Nov. 20, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST
Something needs to happen in that show NOW or I'm done with it. As for Leno, how much monger will NBC pretend everything is ok??
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST
But never got an answer. Ratings are just 'live' viewing, right? They don't factor in DVR or TiVO viewers? How can a show be consider the 'best' at it's time slot without factoring that in? I watch about 6-8 shows fairly religiously every week, but rarely do I watch any of them 'live'. Even the ones I watch that night are usually started 15-20 minutes into the broadcast so I can burn through the commercials.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST
I agree with FilmGuy. The show is on the verge of losing me forever.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST
with CSI and GRAY's FUCKING ANATOMY. Tuesday was a good night for it, even with the occasional hiatus (which we STILL GET, anyway).
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST
FOX MOVE FRINGE TO TUESDAYS. HELL MOVE IT TO MONDAY JUST DONT LET THIS SHOW DIE
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST
what was up thursday? is the pre-holiday weekend usually slow?
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST
was that because of the midnight showings of 'new moon'? all the 18-45 men that usually watch TV are getting their blow jobs for taking their girls there later.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST
by Quin the Eskimo
and no one thinks about it on Thurday
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST
A little disappointing to say the least. I really like Courtney Vance though.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST
Wasn't the game on the NFL network not ESPN?
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST
anyone know for sure if supernatural is doing a season six? i'm still loving the show, but all great shows set the bar very high for themselves, so the ho-hum episodes aren't the show's best, cause its all relative, but it seems like they might be holding back to extend it to season six, which worries me cause the great thing about the show is its pacing and builds and builds and builds toward this cliimax, which was a five year plan...<br><br>The ending was interesting--my prediction is that sam and dean died, it looked like a nuke blew up in that city, and then bobby burns the picture of the scene while sam and dean stand behind him, but bobby doesn't acknowledge them nor do sam and dean say anything to him... i LOVE the biblical parallels and biblical figures they incorporate into the show, like the michael/lucifer dean/sam, for horsemen etc. <br><br> Every time I watch supernatural it saddens me because I look at dean and I keep thinking: he was BORN TO BE Hal Jordan... if he was hal jordan, and Geoff Johns wrote the green lantern movie, i honestly think green lantern would jump up to batman movie level.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST
ESPN carries the Monday Game, NFL Network carries the Thursday Game. ESPN has universal cable coverage. NFL is still struggling to get into sports tiers.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST
I think i'll agree with you guys and jump ship soon too. I can't stand going through another episode where half of the time is taken up by seeing the flashes that we've already seen 100 times before. This and SGU are the bigest dissapointments going. Both shows have characters i don't give a shit about at all and i don't think i've seen anyone emote a smile in either
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST
The cute Japanese girl fingering the chords to "Shelter From The Storm" as she watched Bob Dylan and the Rolling Thunder Revue? Priceless. Then, the Japanese version of the song used as background music later in the episode was icing. Lots of great character moments in this episode - and I loved it!
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST
Every week. How about that Herc?
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST
Who CARES about that Doctor? He's so boring. Get back to the main storyline already!
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST
I thought Castiel just teleported them out. Either way excellent episode, I almost cried man tears.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST
the reason why so many less watch football on thursdays is becouse the nfl network is in almost 3/4 less homes then espn.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST
It's followed by Parks, which sucks rancid ass, so people seem to be finding other things to do until the Office comes on at 9pm. Community stuck on the other side of that rotting cheese known as Parks, so it suffers. Either the 8:30 or 9:30 slot would serve it better.
Nov. 20, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST
they don't watch NFL. Or they watch hockey. Or go to high school basketball.
Nov. 20, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST
Like gwarwilleatyou said, Castiel teleported them away. Lucifer can't let anything happen to Sam since he is his vessel. It really hit the fan in that ep though, I can't believe some of what went down.
Nov. 20, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST
when Dominic Monaghan came on board, but the commercial featured Dom saying: "We have to tell people that we're responsible for the Flashforward!" It is insulting enough to have a character announce that in their first appearance, but - in the COMMERCIAL? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Nov. 20, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST
Dom wasn't the one announcing that. His character doesn't WANT to tell people. The guy he knows, Llyod, wants Dom to tell the world.
Nov. 20, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST
I don't understand the hate. And Fringe is boooooring this second season. It's really hard to watch.
Nov. 20, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST
As mentioned earlier, it has everything to do with the NFL Network having a much smaller audience. This is primarily because NFL Network is new (2 years) and you have to pay extra to have it. ESPN comes with most basic cable packages. ALSO -- NFL Network only carries games on the Thursday during the 2nd half of the season, meaning that auds are used to it. Plus, it was Miami vs. Carolina (crappy game). And considering that, the numbers are pretty darn good.
Nov. 20, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST
and The Mentalist was great this week, I wish they would just get rid of FF, and Sunny, everybody must use the D.E.N.N.I.S system, exact same way I got my wife, lol :)
Nov. 20, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST
"NFL is still struggling to get into sports tiers."<br><br>NO! They are NOT struggling to get into sports tiers--its that they DEMAND to be included into a sports tier. There are other channels that they insist on packaging NFL network with, and cable providers aren't interested in those, nor do they think their subscribers want them. NFL Network is being so damn stubborn.
Nov. 20, 2009, 7 p.m. CST
To build off my last post, its has never been a matter of paying extra to get it. its the PACKAGE nfl network demands the cable subscribers to pay for. The packages satallite offers are much, much better suited for the demands nfl network is making--not cable, though.
Nov. 20, 2009, 7 p.m. CST
your basic package. It fucking took them a year, but it's finally on there.
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST
anyone watching 'the league?' i'm loving it. of course, the rule this year is that EVERYTHING worth watching MUST be on thursday night. no if ands or buts about it. Mentalist, Fringe, Supernatural, FlashFoward, Office, 30 rock, Parks and Recreations (actually funny this season) Community, Always sunny and now, THE LEAGUE.<br><br>Two solid comedy shows nobody is talking about: the league and tosh.0
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST
Wth are u guys talking about? I thought this week would be boring as hell from the previews which is y probably not many watched but it was pretty damn good... pretty good acting for lots of up-in-comers too!
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST
I work when most of these show are on, so Hulu is my destination for tv. And its obvious from comments by most of the people there that they also get most or all of their tv show viewing done on the site. So what about us? are we counted? And the people that go directly to the stations website for viewing, what about them? I also know of plenty of people that live off their comcast DVRs, and them?<BR><BR>Point is these shows are still being watched even if its a bit later. Is this taken into account at all by these networks?
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST
Of course, I'm Canadian so all of the expensive NFL channel content I get for (basically) free on basic cable sports network TSN (basically, ESPN in the States). So somebody is getting screwed but it ain't the Great White North. It was a crappy game, anyway. In fact, Monday nighters and Thursday nighters seem to kinda suck.
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST
...is to drop fiennes and walger (the benfords) and focus on Janis and Demetri. J & D have the most interesting stories to tell. Fiennes can't do anything other than furrow his brow (with the occassional 'blue steel' pout) and Walger is just annoying. I blame the writers more than anything, but good actors can usually make you forgive bad writing. They don't!
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST
I actually would not be suprised if leno beat MNF... i looked ahead to see who was playing on MNF, I read 'browns' and immediately exited the program guide with no desire to see who the browns were playing against. And to articulate how i felt about that game, in the words of immature talkbackers:<br><br>WHO CARES! CANCEL IT ALREADY!
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST
by Real Deal
Yes FOX this guy's got it right! Move it back to Tuesdays where it did really good! Get a clue and don't kill a great program!
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST
Alright at first I loved and defended FF. But what was so great this week? We learned more about an uninteresting character? Then we are introduced to a new character (Keiko) and should care about her heading to meet the Doc? Why? There have been some neat twist moments, but this show is dragging. I'm trying to stick with it..but damn.
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST
Sorry dude, but your vendetta against Leno is hypocrital. Where were the headlines when Dollhouse was getting caned? I love how you pick a show that you love and create a TB space for it..... and gloss over its mediocre ratings.... And yet decide to give us a ratings update revolving around Leno.... You are the exact opposite of your name.... Herc...
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST
The Monday Night NFL games have been weak??? Really? name 1 boring game before last Monday's shutout of the Browns. all of the games came down to the wire except maybe week 3. we in the states live for Monday Night Football.
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST
My understanding is that they don't know whether or not they're getting a sixth season...but the story they're telling right now they plan to wrap up this season because the overall journey they had in mind was a five year plan. So even if they get cancelled there won't be any loose ends. And if they come they just have to cook up something new.
Nov. 20, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST
We go over this every time there is a ratings post. This is live or same day DVR viewings. If you are watching online, you are not counted. The reason for this is that advertisers look at the live viewings as an indicator of what shows are being watched with commercials. If a show is highly rated, they want to air their ads during that show so more people will see their products, and hopefully buy them. This is how networks earn revenue. If ratings are low for live airings, advertisers want nothing to do with the show, and networks would lose money on that show, which is why it is canceled. Yes, networks know there are other ways to watch, but they are not making money those ways. Bottom line, they shows are not free to air or create, and need high ratings to earn back their budget, and make a profit.
Nov. 20, 2009, 8 p.m. CST
You are counted if it is the same day. They do add in the DVR numbers later on, usually in a 7 day span, but they do not mean much since networks and advertisers know people skip the commercials. As I mentioned before, these shows are not free, and networks need advertisers to create them. If people are not watching live, basically you do not count. People are probably watching these shows in huge numbers, just in different ways, and networks are going to have to figure new ways to earn money for them. I would not be shocked to see more product placement, or characters spending a lot of time in certain stores. Welcome to the future.
Nov. 20, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST
you fast forward the commercials. It's sort of the point, they only care about the captive audience forced to watch their ads while chomping on cheetos.
Nov. 20, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST
Nov. 20, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST
The ads you watch are usually paying for the bandwidth costs. Online advertising pays very little. It is a very small number compared to airing ads on TV.
Nov. 20, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU, A FUCKING FBI AGENT, GOING TO SOLVE TEH FUCKING FLASHFORWARD OF THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD WHEN YOUR WIFE GETS AN 'ANONYMOUS' TEXT MESSAGE AND YOU'RE APPARENTLY TOO FUCKING STUPID TO FIGURE OUT WHO SENT IT?!?!?!? GAHHHAHAHHAHHAHHAH.
Nov. 20, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST
seriously, it is..
Nov. 20, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST
Nothing to watch so I turned to Leno. Complete unfunny shit.
Nov. 20, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST
I watch almost everything off my dvr so i can fast forward through commercials, BUT I will stop and rewind and watch a commercial if 1) it looks like it might be funny, or 2) if it has a hot chick in it or 3) if the commercial is about something I'm interested in like video games or movies etc. I imagine I'm not the only one. So I fast forward through the tampon commercials or the fabric softener commercials or the car commercials or other products I'm not going to buy anyway, and so what, why does that matter as long as I watch the commercials for products I'm actually considering buying?
Nov. 20, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST
If this dinnae work, nothing will!!!!
Nov. 20, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST
Is this four now?
Nov. 20, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST
They showed Doctor Fate then a hand with the green lantern ring shooting green flames!
Nov. 20, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST
Man I wish we had a talkback for this show. The most recent episode hit it out of the park. 'What?! They were only demons.'. Fantastic.
Nov. 20, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST
Tonight's episode left no doubt. This is the best season yet. And it looks like it's only going to get better. Supernatural was fantastic as well. I'm actually hoping both shows are back next year, and I wouldn't have said that about Smallville a while ago.
Nov. 20, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST
Flash Forward and Fringe were greatly enjoyed in this household.<p> Yes, Flash Forward took a bit of a side trip, but it was a good one (if a bit awkward in a couple of scenes). The drama is actually moving again.<p> Fringe is getting to be a truly great show. It's had a slow build, but all the background that is set up is adding more weight to the story and character decisions. Can't wait to see this story play out further and further.<p> Quick opinionated question: Why are all the good shows on Thursday?
Nov. 20, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST
I understand they probably don't want to focus too much on story archs and reveal too much, but this show has gone the opposite direction by dropping the overarching storylines for a month at a time and focus on monster of the week episodes. It is a dumb move on their part.<br><br> This week's episode gave us some insight into the Observers and answered some, but not many questions while raising others. They need more episodes like this to keep their core audience in tact. We don't need to be spoon fed answers, but the whole impending intradimensional war, the Observer, and all the main stars' pasts shouldn't be completely ignored for 3-4 episodes at a time. With 22 episodes a season, that means that approximately 15-17 episodes are monster of the week and the rest are dedicated to mythology. Too little on the later. Unless the second half of the season is mythology focused.
Nov. 20, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST
Thursday night games are on the NFL network and that isn't carried in a lot of homes yet.
Nov. 20, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST
by nora inu
what's with the quotidian ratings updates? don't have a problem with it, its interesting, but i don't think you've done this before, certainly not this consistently.
Nov. 20, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST
Nov. 20, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST
They aren't advertised well like Mon. night games. And so far they've all been stinkers. Even if the teams had been good (which they haven't been) they are not rested up and usually play really badly. Lot's of reasons why Thurs. night games blow.
Nov. 20, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST
Supernatural is the most bad ass thing on TV. By the time Herc and the coaxial folks catch on the show will be over. Oh well, whether or not this site gives a shit it's still rock solid entertainment for those in the know.
Nov. 20, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST
and DO NOT replace Conan with Leno. There's quality on the Tonight Show now, don't let it go.
Nov. 20, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST
I had it on my PVR, watched it a couple of times. There's a shot of the golden age Green Lantern ring, Sandman, and the painting on the wall seemed to have most of the JSA in it...I could make out Star Spangled Kid and Mr Terrific. Looking forward to this episode!
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST
The future episode of smallville DOMINATED the future episode of heroes -- and that was a great heroes episode (although it made some awesome promises but, suprise suprise, they didn't deliver on ANY of them.) So much to say about tonights smallville but i'm holding back until the appropriate talkback is posted.
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST
smallville tonight had ACTION--pathetic heroes show insults the loyal viewer with patience, waiting to see the awesome and climactic superpower fight scene that NEVER came in heroes... heroes has given their viewers a bihg FUCK YOU every time you think you're going to see ACTION and they cut away and show light from the battle seeping through the closed doorway. those bastard can go fuck themselves and as much as i hate people calling for a ashow to be cancelled, i hope heroes is cancelled because they don't deserve to have jobs the way they constantly find ways to give us what we don't care about and hold back everything we want to see happen on the show--and never deliver it.
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST
They've got the two year contract, and nothing to replace it with. They've screwed themselves good, and Leno's laughing all the way to the bank, because he gets paid no matter what happens.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST
I can't believe I'm writing this, but W & the X-men actually had a really good episode tonight.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST
When the fuck did THAT happen? LOL I mean. I'm not complaining. Somewhere around last year's Legion episode, this show has really turned around. I still wish they'd move beyond the flightless "Blur" schtick, but this show has actually _started_ to feel like a superhero show done right.<p> <p> That there is the saddest thing too. With Friday ratings being...well... Friday ratings, and the budget being as high as it is, I can't imagine a Season 10 without there being significant cutbacks. <p> <p> All in all, I've been very impressed with S9 of Smallville so far. Even Welling's acting has improved. It's taken 8 years, but hey. Still think that he'd make a MUCH better Supes than Brandon "Dry as Blowjob Girl's Mouth" Routh.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST
I saw all of the S1 eps of Wolverine & the X-Men months ago. If you stick with it and watch it in series order, there's some solid writing there and an even cooler season ender.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST
Everybody with questions: NO. Hulu and all other sorts of online video services don't factor into these ratings at all.<p> The networks may factor online viewership number into their decisions, but in general they don't CARE much about it. They're in the business of selling advertising, and they can't do nearly as much of that online.<p> Now, they also sell DVDs, merchandising, and stuff, so popularity on the net matters a little, but not nearly as much as raw television ratings. Sure, it's not fair, but it's no MORE unfair than not being counting anymore because you've turned 50.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST
flashforward is fucking shit. office was hilarious too
Nov. 21, 2009, 6:08 a.m. CST
Fuck that fucking buillshit and fuck the fucking assholes who created it. Fuck them all. Fuck them.
Nov. 21, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST
Colour me completly bored and uninterested. Great show for teen girls, though, so they can lust at the femo-boys who were casted as the leads.
Nov. 21, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST
... watch BEING HUMAN. It's a UK TV show. And it uses all this so-called good emo drivel pseudo-genre shows like Supernatural and Fringe and such bullshit to mop the floor. BEING HUMAN, now that's a real genre show.
Nov. 21, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST
It's a shame considering the pilot was actually pretty decent. I capture most of my TV lineup to encode and watch later, and FlashForward keeps dropping further and further down my unwatched queue. Right now I'm 2 episodes behind - I just don't care enough about the show any more to keep watching week-by-week.
Nov. 21, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST
I feel sorry for anyone who missed the last ep
Nov. 21, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST
It shows they have their end game in sight, and all bets are off regarding who will survive.
Nov. 21, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST
Is a good show for closeted homosexuals and for those that looked at tweener j.o. material like Dawson's Creek and thought it would be cool if Pacey was a vampire and Dawson was a werewolf (and slightly more homosexual). I thought UK shows were supposed to be more cerebral--this proves otherwise.
Nov. 21, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
Although I'd certainly never argue that it's great. Serviceable network drama, a fair diversion, nothing worth all hot and bothered about. I watched two episodes last night and was mild-to-moderately engaged throughout. I didn't mind Dominic Monaghan and the other guy basically saying they are responsible for the flash forward, eventually they've gotta say what caused the thing, right? At least they maybe have a plan for the show, which is always encouraging.
Nov. 21, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST
The hunting trip was fantastic, very funny stuff from the whole cast. Andy giving piggy-back rides and unknowingly flirting with April was gold. Leslie giving lame ridiculous excuses to the ranger one after the other rapid fire editing had me rolling on the floor. I'm glad I believed in this show's potential and kept watching.
Nov. 21, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST
Already in the works. Based on the recent track record of converted UK hits to Americanized versions, it should be a bomb. There are far more "Coupling" type of failures than "The Office" type of success.
Nov. 21, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
Oh wait, I don't watch Supernatural and never have. Never mind.
Nov. 21, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST
were awesome. Everything since then has been a dull, disappointing follow-up.
Nov. 21, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST
Liar Liar pants on fire! you haven't watched one episode of Supernatural.<p>You want to see real monsters? go to the shit hole of Europe called Portugal. The "women" look like bigfoot and memories of an assholeLife unit rapes goats in the allys of Oporto.
Nov. 21, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST
it's my understanding letterman is beating conan in ratings, but by how much?
Nov. 21, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST
That pile of shit... wow.
Nov. 21, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST
Has been consistent this season on the ratings. Over the last years we've had some amazing episodes, some awful. Overall though was a show that, in hindsight, did deserve a TB. And maybe networks should start putting some of these shows on the internet for streaming, lock in adverts per quarter hour to prevent skipping. Would cut out some of the commercial problems associated with dvrs and tap into the download market.
Nov. 21, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST
Nov. 21, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST
"Fringe belongs to CANCELATION by AsimovLives Nov 21st, 2009 06:08:05 AM Fuck that fucking buillshit and fuck the fucking assholes who created it. Fuck them all. Fuck them. "<br><br>This post is a perfect example of everything that is wrong for some pathetic people... that post reads like the people who do Frings stole your girlfriend and gang banged her... Get a life you fuckin loser. (if that post was somehow supposed to mean that you really like the show fringe, i apologize.)
Nov. 21, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST
by Ninja Nerd
Flash Forward was very good this week. I did want to know why the doctor was going to kill himself when the flash happened. And the search for Keiko was well done and I liked her story. Plus, there was some good stuff with the FBI guys, the phone call from Hong Kong, and the one-legged daughter. Fringe...how could you NOT love the Observer stuff? Walter's obsession with the strawberry ice cream? The interaction with Olivia and her niece? These shows are chock full of decent to excellent writing and execution.
Nov. 21, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST
Ok, here's my question: If one of these characters HAS to die, who would you rather see live: Castiel or Bobby... as much as i love bobby, castiel is one of my top five favorite characters on all of tv right now... i'd be bummed if bobby died, but i'd be PISSED if castiel died.
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST
Agreed. I love Jim Beaver's work over the past couple of years, but the need for a Mentor has really been downgraded on the show for quite awhile. Asimov, I think the only people in the world that would call Dean 'emo' would be John Wayne and Dirty Harry.
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST
Smallville this season best its ever been. Puts heroes to shame.
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
I've never watched it as a complete show, just tuned in here and there when it was characters I was interested in seeing (Like I will tune in next week if Green Lantern is on). 9 or 10 seasons is rather daunting, when would you say the show was at it's high point, and when did the decline start to hit?
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST
I ask because I'm with Rogers, in Toronto, and TSN is not part of Basic Cable (Sportsnet is). It's a bit of a pet peeve with me whenever anyone defends TSN's monopoly of the CFL, including the Grey Cup, saying "what's the big deal, it's part of Basic Cable package".
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST
Id say it's at its peak right now, and the decline started when they killed off Jonathan Kent for no good reason. When was that? Season 5?
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST
Coming to NBC in 2011, just in time for November Sweeps, The Oprah Show, 5 nights a week at 10:00pm
Nov. 21, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST
I get the feeling Bobby is going to be cured of his paralysis and Castiel will die in the battle with Lucifer.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1 p.m. CST
The ratings that Herc posts are what's called the Nielsen Overnights, 18-49 segment. These are extrapolated numbers from Nielsen boxes provided the following day, and this "segment" Herc's presenting only shows a slice of the overall viewership. Final numbers come in up to two days later. Up to two weeks later Nielsen publishes +7 numbers that represent a combination of the final numbers plus delayed viewings, which only have a small impact on advertising contracts compared to the finals, because of commercial-skipping and date/time relevance to the advertising. Not all advertising is tied to 18-49 despite what some people present as "fact". If you dig into Advertising Age or similar reports there are many factors that affect the going rate for a spot on a show because many shows have unique advertisers attempting to reach certain audiences which is why low-rated CW shows like Gossip Girl can maintain enough revenue to keep them afloat while a show on NBC with four times its rating verges on cancellation. The big bottom line however is that ratings are like surveys, they are determined from a small sample size that is extrapolated to cover the entire country. While DVR, DirecTV, DiSH, TiVo and other network-connected devices could provide a better picture of actually viewing habits of a much larger sample size, that's not where we're at with ratings today. There's even more to the rule and relevance of ratings but that's all I've got for you today.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST
The show peaked at Season 3, which was without a doubt an incredible season where Lex started turning pure evil and became an adversary to Clark, and where Clark began discovering his origins. Then the next couple of seasons the show began declining, and it still had some unbelievable episodes (the Jonathan Kent dying episode was phenomenal, by the way, as was the episode in season 4 - or 5 perhaps - where Lex is split in two and his future evil side dons the kryptonite ring and hungers for world domination), but by season 7 the show was almost unwatchable at times. Then the original showrunners left and Season 8, last season, with Doomsday and Clark assuming a more adult role, was fresh and exciting. And then came this season, which as you know from talkbacks lately, has retooled Smallville into an almost-brand-new show. It takes all the best elements from the best episodes from the past and turns it up a notch to make this the ultimate show for Superman fans.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST
I'll chime in here-- smallville had (until now) never been a show that was consistent--they'd have 15 terrible episodes but then 5 truly awesome DC-inspired episodes... that's a big part of the reason why smallville fans have stuck with the show all this time, almost all admitting that it was an incredibly mediocre show--lots of us watched cause its superman, or at least i did, and i kept watching because i knew that in the midst of a shitload of teen drama, there would be an episode that knocks my socks off. Season eight is when it started getting really good... the new showrunners had alot to clean up with the whole lot of nothing that the old showrunners gave us for seven seasons. Currently, its brilliant. I recommend that you start watching every episode starting with season eight. For the previous sevecn seasons, go to TV.com and read the summaries of each episode--based on those, it should be pretty easy to figure out what episodes have true superman plotlines and which ones are exteneded will they/ won't they between lana and clark.
Nov. 21, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST
Half the plot points are based on the fact that in this universe 5 or 6 FBI agents in LA are the only people on the entire planet investigating the single biggest event to happen to mankind. Well except for John Chos big dramatic realisation a few eps ago when he said "[OMG!] someone else is investigating the flashforwards". Really!!! The ep with the nazi in prison was an insult. Theres a few hundred inmates locked in there that they know are going to be there in 6 months time and they therefore all had to have seen the same thing and yet they only think to ask a genocidal nazi about what was going on in 6 months time and let him out for his help? John Cho spent the first few eps not knowing if he was sleeping or dead in his flash without ever once thinking of asking an entire country whose majority have been asleep at the time if they saw anything. Why does Fiennes keep whining that hes going to be shot at in his office in 6 months time? Why the fuck is he going to go into the office on that day!! Step out for 15 mins you dumb fuckwit! If i saw myself being shot at work in my flash then im staying in bed that day, problem solved. The biggest issue is still that the upcoming flash is going to be the single most hyped moment in human history, itll be like a new years eve countdown thing except hundreds of times bigger with every tv channel running special countdown shows to name but one example. So why did no one on the planet witness such an event in their flash? Clear proof that the timeline has changed and the flashes absolutely cannot happen the same way again. I can barely even start into why no one was looking at the lottery numbers for the previous 6 months so theyd be able to play them when they woke up or why they didnt just write down what was happening to them and make sure they were reading it during those 2 minutes and save everyone the hastle of working it out. The fact that no one in the show has thought to ask these questions surely must make it the dumbest most intelligence insulting show ever made no? Also why am i watching it? Whats wrong with me!
Nov. 21, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST
They directly ripped off a B-story from Curb Your Enthusiasm in this last episode (Sneak into my house and get my porn dvd) The fantasy football stuff is much funnier than the other aspects of the show, but maybe that's because I'm such a big pigskin fan. But, and I'm sure I'll get killed for this one, I think it's already better than the wildly overrated "It's Always Sunny..." I'm sorry but these days, we've seen it all. And lame attempts at shocking the audience doesn't equal laughs. There has to be some wit in the mix, and i don't think this show has an ounce of it.
Nov. 21, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST
i'm not terribly fond of the futuristic 'what if' type of story ... so i wasn't that keen on the recent smallville episode. writers of such stories tend to kill off major characters because they can. this episode was no exception. <p>that said, the lois and clark interaction is fun and the "kneel before kal-el" gave me chills
Nov. 21, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST
It was on the NFL Network. Millions of Americans don't have the NFL Network. Time Warner Cable doesn't offer the channel....or maybe only if you purchase an extra package. One of the reasons I'm switching to Directv.
Nov. 21, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST
like Smallville and Supernatural.
Nov. 21, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST
by The Pelti
Neilsen ratings are based on an antiquated idea of a rockwellian suburban family gathering around the tv, and never getting up to change the channel. They don't track substantial viewer groups, instead choosing to focus on on whitebread boring mcmansionites. I don't give a fuck how popular all 18 CSIs are with the couple dozen neilsen families, we're basing are entire entertainment system of people who by their choice of lifestyle have already proved they have no taste and are just zombie consumers, which is why the ad-men love them, and people with brains and lives outside their television hate the dreck that is TV now.
Nov. 21, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST
he already has, *someone* brought him back
Nov. 21, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST
tailhook: "PLEASE STOP POSTING RATINGS DATA"<br><br>NO! KEEP POSTING THEM! The ratings talkbacks are the best idea herc has come up with this year/season of shows. I do NOT like them for one reason: lockes' post is the perfect example--some loser who doesn't like a show or just wants to be one of the douchebags who hasn't seen it yet feels compelled to bash it, and uses ratings numbers as if they make a fair assessment about the quality of a given show. But i can live with that. <br><br>The reason herc MUST continue to post them is simple: we no longer have to scream at herc for not giving us a talkback for a show we want to talk about... we get a talkback for all the shows on a given night and have a place to talk about whatever show from that night we feel inclined to discuss--there's no need to hijack a talkback like what was done last season with the dollhouse talkbacks. <br><br>Lockes shows why he's a loser when he tries to say that these talkbacks inevitably turn into a 'supernatural love-fest' (real quote). Of course, he abandons all logic, because a rational person would see that all the inevitable supernatural discussion and 'love-fest' (if that's what you want to call it) is directly the result of ALOT OF US ARE HUGE FANS AND WANT TO DISCUSS THE SHOW WITH OTHER FANS. Lockes acts like this is a Mad Men talkback that the supernatural fans hijack.
Nov. 21, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST
It never reaches even the top three most watched shows of the week, yet, people seem to flock to that shit.
Nov. 21, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST
Bobby is going to die, I'm sure, but he's going to die in a truly bad-ass way. Like filling his own blood with holy water and cutting his own throat or something equally bad-ass. Something the kids sitting around the fire in STAND BY ME would think up. That's how bad-ass it's going to be.
Nov. 21, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST
you're right 100 percent. Hell, if someone wanted to talk about PROJECT RUNWAY in here I'd go for it!
Nov. 21, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST
I ask you?
Nov. 21, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST
I applaud your 'bad ass bobby death' idea. well done. <br><br>Of course, the title for idea awesomeness goes to Media Messiah, but don't let that get you down--we write on internet blogs... media messiah writes for The New Yorker... i've actually heard whispers that he has grown up in the business???????????????
Nov. 21, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST
by I Hope You Die
He started off as a serial killer but now seems to be some sort of supervillain who can hack into federal computer systems, kill anyone anywhere any time he wants, and brain wash people. I want to know who the fuck this guy is. I think The Mentalist is the only show I've watched where I enjoy the weekly self-contained stories more than the story arc though. The Red John episodes just make me think, WTF?
Nov. 21, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST
Did i stepped on your vagina? Loving the Fringe and Supernatural emo bullshit much? Sucks to be you, emo boy!
Nov. 21, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST
Nov. 21, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST
Fuck that fucking buillshit and fuck the fucking assholes who created it. Fuck them all. Fuck them.
Nov. 21, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST
Fuck off you mental case. You fucking talk about Smallville and Supernatural in every Damn thread. Shut the fuck up you hypocrite.
Nov. 21, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST
hmmmmmmmm, talking about supernatural in the talkback herc gives us to talk about supernatrual! somebody ban me. i deserve it. Talking about smallville on a talkback the night it airs (yet if you read my post, i am waiting for the appropriate talkback to say what i want to about smallville)! Ban my IP Address! Why am i here! <br><br>Do you hear me bashing any other shows here? ever? And yeah, I come here mostly for smallville and supernatural discussion--i don't know anyone who watches these shows in real life. <br><br>And in what way, shape or form am I a hypocrite? <br><br>HENCEFORTH, NOWBODY IS ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT SMALLVILLE OR SUPERNATURAL IN ANY CAPACITY: LOCKES HAS DEEMED IT SO.
Nov. 21, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST
and new writers (at the very least). They clearly don't know how to turn the premise into something entertaining. It's aimless, sluggish, lifeless, dull, filled with uninteresting/unnecessary plots and characters... basically everything but entertaining.
Nov. 21, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST
Like the episode where the guys daughter comes back. THAT was cool. How about have an episode where they pass out again, and we see the entire episode from the perspective of a guy that doesn't pass out?
Nov. 21, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST
He's becoming more and more like that Gorgomon guy (or whatever they called him) that was on Bones. Seems he has an endless supply of apprentices. <p> I got really pissed at the last episode. After all the urgent effort that went into finding the shooter, they let the shooter's killer get away. I mean, she's fine, walking down the hall, some dude (either a cop or just dressed like one) passes her, next second she goes down and a minute later Jane notices the goop on her hand and declares she's been poisoned. So what do they do? They stand around looking grim, then go back upstairs to have a drink.<p>Speaking of Red John, I was making a peanut butter sandwich the other day and I noticed on top of the lid, which is red, is a smiley face. Looks like the Red John signature. Freaked me out a little.
Nov. 21, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST
Nov. 22, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST
by Cheif Brody
And NO NFL Network. From what I understand...NFL Network has an over-inflated sense of self-worth and are demanding the Cable companies pay them an outrageous fee for the 'privelege' of carrying NFL Network on their systems. The cable systems do not want to pass on the cost of this license fee to their subscribers and have given the NFL a hardy "Fuck You" in return. <p> thus...we are deprived 8 crappy games and one crucial playoff game every year due to the NFL's greed grab to be the 'entertainment stream' AND 'the distributor' of their games. <p> I'm glad Bright House is sticking to their guns. I can go to a sports bar and watch it there for free. If Neislen conducted ratings monitoring of sports bars on Thursday nites...the NFL game, crappy teams or not, would have MUCH bigger ratings. The NFL Network is the only one to blame for their poor ratings. The satellite companys agreed to the NFL butt fucking as a way to counter-program Cable's hard line stance. "Hey...we have the NFL Network!" <p> Too bad it's only a viable entertainment source 4 hours a week, 4 short months of the year. If you are watching that shit outside of when a game is on...you have too much time on your hands.
Nov. 22, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST
ESPN is worthless shit now. It's all sports talk, and lame ass NASCAR. Fox shows all the important games. ESPN on the weekends shows a game with two weak ass College teams, while the better games are on your local stations. Cable sports sucks.
Nov. 22, 2009, 5:34 a.m. CST
I've been watching this new Stargate for 9 episodes now and I keep hoping it will tone down the suck and start getting better. It irritates me how much time they spend on earth doing bullshit soap-opera BS when they're supposed to lost in space several galaxies away. On top of that, they barely ever leave the ship, and haven't encountered any alien civilizations at all, and don't seem the least bit interested in exploration. So wtf? I want it to be good. But I think it's failing hard as it tries to be edgy or cater to the kids or some stupid shit they're trying to do to make it different. I wish there was a talkback for this.
Nov. 22, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST
Alright! We're gonna have a TV party alright...tonight! We've got...nothing better to do...than to watch TV, and have a couple of brew. All our friends are gonna hang out here tonight...Alright! We'll pass out on the couch...alright....tonight! We've got...nothing better to do...than to watch TV, and have a couple of brew. Don't talk about anything else. We don't wanna know. We're just dedicated to our favorite shows: <P> Hill Street Blues! <p> Magnum P.I.! <p> A-Team! <p> Columboooooooooooo!!!
Nov. 22, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST
Best show on TV at the moment - competing against Gay's Anatomy. Don't let another excellent, well-acted, thought-provoking show fall victim to mindless mainstream garbage.
Nov. 22, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST
Lockes said: "ESPN is worthless shit now. It's all sports talk, and lame ass NASCAR"<br><br>You love to bash things for what they aren't more than you talk about things you like for what they are... the nation loves sports talk. i don't like nascar or basketball, but i know a huge part of the country does. Why do you feel the need to constantly find things to bash and deem worthless?
Nov. 22, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST
I have to disagree with Eyegore. I think SGU is the most entertaining weekly show about travelers lost in space that I've ever seen. I enjoy the human side of the people and the fact that they can indeed go back to earth, but only while possessing other people's bodies. I think it's well writing and I find it exciting. It's a helluva lot better than Atlantis. Or Voyager, for that fact. Or defying gravity which tried to do something like this only not as well and not as well acted. I know I'm in the minority here, but i figured I had to speak up.
Nov. 22, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST
Can anyone tell me if you need to have watched previous stargate shows (or the movie) to understand SGU? I'd really like it to be good, but i tried and could not get into the shows (starting from season one for each) and gave up after about 4-5 episodes. I also found the movie pretty damn underwhelming.
Nov. 22, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST
This isn't your fucking website asshole. Go whine on your D and D fan site.
Nov. 22, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST
Just watched SMALLVILLE from Friday- WOW. What a riveting episode. Best episode of an already strong season. The show is hitting full-stride. And that conclusion- that's the stuff of movies. Bryan Singer couldn't approach that level of Superman coolness if it sat on his lap and called him "Papi." Fuck it, give 'em another season already.
Nov. 23, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST
by Poops McGee
It sounds like most people think if they watch a show live or watch it the same day on the DVR then they get counted in the ratings. Unfortunately no it doesn't work that way. Nielson tracks TV viewing by randomly selecting households and then taking demographics of the people watching TV there. They then hook up equipment to your TV and DVR to transmit nightly viewing to them through the telephone lines. The other way they take ratings is through TV diaries which are also randomly sent to homes. Either way you watching a show on TV doesn't me you get counted in the ratings of the show unless you Nielson comes and hooks your TV/DVR up to all their equipment or you get a TV viewing diary to mail back to them.
Nov. 23, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST
I don't understand it. Simon Baker is painful to watch even in promos. Who cares about a squinty-eyed little prom bitch preening relentless and winking to the camera with his brown eye? I can't understand why this narcissist is popular...
Nov. 23, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST
Nov. 23, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST
Fuck the haters. EVERY show has gaping plot holes, but few shows have the character nuances that FF revels in. "The Gift" was a punch in the balls akin to the best of The Tudors. <p> Just because you children are busy watching a fucking pansy bitch like Simon Baker and his idiotic, self-obsessed hamfisted buffoonery, doesn't mean the rest of us need to settle for that bullshit pandering hackery. Thanks.
Nov. 23, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST
...is just a little off considering the fantastic episode just shown. Doesn't matter anyway because the show that blows all else out of the water at the moment is Dexter. God, John Lithgow's character is the scariest thing to have hit the screens ever!!!
Nov. 23, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST
The Mentalist still sucks. Always will.
Nov. 23, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST
I reserve equal contempt for both. Flash Forward is just more overt in its sheer stupidity. THE FUCKING FBI GUY CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO THE FUCK SENT HIS WIFE A FUCKING TEXT MESSAGE?!?!?!
Nov. 23, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST
SHE NEVER THOUGHT TO FUCKING MENTION IT?? Shows where people do things that no halway rational fucking human being on the face of the earth would do, let alone supposed professionals like doctors and FBI agents, are the fucking worst kinds of shows and deserve the shitty ratings.
Nov. 24, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST
MisFits started in the UK two weeks ago and is shaping up to be pretty cool. ASBO teens are empowered by a freak storm and struggle to understand their gifts while dealing with dark secrets. Incredibly funny with hard hitting violence, nudity and typical late night swearing that only a UK show or Deadwood could deliver. One tow watch.
Nov. 24, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST
Herc, do you have any information regarding the status of Castle? I go to this site, epguides.com, to see if there are new episodes of my shows on a given week, and it listed last nights episode, but the three below it says 'UNAIRED' this implies its done, but epguides has misled me before... have you heard anything about it? I may be in the minority, but I really like the show... in part because I was an english-creative writing major so i like seeing a show about a writer... fillion is great in it, and i'm in love with Bekett (not the delusional media messiah/open letter to dushku kind of love... i just find beckett hot as hell but i actually buy her as a detective, unlike the tiny little lady with a mouth that constantly an upside down smile who is totally unlikeable to me, but i like the show as a whole enough to be able to like the show in spite of an actress i hate.)
Nov. 24, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST
And this last one was a good episode too. Hmm. And I think Castle is fine right? Nathan Fillion and Alyssa Milano have been tweeting about working together on it the last few days.
Nov. 24, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST
Nov. 24, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST
by #1 Zero
FlashForward asks a lot of its watchers. Especially to suspend their disbelief. It is highly unlikely that one small unit in the FBI is the only team tracking a worldwide blackout. When they did address this in the congressional investigation episode the governments of the world were either pointing fingers at each other or blaming aliens. When in reality it would probably constitute the largest investigation in history. So just turn your brain off to watch it. It's sci fi with primetime soap melodrama moments. And I hope it only stopped production because its taking a winter hiatus. I hope it stays on because if things like this work less and less tv will turn to more reality tv crap. NBC is only functioning not to lose money at this point rather than create content. By the way, I once worked with Simon Baker of "The Mentalist" fame on a movie about 12 years ago when he was about 27. He was a nice enough guy, but told me to get out of his eyeline a couple of times but didn't go "Bale". I think he had a wife and a few kids even back then, kind of a quiet normal dude.