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Tuesday 18-49 finals:
4.4 (4.1) (4.4) (4.3) (3.3) (4.7) (4.5) (4.3) (4.6) (4.8) NCIS
4.3 (3.2) (3.5) (3.1) (3.0) (3.4) (2.9) (2.6) (2.6) (3.5) Dancing With The Stars
4.3 (3.4) (3.7) (3.6) (2.1) (3.9) (3.5) (3.6) (4.1) (4.4) NCIS Los Angeles
3.5 (3.7) (3.8) (3.5) (3.7) (3.9) (3.5) (3.7) (3.6) (3.1) The Biggest Loser
3.1 (3.1) (3.8) (5.0) (----) (----) (----) (----) (---) (---) V
2.8 (2.6) (2.8) (2.7) (1.8) (2.8) (2.8) (2.9) (3.1) (3.1) The Good Wife
2.1 (2.4) (2.3) (2.4) (2.5) (---) (---) (2.5) (2.4) (---) So You Think You Can Dance
1.9 (1.9) (1.9) (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) The Jay Leno Show
1.7 (1.9) (1.9) (1.8) (1.8) (2.0) (1.8) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) Sons of Anarchy
1.0 (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.2) (1.1) (1.0) (1.4) (1.5) (---) The Hills
0.8 (1.0) (0.9) (1.1) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) (1.3) (---) The City
0.5 (1.1) (1.2) (1.0) (0.6) (1.1) (1.1) (1.2) (1.2) (1.0) 90210
0.4 (0.8) (0.7) (0.8) (0.4) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) Melrose Place
0.3 (0.2) (---) (0.3) (----) (----) (----) (----) (---) (---) Sherri
0.3 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (---) (---) (---) (---) Table For 12
Figures in grey represent repeats.
* With sexy goth “NCIS” forensics gal Abby crossing over into “NCIS LA” last night, both series had a good night, with the latter enjoying its biggest audience since its premiere.
* The “Dancing With The Stars” finale gave the series easily its best rating of the season, though it was down 16% from last year’s closer. “So You Think You Can Dance” hit a season low against the other dance show’s big Osmond-Osbourne finish.
* “V” halted its slide in 18-49. A promo at the end of last episode indicated the series would be back in March, and there’s little reason to doubt that now. As reported three weeks ago, it resumes production after Thanksgiving with a new showrunner in “Chuck” writer/producer Scott Rosenbaum.
* FX’s “Sons of Anarchy” hit a season low.
* “Leno” is maintaining the pace that kept it above a 1.5 average last week.
Find James Hibberd’s analysis here.
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Aaron Carter's dance was fun as fun can be to the Muppet Show Theme.
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Aaron Carter's dance was fun as fun can be to the Muppet Show Theme.
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Nov 25, 2009 9:00:09 PM CST
Should I continue to support V, or will it be cancelled??
by requisitemonkey
Network Execs, speak up!
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another kick ass episode! Lem was in it too!!! hope he becomes a permanent cast member!!!
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...for sons of anarchy's season low. I can't honestly believe people watched something else instead. Clearly they were out shooting turkey's and unwanted relatives.
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And hopefully FX keeps that under consideration, especially considering this week's episode was incredible. As far as V goes...it's not a very good show. The political commentary is weak, cliche, and muddled. If they cancel it, I certainly won't miss it.
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I don't think any of their other shows gets as good as ratings. Weird rating considering how bad ass the episode was. Hale once again finds away to fuck things up. I have little hope of that everyone gets out alive next week. For all intensive purpose the League is dead even with Mayan help Zo Bell is fucked. He goes to prison, the Nazi will make him his bitch.
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are they gonna off one of the boys, bring lem in to replace him???
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Really, V's been sitting on the dvr unwatched, and I've been checking out Sons via OnDemand and newly recorded episodes. It's a lot more entertaining than V.
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What does Chibs say to Stahl that causes her to look infuriated and hit him? I have a hard time understanding his accent sometimes.
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It's got better ratings than most of the shit on FOX!!
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DON'T MISS!!! I'm calling pumpkin and cherry.....though I hope a pecan gets in there.
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I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED!!!!
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No pies.
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HOLY FUCK! RASPBERRY!!! WOW!!! AND HOLY SHIT!!! THAT SUM'BITCH HAS A GRAHAM CRACKER CRUST!!! So awesome.
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RAT BASTARD CAMERA MAN ATE HER PIE!!!
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I didn't see the original, I basically tuned in cause elizabeth mitchell is so hot and its turning out to be a pretty good show. Yea a lot of it makes no sense but its been entertaining, especially the past 2 weeks.
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I stuck with it hoping the new guy retools the hell out of it come March.
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The original V (from what I recall, I haven't seen it in a LONG time) did exactly what good science fiction does: political commentary. It was laden with commentary on fascism and authoritarianism. Oh, and bad acting. It would have been nice if they could have updated it like Moore did with BSG (hey, there's a thought, hire RDM to run V) and added some really intelligent, perceptive, and erudite political commentary, but so far all I've seen has been ham-handed George Lucas level commentary for retards.
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I honestly hope the new showrunner can bring V back from the deep in Earth: Final Conflict territory that it's in at the moment!
or just kill it and don't air any more, because this shit just aint gonna cut it -
was awesome Tuesday night, white power weston was way pissed off killing those dudes, wish the rumble wasn't stopped though :(
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Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club Redwood Original.
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You fucking moron. Lucas films aren't about social commentary, so quit with that bullshit. The new V is great, and it doesn't need RDM. The new V isn't supposed to BE the miniseries! It's a NEW show! So fuck off and go watch District 9 again, asshole.
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Flu vaccines = bad AND the most epic line of the year: "The good news is we can heal you. The bad news is there is a long waiting list." UHC = Owned.
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You're seriously going to tell me that RoTS didn't have infantile political commentary shoe-horned into the plot with a line like, "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." Or how about this conversation between Anakin and Obi-Wan: Obi-Wan: "Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy." Anakin: "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." Please, try again, douchebag.
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They just need to plan out where they want to go and not be afraid to change direction or take it up a notch or two when they start running out of ideas. So far I'm happy though.
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And this is exactly why the new V is terrible. The people who are scared of vaccines are stupid and ignorant morons who probably go to their Doctor (if they can even afford one) and ask for antibiotics (reread that word, it has a special meaning) when they inevitably catch the flu. And yes, they clearly "owned" universal health care. Why is it that Conservatives are only willing to debate the health care systems in Canada, France, and the U.K.? Here's another interesting question. I can name literally dozens of countries, including some third world nations, that have better, and government run _universal_, health care systems than the U.S. Can you name a single nation that relies on a free-market health care system that is as successful as the top "socialized" (eeeekkk!!! socialismatists are going to destroy us!) systems? Yeah, you can't, because it's impossible. No such nation exists. And speaking of socialized health care...if socialized health care is so terrible (and a threat to the survival of the nation's democracy, according to a Republican Congressman), what's up with the 83 million Americans already covered by a Government plan (mainly, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, and the VA)? Is our military's health care system destroying Amurka? How about Medicare? Just like The Unit, V presents it's sociopolitical commentary in the laziest form of conservative "reasoning," if such a term can even be applied to what passes for conservative rhetoric these days.
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ABC confirmed "V" is safe and it will return in March!
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Nov 26, 2009 4:56:27 AM CST
I realize the anti-Obama stuff in V is purely coincidence...
by flandersbum
...and that we are seeing things that aren't meant to be there....but I still have to chuckle whenever something like the 'long wait for our free medical care' line comes up.
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The show is line-for-line straight out of real-life extreme right wing paranoia -- from the terrorists under every bed thing to the health care thing to the 'Obama/Anna is a cult of personality' thing. ABC is giving the finger to 60% of the viewing audience.
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...and on a big holiday week at that, which to me says it's pretty damn stable and has retained it audience all season long, with those that don't catch it first run one week or another catching a repeat. I don't think the show is in any danger at all of not being renewed personally. Anyway another great episode this week, and yeah, I noticed Biker Lem this week as well, looks like him and Tig have some bad blood too...ah, the life of a tv biker, eh? Wonder if he'll outlast Dutchboy on the show...Hmmm, wonder who the next Shield alum will be? Chiklis doesn't seem to have had a job since Eagle Eye came out and The Shield ended, and his Fantastic Four franchise got burnt to dust, so he doesn't have that to fall back on now either, so maybe he'll pop up on SoA in some capacity...
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.1 below it's previous low, which considering the high point for SoA was only .3 higher than this low point makes the show pretty damn stable if you ask me. And, in basic cable terms, actually quite successful at those numbers.
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fluctuations of .1 on an overnight rating mean NOTHING. It's a little thing called "margin of error" that happens when something is based on polling, which Nielsen ratings are. Now if something drops or gains .3 or more night to night, thats a little significant.
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Nov 26, 2009 10:25:45 AM CST
Anti-Obama stuff one of the many reasons not to watch V
by shutupfanboy
The other is the fact it started fast and grinded to hault. Its predictable they will never really stop the Visitors til the last season. The show will get to March and die. Its already slipping in the ratings as is. The first one was also far superior with a lesser budget and actors. Am I missing any?
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How do you know that? Are you so fucked up by Heroes that you think every show on TV must go to that same lame formula?
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V started out as completely craptacular in my opinion... an utterly pale comparison to the original and not especially good in its own right. The good news however is it seems to me to be getting a little bit better each work. Oh, it's still pretty lousy... and I'm on the fence about whether it's a waste of my time or not (Anna's daughter makes it worth watching for me though!)... but, I'm at least feeling like I'll continue to watch it, but maybe just barely.
SoA is one of the best shows going right now, I can't wait for each week. It's funny, my wife and I are as far from bikers as you could possibly get but we're totally into it... I pointed out to my wife that we are rooting for bad people... killers, gun runners, even sort of drug dealers (to the extent that they're willingly dealing with drug dealers sometimes)... these are people you would loathe in real life, yet here we are totally rooting for them! Very much like The Sopranos in that regard. Great show though overall. -
What I find so interesting about SoA is that SamCro is clearly an anarcho-syndicalist commune, though I doubt the members would identify favorably as such.
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...by creating an entertaining show that assumes its worldview rather than engaging in an intellectual discussion, and the left is flipping out. Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't it? (Not that it matters. You'll just keep propping up the boogeyman of the "successful countries with socialism" to scare people into supporting the flawed and unjust system.)
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Yes, the left is flipping out about V. Why, if you go over to Democrats.org, DailyKos, and DemocraticUnderground, it's nothing but V, V, and more V on the front pages full time. I like your little freudian slip there though. I have yet to have a conversation with a modern conservative who doesn't "assume [their] worldview rather than engaging in an intellectual discussion."
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...if you are taking either comforting political pointers or great political offence from a sci-fi drama tv show about invading space lizards, then you are seriously fucked in the head. Seriously.
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Science-fiction has a rich history of providing deep sociopolitical commentary on modern society ranging from early examples like Frankenstein to modern examples like BSG and District 9. Some of the greatest examples of modern literature are science-fiction sociopolitical commentary. 1984. Brave New World. I can go on, but if this hasn't convinced you, YOU are the one who is ignorant and fucked in the head.
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sorry dude, can't get that extra w outta my head while typing :) lol
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I think you're having a hard time having an intelligent discussion with modern conservatives because you bring nothing to the table except what the media constantly repeats, which is exactly how the left is "flipping out," like it always does: through bad reviews and setting the premise for what "good" is. No one in the real word cares what fringe websites like the Daily Kos and Democratic Underground are saying.
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...I don't patronize the traditional media because I find them to be as retarded and sloppy as you probably do.
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...I've heard that line of ethos establishment before...from people on their way to and already working in the mainstream media. The mentality is the same. You know more and are smarter than everyone else so you have to tell them how things should be.
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Dumbass.
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The Anti-Obama stuff is great! Bout damn time we the Socialist gets exposed.
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And have a Merry Christmas too! I SAID HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS! V sucks; period, and none of your political "Ghost Hunting" will change THAT! :-P***
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are retarded. Now that all the providers have gone digital, and in the age of Tivo and Hulu, you would think they could come out with a much more accurate way to determine viewership.
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Are you a lemming? Do you only follow what is safe? So you watch a show that you like and it might have the possibility of being cancelled, so what? Is your life hollow for it? Nope, you've watched a show you liked and that is all the reward you need. If you only want to watch shows that wont be cancelled then I hope you enjoy all the CSI, Law&Order, and American Idol's out there. Your favorite ice cream must be vanilla.
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Wow, you truly are fucked in the head. I mean that argument is like saying that music has a rich history of social protest and heartfelt meaning, during a debate over the latest Britney Spears song. Just because a genre or medium sometimes accomplishes great things that doesn't mean that everything in the genre is great or meaningful or reveals some greater truth. Most things really just are what they are. But no, hey, I'm sure a remake of the show about invading space lizards is really the great social and political allegory of our time. I mean it couldn't possibly be that you are reading way too much into a show about invading space lizards at all...
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I saw an episode the other day where they were basically realizing the aliens were evil, and one of the reasons was that they wanted to open free healing centers all over the world. "do you mean UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!?!? (cut to: alien raping a baby)"
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All the V aliens aren't evil. There's some that work with the humans to fight their own kind. Also, we find out later, the healing centers are brainwashing the humans.
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on the show, only the EVIL aliens want universal healthcare, and not only that, but universal healthcare *itself* is evil? how is that not pro-conservative?
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Um, clearly you are projecting your own feelings about health care onto a sci fi show. The aliens DON'T offer the humans universal health care. All the centers do is cure humans of incurable diseases.
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that was an actual line from the show. The hot alien chick was doing an interview with the journalist, and she says "we want to heal all humans", and the journalist says "you mean universal health care??" and at the same time they were showing the guys who were meeting to organize against the aliens getting killed. It was pretty obvious. My own feelings about health care are actually opposite to how the show seems to portray it (and I don't have a problem with a sci-fi show doing commentary about society, I'm just saying, the show is pro-conservative).
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The human who said that also meant it as a JOKE! Clearly YOU don't know humor if it bit you on the ass.
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Like really long.
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a joke? no. he wasn't making a joke. I think it's you who is projecting thing onto the show, since you're defending them as champions of socialism when they're clearly against it. It's no big deal, they're allowed to be wrong.
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Its just a dodgey show people. Relax. And anyone who wants to comment on universal health care should come and live here in the uk for a year, get taxed out of the arse, and get the crappy NHS.
Plus why is it your medicines actually work ? And they're cheap ! We stock up every time we visit, you don't know how lucky you are folks -
Why is health care bad? Honest question. What will it erode/destroy? Apparently there are longer waiting lists with health care. Ok, aren't there waiting lists already? Besides, if I had the choice to either wait a few months before being treated for a problem that wasn't going to kill me, or waiting a few weeks and paying tens of thousands of dollars, I think I'd wait. I know it's never that simple, but seriously, I'm just asking, wouldn't it be better? I really don't understand why some people think they'll all be shipped off to concentration camps if some kind of health care plan is implemented. Where is the evidence for such a claim?
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... to the rest of us with private insurance, we will still get better service. Universal Health care is covering those who have no coverage AND is forcing the private insurers to be more competetive since they will no longer have a lock on the market. Even the stupid conservatives should realize competetition is a GOOD thing to the people.
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...isn't so much the totally obvious political messages, as any show about a resistance in the US will come across as anti-administration, no matter which Party is in office. No, the real; problem is that the Vs are sooooo dull as villians. In the original, the aliens were back stabbing, ego maniacs driven by lust and power. In this they are all about as interesting and menacing as tax accountants. That said Elizabeth Mitchell is uber hot in it as the main Fed.
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You mean the masses that will be compelled to purchase a mandatory 'policy' whether they want to or not. That's not a lock? There is no such thing as a free lunch. Where there any possibility of profit in the kind of policies being considered, a competitive marketplace would have already emerged. Also, more consumers chasing a restrictive good drives the prices UP, not down.Read the Atlantic (Sept 2009 issue) to get a good view of why the current proposals will not reduce the cost of health care.
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and don't forget, they fucking ate rats! I loooved that. Yeah, there are some improvements, but they just don't seem 'alien' to me at all. We've seen, what, exactly 3 seconds and about two inches of exposed reptilian flesh? I was hoping in this last episode... SPOLIER ALERT... when they 'skinned' the V, we would see SOMETHING. a dead arm, half a face, something. Nope. I'm sorry, but if you have a show about invading space lizards, I WANT TO SEE SOME SPACE LIZARDS. So far, my interest is waning. No laser guns, no rat-eating, no red jumpsuits, no sunglasses, and no naked reptillian ass. FAIL
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the government is going to force people to buy something? What if they don't have any money? Will they repo your car? Your house? Will you have to serve a mandatory jail sentence of 30 days if you simply don't have the money? Is this where the concentration camp talk comes from?
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I've not read the concentration camp talk you assert, but the tax penalties are spelled out clearly in Title V of the bill the house passed. Those requirement also dovetail with the presidential address to the joint session of Congress.
Additionally, the Senate bill would raise the deductibility threshold to 10% from the current 7.5%. In real terms, the last two years I was able to deduct a couple thousand dollars in medical bills that I paid out of pocket. The new Senate proposal will effectively eliminate that. So raise the tax on the bills folks CAN and do pay themselves in order to fund insurance.
The easiest/quickest means of allowing insurance purchase would be subsidization of purchase of insurance premiums through tax credits, which is a practice currently allowed to displaced workers of select industries. Some states allow the simple deduction of health care premiums from adjusted income. A credit to the tune of the $3000/person the government claims it pays per person would go a long way to achieving coverage for the uninsured, with a minimal increase in the required bureaucracy. And THAT could be still be implented for tax year 2009. Not a perfect solution, but the proposed plans do not propose 100% coverage either, and would take YEARS to implement.
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Nov 27, 2009 11:09:12 PM CST
Leno you fuckin' sellout! Let this be your final justice!
by onin solstice
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The inside of their ships even resemble a fucking Mac 'boutique'.
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He's going to slide at first, but as people get into the routine they will come back again and again, and soon enough you'll even see other networks copying the model. If you want to know how to predict stuff the Spymunk way, just think of it like this: think of the dumbest, most ridicolus, most anti-artistic, anti-human, anti-quality, anti-intelligent choice people could make (in this case, "watching LENO") and that is what human beings in America will do. It works EVERY time. "Well, what's the outright dumbest thing American people could do in this situation?" "Watch LENO!" Hence my prediction.).
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I swear to GOD, who does not exist, that I tried to watch EFC for like four times, and every fucking time I tuned in there was nothing on screen but a dude sitting in a damn chair talking to a human who looked like he fell through a time portal from another show - a bad detective show set in New York. Was that the whole show? Did it ever leave the fucking room with the Alien Toilet Chair? Because I swear to god the alien was sitting in that chair every damn scene. He had to be taking a shit or something, it had to be a necessity.
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someone says "universal healthcare" does not automatically make a show IN ANY WAY fucking political - I don't give a flying rats arse fuck what pointless debate is going on in your country, GET THE FUCK OVER THAT SHIT!
the lizards want their frozen meals to be nice and disease free - GET IT?
enough fucking said already!
I'm more interested in how a pile that is really starting to steam now can be saved from a slow painful death in BORING Alien Toilet Chair World - some thoughts:
is it too late to recast Juliet's son? by his own confession-
http://shrunklink.com/dpjt
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is Anna's right hand man gonna turn out to be John May? that's kinda lame and cliche'd - could only possibly be worse if he turns out to be Anna, using him as a tool to root out traitors...
I vote for someone we haven't seen yet - in the form of Marc Singer
also, looks like they want to make us like - or at least sympathise with - the kid when he finds out he's been manipulated - JUST LET US HATE HIM OK?
I recently rewatched They Live and the part about people willingly going along with them made me think how V seems to be going in the opposite direction right now, showing us more protesters and the like, as opposed to collaborators - which once again comes back to doing something INTERESTING with the Tyler character...
did I mention lasers?
what the fuck is happening with the reporter?? can he DO SOMETHING that makes us care about him one way or another - I get that this rather convenient aneurysm is meant to provoke something but WHAT exactly? if he is being set up to be a Mike Donovan to expose the rat-eating-lizard conspiracy on live-tv I want to do more than groan whenever he comes on...
are they ditching the Scientist persecution with time around? will they have ANY scapegoats - what was up with the fake assassination attempt then?
I hope now that things have been set in motion we can get moving on trimming some of the fat off this show and bringing back some of the badass coolness we've all been missing
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Something happened between Firefly and V - and it wasn't kind.
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On V, universal health care is free, and therefore isn't a left-right issue because no conservative has a problem with free anything.
In real life, universal heath care can only come through taxes (ie. armed theft), running up our credit cards and destroying the dollar. That's why the comparison is nonsensical. It was just a glib line from a reporter that has had entirely too much read into it. -
If we're being friendly toward them, why wouldn't we start calling them by their own name instead of continuing to keep calling them "Aliens" to their faces?
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it's called losing 40 pounds when you only weigh 120 soaking wet in the first place.
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