will tell you that its because Stephen King just rushed out 3 pieces of shit. just temper your expectations a bit and keep an open mind, and you'll probably enjoy the finale a lot.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Breotan

    I don't disagree that Mortensen gave an outstanding performance. Most good chick-flicks have outstanding performances because the emotion of the story is what attracts chicks to them (and tends to repel most men). The cinematography was outstanding, the music score was wonderful, and the direction was pretty good, too. That being said, it was still long and very boring movie. Million Dollar Hotel wasn't as boring as The Road. MDH had a deeper story, too, although they really should have cast Chris Burke as Tom.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I didn't read the book

    by johnnylawless2

    I got in on audio a year or so back, best listening experience of my life. Tom Stechschulte reads it magnificently. If I were him, i'd knock the acting on the head and do audio. I highly recommend audio in general, especially if you have a tendency to speed read. I'm still on the first hour of King's Under The Dome; at this rate i'll still be listening to it in two years, good value right there!

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    You can't just say something is "boring"

    by IndustryKiller!

    Boring is not a cause, it is an effect brought on by something else. There is obviously something else about the film that didn't work for you. Articulate it. And are you implying that this is a chick flick? WHy because it contains a form of unconditional love? Bullshit, not a single emotion in this film is hollow, dishonest, or forced. And Im not sure what is wrong with the story itself. it's a man literally walking though Hell for no other reason than keeping his son alive. And how that reason is completely strong enough to sustain such a struggle. How is that not interesting? How could the stakes be any higher. The struggle of a man put through the darkest hours of humanity with nothing to sustain hm but love for his child, and whats on display here is how that love would completely win. It's a wonderful study in humanity, and i think it's pretty fucking epic.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    The Blind Side is a chick flick. No chick will see The Road.

    by ZombieHeathLedger

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by InActionMan

    Of course chicks will go see "The Road" If Oprah tells them to do it they do it. <P> I am currently taking up a collection to bribe Oprah into telling chicks that anal sex doesn't hurt.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see this 100 times than New Moon...

    by BiggusDickus

    Hell, I'd rather stick my old chap in the plug socket 100 times than see New Moon...

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by TomHooligan

    That was one of the best interviews I've read in a while. Mortensen is fantastic. He's come such a long way since "Daybreak" (which i kind of love in a strange way)! I hope they do a sequel to Eastern Promises, as that was spectacular. I love The Road. Might Have to re-read it this week whilst having a Viggo Mortensen Film Marathon!

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Is Alatriste never getting a US release?

    by Gungan Slayer

    Confuses the fuck out of me why no one has picked it up for the US market.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    This douchebag cannot act

    by brobdingnag

    He continually gets roles because women want to fuck him and because he toes the collectivist liberal line that infects Hollywood.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by TomHooligan

    that statement infuriates me on a number of levels

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Viggo can act, brobdingnag, you just can't post

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    intelligently, anyway.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    I can't just say something is "boring"? Really?

    by Breotan

    I thought I did just that. You want me to articulate? Okay. "I watched this movie and quickly became bored by it." How's that?<p>Okay, ZombieHeathLedger, perhaps "chick flick" isn't quite on the mark. How about "art house film"?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Viggo Can't Act?

    by Crow3711

    Have you seen A History of Violence of Eastern Promises? Now, promptly shut your mouth.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Viggo can most certainly act.

    by Breotan

    He usually does a pretty damned good job, too.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    What ....


    A great interview! ... fantastic.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Viggo's A Class Act

    by Broseph

    I think the dude is amazing.and he seems super cool and down to earth.i've really enjoyed his work in eastern promises and appaloosa.i'd love to see him in more westerns.I can't wait to see this movie.I'll read the book after.I just love the look of the looks like the end of times

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by HaterofCrap

    fuck these dreary pseudo-intellectual snoozefests.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I'm with you Tomholligan Fuck brobdingnag

    by Broseph

    What a stupid statement.this is Viggo Mortensen We're Talking About Not Fucking Paul Walker

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    CHILDREN OF MEN is a fucking AMAZING movie

    by ZombieHeathLedger

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Eh, well

    by Jaka

    I love dark, unhappy and psychologically disturbing films - all the more when they have "superb technical aspects". I also love Viggo, the man just rules (he should be as well known for his photography as he is for his acting - it's a real shame that he isn't). But he didn't mention any future films, and I thought I'd read he was done making them. So I'm still a bit bummed out about that possibility. However, I'll be seeing The Road in SF next week and I'm pretty stoked about that.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by Kammich

    Children of Men is actually one of the more stripped-down, basic interpretations of a dystopian future that i've seen in a film in a long while. yes, there is social and political commentary to its themes, but any movie worth its salt has those. just because its an ORIGINAL film(yes, i know its an adaptation of a book) doesn't make it pseudo-intellectual. and as others have stated in this TB, why does it being "dreary" make a film bad? didn't it occur to you that it was the filmmakers' intent?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Children Of Men...

    by Crow3711

    Is the most fully realized and thought-provoking film to come out in the last decade. It's also one of the most masterfully shot and directed films I've ever seen. Anyone who can't see that...I don't know what to tell you. Go watch Transformers? If you think Children of Men is a bad movie you don't like good storytelling.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Messyjoe

    I think there is something un-American about this movie. What survivor has only a tiny pistol with five bullets? And if there are zombies out there, you hunker down in your safe place, not go strolling into the unknown with no supplies and no backup. As I say, it's unrealistic. Viggo should just go back to the Hobbit.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Zombies? No, they're cannibles.

    by Breotan

    Nothing unamerican, either, but it is still a rather unrealistic view of the breakdown of society, imho. People generally don't give up and walk off to die like the woman did, or form roving bands of cannibles, or decide not to migrate to the tropics where it will still be warm despite all the ash in the atmosphere.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    It's amazing how people WANT the lowest common denominator

    by IndustryKiller!

    masochism and razor blades? The fuck does that even mean? I like films that deconstruct the human condition, and this is an excellent example of that. Pitting a mans love for his son against the greatest possible odds and how it honestly and intelligently shows how that love wins hands down. You want light entertainment? There's plenty of it, but you'll be the poorer and less interesting person for it.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Breotan, not unrealistic at all

    by IndustryKiller!

    Maybe you are confused about the time frame. The world has been like this for eyars and years. As it explains all animal life has died. OF COURSE people would commit suicide like the woman did. What fucking world are you living in man? SHe explains many time she would have used the gun but understood the Man and Boy would need the bullets. And when literally ALL animal life on Earth is dead and all existing food sources have been spoken for and exhausted you're telling me people wouldn't turn to cannibalism? As for migrating to the tropics? What are they gonna fly a fucking plane? And withw hat fuel exactly. Also it infers the very physiology and ecosystem of the world has changed, its not just the ash int eh sky, there may not be any tropics, especially because all plant life will be dead. But they are heading south, so there you go.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    People migrated from Asia to America without planes or fuel.

    by Breotan

    And it was during an ice age, too.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    What a boring movie, though

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Too bad.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    You don't like Children of Men?

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Man, I just feel bad for you. I guess with a name like HaterofCrap, though, it is obvious that the joy of cinema is not in your heart. I hear the Blind Side is playing!

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    "Grizzly Adams DID have a beard"

    by Rocco Curioso

    Zombies are cannibals, but (technically) cannibals are not zombies. This may be the cause for confusion, both among geeks and normal people.<P>The more I hear about this movie, the more I realize it's probably best consigned to a rental. Also, someone should point out to John Hillcoat that artistic integrity includes not being a big pussy. He should have left the BBQ Baby scene in place. Maybe he can redeem himself with the Director's Cut DVD.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by ZombieHeathLedger

    I was wondering if anyone could identify this movie for me. It's an older movie, I believe in black and white and the ending has a man and a woman running into the sea. About ten years ago, new footage was found of the ending that confirms that the movie ends with an atomic blast with the man and woman in the sea looking on. That's all I know. Any help?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Children of Men is overrated on this board

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Outside of this board people are like, "What?"

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    True Lies?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by theKRELL

    My best guess is...<P>KISS ME DEADLY (1955)

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 6 p.m. CST


    by VirgilHilts


  • Nov. 28, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Krell, VirgilHilts

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    I knew AICN TBer's wouldn't let me down. Anybody like this flick?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    my name is meant to be taken literally

    by HaterofCrap

    i hate crappy movies and i hate bullshit in all of its forms. children of men is both! the only semi cool thing in the movie were the fancy computer monitors people looked at when they fuckin cried like bitches.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    I agree Children of Men did suck. I saw it. It sucked. Sunshine, sucked as well. Moon, put me to sleep. I guess I just don't understand art house movies.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by Kammich

    i'm not trying to bash you in any way, but did you get past the first 10 minutes of Children of Men? that scene you reference is within the first 5 minutes of the movie, and is one of the least spectacular parts of the movie. but, if you don't like the movie, thats cool... everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I had no desire to see it when it hit theatres or DVD, and only watched it initially as a casual view on cable, but I was blown away. as for it being overrated on this board, that could definitely be possible... but its a highly recognized and highly praised film on just about any other online film community you could think of, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there, locke

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    re: Children of Men

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    There are a few extremely long, continuous action shots in the movie that are beyond cool. The motorcyle attack that (spoiler alert hereafter!!) ends with Julianne Moore's death is one and the climax of the movie where Clive is running thru the streets into the house while all hell is breaking loose between the governement and the resistance. Those two extended action shots/sequences alone are worth the price of admission. And to quote Michael Caine in CoM: Pull my finger!

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    HaterofCrap is a troll, ignore him. Lockes is for real...

    by BadMrWonka

    HaterofCrap has lurked around the talkbacks for a while, and he truly "hates" everything. but obviously, he's just fishing for attention. the list of things he calls "crap" or "a snoozefest" (good tip: anyone that actually uses that word is usually fake) are ridiculous.<p>but Lockes, man. I can't figure you out. you truly do seem to hate everything. and you're clearly starved for attention, since you dwell in talkback land where 99% of the people hate you. (in my opinion, hanging around where everyone loathes you because negative attention is better than the zero attention you must get in reality, is the very definition of depressing, but moving on) but you seem really earnest when you describe amazing and almost universally well-received movies as terrible. <p>so what DO you like? if you had to make a 10 best of, let's say, the last 20 years, what would you come up with?<p>this will prove once and for all, if you're in the HaterofCrap category (just being contrary 100% of the time, for no reason other than to get that negative attention you crave...) or if you really just have taste that is contrary to 99% of not only the moviegoing public, but also movie critics AND more discerning movie lovers like a lot of the talkbackers here. <p>personally, I'm 50/50..anyone else want to weigh in on their opinion of Lockes?<p>also, what is your name a reference to? did John Locke break his leg developing his concept of self?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Fuck you guys

    by Semen Stains

    The book AND movie are excellent.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    dark tower

    by docproc

    Viggo was born to play the gunslinger. Fuck hugh jackman or any of these other pretty boy faggots. This man would actually care about the role and bring some gravitas to it.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    If film appreciation were dynamite...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... Lockes wouldn't have enough to blow his hat off. I don't get why someone who so obviously doesn't really even like cinema in general would spend so much time on these boards. But then I don't really understand misanthropic bids for negative attention either, so there you go.<p> I doubt very seriously that either Lockes or HoC can come up with 10 films they genuinely like or admire. Should either of them provide such a list, you can bet your your ass it will be a motley collection of the most god-awful genre slop and dross imaginable.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    If not slop and dross...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... then unassailable classics they've heard about but probably haven't actually seen.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Children of Men

    by Semen Stains

    Is also an a very very good movie.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    If you don't like Children of Men..

    by MacReady452 don't have an understanding or appreciation of the craft of film making(this sounds pretentious but I just saw and loved Ninja Assassin just to balance things here). The chase ZombieHeathLedger mentioned is fantastic. It is not adrenaline fueled non stop action but the POV and the way it comes together was so unique. The steady cam work is also impressive. Great acting and story. The Road is the most realistic look at a post apocalypse. No bullets, no food, and no hope. Also no zombies. Just death and desperation. If you don't get this then your synapses are either fireing to fast or slow cause you don't get it or can't be bothered to. Kammich, I don't disagree with Crow3711 but I also think there is some benefit to seeing this before reading it. The repetion they refer to in the interview is just Cormac writing.."We woke up. Nothing happened." This goes on a lot in the book and...Of course it would. There aint shit around. All the surprises and shockers would obviously be fresh to you with no frame of reference and that is not a bad thing. I personally didn't find the book a "brilliant" piece of writing. The story is great but it just reads really straight forward. Not overly complex. Just succinct. I guess I would equate it to an unseasoned tenderloin fillet expertly cooked with fresh seasonal vegetables. Simple but outstanding. Nice interview Quint. I usually breeze through these uninterested but this I read all the way through. Viggo can and does (in most interviews) run on about "the art of acting". Oh..and Lockes seems to have a high standard with an inability to trust an untested and proven property. It is easy to say everything sucks cause 85% of the time you will be right. Taking that leap and actually admitting you like something is more rebelious. If I say I like Ninja Assassin, as I already have, then I leave myself open for attack and critique on my own opinion. The difference is I hardened the fuck up a long time ago and know that my opinion is the fuckin best and everyone else's is dumb;)

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    Viggo Would Make a Great Gunslinger

    by Crow3711

    I've been pondering it for weeks now, and veryone always says Jackman, and that sits not well at all with me. He's not tall enough, lean enough, or mean enough. In reality it should be Clint Eastwood, but he's too old. Viggo would be an excellent choice. I can totally picture, don't know why it didn't hit me before. He was right at home in Appaloosa. I would love to see him take on The Tower

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    I'm sure you can guess which movies I like. I like the crowd pleasing movies. You know, the ones that people remember.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    So Asimov Is Called Industrykiller Now??

    by FreeBeer

    Yor clearly the same person and if not you were separated at birth

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    quality of writing

    by jaweekes

    First, I am to tell you I am this person's wife; my husband often shows me your pieces. While most of the time I can get past the random errors in your writing, the interview with Viggo Mortensen is horribly written. The writing is so bad that I can't even finish reading it. In future, I would encourage you to improve your writing as things like this will turn off your audience and ultimately hurt your advertising budget. You provide good information, if the readers can ACTUALLY read it. Please take this as the positive criticism it is intended to be. I am an English teacher and realize how frustrating it is to try to read good information that is just badly written. It turns off the reader. Good Luck!

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    re: asia to america

    by frank cotton

    of course - they walked over the ice. there are those who like 'movies', and those who like film; it is easy to tell which is which

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    More Like The Populist Trash Devoid of Art or Purpose Locke

    by Crow3711

    and BadMrWonka, excellent post, and that last comment, about finding his concept of self...had me laughing. Hard. Very clever my friend. Well played.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Hitler Was A Crowd Pleaser. People Remember Him.

    by Crow3711

    Does that make you a fan?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    That Was Meant To be Tongue-In-Cheek

    by Crow3711

    But reading it back to myself...doesn't work with text. Out of line. And it makes no sense. Even though your an asshole, I know you probably don't like Hitler Locke. <p> Then again, now that I said'll probably come back saying he's your hero just to spite me. Damnit.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Where's the BEST FILM OF THE YEAR

    by lockesbrokenleg

    AICN seal of approval?

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    TDK was called a crowd pleaser too

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    And Crow3711 invokes Godwin's law.

    by Breotan

    Was wondering when this would happen.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Hitler sucks ass.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    But without him we wouldn't have cool videogames, or the History Channel.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    But TDK Had Fucking Purpose

    by Crow3711

    It was a real film, by a real film-maker. A guy who puts real art into his films. TDK is as fucking arthouse as a summer tentpole will ever get. There's deep psychology and philosophy at work, stemming from books and ideas written by minds you've probably never heard of. Like the real John Locke dickhead, who wrote about the nature of people and and how society can make it possible to maintain social order. Which is what TDK is basically about. Philosophy. Not a TV character. Most people, the slobbering herds, still just saw The Dark Knight as "a Batman movie", and a lot of those people didn't even think it was a good Batman movie. "Too much talking" "Too confusing" That was a rare perfect storm of hype, quality marketing, heaths untimely death, and a blending of popcorn and art cinema rarely, if ever, seen. Invoking TDK as a "crowd-pleaser" just shows how fucking stupid you really are. Seriously. You're a fucking dumb person. I feel bad for you 100% of the time I see your posts. That story about your parents leaving you at theaters every weekend ith no supervision is fucking sad man. I'm sure, positive, your life is not fun or easy. but that doesn't mean you have to be a moron.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    and again I apologize for the Godwins Law thing

    by Crow3711

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg likes Lost...

    by TheWaqman

    you know, that piece of shit that should have ended after the first season.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Also I'm really looking forward to watching this next week...

    by TheWaqman

    great book. And I'm fairly sure I'll enjoy this film. Mortensen is definitely one of the best actors today and I'm hearing really good things about Smit-McPhee. I'm not happy about the Let the Right One In remake. But the news is slightly better knowing he's in the lead.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    And The Proposition is one of this decade's best

    by TheWaqman

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    The Proposition pwns!@!!!

    by Jaka

    Caught that one without previous knowledge of it - anything about it! - and it rocked my freakin' world. That is my kinda western.

  • Nov. 28, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Viggo as Roland....

    by Jaka

    ..OK, physically I can see it. But that is NOT the voice I hear in my head when reading the Dark Tower books. Not even close.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Kiss Me Deadly is great

    by CherryValance

    This movie is doody. But some of you guys have brought up a few things. (SPOILERS) With all the fires and ash and whatnot how would getting to the coast and/or the south make a difference? I mean it was either volcanoes or nuclear holocaust or some other fire-y crap. Things don't burn in the south? If everything had been jacked up as long as that kid was alive, and all the vegetation had died off, why were there leaves everywhere? There are leaves in the gutter out in front of my house that are in worse shape than those leaves and they only fell off the trees a couple weeks ago. Why were they on the damn road in the first place if they didn't want to be eaten? It was obvious that the cannibals had transportation. Why would a doctor, if that's what he was, say that the trap door to the basement was locked "for a reason" and then fuckin' open it? Where the hell did Guy Pearce get conditioner? Why didn't anyone eat the damn dog, it didn't even talk? Why are black people still stealing post-apocalypse? See if you try and think about a movie like this is just makes you mad.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by Rocco Curioso

    I fully agree with what you wrote about TDK. Yes, it's an adaptation of a comic book, but even if you remove that element, it still works magnificently well as a crime thriller and a straight-up drama.<P>For me, the beauty of it was that Chris Nolan (and everyone else involved) had sense & integrity enough to make a film that did not wink at the audience one BIT to convey "Hey; it's just a comic book adaptation". Instead it was somber and deliberate, and in its own way, nearly the modern-day equivalent of an ancient Greek tragedy.<P>The sad coda to all this being that Nolan, quite likely a perfectionist, will probably not revisit Gotham City for a third time. Improving on TDK would be a monumental task, and I suspect while he's undaunted by this, Nolan accomplished all he needed to with the second film.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    i dont hate everything, i just hate crap.

    by HaterofCrap

    raise your fuckin standards a few kurosawa movies and set some kind of fuckin bar. just because someone fights against the general bullshit consensus does not make that person a troll.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Crow and Rocco

    by Jaka

    It doesn't hurt that nearly every actor delivers a perfect performance, either. I've said many times that they scenes with Bale and Cain are so natural that I would literally forget I was watching actors in roles. That's only happened a few times in my movie watching life. I've often wondered, in fact, if more people would not have received more praise if Heath hadn't passed away before the films release. I still think Maggie, while she does a fine job, is wrong for the part, though. And Eckhart, who I also like, is not up to the standard of the rest of the cast. I mean, shit, is that Gary Oldman or a PC rendering of Com. Gordon? Freaks me out.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    HaterofCrap, please do not assume that...

    by Jaka

    A) Because someone is excited to see ANY film that we don't have "a bar". We love movies. Period.<br><br> B) That being able to type Kirosawa makes you an expert of ANY kind. Because it doesn't. It makes you a pseudo-intellectual snooze fest. <br><br> C) That just because you have an opinion we are all going to follow along like a herd of blind sheep. Those of us who have read what you said still have the right to form our own opinion. FREEEEEEEDOOOOMMMM!!!! Kna' I'm sayin'?

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST


    by MacReady452

    going South was the only form of hope or purpose they had. i got leaves from 3 years ago still blowing around my yard. they sure weren't gonna drag that cart through the woods and the road was the only thing that would lead them in the right direction. they would open the door to find food and supplies that were in scarce supply. he found the conditioner. have you ever tried to catch a dog that didn't want to be caught? everyone would steal post apocalypse. these questions are terrible.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    As someone who read the book

    by American Mythos

    I'm not expecting anything BUT a beautifully bleak movie in the spirit of No Country for Old Men, another film adapted from McCarthy. But I did just finish the book two weeks ago, and would like to let the experience simmer -- so I might just wait for this on Blu-Ray. My favorite scenes from the book are (SPOILERS) the father watching the mirgratory birds fly overhead soon after the disaster and muttering "Godspeed" and the Veteran's wife telling the boy "Your breath is the breath of God, yet though it pass from man to man through all of time." I hope both made it into the movie.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Nail On Head Jaka

    by Crow3711

    OOOoooo, Kirosawa, I've never heard of that guy. Let me re-evaulate my entire cinematic belief system. For the love of God man, saying "I've seen Kirosawa films..I have a bar" is basically saying that you stopped enjoying any and all film 30 years ago. Get a fucking grip. Things change. Fantastic cinema is still being made today, just like it was then. And terrible, awful garbage film making is still being made today, just like back then fuckhead. Just because you watch the super-famous and critically acclaimed pictures of cinema's past doesn't mean those are the only films that ever can or will be good. Set your fucking bar, but don't act like because you've a few films by Kirosawa, Kubrick, Fellini, Welles and Scorsese makes every other movie ever made trash. Your standards need lowered, not ours elevated. I agree with Jaka. We all (well, most of us) just LOVE movies. Period. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece to be worth watching. if you honestly think that, I think Kirosawa would probably tell you to go commit seppuku.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    again with the agree to disagree bullshit

    by HaterofCrap

    fuck that. i listed kurosawa just throw out a way to set a personal standard. not to quote something taken completely out of context in order to be cute. children of men is a pseudo-intellectual borefest. its also a shitty spielberg ripoff turd island. and clive owen...that dead eyed piece of screen roadkill... he can't be out of the business too soon. if people keep up with the agree to disagree 3rd grade nonsense, the only place we end up is the middle of the road. and i won't have it.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Agreed re. raising & lowering standards accordingly

    by Rocco Curioso

    Yes, you can put Kurosawa, Welles, et al. up on a pedestal and smugly proclaim "I will NOT settle for anything less"... but in doing so you box yourself in, and effectively blockade yourself from a huge number of movies that, while they may not succeed on that level of artistry, are fulfilling in their own way.<P>Any movie geek worth his salt understands that keeping an open mind is paramount. Never say never.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    American Mythos...

    by Crow3711

    I don't know if I should tell you Don't scroll down if you don't really want to know if your moments are in there.... <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> Neither are.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Well....I tried to Put in 30 Spaces

    by Crow3711

    Guess that didn't work. I'm really sorry I ruined that for you. It's still an excellent excellent film and a tru and faithful adaptation of the book. They just skipped the poetics. Language like that can't be captured on film.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    why do people only understand extremes?

    by HaterofCrap

    also, when i listed kurosawa i wasn't insisting that every film be a masterpiece by a fucking film-making yoda. I'm fine with fun movies, silly movies, even dumb movies. I'm even looking forward to avatar. but just not fucking piece of shit lowbrow ripoff, no creativity allowed, homogenized, phoney, accountant greenlighted pieces of shit. i am aware that studios are businesses and need to make money, but there really does not need to be so much artistic compromise as what is happening nowadays.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yeah, cause audiences sure flocked to that wonderful highly rated Firefly show.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    How the fuck is TDK arthouse? That is a fucking weird comment to make. TDK is so damn commercial. It was calculated to bring in audiences unfamiliar with Dark Knight, while at the same time, being a sequel to Batman Begins.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST


    by Jaka

    It's not about agreeing to disagree, it's simply the fact that differing opinions can never be argued to any kind of satisfactory end. It's generally what's known as a "discussion". You don't like Children Of Men, other people love it. No amount of arguing will change that. I think Conan The Barbarian is one of the greatest movies ever made. You could present any number of arguments, possibly even facts, to the contrary. But none of them would sway my opinion on the matter because it's MY OPINION. Not yours - mine. And whether you like it or not, until big brother takes it away, I have the right to my own opinion. As does anyone who likes Children Of Men. When quantifiable data is not part of the equation, at some point you're just going to have to deal with the fact that people don't give one shit what you "won't have".

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    HaterofCrap, really?

    by Jaka

    "Why do people only understand extremes?" Have you actually written any of the posts using your name in this talkback? Didn't you tell everyone else to watch Kirosawa and get "a bar"? Didn't you boldly proclaim that you "won't have any middle of the road 3rd grade nonsense"? Dude, I don't know who you are, or were, and I really don't care. But if you're going to throw rocks in the place where you live, build stronger walls.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST


    by WickedJacob

    Sorry, that's the only thing I know about Viggo Mortensen.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST


    by Rocco Curioso

    I admire your stalwart attitude. Reminds me (in a good way) of that line from Al Pacino in "Heat": "Ferocious, aren't I?".<P>Can't say I subscribe to that trite observation "Opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one". No, I think opinions are more like fingerprints; no two are exactly alike, and they're unique to whomever leaves them.<P>Sadly, I haven't seen "Children Of Men", but it's on my DVD viewings to-do list. I know it falls into the post-apocalyptic movie genre, but let's shift gears to the pre-apocalyptic genre. Kinda curious as to what you made of "Knowing".

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    The problem with end of the world type art house

    by lockesbrokenleg

    flicks is that A. The main character either dies. or B. The world dies. or C. Some character lives on but everyone they know die.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Wicked Jacob

    by Rocco Curioso

    Extreme quotes not destined to become AICN catchphrases are always acceptable in lieu of knowledge.<P>However, I suggest you make haste first to, then to the local video store, and get schooled. Viggo Mortensen is one of the best actors of his generation, and shows no signs of slowing.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST

    SPOILER - Giant Squid

    by jackson healy

    Do not read this if you haven't read/seen The Road....<p> <p> Viggo transports a Giant Squid at the end that explodes in NYC, killing ten million people. The director took pains to remain true to McCarthy's bleak, inkjet black vision. <p> End Spoiler.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Jackson Healy

    by Rocco Curioso

    "Viggo transports a Giant Squid"... from where? You're not a "licensed" oceanographer, ARE YOU? Don't make Jacques Cousteau roll over in his grave, homey (or roll with the homies, for that matter).<P>Fess up, dawg. Lord Neptune himself awaits your reply.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST

    SPOILER! At the end of the road, there's a McDonalds

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Ironic that HaterOfCrap is complaining about extremes...

    by BrashHulk

    As being a hater of anything is an ultimate of extreme opinion. And the "I won't stand for it" declaration? Pretty extreme, bud. I usually don't mind a little hypocrisy, as we're all guilty of it now and then - but when you combine hypocrisy with pretentiousness and self-righteousness, then I have to write you off as a grandstanding dick.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST


    by shaneo632

    If fucking Ruby Dee (AMERICAN GANGSTER), Viola Davis (DOUBT) and Judi Dench (SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE) have gotten Best Supporting Actor nods for their performances (and a win for Dench), then Duvall's 9-minute performance in this film deserves it. It was absolutely, beautifully heartbreaking, and he's barely recognisable. I welled the fuck up watching that scene.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Duvall SHOULD get a nom, agreed Shane

    by IndustryKiller!

    That scene was unbelievable. Note perfect. Its just brilliant that while so many of his 70's contemporaries become parodies of themselves, Duvall has maintained a pristine level of integrity. This role is an amazing bookend (or hopefully not) to a beautiful career. Where is this guys lifetime achievement award? In fact seeing him and Viggo share the screen was ironic considering they are both two of the best actors of their time, both can shatter a viewer with incredibly subtle emotion, and unlike many of their peers, seem completely averse to chewing scenery. In fact after the film I brought up the same Judi Dench comparison to a friend of mine.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST

    And I'll take the AsimovLives comparison

    by IndustryKiller!

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    It's all yours, IndustryKiller

    by BrashHulk

    But you must now walk around all day shouting, "JAR JAR ABRAMS RAPED MY TREKHOOD!"

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST

    The Squid

    by lord nobunga

    Nobody remembers the part in the book where the man is staring at the gray ocean and wondering if squid still cruise around somewhere in the depths?

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    He is Viggo, you are like the buzzing of flies to him

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Viggo for Roland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    He's like a cussing machine!

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    This is good shit, and it would be nice to watch.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    SexyBack, points for invoking the wise and loving...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Gross in this low and dirty place.<P>I flick a lot of poo, but I move my poo ammo around in a free gift WHYY canvas tote bag, and I protect myself from the poo of others behind a sturdy double size pledge drive umbrella...

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Two Things My Talkbacking Chums:

    by FreeBeer

    Number 1-I'm getting sick of the aggressive behaviour of some my fellow talkbackers, it's childish and tiresome. This is a community here, we should be civil to one another. These talkbackers are not true movie lovers like the rest of us, however much they like to think so. True movie lovers enjoy nothing more than to discuss cinema and hear other peoples contrasting opinions, not be angered by differing views. Either grow the hell up or ship out! Your opinion matter's, but so does everybody elses. Your opinion is no more valid than those held by others. If you disagree just say "I disagree, and here's why". Vulgarity, insults and attempts at belittling people displays insecurity and immaturity on your part, and there is no need for it. Indeed, if you behave like a mature adult people will take what you have to say seriously. It's impossible to take you seriously if your raving and cursing and trowing a tantrum like some sploiled 10yr old. Now, now that I've gotten that off my chest... Number 2-The Propostion WAS one of the great films of the past decade, definitely one of the most visually striking pictures I've ever seen. What I've witnessed of The Road so far has been underwelming in comparison, but of course, you can't judge a movie from snippets alone. This has been one of my most anticipated films of the year, I hope it lives up to my expectations. My favourite movie this year was Moon, followed by District9. I'm guessing The Road (hopefull) will be up there with those two fine movies. It's been a tremendous year for Sci-Fi, along with the enjoyable Trek. Roll on "Inception" and "Mute". Roll on a new era of thought provoking Science Fiction.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    My Favorite Viggo role?

    by MJDeViant

    No, you didn't ask, but it has to be as Lucifer in The Prophecy. Small role, but when he is perched on the bricks and gets really angry, it was very convincing. And creepy. The rest of that movie was sub-par to me, but that discussion with Lucifer stood out to this day.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Another great Snoozeterview

    by MichelleRodrijizz

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Robert Duvall

    by CherryValance

    Okay. This clinches it once and for all. Judging movies is an eye of the beholder type situation. Because, and I'm being perfectly honest, in my many years of watching movies I have never seen the amazing Robert Duvall performance that makes everyone else think he's the bees knees. Of all the performances I've seen of his the "best" was probably the one in that Twilight Zone episode with the dollhouse. I think he used to be okay. But lately, the last decade or so, when everyone else goes "Oooo" "Aahh" every time they see him, I have no idea what anyone's talking about. And because of this, when his face popped up in The Road (I hadn't realized he was in it) I LAUGHED. I couldn't help it. I don't know if it was the stunt casting of it or what but it really struck me as confirmation that this movie took itself way too seriously. It was almost as funny as Danny Glover being president in 2012. But I insist Emmerich made that funny on purpose.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Duvall gets geek cred in perpetuity for Lucas' THX 1138

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    He was also really great in Falling Down.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Why is it getting such a limited release?

    by ShabbyBlue

    Less than 200 theaters nationwide according to Boxofficemojo. I don't see an expanded wide release on the schedule either. Do they WANT this to bomb??

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    I Feel Bad For You Cherry

    by Crow3711

    To see Duvall as Eli in The Road and laugh...that's unfortunate for you. He brought something to those 5 minutes that I would defy any actor living to have achieve in a whole movie. I would agree that he, especially more recently, has certain tricks and gestures he falls back on that always work...but that scene by the campfire. If you couldn't believe in that...I don't what to say to you. <p> On top of that, this has been an excellent talkback I've thoroughly enjoyed. Even if it has gotten heated, and devolved into BS once or twice, I still see relevance and truth in almost everyones posts. Except for maybe Locke. Cause..well...yea. But anyway, great talkback. Thanks everyone

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Oh dear, you really DON'T...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... know what you're talking about do you Cherry? Short and sweet: "Tender Mercies", "The Great Santini", "The Godfather". It only takes those three performances to make the case for Duvall. <p> Ever see "Second Hand Lions"? Pretty corny and stupid right? Some of his work in that film will drop your jaw. Erm, if you know enough to understand what you're looking at. What did you think of his turn in "Open Range"? Weakly written role, in a rather flawed film, and far from his best, but it's the best thing in the piece. <p> Sorry Cherry but you sound like that moron that said Mortensen can't act, when you say stupid shit about Robert Duvall. <p> Ever see "True Colors"? Puhhleease.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    A Perfect Murder

    by Jaka

    I first noticed Viggo in A Perfect Murder - a role in which he was incredibly overlooked. Ever since then - right up to last week - I'll see things he was in before and do an "oh shit! that's Viggo". Last weeks example was Young Guns II. I constantly forget he was in Carlito's Way, Portrait of a Lady, The Indian Runner, Boiling Point, The Prophecy, GI Jane and a ton of other films before the LOTR trilogy. For some reason all I can remember when people ask me is freakin' Crimson Tide - which is really not a favorite for me at all. Anyway, check out A Perfect Murder if you haven't. It's worth a watch.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    More Duvall love

    by Jaka

    A Civil Action, Rambling Rose, Falling Down, Phenomenon, Tender Mercies, The Apostle! Lonesome Freakin' Dove! The man has chops for days.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by Skyway Moaters

    And I didn't even mention "The Deciple". Need to bone up Cherry.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    ...Duvall could have only done LONESOME DOVE...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and he would be one of the greats. Like all TV, the mini-series has its weaker moments, but Captain Call and Gus are the two most perfectly nailed characters I can think of. I don't think any beloved character from literature has been translated to the screen more perfectly.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Was it "The Apostle"? My bad...

    by Skyway Moaters

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    A good movie that I hope never to see again

    by mortsleam

    SO effective at creating non-stop tension that I didn't really enjoy myself in the theater and couldn't wait for it to end. And frankly, though the kid was amazing, he came off as a little to whiny at times.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Skyway and Flicka

    by Jaka

    Yeah, I think you meant The Apostle. But hey, I was thinking maybe he did a film called The Disciple as well. :) <br><br> Yes! Duvall and Jones are brilliant in Lonesome Dove. Jones especially, playing an age he still doesn't look today. But their chemistry, the bouncing of dialogue off each other, and the fact that it feels very much the way it does when you read the book is just brilliant.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    ..."he came off as a little to whiny at times"...

    by FlickaPoo


  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    lol, I was thinking the same thing ^^

    by Jaka

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    *SNIFF* "Ahhh, I love the smell of Napalm...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... in the morning!"

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Robert Duvall is GOD!!

    by Dark Doom

    Anybody who can play Frank Burns (M*A*S*H* the Movie) and Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore (Apocalypse Now) is a fucking genius...

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    But without the monsters.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by IwatchMovies

    This is great time of year to release the most depressing movie of our times. I'll bet you goth wearing douchebags are just jazzing in your pants to see this peace of shit depress-fest. Why don't we just have Rob Zomtard make a zombie movie where they invade a hospital nursery and chow down on some babies while singing "Jingle Bells".

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST


    by IwatchMovies

    You tards that drool over this shit are the same Closet-whackers that over-hype that looser movie "Children of Men"ZZZZZZZZZZZ.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Oh hai haterofcrapIwatchmovies...

    by Jaka

    Could you be anymore obvious? lmfao

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    I think it made more money than George Cloony's latest shit fest.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Why do you always assume I'm a Joss Whedon fan?

    by TheWaqman

    I hate that guy.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I assume most people online are Whedon Fans

    by lockesbrokenleg

    They're the ones who actually know who he is.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by MacReady452

    Colors not True Colors. just sayin.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I just wish...

    by Jaka

    ...people could differentiate between liking a show and liking a person. I dig Lost, but that doesn't mean I worship Abrams. In fact, I fucking hate his Star Trek, but I still don't hate him. I grew to love Buffy in, like, the fourth season. And I think Firefly deserved more than one season, even though I didn't watch it until it was on DVD. But that doesn't mean I belong to the church of Whedon, either. Huge ST fan for 25 years, other than Abrams version, but I know very little about Roddenberry and never had the smallest desire to meet the man. So like I said, I wish people could separate those two concepts in their melons. Admittedly there IS a Church of Whedon. But liking one show does not mean you belong.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Whedon bores me

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I mean his work..not the guy

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yeah, I agree. I love Lost, but Alias was shit. In fact, the only real TV I watch now is Box DVD sets long after the series has been canceled.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Actually I meant

    by mortsleam

    "Poppa. Poppa-poppa! POPPA! POPPA! POPPA!" <p> "What? My god what is it?" <p> "We look skiiiiny."

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST


    by WillardGreensThunderballs

    Are you seriously 50/50 on this troll? Are you surprised he dodged your question and played the Dark Knight card? Though I thoroughly enjoyed your post, thank you.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Unbelieveable! Movies made for guys do shit at the box-office!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Unless its a "comic book" movie!<p>WTF, fellas are you letting your ladies lead you by your balls?!<p>I seen both Ninja Assassin, which despite the lame reviews WAS NOT BORING and The Road, another excellent turn for Viggo!<p>Yet some movies about gay vamps and movie for the white, liberal crowd rule the box office!<p>Wanna know the truth? Ninja and Road showing at my theater were hardly filled! But guess how many fellas were coming outta New Moon and Blindside, lottas of dickless SOBs!!!<p>So you know what the next time someone claims not enough movies are being geared towards us, I'm gonna tell them to get off their asses or STFU!

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Unbelieveable! Movies made for guys do shit at the box-office!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Unless its a "comic book" movie!<p>WTF, fellas are you letting your ladies lead you by your balls?!<p>I seen both Ninja Assassin, which despite the lame reviews WAS NOT BORING and The Road, another excellent turn for Viggo!<p>Yet some movies about gay vamps and movie for the white, liberal crowd rule the box office!<p>Wanna know the truth? Ninja and Road showing at my theater were hardly filled! But guess how many fellas were coming outta New Moon and Blindside, lottas of dickless SOBs!!!<p>So you know what the next time someone claims not enough movies are being geared towards us, I'm gonna tell them to get off their asses or STFU!

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Fuck, this is the crowd that made The Crow popular

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Fuck that shit.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I'm really glad you posted twice...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    AWESOME and eye-opening the first time. Lockes, never seen 'The Crow' and I don't plan on it.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    sorry to burst your not-so-bright bubble, but The Road opened in limited release this weekend. it's per screen average was the highest of any movie this weekend. so it did fine by the's the marketing and distribution that has dropped the ball.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I think Brandon Lee being Bruce Lees kid and

    by MacReady452

    his death during the filming made The Crow popular. Not "this crowd". I don't see the similarity between The Road and The Crow either. What a random statement.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Viggo is a Habs fan

    by peatreek

    He is therefore infallible and perfect. He is a mans man, doing manfully things in a manful way... manfully!

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I don't like The Crow, but Brandon Lee was badass...

    by TheWaqman

    it's a shame he died from such a strange accident. And also Viggo fucking rocks the shit. He's one of the best actors this decade.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Re: Viggo as Roland Deschain

    by Kammich

    I'll be honest, when reading the books I pictured Hugh Jackman. A lot of this stems from the fact that I began the series with the Plume paperback edition of "Gunslinger," whose cover depicts a very Jackman-like Roland(in "Van Helsing" gear, no less). But the weathered, tough, emotionally devoid aspects seemed like something Jackman could do quite well. But I'd be very, very open to other actors portraying him, Viggo included. His physical presence doesn't quite match what I picture, but he's got more chops than Jackman, he's got success in the genre, and I know he'd dive in with a passion for the role. Its an incredibly tough casting call, though. Mostly because the character lacks any charisma and is almost entirely unlikable for the entire duration of the series. I don't really like the suggestions of Christian Bale, which seem to be a favorite amongst many die hards. Bale has just portrayed too many genre icons, and his performances seem to be getting less diverse as he keeps working... and his American accent is a huge distraction. I also think way too many people put too much of a premium on the book's description of "blue bombardier eyes"... there are people out there who actually suggest Hugh Laurie. *shudder*

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    And here I thought it was the...

    by Jaka

    ...James O'Barr comic book. Who knew? Because the movies are atrocious.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Bale and Mortensen

    by Jaka

    Both do unlikeable very well. I'd be happy with either. I really dig Jackman, too. But he's got a big of smarm, almost a cheese factor, in some of his acting. Too much self-awareness.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Yes, Viggo is a very manly...

    by Jaka

    ...painter, photographer and trumpet player. lol I kid, I kid. He's a regular manly renaissance man that manly guy, he is.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Bit of smarm

    by Jaka

    Not a big of, because that makes no damn sense. Bit of.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    As Long As We're Talking About Casting The Dark Tower...

    by Crow3711

    Let's discuss the character would inevitably be even more difficult to cast than even Roland. Susannah. For me personally, I wouldn't want to use an actress with legs and CG them wouldn't look right. I know we've come a long way since Lieutenant Dan in Forrest Gump...but still, I would much rather go with a woman who has actually lost her legs and lived with that. So...basically that means I would need an unknown. How do you go about finding a black woman with no legs who can act like she has not only two, but three distinct personalities. I think the descriptions from the book between Detta and Odetta are almost impossible for a human to truly capture. I honestly have thought since I've started reading them the main reason any adaptation wouldn't be convincing to me is because I have no clue how they could appropriately cast Susannah. Any thoughts?

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Well, here's the thing that scares me Crow

    by Jaka

    We don't yet know how the books will be adapted. What will be in or out. WHO will be in or out. Even what parts will form the basis for the first (because hopefully they'll be more than one) film. They could cut or move all kinds of things around, because that's what "they" do. However, how about multiple actresses? That could work. Other than that I really don't think they'd go so far as to cast an unknown legless actress in the part, so CGI is what we're probably going to get.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST


    by American Mythos

    The bright side has Sandra Bullock as a hick and her husband is Tim McGraw, while Twilight was written by a Mormon Mitt Romney fan -- so excuse me for my failure to see how these are movies geared toward the "white, liberal crowd." You got the white part right at least.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    JJ Said He Isn't Going To Do the Movies

    by Crow3711

    He said last week he didn't want to even try. Personally, I think the only way to do it with any type of clarity or faithfulness is to make it an HBO series, 7 seasons, probbaly ten episodes each would work. I know thats a "perfect world" type deal, but really, if someone pitched it to them, I think HBO would be foolish to pass. The first book could probably be less than ten episodes, and move into the beginning of Drawing of The Three. Then just break the books down into hour long scripts, skipping the unimportant or slightly indulgent details and diversions. When I read it, I see perfectly clear beginnings and endings to possible episodes all the time. I really think doing two hour movies would be a complete and utter failure. There is too much there. It would either make no sense or be so watered-down there would be no point to it.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by Kammich

    You're right, its an even more complex role to cast than Roland. For me, there's really only one choice... Taraji P. Henson. Tremendous actress, right age, can be both beautiful AND terrifying. Thats an emotional juggernaut of a character, and anyone short of Oscar-caliber could ruin the movies. I don't mind CG-ing the legs out, because she'll spend 75% of the movies in a harness or a wheelchair anyway. Eddie is a bit easier to cast, just a typical sarcastic, strung-out NYC hipster... I kind of picture a Joe Gordon-Levitt, Adam Brody, or Justin Long.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    The Road was ok

    by Series7

    Viggo was really good in it though. Probably one of his best roles. Too bad the movie wasn't as good.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    I betcha JJ would come back...

    by Jaka

    ...if HBO went for it. I agree that's really the only way to do the books justice, too. But for some reason people are just really scared of this property. And I don't think it's just reverence. I think it's just too complicated for a lot of the "money" to wrap their heads around. It's not easy enough. There's almost nothing in the entire series that makes you think "oh yeah, that could be a sure fire blockbuster!" For us, the people who've read and love the books (or even MOST of the books - because the last three pissed me off a lot), we can easily imagine the films in our heads. But somebody looking at them from a money standpoint, no way! It's not like King's films have been consistent critical and box office successes, anyway. So hopefully somebody with some clout will want to make them (films or a series) and they can convince some "money" to back the project.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST


    by Jaka

    Shit. Hadn't thought of that until you wrote it. That would work for me. Wonder if he'd take that part, though?

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by frank cotton

    you're new to these here parts, ain't cha?

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Exactly, Jaka

    by Kammich

    I don't think its unrealistic that someone will take a run at adapting "The Gunslinger," but there is nothing to suggest that any production company would be willing to commit to anything beyond that. Face it, this recent run on book series getting greenlit for full adaptations--Potter, Twilight--are family-friendly fare in easily acceptable genres. As soon as producers get into murky or risque subject matter(see Golden Compass), they cut and run. And the Dark Tower series has more than a handful of strikes against it; its clearly Hard-R material. Its firmly planted in some genres that are considered box-office poison if done poorly(western, sci-fi). King does not have a great track record with his films, as you mentioned. And on and on. Any filmmaker who takes the reigns on "Gunslinger" would have to absolutely knock it out of the park... financially, critically, everything. Or else the series will just flame out and disappear, never to be approached again; and that would be a greater disservice than anything. And honestly, "Gunslinger" is a really dry, trepid book, it isn't exactly ripe for box office success.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    As A Series..

    by Crow3711

    So far (I'm 200 pages into Wizard and Glass) I've found the first three books, especially the first one, to be exactly the type of thing I think would a very strong audience in this day. If Lost proved anything, it was that people want something awesome and that makes sense, they just don't get it very often. Battlestar also, which was a bit too sci-fi for true mainstream appeal, but was close enough. If its good enough, people will watch it, sci-fi or not. I think the first park of book 1, the fight in Tull etc, could probably be the stuff that forces people to pay attention. And the build up to the conversation with Walter, the mind trip, and flash forward ten years. It's perfect. I personally feel like lost is going to end with some type of conversation a lot like roland and walters. the island is probably the center of time and space or something along those lines, like the tower. anyway, going into drawing of the three, with the lobstrosities, and going to our world, I think people would dig it. I don't really think its that confusing if you just play it straight-forward. Book 3, the city of Lud was literally made for HBO. It would be epic. And the train ride with Blaine, that would be hilariously fun for two or three episodes. The biggest problem I see is that the further you go, no that I'm learning about Susan and stuff, I think audiences would cry foul and get bored. I find it all interesting and everything, but I too would rather be back with our ka-tet with Roland grown up. And you say the last three are even more challenging enjoyment wise. I don't know...people need satisfying payoff. If it doesn't deliver that, there is no point in even starting. <p> <p> I really apologize that was so long and basically just summarized all the books. I was just thinking it all out.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    The Road must be really boring if we're

    by lockesbrokenleg

    talking about other movies.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Another Problem...

    by Crow3711

    It would be expensive as fuuuuck.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    The final 3 books...

    by Kammich

    Are much more ripe for the HBO, episodic treatment. And thats because there are so many nuances, like minor set pieces and flashbacks and flash forwards(not to spoil for guys like Crow who haven't read it all, i'll just say: todash, dogans, dixie pig, etc etc)... it would take one HELL of a screenwriter to form that stuff into a cohesive big-screen adaptation. It would make a lot more sense in the form of bits and pieces in an episodic format, simply because thats how King wrote it. I think you might be able to shimmy your way out of some of the cost expenses with some creative filmmaking... the contemporary New York settings, and the pure western settings can be done for cheap. Things on a massive scope, like Lud, could be done fairly well with movie magicized exterior shots, and then moderate interiors... ideally you would make each movie with a budget around $80 mil, because that'd be whats best for the series. But that being said, I think it COULD be done a lot cheaper(ie: an HBO budget) without losing too much thematic credibility.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Well, Rome cost HBO a mint

    by Jaka

    And it looks like it - so I don't think budget would be a problem for them if they really got behind it. I partially agree with what you're saying about the last three books adapting better to episodic television vs. film. Particularly because there would be a lot of "WTF?!" going on by the time you go to film 6 and 7. But I'm also pretty sure that if all seven books were adapted as a series or a film the way they're written that viewers would be lost a long the way regardless. That's why I say one of the things I'm most concerned about is what will make it and what will get cut. I've read each Harry Potter book at least 4 times now and I'm constantly amazed at how much was just tossed away as unimportant when translated to film. Do the films work? Yes, they do. And they've been quite successful. So at this point I just have to look at the films and the books as standing in two different places at once watching the same story unfold. It's difficult for me sometimes, because I think there are things they could have done better. But who the hell am I to argue with the box office on those things? So, for better or worse, I think that's what we'll get with The Dark Tower series. Hopefully, as I mentioned before, whatever happens will be done by someone with a passion for the books and King will be involved with the adaptation part, much like Rowling. In fact, in a perfect world King would dissect and adapt the damn things himself. I mean, shit, if he can decide that another book needs to be written and stuffed in the middle of the series he could certainly decide what parts REALLY need to make it into the filmed version(s). - End or rant. lol

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    They hate me because I'm right.

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    The battle cry of questionable taste.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    In 20 years what will people remember? Moon or Star Trek?

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Depends on how long it stay in the sky

    by Jaka

    Hah! I make me laugh. Star Trek, though - duh! Doesn't mean Moon is bad, though.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    ...DARK TOWER works best as a cable series...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...trying to do it for real LOTR style would fail miserably in my opinion.<P>If it had to be movies I think the better strategy would be loosely connected stand alone movies with mostly self contained stories...sort of like Clint Eastwood westerns (the original inspiration for Roland of course) but a little more connected.<P>And Hugh Jackman would make a terrible Roland.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    ...I think a cable series directed by David Lynch...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...would be my first choice.<P>Although half the time it played out in my head as animation by the COWBOY BEBOP guys.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Lynch could direct it...

    by Jaka

    ...or parts of it, anyway. It has his feel in places. But I can't see him adapting it as it's going to take years and people will hate whoever does it for one reason or another.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST a perfect world it would be a long running series...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm no purist. I'd love to see it run for a long time...mix things up a bit to surprise/piss off the fans...maybe ad things from the new comic books and get King to sketch out new and expanded story in fan favorites like THE LITTLE SISTERS OF ELURIA etc...

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST could bring in different directors for different...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...sections. The story wanders all over the damn place...give different story arcs or seasons to different people...

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    ...and of course bringing in the real Stephen King...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...would make for a kick ass next to last season cliffhanger.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Agreed. Even the production design...

    by Jaka

    ...could change from season to season, or even within the seasons. I definitely agree that would be the best way to go. And I definitely agree that having King involved in any way possible would not only be smart, but would also keep fans as happy as possible. If he made changes to his own work, which he's done before, it's would be far less likely to piss people off. I definitely think that multiple directors - again, like the Harry Potter series, and Star Trek and even Star Wars - would be the way to go.

  • Nov. 29, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    I haven't seen Lonesome Dove or

    by CherryValance

    Secondhand Lions. And The Great Santini is a ways back for me. So I'll give that one another shot, but I'm fairly certain I've seen the rest recently enough and wasn't impressed sorry. Thanks for feeling bad for me though. :)

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    lol Cherry

    by Jaka

    It's cool. There have been many actors and actresses that I never "got". But Duvall is just so good, and so natural that it seems hard to miss the talent there. If you watch Lonesome Dove be prepared to be surprised by his and Tommy Lee Jones performances. Unnaturally good.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    multiple directors for DT

    by Kammich

    is definitely the way to go, whether its on film or on cable. each book has its own distinctive aesthetic feel as it is, so it could be even more open to artistic interpretation in the movie medium. you could really go wild with it, too... imagine someone like Andrew Dominik doing the Drawing of the Three? Alfonso Cuaron on Wastelands? how about someone like Chan Wook Park on Calla?! the possibilities are endless... or maybe just the pipe dreams of fanboys like myself

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST


    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Both, I imagine.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    Great idea flickapoo.Crow3711 stick with it

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Fuck I love the dark Tower. All of it works for me so well. I too was unsure at the beginning of Wizards and Glass but it turns out to be the best self contained novel of the bunch. I don't care really if we never get the films, I got the books, that's enough for me.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    ... something about massive balls

    by Lamerz

    What the fuck?

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    the WIZARD OF OZ crap

    by frank cotton

    just wrecked the whole series for me. i still finished it, but between that and the non-ending, i was seriously disappointed with it

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Wait, so this isn't a comedy?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Shit everyone in the theater was laughing.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    So Lockes - you only like things that are crowd pleasers

    by American Mythos

    So you like Twilight then? Those movies please hordes of tween girls.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    I see what you're saying, though, lockes.

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    And it is kind of distressing, to be honest. I hope you're trolling us all so bad, because if not, I think there's a whole aspect to movies and, well, life that you're not tuned into. It's not because I like the Road and you dont, you seem really closed off and aggressively contentious on these boards. Why do you got to heap so much hate on these movies? So the Road is boring to you, great, what is the virtue of your constant griping? It calls into question your taste because you just have to keep tossing out those derogatory one-liners. If you hate the Road so much, why do you post so much in the threads about it and get so involved? You should save your energy for what you love, man, and not focus so much on what other people love (or hate). Anyway, I promise to get off your nuts forever. Blast away.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST

    I haven't seen Twilight yet

    by lockesbrokenleg

    but I don't rush out and see emo Vampire stories. I like uplifting happy stories. You know, movies that aren't just bleak pieces of shit.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Lonesome Dove

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Way off topic here, but I highly recommend the book's sequel: Streets of Laredo. I think it is definitely on par with the great and epic Lonesome Dove. I liked the Lonesome Dove movie (the performances especially) but the book just can't be beat as one of the great western stories ever told.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    debuted @ 11th place with $1.5 million

    by Meadowe

    wow I thought it would've done a lot better than that. Also Ninja Assassin debuted to 6th place with over $13 million. I was very surprised it didn't go to at least #3. I heard some pretty decent things about it. Oh well. Guess I'll see these two at the cheapy theatre sooner rather than later.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 3:38 a.m. CST


    by Rocco Curioso

    "The Road" had a limited release of 111 screens U.S., so... no pre-Christmas Miracles all up in THAT mug. Regardless of quality, it'll be gone from theatres in 2 weeks. I was gonna see it, but that entailed a 100-mile round trip on my part; scratch that.<P>Yeah, I thought "Ninja Assassin" would've placed higher (saw it late Wednesday night; tepid at best).<P>Thank the Weinstein Brothers for idiocy beyond belief, placing it square opposite "NA", "The Comedy Mistakenly Known As Old Dogs", and "New Moon" as well as "The Blind Side" (which actually went up in gross its 2nd weekend).<P>They should have left the release date at October 16th. THEN... it might have had a chance.<P>I'd just like to see one Internet movie website pseudocritic/wag proclaim it "The feel-good post-apocalyptic movie of the year!", and use that as the DVD case blurb. Not a fitting burial to be sure, but... ya gotta seek out the humor in such misfires.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 5:24 a.m. CST

    You are keerect McReady...

    by Skyway Moaters

    "Colors" it is. Thought about correcting it and decided not to bother. I probably would have if this archaic forum had A FREAKING EDIT FUNCTION. <p> Thanks for your post Iwatchmovies! I have seen the light! Praise Jebus and pass the moonshine! How DARE they release a serious film during this glorious season of Elves and Faeries on strings?! Depressing movies should be against the law! Don't worry IWM, "A Christmas Story" is out on DVD now, should you wear out your old VHS copy this 'holiday season'. You did finally break down and buy a player when they hit $30 didn't you?

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Not impressed by "Tender Mercies" Cherry?

    by Skyway Moaters


  • Nov. 30, 2009, 6:52 a.m. CST

    I would have to drive 117miles to see this.

    by BangoSkank

    And that's just one way. Glad I've been waiting to see this for the better part of two years, what's another 6 months for DVD?

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Had me considering gun ownership and a career in cow rustling.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Meadowe look again

    by Series7

    It only opened in 111 theaters.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Its not worth driving 100 miles for, sorry. Unless you like to wack off to how great the book is, then this movie really doesn't offer anything new to the whole post apocolypic future. And if it weren't for Viggo's acting it probably would have been terrible. Its just like I Am Legand with less action and William Smithness. It will however make a good rental. <P> Also anyone who's seen it and is a Oprah book club member, how different are the endings?

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    People hating on Robert Duvall now?

    by DocPazuzu

    WTF? The man has never delivered a poor performance. Tender Mercies, The Great Santini, The Apostle, A Family Thing--hell, even Deep Impact and Days of Thunder. <p> If you're not moved by his upstanding and righteous Boss Spearman in Open Range then you have no soul.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I'm with you Doc...

    by Skyway Moaters

    I'm flabbergasted that anyone who considers them selves a film geek could diss Robert Duvall. His turn as Max Sledge (is that a great name for a country star or what?) in "Tender Mercies" is IMO one of the greatest performances ever comitted to celluloid. That little film is a true cinematic treasure and no mistake.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    "That's mighty big talk for a one-eyed fatman!"

    by Skyway Moaters


  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Just don't mention Days of Thunder though.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Rubbing IS racing, Cole!

    by johnnylawless2

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    can somebody tell me

    by johnnylawless2

    why they bothered making the film if they are only going to release it in just over a hundred screens? I genuinely want to know. Do they bank on DVD sales instead?

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Why are they wasting Viggo's time like this?

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack


  • Nov. 30, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Gus is easy...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Any actor worth his salt can knock it outta the park, like Bobbie did.<p>Still for a raging homophobe, his chops are amazing. Most would kill for his catalog.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Viggo rules

    by Abominable Snowcone

    The Road was only in limited release, like a couple hundred theatres in the US as opposed to a couple thousand. That's why not a lot of folks, including this fan of the book, have seen it yet.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by Star Hump

    "Look what I got! I mean look at me! You got everything, man! Come on! Look what I got to fucking go around with, fucking diapers! I shit my pants everyday! I can't walk, I can't hump... you know? Go ahead and kill me, you COCKSUCKER!"

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    And probably for the best. After Avatar hits, we'll be all like, "The Road"?

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    "Right Motherfucker, where's my money?"

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST


    by skellngtn

    it was NOTHING like I am LegEnd. it adapted the book probably closer than most adaptations do and didn't pander to a summer popcorn flick audience. I am Will Smith was loosely based on the original book...

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Duvall and Viggo bad actors?

    by morGoth

    I look at you and point my index and medular fingers at my throat. I mean, I can see where one can take a personal dislike to some actors face but c'mon, lets muster even a dab of objectivity here and recognize talent!

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    No more for you Lockes...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... the schtick is OLD dude. And I'll eat my hat if you're old enough to have seen "Raiders" on it's first theatrical run.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Now pull Cameron's cock out of your mouth...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... and GO HOME. Bad doggie.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Now pull Cameron's cock out of your mouth...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... and GO HOME. Bad doggie.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Viggo Mortenson, you peaked with lord of the rings

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' lockesbrokenleg

    by Al Swearengen


  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST


    by Series7

    It was just like I am Legend, just with less special effects and action. Look at the cellar scene from the Road, now look at the scene in the parking garage from IAL, same fucking scene less fucking money. <P> Plus William Smith had a much better side kick then Viggo. And both of them had dumb as shit endings. <P> Same movie. Both based on CLASSIC books I mean Oprah likes The Road so everyone has to, both come out in the Winter, both have lame CGI, both have ONE solid performence, both take liberties of the book, neither of them REALLY nail the book. The big difference about 500 million in sales in box office.<P> I'm not saying that The Road sucks, just that it really doesn't offer anything that we haven't already seen a million times before. Five minutes into The Road I knew the whole fucking film. Both The Road and IAL are decent solid flicks, but IAL got to it first.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Oh and

    by Series7

    Just replace Cannibals with zombie things as well, if you couldn't figure that one out.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    It's a LION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Sal_Bando

    You know I'm right.,

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    have you read the book? the book won the pulitzer, by the way, it's not an Oprah book of the month shitfest like you implied.<p> I am Legend, on paper, is a very powerful story, but the movie was turned into a pretty straight ahead horror movie. <p>The Road, on the other hand, was very faithfully adapted form the book. it's not just about cannibals or all the surface observations you made. it's about holding on to humanity, it's about how familial love can actually be a driving force in the face of horror. <p>it's about good vs evil, and self sacrifice vs. self preservation. the scene in the bunker was powerful because it showed the audience just how far the world has sunk. the contrast between the bunker full of starving humans for the cannibals contrasts with the bunker full of food that they find later. if you think that it's "the same fucking scene" as a bunch of zombies chasing Will Smith, you're nuts.<p> Just because both of these movies are "post-apocalyptic", doesn't mean they have much in common beyond that.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Fuck me...

    by Skyway Moaters

    "A History of Violence", "Eastern Promises", "Good". And I swear that's it this time.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    So women kicked ass at the box-office and men went limp!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    This is becoming one bad trend that I don't like!<p>Someone stated that "men" are more nitpicky compare when to women!<p>They(women) won't think twice about a film's quality if it feature hot guys, teen idols, or their "american sweetheart".<p>Maybe we're too damn picky and too judgemental to sit down and enjoy a mindless movies?<p>Are reputations as guys has gotten so bad that now female nudity in american films has all but become extinct! Ever notice how their an abundance of male nudity shown these days! Because women have become the audience to catered too and men are a distance third!<p>A few comic-book movies aren't going to change that fact until we get our asses up and start supporting films made for guys!

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    since you don't know the difference between "are" and "our", I see you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer. but did you at least TRY to read what I wrote before, and was echoes 2 or 3 times?<p>The Road opened in LIMITED RELEASE. per screen, people saw it in DROVES. the studio didn't open it wide, and that is their fault, but you're blaming men for some asinine reason is completely groundless. <p>New Moon had the largest female quotient of any high grossing movie ever. but that has NOTHING to do with The Road. <p>please let the grown-ups talk, kiddo.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Um, who gives a shit if the book one a Pulitzer. Star Trek The Next Generation did too. Fuck.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Dain bramage!

    by Skyway Moaters

    No other explanation fits the facts.

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST

    So I lied...

    by Skyway Moaters

  • Nov. 30, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    I don't get the joke, really. but I like that you wrote "one" instead of "won". <p>no intentional joke, there! just a feeble brain, sorry to say.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Well TNG deserved on damn it!

    by Jaka

    lol. Anyway, thanks to whoever mentioned the films Viggos done after the LOTR trilogy, because now I don't have to. : )

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 1:45 a.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Sorry!! Patrick Stewart has been nominated for a Pulitzer a number of times.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    first off, you didn't "spell it wrong", you used th wrong word. only idiots write like that, I'm sorry. if I said, "My house is the third one on the write," no one would think I misspelled a word, they'd know I was an idiot.<p>but moving on...what the hell joke are you trying to say with the pulitzer comments? I'm not following the joke at all.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Trying to "make"

    by Jaka

    Only an idiot would use the word "say" in that context. Nyyyyaaaa! Sorry dude. You left that door wiiiiiide open.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    The reason this movie didn't do well.

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Not very many screens. Pretty simple. Also not helping: your average american dude doesn't like extremely emotional movies unless the emotion is "YESSS, FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER, HERE IS A FLAMETHROWER TO AN EASILY UNDERSTOOD ANTAGONIST." This thread is exhibit A. It's hardly a scientific statistical sample but none of the guy geeks I know wanted to see this but all of the lady geeks I know couldn't wait.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Also, can we not feed certain unnamed talkbackers?

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    Just let them scream to the stars about whatever, it's not about the movie with them, anyway.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    I haven't read the Road, though I want to, and yes I know it won a pulitzer, still doesn't take it off of Oprah's book club list. <P> I've read I am Legend and I've seen Omega Man, and somewhere between the first 2/3rds of I Am Legand and the first 20 minutes of Omega Man is a faithful adaptation of the book. <P> You saw the Road right? The movie wasn't deep enough to be anything other then a post-apocalyptic film. And like I said, the seen with the SPOILER people in the cellar was just like the scene with the zombies in the parking garage, just scale it down. Plus both movies have endings that fuck the whole point of the movie you just saw. Out side of a couple of voice overs from Viggo that sound like text lifted right from the book The Road is not some deep contemplation on humanity. Its a movie about survival at any cost. There just isn't enough there for it to be anything more. I guess in your world there are enough post-apocalyptic movies based off of classic novels to start putting them in different categories. In the real world, the Road does not offer anything new or different that movies like I am Legend and shit even Zombieland haven't already covered. <P> And I'm not saying The Road is a bad movie, its just nothing special. In fact its a really solid film, and if you like post-apocalyptic films then you should see it (i wouldn't drive out of state or anything) but if it doesn't show near you then you should rent it.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    did you read what I wrote? I've already seen it, man. I'm sorry the deeper stuff didn't resonate with you. perhaps it's one of those rare movies that really doesn't work as well without having read the book first. to my mind, comparing it to I am Legend is silly, I'm sorry. <p>and comparing Will Smith finding a bunch of zombie monsters to a father and son finding people being kept as human food storage, just because they both take place in dark rooms, well...I'm sorry but that's pretty simplistic.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    No worries BMW...

    by Skyway Moaters

    There's no arguing with S7. He's right about everything and can't be bothered to truly consider what others have to say. I've tried. It's like asking a serious question of a politician. You'll never get a straight answer. On top of all that, it seems that he just doesn't understand/know very much about cinematic story-telling. <p> I don't hold any of this against him though. I reckon he's just young and inexperienced. At least he seems to actually LIKE movies in general, unlike some of the trolls around here. Damn hateful from time to time though. So am I, but usually about other posters, not whether a film is "good" or not. And I'm old and crazy and beaten down by life - a better excuse, lol...

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    What the hell are you talking about Skyway Moaters?

    by Series7

    I'm in my 20's so if thats young then sure. But just because your all up in arms about some lame semi-drama like Up in the Air and can't see why I want to be excited about another lame movie where Clooney smugs his way through the whole thing, and everyone talks about how deep it is when it really isn't. The plight of a 40 something may not resonate with me yet, but that movie just looks like false emotion jammed down my throat, with the notion that hollywood knows remotely what the real world is like.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Also Skyway Moaters and BadMrWonka

    by Series7

    I've had dealings with you both in the past. My have been decent convo, so don't act like I'm some newbie? I'm here all the time. I recognize your names, and if you don't mine then you aren't here as much as me.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka as for The Road

    by Series7

    Ok maybe reading the book may make me appreciate the movie more. But like Ebert says, you can't be married to the book and a movie needs to stand on its own (I think he said that in his review of The Road). <P> While The Road does hold its own, its just not deep enough or bad enough to be more then a survival movie. That whole comparison to the garage attack to the cellar attack is just to show how these two movies play out the same way. Yes both scenes have different meanings. But I knew there was going to be some sort of attack by creature things in The Road, because I had seen it in I Am Legend. That goes back to my whole point that within five minutes into The Road I knew the whole movie. I knew the dad would die after being attacked somehow, they would find a good shelter and leave it for something stupid, the dad would go crazy. Just nothing new. Nothing really that interesting (unless you can't get enough of Viggo's face or boney starved ass). And again I point to the ending of The Road, for me, negated THE WHOLE movie I just saw. Those people were following them the whole time? But didn't say anything? They were worried about his safety? Was Viggo's dad just a crazy idiot who didn't know how to really take care of his son in this environment? That family had two kids and a dog, and they all seemed fine? What was the point of the whole thing then? Just like the lame ending of I Am Legend? What's the point of that title if he really isn't a Legend sort of deal. <P> All I'm saying is that you say there is ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON BETWEEN The Road and I Am Legend is silly. <P> Even outside of their technical similarities (release date/based off book/one one strong performance/bad ending/shoddy CGI) and similar plot points the overall story is the same, Its a pain in the ass trying to survive in a post Apocalyptic world. Maybe reading the Road makes that movie deeper then that, but then again I don't go to movies to see a book.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Also its not that I am right about everything

    by Series7

    Its your lack of rebuttal. Its a conversation/argument you just can't walk away and go. OH THERE'S JUST NO DEALING WITH YOU, if you cannot present your side.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    And I've said this before

    by Series7

    The perfect End of the World trilogy. 2012/I Am Legand/ The Road. Cusak/Smith/Viggo are already the same character. With 2012 you have the start, I Am Legend (just pretend that the dog is a kid, or pretend the Kid in the Road is a dog, I prefer that way because the dog was samrter) you've got the end of the world after a couple of year, The Road you have THE END of the end of the world. Fun times!

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Thank you for illustrating my OPINION S7...

    by Skyway Moaters

    And I've been frequenting this site since 1999 thank you very much. I don't try to engage you because you don't answer direct questions. You just repeat yourself. See DocPazuzu's style as a reference on how to be a prick whilst remaining honest and open minded. Me? I suck at this anymore. Ten years ago, I was a raging troll flamer with wicked chops. I simply don't care enough to be good at it anymore. When I make the attempt, I look like a fool. Just ask kobe_ass_taster. Don't be so invested in your own opinion, lest you end up like me, (or Kobe, heh) as if you need or would listen to *my* advice. <p> Have you read "I am Legend"? The novella is essentially a sort of anti-technology, anti-status quo screed. The film absolutely destroys the point of the book with the ending the film makers chose to use. The title "I Am Legend" comes from Neville's dying thoughts, in the last paragraph of the book, (he's taken poison) that the "tertiarys" (zombie creatures in the movie) are the next phase in human evolution and that he, "The Neville" (purposely like "The Devil") will be "The Boogie Man" to this new species of human. He is "Legend", a scary story to tell children when they misbehave. <p> "The Road" is a deconstruction of the human condition. What does it mean to be "the good guys"? Do the rules change when society breaks down? It essentially concludes that love is all there is in the final analysis. Good is good regardless of the circumstances. "The Boy" represents the essence of humanity. Fred the dog does not. He's just one more thing that's stripped away in Neville's "Hero's Journey" (the oldest of all tales, look it up). "The Road" is a much more faithful adaptation, and the two tales have very little in common.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Yeah I've read I am Legend

    by Series7

    And I think I've said a bunch of times how the movie fucks itself with the ending. Just like The Road (the movie, I have not read that book)did. <P> The problem with The Road (the movie) is that is doesn't treat any other humans as anything but monsters. Save for the Blind Man, then The Man goes and "does it like this" to the guy who stole all their stuff but didn't hurt his boy. And yeah sure the boy gets him to go back and give him some clothes and some food. And from what I gather in the book, the whole point is that the man tries to teach the boy to love his follow human, something he is not able to do himself in the end. The problem is that the movie never did that there was nothing that showed that the man cared about loving fellow humans, he was just teaching the boy how to survive. So the movie never reaches any thing deeper then just a good survival story. And in that matter, the ending fucks the movie, because essentially the boy never learned anything so it missed the mark on both fronts. <P> The movie needs to stand apart from the book, I think you are combining them too much. <P> Also I've been coming here since 1998. But I didn't start posting till I got out of college, never had the time till I got a desk job.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Also you guys are thinking about this connection WAY too deeply

    by Series7

    You think it was the best director Oscar from No Country that got The Road Greenlight or the 585 million gross of I am Legend? <P> Sure probably both, but I think dollar signs make movies happen more then Oscars.

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    And waht opinion did I illustrate

    by Series7

    Old wise sage?

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    And what opinion did I illustrate

    by Series7

    Old wise sage?

  • Dec. 1, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST


    by Series7

  • Dec. 2, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    That you repeat yourself...

    by Skyway Moaters

    I'm not that old, or that wise. You graduated from college by age 19? You're WAY ahead of me, relatively speaking... or should be...

  • Dec. 2, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST

    My bad...

    by Skyway Moaters

    Mis-read your post.

  • Dec. 2, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Skyway Moaters

    by Series7

    But do you get what I'm saying about the disconnect of the book from the movie? <P> No one sat around the mentioned how Requieme for a Dream or Fight Club were amazing traslations of the books, but were nothing like those books but got the heart and the point of the book across. <P> The Road (movie) does not get the heart of the book across, you having read the book gives you privy to knowledge that may make The Road (movie) feel more full then someone who's never read a book. And since the movie seattled for a literal translation of the book rather then coming up with its own direction not having read the book puts someone at a disadvantage. Its sort of like Watchmen in that manner.

  • Dec. 2, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Got it Series 7...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... I just disagree. I think the film captured the essence of the book beautifully. Not only that but I generally try to divorce film adaptations from their source material when I've read it before seeing the film version. This was a very close adaptation of a difficult book to adapt because of it's reliance on somewhat hypnotic pros to create atmosphere. The scene with the piano where The Man just completely loses it is just amazing and does more to define the character than an hour of exposition. The guy is an emotional wreck, barely keeping it together pretty much throughout the span of the tale. Viggo's performance is nothing less than astonishing. The tone and atmosphere of the piece is damn near perfect IMO. The departures from the book are inconsequential, and actually improve the film in some cases over what they would have gotten with a "straight lift". There isn't much plot in the book either, it's about atmosphere, and emotion, and introspection, and so is the film. <p> No big deal. I liked it a good deal more than you did. So what? I'll probably gush about "Up in the Air" and you proably won't. I was just surprised by your vitriol for something you haven't seen and probably aren't even very interested in. <p> I think "The Road" is close to a masterpiece and nothing you can say is going to disuade me. I will however have some of your ideas about it in the back of my mind when I see it again, and my opinion could change believe it or not. One thing that will not change is my perception that "I Am Legend" is a VERY different story, and a far inferior film. <p> Check out "Last Man on Earth" starring Vincent Pryce. By far the best adaptation of "I Am Legend" out of the three that have been made IMO. I have a great deal of nostalgia for "Omega Man" because I saw it in the theatre when I was a kid and it scared the crap out of me, but it isn't a very good film.

  • Dec. 2, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Got it Series 7...

    by Skyway Moaters

    ... I just disagree. I think the film captured the essence of the book beautifully. Not only that but I generally try to divorce film adaptations from their source material when I've read it before seeing the film version. This was a very close adaptation of a difficult book to adapt because of it's reliance on somewhat hypnotic pros to create atmosphere. The scene with the piano where The Man just completely loses it is just amazing and does more to define the character than an hour of exposition. The guy is an emotional wreck, barely keeping it together pretty much throughout the span of the tale. Viggo's performance is nothing less than astonishing. The tone and atmosphere of the piece is damn near perfect IMO. The departures from the book are inconsequential, and actually improve the film in some cases over what they would have gotten with a "straight lift". There isn't much plot in the book either, it's about atmosphere, and emotion, and introspection, and so is the film. <p> No big deal. I liked it a good deal more than you did. So what? I'll probably gush about "Up in the Air" and you proably won't. I was just surprised by your vitriol for something you haven't seen and probably aren't even very interested in. <p> I think "The Road" is close to a masterpiece and nothing you can say is going to disuade me. I will however have some of your ideas about it in the back of my mind when I see it again, and my opinion could change believe it or not. One thing that will not change is my perception that "I Am Legend" is a VERY different story, and a far inferior film. <p> Check out "Last Man on Earth" starring Vincent Pryce. By far the best adaptation of "I Am Legend" out of the three that have been made IMO. I have a great deal of nostalgia for "Omega Man" because I saw it in the theatre when I was a kid and it scared the crap out of me, but it isn't a very good film.

  • Dec. 2, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Yeah I've been meaning to

    by Series7

    See Last Man On Earth. <P> I say though the the first 2/3rds of I am Legand and the first 20 minutes of Omega Man, put those together, put the right ending in (it almost happens in Omega Man around the 20 min mark) and you've got a good adaptation of the book.

  • Dec. 2, 2009, noon CST

    And the thing about Up in the Air

    by Series7

    I just hate how everyone has to say OSCAR TIME for everything George Clooney does. He isn't doing anything different in that film. Sure it may be a fine little drama, but Reitman Jr. is a hugely overrated drama thats gotten lucky with hype and hipsters.

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