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STAR TREK (2009) IN HD!!
Hercules Runs Down What To Expect On That Fabulous New Blu-ray Set Due Out Tuesday!!

I am – Hercules!! OLD BUSINESS Before we plunge into the extras on the new Blu-ray set, this is what I wrote about this year’s “Star Trek” three days before it opened in U.S. cinemas. If you don’t want to read a review of the movie itself, scroll past a big chunk of invisotext to where it says “NEW BUSINESS.” Hercules Gives J.J. Abrams’ New Kirk-Spock STAR TREK Five Stars Out Of Five!! J.J. Abrams’ enormously entertaining new “Star Trek” movie will prove the highest-grossing Trek movie BY A MILE, for 12 reasons.

1) IT’S A REPEATER. Things move so fast, and the film is so dense with imaginative plot and imagery, even people who aren’t sure they liked it could find themselves compelled revisit it, and revisit it with a cinema audience. As with “Star Wars” and “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” amazing things fly by at such a furious clip it demands to be seen more than once.

2) IT’S FOR DILETTANTES. And dilettantes drive worldwide box office. Moviegoers need bring no prior love for Kirk, Spock, McCoy or Orion slave girls to the cinema; “Star Trek” will make moviegoers love them all on its own. This is the first great big-screen effort from J.J. Abrams, a guy I’ve been calling a genius since the “Felicity” pilot.

3) IT’S FUNNIER. The new movie is likely the funniest Star Trek project to date, and certainly the funniest since the whale-centric “Star Trek IV.” Abrams’ name is not on the screenplay, but his sophisticated comic acumen suffuses the enterprise. If you will. I laughed more during this movie than I laughed during any non-Apatow movie released last year.

4) IT’S ROYALE. The new “Star Trek” is a corker for the same reason “Casino Royale” is: it had to be. Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Cho, Pegg, Yelchin and Greenwood look, sound and act little like Shatner, Nimoy, Nichols, Takei, Doohan, Koenig and Hunter, and it does not matter. Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Sulu, Scotty, Chekhov and Pike are reborn here as rich and compelling new characters played by new and, in some cases, more accomplished actors.

5) URBAN OFFERS REAL McCOY. Every Trekkie will single out New Zealander Karl Urban’s beguiling performance as the medical officer in large part because he’s the only actor in the movie who succeeds in honoring not only his character but the actor who played his character 40 years ago. Urban takes a tough actor to impersonate, DeForest Kelley, and embodies him spectacularly. And because McCoy masterminds Kirk’s assignment to the Enterprise at a crucial moment, Urban is given a role that’s not only entertaining, but could not prove more pivotal to the Federation’s survival.

6) KIRK’S COOL. That scene that introduces us to Preteen Kirk – the one with the convertible and the robocop we’ve been watching for the last six months – is much more fun in its entirety, thanks largely to a completely unanticipated piece of music – utilized in a manner that filled me with a rare spasm of GLEE! GLEE!!! It is the perfect introduction to two-fisted supergenius James Tiberius Kirk and worth the price of admission in itself.

7) SPOCK’S HEART. The minute we’re done with Preteen Kirk, we jump to tiny Preteen Spock as he navigates a Vulcan teaching machine hugely evocative of the one he navigated at the start of the whale movie. An adorable sequence, it makes you fall in love with this new Spock instantly. Which is key, because Spock is the movie’s heart.

8) BANA OUTPERFORMS. Star Trek villains for some reason almost always indulge an agreeable theatricality, but Australian Eric Bana surprises with a performance that is not only unusually naturalistic but also startlingly American. Heath Ledger died early during principal photography on “Trek,” and I’d wager a sack of cash that Ledger’s performance in the “Dark Knight” trailers brought to bear some influence on Bana’s approach to the Romulan. (I’m also pleased to see the forehead appliances are gone and that the Romulans look like Vulcans again.)

9) ZOE SALDANA’S HOTITUDE. Gene Roddenberry may have boned up for Nichelle Nichols, but she never did a lot for me. Of the second-tier crew, Uhura gets the juiciest upgrade and the gorgeous Saldana makes a lot of it. A far hotter Nichols, lanky Rachel Nichols (“Alias,” “The Inside”), makes a memorable cameo as Uhura’s green, half-naked (and presumably Orion) academy roommate. (Oh, and much love to whoever decided to bring back those fabulous, sexist, objectifying Starfleet minidresses!)

10) BONUS NIMOY. Ever see “The Third Man”? You’re so absorbed in all the intrigue and suspense and comedy surrounding Joseph Cotton’s character that you kind of forget big-deal movie star Orson Welles is in the movie too – but boy is it cool when Welles finally turns up! Spock Prime is the Harry Lime of Abrams’ “Star Trek.” The most iconic thespianic element of the piece, he improbably kicks a perfectly splendid movie into a higher gear.

11) THE GUTSY PREMISE. The ambitious story, which spans centuries and allows the movie to exist as a sequel and a prequel, is dark and inspired. “Star Trek: First Contact” and the prequel series “Star Trek: Enterprise” also make use of warring factions from the future who alter events preceding Kirk’s birth – but Abrams’ “Trek” pushes the conceit well beyond the reach of an episode-ending undo button and into the realm of catastrophic system error and reboot. (It is monstrously cool that Captain Pike is in the movie, but insanely cool what’s done with him.)

12) WHAT’S NOT TO LIKE? The film has flaws, but they are fleeting and don’t diminish overall enjoyment. I will speak of these flaws only in spoiler-cloaking Romulan Invisotext. * Nero’s quarter-century disappearance is a puzzlement! I have a vision of the Romulan first officer, 19 years into the watch for Spock’s 25-years-later emergence from the wormhole, leaning over to Nero and muttering, “I don’t think he’s coming.” Followed by a beheading and the creation of a new first officer. (A written and shot but deleted sequence depicting Nero’s escape from Klingon prison might have remedied somewhat my confusion.) * I don’t know how many square miles comprised the surface area of that ice planet, but I’m guessing it’s a pretty mammoth coincidence that Young Kirk and Spock Prime would find themselves situated just a few minutes distance from each other. * Spock Prime concealing his presence and risking the annihilation of Earth and the other Federation planets just to foster a Young-Kirk/Young-Spock teaming struck me as a wildly unnecessary risk. * Whatever it looks like in the commercials, the Cloverfield Monster sequence on the ice planet seamlesslessly marries the “bigger fish” scene from “Phantom Menace” to the Space Yeti sequence from “The Empire Strikes Back” without really adding anything. I get why it’s there, but its flashiness doesn’t disguise a flaccid action beat. * Montgomery Scott’s introduction to the Enterprise probably sounded funny on paper (the engineer gets stuck in the ship’s plumbing!), but the finished product feels like something out of a Harry Potter movie; the sequence works as neither comedy or suspense. * While poor Pavel Chekhov had to spend two years as ensign in the original series, Kirk is assigned the captaincy of a Constitution-class starship the minute he graduates from the academy. No stints of any length as ensign, lieutenant or commander required. While Kirk’s restoration to the captaincy gives fans serious closure, his meteoric ascension also seems wildly improbable. (It would have been hilarious to get a reaction shot of a certain bald Enterprise security officer as Kirk takes the center seat.) But it’s a movie-ending lapse with mammoth positive emotional resonance, and one audiences will be more than happy to indulge. The original TV theme plays over the closing credits, which look like the covers of James Blish’s old “Trek” novelizations. Abrams may not be a Trekkie, but he made a movie that makes my Trekkie heart sing. NEW BUSINESS And here’s what I write about the new Blu-ray coming out Tuesday: This movie is rivaled only by the “Star Wars” movies in terms of highly detailed sci-fi production design and special effects. If you haven’t yet purchased a 1080p TV set or a Blu-ray player, this set affords you a superb excuse. (I must have spent 15 minutes just staring at HD freeze-frames of the three illustrations for the proposed Enterprise bridge sets.) COMMENTARY (2:06:50): director-producer J.J. Abrams, writer-producers Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci, and producers Damon Lindelof and Bryan Burk. Learn: * The movie originally began with the birth of Spock, but the sequence was removed because there was too much bouncing between the Kirk and Spock stories, and Spock being older than Kirk prohibited repositioning the scene. * The Kelvin was named for Abrams’ maternal grandfather Harry Kelvin. * Abrams’ sister thought the same actor played both George and Jim Kirk. * The Kelvin’s interiors were shot at a Long Beach power plant. * Burk suggested cutting the original scene introducing pregnant Winona Kirk. (Another scene now introduces her.)

* At one point transporters were going to teleport the infant Jim Kirk out of his mother’s belly, an act that would save him but kill her. * The same 23-year-old who created the “Fringe” opening titles also created the wonderful animated “Star Trek” title card and the wonderful planet-filled closing credits. * William Shatner’s famously odd pronunciation of “sabotage” had nothing to do with choosing the Beastie Boys song. * The close-ups of young Kirk in the convertible were all shot atop a 20th Century Fox parking lot. * We originally got to see the hoverbike cop’s face but it was ordered covered with a CGI mask because it was deemed silly-looking. * The big hole in Iowa in which Kirk ditched the car was indeed a quarry. * Abrams voiced the cop, and that he’s not sure whether the cop is robot or not. * Four of the big Vulcan learning bowls were real and the others were effects. * The first scene introducing adult Spock was shot in a real cemetery chapel with a big greenscreen behind it. * Screenwriter Akiva Goldsman plays one of Vulcan elders who cause Spock to quit Vulcan and join Starfleet. * The Iowa bar was actually an old American Legion bar in Hollywood. * ILM took the spokes out of Kirk’s motorcycle tires. * Karl Urban wrote the line about where he got the name “Bones.” * Orci and Kurtzman worked with New Zealander Karl Urban on the “Hercules” and “Xena” TV shows (in which he recurred as Julius Caesar). * A good-sized shot of Nero in Klingon prison sneakily made its way into the final film. * The Kelvin bridge set was redressed for the Kobiashi Maru test. * This is the first movie Tyler Perry acted in that he didn’t himself produce. * A subplot in which the green Orion girl Gaila helped Kirk subvert the Kobiashi Maru test was cut in part because “Cloverfield” director Matt Reeves felt it made Kirk look too cocky.

(You can still make out a pissed-off Rachel Nichols in the court martial scene.) * The shuttlecraft hanger is a real blimp hanger, and housed two “real” shuttlecraft among a sea of CGI ones. * As shuttles zoom off from San Francisco to confront Nero, you can see the U.S. headquarters for Tagruato Corp., which manufactures and markets Slusho.

* Abrams loved the sequence in the Robert Wise movie that introduced the Enterprise. * Uhura’s initial station in the bowels of the Enterprise was shot in a refrigerated Budweiser plant. Those massive silver cylinders the Starfleet workstations are clustered around are full of beer! * “Transformers” producer Steven Spielberg repeatedly visited the set and ate sandwiches with the producers on the bridge set.

* Cameron Crowe, after screening an early cut of the film, was astonished to learn Eric Bana played Nero. * Spock ordering Kirk out of the captain’s chair was improvised by Quinto during a rehearsal. * There are many stories of fan reaction at the movie’s first public screening at Austin’s Alamo Drafthouse. (Recall everyone was told they’d be watching “The Wrath of Khan” and got this instead!) * Genius British comic illustrator Bryan Hitch (“The Authority,” “The Ultimates”) helped design Spock’s squidship. * Scotty keeps a tribble in his office on the Vulcan moon. * Scotty’s base was also shot at the Budweiser plant. * Somebody (Orci?) suggests that Admiral Archer’s beagle Porthos should just show up in the last “Star Trek” movie Bad Robot ever produces. * Enterprise engine room, where they catch Kirk and Scotty? Also Budweiser! * Zach’s brother Joe Quinto plays one of Nero’s crew. * Nimoy wrote Spock’s final line: “Thrusters on full.” * There was thought of giving Nimoy’s movie-ending “These are the voyages …” speech to Shatner! DELETED SCENES (all in HD on the Blu-ray and all with commentaries by Abrams, Burk, Kurtzman and Lindelof): * “Spock Birth” (1:52) As strange fauna scuttles across Vulcan, we learn how Spock was named. * “Klingons Take Over Narada” (:46) The Romulans speak Romulan; the Klingons Klingon. * “Young Kirk, Johnny and Uncle Frank” (1:36) We meet Kirk’s older brother and jerk of an uncle. * “Amanda and Sarak Argue After Spock Fights” (:38) Amanda says Spock has to be Spock. * “Prison Interrogation and Breakout” (3:08) The Klingons all wear helmets that cover their foreheads and noses, neatly sidestepping the question of whether or not these Kirk-era Klingons have bumps. (Abrams’ Romulans, remember, also eschew the forehead appliances introduced in “The Next Generation.”) Curiously, the Klingon inquisitor (Victor Garber) and Nero speak English in the latter part of this sequence! * “Sarek Gets Amanda” (:22) Spock’s dad, on a Vulcan hoverbike, beckons his wife to seek shelter from the Romulan attack. * “Dorm Room and Kobayashi Maru (Original Version)” (3:59) We see green Orion girl Gaila’s role in Kirk’s unprecedented victory. * “Kirk Apologizes to the Green Girl” (:54) A really funny scene dropped along with a subplot about Gaila’s role in helping Kirk conquer the Kobayashi Maru test. * “Sarek Sees Spock” (:12) Spock’s father doesn’t really see Spock Prime; he just senses him as he walks by. OTHER EXTRAS (all, pleasingly, in HD on the Blu-ray edition): * “To Boldly Go” (16:41) Learn the 2009 movie was shot on the same stages the 1966 TV show was. Hear Abrams say he said “yes” to the offer to make a new “Trek” very quickly. Learn Orci was the team’s chief Trekker. Learn Kurtzman was converted after “The Wrath of Khan.” Learn Lindelof watched “Star Trek” repeats on WPIX late at night on a black and white TV set. Learn Burk knew nothing of “Trek.” Learn the altered timeline element was created to eliminate a problem that plagues all prequels, namely: we always know how they end. Recall that Nimoy had indicated long ago that he was done with the character of Spock. * “The Shatner Conundrum” (1:58) Learn why Abrams met with Shatner as well as Nimoy before scripting the movie and why Shatner ultimately did not appear in it. “It was the needs of canon vs. the needs of the movie,” allows Orci. (Unmentioned is Abrams also met with George Takei.) * “Red Shirt Guy” (:43) The actor who plays the officer who gets baked by the Romulan drill wonders why he wasn’t given more of the script. * “The Green Girl” (3:25) “Alias” star Rachel Nichols reveals freckles were added to her green Orion character to make the paint job look less like a paint job, and that Chris Pine got plenty green as well during their make-out scenes. * “Trekker Alert” (2:22) A really cute bar-scene extra reveals she came to Hollywood to work on the film, and reveals her very real Starfleet insignia tattoo. A chubbier extra reveals he is living a “dork’s dream come true.” * “Casting” (28:53) Learn Quinto decided he wanted to play Spock after someone mentioned him for the role on a message board. See footage of Saldana chatting with Nichelle Nichols on set. Learn that Urban was watching the “Trek” box sets with his son when he heard about Abrams’ film. Learn that Cho worked with Abrams on “Felicity.” Learn Burk thinks Cho “couldn’t look less like George Takei.” Learn Abrams feared fan anger when he wanted to cast the Korean Cho to play the Japanese helmsman Sulu, but relaxed a bit when Takei told him Roddenberry’s Sulu was supposed to represent all Asians on the show. (Which is why Sulu doesn’t have a Japanese name.) Learn that Yelchin loves Chekhov because Chekhov was chasing tail in “The Apple” while everyone else was working. Learn that Russian-born American-reared Yelchin is a chess genius. See Abrams introducing Yelchin to Walter Koenig. Learn Pegg used to watch the show nightly on BBC2. Learn Pegg is married to a girl from Glasgow. Learn Greenwood’s role as John Kennedy in “Thirteen Days” led to him playing Pike. Learn Abrams thinks Greenwood is “literally the funniest guy I ever met in my life.” See an emotional Nimoy bid the production goodbye. * “A New Vision” (19:31) A look at what “Star Wars” lover Abrams brought to the new film. Hear Kurtzman describe “Trek” as classical and “Wars” as rock. Learn Abrams used a lot of the same crew he used on “Mission: Impossible III.” Learn Trek was shot anamorphic and on film. Learn that a lot of those lens flares were created by dudes pointing flashlights into the camera, and a lot of them were created by dudes with computers. Watch as Abrams personally vibrates the cameras during shots by shaking their magazines. Learn small children were used to double Kirk, Nero and Klingons. * “Savage Pressure” (3:08) A look at Scottish first assistant director Tommy Gormley, who loves to say “savage pressure!” for reasons on which I’m unclear. * “Starships” (24:33) Learn that the Kelvin was already supposed to be an unusually old Starfleet vessel at the time it was sacrficed. (If you can catch a close-up of the captain’s chair, you can see it’s been distressed.) Learn existing locations were used for ship interiors to better give a sense of the vessels’ immense size. Learn the Long Beach power plant that doubled for the innards of the Kelvin was built in the 1930s.

Learn that this movie’s Enterprise is more than twice the length of the one Kirk commanded in the TV show and prior movies. (2,380 feet vs. 948 feet for the original.) Learn the hull of the Queen Mary partially inspired the design of the new Enterprise hull. Learn the Budweiser plant used for Enterprise interiors was the one in the San Fernando Valley, just east of the Van Nuys Airport. Learn cast and crew had to wear helicopter headsets to communicate because the Budweiser plant was so noisy. Learn Uhura’s original Enterprise workstation was in a part of the plant always maintained at 41 degrees Fahrenheit.

Learn the bridge went through three phases of design: the first looked like a cross between the Enterprise-D and something out of “Wall-E,” the second looked too much like the 1960s TV show bridge, and the third and final was a hybrid of the first two. (Like so many aspects of this production, all three highly detailed illustrations depicting the bridge are gorgeous and suitable for framing. And the final design of the bridge was certainly best of the three in my view.) Learn Urban and Pine visited the under-construction bridge set the day the met. Learn Orci was among the last to sit in the captain’s chair and Kurtzman could never bring himself to sit in it. Learn the Narada was seven miles long. Learn the Narada CGI model was so big a single CGI frame of it could take 24 hours for computers to generate.

* “Warp Explained” (1:22) A look at the now-much-darker bussard collectors at the front of the nacelles. * “Paint Job” (1:14) A look at the Enterprise hull “prism paint” that pays homage to the Enterprise of the 1980s movies. * “Bridge Construction Accelerated” (1:18) A frame-a-day look at the bridge coming into being. * “The Captain’s Chair” (:45) Learn the buttons on the chair’s arms really work. * “Button Acting 101” (1:44) Learn Cho was often hitting “buttons” that didn’t really exist. * “Narada Construction Accelerated” (1:20) A frame-a-day look at the Narada interior coming into being. * “Shuttle Shuffle” (1:46) Learn the military transport on which Kirk and McCoy meet was supposed to be 30 or 40 years old. * “Aliens” (16:30) Learn the alien helmsman on the Kelvin bridge was named Kasia, and he was a male played by a very thin woman. See Deep Roy getting made up as Scotty’s sidekick. Learn this production pioneered “seamless” Vulcan ears. See Nimoy giving Abrams notes on the ears. Learn it was easier to Quinto to pluck his own eyebrows because he could tell when the tweezers actually got hold of something. Learn the biggest ice monster on Delta Vega was named Big Red. Learn in the original script, the ice planet was a desert planet. Learn Big Red actually makes his home in the oceans of Delta Vega. * “The Alien Paradox” (1:40) A look at dancer/performance artist Paradox Pollack, who created alien movements and coached actors in how to use them. * “Big-Eyed Girl” (1:35) A look at how they created the memorable look for the alien medical professional who tends to Winona Kirk. * “Big Bro Quinto” (1:26) A look at Quinto’s big brother Joe, who was recruited into playing a Romulan while visiting the set. * “Klingons” (1:57) Learn Victor Garber, who played the Klingon interrogator, was given a crinkly Klingon nose to wear beneath his helmet. * “Drakoulias Anatomy 101” (1:35) Learn the snow creature that gets attacked by Big Red was conceived as a hybrid of a gorilla and a polar bear. (Which would make it a mugato, wouldn’t it?) Learn the Drakoulias originally had very visible testicles. * “Planets” (16:10) Learn that Vulcan exteriors were shot at Vasquez Rocks, where Shatner fought the Gorn. Learn the drilling platform above Vulcan and the snowy Delta Vega exteriors were filmed simultaneously in different parts of the Dodger Stadium parking lot.

Learn the Starfleet shuttle hanger was actually a 170-foot tall Tustin, Calif., blimp hanger built in 1941 that still services blimps.

Learn the Long Beach city council hall built in the 1970s served as the Starfleet Academy auditorium. Learn that the Cal State Northridge library built in the 1970s served as Starfleet Academy’s exterior. Learn the Iowa sequences were shot in Bakersfield. Learn the production planted 80 acres of wheat in Bakersfield. Learn the Iowa granite quarry young Kirk almost falls into is 600 feet deep and situated in Vermont. * “Extra Business” (2:29) A look at the production’s army of background performers. Learn they sleep a lot between takes. Learn DGA trainee and extra wrangler Lauren Pasternack is hot stuff. * “Confidentiality” (2:45) A look at efforts to keep as much about the production secret as possible. Learn there was a whole “confidentiality team” comprised of as many as 40 production assistants. See the covered golf-cart that drove Quinto from his trailer to the set. Learn in the spoiler-foiling scripts McCoy’s lines went to “Henry” while Spock’s were uttered by “Gil.” Learn Pine was photographed in his cadet uniform while peeing just outside the Tustin blimp hanger. * “Props and Costumes” (9:22) Learn the guy who invented the first flip phone based the device on Trek’s communicators. Learn the movie’s communicators allow the user to see to whom he’s speaking. Learn large pieces of the movie’s phasers flip quickly and dramatically when they’re switched from “stun” to “kill.” * “Klingon Wardrome” (1:08) We learn how the Klingon uniforms, which all looked like elephant hide, were made without harming a single elephant. * “Ben Burtt and he Sounds of Star Trek” (11:45) A look at sound designer Ben Burtt and his work on the new “Trek.” Learn Burtt was an early Trekkie and took the sounds of the TV show as an inspiration for this work on the original “Star Wars.” Learn that Burtt could not watch the earliest episodes of “Star Trek” when it was first broadcast because his college was situated too far from the transmitters of any NBC affiliate, so he had his father make reel-to-reel audio recordings of the episodes. Learn Burtt could not track down how the series’ original sound effects were created. Learn Burtt’s tennis shoes sqeaking on his kitchen floor and the hiss of a trolley car’s doors opening were combined for the new Enterprise’s doors. Learn Burtt used an ancient Moog synthesizer to recreate many of the series’ memorable sound effects. See the chimes used to create transporter materialization. See how a long Slinky-like wire coil, a c-clamp and a step-ladder were used to create the photon torpedo fire. * “Score” (6:28) Learn movie composer Michael Giacchino watched “Trek” as a kid and still owns the action figures he had back then. See his orchestra play the original Alex Courage theme. Hear him explain why it wasn’t used until the end of the movie. Learn an odd-looking Chinese violin was used to perform Spock’s theme. See Abrams play the banjo. * “Gene Roddenberry’s Vision” (8:47) A look at how the pioneering efforts in the areas of civil rights and space travel influenced the TV show’s creator. Learn that Orci hopes there’s an interplanetary federation watching us right now, waiting for us to become advanced enough to join up. * “Starfleet Vessel Simulator” Interactive HD tours of ILM’s CGI Enterprise and Narada. You can fire phasers and torpedoes or play short videos that give you wrap-around looks at the Enterprise’s main bridge and corridors – or a glimpse of the Narada’s sinister extraction drill. * “Gag Reel” (6:22) Flubs, foul-ups, dancing and lots of Abrams thumping a wireless microphone. It ends with Pine and Quinto aboard Spock’s squidship, performing their entire scene with Scottish accents. * “Teaser Trailer” (1:18) Welders create an Enterprise in Iowa as Spock says, “Space: The Final Frontier.” * “Theatrical Trailer: The Wait Is Over” (2:14) Kirk dumps a car in the quarry, plus footage of Spock and Nero that didn’t get into the movie. * “Theatrical Trailer: Prepare for the Beginning” (2:17) Pike dares Kirk to do better. May 8 is promised. * “Theatrical Trailer: Buckle Up” (1:03) Uhura wonders aloud if Kirk knows what he’s doing.
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  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    First

    by Tallyrand

    It sucked

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Second

    by Tallyrand

    Cool FX

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Third

    by Tallyrand

    Wanted a better story/dialogue

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:22 a.m. CST

    four

    by echobase

    one of the best looking Blu ray I've seen

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    9/11 was an inside job

    by Spazatronik2000

    Infowars.com

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    SPOCK IN CAVE = FLAMES ON OPTIMUS

    by Spazatronik2000

    Star Trek was pretty groovy. I admired Abram's direction.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Dicks

    by catlettuce4

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Denty420

    Now that's what I call a lot of extras.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    100% wank-dom

    by Carl's hat

    Seriously, those out there still defending this movie..hang your heads in shame. If this giant ad doesn't convince you how blatantly one-eyed this site and sci-fi mags in general have been about this movie, you're living in ga-ga land. This movie and this review have seriously made me ask myself why I come to this site. Utter drivel.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    themagicalhornofguntata

    by Hercules

    it literally took me more than a week to get through them all

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives just blew a gasket

    by quantize

    everything he hates....gotta love it

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:39 a.m. CST

    'this site and sci-fi mags"

    by Hercules

    don't forget the mainstream press! 95% positive on Rotten Tomatoes!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    you're right...

    by Carl's hat

    them too.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    why can't I use a-b repeat on paramount blu-rays

    by Meadowe

    And some other companies too. I used to be able to do it on wb blu-rays like departed and I am legend, then I couldn't a-b repeat on The Dark Knight, but we recently got batman 1989 and I could use it again. What gives? Btw we play blu rays on our ps3.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    now let's have 1 lame reason

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    AsimovLives doesn't like it. <p>So getting this release. sounds awesome.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST

    One thing you won't find on there:

    by kwisatzhaderach

    A well-directed, well-written dramatic piece of filmmaking.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST

    This Movie Sucks!!! Save Your Money And See...

    by Media Messiah

    ...Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan instead. Now that s a great movie!!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5 a.m. CST

    Waiting for the moar lens flair edition

    by NippleEffect

    Got my shades on special order

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:02 a.m. CST

    My gf loved it.

    by LastOfTheV8Interceptors

    Because of this movie, she is working her way through TOS... and she historically hates sci-fi. There's something to be said for that even if this version has its share of haters.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:02 a.m. CST

    And why the ad for the DVD?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Further proof AICN is kissing Abrams ass at every opportunity.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST

    You'll notice that none of the fans of this movie

    by kwisatzhaderach

    ever defend the writing and directing. Shoddy TV-level at best.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Do I get this DVD for free if I already own STAR WARS?

    by BurnHollywood

    Ain't right to charge a person twice for the same fucking movie...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Hercules

    I hereby defend this film's brilliant screenplay and glorious, innovative, meticulous direction.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by Hercules

    If you have Star Wars on Blu-ray I will gladly buy it off you.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    "95% positive on Rotten Tomatoes!"

    by BurnHollywood

    NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN: 94%<p> THE DEPARTED: 92%<p> THERE WILL BE BLOOD: 91%<p> Anybody else seeing something a little "funny" there?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Loved the film but kirk-spock prime meeting blew it

    by Spacesheik

    how in the hell did young kirk just get shot to a planet and land exactly 30 yards from spock primes cave....that almost ruined the movie for me to be honest, even with 'suspension of disbelief'

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    AICN's BLOWJOB for JJ this week - CHECK

    by Frye777

    Helping the DVD sales, hah? Who much is your cut dickheads? Or you get other bonus? Like set visting etc? THIS SITE IS SOLD TO STUDIOS AGES AGO.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:21 a.m. CST

    At least Bill Shatner still has credibility

    by Carl's hat

    Bill, you and I know Abrams is gonna come crawlin' and offer you shitloads to be in the sequel. You are the coolest motherfucker on Planet Earth. You know what to do. Smile, shake your head and walk away...timeless.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    I hereby dont give a shit what you think Hercules

    by Frye777

    period

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:25 a.m. CST

    yeah Carl'hat BIll Shatner is timeless

    by Frye777

    and loser JJ couldnt include him in this movie cos some BS story reason. everything is possible in ST but not for JJ! Fuck you for leaving the Shat out.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Learn that Hercules is a lying cunt

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Credibility? Fuck that. Buy shit!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:35 a.m. CST

    GREEN GIRL LOOKS LIKE CHEAP HALLOWEEN MAKE-UP

    by Missing Dink

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:37 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood! Over here!!!

    by irishraidersfan

    Yes, I see something suspicious- you can't understand a majority of reviewers obviously disagree with you. My God, IMAGINE!!! Your opinion is not... FACT!?! How the hell did that happen??? People are entitled to their own views? Huh? Personally, just my opinion, I'd completely agree with those numbers. Sure, some people don't like the end of "No Country" or found "There Will Be Blood" a bit too intense, but believe it or not, others looked beyond that. I hate to say it, but it always seems to be American audiences that either go one way "OMG!!! Best filum EVAR!!!" or the equally retarded "ZOMG! That SUCKED!!!" - God forbid if you suggest any degree in between, you're 'obviously' wrong...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:45 a.m. CST

    I love the fact that...

    by Pawprint

    Despite the whining twats wailing about this film, and this site 'selling out', it does not detract one iota from the fact that millions and millions of people worldwide have enjoyed this film.<p> It must really twist the tits of the anally retentive Trekkies that this film is probably the most successful trek film of all time - it brought sci-fi to masses of people who would not normally be interested (especially in fucking Trek), and some whining bastards think this is a BAD thing?!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Carl's hat, then it begs the question

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Why are you even fucking here? Don't worry, man. You won't be missed. See ya! <p>All this hate for AICN liking Star Trek is strange. It's not like they are the only ones. Ok it's a love/hate thing with this movie, but to make out it's all some conspiracy is just nuts. What does it matter to you if others like what you don't? very very bizzare indeed. Get over yourselves. You are wasting your time. <p>As for posting the DVD details. I'm so glad Herc did as I wasn't sure what was on this and now I know I'll be ordering it for sure. The title says it all. What a foolish thing to click on it if not interested.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Spacesheik, because as I remember it

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    That is where the federation base is in that sector. That's also where Nero sent spock isn't it? Makes perfect sense to me. How else would you have got kirk and old spock to meet up to push the story forward then?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach, Media Messiah and Asshole Lives

    by quantize

    3 sphincters of the same blowhole.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Oh Poor Zargotron...

    by Pawprint

    Did the bad man make a Star Trek film that didn't slavishly follow decades of tired, self-important, bloated, dusty and boring accepted Trek tradition?<p> Never mind - why not go back and watch the breath-taking thrill ride that isn't the original Star Trek motion picture...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Cos we can't reverse.

    by Jedibobster

    Anyone bitching about this film has seriously got to look at themselves. Have you not been paying attention? STAR TREK has been flatlining for years - this movie was just what that universe needed. Breezy, funny and entertaining. Something Star Trek hasn't been this effortlessly since The Voyage Home. Sure, here's hoping the sequel ups the emotional ante a little more, hits a bit heavier. But I'll take this over Star Trek - The (slow) Motion Picture - and look how the sequel to that ended up?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    zargotron

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    "Beastie Boys playing while kid Kirk drives a car off a cliff?" - Nice in joke for fans of Shatner <p>"Spock and Uhura in love?" - Sure why not. People said the same thing back in the day about Kirk and the space girl. Which brings me to the next one... <p>"Ugly green chick is supposed to turn me on?"- No. it's a homage again to Kirk and it turns him on. <p>"Original Spock just happens to be on a planet they get dropped off on?" - That was covered above I think. <p>"Stupid ass orbital skydive?" - Well they couldn't teleport down so what do you suggest instead? <p>"KIRK EATING AN APPLE DURING THE KOBAYASHI MARU!?!?!?" - A homage again to kirk. This time the Wraith of Khan. <p>hey guess what? You didn't like it, but I'm a fan of trek and I did. There's no right or wrong here, but hope you have a better understanding now of why people did? And certainly no reason to get so mad over it all.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Quantize: Quantize This!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Your personal attacks aside, I am inviting you to watch Wrath of Khan back to back with JJ Abrams' Star Trek...and you will witness a far better film in Khan, by leaps and bounds.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Favoritism does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Why does STAR TREK's home release get a dedicated talkback on AICN?<p> Can we expect the same for TERMINATOR SALVATION, DISTRICT 9, HARRY POTTER?<p> Herc, we can all see you're checking in on this tb - please clarify why this particular home release gets a write up all of its own?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai, why not?

    by Pawprint

    It's a geek staple, like SW and LOTR, which I'm pretty sure had dedicated TBs.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    What I see is a great prequel to Khan. They are both different but work rather great as a double bill thinking about it. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai, let's hope so eh?

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Would love to see the same treatment for Distict 9. One place. one click. no searching around the net trying to get not only what's on the disc but details about what they contain. Awesome stuff. Say "thank you, Herc" like a good boy.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Pawprint, I think the Extended Editions of LOTR were reviewed - but let's face it they were almost new movies.<p> Maybe others know different but I don't EVER remember a Blu Ray release of a theatrical cut getting a dedicated tb.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    No Zargotron,

    by Pawprint

    They made a fun, accessible sci-fi film that appealled to MILLIONS - not morons.<p> Suck it up, buttercup.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    There's a new Star Trek movie?

    by WerePlatypus

    And it's on Blue Ray? I had no idea until -just- now.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    So who's going to play Cap't Kirk?

    by WerePlatypus

    I vote for the guy in that movie.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Cobra..

    by Pawprint

    I am fairly sure SW: TPM DVD got a TB.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Player_Two, i'd like to see that too. I just want a modicum of fairness in coverage. I'd much rather see a full article on the 'big' home release geek movies than a little sentence in Harry's oft-delayed DVD column.<p> But when there is no fairness then it gives ammo to the people that claim AICN's 'favor' can be bought $.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Sounds like zargotron is an embodiment of that Onion video.

    by sapno_krei

    I know a guy who was and is a devoted fan of Trek -- knows every minor character by name, references plot points I have no clue about, and can tell you the entire construction "history" of every version of the Enterprise. And *he* loved this new Trek enough to see it twice in a row in one day. And then again the next day.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai, which is what this might become

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    How about the thought that it wasn't done before because this is something new? I'm sure the studios are grateful you are here to try and keep a fair balance though. <p>I also agree with the Harry DVD column comment. Give it over to herc to give as many details as possible if Harry doesn't have the time. What's the harm it's just one extra headline on the front page of AICN. Nothing to get bent out of shape about.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Player_Two_Has_Entered_The_Game:

    by Media Messiah

    It just serves to prove that prequels are never as good as what proceeded them.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah, oh you are the nutcase here!

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Sorry I thought I was talking to someone sane of mind. My mistake. You are the resident fruitcake. I remember now! Let's forget it yeah? I'd rather not communicate with you if that's ok? thanks!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Hercules, how long did it take to type that article out?

    by FamousEccles

    you could have just said there was lots of good stuff on it. Honestly, listing out trivia from the commentary is pretty pathetic. don't you have a family? or friends?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Its his job asshole.

    by dailysportspages

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Too much hype kills interest

    by CaseyMcCall

    This might have been the nail in the coffin of Trek interest.

  • never got to the bottom of that one, she was in all the magazines etc as orion slave girl but not in the movie or listed in the deleted scenes is she anywhere to be seen? tbh diora as a slave girl was one of my highly anticipated bits of the reboot! :)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    CaseyMcCall, you are kidding right?

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    JJ and his trek will be talked about years and years from now for whatever reason. While your post will be long forgotten in what? About an hour or so?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    easter egg

    by ferrisdownunder

    Loved this film. Been a Trek fan for a long time...a bonus for anyone with a pause button, when the Enterprise comes out of warp and finds itself in the middle of federation ship wreckage, the guys and gals at ILM put in a special piece of wreckage...none other than R2D2 goes flying past the window/view screen.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Best Trek, best science Fiction

    by Powerring

    It may have had flaws (inviso text be damned, the Scotty sequence was more like Willy Wonka and Augustus Gloop) But it has far fewer flaws and smaller flaws than most trek films of the past. There is no need to deconstruct this, it's excellent stand alone or for Trekkers. Show me a movie that you think is flawless, and I'll find flaws.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    reference quality?

    by Titus05

    hopefully the Blu Ray will be reference quality HD material...I'm very picky with my Blu Ray selection

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    PowerRing, I'll take up that challenge!

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Dr Strangelove?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    by CaseyMcCall

    You can't correct your postings on here. I meant to say 'nail in the coffin of MY interest'. JJ and his Trek, that sounds like some failed '80's garage band. Anyway, why do all reboots have to feature these guys who look they should be in shampoo ads and not movies. Oh well.

  • I find it hard thinking of another movie that qualifies for all 3 categories?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Nodody overseas like Star Trek

    by standundermyumbrella

    Domestic $257 milliom overseas: $127 million hercules never mentioned THAT!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Zargotron who's the moron here?

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    The one who keeps going on about Felicity or the one who doesn't even know what the fuck it is? ...one sec I'll google... <p>...oh it's a JJ tv series. We didn't get that in my country. I'll be sure to check it out so I can at least give you the pleasure of the insult making any sense to me and having the effect you desire. I'll indulge you this one time. It seems to be all you have.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Its the idiots Star trek basically

    by Frecklesgirl

    There are so many issues with the new star trek its almost funny, unintentionally and this is from a 20 some girls view....IM me shortpagirl on yahoo!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    5/5 for this piece of shit?

    by ominus

    'a film with with dense imaginative plot and imagery?' get the fuck out of here Herc. <p>You know i really dont mind if there are people who like this film,who had a joyful experience with it.I must admit that it is a good popcorn flick,you can enjoy it for what it is: mindless entertainment <p>But i wont accept two fucking things,especially from guys who are self-proclaimed as professional movie critics: <p>that this movie is from an artistic point of view well-written and well-directed <p>and that this thing is clearly about Star Trek. <p>i am sorry Herc but you are off-side in both things,and you may try your best to persuade people to buy this bluray movie,(i wont say that you work for the studios,after all we all must eat to live),but at the end you only manage to lower your credibility towards the people who demand something more than mindless fun,to be entertained.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Most of it made no sense at all....mindless

    by Frecklesgirl

    action for people bored with any real story that makes sense at all. Yeah kirk became captain immediately out of training school...uh MAJOR plot issue..!!!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Most important point in Herc's article?

    by V'Shael

    That this is for dilletantes. <p> In other words, not for hard core fans. <p> If you're the sort of person who knows the ins and outs of the prime directive, or how long it takes to rise through the ranks to Captaincy, or can spot the technobullshit in the script, or the gaps in logic, etc.. then this isn't for you. <p> Unfortunately, I saw the movie early at a festival, and never saw Herc's warning. As such, I thought the movie was fucking terrible. An absolute travesty. But I still recommended it to my brother in law, because he's not a Trek head, and I told him it was like a cross between Galaxy Quest and Independence Day. (Some jokes and explosions.) He really liked it, as I knew he would. <p> So, good movie, I guess. Just a really shit Star Trek movie. Because Trek at its best, made you think. And this movie only works if you DON'T think too much.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Freckles, I don't think the training school was fit for purpose.<p> Did you see that red-shirt guy who base jumped towards the drill platform with Kirk? He was evidently a Starfleet graduate, just seemed like an undisciplined 'xtreme' asswipe to me tho.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    It was fun enough

    by Pistachio_Wildebeest

    Everyone I know enjoyed it and many have it on pre-order. All fur coat and no knickers, perhaps, but much to like. Funnily enough it was the instant promotion to Captain that bothered people. There was enough goodwill to let all the wild coincidences and plot holes slide, but throwing some cocky ensign the keys to the flagship bugged people. Unfortunately since it's the closing scene it's what you're left thinking about, and strangely it seems to throw the whole shebang into fantasyland more than all the aliens and flashy lights. Wouldn't have hurt to leave that for the end of the sequel.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Frecklesgirl, talking of plot

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    You haven't lost it have you? You didn't really just paste your real address in an open talkback did you? good luck going through all those cock shots. As for kirk. it was 3 years or something after training wasn't it?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    How much cash did they pay you guys?

    by The Dark Shite

    Surely you've honoured your promotional commitments by now???<p>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Quantize

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks for proving my point that those who liked the film can't defend it on any kind of practical basis and therefore have to resort to childish name-calling.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    It's a fun flick

    by Sal_Bando

    Guaranteed to piss off Goat loving Portuguese everywheres though.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Herc

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Your comment made me grin, but I know that deep down you know enough about the arts of screenwriting, dialogue, performance, direction and cinematography to know that this new Trek was a TV movie on a huge budget. Though you really don't expect major studio blockbusters to shoot futuristic engine rooms in a Budweiser factory.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Transformers 2 must be the better movie.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    It made more money than this. I bet it also had less plotholes than Star Wars..er...Star Trek.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Zargotron

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Right, this new Trek is a cliffs notes version indeed. <p> Media Messiah: There's no point trying to tell people to watch JJs shitfest and Wrath of Khan back-to-back. They would just think Khan was slow, and had, like, you know, bad sfx and actors in toupees and shit. Let them enjoy their fast-food version of Trek, they'll learn their mistake in a few years when the re-runs of the new film have nothing to offer them beyond surface gloss. The old Treks have already stood the test of time and will continue to do so.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    BurnedNotice_Dude

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The correct title is Star Trekwars.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    HEY! Let's argue about STAR TREK before 9 A.M.!...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...on a Saturday morning!<P>Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST

    The friendship between Kirk & Spock is ruined here

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    There are many reasons why i left the cinema after watching this with a bad taste in my mouth, but the main reason was what happens to Kirk and Spock in this movie.<p>Perhaps i'm wrong and i need to re-watch it (*shudder*) but i walked away with the impression that one of the greatest friendships in science-fiction is born from Kirk meeting an older Spock and being told that they'll be great friends. And that's IT. He becomes friends with Spock simply because he's TOlD TO.<p>That SUCKS.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Frecklesgirl..

    by The Dark Shite

    I was surprised you gave your yahoo address. That's not the safest thing to do, so I googled it, thinking it must be a joke or something. <p> Imagine my surprise when the only shortpagirl in the search results, was on a website called "Show me your wife" :-).<p> Please tell me that was you. Please!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    V'Shael i disagree and thats why: Star Trek 4

    by ominus

    the most successful movie of the franchise.Yes it was the less Star Trek movie,but it was also a well-made movie,with a decent story,a message,and a lot of entertainment which it was not mindless.everything in that movie,served a purpose and was not thrown randomly like Spock in the reboote movie.i mean really what the fuck was Spock's purpose in the movie's story,besides the fact that he was a bait for the fanboys to go and watch the movie. <p>And you know what else: the TOS characters were very funny while also maintaining their true identity.They didnt become clowns of themselves to bring laughs to the audience,like JJ did ie with Scottie. <p>so spare me the excuse that the new star trek movie is not a movie for the HC fans,that they are never going to like it.No,the problem is that the fucking movie was mediocre,a product with iconic ingredients,impressively repacked for the modern audience.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    AWESOME!!!

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    This was one awesome piece of entertainment! I love the "STAR TREK is classical while STAR WARS is rock" line. This IS STAR TREK, and no one should claim otherwise. And always remember...SPECIAL EFFECTS RULE THE UNIVERSE!!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Lay off the coke True Pinback.

    by The Dark Shite

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    How much do they pay AICN for free advertising?

    by GeorgieBoy

    I've never seen such blatant shilling for a movie (or anything for that matter) as this. You'd think this movie was the second coming of Obama or something.<br><br> And your flaws list misses the biggest one of all: A BLACK HOLE IS *NOT* A TIME PORTAL! Anyone with a third grade education knows that.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST

    @Omnius: Hey, I love Trek 4.

    by V'Shael

    So I'm not sure what your point is. Are you trying to say that Trek 4 wasn't for the Hard Core audience? I think it was. <p> It just wasn't *exclusively* for the hard core audience. It also had broad appeal. <p> The new movie just has broad appeal. But it's filled with too many mistakes for a hard core audience to like it. At least that's my take on it.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Sorry True Pinback..

    by The Dark Shite

    I don't mean to be rude. But I'm naturally a very cynical person. I have a hard time dealing with people who seem happy without a cash incentive & who say stuff like "And always remember...SPECIAL EFFECTS RULE THE UNIVERSE!!!". I can almost imagine you using air quotes & grinning. I feel sick. You have no right to be happy.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Frecklesgirl..IM

    by Frecklesgirl

    yeah its my yahoo.....I was gonna chat about the star trek movie is all!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    The only thing more power than a black hole

    by Ingeld

    are the plot holes in this little gem. Now we can see them in HD. Tell me, how will destroying the sun with a black hole before it blows up save Romulus?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    GeorgieBoy, I believe AICN is owned by a private individual and is unregulated in what content it chooses to post. So if a Studio or Marketing Firm paid them $5k to place this article then that would be entirely legal. That's how I understand the situation to be.<p> I did ask Herc nicely about why aicn chose to promote this particular dvd release with a dedicated tb but he hasn't yet responded.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:37 a.m. CST

    ...if you receive money or gifts in connection with a...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...particular product, should you have to say so when you promote that product? <P>I seem to remember hearing about new legislation on the subject...either under discussion, being proposed, or something. It seems like a good idea.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Extras bore me...

    by BizarroJerry

    Seriously, is it possible to have too many extras? All those short little segments? I get it. You used a green screen and inserted CGI afterward...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    The Beastie Boys track

    by Fortunesfool

    was cool, but that whole scene was a big 'fuck you' to everyone over the age of 30. It was basically a talentless hack saying, 'you know all that stuff your dad thinks is cool, well we're gonna throw it off a cliff because our version is much cooler. If you know, you could actually work out what you were looking at.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Got an amazingly small Penis?

    by The Dark Shite

    Don't worry, buy an Aston Martin Vanquish. Aston Martin vanquish..it's the massive cock of Luxury cars. <p> I await my payment. Cha ching!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    No Heart

    by GeorgieBoy

    That's what this movie is missing! It's just a poor imitation of the original.<br><br> And how much lens flare can one movie subject it's viewer too? Jeez.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by GeorgieBoy

    Getting paid to shill a movie like this is not only dishonest but immoral. Something AICN is I guess. How can you trust any of their reviews if they do this? (Now I'm wondering how much Harry got paid to write a good review of Armageddon...)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    The stupidest thing about the lens flares..

    by The Dark Shite

    was the scene at the start where the Captain orders the viewscreen to be polarised or something. I thought "Hang on, if they can do that, why the fuck are they sitting there in blinding sunlight?". <p> It was just a stupid excuse to show off the shitty lens flares.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:52 a.m. CST

    All gloss

    by Frecklesgirl

    It simply was a fast food, MTV< Nascar version of science fiction, relying on ONLY gloss and FX and lens flares and tilting cameras. It wont stand the test of time, but will make big money on people wanting junk food!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    It actually gets worse on repeated viewing.

    by The Dark Shite

    I sort of liked it when I first saw it. There was a lot I didn't like, but I appreciated the scale of it. <p> Having seen it again though, I noticed just how basic & shallow it was. It's very superficial & skips a lot of stuff that needs to be answered. <p> It also lacks true emotional depth or depth of character. All in all, it's fun, but about as deep as a scotsman's favourite pocket.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Wrath of Khan = Overrated

    by Pants_McCracky

    I was -- still am -- one of those who reveres Wrath of Khan as the greatest Star Trek movie, but I went back and watched it again shortly before the new Trek flick came out and you know what? It hasn't actually aged that well. Hokey dialogue, hammy/stilted acting, plot points that seem more and more ludicrous as time goes by. And believe me, as a lifelong Trek fan it hurts my heart to say these things, but I think the Wrath of Khan we endlessly compare every Trek film with exists more in our memories than reality. Yeah, it kicked my ass when I first saw it as a teen, and there's no denying its place in Trek history as the film that revitalized -- hell, created -- the Trek franchise and basically defined post-TOS Star Trek. But if you look at both films without the warm filter of nostalgia, new Trek actually holds up pretty well against Wrath of Khan, and in cinematic terms, bests it in many ways. Wrath remains and will probably always be my favorite Trek film, but I don't know that I'd call it a better film, period. Heresy, I know, but there it is.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    ...GeorgieBoy, that's the exact reason for the possible...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...new laws I was hearing about. Journalists and news sites are theoretically bound by certain rules about full disclosure etc... Private sites and blogs are accountable to no one. Increasingly, journalistic and private sites look exactly the same...it's confusing and dilutes the believability of all internet content (say it isn't so!)<P>Paid advertising is OK, but it should probably be clearly marked...like those annoying "paid advertising" sections in your favorite magazine.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    What this movie needed was more

    by ominus

    COWBELLS.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    trek for the masses

    by hank90000

    it was a movie made for the mass population. full of action and little substance.it was never made for die hard fans. the only real good thing that came out of this movie. is that hopefully the new fans will go back and find out what trek is really about.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Yahoo does the same thing..

    by The Dark Shite

    A lot of their "news" stories are actually advertising. They lure people in to read a story, then give them the hard sell. <p> A good, well trained Journalist can do it so that only other Journalists & smart, over-analytical people can tell it's an advertisement. Unfortunately, AICN staff can't. <p>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Ben Stiller

    by eggers

    Am I the only one who noticed the blink and you'll miss it Ben Stiller Romulan cameo?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    All the butthurt in here is just funny.

    by raw_bean

    Can't wait to get this, great film and thanks for the run-down Herc.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    GeorgieBoy, I said *if* we're talking theoretical here my friend.<p> This is nothing new. Marketing Firms employ hundreds of highly skilled professionals who's sole remit is to ensure that their clients 'product' launch (be it a dvd or a candybar) makes as big a splash as possible. Paid advertizing generally pales in effectiveness next to 'positive word of mouth' and that's why no doubt many marketeers would want to have a v.close 'relationship' with Harry.<p> He certainly accepts free gifts and has written as much but whether or not he would differentiate gifts from money in the bank I truly don't know. For all my noble intentions, I'm personally not sure that I would. <p> At the end of the day this isn't a subscription site for us readers - it's free - so Harry's freebies (whatever form they might take) are not a massive issue.<p> We've all seen massive inconsistencies in the positive/negative reviews Harry writes. One week he'll sing the praises of a plastic studio crapathon (like VAN HELSING and SPIDERMAN 3) the next week he'll damn the very same style of flick (TRANSFORMERS 2, 2012). QED. Draw your own conclusions.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I'm still waiting for the Defenders to explain...

    by br1947

    A) Swelling Goofy-Ass Kirk<br> B) Flushing Scotty<br>There are a ton of other things that are debatable, but I have yet to see a remotely reasonable explanation for these two and why they were necessary for the movie.<br><br>The same people that 'love' this Trek are the same idiots running out to see 2012, they are the same movie. Lots of flashy good looking effects, no depth, no plot whatsoever.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I'll chip in for a copy for AssimovLives

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Yes Asi, Christmas can come earlier

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    ...the sad thing is that at this point, you have to assume...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that any private site or blog is bought and payed for. It might very well not be, but you have to assume that it is.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    NOW IF ONLY WE COULD GET BETTER WRITERS FOR THE SEQUEL.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I know AsimovLives hates the new Trek with the burning rage of a thousand suns but, and I've said this before, I loved Abrams Direction and the casting was perfect. Now all we need is some better writers and we could see a truly classic New Trek film. I want this series to succeed and hopefully Abrams will realize what dead weight Orci and Kurtzman are around his neck. Maybe he could get Ronald D. Moore who not only ushered in the best years of Star Trek The Next Generation but also blew my ass off with the new Battlestar Galactica and I never even liked the original show!!! Seriously, get Moore and team him with Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, who are the BEST Star Trek novelists, and you’d really have a shot at making a fucking great sequel.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    BR1947

    by Tiberius_Prime

    TREK and 2012 are the same movie?! Fuck Off.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

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  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    ...but if anyone anywhere wants to post a glowing...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...review of my latest picture book I can get you a copy lickety split...with a patented five dollar bill book mark thrown in.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    That's par for the course Flickapoo

    by The Dark Shite

    but it's the fakery that annoys most people. I mean, look at the article. There's no point to it! None at all. It's there to do a job, i.e, advertise & to pretend otherwise is silly.<p> Oh & Miyamoto_Musashi, I just found out the other day, I'm about a 20 mins boat ride from Musashi's most famous fight. I had no idea!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Beer for me, banhammer for orangepico12345

    by The Dark Shite

    Thank you.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    br1947 i will continue your points with this: LOTR

    by ominus

    one small example of how Holywood basterdizes everything,even its own properties,in the name of profit: <p>Gimli turned into comic relief for the masses = Scottie turned into comic relief for the masses. <p>and you have the idiots here who defend the movie as a good cinematical work of art.OFC it is good you morons,because it is made for your low level IQ.how else were you supposed to go and give your money to the big costumes of Holywood? mindless fun indeed,since you dont have the mind for something more than that.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Spacesheik

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Uh...dude you see Kirk cover a lot more ground then 30 yards, plus there is a cut between when he lands and when he see him (now in a storm to suggest a passage of time) bitching about Spock for his log.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    It wasn't that bad

    by James_Camera_On

    Sure, the writing sucked and the direction was weak, but everyone who watched the film knew it could have been much worse. That being said, once again we have a Star Trek movie about Star Trek. Who cares? I think it will be all downhill from here. What they should do is just kill the franchise and go with a spin-off -- Bones McCoy: Space Doctor The Adventure Begins!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    irishraidersfan

    by BurnHollywood

    The fact that this movie had one of the lamest villains in TREK movie history, the plot was blatantly lifted from STAR WARS IV, was science and franchise illiterate and riddled with ridiculous holes and coincidences (like the Kirk/Spock/Scotty meet-up) should have shaved more than a few points off of that astronomical 95% rating, so yeah, I smell something fishy there that goes beyond a mere difference of opinion.<p> If this movie had received a flurry of middling reviews and was down around the seventies, I wouldn't be so concerned...there might be some hope that the next installment would shoot higher. That the critics are so willing (and possibly so GREEDY) that they're giving this a free pass when they so scrutinized WATCHMEN and TERMINATOR (for instance) means that in all likelihood, the same garbage will be foisted on us the next time around.<p> If there's a hint of shit smell on that sloppy joe, I won't be there, and given how quickly this thread turned into a backlash, I suspect a lot of others won't, either.<p> Consider yourself warned, Paramount.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    THE ONE THING MISSING FROM THE BLU-RAY.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    An hour long recreation of LESBIAN HOMEWORK SESSION starring Zoe Saldana and Diora Baird. Why has God not given us this most precious of gifts? FUCK YOU GOD!!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    CO-INKY-DINK

    by Tiberius_Prime

    I just had a thought about the big coincidence of Kirk running into Spock Prime... Okay when the Enterprise fired Kirk's pod toward Delta Vega they would have tried to get it pretty close to the Federation base, no one wanted to kill Kirk, just get him out of their hair. Now when Nero deposits Spock Prime on Delta Vega, making him watch the destruction of his home-world, Nero wanted him to live with that pain as he had been force to, so is it possible that Nero knew there was a Starfleet Outpost on the planet? That he didn't want Spock to die, just to suffer?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    DELTA VEGA

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Does seem to have a funny vibe of being the place you exile people, both Scotty and Kirk being there as a form of punishment, and Spock Prime for revenge/justice romulan style.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    A Star Trek movie about Star Trek!!!

    by hulkiest

    Yes! Brilliant James C. I spent like a half an hour the other day dissecting this new film and the others and that's the problem that was on the tip of my tongue that I forgot to mention. Since Voyage Home all the Star Trek movies have been about Star Trek and nothing more. I don't give it a "wasn't that bad" review" because they had the chance and the budget to finally make a real movie, but no, they simply did what all the TV types have been doing with the franchise since TMP. And while I think Wrath of Khan is the best film, it never blew me away as a cinematic experience, only as a movie about a guy named James T. Kirk.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    WHY DID TREK GET 95% AT ROTTEN TOMATOES YOU ASK?

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Two reasons; the cast and the pacing. Keep the plot moving fast enough and populate the movie with good/likable actors and an audience will eat it up as they did with New Trek while ignoring the inconsistencies and outright stupidity of the script. Remember, sites like AICN represent, I’d say, less than 1% of the general population, while the other 99% just don’t give a shit. If you throw enough state of the art effects and action people will watch anything as in evidence of Transformers success. Sadly, most people don’t want movies that are challenging and intelligent because it makes them feel stupid. This is why movies like La Vie En Rose or Perfume : Story of a Murderer makes fuck all at the box office while Twilight and New Trek makes serious bank. Most people are dumb.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    ...so this is going to continue being a boring old STAR TREK...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...talkback and not become a fascinating conversation about the ethics of journalism Vs. private opinion, paid advertising Vs. financially influenced opinion?<P>Oh well, I tried...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Wil Wheaton.

    by V'Shael

    Did no one else know that Wil did the voices for the off-screen Romulans?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Thanks for proving my point Tiberius_Prime!

    by br1947

    New Trek = 2012, and you have not a single way to dispute this. Both are vapid, glossy crowd-pleasers with no substance aimed at those who made Paris Hilton and the various Kardashians famous for nothing.<br><br>Ominus I do have to disagree a bit on LOTR, a little comic relief is ok in films, in many it is a necessity to build character. The problem is when the writers don't understand subtlety and diverge from comic relief into slapstick at completely inappropriate times and in inappropriate genres. LOTR needed a little lightness here & there, its a 12 hour epic. Star Trek needed a little humor as the original had, but what we got was George Lucas-esque Jar Jar Kirk.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I'm with you FlickaPoo!

    by br1947

    but its just a useless argument, having worked in the media I'll tell you journalistic ethics last just about as long as it takes from walking out of the classroom to walking onto the job the first day. "Journalistic Ethics" is very much an oxymoron

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Herc should win an Academy Award...

    by MisterE

    ...for "Best Verbal Fellatio".

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Flickapoo, this infomercial article has obviously done it's job.<p> Hey when's the (fabulous) Blu Ray released? Oh silly me 'Tuesday' it says so in THE FUCKING HEADLINE.<p> Amazon link is working fine too...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Trekkie fail fags are the best :)

    by Conans Sword

    ive been a huge fan of trek since the 80s or there abouts and i thought this was the best film out of all of em. i also like new battlestar galactica and star wars prequels OMG!. if your that upset that this film didnt cater to decades of bloated convoluted trek lore you must be a socially retarded manboy living an extremly unfulfilling life. get out more, swallow your nerd rage and get the fuck over it. good film, hope the next one is exactly like it. star trek is dead..long live star trek

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    LOST season 5 Blu Ray

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Saw the UK release and posted a review here on the Season 5 finale talkbacks that are still going on. <br><br> I offered Harry a review but he never got back to me.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    REMEMBER, PEOPLE COMPLAINED ABOUT BACK TO THE FUTURE PART 2.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    I remember people bitching that they didn’t understand what was going on because they couldn’t grasp the idea that the events of Part 2 took place not only in an alternative version of Hill Valley in 1985 but also from an alternative perspective of what went on in 1955.<br> <br>These are the same morons who complain about being confused over Mission : Impossible and the scene where Ethan Hunt and Jim Phelps are lying to each other while Hunt is piecing together what really happened in his own head and how he had been played from the beginning by Phelps and Krieger while denying, in his own mind, that Claire was involved because of his feeling for her. Made perfect sense to me but apparently didn’t to 99% of those who saw the movie.<br> <br>Anyway, Back to Back to the Future part 2 made me realize that the general public are not capable of using their brains when it comes to film structure which is why they lap up mindless shit like Bayformers as great Sci-fi movies like A Scanner Darkly and The Fountain bomb.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    clarification on Voyage Home

    by hulkiest

    Before someone balks at what I wrote about Voyage Home and I get labeled an "Ass Hat" or "Douche Bag" for not noticing that Voyage Home had a save the Whales message, yes, I acknowledge that the film paid lip service to its sixties social commentary roots, but it was the first film where the cast and crew realized that people liked them so there was a lot of elbow nudging and old lady jokes that became the norm after that. I liked the tone struck in Khan and Search for Spock where there were occasional crowd pleasing jokes. It wasn't brilliant but you know, seemed in character and released tension. And if BobOrci is monitoring again, I say listen to the detractors on this count. STOP making Star Trek movies simply about Star Trek. I definitely thought that would be the case when JJ stepped aboard because he wasn't versed in the canon, but nope. Seemed like a TNG movie to me. Some cool things, but definitely lazy. Someone mentioned the James Blish covers. I used to stare at those covers endlessly as a lad. I wish the whole movie had that tone and atmosphere. A movie about pioneers in outer space. With real danger and you know, tension!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    ...sadly, no one has even tried to buy my opinion yet.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    hulkiest

    by Tiberius_Prime

    JJ has already said that he wants to weave some real-world relevance into the sequel it's just that introducing the crew had to take precedence in the first outing.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Amazing

    by rogueleader66

    Haters of this movie have been polluting these TB's with all the stuff they continue to spew out 7 months after the movie came out. Funny how the haters seem to be so obsessed with talking about this movie. I liked it, sure, I don't and have never denied it has its problems, but I don't feel the need to come on here over and over and over and over saying why it was good. But the haters do have this strange need to continue to say why they hate it. Who are you trying to convince? Oh and the argument that repeated viewings will make those who like this movie see it for the "crap" that it is, is wrong, at least for me. I saw it twice in the theaters and have watched twice at home. Still like it, sorry to disappoint you.<P>Thinman-the scenes you describe from BTTF II and MI make perfect sense, as long as you're paying attention LOL. People are stupid.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Repeat viewings haven't dimmed it for me either, and I've probably watched it like 20 times by now, I couldn't stop watching it when I got it on DVD a few weeks back.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    But really, gotta hand it to BobOrci

    by hulkiest

    I don't think I'd have the guts to face a thousand mean ass fans telling me I should have my balls cut off for not making a perfect movie.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo, IT'S POINTLESS DISCUSSING JOURNALISTIC ETHICS HERE...

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Harry Knowles, hi co-conspirators, and the people at sites like CHUD have no journalistic ethics. They are paid shills for whoever will give then either freebies or access. The only time these people are honest with us is when they aren’t getting paid. Otherwise it’s nothing but shilling 24/7/365 as in evidence of the way Paramount greased their palms with a private screening of G.I. Joe and, low and behold, we got nothing but glowing reviews from every hack at AICN, CHUD and the rest of these websites.<br> <br>On the other hand, we see what happens when people like Knowles and Faraci don’t get their own way and wage endless hate campaigns against movies like Transformers ROTF or Avatar out of nothing but spite. They are completely unprofessional but try telling them this and you will get banned because their attitude is “we’ll, it’s my site and I can do what I want”, to which I say fine, but I like coming to these sites for info and would appreciate some honestly. If they want to shill, have at it, but don’t come here and lie to me in an attempt to sucker me.<br> <br>Never underestimate just how un-self aware and dishonest these people are and can you say that you’re really surprised when they’re all morbidly obese gluttons with a complete lack of grooming or personal hygiene skills. I fully expect to be banned from just this post alone but I’m hoping that I can put it off long enough so I can partake in the Avatar review talkbacks which should be lots of fun.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Tiberius

    by hulkiest

    I'll do my best to believe JJ until the next one. Unfortunately, now that's a bit like reading Barbara Broccoli state how the latest Bond will be "edgier" and will delve into the character of Bond more. (Please nobody turn this into a Quantum of Solace TB. I'm just making the comparison that for 20 years Bond was always supposed to have more of a character in the films...)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    The preteen scenesex with "lil kirk" sucked hot ass

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    Great movie though. I just really hated that scene.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    br1947 i agree but you dont have to sacrifise

    by ominus

    a character in order to bring laughs to the audience.Thats why i mentioned ST4,the characters there were the authentic we all know and love,but at the same time they were funny,we laughed with them and not AT them.ok the main concept of the movie,(a fish out of its water) helped towards that direction but my point is that JJ and his writers could think of better ways to use their characters in order to bring laughs to the audience. <p>I remember an old interview with John DeLancia where he said that his Q character lost his charm during the Voyager era,because the writers tried to make the character funny. <p>You see,because Q is so loveable to the fans,the writers put him in more and more comedic situations,pushing him to become more funny,but ignoring the fact that Q was in reality a very dangerous threat and that it was the actors implemented persona that made him so fascinating. <p>the same applies with the characters of this new movie,kirk,spock,scottie etc.They didnt write scenes of a story where these characters are part of,they wrote scenes FOR the characters to react and nothing more than that. <p>I wont be suprised if in the sequel even the first trailer will have Khan is some kind of uber cool scene,u know maybe cutting the heads of several mobs with a katana,because u know Khan is so fucking cool and badass,that you have to put him in a badass scene with a badass sword so the fans will go ecstatic with that.and then run to the nearest theater and watch the film. <p>you think i am excessive? ask Lucas with his firefly Yoda...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Re : Carl's hat

    by Real Deal

    Yes! Why do you come to this site and post on a review of the ST BD if you didn't like the film? It's spelled Troll! You may feel the way you do but your opinion isn't shared by many. Sad really as ST fans are supposed to be progressive. Not stuck in their ways. I even think Gene Roddenberry would have liked it ( his wife seemed to think so ) and his take on it would mean alot more than yours. The fact that people still post on here infering that the majority out there didn't like the film is just stupid. ST eveolved into a new incarnation. It happened before with TNG. Get over it already!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    ...well, half my point was that debating the minutia of...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the latest STAR TREK movie is even less fun than debating the finer points of journalistic ethics.<P>I'm always surprised by people who rage against a movie but appear to have seen it at least five times and combed over every scene like a Talmud scholar on coke.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    For something that was supposed to be new...

    by Shermdawg

    ...Abrams and his script monkeys give us basically the same ending as the last four flicks. The formula needs to be changed up next time. And yes, the entire ice planet sequence was shit. Sylar needs to work on a Spock voice badly too. Also, they should've released a director's cut.

  • All a fan of this movie has to do to defend it is quote one line from Herc's review.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Oh for fucks sake...you don't have to Swallow too..

    by conspiracy

    Entertaining though it was...this was one of the worst written movies of the year...and the Comedy of JJ, Orci and Abrams could only appeal to someone who has never mentally matured past the age of 16.</p><p>Really guys...you are fucking amateur when it comes to shilling for someone you expect favors from in the future...you need to learn to be a little less obvious about it.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Oh..and I meant "JJ, Orci and Kurtzman"

    by conspiracy

    I need more coffee..

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Narada = Vorlon Planet Killer

    by MisterE

    I guess Nero got a killer deal on a used model after Sheridan told the Old Ones to get the hell out of his galaxy.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    DID ANYONE ELSE CATCH THE INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS REFEREN

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    The moment in the movie where it says "Three years later" and shows Nero's ship sailing past, there is a particular sound effect (strange muffled screaming) right out of Body Snachers 78 which is no coincidence as Ben Burtt was also the sound designer of that movie as he was on New Trek.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    HERE'S A LINK TO THE ST 2009 BLOOPER REEL.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPUN3bgi9R0

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    it took over a week to watch the extras?

    by Bouncy X

    there's maybe 2 or 3 hours worth, how the hell does it take a week to get through that? it should be done in one sitting, maybe too. i mean if you can spend 2hrs plus watching the movie, you can spend that watching the extras no? anyway this isn't a criticism or attack or whatever...i was just taken aback by that comment. lol i pre-ordered the steelbook for this movie along with Galaxy Quest, it'll be a star trekking week. :P

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    "it took over a week to watch the extras"<p> translation: Harry was waiting for the cheque from Paramount to clear.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Galaxy Quest is in bluray too?

    by ominus

    great !!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Season 3 sucks

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Too bad they don't issue No Man as a separate disk.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Carl's Hat is an @$$ hat & some ST logic for you hating fools

    by UGABugKiller

    This movie is EASILY the most entertaining film of the year not named Up.<br><br>All of you too cool for school Trek Nerds need to get the frak over it.<br><br>You retards are acting EXACTLY like the moron lovers of the original cheestastic Battlestar Galactica.<br><br>Just like them, you people must LOVE being wrong, huh? Everyone else in the world is an idiot except you people who REALLY know the truth about this film, right?<br><br>Well let me lay a little Star Trek Logic on your stupid asses:<br><br>The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or the one).<br><br>Guess what, morons? YOU'RE THE FEW!!!<br><br>The vast majority of everyone who has seen this awesome film, with it's awesome writing, it's awesome acting, and it's awesome directing, LOVE IT.<br><br>So by Star Trek logic... you're all a bunch of illogical idiots!!!<br><br>HAHAHAHA! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, losers!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    expert40 your arguments are leveling

    by ominus

    you should become a lawyer or a politician.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    expert40, IT WAS ENTERTAINING IN THE WAY A CANDY BAR....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Is satisying in the moment but doesn't offer any real nutritional value. None of us, at least I'm not, arguing that the movie wasn't fun but wouldn't you like just a little more to chew on? It's Sci-fi, unlimited possibilities and yet New Trek was nothing but a series of action scene's wrapped around Daddy and Mommy issues. Furthermore, you really do come off as a stupid cunt.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    FUCK orangepico12345 you worthless FUCK

    by Proman1984

    FUCK YOU, you bitch

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    i suspect the people .......

    by BendersShinyAss

    .... who say this film was badly written are either poor scriptwriters or the bombed out spent forgotten team that was Berman and Braga. <p> Trek was AWESOME. deal with it and we'll talk again next film

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    If JJ paid me $100

    by animas

    I would still not watch this terrible movie again.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    expert40,

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    You must learn to govern your passions; they will be your undoing.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I don't understand

    by laguna_loire

    I see people wailing about this movie being a sellout and AICN sold-out, but I loved it to bits!! Fine, it wasn't perfect, but it was infinitely better than Transformers 2 and Wolverine!! The only film of the summer I equally enjoyed was GI Joe (and no, I am not a plant!!).

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    ofc it was well written

    by ominus

    it was so well written that it needed at least 2 prequel comics to develop a bit Nero's character.for the rest of his character development, use your brain to hypothesize.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Brilliant Screenplay?

    by Coordinate_System

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    FUN! WATCHABLE!

    by Toilet_Terror

    DUMB AS SHIT!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I don’t get it for a different reason laguna_loire

    by 900LBGorilla

    Star Trek sucked- and I wanted to like it. <p> The story was downright horrible and the contrivances and humor of the lowest and lamest order. I didn’t think this movie was at all better than Transformers 2. This was the biggest letdown of last summer and the most over rated movie I can think of in recent times. <p> At least Transformers had decent action. Star Trek had nothing.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Re:ThinMan

    by UGABugKiller

    Better to be a cunt than to never have had any cunt, bitch.<br><br>See, the words you're typing, they ARE words, but they have little to no meaning. Now, if you were to write those words over on Massa's review of 2012, they'd actually make sense and be true.<br><br>But when you use those specific combination of words when applied to this film, then you might as well be speaking Sindarin instead of Vulcan. Savvy?<br><br>"Nothing but a series of action scene's(sic) wrapped around Daddy and Mommy issues."?<br><br>Really?<br><br>See, this is where you acting like an idiot GINO person comes in.<br><br>You pass over the over-riding arc and them of the film which is about fate in the face of reality.<br><br>There is so much that can be seen in this film if you bother to look.<br><br>The fairly new scientific theory of the Infinite Worlds Theory as applied to time travel. This theory completely obliterates the Grandfather Paradox, meaning you could actually kill your grandfather in the past and not be erased, because the simple fact of travelling into the past creates a different universe in which you are not a part of. So you could kill your grandfather. So even if Spock were to travel forward in time, he'd never be able to get back to HIS universe. He's stuck.<br><br>Getting back to the fate versus reality, the Romulans coming into the past changes everything and creates and new universe of different possibilities for characters we think we know. This movie sets up this idea. SETS IT UP, ThinMan. Much like Spider-Man, or Batman Begins, yes, much time is spent on the set up so we can understand the new rules for familiar characters and places.<br><br>THINK ABOUT IT!<br><br>Kirk joins Star Fleet at 22, not 18. Thus meeting Bones, and Uhura during THEIR time at the Academy and not later on. In the OSTU (original ST universe), Kirk was already graduated when they entered Star Fleet. This means he NEVER meets Gary Mitchell. Which means that Mitchell never becomes a God-like Mutant. Or will he? Will fate override reality?<br><br>You people who whine about Spock Prime and Kirk meeting and then meeting Scotty have no issues suspending your disbelief in the NUMEROUS more insane plot devices in EVERY Star Trek show and film, yet you refuse to do it here? How is THAT logical? Or is it you just want to hate it so much that you play hard and fast with your own rules?<br><br>The fact remains, them meeting Scotty at that time and place was once again, fate superseding the reality of this new universe. All of these people are MEANT to be together.<br><br>Also, we know that in the OSTU, the Enterprise is already 20-something years old when Kirk gets a hold of her when he's 30. Now, because of the super-advanced Romulans showing up from the future, it's obvious that Star Fleet held up their Constitution Class starship design team to create new and better tech for it and to make the ships BIGGER to combat what they think are far more advanced Romulans. This is why the new ship is not only over two times bigger (about the size of the Enterprise-D), but looks like an amalgamation of the TV show ship and the film ship.<br><br>There is so much subtly and texture to be seen in this film. Kirk realizing that if not for this alternate future Spock and those Romulans, he'd have had a much different, and probably better life. Adding the shocking destruction of Vulcan, which totally turns the whole Star Trek mythos on it's head.<br><br>Again, what you people are missing here is that this film is best version of Spider-Man and Batman Begins we've ever gotten.<br><br>It manages to do the set-up process, but in a much more entertaining way than those very good films ever did.<br><br>So just chill the fuck out.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    In my best Shatner voice...

    by hulkiest

    People, people, it wasn't the worst thing ever put on celluloid, nor was it much different from the last four TNG movies in terms of excitement or awe. I don't hate the film. I just think they wasted an opportunity to make a big- budget, original and epic sci-fi movie with our favorite space heroes. Does that make me a hater? The ones who get overly upset at criticism seem to be just as "fringe" as the ones crying that it ruined their lives. In a few years I think everyone will see that it was a slightly below average movie, about as good as Star Trek Generations, which as I said in another post had a really good opening title sequence and a sort of good scene in the beginning where Kirk saves the day . (J.J.'s film had a strong beginning too.) Then it became like a lower grade TV episode with Shatner guest- starring and of course humiliatingly falling off of a bridge. Felt the same way about JJ Trek and Nimoy. Where the movie's over and you're thinking, "They blew up Vulcan and screwed the timeline for that under-cooked plot and under-motivated villain?" What a waste...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Worst Part of Nu Trek: "You Guys Are Destined To Be Best Friends

    by Autodidact

    Christ it was so fucking stupid to have old Spock tell young Kirk that he needed to be best pals with young Spock.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    expert40 uses even more leveling arguments

    by ominus

    its true,bold fonts can eliminate even the most stict objection.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    keep your hand the fuck away from First Contact

    by ominus

    Imho even better than Wrath.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Come on, the writing is bubblegum pop at best...

    by SK229

    I agree 100% that it's a breezy, fun, well shot and acted piece of cinema. Not arguing there. But how can people who do like it NOT understand why Trek fans have tremendous problems with it? The argument of why it's good is exactly what they have a problem with, methinks. However, I say to those fans to reserve their judgement of the franchise's direction until you see the sequel. I understand that this is what the film HAD to be in order to make money right now and to get non-fans excited about Star Trek again. I'm not a Trek fan at all, I've only watched a handful of original episodes and seen maybe half of all the movies (including the TNG ones). I've enjoyed it here and there but definitely am not passionate about it. That said, having to reboot the cast, make a shit-ton of money to justify sequels, AND create a story line wherein it wouldn't fuck with 'canon' (hate that word), was a tall order. They pulled it off and now have a clean slate to go a lot harder on the sci-fi aspects instead of more bubblegum skiffy. The cast is great and the lighting/design of the movie were amazing, but I am hoping, along with the real fans, to get something a little more filling the next go round. That will prove whether or not J.J. is just some flash-in-the-pan zeitgeist loving douche or a person who can tell stories without a 'use by' date. But to the hardcore Trekkies, you GOTTA give the sequel a chance because this is what HAD to be done to satisfy the demands of resurrecting Trek. If the sequel is more Star Wars, less Trek, then you have a real argument.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    The movie was candy.

    by Ingeld

    Fun and enjoyable to eat, but lacking the substance, value and complexity of a satisfying and memorable meal. Of course, a lot of people love candy for precisely that, and that is all they want or expect. But it if this is all that Star Trek aspires to now then the franchise will continue to erode the fan base who fell in love with ST because it was substantial and sustaining. Those who love the movie are enjoying their candy, while those who don't can't help but compare it to more satisfying meals of the past.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    RE: Export 40

    by Ingeld

    Can you tell me how destroying the Romulan sun before it explodes will actually save Romulus. If you can answer that question, it will remove for me the largest plot "black" hole of the movie.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Come On

    by puto tenax

    Herc, I really appreciate your review. That said, it wasn't a perfect movie but believe the franchise is now in better hands than Berman and Braga. You know Paramount will eventually do another tv series and having Abrams there with Star Trek will be better in the long run. Time to take element of canon where it'll stay fresh or you'll end up painting yourself in a corner like the Enterprise series.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Once again

    by rogueleader66

    We are stuck in a pointless discussion. The haters hate and won't change their minds. The ones who liked it still like it and won't change their minds. Funny how lens flares seems so prominent in a lot of these discussions. Lens flares? Really? That's what you think makes this movie suck? I know from all the other tb's that there are many more reason's why the haters think it sucks, but everyone always mentions the fucking lens flares. Grow up and give real reasons and drop the fucking lens flare bullshit, because it's a weak ass complaint.<P>Regardless, the fact remains, these discussions are totally and utterly pointless. Yet somehow we always engage in them. There is nothing said in this or any other ST tb that has not been said a million fucking times already.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    And btw...

    by SK229

    thinking about some of the slapstick and buffoonery of the characters DID make me kind of angry afterwards, and I'm not even a big Trek fan. But I shrugged off stuff like the swollen hands as the kind of ridiculous things that happen as a result of the universe trying to get the timeline back on track. Now that it is, we don't need any more of that.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Spacesheik spock explains it as FASCINATING

    by shogunshin

    when Spock and Kirk meet Scotty on that planet the first thing he says is 'fascinating' which basically meant he realized FATE was bringing them all together. it was one of my favorite things from the film, that no matter what timeline they were in, the Enterprise crew would be working together because they were meant to. at least that is how i interpreted it.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    FC better than TWOK?

    by rogueleader66

    LOL on what plane of reality? FC was good, in fact the best of the next gen films, but better than TWOK? Hardly. I've said it before and I will say it again, Frakes is NOT a good actor, and in an important role like his, it bring things down. A lot.

  • What I didnt understand was the total lack of Earth based security forces. The ship had no shields, where was the 10000 troops beaming aboard! The enterprise beamed a handful aboard, yet there was not anyone on earth that could have been sent up on it to take it out.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    SHAKEY CAM is miserable.

    by shogunshin

    damn i hope by some miracle abrahms gets the message that shakey cam is a cop out. we are there to SEE a movie, not a blurry mess of quick cuts. during a dramatic scene shakey cam is not so bad, if you want to 'increase' action. but in an action scene, your ACTION should be just that, and enough so that you do not need to add further 'action' to said scene. if you cannot create a good action scene without having to add shakey cam, then do something else. you did not see Gene Kelly shaking the camera when he was dancing, or Bruce Lee shaking the cam when he was beating some dudes down. the classics are all shot WIDE, so the audience can expirience the action in all its splendor. jj abrahms 'hides' his action inside blurry shakey cam, because deep down inside, you can tell, he has FEARS his action is not solid enough. just pull back, and let the action speak for itself. i loved this movie, but the shakey cam sent it from an A to a B-.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    SK229 you know you are right,we must

    by ominus

    indeed give a chance to this new franchise.i understand why the first movie should be more about mindless entertainment and less about substance and characterization,they need that commercial success in order to jumpstart their franchise and take it to the direction they dream of. <p>on the exact same basis,i was defending the first Transformers movie,i defended Spielbergs and Bays choices for the first installation of the newborn franchise,i was sure that what they were doing was necessary and justified in order to get their b.o.,jumpstart the franchise and get the sequel which would be more about the robots,more about their characterts and less about mindless fun. <p>but as it turned out,i was fucking wrong.The greedy bastards revealed to care more about the green dollars,and less about the 'art' of the franchise.(where art put content,characters,story focused on the bots,their civil war,social messages etc etc) <p>and thats what i am afraid that is going to be this rebooted franchise.just a good mindless entertainment machines to milk the average audience and the less hardcore fans.i dont believe that JJ and Orci are going to give a fuck about what ST is truly about in the next sequel movie.they dont care.thats why i am not overreacting when i say that expect Khan to be represented in the movie as a cool character to sell toys,than what he truly was.they are going to bastardize him too. <p>at the end i hope i am wrong,that JJ does care to give a ST which will be accepted universally by the HC fans as a true and great ST movie,but the chances about that are mildly. <p>and dont forget Orci and Kutzman are fucking mediocre writers.they are good for Xena and Hercules episodes but not for ST.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I just can't get past that terrible cover art.

    by Triple_J_72

    I mean... seriously... WTF?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    shogunshin

    by Tiberius_Prime

    When is the Shaky Cam actually a detractor in Trek? I can't remember it bothering me anywhere... except maybe with that first creature on Delta Vega, never really got a good look at that fucker.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66 u give a fuck about Frakes?

    by ominus

    and u totally ignore Patrick fucking Stewart? now u will tell me,that he is a worse actor than Shatner...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I hope they paid you well for this huge fucking ad.

    by RobinP

    ...and bleating a weak defence about how sites like Rotten Tomatoes agree with your adoration doesn't exactly recover your credibility, much less your dignity, either.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Had to laugh at the headline of Herc's piece.

    by Orbots Commander

    "Hercules Runs Down What To Expect On That Fabulous New Blu-ray Set Due Out Tuesday!!" <p> Um, I don't know, possibly the same film we saw in theaters earlier this year?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    re:Ingeld

    by UGABugKiller

    Spock wasn't destroying the Romulan sun.<br><br>A star that was NOT the Romulan sun went Supernova somewhere across the galaxy. The shock wave from this supernova was head towards Romulus.<br><br>This is actually something that actually happens in science. When a star goes supernova or turns into a black hole, it is basically squeezed into a flat disc. Now, if it goes black hole, it collapses in on itself. If it goes supernova, all of that hyper-pressurized gamma radiation energy gets blown out at what were the poles of the star, and sent across the cosmos in two different directions<br><br>This is no shit science. I saw this on HistoryHD in The Universe series in the ep about world enders. We can actually see a supernova in space where this has happened.<br><br>Anyway, in an unfortunate coincidence of stellar geography, Romulus was in line to receive this full blast of gamma radiation from one of the two blasts. So Spock was going to use the macguffin of the film, the "red matter" to create a stable black hole just long enough that would swallow all of this energy and then collapse on itself and save Romulus. But he failed to employ it in time.<br><br>So, that is the actual, true science behind it, and if you'd actually listened during the mind-meld sequence, you'd have a better understanding of what was going on.<br><br>Again, I submit that so many of you were predisposed to hate this film no matter what, even to the point of lying to yourselves, saying you wanted to like it, that you looked for ANYTHING in the film to hate.<br><br>Your actions are illogical and frakking stupid.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Heath Ledger influenced Star Trek?

    by Statham_Wastes_Em

    How the fuck did Heath Ledger influence how Eric Bana played Nero? What similarities do the two characters have besides being bad guys?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Liked the first one, really don't like the second one, and seriously the biggest detractor there is Bay, somebody grab the Delorean and go grab 80's Spielberg, he's the man for the job! He could have taken the exact same script and given us a master piece!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    And yeah, STAR TREK is not a perfect movie

    by Orbots Commander

    and not as good as Wrath of Khan. That said, I enjoyed the movie a lot, despite its airhead screenplay. The reason is solely due to the chemistry and the character dynamics of the actors. As an audience member, I just simply *liked* this crew, their interplay and the humor, and wanted to watch another ST adventure with these same guys. <p> Would it have been a much better movie with a smarter script? Undoubtedly, but that's neither here nor there. It is what it is.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    And yeah, STAR TREK is not a perfect movie

    by Orbots Commander

    and not as good as Wrath of Khan. That said, I enjoyed the movie a lot, despite its airhead screenplay. The reason is solely due to the chemistry and the character dynamics of the actors. As an audience member, I just simply *liked* this crew, their interplay and the humor, and wanted to watch another ST adventure with these same guys. <p> Would it have been a much better movie with a smarter script? Undoubtedly, but that's neither here nor there. It is what it is.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    I could never get thru one of the original trek movies...

    by jaysin420

    I just thought they looked ridiculous, much worse than the SW originals. But I enjoyed this movie, it wasn't amazing but it was very good and I'm excited about the next.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    expert40,

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    logic dictates that since Transformers 2 made more money than it is a better movie. The paying people have spoken.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Ack! Double post.

    by Orbots Commander

    Stupid cut-in-and-out wifi connection...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Just let Bay to make one of the ST sequels

    by ominus

    since you dont have any problem with mindless fun.well?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    BURN NOTICE

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Except, Fucktard, that people pay before they see the fucking movie.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    re:BurnedNotice_Dude

    by UGABugKiller

    Ahh, but in committing yourself to this line of reasoning, you must take in account ALL variables, as I have done with my Star Trek reasoning.<br><br>You have not done this. Therefore your reasoning is flawed, just like all of those who hate this film simply because they want to hate it because it's not exactly like the original series (which is the point).<br><br>What you don't consider in your reasoning is critical reaction.<br><br>Not only did Star Trek make a ton of money, as Trans2 did, but it is one of the most critically acclaimed films of the year for many different reasons who people who hate this film for no good reason decry with no proof (like STORY, like DIRECTION, etc).<br><br>Sorry... your logic and reasoning is flawed if you're trying to latch on to my reasoning.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Getting paid to put out Fan Fic

    by NippleEffect

    best jb in any "verse

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    If anything seeing ST in Imax was

    by Orbots Commander

    ... a detriment. <p> It was too fast cut for such a large format presentation. Imax movies, due to the overwhelming sensory experience need longer takes and a steady camera. <p> Also, we all in the theater got to see that maybe Chris Pine needs to see a dermatologist...bad skin like the kind I had years and years ago back in high school.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    First Contact

    by hulkiest

    Ominus, I think First Contact started strong with Goldsmith's score and it had a cold, steely look, but I could go on all day pointing out all the irritating T.V.isms that threw me out of the film. So I’ll just point out the worst offenders: It all boils down to one shot. At one point, the Borg are taking over the Enterprise and they’re wearing these rubber costumes. Forgivable on the TV show maybe, but on the big screen, when I saw the close up of the wonky rubber boot hitting the floor of the Enterprise and the sound effect goes “clang! clang!”, I threw up my hands and gave up at the TV thinking behind it all. (For the movie, couldn’t the Borg be in like hard plastic sorta C3-P0 costumes, like? So, you know, they looked like robots and not fruitcakes at a convention?) To say nothing of the Earth plot. "Uh Gee, says Ryker, "We can't make contact with our ship. I wonder why?" Kind of a major problem, no? And finally, Picard and the Borg Queen have it out and Picard’s saying, “Yes, I remember you! You tried to mate with me! YES! YES! It all comes back now!!!” Well, that’s funny, I saw Best of Both Worlds and I distinctly do NOT remember Picard having any interaction with the Borg Queen. So, since she was a new idea and they were revising history, how about spending a little money and showing a flashback because when a character describes a major event in a movie with lines of dialogue, it feels like a play. And I don’t like watching plays much, especially in a movie theater. And there’s poor, stranded Alice Krige having to suddenly play rejected by Picard and angry at him for SPURNING HER! (”HEAVENS TO MURGATROID!!”) Well, sorry, it doesn’t work. I never witnessed her desire for him, so I don’t buy at all that she feels rejected by him. And why’s she getting mad in the first place, she’s a bleepin’ borg? I think it finishes in a rather pathetic way and inexplicably the fans gush over it. Generations had more to say, I thought. FC even rehashes the Ahab stuff from Khan. Again, I think because it seemed new and shiny it seems like a better story than it is.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Is it true "The SHAT" still hasn't seen this movie?

    by Triple_J_72

    He did say that at the Scream awards, when HE accepted the award for "Trek"

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    You guys are irrelevant

    by Tolkoto

    I think that AICN talkbackers are the only group of people who overwhelmingly hated this movie. The fact that it was reviewed well and made money seems to only increase your rage. Seriously, if you guys hate this movie so much, and you know that pretty much everyone on this site (the writers) liked it, why even bother getting upset? Be sure to keep on hating anything with special effects, or something that dares to play around with your nostalgia some more.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Herc, for the love of god and all that is holy..

    by jonastheangel

    PLEASE DON'T TYPE THE WORD LEARN EVER AGAIN!!! LOL. Seriously, don't ever start a sentence with "Learn ..." ever again please I'm begging you. Don't think you used it too much? You started 66 sentences with "Learn". A couple of spots you had a paragraph where EVERY sentence started with learn. I love how indepth your article was, it does get me pumped for the blu-ray.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    hulkiest

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Imagine what the Borg could look like in this new franchise! They would be fucking awesome (I'm holding out hope that one day they will show up in the Abramsverse perhaps attracted to our neck of the woods early because of rampant 24th century tech in the 23rd Century.)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Tolkoto,

    by Orbots Commander

    I think guys like me, in my age group, gen-Xers in their 30's, need to deal with the fact that most movies, those of the summer-popcorn-special-effects variety, aren't made with us in mind anymore. They were, at some point during the 90's, when we were just out of high school or college, but those days are gone. <p> Studios and filmmakers now target the teenage kid next door who listens to music we don't care for.....Ack! we got old. <p> Now, there is usually more adult, sophisticated fare offered during the Fall and holiday season, but for the most part, aside from genuine all-audience-inclusive films like The Dark Knight and Iron Man, summer's for the kids.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Such A Waste

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    I scroll through and read most of these posts and there's not one rant from Asimovlives whining about Jar Jar Abrams...disappointing

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    borg queen and picard

    by Bouncy X

    while its not a whole explanation scene we do see a shot of the queen next to picard as he's being assimilated, wearing his TNG uniform and all. so they did set up the fact he knew her before the movie started. sure its still revising in the sense that it was made for that particular movie but they do establish the connection however brief.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    (Smacks forehead) You had to go and say it.

    by Orbots Commander

    Raskolnikov_was_framed, you couldn't resist? Saying, you know who's name is just like repeating "Beatlejuice" three times, and out he'll come with the 'Dawson's Trek' and 'Jar Jar Abrams' diatribes. <p>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Rage

    by Toonol

    Frothing at the mouth, impotent rage. The fact that the haters are clearly in a minority, both on the site and in the world in general, make them even more vociferous (and irrational) in their complaints.<p> I think the movie had some serious flaws, but in whole was FAR better than most preceding Star Trek movies.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    personally, I can't wait for Grunberg to show up as Kahn...

    by UGABugKiller

    ... with big, fake, plastic pectorals.<br><br>And Keri Russell has to be Carol Marcus, right?<br><br>Don't forget Dom Monaghan as Scotty's annoying cousin, Scooty.<br><br>And the kicker would be Terry O'Quinn as Sybok, Spock's wacky older brother who believes in the human God, which humans don't even believe in anymore.<br><br>Yep, that's what I can't wait for.<br><br>The biggest problem with you STINO dorks is that like the GINO dorks, you take yourself way too seriously and blind yourself to some really good stuff all in the name of hate.<br><br>"Through Hell's Heart, I stab at thee!" indeed!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Tiberius, sorry to be a downer

    by hulkiest

    But I say leave the Borg in the Picard era. It's like suddenly having Khan being Ryker's arch foe. Here's what I'm holding out hope for: a movie about exploring strange, new worlds and seeking out new life forms and civilizations not simply repeating themselves endlessly. The 60's episode This Side of Paradise was a pretty decent allegory about communes and drugs; is there nothing to mine about our current state of existence where people attack each other mercilessly and anonymously instead of actually talking about the merits or lack thereof of ideas in politics and society? Where people mask their hatred on the surface in the outside world, but log onto a website and its anything goes, racism, sexism, rape fantasies etc etc. (Actually, they sort of covered that with Return of The Archons, but that was more about religion) I'm sure BobOrci could reference a million ways in which he has been verbally assaulted. Bob, if you're reading and need an idea, use your pain to write. As Kirk says, "I! Need! My! Pain!"

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    hulkiest i dont want to defend FC since the

    by ominus

    main topic is not about that movie.But i will give it a shot: <p>1.i dont remember the scene where the rubber suit sounds makes metalic noise.in fact i had the impression that the suits were meant to be rubber.but anyway i cant comment on that,since i dont remember the scene. <p>2.whats the problem with Rykers reaction? what did u expect to do? to beam up in the Enterprise? did they bring remote transporters with them,and i didnt notice them? no. besides Ryker was ordered by Picard to lead the Earth mission,which they all knew it was the most important mission in their career,the saving of humankinds future.even if he could transport on board the enterprise,he would go alone and leave the rest of the team on Earth. <p>3.what the fuck are you talking about?!?! there was a flashback in that scene,which showed the queen with picard in the TNG episode.what the fuck,did u forget it? and remember that there was a similar plot hole in Wrath,when Khans remembers Chekov despite the fact that they never met in the TOS episode.but thats a trivial plot hole,who gives a fuck about it? <p>I am sorry but i dont remember the Queen feeling rejected by Picard.they were not even a couple,they just needed to assimilate Picards mind to their collective.And the Queen was the voice of the collective,nothing less or more than that. <p>the only scene i remember she expressed emotion,was when Data betrayed her,and that because he fucked up the Borg's plans,and not for a petty love affair/ <p>jesus h christ man,have you even watched the movie,or just saw the trailer and you imagined the rest of the things? jesus.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    hmmm

    by slkboxrman

    i thing ZARGOTRON never watched any of the original movies...cuz the orbital skydiving was also another homage to kirk...there was an orbital skydiving scene cut from star trek 5, youtube it.....but the movie was spot on, characters, dialogue, homages...some of us liked it, a minority hated it..i dont see why there has to be fighting over the movie....it made a ton of money, theyre making another...get on board or get yourself launched off this board(ship)and land on another talkback(ice planet) leave us alone...lol

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    RE:Expert 40

    by Ingeld

    Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I still, however, think the movie was more eye candy than anything, and I certainly wasn't predisposed to disliking it.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    and hulkiest Wrath did have its own problems

    by ominus

    but anyway,thats not the point.The point is that this new Star Trek movie is a pile of shit,and i have a little confidence that the sequel will be better.i hope i am wrong,but time will tell.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    slkboxrman u dont remember correctly

    by ominus

    Kirk was climbing a mountain,but he slipped and started falling from there,but Spock managed to save him since he was flying with his antigravity boots.BUT there is a huge error in that scene,as the laws of physics are concerned.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    If Michael Bay comes anywhere NEAR Star Trek...

    by Zardoz

    I will kill him, his family, and everyone on this talkback! Fuck Bay! In EVERY orifice in his body! (and some new ones, too!)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X

    by hulkiest

    So that millisecond glimpse of the Borg Queen was supposed to explain how a logical, planet devouring conqueror suddenly fell in love with a guy who looked pretty much like everybody else whose worlds she destroyed? Hmmm... I'm sorry I'm going to hold onto my opinion that the climax was flimsy. In fact, speaking of flimsy, Picard breaks her spine in two with very little effort. If the Borg are that weak, why did they worry about phasers? Plain old fists and feet would work. (I know, I know, they have force fields) Still, some real cheapo TV stuff made it onto that film.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Ominus and the like are right, and everyone else is wrong...

    by UGABugKiller

    ... douche bag STINO people just can't ever let it go and admit they're wrong.<br><br>JUST like the GINO people and the irrational Star Wars fans who, to this day, defend the piece of shit critical disasters known as the first two films of the prequel trilogy.<br><br>Why are sci fi people stubborn as frakking mules?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    she didnt fall in love ffs

    by ominus

    really that geekish wet dreams of cyborg women fucking helpless men,should come to a stop someday.and the geeks wonder why they get laaughed at...jesus.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    expert40 we will just wait for the sequel

    by ominus

    as someone above correctly said: the sequel will determine if JJ and his buddies was the right stuff for the revival of ST.if ST2 is going to be a lot better than this shit,i will be the first to applaud JJ.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm

    by rogueleader66

    I never mentioned Stewart because anyone in their right mind knows that he is and always has been a wonderful actor therefore there is no need to say that it's a given. The actors of TOS act they way they should. Shatner is melodramatic but always has been, he is still James T Kirk and acts exactly how Kirk should. Frakes is surrounded by very good to good actors, therefore his bad acting just brings everything else down. Say what you want about the TOS actors, they are all consistent and believable. Frakes is not. <P>hulkiest-good point.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Expert 40 you miss it completely

    by 900LBGorilla

    Very few of these posters have complained about this movie’s lack of adherence to “cannon” making your INO arguments completely moot. What they complain about is that it was a crap movie due to a horrid script, massive plot holes, amateurish contrivances, and lame Lucas-like humor. <p> Also do yourself a favor and never again compare New Trek and New Galactica even indirectly through the complaints of their critics. New Galactica (at least for the Mini and 1st year and ½ of the show) was deep, brilliant, and well written- and thus the only criticisms were basically “its too dark“, “its not like original Galactica“, or “IWWWW, Star Buck is a chick” instead of being bashed for the actual quality of the product. <p> New Trek is not even CLOSE to have the luxury of being immune to quality arguments and reducing critics to “INO” arguments. New Trek is Transformers 2 in space without the good action and with more poorly written humor and turning points.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by hulkiest

    No, I don't want to argue it either. I was just trying to make a point that it's not all that and deserves to be lumped in with the rest of the underwhelming TNG feature film fare. But, like all of us masochistic self-loathing Trekkies, I own FC, watched the film many times and have laughed at the scene where Picard explains ala TMP's V'ger that the Queen wanted to bond with him for the human factor when he was Locutus. Ryker's reaction wasn't exactly what one would expect from an away team. It's kind of an easy problem to fix, actually, how about a scene where Picard's last transmission to the team is that the Enterprise is under attack by the Borg, hence raising the stakes and having Ryker desperate for the Phoenix flight so he can get to the Enterprise. (No, I haven't figured out a way for him to beam aboard. But He's got Geordi with him, they'd figure it out) Just saying there was a distinct lack of urgency to their whole mission. And then they just figure out how the Borg got there and Presto! Away they go back to the future. Finally, I got the impression that the Borg were supposed to be made of metal parts and whatnot that they grew organically once infected. The rubber suits don't make any sense really since where the heck does it come from? Some Officers are in the suits, some aren't. Is it from the skin? You know how the Klingons looked better in TMP? One would think that they'd rethink the look for the movie. And watch the movie and look for the CU of the wonky rubber boot making the clang! It's funny. Though it could be the clang coming from Joel Goldsmith's portion of the score. I think he wrote the majority of the Borg music.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    expert40, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE, WHAT I SEE IS......

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    The writers with a checklist that reads: Star Wars/Top Gun/Good Will Hunting/Wrath of Khan/Voyage Home/Ordinary People. Your preposition that the theme of the movie was “fate in the face of reality” is laughable and what you are doing is defending how the writers bent over backwards to get the original characters into the positions they held on the original show while, at the same time, using the “alternate reality” angle to appease the Wrath of Nerds over whether New Trek is “cannon” or not. It would have taken more balls just to say “FUCK YOU” and re-launch a new series of films but Abrams wanted it both ways.<br> <br>Then there is the fact that they swiped everything that wasn’t nailed down and shoved it into their movie when you consider that a Star Trek prequel series about Kirk and Co. in Starfleet Academy has been propositioned since the late 80’s if not sooner. That’s not even including the involvement of Captain Pike who (of course) has to end up in a wheelchair, The Kobayashi Maru where Kirk is eating an apple because that’s what he did when he was talking about it in Star Trek 2. Oh and the orbital drop idea was lifted from a cut scene from Star Trek Generations.<br> <br>The whole movie had nothing but lazy writing from those two wankers who must have pictures of Abrams getting fucked by an uncircumcised pig for him to keep working with them. But go ahead and justify everything they did. I don’t care because I actually did like the movie but want a better sequel where they come up with some new ideas, concepts or themes that we haven’t seen in a Star Trek movie.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    expert40

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the mind-meld sequence show Romulus being physically destroyed by a gaseous-like shock wave? I'll have to go back to to the DVD to verify, but that's what it looked like to me. In supernova detonation, physical shockwaves are generated, but they don't threaten anybody over interstellar distances. They don't travel at the speed of light, and they loose their "oomph" as they spread out. In other words, nobody's afraid of the Crab Nebula.</P> <P>As for the Gamma Jets, those are bad news to anybody caught in them. But they move at the speed of light. Which is not a limitation shared by a star-spanning, FTL culture. It should not have caught them by surprise. Furthermore, in order to physically destroy a planet (as was depicted, and as opposed to merely baking its surface) that is approximately earth-sized, the Gammas would have to deliver an amount of energy equivalent to about 2 weeks worth of energy output from our own Sun (I read that somewhere else, I have not checked the math). Not impossible, but that's a lot of coincidences.</P>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Not impossible, but that's a lot of coincidences.

    by Coordinate_System

    That last line should have been "Yet another coincidence in a movie replete with them."

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    So...

    by doubleARon

    Let's see, there's a few people who didn't like this movie. I'm sorry you wasted your money and are full of hate and I'm sorry you feel the need to carry on whining like a child until someone acknowledges your opinion.<p> Fine, I acknowledge you have an opinion that is different. Please leave us fans to discuss an article that is obviously geared at people who are interested in the special features of the home releases. Or, I guess you could just whine away like a silly toothless troll.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    but Frakes was not in any kind of important

    by ominus

    scenes in FC,so he didnt have time to ruin them.In reality he was the man who directed these scenes,and they were great scenes,so he must take credit for this. <p>btw you do understand that we are talking about FC,an individual movie,and not comparing the two series in their whole?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    I think the people hating new trek

    by BendersShinyAss

    actually loved it... it's in your own words... seriously.... if you HATED it there would be reasons given

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    There were so many things I disliked....

    by Cervantes

    ....about J.J.'s 'creative choices' on this thing, that I'd be here for a lightyear if I was to go into them point by point.<P>So I'll just simply say that MOST things from the 'alternative timeline' storyline, to most of the casting choices, to the fugly new 'Enterprise' and it's 'Budweiser factory' engine-room....were NOT what I'd hoped to see in this 'TOS' reboot.<P>Time to reboot J.J. and his writers as far as I'm concerned!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    one more thing ominus

    by hulkiest

    Well aware that Khan has holes and flaws. When I saw it as a pre-teen, I thought it had a boring first half then pulled itself out of its rut at the midway point. Over time, as I learned more about Trek and watched all the episodes it grew in stature and importance as one of the best Trek stories. It did a lot to define James Kirk. But yes, compared to Blade Runner and Empire Strikes back it's not epic, mind-blowing sci-fi movie. I've said it before on other talkbacks Star Trek features all have crap and all have good stuff. JJ's Trek continues this legacy of not really knocking it out of the park.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    I can talk about the two series

    by rogueleader66

    Since you made it a point to mention Shatner's acting. You can spin it any way you like, the point is Frakes is a bad actor. Period. His mere presence brings down the movie. I am not disputing any of his other skills, the face remains he is one of the weakest actors to be in Trek. Far worse than anyone in TOS. Keep in mind that I liked FC very much, so I am not even saying it is a bad movie, just Frakes is a bad actor and i'm sorry if that makes the movie less good to me, but it does.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    CANNOT FUCKING WAIT!

    by Browncoat_Jedi

    This movie was excellent, and it went over the heads of so many nerds. Amazing accomplishment.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    hulkiest i cant agree with you

    by ominus

    and i have already given my explanation for your points,and i dont want to start writing about Wraths flaws,so lets leave it there.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Hercules can smell the pancakes Abrams had for breakfast

    by Professor_Monster

    Seriously - this list of positive points is ridiculous. The movie was and is terrible - it made so much money for the same reason Transformers did - Effects come before actors and story now days. Your little write up is full of stupid things like "Aabrams sister thought... Cameron Crowe was surprised... Speilberg ate sandwiches" Do any of these things make for a better film? No. JJ runs the universe now - but how long will that last? I'll tell you one thing - there's no way it was continue as long as the original did - this is a fleeting affair, something for him to while away the time and cash checks - no vision, no ambition, -- it's a pair of pants from Walmart and nothing more. People buy them, as the more they wash them the more they can see the material is poor. I hate it when this site decides on favor - or flies the flag for a movie that anyone with sense or taste was put together by way of someone else's legos- but no instructions.I truly hope the day will come that some here will go from fanboy to reviewer and not give bad marks simply because you didn't get a screener or they didn't have you visit the set.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    at the end of the day,who gives a fuck about

    by ominus

    JJs star trek.in 35 days James Cameron is going to own everything and everyone,especially these hack directors like JJ and bay,with his Avatar movie.so fuck them.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Star Trek XI "Hate"

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>If you like it, that's your own look out. I have no problem with the existence of dumb movies. I like some of them, myself. But I'm not going to kid myself that they possess some sort of innate quality in order to justify liking something that is dumb.</P> <P>As for this movie, there are many claims about its quality. Frankly, I just don't see it. Far too many flaws.</P> <P>My extreme disappointment over this movie (which some call "hate"; do you understand what real hate is like?), stems from the great affinity that I have for Star Trek in general. I've been a fan since before many of you were twinkles in father's eye, and I see no reason to abandon it to sink in the sea of mediocrity that it often (including now) finds itself in.</P> <P>Besides, my opinion's at least as valid as yours.</P>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Exactly, Professor_Monster.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Good post.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    science in movie based on real science...

    by UGABugKiller

    ... okay, you're right, it's "based" on real science.<br><br>Which is more than you can say about any other of the Star Trek shows or films (slingshot around the sun and you're in time warp!)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I Love First Contact Despite The Stupid Borg Queen

    by Autodidact

    I hate how Hollywood always has to dumb things down with shit like giving the borg a relatable figurehead. The faceless, unknowable hive mind of the borg was the best thing about them... they were like a force of nature. <p>First Contact is not perfect but it's highly watchable and a lot more moving than most of the other Trek movies... when Picard loses his shit and then gives a short, harrowed monologue before changing his orders...greatest moment in Star Trek if you ask me. <p>I got First Contact on blu-ray. Now THAT is a disc worth owning. I'll take that style of effects too, where most of the ship shots were still motion control models.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    expert40

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>I agree, even in Trek that I like, I frequently roll my eyes over the "science". The producers TNG, etc. clearly had a subscription the Subatomic Particle of the Month club, and were not afraid to use it.</P> :-)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    science in comics is more laughable

    by ominus

    since comics have a habit to take or not, into consideration the already established rules of physics in their their universe.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Well said, Coordinate_System

    by hulkiest

    Yes, it's strange that this idea with so much promise of adventure that Roddenberry had, an idea that's made Paramount BILLIONS is never given either the proper budget or respect it deserves. I still find it astounding that they'd let Shatner embarrass himself so badly with Star Trek V. No one said, "Well, at least let's fix the substandard effects. This is our flagship franchise after all" Conversely no one said to JJ: "Uh, the villain can travel through time, there's no story here. If we're gonna spend 150 million we need a great story!!"

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    The Borh Queen was cool

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Besides, it's really hard to have a faceless villain. Who wants to watch a bunch of robots clunk around for 2 hours?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Went in with no expectations

    by Kammich

    I went into this movie with no expectations... literally, none. I've never seen anything Star Trek-related in my life. I've never seen anything from Abrams, sans some stuff he produced. And it came out in early May(I think?), so I didn't have high-summer-blockbuster-expectations, either. And honestly, I liked it a lot. The script got me to understand and like the characters(or, at least, the way this "reboot" represents the characters), and I thought it was well paced with some great action pieces. If I were a die hard fan of the Star Trek franchise I'm sure I'd feel different, but alas... I'm not, and I can't wait for the sequel.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Sorry Herc, no sale

    by JT Kirk

    Worst sales pitch ever. <p>Learn why Herc sucks. Learn why it took Herc 8 days to acquaint himself with all this shit. Learn why Herc is a big suckup to this dogshit of a script. Learn why Herc has no taste.<p>Now that's how you do a talkback.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And most of the ships in FC were CG. The Borg Battle was all CG. There was a model of the Enterprise, but most of the time, the ship was CG.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    re:900lbGorilla

    by UGABugKiller

    I'm sorry man, but you're really wrong here.<br><br>I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong, because it's your opinion, and it's right for you.<br><br>I can, however, call your opinion irrational and illogical, which it is.<br><br>All of you STINO people bitching about "story" and just so full of crap.<br><br>The story and the writing were outstanding and emotionally affecting. So much more than the crap of, say, 3 out of 4 of the NG films which were so thin they were transparent, and lacking in any kind of emotional connection.<br><br>Again, 95% of over 100 critics are wrong, and YOU STINO people are right.<br><br>This is why I trust RottenTomatoes. It's an aggregate. So idiots like Armond White are displaced by the majority.<br><br>If the story in this film were as flimsy as you irrationally complain, then it would have, like Trans2, been critically PANNED.<br><br>Instead, it is critically PRAISED.<br><br>For STORY. For ACTING. For DIRECTION.<br><br>For EVERYTHING that you people complain about.<br><br>But again, all of you people aren't irrational. You aren't illogical. You're right, and the rest of us and hundreds of critics are wrong.<br><br>The fact that this is the second-best reviewed film of the year is wrong.<br><br>Just admit the fact that you people WANTED to find things to hate about this film that you have created reasons to hate it where they don't exist. By all means, still hate the film, it's your right. But at least be HONEST about WHY you hate the film.<br><br>The ONLY thing transparent about you STINO people is your hate.<br><br>And again, I CAN compare RDM Galactica to JJ Trek. I have critical acclaim for both standing in my corner. in this way they are very comparable. Taking something stale, old, and cheesy, and making it great and relevant again.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    hulkiest ST5 was about Rodenberys vision

    by ominus

    but unfortunately Shatner fucked it up with the execution.and u know what? even that movie had a wonderful scene,when they face their personal fears and Kirk denies to do that because he believes fears are part of what we are.And me thinks,that we are not going to get such a dramatic and philosophical scene in any of JJs ST movies.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg the explosion of the Borg Cube

    by ominus

    was a miniature and not CGI.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    even after my last post

    by BendersShinyAss

    people hating but not giving reasons. the closest was saying "i would but there's too many things i hate'.....<p> seriously, i want to know what people hate. dont just say it had a bad script or it was made for the masses - who the fuck do you think you are? I want to know why this film is BAD? <p>and to you coordinate system, I too have been a trek fan since before prob most of these talkbackers were in their fathers balls.... and i thought this film was WONDERFUL... whats your excuse, besides being unable to let go of the past?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I agree with everyone here.

    by JacksBloatedPayroll

    And Someone else should have read the final coda. Top much Nimoy love, IMO. Shatner, or even Pine would have fit better.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    The Defiant etc. were not CG and numerous ships from TNG were us

    by Autodidact

    .. as far as I know, without looking it up.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    From Memory Alpha RE: First Contact Effects

    by Autodidact

    "As described by visual effects supervisor John Knoll, time allotted for post production visual effects and model building resulted in a "brutal effort". Not only did ILM's team have to construct the Enterprise-E, large models representing the Borg sphere, the new Borg cube, and the Phoenix were also required. The Millennium Falcon appears below an Akira-class starship <p> Even more so than the previous film, the First Contact visual effects team also utilized computer-generated imagery, lending itself to sequences that required large numbers of starships. To stand up to the Borg cube alongside the new Enterprise and the old Defiant, ILM art director Alex Jaeger designed sixteen new Starfleet vessels, four of them rendered digitally and appearing in the massive opening battle sequence. " <p> Looks to me like more of the ships were physical models, and any shot with the borg cube included a physical model.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure the newer ships were CG models

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The Borg Cube, Enterprise, and Defiant were models, but the rest was CG.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    hulkiest

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>I hear ya. For myself, Star Trek has been a hit or miss affair. This may be acceptable in a TV series ("one must shift much sand to find the occasional nugget. but the nugget is the reward"), but it is less so for a series of movies. One has much less room to maneuver, or make mistakes.</P> <P>That being said, this movie is commercially successful, and we are probably stuck with this neo-Trek. I don't like it, and I fear that its popularity is a reflection of the state of Culture these days, but its what the market wants, unfortunately.</P>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    The Borg Could Still Have Gone After Data

    by Autodidact

    ... just make it more silent and menacing in going about it. Like, maybe the Borg just want Data's advanced neural net capabilities, and they don't want his android cock. Have some Federation Borg specialist there (besides Picard) to provide exposition rather than a horny, psychopathic cyborg.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Herc, No Sale; Epic Fail!

    by Asimov_Lives

    I have watch Shit Trek again give it a second chance and nope, still sucks shit through a Jefferies tube.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    The film was ALSO CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED...

    by UGABugKiller

    ... why is it so hard for you STINO guys to admit this, Coordinate_System?<br><br>Maybe because it invalidates your irrational and illogical hatred of this awesome film?<br><br>Maybe?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss valid points have already

    by ominus

    been made why this shit stinks.in this talkback and in a lot of older ones.check them.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Ominus... no, there haven't been...

    by UGABugKiller

    ... it's all variations on the same theme, saying "the story stinks" "the acting stinks" "the direction stinks."<br><br>But never any WHY.<br><br>Because you STINO people cannot give any reasons why. All you can do is bitch and complain and cry against the world, who are ALL wrong, and you're right.<br><br>How terribly sad for you people.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Jonathon Frakes should have direct new Trek

    by Asimov_Lives

    instead Jar Jar "lens flare" Abrams.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Lol, of all the things to complain about a film

    by lockesbrokenleg

    People that complain about lens flare are shitheads.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    expert40, I feel sorry for you

    by Asimov_Lives

    because you believe actually that this piece a shit is good, but it not and therefore you live in non-reality, perhaps an alternate universe where this considered good movie. You are delusional and should seek psychoactive help, and soon.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    AND HE'S BACK!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    ASIMOV_LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenlegs, you are the truly shithead

    by Asimov_Lives

    lens flares are the least problems with What About Brian Trek, but they are example of Jar Jar Abrams what he thinks looks good and therefore his poor judgment as director.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    media messiah..

    by dengreg31

    serously.. lots of folks liked it... you didnt.. why troll through talkbacks about the dvd.. move on to something else for god's sake.. why choose to read about stuff you don't like.. its just sad...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    expert40 u r wrong,there have been.

    by ominus

    from the sudden appearance of Spock prime to scottie in the water tube.from Kirk being a rebel without a cause,to Nero being a villain caricature.really open your eyes and read the valid points of the people who dont like this shit.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    all bow to Asimov Lives

    by ominus

    the king has returned,long live the king.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Asimov_Lives

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yeah, I'm a shithead for liking a movie. I am so glad people like you are not in charge of box office.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    ominus, see my other posts

    by hulkiest

    I agree with you one hundred percent on STV. I even referenced Kirk's pain line in that previous post about FC (not to you but, Tiberius I believe) I think V had the stuff to be a huge epic sci-fi mind-bender, it's just that yeah, as much as I love him, Shatner was squarely rooted in cravat-wearing, sequined Love Boat film making.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenlegs

    by Asimov_Lives

    Your nick says it all that you like Lost and all things Jar Jar Abrams and therefore he is you God and you opinion cannot be trusted as Objective. So, I cannot have a reasonable conversation with one who is so brainwashes by the hype of Jar Jar as good director when he is not. Dare I say overrated. There I said it.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I don't just like Lost

    by lockesbrokenleg

    If you ever bother to read my posts I like Wars, Trek, Lucas. Spielberg, Cameron, etc. I'm just not a hater like you are.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Whedon is the real person fans should shit on

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Buffy, come on, it sucked ass. Firefly? Overrated shit. Serenity? God Awful "movie". Dollhouse? Soap with sci fi things in it.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Truth does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    "It literally took me a week to get through them all" Herc.<p> The 2hrs of extras on this fabulous disc are fabulous, out on tuesday, tuesday - click the Amazon link - buy buy buy!!<p> It's the theatrical release. Yes, the one you've already seen. But so many extras, at least 2 hrs worth...<p> "It literally took me a week to get through them all" Herc.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I gave this movie a chance in the theater.

    by StarWarsRedux

    I consider it a waste of eleven perfectly good dollars.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Holy Shillage Maximus.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    I don't hate this movie. I don't feel fuck all about it. Enjoyed watching it. Forgot about it ten minutes after seeing it. <p> Just saw 2012. Exactly the same feeling.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Regarding the extras on the SHILL TREK Blu Ray...<p> "It literally took me a week to get through them all" Herc.<p> If you get a healthy 8 hours sleep a night there are 112 hours in a week.<p> "It literally took me a week to get through them all" Herc.<p> 112 hours Herc.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    I don't think I've watched all of the Lord of the Rings extras

    by lockesbrokenleg

    yet, and I've had those discs for years.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    lol on the last video

    by dookiew

    that video was funny as hell and so true to all the haters...one of the best star trek movies in years.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    lockes, would you say; "there were so many extras on LOTR dvd that it 'literally' took me five years to get through them all"?<p> Cos that would give an accurate interpretation of the length of the extras right? That would make people click on the amazon link and buy right away right? That would make our sponsors (Paramount) happy right?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    NEW STAR TREK = LENS FLARE MANIA RUN WILD!!!!

    by Orionsangels

    Seriously, the inside of the Enterprise is one giant lens flare after another!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    To Coordinate_System and ominus and anyone else

    by hulkiest

    ...interested in actually discussing Star Trek ideas rather than simply telling each other that they should die tortuous deaths or be raped for their opinions, my hope for a sequel wouldn't be in simply resurrecting Khan or Gary Mitchell whose characters and casting were so strong originally that to re-cast them would make it seems like we're watching their counterparts in a stunt show. Anyway, I can't discuss the DVD as I haven't seen it yet. But the thing is, I don't really want to. The only film not in my DVD collection is Insurrection and JJ Trek sort of gives me the same feeling about repeat viewings.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I was hoping Finnegan would be the Security Guy

    by lockesbrokenleg

    that Kirk calls Cupcake. I thought that would be cool to think it was THAT guy that was harassing Kirk at the Academy and on the ship.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Hercules: I lost my virginity with BR ST

    by ominus

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Hercules: BR ST is even better than sex

    by ominus

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    TDK BLUE RAY WAS SEX AND THE ST BR

    by lockesbrokenleg

    is like a really good hooker.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Hercules: Star Trek Blu my Ray gun

    by Asimov_Lives

    and then I let it's Extras bukkake all over me all week long. I was covered in Jism Jism Abrams from head to toe and it took me all week to wipe the jizz off.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    hulkiest as Q said :

    by ominus

    "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you oughtta go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. <p> It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." <p>thats what i fucking want for the sequel,thats what ST is all about.and since we have a young and inexperienced crew in its first footsteps towards that fascinating but dangerous cosmos of miracles,i would fucking love to see how the crew explores and reacts to the unknown,how the desire for knowledge overcomes all the obstacles and how at the end the human spirit becomes triumphant. <p>I dont want Kirk to be from the sequel the miracle man who saves the world and fucks the girl.I want a movie,where throughout it,Kirk and his crew face the Unknown and thought it we explore how as humans react to it: how they control their fears,their dilemmas of morality and rationality ,their anxiety and uncertainty of what sensible decisions should be made,their personal weaknesses and strengths,their personal feeling of fear but also joy of the satisfaction of their curiosity for the unknown.and i want at the end of the movie,Kirk and his crew to become a little more experienced,wiser and mature not only as military officers but also as human beings. <p>thats what ST2 to be: not a james bond movie,but a movie about human beings.afterall scifi is about us,the humans.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    "ST BR is like a good hooker."

    by Asimov_Lives

    No, it's not. It not even as good as a hand job from a Quadriplegic Masseuse in an Asian Massage Parlor.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    I started having a shit last Saturday.

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    It literally took me a week.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I once tried having a wank over a picture of Kathy Bates

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    It literally took me a week.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>Critically acclaimed? Sure! What does that mean, though? It means most critics liked it. I don’t equate popularity with quality. Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the blessing of the majority. Majorities may rule, but they are not always right.</P> <P>Why do I think that the majority is wrong in this case? Here are just a few reasons. These aren’t all of my reasons (that would take more time), but it gives you the general idea.</P> <P>To reboot or not? Should have a been a straight up reboot, with no reference to the Classic Universe. Start fresh. Works for the Marvel Ultimates. It would have worked here.</P> <P>Bad characterizations: neo-Kirk is no longer a studious over-achiever. He’s a laid-back frat-boy. Neo-Kirk would never have been accepted to a service academy, much less lasted three years. The enlarged hands scene was Jar-Jar-esque in it sillyness and I could have done without it. Neo-Scotty was a walking punchline (Mr. Scott’s Water Theme Park etc). Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, didn’t really work either for me either. </P> <P>On the other hand, I found the take on Spock to be an interesting one. He seems more comfortable with his human half, which is how he was portrayed post-TMP. Fascinating!</P> <P>Bad writing: too dependent on coincidence (neo-Kirk, Classic Spock and the ice planet) or Deus Ex Machina’s (Classic Spock, Scotty and the beaming onto the enterprise, at warp, at a great distance). A little more research and thought should have been put into it. Story was not terribly gripping, or even that original. As someone else suggested in another talk-back, its a TWOK-like revenge story. </P> <P>Bad Science. Yes, I know we are talking about Star Trek. Doesn’t make it ok. </P> <P>Set design: using a brewery to stand in for the engineering spaces? C’mon!</P> <P>Lots of little details: English used in the Vulcan scenes (and school), misuse of Trek terms sprinkled throughout. The entire affair strikes me as being made by folks who have little interest in or respect for the source material.</P> <P>I don’t deny it made money. The market has spoken. It doesn’t mean that I have to like it (obviously, I don’t’), I just wish they could have made a wad of cash without sinking to such levels of, well, stupidity. Not my intention to insult anyone’s intelligence, but I really can’t describe this movie as being anything but.</P> <P>In preparation for incoming fire: Langston Field Up! (for those of you who get the reference, now that was good writing)</P>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    by Coordinate_System

    Just to clarify: I was referring to the writing behind the Langston field reference, and not my writing.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Critcially acclaimed means nothing these days

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Critics are puppets these days. No one gives a shit about them. People go see what they like, or if they hear a movie is good. Remember how everyone was creaming their pants over Borat, yet no one bothered to see Bruno?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    You know how long it took to log onto AICN today?

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    It literally took me a week

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenlegs, you make bad example

    by Asimov_Lives

    Bruno was univrsaly panned by the critics and no one else wnated to see it either. Your example actually proves that critics matter.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    So, it's still shit?

    by Chemicals

    Yeah, thought so.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    RICHARD_GERE

    by ominus

    stop it,you are killing me ;)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    I actually have no prblem with Jar Jar using brewery

    by Asimov_Lives

    as long as everyone gets drunk in movie. Star Trek: Strange Brew. Bring it on!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Chemicals

    Keep giving them hell dude! Keep speaking the truth! Fuck the dopes who don't understand what Trek is supposed to be about!!! This movie was an embarrassing piece of shit. If they make a sequel, it will not do well.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    It's not your granfather's Trek

    by Asimov_Lives

    It's your grandmother's dried up shrivelled hairy grey smelly sagging vag hole. And it's even worser than that.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    But it literally took me....

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Okay, i'll stop ominus.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I remember criticts loving Bruno

    by lockesbrokenleg

    EW slobbered all over it.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    RT has Bruno at fucking 67 percent rating

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    God bless you Asimov_Lives

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    And God bless your slippery grasp of the English language. Your post wouldn't have been nearly as amusing to me without "And it's even worser than that" at the end.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Asimov_Lives

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    You are one dedicated mofo!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Can't we all just get along?

    by Rocco Curioso

    HA!--- that'll be the day. Saw this on a faux-IMAX screen on opening day; didn't do much for me. Zoe Saldana gave me a woody, the guy who played McBones was aces, and Bruce Greenwood lent it some class early on. That was the breadth of its appeal for me.<P>The whole part where Kirk winds up on Little Hoth and battles the beastie in order to Prove His Warrior Status... OK, I could handle that. But then, beyond fortuitous, he runs into the original Spock... who then proceeds to explain (dump) the finer points of the plot in 10 minutes of exposition. Very subtle.<P>One can almost see J.J. Abrams at this point, rubbing his hands together, a big shit-eating grin on his mug, thinking "Good; now we can get back to the stunning visuals!".<P>Won't bother with this one on DVD; sure as hell won't see the next one at all.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Rocco Curioso

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And yet you'll sit through the shit known as Insurrection.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    There weren't enough lense flares in my opinion

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Star Trek 2 should feature fifty times as many. In fact, the screen should be white at all times and the voices of the main cast should just continue behind.<p>Hopefully Bob Orci is around somewhere to relay this to JJ.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Rocco, agreed with all you points

    by Asimov_Lives

    Even the Orion Slave Girl Coed was a fat cow compared to Uwhora. And her makeup job sucks shit too. They should of got hotass balls portuguese mamasita instead.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Every transition in STINO 2: Wrath of Cornhole

    by Asimov_Lives

    should be a lensflare Lensflare is to Jar Jar Abrams as horizontal wipe is to George Lucas.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Asimov Lives should record a commentary

    by lockesbrokenleg

    so we can download it and watch it with the movie.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    ominus -- final thought for the day

    by hulkiest

    Oh, I can take the bloody nose. It's just kinda boring to wade through endless hyperbole by some people whom I suspect don't even like themselves let alone movies. Sure we all get impatient, you even got a little testy about your love of First Contact and obviously I disagree but there it is, was it worth any anger? And again, there we were talking about Shatner's debacle which was a glorious failure. But he really was trying to say something and did have an epic scope and wasn't simply another story about a bad guy. Shatner just couldn't direct to save his life. (David Loughery's dud jokes were no help either.) Anyway, for those that are incredulous at the idea of people who didn't like the movie joining in a DVD review talkback, just know that some us really like discussing Star Trek, as nerdy and pathetic as that is and blah blah blah, some people talk about football and cars the same way. Big deal.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Post script, ominus

    by hulkiest

    I wanted the same things in a Star Trek movie. I assumed Kirk and co. would get to the bridge because they followed proper channels and proved himself over time, not through complete contrivance. Why the impatience to make them Captains and First officers immediately? Where's the growth?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Fat ass

    by Tumor_Binks

    Any one looking through all these extras gots to be some fat ass MF living in mammas basement living off welfare and checks from Amazon for referrals.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Hulkiest

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Cos, what Saving the entire fucking federation isn't worth a little promotion?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    This Flick Was Startrek For Dumbies

    by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon

    This was exactly what it was intended to be. A flick for the dumb ass generation that never experianced anything trek before. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it in the theater but the walk to your car makes or breaks a film. It just doesn't stand up to intelligent thought. It is what it is, a decent popcorn flick.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    hulkiest

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And that would make for a boring 2 hour movie where Kirk is a tech officer working at a dead end job while the Captain goes out on a mission?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    ACTUALLY, NO ONE HATED THIS MOVIE

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Only the fact that it's a reboot.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Cadet to Capt

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>You don't have to show Kirk's growth as an officer and a gentleman, but you shouldn't eliminate either.</P>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    No... a dual commentary with JJ AND Asimov_Lives!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    JJ: "And in this scene, i was trying to show -"<p>AL: "Shit?"<p>JJ: "Huh?"<p>AL: "You was trying to show shit and you succeededed, Jar Jar!"<p>JJ: "It's Jeffrey and don't call me Jar -"<p>AL: "Fuck you, you fucking ass. This scene is the shits just like all the rest. Why is we even talking about it?"<p>JJ: "Please. There might be children listening to this."<p>AL: "I don't care. This movie is the shits!"<p>JJ: "It's a great movie. I'm very proud of it!"<p>AL: "You are delusional and should seek psychoactive help, and soon."<p>JJ: "Who ARE you? I'm a world famous director -"<p>AL: "I kill you!"<p>JJ: (Gasping sound of being strangled)<p><p>You'd listen to it. You know you would.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    IF YOU LOVE MINDLESS STUPIDITY...

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Then First Contact is the Trek movie for you.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Lesbianna_Winterlude

    by lockesbrokenleg

    No, that would be Serenity.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    LOL at Richard Gere's Gerbil

    by Asimov_Lives

    You even had me laughing with that, you crazy gringo! But I never will kill Jar Jar. He's not worth the trouble and price of airfare to the States.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    By Odin's silver-haired nutsack!!

    by Star Hump

    I'd rather watch Ents fucking than see that abortion of a Star Trek movie again.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    I understand the complaints with this film

    by Spazatronik2000

    But the more vocal bashers are just being overly negative drama-queens. You don't like mindless Hollywood action movies. I get it. But can't you fuckheads budge a little and compromise a bit? Star Trek was a rousing success, universally liked by theatergoers and critics alike, easily the best Star Trek movie in recent memory. The story was weak in parts, sure, and o.k. maybe it wasn't smart-sci-fi enough. But it was still a great, light sci-fi actioneer and a highlight of the otherwise forgettable summer. That said, I hope Abrams is listening to you bitchy whiners and infuses a little more intelligence into the sequel.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Truly, The Onion got it right...

    by hippie_killer

    Film blasted as “accessible to those who don’t even know what Pon Farr is”

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Kirk-Spock-McCoy

    by MCVamp

    Though I enjoyed the movie for what it was (derivative fluff in a shiny box) I'm surprised more people aren't howling about the Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic clearly being changed to Kirk-Spock-Uhura despite Urban's performance.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    The actors were moving; pieces set in motion by words and action

    by conspiracy

    done years before. JJ sat at his desk...his mind spinning with a thousand thoughts, Nimoy, the Rabbi, Shatner, HIM, Orci..., so many pieces moving..., he was in far deeper than he had ever wanted; thoughts of the quiet life of a successful director were nowhere near Abrams. "Fuck", JJ thought to himself, "Worst of all...this shit with Nimoy is draining me financially...and the help of my 'friends' to fight him does not come for free". JJ looked at the calendar..."good" he whispered to nobody, for the room was empty but for his thoughts, "The DVD hits soon and....Oh Shiiiit" JJ punched the intercom..."Mary", he shouted at the speakerphone..."Did you remember to get those things out I asked you too". The intercom shouted back...they went out last week J...J." Silence. "Well", JJ thought, " at least THAT will work out as planned..." He took a drink of the Makers Mark and closed his eyes....</p><p>The UPS truck was early to the Austin suburbs today...Fred hit this particular house almost every god damned day. "Fuck...this guy must do nothing but watch TV and order shit from QVC...probably cried when Billy Mays kicked off." Todays package was heavier than most; 6x2x3 and 75#, bulk freight marked "leave on porch". "I'd have hated to pay overnight on this motherfucker" Fred mused. Jammng it under the crate Fred wheeled the package towards the door...UFO wind chimes, a 6' inflatable Godzilla and 6 months worth of Dominos Pizza coupons spilling from the mailbox greeted him, as they did almost everyday.</p><p>Fred rang the door bell...and again...and again. "Fuck it" Fred cursed...and leaving the heavy coffin like box on the door...put away his dolly and drove away...leaving the package and its contents to fate.</p><p>Harry could not help but wonder what the package could be and watching the UPS man leave, cracked open the door just the slightest. "Wow...it looks big enough to be a AVATAR Standee!", "Maybe Jim remembered me from that Convention I met him at in 01...he knows I'm a huge fan after all...", "Or maybe Guillermo sent me a prop from the Hobbit...he knows I love the Hobbit" Harry rolled closer to the box..wary..unsure, the bright light of the sun blinded him, the heat of the fall weather chilled him...how he hated being outside..away from his models, and games, and the dark comfort of the screening room.</p><p> He looked at the address tag.."From: Bad Robot Prod." "WOOOOW! Something from JJ!!!" Harry fiddled with his phone..."Hey...Herc...Harry here...I just got a big BoX from JJ!" On the other end of the line the one called 'Hercules' responded, "Yeah Harry...I just got one too....wried though...I got my check last month...I wonder what else we could have earned?!" Harry spoke, "I Don't know..I got my check last month too...I bought this super cool limited edition signed Astro Boy standee with it..but this is bigger than THAT even". "hey"..said Herc, "Lets open them together!" Harry squealed.."Oh YEAH thats a Fucking Cherry Idea!" His excitement at a fever pitch Harry clipped the keepers on the top of the box, his heart moments from erupting gooey geek blood from his chest. "On 3..."Harry spoke to Herc..."One...Two....Three!"</p><p>Harry was speechless, never in his life had joy swept over him so completely, so fully...not even his wedding day or that time George Lucas had licked his ear had filled him with such emotion. "Wooooooow....JJ is the Best" Harry said into the phone to the sounds of soft weeping on the other end. "What is yours?" Harry asked Herc. "Oh....Dude...it...it is beautiful....I've always wanted one...and this...this is better than even the rel thing must be like." Harry stared down into the cold eyes looking back at him.."Oh Herc...mine is a Zoe Saldana model...JJ must have had it made custom just for ME!" Harrys hand trembled as his fingers caressed the soft latex of the Zoe Saldana Real Doll below him. "Oh Harry..." Herc wept into the phone, "this...this makes all the shit I take on the talkbacks worth it...Mine is an Orion Slave Girl!!!" Herc broke into sobs.."Harry...I've always wanted a girl....and now...thanks to you...and JJ...and Roberto...I...I have ONE!" Harry stared at the rubbery love machine before him and thought..."Oh...JJ...if you though we slobbed your knob last time...Just wait till your next film" A tear dropped from his eye...Yes, it was good to be on the payroll.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Heat of the fall chilled him...LMAO

    by conspiracy

    THats what I get when i write while drinking!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Oh Christ I hate it when people write fucking

    by lockesbrokenleg

    novels at AICN.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Scew Khan, Finnegan was Kirk's true archenemy!

    by DrPain

    XI was a great movie, probably my new favorite Trek film. Though I was a little disappointed they couldn't fit Finnegan in there somewhere. Perhaps the sequel!?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    lockey, conspiracy's stuff is usually pretty good

    by Stabby

    and he doesn't do it that often.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Fascinating...

    by BurnHollywood

    I see the film's apologists seem to have one and only one fallback position when confronted with its deficits: "C'mon! It had its faults, but it was FUN! Don't ya like to have fun, you fucking (insert favorite anti-intellectual epithet here)?!"<p> In effect, they're advocating a paradoxical assessment...that the film was great (the greatest of the series, in some cases), but that it also had errors and contrivances that must be overlooked in order to enjoy it. Thus, if you're the sort that scrutinizes things, you won't enjoy it, but if you have a breezy superficial attitude, it's wonderful.<p> Unfortunately, someone who's breezy and superficial is the last person you'd want to talk to when trying to assess quality, so they've effectively shot themselves in the foot with that approach...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by rogueleader66

    Amazing how liking a movie must mean that everyone here is on someones payroll. Grow up assholes. Just because you hate something does not mean everyone who likes it is on someones payroll. Amazing the amount of ignorance an immaturity some people have. If you don't respect those who run this site, then the simple solution is stay the fuck away from it, plain and simple.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Tiberius, lockesbroken leg...

    by hulkiest

    Well, where I come from you can tell any story about anyone as long as you make your characters and plot interesting. You don't like the Star Trek purists complaining, but who says young Kirk HAS to be Captain in the first movie? It could have been about Lt.jg Kirk who gets promoted to, say, Commander for saving his crew in battle or from a new threat, whatever. And at the end of the movie, Pike says, "See? I knew you had it in you." And Kirk's on the bridge and they go warping away. "Oh, God! No!!! Kirk isn't Captain!!! That can't happen!!!" (You must have hated the four movies where he was an Admiral.) And that saving the universe excuse, well, how many intelligence officers, soldiers, pilots etc. make it to Admiral, General, ETC. after defending their country repeatedly? Is Starfleet so short of command staff? Personally, I always thought the Enterprise being rebuilt and the crew pardoned in the last five minutes of IV was kinda lame too, and reeked of TV thinking, saving the universe or not. You don't have to show Sulu meeting with his Lawyers in the beginning of V, but you know, if you shake it up, it can be interesting too. Why does the audience have to go right back to its comfort levels? I liked Chekov and Sulu serving on different ships in the movies as well. I like things kinda realistic, sue me. I'd say we of the "Didn't-like-JJ-Trek-that-much camp" aren't insulted because of the new universe, I'd say we're negative because it was a lazy, by-the-numbers story, that rushed all of the situations just to get to the final warp out of the ship. Well, if that's what all they thought we wanted, Kirk should've started as Captain in the first place. Have it be about Kirk's first day of command and he's being doubted and everyone says he's too young and what a jerk off he is, cheating on his tests and on and on. And then danger and then yay, Kirk's totally awesome! He's the best Captain ever. And hey, "Three years later" title cards work as well. You know, a fade out to show a passage of time before he gets his big chance. JJ used them in the beginning of his film as well. I would also enjoy a film, I'm sure, where Kirk starts as a kick ass first officer that everyone respects because of his derring-do. If the story's good, I'm sure you would too.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    It was always said Kirk was the youngest Captain

    by lockesbrokenleg

    in Starfleet, and that Spock was in Starfleet when Kirk was but older. Also, McCoy was older too, but he was in Starfleet cause his dad died, and he decided to join. Also, Kirk WASN'T a Captain in the movie. He wasn't even ranked. He was supposed to be assigned to another ship.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    DrPain

    by BurnHollywood

    Perhaps I can explain the absence of Finnegan: The revelation that Kirk was bullied at Academy would undermine Orci/Kurtzman's "too cool for school" persona they had shoehorned into the character, and given that they can only bang out one-note personages on their piano, he was naturally excluded.<p> They probably have no fucking idea who he was anyway.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    rogueleader, it's satire

    by Stabby

    get a sense of humor, bud.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    What film doesn't have faults?

    by rogueleader66

    I am not going to go into the reasons why I liked Trek. I am also not an apologist. I just liked the movie. It has faults. It was made by a director who didn't know much about Trek. That being said, I expect the next film to be even better than this one, I hope Abrams and co. learn from the mistakes they made on their first effort, build on the positives and give a more Trek like adventure next time around. They made a Trek for the masses, fine, but now that they have their audience they need to step up their game. Was it the best in the series? No. Was it better than the last two turds (Insurrection and Nemesis) Hell yes. What movie is flawless? What movie doesn't have flaws that you overlook? If we based our like/dislike of movies based on their flaws then we would hate just about everything that is released. Few movies are flawless, hell there may very well be NO movie that is flawless.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Good job conspiracy

    by Stabby

    except Herc's real doll should have been Karl Urban. Don't get me wrong his Mccoy was the best thing in the film for me. I'm just saying that Herc fights for the other team.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST

    rogueleader, calm down, it's saturday night

    by Stabby

    I actually agree with you. But, I do wish that J.J. had done more research before he did the film. Just as of last month he was completing the Original Series. That's kind of unacceptable. It's a Star Trek remake, not Friday the 13th.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Stabby

    by rogueleader66

    I have a sense of humor dude, and my post was not really directed at anyone in particular. I just ranted because I am so tired of all these people that insult the people on this site. Some people just have zero respect. I don't always agree with what is said by those who run this site, but I appreciate the effort they put into this site and respect them for giving us what they do. Sometimes the things that are said about Harry and Co are just downright nasty and totally uncalled for. But that's just me. Carry on.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Stabby

    by rogueleader66

    Again, I hear you, and yes JJ should have done his homework a bit more. I guess I am a bit more forgiving because for a long time i did not give a shit about Trek, and this movie made me care again. That being said I do expect more next movie. I am not trying to make Saturday night a rant fest. Just kinda bored, g/f is at work, nothing on TV so I'm here ranting LOL

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    OMG THE NACELLES WERE TOO BIG! OMG!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Pike should have been like 200 years old if he went out on a five year mission before he got to the Enterprise.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg--you really like that movie

    by hulkiest

    Obviously I believe Kirk made it to Captain way too conveniently in the JJ-verse so now his not being a Captain for most of the movie is supposed to justify JJ and Orci simply promoting him to Captain on their laundry list of plot points to cover? I know, I know, he was just so awesome and such a universe saver that he wormed his way into Starfleet's hearts and ours. Works for you, great. Me, I thought it was needless and lazy. I guess that makes me a hater. Go Haters!!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    dailysportspages, was that directed at me.

    by FamousEccles

    His job is to review/plug stuff. he wrote out an extensive list of things said in the commentary. a very extensive list. what sad fuck is going to read all that when they are going to see and hear it themselves. You obvisouly, but there is always one!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST

    conspiracy brilliant as always

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Dark Shite

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    you live in Kyushu right ?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Disappointed more than anything

    by Black_Super_Predator

    The whole new timeline thing killed it for me. I was expecting more of a prequel and didnt think reboot meant a total complete fucking timeline change. As far as the movies RT numbers being so high....remember that Little Miss Sunshine got 90%. Both movies could have used at least one Predator in them.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    I love the fanatical hyperbole on this site

    by smatt584

    Shit like: "only morons liked this movie" and "we're supposed to be attracted to an ugly green chick?", comments made by someone that honestly expects to be taken seriously like an intelligent human being making rational criticisms? How can people simultaneously be full of themselves and full of shit? It almost seems to defy nature. As if to say that A literal genius like a neuro-surgeon or a physicist couldnt possibly enjoy this movie? The statement itself doesnt hold water in any way and yet this douchebag seems to have absolutely no doubt in what they type. Just like a true fanatic, isnt it? And as for that "ugly green chick"? Her name is Rachel Nichols. Go ahead and take a moment on google and then properly discontinue to consider yourself as being heterosexual. Women that hot wouldnt give you the time of day and youre saying that a little green paint blinded you to this? Maybe you like Kirk a little too much? Shit, dont like the movie if you want, but you cant actually be walking around believing these opinions have a factual basis in reality can you? Its sad when people confuse objective with subjective.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    that Onion news report was great

    by FamousEccles

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood, nice comment about Finnegan

    by hulkiest

    That was funny.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Rottentomatoes 95%, Metacritic 88%

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    The best movie indicators on the web. <p> I personally think the metacritic rating seems to high, for me its a 3.5 out of 5 movie, an enjoyable and fun movie, but not a movie I will think about too much afterwards (as opposed to say District 9 or Moon)

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Moon? What the fuck is Moon?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Is it some art movie that no one saw but people heap praise on it just because they filmed it for 10 bucks?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Walked out of Trek 1 hour in. I'd give it 1/5 stars.

    by Flip63Hole

    One of the worst films I've seen in ages. Too loud, too many explosions. Worthless plot.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I LOVE YOU BEN BURTT

    by menstrual_blitz

    Maybe ease up on the punches, though. POW! <p> Looking forward to all those special features. So many...

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    No, Moon is one of the best 2009 science fiction movies

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Star Trek is not on that list.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I just ordered the amazon $90 version

    by Supermans

    Supposed to come with a replica of the ship in metal (not plastic) That has to be worth at least $70 bucks..

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    the cg'd green chick did look weird

    by Spazatronik2000

    I think maybe she'd look a lot hotter if they used make-up instead of the ugly, poorly executed CG effect that was used.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    No, Kirk is not cool.

    by kabong

    The engines look like car parts. <P> What a mess!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    MOON was awesome. I saw it 4 times.

    by StarWarsRedux

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    The Star Trek Blue Ray 90 buck version

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It looks like awesome, but I will wait a month so I can see if it will be marked down to 40 dollars.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    It's A Fucking Summer Blockbuster People!!

    by FreeBeer

    It's only goal is to entertain and it succeeds at this goal. In fact, it's one of the most entertaining live action summer popcorn flicks I've seen in years. Is it genius? No. Is it a blast? Yes it fucking is. Transformers was a bowl of severed testicles floating in sour ejaculate. Star Trek was fun. Don't take life so seriously for fuck's sake. This might not be as great as Trek can be, but its definitely the best Trek has been in years, certainly since DS9.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    As a Trekkie...

    by BlackPrince

    I was minorly disappointed afterwards that it was more Star Wars than Star Trek in that ST was traditionally about issues, and about philosophy, and humanity's role in the world, superimposed upon a space background, whereas this movie clearly wasn't. That being said tho it WAS entertaining, and was probably among the best movies of the summer (which isn't saying much considering the summer was Transformers, Wolverine etc., but still). I accept the "alternate universe" explanation and understand that this is a diff interpretation of Star Trek, just as TNG was a diff int than the original series, and DS9 was different still, which was different to Voyager and Enterprise in spirit and feel. But they are all star trek and so is the most recent movie. Hopefully there will be a bit of a return to form with the next movie, with more Prime Directive stuff, and such. If they don't though, I won't feel too bad as I don't think the movie would have done nearly as well at the box office if it was full of Picardlike-pontificating and bloviating (which I love btw).

  • Exactly. That's why it's not Star Trek; it's Fake Star Trek.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Hopefully The Sequel..

    by FreeBeer

    ..Is unforseeably spectacular, like Empire Strikes Back or Dark Knight. The first flick lay down the foundations of this new Trek universe, now we can hit the ground running with these characters and weave a truely epic adventure.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    trek 1969

    by hank90000

    when i was 6 i used to beg to stay up late and watch to see my new favorite show on friday nights. I saw the dreaded season 3 episodes for the very first time on an old black and white T.V. the show blew me away! i was hooked! 40 years later trek had been pulled out of the mud its been raked thru for the past decade, ( enterprise did have a few bright spots near the end of the run). and we get Trek 11. some of the actors were spot on with the characterizations. some were not. Nero sucked out loud. instant captain bit the big one for me. it blew chunks. its good to see the toons back in action. lets all prey the 2nd story is better. Ive seen better season 3 episodes.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Abrams and friends should secure the rights...

    by MisterE

    ...to "Ow, My Balls". They could probably do justice to that property.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    FreeBeer

    by rogueleader66

    Amen to that!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Worse Than Trans2? Now You're Taking The Piss

    by FreeBeer

    "New Trek is Transformers 2 in space without the good action and with more poorly written humor and turning points." FIRST OFF-There is no good action in Transformers 2, just a series of headache inducing flashing lights and shiny moving crome parts. SECONG OFF- More poorly written humour? How can you get worse than racial steriotyping? Nearly every fucking robot was a Mecha Jar Jar Binks! THIRF OFF- More poorly written turning points? Are you shitting me? WALKING STICK ROBOT!! A FUCKING ELDERLY WALKING STICK ROBOT!! To be fair, I know you think Transformers is shite, that's why you compared the two films in the first place, because you dislike both. But do you seriously think Trans2 is superior? Really? I don't mind you hating on Trek really don't give a damn, but Trans2 is one of the worst movies ever made. Really, Trans2 is as bad as Battlefield Earth and Space Truckers, WORSE even. Star Trek is no masterpiece, but nor is it comparable to that loathsome piece of hateful splooge.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    I love the fact the old school Trek fans saw this

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and had their minds blown. It was highly amusing to see them so used to stale TV trek, then to go to a Trek movie and see an actual MOVIE and not stale TV Trek.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 2009 is a motherfucking truimph

    by zillabeast

    And Star Trek 2012 will make $500 million domestic.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    conspiracy's novels are welcome here any time

    by Hercules

    especially if he keeps giving me the Rachel Nichols model.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Please explain how Star Trek's script is worse than 2012

    by Tall_Boy66

    For people who say Star Trek is the worst movie of the year, please explain how 2012 is a better written film. Go ahead. I'm interested in how you'll try to spin this.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Look on torrents.. the blu-dvdrip of JJ Star Trek has been out f

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    or weeks!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    So, AsimovLives, can you explain how Watchmen is

    by lockesbrokenleg

    so much fucking better than Star Trek?

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    I have 3 #1 Star Trek movies

    by Tall_Boy66

    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek: First Contact, and Star Trek. I know it's kind of a cheat to group 3 together, but whatever. 3 different crews both in front and behind the camera, and both have heavy revenge themes running through them. And they're all very watchable for non-Treked and Treked alike. As for the much maligned Star Trek V, I don't think Shatner intended it, but I think it's the most in spirit with the free-wheeling, fairly cheeseball but still a decent central idea of most TOS movies. Out of all the films, I think it's the closest in spirit to the Original Series. Besides,"What would GOD need with a Starship" is fucking gold.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    erm make that "most TOS episodes"

    by Tall_Boy66

    Not "most TOS movies" You know what I mean, gorramit.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I Motion For Gaila In Star Trek Sequel!!

    by FreeBeer

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I motion in my pants for Gaila in Star Trek sequel

    by Tall_Boy66

    She sweet talked her way past Nero from blowing up the U.S.S. Hood. Or, more simply, she got into an escape pod and the Enterprise picked her up. Maybe in the sequel Kirk uses Scotty fancy transwarp beaming for an intergalatic booty call. HAH-CHA! Or, easier, just make Gaila in the place of Yeoman Janice Rand. Alternate universe, you can get away with it!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Unlike The Star Wars Prequels..

    by FreeBeer

    ..Abrams knew what made Star trek TOS special, the characters. Sure it had it's grand themes and ideas, but the characters are the main reason it has endured so long and is beloved by so many. The only main characters in the Wars prequels were Jedi. Jedi are basically monks that audiences could not identify with without a way in, a representive, in the original movies case a certain rogue smuggler. There was a reason Lucas created the Solo character, because he was someone we could identify with, a normal dude. We needed his character because if he wasn't there, all we had were these mystical, larger than life Jedi Warriors. If there was a Han Solo type in the prequels they may not have left audiences cold. Star Trek prequel if nothing else captured the essence of why we loved this crew, and for that it should be applauded.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Gaila Could Have Survived..

    by FreeBeer

    ..escape pods man. Anyways, I think I saw her at the ceremony at the end of the flick. Screw a more intellectually stimulating sequel, all we need is more alien booty!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi

    by The Dark Shite

    Yeah, that's right.It took mer ages to find the right place. They changed the name to Ganryjima, so I was looking for a place that doesn't exist anymore. <p> But then I remembered that it used to be called Funejima (ship island), because of its shape, so I hiked up the local mountain & looked ac Actually, I might take a boat trip over there tomorrow & check it out. <p>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi

    by The Dark Shite

    Yeah, that's right.It took mer ages to find the right place. They changed the name to Ganryjima, so I was looking for a place that doesn't exist anymore. <p> But then I remembered that it used to be called Funejima (ship island), because of its shape, so I hiked up the local mountain & looked ac Actually, I might take a boat trip over there tomorrow & check it out. <p>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi

    by The Dark Shite

    Yeah, that's right.It took mer ages to find the right place. They changed the name to Ganryjima, so I was looking for a place that doesn't exist anymore. <p> But then I remembered that it used to be called Funejima (ship island), because of its shape, so I hiked up the local mountain & looked ac Actually, I might take a boat trip over there tomorrow & check it out. <p>

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    I've watched this twice already

    by deanbarry

    On my blu-ray system at home. Gradn entertainment. Fucking spectacular in high def. But mostly, i'm jizzing coz we got it out here in Australia nearly 4 weeks before you guys in the states. HA HA, about damn time we beat you at sexy movie releases.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    I duuno what gradn is either

    by deanbarry

    GRAND!!! I was too busy speed typing trying to be FIRST!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Fuck..

    by The Dark Shite

    I pressed send by mistake. I looked across the straits here. You can see right across from Kyushu to Yamaguchi & all the little islands in the strait. <p> I'm more of a Kojiro fan myself, by the way. It's not his fault he was stopped from using his supercool Samurai style by a bit of wood. Poor fucker.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy

    by Kontarsky

    As usual, your post was the highlight of this talkback for me! Hilarious.

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Good Features, But Won't Be Buying This..

    by FreeBeer

    ..I'm holding out for the inevitable Holodeck Special Editon. I'm saving for a Holodeck capable television as we speak, and not that Holodeck ready shit, FULL HOLODECK!!

  • Nov. 14, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    This was a vapid piece of shit...

    by PoeticWarriortoo

    from the shitastic script to the malt liquor factory "engine room", a bucket of pig vomit made by a dumb ass for dumb asses. The "new" spock is a fucking tool, and Kirk is not far behind. The fawning over this dreck is idiotic.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, midnight CST

    My My

    by joshuavance1701

    Look at all of these whiney ass fat fucking unpolished turds! <p> You cunts wouldn't know a "good" film if it slapped you in the face with it's dick. Listen to you faux elitist fat ass nobodies, going on about screenplays and dialogue, you fat mother fucking underachievers you have never done nothing of merit or worth in your entire life. I laugh at you fat fucking cunts. This film kicked the shit out of your genre movie and you fat fucking cunts are JEALOUS. <p> JEALOUS it has a 95 percent critical rating, JEALOUS it bested your shitty ass genre movies, JEALOUS it blew shit Trek like Berman produced Tng, Deep shit nine , Voyager, and Enterprise out of the fucking water. JEALOUS.JEALOUS.JEALOUS. <p> Now be good little fat bastard little cunts and go choke on your own jizz like good little fat bastard underacheiving cunts should.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Umm, joshuavance1701 Is Not With Me

    by FreeBeer

    Why not put up a persuasive argument man, that kinda carry on makes fans of the movie like myself look bad.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    The Gauntlet and die bitches

    by joshuavance1701

    I'm calling it right here right now. <p> Avatar gets a significantly lower critical reception, makes lower than 280 million domestic, and like your other shitty genre movies, Star Trek bests by a long shot. <p> Now fuck your Watchmen, fuck your Battleshits Galactica, fuck your V, fuck your Wolverine and Transformers, fuck your DUNE, and fuck you running. Star Trek owns you fat boys, now deal with it and suck on it like good little bloated soft swollen AICN talkbackers.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701 = bob orci

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Quite simply freebeer

    by joshuavance1701

    What is there to convince? These forums and talkbacks aren't to change minds man. There's not one thing someone that enjoyed this movie could say to convince someone that didn't to like it better, conversely, there's not one thing someone that didn't like this film could say, to convince someone that did, to enjoy it less. Mind-changing is an exercise in futility.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Why yes indeed

    by joshuavance1701

    I'm Bob Orci! That's the most inspired , thought-provoking revelation I've seen in the 12 years visiting this site. I'm flabbergasted. Can I share an anecdote? Hypothetically, if I were indeed Bob Orci, could I take my extravagant checks from writing Trek and Transformers, and piss all over your Kroger job?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    And PoeticWarrior..

    by FreeBeer

    ..your being a child too. God the likes of you guys make me want to stop contributing to this site. Aintitcool is supposed to be about expressing and discussing our common love of movies, not throwing abuse at each other. sound like a couple of god damn seven year olds. PoeticWarrior, you can call the movie "idiotic" all you want, but don't call the people who liked it who you dont even know "idiotic". There's no cause for that kind of hateful bullshit.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Name Calling Is Also An Excercise In Futility

    by FreeBeer

    And I didn't say try to convince others round to your way of thinking till your blue in the face, I said put up a persuasive argument, and leave it at that. I didn't say you must change minds I said argue your point or simply express your view.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Freebeer

    by joshuavance1701

    You lovely talkback policeman you, I just did. heh heh

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    I say again Star Trek 2009 blu-ray dvdrip on torrents!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    It's been leaked for fucking weeks now.. the whole thing. Download that and save your fucking cash.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Is There Another Movie Site For Grown Ups..

    by FreeBeer

    ..Around Here?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Kroger = middle america = dip shit

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Is The HolodeckRip Leaked Yet?

    by FreeBeer

    My oh my I do crack myself up sometimes ho ho ho!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Who the fuck downloads blu ray torrents?

    by Tall_Boy66

    People just have blu-ray burners and blank blu-rays? I gotta wait to download 100 gigs when I can get a 700 meg rip all the same? Yeah, fuck that idea. Blu Ray torrents. Right. Blu ray torrent my balls.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    In the final analysis

    by joshuavance1701

    The bottom line with a film like Trek, is that there has always been, and always will be those smarmy , self-important faux elists that invariably appear, to be the proverbial stick in the mud. <p> When Star Wars was released, there was that select few that didn't like it. When The Empire Strikes Back was released, there were those that didn't like it. When The Godfather was released, there were those that didn't like it. When Raiders of the lost ark was released, there were those few, those squeeky few, that didn't like it. They didn't have the net back then to be loud and get the grease, but the same turgid breed has alway been there to take the wind from the sails. It's best to relegate such to the status of non-entity and be done with it.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701...

    by MisterE

    Yes, "smarmy , self-important faux elists invariably appear", and you were kind enough to herald your own arrival. Thanks for that.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    FYI.....Asshole_Lives is not the real AssholeLives<P>

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    More than welcome

    by joshuavance1701

    It's best when pontificating simple elegant truths wouldn't you say?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    theres no Spock in cave in these movies

    by Spazatronik2000

    They're pretty good! <p>Fall Of The Republic http://tinyurl.com/ylrqz4j <p>Zeitgeist http://tinyurl.com/yjvvtod <p>9/11, The Road to Tyranny http://tinyurl.com/yzn4dg9 <p>America: Freedom to Fascism http://tinyurl.com/ykp7cjx <p>ENDGAME: Blue Print for Global Enslavement http://tinyurl.com/yjewn2p <p>The Money Masters - How Int. Bankers Gained Control of America http://tinyurl.com/yzp5e3z <p>Global Warming or Global Governance http://tinyurl.com/yl4bspq <p>Al Gore Admits CO2 Does Not Cause Majority Of Global Warming www.infowars.com <p>Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire www.sott.net <p>Tortured in far-off Countries: Obama Resuming G. W. Bush's "Extraordinary Renditions" www.globalresearch.ca <p>The Obama Deception http://tinyurl.com/bzeovg <p>LBJ On JFK Assassination: ‘It’s All A Conspiracy’ www.prisonplanet.com

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Spaz is a conspiracy nut

    by Tall_Boy66

    Conspiracy nuts are inherently lame. I will never, ever visit those sites or see those movies.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    i'll take Nichelle thanks

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    i like her meat instead of lanky Zoe.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    last

    by lockesbrokenleg

    last.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:14 a.m. CST

    That Orion girl is one of my bitches!

    by Orionsangels

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    It's weird, but now I prefer Rachel Nichols with green skin

    by Orionsangels

    I have to photoshop my entire Rachel Nichols photo collection, dayum!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Oh shit, Locke like's Star Trek?

    by MattmanBegins

    Fuck, now I'm REALLY ashamed to admit I liked it.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Good Movie! What Do the Haters Want??

    by The Founder

    I'm one to accept honest problems with a film, but all this hatred on Star Trek? It's silly. Was the film perfect? No,but it was good and it made me smile a lot and it was fun. I'm sorry to the haters who want something full of sci fi babble that equals boringness.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Expert 40

    by 900LBGorilla

    First off Expert40, I never said the NG movies were any good, so your STINO assumption is- as I said before is clearly wrong and based on nothing except your inability to actually comprehend the arguments that have been made about this atrocious script-almost none of which have ANYTHING to do with “INO” arguments. The fact that you keep using the word “illogical” while not being able to evaluate the obvious differences in the arguments from the GINO crowd and the people who take this horrid movie to task is downright humorous…you don’t even get to the point of utilizing “logic” because you don’t seem to understand the facts that the logic is based upon. <p> It is also a laughable leap in “logic” to say that 95 out of 100 critics thought this was a great story. Have you ever actually READ Rotten tomatoes? The “Fresh” rating by critic does not AT ALL equate to a glowing endorsement for the story. Many reviews that get a Fresh rating like the production values, some like that it was “fun”, and some are questionable as to why the rating was said to be “Fresh” in the first place. And this was FAR from the “second best reviewed film of the year”. For that you would need to take actual RATINGS from each critic and average them not a generic “fresh” vs. “Rotten”. Your entire argument based on Rotten tomatoes is quite simply erroneous- and unfortunately that seems to be the only argument you actually have. <p> Also it is humorous for anyone to sit there and point to some generic fresh rating instead of addressing the arguments. It’s a cop out. Do I even need to repeat all the stupidity in this script? The one-cut above fart joke low brow humor from Fat hands Kirk to Scotty and the Wonka Factory; the laughably inept plot contrivances from teleporting onto a warping ship to Spock prime bumping into Kirk on the ice planet; the illogical and lame villain who goes back in time and is bent on revenge instead of saving the world that is now not yet destroyed (why is he mad again- cause his world might blow up in a couple hundred years)? The way Kirk ands Spock become friends because they are told to rather than from any actual character development. I could go on and on but why bother, you’ve read it all before- and been unable to defend it except to say that “someone else said this is a good script, so its good” <p> I also didn’t realize that you were a mind reader Expert- but note to you- your ESP-antennae is BROKEN. I wanted to like this movie. I have liked Abrams past work. I liked the idea of doing young Kirk and Co. The only thing I didn’t like- was the crappy story that was pooped onto he screen….and the fact that you compare this to Galactica says WORLDS about you’re your lack of capacity to discern quality (Galactica was DEEPER and more complex in its reincarnation- not goofier). Then again maybe I missed that scene where Fat Hands Adama ran around the bridge like a clown-parody of himself while everyone is about to die…or then again, maybe that scene wasn’t there and the TV based Galactica simply had scripts that weren’t a hackishly written as this was….Hmmm I’m not sure which…. maybe I just missed fat hands Adama?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST

    The Haters probably loved Insurrection.

    by The Founder

    TREK was dead period. I'm more then grateful that we got Trek back in the movie field. The last Trek films were extended tv episodes and was full of boring techno babble. Its no wonder they flopped. Feel bad for the Next Gen crew cause they are far far better then any of the movies they were forced into. Still don't understand how you can get a decent budget for a film and have material like Trek, where none to limited imagination is the true enemy.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy as always you rock

    by ominus

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Trek wasn't bad but it's overrated as hell

    by darthvedder81

    The "red matter" subplot just made everything messy. While it was nice to see Nimoy again I had no idea what the fuck was going on after he showed up. To compare this to Star Wars IV is stupid: that was a linear fairy tale story, "Star Trek" had more in common with an overplotted POTC movie.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4 a.m. CST

    Good and Bad Trek

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>I generally grant a new movie a certain amount of latitude; which serves to give it time to establish itself, or allow me to figure it out. Actively bad or dumb movies tend to run through my good will rather quickly.</P> <P>Speaking for myself, I didn't like Insurrection, either. They lost me when they started the HMS Pinafore sing-a-long.</P> <P>For neo-Trek, I had a similar sinking feeling by the time of Kirk's bloated hands.</P> <P>I don't know how to sugar coat this, but I found this movie to be cartoonish and childish. Not very serious at all.</P> <P>I don't object to the existence of such movies. I just wish they wouldn't slap the name Star Trek on them.</P> <P>For the record, Trek movies that I do like (that is, the positives outweigh the negatives)= TMP, TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TUC. Trek films I'm lukewarm about = Generations, FC. Trek films I don't like = Insurrection, Nemesis, XI.</P> <P>For me, there has been a definite trend downwards.</P> <P>Maybe I'm older I get, the harder to please I get, which itself is a confluence of many factors, but I don't see that as a bad thing, necessarily.</P>

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:15 a.m. CST

    I didn't like the film either, but spewing venom

    by vorlonkosh

    about it won't change anything. Yes, it was a pretty lame story. Time travel stories were always the lamest Trek shows, because they never deal with it correctly (except for Yesterday's Enterprise). If you really want to express your disgust for this movie, then don't fucking buy it and don't see the sequel. Remember, money talks and bullshit walks. That's what happened with Insurrection and Nemesis, remember?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:15 a.m. CST

    FreeBeer, now it's you taking the piss, brother!!

    by FamousEccles

    you can identify with Han Solo?? pray do tell how you can do this??

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Epic Fail---Mammaries being impregnated by his Goats.

    by Sal_Bando

    You know it's possible. Portugal is the home of the 1917 visit by the Madonna---Almada is jest down-wind, and you know a Landfill needs a blessin' once in a while. <p> Yessir. Retarded Centaurs are to be borned inside the Mammaries Hovel. Git the shovel and bring some coat-hangers.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    re green women

    by DocPazuzu

    Are haters now resorting to saying that they wouldn't have sex with green women? And that inter-species sex is a no-no? <p> Let's just skip how lame an argument that is against Star Trek and think about what it really means: <p> What these motards are saying is that if they were confronted and propositioned by an alien woman who by human standards had fantastic tits and an amazing ass, they'd turn her down because her skin had the wrong color and because inter-species sex is yucky. It's not like fucking a horse or a chicken, you know. Why not be honest with yourselves and simply admit that you think fantastic tits, amazing asses and sex with members of your OWN species is yucky? <p> Fucking losers.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Comparing it to transformers and GI joe...lmao

    by Frecklesgirl

    That sums up...whats wrong with this movie, if we have posters comparing it to silly effects driven kiddie movies....!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Haters??

    by Frecklesgirl

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Haters??

    by Frecklesgirl

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Haters??

    by Frecklesgirl

    I didnt hate the movie, it was just mindless junk! Like I dont hate McDonalds at all, but just realize its crap and low in quality going in. The lovers are trying to pretend its something that it isnt...its simply mndless crap, with a lot of shaky cam, and action to cover a lack of REAL story and real drama or depth. JJ was afraid to make a real story, so he hijacked a well known franchise and did a fast food version of our beloved science fiction story.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    what I hate most...

    by Frecklesgirl

    Is how some are all in love with this mindless junk and cant see that its just a lame story with tons of action and shaky cam and tons of plot points that make no sense. The people loving it have just loweded Star Trek to the level of a kiddie movie, and sadly adults are acting like little kids about this sad movie.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I'D LIKE TO SEE CHRIS PINE PLAY PAUL ATREIDES IN......

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    A Dune trilogy Directed by Darren Aronofsky.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu,. Motard?? a new word to use against them!!

    by FamousEccles

    cheers.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Eccles

    by DocPazuzu

    Not my word, can't take credit for it. That honor falls to LiberalWarrior.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Conspiracy, the dojo applauds - great story!<p> Freckles, instead of double posting shouldn't you be doing something useful like sucking my dick?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Assasains creed 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 out Tuesday

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    Assasins creed 2 and Left 4 Daed 2 out Tuesday. I will be gettng those instead. The stories in those games will likely make more sense than sStar Trek. Star Trek was OK and I will probably Netflix it.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    All about $$$$$

    by WASPFAN

    First Trek to make a good Box Office in awhile - they wanted to appeal to 99% not to 1% ... I thing they stole so much from SW, B5, Farscape kinda funny... Overall cheese entertainment - not intelligent scifi -- hopefully the 3rd one sets the universe back to normal -- but then that would indicate more time travel -- yuk ---

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Shouldn't have used time travel.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    The movie should have stayed away from time travel. Star Trek has used this crutch way too many times. They should have gone with a reboot. Pure and simple. I had no problem with the cast. They were pretty good. My only real issue is that the storyline was not that good. Seemed to be a science fiction salad with the ingredients being Star Wars, Star Trek II, time travel, bad sci-fi humor. All were thrown in and then tossed to make a movie. How about something original?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Herc, I'm happy you got your Orion Slave Girl Real Doll

    by Stabby

    But do you honestly think the make-up job on her in the film was acceptable?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Midpoint of the next Trek film:

    by MisterE

    Spock enters the bathroom of the Enterprise, and is confronted by a heavyset, older human. "Spock, how did you find me?!", he asks. "Excuse me, but I do not believe that I have had the pleasure of making your acquaintance.", replies Spock. "Spock, it's me, Jim!", exclaims the human. "Jim...Kirk?? I...I was searching for the Captain's Log.", stammers Spock. "That's not the log, Spock, that's the script. Or maybe it's toilet paper. No difference, really. Let's go save Vulcan!"

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Frecklesgirl and AsimovLives should hook up

    by Player_Two_has_entered_the_game

    Together they can sit in a room and hate on the new star trek until they are blue in the face. It would be sooooo cute. I do declare them Freckimov! Hope they like the irony of being compared to what they seem to hate so much. Mainstream Entertainment. Hope you will all join me in raising a glass to the happy couple. "To Freckimov!".

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    here I was hoping for a TNG Bluray

    by MurderMostFowl

    Make my dreams come true some day, Paramount. I know it will be tough, but it can be done. Think of Jean Luc!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    EXACTLY, THIS IS STAR TREK NOT TIME TREK.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Alhough that concept could rock. Anyway, I'm tired of every other movie featuring time travel. In Doctor Who it's the main conceit of the show but Star Trek should be about space exploration and encountering lots of weird shit. I'd fucking love to see them do a Star Trek Horror movie although we got a tiny bit of that in First Contact which wasn't bad, but not great either.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Stabby and Creepy Thin Man

    by Tiberius_Prime

    I thought Gaila's make-up was pretty darn acceptable, but then I have an Orion Slave Girl Fetish, I'm weird like that . Chillax they NEEDED to use time-travel just this once, I honestly doubt they'll use it again anytime soon, it was Time-Travel or a full Reboot which would have pissed off you bitches even more...maybe...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    FamousEccles, Regarding Identifying With Solo

    by FreeBeer

    I think it's obvious, I think most people will tell you that the most down to earth, maybe THE ONLY down to earth character of the lot. I don't identify with him because I too am a space smuggler obviously, but because he behaves and reacts like a human being in the larger than life situations he finds himself in. His just a guy, no mission or destiny or any of that mumbo jumbo, he's just getting on with his life trying to make a buck.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    What Was Wrong With Gaila's Make-Up?

    by FreeBeer

    May have looked like body paint (cos it was) but it was faithful to the original design, but a bit darker to make it more realistic looking. If they had given her some textured organic looking lizard skin lets say, then the fanboys would through a hissy fit.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Abrams DID prove one thing, though...

    by MisterE

    You can polish a turd, given a big enough budget.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Tiberius_Prime, I WOULD HAVE PREFERED A STRAIGHT UP REBOOT.....

    by TehCreepyThinMan

    Rather then the mindnumbingly convoluted backflips the script monkey's did. Just put the crew on the bridge and let'em rip. There's this fixation with showing how characters got to where they are today. Spider-man, X-Men, James Bond, Star Trek, Batman. I'm really getting tired of "origin stories", especially for characters that have been established for decades. In Star Trek, they waste time twisting and turning the story just to get the characters into the positions they had on the original TV series. And where do they go from here?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    entertaining but totally dumbed down trek!

    by FleshMachine

    for everything i liked there is something i didnt. -scotty should be the only transporter hero.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Forgot That Fucking Hands Thing

    by Autodidact

    I forgot about that stupid bloated hands gag. Christ that shit has no business in a Star Trek movie, or in any self-respecting movie for that matter. I found the whole bit so self-conscious, as if the director was yelling from the aisles "this is a FUN part!".. filmmaking for people who can't take anything seriously for five goddamn minutes.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    The problem with the cinematic version of the franchise

    by ominus

    is that when it first started,it tried to keep closer to the original vision of the tos series,but at the end it proved that the franchise in order to survive commercially at the cinemas,it had to restrict its content of philosophical,social and moral quest and focus mainly on the more grounded and common themes of human nature: revenge,racism,heroism,etc and ultimately the never ending battle of good vs evil. <p>just look at the st movies: <p>ST1: philosophical quest,threat on federation <p>ST2: revenge,heroism,good vs evil <p>ST3: heroism,good vs evil <p>ST4: heroism,threat on federation,small ecological message <p>ST5: philosophical quest <p>ST6: racism,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation <p>ST7: heroism,good vs evil <p>ST8: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation <p>ST9: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,small moral message <p>ST10: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation <p>ST11: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation <p>as you can see in almost all the movies,the federation is threated by the big bad guy and then our heroes come and save the day.thats the main story idea of all these movies.There are two or three movies which tried to return to their original roots and show something different,becoming more fan oriented and less mainstream,thus risking their commercial success which at the end it was proved exactly that. <p>Star Trek has the tragedy to be compared with Star Wars,a franchise which from the start,was aimed for the medium of cinema,having the clear identity of a fantasy adventure rather than a scifi adventure,and using the always lovable from the audience themes of heroism,good vs evil,saving the world,etc.And moreover SW was aimed from the start,as a series of connected movies which together were telling a bigger story,rather than individual movies which were just replaying the same main story of the world being saved by the hero from the bad guy.They were expanding the universe,they werent James Bond in space like ST. <p>On the other hand,Star Trek was a television series,focusing more on scifi rather fantasy,exploring a variety of human inquiries from philosophical to moral.And ofc the stories were individuals,each one dealing with different themes rather than telling a bigger story. <p>What the above mean,is simply this: ST can not be transfered very well into the medium of cinema,if it tries to transfer its television personality too,since its a concept created for the television only.You cant make a ST movie where Picard beats the evil alien with his intellectual weapons like in the series.The general audience is going to sleep from boredom.You want Picard to kick the aliens butt with his phaser weapons.(havent u notice how Picard is less diplomat in the movies than he is in the series?) Otherwise nobody is going to watch the film than the hardcore fans.But the real income for the ST movies come from the casual fans,and Paramount knows that,they are not idiots. <p>Thats why we are not going to watch a true ST movie,closer to what it was on the television,because frankly it means box office death for Paramount.They cant use the television concept of the series,but they can use the characters from there and explore the lovable themes of heroism,good vs evil,etc.again and again in all the movies.the list i made in the first paragraph clearly shows that this is the case even from the 80s.ST unfortunately is James Bond in space. <p>Personally i dont mind if Paramount wanted and wants that ST movies should more mainstream,more about what the general public likes and less what the hardcore fandom wants.I understand that profit must be made,after all we are talking about business.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    The Telewarp Transporter Thing

    by Autodidact

    I love how Scotty just whips up telewarp transportation at a moment's notice. They transported onto a ship that had been warping away from them for hours... that whole bit where Spock drops Kirk on the ice planet was just insultingly dumb, end-to-end.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    BUT let me suggest two things,i hope Paramount listens:

    by ominus

    <p>1.make your mainstream movies but dont make them as individual stories.follow the formula of the Star Wars franchise.make the movies in such a way that they will tell a bigger story,they will maintain a continuous progress of characterization and they will expand the rebooted universe,rather than recycling the same story in each movie,of the hero saving the world from the bad guy.I already suggested in a previous talkback to make Khan a permanent presence in this universe,rather than the next James Bond villain of the sequel. <p>2.make a fucking star trek TVSERIES FFS,which will follow the original vision of the series and will be trully for the fans.we have remakes of battlestar galactiva,V,and a lot of other scifi tvseries and we dont have ONE fucking star trek tvseries?? especially after the success of the latest st movie? what the fuck? <p>i dont care if the series is going to be prequel,sequel,spinoff,about the Prime or the Rebooted universe.just make a fucking tvseries.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    FleshMachine, Agree

    by FreeBeer

    Didn't like that Chekov sequence one bit. Didn't like Scotty much either as it happens. I like Simon Pegg but he isn't right for the role. And the midget alien was a real "Aah for fuck's sake!" for me.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    And How'd Midget Get On Enterprise?

    by FreeBeer

    Did they swing by to pick him up? Did they cast logic to the wind for the sake of that unfunny "GET DOWN!" gag?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Spock As Hormonal Shithead

    by Autodidact

    I also really hated the idea of giving Spock "character development." Yeah let's have Spock be an emotional twit in every single scene. Sets up his later growth. Fucking film school assholes can't just let Spock be Spock.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Chekov on Transporters

    by Autodidact

    I knew I wasn't the only one thinking "isn't this Scotty's gig?"

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I Could Barely Tell The Climax From Nemesis

    by Autodidact

    Seriously watch act III of Star Treks X XI back-to-back and tell me you don't get deja-vu. <p>Mind you I liked the movie on balance, it was just a very up and down experience where there was a groan-inducing moment between every moment of coolness. And beyond moments it just felt wrong a lot of the time, like I was cheating on my girlfriend with some vapid slut.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    A Tale of Two Treks

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>An idea (its not likely to happen, but here it is anyway...):</P> <P>Let's split up Trek into two parts, neo-Trek (Abrams et. al.) for the lovers of summer popcorn movies in all their cartoonish glory. And Trek 2.0 (yeah, I know, lame title): serious and well thought out. A completely new reboot, which could address all of the shortcomings (historical, scientific, etc)that popped in the previous incarnations.</P> <P>I would prefer a "separate but equal" arrangement, but I suspect that neo-Trek would bring in the lion's share of the profits. Perhaps a TV series (or, an introductory movie and then a TV series) is more appropriate for Trek 2.0.</P> <P>Food for thought on this beautiful Sunday morning.</P>

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Sorry Omnius

    by Coordinate_System

    Didn't mean to steal your idea; didn't see your post until after.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, noon CST

    Or you could just save yourself the money and tour an apple stor

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    looks just like the freaking bridge.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I Wanna See An X-Files Reboot..

    by FreeBeer

    ..If the shpw went out on a high no way, but because it went out like a sick puppy I wouldn't mind it. Same reason I didn't mind a Star Trek reboot, cos it had been shit for years a reboot had a chance of reminding people why it was great to begin with.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Learn.

    by Kefrif

    There were 76 uses of the word "Learn" in that article. Drove me fucking mad.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    MisterE

    by DrMorbius

    Kirk 'Shat' a 'Captains Log' for you. It's in the commode, Bon Appetit!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I wonder how JJ would have rebooted TNG

    by ominus

    for starts,he would have Picard with blond hair.and his favourite drink will be budweiser,than earl grey.thats a given. <P>Data as the first female sex-bot,which becomes a starfleet officer in history.she navigates the enterprise,but also satisfies the male crew of the enterprise. <P>Worf would be the first gay klingon.because of the augment virus,he doesnt have a ridged forehead,but he does have a ridged pennis.he is Picards favourite officer. <p>Laforge instead of blind,would be mute.he carries a small chalkboard which he uses to communicate with the others. <p>We dont know much about Wesley,since he is a killed in a horrible transporter accident,during the beginning of the movie.that scene,not only carries the message of the dangers of technology,but also serves as a small tribute to the trasporter accident in the TMP movie. <p>Ryker is not in the movie,since he decided to follow a career in beard contests.He has been the champion of galaxy's biggest beard for 6 times in the row. <p>Dr Crusher is enterprise's gynecologist.apart from her duties in the enterprise,she also conducts abortions for pregnant orion sex slaves. <p>Troi remains the counselor of the enterprise.the only difference with her,is that she has bigger boobs after her breast implants surgery,and wears a g-string bikini,instead of her starfleet uniform.she is the ticket seller for the movie. <p>and last we are going to have MORE COWBELLS in the rebooted movie.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    AICN Trek Haters So FUCKING OBLIVIOUS

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    They don't even realize Asimov_Lives is not the REAL AsimovLives.<br /><br />Just like they miss at least HALF the information contained in this Movie.<br /><br />HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS FILM TO YOU IMBECILES?<br /><br /> BobOrci owes me at least a $1 Double Cheeseburger at this point...<br /><br />Yet ANOTHER example, provoked by THIS Umpteenth Talkback...<br /><br />Why do you pretentious putzes, both Portuguese and Domestic, continue to insist that Kirk in this film is some "laid back frat boy" or "random cadet" the film promotes undeservedly when the film itself clearly illustrates you're WRONG?<br /><br />Kirk gets in a bar fight with Starfleet Cadets. Pike challenges him to do better than his hero Dad. Pike points out that he CAN do better. His Starfleet entrance exams are OFF THE CHARTS. He could have his own ship in four years etc etc. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and starts all over again.<br /><br />"I'll do it in Three."<br /><br />He drives to the shuttle, gives away his Tom Cruise Top Gun Motorcycle, sits down next to Leonard "Bones" McCoy, one of the truest and greatest friends he will ever have and begins to buck up and buckle down and become the man his father would have wanted him to be, the Starfleet Officer Pike has DARED him to be. <br /><br />"I'll do it in Three."<br /><br />Do you fucking morons not understand the concept of TIME PASSING OFFSCREEN? <br /><br />Do you need exciting scenes of Kirk... STUDYING?<br /><br /> Do you crave deleted scenes of Finnegan tripping him while he walks down the hallway, a book with legs?<br /><br />Does the fact that when he walks out of the building with McCoy THREE YEARS AFTER THEY MET McCoy CLEARLY STATES that Kirk's about to GRADUATE TOP OF HIS CLASS and that there's no point in retaking the Kobayashi Maru again because he's not going to beat it NOT REGISTER WITH YOU IDIOTS?<br /><br /> Doesn't the film SHOW a Title Card or something SAYING THAT IT'S THREE YEARS LATER?! I can't remember...<br /><br />Kirk has DONE EVERYTHING HE SAID HE WOULD DO. Everything he was dared to do. EVERYTHING HE WAS MEANT TO DO.<br /><br />And tapped some green ass and eaten an apple while doing it. And this isn't enough for you people?<br /><br />1960's Shatner's allowed to be young and cocky and smug and arrogant and Pine isn't?<br /><br />AssesofgoatsLives gets away with calling this Dawson's Trek even though Pine is less than five years younger than Shatner was when he started playing Kirk and Quinto is OLDER than Nimoy was when he started playing Spock?<br /><br />HE SAVED THE PLANET EARTH for the first of many times to come. Pike recommends him for promotion. Spock hands him the fucking keys.<br /><br /> And Oh by the way: IT'S A DIFFERENT KIRK IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING TIMELINE IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING UNIVERSE!<br />And that isn't enough for you canon craving minutia masturbating MORONS? You demand KIRK, THE EARLY DAYS: FIVE YEARS ON THE FARRAGUT or nothing?<br /><br />Go write some fanfic. Make your own reboot Ed Wood style with tinfoil and a burning pieplate. Do Something besides REVEAL over and over again that YOU WANTED TO HATE THIS MOVIE from the moment it was announced and DIDN'T BOTHER PAYING ATTENTION to a script that is demonstrably SMARTER than you are in the way it quickly communicates information and in-jokes in a way that won over critics, non Trekkers and Trekkers with an open mind alike. <br /><br />I REPEAT in case you missed it in one of the other talkbacks: Even if YOU ADJUST FOR INFLATION this is the most successful Star Trek film ever made. It beats ST:TMP by over a $100 MILLION and is close to $150 MILLION.<br /><br />EVERYONE Loves It But YOU.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    ominus...

    by MisterE

    The rebooted TNG theme will be PLAYED with cowbells! <p> As an aside, I rewatched most of "Star Trek: TMP" (the first film) a few days ago. They must play the theme that eventually became TNG theme 100 times in that film!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    cymbal

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Congrats Buddy, you've seen strengths in that film that possibly nobody else in the entire universe has seen. I have realised from your diatribe that this is up there with Citizen Kane and I thank you for educating me. You are THE ONE.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    They could have told Kirk's Farragut years in a comic...

    by MisterE

    ...and then ignored it like they did the comic tie-ins for this movie.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Puzzles Me

    by 2LeggedFreak

    You know I am not some over jizzing geek that is affronted by things that don't exactly fit canon. But I must confess that, per cymbals point, (and exactly the same same happened with Superman Returns), I for the life of me can't see where the critics get their huge enthusiasm from for films like ST or SR. Is there some conspiracy theory or do hard core fans expect more from their Sci-Fi and Fantasy than the general public. Very confused.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Typical AICN talkbackers

    by knowthyself

    First you love it then you hate it. Like with everything else.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Typical AICN talkbackers

    by knowthyself

    First you love it then you hate it. Like with everything else.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    cymbal4

    by DrMorbius

    I noted earlier in this TB that Asimov_Lives was not the real AssholeLives.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Khan will pilot a 1968 Chrysler Imperial...

    by MisterE

    ...with a tinted windshield and retractable headlights. He will hate Kirk because he crashed that beautiful Corvette when he was a kid.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    MisterE, you forgot the Corinthian Leather!

    by StarWarsRedux

    Or did the Imperial have that? Who cares. Roll those R's!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Dr Morbius.

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Yes YOU Did Notice that. <br /><br />After HOURS of DOZENS of Other Haters NOT NOTICING. <br />Thereby PROVING my POINT...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Here's a Balanced View (says I)...

    by Mazzer

    OK, I'm not calling the film shit, and yes, millions did like it. Why? Because it's written for the lowest common denominator, i.e. the 15-year old summer blockbuster crowd. Since they also factored in some Trek lore, a lot of casual Trek fans also found it entertaining. I was amused by bits myself. So yeah, it wildly achieved it's goal of making huge profits for the studio and entertaining kids who wouldn't otherwise watch ST. <p> But like some of you in this talkback, I wanted a story for adults. Something like the thoughtful science fiction in the classic TV shows. Sure, put in a new young crew, redesign the look of Star Trek, I'm good with that. But we just wanted something... intelligent. Now, some will argue that by making a Trek movie that's a funny, shoot-em-up, dumbed down, action blockbuster, it brings new life to the franchise. I'm sure that's true. That would be fine if it meant we'd also see some Star Trek that brings intelligent adult science fiction too, but it looks more likely that we'll just see more of the same Transformers 2 mentality, with recycled Khan or whatever.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Seriously lockesbrokenleg?

    by 900LBGorilla

    Lockes- “Whedon is the real person fans should shit on Buffy, come on, it sucked ass. Firefly? Overrated shit. Serenity? God Awful "movie". Dollhouse? Soap with sci fi things in it. “ <p> Are you KIDDING? I’m not a “Whedonite” as I’ve never bothered with Buffy or Dollhouse and came to Firefly years after it was cancelled, but you think THIS was good and Firefly was over-rated? WOW. The firefly show was freaking brilliant. It was well written, didn’t treat its characters as caricatures and had nothing approaching the childish humor and massive plot holes of this film. “Serenity” may have been merely good, but that places that film miles past this dreck.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I imagine...

    by FSJGuy

    If The Godfather was made today, 99% of Aintitcool posters would call it shit to make themselves feel smart...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...has won the talkback.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I'm buying the Blu-Ray

    by SithMenace

    and I also own Wrath of Khan. Just because you like one doesn't mean you have to hate the other. I think TWOK will always be the ultimate Trek film, but I'm happy that a)TOS is back, and b)we're not being spoonfed a steady diet of systematically made Berman-Trek anymore.How many of those terrible TNG movies did they think they could churn out before everyone noticed it was dying? And the worst part? They were surprised when it ended. They actually thought they were doing good. Embarassing.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    2 Legged Freak

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    And actually as a great fan of Orson Welles and CITIZEN KANE, I enjoy using that film as my GO TO EXAMPLE whenever people point out "flaws" in a film detracting from their enjoyment. And have done so in a previous Star Trek Talkback...<br /><br />I love Citizen Kane. Do you? Millions of people do. Haven't checked the Tomatometer, but it's come in #1 on the Sight and Sound List chosen by film critics and film makers every ten years for a long while now...<br /><br />But have you ever noticed that Bernstein relates to the reporter a conversation between Kane and Leland and the old guy at the newspaper that HE COULDN'T HAVE HEARD BECAUSE HE WAS WALKING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING WITH THE FURNITURE MOVERS WHILE IT WAS TAKING PLACE?<br /><br />Or that the reporter's questioning of Jed Leland leads into the famous "Breakfast Table" Montage of Kane having numerous arguments with his wife... none of which... Leland was present for?<br /><br /> ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE CHARLES FOSTER KANE CAME TO WORK EVERY DAY AND DISCUSSED EACH AND EVERY ARGUMENT HE HAD WITH HIS WIFE OVER A SPAN OF SEVERAL YEARS, IF NOT DECADES, WITH HIS OLD PAL JED LELAND?<br /><br />It's also not enough for Welles to cut to flashbacks that characters aren't present for. He has to cut to flashbacks that characters ARE present for and show them from a different vantage point.<br /><br />Like that famous backstage shot of the camera rising up into the wings to show one stagehand turning to another and holding his nose during Susan's performance. How does Leland know that happened if he was out in the audience?<br /><br />How does he know how Kane reacted to his review if he was passed out drunk while Kane was reading it?<br /><br />For that matter: How does ANYONE know Kane's last word was ROSEBUD when NOONE was in the Room when he died?<br /><br />You think Lens Flares are bad? How about that shot of the bird screaming where you can see right through it's EYE? Or that pterodactyls are flying through one of the nature scenes because they used stock footage from KING KONG?<br /><br />Orson Welles? What a shitty filmmaker! How could so many people fall for this crapfest? It's worse than Abrams!<br /><br />Now I've got to go rewatch DR. STRANGELOVE and look for flaws since someone threw down that gauntlet earlier... ;^)

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Thanks.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by SithMenace

    is my hero. <p>Seriously, all of you Abrams hating canon-ite rogue non-conformist wannabes need to just accept the fact that Trek is popular again, like it was in the glory days of the 80's.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    One Last Thing...

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Have any of you haters considered that Abrams and Orci and crew gave us a Star Wars-esque rise so they can give us an Empire-esque fall?<br /><br />Maybe Kirk ISN'T ready?<br /><br /> Maybe his crew has no clue what they're going to come up against? Klingons,Khan whatever...<br /><br /> Maybe this young crew will be tested and tried and he'll need the logic of Spock and the wisdom of McCoy and the technical no-how of Scotty etc etc to pull his and their asses out of the fire?<br /><br />Wouldn't THAT be a hell of a sequel?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    what a bunch of....

    by dilbynuggets

    whiny, fucked, moldy, stuck-up, vomit licking, rotted cunts, you are. I spew semen in your cornflakes and tell you it's honey. You stink of pus-encrusted weeping sores, and you all deserve to be shot and pissed on. By the way, the new Star Trek is brilliant and nothing anything you ignorant sons of bitches and scions of bastards say, will make me feel any different. Fuck all of you, fuck you in your ugly asses.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    900LBGorilla

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Firefly was shit, and Whedon was reusing ideas by episode 3. I also hated how the little superhero girl saved everyone in every episode. Shit.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    THE KLINGON EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

    by Tiberius_Prime

    With STAR WARS and STAR TREK having so many similarities (which is not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned, they almost feel like 'brother' movies) What would an Empire-esque Sequel be like?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil your use of the Tu Quoque argument

    by ominus

    is not valid when discussing art.You simply can not justify the flaws of one movie,because another movie has also flaws.If i follow the logic of your argument,then Transformers 2 is justified for its flaws,because Citizen Kane has flaws. <p>Every movie is judged as an individual piece of work,with the artist solely responsible for it.JJ can not use Orson Wells as an excuse for his directional work on his work.Unless you can argue that it was Orson who somehow influenced JJ to use flare light in his scenes. <p>so please try a better defensive route for Star Trek.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Lucas admitted he was a Trek fan

    by lockesbrokenleg

    in fact Roddenberry showed up to the first Star Wars convetion in 1987, and even went on stage to greet Lucas.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Thats ironic since Lucas with his SW killed the

    by ominus

    serious scifi genre.oh well.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Roddenberry also admitted he was a huge Wars fan

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It was the first con where Lucas actually showed up. I wonder if it's on Youtube?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Fascinating.

    by Briannicus

    having watched EVERY Star Trek movie committed to film (each time during the original release of each movie) I have wtahced EVERY single epidsode of TOS, a good amount of TNG, Voyager and DS9...I think I may just be qualified to offer an opinion of this new movie. I enjoyed it, despite any lapses in logic (which Star Trek as a whole has been riddled with) I think it probably is the most entertaining of all the films. Before the flaming beings, Let me say this....Wrath of Khan comes in as a close second. Allow me to elaborate. WOK has some wonderful suspense, some great comedic moments, but it has it's weaknesses too, unfortunatelu it does seems to bog down too much at certain points. There are high and low points to most of the Trek movies (Strat Trek 5: the search for God, should not have been made...PERIOD) Although I enjoyed TNG well enough, most of the movies done under that banner were a bit sub-par considering the franchise pedigree. As far as the new Trek and it's detractors are concerned. So many have not given "logical" reasons why they do not like it. For starters, we have those who are pissed because events do not transpire the way they were "originally" supposed to. The whole conceit of this movie is how ceetain events shape the people involved.) Kirk reacts differently due to what happens to his parents etc etc. The movie explores how the change in one timeline will ultimately effect everything in it's path. It also plays with the idea that no matter how much things change in that timeline that there are some constants that will always be there (Kirk and Spock being friends the Enterprise crew getting together.) The idea was even played with in the Episode Amok Time where even in an alternate universe the core crew were STILL together (even if they were on a different side) New Trek plays with ideas that have been introduced previously. I like the idea of following a crew who's very existence has been altered due to time travel. I'd like to follow that for awhile without the option of the almighty reset button to set everything back to the way it's supposed to be. If you don't like the movie, that's your option, but give me "logical" reasons as to why it doesn't work. Or just keep your mouth shut and find another talkback to troll.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    briannicus watching everything which has the

    by ominus

    name star trek,does not give gravitas to your opinion.simply as that.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    If a hardcore Trek fan's opinion does not have "gravitas"

    by rogueleader66

    Then neither do the opinions of non trek fans or casual fans, or those who like to use fancy words like gravitas. Simple as that.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Even the haters are obsessed with Star Trek

    by cgih8r

    They can't stop talking about it, because deep down they liked it. Best blockbuster of the year!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Lens flares and shaky cam

    by rogueleader66

    Almost every detractor of this movie makes a huge stinking deal out of those two things. So you're telling me those two things make the move bad? They must because every person who dislikes this movie mentions that. Sure, detractors have mentioned numerous other reasons why they don't like the movie. But why are lens flares and shaky cam such a big fucking deal? How do they contribute to the movie being bad? It's just a filming technique you don't like, it hardly makes the movie bad.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams to direct Transformers 3

    by cgih8r

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>”HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS FILM TO YOU IMBECILES?”</P> <P>At least once more.</P> <P>”BobOrci owes me at least a $1 Double Cheeseburger at this point...”</P> <P>And I’m sure that you’ve earned every cent.</P> <P>”Why do you pretentious putzes, both Portuguese and Domestic, continue to insist that Kirk in this film is some "laid back frat boy" or "random cadet" the film promotes undeservedly when the film itself clearly illustrates you're WRONG?”</P> <P>Because that is how he is written.</P> <P>”Kirk gets in a bar fight with Starfleet Cadets. Pike challenges him to do better than his hero Dad. Pike points out that he CAN do better. His Starfleet entrance exams are OFF THE CHARTS. He could have his own ship in four years etc etc. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and starts all over again. He drives to the shuttle, gives away his Tom Cruise Top Gun Motorcycle, sits down next to Leonard "Bones" McCoy, one of the truest and greatest friends he will ever have and begins to buck up and buckle down and become the man his father would have wanted him to be, the Starfleet Officer Pike has DARED him to be. Do you fucking morons not understand the concept of TIME PASSING OFFSCREEN? Do you need exciting scenes of Kirk... STUDYING? Do you crave deleted scenes of Finnegan tripping him while he walks down the hallway, a book with legs? Does the fact that when he walks out of the building with McCoy THREE YEARS AFTER THEY MET McCoy CLEARLY STATES that Kirk's about to GRADUATE TOP OF HIS CLASS and that there's no point in retaking the Kobayashi Maru again because he's not going to beat it NOT REGISTER WITH YOU IDIOTS? Doesn't the film SHOW a Title Card or something SAYING THAT IT'S THREE YEARS LATER?! I can't remember...”</P> <P>If memory serves, I believe there was a title card stating 3 years had passed, or it was mentioned in the dialog. This is not in dispute. Time may have passed but Kirk is written as being the exact same character. I perceived no character development between Iowa Kirk and Academy Kirk. This was very evident to me. Perhaps I have an overly idealized view of the military academies, but if Starfleet Academy is anything like West Point or Annapolis, then Kirk wouldn’t have lasted three months let alone three years. They wouldn’t have put up with him. There is a lot of growth that goes in that time. Usually for the better. Kirk, outwardly, displayed none of this.</P> <P>”AssesofgoatsLi ves gets away with calling this Dawson's Trek even though Pine is less than five years younger than Shatner was when he started playing Kirk and Quinto is OLDER than Nimoy was when he started playing Spock?”</P> <P>I have no problem with Quinto or Pine. Just how they were written.</P> <P>”HE SAVED THE PLANET EARTH for the first of many times to come. Pike recommends him for promotion. Spock hands him the fucking keys. And Oh by the way: IT'S A DIFFERENT KIRK IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING TIMELINE IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING UNIVERSE!”</P> <P>Universes come and go, but personal standards need not. This movie didn’t meet mine.</P> <P>”Go write some fanfic. Make your own reboot Ed Wood style with tinfoil and a burning pieplate. Do Something besides REVEAL over and over again that YOU WANTED TO HATE THIS MOVIE from the moment it was announced and DIDN'T BOTHER PAYING ATTENTION to a script that is demonstrably SMARTER than you are in the way it quickly communicates information and in-jokes in a way that won over critics, non Trekkers and Trekkers with an open mind alike.”</P> <P>Actually, I went in thinking that there was a good chance it would be good, based on what little I saw in the trailers. Needless to say, it failed. Open-mindedness is a good thing. But not to the point where one’s brain falls out.</P> <P>”EVERYONE Loves It But YOU.”</P> <P>That may be, but that doesn’t make them right.</P>

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    CGIh8r

    by rogueleader66

    Agreed, 7 freaking months after the movie's release and the detractors are still talking about it. They want everyone to hate it like they do, or they want to make those who like it feel like idiots for liking it. Or maybe they want to convince those who liked it that it sucks, but they can't, and they won't that's what they don't realize. On the other hand, those of us who like it will never convince those who didn't to like it. It is an endless cycle of pointless arguments that usually end up with a lot of childish insults being thrown around. It's entertaining at times. but mostly just dumb.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    JJ's Transformers would be great

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Shia would have father issues, and Optimus would become his guardian.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Red Matter

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    Not only are black holes not time portals, but why hasn't anyone pointed out that a major plot hole is the explanation of what red matter and where it came from is. I hated this movie on the first viewing, but went to see it at the discount theatre and thought it was a bit more fun. It's not the greatest movie ever, or even the best Star Trek movie ever, but it's ok. I'd rather watch Wrath of Khan or First Contact any day. I still can't buy into the idea that Kirk would be promoted to Captain so quickly, especially after being insubordinate. This makes starfleet seem like they reward bad behavior. And I may be the only one out here who didn't buy Karl Urban as Bones. It seemed to me like a bad caricature, not a genuine performance. And I always thought McCoy got his nickname because he was a "Sawbones", which would be old school slang for a surgeon. I hope the second film is a great deal smarter than the first, and doesn't become the Star Trek version of "Quantum Of Solace", where they make the follow up appeal to the WWE crowd, with lots of shootin' and killin'.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    FreeBeer, don't be a langer!! Identify with Han Solo??

    by FamousEccles

    next you'll be telling us your off to "find yourself"!! :)

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66 i am a big fan of st,not a

    by ominus

    hardcore,but i have never used that as an argument to support my opinion.i speak based on what i see and i never think myself as an authoritative voice of truth. <p>in fact reasoning like Brianicus',is the one that leads to the diminish of the opinions of the more casual fans.not the opposite.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I'm trying to adress the argument that what's FLAWED about a movie somehow supercedes or negates what's GOOD about a movie.<br /><br />AICN Talkbackers, like geeks of any stripe, never cease in their ability to NITPICK. No film is perfect. CITIZEN KANE isn't. Neither was STAR TREK or THE DARK KNIGHT. And AVATAR sure as shit won't be a perfect film either. I can state that with absolute certainty and I've barely even watched the trailers. You can always find SOMETHING in any movie that doesn't work for YOU.<br /><br />But when Haters of this movie stoop to demanding that a fictional 23rd Century Space Exploration agency conform to the rules of 20th Century military protocol in terms of promotions and discipline and everything else, how can ANYONE take them seriously?<br /><br />"My Uncle Gomer was in Vietnam and he said Kirk would never have been promoted that way in real life!" WTF?<br /><br />Or when Trekkies or Trekkers or Trekkoids or Trekkites or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves demand that any incarnation of Star Trek conform to their precious "canon" ie 40 years of Made Up on the Fly Technobabble Horseshit,or even worse... ACTUAL SCIENCE? I don't know whether to Laugh or Cry. <br /><br />"A BLACK HOLE IS NOT A TIME PORTAL!" they insist, pounding the computer desk in front of them, knocking over half full cans of Mountain Dew Voltage and disturbing the new layer of Cheeto Dust falling like freshly driven snow on their mountainous manboobs...<br /><br />Oh really? Spend alot of time around black holes do you? Your Aunt Edna and Uncle Obadiah went through one on their honeymoon? You don't say! <br /><br />And slingshotting around the sun IS a more effective method of time displacement? I have an idea: why don't we put you and kwisatzhaderach and AsimovLives and anyone else who wants to tag along on deep freeze for 300 years, thaw you out, strap you into whatever space vehicle our grandkid's grandkids are using and SLINGSHOT YOU AROUND THE SUN AND RIGHT INTO A BLACK HOLE?<br /><br />Either one of two things will happen: You can go back in time and prevent Abrams TREK reboot and it's 300 years of holographic virtual reality sequels, reboots and re-reboots FROM EVER OCCURING AT ALL... <br /><br />OR you can all argue about how the Black Hole doesn't remotely resemble what your Cousin Ichabod's back issues of OMNI said it would look like as you and your opinions cease to exist...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    I agree Azimovneeds to do a commentary

    by 900LBGorilla

    "Asimov Lives should record a commentary by lockesbrokenleg Nov 14th, 2009 05:46:23 PM so we can download it and watch it with the movie." <p> That would be hilarious (though I would agree with him)

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    And here's the funny thing...

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    While I was busy typing all that TWO more people complained about Kirk being promoted to Captain!<br /><br />When did Starfleet Academy become West Point or Annapolis? IT DOESN'T EXIST!<br /><br />Have you never heard of a BATTLEFIELD PROMOTION?<br /><br />Pike handed the Captain's chair to Spock and PROMOTED KIRK TO FIRST OFFICER. It's... Right... There...in...the Dialogue!<br /><br />Spock relinquishes command because of emotional problems and makes Kirk the new C.O. It's...right...there...on...the Screen!<br /><br />They're not making a cadet into a Captain at the end of the movie. He IS Captain as long as Pike and Spock are incapacitated.<br /><br /> What movie did you people see? WERE THERE REELS MISSING?!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    ominous

    by ReportAbuse

    Re: TV Trek vs. movie Trek. Don't forget that one BIG reason why tv Trek plots are usually more "intellectual" and diplomatic is the budget constraints. Shoot-em-ups are expensive, it's much cheaper to talk out plot resolutions. Thus the appearance of a more diplomatic and thoughtful Picard for instance.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Citizen Kane

    by ReportAbuse

    I never thought about the logic issues involving Leland and what he couldn't have known ... just assumed (w/o really thinking about it) that the film went back and forth between Leland's p.o.v. and the omniscient narrator p.o.v. There are other little flaws in CK that do stick out more (viz. Welles' use of KING KONG flying reptile footage in the background of one of his shots, lol) and though I enjoy the flick I think it's overrated. I much prefer Touch of Evil, if I had to pick a favorite Welles picture.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil, can we be friends?

    by FamousEccles

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000

    by 900LBGorilla

    You have a legitimate request for people to budge a little in their dislike for a basic action flick <p> I think this movie was terrible, but I could have liked a popcorn “Action Trek”. That’s actually what I expected going in. <p> Unfortunately, this was just terrible even for a popcorn flick. The humor was just too stupid, the contrivances were too lazy and utterly “suspension of belief” killing, and the action actually wasn’t very good or at all dramatic (except the opening scene which gave me false hope for the rest of the film). <p> This utter failure of a film really had nothing other than great production values and decent picks for the young crew…. <p> mean they dumbed down Star Trek into an action flick- OK that could be fun too, but at least make it a GOOD action flick…. JJ didn’t (The atrocious script made that impossible) that’s why the film sucked.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    The Rosebud question

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Wasn't the nurse with Kane when he died? She could have heard him say Rosebud?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    He says it. Drops the snowglobe. THEN the nurse walks into the room.<br /><br />The Butler claims he overheard it, but he's not in the room either.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by rogueleader66

    Point taken and well made, and without being a smartass, my apologies for being one.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Maybe the nurse was in the hallway coming in and she heard it?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    More Rosebud Fun Facts

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Welles said that his co-writer Herman J Mankiewicz came up with Rosebud. He always thought it was corny. And the cowriter called it Rosebud as a joke because he heard that was Hearst's pet name for Marion Davies' genitalia...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Rosebud...

    by ThereWolf

    The butler. I know we didn't see him in the room, doesn't mean he wasn't there.<p>Doesn't he also say that he heard Kane say 'rosebud' "that other time too..."? So maybe Kane said it again on his deathbed...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    my comment

    by dilbynuggets

    fuck of you fucking fucks!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6 p.m. CST

    900LB vagina

    by dilbynuggets

    Ohhh what a nancy boy, I bet he likes it up the bum, faggy fag fag, he sucks farts out of dead bears, eats his mom for nickels...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Oh boy

    by rogueleader66

    More intelligent comments from the idiot section. Bravo. The handicapped need their say as much as any of us.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    The Butler Did It

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    You're right. The Butler must have been in the room even though the film doesn't show him being there. And the reporter doesn't seem to believe him. <br /><br />Maybe the Butler was hiding under Kane's table during all those arguments and hanging out up in the wings during Susan's opera performance on his day off too.<br /><br />The point is: Welles is a magician and the whole film is a magic trick that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny in certain particulars.<br /><br />But it Works. For millions of people. So does Abrams' Trek. That may be the only thing they have in common. But to ignore flaws in one while eviscerating flaws in another shows the subjectivity of one's opinion on plot holes, correct?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    The Nurse and Butler took notes

    by lockesbrokenleg

    That's why the reporter has all that info.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    FreeBeer- I’m actually not taking the piss

    by 900LBGorilla

    Yes I think the action in Star Trek was far worse than Transformers 2 (except the initial Start Trek Battle which was great). The rest was just awful. <p> I also do think Star Trek had worse humor overall. Yes, the racial stereotypes were far more OFFENSIVE than anything in trek (It was Chris Rock level), but the human humor in T2 was passable. The Star Trek Humor was almost all insufferable crap. Fat Hands Kirk to Wonka=Scotty- it was just horrible. <p> Also yes the turning points far were worse in Star Trek- the old robot was bad, but not as bad as Spock basically condemning Kirk to death with the ejection based on their whining match, the Kirk in Phantom Menace scene (Which was horrible in the Phantom Menace so why it was reproduced is just mind boggling), to Kirk stumbling on to Spock Prime, and the friendship of Kirk/Spock being kicked off by Spock Prime TELLING them - hey you are friends….Oh really…cool. The Transporting onto a warping ship was an inexcusably piss poor contrivance to basically reboot the hoth storyline, and the Kirk/Cadet to Caption was just horrid. Also the entire motivation for the villain being pissed about his dead planet is silly- It’s now not necessarily doomed since he’s in the past, but he hasn’t figured that out I all the years he‘s been hanging out. At almost every turn Star Trek made little sense and had Prequel George Lucas level contrivances. It was awful. <p> Now I will say that I certainly would not call someone out for thinking Trek was better than Transformers 2, but I find the point very debatable - I felt I had wasted $10 less after seeing the latter.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    CAPTAIN KIRK

    by Tiberius_Prime

    He saved the ENTIRE federation by defeating Nero, who said that he was gonna fuck the federation up one planet at a time. And he doesn't deserve his own ship? And the Federation wouldn't want someone who just saved the Entire Federation out there to save the day next time?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    The Oakland Raiders

    by Spazatronik2000

    are real good.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I'm just tickled...

    by ThereWolf

    to see Citizen Kane & Star Trek mentioned in the same breath.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Spaz

    by MacReady452

    what game r u watching? they are loosing to 1 of the worst teams in the league

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    The Difference between 900LBGorilla and Nero

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Okay so you wouldn't be pissed if some alien came to you, told you earth was going to be destroyed but not to worry he had a magical fix that would save you and the Earth, but then the senile old bastard didn't show up on time...and everyone you have ever met, your entire family and you're pregnant wife were all incinerated...you wouldn't be pissed off? not even a bit? Okay well lets pretend that you aren't, you'd at least like an explanation right? Okay so you go to see this Old Prick who let you down and lo and behold he has just created a blackhole that sucks your ship in and sends it back in time 154 years. Is your pregnant wife alive here in the past? no she hasn't even been born yet. You still not upset, not even a little bit? Well I guess you and Nero are just very different people.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    or losing

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Even if Nero created another blackhole there is no way for him to navigate his way back to 2387, the Narada unfortunately does not have a flux capacitor and nifty control board where you punch in dates, he could end up anywhere or when.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    This movie would have been awesome...

    by JonQuixote

    ...if it wasn't so dumb. But it was really, really dumb. I can understand not wanting a STAR TREK reboot to be dry and brainy, but did it have to be dumb? Everything else about it was pretty awesome though. But yeah, dumb.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Also 900LBGorilla

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Spock didn't condemn Kirk to death by stuffing him in a pod and blasting him down to delta vega. The Pods computer told Kirk to stay put and await retrieval, he chose to go outside, that's on him, not Spock.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Pod Computer to Kirk

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Location: Delta Vega Class M Planet. Unsafe. Remain in your Pod until retrieved by Starfleet Authorities.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Frat Boy

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Could be possible that Kirk seems laid back at the Academy because he is "GENIUS LEVEL" and doesn't actually have to try that hard?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Could *IT be possible....

    by Tiberius_Prime

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Glee Trek was great. i loved the musical numbers

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I PRAY NETFLIX SHIPS THIS TOMORROW

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    How Can This Be Fabulous, When This Movie Sucked!!!

    by Media Messiah

    It was was TV standard (quality) at best, and had a script that was one of the worst scripts, for a so-called blockbuster, ever written?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg I don’t think you even watched firefly

    by 900LBGorilla

    1. What was Whedon re-using by ep 3? <p> 2. You “hated how the the little superhero girl saved everyone in every episode. Shit“.??? <p> That’s funny, because the “little superhero girl” saves the crew twice. Other than that she appeared was more of a liability than the savior. If “Firefly” was more like “Serenity” where she really was a superhero, I’d agree with you a bit more. I found Serenity merely good- and am not that fond of the “little superhero girl”, but the episodes of Firefly have many crew-members saving the day at different points. And unlike Star Trek they were great characters- not goofy CARICATURES.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    WORST SCRIPT EVER WRITTEN?!

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Clearly you don't read many scripts...if any.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    I feel like I'm Trapped in GROUNDHOG DAY

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    It doesn't matter how many times I explain these things, you people come back and repeat them.<br /><br />900LBGorilla: Why do you and SpazimovLives and seemingly countless other Aint it Cool(to have an an Uninformed Opinion)talkbackers think Spock has "basically condemned Kirk to death"?<br /><br />By sending his escape pod to the nearest planet with a STARFLEET BASE on it?<br /><br />Did you not hear the escape pod's computer TELL KIRK TO SIT TIGHT because Starfleet personnel are AWARE OF HIS LOCATION and COMING TO RESCUE HIM? <br /><br />Kirk makes the choice to say "Fuck This" and leave the pod. Because he knows the Starfleet guys are going to arrest and confine him. <br /><br />I AGREE. The Ice planet sequences are the "weakest" part of the film, in terms of coincidences, plot contrivances, whatever you want to call them. But I have yet to hear ANY of you haters come up with a better solution.<br /><br />Do you WANT Kirk to freeze to death or be eaten by the monster? Or sit out the rest of the movie in a brig waiting to be court martialed?<br /><br />Do you NOT want Spock Prime in this movie? Do you not see the value of having Spock Prime provide EXPOSITION in that "fascinating" way Nimoy has always been able to do, since the TV series began? (Apparently NOT since I spend half these Star Trek Talkbacks REPEATING what Spock Prime SHOWS AND TELLS Kirk (and the Audience)in the Mind Meld. Were you Haters too busy grumbling to yourselves to PAY ATTENTION?<br /><br />Do you NOT want Scotty in this movie? Do you not recognize the comic relief Simon Pegg provides after the destruction of Vulcan and the inter-crew turmoil of the previous few scenes? He makes us smile again and helps Kirk save the day. It's a wonderful tribute to Jimmy Doohan and Pegg milks it for all it's worth.<br /><br />And the pointlessness of Nero's revenge IS THE POINT. He's so overcome with rage and grief and his inability to save Romulus that he doesn't seem to know or care that THIS ISN'T HIS TIMELINE. IT ISN'T EVEN HIS UNIVERSE. He and Spock have NO WAY OF GETTING BACK and fixing things. THERE IS NO RESET BUTTON. So he wants to destroy other lives the way his life was destroyed. That's pretty much it.<br /><br />Does Trans Warp Beaming make sense? Sure. About as much sense as Chekov and his Captain BEAMING DOWN TO THE WRONG FUCKING PLANET in The Wrath of Khan. And you Haters ate that Horseshit up like it was Death By Chocolate. Once again. With Emphasis. FUCK YOU.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Gid yes, I suffered through Firefly

    by lockesbrokenleg

    When you fuckers were saying shit like, "Firefly is the greatest thing since air." I bought the DVD set, and trudged through those tepid episodes. Blech.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Tiberius_Prime

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    You expained the pod thing much more concisely while I was typing. <br /><br />But of course I've already explained it in the previous dozen Trek talkbacks...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil

    by Tiberius_Prime

    I swear it's like half of these cocksuckers were to busy hating this movie to pay attention.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg is the devil

    by Spazatronik2000

    burn him at the stake!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Tiberius_Prime

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    If AsimovLives watched the DVD cranked up with portuguese subtitles on and an annotated copy of the screenplay in his lap, he'd still have trouble following the plot.<br /><br />"Some people, if they don't know, there's no way you can tell 'em."-Louis Armstrong

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Have Fun Everyone

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I'm watching THE PRISONER on AMC and heading over to THE PRISONER Talkback...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    cymbalta

    by rogueleader66

    Your point on TWOK is right on the money, I talked about that in a post in another Trek TB, and funny how whenever I make a valid point as I have done many times, it gets totally ignored, NO ONE responds to it. Curious (as Spock would say). I love TWOK, it's my favorite Trek movie. But if we are gonna nitpick at every little thing like the detractors do, then lets do that. <P>When the Reliant enters the Ceti Alpha system, are we to believe that NOBODY on the Reliant noticed that there was an ENTIRE PLANET missing? Are we to believe that there were no scans made when they entered the system? That's a pretty big hole isn't it?<P>My point is and I am sure you agree, is that there are inconsistencies/plot holes in just about every movie if we really wanted to nitpick and point out every flaw in all of these movies. I agree that it seems like no attention was paid by these detractors during some points in the movie. Now I am not saying that the detractors don't have any valid points, they do. But for whatever reason they feel like they need to pick apart every last thing about this movie because they didn't like it, and that's fine. But make valid points, ones that are not so easily disputed.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    it's BECAUSE I WAS LOADED OKAY!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>”When did Starfleet Academy become West Point or Annapolis? IT DOESN'T EXIST!”</P> <P>You don’t say! Starfleet Academy may not exist, unfortunately, but West Point and Annapolis do. And I think its legitimate to use them to compare to how a fictional military academy is portrayed.</P> <P>”Have you never heard of a BATTLEFIELD PROMOTION? Pike handed the Captain's chair to Spock and PROMOTED KIRK TO FIRST OFFICER. It's... Right... There...in...the Dialogue!”</P> <P>So, a third year cadet (Kirk hadn’t graduated at this point, in fact he up for disciplinary action, and likely wouldn’t have graduated, cheating, I’m sure, is frowned upon), is promoted to first officer. No one more experienced or more senior was available? They went out on an actual mission with nothing but cadets? Or was everybody more senior killed in action? Whatever the case, its some coincidence! Doesn’t that strike anybody as the least bit odd? True, Kirk Classic went out with a “boat load of children” in TWOK, but it was supposed to be a training cruise. Not defending TWOK on this issue, just pointing out some of the differences.</P> <P>”Spock relinquishes command because of emotional problems and makes Kirk the new C.O. It's...right...there...on...th e Screen! They're not making a cadet into a Captain at the end of the movie. He IS Captain as long as Pike and Spock are incapacitated.”</P> <P>Sure, I’ve heard of Battlefield promotions (actually, this is more of a “Jumpstep promotion”, since he is skipping a few ranks), and eventually was acting CO of the Enterprise. Question is, would he stay CO? The CO of the Enterprise is who the Admiralty says it is. Surely Starfleet has a list of officers who could take over. They wouldn’t just award it like a prize or a thank you gift. Since we’re dealing with fiction, all of could be written away. But that’s kind of the problem, isn’t it?</P> <P>”What movie did you people see? WERE THERE REELS MISSING?!”</P> <P>The same movie that you did. There were no reels missing, just Due Diligence on the part of the Filmmakers.</P> <P>”Does Trans Warp Beaming make sense? Sure. About as much sense as Chekov and his Captain BEAMING DOWN TO THE WRONG FUCKING PLANET in The Wrath of Khan. And you Haters ate that Horseshit up like it was Death By Chocolate.”</P> <P>In TWOK, they beamed down from Orbit to a planet whose orbit had been shifted by the destruction of ceti alpha 6. Can’t say why that would cause the confusion that it did, but that’s all the information that we have. Neo-Kirk and Scotty beamed from a planet to a ship at warp, that by then was light weeks, light months or even light years away (which negates the need for starships, to a point). These two situations are considerably different. And it was made possible because Classic Spock typed in an equation into Mr. Scotts 23rd century equipment, thus enabling this feature. I wish it were that easy in real life. But in fiction, this would constitute a Deus Ex Machina. It’s either a cheat, lazy writing, or yet another incredible coincidence. You can make up your own damn mind.</P> <P>“Once again. With Emphasis. FUCK YOU.”</P> <P>”Do you punch your mother with that mouth?” Regardless, right back at you.</P>

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    You could always beam to a ship that was in warp

    by lockesbrokenleg

    in TNG, etc, because they said that sometimes warp has holes in it, and the transporter can beam you through the hole and onto the ship.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    MacReady45 -- No, i always use my own name

    by Boborci

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    The difference between Tiberius_Prime and 900LB Gorilla

    by 900LBGorilla

    First off, no I would not be pissed AT the person if some guy who had no incentive other than the desire to help tried to save my planet even if he failed. <p> If I was pissed at him, I would be an idiot- like Orci’s villain. <p> I would also be even less pissed if due to all this I was sent back to the past where I could, Uh I don’t know WORK ON SAVING MY PLANET’S FUTURE. Instead of risking my life starting battles and seeking revenge on people who are trying to HELP ME SAVE MY PLANET WHICH NOW MAY NOT BE DESTRYED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    900LBGorilla

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Of course you would act rationally after having your wife, unborn child, parents, friends, neighbors and pets incinerated, because how could that possibly upset someone?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil - check's in the mail!

    by Boborci

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    ALSO

    by Tiberius_Prime

    He can't return to his own timeline, he would have to sit around for 154 years for 2387 to role around, by which point he would be older then Spock Prime, think he'd have much of a shot with his wife a second time under those circumstances?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    NOT TO MENTION

    by Tiberius_Prime

    He'd have to compete with a younger version of himself for her affections, maybe this could be it's own spinoff... :P

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Sorry Bob

    by MacReady452

    credit where credit is due.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Hows 5 O going Bob?

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    NEROS PLAN

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Nero was gonna wipe out the federation, destroy that pesky sun before it went supernova and then return to Romulus as a hero. It would have worked if he hadn't left Spock Prime alive. It was his emotion that got the better of him, he wanted Spock Prime to suffer as he had suffered and that was his undoing. Vulcan's have their logic, Romulans have their passion. They are an eye-for-an-eye sort of people.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Focus Cymbalta- Focus

    by 900LBGorilla

    You are focusing on a Strawman. I forgot the Pod said stay put- but that is meaningless- my real problems with the script was all the other things I wrote. Besides, your explanation just leaves another MASSIVE and even more moronic plot hole. <p> You said “Kirk makes the choice to say "Fuck This" and leave the pod. Because he knows the Starfleet guys are going to arrest and confine him“. <p> Really? So an (according to the script “Genius” Kirk) says “fuck this” and hops out of a safe Pod to wander aimlessly on a barren ice planet to avoid getting arrested? What the hell is his plan? I mean, even if he doesn’t know there are carnivorous Phantom-Menace monsters running around trying to kill him? To amble off to die of frostbite, or starvation so he doesn’t get arrested? This is an even dumber plot point than I brought up already. <p> And the “better solution” would have been to not have the Hoth/Phantom menace planet AT ALL. The entire storyline is erased with an inexcusably idiotic Maguffin ANYWAY when Scottie invents trans-warp teleporting so everyone gets back to where Kirk was to begin with. This is the problem - the entire scene is an utter foray into stupidity and has no purpose other than to flash some CGI and hack-ishly crap out an implausible scenario where Kirk can bump into Spock Prime and later Scotty. <p> And REALLY? You can’t figure out a better way to introduce Spock Prime and Scotty? Seriously? Cause I cant think of a WORSE way to introduce them….which is also what makes the story so pathetic. <p> And Creating trans-warp beaming (which makes ships irrelevant now) is the same to you as having a planet chart in TWOK that is wrong/out of date due to a shift in the solar system? Really? Weak doesn’t BEGIN to describe that rational. <p> Also what is Nero a philosopher now? How doe HE KNOW he can’t save his world??? To him he is just in the past so SURE there is that chance. You actually are saying that Nero being pointless IS THE POINT? At least we now agree- that about sums up this script- it’s pointless irrationality IS the point. <p> Oh and for the record while we‘re being all mature and logical- Fuck you to….douche.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    People're funny

    by BizarroJerry

    When the geeky movie site loves the Star Trek movie, they're selling out, huh? And the complainers' "proof" is that they didn't like it, so obviously, anyone who does is an idiot or being paid off. Such mature opinions.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Lockesbrokenleg-you still don’t explain

    by 900LBGorilla

    What was bad about Firefly. Other than the incorrect commentary about super girl always saving the day and inexplicable allegation that storylines were repeated. <p> I think you just don’t remember the show that well if you did watch it. Maybe it wass not your cup of tea - which is fine, but it certainly cant be ascribed as having writing inferior to this (as you have not been able to do).

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    900LBGORILLA

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Kirk was headed to the Federation Base, because he wasn't gonna sit around wait while Earth got destroyed, what was his plan once he got there? grab a shuttle? I don't know. I just know that he wasn't about to give up and sit it out in the pod and wait for Starfleet to come get him. Somebody has already mention that transwarp beaming happened in TNG. Landing on the wrong planet in WOK is fucking dumb. THE WRONG PLANET.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    5-0 going swimmingly, I think --we'll see...

    by Boborci

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    BobOrci

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Thanks for a fun film. Even the "flaws" are fun to discuss and argue about.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    DELTA VEGA

    by Tiberius_Prime

    The Pod tells Kirk where The Starfleet Base is, he's heading toward when he gets attacked by the local wildlife, he goes in the cave and runs into Spock Prime who was dumped here by nero for a front row ticket to Vulcan's destruction. Spock Prime knew of the base, he mentions it to Kirk, so he had already been heading there as well, and was just sitting out the storm in the cave. Okay so why are they on the same planet? Well Spock gets dumped there cos it's within visual range of Vulcan. A Kirk because they had just left Vulcan's location when he got kicked off the ship, and it would be the closest federation base what with Vulcan not existing anymore. And even Spock was surprised to find Scotty there, suggesting fate is playing a hand.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Bob 3 words for sequel

    by Tiberius_Prime

    Kirk VS Gorn!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    by 900LBGorilla

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    900lbsofGoriilaShitinan800lbBag

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I never said I Couldn't have come up with a Better(or in deference to my Double Cheeseburger buying pal BobOrci) DIFFERENT way of introducing Spock Prime and Scotty. I said that none of you Haters have. And I'm RIGHT.<br /><br />Why are you so sure that Kirk would have frozen or starved to death on Hoth Lite? (Sorry Bob) The pod landed within WALKING DISTANCE from the Starfleet Base. When the storm dies down ...don't we see Kirk... and Spock Prime...walking to it?<br /><br />One of the FUNNIER paradoxes of the film is: How does Spock Prime know where the base is? Some of you Haters were actually ARGUING about that. The most obvious explanation is that Nero marooned him on the closest planet with a base where he would be able to see Vulcan's destruction in the sky. Nero doesn't want Spock Prime to die. He wants him to suffer. And Revenge is a dish best served cold.<br /><br />I choose to believe Spock Prime knew where the base was because Young Spock knew where the base was. After all, he's the one who sent Kirk's pod there in the first place. And wouldn't a Spock from ANY universe know the location of a Starfleet base that close to his home planet?<br /><br />See it's not that hard to figure out. Bob and the guys left us plenty of room to put two and two together. It's fast and the camera shakes a lot and there may be a few too many lens flares but Dumb? Not by a long shot...<br /><br />And as for why Nero doesn't try to save "his" planet in an alternate time period in an alternate universe? <br /><br />To paraphrase Christopher Lloyd from BUCKAROO BANZAI; "It's NOT HIS PLANET, Monkey Boy!"

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    swimmingly, I think --we'll see

    by MacReady452

    sounds like it's treading water. How bout Cowboys and Aliens? You got the RDJ lead in of Holmes, and IM2. Is CNA gonna "Fuck Eyeballs" as they say? Give us the JettL scoops Bob.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    WHAT THE FUCK

    by Daxsin

    is up with all the goddamn negativity? Seriously people. I'm down with people having their opinions, but fuck!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST

    MacReady452 - wish I had scoops

    by Boborci

    for you today, but it's bad luck to count your chickens before they hatch!

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Tiberius_Prime

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Once again you said it more concisely. I should just stop typing and let you do my work for me.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Fair enough

    by MacReady452

    Bob, in your opinion, what is the funniest show on TV right now? I say It's Always Sunny.. but there are jokers over in other TB's that say Venture Bros. Weigh in. Not just these 2. You can say Bored to Death if you like.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK 2: MO' PUNCHIN' IT

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Daksin

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I don't like being negative either. But I've ALREADY SAID everything I'm saying tonight in the first Star Trek thread.<br /><br />And the one after that...<br /><br />And the one after that...<br /><br />No matter how many times these "flaws" or "plot holes" are explained, THEY BRING THEM UP AGAIN. As if they weren't around the first time they were discussed. Or the sixth. Or the seventh...<br /><br />The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Do these TROLLS really think someone somewhere will STOP liking this film if they keep complaining about red matter? Or black holes? Or ice planets? Or military promotions? <br /><br />I'm not angry, Daksin. A true Star Trek Fan would WANT more people to like Star Trek. In whatever form it has taken or will take. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations right?<br /><br />These Haters are Angry because their little Club has been opened to the Masses. You no longer need a secret handshake and a talmudic knowledge of 40 years worth of TV and movies to ENJOY a Star Trek movie. The slate has been wiped clean.<br /><br />THAT'S what they really hate. NOT the movie. And all of them are too chickenshit to FACE that, much less ADMIT it.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST

    900LBGorilla

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Please, can we stop talking about Firefly. It was horrible. Everyone was bitchy on that show. The science was terrible. Every planet looked like it was a backlot, and everyone cursed in Chinese. WTF?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I'm with you cymbalta4thedevil

    by Daxsin

    and I don't think you're the one being negative at all. A little pissed off, but that all good. You're calling out the assholes here. I completely agree with you.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    That's what I LOVE about AICN

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    NONE of us like the same things.<br /><br /> lockesbrokenleg and I both love LOST but I also love FIREFLY and he hates it<br /><br />900lbGorilla and I both loved FIREFLY but I like the new STAR TREK movie and he doesn't.<br /><br />joshuavance and I dig new Trek but he hates DS9 and I think it's the best overall Star Trek series since the original.<br /><br />And AsimovLives and I would have no trouble at all finding common ground about quite a few things but his hatred for this movie is completely beyond the pale.<br /><br />As for boborci, I loved STAR TREK, and enjoy FRINGE but even a free double cheeseburger wouldn't get me to stick up for Transformers 2. You're on your own there, pal. :)

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    everyone wants a fight.

    by future help

    blame too much computer, TV, cellphones, Fox, a House Divided.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Daxsin

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Thank you for your kind words.<br /><br /> Now pick a movie or TV show one of us hates so we can argue for an hour! Hahaha

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Bob

    by lockesbrokenleg

    What's the deal with Fringe? It's kinda boring.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Ominous

    by Briannicus

    I'm just saying that at the end of the day this movie does not deviate NEAR as badly as most of these twits would have you believe. Gravitas, is that your word for the day? Using big words does not make you intelligent (next time try reading the WHOLE post.) then if you want to troll some more be my guest.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    double post

    by Briannicus

    once again to Ominous, my reasoning is not directed to the casual fan. so once again, you miss the point.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Don't bother, cymbalta4thedevil...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...it will NEVER END. I've countered and demolished almost every one of AssLives' arguments regarding Star Trek and other things (even proving his lies about box office and critical reception) only to have him resurface in new talkbacks spouting the same complaints and daring anyone to defy him. <p> You either have to ignore him and his kind or simply load up, buckle down and wage a war of attrition every time he shows himself.

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:31 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg -- it's called "mood tv"

    by Boborci

    you gotta stare but sorta look through it like those 3-d spectrographs...

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Hi Bob.

    by The Dark Shite

    Drunk yet?

  • Nov. 15, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Dont you mean SW killed b-movie scifi and not really serious scifi?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Hercules

    by jae683

    "don't forget the mainstream press! 95% positive on Rotten Tomatoes!" So the mainstream press thinks it's great, by god that must mean it is?! Good grief, doesn't anyone have an original thought in their head.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Lol, ah that's it.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I did really like those big letters telling us where they were though. Those were cool.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Speaking as a non Trekie,

    by RedJester

    I actually thought the movie was quite entertaining. For the fans however I hope that the sequel has a slightly smarter script that will appeal to the diehards out there...

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    If you're bagging on "Red Matter" being illogical

    by Tall_Boy66

    Let's turn our gaze to the freakin GENESIS DEVICE from Star Trek II and III. Or just about 10 billion of the other silly sci-fi things that happen quite regularly on Star Trek. De-evolved into salamanders, anyone?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Why is it everyone gives shit to JettL93...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...but not "BobOrci"? <p>Just sayin'...

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    all_Boy66

    by lockesbrokenleg

    technically, the Genesis Device was basically putting the idea of terraforming into a little tiny torpedo.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Red Shirt joke

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It would be funny in the next one in the opening scene you have like 400 dudes armed wearing Red Shirts on a planet. They're attacked, but the guy in the yellow shirt is the only one killed.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil & Tiberius_Prime

    by DrMorbius

    Thank you gentlemen, for posting thoughts that I have had but been unable to state as well as you good sirs did. Keep up the good fight!<P>And thanks again Bob Orci, I hope it isn't too unpleasant sleeping on that big pile of money!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Critically Acclaimed??? The Critics Are Bought...

    by Media Messiah

    ...and paid for by the studios. Most of them gave rave reviews for...and of, the Charlie's Angels movies, and the Star Wars prequels. I rest my case!!! JJ Abrams' Star Trek sucks!!!!! It is poorly written, and was thrown together. It even looks cheap.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000&MediaMessiah need to get away together

    by Tall_Boy66

    They both love conspiracies, so they'd probably both love each other. As men. Who love conspiracies. And each other.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil = WIN

    by blakindigo

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    24 Trillion looted by the private Federal Reserve and counting

    by Spazatronik2000

    Infowars.com

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    a lot of critics liked Charlies Angels

    by Spazatronik2000

    because they're gay. I'm just stating facts. And Phantom Menace got 63 %

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    I love how the "reviewer" mentions Steven Spielberg

    by AsimovLives

    as the producer of Transformers. Is this how Spielberg is known this days? As the producer of Transformers? I'm certain i'm not alone in finding this all too funny... not to mention extremely disrespecting.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 3:54 a.m. CST

    no TakingScorpiosCalls SW killed the serious scifi

    by ominus

    not just in cinema but in literature too.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    So what makes Kirk cool?

    by AsimovLives

    That he gets punched in the face by everybody and his grandmother. That he's an anoying malcontented ill-mannered brat. That he's arrogant without any real quality to show other then neopotism. So this is what's considered cool today, hem?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000: They Still Liked Charlie'a Angels...

    by Media Messiah

    ...and the majority of critics liked, or loved, Phantom Menace and the other Star Wars prequels, which shows that you can't trust a critic. Oh, and in regard to the new Star Trek film, the far majority loved it, or liked it, as if it were the second coming of Jesus, but when you see the movie, you know instantly and internally, that they were lying their asses off!!! Far worse is to witness so-called fans of this movie...so deeply mentally brainwashed by the media hype that they often parrot the words of the critics--using descriptions like, "This isn't your father's Star Trek", and "It is this generation's Star Wars." First of all, the movie is a loose rip-off of the Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan...as was Star Trek: Nemesis...with plot holes everywhere, and time-travel continuity problems in regard to set Trek mythos. The Enterprise can time travel at will...by circulating around the sun repeatedly. We saw this on the original series, and we saw it in the other resulting TV series and movies...hence, when the planet Vulcan is blown-up (or imploded)...and millions or billons die...as well as the death of Spock's mom and Kirk's dad...older Spock and the rest of the surviving characters knew that all they had to do is go back in time...and kill Nero and his Romulan crew when they first appeared in the timeline. Vulcan would be saved, and the timeline repaired...Spock's mom lives...and Kirk's father lives. From there, older Spock could have returned to his future, and just before Romulas' sun super novas, he could have successfully arrived ahead of time...to prevent it, and completed his mission of mercy, which was to save their sun. Instead of this, however, older Spock...using no logic BTW, decides to take surviving Vulcan refugees and start Vulcan anew elsewhere on another planet??? Talk about not understanding time-travel and how it works in the science fiction realm...and or, in the Star Trek universe, which again already has pre-established rules for time travel?<BR><BR>And let's not talk about older Spock being marooned by the villain on a moon with a star base on it...which both know about, or should have, but he, Spock, fails to walk to the base for help, or to signal a warning to anyone in star fleet or on Vulcan, knowing that the base is within less than a day's walking distance? No...instead, he waits in a cave for younger Kirk to be marooned by younger Spock, which older Spock had no pre-knowledge about, it just all turned-out to be one big wild coincidence that he waited there...for no reason, and that just happened to allow for the perfect timing for him to save younger Kirk from a giant monster? Then the two decide to trek across the moon to the star base where they just happened to run into Scotty??? Bad writing, bad writing, bad writing!!! <BR><BR>No, this isn't your father's Star Trek...because your father's Star Trek was smart, and innovative...but I disagree strongly with the latter, no the new Star Trek isn't this generation's Star Wars, because the original Star Wars was a watershed moment in filmmaking, from storytelling, directing, production, marketing, sound design, to special effects. That was true innovation! It virtually created the blockbuster summer film...as we know it today!!! All JJ Abrams' has given us in the form of innovation...is the laughable...over-use of lens flare???

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Hey AsimovLives—

    by blakindigo

    In a previous talkback you mentioned something along the lines that J.J. Abrams thinks like a studio executive. Outside of the barrage of hostility against "Star Trek"—I'm curious, can you elaborate on that idea (hopefully without resorting to bitter resentment)? You've made some points worth discussing and although I don't agree with your sentiments about the movie, I'm interested in reading more on your opinion about Abrams.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah dont bother man

    by ominus

    we live in a century where TF2 earns 800m in the box office,and people admit that actually like it.You simply can not make ignorant,simple minded buffoons to see why a movie is bad and that mindless fun is not a reason but an excuse for the flaws of the movie.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Herc: Can You Explain Away The Plot Holes Of This Movie...

    by Media Messiah

    ...in regard to the time travel issue? Everyone who I have brought this up to...on the Talkbacks, can't explain it away. Question: Why doesn't older Spock simply travel back in time, and kill Nero and crew when they first arrive in the time line, or travel back in time before the time alteration, and then leap fowards into the future to intercept and kill Nero before he travels back in time, or why doesn't he, Spock, use this as an opportunity to save the sun of Romulas? It is huge plot hole that can't be filled, and shows a tremendous lack of understanding of the genre...and the mechanics of time travel in story. It is just lazy writing!<BR><BR>BTW, I will point you to Stargate: Continuum, which handles this very same issue of time travel exquisitely, and on a TV movie budget, dealing with a new...and broken, time-line, and its final resolve. It really puts JJ Abrams' new...and sadly...sloppy and unimproved, Star Trek...to shame!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST

    good movie but SGU is way better already

    by DioxholsterReturns

    JJ Abrams is pissing his pants right now.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    What do you get if you mix Red Matter with Blue Matter?

    by ominus

    Purple Matter.and if u add Dark Matter u will get Dark Purple Matter.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Ominus: Alas...

    by Media Messiah

    ...you are right. I waste a lot of time trying to educate these posters. They seem to prefer junk food for the mind...over true brilliance? When I grew-up, we were spoiled with the best of everything--great movies, music, TV shows, and comics. We were smart kids, and had smart media. I forgot that this new generation, is the generation where...the crack babies have grown-up...and they like anything dumb, that they are served?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah you expect from the writers of

    by ominus

    Xena,Hercules and Transformers to understand the basic concept of time-travel and its paradoxes,and integrate it into a solid scifi story?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah speaks the truth people

    by DioxholsterReturns

    after taking his meds, he finally got something right.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Stargate: Continuum repects time-travel

    by DioxholsterReturns

    but you see Terminator and Star Trek molesting the concept so much to benefit their own story agendas, those liberals who think they can do whatever they like to our universe and plots should be hanged. Star Trek is one of the few movies out there that is ballsy enough to not even hide their plot holes and instead they just let it hang out there, you know coz they are ballsy.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    and im for hiding plot holes

    by DioxholsterReturns

    because i dont wanna see anyones holes

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Bald Security Officer

    by The Chosen

    If you are talking about Picard, he is not going to be born for 30 or 40 years yet

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    @DioxholsterReturns

    by V'Shael

    I don't think MM took any meds, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. <p>

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Star Trek should be taught in schools as an example

    by DioxholsterReturns

    Star Trek should be mentioned in schools as an example of how to make people not get distracted by plot holes. fact is i think average people think sci fi is too ridicules anyway that it doesnt necessary have to make sense to them as long as they get to see cool looking space ships and character shouting at each other, then its all good.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:43 a.m. CST

    responding to 2 of the sphinter's blowholes...

    by quantize

    Media Masticator <p> got all the Trek films, this one included. Kahn is great, this is also very enjoyable. See that word? Enjoyable. When you're finished waxing your asshole, you'll learn to do the same. <P> Twitzaderach <P> per-fuckin-lease..you're actually so delusional you think you can get away with pulling the high road stunt with your history? <P> Put your head in the box.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Transformers 2 is also enjoyable

    by ominus

    it had tits and ass,humour and cool action.see the word? enjoyable

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by blakindigo

    I think that Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are using a variation on the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. A simplistic description of the idea is that parallel dimensions exist concurrently with this one. You can jump backward or forward in time/space but you would end up in a different universe. So, if Spock went back in time to kill Nero, he wouldn't return to his own universe but, to a parallel one.<br><br>In fact, THE VERY ACT of traveling back in time created another version of Spock who actually DID go back to another timeline and kill Nero. The phenomena of creating a black hole would cause a 'split' in the timeline and would manufacture multiple universes. In some branches of these timelines, Spock would succeed in his attempt to rescue Romulus and in others (like the timeline of this movie) he would fail. Using that ideas (simplistically stated here, I'm no physicist or expert by any means) it would be impossible to travel 'back to your own time' because the very act of going back in time has already created a version of you that did go back in time (or forward in time) or died during the trip—basically EVERY possibility of time-travel exists and is happening simultaneously.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 5:57 a.m. CST

    anyone played COD MW2 yet?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    anyone???

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    blakindigo--- u just contridicted yourself idiot

    by DioxholsterReturns

    Spock could go back in time, since the hole was still there if i remember.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Is the Large Hadron Collider being sabotaged from the future?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    there was an article talking about scientist who are in denial and have led themselves to believe that it wasnt there fault the thing crashed but that the particles from the future stopped it Terminator style.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Media messiah.. say it aint so

    by BendersShinyAss

    did you really write that god aweful post and then claim it was a plot hole? dude......

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Guess what? Nobody gives a shit

    by DioxholsterReturns

    i dont give a shit how many versions of our universe is created while we time travel, all i care about is returning to my family or home, whereever that is. Marty didnt complain when he returned to find his father looking cool, his mom looking fine, and riding a way cooler car.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    blakindigo--if that was true then everytime you warp then

    by DioxholsterReturns

    you will end up in a different universe!!!! suck my dick shithole

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:19 a.m. CST

    If i went back in time to kill myself

    by DioxholsterReturns

    will i still exist?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Edward Woodward has passed away

    by Chaplins_tache

    Bugger. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8362367.stm

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Blakindigo: Spock Did Not Claim That There Was A Parallel Time S

    by Media Messiah

    Again...that is not logical, if in fact there was a parallel time split, why didn't older Spock say so? In fact, no one in the movie claimed that they were going on a parallel worlds view, ala dimensional time splitting. And if this was a parallel universe that could not be altered, then why would older Spock care about the outcome of events in the new universe...whatsoever? He could have just turned back around at the beginning of the movie and went back to the future, no harm no foul. The same is true of all the past Star Trek episodes and movies involving timelines and time jumping. If the interrupted timelines don't really matter, since they created parallel dimensions, then why did Kirk, Spock, Pichard...etc., seek to repair broken timelines every time they happened in the Star Trek universe...and mythos, and why did each of the characters always argue that the timelines could, and should, be repaired, and thus, entered in on missions where they did just that, repair them...ala the original series episode "City On the Edge of Forever" ("Edith Keeler must die"...you recall that famous line?) and Star Trek: First Contact? The whole point of Cty on The Edge Of Forever was that Kirk had gone back in time where he met the love of his life...and he had to let her die to prevent mass destruction. If Edith Keeler lived, her good works would have led to a mass loss of life, not seen in the original timeline. That is the rule of time travel in Star Trek, in numerous episodes and movies...a rule that Abrams and company clumsily didn't know how to write to, or for. They just threw together the script in order to get...and cash, their voluminous checks for this movie, and along the way, delivered a piece of tripe to the public in the form of this new Trek film.<BR><BR>See, I told you, you can't explain your way out of this one, JJ Abrams and his Transformers script writers... royally screwed-up!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Chaplins_tache--- cheer up, in another universe hes still alive

    by DioxholsterReturns

    having sex with your wife

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Oh, who to believe?

    by DocPazuzu

    Respected critics who praise Star trek as well as my own sensory organs? <p> Or perhaps Trek-hater, Media Messiah, a man who's also convinced that: <p> 1) The government is conducting top-secret Bible research at Area 51 <p> 2) The Jet Propulsion Laboratory is a "sex cult" <p> 3) The porn industry is controlled by a "satanist cabal" <p> 4) Steven Spielberg's niece was abducted by aliens who were scared off by the Virgin Mary <p> 5) Venusian ambassadors have spoken at the U.N. <p> 6) Plastic is "alive" <p> Oh, the agony of these decisions!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss: Yes, I Wrote That Post...And...

    by Media Messiah

    ...I was, and am...right! You never even tried to debate it, point for point...because you know that I am right. I am daring any of you to prove me wrong about Star Trek's set rules on time travel, because...you can't!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:32 a.m. CST

    everytime i fuck a chick i create a parallel timeline

    by DioxholsterReturns

    because i entered a warmhole

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by DocPazuzu

    Allow me: <p> Because in Star trek there is both time travel and dimension hopping. Abrams' Trek is a combination of both. Spock and Nero went back in time, but also into a parallel dimension--just not one where everybody evil has beards and scars. <p> Next.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    with FTL speeds

    by DioxholsterReturns

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:35 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu: I See That You Can't Debate...

    by Media Messiah

    ...the time travel plot hole in the new Trek film--for if you could, you would have already? It is a set rule in Star Trek, that broken timelines can be repaired, so why didn't older Spock or anyone else do just that, and repair the timeline, or attempt to, or even mention it as a possibility? They have done it before...numerous times in the Trek universe, so why not here? Answer: Abrams and his writing team screwed-up...and I am calling them on it!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:38 a.m. CST

    old Spock is too old for this shit

    by DioxholsterReturns

    the guy wanted to retire in this alternate reality i guess. hes like fuck it.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    I repaired the timeline.

    by DocPazuzu

    I went back in time and replied BEFORE you could zing me, thus robbing you of talkback win points.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu: Even In A Parallel Dimension...

    by Media Messiah

    ...there is still time travel, the reason why older Spock is there, and yet, he did not mention this, parallel time dimesions...nor did he use time travel to restore the timeline if that is not true, nor did he return to his own dimension, if it is true? Even your explanation has holes like swiss cheese. And once again...if it is a new universe, why would older Spock care either way...about any of the events in the movie? Why risk his life to save any of these people? Why would he mourn the loss of Vulcan, or his mother, or fight against Nero, knowing full well, that all is well in his original dimension...one which he can return to at any given time he so chooses?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    yeah, DocPazuzu ur story has holes bigger than

    by DioxholsterReturns

    a daytime hooker's

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:52 a.m. CST

    MM

    by DocPazuzu

    1) How is it a plot hole that Old Spock chooses not to return to his own timeline/dimension? <p> 2) Where is it explained that Old Spock in his new timeline/dimension even has the means or knowledge how to return to his exact spot of departure? <p> 3) Why would he care about billions of innocent lives? Because he's SPOCK, you idiot. <p> 4) Spock mentioned having faith that the universe unfolds as it must, suggesting he sees a reason for him being in his new world--perhaps to supply whatever knowledge he has to New Vulcan. It's also implied that Old Spock learns during the film that the original crew were MEANT to be together, much like Skynet's takeover of the world can be altered or postponed, but never stopped. <p> Next.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    if anything

    by BendersShinyAss

    ...the genesis device is the weakest muggufin in the hstory of trek. a torpedo that turns a 'dead' moon into a thriving planet? sorry, but... what? <p> but you know what? .... i still fucking love it. <p>you really wanna talk plot holes? (and i am a rabid trek fan) Trek 1 they travel warp speed for an hour to intercept vega. they enter it and it's already over earth. <p> Trek 2 as we all know checkov wasnt even on the enterprise when kahn first appeared, or was he and we just didnt see him? how about sending spocks body to genesis. how fucking rude is that? 'why didnt you bring him to vulcan' sarak asked in trek 3 - indeed. or how about the enterprise being 4000km away from Reliant when trying to make an escape. do you have any idea how far 4000km is? more like 4km.... even 40km would have been out of range. and genesis wasn't even detonated on a moon, the planet just formed... and THAT should ahve been the reason for it being unstable in trek 3. <p> trek 3 - oh god where do i begin? the enterprise is pulled into dock via a tractor beam, yet no one thought to use it to prevent the ship being stolen? was excelsior the only other ship in the fleet? why were no other ships dispatched to intercept and arrest them. surely a whole armada could ahve been there to eventually be the rescue that kirk and co needed at the end. <p>trek 4 - how exactly does warping around a star send one back thru time, and how does warping the other way send you forward thru time?? and what exactly is an alien species in contact with wales, which then sends a probe to see why communication was lost - just how far away is this other species that it takes 300 years to reach earth? <p>trek 5 - the centre of the galxy can't be reached.... yet within hours they are there! actually the less said of trek 5 the better. <p>trek 6 - they're returning home at full impulse when they get kit with the klingon moons destruction wave.... full impulse!!!!??????? it'll take em a decade to get home. when they're not going to make it cause they're still in the alpha quadrant - doi, the alpha quadrant is the only place they have been and ever will be until the discovery of the ds9 wormhole. or Q in next gen. or the caretaker in voyager. <p>Generation... explain to me exactly how the leave the nexus again? and why is it soran can't fly a ship in when it was the ships at the beginning which gave him his first taste before he was beamed out. <p> First contact - the whole introduction of the queen totally undermines what the whole concept of the borg was to begin with. why would riker and geordi navigate the phenix when it was cockrans! pioneering flight. <p>Insurrection.... 300 people? why not a whole goddamn planet of aliens?? and why did they have to relocatet them and why not just start moving people into the planet in some form of regulated 'getaway' .....? <p>nemeis is fucked. no one can defend that piece of shit. and only one person likes it that i know of, and his name is john logan and im pretty sure he's a talkbacker here too. <p>you want a few plot holes no one has mention about the new trek? sure, here ya go .... a ship can't go to warp while still in a solar system for risk of hitting debris. the enterprise warps from orbit. when kirk changed the kobieoshi maru, he didn't just have the klingons sheilds down so they could be fired on... he made it so it was possible to rescue the ship - in his own words! granted the novels arent cannon, but in one of them it was explained that when the klingons contacted the ship and discovered it was kirk they offered an appology cause they didnt know it was 'the great kirk' and called off their attack. and HOW EXACTLY did nero know spock would be arriving 25 years later? when they first entered they had no idea where they were or if spock was even there. <p><p><p>my point is, gentlemen.... Trek is fucking awesome.... and your complaints are ridiculous. in the immortal words of the shat - "get a life"

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:01 a.m. CST

    media messiah... ill answer you

    by BendersShinyAss

    at the begining, spock was pulled into the timehole. he was then captured by nero waiting for him and then sent to the ice moon to watch his planet get destroyed. by the time young spock got the ship with the redmatter back it was thusly destroyed, creating a new timehole which destroyed the Romulan war ship due to it opening dead centre of the ship. old spock was in no position to EVER set a course back to any given time line he chose, nor would anyone in the current timeline feel the need to make any such call. you'r talking trash, man

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Diox

    by DocPazuzu

    My point is that my plot holes are no bigger than the shitty conclusions MM and the others are jumping to because everything isn't being spelled out for them. <p> The problem with this whole debate is that obsessive Trek nerds have been spoiled for decades with shows and movies where every single bit of faux-scientific minutiae is explained. There has been almost no reliance on letting people accept a few things at face value in order to serve the story. I'm sorry, but dilithium crystals are as much horseshit as the Flux Capacitor and, perhaps most of all, the Genesis Device, which makes NO sense at all. but you know what? IT DOESN'T MATTER. These things serve the story, and story is king--at least among normal people. Trek nerds want every goddamn thing spoonfed to them of they say it doesn't exist or is "impossible". However, what none of them will admit is that they LOVE Trek '09 because it provides them with what they mistakenly believe is an opportunity to impress people with their mad science skillz, poking holes which they believe the screenwriters tried to slip past them and which most people are too dumb to perceive.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    oh my god again with the Tu Quoque argument

    by ominus

    jesus christ guys we are talking about JJ's ST here,not movies which were made 10 years ago.And you know what,why dont you talk about that terrible Nemesis movie? fans bashed it because the movie had major problems,although as mindless fun goes it was fine.(it even became a hit in the dvd market). <p>why the fans should be right only when they criticize the flaws of Nemesis but not when they cricize JJs ST? why there shouldnt be any merit to their opinions then? did they suddenly became pathetic losers who hate the new st in order to feel better? come on now. <p>i rewatched several scenes yesterday from the movie,and even though i admit that as a whole is indeed an enjoyable flick,on the other hand i cant ignore its flaws and the bastardization of the franchise,not when as a viewer i require something more demanding and clever for my intellectual processes of my brain. <p>for me st1,st2,st6,st8 and even st5 had something more to offer to me,as a viewer,than action and coolness.did they have their flaws? yes they did,yes you can argue that they were not well-made,but ffs if you are going to use the Tu Quoque argument use it for the benefits of those movies,rather than their flaws.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST

    and at the end time is the ultimate judge of

    by ominus

    everything.we will see what status the new ST will achieve after 20 years.until then,this movie is a piece of shit.maybe a tasteful shit,but shit nevertheless.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    SLINGSHOT EFFECT EXPLAINED

    by BringingSexyBack

    Going clockwise sends you back in time. Going counterclockwise brings you back. Easy peezy!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    OR MAYBE IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND?

    by BringingSexyBack

    No two ways about it.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    how dare you make fun of the Flux Capacitor

    by DioxholsterReturns

    first off, story has to be convincing and in sci fi thats important since alot of weird shit happens and it needs to have some logical explanation or else we feel this was all done to stimulate our dicks and not our brains. like ur wife. this star trek has so many plot holes, it was sticking out in front of me in the theater---and i wasnt like "maybe im stupid and i dont get it"...no, it was like, "man, how stupid does JJ abrams think I am?????" fuck this shit

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST

    ominus

    by BendersShinyAss

    you enjoy Nemesis but not new trek. is your name John by any chance?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack---u watched SGU yet?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    last episode was hailed as the best thing to appear on TV.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:37 a.m. CST

    DIOX

    by BringingSexyBack

    No, I've got a full plate with DWTS and Top Chef vying for my viewing time.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:39 a.m. CST

    ALSO, PAWN STARS, HOW IT'S MADE, AND CHARMED

    by BringingSexyBack

    are clogging up my DVR. Charmed is the wife's thing.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:39 a.m. CST

    oh and bender since i am a goddamn geek

    by ominus

    you made some valid points about the previous movie,but u also made some errors: <p>ST2: do you know the range of the phaser weapons? is it less than 4000km? <p>ST3: only the excelsior and the enterprise were in the starbase,we dont see other ships. <p>ST4:you do know that the stars we are looking at the sky now,are the light that was produced from these stars thousands of years ago,and not NOW.these stars might even be dead now.use this fact and consider why your 300years flaw is stupid. <p>the federation is in fact occupies and travels in both the alpha and the beta quadrant.the wormhole in DS9 connects the beta and the gamma quadrant.the delta quadrant belongs to the Borgs. <p>u also forgot a more important flaw which has to do with what the story by itself establishes: Picard could have used the nexues and travel so far back in time,that he could even save his nephew and a lot of other people.but he went back just a couple of minutes to make the things more dramatic..THATS is bad writing,and THATS what is the main problem with ST too,and not that black holes are not time portals,which is a trivia thing. <p>ST8: geordi and ryker were assuring that cohrans flight would be a sucess.they were escorting him,not navigating for him.i think that is pretty obvious. <p>thats the few things from me.cheers.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss i am stating the opinions

    by ominus

    of other people,opinions which i have read here and in other forums.they are not saying that the movie is not bad,they are saying that they have enjoyed it.and indeed,its a fact that the movie went very well in the dvd market. <p>personally i find the movie one of the worst star trek movies ever,with no redeeming qualities at all.savvy?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    Cant wait to pick up my copy!

    by Wookie_1995

    Woot Tommrow

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Aint It Sell Out News

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Ehrm ominus....

    by BendersShinyAss

    St2 - the enterprise is trying to escape the genesis countdown. kirk asks the time... and then asks distance from reliant to which chekov replies '4000km' to which sulu does that math and exclaims "We're not going to make it" kirk obviously can't do math - shooting a look at David who confirms it for him with a shake of his head. <p> Trek 3 - i see lots of ships in space dock, some even flying in front of frame to give enterprise's scale. but alas, there were no other ships available?? at all?? anywhere???? <p> You'r idea of stars is somewhat skewed. the stars we see are NOT emitting lihgt thousands of years ago - this is a common falacy. in fact, if one of those stars were to 'go out' we would see it go fairly soon after the event. Forget your 60's science. Light speed is near instantanious from the point of range it can be seen. the lag in light is more akin to the lag in sound.<p> Beta qandrant is a tricky subject. according to Ds9 they were in the alpha qandrant and voyager always talked of returning to the alpha qandrant. but according to some charts the beta qandrant is covered by the federation. some charts show the federation is actually located in the beta qandrant. weird.<p> according to the laws established by generations, picard and kirk NEVER EVEN LEFT the nexus <p> As for trek8.... no it's not obvious but it doesnt matter - it's still a great film. Insurrection and nemesis ARE NOT!!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST

    THERE'S WATER ON THE MOON!!!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST

    I don't have TIME for this....

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    Do people like Media Messiah NOT realize that when they insist that everything in the new Star Trek film can be FIXED or CHANGED by simply slingshotting around the sun and going back in Time,they AREN'T pointing out a plot hole?<br /><br />They're creating a BIGGER PLOT HOLE!<br /><br />If that's all you have to do to change things in Star Trek then: NOTHING MATTERS.<br /><br />Why doesn't the Enterprise D crew go back in time and save Tasha Yar in "Skin of Evil"?<br /><br />Why doesn't the Enterprise E crew go back in time and save Data in NEMESIS?<br /><br />Why doesn't a grief stricken Worf go back in time and save Alexander's mom or Jadzia Dax?<br /><br />Why doesn't Picard go back in time and save his Brother and Nephew from burning to death in GENERATIONS?<br /><br />They dealt with this on DS9 in "Trials and Tribble-ations" YEARS AGO! (Maybe they need to slingshot around the sun and deal with it AGAIN?) Starfleet Officers do NOT have the authority to go back in time and change things WHENEVER and HOWEVER they want. If they did, they'd NEVER stop doing it. They wouldn't have TIME for anything else. Why is the planet Vulcan more important than any random red shirt? Who decides who lives or dies?<br /><br />And I say this OVER and OVER and OVER again and it NEVER sinks in with you people: THIS ISN'T THEIR UNIVERSE. Nero and Spock Prime didn't just travel back in TIME. They traveled SOMEWHERE ELSE. And they CAN'T GET BACK. That's one of the reasons Nero is so PISSED OFF and NIHILISTIC. You Haters ask WHY does he sit around for 25 years doing NOTHING? Maybe he spends those 25 years trying to do something and realizes there's NOTHING he can do?<br /><br />Spock Prime is more LOGICAL and PHILOSOPHICAL. He finds the whole thing FASCINATING. He's going to do everything he can to help them stop Nero of course. But after that, he has a whole New Universe to explore. Different from his own. Full of NEW WORLDS he can live a NEW LIFE on. So that's what he's going to do...

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    oh boy

    by ominus

    st2: sorry i thought u were talking about the scene where khan chases kirk before they enter the nebula. <p>but the same question is applied here too: do u know the range of the genesis explosion? unless u r David.. <p>st3: i am pretty sure that there are only the excelsion and the enterpirse.the other ships are small pods,not big spaceships with weapons and warp drives. <p>oh boy.so you are saying that if a star which is 2000 light years away from us,dies right NOW that we are talking,then the light of that star which we are watching right now,is going to disappear from the sky in a few seconds,after the stars diminish.correct? <p>so? the point is that the whole nexus thing was bad written.if you are going to use a story device as a deus-ex machina solution,then use it correctly.if Picard had the ability to prevent everything from happening from the start,then why didnt he use it? i am pretty sure guinan told him that he could leave from nexus and arrive in any point of time in the universe,she didnt tell him that he could only return back in time for 2minutes.thats bad writing.thats my point.the other things you mention are just the cherry on the pie.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Bender

    by Autodidact

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Bender, You Don't Know Shit About Light Speed

    by Autodidact

    Sorry my friend but you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Light speed is 1 light year/year. This means if a star is 30,000 light years away, the light is 30,000 years old when it hits our eyes. Proxima Centauri is just under 5 light years away, so it has the "youngest" photons hitting Earth at just under five years old. Distant galaxies, which appear as a single star to the naked eye, are being observed via photons that have been moving through space for MILLIONS of years in some cases. <p>Then you wave your hands some more and say "it's like sound"... uh, yeah.. it IS like sound in that it takes time for the energy to travel across the intervening space between the object being observed and our sensory organs. The speed of light is a few million times faster than the speed of sound, and the distances to the planets are several billion/trillion+ times larger than any distances under which you'll ever observe the lag in sound (because you'll need to be inside an atmosphere to observe the lag in sound). <p> Anyhow, in my eyes, you just lost all credibility vis-a-vis sci-fi, since you obviousy don't know the first fucking thing about science.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    oh come on now,autodidact.thats 60s science.

    by ominus

    the universe has changed its laws since then.how did u miss it?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil----- Starfleet believe its ethically wrong to

    by DioxholsterReturns

    what if Starfleet believe its ethically wrong to change timeline, since it does result in lives lost somewhat.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    "distances to the stars"

    by Autodidact

    I said "distances to the planets" I meant "distances to the stars" although you can observe lightspeed lagtime between the earth and the sun itself.. eight minutes worth.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I NEVER KNEW LIGHT WAS SO SLOW

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Faster Than Light Travel is What Trek is All About

    by Autodidact

    That's why so many fans are up in arms about Scotty being able to transport onto a ship that had been warping away from him. Warp levels are logarithmic multiples of light speed. So if they were going warp 5, that's a million times faster than the speed of light. Given the urgent circumstances, they were going faster than that. So that ship was REALLY fuckin far away when Scotty transported aboard. Kinda makes the whole idea of spaceships pointless (as a means of transportation at least).

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    changing time could make you die

    by DioxholsterReturns

    if you go way way back in time to change things, you might end up not existing------ you might actually die, because then you couldve altered your destiny and made it worse for yourself or even the world. like going back in time to save the world from a terrorist attack only to go back to the future finding everyone in the world dead.---get it?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Think About How Big The Fuckin Universe Is

    by Autodidact

    In Star Trek they have technology that lets them zip around at millions of times the speed of light. Yet, without wormholes and other "supernatural" means (like Q in TNG), the Federation in Star Trek has never explored beyond the local quadrant of our own galaxy. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies! And the space between galaxies makes the space within galaxies look small! It boggles the fucking mind to consider it!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    spaceships, transports, stargates all have to have their limitat

    by DioxholsterReturns

    or else they might conflict with each other

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Autodidact--- or just watch SGU

    by DioxholsterReturns

    they travel between galaxies, they made the universe look really small man.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    LIGHT WOULDN'T STAND A CHANCE IN MIDTOWN TRAFFIC

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Autodidact and ominus

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    I guess you guys never read those quotes from Ronald D Moore I posted in another Star Trek Talkback?<br /><br />Star Trek writers don't know ANYTHING about science. They call it "Tech" and they leave holes in the script for the science advisors to plug big words in. The whole thing is technobabble to move the plots along.<br /><br />When Moore was writing TNG he would have Data say "Captain, that 'Tech' is preventing us from 'Tech-ing'." And Picard would say "Geordi can you 'Tech' the 'Tech'?" And Geordi would say "Well if we bypass this 'Tech'and run the 'Tech' through the 'Tech' on full 'Tech' I should be able to 'Tech' us out in time. And Picard would say "Make it So."<br /><br />As long as it sounds plausible to science nerds like you guys, you think you're watching science fiction. NONE OF IT EXISTS. They could have Geordi say "Well if I bypass this Bullshit and run the Horseshit through the Crapometer on full Feces I should be able to Turd us out in time." And it would be about as scientifically valid as it is now.<br /><br />Oh and when you guys have been to Proxima Centauri and back, let me know. Until then you're just trusting someone else's calculations.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    MY PALM TRAVELS AT WARP 2

    by BringingSexyBack

    when I'm fapping for Minka Kelly.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    A-Team Ain't it cool style

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    AssimovLives as Hannibal, Dioxholster as BA, lockesbrokenleg as Face and Media Messiah as Mad Dog Murdoch, Harry make it happen!!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    BSB - Minka is that the one Jeter is banging ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Hercules: It takes one week for the sun light to reach Earth

    by ominus

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil---- sci fi isnt just about technobabble

    by DioxholsterReturns

    its the circumstances the characters are in that makes it sci fi, the tech they use and their means of finding solutions. all not being far-fetched, science has opened a window full of possibilities, im not sure if anything is ever impossible in our realty, only hindrance there is our slow progression and our learning minds.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    cymbalta4thedevil do you have a link for those

    by ominus

    Moore's quotes?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    ominus---- is there anything faster than light?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    we say FTL but we know there are exotic particles around that could be useful. tachyons come to mind. isnt hyperspace made up of that?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    "just how far away...that it takes 300 years to reach earth? "

    by BurnHollywood

    At 36,000 mph, New Horizons is one of the fastest man-made objects ever built (the Helios probe is reputedly faster), but would still take 80,000 years to make it to Sol's closest neighbor, Proxima Centauri...but it's not heading in that direction, anyway. If the ST4 race doesn't use warp, it's not hard to believe that they'd take 300 years to reach Earth.<p> What's more, even if they had warp, whales don't...maybe they dispatched a probe the minute they lost contact.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    ominus

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    It was on syfy.com Let me go look...

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Cymbal: Nice Strawman

    by Autodidact

    I can't even see where your comment connects to mine. I have seen the interview clips with Ron Moore which you mention. Doesn't have a fuicking thing to do with the size of the universe man. <p> Can I just say you have not acquitted yourself very well in this TB. You seem like the saddest of creatures: A strident nerd who is also kind of dumb.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Warp is not Hyperspace

    by Autodidact

    They remain with normal space, but inside a "warp bubble" which has highly compressed spacetime behind the ship, and uncompressed spacetime in frotn of it. The difference in compression propels the warp bubble across spacetime, while the ship inside is effectively standing still.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by BendersShinyAss

    I think i know a thing or two with regards to science. im well versed in the science of old and i have a pretty good understanding of some fairly new 'underground' science which is trying to wash away the crap of yesteryear. that said, I'm well aware of my limitations and my lack of understandings in a lot of areas.... but the fact is, that any given star which we can now see with the naked eye, is NOT light from 30,000 years in the past. <p>look at it this way, if a star were to spring into life, boom - a star is born, then imagine you shooting away from the star so fast that is becomes a dot, just out of range -- THAT my friend, is the speed of light. you can't out run it. So if any star, within the vision of our unaided eye, were to suddenly extinguish, be sure as hell that shortly there after we would see that star go out. <p>Now, if we're talking hubble deep field, well guess what, all those fantastic nebulas and galxies and colours and stuff.... not real - photographic illusion. oh sure the elements are there for such images to be created, but these images are filtered, captured over multiple exposures, even (surprise) enhanced for your viewing pleasure. <p> We can't look into the past. that is the most ridiculous science fiction (hole) that american science has ever laid on us. tho, it is true to an extended understanding.... but totally false to the way it's sold to us in school and trashy trend mags. <p>thanks...

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    You Make No Fucking Sense

    by Autodidact

    Seriously, what does the writers' lack of concern with the specifics of the technology in a given dramatic scenario have to do with the laws of physics as an overarching structure? I'll tell you what: NOTHING AT ALL.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    8 minutes

    by BendersShinyAss

    sheer size and scope negates this equation

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Just Type: Ronald D Moore Tech

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    in Yahoo Search and the links come right up. There's a video on hulu.com and an article on syfy.com

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    It takes roughly eight minutes...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...for light from the Sun to reach Earth.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Warp was always the odd one out

    by DioxholsterReturns

    FTL, hyperspace, jump-drive, wormhole drive -----all are based on the same principle but Warp is just Warp.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    of time travel

    by BendersShinyAss

    theoretically, if one was to travel back in time, you could do anything, and i mean anything - even kill your earlier self and you would be perfectly fine in your current form. Tho, I do love Back to the future's time travel scenario from a purely theatrical perspective.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss---totally delusional

    by DioxholsterReturns

    you actually believe your own bullshit. i applaud your stupidity well done.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Just saw "Bottle Shock".

    by cookylamoo

    Can see why Pine got Kirk. He plays him in that movie, too.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Benders: You're So Wrong... Just Stop Talking

    by Autodidact

    <p>You're just wrong. The light from a star 30,000 light years away takes 30,000 years to get to us, BY DEFINITION. "Light year"... it's in the fucking word you idiot. <p> Second: Hubble Deep Field is VISIBLE LIGHT. Not photographic trickery. Sure there are lots of space images from other sources which are actually colorized gatherings of non-visible spectra. But not Hubble Deep Field. That's light we could see with our eyes, if our eyes could gather that many photons. Stop being such an ignorant cunt. <p> A LOT of the "stars" in the sky are actually galaxies. There are no galaxies closer than about 75,000 light years. So any light hitting your eyes from another galaxy is AT LEAST 75,000 years old. Go ahead and dispute this by saying "that's old science, the new stuff says different". You pretentious twat.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    There are particles that teleport and time travel

    by DioxholsterReturns

    if we could get these particles to interact with other molecules, then we can achieve time travel, but it would have to be facilitated.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    re tu quoque:

    by DocPazuzu

    I know it's a fun term to throw about--especially in a Trek talkback (at least twice) since it sounds like Klingon, but here's what most new users of the phrase don't seem to understand: <p> Identifying its use does NOT mean it automatically has no value. <p> When someone like AssLives screeches endlessly in hijacked talkbacks about how STUPID the science is in Trek '09, thus meaning the film is SHIT, while claiming that its progenitors held some kind of higher standard, it's HIS argument that loses any kind of weight it may have had. Why should anybody take his arguments seriously when he's willing to overlook dilithium crystals, the Genesis Device and the entire goddamn Spock's Brain episode? It's a lopsided and utterly untenable position. Sure, one can debate whether the science in Trek '09 is bogus or not, but using that as a measure of its quality while giving everything else in the Trek universe a free pass is disingenuous bullshit. It's like saying Ewoks: The Battle For Endor is shit because the Force is unrealistic while giving The Empire Strikes Back a free get-out-of-nerd-jail card. <p> No, if you want to make a point, be fucking consistent or shut the fuck up.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    dioxholster...

    by BendersShinyAss

    you call me dilusional then post THAT?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    so where can we see the stars next to us?

    by DioxholsterReturns

    if most of these stars are galaxies then what happened to all those stars next to us! wheres our family?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Autodidac

    by BendersShinyAss

    don't twist my words. i was very clear what i said.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    my uncle told me he had a gift; he could see teleporting particl

    by DioxholsterReturns

    my uncle said he had a gift; he could see teleporting particles with his naked eyes, i swear. he believed that. what if that was true? of course he ended up in the crazy house but still.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Galaxies

    by BendersShinyAss

    the concept of galaxies is wrong. study images, or better yet, download google sky and it becomes apparent that galaxies are NOT huge spirals beyond our own. see this is what I'm talking about. ALL our teachings are wrong. from the same minds who give us images of planets interiors thru diagrame cutaways which show layers and cores. no one knows shit, man.... the furthest anyone has ever drilled is 12km - the russians

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Star Wars isnt sci fi sci fi

    by DioxholsterReturns

    its sci fi but not really. so yes it gets a free pass.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss---- so you know that because????

    by DioxholsterReturns

    again, are you some messiah know-it-all person with gigantic telescopes and exploration ships? no. guess what people who claimed that stuff got these things. so im guessing your just rambling.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Fuck..Still Going Strong I see!

    by conspiracy

    Lockes...Sorry you do not like my occasional stories, I'll shorten them just for you my friend.</p><p>Herc...Dude...no offense, and thanks for your kind words...I have been on this site since before TPM so ya know I am not the casual basher...but Fuck man.</p><p>Someone above said we'd "Hate" the Godfather movies. WRONG...just fucking WRONG...you obviously do not yet understand us.</p><p>Bob...my favorite script puncher, sorry I missed ya...but I'm getting ready for a week down on the Mex-Riv and wasn't around yesterday. Hey...I leave outta San Diego...let me know if ya want me to drop by on my way down and help out with that script, I have a few ideas on how to get Rachel Nichols back into the series without resorting to Slapstick humor, teleporting alien midgets or hole ridden Time Travel plot devices. Ring me up Bro-ham...we'll get some Zankou..I'll buy.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Ah, I See.... You're Either Trolling

    by Autodidact

    of you're schizophrenic. Bravo either way, you crazy fuck. Although I have always questioned how we could know the makeup of our planet's interior. <p> It's funny to think that even though the world is round, the human domain is still basically a big, flat, 2 dimensional plane. There's a lot of space to go around, underneath us, and above us. So just get the fuck out of my face, k?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Oh God, hahahahaha....

    by DocPazuzu

    Bender just can't help himself, can he? He's as big a fucktard as his buddy, Media Messiah. This is a guy who--seriously--believes the Earth is housing a forming star at its core, that Venus is a lush jungle planet, the Moon landings were faked and that David Icke is "on to something". <p> I once asked Bender to provide a link, one single link, to back up his retarded claims. His response? It's science "so new" that it "doesn't exist on the internet yet". That's how cutting edge BendersShinyAss is. <p> Here's one of my favorite BendersShinyAss quotes: <p> "venus is just like earth. believe it. and the moon has an atmosphere and forests... you want pics? hey guess what... type the right words into google image search and at the right size and you can find all sorts of cool shit." (http://tinyurl.com/yjtr8l3) <p> This guy has children, too.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I know people who stoped posting at AICN

    by AsimovLives

    because they felt disgusted with the level of group-thinking that goes around here. Many of them post now at Vern's site. I'm not as harsh about the AICN posters as this guys are, but there's times when it gives me pause. And the way so many in here are so appologetic and mindless in their acceptance of this extremely deeply flawed movie as Jar Jar Abrams's STINO doe smake me think if there might be a point to their complains after all. i never seen before at AICN such an extreme case of group thinking then i found for the STINO appologetic group.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Edward Woodward died??

    by AsimovLives

    Now that's what i call sad news.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    paz

    by BendersShinyAss

    you the guy who hangs from hooks?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Sometimes, the people who post at AICN make me fear for humanity

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    In the words of Captain Sulu:<P>"Shields!!!"

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    and i love...

    by BendersShinyAss

    ...hoiw you couldn't help but chime in... seriously, are you helping me or mocking me? you know... i actually know nothing about this venusian united nations thing you tell me i believe in. ive even googled it - can't find a god damn thing. <p>as for the planets interior - there's several theories i subscribe to.... a ball of magma (puss) it aint!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    and why is it....

    by BendersShinyAss

    When doc Paz arrives.... all his cronies do to??

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    AND....

    by BendersShinyAss

    ....often as new headlines start to stream in. (the mind doth boggle)

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Why does it only qualify as "group think" when it involves a movie you don't like?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    "are you helping me or mocking me?"

    by DocPazuzu

    Take a wild guess.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    RE: ...new headlines start to stream in.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yeah, that's usually what drives traffic to this site. Duh! Unfortunately, the current slate of news/stories blows. So, I thought I would chime in here because the insanity appears to be particularly fresh this morning.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    hahahaha

    by BendersShinyAss

    understand everytime you repeat, adnausiam, you are 'putting it out there' .... <p>seriously, are you the guy who hangs from hooks? pazuzu is a serious name i'm not sure you'r worthy of holding

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I listened to the STINO DVD audio comentary

    by AsimovLives

    I listened to the Jar Jar Abrams/Bob Porci/Klutzman and some other dudes in the STINO DVD audio comentary, and i have to say, now i have even less respect for those assclownsd then i used to. And i had very little before that. This clowns BOAST how little they know of Star Trek. And they are always pointuing out the scenes and sequences which they took and were inspired by STAR WARS. They don't even bother to disguise it! It's funny to see Abrams say that Kirk's apple munching in the Kobiashi Maru scene is not a reference to Wrath Of Khan (thus negating all those who saw in it a reference) but because they thouhg that Kirk eating an appel in that scene made him, in Abram's works", "more of a a smart ass". i also love when Abrams tells that when he asked the composer what the lyrics of epic choral music used for the climax of the movie said, (when Nero's ship is destroyed), the composer said they words of said lyrics were the names of the pet dogs he had all his life.<br><br>Listening to that audio comentary was a mind boggling experience. It was also enlightining. God knows how low an opinion i had of those assclowns responsible for the movie, but now it's even lower. This guys, what a bunch! If ever there was a collection of guys who were the wrong stuff for a movie project, this is it. All the ycare is Star Wars, they don't give a shit about Star Trek, and are proud of it. It's hystericla to see them make big fuzz and issues about the smallest of uninteresting details (like perserving the sympathy for kirk's mother whihc is only seen in ONE SINGLE SCENE), while they even confess know little to nothing about the big fundamental things about Star Trek. What irritates me the most is how carefree they are about admiting as such, as if they couldn't give a shit. I think it's one thing to not feel boggled down by the weight of the preceding mythology, like how Nolan did for his Batman movie. But the attitude that Abrams and Co. demonstrate in the comentary is one of complete desinterest. And this guys are getting praised? For what exactly? For not giving a fuck? Is this the type of filmmakers we should be rewarding now?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    RE: I listened to the STINO DVD audio comentary

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    So, you've watched the movie that you hate with every fiber of your being...AGAIN?!?!<P>WTF???

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    "Why does it only qualify as "group think" when it involves a movie you don't like?"<br><br>Says who? There was group-thinking too for The Dark Knight. And i love TDK. But thankfully for that case, it was for a really good movie. It's still unexcusable, but at least people were responsding in mass for a truly good movie. What's sad is that people repeate the same thing about a movie. But for STINO, the case is particulary bad. Because the praise matches in no way what the movie really is. Even the people who adore the movie make poor reasons for it's ppraising, and most of them is just repetition of studff said by reviewers and from Paramount's own marketing department. It's sad. And very wierd. It's like watching something out of THE VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry, AsimovLives but...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...that is utter bullshit. You forgive the "group think" that surrounds TDK because of your love for it despite some very worthwhile criticisms that have been voiced on this very site. You REALLY seem to have a problem with judging people based upon your subjective tastes. You need to move beyond this and the circular STAR TREK crusade you have set upon yourself.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    "you are 'putting it out there' ."

    by DocPazuzu

    That's right, Bender. The more people see what a complete lunatic you are, the better. <p> Oh, and I love your way of poo-pooing the idea of the speed of light. What you're basically saying is, "Well, the idea that light actually covers distance and that it can be measured is just too big a concept for my atrophied grapefruit of a brain to process, so I'm going to totally make some shit up which will make it easier for me to face the world each morning when I wake up." <p> Ladies and gentlemen, that is cutting edge SCIENCE! <p> How can you even be alive, Bender?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Wait...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...did you say you subscribe to several different theories regarding the core of the Earth? So it's many different things at once? Is there a single one of those theories that you yourself haven't thought up while wearing a straitjacket? Links? Sources? <p> Didn't think so.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by AsimovLives

    I don't understand your puzzlement about me hearing a audio comentary by the filmmakers about a movie i dislike. You never had interest to know why filmmakers made a bad movie and listen their reasons form their own mouths? Really? I'm a movie geek, i have interest not just on the movie si like, but i have also INTEREST ABOUT CINEMA. Should i just had interest for the stuff i like? Isn't that a bit limited and limiting? I love cinema. What's so WTF about that? I really don't understand your puzzlement.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Paz

    by BendersShinyAss

    I'd like to see your credentials please

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    re AssLives

    by DocPazuzu

    Did he buy the DVD, thus lining the pockets of his hate-gods, or did he download an illegal copy? Or does he have a friend who owns the film? Whichever thing he admits to will lead to a shitstorm if he has the balls to answer.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Bender

    by DocPazuzu

    You have made literally no sense whatsoever during your last ten posts or so. "Credentials"? "Hanging from hooks?" <p> Do you have one single coherent thought rattling around in your pointy cranium?

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    IT TAKES ME 2.3 MINUTES TO POP A LOAD OVER MINKA KELLY

    by BringingSexyBack

    I dare you to do better.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    MNG

    by DocPazuzu

    What's worse is that AssLives has stated quite categorically that if a person likes a "stupid shit movie" like Star Trek, then he is stupid by definition. <p> Unless, of course, that person happens to be an online friend of his. That's different. Apparently.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:37 a.m. CST

    THEY FOUND WATER ON THE MOON

    by BringingSexyBack

    WATER. ON. THE. MOON.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I DON'T LIKE TO WATCH DVD EXTRAS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Drains the magic right out of the movie for me.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    MIYAMOTO - THAT WOULD BE ONE AND THE SAME

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    TIME IS RELATIVE TO THE GALAXY

    by BringingSexyBack

    One second might be a year in another galaxy. Or vice versa.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I HAVE ENJOYED ALL THE BIG DUMB MOVIES THIS YEAR, EXCEPT TF2

    by BringingSexyBack

    I caught it on Netflix and there is not a shred of redeeming value to it.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    IS LIGHT A PARTICLE OR WAVE?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    ALL I KNOW ABOUT LIGHT IS CAN'T SEE SHIT W/O IT

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 16, 2009, noon CST

    Time is relative when watching DVD extras

    by ominus

    one second you spend one hour to watch them,the next second you spend one week.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    I HAVE 3 TREK DVD'S EN ROUTE TO ME NOW

    by BringingSexyBack

    I set up 3 different queues and put it at the top of each. And I strategically mailed back 3 previous discs on Saturday morning so they would arrive at Netflix this morning, just in time to get New Trek. I will hold these discs for a couple of weeks just to make others wait and suffer the dreaded Long Wait. BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    My puzzlement stems from the fact that you would submit yourself to such apparent torture. Considering the amount of hate and bile you've spewed forth regarding STAR TREK, it boggles the mind that you would go back to watch it again even with the DVD commentary.<P>But if being a "movie geek" means that you're that much of a glutton for punishment, c'est la vie.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Exactly. And you've posed some excellent questions regarding how Asimov managed to enjoy the commentary and so forth. I'm curious to see if he will respond.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    RE: MINKA KELLY

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yeah, she is stupid hot. Jeter's resume contains enough track-record luck for 10,000 men. He should be fined.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    JETER IS ONE LUCKY SUMBITCH

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack, king of the trolls

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    what a fucking asshole, loser!

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GIRLS HERE, NERD RAGE

    by BringingSexyBack

    This is not your talkback.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    abrams star trek > avatar

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    abrams star trek will crush avatar. trek stole avatars thunder. abrams is the new speilberg. cameron is the new lucas

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, SOMMERS OWNS 2009

    by BringingSexyBack

    Nothing tops GI Joe.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    your not talking about girls. your tossing off to pictures of megan fox. the star of your favorite movie of all time: transformers 2, while imaging what it would be like to not be a virgin anymore.

  • Nov. 16, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    sommers > cameron

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength