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V Drops To Distant Third!! THE PRISONER Plummets!! Locklear MELROSE In Last!! SONS OF ANARCHY Overtake THE FORGOTTEN Again!!
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Tuesday 18-49 finals:
4.1 (4.4) (4.3) (3.3) (4.7) (4.5) (4.3) (4.6) (4.8) NCIS
3.7 (3.8) (3.5) (3.7) (3.9) (3.5) (3.7) (3.6) (3.1) The Biggest Loser
3.4 (3.7) (3.6) (2.1) (3.9) (3.5) (3.6) (4.1) (4.4) NCIS Los Angeles
3.2 (3.5) (3.1) (3.0) (3.4) (2.9) (2.6) (2.6) (3.5) Dancing With The Stars
3.1 (3.8) (5.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) V
2.9 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Merry Madagascar
2.6 (2.8) (2.7) (1.8) (2.8) (2.8) (2.9) (3.1) (3.1) The Good Wife
2.4 (2.3) (2.4) (2.5) (---) (---) (2.5) (2.4) (---) So You Think You Can Dance
1.9 (1.9) (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) The Jay Leno Show
1.9 (1.9) (1.8) (1.8) (2.0) (1.8) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) Sons of Anarchy
1.8 (---) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.0) (2.6) The Forgotten
1.4 (1.3) (1.4) (1.2) (1.1) (1.0) (1.4) (1.5) (---) The Hills
1.1 (1.2) (1.0) (0.6) (1.1) (1.1) (1.2) (1.2) (1.0) 90210
1.0 (0.9) (1.1) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) (1.3) (---) The City
0.8 (0.7) (0.8) (0.4) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) Melrose Place
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) College Basketball (10:24 p.m.)
0.7 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) College Basketball (8 p.m.)
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) WWII in HD
0.5 (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Tabatha's Salon Takeover
0.4 (0.4) (0.6) (1.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Monica: Still Standing
0.3 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Prisoner
0.2 (---) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Sherri
Figures in grey represent repeats.
* “V” continues to drop hard and fast, from first place two weeks ago to a distant third at 8 p.m. this week, behind “NCIS” and “The Biggest Loser.” ABC airs one more episode next Tuesday before it has to decide if it still wants the saucer saga back in March.
* Critics apparently weren’t alone in hating AMC’s new “The Prisoner,” which matched “Mad Men’s” finale on Sunday with an 0.8 then plummeted to a 0.3 on both Monday and Tuesday.
* A visit from Heather Locklear did not alter “Melrose Place’s” status as the Big Five’s lowest-rated show, but did bring it up slightly from last week. (Note that MTV’s presumably cheaper “The Hills” and “The City” are still pulling much bigger 18-49s at a later hour.)
* In 18-49 at 10 p.m., FX’s “Sons of Anarchy” bested for the third time ABC’s “The Forgotten,” which hit a new series low. Getting beat by “Leno” and “Anarchy” does not auger well for the Christian Slater series’ long-term survival.
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But not so much so for one of the biggies.
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Still don't care for the new NCIS LA.
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FRINGE, FLASHFORWARD, SUPERNATURAL!!!! All the good stuff is on tonight!
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The night when way to much good tv is on.Time to fire up my dvrs.
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...but the way they did the big reveal on Sons caught me off guard. Good episode.
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Much as I hate to admit it, I guess I should have listened to Herc. The Prisoner turned out to be some different level of consciousness MATRIX bullshit that totally was empty and anti-climatic. I don't blame the actors, mostly they were pretty decent, but they had a unrewarding script to lead them to dulls-ville. V's just not good enough, and since it's probably going to be axed, I have a feeling it's not going to get better. I haven't watched NCIS in while; damn Abby is looking a lil tired, but still it's entertaining. I didn't even know NCIS: LA existed, and now, I don't care- the episode I caught totally turned me off with crap characterization and an anti-climatic ending. Blah. I've been meaning to catch Sons Of Anarchy, it's gotten good word, and I just finished Hunter Thompson's book on the Hell's Angels is more of a random thing.
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It'll always win. And if V devoted *entire* episodes to Laura Vandervoort in her underwear, I'm sure the ratings would go up.
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and possible all of the John May storyline, might have been added during the retooling.
The reason I think this, is that a few of the characters (particularly the guy who organised the meeting in the warehouse, and Tylers fat friend) visible and noticeably changed since the first episode. (The fat kid grew fatter, the warehouse guy might have lost some weight on his face)
And it looks like the whole thing of bringing Alan Tudyk back and then him going nowhere, could have been part of that change too. -
better than most poo poo on network tv, and could be very good if they retool right. Will it get a chance ?
By the way, Anna and the blond child from the teen group ? Best mother / daughter tag team EVER. -
It takes 3 episodes minimum for me to decide if I like a show or not. In "V"'s case I do like it, but I'd also like it to be better and stop alternating the cool with the stupid from scene to scene.
Hopefully if/when they bring it back next spring it will have more heft to it. Other than the main characters it just doesn't feel like the world has changed when the Visitors arrived.
This show should have been 8 episodes minimum. It is just starting to get going now and its going away for 6 months. Did ABC learn nothing from taking Pushing Daisies off air for so long? Stupid fuckers. It is amazing LOST has done as well as it has with the bumbling at ABC. Sometimes shows can take a full season to get going. Just because our culture has sped up and become impatient little caffeine addicted twitter monkeys doesn't mean that stories take a while to get going, actors take a while to find their characters, and writers take a while to get in the groove.
Sons of Anarchy is a perfect example. The first season was good, but unremarkable until the latter half. Season 2 has exploded out of the gate and not slowed down. Everything is working perfect on that show this season. Because it's had time to grow.
V is nowhere as good as Sons of Anarchy, but it has serious potential if they can get some talented people involved in it and the network lets it get through the growing pains. -
Fox?!? What is this 1999? You obviously mean NBC. NBC gets the lowest ratings of the big four and Fox wins it's timeslot for many shows (House, Bones).
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Just because our culture has sped up and become impatient little caffeine addicted twitter monkeys doesn't mean that stories DON'T still take a while to get going, actors STILL take a while to find their characters, and writers STILL take a while to get in the groove.
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Let the Thursday night buffet begin. Although... Flashforward is the weakest dish.
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It rebound from the disapointment of the first two episodes and was the best of the season, but that isn't saying a whole heck of a lot.
It seems to still get decent enough ratings even as the third highest rated show at its' slot. But it is expensive to produce. I think it may be a longshot to return since ABC knows the history of Jericho and what a long hiatus did for them and they had better ratings plus the fact it could very well return to compete with American Idol.
I say let it die and make the Kenneth Johnson script as a movie (it got a great review on Latin Review) or move forward with his idea of the original V cast series 20 years later (obviously based on his book) that was considered and dropped by NBC. Unlikely a new series would be produced though. -
Opie learning the truth about his family, Jax figuring out the Zo Bell/Mayan connection and the fucked Gemma/Tig sex scene. Its amazing how this show is totally ignored on this site while being the biggest ratings for a cable show and being very very good.
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If they had stretched out the discovery of how 'evil' the aliens were until the end of the season. I think if they'd taken the main characters on a track of "I'm not against them coming" to "I'm getting Suspiscious" to finally reveal the big bad they are and "Form the Resistance" It would have been more interesting. Yes we all KNOW the aliens are bad but that wouldn't have cheapened the characters reactions as things slowly started to add up. They took this thing and just threw it together with so many ridiculous first steps. Like the V's shuttle randomly landing in NYC, you think the US Military wouldn't have been tracking EVERY SINGLE movement of the mother ship and anything that came out of it?
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Is right. That ep of Sons of Anarchy was amazing! I was expecting a bit of a lull after the "special 90 minute episode", but this one just kept pouring on the awesome.
I hope sticks around and gets better, but I'm starting to have my doubts about either happening. -
But it is still better than most of the the crap that is on. It seems scripted TV is destined to die, as we would rather see people dance, lose weight, and argue over the immunity idol. BORING! I watch TV to escape real life, I don't want to be reminded that I can't dance, am overweight, and hate the office politics.
That said, 'The Office' is one of TV's best shows. -
V isn't supposed to be Lost, Flash Forward or Fringe. This newer version has pretty much sodomized Johnson's original vision, but the sad thing is that it's the best show on television right now.
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It's not great, by any means, but its fairly entertaining and I like the premise more than anything. And Juliets Boobs. It's a fuckload of a lot better than that retardation filled FlashForward, thats for sure. With this ratings drop though, I doubt V makes it past its fourth episode now, which is a shame. Oh well. Better shows have been canceled, I'll survive. Lost is almost back!
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They finally got the pacing right and the beginning of the resistance finally came together. Plus, you had Supergirl in her underwear, so a definite upgrade as far as I'm concerned.
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Just unwatchable, nonsensicle garbage. Honestly, how did that get made? Or really, not made, but edited together? Who the FUCK put that together like a retarded epileptic child who fell asleep on the editing machine. I had no fucking clue where I was half the time.
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So does that mean a decision to make additional episodes for 2010 has already been made?
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Is the trouble with all 21st century genre shows. Namely, it's embarrassed of being a genre show. The original was an unapolegetic sci-fi action series rife with thinly veiled social metaphor, laser-rays, and tights. This show has sadly degenerated into a boring cop procedural with Aliens. It's not why nostalgic thirty-somethings like myself initially tuned in. We were hoping for throwback to the days of pure entertainment, but instead got more of the same unimaginitave, drab,paint-by-numbers dullness. This week was the week that I gave up on this show. The only show on these days that still delivers pure entertainment is "Chuck".
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The audience's attention span. Granted it took the show three episodes to find its footing. I agree with several of the other posters that the show finally hit its stride in Tuesday's episode. The problem is that people can't be bothered to wait for the third hour for the show to come together.
Interesting threads were started in episode three. What the hell is the "Bliss." What are the Vs really after. Unlike the 80's show, I don't think that they want to eat us. Perhaps enslavement? Perhaps human flesh powers their ships? Who knows... I do know that I want to see more and hope that ABC picks this one up. -
Eh, I didn't think it was bad. There were a few holes (besides the literal ones: cute metaphor), and the show could never seem to decide if it wanted to be a remake of the 60s version or if it had something new to say. While they had the advantage of a mini-series and they knew they were going in as a mini-series, and that they had a definite story to tell over the course of six episodes... problem was so little of it related to the story. Schizoid struck me as the worst: the bits that progressed the story could have been stripped out, tightened up with the somewhat flabby parts of Anvil and Darling (interminable talks about love and betrayal in Darling, I'm talking to you), and one entire hour could have been dropped. Schizoid seemed to exist primarily to give Ian McKellan a more light-hearted hour.
As for the finale, well... it answered all the fundamental questions of what was going on and "what it all meant." Like the original's "Fall Out," it seemed to want it both ways, and both give the answers the original never did, but toss in trippy hallucinogenic scenes, meaningless fear/rebellion babble (Rover on the ceiling terrorizing Six, eh), and toss out a few "Big Ideas." -
I've got Tuesday's V TiVOed, but I just don't care because I'm watching V instead -- the 1984 V TV series, that is.
I've only ever seen the V the miniseries & V the Final Battle so for me its like they're producing brand new episodes with the original cast.
I'm up to the one guest-starring Sybil Danning in a tiger-striped swimsuit. The episode previous had a leather-clad, Terminator-inspired dude named Klaus with an electro-whip hand! YES! -
The TV series is great! It especially gets entertaining when the budget gets to big and they have to kill everyone off or remove them from the show. Not nearly as good as the mini series, but it's worth the watch.
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It is not good that V is falling but it is third to NCIS and Biggest Loser. V most likely will come back and be put right behind LOST in March. V seems as if it is a better fit for Sci-Fi though (I refuse to call it SyFy).
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It's like Deadwood calibre in it's casting. And glad as hell to see Kim Coates and Tommy Flannigan get their parts expanded.
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Why should I wait three weeks for a TV series to start working?
Hit the ground running. Totally gripping entertainment from the first shot or get out of the way.
Other people have scripts to sell.
Stop running the same old same old of models striking poses and reciting dialogue copied from the previous flop series.
You're supposedly top professional talent. Prove it. Or have your series cancelled and your skulls crushed. -
Best show on tv right now. Nuff said
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Prisoner was "Lame BSG Dream Sequence: The Miniseries"
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Just listen to the horrible, monotonous, vaguely middle-eastern music.
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I really have tried to like V, but I actually fell asleep in the middle of episode 3 ... I don't know how it ended, but in the first half I just didn't see a story developing - there was world-building going on, but the show itself felt like people just walking around talking.
Oh, and a tip to writers: don't lie to your audience during world-building. While you're still trying to build up a suspension of disbelief, having revelations that characters and lying left and right just makes this watcher go "ok, if what I'm being told isn't 'true', I'll stop paying attention" -
Why are some series like "The Shield" totally gripping? Are they in some zone that is protected from the "sped up" effect?
No, it's because they're well-written.
Maybe some viewers still capsized on GarbageScow Galactica like slow-motion disasters, the rest of us want more than Scott Wolf pretending to be an actor.
Get the fuck moving! Or get off the screen! -
It's not going anywhere. It's their third best-rated series STILL, just going by this week. It's only behind Grey's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives, and currently doing BETTER than some of their new sitcom "hits." If you're beating Private Practice - which V still is - that says a lot for your return.
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Yet Herc doesn't even mention him. It's the FOXNews equivalent of TV ratings analysis.
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...yeah, that was the best single episode of the series. It followed what had been the best single episode of the series. So can they do that little trick two more times? I've only been a fan for three weeks, but in that time I've watched every episode. And damn I'm stunned by just how good it really is.
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...all of the stuff with Tig was just awesome. Tig's character has been, perhaps, the closest thing to a stereotype to be found among the members of SAMCRO but the last three weeks have blown the doors off that. His scene with Opie was just incredible, too, as was his scene with Clay near the end. But really, there's been so much good stuff the last two weeks it's hard to even pick.
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...was certainly Tig's reaction to seeing Half Sack. So brief. So beautiful.
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I hope it gets renewed.
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Scott Wolf is terrible. Rest of the cast is okay though. Writing and pacing are the main problems.
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and perversely, I think the fact that it is not catching on with the vast American public validates it.
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Did you watch it all the way through? The entire thing existed in their subconcous, kind of a collective unconcous ruled by one lady's dreaming. The real-world New York stuff wasn't flashbacks, it was taking place simultaneously. Anyone born in the Village didn't really exist, like 2's son.
So, yes, jumpy, hallucinatory, sporadic editing is exactly the perfect choice for a subconcous other-reality that is only in the mind. And as for most of the other complaints you guys have given, they were all pretty much answered by the end. Why did McKellen have a british accent, and his son, but not his wife? Because McKellen was a 'surrogate' reflection of his real-world self, who had that accent. His son had the accent because thats the choice his wife made in the dreaming up of the son. Simple. -
I can't think of any other show currently on TV that's better than Sons of Anarchy. I'm a big fan of the show, and it sure as shit doesn't get enough coverage on this site or by the entertainment industry in general. The great shows never do though...look at The Wire. SOA is following nicely in the footsteps of The Shield as another FX show I love. Come on Herc get on the fucking bus and start giving this show some talkbacks.
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BUT SOA is way better.
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I knew I would like the cast, but the show really holds some promise if it stays on the air. Tudyk's death was sudden and completely unexpected, something too few shows pull off. I hope it lasts, especially after trying to dig into the mess of Flashforward.
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The only saving grace for the Prisoner remake was the hotness that was 11-12. I only stuck out through all 6 hours to see him every time he was on screen. My biggest disappointment was that he didn't get a shirtless scene.
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Who's watching that shit? I checked out the pilot episode of Los Angeles and thought it was total shit. NCIS isn't fit to scrape the fumunda cheese off Son's of Anarchy's nutsack, and yet it gets a huge audience?
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It's the only show that I DVR, while watching it. I mean, every episode delivers on some level. It's always keeping the story moving, and the performances are vastly underrated. Man, I didn't even know that guy who played Jax was English. Katey Sagel is acting circles around every woman on TV. Tail's right, she deserves it.
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Is give V a chance.
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You have to listen for it though.
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Imagine V stands for vagina, and dream of v leader and daughter nekkid. Works for me.
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You're talking about the same society that made "Party in the USA" a number one song.
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...because it is one of the best sci-fi dramas on network television for quite some time. I don't like it more than LOST, but it ranks near BSG for me.
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it's far better than that shit NCIS L.A., NCIS is also trudging along on the same two ideas.
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...replay the first four episodes of V in the Spring. At this point, it will draw a few more curious viewers before continuing its story. It is a great show that deserves a chance.
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I keep seeing people here say good things about it, but the ratings for each episode on tv.com never get above an 8. Hell, everything from this season is in the 6 range, which is like STTNG S1 bad. Not a single episode has ever made it above an 8. I've never seen a show score that poorly on that site. Every other show has at least one 9+ episode. These are inflated fan ratings after all.
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amazing show. the next 2 episodes are going to be fucking brilliant. the scene this week, Clay holding jax's baby.. "im sorry son". that was some emotional shit right there. when will ROllins get it? next week? or the final?
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...I watched a random episode of SOA on Hulu based on people on these talkbacks saying it was good. Then I watched another. Then I stopped watching season two until I got season one. That was about three weeks ago, and I've watched all of the first season and caught up on the second already. I don't know about tv.com, and I can see that this show would be too violent, too grimy, or too offensive for a lot of people. Good drama often works that way. The bad guys don't always lose, the good guys aren't all that good and certainly don't always win. The show was based (roughly) on Hamlet. That was a morally conflicted little piece too, and I suspect it might not have scored that well on a fan rating site either. Not really being snarky, but this show is up there with my (non-Wire) favorites. It's dark, with compelling characters and an operatic feel.
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...my answer would be yes. It may or may not be for you, but it is certainly quality television.
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...they need to give Katey Sagal that Emmy.
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You do realize in the most important rating, it is crushing most if not all of the other cable shows right? Football is going to be the highest rated show unless like this week, its a dog of a game. Hell, its beating ABC and NBC. I don't understand where people think this show is not going to get renewed, FX would be retarded not to since SHEILD is gone and Damages is getting worse ratings.
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but Eastwick gets cancelled and Forgotten gets a full season order. What gives ABC? All I can figure is The Forgotten must be cheaper to make than Eastwick
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I've known a few people who have had big problems with them. One person had to return the unit TWICE
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I think a talkback about ratings is really stupid and doesn't determine a show's popularity like it used to. I wonder how many people are downloading V right now?
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3 FUCKING HOURS! One hour clip show, and 2 episodes!!!!!!!
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great unit never had a problem ...
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If you didn't see season 1, you get to see Peggy Bundy smash a chick in the face with a skateboard. Season 2 has really cranked up the character driven stories, lots of emotional attachment to the character. Great show that just keeps getting better
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I've really tried to like V, and I usually defend programming like this, but I don't see it going anywhere. Everything that happens is so predictable, characters flit in and out, none of the events seem to hold any sort of importance. There's not a single character worth caring about. Some of the acting may be to blame... it really pulls you out of what little story there is.
I may just be a little bitter that Alan Tudyk is just a "guest" star, though, if you know what I mean. -
together when I was visiting them in Florida. What an epic waste of time. Do they not realize how many mediocre Horror and Sci-fi movies me and my dad couldve watched?
We knew by episode 3 that it was a bunch of bull shit but felt invested since it was only 6 episodes and that MAYBE it would all make sense in the end.
Boy were we wrong. -
...one of the greatest TV shows of all time. If there's no way you can possibly equal it, or better it, why even bother trying?
I sat through all six hours of The Prisoner, because I loved the original, and wanted to see a new take on it. That's six hours I'll never get back. Why, God? Why? -
I recall tuning in to V as a mini-series and thought it was boiler plate drama. If it were a standard drama I would have bailed then. Being a fan of the genre I started the series and found it appalling when it was not ludicrous. Good riddance.
The current attempt ranges from fair to mediocre. The forbidden teen romance disengages me immediately. I like the FBI intrigue, but there are better procedurals to watch if I were so inclined. Being a completist, with limits, I will watch the final episode before its hiatus and hope for the best. BSG still keeps the award for taking a stupid, stupid property and somehow, someway re-imagining it into a great series. -
Digging V. SOA is the shit. I'm fucking pissed the season is almost over. I smell cliff hanger and that makes me mad. I like my packages wrapped up nice.
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Canada for New York doesn't cut it on network tv. This series looks and feels instead like something that would air on syndication or cable.
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As a fan of the original I was of course unhappy with a remake, however I felt the new version was different enough to warrant a new show
I kind of liked it after the first 2 hours, although I watched it all on a "sick" day from work so got time to properly absorb it
Overall I think the whole collective unconscious thing was fine, I felt about halfway through that it was ripping off Haruki Murakami's "Hard Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World" and by the end I was certain of it
Still I liked it better than I thought I would and not just for the girl with the massive knockers who Six falls for "inexplicably"
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you can watch them for free on Comcast. Well, they're kind of silly and dated. It was weird storytelling. Very ahead of its time.
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Over the last 5-10 years, watching the quality on those cable networks, just can't watch netowrk dramas anymore (with the exception of Lost).
I know that the quality of this V is much better than the V when I was a kid, but just like Flashforward it feels like dumbed down tv compared to the stuff on cable. The quality on cable has pushed tv to new levels.
Fringe and the soon to be ending Supernatural are entertaining, but compared to the cable they are still like "takeaway Chinese" compared to a restaurant or home cooked meal that is cable dramas.
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How true. The tables have turned. Pay cable is no longer the laughing stock it once was. Network prime time is a highschool quarterback that works at walmart now.
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I think I figured out what's doing with the new V-
you're MEANT to have watched the original and know things like they're lizards, there's a "Fifth Column" of lizards (why do they called THEMSELVES V's?) working with the "Resistance", they can make human/lizard babies - all that stuff...
which is why they got that shit out the way immediately - this isn't Lost or a wannabe like Flashforward - it's not going to be driven by questions that need to be answered... I bet that's why they retooled these episodes - to dispense with a long, drawn out exposition when everybody already knows what to expect anyway...
probably they're gonna fuck with our expectations - like Anna's breeding program may well produce a Starchild before the efforts of, say, Black Willie (sorry, forget the new character's name)
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was originally a Spanish thing wasn't it? there were four columns of battalions and there was a FIFTH column working WITHIN wherever it was they were gonna attack that was gonna set the stage for the other four columns with some planned mayhem - or something like that, I forget...
actually it was V that originally introduced my young mind to the concept back in the 80's and at the time I figured it was another WW2 parallel
but they keep CALLING THEMSELVES the "Fifth Column" in this, as opposed to just "traitors" or "conscientious objectors" or whatever - which is kinda beating the audience repeatedly on the head with "hey remember THIS form the original show? we're doing it too..."
that's my point -
I like the George Sutton(?) character and would like to see more of that kind of thing. Did anyone else go, "WTF"! When the V's request their own doctors and when Juliette(?) stops the human assassin, V's take him into custody, and she doesn't say shit.?? Obviously later we find out the assassin was a V but I thought that should have tipped her off to the fact that something was out of place. Juliette should have taken the "human" assassin into custody.
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