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On Friday, July 17, Paul McCartney returned to the site of the Beatles’ 1965 Shea Stadium concert to perform 34 songs, 21 of which were Beatles tunes.
ABC tonight is devoting 44 minutes or so to the two-hour concert in a Thanksgiving-night special.
The set list from that night (it grows increasingly Beatle-y as it goes along):
“Drive My Car” (1965’s “Rubber Soul”)
“Jet” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
“Only Mama Knows” (2007’s “Memory Almost Full”)
“Flaming Pie” (1997’s “Flaming Pie”)
“Got To Get You Into My Life” (1966’s “Revolver”)
“Let Me Roll It” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
“Highway” (2008’s “Electric Arguments”)
“The Long and Winding Road” (1970’s “Let It Be”)
“My Love” (1973’s “Red Rose Speedway”)
“Blackbird” (1968’s “The Beatles”)
“Here Today” (1982’s “Tug of War”)
“Dance Tonight” (2007’s “Memory Almost Full”)
“Calico Skies” (1997’s “Flaming Pie”)
“Mrs. Vanderbilt” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
“Eleanor Rigby” (1966’s “Revolver”)
“Sing the Changes” (2008’s “Electric Arguments”)
“Band on the Run” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
“Back in the U.S.S.R.” (1968’s “The Beatles”)
“I’m Down” (1965 single)
“Something” (1969’s “Abbey Road”)
“I’ve Got a Feeling” (1970’s “Let It Be”)
“Paperback Writer” (1966 single)
“A Day in the Life” (1967’s “Sgt. Pepper”)
“Give Peace a Chance” (1969 single)
“Let It Be” (1970’s “Let It Be”)
“Live and Let Die” (1973 single)
“Hey Jude” (1968 single)
“Day Tripper” (1965 single)
“Lady Madonna” (1968 single)
“I Saw Her Standing There (1963’s “Please Please Me”)
“Yesterday” (1965’s “Help!”)
“Helter Skelter” (1968’s “The Beatles”)
“Get Back” (1969 single)
“Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)” (1967’s “Sgt. Pepper”)
”The End” (1969’s “Abbey Road”)
And, just because it’s Thanksgiving, here’s how the set list breaks down chronologically. Fun!
THE BEATLES
“I Saw Her Standing There (1963’s “Please Please Me”)
“I’m Down” (1965 single)
“Day Tripper” (1965 single)
“Yesterday” (1965’s “Help!”)
“Drive My Car” (1965’s “Rubber Soul”)
“Paperback Writer” (1966 single)
“Eleanor Rigby”(1966’s “Revolver”)
“Got To Get You Into My Life” (1966’s “Revolver”)
“A Day in the Life” (1967’s “Sgt. Pepper”)
“Sgt. Pepper” (Reprise)” (1967’s “Sgt. Pepper”)
“Hey Jude” (1968 single)
“Lady Madonna” (1968 single)
“Back in the U.S.S.R.” (1968’s “The Beatles”)
“Blackbird” (1968’s “The Beatles”)
“Helter Skelter” (1968’s “The Beatles”)
“Get Back” (1969 single)
“Something” (1969’s “Abbey Road”)
“The End” (1969’s “Abbey Road”)
“Give Peace a Chance” (1969 John Lennon single)
“I’ve Got a Feeling” (1970’s “Let It Be”)
“Let It Be” (1970’s “Let It Be”)
“The Long and Winding Road” (1970’s “Let It Be”)
WINGS
“My Love” (1973’s “Red Rose Speedway”)
“Live and Let Die” (1973 single)
“Band on the Run” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
“Jet” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
“Let Me Roll It” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
“Mrs. Vanderbilt” (1974’s “Band on the Run”)
PAUL McCARTNEY
“Here Today” (1982’s “Tug of War”)
“Calico Skies” (1997’s “Flaming Pie”)
“Flaming Pie” (1997’s “Flaming Pie”)
“Dance Tonight” (2007’s “Memory Almost Full”)
“Only Mama Knows” (2007’s “Memory Almost Full”)
THE FIREMAN
“Highway” (2008’s “Electric Arguments”)
“Sing the Changes” (2008’s “Electric Arguments”)
10 p.m. Thursday. ABC.
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I'll be in a taking a nap from eating too much turkey not from boredom watching this.
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'Cause the Mets SUCK.
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wrote years ago McCartney?
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which one song would that be?
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...and they were great effing shows. He's had such a kick-ass band since Linda died.
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...the one they play on the radio.
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when some asshole would call out Paul and not Ringo ...you know...cause Ringo is the luckiest drummer that ever lived. And if you don't like the Beatles than i guess you don't like music.
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Look at your list.
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He gets to sleep with Barbra Bach every night.
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but he is still the luckiest drummer in the history of rock n roll...he was simply adequeate.
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Sir Paul was the ladies man of the group. and pete best was a better puller then paul. best had to go. Even though best formed the group with his mums help. Best´s mum ran the casbah club. But all that was airbrushed out of beatles history by Brian Epstein.
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i saw him in northwest indiana under the handle of "Best of the beatles"
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If PB was so great, like all the Ringo bashers have insisted for decades, why didn't he ever break out with another group? I'm not saying he sucked. But neither did Ringo, and he could get along with the rest of the group. apparently Pete couldn't or wouldn't.
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Paul "Gee I'm still living off the dozens of hit songs I wrote or cowrote and performed with the biggest band ever as well as a decades long solo career" McCartney? That's what I thought.
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Honestly. Stupidest thing I've ever heard any one say with conviction. Did you see that set list? I've listened to everyone song on that list at least 100 times in my life. You're a god damn fool son.
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This will be great. Have seen Paul in concert several times, and the man knows how to work a crowd. I have heard these songs hundreds of times, but they never get old...much like Paul.
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that paul is "living off of". if you're a total dumbass who thinks those are the beatles only contribution to pop music, or you are 12. anyone find it odd that he does "something" and "give peace a chance" in concert?
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I saw McCartney in Halifax this summer and he did almost the exactly same set. It was great I might add. He does "Something" as a tribute to george and "give peace a chance" as a tribute to John, so it's not really that odd.
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despite all these years, my entire life practically of buying records and tapes and CDs, all the concerts i've been too, that 700+ long list of songs on my MP3 player..after all that it turns out that since i dont like the beatles that i dont even like music...damn, who knew.
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Nov 26, 2009 8:37:14 AM CST
well, at least there were some hits at Citi Field this year
by magic rat
Fucking mets.
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is a control freak. behind all that fab macca stuff. lies a ruthlessly driven individual. who saw the beatles as way to further his career. Macca always wanted to go all the way. and even talked to epstein about managing his career after the fab four had split. There are two stories about bests departure from the band. one is that paul was jealous his pullling power and the other goes something like this. for a long time noa best and brian epstien were lovers. When she got tired of epstiens controlling nature, she showed him the door and married the man who would become pete bests dad. Epstein, who never forgot a grudge took his revenge by setting the cavern club and giving the beatles thier first concert. noa best and her casbah club were written out of the beatles history completely and pete best got fired because epstien did not want to be reminded of his past replaced best with ringo starr. John Lennon never forgave Paul McCartney for that. McCartney hated lennons friends.
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the old rolling stones stuff. unlike the beatles. The stones will split when they all die. at this stage not long to go....
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macca got arrested in japan. all those decades ago.
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but if I had the power to choose which Beatles were to live, I would have gone with Lennon and Harrison over McCartney and Starr.
There is something slightly off putting about McCartney - even with all his good causes. I preferred the quieter, seemingly more thoughtful way of Harrison.
The reasons for Lennon are obvious: Despite being a bit of an egomaniac, you can't help but admire his talents and wonder what would have been if he had survived the assassination.
I told you this would sound horrible. Now I feel shame. -
britain in the 1960 was the music powerhouse. borrowed largely from US. in fact more than just borrowed..........
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two days before he was shot was deemed so shocking it has been aired. all his hatred for mcCartney, all of the stored bile came out. I saw a doc that was aired on the bbc and in it the real reason for the beatles split was that they were all fed up each other and of epstein. Epstein flew first class. but maintained that he flew economy. that final tour in the us demoralised all of them.
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I do wonder was yoko ono in on her husbands murder. She has fought for years to keep chapman inside. guy is a loon. people blame yoko for the break up of the band. she is one of the manipulative people. one last Lennon story. I dont doubt he was an asshole. around the time they became involved maharahshi yogi, lennons first wife Cynthia, recalled they went out to india to maharashi yogi and lennon turned round to cynthia and said you take the bag. cynthia was shocked and protested but lennon snarled at her and said I am a member of the biggest band in world now take the damn bag. cynthia was pretty much cut a drift.
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yet, you're the shitheads that are in every god damn Avatar and Trek thread saying the movie is bad when you haven't even seen it yet. Fuck off Beatles lovers.
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thread...and I think you're a dumbass. I guess it's an opinion shared by all walks of life.
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You think I'm a dumbass for hating your precious Beatles?
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Nov 26, 2009 11:51:24 AM CST
Locksbrokenleg, you are indeed a dumbass for hating the Beatles
by spyguy
Kindly fuck off and go listen to your favorite Miley Cyrus CD while the grownups are talking.
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Personally, I think Queen is much better.
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I have eyes, cognitive functions, and access to your posts.
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People can hate the Beatles. thats not a crime. its music, its art, its SUBJECTIVE. He said Paul McCartney is a hack making money off one popular song for decades. That is an OBJECTIVELY stupid fucking comment coming from a complete douche. There are facts and there are opinions. The fact is that is an incorrect and retarded statement.
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Crow3711 for the win..and it's good!
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It is a problem that many suffer from on these boards: assuming that because you yourself have an opinion, it must rule over all. There is nothing wrong with Locke not enjoying the Beatles, although it does make me wonder about one's sanity who cant listen to "Ticket To Ride" and find it enjoyable. Different Strokes for different folks. However, where the problem comes in is that 99.3% of the world's population disagrees. Now, that doesnt make Locke wrong. It just makes him in the gigantic, "maybe 179 other people in the world feel this way" minority. So, for someone to come in arrogantly spouting an opinion that 99.3% of the world disagrees with as if it was fact, and then acting douchey when people react......what did you expect? Obviously, you must have expected people to think your a retard. So, in summary, Locke isnt wrong for disliking the Beatles. BUT he definately is a prick.
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Asimov with his Star Trek fetish, just cut and paste the above statement, it applies there too.
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Going to see him on December 20th in Dublin. I'm excited.
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Where about in NW Indiana?
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It just... can't be done. Just sayin'...
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why the fuck. do you use. so many fucking. periods.?
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Because, Media Messia, used up all, the commas, and Hercules!!! used! up!! all! the!!! exclamation!!! points!!!!!.
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the Star Plaza
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epstein was a homosexual, so i dont know about that affair with pete's mum. also, he passed away a few years before the beatles actually broke up. a contributing factor to the souring relationships in the band had to do with choosing a new manager. paul wanted linda's dad, the rest of them wanted allen klein.
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that kind of makes up for his musical shortcomings. the others were too busy smiling like robots while he was natural, also why they made him central character in Help!
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he wrote Helter Skelter ffs. one of the earliest metal songs ever. god bless him.
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Nov 26, 2009 6:57:57 PM CST
Paul is a professional and has still got the chops to perform we
by chain
we should all be so spry and productive at that age.
His contributions to music are considerable. "Yesterday" and "The Long and Winding Road" are just a couple of examples of his brilliant songwriting talent.
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Best McCartney song.
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Neither of them was ever as effective alone as they were together. John pushed Paul to be a bit more edgy then his natural "silly love song" tendencies would normally allow. Paul pushed John towards a bit more accesability then his Yoko-inspired sensibilites would normally be. Look at The White Album, the Beatles album generally considered to be 4 solo albums under one roof. Critical consensus has always been that that is the weakest and most uneven of the Beatles' work. MAke no mistake though, all of them were responsible for the breakup. Paul's hard driving ambition, John's crippling insecurity and anxiety, and George's feelings of being stifled. No one person was responsible, or even mostly responsible.
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I thinik Locke was talking about that good song McCartney wrote....as for The Beatles breaking up....as their experiences and interests expanded they stretched to the point where the band had to break up.
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Jeez, I make ONE fucking comment about McCartney and the whole fucking Beatles fan club shows up.
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The Beatles were the greatest band ever. I watched the show tonight and thought it was great that they included "Here Today". I saw Paul in 93 and hope I get the chance again. Still sounds great. Still hurts the heart hearing those songs with out John.
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Not nearly all of us have shown up. Yet.
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is incredibly dumb. Not because he's bashing Paul or the Beatles, it's because it's so ridiculous. Either with the Beatles or on his own Paul has put together a staggering body of work. He had many, many hits throughout the 60's, 70's and 80's. He's STILL winning Grammys! You may not like it, but the charts don't lie. Paul is really the opposite of that guy living off his one hit. I get it how someone wouldn't like Paul, but you can't argue that he's a one hit wonder.
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Nov 27, 2009 12:29:32 AM CST
Read the article that came out in Rolling Stone a couple of mont
by jjwalrus
Very good article. Basically it laid the blame of the Beatles breakup on Lennon. I would tend to agree with it. Lennon wanted out... There were other factors at play as well but ultimately Lennon killed the Beatles. It wasn't very flattering to John but to be fair, I can't blame him for wanting out. A grown man tethered to his childhood friends...I can see why bands break up after awhile. It's natural. Paul steered that group through it's most creative years (Rubber Soul and afterward). I know Paul doesn't make for a very good dorm room poster but damn it if he isn't the greatest artist to come out of that group.
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Lol, did I bash the Beatles? I made a fucking offhand comment and the 100 Beatles fans come whipping through here because they can't take a fucking joke. I never SAID he was a one hit wonder. I'm saying that he should focus more on new things because he can never top being a Beatle.
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You may as well have said he was a one-hit wonder (after all, you accused him of being somebody still cashing in on "that one song" he wrote years ago). Your ignorance still shines through. He should focus more on new things? What the fuck does that even mean? Do you want him to take up knitting or something?
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Was it really? Oh darn. Maybe you better stay out of any Avatar or Star Trek thread then. Your head might explode.
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We'll only talk about what we know. I'll stay away from Avatar threads as long as you steer clear of the once-in-a-while music posts. I've never seen Avatar, and you've never listened to the Beatles.
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I've seen Locke demonstrated to be an idiot multiple times; all us us Talkbackers have.
But never as clearly as today. Good Job, Herc. *solemn salute*
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more people are attacking my comment than posting about the actual concert.
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The concert telecast sucked nuts, simply for the editing of old footage with new. I've seen the old concert, didn't need it spliced in with the recent one.
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Nah, your just a moron. And either you're 12, or you know exactly what your saying to start some shit. Every single time.
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the best book ever and I mean ever written about lennon is Philip Normans bio called lennon. Lennon and he were life long friends. So it was fitting that he got to write the definitive biography of his friend.
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also had a very bitter, toxic relationship with his mom. who was a very frightening figure.
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Thats what I was referring to when I said they are all responsible. People think Macca was this greedy corporate stooge torturing the poor, pure artist Lennon. Far from the truth. The bottom line is that LEnnon was an emotional and mental train wreck through most of his life, and was a driving force behind the Beatles dissolution. AS far as his hatred of McCartney, depends on what day you asked him. On Thursday, he might hate him. On Sunday, he might talk about re-uniting the Beatles. He was an odd dude.
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The Beatles fan club you are referring to consists of everyone in the world other then you, so not everyone has showed up yet. Nothing more tedious then a blatent troll who says something perfectly calculated to draw attention to himself, and when attacked over whatever retard comment he has made, throws his hands up innocently saying "Geez, what did I do? You all are so SENSITIVE!!"
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You're a fucking moron. The "Ringo Shuffle" was responsible for providing the backbeat to more hits than any band you're into and was aped (Oasis) to even more hits. If you are looking for innovation, go listen again to his beat on "Tomorrow Never Knows" and oh yeah, go choke on your own shit.
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Ringo may not be as flashy as other drummers, but he was the rock solid foundation to the Beatles music. According to the Beatles Anthology, he was also the first to quit the group, but was convinced to come back by both Paul and John.
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Destroyed his life. she was a domineering control freak. cynthia lennon said they had to get married in secret, lennons mother hated her that much. and their relationship. she was a terrifying monster. Lennons mother was.
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No, it;s this site. You can't post a comment on here with 100 people attacking you. I just sit and laugh that people could get so uptight about one comment. Lol. Enjoy your Bealtes Rock Band.
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On Letterman a few months ago (did a few songs from the Late Show marquee on Broadway), McCartney said, "Here was a chance to restore the songs to their owners," regarding MJ not selling the songs \back to him. That is the most DISINGENUOUS FUCKING STUPID, UNSELF-AWARE THING I'VE EVER HEARD. So MJ said to Paul, "It's just business..." And Paul imitated him saying it in the high voice during the interview. Meanwhile, Harrison, Lennon, and the rest of Wings (not sure about Ringo) have ALL gone on record saying Paul is a fucking douchebag when it comes to business and all traces of friendship just go out the window. He is NOTORIOUS for being an astute and difficult businessman.So when the time came that he COULD buy back the songs, he and Yoko (probably worth a combined $200-300 million at the time), bid TWENTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS... for the Beatles catalogue... the whole shebang. MJ's bid was FORTY-SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS. Nearly double their's... so he made an astute business decision, one that Macca RECOMMENDED he make by saying, "You gotta get into publishing, that's where the money is." Meanwhile, McCartney owns the publishing to TONS OF OTHER ARTISTS, whose families are probably fucking poor and could use the royalties, and he gives Jackson shit for doing the exact same thing to him? And Paul ain't exactly starving either, he's worth over a billion dollars... probably the richest man in pop music. THEN, McCartney makes other offers over the years that we can only speculate how 'fair' they were, but he claimed on Howard Stern that it was 'fair market value'. DOUBTFUL, since MJ was more than willing to sell off half the catalogue for $97 million to Sony in the mid-90's. It just pisses me off that he shits on MJ's memory on Letterman when he has earned millions doing the exact same thing to less fortunate artists(as well as the other Beatles), but when it's done to him, it's just not right. Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles, they're my favorite musical artists of all time, but that is just BULL-FUCKING-SHIT, and I wouldn't be surprised of Harrison and Lennon (wherever they are) were laughing their asses off and high-fiving Jackson for getting one over on 'the business-minded one'.
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It's a little known fact that once he got the rights back, McCartney changed some of the Lyrics to honor his ex wife Heather Mills. They include, for example: "Norwegian Wooden Leg", "Baby, you CAN'T drive my car", "I wanna hold your leg" and "I saw her leaning there". The mans a genius.
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I get that there are people who don't like The Beatles or their music - I just don't get it. A thousand years from now (assuming we haven't blown everything to bits) Elvis and The Beatles will be what's remembered of the 20th century artistically.
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Someone has to crunch some numbers and be astute enough to know how to maximize their success. Why people hate a guy who's good at math is beyond me. Probly the same reason people hate smart Asian kids...
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some of them, dont like the idea of commerce and art. Most artists are savy business people.
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I was 6 years old when lennon shot dead. I am fully realize how ground breaking they were. There are very few artists living who wrote some of the greatest of songs of the 20th century and those songs will be played and replayed endlessly. other song writers would be benny and bjorn from abba. but that is about it. or burt Bacharach and hal david. I cannot think of anymore right now. England in the 1960s and 1970s pretty much shaped the world musically. wasnt just liverpool, manchester, bristol, london. Scott walker too was a genius. There has never been a better interpreter of Jacques brel. he and irishman jack lukeman. Walker is the best.
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Correction.
'A thousand years from now (assuming we haven't blown everything to bits) Elvis, The Beatles, and CHINESE DEMOCRACY will be what's remembered of the 20th century artistically."
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the beatles were geniuses. Spesking of geniuses. to this day nobody knows what bohemian raphsody is all about. I am the walrus is one of the greatest songs ever written. Whats it all about is anyones guess. everyone thought Lucy in the Sky with diamonds was a reference to LSD. it was a picture of a woman called Lucy that julian lennon drew when he was a small child. she died a couple of months ago. About this Mcartney died stuff. I think that is all a reference to him as an artist.
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that no one has mentioned Sir George Martin. one the great producers of twentieth century. along with others of course. But he towers over everything.
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are you deliberately trying to wind people up?
'even talked to epstein about managing his career after the fab four had split' how did he manage this, with a Ouiga board?
Also Lennon's mother Julia was dead when John and Cynthia got married, she'd been dead for 5 years. I suggest you re-read Normans excellent biog and pay attention next time.
Also I agree its ridiculous to say that if you dont like the Beatles then you dont like music. That said without the Beatles and their influence many bands post 1970 wouldn't have existed without them. There is an saying, you either love the Beatles or you don't know the Beatles. -
Is starring As john Lennon. in a 90 min film about Lennon and the break up of the beatles to be shown on BBC 4. by robert jones. out next month is the eagerly awaited debut from Turner prize winning artist Sam taylor Wood. called Nowhere Man. which charts the early and formative of life of John Lennon. this has been getting rave reviews.
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My mother was more of an opera fan. not long before she died she passed my bedroom and I was listening to fab maccas back in the us CD and I also have the dvd. and my mother asked me what the music was and I told her it was the beatles and she told me it sounded very nice. I also have the blue album. I did have much bigger collection but I was buying too many things and we had a clear before My mum died. or as she was dying.
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on the bbc about the long lost film that was the beatles very last concert appearance in the US. and before you bash me over the head if you want to blame the time watch team go right ahead. McCartney did indeed have a conversation with Epstein about brian managing him long after the beatles had bitten the dust.
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untill I saw that I would have been in the yoko ono broke up the beatles camp. no longer. it was a fascinating program to watch.
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was a byproduct of 4 guys who were just tired of each other. these guys were spending so much time together under immense pressure and scrutiny. I don't think I an blame Yoko or Paul or changing managers...sometimes you just get tired of people, no matter how great, creative or dynamic they are. Anyone with a wife understands those feelings.
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As for shitting on MJ's memory..I think MJ did that himself when he fucked prepubescent boys. Paul's comments were spot on about this freak. He counseled MJ on investing in music and MJ knifed him in the back by buying the rights to his creative works. That would piss anybody off. The world is a better place now that this self-hating, sexual freak is taking a dirt nap.
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Lennon discovered that epstein had his own private jet and told the fab four that he flew enonomy class like they did. Epstein stayed in the luxury suite in the top hotels. Lennon felt betrayed. the beatles were tired, drained and exhausted and bitter. but they changed the face of music forever. and when word got out in the music business as to the way epstien treated the band. there was uproar. continous touring ended. bands demanded and got a bigger say in how they were treated by their managers.
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Do you mean when the Beatles stopped touring in 1966? Epstein died in 1967, the Beatles 'bit the dust' so to speak in 1970. Where are you getting the information on Epstein from cause it's rubbish.
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type in timewatch and select beatlemania. go watch. superb
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I saw this on BBC Four back in September
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... anything from Let It Be was recorded BEFORE anything from Abbey Road.
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of the documentary.
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You are a font of misinformation.
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doc on the bbc. not about myself.
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in japan drugs are banned. as they are all over asia. so how on earth did fab macca end being caught taking drugs in japan. when he knew they were banned. or did he know? we will never know because it is subject that fab macca wil never talk about.
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You spread these "facts" and then when you get called on it you say "don't blame me, blame time watch."
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Really, Emeraldboy? I thought his mom abandoned him when he was a child? Thought she was too care-free to raise a child so she left him with relatives? She died long before John was married. He had a "bitter and toxic relationship" with his mom? He adored her and was crushed when she died. And "Lucy" was a classmate of Julian's when he was a child, not some "woman". You don't know what you're talking about.
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... Lennon/McCartney were the best. I also think others will eventually be remembered for what they wrote as well. Examples: Holland/Dozier/Holland; Lieber & Stoller; Bacharach & David; King & Goffin; Gershwin & Gershwin; Cole Porter; Rodgers & Hammerstein, etc. Perhaps Abba tunes will be remembered fondly - just not by anyone who thinks like me.
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had turned Rock instead of staying pop, we would we all be saying the same about JC and Justin?
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You're comparing a band that played their own instruments and didn't rely on choreography and "Sleight of Band" to capture an audience. Oddly enough, the best competition America had to offer was the Beach Boys. I don't recall the American public picking them apart - or does your argument rely solely on the Beatles being American. When I think of the boy bands of the '60s, I see the Four Tops, the Temptations, the Pips - as long as you don't include Gladys Knight - etc. Great songs and inspired choreography. These were the guys who pioneered the boy band craze. Tell me, PoohGuy, how many #1 songs have you written and performed? How many continuous decades have you been in the top 5 earners in the music industry? How many arena-sized concerts have you sold out? How many of your nearly 50 year old songs still sell? I'll tell you what - take a Beatles course at a nearby university. You may find that their music was a helluva lot more complicated than you thought. Just the opening chord of "A Hard Day's Night" was studied for decades before the secret was unveiled by a music professor. Sometimes it takes a lot of interesting steps to make something sound as simple as "Hold Me Tight" while including a lot of flourishes. Perhaps even a simple music appreciation course might do you some good.
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being controlling and objecting to the wedding... As someone else mentioned she died when he was a teenager. The real mother figure in John's life was his Aunt Mimi.
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basically abandoned him. Aunt Mimi raised him. Unfortunately neither his father or mother could be controlling monsters... they weren't around enough.
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Ringo was a very good drummer with a modest voice. He suffers by comparison because the 3rd best songwriter in the group wrote "Something" and "My Guitar Gently Weeps". There's nothing wrong with Ringo... the Beatles just had 3 incredible songwriters and one guy who played the drums.
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Nov 29, 2009 2:00:29 AM CST
It will be very interesting to see the reaction to the two
by emeraldboy
major films on tv and cinema on the later and early parts of lennons life. nowhere boy is out next month, is directed by sam taylor wood, turner prize winning artist. and the other is lennon written by Robert jones stars christopher Eccleston. will be on bbc 4 late next year.
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while the rest of the beatles contributed something to culture even after they broke up. fab macca had wings, john had his very short solo career, which ended when he was shot dead. Harrison had his own massive solo career and as well as the travelling wilburries. ringo was...em...the...narrator...for thomas the tank engine. and later of course did that vary famous episode of the simpsons where he was painted by Marge simpsons who was a huge fan. Ringo starr only ever contributed two songs to the beatles yellow submarine and octupusscannon es garden in the shade. When you have a group which is dominated by two of the biggest songwriting geniuses of the latter half of the 20 century. It can be hard to get a look in. Harrison had to push very hard to get his songs included. Harrison was third song writing genius in that band. ringo not so much. but ringo will and for the rest of post beatle days beatle as the narrator of thomas the tank engine. "thomas the tank engine rolled into the station" "its the fat controllor".
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Enough! Stop taking crap. Ringo wrote 'Don't Pass Me By' and 'Octopus's Garden' not Yellow Submarine (that was Paul). Here's a tip, check your facts before posting. It's great you're a fan but you need to stop sharing your 'version' of established facts.
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And don't even make me go to the trouble of listing all of the great names Ringo has collaborated with post-Beatles. If you're so impassioned about the group, do yourself (but, moreso, all of us) a favor: more researching, less teaching. You're spewing more misinformation than Fox News.
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So much so that Lennon sent him a telegram congratulating him and asking him to write him a number 1 song. Stop talking out of your ass and learn something.
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you sound idiotic.
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The drum fills on the song "A Day in the Life" are so complex. You could take a great drummer today and still not get his sound. It was all very minimal but so precise.
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who calls him that. impressionist have been saying that for years. followed by the two thumbs up! uk impressionists.
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you would have thought Sir Paul would have given women a wide berth. days after he had divorced mucca. he starts an affair another woman. and ends her marriage.
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Nov 30, 2009 9:10:58 AM CST
I'm sure you have the facts straight in that one, too, Emeraldbo
by juemad
Care to comment on any of the other facts you have wrong?
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And don't fucking kid yourself into thinking there would be a Beatles without Muddy Waters
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Don't forget Gene Vincent, Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochrane, Elvis Presely, Fats Domino, Jerry Lee Lewis and Buddy Holly who all influenced the Fab Four.
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and i not going challenge them. Sir Paul knows dermot o leary and they have spoken about the possibility of sir paul appearing on x-factor. that would certainly blow strictly out of the water. A beatles night with one of the founders of the greatest pop band of all time. fab as sir paul doesnt say. dont rule it out. sir paul loves x-factor. he likes jedward.
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mentioned mentioned in celticans post are dead except for jerry lee lewis.
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Why do you refuse to respond to the dozens of people who've taken the time respond to your posts? Are you that inconsiderate? Here's a brief rundown of the path this thread has taken, if you haven't noticed: You type bits and pieces of bullshit into existence. Somebody responds to correct your blatant misinformation. Then, instead of addressing how ass-backwards some of your "facts" have been...you just throw out more imagined Beatles "facts" to be refuted...as if anybody puts weight in your word. If you want to partake in a Beatles conversation, respond to the claims that you've just been making shit up. If your goal is to type hollow, baseless paragraphs that everybody ignores, well...keep doing your thing.
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is that then?
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(1) That Epstein had a love affair with Pete Best’s mother. (2) Lennon’s “very bitter, toxic relationship” with his mother. (3) Lennon’s marriage to Cynthia having to be “kept secret” from his then deceased mother. (4) Paul wanting (a then dead) Epstein to manage his solo career post Beatles break-up. (5) Lucy as “some woman” from Lennon’s childhood, as opposed to a young classmate. (6) Your assertion that Ringo Starr didn’t see solo success post-Beatles. (7) Your claim that Ringo only ever wrote two Beatles songs, and that Yellow Submarine was one of them.
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...that others in this talkback have already pointed out! Instead of responding to ANY of the people calling bullshit on "your version" of the facts...you just keep right on with "your version" of the Beatles biography, with no concern for the truth.
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Nov 30, 2009 3:39:09 PM CST
Look i fully accept that there are two sides every story..
by emeraldboy
I think that by and large the story of the Break up of the beatles was largely pinned on yoko ono for too long. I dislike yoko ono as much as the next person but it is utterly simplistic to say that she was solely responsible for the breaking up of one of the greatest bands of the 20th Century. if not the greatest pop band off all time. Re john Lennon. Cynthia lennon in 1978 wrote a slim volume about her ex husband which was castigated. three decades later she wrote another not long after Yoko ono had published hers. This is called book peddling. Where you write a book about your dead ex husband and in the book claim this and that and people only have her word to go on. In that book a much darker picture of lennon emerges. Regarding Ringo Starr, this is the same ringo starr who said the beatles fans were the best in the world and then was compelled to make a youtube video where he pleaded with fans to stop sending him stuff and then told any beatlle fan who wouldnt to fuck off..regarding Pete Best. Paul Called the Shots in the band and there was only one ladies man in the Group and that was Paul McCartney. though they were all ladies men. Ring and george took in wife swapping. Patty Boyd ended being mrs george Harrison and Barbara bach ended Mrs Ring Starr. That is what my Guitar gently weeps all about. McCartney and lennon were the two dominant song writers in the band. Harrison rarley gave interviews but his frustration at the dominance of McCartney and Lennon was well known. not long after the The famous wife swap that he and ringo engaged in. He handed Paul the lyrics of song he had written called My Guitar Gently weeps and McCartney was said to be taken aback at the beauty of the lyrics and included them on the album they were about to release. The best song Harrison ever Wrote was fool on the hill. At the center of the beatles was however an running row between McCartney the perfectionist control freak. and Lennon the song writing genius who regarded himself as the creator of the beatles and sole song writer. Lennon had a very sharp tongue and could be a very cutting individual hence the comment about the beatles being bigger than jesus. Finally to wrap things up in the Uk in 1980s long after the phoney beatlemania had bitten the dust to quote joe strummer of the clash. Paul McCartney did not have an easy time from the press. He was wealthy beyond his wildest dreams. Had been into of the biggest bands of the 1960s and 1970s was a solo artist of immense stature. He was the only artist to write, record, produced and perform the bond theme live and let die and compose the score. McCartney was seen in the 1980s as something of a joke. The frog Song didnt really help matter. neither did a ill fated appearance on Bread the carla lane classic comedy and that is where fab macca comes from. Linda herself got pilloried by the presss. All that ended when she died. Single biggest mistake McCartney made was not to listen to to everyone who told him to stay away heather Mills. A decision he later hugely regretted. But in the end McCartney has always been the one in control of the beatles. I am glad that he is at least paying tribute to his former bandmates. He should have left things as they were. Lennon and McCartney. The beatles remain one the greatest and most influential bands of the 20th Century and that is point I wont argue.
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why did brian Epstein erase all history of the casbah club from the beatles history. Why did it take 40 years or more for paul McCartney to acknowledge it was noa best who gave them their first gigs. there is a beautiful coffee table photograph book which tells the true story of noa bests involvement. All the photographs in that book were deeemed lost untill, noa bests house was due to be demolished and pete bests sister rang him and told him to get down to house straight away. the removal men had found a trunk of noa bests belongings and in that were old photographs of casbah club. the very first venue were the beatles got their break. Pete Best put that book together. and they invited people to the book launch. the only person who didnt turn up was sir Paul McCartney. and he didnt even give a reason for not being there. bastard.
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Your entries have seriously the most entertaining garbage I've read in a long time.
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noa? it's MONA BEST. Dont ever go into business as a Beatles tour guide.
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'The best song Harrison ever Wrote was fool on the hill' OMFG are you serious? you are one funny mofo
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McCartney and lennon are the greatest song writers of the latter half of the writers. if one were to do a poll of the very best I would put lennon and McCartney top of the pile. with Benny and Bjorn from Abba 2nd. Maurice, barry and robin gibb 3rd. 4th Holland, Dozier, holland. 5th Shane MCgowan.
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latter half of the 20th century.
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Ringo not only wrote the majority of Lennon/McCartney songs but he also secretly doubled his singing voice over Lennon's because Lennon's voice was so thin on record. Paul was to reveal all of this in his planned autobiograph, "Macca Do" but a threatened lawsuit from Ringo nixed those plans. You should really see the homemade documentary by Emo Phillips to really get a handle on all of the facts. It's a little hard to find but well worth the effort.
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lennon was riddled with frustration, jealousy and bitterness. i mean he co-founded. one of the greatest groups of all time. but his record voice was thin. but if that is true about ringo writing the majority of the beatles songs. I am dumb founded. It does cement a suspicion that McCartney and lennon really hated one another. it explains why McCartney changed the song writing credits from lennon and McCartney and back again. Here is a weird one. for a long nobody knew i am the walrus was about. the walrus is debatable paul mcCartney. They attempte to write a play. which mcCartney abandoned after three days and one of the characters was called semolina pilchard. then there is that theory and I for one dont really buy it about McCartney drowning during the photo shoot for AbbeyRd Cover. people have read the following line as a clue"sitting in english garden waiting for the van to come" they say is a reference to McCartney dying. but it could be a pointed barb by Lennon about McCartney being creatively dead. who knows?
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is superb. no beatles no oasis. no oasis who cares?
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1.Best actor of the bunch, that's why he was given the most to do in movies.
2.Been banging Barbara Bach for 30 years.
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