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STAR TREK (2009) IN HD!! Hercules Runs Down What To Expect On That Fabulous New Blu-ray Set Due Out Tuesday!!
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I am – Hercules!!
OLD BUSINESS
Before we plunge into the extras on the new Blu-ray set, this is what I wrote about this year’s “Star Trek” three days before it opened in U.S. cinemas. If you don’t want to read a review of the movie itself, scroll past a big chunk of invisotext to where it says “NEW BUSINESS.”
Hercules Gives J.J. Abrams’
New Kirk-Spock STAR TREK
Five Stars Out Of Five!!
J.J. Abrams’ enormously entertaining new “Star Trek” movie will prove the highest-grossing Trek movie BY A MILE, for 12 reasons.
1) IT’S A REPEATER. Things move so fast, and the film is so dense with imaginative plot and imagery, even people who aren’t sure they liked it could find themselves compelled revisit it, and revisit it with a cinema audience. As with “Star Wars” and “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” amazing things fly by at such a furious clip it demands to be seen more than once.
2) IT’S FOR DILETTANTES. And dilettantes drive worldwide box office. Moviegoers need bring no prior love for Kirk, Spock, McCoy or Orion slave girls to the cinema; “Star Trek” will make moviegoers love them all on its own. This is the first great big-screen effort from J.J. Abrams, a guy I’ve been calling a genius since the “Felicity” pilot.
3) IT’S FUNNIER. The new movie is likely the funniest Star Trek project to date, and certainly the funniest since the whale-centric “Star Trek IV.” Abrams’ name is not on the screenplay, but his sophisticated comic acumen suffuses the enterprise. If you will. I laughed more during this movie than I laughed during any non-Apatow movie released last year.
4) IT’S ROYALE. The new “Star Trek” is a corker for the same reason “Casino Royale” is: it had to be. Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Cho, Pegg, Yelchin and Greenwood look, sound and act little like Shatner, Nimoy, Nichols, Takei, Doohan, Koenig and Hunter, and it does not matter. Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Sulu, Scotty, Chekhov and Pike are reborn here as rich and compelling new characters played by new and, in some cases, more accomplished actors.
5) URBAN OFFERS REAL McCOY. Every Trekkie will single out New Zealander Karl Urban’s beguiling performance as the medical officer in large part because he’s the only actor in the movie who succeeds in honoring not only his character but the actor who played his character 40 years ago. Urban takes a tough actor to impersonate, DeForest Kelley, and embodies him spectacularly. And because McCoy masterminds Kirk’s assignment to the Enterprise at a crucial moment, Urban is given a role that’s not only entertaining, but could not prove more pivotal to the Federation’s survival.
6) KIRK’S COOL. That scene that introduces us to Preteen Kirk – the one with the convertible and the robocop we’ve been watching for the last six months – is much more fun in its entirety, thanks largely to a completely unanticipated piece of music – utilized in a manner that filled me with a rare spasm of GLEE! GLEE!!! It is the perfect introduction to two-fisted supergenius James Tiberius Kirk and worth the price of admission in itself.
7) SPOCK’S HEART. The minute we’re done with Preteen Kirk, we jump to tiny Preteen Spock as he navigates a Vulcan teaching machine hugely evocative of the one he navigated at the start of the whale movie. An adorable sequence, it makes you fall in love with this new Spock instantly. Which is key, because Spock is the movie’s heart.
8) BANA OUTPERFORMS. Star Trek villains for some reason almost always indulge an agreeable theatricality, but Australian Eric Bana surprises with a performance that is not only unusually naturalistic but also startlingly American. Heath Ledger died early during principal photography on “Trek,” and I’d wager a sack of cash that Ledger’s performance in the “Dark Knight” trailers brought to bear some influence on Bana’s approach to the Romulan. (I’m also pleased to see the forehead appliances are gone and that the Romulans look like Vulcans again.)
9) ZOE SALDANA’S HOTITUDE. Gene Roddenberry may have boned up for Nichelle Nichols, but she never did a lot for me. Of the second-tier crew, Uhura gets the juiciest upgrade and the gorgeous Saldana makes a lot of it. A far hotter Nichols, lanky Rachel Nichols (“Alias,” “The Inside”), makes a memorable cameo as Uhura’s green, half-naked (and presumably Orion) academy roommate. (Oh, and much love to whoever decided to bring back those fabulous, sexist, objectifying Starfleet minidresses!)
10) BONUS NIMOY. Ever see “The Third Man”? You’re so absorbed in all the intrigue and suspense and comedy surrounding Joseph Cotton’s character that you kind of forget big-deal movie star Orson Welles is in the movie too – but boy is it cool when Welles finally turns up! Spock Prime is the Harry Lime of Abrams’ “Star Trek.” The most iconic thespianic element of the piece, he improbably kicks a perfectly splendid movie into a higher gear.
11) THE GUTSY PREMISE. The ambitious story, which spans centuries and allows the movie to exist as a sequel and a prequel, is dark and inspired. “Star Trek: First Contact” and the prequel series “Star Trek: Enterprise” also make use of warring factions from the future who alter events preceding Kirk’s birth – but Abrams’ “Trek” pushes the conceit well beyond the reach of an episode-ending undo button and into the realm of catastrophic system error and reboot. (It is monstrously cool that Captain Pike is in the movie, but insanely cool what’s done with him.)
12) WHAT’S NOT TO LIKE? The film has flaws, but they are fleeting and don’t diminish overall enjoyment. I will speak of these flaws only in spoiler-cloaking Romulan Invisotext.
* Nero’s quarter-century disappearance is a puzzlement! I have a vision of the Romulan first officer, 19 years into the watch for Spock’s 25-years-later emergence from the wormhole, leaning over to Nero and muttering, “I don’t think he’s coming.” Followed by a beheading and the creation of a new first officer. (A written and shot but deleted sequence depicting Nero’s escape from Klingon prison might have remedied somewhat my confusion.)
* I don’t know how many square miles comprised the surface area of that ice planet, but I’m guessing it’s a pretty mammoth coincidence that Young Kirk and Spock Prime would find themselves situated just a few minutes distance from each other.
* Spock Prime concealing his presence and risking the annihilation of Earth and the other Federation planets just to foster a Young-Kirk/Young-Spock teaming struck me as a wildly unnecessary risk.
* Whatever it looks like in the commercials, the Cloverfield Monster sequence on the ice planet seamlesslessly marries the “bigger fish” scene from “Phantom Menace” to the Space Yeti sequence from “The Empire Strikes Back” without really adding anything. I get why it’s there, but its flashiness doesn’t disguise a flaccid action beat.
* Montgomery Scott’s introduction to the Enterprise probably sounded funny on paper (the engineer gets stuck in the ship’s plumbing!), but the finished product feels like something out of a Harry Potter movie; the sequence works as neither comedy or suspense.
* While poor Pavel Chekhov had to spend two years as ensign in the original series, Kirk is assigned the captaincy of a Constitution-class starship the minute he graduates from the academy. No stints of any length as ensign, lieutenant or commander required. While Kirk’s restoration to the captaincy gives fans serious closure, his meteoric ascension also seems wildly improbable. (It would have been hilarious to get a reaction shot of a certain bald Enterprise security officer as Kirk takes the center seat.) But it’s a movie-ending lapse with mammoth positive emotional resonance, and one audiences will be more than happy to indulge.
The original TV theme plays over the closing credits, which look like the covers of James Blish’s old “Trek” novelizations. Abrams may not be a Trekkie, but he made a movie that makes my Trekkie heart sing.
NEW BUSINESS
And here’s what I write about the new Blu-ray coming out Tuesday:
This movie is rivaled only by the “Star Wars” movies in terms of highly detailed sci-fi production design and special effects. If you haven’t yet purchased a 1080p TV set or a Blu-ray player, this set affords you a superb excuse. (I must have spent 15 minutes just staring at HD freeze-frames of the three illustrations for the proposed Enterprise bridge sets.)
COMMENTARY (2:06:50): director-producer J.J. Abrams, writer-producers Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci, and producers Damon Lindelof and Bryan Burk.
Learn:
* The movie originally began with the birth of Spock, but the sequence was removed because there was too much bouncing between the Kirk and Spock stories, and Spock being older than Kirk prohibited repositioning the scene.
* The Kelvin was named for Abrams’ maternal grandfather Harry Kelvin.
* Abrams’ sister thought the same actor played both George and Jim Kirk.
* The Kelvin’s interiors were shot at a Long Beach power plant.
* Burk suggested cutting the original scene introducing pregnant Winona Kirk. (Another scene now introduces her.)
* At one point transporters were going to teleport the infant Jim Kirk out of his mother’s belly, an act that would save him but kill her.
* The same 23-year-old who created the “Fringe” opening titles also created the wonderful animated “Star Trek” title card and the wonderful planet-filled closing credits.
* William Shatner’s famously odd pronunciation of “sabotage” had nothing to do with choosing the Beastie Boys song.
* The close-ups of young Kirk in the convertible were all shot atop a 20th Century Fox parking lot.
* We originally got to see the hoverbike cop’s face but it was ordered covered with a CGI mask because it was deemed silly-looking.
* The big hole in Iowa in which Kirk ditched the car was indeed a quarry.
* Abrams voiced the cop, and that he’s not sure whether the cop is robot or not.
* Four of the big Vulcan learning bowls were real and the others were effects.
* The first scene introducing adult Spock was shot in a real cemetery chapel with a big greenscreen behind it.
* Screenwriter Akiva Goldsman plays one of Vulcan elders who cause Spock to quit Vulcan and join Starfleet.
* The Iowa bar was actually an old American Legion bar in Hollywood.
* ILM took the spokes out of Kirk’s motorcycle tires.
* Karl Urban wrote the line about where he got the name “Bones.”
* Orci and Kurtzman worked with New Zealander Karl Urban on the “Hercules” and “Xena” TV shows (in which he recurred as Julius Caesar).
* A good-sized shot of Nero in Klingon prison sneakily made its way into the final film.
* The Kelvin bridge set was redressed for the Kobiashi Maru test.
* This is the first movie Tyler Perry acted in that he didn’t himself produce.
* A subplot in which the green Orion girl Gaila helped Kirk subvert the Kobiashi Maru test was cut in part because “Cloverfield” director Matt Reeves felt it made Kirk look too cocky.
(You can still make out a pissed-off Rachel Nichols in the court martial scene.)
* The shuttlecraft hanger is a real blimp hanger, and housed two “real” shuttlecraft among a sea of CGI ones.
* As shuttles zoom off from San Francisco to confront Nero, you can see the U.S. headquarters for Tagruato Corp., which manufactures and markets Slusho.
* Abrams loved the sequence in the Robert Wise movie that introduced the Enterprise.
* Uhura’s initial station in the bowels of the Enterprise was shot in a refrigerated Budweiser plant. Those massive silver cylinders the Starfleet workstations are clustered around are full of beer!
* “Transformers” producer Steven Spielberg repeatedly visited the set and ate sandwiches with the producers on the bridge set.
* Cameron Crowe, after screening an early cut of the film, was astonished to learn Eric Bana played Nero.
* Spock ordering Kirk out of the captain’s chair was improvised by Quinto during a rehearsal.
* There are many stories of fan reaction at the movie’s first public screening at Austin’s Alamo Drafthouse. (Recall everyone was told they’d be watching “The Wrath of Khan” and got this instead!)
* Genius British comic illustrator Bryan Hitch (“The Authority,” “The Ultimates”) helped design Spock’s squidship.
* Scotty keeps a tribble in his office on the Vulcan moon.
* Scotty’s base was also shot at the Budweiser plant.
* Somebody (Orci?) suggests that Admiral Archer’s beagle Porthos should just show up in the last “Star Trek” movie Bad Robot ever produces.
* Enterprise engine room, where they catch Kirk and Scotty? Also Budweiser!
* Zach’s brother Joe Quinto plays one of Nero’s crew.
* Nimoy wrote Spock’s final line: “Thrusters on full.”
* There was thought of giving Nimoy’s movie-ending “These are the voyages …” speech to Shatner!
DELETED SCENES (all in HD on the Blu-ray and all with commentaries by Abrams, Burk, Kurtzman and Lindelof):
* “Spock Birth” (1:52) As strange fauna scuttles across Vulcan, we learn how Spock was named.
* “Klingons Take Over Narada” (:46) The Romulans speak Romulan; the Klingons Klingon.
* “Young Kirk, Johnny and Uncle Frank” (1:36) We meet Kirk’s older brother and jerk of an uncle.
* “Amanda and Sarak Argue After Spock Fights” (:38) Amanda says Spock has to be Spock.
* “Prison Interrogation and Breakout” (3:08) The Klingons all wear helmets that cover their foreheads and noses, neatly sidestepping the question of whether or not these Kirk-era Klingons have bumps. (Abrams’ Romulans, remember, also eschew the forehead appliances introduced in “The Next Generation.”) Curiously, the Klingon inquisitor (Victor Garber) and Nero speak English in the latter part of this sequence!
* “Sarek Gets Amanda” (:22) Spock’s dad, on a Vulcan hoverbike, beckons his wife to seek shelter from the Romulan attack.
* “Dorm Room and Kobayashi Maru (Original Version)” (3:59) We see green Orion girl Gaila’s role in Kirk’s unprecedented victory.
* “Kirk Apologizes to the Green Girl” (:54) A really funny scene dropped along with a subplot about Gaila’s role in helping Kirk conquer the Kobayashi Maru test.
* “Sarek Sees Spock” (:12) Spock’s father doesn’t really see Spock Prime; he just senses him as he walks by.
OTHER EXTRAS (all, pleasingly, in HD on the Blu-ray edition):
* “To Boldly Go” (16:41) Learn the 2009 movie was shot on the same stages the 1966 TV show was. Hear Abrams say he said “yes” to the offer to make a new “Trek” very quickly. Learn Orci was the team’s chief Trekker. Learn Kurtzman was converted after “The Wrath of Khan.” Learn Lindelof watched “Star Trek” repeats on WPIX late at night on a black and white TV set. Learn Burk knew nothing of “Trek.” Learn the altered timeline element was created to eliminate a problem that plagues all prequels, namely: we always know how they end. Recall that Nimoy had indicated long ago that he was done with the character of Spock.
* “The Shatner Conundrum” (1:58) Learn why Abrams met with Shatner as well as Nimoy before scripting the movie and why Shatner ultimately did not appear in it. “It was the needs of canon vs. the needs of the movie,” allows Orci. (Unmentioned is Abrams also met with George Takei.)
* “Red Shirt Guy” (:43) The actor who plays the officer who gets baked by the Romulan drill wonders why he wasn’t given more of the script.
* “The Green Girl” (3:25) “Alias” star Rachel Nichols reveals freckles were added to her green Orion character to make the paint job look less like a paint job, and that Chris Pine got plenty green as well during their make-out scenes.
* “Trekker Alert” (2:22) A really cute bar-scene extra reveals she came to Hollywood to work on the film, and reveals her very real Starfleet insignia tattoo. A chubbier extra reveals he is living a “dork’s dream come true.”
* “Casting” (28:53) Learn Quinto decided he wanted to play Spock after someone mentioned him for the role on a message board. See footage of Saldana chatting with Nichelle Nichols on set. Learn that Urban was watching the “Trek” box sets with his son when he heard about Abrams’ film. Learn that Cho worked with Abrams on “Felicity.” Learn Burk thinks Cho “couldn’t look less like George Takei.” Learn Abrams feared fan anger when he wanted to cast the Korean Cho to play the Japanese helmsman Sulu, but relaxed a bit when Takei told him Roddenberry’s Sulu was supposed to represent all Asians on the show. (Which is why Sulu doesn’t have a Japanese name.) Learn that Yelchin loves Chekhov because Chekhov was chasing tail in “The Apple” while everyone else was working. Learn that Russian-born American-reared Yelchin is a chess genius. See Abrams introducing Yelchin to Walter Koenig. Learn Pegg used to watch the show nightly on BBC2. Learn Pegg is married to a girl from Glasgow. Learn Greenwood’s role as John Kennedy in “Thirteen Days” led to him playing Pike. Learn Abrams thinks Greenwood is “literally the funniest guy I ever met in my life.” See an emotional Nimoy bid the production goodbye.
* “A New Vision” (19:31) A look at what “Star Wars” lover Abrams brought to the new film. Hear Kurtzman describe “Trek” as classical and “Wars” as rock. Learn Abrams used a lot of the same crew he used on “Mission: Impossible III.” Learn Trek was shot anamorphic and on film. Learn that a lot of those lens flares were created by dudes pointing flashlights into the camera, and a lot of them were created by dudes with computers. Watch as Abrams personally vibrates the cameras during shots by shaking their magazines. Learn small children were used to double Kirk, Nero and Klingons.
* “Savage Pressure” (3:08) A look at Scottish first assistant director Tommy Gormley, who loves to say “savage pressure!” for reasons on which I’m unclear.
* “Starships” (24:33) Learn that the Kelvin was already supposed to be an unusually old Starfleet vessel at the time it was sacrficed. (If you can catch a close-up of the captain’s chair, you can see it’s been distressed.) Learn existing locations were used for ship interiors to better give a sense of the vessels’ immense size. Learn the Long Beach power plant that doubled for the innards of the Kelvin was built in the 1930s.
Learn that this movie’s Enterprise is more than twice the length of the one Kirk commanded in the TV show and prior movies. (2,380 feet vs. 948 feet for the original.) Learn the hull of the Queen Mary partially inspired the design of the new Enterprise hull. Learn the Budweiser plant used for Enterprise interiors was the one in the San Fernando Valley, just east of the Van Nuys Airport. Learn cast and crew had to wear helicopter headsets to communicate because the Budweiser plant was so noisy. Learn Uhura’s original Enterprise workstation was in a part of the plant always maintained at 41 degrees Fahrenheit.
Learn the bridge went through three phases of design: the first looked like a cross between the Enterprise-D and something out of “Wall-E,” the second looked too much like the 1960s TV show bridge, and the third and final was a hybrid of the first two. (Like so many aspects of this production, all three highly detailed illustrations depicting the bridge are gorgeous and suitable for framing. And the final design of the bridge was certainly best of the three in my view.) Learn Urban and Pine visited the under-construction bridge set the day the met. Learn Orci was among the last to sit in the captain’s chair and Kurtzman could never bring himself to sit in it. Learn the Narada was seven miles long. Learn the Narada CGI model was so big a single CGI frame of it could take 24 hours for computers to generate.
* “Warp Explained” (1:22) A look at the now-much-darker bussard collectors at the front of the nacelles.
* “Paint Job” (1:14) A look at the Enterprise hull “prism paint” that pays homage to the Enterprise of the 1980s movies.
* “Bridge Construction Accelerated” (1:18) A frame-a-day look at the bridge coming into being.
* “The Captain’s Chair” (:45) Learn the buttons on the chair’s arms really work.
* “Button Acting 101” (1:44) Learn Cho was often hitting “buttons” that didn’t really exist.
* “Narada Construction Accelerated” (1:20) A frame-a-day look at the Narada interior coming into being.
* “Shuttle Shuffle” (1:46) Learn the military transport on which Kirk and McCoy meet was supposed to be 30 or 40 years old.
* “Aliens” (16:30) Learn the alien helmsman on the Kelvin bridge was named Kasia, and he was a male played by a very thin woman. See Deep Roy getting made up as Scotty’s sidekick. Learn this production pioneered “seamless” Vulcan ears. See Nimoy giving Abrams notes on the ears. Learn it was easier to Quinto to pluck his own eyebrows because he could tell when the tweezers actually got hold of something. Learn the biggest ice monster on Delta Vega was named Big Red. Learn in the original script, the ice planet was a desert planet. Learn Big Red actually makes his home in the oceans of Delta Vega.
* “The Alien Paradox” (1:40) A look at dancer/performance artist Paradox Pollack, who created alien movements and coached actors in how to use them.
* “Big-Eyed Girl” (1:35) A look at how they created the memorable look for the alien medical professional who tends to Winona Kirk.
* “Big Bro Quinto” (1:26) A look at Quinto’s big brother Joe, who was recruited into playing a Romulan while visiting the set.
* “Klingons” (1:57) Learn Victor Garber, who played the Klingon interrogator, was given a crinkly Klingon nose to wear beneath his helmet.
* “Drakoulias Anatomy 101” (1:35) Learn the snow creature that gets attacked by Big Red was conceived as a hybrid of a gorilla and a polar bear. (Which would make it a mugato, wouldn’t it?) Learn the Drakoulias originally had very visible testicles.
* “Planets” (16:10) Learn that Vulcan exteriors were shot at Vasquez Rocks, where Shatner fought the Gorn. Learn the drilling platform above Vulcan and the snowy Delta Vega exteriors were filmed simultaneously in different parts of the Dodger Stadium parking lot.
Learn the Starfleet shuttle hanger was actually a 170-foot tall Tustin, Calif., blimp hanger built in 1941 that still services blimps.
Learn the Long Beach city council hall built in the 1970s served as the Starfleet Academy auditorium. Learn that the Cal State Northridge library built in the 1970s served as Starfleet Academy’s exterior. Learn the Iowa sequences were shot in Bakersfield. Learn the production planted 80 acres of wheat in Bakersfield. Learn the Iowa granite quarry young Kirk almost falls into is 600 feet deep and situated in Vermont.
* “Extra Business” (2:29) A look at the production’s army of background performers. Learn they sleep a lot between takes. Learn DGA trainee and extra wrangler Lauren Pasternack is hot stuff.
* “Confidentiality” (2:45) A look at efforts to keep as much about the production secret as possible. Learn there was a whole “confidentiality team” comprised of as many as 40 production assistants. See the covered golf-cart that drove Quinto from his trailer to the set. Learn in the spoiler-foiling scripts McCoy’s lines went to “Henry” while Spock’s were uttered by “Gil.” Learn Pine was photographed in his cadet uniform while peeing just outside the Tustin blimp hanger.
* “Props and Costumes” (9:22) Learn the guy who invented the first flip phone based the device on Trek’s communicators. Learn the movie’s communicators allow the user to see to whom he’s speaking. Learn large pieces of the movie’s phasers flip quickly and dramatically when they’re switched from “stun” to “kill.”
* “Klingon Wardrome” (1:08) We learn how the Klingon uniforms, which all looked like elephant hide, were made without harming a single elephant.
* “Ben Burtt and he Sounds of Star Trek” (11:45) A look at sound designer Ben Burtt and his work on the new “Trek.” Learn Burtt was an early Trekkie and took the sounds of the TV show as an inspiration for this work on the original “Star Wars.” Learn that Burtt could not watch the earliest episodes of “Star Trek” when it was first broadcast because his college was situated too far from the transmitters of any NBC affiliate, so he had his father make reel-to-reel audio recordings of the episodes. Learn Burtt could not track down how the series’ original sound effects were created. Learn Burtt’s tennis shoes sqeaking on his kitchen floor and the hiss of a trolley car’s doors opening were combined for the new Enterprise’s doors. Learn Burtt used an ancient Moog synthesizer to recreate many of the series’ memorable sound effects. See the chimes used to create transporter materialization. See how a long Slinky-like wire coil, a c-clamp and a step-ladder were used to create the photon torpedo fire.
* “Score” (6:28) Learn movie composer Michael Giacchino watched “Trek” as a kid and still owns the action figures he had back then. See his orchestra play the original Alex Courage theme. Hear him explain why it wasn’t used until the end of the movie. Learn an odd-looking Chinese violin was used to perform Spock’s theme. See Abrams play the banjo.
* “Gene Roddenberry’s Vision” (8:47) A look at how the pioneering efforts in the areas of civil rights and space travel influenced the TV show’s creator. Learn that Orci hopes there’s an interplanetary federation watching us right now, waiting for us to become advanced enough to join up.
* “Starfleet Vessel Simulator” Interactive HD tours of ILM’s CGI Enterprise and Narada. You can fire phasers and torpedoes or play short videos that give you wrap-around looks at the Enterprise’s main bridge and corridors – or a glimpse of the Narada’s sinister extraction drill.
* “Gag Reel” (6:22) Flubs, foul-ups, dancing and lots of Abrams thumping a wireless microphone. It ends with Pine and Quinto aboard Spock’s squidship, performing their entire scene with Scottish accents.
* “Teaser Trailer” (1:18) Welders create an Enterprise in Iowa as Spock says, “Space: The Final Frontier.”
* “Theatrical Trailer: The Wait Is Over” (2:14) Kirk dumps a car in the quarry, plus footage of Spock and Nero that didn’t get into the movie.
* “Theatrical Trailer: Prepare for the Beginning” (2:17) Pike dares Kirk to do better. May 8 is promised.
* “Theatrical Trailer: Buckle Up” (1:03) Uhura wonders aloud if Kirk knows what he’s doing.
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'
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It sucked
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Cool FX
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Wanted a better story/dialogue
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one of the best looking Blu ray I've seen
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Infowars.com
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Star Trek was pretty groovy. I admired Abram's direction.
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Now that's what I call a lot of extras.
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Seriously, those out there still defending this movie..hang your heads in shame. If this giant ad doesn't convince you how blatantly one-eyed this site and sci-fi mags in general have been about this movie, you're living in ga-ga land. This movie and this review have seriously made me ask myself why I come to this site. Utter drivel.
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it literally took me more than a week to get through them all
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everything he hates....gotta love it
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don't forget the mainstream press! 95% positive on Rotten Tomatoes!
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them too.
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And some other companies too. I used to be able to do it on wb blu-rays like departed and I am legend, then I couldn't a-b repeat on The Dark Knight, but we recently got batman 1989 and I could use it again. What gives? Btw we play blu rays on our ps3.
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AsimovLives doesn't like it.
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A well-directed, well-written dramatic piece of filmmaking.
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...Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan instead. Now that s a great movie!!!
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Got my shades on special order
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Because of this movie, she is working her way through TOS... and she historically hates sci-fi. There's something to be said for that even if this version has its share of haters.
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Further proof AICN is kissing Abrams ass at every opportunity.
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ever defend the writing and directing. Shoddy TV-level at best.
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Ain't right to charge a person twice for the same fucking movie...
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I hereby defend this film's brilliant screenplay and glorious, innovative, meticulous direction.
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If you have Star Wars on Blu-ray I will gladly buy it off you.
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NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN: 94%
THE DEPARTED: 92%
THERE WILL BE BLOOD: 91%
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how in the hell did young kirk just get shot to a planet and land exactly 30 yards from spock primes cave....that almost ruined the movie for me to be honest, even with 'suspension of disbelief'
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Helping the DVD sales, hah? Who much is your cut dickheads? Or you get other bonus? Like set visting etc?
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Bill, you and I know Abrams is gonna come crawlin' and offer you shitloads to be in the sequel. You are the coolest motherfucker on Planet Earth. You know what to do. Smile, shake your head and walk away...timeless.
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and loser JJ couldnt include him in this movie cos some BS story reason.
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Credibility? Fuck that. Buy shit!
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Herc would defend SNL with his life which is why he loves this bullshit movie made by the same guy who came up with Felicity. Fuck this piece of shit movie and fuck Hercules...worst person writing for this site. Huge douchebag who loves crap aimed at the average American retard. This site is nothing like it was back in the day and Hercules is part of the problem. Every article now seems like a bought ad by studios and networks. He thinks his bashing Leno's ratings are so renegade but it is the same hacky shit Howard Stern is doing, but nobody gives a shit about. Lame, just like this reboot.
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Yes, I see something suspicious- you can't understand a majority of reviewers obviously disagree with you. My God, IMAGINE!!! Your opinion is not... FACT!?! How the hell did that happen??? People are entitled to their own views? Huh? Personally, just my opinion, I'd completely agree with those numbers. Sure, some people don't like the end of "No Country" or found "There Will Be Blood" a bit too intense, but believe it or not, others looked beyond that. I hate to say it, but it always seems to be American audiences that either go one way "OMG!!! Best filum EVAR!!!" or the equally retarded "ZOMG! That SUCKED!!!" - God forbid if you suggest any degree in between, you're 'obviously' wrong...
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Despite the whining twats wailing about this film, and this site 'selling out', it does not detract one iota from the fact that millions and millions of people worldwide have enjoyed this film.
It must really twist the tits of the anally retentive Trekkies that this film is probably the most successful trek film of all time - it brought sci-fi to masses of people who would not normally be interested (especially in fucking Trek), and some whining bastards think this is a BAD thing?! -
Nov 14, 2009 5:46:58 AM CST
Carl's hat, then it begs the question
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Why are you even fucking here? Don't worry, man. You won't be missed. See ya!
All this hate for AICN liking Star Trek is strange. It's not like they are the only ones. Ok it's a love/hate thing with this movie, but to make out it's all some conspiracy is just nuts. What does it matter to you if others like what you don't? very very bizzare indeed. Get over yourselves. You are wasting your time.
As for posting the DVD details. I'm so glad Herc did as I wasn't sure what was on this and now I know I'll be ordering it for sure. The title says it all. What a foolish thing to click on it if not interested. -
That is where the federation base is in that sector. That's also where Nero sent spock isn't it? Makes perfect sense to me. How else would you have got kirk and old spock to meet up to push the story forward then?
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If you think those films are absolutely not as good as that shitty Star Trek film and that statistics from a web site that average critic's opinions somehow prove it....well fuck you and your broken concept of reality. RT will take reviews from po-dunk bullshit small market writers and websites that don't review it based on a an actual scale and just say they half-liked it and that is given as a positive review. The huge number of critics who lap up lots of Hollywood bullshit tend to skew the numbers these days. Stop justifying shit movies based on RT arguments. If you are going to defend the movie, refer to the movie itself with it's shitty storyline, bullshit treatment of characters, contrived plot points, awful dialogue and hammy acting. Beastie Boys playing while kid Kirk drives a car off a cliff? Spock and Uhura in love? Ugly green chick is supposed to turn me on? Original Spock just happens to be on a planet they get dropped off on? They even let Kirk take command of the ship at the point he does? Stupid ass orbital skydive? KIRK EATING AN APPLE DURING THE KOBAYASHI MARU!?!?!? This movie eats shit sandwiches for breakfast.
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3 sphincters of the same blowhole.
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Did the bad man make a Star Trek film that didn't slavishly follow decades of tired, self-important, bloated, dusty and boring accepted Trek tradition?
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Anyone bitching about this film has seriously got to look at themselves. Have you not been paying attention? STAR TREK has been flatlining for years - this movie was just what that universe needed. Breezy, funny and entertaining. Something Star Trek hasn't been this effortlessly since The Voyage Home. Sure, here's hoping the sequel ups the emotional ante a little more, hits a bit heavier. But I'll take this over Star Trek - The (slow) Motion Picture - and look how the sequel to that ended up?
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Which explains why you must love it. Target demographic reached!!!! Go watch some Felicity.
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"Beastie Boys playing while kid Kirk drives a car off a cliff?" - Nice in joke for fans of Shatner
"Spock and Uhura in love?" - Sure why not. People said the same thing back in the day about Kirk and the space girl. Which brings me to the next one...
"Ugly green chick is supposed to turn me on?"- No. it's a homage again to Kirk and it turns him on.
"Original Spock just happens to be on a planet they get dropped off on?" - That was covered above I think.
"Stupid ass orbital skydive?" - Well they couldn't teleport down so what do you suggest instead?
"KIRK EATING AN APPLE DURING THE KOBAYASHI MARU!?!?!?" - A homage again to kirk. This time the Wraith of Khan.
hey guess what? You didn't like it, but I'm a fan of trek and I did. There's no right or wrong here, but hope you have a better understanding now of why people did? And certainly no reason to get so mad over it all. -
Your personal attacks aside, I am inviting you to watch Wrath of Khan back to back with JJ Abrams' Star Trek...and you will witness a far better film in Khan, by leaps and bounds.
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Why does STAR TREK's home release get a dedicated talkback on AICN?
Can we expect the same for TERMINATOR SALVATION, DISTRICT 9, HARRY POTTER?
Herc, we can all see you're checking in on this tb - please clarify why this particular home release gets a write up all of its own? -
It's a geek staple, like SW and LOTR, which I'm pretty sure had dedicated TBs.
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What I see is a great prequel to Khan. They are both different but work rather great as a double bill thinking about it. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Would love to see the same treatment for Distict 9. One place. one click. no searching around the net trying to get not only what's on the disc but details about what they contain. Awesome stuff. Say "thank you, Herc" like a good boy.
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Pawprint, I think the Extended Editions of LOTR were reviewed - but let's face it they were almost new movies.
Maybe others know different but I don't EVER remember a Blu Ray release of a theatrical cut getting a dedicated tb. -
They made a fun, accessible sci-fi film that appealled to MILLIONS - not morons.
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And it's on Blue Ray? I had no idea until -just- now.
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I vote for the guy in that movie.
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I am fairly sure SW: TPM DVD got a TB.
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Player_Two, i'd like to see that too. I just want a modicum of fairness in coverage. I'd much rather see a full article on the 'big' home release geek movies than a little sentence in Harry's oft-delayed DVD column.
But when there is no fairness then it gives ammo to the people that claim AICN's 'favor' can be bought $. -
Nov 14, 2009 6:18:02 AM CST
Sounds like zargotron is an embodiment of that Onion video.
by sapno_krei
I know a guy who was and is a devoted fan of Trek -- knows every minor character by name, references plot points I have no clue about, and can tell you the entire construction "history" of every version of the Enterprise. And *he* loved this new Trek enough to see it twice in a row in one day. And then again the next day.
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Nov 14, 2009 6:24:13 AM CST
Cobra--Kai, which is what this might become
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
How about the thought that it wasn't done before because this is something new? I'm sure the studios are grateful you are here to try and keep a fair balance though.
I also agree with the Harry DVD column comment. Give it over to herc to give as many details as possible if Harry doesn't have the time. What's the harm it's just one extra headline on the front page of AICN. Nothing to get bent out of shape about. -
It just serves to prove that prequels are never as good as what proceeded them.
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Nov 14, 2009 6:32:53 AM CST
Media Messiah, oh you are the nutcase here!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Sorry I thought I was talking to someone sane of mind. My mistake. You are the resident fruitcake. I remember now! Let's forget it yeah? I'd rather not communicate with you if that's ok? thanks!
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Nov 14, 2009 6:36:03 AM CST
Hercules, how long did it take to type that article out?
by famouseccles
you could have just said there was lots of good stuff on it. Honestly, listing out trivia from the commentary is pretty pathetic. don't you have a family? or friends?
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This might have been the nail in the coffin of Trek interest.
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Nov 14, 2009 6:50:51 AM CST
diora baird? is she on the dvd or was she replaced by rachel nic
by pjvader
never got to the bottom of that one, she was in all the magazines etc as orion slave girl but not in the movie or listed in the deleted scenes is she anywhere to be seen?
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JJ and his trek will be talked about years and years from now for whatever reason. While your post will be long forgotten in what? About an hour or so?
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Loved this film. Been a Trek fan for a long time...a bonus for anyone with a pause button, when the Enterprise comes out of warp and finds itself in the middle of federation ship wreckage, the guys and gals at ILM put in a special piece of wreckage...none other than R2D2 goes flying past the window/view screen.
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It may have had flaws (inviso text be damned, the Scotty sequence was more like Willy Wonka and Augustus Gloop) But it has far fewer flaws and smaller flaws than most trek films of the past. There is no need to deconstruct this, it's excellent stand alone or for Trekkers. Show me a movie that you think is flawless, and I'll find flaws.
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hopefully the Blu Ray will be reference quality HD material...I'm very picky with my Blu Ray selection
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Nov 14, 2009 6:57:40 AM CST
PowerRing, I'll take up that challenge!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Dr Strangelove?
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Stupid bullshit justification to defend Star Trek written by someone who didn't know jack shit about Star Trek and remade it as mindless crap for the masses. He read the cliff notes for Trek and put in some meaningless bullet points...that doesn't make it good. It was an brainless action flick for idiots...glad your moronic love of crap enjoyed it. Again, now go back to watching Felicity.
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You can't correct your postings on here. I meant to say 'nail in the coffin of MY interest'. JJ and his Trek, that sounds like some failed '80's garage band. Anyway, why do all reboots have to feature these guys who look they should be in shampoo ads and not movies. Oh well.
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Nov 14, 2009 7:06:56 AM CST
A sequel, a prequel, and a remake - is this the only movie to do
by ahdvd
I find it hard thinking of another movie that qualifies for all 3 categories?
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Domestic $257 milliom
overseas: $127 million
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The one who keeps going on about Felicity or the one who doesn't even know what the fuck it is? ...one sec I'll google...
...oh it's a JJ tv series. We didn't get that in my country. I'll be sure to check it out so I can at least give you the pleasure of the insult making any sense to me and having the effect you desire. I'll indulge you this one time. It seems to be all you have. -
There are so many issues with the new star trek its almost funny, unintentionally and this is from a 20 some girls view....IM me shortpagirl on yahoo!
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'a film with with dense imaginative plot and imagery?' get the fuck out of here Herc.
You know i really dont mind if there are people who like this film,who had a joyful experience with it.I must admit that it is a good popcorn flick,you can enjoy it for what it is: mindless entertainment
But i wont accept two fucking things,especially from guys who are self-proclaimed as professional movie critics:
that this movie is from an artistic point of view well-written and well-directed
and that this thing is clearly about Star Trek.
i am sorry Herc but you are off-side in both things,and you may try your best to persuade people to buy this bluray movie,(i wont say that you work for the studios,after all we all must eat to live),but at the end you only manage to lower your credibility towards the people who demand something more than mindless fun,to be entertained. -
action for people bored with any real story that makes sense at all. Yeah kirk became captain immediately out of training school...uh MAJOR plot issue..!!!!
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That this is for dilletantes.
In other words, not for hard core fans.
If you're the sort of person who knows the ins and outs of the prime directive, or how long it takes to rise through the ranks to Captaincy, or can spot the technobullshit in the script, or the gaps in logic, etc.. then this isn't for you.
Unfortunately, I saw the movie early at a festival, and never saw Herc's warning. As such, I thought the movie was fucking terrible. An absolute travesty. But I still recommended it to my brother in law, because he's not a Trek head, and I told him it was like a cross between Galaxy Quest and Independence Day. (Some jokes and explosions.) He really liked it, as I knew he would.
So, good movie, I guess. Just a really shit Star Trek movie. Because Trek at its best, made you think. And this movie only works if you DON'T think too much. -
Freckles, I don't think the training school was fit for purpose.
Did you see that red-shirt guy who base jumped towards the drill platform with Kirk? He was evidently a Starfleet graduate, just seemed like an undisciplined 'xtreme' asswipe to me tho. -
Everyone I know enjoyed it and many have it on pre-order. All fur coat and no knickers, perhaps, but much to like. Funnily enough it was the instant promotion to Captain that bothered people. There was enough goodwill to let all the wild coincidences and plot holes slide, but throwing some cocky ensign the keys to the flagship bugged people. Unfortunately since it's the closing scene it's what you're left thinking about, and strangely it seems to throw the whole shebang into fantasyland more than all the aliens and flashy lights. Wouldn't have hurt to leave that for the end of the sequel.
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You haven't lost it have you? You didn't really just paste your real address in an open talkback did you? good luck going through all those cock shots. As for kirk. it was 3 years or something after training wasn't it?
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Surely you've honoured your promotional commitments by now???
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Thanks for proving my point that those who liked the film can't defend it on any kind of practical basis and therefore have to resort to childish name-calling.
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Guaranteed to piss off Goat loving Portuguese everywheres though.
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Your comment made me grin, but I know that deep down you know enough about the arts of screenwriting, dialogue, performance, direction and cinematography to know that this new Trek was a TV movie on a huge budget. Though you really don't expect major studio blockbusters to shoot futuristic engine rooms in a Budweiser factory.
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It made more money than this. I bet it also had less plotholes than Star Wars..er...Star Trek.
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Right, this new Trek is a cliffs notes version indeed.
Media Messiah: There's no point trying to tell people to watch JJs shitfest and Wrath of Khan back-to-back. They would just think Khan was slow, and had, like, you know, bad sfx and actors in toupees and shit. Let them enjoy their fast-food version of Trek, they'll learn their mistake in a few years when the re-runs of the new film have nothing to offer them beyond surface gloss. The old Treks have already stood the test of time and will continue to do so. -
The correct title is Star Trekwars.
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...on a Saturday morning!Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
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Nov 14, 2009 8:07:33 AM CST
The friendship between Kirk & Spock is ruined here
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
There are many reasons why i left the cinema after watching this with a bad taste in my mouth, but the main reason was what happens to Kirk and Spock in this movie.Perhaps i'm wrong and i need to re-watch it (*shudder*) but i walked away with the impression that one of the greatest friendships in science-fiction is born from Kirk meeting an older Spock and being told that they'll be great friends. And that's IT. He becomes friends with Spock simply because he's TOlD TO.That SUCKS.
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I was surprised you gave your yahoo address. That's not the safest thing to do, so I googled it, thinking it must be a joke or something.
Imagine my surprise when the only shortpagirl in the search results, was on a website called "Show me your wife" :-).
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the most successful movie of the franchise.Yes it was the less Star Trek movie,but it was also a well-made movie,with a decent story,a message,and a lot of entertainment which it was not mindless.everything in that movie,served a purpose and was not thrown randomly like Spock in the reboote movie.i mean really what the fuck was Spock's purpose in the movie's story,besides the fact that he was a bait for the fanboys to go and watch the movie.
And you know what else: the TOS characters were very funny while also maintaining their true identity.They didnt become clowns of themselves to bring laughs to the audience,like JJ did ie with Scottie.
so spare me the excuse that the new star trek movie is not a movie for the HC fans,that they are never going to like it.No,the problem is that the fucking movie was mediocre,a product with iconic ingredients,impressively repacked for the modern audience. -
This was one awesome piece of entertainment! I love the "STAR TREK is classical while STAR WARS is rock" line. This IS STAR TREK, and no one should claim otherwise. And always remember...SPECIAL EFFECTS RULE THE UNIVERSE!!!
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I've never seen such blatant shilling for a movie (or anything for that matter) as this. You'd think this movie was the second coming of Obama or something.
And your flaws list misses the biggest one of all: A BLACK HOLE IS *NOT* A TIME PORTAL! Anyone with a third grade education knows that. -
So I'm not sure what your point is. Are you trying to say that Trek 4 wasn't for the Hard Core audience? I think it was.
It just wasn't *exclusively* for the hard core audience. It also had broad appeal.
The new movie just has broad appeal. But it's filled with too many mistakes for a hard core audience to like it. At least that's my take on it. -
I don't mean to be rude. But I'm naturally a very cynical person. I have a hard time dealing with people who seem happy without a cash incentive & who say stuff like "And always remember...SPECIAL EFFECTS RULE THE UNIVERSE!!!". I can almost imagine you using air quotes & grinning. I feel sick. You have no right to be happy.
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yeah its my yahoo.....I was gonna chat about the star trek movie is all!
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are the plot holes in this little gem. Now we can see them in HD. Tell me, how will destroying the sun with a black hole before it blows up save Romulus?
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GeorgieBoy, I believe AICN is owned by a private individual and is unregulated in what content it chooses to post. So if a Studio or Marketing Firm paid them $5k to place this article then that would be entirely legal. That's how I understand the situation to be.
I did ask Herc nicely about why aicn chose to promote this particular dvd release with a dedicated tb but he hasn't yet responded. -
...particular product, should you have to say so when you promote that product? I seem to remember hearing about new legislation on the subject...either under discussion, being proposed, or something. It seems like a good idea.
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Seriously, is it possible to have too many extras? All those short little segments? I get it. You used a green screen and inserted CGI afterward...
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was cool, but that whole scene was a big 'fuck you' to everyone over the age of 30. It was basically a talentless hack saying, 'you know all that stuff your dad thinks is cool, well we're gonna throw it off a cliff because our version is much cooler. If you know, you could actually work out what you were looking at.
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Don't worry, buy an Aston Martin Vanquish. Aston Martin vanquish..it's the massive cock of Luxury cars.
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That's what this movie is missing! It's just a poor imitation of the original.
And how much lens flare can one movie subject it's viewer too? Jeez.
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Getting paid to shill a movie like this is not only dishonest but immoral. Something AICN is I guess. How can you trust any of their reviews if they do this? (Now I'm wondering how much Harry got paid to write a good review of Armageddon...)
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was the scene at the start where the Captain orders the viewscreen to be polarised or something. I thought "Hang on, if they can do that, why the fuck are they sitting there in blinding sunlight?".
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It simply was a fast food, MTV< Nascar version of science fiction, relying on ONLY gloss and FX and lens flares and tilting cameras. It wont stand the test of time, but will make big money on people wanting junk food!
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I sort of liked it when I first saw it. There was a lot I didn't like, but I appreciated the scale of it.
Having seen it again though, I noticed just how basic & shallow it was. It's very superficial & skips a lot of stuff that needs to be answered.
It also lacks true emotional depth or depth of character. All in all, it's fun, but about as deep as a scotsman's favourite pocket. -
I was -- still am -- one of those who reveres Wrath of Khan as the greatest Star Trek movie, but I went back and watched it again shortly before the new Trek flick came out and you know what? It hasn't actually aged that well. Hokey dialogue, hammy/stilted acting, plot points that seem more and more ludicrous as time goes by. And believe me, as a lifelong Trek fan it hurts my heart to say these things, but I think the Wrath of Khan we endlessly compare every Trek film with exists more in our memories than reality. Yeah, it kicked my ass when I first saw it as a teen, and there's no denying its place in Trek history as the film that revitalized -- hell, created -- the Trek franchise and basically defined post-TOS Star Trek. But if you look at both films without the warm filter of nostalgia, new Trek actually holds up pretty well against Wrath of Khan, and in cinematic terms, bests it in many ways. Wrath remains and will probably always be my favorite Trek film, but I don't know that I'd call it a better film, period. Heresy, I know, but there it is.
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...new laws I was hearing about. Journalists and news sites are theoretically bound by certain rules about full disclosure etc... Private sites and blogs are accountable to no one. Increasingly, journalistic and private sites look exactly the same...it's confusing and dilutes the believability of all internet content (say it isn't so!)Paid advertising is OK, but it should probably be clearly marked...like those annoying "paid advertising" sections in your favorite magazine.
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COWBELLS.
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it was a movie made for the mass population. full of action and little substance.it was never made for die hard fans. the only real good thing that came out of this movie. is that hopefully the new fans will go back and find out what trek is really about.
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A lot of their "news" stories are actually advertising. They lure people in to read a story, then give them the hard sell.
A good, well trained Journalist can do it so that only other Journalists & smart, over-analytical people can tell it's an advertisement. Unfortunately, AICN staff can't.
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Am I the only one who noticed the blink and you'll miss it Ben Stiller Romulan cameo?
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Can't wait to get this, great film and thanks for the run-down Herc.
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GeorgieBoy, I said *if* we're talking theoretical here my friend.
This is nothing new. Marketing Firms employ hundreds of highly skilled professionals who's sole remit is to ensure that their clients 'product' launch (be it a dvd or a candybar) makes as big a splash as possible. Paid advertizing generally pales in effectiveness next to 'positive word of mouth' and that's why no doubt many marketeers would want to have a v.close 'relationship' with Harry.
He certainly accepts free gifts and has written as much but whether or not he would differentiate gifts from money in the bank I truly don't know. For all my noble intentions, I'm personally not sure that I would.
At the end of the day this isn't a subscription site for us readers - it's free - so Harry's freebies (whatever form they might take) are not a massive issue.
We've all seen massive inconsistencies in the positive/negative reviews Harry writes. One week he'll sing the praises of a plastic studio crapathon (like VAN HELSING and SPIDERMAN 3) the next week he'll damn the very same style of flick (TRANSFORMERS 2, 2012). QED. Draw your own conclusions. -
A) Swelling Goofy-Ass Kirk
B) Flushing ScottyThere are a ton of other things that are debatable, but I have yet to see a remotely reasonable explanation for these two and why they were necessary for the movie.The same people that 'love' this Trek are the same idiots running out to see 2012, they are the same movie. Lots of flashy good looking effects, no depth, no plot whatsoever. -
Yes Asi, Christmas can come earlier
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Nov 14, 2009 9:25:07 AM CST
...the sad thing is that at this point, you have to assume...
by flickapoo
...that any private site or blog is bought and payed for. It might very well not be, but you have to assume that it is.
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Nov 14, 2009 9:29:46 AM CST
NOW IF ONLY WE COULD GET BETTER WRITERS FOR THE SEQUEL.....
by tehcreepythinman
I know AsimovLives hates the new Trek with the burning rage of a thousand suns but, and I've said this before, I loved Abrams Direction and the casting was perfect. Now all we need is some better writers and we could see a truly classic New Trek film. I want this series to succeed and hopefully Abrams will realize what dead weight Orci and Kurtzman are around his neck. Maybe he could get Ronald D. Moore who not only ushered in the best years of Star Trek The Next Generation but also blew my ass off with the new Battlestar Galactica and I never even liked the original show!!! Seriously, get Moore and team him with Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, who are the BEST Star Trek novelists, and you’d really have a shot at making a fucking great sequel.
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TREK and 2012 are the same movie?! Fuck Off.
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...review of my latest picture book I can get you a copy lickety split...with a patented five dollar bill book mark thrown in.
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but it's the fakery that annoys most people. I mean, look at the article. There's no point to it! None at all. It's there to do a job, i.e, advertise & to pretend otherwise is silly.
Oh & Miyamoto_Musashi, I just found out the other day, I'm about a 20 mins boat ride from Musashi's most famous fight. I had no idea!
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Thank you.
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one small example of how Holywood basterdizes everything,even its own properties,in the name of profit:
Gimli turned into comic relief for the masses = Scottie turned into comic relief for the masses.
and you have the idiots here who defend the movie as a good cinematical work of art.OFC it is good you morons,because it is made for your low level IQ.how else were you supposed to go and give your money to the big costumes of Holywood? mindless fun indeed,since you dont have the mind for something more than that.
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Uh...dude you see Kirk cover a lot more ground then 30 yards, plus there is a cut between when he lands and when he see him (now in a storm to suggest a passage of time) bitching about Spock for his log.
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Sure, the writing sucked and the direction was weak, but everyone who watched the film knew it could have been much worse. That being said, once again we have a Star Trek movie about Star Trek. Who cares? I think it will be all downhill from here. What they should do is just kill the franchise and go with a spin-off -- Bones McCoy: Space Doctor The Adventure Begins!
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The fact that this movie had one of the lamest villains in TREK movie history, the plot was blatantly lifted from STAR WARS IV, was science and franchise illiterate and riddled with ridiculous holes and coincidences (like the Kirk/Spock/Scotty meet-up) should have shaved more than a few points off of that astronomical 95% rating, so yeah, I smell something fishy there that goes beyond a mere difference of opinion.
If this movie had received a flurry of middling reviews and was down around the seventies, I wouldn't be so concerned...there might be some hope that the next installment would shoot higher. That the critics are so willing (and possibly so GREEDY) that they're giving this a free pass when they so scrutinized WATCHMEN and TERMINATOR (for instance) means that in all likelihood, the same garbage will be foisted on us the next time around.
If there's a hint of shit smell on that sloppy joe, I won't be there, and given how quickly this thread turned into a backlash, I suspect a lot of others won't, either. Consider yourself warned, Paramount. -
An hour long recreation of LESBIAN HOMEWORK SESSION starring Zoe Saldana and Diora Baird. Why has God not given us this most precious of gifts? FUCK YOU GOD!!!
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I just had a thought about the big coincidence of Kirk running into Spock Prime...
Okay when the Enterprise fired Kirk's pod toward Delta Vega they would have tried to get it pretty close to the Federation base, no one wanted to kill Kirk, just get him out of their hair.
Now when Nero deposits Spock Prime on Delta Vega, making him watch the destruction of his home-world, Nero wanted him to live with that pain as he had been force to, so is it possible that Nero knew there was a Starfleet Outpost on the planet? That he didn't want Spock to die, just to suffer? -
Does seem to have a funny vibe of being the place you exile people, both Scotty and Kirk being there as a form of punishment, and Spock Prime for revenge/justice romulan style.
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Yes! Brilliant James C. I spent like a half an hour the other day dissecting this new film and the others and that's the problem that was on the tip of my tongue that I forgot to mention. Since Voyage Home all the Star Trek movies have been about Star Trek and nothing more. I don't give it a "wasn't that bad" review" because they had the chance and the budget to finally make a real movie, but no, they simply did what all the TV types have been doing with the franchise since TMP. And while I think Wrath of Khan is the best film, it never blew me away as a cinematic experience, only as a movie about a guy named James T. Kirk.
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Two reasons; the cast and the pacing. Keep the plot moving fast enough and populate the movie with good/likable actors and an audience will eat it up as they did with New Trek while ignoring the inconsistencies and outright stupidity of the script. Remember, sites like AICN represent, I’d say, less than 1% of the general population, while the other 99% just don’t give a shit. If you throw enough state of the art effects and action people will watch anything as in evidence of Transformers success. Sadly, most people don’t want movies that are challenging and intelligent because it makes them feel stupid. This is why movies like La Vie En Rose or Perfume : Story of a Murderer makes fuck all at the box office while Twilight and New Trek makes serious bank. Most people are dumb.
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Nov 14, 2009 10:03:47 AM CST
...so this is going to continue being a boring old STAR TREK...
by flickapoo
...talkback and not become a fascinating conversation about the ethics of journalism Vs. private opinion, paid advertising Vs. financially influenced opinion?Oh well, I tried...
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Did no one else know that Wil did the voices for the off-screen Romulans?
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New Trek = 2012, and you have not a single way to dispute this. Both are vapid, glossy crowd-pleasers with no substance aimed at those who made Paris Hilton and the various Kardashians famous for nothing.Ominus I do have to disagree a bit on LOTR, a little comic relief is ok in films, in many it is a necessity to build character. The problem is when the writers don't understand subtlety and diverge from comic relief into slapstick at completely inappropriate times and in inappropriate genres. LOTR needed a little lightness here & there, its a 12 hour epic. Star Trek needed a little humor as the original had, but what we got was George Lucas-esque Jar Jar Kirk.
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but its just a useless argument, having worked in the media I'll tell you journalistic ethics last just about as long as it takes from walking out of the classroom to walking onto the job the first day. "Journalistic Ethics" is very much an oxymoron
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...for "Best Verbal Fellatio".
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Flickapoo, this infomercial article has obviously done it's job.
Hey when's the (fabulous) Blu Ray released? Oh silly me 'Tuesday' it says so in THE FUCKING HEADLINE.
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ive been a huge fan of trek since the 80s or there abouts and i thought this was the best film out of all of em. i also like new battlestar galactica and star wars prequels OMG!. if your that upset that this film didnt cater to decades of bloated convoluted trek lore you must be a socially retarded manboy living an extremly unfulfilling life. get out more, swallow your nerd rage and get the fuck over it. good film, hope the next one is exactly like it. star trek is dead..long live star trek
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Saw the UK release and posted a review here on the Season 5 finale talkbacks that are still going on.
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Nov 14, 2009 10:18:49 AM CST
REMEMBER, PEOPLE COMPLAINED ABOUT BACK TO THE FUTURE PART 2.....
by tehcreepythinman
I remember people bitching that they didn’t understand what was going on because they couldn’t grasp the idea that the events of Part 2 took place not only in an alternative version of Hill Valley in 1985 but also from an alternative perspective of what went on in 1955. These are the same morons who complain about being confused over Mission : Impossible and the scene where Ethan Hunt and Jim Phelps are lying to each other while Hunt is piecing together what really happened in his own head and how he had been played from the beginning by Phelps and Krieger while denying, in his own mind, that Claire was involved because of his feeling for her. Made perfect sense to me but apparently didn’t to 99% of those who saw the movie. Anyway, Back to Back to the Future part 2 made me realize that the general public are not capable of using their brains when it comes to film structure which is why they lap up mindless shit like Bayformers as great Sci-fi movies like A Scanner Darkly and The Fountain bomb.
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...on his site is writing about dvd releases. Seriously, I don' know what's happening but I've been spending less and less time on his site.
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Before someone balks at what I wrote about Voyage Home and I get labeled an "Ass Hat" or "Douche Bag" for not noticing that Voyage Home had a save the Whales message, yes, I acknowledge that the film paid lip service to its sixties social commentary roots, but it was the first film where the cast and crew realized that people liked them so there was a lot of elbow nudging and old lady jokes that became the norm after that. I liked the tone struck in Khan and Search for Spock where there were occasional crowd pleasing jokes. It wasn't brilliant but you know, seemed in character and released tension. And if BobOrci is monitoring again, I say listen to the detractors on this count. STOP making Star Trek movies simply about Star Trek. I definitely thought that would be the case when JJ stepped aboard because he wasn't versed in the canon, but nope. Seemed like a TNG movie to me. Some cool things, but definitely lazy. Someone mentioned the James Blish covers. I used to stare at those covers endlessly as a lad. I wish the whole movie had that tone and atmosphere. A movie about pioneers in outer space. With real danger and you know, tension!
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JJ has already said that he wants to weave some real-world relevance into the sequel it's just that introducing the crew had to take precedence in the first outing.
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Haters of this movie have been polluting these TB's with all the stuff they continue to spew out 7 months after the movie came out. Funny how the haters seem to be so obsessed with talking about this movie. I liked it, sure, I don't and have never denied it has its problems, but I don't feel the need to come on here over and over and over and over saying why it was good. But the haters do have this strange need to continue to say why they hate it. Who are you trying to convince? Oh and the argument that repeated viewings will make those who like this movie see it for the "crap" that it is, is wrong, at least for me. I saw it twice in the theaters and have watched twice at home. Still like it, sorry to disappoint you.Thinman-the scenes you describe from BTTF II and MI make perfect sense, as long as you're paying attention LOL. People are stupid.
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Repeat viewings haven't dimmed it for me either, and I've probably watched it like 20 times by now, I couldn't stop watching it when I got it on DVD a few weeks back.
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I don't think I'd have the guts to face a thousand mean ass fans telling me I should have my balls cut off for not making a perfect movie.
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Nov 14, 2009 10:41:27 AM CST
FlickaPoo, IT'S POINTLESS DISCUSSING JOURNALISTIC ETHICS HERE...
by tehcreepythinman
Harry Knowles, hi co-conspirators, and the people at sites like CHUD have no journalistic ethics. They are paid shills for whoever will give then either freebies or access. The only time these people are honest with us is when they aren’t getting paid. Otherwise it’s nothing but shilling 24/7/365 as in evidence of the way Paramount greased their palms with a private screening of G.I. Joe and, low and behold, we got nothing but glowing reviews from every hack at AICN, CHUD and the rest of these websites. On the other hand, we see what happens when people like Knowles and Faraci don’t get their own way and wage endless hate campaigns against movies like Transformers ROTF or Avatar out of nothing but spite. They are completely unprofessional but try telling them this and you will get banned because their attitude is “we’ll, it’s my site and I can do what I want”, to which I say fine, but I like coming to these sites for info and would appreciate some honestly. If they want to shill, have at it, but don’t come here and lie to me in an attempt to sucker me. Never underestimate just how un-self aware and dishonest these people are and can you say that you’re really surprised when they’re all morbidly obese gluttons with a complete lack of grooming or personal hygiene skills. I fully expect to be banned from just this post alone but I’m hoping that I can put it off long enough so I can partake in the Avatar review talkbacks which should be lots of fun.
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I'll do my best to believe JJ until the next one. Unfortunately, now that's a bit like reading Barbara Broccoli state how the latest Bond will be "edgier" and will delve into the character of Bond more. (Please nobody turn this into a Quantum of Solace TB. I'm just making the comparison that for 20 years Bond was always supposed to have more of a character in the films...)
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Nov 14, 2009 10:51:17 AM CST
The preteen scenesex with "lil kirk" sucked hot ass
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
Great movie though. I just really hated that scene.
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a character in order to bring laughs to the audience.Thats why i mentioned ST4,the characters there were the authentic we all know and love,but at the same time they were funny,we laughed with them and not AT them.ok the main concept of the movie,(a fish out of its water) helped towards that direction but my point is that JJ and his writers could think of better ways to use their characters in order to bring laughs to the audience.
I remember an old interview with John DeLancia where he said that his Q character lost his charm during the Voyager era,because the writers tried to make the character funny.
You see,because Q is so loveable to the fans,the writers put him in more and more comedic situations,pushing him to become more funny,but ignoring the fact that Q was in reality a very dangerous threat and that it was the actors implemented persona that made him so fascinating.
the same applies with the characters of this new movie,kirk,spock,scottie etc.They didnt write scenes of a story where these characters are part of,they wrote scenes FOR the characters to react and nothing more than that.
I wont be suprised if in the sequel even the first trailer will have Khan is some kind of uber cool scene,u know maybe cutting the heads of several mobs with a katana,because u know Khan is so fucking cool and badass,that you have to put him in a badass scene with a badass sword so the fans will go ecstatic with that.and then run to the nearest theater and watch the film.
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Yes! Why do you come to this site and post on a review of the ST BD if you didn't like the film? It's spelled Troll! You may feel the way you do but your opinion isn't shared by many. Sad really as ST fans are supposed to be progressive. Not stuck in their ways. I even think Gene Roddenberry would have liked it ( his wife seemed to think so ) and his take on it would mean alot more than yours. The fact that people still post on here infering that the majority out there didn't like the film is just stupid. ST eveolved into a new incarnation. It happened before with TNG. Get over it already!
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Nov 14, 2009 10:58:51 AM CST
...well, half my point was that debating the minutia of...
by flickapoo
...the latest STAR TREK movie is even less fun than debating the finer points of journalistic ethics.I'm always surprised by people who rage against a movie but appear to have seen it at least five times and combed over every scene like a Talmud scholar on coke.
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...Abrams and his script monkeys give us basically the same ending as the last four flicks. The formula needs to be changed up next time. And yes, the entire ice planet sequence was shit. Sylar needs to work on a Spock voice badly too. Also, they should've released a director's cut.
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Nov 14, 2009 11:08:25 AM CST
" .J. Abrams’ enormously entertaining new “Star Trek” movie will
by real deal
All a fan of this movie has to do to defend it is quote one line from Herc's review.
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Entertaining though it was...this was one of the worst written movies of the year...and the Comedy of JJ, Orci and Abrams could only appeal to someone who has never mentally matured past the age of 16.Really guys...you are fucking amateur when it comes to shilling for someone you expect favors from in the future...you need to learn to be a little less obvious about it.
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I need more coffee..
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I guess Nero got a killer deal on a used model after Sheridan told the Old Ones to get the hell out of his galaxy.
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Nov 14, 2009 11:24:33 AM CST
DID ANYONE ELSE CATCH THE INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS REFEREN
by tehcreepythinman
The moment in the movie where it says "Three years later" and shows Nero's ship sailing past, there is a particular sound effect (strange muffled screaming) right out of Body Snachers 78 which is no coincidence as Ben Burtt was also the sound designer of that movie as he was on New Trek.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPUN3bgi9R0
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there's maybe 2 or 3 hours worth, how the hell does it take a week to get through that? it should be done in one sitting, maybe too. i mean if you can spend 2hrs plus watching the movie, you can spend that watching the extras no? anyway this isn't a criticism or attack or whatever...i was just taken aback by that comment. lol i pre-ordered the steelbook for this movie along with Galaxy Quest, it'll be a star trekking week. :P
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"it took over a week to watch the extras"
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great !!!
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Too bad they don't issue No Man as a separate disk.
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Nov 14, 2009 12:09:00 PM CST
Carl's Hat is an @$$ hat & some ST logic for you hating fools
by expert40
This movie is EASILY the most entertaining film of the year not named Up.All of you too cool for school Trek Nerds need to get the frak over it.You retards are acting EXACTLY like the moron lovers of the original cheestastic Battlestar Galactica.Just like them, you people must LOVE being wrong, huh? Everyone else in the world is an idiot except you people who REALLY know the truth about this film, right?Well let me lay a little Star Trek Logic on your stupid asses:The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (or the one).Guess what, morons? YOU'RE THE FEW!!!The vast majority of everyone who has seen this awesome film, with it's awesome writing, it's awesome acting, and it's awesome directing, LOVE IT.So by Star Trek logic... you're all a bunch of illogical idiots!!!HAHAHAHA! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, losers!
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you should become a lawyer or a politician.
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Nov 14, 2009 12:20:49 PM CST
expert40, IT WAS ENTERTAINING IN THE WAY A CANDY BAR....
by tehcreepythinman
Is satisying in the moment but doesn't offer any real nutritional value. None of us, at least I'm not, arguing that the movie wasn't fun but wouldn't you like just a little more to chew on? It's Sci-fi, unlimited possibilities and yet New Trek was nothing but a series of action scene's wrapped around Daddy and Mommy issues. Furthermore, you really do come off as a stupid cunt.
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FUCK YOU, you bitch
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.... who say this film was badly written are either poor scriptwriters or the bombed out spent forgotten team that was Berman and Braga. Trek was AWESOME. deal with it and we'll talk again next film
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I would still not watch this terrible movie again.
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You must learn to govern your passions; they will be your undoing.
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I see people wailing about this movie being a sellout and AICN sold-out, but I loved it to bits!! Fine, it wasn't perfect, but it was infinitely better than Transformers 2 and Wolverine!! The only film of the summer I equally enjoyed was GI Joe (and no, I am not a plant!!).
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it was so well written that it needed at least 2 prequel comics to develop a bit Nero's character.for the rest of his character development, use your brain to hypothesize.
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DUMB AS SHIT!
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Star Trek sucked- and I wanted to like it.
The story was downright horrible and the contrivances and humor of the lowest and lamest order. I didn’t think this movie was at all better than Transformers 2. This was the biggest letdown of last summer and the most over rated movie I can think of in recent times.
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Better to be a cunt than to never have had any cunt, bitch.See, the words you're typing, they ARE words, but they have little to no meaning. Now, if you were to write those words over on Massa's review of 2012, they'd actually make sense and be true.But when you use those specific combination of words when applied to this film, then you might as well be speaking Sindarin instead of Vulcan. Savvy?"Nothing but a series of action scene's(sic) wrapped around Daddy and Mommy issues."?Really?See, this is where you acting like an idiot GINO person comes in.You pass over the over-riding arc and them of the film which is about fate in the face of reality.There is so much that can be seen in this film if you bother to look.The fairly new scientific theory of the Infinite Worlds Theory as applied to time travel. This theory completely obliterates the Grandfather Paradox, meaning you could actually kill your grandfather in the past and not be erased, because the simple fact of travelling into the past creates a different universe in which you are not a part of. So you could kill your grandfather. So even if Spock were to travel forward in time, he'd never be able to get back to HIS universe. He's stuck.Getting back to the fate versus reality, the Romulans coming into the past changes everything and creates and new universe of different possibilities for characters we think we know. This movie sets up this idea. SETS IT UP, ThinMan. Much like Spider-Man, or Batman Begins, yes, much time is spent on the set up so we can understand the new rules for familiar characters and places.THINK ABOUT IT!Kirk joins Star Fleet at 22, not 18. Thus meeting Bones, and Uhura during THEIR time at the Academy and not later on. In the OSTU (original ST universe), Kirk was already graduated when they entered Star Fleet. This means he NEVER meets Gary Mitchell. Which means that Mitchell never becomes a God-like Mutant. Or will he? Will fate override reality?You people who whine about Spock Prime and Kirk meeting and then meeting Scotty have no issues suspending your disbelief in the NUMEROUS more insane plot devices in EVERY Star Trek show and film, yet you refuse to do it here? How is THAT logical? Or is it you just want to hate it so much that you play hard and fast with your own rules?The fact remains, them meeting Scotty at that time and place was once again, fate superseding the reality of this new universe. All of these people are MEANT to be together.Also, we know that in the OSTU, the Enterprise is already 20-something years old when Kirk gets a hold of her when he's 30. Now, because of the super-advanced Romulans showing up from the future, it's obvious that Star Fleet held up their Constitution Class starship design team to create new and better tech for it and to make the ships BIGGER to combat what they think are far more advanced Romulans. This is why the new ship is not only over two times bigger (about the size of the Enterprise-D), but looks like an amalgamation of the TV show ship and the film ship.There is so much subtly and texture to be seen in this film. Kirk realizing that if not for this alternate future Spock and those Romulans, he'd have had a much different, and probably better life. Adding the shocking destruction of Vulcan, which totally turns the whole Star Trek mythos on it's head.Again, what you people are missing here is that this film is best version of Spider-Man and Batman Begins we've ever gotten.It manages to do the set-up process, but in a much more entertaining way than those very good films ever did.So just chill the fuck out.
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People, people, it wasn't the worst thing ever put on celluloid, nor was it much different from the last four TNG movies in terms of excitement or awe. I don't hate the film. I just think they wasted an opportunity to make a big- budget, original and epic sci-fi movie with our favorite space heroes. Does that make me a hater? The ones who get overly upset at criticism seem to be just as "fringe" as the ones crying that it ruined their lives. In a few years I think everyone will see that it was a slightly below average movie, about as good as Star Trek Generations, which as I said in another post had a really good opening title sequence and a sort of good scene in the beginning where Kirk saves the day . (J.J.'s film had a strong beginning too.) Then it became like a lower grade TV episode with Shatner guest- starring and of course humiliatingly falling off of a bridge. Felt the same way about JJ Trek and Nimoy. Where the movie's over and you're thinking, "They blew up Vulcan and screwed the timeline for that under-cooked plot and under-motivated villain?" What a waste...
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Nov 14, 2009 12:58:50 PM CST
Worst Part of Nu Trek: "You Guys Are Destined To Be Best Friends
by autodidact
Christ it was so fucking stupid to have old Spock tell young Kirk that he needed to be best pals with young Spock.
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its true,bold fonts can eliminate even the most stict objection.
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Imho even better than Wrath.
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I agree 100% that it's a breezy, fun, well shot and acted piece of cinema. Not arguing there. But how can people who do like it NOT understand why Trek fans have tremendous problems with it? The argument of why it's good is exactly what they have a problem with, methinks. However, I say to those fans to reserve their judgement of the franchise's direction until you see the sequel. I understand that this is what the film HAD to be in order to make money right now and to get non-fans excited about Star Trek again. I'm not a Trek fan at all, I've only watched a handful of original episodes and seen maybe half of all the movies (including the TNG ones). I've enjoyed it here and there but definitely am not passionate about it. That said, having to reboot the cast, make a shit-ton of money to justify sequels, AND create a story line wherein it wouldn't fuck with 'canon' (hate that word), was a tall order. They pulled it off and now have a clean slate to go a lot harder on the sci-fi aspects instead of more bubblegum skiffy. The cast is great and the lighting/design of the movie were amazing, but I am hoping, along with the real fans, to get something a little more filling the next go round. That will prove whether or not J.J. is just some flash-in-the-pan zeitgeist loving douche or a person who can tell stories without a 'use by' date. But to the hardcore Trekkies, you GOTTA give the sequel a chance because this is what HAD to be done to satisfy the demands of resurrecting Trek. If the sequel is more Star Wars, less Trek, then you have a real argument.
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Fun and enjoyable to eat, but lacking the substance, value and complexity of a satisfying and memorable meal. Of course, a lot of people love candy for precisely that, and that is all they want or expect. But it if this is all that Star Trek aspires to now then the franchise will continue to erode the fan base who fell in love with ST because it was substantial and sustaining. Those who love the movie are enjoying their candy, while those who don't can't help but compare it to more satisfying meals of the past.
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Can you tell me how destroying the Romulan sun before it explodes will actually save Romulus. If you can answer that question, it will remove for me the largest plot "black" hole of the movie.
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Herc,
I really appreciate your review. That said, it wasn't a perfect movie but believe the franchise is now in better hands than Berman and Braga. You know Paramount will eventually do another tv series and having Abrams there with Star Trek will be better in the long run. Time to take element of canon where it'll stay fresh or you'll end up painting yourself in a corner like the Enterprise series. -
We are stuck in a pointless discussion. The haters hate and won't change their minds. The ones who liked it still like it and won't change their minds. Funny how lens flares seems so prominent in a lot of these discussions. Lens flares? Really? That's what you think makes this movie suck? I know from all the other tb's that there are many more reason's why the haters think it sucks, but everyone always mentions the fucking lens flares. Grow up and give real reasons and drop the fucking lens flare bullshit, because it's a weak ass complaint.Regardless, the fact remains, these discussions are totally and utterly pointless. Yet somehow we always engage in them. There is nothing said in this or any other ST tb that has not been said a million fucking times already.
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thinking about some of the slapstick and buffoonery of the characters DID make me kind of angry afterwards, and I'm not even a big Trek fan. But I shrugged off stuff like the swollen hands as the kind of ridiculous things that happen as a result of the universe trying to get the timeline back on track. Now that it is, we don't need any more of that.
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when Spock and Kirk meet Scotty on that planet the first thing he says is 'fascinating' which basically meant he realized FATE was bringing them all together. it was one of my favorite things from the film, that no matter what timeline they were in, the Enterprise crew would be working together because they were meant to. at least that is how i interpreted it.
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LOL on what plane of reality? FC was good, in fact the best of the next gen films, but better than TWOK? Hardly. I've said it before and I will say it again, Frakes is NOT a good actor, and in an important role like his, it bring things down. A lot.
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Nov 14, 2009 1:15:56 PM CST
What I didnt understand was the total lack of Earth based securi
by saen
What I didnt understand was the total lack of Earth based security forces. The ship had no shields, where was the 10000 troops beaming aboard! The enterprise beamed a handful aboard, yet there was not anyone on earth that could have been sent up on it to take it out.
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damn i hope by some miracle abrahms gets the message that shakey cam is a cop out. we are there to SEE a movie, not a blurry mess of quick cuts. during a dramatic scene shakey cam is not so bad, if you want to 'increase' action. but in an action scene, your ACTION should be just that, and enough so that you do not need to add further 'action' to said scene. if you cannot create a good action scene without having to add shakey cam, then do something else. you did not see Gene Kelly shaking the camera when he was dancing, or Bruce Lee shaking the cam when he was beating some dudes down. the classics are all shot WIDE, so the audience can expirience the action in all its splendor. jj abrahms 'hides' his action inside blurry shakey cam, because deep down inside, you can tell, he has FEARS his action is not solid enough. just pull back, and let the action speak for itself. i loved this movie, but the shakey cam sent it from an A to a B-.
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indeed give a chance to this new franchise.i understand why the first movie should be more about mindless entertainment and less about substance and characterization,they need that commercial success in order to jumpstart their franchise and take it to the direction they dream of.
on the exact same basis,i was defending the first Transformers movie,i defended Spielbergs and Bays choices for the first installation of the newborn franchise,i was sure that what they were doing was necessary and justified in order to get their b.o.,jumpstart the franchise and get the sequel which would be more about the robots,more about their characterts and less about mindless fun.
but as it turned out,i was fucking wrong.The greedy bastards revealed to care more about the green dollars,and less about the 'art' of the franchise.(where art put content,characters,story focused on the bots,their civil war,social messages etc etc)
and thats what i am afraid that is going to be this rebooted franchise.just a good mindless entertainment machines to milk the average audience and the less hardcore fans.i dont believe that JJ and Orci are going to give a fuck about what ST is truly about in the next sequel movie.they dont care.thats why i am not overreacting when i say that expect Khan to be represented in the movie as a cool character to sell toys,than what he truly was.they are going to bastardize him too.
at the end i hope i am wrong,that JJ does care to give a ST which will be accepted universally by the HC fans as a true and great ST movie,but the chances about that are mildly.
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I mean... seriously... WTF?
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When is the Shaky Cam actually a detractor in Trek? I can't remember it bothering me anywhere... except maybe with that first creature on Delta Vega, never really got a good look at that fucker.
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and u totally ignore Patrick fucking Stewart? now u will tell me,that he is a worse actor than Shatner...
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...and bleating a weak defence about how sites like Rotten Tomatoes agree with your adoration doesn't exactly recover your credibility, much less your dignity, either.
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"Hercules Runs Down What To Expect On That Fabulous New Blu-ray Set Due Out Tuesday!!"
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Spock wasn't destroying the Romulan sun.A star that was NOT the Romulan sun went Supernova somewhere across the galaxy. The shock wave from this supernova was head towards Romulus.This is actually something that actually happens in science. When a star goes supernova or turns into a black hole, it is basically squeezed into a flat disc. Now, if it goes black hole, it collapses in on itself. If it goes supernova, all of that hyper-pressurized gamma radiation energy gets blown out at what were the poles of the star, and sent across the cosmos in two different directionsThis is no shit science. I saw this on HistoryHD in The Universe series in the ep about world enders. We can actually see a supernova in space where this has happened.Anyway, in an unfortunate coincidence of stellar geography, Romulus was in line to receive this full blast of gamma radiation from one of the two blasts. So Spock was going to use the macguffin of the film, the "red matter" to create a stable black hole just long enough that would swallow all of this energy and then collapse on itself and save Romulus. But he failed to employ it in time.So, that is the actual, true science behind it, and if you'd actually listened during the mind-meld sequence, you'd have a better understanding of what was going on.Again, I submit that so many of you were predisposed to hate this film no matter what, even to the point of lying to yourselves, saying you wanted to like it, that you looked for ANYTHING in the film to hate.Your actions are illogical and frakking stupid.
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How the fuck did Heath Ledger influence how Eric Bana played Nero? What similarities do the two characters have besides being bad guys?
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Liked the first one, really don't like the second one, and seriously the biggest detractor there is Bay, somebody grab the Delorean and go grab 80's Spielberg, he's the man for the job! He could have taken the exact same script and given us a master piece!
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and not as good as Wrath of Khan. That said, I enjoyed the movie a lot, despite its airhead screenplay. The reason is solely due to the chemistry and the character dynamics of the actors. As an audience member, I just simply *liked* this crew, their interplay and the humor, and wanted to watch another ST adventure with these same guys.
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and not as good as Wrath of Khan. That said, I enjoyed the movie a lot, despite its airhead screenplay. The reason is solely due to the chemistry and the character dynamics of the actors. As an audience member, I just simply *liked* this crew, their interplay and the humor, and wanted to watch another ST adventure with these same guys.
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I just thought they looked ridiculous, much worse than the SW originals. But I enjoyed this movie, it wasn't amazing but it was very good and I'm excited about the next.
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logic dictates that since Transformers 2 made more money than it is a better movie. The paying people have spoken.
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Stupid cut-in-and-out wifi connection...
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since you dont have any problem with mindless fun.well?
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Except, Fucktard, that people pay before they see the fucking movie.
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Ahh, but in committing yourself to this line of reasoning, you must take in account ALL variables, as I have done with my Star Trek reasoning.You have not done this. Therefore your reasoning is flawed, just like all of those who hate this film simply because they want to hate it because it's not exactly like the original series (which is the point).What you don't consider in your reasoning is critical reaction.Not only did Star Trek make a ton of money, as Trans2 did, but it is one of the most critically acclaimed films of the year for many different reasons who people who hate this film for no good reason decry with no proof (like STORY, like DIRECTION, etc).Sorry... your logic and reasoning is flawed if you're trying to latch on to my reasoning.
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best jb in any "verse
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... a detriment.
It was too fast cut for such a large format presentation. Imax movies, due to the overwhelming sensory experience need longer takes and a steady camera.
Also, we all in the theater got to see that maybe Chris Pine needs to see a dermatologist...bad skin like the kind I had years and years ago back in high school. -
Ominus, I think First Contact started strong with Goldsmith's score and it had a cold, steely look, but I could go on all day pointing out all the irritating T.V.isms that threw me out of the film. So I’ll just point out the worst offenders: It all boils down to one shot. At one point, the Borg are taking over the Enterprise and they’re wearing these rubber costumes. Forgivable on the TV show maybe, but on the big screen, when I saw the close up of the wonky rubber boot hitting the floor of the Enterprise and the sound effect goes “clang! clang!”, I threw up my hands and gave up at the TV thinking behind it all. (For the movie, couldn’t the Borg be in like hard plastic sorta C3-P0 costumes, like? So, you know, they looked like robots and not fruitcakes at a convention?) To say nothing of the Earth plot. "Uh Gee, says Ryker, "We can't make contact with our ship. I wonder why?" Kind of a major problem, no? And finally, Picard and the Borg Queen have it out and Picard’s saying, “Yes, I remember you! You tried to mate with me! YES! YES! It all comes back now!!!” Well, that’s funny, I saw Best of Both Worlds and I distinctly do NOT remember Picard having any interaction with the Borg Queen. So, since she was a new idea and they were revising history, how about spending a little money and showing a flashback because when a character describes a major event in a movie with lines of dialogue, it feels like a play. And I don’t like watching plays much, especially in a movie theater. And there’s poor, stranded Alice Krige having to suddenly play rejected by Picard and angry at him for SPURNING HER! (”HEAVENS TO MURGATROID!!”) Well, sorry, it doesn’t work. I never witnessed her desire for him, so I don’t buy at all that she feels rejected by him. And why’s she getting mad in the first place, she’s a bleepin’ borg?
I think it finishes in a rather pathetic way and inexplicably the fans gush over it. Generations had more to say, I thought. FC even rehashes the Ahab stuff from Khan. Again, I think because it seemed new and shiny it seems like a better story than it is. -
He did say that at the Scream awards, when HE accepted the award for "Trek"
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I think that AICN talkbackers are the only group of people who overwhelmingly hated this movie. The fact that it was reviewed well and made money seems to only increase your rage.
Seriously, if you guys hate this movie so much, and you know that pretty much everyone on this site (the writers) liked it, why even bother getting upset?
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PLEASE DON'T TYPE THE WORD LEARN EVER AGAIN!!! LOL. Seriously, don't ever start a sentence with "Learn ..." ever again please I'm begging you. Don't think you used it too much? You started 66 sentences with "Learn". A couple of spots you had a paragraph where EVERY sentence started with learn. I love how indepth your article was, it does get me pumped for the blu-ray.
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Imagine what the Borg could look like in this new franchise! They would be fucking awesome (I'm holding out hope that one day they will show up in the Abramsverse perhaps attracted to our neck of the woods early because of rampant 24th century tech in the 23rd Century.)
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I think guys like me, in my age group, gen-Xers in their 30's, need to deal with the fact that most movies, those of the summer-popcorn-special-effects variety, aren't made with us in mind anymore. They were, at some point during the 90's, when we were just out of high school or college, but those days are gone.
Studios and filmmakers now target the teenage kid next door who listens to music we don't care for.....Ack! we got old.
Now, there is usually more adult, sophisticated fare offered during the Fall and holiday season, but for the most part, aside from genuine all-audience-inclusive films like The Dark Knight and Iron Man, summer's for the kids. -
I scroll through and read most of these posts and there's not one rant from Asimovlives whining about Jar Jar Abrams...disappointing
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while its not a whole explanation scene we do see a shot of the queen next to picard as he's being assimilated, wearing his TNG uniform and all. so they did set up the fact he knew her before the movie started. sure its still revising in the sense that it was made for that particular movie but they do establish the connection however brief.
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Raskolnikov_was_framed, you couldn't resist? Saying, you know who's name is just like repeating "Beatlejuice" three times, and out he'll come with the 'Dawson's Trek' and 'Jar Jar Abrams' diatribes.
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Frothing at the mouth, impotent rage. The fact that the haters are clearly in a minority, both on the site and in the world in general, make them even more vociferous (and irrational) in their complaints.
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... with big, fake, plastic pectorals.And Keri Russell has to be Carol Marcus, right?Don't forget Dom Monaghan as Scotty's annoying cousin, Scooty.And the kicker would be Terry O'Quinn as Sybok, Spock's wacky older brother who believes in the human God, which humans don't even believe in anymore.Yep, that's what I can't wait for.The biggest problem with you STINO dorks is that like the GINO dorks, you take yourself way too seriously and blind yourself to some really good stuff all in the name of hate."Through Hell's Heart, I stab at thee!" indeed!
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But I say leave the Borg in the Picard era. It's like suddenly having Khan being Ryker's arch foe. Here's what I'm holding out hope for: a movie about exploring strange, new worlds and seeking out new life forms and civilizations not simply repeating themselves endlessly. The 60's episode This Side of Paradise was a pretty decent allegory about communes and drugs; is there nothing to mine about our current state of existence where people attack each other mercilessly and anonymously instead of actually talking about the merits or lack thereof of ideas in politics and society? Where people mask their hatred on the surface in the outside world, but log onto a website and its anything goes, racism, sexism, rape fantasies etc etc. (Actually, they sort of covered that with Return of The Archons, but that was more about religion) I'm sure BobOrci could reference a million ways in which he has been verbally assaulted. Bob, if you're reading and need an idea, use your pain to write. As Kirk says, "I! Need! My! Pain!"
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main topic is not about that movie.But i will give it a shot:
1.i dont remember the scene where the rubber suit sounds makes metalic noise.in fact i had the impression that the suits were meant to be rubber.but anyway i cant comment on that,since i dont remember the scene.
2.whats the problem with Rykers reaction? what did u expect to do? to beam up in the Enterprise? did they bring remote transporters with them,and i didnt notice them? no. besides Ryker was ordered by Picard to lead the Earth mission,which they all knew it was the most important mission in their career,the saving of humankinds future.even if he could transport on board the enterprise,he would go alone and leave the rest of the team on Earth.
3.what the fuck are you talking about?!?! there was a flashback in that scene,which showed the queen with picard in the TNG episode.what the fuck,did u forget it? and remember that there was a similar plot hole in Wrath,when Khans remembers Chekov despite the fact that they never met in the TOS episode.but thats a trivial plot hole,who gives a fuck about it?
I am sorry but i dont remember the Queen feeling rejected by Picard.they were not even a couple,they just needed to assimilate Picards mind to their collective.And the Queen was the voice of the collective,nothing less or more than that.
the only scene i remember she expressed emotion,was when Data betrayed her,and that because he fucked up the Borg's plans,and not for a petty love affair/
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i thing ZARGOTRON never watched any of the original movies...cuz the orbital skydiving was also another homage to kirk...there was an orbital skydiving scene cut from star trek 5, youtube it.....but the movie was spot on, characters, dialogue, homages...some of us liked it, a minority hated it..i dont see why there has to be fighting over the movie....it made a ton of money, theyre making another...get on board or get yourself launched off this board(ship)and land on another talkback(ice planet) leave us alone...lol
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Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I still, however, think the movie was more eye candy than anything, and I certainly wasn't predisposed to disliking it.
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but anyway,thats not the point.The point is that this new Star Trek movie is a pile of shit,and i have a little confidence that the sequel will be better.i hope i am wrong,but time will tell.
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Kirk was climbing a mountain,but he slipped and started falling from there,but Spock managed to save him since he was flying with his antigravity boots.BUT there is a huge error in that scene,as the laws of physics are concerned.
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I will kill him, his family, and everyone on this talkback! Fuck Bay! In EVERY orifice in his body! (and some new ones, too!)
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So that millisecond glimpse of the Borg Queen was supposed to explain how a logical, planet devouring conqueror suddenly fell in love with a guy who looked pretty much like everybody else whose worlds she destroyed? Hmmm... I'm sorry I'm going to hold onto my opinion that the climax was flimsy. In fact, speaking of flimsy, Picard breaks her spine in two with very little effort. If the Borg are that weak, why did they worry about phasers? Plain old fists and feet would work. (I know, I know, they have force fields) Still, some real cheapo TV stuff made it onto that film.
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Nov 14, 2009 2:33:53 PM CST
Ominus and the like are right, and everyone else is wrong...
by expert40
... douche bag STINO people just can't ever let it go and admit they're wrong.JUST like the GINO people and the irrational Star Wars fans who, to this day, defend the piece of shit critical disasters known as the first two films of the prequel trilogy.Why are sci fi people stubborn as frakking mules?
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really that geekish wet dreams of cyborg women fucking helpless men,should come to a stop someday.and the geeks wonder why they get laaughed at...jesus.
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as someone above correctly said: the sequel will determine if JJ and his buddies was the right stuff for the revival of ST.if ST2 is going to be a lot better than this shit,i will be the first to applaud JJ.
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I never mentioned Stewart because anyone in their right mind knows that he is and always has been a wonderful actor therefore there is no need to say that it's a given. The actors of TOS act they way they should. Shatner is melodramatic but always has been, he is still James T Kirk and acts exactly how Kirk should. Frakes is surrounded by very good to good actors, therefore his bad acting just brings everything else down. Say what you want about the TOS actors, they are all consistent and believable. Frakes is not. hulkiest-good point.
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Very few of these posters have complained about this movie’s lack of adherence to “cannon” making your INO arguments completely moot. What they complain about is that it was a crap movie due to a horrid script, massive plot holes, amateurish contrivances, and lame Lucas-like humor.
Also do yourself a favor and never again compare New Trek and New Galactica even indirectly through the complaints of their critics. New Galactica (at least for the Mini and 1st year and ½ of the show) was deep, brilliant, and well written- and thus the only criticisms were basically “its too dark“, “its not like original Galactica“, or “IWWWW, Star Buck is a chick” instead of being bashed for the actual quality of the product.
New Trek is not even CLOSE to have the luxury of being immune to quality arguments and reducing critics to “INO” arguments. New Trek is Transformers 2 in space without the good action and with more poorly written humor and turning points.
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No, I don't want to argue it either. I was just trying to make a point that it's not all that and deserves to be lumped in with the rest of the underwhelming TNG feature film fare. But, like all of us masochistic self-loathing Trekkies, I own FC, watched the film many times and have laughed at the scene where Picard explains ala TMP's V'ger that the Queen wanted to bond with him for the human factor when he was Locutus.
Ryker's reaction wasn't exactly what one would expect from an away team. It's kind of an easy problem to fix, actually, how about a scene where Picard's last transmission to the team is that the Enterprise is under attack by the Borg, hence raising the stakes and having Ryker desperate for the Phoenix flight so he can get to the Enterprise. (No, I haven't figured out a way for him to beam aboard. But He's got Geordi with him, they'd figure it out) Just saying there was a distinct lack of urgency to their whole mission. And then they just figure out how the Borg got there and Presto! Away they go back to the future.
Finally, I got the impression that the Borg were supposed to be made of metal parts and whatnot that they grew organically once infected. The rubber suits don't make any sense really since where the heck does it come from? Some Officers are in the suits, some aren't. Is it from the skin? You know how the Klingons looked better in TMP? One would think that they'd rethink the look for the movie. And watch the movie and look for the CU of the wonky rubber boot making the clang! It's funny. Though it could be the clang coming from Joel Goldsmith's portion of the score. I think he wrote the majority of the Borg music.
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The writers with a checklist that reads: Star Wars/Top Gun/Good Will Hunting/Wrath of Khan/Voyage Home/Ordinary People. Your preposition that the theme of the movie was “fate in the face of reality” is laughable and what you are doing is defending how the writers bent over backwards to get the original characters into the positions they held on the original show while, at the same time, using the “alternate reality” angle to appease the Wrath of Nerds over whether New Trek is “cannon” or not. It would have taken more balls just to say “FUCK YOU” and re-launch a new series of films but Abrams wanted it both ways. Then there is the fact that they swiped everything that wasn’t nailed down and shoved it into their movie when you consider that a Star Trek prequel series about Kirk and Co. in Starfleet Academy has been propositioned since the late 80’s if not sooner. That’s not even including the involvement of Captain Pike who (of course) has to end up in a wheelchair, The Kobayashi Maru where Kirk is eating an apple because that’s what he did when he was talking about it in Star Trek 2. Oh and the orbital drop idea was lifted from a cut scene from Star Trek Generations. The whole movie had nothing but lazy writing from those two wankers who must have pictures of Abrams getting fucked by an uncircumcised pig for him to keep working with them. But go ahead and justify everything they did. I don’t care because I actually did like the movie but want a better sequel where they come up with some new ideas, concepts or themes that we haven’t seen in a Star Trek movie.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the mind-meld sequence show Romulus being physically destroyed by a gaseous-like shock wave? I'll have to go back to to the DVD to verify, but that's what it looked like to me. In supernova detonation, physical shockwaves are generated, but they don't threaten anybody over interstellar distances. They don't travel at the speed of light, and they loose their "oomph" as they spread out. In other words, nobody's afraid of the Crab Nebula.
As for the Gamma Jets, those are bad news to anybody caught in them. But they move at the speed of light. Which is not a limitation shared by a star-spanning, FTL culture. It should not have caught them by surprise. Furthermore, in order to physically destroy a planet (as was depicted, and as opposed to merely baking its surface) that is approximately earth-sized, the Gammas would have to deliver an amount of energy equivalent to about 2 weeks worth of energy output from our own Sun (I read that somewhere else, I have not checked the math). Not impossible, but that's a lot of coincidences. -
That last line should have been "Yet another coincidence in a movie replete with them."
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Let's see, there's a few people who didn't like this movie. I'm sorry you wasted your money and are full of hate and I'm sorry you feel the need to carry on whining like a child until someone acknowledges your opinion.
Fine, I acknowledge you have an opinion that is different. Please leave us fans to discuss an article that is obviously geared at people who are interested in the special features of the home releases. Or, I guess you could just whine away like a silly toothless troll. -
scenes in FC,so he didnt have time to ruin them.In reality he was the man who directed these scenes,and they were great scenes,so he must take credit for this.
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actually loved it... it's in your own words... seriously.... if you HATED it there would be reasons given
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....about J.J.'s 'creative choices' on this thing, that I'd be here for a lightyear if I was to go into them point by point.So I'll just simply say that MOST things from the 'alternative timeline' storyline, to most of the casting choices, to the fugly new 'Enterprise' and it's 'Budweiser factory' engine-room....were NOT what I'd hoped to see in this 'TOS' reboot.Time to reboot J.J. and his writers as far as I'm concerned!
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Well aware that Khan has holes and flaws. When I saw it as a pre-teen, I thought it had a boring first half then pulled itself out of its rut at the midway point. Over time, as I learned more about Trek and watched all the episodes it grew in stature and importance as one of the best Trek stories. It did a lot to define James Kirk. But yes, compared to Blade Runner and Empire Strikes back it's not epic, mind-blowing sci-fi movie. I've said it before on other talkbacks Star Trek features all have crap and all have good stuff. JJ's Trek continues this legacy of not really knocking it out of the park.
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Since you made it a point to mention Shatner's acting. You can spin it any way you like, the point is Frakes is a bad actor. Period. His mere presence brings down the movie. I am not disputing any of his other skills, the face remains he is one of the weakest actors to be in Trek. Far worse than anyone in TOS. Keep in mind that I liked FC very much, so I am not even saying it is a bad movie, just Frakes is a bad actor and i'm sorry if that makes the movie less good to me, but it does.
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This movie was excellent, and it went over the heads of so many nerds. Amazing accomplishment.
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and i have already given my explanation for your points,and i dont want to start writing about Wraths flaws,so lets leave it there.
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Nov 14, 2009 3:03:19 PM CST
Hercules can smell the pancakes Abrams had for breakfast
by professor_monster
Seriously - this list of positive points is ridiculous. The movie was and is terrible - it made so much money for the same reason Transformers did - Effects come before actors and story now days. Your little write up is full of stupid things like "Aabrams sister thought... Cameron Crowe was surprised... Speilberg ate sandwiches" Do any of these things make for a better film? No. JJ runs the universe now - but how long will that last? I'll tell you one thing - there's no way it was continue as long as the original did - this is a fleeting affair, something for him to while away the time and cash checks - no vision, no ambition, -- it's a pair of pants from Walmart and nothing more. People buy them, as the more they wash them the more they can see the material is poor. I hate it when this site decides on favor - or flies the flag for a movie that anyone with sense or taste was put together by way of someone else's legos- but no instructions.I truly hope the day will come that some here will go from fanboy to reviewer and not give bad marks simply because you didn't get a screener or they didn't have you visit the set.
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JJs star trek.in 35 days James Cameron is going to own everything and everyone,especially these hack directors like JJ and bay,with his Avatar movie.so fuck them.
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If you like it, that's your own look out. I have no problem with the existence of dumb movies. I like some of them, myself. But I'm not going to kid myself that they possess some sort of innate quality in order to justify liking something that is dumb.
As for this movie, there are many claims about its quality. Frankly, I just don't see it. Far too many flaws.
My extreme disappointment over this movie (which some call "hate"; do you understand what real hate is like?), stems from the great affinity that I have for Star Trek in general. I've been a fan since before many of you were twinkles in father's eye, and I see no reason to abandon it to sink in the sea of mediocrity that it often (including now) finds itself in.
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... okay, you're right, it's "based" on real science.Which is more than you can say about any other of the Star Trek shows or films (slingshot around the sun and you're in time warp!)
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I hate how Hollywood always has to dumb things down with shit like giving the borg a relatable figurehead. The faceless, unknowable hive mind of the borg was the best thing about them... they were like a force of nature.
First Contact is not perfect but it's highly watchable and a lot more moving than most of the other Trek movies... when Picard loses his shit and then gives a short, harrowed monologue before changing his orders...greatest moment in Star Trek if you ask me.
I got First Contact on blu-ray.
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I agree, even in Trek that I like, I frequently roll my eyes over the "science". The producers TNG, etc. clearly had a subscription the Subatomic Particle of the Month club, and were not afraid to use it.
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since comics have a habit to take or not, into consideration the already established rules of physics in their their universe.
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Yes, it's strange that this idea with so much promise of adventure that Roddenberry had, an idea that's made Paramount BILLIONS is never given either the proper budget or respect it deserves. I still find it astounding that they'd let Shatner embarrass himself so badly with Star Trek V. No one said, "Well, at least let's fix the substandard effects. This is our flagship franchise after all" Conversely no one said to JJ: "Uh, the villain can travel through time, there's no story here. If we're gonna spend 150 million we need a great story!!"
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Besides, it's really hard to have a faceless villain. Who wants to watch a bunch of robots clunk around for 2 hours?
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I went into this movie with no expectations... literally, none. I've never seen anything Star Trek-related in my life. I've never seen anything from Abrams, sans some stuff he produced. And it came out in early May(I think?), so I didn't have high-summer-blockbuster-expectations, either. And honestly, I liked it a lot. The script got me to understand and like the characters(or, at least, the way this "reboot" represents the characters), and I thought it was well paced with some great action pieces. If I were a die hard fan of the Star Trek franchise I'm sure I'd feel different, but alas... I'm not, and I can't wait for the sequel.
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Worst sales pitch ever. Learn why Herc sucks. Learn why it took Herc 8 days to acquaint himself with all this shit. Learn why Herc is a big suckup to this dogshit of a script. Learn why Herc has no taste.Now that's how you do a talkback.
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And most of the ships in FC were CG. The Borg Battle was all CG. There was a model of the Enterprise, but most of the time, the ship was CG.
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I'm sorry man, but you're really wrong here.I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong, because it's your opinion, and it's right for you.I can, however, call your opinion irrational and illogical, which it is.All of you STINO people bitching about "story" and just so full of crap.The story and the writing were outstanding and emotionally affecting. So much more than the crap of, say, 3 out of 4 of the NG films which were so thin they were transparent, and lacking in any kind of emotional connection.Again, 95% of over 100 critics are wrong, and YOU STINO people are right.This is why I trust RottenTomatoes. It's an aggregate. So idiots like Armond White are displaced by the majority.If the story in this film were as flimsy as you irrationally complain, then it would have, like Trans2, been critically PANNED.Instead, it is critically PRAISED.For STORY. For ACTING. For DIRECTION.For EVERYTHING that you people complain about.But again, all of you people aren't irrational. You aren't illogical. You're right, and the rest of us and hundreds of critics are wrong.The fact that this is the second-best reviewed film of the year is wrong.Just admit the fact that you people WANTED to find things to hate about this film that you have created reasons to hate it where they don't exist. By all means, still hate the film, it's your right. But at least be HONEST about WHY you hate the film.The ONLY thing transparent about you STINO people is your hate.And again, I CAN compare RDM Galactica to JJ Trek. I have critical acclaim for both standing in my corner. in this way they are very comparable. Taking something stale, old, and cheesy, and making it great and relevant again.
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but unfortunately Shatner fucked it up with the execution.and u know what? even that movie had a wonderful scene,when they face their personal fears and Kirk denies to do that because he believes fears are part of what we are.And me thinks,that we are not going to get such a dramatic and philosophical scene in any of JJs ST movies.
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was a miniature and not CGI.
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people hating but not giving reasons. the closest was saying "i would but there's too many things i hate'..... seriously, i want to know what people hate. dont just say it had a bad script or it was made for the masses - who the fuck do you think you are? I want to know why this film is BAD? and to you coordinate system, I too have been a trek fan since before prob most of these talkbackers were in their fathers balls.... and i thought this film was WONDERFUL... whats your excuse, besides being unable to let go of the past?
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And Someone else should have read the final coda. Top much Nimoy love, IMO. Shatner, or even Pine would have fit better.
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Nov 14, 2009 3:28:17 PM CST
The Defiant etc. were not CG and numerous ships from TNG were us
by autodidact
.. as far as I know, without looking it up.
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"As described by visual effects supervisor John Knoll, time allotted for post production visual effects and model building resulted in a "brutal effort". Not only did ILM's team have to construct the Enterprise-E, large models representing the Borg sphere, the new Borg cube, and the Phoenix were also required.
The Millennium Falcon appears below an Akira-class starship
Even more so than the previous film, the First Contact visual effects team also utilized computer-generated imagery, lending itself to sequences that required large numbers of starships. To stand up to the Borg cube alongside the new Enterprise and the old Defiant, ILM art director Alex Jaeger designed sixteen new Starfleet vessels, four of them rendered digitally and appearing in the massive opening battle sequence. "
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The Borg Cube, Enterprise, and Defiant were models, but the rest was CG.
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I hear ya. For myself, Star Trek has been a hit or miss affair. This may be acceptable in a TV series ("one must shift much sand to find the occasional nugget. but the nugget is the reward"), but it is less so for a series of movies. One has much less room to maneuver, or make mistakes.
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... just make it more silent and menacing in going about it. Like, maybe the Borg just want Data's advanced neural net capabilities, and they don't want his android cock. Have some Federation Borg specialist there (besides Picard) to provide exposition rather than a horny, psychopathic cyborg.
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I have watch Shit Trek again give it a second chance and nope, still sucks shit through a Jefferies tube.
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... why is it so hard for you STINO guys to admit this, Coordinate_System?Maybe because it invalidates your irrational and illogical hatred of this awesome film?Maybe?
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been made why this shit stinks.in this talkback and in a lot of older ones.check them.
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... it's all variations on the same theme, saying "the story stinks" "the acting stinks" "the direction stinks."But never any WHY.Because you STINO people cannot give any reasons why. All you can do is bitch and complain and cry against the world, who are ALL wrong, and you're right.How terribly sad for you people.
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instead Jar Jar "lens flare" Abrams.
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People that complain about lens flare are shitheads.
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because you believe actually that this piece a shit is good, but it not and therefore you live in non-reality, perhaps an alternate universe where this considered good movie. You are delusional and should seek psychoactive help, and soon.
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ASIMOV_LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!
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lens flares are the least problems with What About Brian Trek, but they are example of Jar Jar Abrams what he thinks looks good and therefore his poor judgment as director.
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serously.. lots of folks liked it... you didnt.. why troll through talkbacks about the dvd.. move on to something else for god's sake.. why choose to read about stuff you don't like.. its just sad...
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from the sudden appearance of Spock prime to scottie in the water tube.from Kirk being a rebel without a cause,to Nero being a villain caricature.really open your eyes and read the valid points of the people who dont like this shit.
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the king has returned,long live the king.
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Yeah, I'm a shithead for liking a movie. I am so glad people like you are not in charge of box office.
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I agree with you one hundred percent on STV. I even referenced Kirk's pain line in that previous post about FC (not to you but, Tiberius I believe) I think V had the stuff to be a huge epic sci-fi mind-bender, it's just that yeah, as much as I love him, Shatner was squarely rooted in cravat-wearing, sequined Love Boat film making.
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Your nick says it all that you like Lost and all things Jar Jar Abrams and therefore he is you God and you opinion cannot be trusted as Objective. So, I cannot have a reasonable conversation with one who is so brainwashes by the hype of Jar Jar as good director when he is not. Dare I say overrated. There I said it.
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If you ever bother to read my posts I like Wars, Trek, Lucas. Spielberg, Cameron, etc. I'm just not a hater like you are.
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Buffy, come on, it sucked ass. Firefly? Overrated shit. Serenity? God Awful "movie". Dollhouse? Soap with sci fi things in it.
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"It literally took me a week to get through them all" Herc.
The 2hrs of extras on this fabulous disc are fabulous, out on tuesday, tuesday - click the Amazon link - buy buy buy!!
It's the theatrical release. Yes, the one you've already seen. But so many extras, at least 2 hrs worth...
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I don't hate this movie. I don't feel fuck all about it. Enjoyed watching it. Forgot about it ten minutes after seeing it.
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I consider it a waste of eleven perfectly good dollars.
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Regarding the extras on the SHILL TREK Blu Ray...
"It literally took me a week to get through them all" Herc.
If you get a healthy 8 hours sleep a night there are 112 hours in a week.
"It literally took me a week to get through them all" Herc.
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Nov 14, 2009 4:15:42 PM CST
I don't think I've watched all of the Lord of the Rings extras
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yet, and I've had those discs for years.
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that video was funny as hell and so true to all the haters...one of the best star trek movies in years.
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lockes, would you say; "there were so many extras on LOTR dvd that it 'literally' took me five years to get through them all"?
Cos that would give an accurate interpretation of the length of the extras right? That would make people click on the amazon link and buy right away right? That would make our sponsors (Paramount) happy right? -
Seriously, the inside of the Enterprise is one giant lens flare after another!
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...interested in actually discussing Star Trek ideas rather than simply telling each other that they should die tortuous deaths or be raped for their opinions, my hope for a sequel wouldn't be in simply resurrecting Khan or Gary Mitchell whose characters and casting were so strong originally that to re-cast them would make it seems like we're watching their counterparts in a stunt show. Anyway, I can't discuss the DVD as I haven't seen it yet. But the thing is, I don't really want to. The only film not in my DVD collection is Insurrection and JJ Trek sort of gives me the same feeling about repeat viewings.
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that Kirk calls Cupcake. I thought that would be cool to think it was THAT guy that was harassing Kirk at the Academy and on the ship.
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is like a really good hooker.
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and then I let it's Extras bukkake all over me all week long. I was covered in Jism Jism Abrams from head to toe and it took me all week to wipe the jizz off.
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"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you oughtta go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here.
It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid."
thats what i fucking want for the sequel,thats what ST is all about.and since we have a young and inexperienced crew in its first footsteps towards that fascinating but dangerous cosmos of miracles,i would fucking love to see how the crew explores and reacts to the unknown,how the desire for knowledge overcomes all the obstacles and how at the end the human spirit becomes triumphant.
I dont want Kirk to be from the sequel the miracle man who saves the world and fucks the girl.I want a movie,where throughout it,Kirk and his crew face the Unknown and thought it we explore how as humans react to it: how they control their fears,their dilemmas of morality and rationality ,their anxiety and uncertainty of what sensible decisions should be made,their personal weaknesses and strengths,their personal feeling of fear but also joy of the satisfaction of their curiosity for the unknown.and i want at the end of the movie,Kirk and his crew to become a little more experienced,wiser and mature not only as military officers but also as human beings.
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No, it's not. It not even as good as a hand job from a Quadriplegic Masseuse in an Asian Massage Parlor.
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It literally took me a week.
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Nov 14, 2009 4:59:03 PM CST
I once tried having a wank over a picture of Kathy Bates
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It literally took me a week.
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Critically acclaimed? Sure! What does that mean, though? It means most critics liked it. I don’t equate popularity with quality. Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the blessing of the majority. Majorities may rule, but they are not always right.
Why do I think that the majority is wrong in this case? Here are just a few reasons. These aren’t all of my reasons (that would take more time), but it gives you the general idea.
To reboot or not? Should have a been a straight up reboot, with no reference to the Classic Universe. Start fresh. Works for the Marvel Ultimates. It would have worked here.
Bad characterizations: neo-Kirk is no longer a studious over-achiever. He’s a laid-back frat-boy. Neo-Kirk would never have been accepted to a service academy, much less lasted three years. The enlarged hands scene was Jar-Jar-esque in it sillyness and I could have done without it. Neo-Scotty was a walking punchline (Mr. Scott’s Water Theme Park etc). Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, didn’t really work either for me either.
On the other hand, I found the take on Spock to be an interesting one. He seems more comfortable with his human half, which is how he was portrayed post-TMP. Fascinating!
Bad writing: too dependent on coincidence (neo-Kirk, Classic Spock and the ice planet) or Deus Ex Machina’s (Classic Spock, Scotty and the beaming onto the enterprise, at warp, at a great distance). A little more research and thought should have been put into it. Story was not terribly gripping, or even that original. As someone else suggested in another talk-back, its a TWOK-like revenge story.
Bad Science. Yes, I know we are talking about Star Trek. Doesn’t make it ok.
Set design: using a brewery to stand in for the engineering spaces? C’mon!
Lots of little details: English used in the Vulcan scenes (and school), misuse of Trek terms sprinkled throughout. The entire affair strikes me as being made by folks who have little interest in or respect for the source material.
I don’t deny it made money. The market has spoken. It doesn’t mean that I have to like it (obviously, I don’t’), I just wish they could have made a wad of cash without sinking to such levels of, well, stupidity. Not my intention to insult anyone’s intelligence, but I really can’t describe this movie as being anything but.
In preparation for incoming fire: Langston Field Up! (for those of you who get the reference, now that was good writing)
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Just to clarify: I was referring to the writing behind the Langston field reference, and not my writing.
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Critics are puppets these days. No one gives a shit about them. People go see what they like, or if they hear a movie is good. Remember how everyone was creaming their pants over Borat, yet no one bothered to see Bruno?
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Nov 14, 2009 5:03:24 PM CST
You know how long it took to log onto AICN today?
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It literally took me a week
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Bruno was univrsaly panned by the critics and no one else wnated to see it either. Your example actually proves that critics matter.
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Yeah, thought so.
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stop it,you are killing me ;)
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as long as everyone gets drunk in movie. Star Trek: Strange Brew. Bring it on!
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Keep giving them hell dude! Keep speaking the truth! Fuck the dopes who don't understand what Trek is supposed to be about!!! This movie was an embarrassing piece of shit. If they make a sequel, it will not do well.
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It's your grandmother's dried up shrivelled hairy grey smelly sagging vag hole. And it's even worser than that.
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Okay, i'll stop ominus.
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EW slobbered all over it.
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And God bless your slippery grasp of the English language. Your post wouldn't have been nearly as amusing to me without "And it's even worser than that" at the end.
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You are one dedicated mofo!
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HA!--- that'll be the day. Saw this on a faux-IMAX screen on opening day; didn't do much for me. Zoe Saldana gave me a woody, the guy who played McBones was aces, and Bruce Greenwood lent it some class early on. That was the breadth of its appeal for me.The whole part where Kirk winds up on Little Hoth and battles the beastie in order to Prove His Warrior Status... OK, I could handle that. But then, beyond fortuitous, he runs into the original Spock... who then proceeds to explain (dump) the finer points of the plot in 10 minutes of exposition. Very subtle.One can almost see J.J. Abrams at this point, rubbing his hands together, a big shit-eating grin on his mug, thinking "Good; now we can get back to the stunning visuals!".Won't bother with this one on DVD; sure as hell won't see the next one at all.
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And yet you'll sit through the shit known as Insurrection.
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Nov 14, 2009 5:29:15 PM CST
There weren't enough lense flares in my opinion
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Star Trek 2 should feature fifty times as many. In fact, the screen should be white at all times and the voices of the main cast should just continue behind.Hopefully Bob Orci is around somewhere to relay this to JJ.
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Even the Orion Slave Girl Coed was a fat cow compared to Uwhora. And her makeup job sucks shit too. They should of got hotass balls portuguese mamasita instead.
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should be a lensflare Lensflare is to Jar Jar Abrams as horizontal wipe is to George Lucas.
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so we can download it and watch it with the movie.
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Oh, I can take the bloody nose. It's just kinda boring to wade through endless hyperbole by some people whom I suspect don't even like themselves let alone movies. Sure we all get impatient, you even got a little testy about your love of First Contact and obviously I disagree but there it is, was it worth any anger? And again, there we were talking about Shatner's debacle which was a glorious failure. But he really was trying to say something and did have an epic scope and wasn't simply another story about a bad guy. Shatner just couldn't direct to save his life. (David Loughery's dud jokes were no help either.) Anyway, for those that are incredulous at the idea of people who didn't like the movie joining in a DVD review talkback, just know that some us really like discussing Star Trek, as nerdy and pathetic as that is and blah blah blah, some people talk about football and cars the same way. Big deal.
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I wanted the same things in a Star Trek movie. I assumed Kirk and co. would get to the bridge because they followed proper channels and proved himself over time, not through complete contrivance. Why the impatience to make them Captains and First officers immediately? Where's the growth?
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Any one looking through all these extras gots to be some fat ass MF living in mammas basement living off welfare and checks from Amazon for referrals.
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Cos, what Saving the entire fucking federation isn't worth a little promotion?
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This was exactly what it was intended to be. A flick for the dumb ass generation that never experianced anything trek before. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it in the theater but the walk to your car makes or breaks a film. It just doesn't stand up to intelligent thought. It is what it is, a decent popcorn flick.
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And that would make for a boring 2 hour movie where Kirk is a tech officer working at a dead end job while the Captain goes out on a mission?
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Only the fact that it's a reboot.
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You don't have to show Kirk's growth as an officer and a gentleman, but you shouldn't eliminate either.
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Nov 14, 2009 6:36:16 PM CST
No... a dual commentary with JJ AND Asimov_Lives!
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JJ: "And in this scene, i was trying to show -"AL: "Shit?"JJ: "Huh?"AL: "You was trying to show shit and you succeededed, Jar Jar!"JJ: "It's Jeffrey and don't call me Jar -"AL: "Fuck you, you fucking ass. This scene is the shits just like all the rest. Why is we even talking about it?"JJ: "Please. There might be children listening to this."AL: "I don't care. This movie is the shits!"JJ: "It's a great movie. I'm very proud of it!"AL: "You are delusional and should seek psychoactive help, and soon."JJ: "Who ARE you? I'm a world famous director -"AL: "I kill you!"JJ: (Gasping sound of being strangled)You'd listen to it. You know you would.
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Then First Contact is the Trek movie for you.
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No, that would be Serenity.
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You even had me laughing with that, you crazy gringo! But I never will kill Jar Jar. He's not worth the trouble and price of airfare to the States.
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I'd rather watch Ents fucking than see that abortion of a Star Trek movie again.
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But the more vocal bashers are just being overly negative drama-queens. You don't like mindless Hollywood action movies. I get it. But can't you fuckheads budge a little and compromise a bit? Star Trek was a rousing success, universally liked by theatergoers and critics alike, easily the best Star Trek movie in recent memory. The story was weak in parts, sure, and o.k. maybe it wasn't smart-sci-fi enough. But it was still a great, light sci-fi actioneer and a highlight of the otherwise forgettable summer. That said, I hope Abrams is listening to you bitchy whiners and infuses a little more intelligence into the sequel.
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Film blasted as “accessible to those who don’t even know what Pon Farr is”
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Though I enjoyed the movie for what it was (derivative fluff in a shiny box) I'm surprised more people aren't howling about the Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic clearly being changed to Kirk-Spock-Uhura despite Urban's performance.
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Nov 14, 2009 7:16:03 PM CST
The actors were moving; pieces set in motion by words and action
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done years before. JJ sat at his desk...his mind spinning with a thousand thoughts, Nimoy, the Rabbi, Shatner, HIM, Orci..., so many pieces moving..., he was in far deeper than he had ever wanted; thoughts of the quiet life of a successful director were nowhere near Abrams. "Fuck", JJ thought to himself, "Worst of all...this shit with Nimoy is draining me financially...and the help of my 'friends' to fight him does not come for free". JJ looked at the calendar..."good" he whispered to nobody, for the room was empty but for his thoughts, "The DVD hits soon and....Oh Shiiiit" JJ punched the intercom..."Mary", he shouted at the speakerphone..."Did you remember to get those things out I asked you too". The intercom shouted back...they went out last week J...J." Silence. "Well", JJ thought, " at least THAT will work out as planned..." He took a drink of the Makers Mark and closed his eyes....The UPS truck was early to the Austin suburbs today...Fred hit this particular house almost every god damned day. "Fuck...this guy must do nothing but watch TV and order shit from QVC...probably cried when Billy Mays kicked off." Todays package was heavier than most; 6x2x3 and 75#, bulk freight marked "leave on porch". "I'd have hated to pay overnight on this motherfucker" Fred mused. Jammng it under the crate Fred wheeled the package towards the door...UFO wind chimes, a 6' inflatable Godzilla and 6 months worth of Dominos Pizza coupons spilling from the mailbox greeted him, as they did almost everyday.Fred rang the door bell...and again...and again. "Fuck it" Fred cursed...and leaving the heavy coffin like box on the door...put away his dolly and drove away...leaving the package and its contents to fate.Harry could not help but wonder what the package could be and watching the UPS man leave, cracked open the door just the slightest. "Wow...it looks big enough to be a AVATAR Standee!", "Maybe Jim remembered me from that Convention I met him at in 01...he knows I'm a huge fan after all...", "Or maybe Guillermo sent me a prop from the Hobbit...he knows I love the Hobbit" Harry rolled closer to the box..wary..unsure, the bright light of the sun blinded him, the heat of the fall weather chilled him...how he hated being outside..away from his models, and games, and the dark comfort of the screening room. He looked at the address tag.."From: Bad Robot Prod." "WOOOOW! Something from JJ!!!" Harry fiddled with his phone..."Hey...Herc...Harry here...I just got a big BoX from JJ!" On the other end of the line the one called 'Hercules' responded, "Yeah Harry...I just got one too....wried though...I got my check last month...I wonder what else we could have earned?!" Harry spoke, "I Don't know..I got my check last month too...I bought this super cool limited edition signed Astro Boy standee with it..but this is bigger than THAT even". "hey"..said Herc, "Lets open them together!" Harry squealed.."Oh YEAH thats a Fucking Cherry Idea!" His excitement at a fever pitch Harry clipped the keepers on the top of the box, his heart moments from erupting gooey geek blood from his chest. "On 3..."Harry spoke to Herc..."One...Two....Three!"Harry was speechless, never in his life had joy swept over him so completely, so fully...not even his wedding day or that time George Lucas had licked his ear had filled him with such emotion. "Wooooooow....JJ is the Best" Harry said into the phone to the sounds of soft weeping on the other end. "What is yours?" Harry asked Herc. "Oh....Dude...it...it is beautiful....I've always wanted one...and this...this is better than even the rel thing must be like." Harry stared down into the cold eyes looking back at him.."Oh Herc...mine is a Zoe Saldana model...JJ must have had it made custom just for ME!" Harrys hand trembled as his fingers caressed the soft latex of the Zoe Saldana Real Doll below him. "Oh Harry..." Herc wept into the phone, "this...this makes all the shit I take on the talkbacks worth it...Mine is an Orion Slave Girl!!!" Herc broke into sobs.."Harry...I've always wanted a girl....and now...thanks to you...and JJ...and Roberto...I...I have ONE!" Harry stared at the rubbery love machine before him and thought..."Oh...JJ...if you though we slobbed your knob last time...Just wait till your next film" A tear dropped from his eye...Yes, it was good to be on the payroll.
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THats what I get when i write while drinking!
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novels at AICN.
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XI was a great movie, probably my new favorite Trek film. Though I was a little disappointed they couldn't fit Finnegan in there somewhere. Perhaps the sequel!?
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and he doesn't do it that often.
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I see the film's apologists seem to have one and only one fallback position when confronted with its deficits: "C'mon! It had its faults, but it was FUN! Don't ya like to have fun, you fucking (insert favorite anti-intellectual epithet here)?!"
In effect, they're advocating a paradoxical assessment...that the film was great (the greatest of the series, in some cases), but that it also had errors and contrivances that must be overlooked in order to enjoy it. Thus, if you're the sort that scrutinizes things, you won't enjoy it, but if you have a breezy superficial attitude, it's wonderful.
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Amazing how liking a movie must mean that everyone here is on someones payroll. Grow up assholes. Just because you hate something does not mean everyone who likes it is on someones payroll. Amazing the amount of ignorance an immaturity some people have. If you don't respect those who run this site, then the simple solution is stay the fuck away from it, plain and simple.
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Well, where I come from you can tell any story about anyone as long as you make your characters and plot interesting. You don't like the Star Trek purists complaining, but who says young Kirk HAS to be Captain in the first movie? It could have been about Lt.jg Kirk who gets promoted to, say, Commander for saving his crew in battle or from a new threat, whatever. And at the end of the movie, Pike says, "See? I knew you had it in you." And Kirk's on the bridge and they go warping away. "Oh, God! No!!! Kirk isn't Captain!!! That can't happen!!!" (You must have hated the four movies where he was an Admiral.) And that saving the universe excuse, well, how many intelligence officers, soldiers, pilots etc. make it to Admiral, General, ETC. after defending their country repeatedly? Is Starfleet so short of command staff?
Personally, I always thought the Enterprise being rebuilt and the crew pardoned in the last five minutes of IV was kinda lame too, and reeked of TV thinking, saving the universe or not. You don't have to show Sulu meeting with his Lawyers in the beginning of V, but you know, if you shake it up, it can be interesting too. Why does the audience have to go right back to its comfort levels? I liked Chekov and Sulu serving on different ships in the movies as well. I like things kinda realistic, sue me. I'd say we of the "Didn't-like-JJ-Trek-that-much camp" aren't insulted because of the new universe, I'd say we're negative because it was a lazy, by-the-numbers story, that rushed all of the situations just to get to the final warp out of the ship. Well, if that's what all they thought we wanted, Kirk should've started as Captain in the first place. Have it be about Kirk's first day of command and he's being doubted and everyone says he's too young and what a jerk off he is, cheating on his tests and on and on. And then danger and then yay, Kirk's totally awesome! He's the best Captain ever. And hey, "Three years later" title cards work as well. You know, a fade out to show a passage of time before he gets his big chance. JJ used them in the beginning of his film as well. I would also enjoy a film, I'm sure, where Kirk starts as a kick ass first officer that everyone respects because of his derring-do. If the story's good, I'm sure you would too. -
in Starfleet, and that Spock was in Starfleet when Kirk was but older. Also, McCoy was older too, but he was in Starfleet cause his dad died, and he decided to join. Also, Kirk WASN'T a Captain in the movie. He wasn't even ranked. He was supposed to be assigned to another ship.
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Perhaps I can explain the absence of Finnegan: The revelation that Kirk was bullied at Academy would undermine Orci/Kurtzman's "too cool for school" persona they had shoehorned into the character, and given that they can only bang out one-note personages on their piano, he was naturally excluded.
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get a sense of humor, bud.
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I am not going to go into the reasons why I liked Trek. I am also not an apologist. I just liked the movie. It has faults. It was made by a director who didn't know much about Trek. That being said, I expect the next film to be even better than this one, I hope Abrams and co. learn from the mistakes they made on their first effort, build on the positives and give a more Trek like adventure next time around. They made a Trek for the masses, fine, but now that they have their audience they need to step up their game. Was it the best in the series? No. Was it better than the last two turds (Insurrection and Nemesis) Hell yes. What movie is flawless? What movie doesn't have flaws that you overlook? If we based our like/dislike of movies based on their flaws then we would hate just about everything that is released. Few movies are flawless, hell there may very well be NO movie that is flawless.
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except Herc's real doll should have been Karl Urban. Don't get me wrong his Mccoy was the best thing in the film for me. I'm just saying that Herc fights for the other team.
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I actually agree with you. But, I do wish that J.J. had done more research before he did the film. Just as of last month he was completing the Original Series. That's kind of unacceptable. It's a Star Trek remake, not Friday the 13th.
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I have a sense of humor dude, and my post was not really directed at anyone in particular. I just ranted because I am so tired of all these people that insult the people on this site. Some people just have zero respect. I don't always agree with what is said by those who run this site, but I appreciate the effort they put into this site and respect them for giving us what they do. Sometimes the things that are said about Harry and Co are just downright nasty and totally uncalled for. But that's just me. Carry on.
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Again, I hear you, and yes JJ should have done his homework a bit more. I guess I am a bit more forgiving because for a long time i did not give a shit about Trek, and this movie made me care again. That being said I do expect more next movie. I am not trying to make Saturday night a rant fest. Just kinda bored, g/f is at work, nothing on TV so I'm here ranting LOL
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Pike should have been like 200 years old if he went out on a five year mission before he got to the Enterprise.
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Obviously I believe Kirk made it to Captain way too conveniently in the JJ-verse so now his not being a Captain for most of the movie is supposed to justify JJ and Orci simply promoting him to Captain on their laundry list of plot points to cover? I know, I know, he was just so awesome and such a universe saver that he wormed his way into Starfleet's hearts and ours. Works for you, great. Me, I thought it was needless and lazy. I guess that makes me a hater. Go Haters!!!
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His job is to review/plug stuff. he wrote out an extensive list of things said in the commentary. a very extensive list. what sad fuck is going to read all that when they are going to see and hear it themselves. You obvisouly, but there is always one!!
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you live in Kyushu right ?
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The whole new timeline thing killed it for me. I was expecting more of a prequel and didnt think reboot meant a total complete fucking timeline change. As far as the movies RT numbers being so high....remember that Little Miss Sunshine got 90%. Both movies could have used at least one Predator in them.
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Shit like: "only morons liked this movie" and "we're supposed to be attracted to an ugly green chick?", comments made by someone that honestly expects to be taken seriously like an intelligent human being making rational criticisms?
How can people simultaneously be full of themselves and full of shit? It almost seems to defy nature. As if to say that A literal genius like a neuro-surgeon or a physicist couldnt possibly enjoy this movie? The statement itself doesnt hold water in any way and yet this douchebag seems to have absolutely no doubt in what they type. Just like a true fanatic, isnt it? And as for that "ugly green chick"? Her name is Rachel Nichols. Go ahead and take a moment on google and then properly discontinue to consider yourself as being heterosexual. Women that hot wouldnt give you the time of day and youre saying that a little green paint blinded you to this? Maybe you like Kirk a little too much? Shit, dont like the movie if you want, but you cant actually be walking around believing these opinions have a factual basis in reality can you?
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That was funny.
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The best movie indicators on the web.
I personally think the metacritic rating seems to high, for me its a 3.5 out of 5 movie, an enjoyable and fun movie, but not a movie I will think about too much afterwards (as opposed to say District 9 or Moon) -
Is it some art movie that no one saw but people heap praise on it just because they filmed it for 10 bucks?
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One of the worst films I've seen in ages. Too loud, too many explosions. Worthless plot.
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Maybe ease up on the punches, though. POW!
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Nov 14, 2009 9:34:22 PM CST
No, Moon is one of the best 2009 science fiction movies
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Star Trek is not on that list.
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Supposed to come with a replica of the ship in metal (not plastic) That has to be worth at least $70 bucks..
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I think maybe she'd look a lot hotter if they used make-up instead of the ugly, poorly executed CG effect that was used.
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It looks like awesome, but I will wait a month so I can see if it will be marked down to 40 dollars.
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It's only goal is to entertain and it succeeds at this goal. In fact, it's one of the most entertaining live action summer popcorn flicks I've seen in years. Is it genius? No. Is it a blast? Yes it fucking is. Transformers was a bowl of severed testicles floating in sour ejaculate. Star Trek was fun. Don't take life so seriously for fuck's sake. This might not be as great as Trek can be, but its definitely the best Trek has been in years, certainly since DS9.
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I was minorly disappointed afterwards that it was more Star Wars than Star Trek in that ST was traditionally about issues, and about philosophy, and humanity's role in the world, superimposed upon a space background, whereas this movie clearly wasn't.
That being said tho it WAS entertaining, and was probably among the best movies of the summer (which isn't saying much considering the summer was Transformers, Wolverine etc., but still).
I accept the "alternate universe" explanation and understand that this is a diff interpretation of Star Trek, just as TNG was a diff int than the original series, and DS9 was different still, which was different to Voyager and Enterprise in spirit and feel. But they are all star trek and so is the most recent movie.
Hopefully there will be a bit of a return to form with the next movie, with more Prime Directive stuff, and such. If they don't though, I won't feel too bad as I don't think the movie would have done nearly as well at the box office if it was full of Picardlike-pontificating and bloviating (which I love btw).
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Nov 14, 2009 10:02:42 PM CST
As somebody said, "totally turns the whole Star Trek mythos on i
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Exactly. That's why it's not Star Trek; it's Fake Star Trek.
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..Is unforseeably spectacular, like Empire Strikes Back or Dark Knight. The first flick lay down the foundations of this new Trek universe, now we can hit the ground running with these characters and weave a truely epic adventure.
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when i was 6 i used to beg to stay up late and watch to see my new favorite show on friday nights. I saw the dreaded season 3 episodes for the very first time on an old black and white T.V. the show blew me away! i was hooked! 40 years later trek had been pulled out of the mud its been raked thru for the past decade, ( enterprise did have a few bright spots near the end of the run). and we get Trek 11. some of the actors were spot on with the characterizations. some were not. Nero sucked out loud. instant captain bit the big one for me. it blew chunks. its good to see the toons back in action. lets all prey the 2nd story is better. Ive seen better season 3 episodes.
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...to "Ow, My Balls". They could probably do justice to that property.
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Amen to that!
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"New Trek is Transformers 2 in space without the good action and with more poorly written humor and turning points."
FIRST OFF-There is no good action in Transformers 2, just a series of headache inducing flashing lights and shiny moving crome parts.
SECONG OFF- More poorly written humour? How can you get worse than racial steriotyping? Nearly every fucking robot was a Mecha Jar Jar Binks!
THIRF OFF- More poorly written turning points? Are you shitting me? WALKING STICK ROBOT!! A FUCKING ELDERLY WALKING STICK ROBOT!!
To be fair, I know you think Transformers is shite, that's why you compared the two films in the first place, because you dislike both. But do you seriously think Trans2 is superior? Really? I don't mind you hating on Trek really don't give a damn, but Trans2 is one of the worst movies ever made. Really, Trans2 is as bad as Battlefield Earth and Space Truckers, WORSE even. Star Trek is no masterpiece, but nor is it comparable to that loathsome piece of hateful splooge. -
and had their minds blown. It was highly amusing to see them so used to stale TV trek, then to go to a Trek movie and see an actual MOVIE and not stale TV Trek.
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And Star Trek 2012 will make $500 million domestic.
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especially if he keeps giving me the Rachel Nichols model.
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For people who say Star Trek is the worst movie of the year, please explain how 2012 is a better written film. Go ahead. I'm interested in how you'll try to spin this.
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Nov 14, 2009 10:34:29 PM CST
Look on torrents.. the blu-dvdrip of JJ Star Trek has been out f
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so much fucking better than Star Trek?
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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek: First Contact, and Star Trek. I know it's kind of a cheat to group 3 together, but whatever. 3 different crews both in front and behind the camera, and both have heavy revenge themes running through them. And they're all very watchable for non-Treked and Treked alike. As for the much maligned Star Trek V, I don't think Shatner intended it, but I think it's the most in spirit with the free-wheeling, fairly cheeseball but still a decent central idea of most TOS movies. Out of all the films, I think it's the closest in spirit to the Original Series. Besides,"What would GOD need with a Starship" is fucking gold.
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Not "most TOS movies" You know what I mean, gorramit.
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She sweet talked her way past Nero from blowing up the U.S.S. Hood. Or, more simply, she got into an escape pod and the Enterprise picked her up. Maybe in the sequel Kirk uses Scotty fancy transwarp beaming for an intergalatic booty call. HAH-CHA! Or, easier, just make Gaila in the place of Yeoman Janice Rand. Alternate universe, you can get away with it!
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..Abrams knew what made Star trek TOS special, the characters. Sure it had it's grand themes and ideas, but the characters are the main reason it has endured so long and is beloved by so many. The only main characters in the Wars prequels were Jedi. Jedi are basically monks that audiences could not identify with without a way in, a representive, in the original movies case a certain rogue smuggler. There was a reason Lucas created the Solo character, because he was someone we could identify with, a normal dude. We needed his character because if he wasn't there, all we had were these mystical, larger than life Jedi Warriors. If there was a Han Solo type in the prequels they may not have left audiences cold. Star Trek prequel if nothing else captured the essence of why we loved this crew, and for that it should be applauded.
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..escape pods man. Anyways, I think I saw her at the ceremony at the end of the flick. Screw a more intellectually stimulating sequel, all we need is more alien booty!!
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Yeah, that's right.It took mer ages to find the right place. They changed the name to Ganryjima, so I was looking for a place that doesn't exist anymore.
But then I remembered that it used to be called Funejima (ship island), because of its shape, so I hiked up the local mountain & looked ac
Actually, I might take a boat trip over there tomorrow & check it out.
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Yeah, that's right.It took mer ages to find the right place. They changed the name to Ganryjima, so I was looking for a place that doesn't exist anymore.
But then I remembered that it used to be called Funejima (ship island), because of its shape, so I hiked up the local mountain & looked ac
Actually, I might take a boat trip over there tomorrow & check it out.
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Yeah, that's right.It took mer ages to find the right place. They changed the name to Ganryjima, so I was looking for a place that doesn't exist anymore.
But then I remembered that it used to be called Funejima (ship island), because of its shape, so I hiked up the local mountain & looked ac
Actually, I might take a boat trip over there tomorrow & check it out.
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On my blu-ray system at home. Gradn entertainment. Fucking spectacular in high def.
But mostly, i'm jizzing coz we got it out here in Australia nearly 4 weeks before you guys in the states. HA HA, about damn time we beat you at sexy movie releases. -
GRAND!!! I was too busy speed typing trying to be FIRST!
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I pressed send by mistake. I looked across the straits here. You can see right across from Kyushu to Yamaguchi & all the little islands in the strait.
I'm more of a Kojiro fan myself, by the way. It's not his fault he was stopped from using his supercool Samurai style by a bit of wood. Poor fucker. -
As usual, your post was the highlight of this talkback for me! Hilarious.
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..I'm holding out for the inevitable Holodeck Special Editon. I'm saving for a Holodeck capable television as we speak, and not that Holodeck ready shit, FULL HOLODECK!!
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from the shitastic script to the malt liquor factory "engine room", a bucket of pig vomit made by a dumb ass for dumb asses. The "new" spock is a fucking tool, and Kirk is not far behind. The fawning over this dreck is idiotic.
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Look at all of these whiney ass fat fucking unpolished turds!
You cunts wouldn't know a "good" film if it slapped you in the face with it's dick. Listen to you faux elitist fat ass nobodies, going on about screenplays and dialogue, you fat mother fucking underachievers you have never done nothing of merit or worth in your entire life. I laugh at you fat fucking cunts. This film kicked the shit out of your genre movie and you fat fucking cunts are JEALOUS.
JEALOUS it has a 95 percent critical rating, JEALOUS it bested your shitty ass genre movies, JEALOUS it blew shit Trek like Berman produced Tng, Deep shit nine , Voyager, and Enterprise out of the fucking water. JEALOUS.JEALOUS.JEALOUS.
Now be good little fat bastard little cunts and go choke on your own jizz like good little fat bastard underacheiving cunts should. -
Why not put up a persuasive argument man, that kinda carry on makes fans of the movie like myself look bad.
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I'm calling it right here right now. Avatar gets a significantly lower critical reception, makes lower than 280 million domestic, and like your other shitty genre movies, Star Trek bests by a long shot.
Now fuck your Watchmen, fuck your Battleshits Galactica, fuck your V, fuck your Wolverine and Transformers, fuck your DUNE, and fuck you running. Star Trek owns you fat boys, now deal with it and suck on it like good little bloated soft swollen AICN talkbackers. -
What is there to convince? These forums and talkbacks aren't to change minds man. There's not one thing someone that enjoyed this movie could say to convince someone that didn't to like it better, conversely, there's not one thing someone that didn't like this film could say, to convince someone that did, to enjoy it less. Mind-changing is an exercise in futility.
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I'm Bob Orci! That's the most inspired , thought-provoking revelation I've seen in the 12 years visiting this site. I'm flabbergasted. Can I share an anecdote? Hypothetically, if I were indeed Bob Orci, could I take my extravagant checks from writing Trek and Transformers, and piss all over your Kroger job?
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..your being a child too. God the likes of you guys make me want to stop contributing to this site. Aintitcool is supposed to be about expressing and discussing our common love of movies, not throwing abuse at each other. sound like a couple of god damn seven year olds. PoeticWarrior, you can call the movie "idiotic" all you want, but don't call the people who liked it who you dont even know "idiotic". There's no cause for that kind of hateful bullshit.
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And I didn't say try to convince others round to your way of thinking till your blue in the face, I said put up a persuasive argument, and leave it at that. I didn't say you must change minds I said argue your point or simply express your view.
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You lovely talkback policeman you, I just did. heh heh
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Nov 15, 2009 12:20:35 AM CST
I say again Star Trek 2009 blu-ray dvdrip on torrents!
by scriptgirl_nipples
It's been leaked for fucking weeks now.. the whole thing. Download that and save your fucking cash.
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..Around Here?
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My oh my I do crack myself up sometimes ho ho ho!
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People just have blu-ray burners and blank blu-rays? I gotta wait to download 100 gigs when I can get a 700 meg rip all the same? Yeah, fuck that idea. Blu Ray torrents. Right. Blu ray torrent my balls.
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The bottom line with a film like Trek, is that there has always been, and always will be those smarmy , self-important faux elists that invariably appear, to be the proverbial stick in the mud.
When Star Wars was released, there was that select few that didn't like it. When The Empire Strikes Back was released, there were those that didn't like it. When The Godfather was released, there were those that didn't like it. When Raiders of the lost ark was released, there were those few, those squeeky few, that didn't like it. They didn't have the net back then to be loud and get the grease, but the same turgid breed has alway been there to take the wind from the sails. It's best to relegate such to the status of non-entity and be done with it. -
Yes, "smarmy , self-important faux elists invariably appear", and you were kind enough to herald your own arrival. Thanks for that.
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It's best when pontificating simple elegant truths wouldn't you say?
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They're pretty good!
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Conspiracy nuts are inherently lame. I will never, ever visit those sites or see those movies.
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i like her meat instead of lanky Zoe.
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last.
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Nov 15, 2009 2:20:28 AM CST
It's weird, but now I prefer Rachel Nichols with green skin
by orionsangels
I have to photoshop my entire Rachel Nichols photo collection, dayum!
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Fuck, now I'm REALLY ashamed to admit I liked it.
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I'm one to accept honest problems with a film, but all this hatred on Star Trek? It's silly. Was the film perfect? No,but it was good and it made me smile a lot and it was fun. I'm sorry to the haters who want something full of sci fi babble that equals boringness.
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First off Expert40, I never said the NG movies were any good, so your STINO assumption is- as I said before is clearly wrong and based on nothing except your inability to actually comprehend the arguments that have been made about this atrocious script-almost none of which have ANYTHING to do with “INO” arguments. The fact that you keep using the word “illogical” while not being able to evaluate the obvious differences in the arguments from the GINO crowd and the people who take this horrid movie to task is downright humorous…you don’t even get to the point of utilizing “logic” because you don’t seem to understand the facts that the logic is based upon.
It is also a laughable leap in “logic” to say that 95 out of 100 critics thought this was a great story. Have you ever actually READ Rotten tomatoes? The “Fresh” rating by critic does not AT ALL equate to a glowing endorsement for the story. Many reviews that get a Fresh rating like the production values, some like that it was “fun”, and some are questionable as to why the rating was said to be “Fresh” in the first place. And this was FAR from the “second best reviewed film of the year”. For that you would need to take actual RATINGS from each critic and average them not a generic “fresh” vs. “Rotten”. Your entire argument based on Rotten tomatoes is quite simply erroneous- and unfortunately that seems to be the only argument you actually have.
Also it is humorous for anyone to sit there and point to some generic fresh rating instead of addressing the arguments. It’s a cop out. Do I even need to repeat all the stupidity in this script? The one-cut above fart joke low brow humor from Fat hands Kirk to Scotty and the Wonka Factory; the laughably inept plot contrivances from teleporting onto a warping ship to Spock prime bumping into Kirk on the ice planet; the illogical and lame villain who goes back in time and is bent on revenge instead of saving the world that is now not yet destroyed (why is he mad again- cause his world might blow up in a couple hundred years)? The way Kirk ands Spock become friends because they are told to rather than from any actual character development. I could go on and on but why bother, you’ve read it all before- and been unable to defend it except to say that “someone else said this is a good script, so its good”
I also didn’t realize that you were a mind reader Expert- but note to you- your ESP-antennae is BROKEN. I wanted to like this movie. I have liked Abrams past work. I liked the idea of doing young Kirk and Co. The only thing I didn’t like- was the crappy story that was pooped onto he screen….and the fact that you compare this to Galactica says WORLDS about you’re your lack of capacity to discern quality (Galactica was DEEPER and more complex in its reincarnation- not goofier). Then again maybe I missed that scene where Fat Hands Adama ran around the bridge like a clown-parody of himself while everyone is about to die…or then again, maybe that scene wasn’t there and the TV based Galactica simply had scripts that weren’t a hackishly written as this was….Hmmm I’m not sure which…. maybe I just missed fat hands Adama? -
TREK was dead period. I'm more then grateful that we got Trek back in the movie field. The last Trek films were extended tv episodes and was full of boring techno babble. Its no wonder they flopped. Feel bad for the Next Gen crew cause they are far far better then any of the movies they were forced into. Still don't understand how you can get a decent budget for a film and have material like Trek, where none to limited imagination is the true enemy.
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The "red matter" subplot just made everything messy. While it was nice to see Nimoy again I had no idea what the fuck was going on after he showed up. To compare this to Star Wars IV is stupid: that was a linear fairy tale story, "Star Trek" had more in common with an overplotted POTC movie.
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I generally grant a new movie a certain amount of latitude; which serves to give it time to establish itself, or allow me to figure it out. Actively bad or dumb movies tend to run through my good will rather quickly.
Speaking for myself, I didn't like Insurrection, either. They lost me when they started the HMS Pinafore sing-a-long.
For neo-Trek, I had a similar sinking feeling by the time of Kirk's bloated hands.
I don't know how to sugar coat this, but I found this movie to be cartoonish and childish. Not very serious at all.
I don't object to the existence of such movies. I just wish they wouldn't slap the name Star Trek on them.
For the record, Trek movies that I do like (that is, the positives outweigh the negatives)= TMP, TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TUC. Trek films I'm lukewarm about = Generations, FC. Trek films I don't like = Insurrection, Nemesis, XI.
For me, there has been a definite trend downwards.
Maybe I'm older I get, the harder to please I get, which itself is a confluence of many factors, but I don't see that as a bad thing, necessarily. -
about it won't change anything. Yes, it was a pretty lame story. Time travel stories were always the lamest Trek shows, because they never deal with it correctly (except for Yesterday's Enterprise). If you really want to express your disgust for this movie, then don't fucking buy it and don't see the sequel. Remember, money talks and bullshit walks. That's what happened with Insurrection and Nemesis, remember?
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you can identify with Han Solo?? pray do tell how you can do this??
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You know it's possible. Portugal is the home of the 1917 visit by the Madonna---Almada is jest down-wind, and you know a Landfill needs a blessin' once in a while. Yessir. Retarded Centaurs are to be borned inside the Mammaries Hovel. Git the shovel and bring some coat-hangers.
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Are haters now resorting to saying that they wouldn't have sex with green women? And that inter-species sex is a no-no?
Let's just skip how lame an argument that is against Star Trek and think about what it really means:
What these motards are saying is that if they were confronted and propositioned by an alien woman who by human standards had fantastic tits and an amazing ass, they'd turn her down because her skin had the wrong color and because inter-species sex is yucky. It's not like fucking a horse or a chicken, you know. Why not be honest with yourselves and simply admit that you think fantastic tits, amazing asses and sex with members of your OWN species is yucky?
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That sums up...whats wrong with this movie, if we have posters comparing it to silly effects driven kiddie movies....!
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I didnt hate the movie, it was just mindless junk!
Like I dont hate McDonalds at all, but just realize its crap and low in quality going in. The lovers are trying to pretend its something that it isnt...its simply mndless crap, with a lot of shaky cam, and action to cover a lack of REAL story and real drama or depth. JJ was afraid to make a real story, so he hijacked a well known franchise and did a fast food version of our beloved science fiction story. -
Is how some are all in love with this mindless junk and cant see that its just a lame story with tons of action and shaky cam and tons of plot points that make no sense.
The people loving it have just loweded Star Trek to the level of a kiddie movie, and sadly adults are acting like little kids about this sad movie. -
Nov 15, 2009 7:55:22 AM CST
I'D LIKE TO SEE CHRIS PINE PLAY PAUL ATREIDES IN......
by tehcreepythinman
A Dune trilogy Directed by Darren Aronofsky.
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cheers.
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Not my word, can't take credit for it. That honor falls to LiberalWarrior.
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Conspiracy, the dojo applauds - great story!
Freckles, instead of double posting shouldn't you be doing something useful like sucking my dick? -
Nov 15, 2009 8:47:39 AM CST
Assasains creed 2 and Left 4 Dead 2 out Tuesday
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
Assasins creed 2 and Left 4 Daed 2 out Tuesday. I will be gettng those instead. The stories in those games will likely make more sense than sStar Trek. Star Trek was OK and I will probably Netflix it.
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First Trek to make a good Box Office in awhile - they wanted to appeal to 99% not to 1% ...
I thing they stole so much from SW, B5, Farscape kinda funny...
Overall cheese entertainment - not intelligent scifi -- hopefully the 3rd one sets the universe back to normal -- but then that would indicate more time travel -- yuk --- -
The movie should have stayed away from time travel. Star Trek has used this crutch way too many times. They should have gone with a reboot. Pure and simple. I had no problem with the cast. They were pretty good. My only real issue is that the storyline was not that good. Seemed to be a science fiction salad with the ingredients being Star Wars, Star Trek II, time travel, bad sci-fi humor. All were thrown in and then tossed to make a movie. How about something original?
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But do you honestly think the make-up job on her in the film was acceptable?
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Spock enters the bathroom of the Enterprise, and is confronted by a heavyset, older human. "Spock, how did you find me?!", he asks. "Excuse me, but I do not believe that I have had the pleasure of making your acquaintance.", replies Spock. "Spock, it's me, Jim!", exclaims the human. "Jim...Kirk?? I...I was searching for the Captain's Log.", stammers Spock. "That's not the log, Spock, that's the script. Or maybe it's toilet paper. No difference, really. Let's go save Vulcan!"
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Nov 15, 2009 10:16:22 AM CST
Frecklesgirl and AsimovLives should hook up
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Together they can sit in a room and hate on the new star trek until they are blue in the face. It would be sooooo cute. I do declare them Freckimov! Hope they like the irony of being compared to what they seem to hate so much. Mainstream Entertainment. Hope you will all join me in raising a glass to the happy couple. "To Freckimov!".
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Make my dreams come true some day, Paramount. I know it will be tough, but it can be done. Think of Jean Luc!
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Alhough that concept could rock. Anyway, I'm tired of every other movie featuring time travel. In Doctor Who it's the main conceit of the show but Star Trek should be about space exploration and encountering lots of weird shit. I'd fucking love to see them do a Star Trek Horror movie although we got a tiny bit of that in First Contact which wasn't bad, but not great either.
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I thought Gaila's make-up was pretty darn acceptable, but then I have an Orion Slave Girl Fetish, I'm weird like that .
Chillax they NEEDED to use time-travel just this once, I honestly doubt they'll use it again anytime soon, it was Time-Travel or a full Reboot which would have pissed off you bitches even more...maybe... -
I think it's obvious, I think most people will tell you that the most down to earth, maybe THE ONLY down to earth character of the lot. I don't identify with him because I too am a space smuggler obviously, but because he behaves and reacts like a human being in the larger than life situations he finds himself in. His just a guy, no mission or destiny or any of that mumbo jumbo, he's just getting on with his life trying to make a buck.
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May have looked like body paint (cos it was) but it was faithful to the original design, but a bit darker to make it more realistic looking. If they had given her some textured organic looking lizard skin lets say, then the fanboys would through a hissy fit.
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You can polish a turd, given a big enough budget.
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Nov 15, 2009 11:22:16 AM CST
Tiberius_Prime, I WOULD HAVE PREFERED A STRAIGHT UP REBOOT.....
by tehcreepythinman
Rather then the mindnumbingly convoluted backflips the script monkey's did. Just put the crew on the bridge and let'em rip. There's this fixation with showing how characters got to where they are today. Spider-man, X-Men, James Bond, Star Trek, Batman. I'm really getting tired of "origin stories", especially for characters that have been established for decades. In Star Trek, they waste time twisting and turning the story just to get the characters into the positions they had on the original TV series. And where do they go from here?
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for everything i liked there is something i didnt.
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I forgot about that stupid bloated hands gag. Christ that shit has no business in a Star Trek movie, or in any self-respecting movie for that matter. I found the whole bit so self-conscious, as if the director was yelling from the aisles "this is a FUN part!".. filmmaking for people who can't take anything seriously for five goddamn minutes.
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is that when it first started,it tried to keep closer to the original vision of the tos series,but at the end it proved that the franchise in order to survive commercially at the cinemas,it had to restrict its content of philosophical,social and moral quest and focus mainly on the more grounded and common themes of human nature: revenge,racism,heroism,etc and ultimately the never ending battle of good vs evil.
just look at the st movies:
ST1: philosophical quest,threat on federation
ST2: revenge,heroism,good vs evil
ST3: heroism,good vs evil
ST4: heroism,threat on federation,small ecological message
ST5: philosophical quest
ST6: racism,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation
ST7: heroism,good vs evil
ST8: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation
ST9: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,small moral message
ST10: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation
ST11: revenge,heroism,good vs evil,threat on federation
as you can see in almost all the movies,the federation is threated by the big bad guy and then our heroes come and save the day.thats the main story idea of all these movies.There are two or three movies which tried to return to their original roots and show something different,becoming more fan oriented and less mainstream,thus risking their commercial success which at the end it was proved exactly that.
Star Trek has the tragedy to be compared with Star Wars,a franchise which from the start,was aimed for the medium of cinema,having the clear identity of a fantasy adventure rather than a scifi adventure,and using the always lovable from the audience themes of heroism,good vs evil,saving the world,etc.And moreover SW was aimed from the start,as a series of connected movies which together were telling a bigger story,rather than individual movies which were just replaying the same main story of the world being saved by the hero from the bad guy.They were expanding the universe,they werent James Bond in space like ST.
On the other hand,Star Trek was a television series,focusing more on scifi rather fantasy,exploring a variety of human inquiries from philosophical to moral.And ofc the stories were individuals,each one dealing with different themes rather than telling a bigger story.
What the above mean,is simply this: ST can not be transfered very well into the medium of cinema,if it tries to transfer its television personality too,since its a concept created for the television only.You cant make a ST movie where Picard beats the evil alien with his intellectual weapons like in the series.The general audience is going to sleep from boredom.You want Picard to kick the aliens butt with his phaser weapons.(havent u notice how Picard is less diplomat in the movies than he is in the series?) Otherwise nobody is going to watch the film than the hardcore fans.But the real income for the ST movies come from the casual fans,and Paramount knows that,they are not idiots.
Thats why we are not going to watch a true ST movie,closer to what it was on the television,because frankly it means box office death for Paramount.They cant use the television concept of the series,but they can use the characters from there and explore the lovable themes of heroism,good vs evil,etc.again and again in all the movies.the list i made in the first paragraph clearly shows that this is the case even from the 80s.ST unfortunately is James Bond in space.
Personally i dont mind if Paramount wanted and wants that ST movies should more mainstream,more about what the general public likes and less what the hardcore fandom wants.I understand that profit must be made,after all we are talking about business. -
I love how Scotty just whips up telewarp transportation at a moment's notice. They transported onto a ship that had been warping away from them for hours... that whole bit where Spock drops Kirk on the ice planet was just insultingly dumb, end-to-end.
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1.make your mainstream movies but dont make them as individual stories.follow the formula of the Star Wars franchise.make the movies in such a way that they will tell a bigger story,they will maintain a continuous progress of characterization and they will expand the rebooted universe,rather than recycling the same story in each movie,of the hero saving the world from the bad guy.I already suggested in a previous talkback to make Khan a permanent presence in this universe,rather than the next James Bond villain of the sequel.
2.make a fucking star trek TVSERIES FFS,which will follow the original vision of the series and will be trully for the fans.we have remakes of battlestar galactiva,V,and a lot of other scifi tvseries and we dont have ONE fucking star trek tvseries?? especially after the success of the latest st movie? what the fuck?
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Didn't like that Chekov sequence one bit. Didn't like Scotty much either as it happens. I like Simon Pegg but he isn't right for the role. And the midget alien was a real "Aah for fuck's sake!" for me.
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Did they swing by to pick him up? Did they cast logic to the wind for the sake of that unfunny "GET DOWN!" gag?
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I also really hated the idea of giving Spock "character development." Yeah let's have Spock be an emotional twit in every single scene. Sets up his later growth. Fucking film school assholes can't just let Spock be Spock.
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I knew I wasn't the only one thinking "isn't this Scotty's gig?"
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Seriously watch act III of Star Treks X XI back-to-back and tell me you don't get deja-vu.
Mind you I liked the movie on balance, it was just a very up and down experience where there was a groan-inducing moment between every moment of coolness. And beyond moments it just felt wrong a lot of the time, like I was cheating on my girlfriend with some vapid slut. -
An idea (its not likely to happen, but here it is anyway...):
Let's split up Trek into two parts, neo-Trek (Abrams et. al.) for the lovers of summer popcorn movies in all their cartoonish glory. And Trek 2.0 (yeah, I know, lame title): serious and well thought out. A completely new reboot, which could address all of the shortcomings (historical, scientific, etc)that popped in the previous incarnations.
I would prefer a "separate but equal" arrangement, but I suspect that neo-Trek would bring in the lion's share of the profits. Perhaps a TV series (or, an introductory movie and then a TV series) is more appropriate for Trek 2.0.
Food for thought on this beautiful Sunday morning. -
Didn't mean to steal your idea; didn't see your post until after.
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Nov 15, 2009 12:00:05 PM CST
Or you could just save yourself the money and tour an apple stor
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
looks just like the freaking bridge.
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..If the shpw went out on a high no way, but because it went out like a sick puppy I wouldn't mind it. Same reason I didn't mind a Star Trek reboot, cos it had been shit for years a reboot had a chance of reminding people why it was great to begin with.
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There were 76 uses of the word "Learn" in that article. Drove me fucking mad.
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Kirk 'Shat' a 'Captains Log' for you. It's in the commode, Bon Appetit!
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for starts,he would have Picard with blond hair.and his favourite drink will be budweiser,than earl grey.thats a given.
Data as the first female sex-bot,which becomes a starfleet officer in history.she navigates the enterprise,but also satisfies the male crew of the enterprise.
Worf would be the first gay klingon.because of the augment virus,he doesnt have a ridged forehead,but he does have a ridged pennis.he is Picards favourite officer.
Laforge instead of blind,would be mute.he carries a small chalkboard which he uses to communicate with the others.
We dont know much about Wesley,since he is a killed in a horrible transporter accident,during the beginning of the movie.that scene,not only carries the message of the dangers of technology,but also serves as a small tribute to the trasporter accident in the TMP movie.
Ryker is not in the movie,since he decided to follow a career in beard contests.He has been the champion of galaxy's biggest beard for 6 times in the row.
Dr Crusher is enterprise's gynecologist.apart from her duties in the enterprise,she also conducts abortions for pregnant orion sex slaves.
Troi remains the counselor of the enterprise.the only difference with her,is that she has bigger boobs after her breast implants surgery,and wears a g-string bikini,instead of her starfleet uniform.she is the ticket seller for the movie.
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They don't even realize Asimov_Lives is not the REAL AsimovLives.Just like they miss at least HALF the information contained in this Movie.HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS FILM TO YOU IMBECILES? BobOrci owes me at least a $1 Double Cheeseburger at this point...Yet ANOTHER example, provoked by THIS Umpteenth Talkback...Why do you pretentious putzes, both Portuguese and Domestic, continue to insist that Kirk in this film is some "laid back frat boy" or "random cadet" the film promotes undeservedly when the film itself clearly illustrates you're WRONG?Kirk gets in a bar fight with Starfleet Cadets. Pike challenges him to do better than his hero Dad. Pike points out that he CAN do better. His Starfleet entrance exams are OFF THE CHARTS. He could have his own ship in four years etc etc. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and starts all over again."I'll do it in Three."He drives to the shuttle, gives away his Tom Cruise Top Gun Motorcycle, sits down next to Leonard "Bones" McCoy, one of the truest and greatest friends he will ever have and begins to buck up and buckle down and become the man his father would have wanted him to be, the Starfleet Officer Pike has DARED him to be. "I'll do it in Three."Do you fucking morons not understand the concept of TIME PASSING OFFSCREEN? Do you need exciting scenes of Kirk... STUDYING? Do you crave deleted scenes of Finnegan tripping him while he walks down the hallway, a book with legs?Does the fact that when he walks out of the building with McCoy THREE YEARS AFTER THEY MET McCoy CLEARLY STATES that Kirk's about to GRADUATE TOP OF HIS CLASS and that there's no point in retaking the Kobayashi Maru again because he's not going to beat it NOT REGISTER WITH YOU IDIOTS? Doesn't the film SHOW a Title Card or something SAYING THAT IT'S THREE YEARS LATER?! I can't remember...Kirk has DONE EVERYTHING HE SAID HE WOULD DO. Everything he was dared to do. EVERYTHING HE WAS MEANT TO DO.And tapped some green ass and eaten an apple while doing it. And this isn't enough for you people?1960's Shatner's allowed to be young and cocky and smug and arrogant and Pine isn't?AssesofgoatsLives gets away with calling this Dawson's Trek even though Pine is less than five years younger than Shatner was when he started playing Kirk and Quinto is OLDER than Nimoy was when he started playing Spock?HE SAVED THE PLANET EARTH for the first of many times to come. Pike recommends him for promotion. Spock hands him the fucking keys. And Oh by the way: IT'S A DIFFERENT KIRK IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING TIMELINE IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING UNIVERSE!And that isn't enough for you canon craving minutia masturbating MORONS? You demand KIRK, THE EARLY DAYS: FIVE YEARS ON THE FARRAGUT or nothing?Go write some fanfic. Make your own reboot Ed Wood style with tinfoil and a burning pieplate. Do Something besides REVEAL over and over again that YOU WANTED TO HATE THIS MOVIE from the moment it was announced and DIDN'T BOTHER PAYING ATTENTION to a script that is demonstrably SMARTER than you are in the way it quickly communicates information and in-jokes in a way that won over critics, non Trekkers and Trekkers with an open mind alike. I REPEAT in case you missed it in one of the other talkbacks: Even if YOU ADJUST FOR INFLATION this is the most successful Star Trek film ever made. It beats ST:TMP by over a $100 MILLION and is close to $150 MILLION.EVERYONE Loves It But YOU.
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The rebooted TNG theme will be PLAYED with cowbells!
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Congrats Buddy, you've seen strengths in that film that possibly nobody else in the entire universe has seen. I have realised from your diatribe that this is up there with Citizen Kane and I thank you for educating me. You are THE ONE.
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...and then ignored it like they did the comic tie-ins for this movie.
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You know I am not some over jizzing geek that is affronted by things that don't exactly fit canon. But I must confess that, per cymbals point, (and exactly the same same happened with Superman Returns), I for the life of me can't see where the critics get their huge enthusiasm from for films like ST or SR. Is there some conspiracy theory or do hard core fans expect more from their Sci-Fi and Fantasy than the general public. Very confused.
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First you love it then you hate it. Like with everything else.
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First you love it then you hate it. Like with everything else.
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I noted earlier in this TB that Asimov_Lives was not the real AssholeLives.
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...with a tinted windshield and retractable headlights. He will hate Kirk because he crashed that beautiful Corvette when he was a kid.
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Or did the Imperial have that? Who cares. Roll those R's!
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Yes YOU Did Notice that. After HOURS of DOZENS of Other Haters NOT NOTICING. Thereby PROVING my POINT...
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OK, I'm not calling the film shit, and yes, millions did like it. Why? Because it's written for the lowest common denominator, i.e. the 15-year old summer blockbuster crowd. Since they also factored in some Trek lore, a lot of casual Trek fans also found it entertaining. I was amused by bits myself. So yeah, it wildly achieved it's goal of making huge profits for the studio and entertaining kids who wouldn't otherwise watch ST.
But like some of you in this talkback, I wanted a story for adults. Something like the thoughtful science fiction in the classic TV shows. Sure, put in a new young crew, redesign the look of Star Trek, I'm good with that. But we just wanted something... intelligent. Now, some will argue that by making a Trek movie that's a funny, shoot-em-up, dumbed down, action blockbuster, it brings new life to the franchise. I'm sure that's true. That would be fine if it meant we'd also see some Star Trek that brings intelligent adult science fiction too, but it looks more likely that we'll just see more of the same Transformers 2 mentality, with recycled Khan or whatever. -
Lockes- “Whedon is the real person fans should shit on Buffy, come on, it sucked ass. Firefly? Overrated shit. Serenity? God Awful "movie". Dollhouse? Soap with sci fi things in it. “
Are you KIDDING? I’m not a “Whedonite” as I’ve never bothered with Buffy or Dollhouse and came to Firefly years after it was cancelled, but you think THIS was good and Firefly was over-rated? WOW. The firefly show was freaking brilliant. It was well written, didn’t treat its characters as caricatures and had nothing approaching the childish humor and massive plot holes of this film. “Serenity” may have been merely good, but that places that film miles past this dreck. -
If The Godfather was made today, 99% of Aintitcool posters would call it shit to make themselves feel smart...
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...has won the talkback.
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and I also own Wrath of Khan. Just because you like one doesn't mean you have to hate the other. I think TWOK will always be the ultimate Trek film, but I'm happy that a)TOS is back, and b)we're not being spoonfed a steady diet of systematically made Berman-Trek anymore.How many of those terrible TNG movies did they think they could churn out before everyone noticed it was dying? And the worst part? They were surprised when it ended. They actually thought they were doing good. Embarassing.
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And actually as a great fan of Orson Welles and CITIZEN KANE, I enjoy using that film as my GO TO EXAMPLE whenever people point out "flaws" in a film detracting from their enjoyment. And have done so in a previous Star Trek Talkback...I love Citizen Kane. Do you? Millions of people do. Haven't checked the Tomatometer, but it's come in #1 on the Sight and Sound List chosen by film critics and film makers every ten years for a long while now...But have you ever noticed that Bernstein relates to the reporter a conversation between Kane and Leland and the old guy at the newspaper that HE COULDN'T HAVE HEARD BECAUSE HE WAS WALKING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING WITH THE FURNITURE MOVERS WHILE IT WAS TAKING PLACE?Or that the reporter's questioning of Jed Leland leads into the famous "Breakfast Table" Montage of Kane having numerous arguments with his wife... none of which... Leland was present for? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE CHARLES FOSTER KANE CAME TO WORK EVERY DAY AND DISCUSSED EACH AND EVERY ARGUMENT HE HAD WITH HIS WIFE OVER A SPAN OF SEVERAL YEARS, IF NOT DECADES, WITH HIS OLD PAL JED LELAND?It's also not enough for Welles to cut to flashbacks that characters aren't present for. He has to cut to flashbacks that characters ARE present for and show them from a different vantage point.Like that famous backstage shot of the camera rising up into the wings to show one stagehand turning to another and holding his nose during Susan's performance. How does Leland know that happened if he was out in the audience?How does he know how Kane reacted to his review if he was passed out drunk while Kane was reading it?For that matter: How does ANYONE know Kane's last word was ROSEBUD when NOONE was in the Room when he died?You think Lens Flares are bad? How about that shot of the bird screaming where you can see right through it's EYE? Or that pterodactyls are flying through one of the nature scenes because they used stock footage from KING KONG?Orson Welles? What a shitty filmmaker! How could so many people fall for this crapfest? It's worse than Abrams!Now I've got to go rewatch DR. STRANGELOVE and look for flaws since someone threw down that gauntlet earlier... ;^)
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Thanks.
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is my hero. Seriously, all of you Abrams hating canon-ite rogue non-conformist wannabes need to just accept the fact that Trek is popular again, like it was in the glory days of the 80's.
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Have any of you haters considered that Abrams and Orci and crew gave us a Star Wars-esque rise so they can give us an Empire-esque fall?Maybe Kirk ISN'T ready? Maybe his crew has no clue what they're going to come up against? Klingons,Khan whatever... Maybe this young crew will be tested and tried and he'll need the logic of Spock and the wisdom of McCoy and the technical no-how of Scotty etc etc to pull his and their asses out of the fire?Wouldn't THAT be a hell of a sequel?
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whiny, fucked, moldy, stuck-up, vomit licking, rotted cunts, you are. I spew semen in your cornflakes and tell you it's honey. You stink of pus-encrusted weeping sores, and you all deserve to be shot and pissed on. By the way, the new Star Trek is brilliant and nothing anything you ignorant sons of bitches and scions of bastards say, will make me feel any different. Fuck all of you, fuck you in your ugly asses.
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Firefly was shit, and Whedon was reusing ideas by episode 3. I also hated how the little superhero girl saved everyone in every episode. Shit.
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With STAR WARS and STAR TREK having so many similarities (which is not a bad thing as far as I'm concerned, they almost feel like 'brother' movies) What would an Empire-esque Sequel be like?
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is not valid when discussing art.You simply can not justify the flaws of one movie,because another movie has also flaws.If i follow the logic of your argument,then Transformers 2 is justified for its flaws,because Citizen Kane has flaws.
Every movie is judged as an individual piece of work,with the artist solely responsible for it.JJ can not use Orson Wells as an excuse for his directional work on his work.Unless you can argue that it was Orson who somehow influenced JJ to use flare light in his scenes.
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in fact Roddenberry showed up to the first Star Wars convetion in 1987, and even went on stage to greet Lucas.
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serious scifi genre.oh well.
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It was the first con where Lucas actually showed up. I wonder if it's on Youtube?
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having watched EVERY Star Trek movie committed to film (each time during the original release of each movie) I have wtahced EVERY single epidsode of TOS, a good amount of TNG, Voyager and DS9...I think I may just be qualified to offer an opinion of this new movie. I enjoyed it, despite any lapses in logic (which Star Trek as a whole has been riddled with) I think it probably is the most entertaining of all the films. Before the flaming beings, Let me say this....Wrath of Khan comes in as a close second.
Allow me to elaborate. WOK has some wonderful suspense, some great comedic moments, but it has it's weaknesses too, unfortunatelu it does seems to bog down too much at certain points. There are high and low points to most of the Trek movies (Strat Trek 5: the search for God, should not have been made...PERIOD) Although I enjoyed TNG well enough, most of the movies done under that banner were a bit sub-par considering the franchise pedigree.
As far as the new Trek and it's detractors are concerned. So many have not given "logical" reasons why they do not like it. For starters, we have those who are pissed because events do not transpire the way they were "originally" supposed to. The whole conceit of this movie is how ceetain events shape the people involved.)
Kirk reacts differently due to what happens to his parents etc etc. The movie explores how the change in one timeline will ultimately effect everything in it's path. It also plays with the idea that no matter how much things change in that timeline that there are some constants that will always be there (Kirk and Spock being friends the Enterprise crew getting together.) The idea was even played with in the Episode
Amok Time where even in an alternate universe the core crew were STILL together (even if they were on a different side)
New Trek plays with ideas that have been introduced previously. I like the idea of following a crew who's very existence has been altered due to time travel. I'd like to follow that for awhile without the option of the almighty reset button to set everything back to the way it's supposed to be.
If you don't like the movie, that's your option, but give me "logical" reasons as to why it doesn't work. Or just keep your mouth shut and find another talkback to troll.
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name star trek,does not give gravitas to your opinion.simply as that.
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Nov 15, 2009 3:52:22 PM CST
If a hardcore Trek fan's opinion does not have "gravitas"
by rogueleader66
Then neither do the opinions of non trek fans or casual fans, or those who like to use fancy words like gravitas. Simple as that.
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They can't stop talking about it, because deep down they liked it. Best blockbuster of the year!
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Almost every detractor of this movie makes a huge stinking deal out of those two things. So you're telling me those two things make the move bad? They must because every person who dislikes this movie mentions that. Sure, detractors have mentioned numerous other reasons why they don't like the movie. But why are lens flares and shaky cam such a big fucking deal? How do they contribute to the movie being bad? It's just a filming technique you don't like, it hardly makes the movie bad.
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”HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS FILM TO YOU IMBECILES?”
At least once more.
”BobOrci owes me at least a $1 Double Cheeseburger at this point...”
And I’m sure that you’ve earned every cent.
”Why do you pretentious putzes, both Portuguese and Domestic, continue to insist that Kirk in this film is some "laid back frat boy" or "random cadet" the film promotes undeservedly when the film itself clearly illustrates you're WRONG?”
Because that is how he is written.
”Kirk gets in a bar fight with Starfleet Cadets. Pike challenges him to do better than his hero Dad. Pike points out that he CAN do better. His Starfleet entrance exams are OFF THE CHARTS. He could have his own ship in four years etc etc. He picks himself up, dusts himself off and starts all over again. He drives to the shuttle, gives away his Tom Cruise Top Gun Motorcycle, sits down next to Leonard "Bones" McCoy, one of the truest and greatest friends he will ever have and begins to buck up and buckle down and become the man his father would have wanted him to be, the Starfleet Officer Pike has DARED him to be. Do you fucking morons not understand the concept of TIME PASSING OFFSCREEN? Do you need exciting scenes of Kirk... STUDYING? Do you crave deleted scenes of Finnegan tripping him while he walks down the hallway, a book with legs? Does the fact that when he walks out of the building with McCoy THREE YEARS AFTER THEY MET McCoy CLEARLY STATES that Kirk's about to GRADUATE TOP OF HIS CLASS and that there's no point in retaking the Kobayashi Maru again because he's not going to beat it NOT REGISTER WITH YOU IDIOTS? Doesn't the film SHOW a Title Card or something SAYING THAT IT'S THREE YEARS LATER?! I can't remember...”
If memory serves, I believe there was a title card stating 3 years had passed, or it was mentioned in the dialog. This is not in dispute. Time may have passed but Kirk is written as being the exact same character. I perceived no character development between Iowa Kirk and Academy Kirk. This was very evident to me. Perhaps I have an overly idealized view of the military academies, but if Starfleet Academy is anything like West Point or Annapolis, then Kirk wouldn’t have lasted three months let alone three years. They wouldn’t have put up with him. There is a lot of growth that goes in that time. Usually for the better. Kirk, outwardly, displayed none of this.
”AssesofgoatsLi ves gets away with calling this Dawson's Trek even though Pine is less than five years younger than Shatner was when he started playing Kirk and Quinto is OLDER than Nimoy was when he started playing Spock?”
I have no problem with Quinto or Pine. Just how they were written.
”HE SAVED THE PLANET EARTH for the first of many times to come. Pike recommends him for promotion. Spock hands him the fucking keys. And Oh by the way: IT'S A DIFFERENT KIRK IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING TIMELINE IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING UNIVERSE!”
Universes come and go, but personal standards need not. This movie didn’t meet mine.
”Go write some fanfic. Make your own reboot Ed Wood style with tinfoil and a burning pieplate. Do Something besides REVEAL over and over again that YOU WANTED TO HATE THIS MOVIE from the moment it was announced and DIDN'T BOTHER PAYING ATTENTION to a script that is demonstrably SMARTER than you are in the way it quickly communicates information and in-jokes in a way that won over critics, non Trekkers and Trekkers with an open mind alike.”
Actually, I went in thinking that there was a good chance it would be good, based on what little I saw in the trailers. Needless to say, it failed. Open-mindedness is a good thing. But not to the point where one’s brain falls out.
”EVERYONE Loves It But YOU.”
That may be, but that doesn’t make them right.
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Agreed, 7 freaking months after the movie's release and the detractors are still talking about it. They want everyone to hate it like they do, or they want to make those who like it feel like idiots for liking it. Or maybe they want to convince those who liked it that it sucks, but they can't, and they won't that's what they don't realize. On the other hand, those of us who like it will never convince those who didn't to like it. It is an endless cycle of pointless arguments that usually end up with a lot of childish insults being thrown around. It's entertaining at times. but mostly just dumb.
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Shia would have father issues, and Optimus would become his guardian.
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Not only are black holes not time portals, but why hasn't anyone pointed out that a major plot hole is the explanation of what red matter and where it came from is. I hated this movie on the first viewing, but went to see it at the discount theatre and thought it was a bit more fun. It's not the greatest movie ever, or even the best Star Trek movie ever, but it's ok. I'd rather watch Wrath of Khan or First Contact any day. I still can't buy into the idea that Kirk would be promoted to Captain so quickly, especially after being insubordinate. This makes starfleet seem like they reward bad behavior. And I may be the only one out here who didn't buy Karl Urban as Bones. It seemed to me like a bad caricature, not a genuine performance. And I always thought McCoy got his nickname because he was a "Sawbones", which would be old school slang for a surgeon. I hope the second film is a great deal smarter than the first, and doesn't become the Star Trek version of "Quantum Of Solace", where they make the follow up appeal to the WWE crowd, with lots of shootin' and killin'.
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next you'll be telling us your off to "find yourself"!! :)
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hardcore,but i have never used that as an argument to support my opinion.i speak based on what i see and i never think myself as an authoritative voice of truth.
in fact reasoning like Brianicus',is the one that leads to the diminish of the opinions of the more casual fans.not the opposite.
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I'm trying to adress the argument that what's FLAWED about a movie somehow supercedes or negates what's GOOD about a movie.AICN Talkbackers, like geeks of any stripe, never cease in their ability to NITPICK. No film is perfect. CITIZEN KANE isn't. Neither was STAR TREK or THE DARK KNIGHT. And AVATAR sure as shit won't be a perfect film either. I can state that with absolute certainty and I've barely even watched the trailers. You can always find SOMETHING in any movie that doesn't work for YOU.But when Haters of this movie stoop to demanding that a fictional 23rd Century Space Exploration agency conform to the rules of 20th Century military protocol in terms of promotions and discipline and everything else, how can ANYONE take them seriously?"My Uncle Gomer was in Vietnam and he said Kirk would never have been promoted that way in real life!" WTF?Or when Trekkies or Trekkers or Trekkoids or Trekkites or whatever the fuck they're calling themselves demand that any incarnation of Star Trek conform to their precious "canon" ie 40 years of Made Up on the Fly Technobabble Horseshit,or even worse... ACTUAL SCIENCE? I don't know whether to Laugh or Cry. "A BLACK HOLE IS NOT A TIME PORTAL!" they insist, pounding the computer desk in front of them, knocking over half full cans of Mountain Dew Voltage and disturbing the new layer of Cheeto Dust falling like freshly driven snow on their mountainous manboobs...Oh really? Spend alot of time around black holes do you? Your Aunt Edna and Uncle Obadiah went through one on their honeymoon? You don't say! And slingshotting around the sun IS a more effective method of time displacement? I have an idea: why don't we put you and kwisatzhaderach and AsimovLives and anyone else who wants to tag along on deep freeze for 300 years, thaw you out, strap you into whatever space vehicle our grandkid's grandkids are using and SLINGSHOT YOU AROUND THE SUN AND RIGHT INTO A BLACK HOLE?Either one of two things will happen: You can go back in time and prevent Abrams TREK reboot and it's 300 years of holographic virtual reality sequels, reboots and re-reboots FROM EVER OCCURING AT ALL... OR you can all argue about how the Black Hole doesn't remotely resemble what your Cousin Ichabod's back issues of OMNI said it would look like as you and your opinions cease to exist...
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"Asimov Lives should record a commentary by lockesbrokenleg Nov 14th, 2009 05:46:23 PM
so we can download it and watch it with the movie."
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While I was busy typing all that TWO more people complained about Kirk being promoted to Captain!When did Starfleet Academy become West Point or Annapolis? IT DOESN'T EXIST!Have you never heard of a BATTLEFIELD PROMOTION?Pike handed the Captain's chair to Spock and PROMOTED KIRK TO FIRST OFFICER. It's... Right... There...in...the Dialogue!Spock relinquishes command because of emotional problems and makes Kirk the new C.O. It's...right...there...on...the Screen!They're not making a cadet into a Captain at the end of the movie. He IS Captain as long as Pike and Spock are incapacitated. What movie did you people see? WERE THERE REELS MISSING?!
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Re: TV Trek vs. movie Trek. Don't forget that one BIG reason why tv Trek plots are usually more "intellectual" and diplomatic is the budget constraints. Shoot-em-ups are expensive, it's much cheaper to talk out plot resolutions. Thus the appearance of a more diplomatic and thoughtful Picard for instance.
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I never thought about the logic issues involving Leland and what he couldn't have known ... just assumed (w/o really thinking about it) that the film went back and forth between Leland's p.o.v. and the omniscient narrator p.o.v. There are other little flaws in CK that do stick out more (viz. Welles' use of KING KONG flying reptile footage in the background of one of his shots, lol) and though I enjoy the flick I think it's overrated. I much prefer Touch of Evil, if I had to pick a favorite Welles picture.
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You have a legitimate request for people to budge a little in their dislike for a basic action flick
I think this movie was terrible, but I could have liked a popcorn “Action Trek”. That’s actually what I expected going in.
Unfortunately, this was just terrible even for a popcorn flick. The humor was just too stupid, the contrivances were too lazy and utterly “suspension of belief” killing, and the action actually wasn’t very good or at all dramatic (except the opening scene which gave me false hope for the rest of the film).
This utter failure of a film really had nothing other than great production values and decent picks for the young crew….
mean they dumbed down Star Trek into an action flick- OK that could be fun too, but at least make it a GOOD action flick…. JJ didn’t (The atrocious script made that impossible) that’s why the film sucked. -
Wasn't the nurse with Kane when he died? She could have heard him say Rosebud?
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He says it. Drops the snowglobe. THEN the nurse walks into the room.The Butler claims he overheard it, but he's not in the room either.
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Point taken and well made, and without being a smartass, my apologies for being one.
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Maybe the nurse was in the hallway coming in and she heard it?
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Welles said that his co-writer Herman J Mankiewicz came up with Rosebud. He always thought it was corny. And the cowriter called it Rosebud as a joke because he heard that was Hearst's pet name for Marion Davies' genitalia...
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The butler. I know we didn't see him in the room, doesn't mean he wasn't there.Doesn't he also say that he heard Kane say 'rosebud' "that other time too..."? So maybe Kane said it again on his deathbed...
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fuck of you fucking fucks!
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Ohhh what a nancy boy, I bet he likes it up the bum, faggy fag fag, he sucks farts out of dead bears, eats his mom for nickels...
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More intelligent comments from the idiot section. Bravo. The handicapped need their say as much as any of us.
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You're right. The Butler must have been in the room even though the film doesn't show him being there. And the reporter doesn't seem to believe him. Maybe the Butler was hiding under Kane's table during all those arguments and hanging out up in the wings during Susan's opera performance on his day off too.The point is: Welles is a magician and the whole film is a magic trick that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny in certain particulars.But it Works. For millions of people. So does Abrams' Trek. That may be the only thing they have in common. But to ignore flaws in one while eviscerating flaws in another shows the subjectivity of one's opinion on plot holes, correct?
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That's why the reporter has all that info.
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Yes I think the action in Star Trek was far worse than Transformers 2 (except the initial Start Trek Battle which was great). The rest was just awful.
I also do think Star Trek had worse humor overall. Yes, the racial stereotypes were far more OFFENSIVE than anything in trek (It was Chris Rock level), but the human humor in T2 was passable. The Star Trek Humor was almost all insufferable crap. Fat Hands Kirk to Wonka=Scotty- it was just horrible.
Also yes the turning points far were worse in Star Trek- the old robot was bad, but not as bad as Spock basically condemning Kirk to death with the ejection based on their whining match, the Kirk in Phantom Menace scene (Which was horrible in the Phantom Menace so why it was reproduced is just mind boggling), to Kirk stumbling on to Spock Prime, and the friendship of Kirk/Spock being kicked off by Spock Prime TELLING them - hey you are friends….Oh really…cool. The Transporting onto a warping ship was an inexcusably piss poor contrivance to basically reboot the hoth storyline, and the Kirk/Cadet to Caption was just horrid. Also the entire motivation for the villain being pissed about his dead planet is silly- It’s now not necessarily doomed since he’s in the past, but he hasn’t figured that out I all the years he‘s been hanging out. At almost every turn Star Trek made little sense and had Prequel George Lucas level contrivances. It was awful.
Now I will say that I certainly would not call someone out for thinking Trek was better than Transformers 2, but I find the point very debatable - I felt I had wasted $10 less after seeing the latter.
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He saved the ENTIRE federation by defeating Nero, who said that he was gonna fuck the federation up one planet at a time.
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are real good.
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to see Citizen Kane & Star Trek mentioned in the same breath.
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what game r u watching? they are loosing to 1 of the worst teams in the league
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Okay so you wouldn't be pissed if some alien came to you, told you earth was going to be destroyed but not to worry he had a magical fix that would save you and the Earth, but then the senile old bastard didn't show up on time...and everyone you have ever met, your entire family and you're pregnant wife were all incinerated...you wouldn't be pissed off? not even a bit?
Okay well lets pretend that you aren't, you'd at least like an explanation right? Okay so you go to see this Old Prick who let you down and lo and behold he has just created a blackhole that sucks your ship in and sends it back in time 154 years. Is your pregnant wife alive here in the past? no she hasn't even been born yet. You still not upset, not even a little bit? Well I guess you and Nero are just very different people. -
Even if Nero created another blackhole there is no way for him to navigate his way back to 2387, the Narada unfortunately does not have a flux capacitor and nifty control board where you punch in dates, he could end up anywhere or when.
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...if it wasn't so dumb. But it was really, really dumb. I can understand not wanting a STAR TREK reboot to be dry and brainy, but did it have to be dumb? Everything else about it was pretty awesome though. But yeah, dumb.
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Spock didn't condemn Kirk to death by stuffing him in a pod and blasting him down to delta vega. The Pods computer told Kirk to stay put and await retrieval, he chose to go outside, that's on him, not Spock.
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Could be possible that Kirk seems laid back at the Academy because he is "GENIUS LEVEL" and doesn't actually have to try that hard?
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It was was TV standard (quality) at best, and had a script that was one of the worst scripts, for a so-called blockbuster, ever written?
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1. What was Whedon re-using by ep 3?
2. You “hated how the the little superhero girl saved everyone in every episode. Shit“.???
That’s funny, because the “little superhero girl” saves the crew twice. Other than that she appeared was more of a liability than the savior. If “Firefly” was more like “Serenity” where she really was a superhero, I’d agree with you a bit more. I found Serenity merely good- and am not that fond of the “little superhero girl”, but the episodes of Firefly have many crew-members saving the day at different points. And unlike Star Trek they were great characters- not goofy CARICATURES. -
Clearly you don't read many scripts...if any.
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It doesn't matter how many times I explain these things, you people come back and repeat them.900LBGorilla: Why do you and SpazimovLives and seemingly countless other Aint it Cool(to have an an Uninformed Opinion)talkbackers think Spock has "basically condemned Kirk to death"?By sending his escape pod to the nearest planet with a STARFLEET BASE on it?Did you not hear the escape pod's computer TELL KIRK TO SIT TIGHT because Starfleet personnel are AWARE OF HIS LOCATION and COMING TO RESCUE HIM? Kirk makes the choice to say "Fuck This" and leave the pod. Because he knows the Starfleet guys are going to arrest and confine him. I AGREE. The Ice planet sequences are the "weakest" part of the film, in terms of coincidences, plot contrivances, whatever you want to call them. But I have yet to hear ANY of you haters come up with a better solution.Do you WANT Kirk to freeze to death or be eaten by the monster? Or sit out the rest of the movie in a brig waiting to be court martialed?Do you NOT want Spock Prime in this movie? Do you not see the value of having Spock Prime provide EXPOSITION in that "fascinating" way Nimoy has always been able to do, since the TV series began? (Apparently NOT since I spend half these Star Trek Talkbacks REPEATING what Spock Prime SHOWS AND TELLS Kirk (and the Audience)in the Mind Meld. Were you Haters too busy grumbling to yourselves to PAY ATTENTION?Do you NOT want Scotty in this movie? Do you not recognize the comic relief Simon Pegg provides after the destruction of Vulcan and the inter-crew turmoil of the previous few scenes? He makes us smile again and helps Kirk save the day. It's a wonderful tribute to Jimmy Doohan and Pegg milks it for all it's worth.And the pointlessness of Nero's revenge IS THE POINT. He's so overcome with rage and grief and his inability to save Romulus that he doesn't seem to know or care that THIS ISN'T HIS TIMELINE. IT ISN'T EVEN HIS UNIVERSE. He and Spock have NO WAY OF GETTING BACK and fixing things. THERE IS NO RESET BUTTON. So he wants to destroy other lives the way his life was destroyed. That's pretty much it.Does Trans Warp Beaming make sense? Sure. About as much sense as Chekov and his Captain BEAMING DOWN TO THE WRONG FUCKING PLANET in The Wrath of Khan. And you Haters ate that Horseshit up like it was Death By Chocolate. Once again. With Emphasis. FUCK YOU.
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When you fuckers were saying shit like, "Firefly is the greatest thing since air." I bought the DVD set, and trudged through those tepid episodes. Blech.
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You expained the pod thing much more concisely while I was typing. But of course I've already explained it in the previous dozen Trek talkbacks...
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I swear it's like half of these cocksuckers were to busy hating this movie to pay attention.
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burn him at the stake!
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If AsimovLives watched the DVD cranked up with portuguese subtitles on and an annotated copy of the screenplay in his lap, he'd still have trouble following the plot."Some people, if they don't know, there's no way you can tell 'em."-Louis Armstrong
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I'm watching THE PRISONER on AMC and heading over to THE PRISONER Talkback...
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Your point on TWOK is right on the money, I talked about that in a post in another Trek TB, and funny how whenever I make a valid point as I have done many times, it gets totally ignored, NO ONE responds to it. Curious (as Spock would say). I love TWOK, it's my favorite Trek movie. But if we are gonna nitpick at every little thing like the detractors do, then lets do that. When the Reliant enters the Ceti Alpha system, are we to believe that NOBODY on the Reliant noticed that there was an ENTIRE PLANET missing? Are we to believe that there were no scans made when they entered the system? That's a pretty big hole isn't it?My point is and I am sure you agree, is that there are inconsistencies/plot holes in just about every movie if we really wanted to nitpick and point out every flaw in all of these movies. I agree that it seems like no attention was paid by these detractors during some points in the movie. Now I am not saying that the detractors don't have any valid points, they do. But for whatever reason they feel like they need to pick apart every last thing about this movie because they didn't like it, and that's fine. But make valid points, ones that are not so easily disputed.
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”When did Starfleet Academy become West Point or Annapolis? IT DOESN'T EXIST!”
You don’t say! Starfleet Academy may not exist, unfortunately, but West Point and Annapolis do. And I think its legitimate to use them to compare to how a fictional military academy is portrayed.
”Have you never heard of a BATTLEFIELD PROMOTION? Pike handed the Captain's chair to Spock and PROMOTED KIRK TO FIRST OFFICER. It's... Right... There...in...the Dialogue!”
So, a third year cadet (Kirk hadn’t graduated at this point, in fact he up for disciplinary action, and likely wouldn’t have graduated, cheating, I’m sure, is frowned upon), is promoted to first officer. No one more experienced or more senior was available? They went out on an actual mission with nothing but cadets? Or was everybody more senior killed in action? Whatever the case, its some coincidence! Doesn’t that strike anybody as the least bit odd? True, Kirk Classic went out with a “boat load of children” in TWOK, but it was supposed to be a training cruise. Not defending TWOK on this issue, just pointing out some of the differences.
”Spock relinquishes command because of emotional problems and makes Kirk the new C.O. It's...right...there...on...th e Screen!
They're not making a cadet into a Captain at the end of the movie. He IS Captain as long as Pike and Spock are incapacitated.”
Sure, I’ve heard of Battlefield promotions (actually, this is more of a “Jumpstep promotion”, since he is skipping a few ranks), and eventually was acting CO of the Enterprise. Question is, would he stay CO? The CO of the Enterprise is who the Admiralty says it is. Surely Starfleet has a list of officers who could take over. They wouldn’t just award it like a prize or a thank you gift. Since we’re dealing with fiction, all of could be written away. But that’s kind of the problem, isn’t it?
”What movie did you people see? WERE THERE REELS MISSING?!”
The same movie that you did. There were no reels missing, just Due Diligence on the part of the Filmmakers.
”Does Trans Warp Beaming make sense? Sure. About as much sense as Chekov and his Captain BEAMING DOWN TO THE WRONG FUCKING PLANET in The Wrath of Khan. And you Haters ate that Horseshit up like it was Death By Chocolate.”
In TWOK, they beamed down from Orbit to a planet whose orbit had been shifted by the destruction of ceti alpha 6. Can’t say why that would cause the confusion that it did, but that’s all the information that we have. Neo-Kirk and Scotty beamed from a planet to a ship at warp, that by then was light weeks, light months or even light years away (which negates the need for starships, to a point). These two situations are considerably different. And it was made possible because Classic Spock typed in an equation into Mr. Scotts 23rd century equipment, thus enabling this feature. I wish it were that easy in real life. But in fiction, this would constitute a Deus Ex Machina. It’s either a cheat, lazy writing, or yet another incredible coincidence. You can make up your own damn mind.
“Once again. With Emphasis. FUCK YOU.”
”Do you punch your mother with that mouth?” Regardless, right back at you.
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in TNG, etc, because they said that sometimes warp has holes in it, and the transporter can beam you through the hole and onto the ship.
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First off, no I would not be pissed AT the person if some guy who had no incentive other than the desire to help tried to save my planet even if he failed.
If I was pissed at him, I would be an idiot- like Orci’s villain.
I would also be even less pissed if due to all this I was sent back to the past where I could, Uh I don’t know WORK ON SAVING MY PLANET’S FUTURE. Instead of risking my life starting battles and seeking revenge on people who are trying to HELP ME SAVE MY PLANET WHICH NOW MAY NOT BE DESTRYED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Of course you would act rationally after having your wife, unborn child, parents, friends, neighbors and pets incinerated, because how could that possibly upset someone?
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He can't return to his own timeline, he would have to sit around for 154 years for 2387 to role around, by which point he would be older then Spock Prime, think he'd have much of a shot with his wife a second time under those circumstances?
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He'd have to compete with a younger version of himself for her affections, maybe this could be it's own spinoff... :P
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credit where credit is due.
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Nero was gonna wipe out the federation, destroy that pesky sun before it went supernova and then return to Romulus as a hero. It would have worked if he hadn't left Spock Prime alive. It was his emotion that got the better of him, he wanted Spock Prime to suffer as he had suffered and that was his undoing.
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You are focusing on a Strawman. I forgot the Pod said stay put- but that is meaningless- my real problems with the script was all the other things I wrote. Besides, your explanation just leaves another MASSIVE and even more moronic plot hole.
You said “Kirk makes the choice to say "Fuck This" and leave the pod. Because he knows the Starfleet guys are going to arrest and confine him“.
Really? So an (according to the script “Genius” Kirk) says “fuck this” and hops out of a safe Pod to wander aimlessly on a barren ice planet to avoid getting arrested? What the hell is his plan? I mean, even if he doesn’t know there are carnivorous Phantom-Menace monsters running around trying to kill him? To amble off to die of frostbite, or starvation so he doesn’t get arrested? This is an even dumber plot point than I brought up already.
And the “better solution” would have been to not have the Hoth/Phantom menace planet AT ALL. The entire storyline is erased with an inexcusably idiotic Maguffin ANYWAY when Scottie invents trans-warp teleporting so everyone gets back to where Kirk was to begin with. This is the problem - the entire scene is an utter foray into stupidity and has no purpose other than to flash some CGI and hack-ishly crap out an implausible scenario where Kirk can bump into Spock Prime and later Scotty.
And REALLY? You can’t figure out a better way to introduce Spock Prime and Scotty? Seriously? Cause I cant think of a WORSE way to introduce them….which is also what makes the story so pathetic.
And Creating trans-warp beaming (which makes ships irrelevant now) is the same to you as having a planet chart in TWOK that is wrong/out of date due to a shift in the solar system? Really? Weak doesn’t BEGIN to describe that rational.
Also what is Nero a philosopher now? How doe HE KNOW he can’t save his world??? To him he is just in the past so SURE there is that chance. You actually are saying that Nero being pointless IS THE POINT? At least we now agree- that about sums up this script- it’s pointless irrationality IS the point.
Oh and for the record while we‘re being all mature and logical- Fuck you to….douche.
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When the geeky movie site loves the Star Trek movie, they're selling out, huh? And the complainers' "proof" is that they didn't like it, so obviously, anyone who does is an idiot or being paid off. Such mature opinions.
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What was bad about Firefly. Other than the incorrect commentary about super girl always saving the day and inexplicable allegation that storylines were repeated.
I think you just don’t remember the show that well if you did watch it. Maybe it wass not your cup of tea - which is fine, but it certainly cant be ascribed as having writing inferior to this (as you have not been able to do). -
Kirk was headed to the Federation Base, because he wasn't gonna sit around wait while Earth got destroyed, what was his plan once he got there? grab a shuttle? I don't know. I just know that he wasn't about to give up and sit it out in the pod and wait for Starfleet to come get him.
Somebody has already mention that transwarp beaming happened in TNG.
Landing on the wrong planet in WOK is fucking dumb. THE WRONG PLANET.
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Thanks for a fun film. Even the "flaws" are fun to discuss and argue about.
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The Pod tells Kirk where The Starfleet Base is, he's heading toward when he gets attacked by the local wildlife, he goes in the cave and runs into Spock Prime who was dumped here by nero for a front row ticket to Vulcan's destruction. Spock Prime knew of the base, he mentions it to Kirk, so he had already been heading there as well, and was just sitting out the storm in the cave.
Okay so why are they on the same planet? Well Spock gets dumped there cos it's within visual range of Vulcan. A Kirk because they had just left Vulcan's location when he got kicked off the ship, and it would be the closest federation base what with Vulcan not existing anymore.
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Kirk VS Gorn!
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I never said I Couldn't have come up with a Better(or in deference to my Double Cheeseburger buying pal BobOrci) DIFFERENT way of introducing Spock Prime and Scotty. I said that none of you Haters have. And I'm RIGHT.Why are you so sure that Kirk would have frozen or starved to death on Hoth Lite? (Sorry Bob) The pod landed within WALKING DISTANCE from the Starfleet Base. When the storm dies down ...don't we see Kirk... and Spock Prime...walking to it?One of the FUNNIER paradoxes of the film is: How does Spock Prime know where the base is? Some of you Haters were actually ARGUING about that. The most obvious explanation is that Nero marooned him on the closest planet with a base where he would be able to see Vulcan's destruction in the sky. Nero doesn't want Spock Prime to die. He wants him to suffer. And Revenge is a dish best served cold.I choose to believe Spock Prime knew where the base was because Young Spock knew where the base was. After all, he's the one who sent Kirk's pod there in the first place. And wouldn't a Spock from ANY universe know the location of a Starfleet base that close to his home planet?See it's not that hard to figure out. Bob and the guys left us plenty of room to put two and two together. It's fast and the camera shakes a lot and there may be a few too many lens flares but Dumb? Not by a long shot...And as for why Nero doesn't try to save "his" planet in an alternate time period in an alternate universe? To paraphrase Christopher Lloyd from BUCKAROO BANZAI; "It's NOT HIS PLANET, Monkey Boy!"
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sounds like it's treading water. How bout Cowboys and Aliens? You got the RDJ lead in of Holmes, and IM2. Is CNA gonna "Fuck Eyeballs" as they say? Give us the JettL scoops Bob.
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is up with all the goddamn negativity? Seriously people. I'm down with people having their opinions, but fuck!
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for you today, but it's bad luck to count your chickens before they hatch!
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Once again you said it more concisely. I should just stop typing and let you do my work for me.
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Bob, in your opinion, what is the funniest show on TV right now? I say It's Always Sunny.. but there are jokers over in other TB's that say Venture Bros. Weigh in. Not just these 2. You can say Bored to Death if you like.
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I don't like being negative either. But I've ALREADY SAID everything I'm saying tonight in the first Star Trek thread.And the one after that...And the one after that...No matter how many times these "flaws" or "plot holes" are explained, THEY BRING THEM UP AGAIN. As if they weren't around the first time they were discussed. Or the sixth. Or the seventh...The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Do these TROLLS really think someone somewhere will STOP liking this film if they keep complaining about red matter? Or black holes? Or ice planets? Or military promotions? I'm not angry, Daksin. A true Star Trek Fan would WANT more people to like Star Trek. In whatever form it has taken or will take. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations right?These Haters are Angry because their little Club has been opened to the Masses. You no longer need a secret handshake and a talmudic knowledge of 40 years worth of TV and movies to ENJOY a Star Trek movie. The slate has been wiped clean.THAT'S what they really hate. NOT the movie. And all of them are too chickenshit to FACE that, much less ADMIT it.
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Please, can we stop talking about Firefly. It was horrible. Everyone was bitchy on that show. The science was terrible. Every planet looked like it was a backlot, and everyone cursed in Chinese. WTF?
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and I don't think you're the one being negative at all. A little pissed off, but that all good. You're calling out the assholes here. I completely agree with you.
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NONE of us like the same things. lockesbrokenleg and I both love LOST but I also love FIREFLY and he hates it900lbGorilla and I both loved FIREFLY but I like the new STAR TREK movie and he doesn't.joshuavance and I dig new Trek but he hates DS9 and I think it's the best overall Star Trek series since the original.And AsimovLives and I would have no trouble at all finding common ground about quite a few things but his hatred for this movie is completely beyond the pale.As for boborci, I loved STAR TREK, and enjoy FRINGE but even a free double cheeseburger wouldn't get me to stick up for Transformers 2. You're on your own there, pal. :)
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blame too much computer, TV, cellphones, Fox, a House Divided.
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Thank you for your kind words. Now pick a movie or TV show one of us hates so we can argue for an hour! Hahaha
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What's the deal with Fringe? It's kinda boring.
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I'm just saying that at the end of the day this movie does not deviate NEAR as badly as most of these twits would have you believe. Gravitas, is that your word for the day? Using big words does not make you intelligent (next time try reading the WHOLE post.) then if you want to troll some more be my guest.
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once again to Ominous, my reasoning is not directed to the casual fan. so once again, you miss the point.
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...it will NEVER END. I've countered and demolished almost every one of AssLives' arguments regarding Star Trek and other things (even proving his lies about box office and critical reception) only to have him resurface in new talkbacks spouting the same complaints and daring anyone to defy him.
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you gotta stare but sorta look through it like those 3-d spectrographs...
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Drunk yet?
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Dont you mean SW killed b-movie scifi and not really serious scifi?
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"don't forget the mainstream press! 95% positive on Rotten Tomatoes!"
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I did really like those big letters telling us where they were though. Those were cool.
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I actually thought the movie was quite entertaining. For the fans however I hope that the sequel has a slightly smarter script that will appeal to the diehards out there...
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Let's turn our gaze to the freakin GENESIS DEVICE from Star Trek II and III. Or just about 10 billion of the other silly sci-fi things that happen quite regularly on Star Trek. De-evolved into salamanders, anyone?
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technically, the Genesis Device was basically putting the idea of terraforming into a little tiny torpedo.
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It would be funny in the next one in the opening scene you have like 400 dudes armed wearing Red Shirts on a planet. They're attacked, but the guy in the yellow shirt is the only one killed.
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Thank you gentlemen, for posting thoughts that I have had but been unable to state as well as you good sirs did. Keep up the good fight!And thanks again Bob Orci, I hope it isn't too unpleasant sleeping on that big pile of money!
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...and paid for by the studios. Most of them gave rave reviews for...and of, the Charlie's Angels movies, and the Star Wars prequels. I rest my case!!! JJ Abrams' Star Trek sucks!!!!! It is poorly written, and was thrown together. It even looks cheap.
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They both love conspiracies, so they'd probably both love each other. As men. Who love conspiracies. And each other.
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Nov 16, 2009 3:02:42 AM CST
24 Trillion looted by the private Federal Reserve and counting
by spazatronik2000
Infowars.com
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because they're gay. I'm just stating facts. And Phantom Menace got 63 %
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as the producer of Transformers. Is this how Spielberg is known this days? As the producer of Transformers? I'm certain i'm not alone in finding this all too funny... not to mention extremely disrespecting.
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not just in cinema but in literature too.
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That he gets punched in the face by everybody and his grandmother. That he's an anoying malcontented ill-mannered brat. That he's arrogant without any real quality to show other then neopotism. So this is what's considered cool today, hem?
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...and the majority of critics liked, or loved, Phantom Menace and the other Star Wars prequels, which shows that you can't trust a critic. Oh, and in regard to the new Star Trek film, the far majority loved it, or liked it, as if it were the second coming of Jesus, but when you see the movie, you know instantly and internally, that they were lying their asses off!!! Far worse is to witness so-called fans of this movie...so deeply mentally brainwashed by the media hype that they often parrot the words of the critics--using descriptions like, "This isn't your father's Star Trek", and "It is this generation's Star Wars." First of all, the movie is a loose rip-off of the Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan...as was Star Trek: Nemesis...with plot holes everywhere, and time-travel continuity problems in regard to set Trek mythos. The Enterprise can time travel at will...by circulating around the sun repeatedly. We saw this on the original series, and we saw it in the other resulting TV series and movies...hence, when the planet Vulcan is blown-up (or imploded)...and millions or billons die...as well as the death of Spock's mom and Kirk's dad...older Spock and the rest of the surviving characters knew that all they had to do is go back in time...and kill Nero and his Romulan crew when they first appeared in the timeline. Vulcan would be saved, and the timeline repaired...Spock's mom lives...and Kirk's father lives. From there, older Spock could have returned to his future, and just before Romulas' sun super novas, he could have successfully arrived ahead of time...to prevent it, and completed his mission of mercy, which was to save their sun. Instead of this, however, older Spock...using no logic BTW, decides to take surviving Vulcan refugees and start Vulcan anew elsewhere on another planet??? Talk about not understanding time-travel and how it works in the science fiction realm...and or, in the Star Trek universe, which again already has pre-established rules for time travel?And let's not talk about older Spock being marooned by the villain on a moon with a star base on it...which both know about, or should have, but he, Spock, fails to walk to the base for help, or to signal a warning to anyone in star fleet or on Vulcan, knowing that the base is within less than a day's walking distance? No...instead, he waits in a cave for younger Kirk to be marooned by younger Spock, which older Spock had no pre-knowledge about, it just all turned-out to be one big wild coincidence that he waited there...for no reason, and that just happened to allow for the perfect timing for him to save younger Kirk from a giant monster? Then the two decide to trek across the moon to the star base where they just happened to run into Scotty??? Bad writing, bad writing, bad writing!!! No, this isn't your father's Star Trek...because your father's Star Trek was smart, and innovative...but I disagree strongly with the latter, no the new Star Trek isn't this generation's Star Wars, because the original Star Wars was a watershed moment in filmmaking, from storytelling, directing, production, marketing, sound design, to special effects. That was true innovation! It virtually created the blockbuster summer film...as we know it today!!! All JJ Abrams' has given us in the form of innovation...is the laughable...over-use of lens flare???
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In a previous talkback you mentioned something along the lines that J.J. Abrams thinks like a studio executive. Outside of the barrage of hostility against "Star Trek"—I'm curious, can you elaborate on that idea (hopefully without resorting to bitter resentment)? You've made some points worth discussing and although I don't agree with your sentiments about the movie, I'm interested in reading more on your opinion about Abrams.
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we live in a century where TF2 earns 800m in the box office,and people admit that actually like it.You simply can not make ignorant,simple minded buffoons to see why a movie is bad and that mindless fun is not a reason but an excuse for the flaws of the movie.
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Nov 16, 2009 4:40:41 AM CST
Herc: Can You Explain Away The Plot Holes Of This Movie...
by media messiah
...in regard to the time travel issue? Everyone who I have brought this up to...on the Talkbacks, can't explain it away. Question: Why doesn't older Spock simply travel back in time, and kill Nero and crew when they first arrive in the time line, or travel back in time before the time alteration, and then leap fowards into the future to intercept and kill Nero before he travels back in time, or why doesn't he, Spock, use this as an opportunity to save the sun of Romulas? It is huge plot hole that can't be filled, and shows a tremendous lack of understanding of the genre...and the mechanics of time travel in story. It is just lazy writing!BTW, I will point you to Stargate: Continuum, which handles this very same issue of time travel exquisitely, and on a TV movie budget, dealing with a new...and broken, time-line, and its final resolve. It really puts JJ Abrams' new...and sadly...sloppy and unimproved, Star Trek...to shame!
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JJ Abrams is pissing his pants right now.
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Purple Matter.and if u add Dark Matter u will get Dark Purple Matter.
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...you are right. I waste a lot of time trying to educate these posters. They seem to prefer junk food for the mind...over true brilliance? When I grew-up, we were spoiled with the best of everything--great movies, music, TV shows, and comics. We were smart kids, and had smart media. I forgot that this new generation, is the generation where...the crack babies have grown-up...and they like anything dumb, that they are served?
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Xena,Hercules and Transformers to understand the basic concept of time-travel and its paradoxes,and integrate it into a solid scifi story?
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after taking his meds, he finally got something right.
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but you see Terminator and Star Trek molesting the concept so much to benefit their own story agendas, those liberals who think they can do whatever they like to our universe and plots should be hanged. Star Trek is one of the few movies out there that is ballsy enough to not even hide their plot holes and instead they just let it hang out there, you know coz they are ballsy.
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because i dont wanna see anyones holes
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If you are talking about Picard, he is not going to be born for 30 or 40 years yet
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I don't think MM took any meds, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Nov 16, 2009 5:18:13 AM CST
Star Trek should be taught in schools as an example
by dioxholsterreturns
Star Trek should be mentioned in schools as an example of how to make people not get distracted by plot holes. fact is i think average people think sci fi is too ridicules anyway that it doesnt necessary have to make sense to them as long as they get to see cool looking space ships and character shouting at each other, then its all good.
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Media Masticator
got all the Trek films, this one included. Kahn is great, this is also very enjoyable. See that word? Enjoyable. When you're finished waxing your asshole, you'll learn to do the same.
Twitzaderach
per-fuckin-lease..you're actually so delusional you think you can
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it had tits and ass,humour and cool action.see the word? enjoyable
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I think that Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are using a variation on the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. A simplistic description of the idea is that parallel dimensions exist concurrently with this one. You can jump backward or forward in time/space but you would end up in a different universe. So, if Spock went back in time to kill Nero, he wouldn't return to his own universe but, to a parallel one.In fact, THE VERY ACT of traveling back in time created another version of Spock who actually DID go back to another timeline and kill Nero. The phenomena of creating a black hole would cause a 'split' in the timeline and would manufacture multiple universes. In some branches of these timelines, Spock would succeed in his attempt to rescue Romulus and in others (like the timeline of this movie) he would fail. Using that ideas (simplistically stated here, I'm no physicist or expert by any means) it would be impossible to travel 'back to your own time' because the very act of going back in time has already created a version of you that did go back in time (or forward in time) or died during the trip—basically EVERY possibility of time-travel exists and is happening simultaneously.
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anyone???
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Spock could go back in time, since the hole was still there if i remember.
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Nov 16, 2009 6:07:31 AM CST
Is the Large Hadron Collider being sabotaged from the future?
by dioxholsterreturns
there was an article talking about scientist who are in denial and have led themselves to believe that it wasnt there fault the thing crashed but that the particles from the future stopped it Terminator style.
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did you really write that god aweful post and then claim it was a plot hole? dude......
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i dont give a shit how many versions of our universe is created while we time travel, all i care about is returning to my family or home, whereever that is. Marty didnt complain when he returned to find his father looking cool, his mom looking fine, and riding a way cooler car.
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Nov 16, 2009 6:16:00 AM CST
blakindigo--if that was true then everytime you warp then
by dioxholsterreturns
you will end up in a different universe!!!! suck my dick shithole
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will i still exist?
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Bugger.
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Nov 16, 2009 6:24:26 AM CST
Blakindigo: Spock Did Not Claim That There Was A Parallel Time S
by media messiah
Again...that is not logical, if in fact there was a parallel time split, why didn't older Spock say so? In fact, no one in the movie claimed that they were going on a parallel worlds view, ala dimensional time splitting. And if this was a parallel universe that could not be altered, then why would older Spock care about the outcome of events in the new universe...whatsoever? He could have just turned back around at the beginning of the movie and went back to the future, no harm no foul. The same is true of all the past Star Trek episodes and movies involving timelines and time jumping. If the interrupted timelines don't really matter, since they created parallel dimensions, then why did Kirk, Spock, Pichard...etc., seek to repair broken timelines every time they happened in the Star Trek universe...and mythos, and why did each of the characters always argue that the timelines could, and should, be repaired, and thus, entered in on missions where they did just that, repair them...ala the original series episode "City On the Edge of Forever" ("Edith Keeler must die"...you recall that famous line?) and Star Trek: First Contact? The whole point of Cty on The Edge Of Forever was that Kirk had gone back in time where he met the love of his life...and he had to let her die to prevent mass destruction. If Edith Keeler lived, her good works would have led to a mass loss of life, not seen in the original timeline. That is the rule of time travel in Star Trek, in numerous episodes and movies...a rule that Abrams and company clumsily didn't know how to write to, or for. They just threw together the script in order to get...and cash, their voluminous checks for this movie, and along the way, delivered a piece of tripe to the public in the form of this new Trek film.See, I told you, you can't explain your way out of this one, JJ Abrams and his Transformers script writers... royally screwed-up!!!
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Nov 16, 2009 6:25:34 AM CST
Chaplins_tache--- cheer up, in another universe hes still alive
by dioxholsterreturns
having sex with your wife
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Respected critics who praise Star trek as well as my own sensory organs?
Or perhaps Trek-hater, Media Messiah, a man who's also convinced that:
1) The government is conducting top-secret Bible research at Area 51
2) The Jet Propulsion Laboratory is a "sex cult"
3) The porn industry is controlled by a "satanist cabal"
4) Steven Spielberg's niece was abducted by aliens who were scared off by the Virgin Mary
5) Venusian ambassadors have spoken at the U.N.
6) Plastic is "alive"
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...I was, and am...right! You never even tried to debate it, point for point...because you know that I am right. I am daring any of you to prove me wrong about Star Trek's set rules on time travel, because...you can't!!!
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Nov 16, 2009 6:32:58 AM CST
everytime i fuck a chick i create a parallel timeline
by dioxholsterreturns
because i entered a warmhole
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Allow me:
Because in Star trek there is both time travel and dimension hopping. Abrams' Trek is a combination of both. Spock and Nero went back in time, but also into a parallel dimension--just not one where everybody evil has beards and scars.
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...the time travel plot hole in the new Trek film--for if you could, you would have already? It is a set rule in Star Trek, that broken timelines can be repaired, so why didn't older Spock or anyone else do just that, and repair the timeline, or attempt to, or even mention it as a possibility? They have done it before...numerous times in the Trek universe, so why not here? Answer: Abrams and his writing team screwed-up...and I am calling them on it!!!
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the guy wanted to retire in this alternate reality i guess. hes like fuck it.
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I went back in time and replied BEFORE you could zing me, thus robbing you of talkback win points.
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...there is still time travel, the reason why older Spock is there, and yet, he did not mention this, parallel time dimesions...nor did he use time travel to restore the timeline if that is not true, nor did he return to his own dimension, if it is true? Even your explanation has holes like swiss cheese. And once again...if it is a new universe, why would older Spock care either way...about any of the events in the movie? Why risk his life to save any of these people? Why would he mourn the loss of Vulcan, or his mother, or fight against Nero, knowing full well, that all is well in his original dimension...one which he can return to at any given time he so chooses?
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a daytime hooker's
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1) How is it a plot hole that Old Spock chooses not to return to his own timeline/dimension?
2) Where is it explained that Old Spock in his new timeline/dimension even has the means or knowledge how to return to his exact spot of departure?
3) Why would he care about billions of innocent lives? Because he's SPOCK, you idiot.
4) Spock mentioned having faith that the universe unfolds as it must, suggesting he sees a reason for him being in his new world--perhaps to supply whatever knowledge he has to New Vulcan. It's also implied that Old Spock learns during the film that the original crew were MEANT to be together, much like Skynet's takeover of the world can be altered or postponed, but never stopped.
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...the genesis device is the weakest muggufin in the hstory of trek. a torpedo that turns a 'dead' moon into a thriving planet? sorry, but... what? but you know what? .... i still fucking love it. you really wanna talk plot holes? (and i am a rabid trek fan)
Trek 1 they travel warp speed for an hour to intercept vega. they enter it and it's already over earth.
Trek 2 as we all know checkov wasnt even on the enterprise when kahn first appeared, or was he and we just didnt see him? how about sending spocks body to genesis. how fucking rude is that? 'why didnt you bring him to vulcan' sarak asked in trek 3 - indeed. or how about the enterprise being 4000km away from Reliant when trying to make an escape. do you have any idea how far 4000km is? more like 4km.... even 40km would have been out of range. and genesis wasn't even detonated on a moon, the planet just formed... and THAT should ahve been the reason for it being unstable in trek 3.
trek 3 - oh god where do i begin? the enterprise is pulled into dock via a tractor beam, yet no one thought to use it to prevent the ship being stolen? was excelsior the only other ship in the fleet? why were no other ships dispatched to intercept and arrest them. surely a whole armada could ahve been there to eventually be the rescue that kirk and co needed at the end. trek 4 - how exactly does warping around a star send one back thru time, and how does warping the other way send you forward thru time?? and what exactly is an alien species in contact with wales, which then sends a probe to see why communication was lost - just how far away is this other species that it takes 300 years to reach earth? trek 5 - the centre of the galxy can't be reached.... yet within hours they are there! actually the less said of trek 5 the better. trek 6 - they're returning home at full impulse when they get kit with the klingon moons destruction wave.... full impulse!!!!??????? it'll take em a decade to get home. when they're not going to make it cause they're still in the alpha quadrant - doi, the alpha quadrant is the only place they have been and ever will be until the discovery of the ds9 wormhole. or Q in next gen. or the caretaker in voyager. Generation... explain to me exactly how the leave the nexus again? and why is it soran can't fly a ship in when it was the ships at the beginning which gave him his first taste before he was beamed out. First contact - the whole introduction of the queen totally undermines what the whole concept of the borg was to begin with. why would riker and geordi navigate the phenix when it was cockrans! pioneering flight. Insurrection.... 300 people? why not a whole goddamn planet of aliens?? and why did they have to relocatet them and why not just start moving people into the planet in some form of regulated 'getaway' .....? nemeis is fucked. no one can defend that piece of shit. and only one person likes it that i know of, and his name is john logan and im pretty sure he's a talkbacker here too. you want a few plot holes no one has mention about the new trek? sure, here ya go .... a ship can't go to warp while still in a solar system for risk of hitting debris. the enterprise warps from orbit. when kirk changed the kobieoshi maru, he didn't just have the klingons sheilds down so they could be fired on... he made it so it was possible to rescue the ship - in his own words! granted the novels arent cannon, but in one of them it was explained that when the klingons contacted the ship and discovered it was kirk they offered an appology cause they didnt know it was 'the great kirk' and called off their attack. and HOW EXACTLY did nero know spock would be arriving 25 years later? when they first entered they had no idea where they were or if spock was even there. my point is, gentlemen.... Trek is fucking awesome.... and your complaints are ridiculous. in the immortal words of the shat - "get a life" -
at the begining, spock was pulled into the timehole. he was then captured by nero waiting for him and then sent to the ice moon to watch his planet get destroyed. by the time young spock got the ship with the redmatter back it was thusly destroyed, creating a new timehole which destroyed the Romulan war ship due to it opening dead centre of the ship. old spock was in no position to EVER set a course back to any given time line he chose, nor would anyone in the current timeline feel the need to make any such call. you'r talking trash, man
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My point is that my plot holes are no bigger than the shitty conclusions MM and the others are jumping to because everything isn't being spelled out for them.
The problem with this whole debate is that obsessive Trek nerds have been spoiled for decades with shows and movies where every single bit of faux-scientific minutiae is explained. There has been almost no reliance on letting people accept a few things at face value in order to serve the story. I'm sorry, but dilithium crystals are as much horseshit as the Flux Capacitor and, perhaps most of all, the Genesis Device, which makes NO sense at all. but you know what? IT DOESN'T MATTER. These things serve the story, and story is king--at least among normal people. Trek nerds want every goddamn thing spoonfed to them of they say it doesn't exist or is "impossible". However, what none of them will admit is that they LOVE Trek '09 because it provides them with what they mistakenly believe is an opportunity to impress people with their mad science skillz, poking holes which they believe the screenwriters tried to slip past them and which most people are too dumb to perceive.
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jesus christ guys we are talking about JJ's ST here,not movies which were made 10 years ago.And you know what,why dont you talk about that terrible Nemesis movie? fans bashed it because the movie had major problems,although as mindless fun goes it was fine.(it even became a hit in the dvd market).
why the fans should be right only when they criticize the flaws of Nemesis but not when they cricize JJs ST? why there shouldnt be any merit to their opinions then? did they suddenly became pathetic losers who hate the new st in order to feel better? come on now.
i rewatched several scenes yesterday from the movie,and even though i admit that as a whole is indeed an enjoyable flick,on the other hand i cant ignore its flaws and the bastardization of the franchise,not when as a viewer i require something more demanding and clever for my intellectual processes of my brain.
for me st1,st2,st6,st8 and even st5 had something more to offer to me,as a viewer,than action and coolness.did they have their flaws? yes they did,yes you can argue that they were not well-made,but ffs if you are going to use the Tu Quoque argument use it for the benefits of those movies,rather than their flaws. -
everything.we will see what status the new ST will achieve after 20 years.until then,this movie is a piece of shit.maybe a tasteful shit,but shit nevertheless.
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Going clockwise sends you back in time. Going counterclockwise brings you back. Easy peezy!
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No two ways about it.
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first off, story has to be convincing and in sci fi thats important since alot of weird shit happens and it needs to have some logical explanation or else we feel this was all done to stimulate our dicks and not our brains. like ur wife. this star trek has so many plot holes, it was sticking out in front of me in the theater---and i wasnt like "maybe im stupid and i dont get it"...no, it was like, "man, how stupid does JJ abrams think I am?????" fuck this shit
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you enjoy Nemesis but not new trek. is your name John by any chance?
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last episode was hailed as the best thing to appear on TV.
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No, I've got a full plate with DWTS and Top Chef vying for my viewing time.
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are clogging up my DVR. Charmed is the wife's thing.
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you made some valid points about the previous movie,but u also made some errors:
ST2: do you know the range of the phaser weapons? is it less than 4000km?
ST3: only the excelsior and the enterprise were in the starbase,we dont see other ships.
ST4:you do know that the stars we are looking at the sky now,are the light that was produced from these stars thousands of years ago,and not NOW.these stars might even be dead now.use this fact and consider why your 300years flaw is stupid.
the federation is in fact occupies and travels in both the alpha and the beta quadrant.the wormhole in DS9 connects the beta and the gamma quadrant.the delta quadrant belongs to the Borgs.
u also forgot a more important flaw which has to do with what the story by itself establishes: Picard could have used the nexues and travel so far back in time,that he could even save his nephew and a lot of other people.but he went back just a couple of minutes to make the things more dramatic..THATS is bad writing,and THATS what is the main problem with ST too,and not that black holes are not time portals,which is a trivia thing.
ST8: geordi and ryker were assuring that cohrans flight would be a sucess.they were escorting him,not navigating for him.i think that is pretty obvious.
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of other people,opinions which i have read here and in other forums.they are not saying that the movie is not bad,they are saying that they have enjoyed it.and indeed,its a fact that the movie went very well in the dvd market.
personally i find the movie one of the worst star trek movies ever,with no redeeming qualities at all.savvy? -
Woot Tommrow
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St2 - the enterprise is trying to escape the genesis countdown. kirk asks the time... and then asks distance from reliant to which chekov replies '4000km' to which sulu does that math and exclaims "We're not going to make it" kirk obviously can't do math - shooting a look at David who confirms it for him with a shake of his head. Trek 3 - i see lots of ships in space dock, some even flying in front of frame to give enterprise's scale. but alas, there were no other ships available?? at all?? anywhere???? You'r idea of stars is somewhat skewed. the stars we see are NOT emitting lihgt thousands of years ago - this is a common falacy. in fact, if one of those stars were to 'go out' we would see it go fairly soon after the event. Forget your 60's science. Light speed is near instantanious from the point of range it can be seen. the lag in light is more akin to the lag in sound. Beta qandrant is a tricky subject. according to Ds9 they were in the alpha qandrant and voyager always talked of returning to the alpha qandrant. but according to some charts the beta qandrant is covered by the federation. some charts show the federation is actually located in the beta qandrant. weird. according to the laws established by generations, picard and kirk NEVER EVEN LEFT the nexus As for trek8.... no it's not obvious but it doesnt matter - it's still a great film. Insurrection and nemesis ARE NOT!!
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Do people like Media Messiah NOT realize that when they insist that everything in the new Star Trek film can be FIXED or CHANGED by simply slingshotting around the sun and going back in Time,they AREN'T pointing out a plot hole?They're creating a BIGGER PLOT HOLE!If that's all you have to do to change things in Star Trek then: NOTHING MATTERS.Why doesn't the Enterprise D crew go back in time and save Tasha Yar in "Skin of Evil"?Why doesn't the Enterprise E crew go back in time and save Data in NEMESIS?Why doesn't a grief stricken Worf go back in time and save Alexander's mom or Jadzia Dax?Why doesn't Picard go back in time and save his Brother and Nephew from burning to death in GENERATIONS?They dealt with this on DS9 in "Trials and Tribble-ations" YEARS AGO! (Maybe they need to slingshot around the sun and deal with it AGAIN?) Starfleet Officers do NOT have the authority to go back in time and change things WHENEVER and HOWEVER they want. If they did, they'd NEVER stop doing it. They wouldn't have TIME for anything else. Why is the planet Vulcan more important than any random red shirt? Who decides who lives or dies?And I say this OVER and OVER and OVER again and it NEVER sinks in with you people: THIS ISN'T THEIR UNIVERSE. Nero and Spock Prime didn't just travel back in TIME. They traveled SOMEWHERE ELSE. And they CAN'T GET BACK. That's one of the reasons Nero is so PISSED OFF and NIHILISTIC. You Haters ask WHY does he sit around for 25 years doing NOTHING? Maybe he spends those 25 years trying to do something and realizes there's NOTHING he can do?Spock Prime is more LOGICAL and PHILOSOPHICAL. He finds the whole thing FASCINATING. He's going to do everything he can to help them stop Nero of course. But after that, he has a whole New Universe to explore. Different from his own. Full of NEW WORLDS he can live a NEW LIFE on. So that's what he's going to do...
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st2: sorry i thought u were talking about the scene where khan chases kirk before they enter the nebula.
but the same question is applied here too: do u know the range of the genesis explosion? unless u r David..
st3: i am pretty sure that there are only the excelsion and the enterpirse.the other ships are small pods,not big spaceships with weapons and warp drives.
oh boy.so you are saying that if a star which is 2000 light years away from us,dies right NOW that we are talking,then the light of that star which we are watching right now,is going to disappear from the sky in a few seconds,after the stars diminish.correct?
so? the point is that the whole nexus thing was bad written.if you are going to use a story device as a deus-ex machina solution,then use it correctly.if Picard had the ability to prevent everything from happening from the start,then why didnt he use it? i am pretty sure guinan told him that he could leave from nexus and arrive in any point of time in the universe,she didnt tell him that he could only return back in time for 2minutes.thats bad writing.thats my point.the other things you mention are just the cherry on the pie.
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Sorry my friend but you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Light speed is 1 light year/year. This means if a star is 30,000 light years away, the light is 30,000 years old when it hits our eyes. Proxima Centauri is just under 5 light years away, so it has the "youngest" photons hitting Earth at just under five years old. Distant galaxies, which appear as a single star to the naked eye, are being observed via photons that have been moving through space for MILLIONS of years in some cases.
Then you wave your hands some more and say "it's like sound"... uh, yeah.. it IS like sound in that it takes time for the energy to travel across the intervening space between the object being observed and our sensory organs. The speed of light is a few million times faster than the speed of sound, and the distances to the planets are several billion/trillion+ times larger than any distances under which you'll ever observe the lag in sound (because you'll need to be inside an atmosphere to observe the lag in sound).
Anyhow, in my eyes, you just lost all credibility vis-a-vis sci-fi, since you obviousy don't know the first fucking thing about science. -
the universe has changed its laws since then.how did u miss it?
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Nov 16, 2009 9:02:43 AM CST
cymbalta4thedevil----- Starfleet believe its ethically wrong to
by dioxholsterreturns
what if Starfleet believe its ethically wrong to change timeline, since it does result in lives lost somewhat.
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I said "distances to the planets" I meant "distances to the stars" although you can observe lightspeed lagtime between the earth and the sun itself.. eight minutes worth.
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That's why so many fans are up in arms about Scotty being able to transport onto a ship that had been warping away from him. Warp levels are logarithmic multiples of light speed. So if they were going warp 5, that's a million times faster than the speed of light. Given the urgent circumstances, they were going faster than that. So that ship was REALLY fuckin far away when Scotty transported aboard. Kinda makes the whole idea of spaceships pointless (as a means of transportation at least).
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if you go way way back in time to change things, you might end up not existing------ you might actually die, because then you couldve altered your destiny and made it worse for yourself or even the world. like going back in time to save the world from a terrorist attack only to go back to the future finding everyone in the world dead.---get it?
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In Star Trek they have technology that lets them zip around at millions of times the speed of light. Yet, without wormholes and other "supernatural" means (like Q in TNG), the Federation in Star Trek has never explored beyond the local quadrant of our own galaxy. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies! And the space between galaxies makes the space within galaxies look small! It boggles the fucking mind to consider it!
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Nov 16, 2009 9:18:10 AM CST
spaceships, transports, stargates all have to have their limitat
by dioxholsterreturns
or else they might conflict with each other
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they travel between galaxies, they made the universe look really small man.
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I guess you guys never read those quotes from Ronald D Moore I posted in another Star Trek Talkback?Star Trek writers don't know ANYTHING about science. They call it "Tech" and they leave holes in the script for the science advisors to plug big words in. The whole thing is technobabble to move the plots along.When Moore was writing TNG he would have Data say "Captain, that 'Tech' is preventing us from 'Tech-ing'." And Picard would say "Geordi can you 'Tech' the 'Tech'?" And Geordi would say "Well if we bypass this 'Tech'and run the 'Tech' through the 'Tech' on full 'Tech' I should be able to 'Tech' us out in time. And Picard would say "Make it So."As long as it sounds plausible to science nerds like you guys, you think you're watching science fiction. NONE OF IT EXISTS. They could have Geordi say "Well if I bypass this Bullshit and run the Horseshit through the Crapometer on full Feces I should be able to Turd us out in time." And it would be about as scientifically valid as it is now.Oh and when you guys have been to Proxima Centauri and back, let me know. Until then you're just trusting someone else's calculations.
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when I'm fapping for Minka Kelly.
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AssimovLives as Hannibal, Dioxholster as BA, lockesbrokenleg as Face and Media Messiah as Mad Dog Murdoch, Harry make it happen!!
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Nov 16, 2009 9:35:35 AM CST
cymbalta4thedevil---- sci fi isnt just about technobabble
by dioxholsterreturns
its the circumstances the characters are in that makes it sci fi, the tech they use and their means of finding solutions. all not being far-fetched, science has opened a window full of possibilities, im not sure if anything is ever impossible in our realty, only hindrance there is our slow progression and our learning minds.
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Moore's quotes?
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we say FTL but we know there are exotic particles around that could be useful. tachyons come to mind. isnt hyperspace made up of that?
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Nov 16, 2009 9:41:38 AM CST
"just how far away...that it takes 300 years to reach earth? "
by burnhollywood
At 36,000 mph, New Horizons is one of the fastest man-made objects ever built (the Helios probe is reputedly faster), but would still take 80,000 years to make it to Sol's closest neighbor, Proxima Centauri...but it's not heading in that direction, anyway. If the ST4 race doesn't use warp, it's not hard to believe that they'd take 300 years to reach Earth.
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It was on syfy.com Let me go look...
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I can't even see where your comment connects to mine. I have seen the interview clips with Ron Moore which you mention. Doesn't have a fuicking thing to do with the size of the universe man.
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They remain with normal space, but inside a "warp bubble" which has highly compressed spacetime behind the ship, and uncompressed spacetime in frotn of it. The difference in compression propels the warp bubble across spacetime, while the ship inside is effectively standing still.
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I think i know a thing or two with regards to science. im well versed in the science of old and i have a pretty good understanding of some fairly new 'underground' science which is trying to wash away the crap of yesteryear. that said, I'm well aware of my limitations and my lack of understandings in a lot of areas.... but the fact is, that any given star which we can now see with the naked eye, is NOT light from 30,000 years in the past. look at it this way, if a star were to spring into life, boom - a star is born, then imagine you shooting away from the star so fast that is becomes a dot, just out of range -- THAT my friend, is the speed of light. you can't out run it. So if any star, within the vision of our unaided eye, were to suddenly extinguish, be sure as hell that shortly there after we would see that star go out. Now, if we're talking hubble deep field, well guess what, all those fantastic nebulas and galxies and colours and stuff.... not real - photographic illusion. oh sure the elements are there for such images to be created, but these images are filtered, captured over multiple exposures, even (surprise) enhanced for your viewing pleasure. We can't look into the past. that is the most ridiculous science fiction (hole) that american science has ever laid on us. tho, it is true to an extended understanding.... but totally false to the way it's sold to us in school and trashy trend mags. thanks...
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Seriously, what does the writers' lack of concern with the specifics of the technology in a given dramatic scenario have to do with the laws of physics as an overarching structure? I'll tell you what: NOTHING AT ALL.
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sheer size and scope negates this equation
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in Yahoo Search and the links come right up. There's a video on hulu.com and an article on syfy.com
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...for light from the Sun to reach Earth.
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FTL, hyperspace, jump-drive, wormhole drive -----all are based on the same principle but Warp is just Warp.
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theoretically, if one was to travel back in time, you could do anything, and i mean anything - even kill your earlier self and you would be perfectly fine in your current form. Tho, I do love Back to the future's time travel scenario from a purely theatrical perspective.
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you actually believe your own bullshit. i applaud your stupidity well done.
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Can see why Pine got Kirk. He plays him in that movie, too.
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You're just wrong. The light from a star 30,000 light years away takes 30,000 years to get to us, BY DEFINITION. "Light year"... it's in the fucking word you idiot.
Second: Hubble Deep Field is VISIBLE LIGHT. Not photographic trickery. Sure there are lots of space images from other sources which are actually colorized gatherings of non-visible spectra. But not Hubble Deep Field. That's light we could see with our eyes, if our eyes could gather that many photons. Stop being such an ignorant cunt.
A LOT of the "stars" in the sky are actually galaxies. There are no galaxies closer than about 75,000 light years. So any light hitting your eyes from another galaxy is AT LEAST 75,000 years old. Go ahead and dispute this by saying "that's old science, the new stuff says different". You pretentious twat. -
Nov 16, 2009 10:06:23 AM CST
There are particles that teleport and time travel
by dioxholsterreturns
if we could get these particles to interact with other molecules, then we can achieve time travel, but it would have to be facilitated.
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I know it's a fun term to throw about--especially in a Trek talkback (at least twice) since it sounds like Klingon, but here's what most new users of the phrase don't seem to understand:
Identifying its use does NOT mean it automatically has no value.
When someone like AssLives screeches endlessly in hijacked talkbacks about how STUPID the science is in Trek '09, thus meaning the film is SHIT, while claiming that its progenitors held some kind of higher standard, it's HIS argument that loses any kind of weight it may have had. Why should anybody take his arguments seriously when he's willing to overlook dilithium crystals, the Genesis Device and the entire goddamn Spock's Brain episode? It's a lopsided and utterly untenable position. Sure, one can debate whether the science in Trek '09 is bogus or not, but using that as a measure of its quality while giving everything else in the Trek universe a free pass is disingenuous bullshit. It's like saying Ewoks: The Battle For Endor is shit because the Force is unrealistic while giving The Empire Strikes Back a free get-out-of-nerd-jail card.
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you call me dilusional then post THAT?
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if most of these stars are galaxies then what happened to all those stars next to us! wheres our family?
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don't twist my words. i was very clear what i said.
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Nov 16, 2009 10:13:55 AM CST
my uncle told me he had a gift; he could see teleporting particl
by dioxholsterreturns
my uncle said he had a gift; he could see teleporting particles with his naked eyes, i swear. he believed that. what if that was true? of course he ended up in the crazy house but still.
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the concept of galaxies is wrong. study images, or better yet, download google sky and it becomes apparent that galaxies are NOT huge spirals beyond our own. see this is what I'm talking about. ALL our teachings are wrong. from the same minds who give us images of planets interiors thru diagrame cutaways which show layers and cores. no one knows shit, man.... the furthest anyone has ever drilled is 12km - the russians
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its sci fi but not really. so yes it gets a free pass.
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again, are you some messiah know-it-all person with gigantic telescopes and exploration ships? no. guess what people who claimed that stuff got these things. so im guessing your just rambling.
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Lockes...Sorry you do not like my occasional stories, I'll shorten them just for you my friend.Herc...Dude...no offense, and thanks for your kind words...I have been on this site since before TPM so ya know I am not the casual basher...but Fuck man.Someone above said we'd "Hate" the Godfather movies. WRONG...just fucking WRONG...you obviously do not yet understand us.Bob...my favorite script puncher, sorry I missed ya...but I'm getting ready for a week down on the Mex-Riv and wasn't around yesterday. Hey...I leave outta San Diego...let me know if ya want me to drop by on my way down and help out with that script, I have a few ideas on how to get Rachel Nichols back into the series without resorting to Slapstick humor, teleporting alien midgets or hole ridden Time Travel plot devices. Ring me up Bro-ham...we'll get some Zankou..I'll buy.
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of you're schizophrenic. Bravo either way, you crazy fuck. Although I have always questioned how we could know the makeup of our planet's interior.
It's funny to think that even though the world is round, the human domain is still basically a big, flat, 2 dimensional plane. There's a lot of space to go around, underneath us, and above us. So just get the fuck out of my face, k? -
Bender just can't help himself, can he? He's as big a fucktard as his buddy, Media Messiah. This is a guy who--seriously--believes the Earth is housing a forming star at its core, that Venus is a lush jungle planet, the Moon landings were faked and that David Icke is "on to something".
I once asked Bender to provide a link, one single link, to back up his retarded claims. His response? It's science "so new" that it "doesn't exist on the internet yet". That's how cutting edge BendersShinyAss is.
Here's one of my favorite BendersShinyAss quotes:
"venus is just like earth. believe it. and the moon has an atmosphere and forests... you want pics? hey guess what... type the right words into google image search and at the right size and you can find all sorts of cool shit." (http://tinyurl.com/yjtr8l3)
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because they felt disgusted with the level of group-thinking that goes around here. Many of them post now at Vern's site. I'm not as harsh about the AICN posters as this guys are, but there's times when it gives me pause. And the way so many in here are so appologetic and mindless in their acceptance of this extremely deeply flawed movie as Jar Jar Abrams's STINO doe smake me think if there might be a point to their complains after all. i never seen before at AICN such an extreme case of group thinking then i found for the STINO appologetic group.
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Now that's what i call sad news.
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you the guy who hangs from hooks?
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Nov 16, 2009 10:47:43 AM CST
Sometimes, the people who post at AICN make me fear for humanity
by mr. nice gaius
In the words of Captain Sulu:"Shields!!!"
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...hoiw you couldn't help but chime in... seriously, are you helping me or mocking me? you know... i actually know nothing about this venusian united nations thing you tell me i believe in. ive even googled it - can't find a god damn thing. as for the planets interior - there's several theories i subscribe to.... a ball of magma (puss) it aint!
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When doc Paz arrives.... all his cronies do to??
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....often as new headlines start to stream in. (the mind doth boggle)
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Why does it only qualify as "group think" when it involves a movie you don't like?
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Take a wild guess.
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Yeah, that's usually what drives traffic to this site. Duh! Unfortunately, the current slate of news/stories blows. So, I thought I would chime in here because the insanity appears to be particularly fresh this morning.
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understand everytime you repeat, adnausiam, you are 'putting it out there' ....
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I listened to the Jar Jar Abrams/Bob Porci/Klutzman and some other dudes in the STINO DVD audio comentary, and i have to say, now i have even less respect for those assclownsd then i used to. And i had very little before that. This clowns BOAST how little they know of Star Trek. And they are always pointuing out the scenes and sequences which they took and were inspired by STAR WARS. They don't even bother to disguise it! It's funny to see Abrams say that Kirk's apple munching in the Kobiashi Maru scene is not a reference to Wrath Of Khan (thus negating all those who saw in it a reference) but because they thouhg that Kirk eating an appel in that scene made him, in Abram's works", "more of a a smart ass". i also love when Abrams tells that when he asked the composer what the lyrics of epic choral music used for the climax of the movie said, (when Nero's ship is destroyed), the composer said they words of said lyrics were the names of the pet dogs he had all his life.Listening to that audio comentary was a mind boggling experience. It was also enlightining. God knows how low an opinion i had of those assclowns responsible for the movie, but now it's even lower. This guys, what a bunch! If ever there was a collection of guys who were the wrong stuff for a movie project, this is it. All the ycare is Star Wars, they don't give a shit about Star Trek, and are proud of it. It's hystericla to see them make big fuzz and issues about the smallest of uninteresting details (like perserving the sympathy for kirk's mother whihc is only seen in ONE SINGLE SCENE), while they even confess know little to nothing about the big fundamental things about Star Trek. What irritates me the most is how carefree they are about admiting as such, as if they couldn't give a shit. I think it's one thing to not feel boggled down by the weight of the preceding mythology, like how Nolan did for his Batman movie. But the attitude that Abrams and Co. demonstrate in the comentary is one of complete desinterest. And this guys are getting praised? For what exactly? For not giving a fuck? Is this the type of filmmakers we should be rewarding now?
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So, you've watched the movie that you hate with every fiber of your being...AGAIN?!?!WTF???
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"Why does it only qualify as "group think" when it involves a movie you don't like?"Says who? There was group-thinking too for The Dark Knight. And i love TDK. But thankfully for that case, it was for a really good movie. It's still unexcusable, but at least people were responsding in mass for a truly good movie. What's sad is that people repeate the same thing about a movie. But for STINO, the case is particulary bad. Because the praise matches in no way what the movie really is. Even the people who adore the movie make poor reasons for it's ppraising, and most of them is just repetition of studff said by reviewers and from Paramount's own marketing department. It's sad. And very wierd. It's like watching something out of THE VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED.
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...that is utter bullshit. You forgive the "group think" that surrounds TDK because of your love for it despite some very worthwhile criticisms that have been voiced on this very site. You REALLY seem to have a problem with judging people based upon your subjective tastes. You need to move beyond this and the circular STAR TREK crusade you have set upon yourself.
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That's right, Bender. The more people see what a complete lunatic you are, the better.
Oh, and I love your way of poo-pooing the idea of the speed of light. What you're basically saying is, "Well, the idea that light actually covers distance and that it can be measured is just too big a concept for my atrophied grapefruit of a brain to process, so I'm going to totally make some shit up which will make it easier for me to face the world each morning when I wake up."
Ladies and gentlemen, that is cutting edge SCIENCE!
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...did you say you subscribe to several different theories regarding the core of the Earth? So it's many different things at once? Is there a single one of those theories that you yourself haven't thought up while wearing a straitjacket? Links? Sources?
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I don't understand your puzzlement about me hearing a audio comentary by the filmmakers about a movie i dislike. You never had interest to know why filmmakers made a bad movie and listen their reasons form their own mouths? Really? I'm a movie geek, i have interest not just on the movie si like, but i have also INTEREST ABOUT CINEMA. Should i just had interest for the stuff i like? Isn't that a bit limited and limiting? I love cinema. What's so WTF about that? I really don't understand your puzzlement.
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I'd like to see your credentials please
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Did he buy the DVD, thus lining the pockets of his hate-gods, or did he download an illegal copy? Or does he have a friend who owns the film? Whichever thing he admits to will lead to a shitstorm if he has the balls to answer.
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You have made literally no sense whatsoever during your last ten posts or so. "Credentials"? "Hanging from hooks?"
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Nov 16, 2009 11:35:53 AM CST
IT TAKES ME 2.3 MINUTES TO POP A LOAD OVER MINKA KELLY
by bringingsexyback
I dare you to do better.
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What's worse is that AssLives has stated quite categorically that if a person likes a "stupid shit movie" like Star Trek, then he is stupid by definition.
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WATER. ON. THE. MOON.
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Drains the magic right out of the movie for me.
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One second might be a year in another galaxy. Or vice versa.
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Nov 16, 2009 11:47:28 AM CST
I HAVE ENJOYED ALL THE BIG DUMB MOVIES THIS YEAR, EXCEPT TF2
by bringingsexyback
I caught it on Netflix and there is not a shred of redeeming value to it.
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one second you spend one hour to watch them,the next second you spend one week.
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I set up 3 different queues and put it at the top of each. And I strategically mailed back 3 previous discs on Saturday morning so they would arrive at Netflix this morning, just in time to get New Trek. I will hold these discs for a couple of weeks just to make others wait and suffer the dreaded Long Wait. BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!
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My puzzlement stems from the fact that you would submit yourself to such apparent torture. Considering the amount of hate and bile you've spewed forth regarding STAR TREK, it boggles the mind that you would go back to watch it again even with the DVD commentary.But if being a "movie geek" means that you're that much of a glutton for punishment, c'est la vie.
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Exactly. And you've posed some excellent questions regarding how Asimov managed to enjoy the commentary and so forth. I'm curious to see if he will respond.
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Yeah, she is stupid hot. Jeter's resume contains enough track-record luck for 10,000 men. He should be fined.
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what a fucking asshole, loser!
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This is not your talkback.
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abrams star trek will crush avatar. trek stole avatars thunder. abrams is the new speilberg. cameron is the new lucas
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Nothing tops GI Joe.
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your not talking about girls. your tossing off to pictures of megan fox. the star of your favorite movie of all time: transformers 2, while imaging what it would be like to not be a virgin anymore.
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the mummy is and always will be a better movie than avatar.
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"study images, or better yet, download google sky and it becomes apparent that galaxies are NOT huge spirals beyond our own."
That's odd, because if you own an even half-assed telescope or decent set of binoculars, you can clearly make out the shape of the closest spiral galaxy, Andromeda. As I have. -
Kirk became a captain, RIGHT out of the academy...that NEVER happens, even in a fictional world, that just seems totally fake....! Why not just use magic next...It made trek into a chils crtoon, equal to fast food and transformers!
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And that just made it worse…
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Am I the only girl on here.??...and please stop about the comments about me sucking dick and so on. Thats just rude!
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so, your not alone Frecklesgirl
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Many male geeks engage in 'locker room talk' as a bonding ritual. Because most of their companions are male, they use metaphors that reaffirm the sexist idealization/objectification of the opposite sex—because that's safe behaviour for them among their peers. They don't mean to offend, but it's their only real 'intimate personal connection' besides the minutiae of their geek obsessions.I wouldn't take it personal.
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Nov 16, 2009 1:02:47 PM CST
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, HAVE YOU HEARD GIRLS TALK ABOUT GUYS?
by bringingsexyback
They're worse! Not that Nerd Rage knows anything about that.
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I'm sure there are, but none have been acting as blatantly obvious as you, nor been posting their Yahoo screen names. It's little surprise you'd get that sort of treatment, acting like that on a predominantly-male message board. Just giving you a heads up. If you acted like less of an airhead, you wouldn't get trounced on. Lurk moar.
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Nov 16, 2009 1:09:30 PM CST
BringingSexyBack, you never leave the house
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
now. so what would the difference be?
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the reason guys talk shit to you on this site is because most of the people who post on this site are idiots.
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CherryValance is the real deal.
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Most seem to not even be discussing why its a bad moive, but instead making 14 year old insults!..Im not an airhead, by the looks of the talk back..im one of the much smarter ones!
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idiot. nice try.
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who think that they know everything about every movie, when they actually dont know shit.
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Just some word to all those tech-geeks talking about Warp-Bubbles, Transporters, Timetravel.... none of these exist, you know? The genre is called science-FICTION. Mankind will never ever have the technical abilities to make even one of them happening. So, as stated by an other commentator it's just techno-babbel. These are no plotholes.
A plothole is (for example) when the main characters in Transformers 2 stand in front of Petra (Jordan) and watch U.S. Marines parachuteing near the Pyramids of Gizeh (Egypt). (Some 400 km straight) -
red matter ties the trek universe together. abrams has saved us all!
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Chances are you have the dubious distinction of being the first girl Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength has conversed with. Granted, it's only through the means of an internet message board/forum but it's a huge step for him.
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I have seen this movie 2 times in the theaters and loved it. I have watched it 4 times in the past few weeks. I cannot wait to purchase the Blu-Ray tomorrow.
I have no problems with the movie, in fact I really have to say I love this freaking movie.
I feel that this universe is not an alternate universe. I feel it is the same exact universe that is just fucked up now. I thnk Nero threw things out of whack.
So, does that make it an alternate universe? I think it is just changed existing. I don't think the universe with Kirk's dad alive is running side-by-side with this one.
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MNG, Doc, Media Messiah, Asimov. They come in packs.
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I don't forgive group-thinking for anything. I said so in my post about the group-thinking for TDK, i said it was still unforgiving. I duislike all type of group-thinking, evne for the good movies. most often, group-thinking is alos wrong about even the good movies. most of the times, it's people praising a good movie for the wrong reasons. I have seen that too often. On STINO's case, it's lots of people praising this bullshit for the compelte wrong reasons. And falling for it so completly. It's a real case of THE VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED. It's fucking scary!
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You are most certainly one of those fools who calls a troll to everybody you disagree with. If anything, it's you who have a huge problem and a major chip in your shoulder concerning people you disagree with. Must be terribly upsetting that people constantly call attention to the nonsense and completly lack of sense that your newly beloved movie has. Must be so fucking upsetting to try to pretend that all the neysayers tell about it has no reason to it. but be very exausting to have to turn your brain off so many times so you can still defend the undefensable. You call us whatever you want, man, but to call us "trolls" is childish. And a complete lack of understanding what the expression "troll" means. But it must be weasy to call us trolls, thus you don't have to think about it, do you? Nonsense!
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knowing him he's seen the movie 100 times already looking for "problems".
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Nov 16, 2009 2:23:14 PM CST
NERD RAGE: "RED MATTER TIES THE TREK UNIVERSE TOGETHER"
by bringingsexyback
God, shut the fuck up. You are incapable of being relevant and interesting. Stick with the Avatar comments.
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someone is always yelling at Lockesbrokenleg. Man you must have pissed in alot of peoples Cheerios.
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lockesbrokenleg is probably AICN's most annoying personality. He adds nothing to Talkback and is incapable of stringing more than two sentences together. He seems to use AICN as his own personal Twitter account which is really fucking lame considering how much time he's on the site on the number of Talkbacks he's posting in at any one time.I kinda feel sorry for the fella.
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Eh, it's just usual "I hate every book movie tv show" mentality that populates most of these websites. I really laugh at these people that can't enjoy a movie like Star Trek. You're missing out people. It's a fun movie.
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You're just jealous of me. I appreciate that.
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it doesn't know what it wants to be. Or rather, it knows what it wants to be, it wants to make a lot of money by kissing audience's ass. Namely, teen audience's ass. But itself, it doesn't know what it wants to be. So it tries to be all, have the cake and eat it too.The mvie tries to be a reboot, a re-imagining and a continuation of classic Trek. doesn0't have the courage to be an yone of those things. Thing is, if the movie's filmmakers had made up their mind about what they wanted to be, the movie would had been much better. Most of the movie's problems are born of that indecision.If the movie had been a re-imagining (i hate that expression, but whatever the fuck, there's none better for it), then at least it would had been it's own thing with it's own rules, and we either accept it or leave it. The problem would be from the viewers, not the movie. One could complain about what had been traded off, but still the movie would had been it's own beast with it's own rules.To be a reboot it would still need to be faithful to the most important basic elements of Star Trek. It's not enough to make a snide coment about some admiral's beggle or whatever the fuck was that stuff that Scotty mentions in the movie. That's window-dressing. That's mere trivia. The filmmakers were so concerned about an unimportant trivial detail, but they misunderstand the whole universe the movie is set in? Watch two sucessful reboots like Batman Begins and Casino Royale. What did they do? They returned to basics. And by basics, it means, the basic core of the idea beyind the franchises. James Bond as a ruthless cold-blooded, cold-hearted killer, and Batman as a hardcore masked vigilante driven by an unmitigated sense of loss, to and end the fight crime that is corrupting and killing the very city that gave it all to his family. STINO, however, doesn't go back to basics about what Star Trek is. Everything about the basic set up of the Trek universe is absent. It's not enough that you have this space federation, or that the ships have similiar designs. There has to be also the idea behind it, the notion of a better kind of people living inthe future, who are not like of ourselves today, but people who have evolved. The better people of tomorrow in space fighting against tyrany for englightment during cool adventures.It's not a continuation from the classic trek because simpley nothing adds up. There's now consumerism and capitalism, as seen from the two brand product placement of Budweiser and Nokia. People act like the dumbest example of today's teens. There's no atempt to go at a theme, it's all just a lot of stuff happening with no real rhyme or reason. It's using Star trek as an excuse to blowm shit up. Blowing up ships, blowing up planets, all it matters is shit blowing up. Villains and heroes who are no surrogates for any major human archetypes, they are all just a bunch of petty bores. The scenery might be gigantic, but the motivations are below petty. This is not Space Opera, this is Space Soap-Opera. Urghh! If i wanted to watch a soap opera, i would watch a rerun of fucking Dallas, not Star Trek, for christ's sakes! And where's the aliens? All i see is just sullen teen humans. Spock is now nothign mroe then another human. Where's his alien-ness? Now he's just another guy! What makes him special now? That he has pointed ears and is played by the same guy that plays Sylar? What's so special about Kirk now? That he's an obnoxious Top Gun's Maverick wannabe who goes through life thanks to neopotism and blind luck? That Uhuran won her position on Enterprise because of her boyfriend's connections? What is this nonsense? This is Star Trek? I'd call it a parody, only it's terribly unfunny.Why couldn't Jar Jar Abrams and Co just stick to one thing and then go for it, with some conviction to their hearts? Instead, we get this pou-pourri of nonsense. The mvoie as a movie makes no sense. but as a product only designed to make a quick cash grab-in, it does make sense. Thus why i say that Abrams and Orci are not really film director and writer, but in fact executives who so happen to direct and write for movies. I fear that this STINOA< movie heralds a new type of studio movie, where to have proper filmmakers is declared a thing of the past. And that geeks and critics alike will wake up too late, and by then, the harm is done.
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I don't understand people with the mentality that you can't criticize something you enjoy. I thought Star Trek was a great movie. Also thought it featured about a half-dozen of the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen in a Star Trek movie. Don't mean nothin'.
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Nov 16, 2009 2:41:27 PM CST
OKAY WHO WANTS A NICE GLASS OF CHOCOLATE ALMOND MILK?
by bringingsexyback
I'm buying.
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Your thoughts on "group think" just don't seem to make any sense. For example, movies such as THE GODFATHER, COOL HAND LUKE, PLATOON, and SWINGERS are considered classics by an overwhelming majority of cinema fans. This majority would constitute a level of "group think". Are you saying that this is wrong? Are you saying that you can't forgive or like this because the group somehow praises these movies for the "wrong reasons"? Why would you hate the fact that so many people like certain movies?
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I wish he were. That would be holarity.
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Not bloody likely. Keep trying to ride my coat-tails though...
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You know perfectly well what i'm talking about group-thinking.
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But still, I enjoyed New Trek.
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Nov 16, 2009 2:50:25 PM CST
UHURA GOT ON THE ENTERPRISE *DESPITE* HER UNMATCHED SKILLS
by bringingsexyback
in Xenolinguistics. Spock unfairly put a glass ceiling above her head and she nicely shattered it.
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Star Trek was all over the place. A series of random coincidences thrown together in order to force an "origin" for Kirk and his crew. I din't hate the movie as passionatly as he does, but I can understand why a hard core Star Trek fan would be annoyed that JJ didn't take the characters and story more seriously.
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Dear god, the ironic-meter is in the red, captain! She just can't process huge amounts of irony like that!
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Yes, I do. But like I told you before, it's bullshit. I think that when it comes to "group think", you're trying to have it both ways = having your cake and eating it, too.
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I know you are critical of STINO. What i don't understand is why, despiste all that, you can stil claim you enjoyed it. I mean, i posts from you describing the movie's flaws which, were they about soem other movie, it would read like an indictment. and ye,t for mysterious reasons, for STINO they don't matter. STINO is the magical movie which even many of it's supporters knows it's fille dto the grills with flaws and yet it's, as if by magic, still considered "good". What would damned any other movie for STINO just doesn't matter, it can all be brushed aside and ignorared. Why? Why is that? And why for this movie only? What's the sense in this? Why this movie gets such a free pass, while other movies with far less flaws get pissed on and ridiculed? I don't really get it. Again, it's what i say about group-thinking, and why i compare the positive opinion that people have on it as if it's from a scene from THE VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED or THE INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS!
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...Asimov doesn't understand how or why people could still enjoy STAR TREK despite the number of perfectly valid criticisms that have been leveled against it.
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makes me understand how the humans in the movie INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS must have felt like being in the middle of all those alien drones.
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Eject the Irony Core!!! Do it! Engage! Make it so! Punch it!
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Nov 16, 2009 2:54:03 PM CST
I DON'T THINK EJECTING AND IGNITING THE WARP CORES WOULD PRODUCE
by bringingsexyback
sufficient force to propel the Enterprise. But fuck it was exciting.
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A "troll" is someone who is disruptive for the sake of being disruptive. Simply having a difference of opinion doesn't make the cut, although I've noted how the movie's defenders consider that to be a near-criminal act...
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Thar she blows!
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We're gonna bust that bald headed freak.
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Scotty wasn't a jokester until ST IV. This ain't canon.
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You just won't admit it to yourself. But it's a simple explanation; one that answers why the film worked despite its various flaws. In fact, it can be summed up with one word. Are ready for it? Here it is:FUN
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if you praise a movie its because you liked it. and thats your opinion and as such, cannot be wrong. same applies to bashing a movie. but its just more of the typical "your opinion differs from mine thus you're a moron" sorta thinking that's rampant around here. least it makes for funny reading at the end of day.
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Keep pounding away on that strawman. Your claim that Star Trek is some special case where people criticize it but also love it is simply false. Tons of movies are like that. In my case, Star Trek is not a unique example even out of recent movies. Transformers 2, GI Joe, Wolverine, and Terminator Salvation were pretty much all the same case for me this year. I had a lot of critiques but overall thought they were good movies. Basically when I know damn well it's a movie made for morons and children, I am able to accept the type of stupid things that would kill a smarter movie.
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...I just want to add that I believe you KNOW why people enjoyed it; you just don't UNDERSTAND why.
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As I enjoyed the new Star Trek (despite it's several flaws) also, i'll try to give you an explanation: the last Star Trek Movie installments (Insurrection, Nemesis) and the latest TV-Series (Voyager, Enterprise) set such a low standard that i considered the franchise dead and buried. When rumors started that they'll try too reboot the series i was sceptical (as the star wars prequels were such a waste of story-potential). When Abrahams got onboard i knew this will be different - the trailers delivered. And then i saw this fresh, action-packed, funny movie. I was in cinema with a good friend of mine who hates star trek (my last attempt to get him in a star trek movie was "Generations" it was a disaster!!! ), i bought him a ticket, i payed his popcorn and what can i say: he liked it! The rest of the long evening and night all bills were on him.
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unfortunately the people here are too stupid to realise the truth of your words.I was expressing my exact fears since the first announcement that JJ and orci were going to reboot the whole franchise.It was obvious since then,that they were going for a well-packaged and easily consumed product addressed at the modern,teenage audience.
But the sad thing is not that the general audience already embraces the dark future of the entertainment cinema,which is already being brought by movies like TF2 and ST.the sad thing is that there are a lot of movie fans and especially some processional movie critics, who fight with all their strengths a movie which tries to bring a different,a brighter future: AVATAR
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the new movie was heaven sent.
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Nov 16, 2009 3:05:31 PM CST
LOOKS LIKE GECKO AND I WERE SHARING THE SAME WAVELENGTHS
by bringingsexyback
Weird!
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Well thought out, concise explanation of how some of us feel. You nailed it on the head.
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I think it was just stating the obvious ;-)
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leave the movies for the idiots,just give us some serious scifi and fascinating,in a modern tvseries with a decent budget.COME ON PARAMOUNT.do you afraid to risk a new tvseries or the business model with the movies brings bigger profit than the television? well?
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Thanks for the kind words.
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is about racial harmony. so, how is it that you, a racist fuck head, enjoys star trek? i dont get it? do you yell your racist jokes at the screen when non-whites are there? like a dog who barks at dogs that he sees on the tv screen?
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No, friend, the point is that i really do not understand why people like STINO. It completly baffles me. May as i try, i can't even begin to phantom a pale ghost of an explanation that can even make the minimum amount of sense.
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Nov 16, 2009 3:18:13 PM CST
BringingSexyBack, favorite part of star trek
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
is 'red matter'. it makes perfect sense to him...
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Regarding your thoughts on AVATAR critics, look no further than CHUD's front page. Ol' Devin has got two current stories up and he doesn't hesitate to take a bitter piss all over it. (I'm sure his review has already been written.)
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at all. They constantly shove their tired ass opinions down our throats.
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You really don't understand why people enjoyed STAR TREK. There is nothing more to be said, is there?
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Well, as one of the most innovating and brilliant TV-Shows of the last decade was Abram's/Lindelof's LOST... guess what would happen... ;-)
I loved TNG when it was first aired and thought it was quite intellectual... watching it with the eyes of a 31 years old man, read a lot of classic novels an fought my way through J.J.'s Ulysses and Nietzsche's Antichrist, I can tell you one thing: TNG scratched a little bit at the bottom of philosophical and ethnical questions in its very best episodes but most of the 178 episodes were just annoyingly boring! Bring on a LOST-style Star Trek TV-Show!!! I will love it and some commentators here will go amok, i guess ;-) -
"Basically when I know damn well it's a movie made for morons and children, I am able to accept the type of stupid things that would kill a smarter movie."I can't help but find that attitude to be pretty disrespecting to all the filmmakers who bust their asses and row against currents and sell their blood and pound of flesh so they can deliver smart, intelligent, honest, proper good movies. In what i have to call, for the lack of better words, that complacency toward bad dumb movies made by filmmakers with extreme limited talent, you are in fact, in my view, rewarding mediocre filmmakers over the ones that actually make the effort to deliver the good stuff. What baffles me is this notion that we SHOULD expect dumb movies, and we should be all Ok with it. So, for some hacks they have a free pass to make dumb stupid movies. How that does look like to all those who actually make the effort to give you good movies? Why should we given for granted that soem movies are supposed to be dumb and acceptthat as if it's an unchangable law of nature? I mean, what if Nolan had decided that was the course of action for Batman? Or Martin Campbel for Casino Royale? I mean, why should we expect anything more then dumb from those two movies, right? One is a guy dressed as a bat striking fear on criminals, and another is about a super-spy playing poker and kicking ass? Why even bother to try to make them good, hem?I'm sorr,y friend, but the last thing one can say to convince me is that we should expect movies to be dumb and be OK with it because they are from this or that genre, or because they are super-budgeted blockbuster extavaganzas. Guess what, The Dark Knight is also PG-13, it was also targeted at a teen audience too, but did it dumbed it down? It's a movie about a guy dressed as a flying rodent and another as clown, for christ's sake! No, man, there's no excuses whatsoever for the type ofm dumb in display for such movies as STINO or Transformers 2 or whatever the new blockbuster shit. they are just bad dumb movies made by incompetent filmmakwers, which is the reason why they are dumb. Because they are incompetent. And thus, they are bad movies. and i'm as entertained by a bad movie as i am by driving a bad car that breakes down every 500 meters. As in, not at all. And i'm supposed to be the one wrong about this? Colour be baffled!
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"Or rather, it knows what it wants to be, it wants to make a lot of money by kissing audience's ass."
Exactly. A couple of years back, it was revealed that military recruiters described Generation Y as "narcissistic praise junkies". The depiction of Kirk in the new TREK has clearly been tailored to fit that self-aggrandizing target audience, with his original backstory of being a genocide survivor and driven Starfleet officer jettisoned in favor of an extended Coke commercial of clueless rebelliousness, jerkass fistfighting and arrogant posturing. In the end, he's promoted to captain of the Fleet's flagship not based on merit, but because his attitude is so fucking rad the plot can't do otherwise...LOL.
"To be a reboot it would still need to be faithful to the most important basic elements of Star Trek."
Dude, you nailed exactly what sucks about this show in that paragraph: unlike Bond and Batman, this reboot didn't get back to basics...it shredded those basics to ribbons, painting stock archetypes over the classic TREK characters with a roller brush. It wasn't about returning the series to its origins...it was about making the origin more marketable to the lowest common denominator, even if it meant dumbing familiar elements down until they became unrecognizable.
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No, quite the contrary, there is a lot to be said about that.
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For when "Man the harpoons" just doesn't cut it.
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Nov 16, 2009 3:37:04 PM CST
I agree— well said AsimovLives—although I disagree somewhat
by blakindigo
Your point of view is understandable. I don't agree on some points-product placement on this film is odd, although required, I think—but your view is well considered.The demographic for most 'event movies is 15-25 year olds I think. Abrams and Co. did an admirable job considering the limitations of the demographic/marketing requirements. The conditions required for a big budget feature versus alienating the hardcore Trek base have to be weighed against the profitability of the movie. What do you do? You're required to appease the fan base of the original material, yet bring something 'fresh' and 'new' to the franchise. I think what Abrams brought was humour and pace—that was his strong point, but it did get out of hand with some elements (Kirk's hands, Scotty in 'false' jeopardy).The film DID have some really effective sequences (disabling the drill/Spock's mother) and as TehCreepyThinMan has mentioned it moved at a brisk pace and was a fun ride. That isn't offensive to me.It's a fun summer movie using the trappings of Space Opera. That's okay as long as it doesn't insult my intelligence ("Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" or "G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra"). But, at the end of the day it IS a "Star Trek" Movie. And simply, "Star Trek" just isn't good SF. For early '60's TV it was okay, but compared to what was being done by the 'New Wave' SF writers in the same time period (Phillip K. Dick, J.G. Ballard, Chip Delaney, Michael Moorcock, Harlan Ellison, Ursula K. LeGuin) it was juvenile.That's okay. I appreciate "Star Trek" (2009)in the same way I appreciate ST:TOS, pure entertainment and nothing deeper.
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How so? When was the last time you had a non-white captain of the Enterprise? Did you notice they gave the shittiest ship in the fleet to an Indian? Did you know how much cock Sulu had to suck to get the Excelsior?
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Nov 16, 2009 3:40:41 PM CST
AND DON'T FORGET ADMIRAL PIKE MADE FUN OF CHEKOV'S NAME
by bringingsexyback
Racial harmony my ass LOL
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In my personal opinion a quite perfect reboot of the franchise, but I know a lot of diehard Bond Fans that really hate it, stateing that it lacks all those typicall Bond values (Martini, Women, "elegant" killing, over-the-top gadgets) so Asimovlives, if you liked Casino Royale for its achievements in getting rid of these annoying aspects and "real" fans hate it just for this.... seems, as if you're exact at the other side of the discussion compared to the discussion about Star Trek.
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Pew!!! Pew peww!!!!
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The thing is, if Abrams and his buddies wanted to make a Jackass Trek, well, i say, at least they should had the strengh of their own convictions. Which this STINO movie doen't even has. This movie is not JACKASS TREK through and through. It still wants to be attached to classic TOS, thus all this busienss of it being a branched paralel reality that was born from TOS, and withthe Old Nimoy spock as the connecting link. Which is nonsense. Becasue the movie has nothing in it about TOS, while it is not it's own thing because it wants to be connected to TOS. This movie has in it all the hallmarks of people who don't know what they are really doing, and more important, thismercenaries which are just ticking boxes in what they think is what will make the movie the most commercial product possible, to the expense of cinema. Truly, this is a movie made by comitee, only this time the executives were the ones directly making it, not seated at their chairs in a distant studio's headquarters offices reading from report sheets.It's this lack of coherence from the movie that kills it, in the end. The movie is not only a mess because sceens go one after the other with little rhyme or reason, but because it doesn't know what it wants to be to begin with. Imagine, if you will, what Nolan's Batman Begins would had looke dlike if it wanted to be a sequel or a paralel universe brach off of the Tim Burton's or Joel Shummaker's movies. How fucking stupid it would look like? But for the Abrams' movie, it's all OK! It doesn't matter! Where is the logic in that?
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Nov 16, 2009 3:45:58 PM CST
If there is any real differenc ebetween STINO and Terminator 4
by asimovlives
is the advertizment. The T4 advertizement was piss poor, and the advertizment for STINO was pretty good, very agressive. If i had to ever guess a reason why STINO is praised and beloved while everybody rightly pisses on T4, it's that. The advertizement for STINO worked, for T4 didn't.
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The logic, dickhead, is in the fact that time travel and parallel dimensions are de rigeur in the Trekverse, whereas they most certainly are not in the world of cinematic Batman.
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The nerd rage (emotion, not TB'er) at this movie is hilarious. CARRY ON.
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Bullshit. Star Trek is a well-established brand in the U.S. The international campaign was minimal yet the film racked up impressive numbers and word-of-mouth for a Star Trek film.
People. Like. This. Movie.
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Well, what Casino Royale did well was to bring Bond back to basics. Bond in that mvoei is the closest he ever was to the inicial literary version. Timothy Dalton almost got as locse in THe Living Daylights, and Brosnan had lobbied hard to do that as well for his own Bond. But eventually it was with Casino Royale that it seems the EON guys though "maybe making bond close to the novels might be a good idea". And it was. And it payed off. Casino Royale is one of this rare bond movie beasts, a movie that can live on it's own shadow and seperated from the other bond movies. Very few bond movies do that. The other that does work nearly as well is the much unjustly malinged and sadly underrated ON HER MAGESTY'S SECRET SERVICE.>br>And what Casino Royale did right, STINO did wrong.
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Real Housewives of Orange County. Then Star Trek.
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was pure bullshit, what resulted in bad mouth-to-mouth propaganda, that was the movie's problem.
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Nov 16, 2009 3:51:56 PM CST
ACTUALLY I WAS UNDERWHELMED BY THE COMMERCIALS AND TRAILERS
by bringingsexyback
The movie was better than the marketing.
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He'd kill Joel Schumacher.
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Ask most people who saw them... like geckobrothers said, the reaction to T4 was "eeehhh... it was... ok" or "ugh, that sucked", whereas Trek reaction was, "wow, that was a good time at the movies" and other positive word or mouth.
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...as us in the UK got it released today. Yes, the problems with the film are well documented, but hey, after a days work in rain drenched County Down, it certainly brought a smile to my face! Live long and prosper!!
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Nov 16, 2009 3:56:00 PM CST
Main thing I remember from Trek Trailer is that ship getting WRE
by turketron_2
From that first space battle in the movie.
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Pew!!! Pew pewww!!!!
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Nov 16, 2009 3:57:00 PM CST
And all this "the older Star Trek movies had failed" argument do
by asimovlives
I know it's de rigour today for the STINO appologists to came up with the last Star Trek: The Next Generation movies as proof of the decline of Star Trek and to justify the so-called "rejuvenation" that STINO suppusedly brough. Well, let me just say that i find it terribly unfair that you guys are using THE NEXT GENERATION movies to use as comparison for a movie that is a reboot/re-imagining/retread/whateverthefuck for TOS. Becasue, if memory serves me, STINO is based on TOS. Not TNG. So, why don't you guys ise, instead as argument, that STINO rejuvenated TOS. Well, let us say, how well STINO compares to the TOS movies, like, say, Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country. Hell, why don't you actually have the strengh of your convictions and claim that STINO reinvigorates TOS better then Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan? C'mon, do it! Don't go for easy pickings that's even about the wrong series, go for the TOS movies. That's what STINO should be compared to, not to TNG movies!
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Bald Captains are the boss.
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look at the structure of the film. It does satisfy a handful of the requirements of TOS by giving the veneer of the familiar in new circumstances. It is obviously a parallel universe, redesigned and tweaked for a more 'sophisticated' (I know you'll have a field day with that word) audience. By using the elements of soap opera, it gains points by doing what those melodramas do best: it emphasizes the interrelationships of the characters OVER the techno-jargon. That is a tactical move to position the audience to care emotionally. Possibly they 'failed', but judging by the staggering response of the audience the limited success Abrams and Co. have, 'could' steer them in the right direction.
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Imagine the smile you would get from a REALLY good movie.
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PLEASE
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I share your opinion about Casino and that this is the "real" Bond, as it was invented. But lots of people love especially the Roger Moore movies and define Bond through this movies.
In Star Trek's case a lot of people define the Franchise by the TNG "we are all friends, let's talk it out" mentality and its tech-babbel.. in TOS Kirk used his fists and seduced some alien women in every second episode, so i think Star Trek 2009 is really near the original in a lot of points. -
Nov 16, 2009 4:00:36 PM CST
IMAGINE THE SMILE YOU WOULD GET FROM SEX WITH ZOOEY DESCHANEL
by bringingsexyback
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2seAJsrtIbQ
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please change 'sophisticated' audience to contemporary. I'm so thankful for this edit button on AICN—oh, wait—!
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...is now admitting his limitations--specifically the fact that he's "fun-challenged".
Take a movie like The Beastmaster. Or The Sword And The Sorcerer--or even Deep Rising. I, and pretty much everyone else here who has seen those flicks, could probably spend all day listing their faults and flaws. I'm also pretty sure that a good percentage of those people who listed those faults would call those movies "fun" or "enjoyable."
This equation is something which AssLives, no matter how many times it's explained to him (through metaphors, pie charts, PowerPoint presentations, etc.), simply DOES NOT GROK. He can't differentiate between a good-bad film (like Lifeforce) and a bad-bad film (like Transformers 2).
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Are you claiming that STINO is more sophisticated then TOS? In waht way should i mistake STINO for something more sophisticated? Are we talking about special effects here? I'm supposed to be in awe at the production desing that used a REAL BEER BREWRY for the engine room and made the enterprise bridge look like the foyer of a herbal medicine mall?And the melodrama didn't made the movie more dramatic, it made it LESS DRAMATIC. Why even bother to try to make real drama out of a SF scenario if one can just recycle from any given soap opera show? That damn drama that TOS used to have, it stands in the way to the useless overlong CGI action scene! We cannpt go by that, the audiences don't like that shit! Oh wait, they do, they rewarded TDK with the type of box office results that STINO could only dream!Melodrama is the stuff that incompetents come up with in lieu of a story. Real storytellers tell drama. Even to make SF you need to be a pretty damn good dramatists. In fac,t you need to be one hell of a good dramatist to make good SF. Abrams and Co. are not good dramatists. You want to see REAL GOOD DRAMA in a SF movie? Watch MOON. That's how you do it. That's how Star Trek used to do it, back in it's TOS days. But not anymore in under the new management.
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But anyone who praises Eric Bana in this movie has got to be huffing glue of JJ Abrams cock. Villains aren't just supposed to show up when you need a break at introducing he main characters. And the main characters shouldn't become friends because Leonard Nimoy says so. Let Kirk and Spock conflict over the next few movies if you really want this to not be your father's Star Trek.
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where you used to love to go and had a magic of it's own and got bought by some multi-chain corporation and now it looks exactly the same as every other shop under their name: Sterile, bland, depersonalized.
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Nov 16, 2009 4:16:13 PM CST
For the record: I don't think ST2009 is more sophisticated
by blakindigo
than TOS. But, I don't think it's 'less' sophisticated, if you know what I mean.
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Don't even get me started on the Kirk and spock relationship in this movie. It didn't made one lick of sense. Aparentyl for this mind giants that are Abrams and Orci and the other fellow, interpersonal drama is having two characters starting hating each other's guts, have a fist fight at the middle point, and unexpicably became friends because they shooted bad guys together. This is not character arc development, it's a Mad parody article as done by people who failed to understand the joke! Man, i can't stop laughing at this notion as found in the movie where one minute you have Spock punching the shit out of kirk with enough force to kill a bull, and then 5 minutes later they are all such good buddies they go kill some romulans together. I mean, what the fuck? In where in this universe this would make a lick of sense? Character development? Give be a break!!
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Abrams: "Let's have Spock kick the living shit out of Kirk"Orci: "Brillant! Will do, boss."
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Assimov_gives_head has a point, and if he kept his hat on nobody would see it. Pinhead ugly fucker with opinions that no body in his right mind pays attention to. Oh the position is locked beyond resolving. I'll resolve it... you are all a bunch of internet twerps with small dicks who have nothing better to do with your time than post messages about why this movie is fucked, or why this movie rocked. Your small minds and ignorant attitudes make me retch. I hope your dicks fall off and you slip on them and break your necks. Cheers
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Funny that you always use The Dark Knight as an example for intellectual storytelling in a Blockbuster, as it was Nolan's second Batman. It is definately a really good movie and it was very, very, very successfull, but 1. it is no intellectual masterpiece, it's dark, it plays the how-bad-can-you-be-and-still-claim-that-its-only-for-the-good-card, but that does't make it an authorical-masterpiece. And 2. Leadger's death had a huge impact on the awareness of the movie which resulted in brilliant critics and as a result a lot of visitors (nothing wrong with that at all).
Nolan's real reinvention of Batman started with Batman Begins which is brilliant and a very brave first step, but it wasn't a real box-office hit.
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Jump in, loverboy. We'll love you long time.Stupid cunt.
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It is less sophisticated. As in, really very dumbed down. Can you name ONE THEME from STINO? If you can, you will be naming one more theme then even Abrams and co. admited they put in their own movie. The truth is, the original Star Trek is very sophisticate,d while STINO doesn't even know what the word means. STINO is anything but sophisticated. Quite the opposite.
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There seems to be only one accepted definition of "fun" on this TB, which is something to do with running around, explosions, shouting and punching bad guys.
It evidently hasn't crossed the minds of the proponents of this bare amusement that plotting, characterization and continuity are also a big part of the "fun" of a genre flick...witness the endless debates and discussions that attend any comic book-based movie article, f'rinstance. Unfortunately for TREK, it was in this type of fun that it was most sorely lacking... -
—that reads more 'arrogant' in print and I'm not trying to be an elitist. But, if you compare a book like Delaney's 'Nova' and then contrast that with ST:TOS or ST2009, they just fail by comparison. I enjoyed TOS but, it's NOT great drama. It's solid, entertaining storytelling, nothing more. At least that's how I feel.
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totally agree on that
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A derrogatory name for a doctor or surgeon. My God. I wondered who was so moronic as to gin up some other explanation of his nickname. I still hate Abrams for putting it in there. And for a lot of other inexcusable decisions as well.
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Ohhh STINO is sooo bad, it has raped my childhood, I am a whiny little bitch, it has caused me to sit for endless hours in front of my computer, because I am a useless cunt, plus the actors were not the same as in TOS. The effects were too modern and the story actually had some action, what a wasted piece of used jet trash I am. Whine.....
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That depends on what you define as "intellectual". If you only define intellectual as in that sense of a "art-house" movie, let me say that's a pretty reductive and limited definition you have. But the thing is, TDK is a very smart and intellectual movie, and it is also a kick ass action moie. Iy's both. It's the best of both worlds. And with the added virtue of being extremely well made on all fronts. From acting to directign to scripting to photography, to sound, score, casting, sound design, special effects, you name it, it's there. A wholesome good movie. The praises that STINO gets one would believe that it could be compared to the general excelency of TDK. Can anybody with a straigh face even dare toc laim that STINO is as good as TDK? Or Batman Begins? Or Iron Man? STINO doesn't even raise enough high to smell the sole of the feets of this movies. Each of them blockbuster movies. Each of them designed to be mass entertaiment movies. Each of them made by filmmakers who really loved what they were doing. Each made by filmmakers who love and respect their material, who treated them as a previlege to be making them. Instead of this Abrams clown and his bunch of ruffians who treated Star Trek as beneath them and turned it all into a bad copy of Star Wars. For that alone the movie is fail. FOR THAT ALONE! The rest is all bonus of crappiness mounted to make a moutain of shit. And people call this fun! Who the hell understand this?
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Amen to that.
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and with some luck, Avatar coming next. And then maybe the STINO appologists might finally understand what a really good SF movie looks like.
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whine whine whine bitch bitch, scratch my balls, whine again bitch some more, ask mom if she has some pizza pockets ready, whine, type STINO sucks, pretend I am really somebody.... pathetic
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Well, you can't wait for SHINO, don't you? You must really love all this NU versions of the classics, don't you?Whenever i see this people hailing STINO and such to such high regards, makes me remind of all those who prefer the song Heroes as sang by The Wallpaper as opposed to David Bowie. Yeah, let's all love the NU stuff just because it's NU!!!Fuck that shit, man!
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I enjoyed STAR TREK and yes, I suppose you could say that I did because I found it to be "fun". (That's something I cannot say about the last 3-4 STAR TREK films.) I remember posting a mini-review here back when the movie first came out in theaters. I believe I gave it a modest 6.5 out of 10. I noted some flaws and how the tepid script relied way too much on silly conveniences to bring its characters together. Yet I still managed to enjoy it and felt that it was able to rise above my grievances thanks to the actors who gave the film its heart.Of course...I may have simply been spellbound by Zoe Saldana. Dunno.
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Anyone who watched the old Star Trek series and movies and then saw this updated version and thought the updated version was better...well, I just don't agree. But if all you have seen was this new version, please do yourselves a favor and watch the old series and the original cast in the movies. There is no comparison. The orginal actors are far better in their portrayals. These new actors truly pale in comparison. The storytelling in this new movie was weak. It truly disappointed me. And I see no reason to continue with more of these movies. They would have been better off just creating a new cast of characters to follow. It's not possible to top the original cast in terms of chemistry. TNG couldn't do it, nor could any of the subsequent shows or movies. Wrath of Khan is one of the greatest sci fi movies ever made. This new Star Trek is so weak in comparison!
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If i had the attitude you said, then i would had never liked any of the Nolan's Batman movies, or Casino Royale, would I? And yet, like them i do. How you explain that, , under your logic? You don't! I detest STINO because it's a dumb piece of shit movie, not because it's a new movie!! You appologists need to actually start to think about what the others are really saying, not what you wish we were not saying.
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The main goal of Star Trek 2009 was to introduce the new (old) crew to a broad publicum and entertain it. It has to deal with more than 5 characters. Batman Begins just focused on Bruce Wayne's background so it could be way more sophisticated.
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It0's weakness is even made more aparent because it tries to be a copy of Wrath Of Khan and steals half it's plot and copies the villain from that movie. And badly so, i might add. And the other half is stolen from Star Wars: A New Hope. And badly done, i might add.
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I am truly sorry for liking a film and enjoying the experience and having my own opinion... how dare I? I should of course agree with all the negative posters here... that way I will be loved by all. Please give me more instructions on how to think and act.
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A clip from the LG phone promo site. Similar to one shown at Avatar Day except edited down.
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Yeah, that would've been MUCH better.
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Strange: I neither considered it the best Star Trek movie (my favorite: Undiscovered Country) nor would I ever call it "one of the best science fiction movies ever". What the hell!!! Have you ever seen Alien, Aliens, 2001, Blade Runner, Solaris, Event Horizon, Sunshine....
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"The main goal of Star Trek 2009 was to introduce the new (old) crew to a broad publicum and entertain it."Doesn't cut it. They could had done it in a far more intelligent and smart way, without resorting to all this coincidence nonsense that he movie uses time and again to put all the characters together at the end. In fac,t charavterixation takes a second seat to wall to wall action. And the characterizatiosn are all wrong. Paralle universe my ass! Unless this is like a mirrir mirrir universe type of deal, but where instead of the characters being an evil version of the "normal" universe, in STINO they are their dumb juvenile version. Let me say this, if you removed the names from this characters, you would never even begin to guess who this people are. The characters from STINO are as far removed as you could get from their TOS counterparts short of a complete demilishing parody. In fact, i have seen TOS parodies which are far more respectful and accurate to the tOSc haracters and universe then thIS STINO nonsense. And i don't even need to be a FUCKING TREKKIE to see that.And don't let the fact that TDK is about a guy dressed as a bat distract you fromit's intellectual achievements. TDK is as intellectually achieved as Traffic or Fight Club. Just because it's a comic book movie doesn't automatically make it less smart. and that's the beauty of TDK. And that's the big lesson from TDK. And you know what that is? The lesson that TDK teaches is: there are no dumb genres, only dumb filmmakers.
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You people are all so much more intelligent than I, I bow down before you humbled... what other movies that I have seen should I hate? This way I can throw any of my DVDs that are substandard. Tell me oh Movie Critic Gods and I will burn those DVDs in sacrifice to your magnificance.
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what a bunch of losers... spend your time wisely my geeky friends
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I appreciate your love for TDK, it is a brilliant comic-adaption. But as I've seen it 5 times since last year I think I'm quite aware of the different themes it presents the audience and even if it's darker and more subtile than a lot of other movies, it still just scratches at the surface of problems. It never ever can compete with the deapths of Fight Club. As for Comic-Adaptions: Watchmen digs deeper as does V for Vendetta.
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And back to Star Trek 2009: in my opinion the main characters of Kirk, Spock and McCoy were very well casted and introduced to the audience. I see potential in this cast. Kirk's barfight just felt like one of his TOS "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". Spock is portrayed as an alien in a foreign society still battling with himself. TOS Spock was a grown up man with both boots on the ground - ST2009 Spock is young and still in battle - I buyed that. And I also liked Urban's McCoy - the chemistrie between him and the two other guys worked very well for me.
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but different. That's not a rationalization, but it is true to the plot. Alternate reality and changes to the continuity mean the characters are 'familiar' but they are NOT the same. So, I don't agree there AsimovLives.But you are ABSOLUTELY correct that Abrams & Co. substituted wall-to-wall action over characterization. That can be a good thing if handled better ("Minority Report," "Robocop") but for an action film disguised as a space opera it was necessary. It could have been executed with more confidence.
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it should be integral to the characterization.
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i feel sorry for you. i really do. you should probably kill yourself. you have nothing to live for :)
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all i know is avatar is going to suck balls. abrams star trek already destroyed it.
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pew pew. sad pathetic loser! pew pew! douche bag with no life! pew pew! racist, worthless, piece of shit!
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I'm not a fucking trekkie, and that's the point. I don't need to be one to see the bullshit in this movie. Just from reading about Star Trek in wikipedia for 30 minutes i could know more about it then the assclowns who were responsible for making the new Star Trek movie. And that's the point too.
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doesn't know anything about movies. Especially after the made for tv/obviously looking at scale models crap of Insurrection and Nemesis. Please.
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How can anybody claim to have their own opinion on STINO when EVERY SINGLE ONE reads the same? The irony kills me!
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The more i watch TDK, the more i love it. Happened the same way with Batman Begins. And The Prestige. This Nolan guy, he makes movies for keeps. This guy actually wants to be proud of the movies he makes. How can't i love that? And how can i not detest the opposite, as demonstrated with Jar Jar Abrams's and his STINO movie?You know what i call the height of jolly? To nickpick on the most mind-numbing unimportant little things from TDK to find flaws in it so to kick it, but at the same time to be very easy and blind on the very obvious flaws of STINO and still defend it as a "good" movie.
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Oh, yeah, because NOBODY noticed the brewry interior for the shots of the Enterprise engine room! No, that is not cheap at all!! No sir!! that's howe you make a futuristic space ship engine room look like, to look like a beer brewry. That's the way you do it!! Brewry = futuristic engine room. OF COURSE!! FUCKING BRILLANT!!Adn you know what? The special effects in STINO are n't all that. I have seen far better SFX in BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and that's a Tv show. So there!Which reminds me, Ronald D. Moore should had made the new Trek movie, not that assclown Jar Jar Abrams and his little helpers writing hacks duo of shit.
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Plain and simple. One is an entertaining action SF time-waster. The other is a fascinating crime drama.
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Thanks.And by the way, i didn't forgot your post where you asked me why i think Jar Jar Abrams is an executive first and foremost which also happens to direct movies. I have answered that in a former post, i hope you have noticed that. Just in case you think i didn't noticed your post, friend. I did.
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Well, pardon me saying this, but i can't find any thing of fun and entertaiming with suck level of dumbness as found on STINO. but i was imensely entertained with DISTRICT 9 and MOON. There's a whole level of true pure entertaiment i get from watching a smart movie like MOON or District 9 that no 1000 dumb movies like STINO put together could ever achieve. And my hopes is that THE ROAD and AVATAR will achieve something similiar, so that i can finally forget i saw so many pieces of shit SF "entertaiment" unleashed this year, of which STINO was the champion in shit.
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Seriously. It never gets old. And it, insidiously, turns the AICN FANBODY TALKBACKER rage by bringing up the Ghost of JAR JAR BINKS. Fucking hilarious. I'd type more but I'm too busy HOLDING MY SIDES WITH LAUGHTER
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No dictionary on Mother Earth recognizes the word "appologetics" as a real, human, English word.
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1.the motion picture
2.first contact
3.wrath of khan
4.undiscovered country
5.voyage home
6.search for spock
7.star trek 2009
8.insurrection
9.generations
10.final frontier
11.nemesis -
1.the motion picture
2.first contact
3.wrath of khan
4.undiscovered country
5.voyage home
6.search for spock
7.star trek 2009
8.insurrection
9.generations
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In STINO, i didn't saw Spock as an alien in foreign society, all i saw was a human with pointed years. And the new Kirk, or should ic all him NU Kirk, is an obnoxious son of a bitch who only progressed through luck and neopotism. There is nothing in NU Kirk which could even be remotly confused with the classic portait of the character. Uhuran is now a smarty mouthed know-it-all Ho from the Hood, instead of the dignified and intelligent woman she was in the show. Chekov is a bad pun for russian accent mispealings. Sulu is a cypher. Scotty is there to make me remind how funny Simon Pegg used to be in Spaced. Bones is good because half his dialogue are direct quotes from the TOS episodes. Cap. Pike is Basil Exposition. And fuck if i remember anybody else. Oh yeah, there was this retarded who was supposed to be the movie's villain, and he is dangerous not because he's smart and conniving, but because he has the biggest bomb in the block and uses it undescriminatingly and has a space tecdhnology big ass spiky ship. Oh yeah, great fucking villain! Who needs brains when one has brawl! In fact, that's the fuckign motto of this STINO: who needs brains when one has a pretty cast, and millions and millions and millions of dollars of expensive CGI used for scenes that go nowhere? As the guys in south park said about Michael Bay, "those are not ideas, they are special effects". There is not one single idea in STINO. The movie doesn't even has any idea of what it wants to be. It's a whole lot of void broken with the sound of explosions and emo whinnings from the "characters". Some might say that's sufficient to make a movie put of it. I disagree. I say you can only make a pile of shit out of that.
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Sucessful advertizement. Nothing more, nothing less. and for those you claim that Star Trek has huge recognizable brand name (while at the same time downplaying it to "justify" the movie's far inferior international box office results), so does Terminator has a huge known comodity abroad. Everybody knows The Terminator the same way they know Star Trek. So, what is different between STINO and TERMINATOR 4? Advertizement. Sucessful advertizement. Because otherwise, both are the same failure as cinema.
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i read it in a review here in aicn,i just dont remember if it was one of the site's official reviews or from a regular visitor of the site.but he mentioned exactly the same flaw: that kirk's character acted throughout the movie,as someone who was eventually going to get the captains chair because his name was written on it.and i agree with that completely.
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the rest sucked intergalactic sized sweaty space balls
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Well, I never nickpicked on things from TDK to kick it. I like the movie, but it surely isn't the best and most intelligent movie ever made in Hollywood and not even the best movie Nolan made, but we talked about this some time ago.
As for the Star Trek 2009 characters: We will see how they deliver in perhaps Star Trek 2012, I'm optimistic, you aren't - that's the difference. -
Star Trek 2009 is here forever and those actors playing the character will replace all previous incarnations. Too Bad, so sad, live with it, MCINO (Movie Critic In Name Only)
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Most STINO appologists like to use box office numbers to try to convince that STINO is this unprecedent commercial sucess of 2009. Amd the ylike to contrast it with other blockbusters that came around the same time, as proof of their validitation for their love and support for STINO. And yet, , how accurate is this? Well, STINO's box office wordlwide total is $384,953,778. Pretty good, isn't it? and for Terminator 4's so-called commercial failure, what was it's woprldwide total box offcie result? $371,352,868. Admitedly, Star Trek has the better numbers, but are they that far away and apart as to make such wild claims to a hummungous sucess for one and as commercial failure for the other? I wonder. So, where this idea that Terminator 4 is such a colossal failure and STINO is this box office killer came from? Both are shit movies that made good at the box office. Not spectacular, but good enough. So why still going on and on and on by the AICN staff about STINO's box offcie as if it had made TDK's numbers? Or Transformers 2 numbers, for that matter? Why this selective myopia?
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As a blockbuster, TDK is ONE OF THE MOST INTELLIGENT MOVIE EVER MADE. And you don't need to be shy about it. You do not get geek creed borwining points by trying to diminish it's real intelligence value. TDK is a really intelligent movie, as intelligent as a movie can be, blockbuster or not. Yes, it is that smart. Smarter then you give it credit.
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...built a new ship and returned home...or borrowed a star fleet or Vulcan ship and returned home to his own time, and or, dimension, whatever the case is? If this was a new dimension with no effect on the original one, then older Spock had no stake in the fight, either way. He should not have logically interviened in the events, or mourned anything, or anyone...as this would fit into star fleet's rule of non-interference. If the original timeline is just fine, and A-okay...older Spock should have used his knowledge toward one goal, and one goal only, and that would be to immediately get back home--but that would make this movie only 5 minutes long, wouldn't it? Again...your attempt to explain away the film's plot holes, have their own plot holes in them...like swiss cheese. Even Herc doesn't want to get in this debate...because there is no way to explain it, other than the fact tha Abrams and company screwed-up! Next!!!
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Everybody has opinions. And some can defend them, while others can only regurgitate from Paramount's marketing department.
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I'm just apathetic about proving my opinion of it.
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Nov 16, 2009 6:27:41 PM CST
you know what fucks up star trek, in general?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
time travel.
time travel is the monkey wrench that fucks up the entire star trek franchise. with time travel anything can happen at any time. then anything can change at any time. there is no such thing as 'continuity' when you have time travel as part of your mythology. that said. i still enjoy trek and the 2009 trek. -
T4 was a "Flop" because:
T3 Budget: 200M
T3 Int.-Gross: 433M
T4 Budget: 200M
T4 Int.-Gross: 371M
Star Trek 2009 wasn't a "Flop" because:
Nemesis Budget: 60M
Nemesis Int. Gross: 67M
ST2009 Budget: 150M
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It's evne worst. In the movie, Kirk gets the Enterprise the same way some kid son of a rich parent gets the keys to dad's Porsche because he did good in his sports grades. Enterprise is handled to h im like it's a reward. Since when this is the way the military operates? Even that nonsense Star Trek 4 got it right about military protocol, where despiste kirk and co saved Earth, they still go court martialed for desertion, saboutage and theft of a ship. In STINO, they get to act unaccordingly to protocol, abuse of authority, betrayal and conspiring to remove a commandng office of command (aka mutiny), sending a fellow office to certain death through maroning... the list would go on.And i don't buy that Kirk getting the Enterprise because Pike was unfitting for command due to his physical problems. In cases like this, what the military would do, and since there was no more other captains, was to demote one of the admirals to captain and make him a commander of a ship. The military do this all the time when there is lack of lower officers, the same way an officer can be boosted to a higher commanding responsabilities if the higher officer is out of commission. but the mvoei dodn't know that, doesn't care. In the end of the movie, Kirk is captain!! Two days after not even graduating from Academy. What the fuck is this bullshit? And this is a good movie? Give me a break! I have seen far more hated movies which are far more accurate then this, but this one gets the praise and love? Fuck fuck's sake!!
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I'm not afraid of outing myself as TDK-Fan, but I just saw a lot of movies that were more intelligent than it.
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...a computer rewrite, where each time you change something, the old script is saved, but you create a new one, with infinite timelines, or at least, as many as there can be, well, there is no real death. Hence, if billions on Vulcan died in a new timeline, and yet these very same people are alive, and well, in the original timeline, one negates the other. There is no logical reason for Spock to care about the new timeline because these people are alive and well in the original timeline. Whether they live, or die, in the new timeline, means nothing...as they have continued existence elsewhere, in the original timeline, and perhaps, in other split timelines...again, numbering in the infinite? If you are going to argue parallel dimensions, then, the whole movie, and its plot, negate themselves, yet again...using your own rules!!!
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I think i envy you for that. But the part of me that loves cinema can't rest that quiet while i see such unjustice done by the love this movie gets. It goes against everything i hold true and good about cinema. EVERYTHING. I wish i could be that apathetic.
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i might had not loved Moon and TDK as i do. I can't have one without the other. Flipsides of the same coin, i guess.
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are people so juvenille and immature that they have to make names to insult the movie? if you hate something then hate it but to call it names constantly like this movie or even actors or directors...wow, get over it. its making those theories that 99% of the talkbackers are 15yrs old and under seem very likely. i realize the lack of intelligence makes it hard to accept other people dont share your opinion so you attack them but to constantly name call movies or actors or directors....wow....just wow, issues galore.
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There aren't that many, and Kubrick directed half of them.
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Nov 16, 2009 6:37:32 PM CST
"unfortunately the people here are too stupid to realise the tru
by rogueleader66
Wow, fuck you asshole. We don't "see" the truth of someone's words and we are all stupid? Our opinion is not the same as yours and all the other detractors and were stupid? We're all just stupid dumb sheep? Fuck you you stupid ignorant motherfucker.
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I'm still waiting for this big convicing argument that i should mistake STINO for a good movie. Because AICN can't stop claiming it to the high heavens.
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Surely the most accurate description of every woeful moronic self serving vomit that Asshole Lives bothers the drivel on here.
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there are, and to keep the list short, just director's names: (beside Kubrick) Ridley Scott, Tom Tykwer, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, David Lynch, Darren Aronofsky, Richard Kelly... and the list goes on...
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Again, why is it that you STINO appologists are always comparing STINO to a TNG movie? why don't you compare to TOS movie? Why don't you play fair and square? STINO is supposed to be an off-shot from TOS, not TNG. Next time Jar Jar Abrams makes a Trek movie and is a rebootre-imagining/whateverthefuckhedoes but from TNG, then you cna compare to Nemesis. Until then, that's just misdirection. And playing dirty.
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I exagerate for effect, but TDK sits quite well in that company, even though it's about a guy dressed as a bat punching criminals. You do not need to feel embaraced about that, you know? It is that good, it really is.
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Cute. Then why don't you try to dazzle us with your intelligent and well thoughout posts? Marvel us all with your brillant logic as you defend the bullshit found in STINO. Put your money where your mouth is and do something about it. Or else, stop squeaking like a rat while saying nothing.
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nobody is saying you should like it, if you hated it then you did...thats your opinion and you have every right to it. but its your constant jabbing at it, insulting those who did. there's two possibilities here, either you're just trolling which is fine because i admit its fun. lol or you really just cant accept that people like something that you didn't. of course this isn't just you, many act this way here on a regular basis for many other movies or shows or books or whatever. i guess i wonder what the big deal is, if you hated it then forget about it and move on you know?
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Feel assure: I'm not embarassed, I'm a grown up man with an own opinion which differs from your opinion, that's it.
As for comparing the Box-Office Results: first of all, it would be unfair to compare films from 70s, 80s or 90s with todays movies, because the market is totally different. And secondly, if so, you also would have to compare T4 with T1 and T2 and man, this would be a blood-bath ;-) -
and was hit or miss on that front. I found some of the dialogue dreadfully dull, and the final act to be uninspired.
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Nov 16, 2009 7:09:09 PM CST
I can't even understand what kind of concept of "paralel univers
by asimovlives
there is in STINO. From, what i ahve seen from TOS and TNG, as established in the Star Trek universe science, either there is paralle universes or time travels, not both.If i recall this corectly, the way that Kirk and co. travelled to a paralle universe, in "Mirror Mirror" was due to a teleportation malfunctioning. The malfunctioned made them phase out of the normal universe and go to the evil federation universe, or some stuff like that.They travel back in time because they have this slingshot tragectory they go around a big gravitational hole combined with a certain warp speed, and they first found out about it accidentably when they tried to escape a black hole. They later used that technique at least 3 times in two later episodes and the movie THE VOYAGE HOME.But never in at least TOS they used a black hole to do any of this things. In fac,t in Star Trek, a black hole is just this object like it is in real astronomy, an object where there is no escape if you cross the event horizont. Cross it and you are crushed, not go into a different timeline or a paralle universe.In ST, paralel universes run simultenously with the protagonists normal universe. And when they time travel, they go elsewhere in time IN THEIR OWN UNIVERSE. The two do not mix.The concept of a time travel that creates a paralel universe is strange to Star Trek. It's a deliberate creation by Abrams and Co. Which is why it sts very ill for the movie to claim that it is a spin-off from classic Trek due to a parelel, universe created by time travel. That does not exist in ST, to the best of my recall.If this was to be beleived, that STINO started from a branching from TOS, then why is it that the Kelvin looks so differently from all other TOS ships? And not just cosmetic exterior hull differences, but the interiors? Nothign matches up, not even with the way the ships would look in the TOS movies, even so many years afterwards! If STINO is a branch off, and the point of departure is the events with the Kelvin, then why at the very least the Kelvin doesn't looks like it would belong to TOS? Depart afterwards if you must, later on when Kirk is an adult, but not when the timeline was branched off.Or is STINO's universe a true paralel universe, like a different version of the Federation universe like in "Mirror Mirror" only far more benevolent? And if so, then anything that Spock recalls and says happend didn't, because now he's in a completly different universe where history run differently. If the STINO's universe is different from TOS, then it emans it's a de facto RE-IMAGINING,a and thus, it renders the expediciency of time travel/paralel universe null, because it's a whole new and different universe anyway. And thus the inclusion of Old Spock is just there as a cheap commercial ploy to put old trekkie's ass on seats.The point is, no matter how i look at it, the whole way Abrams and Co. used the time travel coupled with paralel universe jumping, that stunt just doesn't work. It's like this guys wrote the script on a napkin in a hurry and never bothered to revise it.
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Just for the fun of it: T1 Budget: 6 M T1 I-Gross: 78 M T2 Budget: 102 M T2 I-Gross: 520 M .... No more words of a T4 success... pleeeeeease ;-)
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Kirk got the whole blame and not the crew,since he was their captain thus responsible for their action.and after the trial's verdict,the sentence was kirk's demotion to captain.
and it was a nice way to wrap up the whole thing and make kirk return back to his ship.the ending was your classic happy ending where they all lived happily after,but it also maintained the verisimilitude of the universe.
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Actually you can compare the box office numbers from the 70s and 80s with the 2000s. It's called ADJUSTING TO INFLACTION, and there's quite a few websites that allows you to make those calculations. So you cannot pick up on that argument to defend your STINO on box office justifications and avoid comparing it to the box office performances from the TOS movies. In fact, if you did that, you would realise that the box office results of STINO are pretty close to ST:TMP while it costed more, and it's far surpassed by the box office results from ST2 and ST4, which were far cheapper movies to produce.
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Indeed. i don't like ST4 much, to tell you the truth, but that scene at the court martial did ring very true to what a proper military procedual would be like for this guys, evne if they came out of it as heroes who saved Earth. i admit, it was quite a smart piece of writing, and it was an elegant way to "reset" things to it's classic status, so to speak.
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Tried? It IS intelligent, through and through. Sorry if you missed that. If only i could had more "flawed" blockbusters like TDK, i would be the happiest camper that would ever be.
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how exactly time travel and multiple universes are used in TOS/TNG and how STINO negates those rules completely.
one last comment.you can safely enter a black-hole,if its a super sized black-hole like the one in the center of our galaxy.but simply nobody knows what exactly happens in their inside,since the laws of nature stop to apply there.anyway. -
Back to the Future - Part 2 explains it all: Nero comes from Hill Valley 2025 where Marty's son is a looser. He travels back to Hill Valley 1955 and gives himself the Almanach but he can't travel back to 2025. By bringing the Almanach to HV 1955 he changed our well known 1985 (Marty has the black Pick-up) to the Biff Tannen Millionaire 1985. Rewatch the explanation of Doc Brown in his garage ;-)
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Hey there dude how are you doing
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in ST4,was used in the klingon trial in ST6,in order to convict Kirk for the murder of the klingon leader,although it was evident that Kirk was just the scapegoat.it somehow connected both trials in a nice ironic way.and thats clever writing imho.
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We can't keep calling this Movie STINO. I know how about Star Trek? Wasn't that it's name? Or ST 2009, but STINO that's just a stupid designatation being played up by a moronic talkbacker, along with the fucking old joke of Jar Jar Abrams. His name is J. J. Abrams. Quit your immature bullshit.
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Nov 16, 2009 7:40:49 PM CST
People will not understand how bad this movie is...
by myopiniondontmeanshit
Until it's sitting on the shelf for a few months, collecting dust after viewing it that first night of purchase. Then the question will surface, Why spend hard earn money for a Blue Ray Copy that was worth a rental at best? Let's face it, Other than the pretty visuals, Star Trek really wasn't a memorable movie.
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This movie will own the DVD sales and J. J. Abrams will continue with his reimagination of Star Trek for sequel after sequel after sequel... and your mom's Star Trek be erased from the current public's mind. It will be like the Adam West version of Batman, funny, campy, but not as revelent as Nolan's Batman version.
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As always thanks for sharing your deeply retarded opinion.
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Hahaahahahaha sit on it and spin you poor little Trek geeks, Abrams holds the reins to your universe and he will lead it where he wants.
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Asimov_gives_head what are your favourite movies of recent years. Tell me what you think qualifies as good film making, beside the Dark Knight?
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There is no God if she doesn't.
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Whine whine I wanted Kirk to talk exactly like the Shat. We... must... not ... like... the... Abrams...version... of... Star... Trek. Yes, Jim it is only logical.
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Far more human than the caricature Shatner was.
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I totally agree. Pine sounds so much more human and real. As does Scotty in ST 2009.
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I'm anxious to see what Quinto does with his interpratation of Spock in future sequels... bringing more self contained logic with his human side simmering underneath. Karl Urban was spot on in my opinion. The other's need to be fleshed out more. I'll reserve judgement till the sequel.
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Nov 16, 2009 8:23:07 PM CST
I THINK YOU WILL FIND COMMON GROUND WITH ASIMOV ON HIS FAVE MOVI
by bringingsexyback
It's just on Star Trek that he's gone off the deep end over. It's frustrating but his feud with DocPaz over it is becoming legendary.
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His few tender moments with his mother were the highlights of New Trek. Really, those scenes contributed greatly to offsetting the plotholes. If not for them, Trek would've been on par with Wolverine.
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I didn't even know it was out.
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Nov 16, 2009 8:47:11 PM CST
I AGREE THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CREW NEED TO BE FLESHED OUT
by bringingsexyback
Still, for an origin story I think Sulu, Uhura, Scotty and Chekov got some good facetime. Historically, due to the Shat's ego, it's been the Kirk, Spock and McCoy show. Fuck that. Trek is best when it's team/ensemble-oriented.
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God, movie, please end.
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Never thought I'd type that…
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Nov 16, 2009 9:04:06 PM CST
Fred disagrees that Pine was a better Kirk than Shatner
by freds_balls_in_a_mason_jar
Fred thinks that what made Shatner's Kirk a legendary figure was that he was 'larger' than life - of course he is larger than life now as well but back then he did not wear a girdle - hee hee! But Shatners Kirk was heroic and he never lost in fisticuffs (unlike Pine) - except to that big mouth-breathing lizard, but even then he won after he shot the BMBL with a homemade BB gun that shoots rocks.
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The whole boat thing? The big screens with the radar? Fucking stupid. And what was all that shit with the Asian businessmen? It was like an unused Die Hard script mixed with Heat, all with a light Batman veneer. That said, I enjoyed it.
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I thought the new ST was shockingly well cast. I went in a skeptic, but came out a believer in the actors. The script was alright but the fucking story was full of holes that didn't need to be there. I hope JJ pays a little more attention to story next time. We have had to deal with absolute drivel in the ST world after ST Borg party. ( which is one of my favorites ) ... the last two were so shockingly bad I still don't remember which one was which... The first 5 minutes of the new ST made up for that loss... I was rockin the edge of my seat and then it was left, right, bam bam... all through the movie it all seemed like it was coming together... and then the story started flailing like Wyl E. Coyote's last attempts to stay in the air after going off a cliff.
For the love of all that is holy, please make a good story for the next one JJ
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Once I read your username I didn't bother with the text.
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Has anyone else in history written so many words about something they don't like.
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AND THIS GUY DILDONUGGETS GETS FREE REIGN. NO FAIR!
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Please beam yourself of the planet fuck stick. Once again you've proven that you are just a complete waste of valuable carbon and oxygen. It's sad that your father wasted his sperm on a whiny bitch like you when he could have shot it all over your pet goat.Seriously dude...every nonsensical post about a fucking Star Trek movie just proves how little worth you have to society. Don't you have anything better to do with your life than try to convince people that a throw away summer movie is the beginning of Armageddon and that a director you're secretly dying give sloppy head too is the Anti-Christ?What do you do for a living that gives you countless hours to post in EVERY TB related to Star Trek, Abrams, Orci, etc. Part time jizz moper at a donkey show? God knows you can't have a real job or have EVER touched a woman.
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...than exist in the 2000 page health care reform bill. And people say "I" am verbose...hahahaha
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Kari Wurher MUST show her tits out of respect for the man who allowed her to have her first non-horizontal payday.
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Really? Because the engine room was filmed in the Bud brewery you say the fx are crap? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. This film easily had the best fx of any Trek, if for nothing else because of that incredible shot of the Enterprise rising out of Saturn's ring.Obviously you're a BSG fan, which is fine, but just because BSG was good doesn't mean everything should be reformatted to be just like it. I don't want Ron Moore anywhere near Trek again because he'll make it as gritty and depressing as everything else he does. That's not TOS.
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Soft kitty, warm kitty, purr purr purr.
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Nov 17, 2009 12:27:49 AM CST
Everything about Star Trek 09 sucks donkey balls
by trannyformers_apologist
The plot story theme acting dialogue action direction cinematography music CGI pacing and everything else... it's all pure shit.
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I just saw Moon for the 2nd time. An absolute masterpiece. That is what Science Fiction is supposed to be.
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why did it end it?
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Nero is pissed because the vulcans and federation and klingons "accidentally" showed up too late to evacuate romulus. Nero wanted to save the empire by preparing his home world for its future destruction. He wants every race that let him down to experience the horror and helplessness that his people did.
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What's it like going through life as a stuffy asshole?
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When Nero showed up and dropped the drill, couldn't a couple fighter jets just fly up and blast the drill? Seemed kinda retarded to me.
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I walked out of Phantom Menace instantly knowing i had been bored...if you walked out of ST saying the same you are a shitless pompous douchebag. Thats what you learn.
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Hear what the critics are saying.
"2000 pages in hardcover and on sale, cheapest doorstop you'll ever get" DocPazuzu
"I'm waiting for the animated version, with Giant Robots!!!" lockesbrokenleg
"it's all true JJ Abrams was the second shooter, I found out about this through a close connection of mine. Well we were close but we drifted apart and he became a senior exec in one of the major studios. There was a time there when asked me to write a screenplay about the truth of the assasination, but before it could come to fruition we drifted apart. Well you know these Hollywood types, too much power and they forget about their friends. If only JJ listened to me, I sent him letters, I gave him great ideas, but he ......." Mediah Messiah
"Am working with Bob to write the screenplay, looks like Shia will be playing AssimovLives and JJ will direct" JettL93
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...never has a defense, conveniently so, and thus, the Enterprise always has to come to the rescue--more convenience? And speaking of no defense, where the hell was Vulcan's defense? And why didn't the Romulans evacuate their planet, just in case Spock failed to stabilize their sun? This movie featured some of the worst writing I have ever seen???!!!
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...at least, the ones involving the Earth being attacked...Earth never seems to have a credible defense, or any defense at all, most of the time?
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...in my critiques on Abrams' Star Trek, and because you can't, you simply make silly jokes? I am right about what I said in respect to the new Star Trek...and you know it. If you wish to buy this garbage, then it is up to you. Buy it, defend it, and you'll be served-up more of the same. If you want better, you have to say so, and call people like JJ, or whomever else, on their fuck-ups. If enough of you do that, and it becomes the fan gospel, you will get a far better Trek movie the next time around...when they do a sequel.
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Remote Control was MTV's first game show...and introduced Adam Sandler, in what I thiink was his best part. He played a pushy loud mouth street tough, and neighbor of the host, a counter to Ober's straight laced nice guy persona. I'm sure they probably have a clip of the show on You Tube somewhere--look it up?
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hahahahahahahahoooooooooooooh hahahahahahahah pah pah what a fucking knee slapper....fucking hell you are one prize turkey.
You 'critiques' have never once acknowledged ANYTHING positive about the film..this is why your incessant ranting only demonstrates you idea of fun is Lars Von Trier pushing truffles up your asshole with a crucifix. Anything that doesn't adhere to your OH SO precious narrow, tedious 'intellectual' standards (repeatedly hilariously parodied by other posters) has utterly removed ANY credibility in your comments. I said from the start the film was far from perfect, but it was FUN. Star Trek was STALE, stale as your wads of blithering. You're the very reason it was stale. You suck, if you're a Trekkie you stink of dried up shit. This brand of fun is diametrically opposed to the gut churning, vomit inducing sense of pompous self importance you in your litany of delirious, time gratifying mastibatory, oxygen burning self serving rants are desperately trying to rob anyone who simply ENJOYED it..but you cant...you're NOTHING. DEAD AIR. You're a joke, and your name is an insult to the author, who at least had more than ONE good story as opposed to the same BORING DROLL FUCKHEAD script you keep regurgitating. Yeah, Asimov is DEAD, dead as a fucking doornail and you aint raisin his spirit. -
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How boring of you? You can't assail anything I said about the movie, point for point, so you resort to personal attacks? Your lack of an argument is obvious to anyone with an intellect. You seek only to deflect from the subject matter that I brought-up, the fact that the Trek film suffers from poor writing, in regard to its plotting and time-travel concept. If you can defend it, in a credible way...and explain away the plot holes, with respect to the time-travel issue, please do, or tap-out!!!
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Get used to it...the STINO-crowd have no bullets in their guns (and they know it), so they can only hide behind the nearest cactus and make rude remarks...
"Um, it's like, uh, fun and stuff, and if you don't like fun, you probably don't, uh, like girls. And you live in a basement.
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Star Trek was the best sci fi movie in awhile lets be honest here, when was the last time we seen something like this? Serenity? other than the stargate shows, we got nothing to look forward to. AVATAR doesnt count since its shit. but i must say Stargate Universe's CGI = new Star Trek's CGI so you dont need a shit load of money to make space fights look good.
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what are you talking about?
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Nov 17, 2009 5:55:35 AM CST
btw Zoe & Emily Deschanel threesome would be great
by dioxholsterreturns
i bet some lucky dude had that honor in the past, all i want is the tape if you catch my drift. i know it will never happen to me but at least i want to know what it would look like if it did. thanks for reading. sad face.
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Nov 17, 2009 5:58:30 AM CST
Stargate Universe is what new Star Trek shouldve been
by dioxholsterreturns
honestly the stargate world is much more compelling than Star Trek's.
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And Jarv is 100% right--Portugal=Landfill. LANDFILL LANDFILL LANDFILL. Think of that while yer pullin' on the back legs of yer goats this morning and watching Abrams Trek for the 33rd time in a week. Hypocrite.
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at my youtube account http://www.youtube.com/user/Dioxholster but it gotta be real and i promise i wont release it to the public.
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It's part of my daily rituals.
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Behold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpPp6vxMHio&feature=player_embedded -
...up your asshole with a crucifix."
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Most that liked the movie dont like hearing that is was basically dumbed down. That offends them.But what else do you call something that was meant to appeal to kids and adults but made not much sense in many ways? JJ basically just used the star trek NAME and made a fortune, by creating a SILLY cartoon version of something that was originally about drama, depth , and the human condition. now its just a childs fun summer movie, all glitter,no real depth.
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shes not as hot with her clothes off. Shes got a bush the size of a pineapple
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Oh, please.
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if so, any good?
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"I just saw Moon for the 2nd time. An absolute masterpiece. That is what Science Fiction is supposed to be."Indeed. But tell that to the NU Trekkies.I am in awe of Moon. Might very well be the best movie i saw all year. And i loved District 9. I saw Moon last Friday night and the movie is still in my head. Couldn't be more happy with it. This one is a real must buy DVD. True SF for those who really love the genre. Now i'm waiting for The Road and Avatar to round up the true cool SF quota.
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The best SF movie in a very long while is a toss up between District 9 and Moon. Those are real SF movies. And not shallow dumb action movies disguise as something else, in the case of STINO as Star Trek.
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Nov 17, 2009 7:17:13 AM CST
I wanna make Assimov watch this like Alex in A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
by zombieheathledger
eyes all pried open, forced to watch repeatedly in a goat hair straight jacket LOL
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... were rendered inoperative due to the influence of the Whale Probe-Thing. In Star Trek: The motion Picture, the V'Ger is so vast and powerful the defenses might as well not being there and the people throw rocks at it for the good it would do to them.In STINO, on Earth everybody is seated on their asses or running around like crazy ants doing nothing. There's this torture thing about Nero forcing Pike to confess something about Earth's defenses codes, which the dude doesn't spell out (though hombre!), and Nero attacks Earth anyway, to no ill consequences at him at all. Aparently in the STINO universe, the entire defense forces of the Federation is just the spaceships and nothing else.
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...how much chance would an 18th Century naval force have against an armed 21st Century vessel?
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=lazy exposition junkies
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I said it before and ill repeat it for you..you are sphincters of the same asshole..and for either of you to pretend to take some moral high ground when you repeatedly question the intelligence of anyone who enjoys a film only again proves how delusional the pair of you are and lacking in either judgement, self awareness or intelligence. You both make it personal, in amongst those long winded, long winding self serving pontifications that for not one millisecond discount anyones enjoyment of the film. Take you shots and stop whining like a pussy. I have not doubt you will continue windbagging on in the droll superior, nit picking tedious style. And i'll continue to kick you in your shrivelled nut sacks.
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wow the universe cant be right..it doesnt fit into the AsiAsshole.
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At least in AssLives' case it's a case of hypocrisy. He's called people who enjoy Star trek "stupid", yet makes exceptions for talkbackers who are his friends and also happen to like Star Trek.
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Nov 17, 2009 7:42:05 AM CST
Miyamoto_Musashi------ have a look at the SGU webisodes
by dioxholsterreturns
http://tinyurl.com/yjmtqqh this is one that wont spoil anything, watch it and judge. if you like it then youll love the show.
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yeh despite plot holes, and all that nit picky shit you could reduce MOST films with, including 99.9% of anything that Asshole or Media Mushead 'approve' of, it was FUN, fun fun...looked great and made you feel good about Star Trek again, instead of that woeful confused muck with 80's rock ballad theme, Enterprise. That's worth something! lens flares, lame Scotty alien sidekick...whatever..it WORKED, it had some emotional punch, never sunk to boredom like Star Wars has..thats the only defense a film needs, if you're sitting there rifling through the Star Trek history in your head, you're DEAD INSIDE, you're dragging a mental carcass around with you. It needed a fucking broom, it got one. If you didnt like it..move the fuck on
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see them at the official site:
http://stargate.mgm.com/
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...people who don´t post often enough to get annoyed by/realize what an over-opinionated idiot he is.
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You've turned yourself into a caricature. Stop it, mate. Just stop it.I also liked Star Trek, Moon & D9. How does that fit?
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no one wanted to go with me to see them
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"Lars Von Trier pushing truffles up your asshole with a crucifix..."That made me howl!
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Star Trek discussion, SF movies, Zooey Deschanel, SGU ---- all this makes my dick hard
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where we talk back to each other.
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while Emily Deschanel sucks my cock hard.
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Why would Old Spock care about billions of potential victims of Nero's in this parallel timeline?
"Because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." -
To make it accessible to the Twilight and Harry Potter demographic. Let's face facts: There aren't enough Trekkies to make it worthwhile for J.J. to market the film to them. Yet, lazy derivative crap like Twilight and New Moon (worst cgi werwolves I've ever seen) will make a billion dollars.
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You can have Emily and I'll even throw in that stupid "sweetie" art chick from Bones for ya.
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im not i got no one now, so i take em both. its only fair. maybe ill share with Stabby idk yet.
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Remember how you had to be gay in order to be called a "fruit"? These days, however, I know more than a few gays who are way too hip to say something that cringingly corny, so I actually feel okay saying "what a fruity fucking thing to say in a Talkback!" In fact, I'm not sure someone gay ever WOULD say something that jaw droppingly hokey with a serious face. Probably another stereotype.
I guess it's a little like the SOUTH PARK "fag" effect coming in to play...most of the people I wind up calling "fag" for their noisy Harleys aren't gay, and I don't begrudge gay folks at all.
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or gentle???? or is she a volcano waiting to explode?
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More pop-eyed than a kewpie doll with a thyroid condition, and can't act for shit...every movie's the same whiny-voiced girlfriend character.
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ill kill you last
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You're so... fierce.
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http://tinyurl.com/ovh38g both of them...me...one night, thats all i ask.
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She's gonna have to quit her job when we get married to take care of all of our little half-Stabby Kewpie dolls with thyroid conditions. Oh, and she'll have to wear a burka so you don't get to look at her any more whether you find her attractive or not.
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Obviously you have not seen 500 Days. And she likes shower sex. Fact.
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Nero DID get the codes to Earth's Defenses. He says that the Centaurian Slug will latch onto Pike's Brain-stem and release a toxin that will force him to answer,when Pike still refuses to give up the codes voluntarily they shove the slug down his gob.
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i would want to show her off! or else pple would think im lieing to them!
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And don't dare rescue me.
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Nov 17, 2009 9:35:25 AM CST
Tiberius_Prime --- shut the fuck up we talking about Zooey here!
by dioxholsterreturns
get the fuck outta here!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtVh8kVZ_XM
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I don't care about what other people think. All for me and none for you or anybody else. Zooey: All Mine!!! Not stop ogling my future wife on google images.
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I don't care about what other people think. All for me and none for you or anybody else. Zooey: All Mine!!! Not stop ogling my future wife on google images.
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just imagine her eyes being cummed...imagine.
see in this pic. both of them and me in between doing the cumming:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGR7JAo3f3c&feature=channel
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KNOW THAT IM NOT GONNA FORCE YOU TO WEAR BURKAS LIKE THAT CRAZY STABBY HERE, I WANT YOU TO WEAR WHATEVER YOU LIKE YOU COULD GO OUT NAKED I DONT CARE AS LONG AS YOU SAVE YOUR BODY AND FACE FOR ME AND ME ONLY....AND BRING YOUR SISTER TO JOIN OUR "FUN NIGHTS" !!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q0-7UZCs68&feature=PlayList&p=65AB9B98D1BEDD84&index=3
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Nov 17, 2009 9:48:18 AM CST
me and BSB and Stabby seem to have similiar tastes in pussy
by dioxholsterreturns
we should form a club or something to distinguish ourselves from the rest of AICN hounds who drool over shitty pussy and dont appreciate finer pussy like Zooey
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because she is getting fitted for her burka right now. P.S. I want all non-burka images of her removed from the internet, effective immediately.
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If you wanna see it, it's gonna cost ya.
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cant get enough of her
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It's the only vag he is ever going to get anyway. I, on the other hand, will enjoy turning Zooey into my personal sex slave.
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I nearly fucking melted.
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dont deprive me!
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Nov 17, 2009 9:59:09 AM CST
SORRY BUT IF ZOOEY KNEW I SHARED IT SHE WON'T EMAIL MORE
by bringingsexyback
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Nov 17, 2009 10:01:41 AM CST
YOU WILL NEVER CATCH ZOOEY IN A TMZ-STYLE NIPPLE SLIP
by bringingsexyback
That's how class she is.
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so i should have her, shes only 8 years older than me.
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Broke a few billion hearts that did.
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in bed at the same time?????
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Minka though, is another story.
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we could use a clone machine and have 3 of her one for each one of us. its better than nothing right?
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Diox wins.
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When you can buy clones of hot women. That's awesome.
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Rockers and actresses? A little cliche, but I won't hold it against you, baby. Just call me when you come to your senses. Your burka will be waiting.
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Nov 17, 2009 10:25:48 AM CST
THIS WAS MYA AND DMITRY'S HEAVENLY WALTZ LAST NIGHT
by bringingsexyback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt8UJRvEQVU
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Her bewildering eyes will still seduce. Better throw in some shades.
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i bet Zooey watches SGU, no wait, i know she does. we are perfect for each other, problem is she doesnt know i exist and thats a problem.
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What a poor bunch of horny nerds shareing their childish sex-fantasies over the internet. Get a life guys, there are real women out on the street, you know: the human beeings you can't stand to watch in their eyes or talk one single word with. Bloody hell, I never really imagined that all those nerd clichees are so true. Thank you all three for proofing it!
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Nov 17, 2009 10:34:36 AM CST
YOU WANT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT STAR TREK INSTEAD?!?!
by bringingsexyback
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Yeah, you better should buddy, as no real woman will ever be interested in such a looser unless he puts some money out of his pocket.
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is to make your presence known to the chick.
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fuck you assfuck get out of here or else i fuck ur mother in the hole you came out of
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It's a movie site, so stick your conversations to movie related topics. If you like to talk about different sex positions... there are a lot of sites that will suite you better.
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http://shop.ebay.ca/johnvasiliou/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
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As if i could get offended by such a looser's comment.
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Nov 17, 2009 10:40:15 AM CST
WE COULD TALK ABOUT BOTH, HOW AVATAR IS GONNA FUCK ME EYEBALLS
by bringingsexyback
in 100 different positions!!!!
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Yeah, feel free to do so, since you don't seem to be capable of an adult behavior.
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Talking about the Kobayashi Maru, Jeffries tubes and Orion Slave Girls doesn't make us "loosers", but talking about girls does?! You might want to rethink your logic there.
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I give a shit about all those Nerd Star Trek talk, i'm here to talk about movies. If you're limited to ST nerd knowledge and the teenage-dreaming about fucking movie-actresses, this is your problem.
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ignore the fucker
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but not today, i gotta go now but not because of Gecko the miserable.
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im impressed ;-)
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Great movie. Very shaky, but intense performances from Zooey and JGL.
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Nov 17, 2009 10:58:20 AM CST
i still want to see Zooey in nurse costume though
by dioxholsterreturns
and all of you dont forget to see SGU this week, its really good.
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Just like the 364 other days of the year.
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Be honest, now. You know you do.
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Brief Long Shot skinny dipping Zooey nudity.
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It better not be something you just made up.
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I'll tell you something: While I went clubbing last weekend I saw a minimum of 10 women that were hotter than Miss Fox and I bet the two I talked to were also way more intelligent (but that's quite unfair as I don't know Miss Fox personally). So I guess I've no need of such projections, sorry.
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.. with a girl who makes Megan Fox look like the coked out pig that she is. This girl looked like a young Elizabeth Hasselback, but slightly taller with an ass like POW! We made small talk and I seriously considered offering to eat her pussy later. Hey, I'm getting old, what have I got to lose?
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I'll be streaming Gigantic tonight.
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Now, if you'll excuse me I have to retreat to my Mom's basement... er, I mean, my man cave and rub one out to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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I won't spoil anymore.
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Not to disparage your taste in women, but Hasselback does not even come close to belonging in a discussion of the uber loveliness that is Zooey Deschanel. Sorry, try again.
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It fits very badly. I'd like to read your reasons why you can love such different movies and how you can justify to yourself loving two intelligent movies and a very dumb one at the same time.
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... for why i should mistake STINO for good movie. so you had fun with it, who cares? There's people who call hurtingothers fun. So why the hell should i care about the fun you have? What the fuck does the fun you had with the movie has anything to do with me? I want valid, RATIONAL reasons to why i should mistake STINO for a good well made movie. Can any STINO groupie deliver some? Is that too much to ask?
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Yes MYA is the class of the show, the only problem is, is that the viewers have a say in who wins. Wouldn't it ge Great if Zooey was on next time?
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Zooey Deschanel. Do you mind?!
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I dio remmeber the slug swallowing scene and that Pike screamed his head out. what we never got was the consequences of that scene. There's not a single scene which gives any hint that Pike did broke under the influence of the slug. There's no scene where we directly realise that Nero's torture produced results and they are passing through Earth's securities like a hot knife through butter. In a whole movie where everything is hammered to the head of the audiences at least twice, this is the time the movie decides to go subtle? Yeah, right! Again, the movie fuckes up. This is the same filmmaker who decided that it was a better idea and made the movie better to cut the Nero in the Klingon prision and thus provide some reasonable reason to why Nero took 25 years until he made his move. Becasue thatnks to the cut, now we have a Nero who was seated on his ass at the same fucking place for 25 years doing nothing but waiting for spock to show up. Because that's such a brillant way to make your movie better and not ridiculous in any way. Give me a break!
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Zooey Deschannel is hot in a "put her on a pedestal and worship her" kind of way.
Elizabeth Hasselback is hot, to me, in "put her on a pedestal so you can get better access to her pussy and asshole" kind of way. The very sight of her gives me a tingle in my dick. Blonde, brown-eyed, super-fit, and flawless hygiene is my type fo sheezy.
BTW I'm not a crazy person who thinks Megan Fox is not insanely hot. She is, by all means. But Elizabeth Hasselback is more my type, given a choice between the two. And this chick in the elevator on Friday was hotter than Hasselback has ever been.
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Let me guess, you guys saw 500 DAYS OF SUMMER and are dazzled by the young lady? I would too! It's the eyes, right? (not that the rest is bad at all!)
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For me it'sm Emelie Blunt. I can't get enough of that lovely young lady. She is just too good. Gorgeaus, sexy, elegant, poised, and with the most enchanting hot english accent. Wow!
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Romola Garai is going to be Black Cat in the new Spider-Man movie.
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Nov 17, 2009 12:13:07 PM CST
Does anybody actually have fantasies about Orion Slave Girls?
by asimovlives
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But, I've had my eye on Zooey since Almost Famous. And yes, the eyes have a lot to do with it. That and the brunette bangs.
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Who was she in Almost Famous? The older sister? I remember almost nothing of that movie, other then that i fucking hated the retarded stupid fucking bitch that was the female protagonist and which i was supposed to find endearing.As for 500 DAYS OF SUMMER, it's the only rom-com made in years which i actually have any interest in watching.
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Nov 17, 2009 12:20:36 PM CST
Didactic, I just can't get past the dumb things that come out of
by stabby
Elizabeth Hasselback's mouth. But, yeah I wouldn't mind shutting her up for a while in the manner you suggest.
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And I totally agree with you about Kate Hudson's annoying character. And now I hate Hudson even more that she's dating A-Roid.
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And that just makes the concept of nailing her so hard she gets lower back problems all the more appealing.
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I can't wait to see naked Zooey. Thanks for making my dreams come true.
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I think 500 Days, though quite funny, is beyond the rom-com genre. It's just a great film, THE definitive story of young love, at least from the guy's POV. Brilliant.
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Dude, Mya won my heart with that waltz last night. I was wrong - she got 28 on that dance but 30 on the Latin. I dialed in 3 votes for her. This is a very strong semi - I was not a fan of Donny Osmond because he's so damned cheesy but I gotta give it up to him now. As for Zooey on DWTS? Fuck me I would just die if that happens!!!!
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You made me even more interested in the movie then i already was. Good job. And this guy Joseph Gordon-Hewwitt, he's going places. I'm one of those who thinks he should play The Joker in Batman 3. And the fact he's in Nolan's INCEPTION bodes well.
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An awful word to read. Lamest word ever. Only mouthbreathing basement dwellers would use it. Never use it again. Never. Ever.God, I hate that word.
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because, when I say it is a Long Shot, it is rom pretty far away. I just don't want you to have any delusions of seeing awesome Zooey nudity. You would only be disappointed.
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baseball player for the much hated New York Yankees. He is infamous for his steroid use and his womanizing including cheating on his wife with Madonna.
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I completely agree about the Deleted Prison scene, that should of gone in where the THREE YEARS LATER part plays, and then move that to after the Kobiyasha Maru, but before the hearing thingy.
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I'm actually surprised you haven;t been harping about the Prison scene more, because to me it's the biggest fault in the movie, that in the theatrical cut it's like the Villain has been sitting on his hands for 25 years.
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Good to know you at least agree with me on the bad idea that was cutting out the Klingon Prision scene. It's absense, contrary to what Abrams thinks, hurted the movie and greated a gigantic plot hole needlessly. It created more problems then it solved.As i said before, in a movie where there's absoltuly no room for subtlery and where stuff is said at least twice for the complete understanding of the audiences, they go subtle on the results of Pike's torture? Not even a snide coment from Nero or one of his crew mates? Not even a boast from Nero on a defeated Pike, tauting him? In a movie where every point is hammered down twice and trice? Strange, very strange. and also, the movie goes over-long on pretty unimportant stuff, it wastes a lot of screentime on mundane stuff, but couldn't spend 5 seconds pointing out that Earth's defenses are down? I'm sorry, but i can't help be suprised and skeptical. Should i even take this as futher proof of the movie's innumerous inconsistencies?I think it could had been made a good movie out of STINO with the basic storyline that it has. The problem is that it seems nobody who made it seem to cared to fill it in with anything else but the most amount of Star Wars references they could shove on it. I can't help but to think that if you are a filmmaker and you are in charge of making a new movie of a franchise, at the very least you should show some respect and you should take an interest to know the stuff, the history and the background. That attitude served very well for Nicholas Meyers for Star Trek 2, Richard Donner for Superman, Sam Raimi for Spider-Man, Christopher Nolan for Batman and Jon Favreu for Iron Man. But i guess Jar Jar Abrams and Bob Orci were too cool for school.
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It's easier to love people's flaws from people you know because they are people. But a movie is not a person, and their flaws cannot be compensated. A movie flaw doesn't go away because it awakes up one day in a very good mood. It's there for all eternity. And i'm harsh on filmmakers because i'm appreciating them as professionals and their professional work, not as personal acquiantances. And the reason i don't bash more the prision scene is becasue it's not in the movie. If it's not in the movie, it doesn't exist. Jar Jar Abrams decided that scene should not be in the movie, therefore that's how i should take it. It's just a curio, not something i should take as real in the mvie's own universe. But i have been very critical of the way the movie then made Nero to have been seated on his ass for 25 years at the same stop doing nothing but waiting for Spock,. and the absurdity of the factt hat he's at the same place where the Kelvin ship was destroyed and yet it seems that nobody from the Federation even bothered to sent soem other ship there to check out what happened there and meet the Narada. One can even get the idea that THe Narada entered this universe at the very spot of a well traveled space route, and for 25 years nobody noticed the Narada parked there doing nothing?? Hell, in the TOS there's episodes where the enterprise is sent to check out disapearences from ships that occured 20 years ago. But in STINO, nobody bothers to check out the disapearence of a ship. Clearly another proof of how well the makers of TOS understood naval protocol and precedual, but not the makers of STINO.And this is not nickpicking. This is basic. This is the stuff that immediatly comes to my mind when i see a movie like this, and this crass basic flaws it has. Truly the people who made this movie didn't even though about the most basic consequences of their dramatic choices they put in their story. Clearly, the people who made this movie just didn't cared.
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My friend says the 3disc blu ray in the enterprise case is advertised $29 but is actually $24 in the store, which is lower than the $26 2 disc dvd in the enterprise case. This particular target is in Manhattan Beach fyi.
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Seems this christmas will be the time when blu-ray will hit the markets strong.
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Target also has that Up bluray/dvd/portable copy 4 disc thing that comes with an adventure book for $20 already this week. Again this is in Manhattan Beach, Ca just in case it's only that particular Target.
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Sorry just have to laugh at that comment. The Yankees are hated because they win. Do they buy the best players? Yes. Do they have incredible homegrown talent? Yes. So those who think they always buy championships are just jealous because the teams they like cant, or try and fail. They get the necessary tools to win. Some baseball teams don't even try. Then you have the ones that try and fail constantly, like the Baltimore Orioles they spend a lot of money on their team but they always suck. Ok back to Trek bashing, which at this point is ridiculously boring. But kinda entertaining at the same time.
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I just laugh when I see comments like that about the Yankees, carry on.
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A-Roid is what haters call him because in his years with the Texas Rangers he admitted to using steroids (which he no longer does) and I am sure the haters are convinced that he is still using them. I don't condone the use of steroids, it's stupid and a terrible thing for a person to do, to destroy your body for a little extra edge? Dumb, just dumb.
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I would have liked to have seen Nero getting the info out of Pike, it would have shown Nero to a bit more badass, resorting to anything to get what he wants, yadda yadda, and the prison scene most definitely should have been included. But right there is probably the only place where you and I agree LOL. My participation in these TB's is extremely limited these days, it is utterly pointless to me to participate since I keep repeating myself over and over and frankly I am sick of doing that, not to mention bored. Besides, anytime I do make a valid point, it gets ignored, so I just don't bother anymore. Hope all is well with you.
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27 used to be my fave #, and Im not a big yankees fan, but the fact that this year they got their 27th championship reminded me of the old Meadowe.
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27 used to be my fave #, and Im not a big yankees fan, but the fact that this year they got their 27th championship reminded me of the old Meadowe.
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OMG, this Blu-Ray is so incredible. By far the nicest I've ever seen.
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Nov 17, 2009 2:27:32 PM CST
"Trek bashing, which at this point is ridiculously boring"
by burnhollywood
Not half as coma-inducingly dull as baseball talk. Fuck A-Roid up the ass with every single diseased Red Sox cock that ever went in a toothless Boston hookers mouth.
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When you're through licking Chris Pine's face on the cover, you should try putting it in the player and hitting "play"...
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Pretty much what I was expecting
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Boston Jerk Sox fan are you?
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With some of the most intelligent, well spoken and well mannered TB'ers. Oh wait. Morons and children who love to make profanity laden idiotic statements. It's funny to watch kids on the internet. LOL j/k...maybe.
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I bet he astounds us with a 1,000 worded post about why he hates the movie.
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I'm not too bad myself, friend. and it's a pity you don't participate more. At elast qwith you i can talk, instead of what the other STINO grouipues do, which is just screaaming personal insults and shout "I HAD FUUUUN, HOW DARE YOU CRITICISE THE HOY JAR JAR ABRAMS AND HIS HOLY GOFT TO MANKIND HIS STINO MOVIE, SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!" and other variants of such. At least with you i know i'm talking with a thinking man. Besides, you are a nice guy and always the gentleman, even when people piss on your beloved New Yorkers.Back to STINO, i listened to Abrams and friends' DVD audio comentary, and now i have an even lower opinion of them then i used to, if you can believe that. You should try listen to it, it would remove some certaines about some people who still believe that Abrams has any real interest or dedication to Star Trek, as any filmmaker encumbed with the task should. The comentary was quite enlightning. but maybe the fratboys will identify with him and his fratboy attitude toward filmmaking. And yes, the engine room was actually filmed in a beer brewry, BUDWEISER's.
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I'm recharged, because i saw a truly great SF movie as they should look like, called MOON. And i listened to Abrams and friends' comentary for the STINO DVD. And now i have no doubts whatsoever of what complete clueless idiots the team who made STINO are. Can't wait for STINO 2: DUMB HARDER.
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Actually we agree on a lot of things... when we are not talking about STINO. Even about STINO you have admited i have made good points about the movie's flaws. The difference is just you can't let go of your love for it. Have you ever contemplated rehab?
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Well I thank you for the kind words my friend. I actually have the movie on DVD but did not buy it (nudge nudge say no more) I may get it eventually, but it is not in my budget at the moment. Regarding being a nice guy, I can tolerate a lot, I have a lot of patience (heck I have three children so I better have patience), even with some of the blithering idiots on here. Until I reach my breaking point, and that is not likely to happen, at least not here, because no one knows enough about me to use against me. I find no good reason to stoop to the level that some on here do, resorting to childish insults and profanity laden tirades. Once in a while I may, heck I am human (at least I think I am). Hoestly, the whole filming in a brewery thing really does not bother me at all. Hell, George Lucas used pen caps and razor blade holders to make props in TPM, that didn't bother me either.Oh something else I wanted to tell you, noticed this in a few of your posts. You were wondering why people trash T4 but not this movie. For myself personally, I did not HATE T4, but I was very disappointed with it. I thought Bale (forgive me LOL) was not that good as John Connor he was not terrible, but he was far from what I thought he would be in the role. Yelchin was actually great as young Kyle Reese, he channeled Michael Biehn quite well. The effects were good, the battle scenes I thought were well filmed. But here is my major problem with the film. The middle third of the movie was absent of Terminators, I had totally forgotten I was watching a Terminator movie at one point until they showed up again at the end, there was way too much focus on Worthington's character. That's pretty bad when a movie with Terminator in the title doesn't have very many Terminators in it. I equate it to Star Trek and having the crew in a different ship other than the Enterprise, Terminator movies should have Terminators in them. Could have been such a better movie, but it wasn't just passable.
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Moon made the Moon boring. That's some feat.
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My last line was supposed to say "But it wasn't it was just passable."
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AS-I-MO-O-O-O-O-OV!!!
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I will say what I once saw on a t-shirt..Rehab is for quitters....LOL.
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Homosexual insults. Thank you for showing everyone on here the level of mental maturity you're working with. lol.
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ST 2009 is the new Trek. It will rack up huge sales today. The Shat is gone and forgotten, the Pine is here to stay. WElcome to Abrams Trek legacy. Thank god this series is actually good again. Instead of insanely dull and under produced. No one likes the old series anymore. My God I just watched the DVD twice, it is still amazing!
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To expect maturity here at AICN is like expecting to find virgins in a maternity ward. Ain't gonna happen!
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There are plenty of mature, intelligent people on this site, yourself included. Unfortunately burnhollywood is not one of them.
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You should know he doesn't require you or anyone else to trigger his hate for STINO.
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Yea, groundbreaking, original, well written, good stories, great characters, yea, who the hell likes that? Intelligent sc-fi fans that's who.
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Well, that's what I meant, but unfortunately the immature idiots are the ones who seem to post more often. Poor attention seeking children, pity them.
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That people think Abrams would feel the need to pay people off to get good reviews of a DVD release of a movie that was a summer blockbuster and was already liked by critics. -
And I did not hate it in the theater, but it does not garner a second viewing from me. Maybe when it reaches basic cable, yes. But as of now I have no desire to revisit it. Life is too short.
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My hypothesis for why Bale was not on his usual top game for T4 is twofold: 1) The directro can't direct actors for shit; 2) Bale must have senses, during filmming, that the movie was not going to work out all that well, and his acting resented that.Of course i could also add the fact that the script sucked!
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Youèll be renting or purchasing the DVD today just like the rest of the free world. Tood bad, so sad, Abramès Trek reings supreme.
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I'm not much suprised to learn you dislike MOON. I would had been suprised if you did, in fact.
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to my plasma.
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Intelligence is the first. Nothing beats it.
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Just like Bayformers 2 never made it to my Netflix list and never will. Even if they give it away for free,
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Did scifi end because SW made everything look not serious? what about things like Alien or Blade Runner.
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Comedy.
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I don't get buying DVDs. And I haven't watched DVD extras since LOTR. Too much content on TV and Internets. Not enough time.
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What do?
I say no. There's no benefit to subjecting myself to the agony of watching a movie that looks to be absolute shit with no redeeming value when I'm not pursuing said chick (I don't date women from work, period.)Only way I would watch this shit is with rifftrax, which I hear is quite good for it.Just wanted to throw that out there in the crappy movie discussion. -
and links to Amazon, and calls it a day.
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Thank god I got both of those....well at least I think I do....sometimes I wonder considering some of the things I have done in my life...LOL
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Are you that naive? Studios regulary pay critics to pump their movies with good reviews. Studios even had done to the extreme eof inventing non-existing critcis to provide positive blurb reviews for the posters and advertizement. God, you cannot be that naive to think that there are no critics on the take. That practice is as old as Hollywood! By now it's perfected into a fucking exact science.
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It's cool to have a couple dvd's but damn, most shit only deserves 1 viewing. I'm a sucker for TV on DVD though, for stuff like Lost and The Wire.
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The wife said the experience of a theater full of screaming orgasmic tweens is not to be missed. God bless her.
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... to be on the studio's good side, so that they can get free gifts, pree passes, exclusives with stars, first viewing, etc. The perks that go with being a studio's own critic boy are too much to resist. Not critic hits it big if they don't have a relationship with one or more studios. The thing has gone to such lenghts that critics even became an important part of studio internal politics.
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It depends on the chick and your intentions. If wanna date her, yea you watch. If you wanna bang her, if she is hot enough, you watch. If you are not pursuing her in any way like you say, fuck, do not watch that stupid b/s excuse for a "vampire" movie, period. To do so is an insult to your gender LOL. My g/f's daughter has been trying to get us to watch that turd for months now, with no success. I know my g/f is gonna give in at some point, and that's when I am out for the night. Won't watch it. Of course she will try to tell me if she has to be tortured with watching it I have to as well, but I will be out the door too fast to hear her finish that sentence.
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Old Spock appeared and the backstory began to be explained. That's when it went straight to just stupid. When does Red Matter? Never.
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No man, wrong Moon movie. I was talking about MOON, you know, the SF movie directed by the son of David Bowie. And not that emo vampyres bullshit.
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You poor bastard, no man should have to sit through that garbage, I will pray for your soul LOL.
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Re: liking Star Trek, D9 & Moon."It fits very badly."Not from where I'm sat it doesn't. What reason can I give that you will accept? The same reasons have been given already and you dismiss all of them.3 good movies. Out of the 3, the one I enjoyed the most was Moon. That's it.
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Please tell me you did not actually see Twilight (I am guessing you didn't) I downloaded it for my g/f's daughter, and watched about 5 minutes of it, a minute here a minute there...wow what total and utter crap. Vampires? Not even close. Lestat, now that is a real fucking vampire, he could kick the shit out of all of those Twilight punks.
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She really loves them. She's pretty geeky about her attitude toward movies. Damn smart and cultured too. And she is also the prettiest thing, and 10 years my junior. What ruins it all is that she's very steady with a really very nice guy i'm friends with. The dude got lucky beyond belief.
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I see we have more in common than just supercool names.
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I think we can agree on that.
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Two of those movies are very smart movies. One of them is dumb beyond belief. How can they match up in anybody's mind is beyond compreention. But it's good that you prefer Moon. You got your favorite right, no doubt about that. The best way i can describe my feelings for Moon is awe.
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I can't stand cheese, the taste of it makes me puke, therefore i don't like pizza. do you like rice? I love rice.
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the only food that does not cause flatuence.
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Vampires with a conscience who don't want to take human life? Done better in Interview With The Vampire. Vampires vs. Werewolves? Done with way more style and ferocity in the first Underworld movie (not to mention it had super hot Kate Beckinsdale). Not that anyone here doesn't know all this already, at least they should.
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You can order Pizza without Cheese.
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I just ordered a pizza.
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I don't need to watch Twilight to know the fucking movie is all ass. That shit is evident beyond doubt.
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Truer words were never spoken.
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Talk to you guys later.
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Must order food.
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Moon was great...ST just ok...you're still an epic douche. Go figure.
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I like quiet, thoughtful movies. That's my preference. But if I watched that kind of movie all the time I'd be walking around with a frown. So I turn to something fun & fast-paced.I could eat haute cuisine for a week but then I just feel like some fast food. Dig?
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...loving two intelligent movies and a very dumb one at the same time."
See? AssLives just doesn't get it. he can only appreciate one type of film and in only one way. The only schlock he'll admit to liking is faux-schlock, the kind that's both schlock and also Making A Statement about schlock. AssLives is terrified--TERRIFIED--that an enjoyable schlock movie will somehow make him dumber, or even worse--make someone else thinks he's dumb for watching it. This is why he lashes out so violently against people who can take pleasure out of movies like Deep Rising, Night Of The Creeps, Amityville 2 or Busty Cops On Patrol. He feels mortally threatened by the very notion of being able to be an intelligent person and like both Lawrence of Arabia and Deep Blue Sea.
He's very much like a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim who isn't satisfied knowing he's going to Heaven unless he knows everyone else is going to Hell.
In other words: if you don't appreciate movies the AssLives way, you're dirt.
Maybe Salazar rubbed off on him in more ways than he knows. -
Vampyre with a conscience? Try Varney The Vampyre, which is a penny dreadful novel from the victorian era and predates Dracula by at least two decades. In the end, Varney kills himself by throwing himself to the Mount Vesuvius (a still active vulcano in Italy, it destroyed Pompey back in the time of ancient Rome), riddled with remorses for his killings. That far predates Interview With The Vampyre by more then a century.
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those guys are warped.
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But you do admit that STINO is a pretty dumb idiotic movie, and very lacking in the intelligence you can find in Moon, don't you?
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Yeah, that's what I figured about that movie. There's not many movies I refuse to even give a chance, but every preview and every remotely bit I've seen written about it has said how awful it is. In addition to simply not wanting to be exposed to what I hear is a steaming irredeemable piece of shit movie, I don't want to go and ruin a friend's experience who enjoys these movies by talking shit throughout the movie, which I surely will do. I'll let them have their Twilight get-together and better spend my time sleeping or doing... hell, doing ANYTHING else!
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But nazism was created in NORTERN EUROPE. And the nazis took inspiration for their killing of the jews based on what certain states in USA did for their mental pacients. As the say goes, better not start throwing rocks, not when you have ceilings made of glass.
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Ahh, the pleasures of couch potato-ing. The only way to survive a bad movie, pissing and mocking it MST3K style.
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then there was for the whole of STINO. And that shit is 2 hours long!
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Stop trying to put words in my mouth, you cheeky thing you!I don't think Star Trek is "dumb". Some of the plot contrivances could be construed as "idiotic." But I expect those from time to time, you've just got to swing with it. As a piece of entertainment, enjoyable & painless.
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Aren't you glad AssLives educated your dumb ass about Mount Vesuvius? I mean, who had ever even heard of Pompeii or that it existed "in the time of ancient Rome" before AssLives showed up?
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I rest my case...a narrow minded tragic.
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No, it was created in central Europe with other strains of fascism springing up in southern Europe.
"took inspiration for their killing of the jews based on what certain states in USA did for their mental pacients."
Hoo boy, are you suggesting that there was some sort of practice going on with mental patients in the U.S. at the time which is comparable to the systematic Nazi plan to eradicate entire peoples from their midst? You better not just be referring to the teachings of Charles Davenport or other American eugenics freaks, because if you are, you're fucked. -
...Hitleer was most inspired by was the Western expansion which displaced and/or killed untold numbers of Native Americans. He used that in his plan to create "lebensraum" in the East, but to even suggest that modern day liberal democracies have no right to criticize fascist regimes because of flaws in their own past (self-rectified, as in all democracies) is a hideous notion.
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HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE CHEESE OR PIZZZA?! EVERYTHING IS BETTER WITH CHEESE! INCLUDING RICE!!!
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If it turns out that he DOESN'T hate Night Of The Creeps, it will be because he's convinced himself that it has some ridiculous subtextual meaning beyond its immediate and visceral awesomeness.
Can you imagine what a fucking buzzkill it would be sitting at home with some buddies and AssLives, drinking a few brews and watching The Sword And The Sorcerer? While everyone else is cheering the cheese, the tits, the gore, Lee Horsley and Xusia, he would be sitting there and stewing over how "stupid" the movie is, how "flimsy" the plot is, how "awful" the acting is and how "shit" the dialogue is--and how stupid everyone else is for liking it. -
MAYBE HE IS?
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I know!
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Nov 17, 2009 5:22:18 PM CST
ZOOEY WE CAN UNDERSTAND BUT HOW DID HITLER GET INTO THIS?
by bringingsexyback
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Fact. See vid I posted this morning.
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But you don't let a little thing like that get in the way of a delicious slice of pizza.
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Wrong. STINO was pure agony. Talk about The Agony Booth!
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No, not lactose intolerant. I love butter and yogurts, but i hate the taste of milk and cheese, they make me want to puke. Big deal.
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More cheese than any one person deserves.
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Except for feta. I don't know what the Greeks do to it, but it's the only goat cheese I can stand.
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...but she was so awful in The Happening that she's going to have to do me a lot of favors before getting back in my good graces again. You hear me, Zooey? "Favors"....
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...and say that very few of us TB'ers would be as annoying watching movies in person as friends as we are when writing/trolling about them on here. With the exception of Nerd Rage and Spaz, because slap happy unsocialized ADHD teenagers and militant tin foil hatters are never fun to be around in any capacity, and if I found myself in the same vicinity as those asshats I would almost certainly inflict some form of physical injury on one or both just for the pleasure of listening to their womanly lamentations. -
I know!
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I know don't know what Shamalamadingdong was thinking. He totally miscalculated what to do with her. You must see 500 Days to get the full Deschanel Effect.
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since i am greek,i think the reason you like it is that you are eating feta with sheep milk mixed with goat milk.its way better than the feta made only with goat milk,which makes it more sour.
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you're not meant to take movies so seriously. Not all of them anyway. You are allowed to have a laugh at the daft stuff. Your brain cells won't explode as a result. Trust me.
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...in Eulogy, too. But then again, so was everyone in that shitburger, including man-god Rip Torn.
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Nov 17, 2009 6:44:04 PM CST
Those ice monsters were even scarier the second time around
by dannyglovers_dickblo0d
When they zoomed in on that big bear monster I seriously jumped and spilled kettle corn all over my sofa. You win this round, Mr. Abrams!
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1.)Star Trek was, like nearly every other film I saw this summer, really dumb. Like it was written by a couple of morons. 2.)To his credit, Asimov_Lives' critiques are becoming more and more coherent. All of your attacks on him are causing him to refine his spiel. Good job. 3.)I read this whole TB today. Thanks, guys.
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Nov 17, 2009 6:58:57 PM CST
It was a big, stupid and truly retarded movie, but entertaining
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
I got's my money's worth and that's all you can ask fer.
All the other crap of people hatin on the dumb script or tryin to defend the dumb script, is just geek jism -
Nov 17, 2009 7:07:22 PM CST
All you Blockbuster employees bashing this movie
by winonaryders_pussyjuice
Are just jealous that the new Kirk gets laid and you get laughed at. Do youself a favor and STFU go outside and walk your fat ass to the gym. I don't want to hear about how youre jealous of Chris Pine's rock hard abs anymore, or how Star Trek Nemesis had a much brainier screenplay. STFU.
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It's like a crazy guy bonanza in here! We even got a DGDB impersonator even though Danny hasn't posted here in half a year! Wahoo!
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Looks like an O not a 0
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...STINO WAS pretty thrilling. As a fan of TOS I was pretty surprised at how much I enjoyed the film overall. The cast was nearly perfect-at least the ones that actually got some screentime. I'd have to single out Karl Urban, as brief as his screentime was, as my favorite performance. In the end, tho, the movie was just too dumb to take too seriously. At the end, when they eject the warp core? Uh, what keeps them from instantly being sucked into the black hole? Like I said, thrilling, but ultimately really, REALLY stupid. Oh yeah, fuck Planet Coincidence/Exposition. Truly, truly dire storytelling.
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What he didn't tell you is 'Emily Blunt' is the name he gave to his favorite Goat! He also said she's not BAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaad!
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Seriously "In Name Only", for me it shows an unhealthy obsession with something that isn't human or real. For those that continue to use this I would recommend you seek out some human companinship (I avoided saying human or goat, as I didn't want to be mean).
"I didn't like it", "wasn't as good as the previous one", "wasn't as good as the book/tv series" , those comments are all fine, they show an opinion. -
Pepper Jack is good.
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Just the gamey smell of Chevre makes me wanna puke, whereas feta is delightfully tangy.
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Is what AssLives DOES to the GOAT he calls # 2, he really wanted to call it Riker though!
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Holy shit!
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a 14-year-old with the writing skills of an 8-year-old wants to have some form of crude lovemaking session with her. She's on top of the world!
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At the end of the commentary track, producer (and "Lost" co-creator) Damon Lindelof "reveals" that the name of the sequel will be "Pineapple." Tonight, the first clue for the next phase of the "Lost" alternate reality game is a picture of a pineapple. That's some crazy, sneaky, obscure cross-promoting right there. damoncarltonandapolarbear.com
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Boy was I extremely underwhelmed. I don't know what I was expecting but considering critics were overwhelmingly positive about this I thought it would be fairly good, or at least entertaining. Personally I found it pretty boring, the story was severely lacking, the dialogue was just laughable some of the time, the characters weren't really very interesting, and some of the actors were seriously distracting, especially with the lame comic relief. Even the action was only so-so and kinda hard to follow what was going on sometimes, like the whole intro scene. The whole encounter with older Spock and the whole time travel/ Nero's revenge story was kinda silly and not very engaging. The special FX were pretty well done for the most part, but overall I was pretty disappointed by this one. It wasn't horrible as some were stating but I wouldn't say it was good either.
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Viral games.
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most of us here, even the biggest loudmouths, in person would be revealed to be quite much nicer then what we let outselves be in this anoymity of the talkbacks. I'm dead certain that if i were to meet some of my haters here in person, but we didn't knew who each other was, we would bound pretty quickly. In the end, we all have a common personality trait, or else we wouldn't be posting in here regulary. In person i would be as passionate as you find me here, but you would also find me a pretty agreeable, easy to befriend and eager to befriend. I don't sacrifice my ideas for anything, but more importantly i love the company of friends and other movie geeks like me. I can talk for hours about movies with other fellow geeks, and i'm certain i would be delighted to meet in person many of the other geeks in here, including some of those who do not agree with me about STINO, like rogueleader66, southafricanguy, Stubby, ebonic_plague and BringingSexyBack, the later i'm certain must be one of those who always makes everybody around them laugh (and that's a praise).
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I'm enjoying too much chatting with you, ThereWolf my friend. Where have you been before, you new here or something? I really don't care if you agree with me on STINO or not, i dig your manner. You're cool.And let me say, i can't enjoy a dumb movie like STINO. It's not in me to do that. The movie offends everythign i hold dear and valuable about cinema. I feel that if i "enjoyed" STINO, it would be a betrayla to the very reasons why i love the good movies i love, from the art-house stukll like lost Highway to deep genre stuff like Moon to offbeat stuff like Apocalypse Now and 2001 to more mainstream fare like The Thing or Raiders Of The Lost Ark or Jaws. It's just not possible. To love dumb stuff like STINO is like to betray all the talented hardworking filmmakers who busted their asses, went through great difficulties and with great effort to make truly good and smart movies for the enjoyment of audiences everywhere. You know what i mean?
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No. You don't. Your ability to interact with actual humans rather than curse while jamming your rancid gitprong into a goat's arsehole is negligible, and therefore stops you from having same species conversations. Liar.
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Bullshit. The coolest girl you stalk. Just remember, asshead, that a restraining order is not another form of I love you.
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We would be. You on the other hand, would be revealed to be a terminally virginal, stick-up-the-ass, goat molesting cunt with an opinion on everything, but the knowledge base of an autistic toddler.
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Next to JJ.
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I do my best.
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with similar thoughts as Asimov: that the filmmakers did not know much about ST nor care either?
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I think JJ put a lot of thought into it, and made homages to canon a priority. I think that's very respectful. Bob and Alex, I think did their best but certainly they are not Trekkies. I give them an A for effort, because rebooting Trek is no small feat. But Bob not knowing what "NCC-" stands for is unforgivable. I mean, I don't know, but I'm not tasked with writing Trek ...
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Fuck Star Trek. It's shit and lame and something that (because of loser virgins learning Romulan and shit like that) I actively dislike. I hope he takes canon and then wipes his ass on it. I don't know what NCC stands for either.
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refer to "cinema" like that. It's a dead giveaway that the person using it is a pretentious douchebag with a semen stained copy of Proust.
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that's the most odious sycophantic post that I've ever seen. You really are a ginormous tampon.
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check your inbox
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to be honest, I'm barely round these parts any more. The sites in the crapper with endless news about a film that came out ages ago that I didn't care about, it's populated with endless dickheads like Assholelives above, and I just can't be arsed with it anymore.
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from Goatfucker in chief in the other Star Trek thread. It's unreal.
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Do you think JJ and crew did the commentary in the nude?
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Do you think JJ and crew did the commentary in the nude?
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It's strange what BSB said about Abrams (no offense, BSB my friend), because the only canon that Abrams showed any respect was for STAR WARS. And that's based on what he himself says in the comentary. The guy talks more about SW then he talks about ST. It's emblematic of his style of making movies that when Orci asks him why the use of Beasty boys' Saboutage for the Teen Kirk scene, his answer is "i don't know". "I don't know" should be his motto, because his movie is a complete reflection of that.
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Nov 18, 2009 12:25:02 PM CST
"to be honest, I'm barely round these parts any more."
by burnhollywood
LMAO.
http://tinyurl.com/lco93d -
...was absolutely awful, as if it was written by a couple of over caffinated twelve year olds. Very surprised that such a good film was teased out of the mess.
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I can tell, by your username, what you enjoy 'recieving', but why wouldn't you like a movie written by your peers?
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Great commentary. Exciting movie. Fuck these haters in the ass.
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Thanks. In the words of John Lydon, I'm just some cunt trying.I'm not a prolific poster but I usually hang out in the Twitch thread. However, Twitch seems to have been ditched by AICN so I've been flushed from cover.I can talk to you, but you need to lighten up. It's not a betrayal to like the daft stuff. Movies aren't there to inform you all the time, some are just meant to be a riot. Give in to it once in awhile.If you don't like a film, that's fine. But don't call folk "morons" for liking that same movie. It's not nice, man.
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IIRC, from my old ST Technical Manual. They had some contorted explanation for why they still use the term 'naval' but I've forgotten it.
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