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A Few Officialish Images From THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE VOYAGE OF THE DAWN TREADER!!
Merrick here...
Facebook's official THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE VOYAGE OFTHE DAWN TREADER page has a set of images from the new movie. As far as I know, these may represent the first "official" pics that we've seen.
You can find the above image, and two others, HERE.
As I've previously indicated, I haven't read DAWN TREADER so I don't know exactly what the titular boat is supposed to look like. This said, I didn't imagine something so garish. This looks like a stylized pirate boat we'd see at an amusement park. Is this accurate to the book? Not knocking this - just wondering...
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Hope the film lives up to it
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...Either that, or the SS PURPLE RAIN captained by Skipper Prince.
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They're a more baroque version of the fish symbol used by early Christians, just as "Dawn Treader" is a symbol of how Jesus was quite fond of His morning walks. (Mark 34:15)
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Right before II Genesis and the Gospel According to Jim. Don't make everything a slam on Christianity, thank you.
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It's a movie where a talking lion is God, a boat is manned by talking animals and they're essentially trying to sail to the edge of the world, and you're worried about the boat looking "too garish"?!? Yes, it's pretty much exactly as described in the novel (I believe there's even a drawing of it in the frontispiece). If you're curious, you could, I dunno, put the remote down for a moment and maybe crack open a goddamn book? It may even be online or available via Kindle, if printed words on paper are too much.
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I don't know whether to love, or have a "hate boner" for the use of language here. Who am I kidding I use the letter Q to replace c's and k's ;)-
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don't you e'er forget
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Man, the RAGING QUEEN wasn't this garish...
Read the book three times when I was a kid, and the frontispiece shows a ship more closely resembling a Viking longboat.
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And I read that book many times as a kid but the movie looked like it had a Chris columbous type vibe. Heard the second one was darker, but so was chamber of secrets, and that wasn't much better, although I kinda enjoyed it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8T095mFdW8
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They even have that longazz title for that percy jackson fliq coming out. It that even based on a book or "saga"? Or are they just being pretentious priqs and starting a franchise from scratch with a looong title to differentiate from future entries? Because the only franchise I've seen that paid off from that cocky gamble is Pirates of the Carribean (spl?).
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Are you saying "The Lovely Bones" is too long of a title for you to get a handle on? Wow. And yes, its based on a book of the exact same, completely uncomplicated name. Literacy in this country is going down the fucking crapper. "Longazz"? Jesus.
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Nov 27, 2009 12:50:15 PM CST
Precious : Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
Worst movie title ever
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Yes, the DT is described as being pretty fancy and overdecorated in the book. You should just read the damn thing - it's shorter than most posts here.
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They're just more in vogue these days... but having the series name and then a sub-title is nothing new (Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back). Personally, I thought the far more obnoxious trend was making abbreviated titles semi-official enough to be used on posters and marketing (T2 instead of Terminator 2, X2 for X-men 2, ID4 somehow translating to Independence Day regardless of the fact that July 4th isn't mentioned in the title).
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Or do they have to finish the series no matter what the cost? The first film was a relatively charmless affair cast with boring children that quickly lost the buzz it generated. The second film was only marginally more entertaining, but less people cared. I don't think very many people are lining up for a third film, no matter how much better the source material might be. Maybe I'm wrong, but at least films like "The Golden Compass" and "Eragon" knew when to quit.
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Christ, that looks amusement parky. Looks like something you'd find in an amusement park. Too much like it's from an amusement park. Amusement park. Amusement park. Like an amusement park ride that was based on a boat someone else had written about and someone in turn tried to translate the description into an amusement park ride except that they had only ever read about amusement parks and had never actually seen one.
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Nov 27, 2009 1:14:32 PM CST
BETTER IF SHE WAS BENT OVER THE RAIL AND GETTING FUCKED!!!
by tehcreepythinman
The beginning of this shitty decade at least had some fucking GREAT movies such as LOTR Trilogy, X-Men 1 & 2, Spider-man 1 & 2, Hulk, Sin City, V for Vendetta, Batman Begins, The Incredibles. For a few years there we seemed to be getting one great, big ass Hollywood movie every few months that was both entertaining and satisfying. Now all the best Directors (Singer, Raimi, Jackson etc...) have flamed out and we're being overrun by shit made by fucking hacks(Bay, Ratner, McG etc...) which the braindead mallrats of America flock to low grade trash like Transformers, Twilight and Narnia.
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...But i watched them build this ship and all i see is styrofoam and fresh dried arts and crafts paint. I'm really curious to see how the footage of this looks, cause it looked poxy as all hell while filming
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nuff said
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Nov 27, 2009 1:18:07 PM CST
I'd like to see a movie based on The Screwtape Letters.
by royston lodge
Heh heh heh...
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Yeah, that's what a Royal Narnian ship is supposed to look like. They're dragon-shaped, with gilding and all that. It's the King's vessel, so naturally it's opulent. I've seen other pics of the ship and it's pretty awesome. It's especially cool that the moviemakers actually BUILT a ship with wood and everything instead of with pixels on a computer screen. So suck it bitches!
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So long as they don't cave into pressure and put the Eddie Izzard rat character in heels and lipstick, they'll probably be okay. It's not like they're trying to accurately recreate the Santa Maria or something. "There's no way broomsticks that small could realistically support Harry Potter's weight during the sort of barnstorming he performed at that last Quidditch match! If they really wanted to be accurate, they should have based the broomstick models on the O-Cedar Crevicemaster 5000!"
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Meadowe was not referring to PETER Jackson, but to PERCY Jackson, hero of
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Crap, that book sucked. The first book, The Golden Compass was pretty interesting, since it was based in an interesting fantasy world, but once Lyra entered our world the series sank into a deep depressing funk. I wouldn't give an Obama dollar to see it onscreen. Anyhoo, I hope this Dawn Treader rocks hard and makes Disney look like ass. It deserves it for dropping the Narnia series (although Walden Media WAS a greedy ass, plus whoever screwed up the Caspian movie ought to be shot. Why stray from the book so fucking much???? The damn series has been in print over 50 years AND THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THE STORIES AND KEEP BUYING THEM. That's better than any goddamn focus group any day. Hollywood execs have shite for brains).
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Aint a chip of wood on that thing.... you could break a piece off like merang
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Has to have one of the best batting averages of any director. I wonder how rich this mofo is. He's only got 4 movies and is only $494,268,135 away from Camerons lifetime gross. Which he'll probably do in his next movie.
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PERCY JACKSON AND THE LAST OF THE OLYMPIANS: THE LIGHTNING THIEF or some such movie. I too first read that as Peter Jackson.
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Because, even though PRINCE CASPIAN didn't pull down Harry Potter numbers, it still made twice as much domestically as THE GOLDEN COMPASS? Money talks, fanboys walk (and whine and stomp their feet and write pissy talkback posts, myself included).
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troll much? that's a 12 years old girl your fantasizing about having sex with... creepy is right
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I remember being almost literally bored to tears by this book. All I can remeber now is Lucy gazing over the side, watching her shadow get bit and little against the contours of the sea-bed. Yawwwwnnnnn...
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A gallon covered in ornate detailing. It's appropriate that it look a bit like a pirate ship since that's the backstory of Caspian's ancestors. They pretty much had to build it - it's a very episodic island-hopping story (scene on the ship, mini-mystery on an island, repeat ... a Narnianization of the Odyssey).
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Sadly, they still have to slog through this, "The Silver Chair" (which is where BBC stopped making them for TV) and "A Horse And His Boy" before getting to the best (and, rightfully, first) book in the series, "The Magician's Nephew" and "The Last Battle", which has all the epic battle stuff they decided to cram into the other movies. I liked the first two movies, and they were both fiercely close to the source material. And for you "Lost" fans, PRINCE CASPIAN even kept the bit at the end that the "Lost" dudes keep referencing as the explanation for the "Others" (watch or read CASPIAN again and you'll get it).
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What's so creepy about that figure, and that original Baker makeup, is, no matter how fucked-up they made Jackson look as a zombie, he still looked about fifty times healthier and less-creepy than he actually wound up looking like before his untimely (?) death. Little did we know in '84 ...
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This is one of those stories where either it catches you or it doesn't. Personally it's my favorite of the books ... I loved all the different islands, each with a different tone of story ... it's been more than half a lifetime since I last read it, but I find I can still remember most of it. I smiled when I noticed all the empty chairs in the hall of lords in Prince Caspian.
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Nov 27, 2009 1:43:06 PM CST
Ash_Williams, THEN MAKE HER 18 AND THROW IN A DONKEY YOU HOMO!!!
by tehcreepythinman
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Nov 27, 2009 1:45:18 PM CST
george lucas change the titles of empire and temple of doom
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
in case you didnt know. he decidied to add star wars and indiana jones in front of them AS IF WE DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE STAR WARS AND INDIANA JONES MOVIES!!!!!!!! glad nolan has some balls and stuch with the dark knight unlike george lucas
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I've heard many people say it was their favorite book. Diff'rent strokes...
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The ending of the Last Battle has such awesome potential as movie magic ... but overall I hated the book ... it read like a big rude "up yours" to any non-Christian-fundementalists who had been following the story.
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Sorry Meadowe, my mistake. Thanks for pointing it out countryboy. Just got The Lovely Bones on the mind I guess.
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When I saw new moon the trailer for "The Lovely Bones" was one of the saving graces from seeing that pos. And as CountryBoy has already pointed out to you, I was referring to a fliq called percy jackson that will be coming out soon that has a loooooong title which implies they are already attempting a franchise, and I was unclear as to whether percy jackson was already an established book series or if THEY'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH LIKE THE JOHNNY DEPP PIRATES SERIES. And in my first post on this tb I already pointed out how it was hypocritical of me to call out this article for using the word "officialish" when I routinely replace words with the letters "c" and/or "k" with the letter "Q" (fliq, fuq, etc.). Bottom line, you should DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PERCY AND PETER BEFORE YOU TRY AND CALL ME OUT. Cheese and rice!!! (See what I did there? I'm not a perfeqt (there I go again!) person, but I try to not use Jesus Christ's name in vain and try to skirt curse words by using techniques like putting z's instead of s's. Though admittedly I get lazy and just type the %^&* thing.)
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and they can remake these the right way.
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I disagree with the person who said we're waiting to get to The Magician's Nephew-- A Horse and His Boy is a great straight-ahead action tale, though problematic because it's a total slam on Islam and Islamic despotism. As for The Last Battle, I found its end-of-the-world stuff deeply creepy and unpleasant; even Lewis can't adequately dramatize a bunch of children waiting for the world to end and themselves to die so they can get to snuggle up with Jesus. Depressing, morbid stuff.
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oh yeah... I FUCKED A MERMAID!
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..i mean i guess id fuck her.
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Really?
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Nov 27, 2009 3:29:51 PM CST
Cronicles of Narnia: The Law of Diminishing Returns
by zombieheathledger
The first one was very watchable, the second was terrible and this one looks even worse.
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I can't stand all the geek love that SM2 gets around here. Has anyone really even watched it lately? Every single character gets their own droll, crying scene that stops the movie cold! Don't even get me started on the ham-fisted religious imagery of Spidey being carried aloft, arms outstretched in his Jesus Christ pose after he saves the runaways subway. The idea that we are getting not one but TWO more Raimi/Maguire/Dunst SM movies absolutely sickens me. You are right, Raimi has flamed out, Maguire is now in his 40's (Peter Parker should now be Joseph Gordon Levitt hands down) and Snaggletooth Dunst took a big shit on all the fans in her interviews post Spiderman 3 becauase she didn't think she was coming back. Spider-Man is the only good Spider-Man movie and even that suffered from go go Power Rangers Green Goblin design. This franchise doesn't deserve it's geek love and is in serious need of a reboot.
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You know this to be true
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Nov 27, 2009 3:46:14 PM CST
No, TDK is a masterpiece, Spiderman 2 is Al Roker's shit
by zombieheathledger
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There are a number of books; I think the series is PERCY JACKSON AND THE OLYMPIANS or something, and the first book is THE LIGHTNING THIEF. I have no doubt the studio is trying to set it up as a franchise, hence the ungainly title. Shades of LOADED WEAPON I, if you remeber that...
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when you can actually interact with people. Usually I come here at night and the talkbacks are all but dead.
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Batman Begins is leaner, more imaginative, less pretentious, and has a great performance by Liam Neeson as Osama Bin Laden. The Dark Knight is endless, pretentious, thinks it has something to say about humanity (who it portrays as completely unconvincing sheep) and its action scenes are too often incomprehensible.
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Nov 27, 2009 3:55:41 PM CST
If yout hink SM2 was a masterpiece, you don't get the character
by industrykiller!
That's just straight up how it is. First of all, to say nothing of the films actual plot, Macguire and Dunst arent playing anything NEAR the multi layered Peter Parker and Mary jane. They are both one dimensional melodramatic bores. Peter parker is not anywhere near the simpering idiot geek Macguire plays him as (without much help from the script mind you). Parker, first of all hasnt been a nerd in like thirty years of the comic, and even then it was just in high school, and even then he was more shy and meek than actually nerdy. Bookish yes, but Macguire is literally like something out of revenge of the nerds, and my God is that a boring portrayal without any sense of subtlety or depth. Once Parker graduates highs chool he actually become a handsome and cool guy, grounded by a good upbringing and real sense of honor and decency. Mary Jane isnt the whining bland sleepy eyed narcissist Dunst plays her as. She's the hip passionate fun girl who sees all that is good in Peter before even he does. In SPider Man 2 their relationship is painfully emo and closer to soemthing out of a CW show like Gossip Girl. his wouldnt be as bad if they didnt have the same fucking conversation over and over and over again. And the film all but wastes and tacks on Doc Ock in a silly "villain of the week" scheme. I do think the fights are well shot, but that's all the film has going for it. That and Bruce Campbell. it's a sin they havent given him a bigger role to play yet considering, and Im not just saying this because hes Bruce Campbell, he's easily got the best scene in every one of those movies.
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Amen to that. I've been saying SM2 was overrated as fuck for years now.
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And you think BB's are better? You need to watch it again. The fact that you couldn't make out shit of the fight scenes was one of the PREMIER criticisms of BB. In fact, if you watch TDK it seems as if Nolan listened to the criticism and concentrated on slowing the action down and refraining from shaky cam so that you could see the actual fight. Your other points are subjective but you are dead wrong on which Batman movie has clearer fight sequences.
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Is that a different actor playing Edmond, or does he just look different older?
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and Philip Anchlutz is the biggest of all. He is unapologetic evangelical christian. that is why new line butchered his dark materials.
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Nov 27, 2009 4:06:24 PM CST
I'm sick of this "The Dark Knight is pretentious" bullshit
by industrykiller!
People ARE sheep Mgmax. Ironic that you brought that up on Black Friday on a weekend where Twilight and the fucking Blind Side are tearing up the box office. These sad ALWAYS unsubstantiated calls of pretentiousness about the Dark Knightare truly pathetic. saying Batman Begins is a better film really gives you away as a dilettante. Begins is a ham fisted, poorly scripted, overly blunt with it's themes, no subtlety piece of shit. It's got a hackneyed very UN-Batman origin story, short shrifts Bruce Waynes intelligence, wastes it's villains, is poorly shot, has a terrible love story (Nolan wisely makes Rachel nothing more than a cypher in TDK) and completely throws away its realism whenever it's not convenient. From now on if you're gonna say The Dark Knight is pretentious either explain it or just say "I'm an idiot who needs movies to move quickly at the expense of character, which I lack any sense of." It's just inarguably a shittier film than the Dark Knight.
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was technically the best comic book film ever made from a purely technical point. crisp, sharp, very clear. nolan shoe horned in too many subplots towards the end of the film. It made the film cluttered. I was very confused about Morgan Freemans character and lot of people were. and the scene with two boats was unnecessary. it dragged the film out. they should have left rachel dawes out. they bought her back and then killed her off making a complete hash of the scene where Bruce finds out where she was going to marry Harvey dent. all along. that scene with Ledger in the body bag. was outstanding and creepy. When I left the cinema, I thought the movie lacked something. While I liked many things about it and thought that it was very good indeed. I just wasnt entertained by it.
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Nov 27, 2009 4:26:37 PM CST
The dark knight is a masterpiece too
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
A better masterpiece than spider man 2
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I worked in a movie theater when it came out and saw it literally 14 times in theaters. Since then I saw it on DVD, and then its been on HBO every day for months, and because when I scroll through the guide at night before bed there is never anything I consider better or more worthy of watching than TDK. It just, somehow, never gets old. And I'm always noticing things. Just about everything in the movie makes sense, with the one conceit that every characters actions are, I would say, conveniently lucky in that their "plans" work out even if theres no real way they could have "planned" it (ie much of Gordons faked death). However, the film isn't pretentious, if you think that, you just don't like philosophy. I don't like the stigma that a movie that is intelligent and deep is pretentious. That makes it seem like you believe every movie should be as accessible and dumbed down as Transformers, lest it be pretentious.
Being pretenious is when you assume you have dignity and deserve respect for your thoughts without actually earning that. Films can be pretentious, absolutely, when they don't earn their argument. But The Dark Knight makes its argument about people, and the philosophical groundings behind those views, clear from the very beginning. The movie carries a thru-line like just about nothing I've ever seen. Every single detail falls into place in a meaningful way, where every character, from Batman all the way down to the rookie cops, react true to character. It's fucking impressive. That isn't pretense. It's just good writing. -
Looks like Hook. Get Robin Williams involved and we have a movie!
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Nov 27, 2009 4:30:42 PM CST
Why does every thread at this site talk about Batman?
by lockesbrokenleg
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My dad used to work by a theatre that had The Dark Knight for $4.00 when IT FIRST CAME OUT. So I saw it many times there, one @ an imax theatre by disneyland, and the last 2 times was @ a cheapy theatre for $3.25, then I went back the next week to see it again for my birthday and without them even knowing it was my birthday they just said fuq it go on in for free. I was gonna go again and see it @ the queen mary (they have a movie theatre there now) but never got around to it.
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were boring, I agree. I liked SM 1 way better, and enjoyed SM 3 as kind of a guilty pleasure.
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I'll give it a look.
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Very film noir!
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the books version was more like a norse dragon ship. We've seen the dragon on the front, but the rest does look like a park ride.
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When I read it it seems to allude more to the Moses story, that the Calormen people are supposed to be Egyptians. I don't know... The only thing connecting it with Islam is an arranged marriage setup for the girl. But this is only very similar to what we get in countless other stories. It reminds me of Disney's Aladdin actually, except the main boy is a slave, not a street rat. They WILL adapt this book if Dawn Treader and Silver Chair do good BO. Maybe they will wait to do Silver Chair and do Horse and His Boy first.
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Nov 27, 2009 7:09:21 PM CST
Way to rip off the opening of Pirates of the Carribean.
by lockesbrokenleg
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Nov 27, 2009 7:11:59 PM CST
I saw batman begins 3 times in one day
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
beat that
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I saw Revenge of the sith 10 times in two days.
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I'll see it if she's in the movie again (played the adult Lucy at the end of the first movie). http://tinypic.com/r/md2vit/6
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You shouldn't go around admitting to things like that.
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I defy anyone to make sense of that intercut super-spy-phone and swat team guys fight. It's just visual muddle. I defy anyone to believe the character of Harvey Dent, to believe that somebody would go off the deep end in the way the movie depicts it (admittedly big part of the problem is that Aaron Eckhart is no more convincing going to the dark side than Hayden Christensen). I defy anyone to take seriously the message about how we need a good bad guy to chase bad good guys so we the good bad people can feel good about our badness, or W-ever T F the alleged message was. The bomb thing was like a Twilight Zone episode, the commuters and prisoners were B movie caricatures of normal people, it tossed away the cool urban-gothic look of the first one for a completely ordinary Chicago, and... oh fuck it, you fanboys are so convinced that The Dark Knight is deep and profound that what's the point. As for A Horse and His Boy, okay, you can make the entirely reasonable point that it's a Moses parable, but given the medievalish setting of the Christian society, what does that make the other guys if not the Islamic powers of the Crusader era? Certainly the picture of Oriental despotism is every bit the boys' adventure story picture of medieval Islam.
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http://reading.kingrat.biz/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/the-voyage-of-the-dawn-treader-roger-hane.pngThat's a simplified version, but yes, the Dawn Trader basically looks precisely like that drawing - it's highly-accurate. Fuck the haters.
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Hey fuck nut, stop whining about everything. Go write another Hollywood shitfest.
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WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT? - six times over two months. Three times for free! :) I effing love animation.
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If you saw Revenge of The Sith 10 times in two days you're just...you're even sadder than I ever imagined. And that's saying something.
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Fuck off. I loved ROTS! Hell, I saw the new Star Trek movie 4 times in two days.
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As it seems to be my lot in life on this website. First of all I'll tackle the "Urban-Gothic" look of the first film. Urban? Maybe. Gothic? I do not think his word means what you think it means. Yeha it looks urban, in a yellow and brown claustrophobic obvious sound stage sort of way. The tone of the art direction Begins strikes is just completely wrong for the character of Batman, even his....ahem...beginnings. It looked more like a cheaply made cop drama TV set. And it was muddled and damp in the most blase of ways. Worst of all completely lacking in scope. Now I agree I could take a little more Gothic, even in the Dark Knight, but what TDK excelled in was scope. The city of Gotham looked like a city, alive and breathing. it also was a much better fit for a more sprawling storyline, TDK is less a Batman movie than a Gotham City movie after all. The blueish color scheme is also much more appropriate for Batman. You want yellow and muddy? Make a Luke Cage film.
As for the Twilight zone episode boat ferry sequence. yeah I guess it was kind of like a Twilight Zone episode. Which you know is such a bad thing because its not like Twilight Zone is still considered one of the greatest pieces of television ever made that stands the test of time through countless marathons even to this day or anything. It was also a perfect parable for the constant struggle of the Joker and Batman. And since the film had built up enough of a reputation at that point for going down some very unexpected and brutal roads it remained suspenseful. It also gives the film the chance to portray people (and I LOVE how fickle they are written) as having both the impulse to be incredibly cowardly and wearily brave. Shades of grey perfect for a world that NEEDS a superhero. Which leads me to my next point.
I'm glad you asked about the superhero message contained in TDK. As far as I'm concerned the cell phone plot is a giant 9/11 parable. it plays on the current social want in AMerican society for a protector who is also honorable and honest to a fault. And how batman IS that ideal hero. Willing to cross subtle lines but ONLY if he's able to uncross them later. As the film says he knows no jurisdiction but he will NEVER abuse that power. unlike say, a politician, his position will never be used for personal gain. He lives above the law and has incredible ability and power, but will never ever use it for anything but the good of the people. In a time of great crisis in America, this is a metaphor for the ideal hero we all crave but could obviously never exist, but this film accurately imagines if he did. It's the fantasy of having our cake and eating it too, and that's been a MAJOR theme of the superhero since the concept was invented. i'm not sure any movie before this one has explored that theme, let alone this effectively. Completely non-cynical deconstructionism. This is the essence of Batman, the broken little boy who systematically made himself into a machine (a struggle Begins misses COMPLETELY) to serve a city that robbed him of a normal life. To become perfect agent of justice for the good of everyone but himself. A martyr of sorts. Its too bad for you it went over your head.
As for Eckharts performance, again, I couldn't disagree more. He perfectly captures an innate decency in Dent that turns into a passion for righteousness in the world. When it blows up in his face, excuse the pun, so spectacularly, his hope is shattered, and that passion gets redirected elsewhere. I think the problem with the third act is firstly that Nolan doesn't really write in Two Face as having a split personality, and this is a huge part of what makes the character work in the comic book, and also I agree it doesn't make a lot of sense that he goes after Gordons family. I'll admit thats a flaw in the film. but there is so much else that's genius in there. -
Twilight Zone? Did anyone really believe those boats were going to blow up? I sure didn't.
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When you talked about the claustrophobic wrong-headedness of the city of Gotham in BATMAN BEGINS, I had to laugh.When I saw BEGINS, I have to admit I was NOT a fan of the movie - I'm still not, not even a little. But the moment that crystalized my clear hate for the movie came when Rachel decides to show Bruce the "dark side" of Gotham, a side he's somehow never seen. She LITERALLY tells him to turn a corner on a street, and the moment he makes this turn the ENTIRE CITYSCAPE transforms into ghetto slums like something out of the worst parts of Brazil. It's literally like the rich side of town and the poor side of town are ridiculously divided by a white cartoon dotted line that only the enlightened in the city can perceive, because the film ha no sense of scale or size or as you say scope. It made me think of HIGHLANDER, how nobody sees the swords on the characters' belts until they start fighting. It was just that dumb.
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he heard Gordon's speech to him at the Hospital. Gordon said he was sorry he couldn't prevent Rachel from dying and Dent getting burned. That sent him over the edge.
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I actually thought Joker was going to blow up both boats, and that we'd see the people act heroically or not only to witness both groups destroyed. My theory was that either crazed people on both sides would grab and detonate the triggers (which I figured were actually tied to their own boats - why take Joker's word for anything?) or that either trigger would detonate both or that both sides would blow up the other at the same time. Those were honestly my beliefs. When neither was killed, I was so happy with the movie.
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And I do think that such a hero can exist. They need to exist to fight the real specter of terrorism. I too felt like DARK KNIGHT was a big metaphor for 9/11, only in my view it was a metaphor about terrorists and what they're really all about. All the destroyers make big grandiose claims about purpose and changing the world and a world view that Americans supposedly can't possibly understand, but at the core villainous terrorists - and the movie makes a BIG point that the villains are indeed terrorists, all - just want to watch the world burn. They are innately destructive and offer nothing productive to the world, and yet a truly virtuous person can't kill them because to truly value life means to value all life, even the lives of people who will stop at nothing to nihilistically kill everyone. Consider how many times the Joker seeks martyrdom in the movie, from "Come on - HIT ME!" to the ending when he happily starts to fall to the ground realizing - he thinks - that he's made Batman forego his beliefs and kill him. When Batman backs down from killing him, Joker's biggest regret is that he has not destroyed Batman - because he wants to corrupt and destroy everything. You don't think that Joker would his own "laws" on Gotham if he thought it'd give him power and the excuse to butcher everyone he looks at funny? He would. Oh, yes, he would.
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Your theory is interesting, but I didn't think the boats were goners. I sort of knew the people of Gotham were fed up with all that crime, and they just wanted to live peacefully. I didn't think the Joker would blow up the boats, because he always gets other people to do his dirty work.
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As do all the Narnia films.
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Nov 27, 2009 9:16:42 PM CST
Would you nards take the Batman bitching elsewhere PLEASE?
by feralangel
Jesus, what is the effing deal? If you don't care about the Narnia movies and wanna talk Batman, find another fricking board. What are you guys, 12?
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None other than Ridley Scott said so himself.
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Christ, who the fuck cares?
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That's an interesting take on the 9/11 Theme, and probably completely accurate.One of the things that really got me about The Joker was how human he was. How he tells nothing but shows eevrything. And despite how despicable he was how sad and relatable he seemed. He's clearl a guy who has seen so much ill, so much evil, that now the only way he can find happiness is to PROVE to others how his version of reality is the only one that exists. And how much he relates to Bruce Wayne insofar as they are cut from the same cloth but one zigged where the other zagged. How Bruce sees tragedya nd becomes this living monument to stand in opposition to the evil, as if he thinks by sheer force of will he can vanquish it, and The Joker does just the opposite. It's such awesome classic nemesis storytelling.
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Because of Puddleglum, the one original creature C.S. Lewis created that's the equal of Hobbits. Plus there's the cannibal giants and the underground enslaved gnome/goblin people. That book totally kicks ass. Second fave is The Horse and his Boy - a great adventure story. As for the Calormens, they do act like effing Islamic fascists, attacking unarmed people "without defiance sent" (quote from book) so I hope that's exactly how they come off in the movie. Serve the fuckers right. Knowing Hollywood, though, they'll probably get changed into Christians. Heh.
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Oh, you can just BET that they will make the Calormens into Christians. Hollywood won't touch islamofascism with a ten-meter cattle prod. Remember, Hollywood's idea of heroism in Iraq is STOP LOSS.
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10 times in two days? holy fucking cunt juice
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Nov 27, 2009 9:38:05 PM CST
although i still think batman begins is better than sith
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
sith was easily the best prequel though, and i liked it better than jedi. some weak acting here and there but whatever, i nearly jizzed in my pants watching it.
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I never related to The Joker, but I get what you mean. I actually do disagree that he is likely a man who experienced a lot of human suffering. I actually saw Heath's Joker as a man who was probably pitied and beloved, who had an idyllic family life where he was admired and appreciated and encouraged. That's why I think he creates all those "tragic" origins for himself - because I think the reality of his origin is totally banal - one day, he just decided to do ill. I think he cut his own face into the smile - making a physical reflection of the spiteful bile in his veins. I think people gave him love and he returned contempt. People gave him joy and he returned hatred. I think that if he were to have suffered so, it would make him appreciate the suffering of others. I think only someone who has NOT known the tremendous suffering brought on by loss could be so willing, so deeply desperately cavalier, about the suffering of others. And this fits my view of the terrorist - someone who wants people to do as he says and not as he does, who promtoes an ideology while at the asme time not living up to it. Ultimately, I think the Joker is a pure coward. He covers it with laughter, but the true hero doesn't need to convince everyone his pain is pleasure - he just lives through it. So that's how I see Joker in the movie - a spoiled rich kid who bought his way out of the network, who probably killed his parents and anyone who loves him JUST for the fuck-all of it, and who cut his own face for no better reason than something to do. Think of all the rich and disillusioned hipsters who moan on through their existence - and ratchet it up to 11. Joker.
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The closest thing to a canonical depiction of the Dawn Treader is the original Pauline Baynes cover -- http://tinyurl.com/ykznru5 -- and not that hideous American cover. I think the Baynes version looks a bit more restrained than these photos.
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Most times I saw a movie in theaters was Raiders of the Lost Ark. I saw it every month while it was still out in theaters, and rereleases.
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And here's how the book actually describes it: "Her prow was gilded and shaped like the head of a dragon with wide-open mouth. She had only one mast and one large, square sail which was a rich purple. The sides of the ship ... where the gilded wings of the dragon ended ... were green."That still seems consistent, to me, with a less amusement-parky look than what the movie seems to be giving us. Hopefully by the end of the movie the ship will look a bit more weather-beaten.
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Nov 27, 2009 9:49:36 PM CST
fuck how many times does that equal?
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
too fucking many? naw nevermind you can never see raiders enough. if the dark knight ever gets re-re-released again i vow to see it 20 times.
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I agree, Sith is the best Prequel. And I was just about to agree with you that it even beats Jedi.. however I got halfway thru typing that sentence and I just couldn't do it. Everything about Jedi rules minus the Ewoks. C'mon, tell me ANYTHING in Sith is better than the entire opening of Jedi... Jabba's Palace, Slave Leia, the Rancor, the Sarlacc, Seeing Luke as a full on Jedi Master. Nothing in Sith is was that epic. NONE of the SW films has a better space battle.
Being the best of three shit piles isn't much of an accomplishment.
Being a 3rd best of 5 (Ep 1 doesn't count, like the "Droids cartoons or "Ewok Adventures" films)over-all good films however, is. -
When I was a kid, that's all I did. I would go see movies on the weekends and just sit all day there. I know, it's sad. My parents used to drop me off and I'd go see 3 movies in a day.
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Only the younger two siblings from the first two movies will be in this one. The books tended to introduce new characters and "graduate" older ones. The new kid introduced in this story will be the only one to return for the next one. (Assuming they follow the books.)
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Nov 27, 2009 10:01:46 PM CST
come on man sith had awesome fucking lightsaber battles and
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
fucking great moments all around. i just really hated how padme died because "she lost the will to live" WHAT THE FUCK? you just had two kids AND YOU LOST THE WILL TO LIVE? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? and by the way, was that a fucking cg baby? are you serious. anyway i still love it. i enjoyed episode 2 on a strictly dumb turn off your brain action movie level. episode 1 was a sleeping pill in movie form.
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yea thats kinda sad. kinda awesome to...but very sad. and by yourself? but hey i wouldnt have minded if my parents dropped me off and i got to see awesome movies like that all day. although i cant think of a franchise that appealed to kids and adults in the 90 like raiders and star wars did in the 70's and 80's.
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The opening sequence (especially the first time you see it) tracking shot into the full view of the battle was brilliant. It losses some points for lame "Buzz Droids" tho, and for Gorgonzola level dialog, but actually having Anakin chop Dooku's head off was kinda cool, and General Grievous was pretty cool, tho you have to admit his hands got chopped off kinda easy. Anticlimactic if you ask me.
Seeing Kashyyyk was fun and the battle sequences were done well, but I never want to see another Battle Droid for the rest of my life.
Padme losing the will to live was fucking stupid. No reason to be nice about it. I always wanted to see the Emperor lightening bolt her to death after she gave birth and having Vader stand by. But, I dream.
Regarding the lightsaber battles, I felt like the Anakin/Obi Wan fight was running at 1.5X speed. It felt bogus to me, like the choreography was too rehearsed and perfect. Maybe I'm too picky, haha. I haven't liked the look of the lightsaber battles since Ep 1, not even the Yoda/Dooku fight. Something about them feels different now. -
I loved ROTS. And I saw most of the screenings in digital. It was so beautiful. Sniff.
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Nov 27, 2009 10:26:48 PM CST
the thing about the lightsaber fights that bug me...
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
is that these are supposed to be prequels, yet the lightsaber fight 5000 times more instense and skilled than in episodes 4-6. its obviously because the movies were made years later, but still its kinda weird. anyway the obi vesrus anaking fight is, not lying, my favorite lightsaber fight in all the movies, even though i still think fighting directly over lava and barely breaking a sweat makes no sense, and anaking jumping 500 feet onto some weird (extremely small) metal platform, and it making no noise was weird. god damn it i even nit pick the prequel i like.
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Nov 27, 2009 10:29:51 PM CST
WHOA THE YODA DOOKU FIGHT WAS AWESOME
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
like i said i can enojy episode 2 on a dumb action movie level. and lightsabers illumnating faces in a dark room looked fucking badass!
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The action was top notch. You don't see many movies where they just go flat out action in every scene.
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Yoda should've not been a spider monkey. I always figured he would simply use the Force to manipulate his weapon in front of him.
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Was indeed, gorgeous. I still think that the Jedi went down kinda easy, but I get that it's on a bit of a time limit to get story across. This could have been helped if the storyline for Ep 3 was the first prequel. Hell, Ep 2 and 3 can both stay, just give us one more between ROTS and ANH, If not 7,8 & 9.
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The last hour of the movie falls apart, and it's not until the very end with the Luke/Vader/Emperor thing that it redeems itself.
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Nov 27, 2009 11:04:35 PM CST
no way in hell is jedi worse than menace
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
of course we are speaking in opnions. seriously though episode 1 was a fucking disaster.
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Nov 27, 2009 11:20:01 PM CST
Unlike Star Wars, the Narnia books never turned into crap
by feralangel
Face it, brats, Star Wars is now a lousy cartoon series starring the most boring worthless characters ever created, of which the best of them is Jar Jar Binks, led by a hero who was a much better character as a villain. Why don't you try reading a book once in a while - that's how you develop a little something called TASTE. Until then you're relegated to the kiddie table away from the grownups. Play nice now.
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Nov 27, 2009 11:22:04 PM CST
I THINK THE DARK KNIGHT AND SPIDER-MAN 2 ARE MASTERPIECE'S!!!
by tehcreepythinman
Each in their own way.
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as the best of the superhero movies so far.
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AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!
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It's just an obvious one-- Bush tortured and bombed to keep us safe, and now we're safe enough to hate him for it, sanctimonious little shits that we are. I don't know, you kids seem to think there's real profundity in the way the very schematic natures and relations of these Dark Knight characters are revealed like clockwork. I say, they sure as hell aren't Michael and Fredo, when it comes to capturing the complexity of human nature in a way that doesn't underline obvious points. You're getting out of TDK exactly what Nolan put into it-- and no more. There's no ambiguity and no life in the movie, as far as I'm concerned-- and the very fact that it's regarded as the best we can do today suggests how far we've declined. As for the rest, it's just a matter of taste, I have trouble imagining the actual Chicago I live in with some rich nut running around in his Batman jammies, so the gothic stylization of BB seemed preferable to me (and I called Lord Byron and he was totally fine with the term), but if you're trying to convince me that a comic book movie was less than totally credible, believe me, I'm with you already.
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That's what I looooooove (been using and stretching that word on aic a lot lately) about Christopher Nolan and Heath Ledger's Joker; he's a complete mystery and its up to the viewer to decide (if they want to) where he came from. He could be a trust fund kid, he could've been a failed comedian, self mutilation, child abuse, etc., etc. When I first heard from Christopher Nolan that we wouldn't see the Joker's origin but instead his rise, and that we see Joker as an absolute, I was at first disappointed. Boy was I glad that they went with that route. Since the original plan (according to interviews with Eckhart) was to continue the Joker's story, personally I think they *might* have been saving an origin or maybe several theories Batman and other authorities had as to the genesis of the Joker. I think that *might* have lead to Harley Quinn being introduced. Personally I hope they just recast the Joker (Johnny Depp was my original choice in 2005) since, as Christopher Nolan *supposedly* stated, the biggest issue with Batman 1989 was that they killed the Joker, and he is supposed to be a constant threat to Batman and Gotham, even if he's in Arkham. Even in some of his last words to us Christopher Nolan somewhat hints to Joker coming back in a future (and not necessarily next) installment when Joker says "you and I could do this forever."
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Nov 28, 2009 12:32:18 AM CST
I'd watch episode 1 any day over Transformers
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Yeah the actings flat and the pacings off but you got the pod race, Darth Maul on his kickass hoverbike and easily the best lightsaber battle.
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Nov 28, 2009 12:43:53 AM CST
The only person insane enough to play Joker is
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Crispin Glover.
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Having read the Chronicles from end to end about half a dozen times, I'd say it's pretty accurate. I think Lewis wanted a ship that clearly stood out against the traditional idea of a boat. I was large, ornate and overt. If Dawn Treader improves from Caspian, as much as Caspian did from LWatW, I think we're in for a damn good family fantasy film. Fuck. Alliteration's a bitch.
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Nov 28, 2009 12:45:12 AM CST
In my third post I shall mention Dawn Treader
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
now back to star wars and batman....
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Nov 28, 2009 12:47:06 AM CST
I am looking forward to Dawn Treader though...
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
it's a good book and with Micheal Apted at the helm I think it will be a marked improvement.
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I hated the pretty-boy Prince Latino we got in the last movie.
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First, no one should try to play the Joker. Ledger owns that role. Period. It'd be like having someone else play the T-800 or Indiana Jones. Nope. Done.
Regarding the Dawn Treader, aka the reason for this bizarre message board in the first place, Lewis was thinking of viking ships, medieval vessels that celebrated their crew's heritage and accomplishments in addition to conveying them across the water. So I'm okay with it being ornate. Just don't blow the Isle of Dreams. And Eustace.
The Duel of the Fates was the best moment of the original trilogy, bar none. Hated ROTS. Hated it. Anakin goes from good to pure evil in about 10 minutes. Forget anything else, the butchering of that metamorphosis, the key to the entire mythos, was tragic, nothing short. That ruined the prequilogy worse than JarJar for me, and I never thought anything could top (or should I say bottom) Binks. -
Nov 28, 2009 1:12:51 AM CST
When Santa Claus brought the kids weapons in the first film...
by sonnyfern
I tuned out...
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http://tinyurl.com/dawntreader1
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I think Episode one is one of the best Star Wars movies after ROTS. Episode one has the most visits to any planet in all the movies. We also get to meet many new people and aliens. The final battles of all the characters are interesting and vivid. The movie also leaves you wanting more, which is something not even Jedi does. You can tell by the end of Jedi they were tired of making these movies.
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Ahh you're one of those. I think we're done conversing.
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Nov 28, 2009 1:57:38 AM CST
lockesbrokenleg you have some classically awful taste
by industrykiller!
The very definition of a philistine. If I met you at a party and you started saying shit like Episode 1 is one of the best Star Wars films or you absolutely love Episode 3 and that you actually think those lightsaber duels are well shot I don't know if I would punch you in the mouth or back away slowly. Actually I would probably tell all the other people at the party the shit you said and we would all silently make fun of you. This would be of course after I called you an idiot to your face. What fascinates me most is that you clearly think you love Star Wars but also have very little understanding of what makes it work. Interesting. I look at you as if you were like Dudley from The Royal Tenenbaums. Just kind of a queer oddity to be pitied.
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next to Twilight.
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I'm really not on this site to impress you. You're in every thread saying "this sucks" and "that sucks", while praising shit like Dawn of the Dead. You're just a useless fuck that complains about everything. You throw in some art house movies to make your posts readable.
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And you have very little understanding of Star Wars if you think the only good one is ESB. But, hey, keep sucking on that ESB tit.
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I love ranting about Star wars. But first ThusSpakeSpymunk great point on the Joker. I see it the same way that is why I LOVE when Batman tosses him over the edge and catches him. I love it.
Anyway back to SW. Now of course the Maul fight in episode 1 is cool. But I know this sounds a little out there but one of my favorite moments is when Dooku beats Obi-wan and Anakin easily in Ep. 2. There is something about it. The fact that it was slower and it showed the Sith are really hard core.
My problem with some of the fights is the lack of emotion in it. I really do love the fights between Luke and Vader. I think they actually are stronger than all the fights in the prequels.
Two fights I would have changed or altered were when Anakin "made his choice". Instead of just cutting Mace's hand off they should have fought. Using anger and the lust for power to save his wife he duels with Windu and injuries him badly but hesitates to kill him... So the Emperor fries him. This to me would have been more epic and show that Anakin shouldn't be fucked with. Also the ending fight which I do enjoy... I wish instead of having Obi-wan chopping off all of Anakin's limbs at the same time that it happened more slowly. Sounds fucked up but here me out. They fight on the ridge right and obi-wan cuts off one of Anakin's hands and begs him to stop. Anakin fight with one hand and somehow seems stronger. So obi-wan must chop off that hand and swing down and take the legs off. Then Anakin slides down towards the lava and you keep the next scene. Something a little more epic would have helped the fights in ROTS. I'm not saying I'm right I'm just pointing out what I might have done in those fights. -
Episode 3 was and is great. Suck it.
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Where was I praising Dawn of the Dead? I think it's an alright remake (Im assuming we are talking the remake), you know, well shot and acted for the most part, but I dont see myself vigorously defending it. And I don't think the only good Star Wars film is ESB, I think the entire original trilogy is a work of nearly unparalleled genius, as far as genre films go that is. The prequels are just unwatchable garbage that bastardize everything the originals so meticulously set up. Full of some of the worst acting, directing, and writing I've ever seen on film. Not even being hyperbolic, there is one redeemable scene in three fucking movies and that's the duel of the fates. Other than that it's a total fucking lemon. Unwatchable crap. And I'll never forgive Lucas for giving us Hayden Christensen, the worst actor of his generation.
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If you don't like the SW prequels don't fucking talk about them! Really, you look like a HUGE prick when you swoop in an fucking nail anyone who remotely likes them. You're just an asshole who thinks 80s movies are the bestest ever and new shit stinks. I smell your weak shit from a mile away.
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there's more than one redeeming moment in the prequels. There's a thousand great moments in the prequels that equal the wooden acting of fucking Carrie Fisher in Return of the Jedi.
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Nov 28, 2009 4:00:48 AM CST
Pirates of the Carribean IV: Curse of the Catholic Bullshit
by saultonofswing
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I think this is the last Narnia film we'll see for a while, as I really doubt Dawn Treader will pull in that many viewers. They should have moved to The Silver Chair, as it would make a better film. Dawn Treader is a kind of a story that needs Terry Gilliam to direct it to be any good.
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books have been weak, but, the reason they are making TVOTDT is it it most everyone's favorite volume in the book series, and those kids are growing up fast. Same reason why they had to churn out those Chamber Potter movies.
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yet no one wants it made
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Nov 28, 2009 8:39:56 AM CST
IndustryKiller please don't feed the troll (lockesbrokenvagina)
by zombieheathledger
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Nov 28, 2009 8:41:25 AM CST
Eh, Creepy, I used to think you had good taste in films
by zombieheathledger
You've lost me with your "Spider-Man 2 is a masterpiece," my friend, lol. Can you back that argument up? What's so masterful about it?
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...looks like some sort of spikey death machine. Hmmm...been a few decades since I read the book so I don't remember iffen it was this ornately fitted out or not. No matter, looks pretty spiffy.
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I'm a lonnggg time Star Wars fan, grew up with the OT, and still love it. I recently watched all 6 movies, and after watching the prequels, 4-6 were boring...yes, boring. Thin plot, bad acting, etc. The prequels have improved with age--Episode 1 is a fun movie...the pod race is one of the best SW moments, the Darth Maul fight is excellent, the score is the best of the prequels, etc. I would watch the prequels over the OT at this point.
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..If you strip nostalgia and sentimentality aside, the OT is riddled with the same problems as the prequels...poor acting, for one. The prequels are much more exciting, and the plot of 1-3 far surpasses the minimal story line of the OT. Again, the OT will always have a special place in my heart, but the prequels have taken a lot of unfair flack from older fans.
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"I would watch the prequels over the OT at this point."
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Nov 28, 2009 11:18:46 AM CST
Episode one is one of the most boring movies of all time
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
The best thing about it is whenever Darth maul shows up and the movie starts kicking serious ass. Which is about 2 scenes. Lame.
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I never want to hear some witty hipster say "lucas raped my childhood" ever again.
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only explanation. Locke's problems are many and well documented
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I just read that to my 7 year old and thought that it was great. But it won't adapted at least until Silver chair is. My guess is they skipped Horse not because of it value, but its the only one of the first 5 that doesn't involve kid characters fron the book before it as kids. The main 4 are in Wardrobe and Caspian, Edmond and Lucy continue in Treader which introduces 2 new characters (cousins or something, I haven't re-read those yet) who continue in Silver Chair. Since Magician is a prequil the only actor who is an any other story is the owner of the house, who can be replaced if needed. Horse has the main 4 characters, but as adults and even though they were shown at the end of Wardrobe they are easily replaced if needed and even if they do get the same actors theres less of an ageing problem that you have with youth actors. Im guessing that Horse and Magician ether get made before or after Last Battle because of these reasons.
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Is it the Jesus freaks that go see this shit? I remember the story from my childhood and I didn't remember it being that great. But I guess anything that tries to force religion down your throat is received warmly by a certain crowd.
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I'm not a crazy-fan for any of the STAR WARS movies. They all seem a lot alike to me from that distance. Any time someone tells me the acting in the prequels is bad, I reply: "Lord. Vader. Only. YOU. Could. BE. so. BOLD!"
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As someone who does love all of the star wars movies...i will be the first to admit none of the films have great acting. not horrible. not great either.
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need I say more. Thal allegorical nature of these books is so forced it's almost insulting.
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the Padme death was extra stupid because it shouldn't have happened. Leia says in ROTJ that she remembered bits of her mother, and she seemed sad. that makes sense, so why not have her in bad health from the results of everything that happened to her, but dont kill her. she gives luke to uncle owen and aunt beru to help her raise him, and she goes to alderaan to raise Leia with the help of Senator Bail Organa for the next 3 or 4 years until she dies. boom.. leia's comments makes sense. luke is still called 'luke skywalker' shes called leia Organa and a couple of major inconsistencies are fixed. granted you couldnt show all that in the movie, but it could have been implied in numerous ways.
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Only a douchebag would compare a series of BOOKS to a series of FILMS!!
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But, admit it, once they get to Dagobah and Bespin, the movie dies. It does. It doesn't pick up again until much later when Han is tortured. The audience gets tortured through that forced Han Leia romance.
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Are they still making these films? The second one was so terrible that I can't get through it. I've tried multiple times and I always end up going, "ugh. siiiigh." and change the channel. I actually liked the first film for the most part. But the second one is just freaking boring.
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second was horrible. Shit, those little girls acting made Natalie Portman look like an Oscar winner.
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Change the storyline and have Lucy and King Caspian fall in love and have Lucy stay in Narnia, let Edmund and their cousin, whatever the fuck his name is leave and come back in next movie. Afterall the weakness in this series is changing the damn main characters throughout. I always thought that was kinda lame of C.S. Lewis when he kept getting rid of the characters throughout the series.
Audiences (children) not familiar with the books were confused when
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we got space ships bitches!!!
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You bet. I am a huge fan of the Narnia books, and I am looking forward to the whole series finally being made onscreen. I've been wanting this since the original animated LION WITCH WARDROBE so long ago.
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Can you afford us with your top 10 favorite movies of all time? A list would be awesome. I'm calling you OUT! :) J/K
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so locke is right, no one wants to watch something that childish
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Visually, it was great, and Daniel Craig was great, but wow. the movie fell apart almost right after the opening credits.
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while i'm sure its just the fact the prequels were made recently but there is a story reason that can make sense. the only fights we see in the OT involve Vader, Obi-Wan and Luke. the first two were old men, in Vader's case an old man encased in a big heavy suit so of course you wouldn't see the kinda moves the PT showed. as for Luke well he was taught by Yoda who was practically dying by that time so his skills weren't up to snuff. but the real life reason is probably the trainers. the OT used a fencing guy while the PT used people with martial arts backgrounds.
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I has band-aid finger! Farg! LaughedMFAO@ "she's on a boat!" lol Golden Compass did in fact fall apart right after the opening credits. Which is a nice way of saying it sucks large mammal balls. And it has more depth?! How many people have actually read the Narnia books? Like, before the films? I grew up with them and the depth of Golden Compass (as book or film) doesn't come close to comparing. They're not even in the same universe of comparison. Admittedly, a frightened studio screwed fans of Compass by not actually adapting the book as written. They're probably regretting that now, because the controversy might have made them more money than the pile they ended up releasing. I agree that Craig was, as usual, great in it. But Kidman was absolutely terrible.
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looks like a bum to me.
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Nov 29, 2009 2:18:04 AM CST
"When neither was killed, I was so happy with the movie."
by burnhollywood
Why? 'Cause it completely and utterly pussied out?
That stupid scene heavily undermined the whole theme of Batman, in fact...if Gotham's citizens are as pure as fucking snow, why do they need a guy dressed up as a bat running around doing the police department's work for them? The movie had already established that even the cops would willingly forsake their oath if they were threatened in the right manner.
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nobodyA V A T A R - Fucking your eyeballs in 19 days.
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First rule of Talkback: We talk about whatever the fuck we feel like talking about.
The boat looks like Liberace's schooner, complete (I'm sure) with a bunch of yummy midshipmen. What more is there to say? -
Your not one of those Silk Road fellows though are you my boy? Nothing personal, just thinking of the old war and what what....
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"My guess is they skipped Horse not because of it value"
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Nope, they're not allegories. Aslan doesn't *represent* the Christian God, he *is* the Christian God; the books make quite clear that he incarnated himself as Jesus on Earth and as Aslan in Narnia. They're just novels in which the Christian God is one of the characters. But that doesn't mean that the books are simply Christian propaganda -- they're not, and one doesn't have to have any religious viewpoint to enjoy them as the extraordntily good novels they are.
In an allegory, every person and situation represents some specific aspect of the topic being allegorised. Lewis did write a Christian allegory called The Pilgrim's Regress, and it's awful. But the Narnia books aren't allegories; they're filled with people and situations that don't "represent" or "symbolise" anything -- they're just their own fascinating selves. Lewis filled the novels with things he liked. One of the things he liked was Christianity, so of course there's a lot of that in there. Another thing he liked was Norse mythology (which he used to say he preferred, on an aesthetic level though not on a theological one, to Christianity); the scene of Susan finding the chess piece in the ruins of Cair Paravel is a direct reference to the story of finding the chess sets of the gods lying in the grass after Ragnarok. Yet another thing he liked was satirising statism and bureaucracy, and some of the later Narnia novels get into that as well.
Moreover, anti-Christians getting the vapors about Christian content in the Narnia books are as annoying as Christians getting the vapors about anti-Christian content in His Dark Materials. Those are both good series. Most of western literature has either Christian content or anti-Christian content; readers need to grow up and be able to enjoy a book without being distracted by whichever of those they disagree with. -
Memo to Narnia haters: don't see the series if you don't like it. But there are plenty who do. The ship as filmed is consistent with the book, and for all you Jesus haters, the book is about Christ; they can't change the central concept. I'm looking forward to this film, so are millions of others.
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right?
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I really liked all the Narnia books except for the last one, where author C.S. Lewis completely threw out his original plan to insert Christian allegory only slightly, in a medieval style (King Arthur, The Green Knight, etc, have Christian overtones but they didn't overwhelm the story) and put his Narnia through Armegeddon. Man I hated that. All of a sudden what was a clever twist on King of the Beasts as King of Kings became a horrifying tale of Oz Gets Nuked. I have yet to reread that book and probably never will. Hope it doesn't get filmed too. Really, talk about a downer. But all the other books in the series are incredible and would make awesome movies. And if The Last Battle is never filmed, so what? Not all of the Oz books were filmed either - in fact only the first (several times) and the second (only for TV) and that's it. The Narnia series could survive without it - in fact, in my opinion, it would be far better off. JMHO.
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Nov 29, 2009 12:13:16 PM CST
locksbrokenleg, I hope you are being sarcastic
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
about episode 1 being great because they visit all the planets, just remember they visit the planets with jar jar binks.
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I saw The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe on TV Friday and the bitchers who say those kids can't act can suck donkey balls. They're all marvelous, especially the kids playing Edmund and Lucy. Happily they return for this next film.
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I don't remember if they can act or not, but they were all very annoying.
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For the ending alone. "An eternal dreamless sleep"? Oh yes. Yet it's the weird, dreamy finale to the book that the movie is most likely to change. Ten bucks says the Emperor is never mentioned.
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Because Lewis himself said it wasn't, and the man knew a bit about allegory. However, the Christian themes are very clear if you know anything about the religion before reading the books. That's not a bashing or supporting statement - it's just fact. Would a child these days who hasn't grown up with religion in their life all the time recognize them as such? Most of them, probably not. Have they watered them down considerably in the first two films? Yes, absolutely. Regardless, those issues/themes have zero to do with my opinion of the films. I just don't like the second one at all. It's one of the most boring pieces of cinema I've ever attempted to watch. Very few movies in my life have bored me to the point of not being able to finish watching them. But when sitting in the living room for Prince Caspian I literally found myself daydreaming, or staring at the books on the bookshelf. It just did nothing for me. However, as I mentioned before, I quite enjoyed Lion, Witch & Wardrobe. So much so that I purchased the SE DVD. I also liked it, and love the books enough, that I'll make an attempt to check out the third film, too. And when doing so, I'd actually be very pleased to see that they left in as much of the Christian themes as work in the film. I doubt they will, because that's not how Hollyweird rolls these days. But it would certainly make for some good conversations.
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Haters can suck it. They think shit like Quarantine is good. Fuck em.
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The main series is the first four (in the original order): Wardrobe, Caspian, Dawn Treader, and Silver Chair. Then come three that are a bit out of that continuity: Horse, which takes place during the final pages of Wardrobe; Nephew, which shows the creation of Narnia; and Battle, which shows the end of Narnia.
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Pilgrim's Regress is an allegory, but not of Christianity per se. It's outlining Lewis' own philosophical/belief journey, as he dabbles with each worldview and finds each unsatisfactory in its own way before settling on Christianity as the Way, Truth, and Life. Whether it's good or not is another issue. I enjoyed it but agree that it's slightly difficult to access.
As for the books, I'm most eager to see them make Magician's Nephew. It has a nice period piece, in turn of the century London, great locations like Charn and the Woods between the Worlds, and of course the Birth of Narnia and the White Witch's introduction. That's always been my favorite. As for the problem with the Last Battle, how is it depressing? Everybody (nearly) lives, and enters Paradise (a "better" Narnia). That's kind of how the Bible portrays the end of time, so Lewis was just putting his own spin on that. I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty ideal to me. -
Because it's about looking forward to death and the destruction of our world in favor of some more perfect fantasy, and most humans don't really buy into that and regret the end of life and of the world. And the ones who do buy into it, tend to do things like fly airplanes into skyscrapers.
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...and kill everyone involved in this series including the auhor. Narnia SUCKS!
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It's so fucking awesome and bizarre and bad-ass. SANTA GIVES THEM FUCKING WEAPONS! THAT IS THE LIVING DEFINITION OF COOL! Think about it. They get DEADLY WEAPONS from Santa! Damn!
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Thanks for setting me strait, I knew about the controversy about the placement of Magician's Nephew, but not that Horse was actually written after Chair. I do think that the aging of the actors does have some bearing though on what order the director choose to make the series.
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It's a BOAT!! It's not that hard to figure out. Didn't we see huge ass pics of the thing last summer?
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QUARANTINE SCHMUARANTINE.
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Well, the Christian Bible is basically one big allegory. Unless you believe in Revelations, the Great Flood, and guys living in whales. If you think this is all real, then please go to your local firearms dealer, buy a revolver, swallow the business end and go meet your Jesus.
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can make me think on this "I'm on a boat!"
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I read all the Narnia books as a child (more than once) and loved the fantasy world C.S. Lewis created. I loved the first two Narnia films. My favorite Narnia character is Mr. Tummnus. Sorry haters, but James McAvoy was fantastic as Mr. Tummnus in the first Narnia film. The pitures look stunning. I hope this film is as good as the first two. IMHO filming these stories is very difficult and the Narnia purists will never be satisfied no matter what is done. I think the filmakers did pretty well adapting the first two films from the books.
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Fact.
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Looks pretty close to the illustrations I grew up with. I'm guessing they're the original illustrations. There in each of the five editions I own. It's a big, wide boat. Looks kinda like a bathtub with sails. The key will be the dragon's head on front. Although, I guess if you want to be picky ... I don't see the dragon's tale. Now that might have been cartoony. You've got to remember, this is a studio shot of maybe the rear piece only set. Looks too shiny and freshly painted. I imagine when you see the shots of the ship on open water, it'll look more worn and seaworthy. I'm really looking forward to this film. This and the next book/film, THE SILVER CHAIR, were two of my favorite books when I was little. Probably only second to THE HOBBIT.
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That the Dawn Treader is that big! I recently read the book, and the book made it clear that the ship was small and fairly primitive. The Narnians where very new to the whole seafaring thing and didn’t really know how to make ships like their enemies did. There was only one real room below decks in the rear and even that wasn’t all that big. Two decks, that’s it. Either you where up un deck or you where below.
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Nov 30, 2009 11:17:48 AM CST
Solitary_Poet, your post made me go to sleep
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
same as the narnia films do.
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Just your mom.
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It has aged well...it already feels like a part of the OT because of its age. Yes, Jake's performance is weak and a few Jar Jar moments are annoying, but does that really sink the ship? Most people love the film, but of course I'm talking to the wrong crowd here, lol...lockesbrokenleg and I appear to be the lone Prequel apologists...
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The prequels are not as reviled as everyone seems to think. It’s like some urban myth that’s been repeated so many times you start to believe it. “Evryone hates the prequels.” Except it isn’t even close to true. Not only do all three films rate as “fresh” at Rotten Tomatoes, indicating a solid majority of reviews were positive, you can check their numbers on any Site that aggregates opinions and you’ll find they are all liked just fine, particularly Ep. III.
Oddly enough, it is certain people who call themselves “fans” that dislike the films the most and fuel this silly hatred towards them. Now go on, proceed and tell me how they suck balls. -
Dec 01, 2009 10:51:45 PM CST
C3PO in that underground factory in Geonosis
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
62% 66% are hardly rave reviews, I bet you were a "C" Student, When you get a 66 on a test you are fucked. 80% for Episode III is not bad, it was the only O.K. one, but just O.K. its kinda like you studied before the test maybe, the day before, copied some answers.
THEY ARE HORRIBLE FUCKING PIECES OF CINEMA.
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Dec 01, 2009 10:55:01 PM CST
I want to forget the prequels ever happened
by rene_belloq_12inch_figure
Maybe I can trick myself into thinking LOTR were the prequels and technology advanced a lot during the period luke and leia were growing up.
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