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Thursday 18-49 finals (previous weeks in parentheses):
5.6 (5.1) (5.2) (5.3) (5.0) (5.4) (6.1) (6.7) (1.8) Grey’s Anatomy
4.2 (4.1) (4.2) (4.4) (4.1) (4.8) (3.9) (3.9) (4.1) The Office
4.1 (3.5) (3.4) (2.2) (3.6) (3.5) (4.1) (4.1) (2.0) CSI
4.0 (3.7) (3.7) (4.0) (3.5) (3.4) (3.7) (3.7) (3.6) Survivor
3.9 (3.4) (3.6) (3.7) (3.8) (3.6) (4.6) (---) (---) Private Practice
3.6 (3.6) (3.6) (2.8) (3.5) (3.3) (3.8) (3.6) (1.9) The Mentalist
3.0 (3.0) (3.1) (3.3) (3.0) (----) (---) (---) (---) 30 Rock
2.9 (2.6) (---) (---) (2.8) (2.9) (2.7) (2.8) (3.1) Bones
2.6 (2.6) (2.7) (3.1) (3.1) (3.0) (3.7) (4.0) (---) FlashForward
2.2 (1.7) (---) (---) (2.2) (2.1) (2.3) (2.3) (3.0) Fringe
2.1 (2.3) (2.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.9) (2.7) (3.8) Community
2.1 (2.2) (2.0) (2.1) (2.0) (2.1) (2.0) (1.8) (2.1) Parks and Recreation
2.0 (1.9) (2.0) (0.9) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (1.6) The Vampire Diaries
1.6 (1.6) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (2.7) The Jay Leno Show
1.4 (----) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Project Runway
1.3 (1.2) (1.4) (0.8) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) Supernatural
1.2 (1.3) (0.8) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (1.2) (1.1) (1.4) It's Always Sunny
1.0 (1.5) (----) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Real Housewives of O.C.
0.8 (0.9) (1.0) (2.2) (----) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Jeff Dunham Show
0.6 (0.9) (0.6) (----) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The League
0.5 (0.6) (0.6) (0.7) (0.5) (----) (---) (---) (---) Tosh.0
Figures in grey are for repeats.
* “Bones” decisively beat “FlashForward” in 18-49 for the first time. The Fox procedural is now in second place at 8 p.m., a major victory for a network that has long struggled on Thursday nights.
* Fox’s “Fringe” rebounded a whopping 29% from its series low last week, but remained a distant fourth in its brutal timeslot.
* The “CSI” crossover stunt reaped a big rebound for the franchise’s mothership.
* “CSI,” “Survivor” and “Vampire Diaries” all matched their season highs.
* “Grey’s” rebounded strongly following weeks of decline. “Private Practice” soundly defeated “The Mentalist” at 10 p.m., reversing the prior week.
* Once again, the only Big Five show "Leno" managed to beat Thursday was "Supernatural."
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Nov 13, 2009 4:29:07 PM CST
I CLAIM THIS TALKBACK IN THE NAME OF CHICKENS EVERYWHERE
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN PERIL.
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But FF still beat Community.
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So I guess William Peterson leaving the show didn't hurt them at all, huh?
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Holy crap... you mean I agree with you?
Bones has sucked for a while, but of course the ratings are high... it's been dumbed down so much, no wonders the masses like it. -
how much higher The Office's ratings are than any of the other NBC comedies airing the same night. Do that many people really just tune in for that one show only and then change the channel? Is it the Jim/Pam thing drawing in more female viewers or is Steve Carell really that big of a star? I'm not saying it isn't deserving. It's one of my favorite shows but I don't think it's necessarily "better" than the other three NBC offerings.
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Nov 13, 2009 4:43:25 PM CST
One of the weaker eps of Supernatural this season
by i_am_the_ultimate_product
But still better than 90% of everything else out there. Last weeks was laugh out loud funny, and next weeks looks very promising. Also, fuck Leno. Fuck him right in the ear.
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+ Some of the flashforwards were genuinely interesting and i'm looking forward to seeing how they're resolved.+ The overarching storyline is compelling and i'm looking forward to finding out what caused the flashforwards.- Ralph Fiennes rocks. I'm doubtful that his brother attended the same acting school. In fact, i'm doubtful his brother attended any acting school at all.- I'm not liking Charlie from "Lost" in this at all, which is a complete turn-around from...well, "Lost".- Too much filler in each episode. I'm sick of waiting until the last five minutes for any real substance to the story.I'll stick with it for now but it might lose me soon.
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But, shit, it's so bland now, it might as well be on CBS.
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Of the Mentalist. Red Herring or not???
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What was up with all the extras needing to get things signed? Hodgins signed something and flirted a bit with the girl who brought it. A scene or two later, Camille signed a half dozen or so documents on clipboards, Every other shot it seemed someone new was bringing in a document on a clipboard for her to sign. At first I thought it was a continuity error until I realized it was always someone different. I'm guessing it was some inside joke (something to do with a network note about more action during lab scenes maybe?), or the extras were production people or contest winners. Or maybe it was just really poor continuity.
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Is fucking hysterical! Caught a rerun the other night. My new favorite show. Seriously good.
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This week, almost as good.
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Really not much more to add. Now, Fringe really needs to move to Tuesdays. The show is fantastic, but it's in a really tough spot right now. I'll be extremely disappointed if it doesn't last past this year.
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And last week's low number for Fringe was most likely due to the World Series. I've been hearing that most cable/satellite providers didn't show it airing that night. Fortunately, U-Verse rocks and it recorded it for me. -
Harry, seriously, can you PLEASE update the site?
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P&R really getting Legs. Creed last night one of the top three Creed moments ever. 30 Rock not funny unless Tracy is totally nuts. Community a sit com written like a hr long drama. Awesome show.
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The guy investigating him turning out to really be him seems a bit cliched. Although I could see him becoming a disciple of Red John.
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for a line break, for a new paragraph.
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don't know how i found it, but i'm glad i did. Worth a look for sure!
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Nov 13, 2009 5:23:14 PM CST
Bones is alright, but I hate their cycle of different assistants
by gravybits
And I don't think I'll ever forgive them for the ridiculous plot twist of during season 3
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1) Have to admit I was disappointed in last night's Parks & Rec. After the borderline-terrible first season, it just kind of gelled all of a sudden this season and seemed on the verge of becoming awesome. Especially since last week's "Ron & Tammy" episode was probably the best single episode of any comedy so far this season (excluding Sunny of course). This episode was just sort of boring, filled with scenes that went on a too long that didn't build to anything.
2) I'm still on the fence about The League. Has some good moments but it's not quite as dirty or subversive as it likes to think it is. Also, it's not looking good that it lost half it's Sunny lead in audience this week. -
Could you elaborate on this bosco/red john thing. I saw the episode and don't recall that.
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it is slooooooooooooooooooooooooow
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But my Digital DirectTV crap won't record that show anymore for some reason. FRAKK
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...so how could this be the first time?
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The thing about what you consider filler is that it may seem meaningless but without it in every episode, then the last five minutes wouldn't make sense or feel important. For instance: the daughter showing up when the father thought she was dead. I agree some filler may seem like fluff but most of it is vital to telling the overall story.
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Can not wait to see Frank birthed from a couch!
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You're probably right. I've probably been spoiled by "Lost" where the majority of each episode feels as though it's building towards something and that 'something' always occurs at the end of the episode.I haven't seen this week's episode yet but last week was the first time that i felt Flashforward managed to do the above.I'm still watching it eight episodes later so I guess it's doing something right.
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OTS Jane of Bosco -- pan right to red to right of door frame -- zoom in and rack focus on Red. Seemed VERY intentional and not subtle enough. I call red herring with Bosco being set up to be Red John, but not really. Or I may be overanalizing and he is Red John. Pictures will point to Bosco = Red John very soon. Wouldn't it be a kick if RJ set up Jane working for the CBI?
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"We are all sons of bitches now!"
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You KNEW that Simon was going to get beat, cause they set it up along time ago that the other guy was a magician. Pointless. Otherwise, I liked it.
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Also, just a tiresome stalling tactic on the part of the writers. But whatever. The rest of it was okay by me.
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was Jericho. Brought back fond memories of Ravenwood and Jennings & Rall...
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They seem to be like political polls. Yes, they're a nice snapshot of a moment, but they don't add to much. So Fringe went up 28%. So...? It's not a reflection of the episode's quality, or survival chances, or whatever. Overall trends are kinda useful, but the "Gee, it's up!" Gee, it's down!' doesn't seem helpful or useful.
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No nuts?
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I didn't know if it was intentional or not, but I liked to think it was.FlashForward has the dumbest FBI agents ever. The first time I saw the tattoo I thought it was some kind of insignia. It's not like buddy was sporting a unicorn or one that says "Betty 4-Ever", it's 3 military looking stars. Why they felt this mercenary type belonging to some secret army had a unique, one of a kind tattoo, baffles me. I sometimes find FlashForward way too dumb for me.
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Would be surprised if Red John were not Minelli, the CBI boss, on The Mentalist...Gregory Itzin does a wonderful job with the character, and he's the logical choice. Always leading Jane along, close to the scene but never quite there ..and of course an established history of unreliability as President Logan!
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no one with brains would argue against this, but so does Flashforward.
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And a big death is expected soon on the Mentalist. I think there may be a link. The lovebirds gave me a death scare this week. I would really hate any of the core five to go, but especially Cho. The guy is damn funny with his deadpan delivery.
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The only thing sadder than these 18-49 Nielsen posts is the belief in some circles that they matter on the macro level. A low-rated show with passable 18-49 ratings can hang on, while a show with great total numbers thrives regardless of its 18-49 numbers. The Mentalist may have barely been beaten by the loathsome Private Practice in 18-49, but in total ratings The Mentalist won by nearly five million viewers, just as CSI easily beats the wretched Grey's week in and week out. Great episode of Bones, maybe with a little more time it can dispatch Survivor and retire more of the reality garbage that pollutes prime time.
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I almost missed Fringe myself last week; I would have missed it if there hadn't been an article alerting me to it on this site. My DVR insisted that Game 7 of the World Series was happening instead. I'm betting most guides, either printed or digital, said the same thing. Combine that with the two week hiatus that preceded last week, and the sudden drop to 1.7 seems understandable. Fortunate for Fringe that it's back to its post-post-season numbers.
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Russell owned.
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The other nimrods on the show are walking around like dumbasses. Can someone explain why Jaison is still there?
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never watched it, but i WILL tune in to see Zooey Deschanel in a few weeks. ohhhhh yes.
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Seriously, there is so very little to watch on Wednesday, and yet so very very much to watch on Thurs. C'mon Fox, I need something not so dam gay to watch on Wednesday night!
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...because he does whatever Russell says.
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They get better and better each week (and Alison Brie is so good I didn't recognize her as the same actress who plays Trudy on Mad Men!) And jimbojones123, you nailed it: it is a sitcom written like an hour-long drama. To think the creator got his start on Channel 101 AND based this show on his time at Glendale College. It's just perfect, and more hilarious (and surprising) as it progresses.
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One of the greatest scenes in the history of Superman, and AICN didn't even mention it. FOUL.
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is a genuinely funny and quirky show. I wish it had the ratings it deserves.
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Something must be done to break up this night. One way or the other. My DVR can only record two shows at once for crying out loud.
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it's as if the TV execs want us to start torrenting.
Best piece of TV this Thursday though? The look of pure hatred on Laura's face as Russel was giggling at one of her coven doing the long walk. Laughed my ass off when he found that second idol.
You have to wonder whats going wrong when the most dramatic show of the night is made by putting a camera in front of a bunch of fuckwits thrown on a island. -
I must admit for a few seasons there it was often hit and miss with the episodes. and mostly misses. but this season has really shown great progress in the writing and direction of the show. Kandor,Zod,Clark's training,the Watchtower and much more have all been great. even the lovey dovey stuff with Lois has been pretty good.
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when they started pushing the love interest between the two main characters. That is the death of almost every show where it's been done and should be avoided.
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I don't think Bosco is Red John and if he were that would be the most absurd twist ever, and it would make EVERYONE at CBI look like an idiot, and it would contradict everything we've learned about Bosco. I'm not saying the writers on The Mentalist aren't going there, but I will say, if they do I'll quit watching the show because of such an absurd, contrived and senseless plot twist.
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Supernatural this week was amusing at time. . .but with the Apocalypse happening and all, I wish they'd get back to the main storyline and all. The continued emphasis on monster of the week type episodes really bog things down--case in point, the Paris Hilton episode. Still though, the whole LARPing episode was worth it, I think.
On a completely different note, Fringe needs to stop with random monster of the week episodes and get on with its arc. Supernatural can rely on self-enclosed episodes because the episodes often prove entertaining and can rely on strong leads (well, at least it can rely on Jensen Ackles.)
Fringe's problem is that its strongest character is a secondary one, and the episodes don't have the kind of solid execution that Supernatural sometimes has. . .and as a result the self-enclosed episodes generally suck. As I recall, the majority of Fringe's good S1 episodes were the ones where they actually addressed the war between 2 worlds arc.
Also, more evidence that Fringe writers are stealing from X-Files: the concept of this week's episode was basically lifted from the X-Files show about "the Pusher," who could mind control people, and forced Mulder into a long involved manhunt for him. At least Fringe is copying from a decent source. -
Is it perfect? Hell no. But c'mon. It's a lot better than much of the stuff out there today and is a solid piece of Sci-fi. After Fox taking Dollhouse, don't let ABC take away Flash Forward!
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Because, Jay's gotta eat!
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I think it was last season. However, they do explain why he doesn't like to wear them."Bones starting sucking when they started pushing the love interest between the two main characters."Agreed. Whenever it comes up I get a "Moonlighting" vibe from the show (not the good kind). Never liked the Angela/Hodgins relationship either. One of the things I like about CSI - they tend to stay away from exploring the characters' personal relationships. If I want to watch something about people who work together getting it on, I'll watch Grey's Anatomy (or porn).
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OMG it is so much better than the American Office. I haven't watched a single episode this season. No interest in Pam and Jim's marriage. Am I missing anything beside this. I do love Andy. He's replaced Dwight in douchebaggy geekness.
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He assassinates people and then he cracks jokes with his little waif friend?
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FlashForward is super tedious, I think it's the first time I've given up on a TV series so early in its run. I read the book on which the series is based, totally different and better for it. The book is more of a jumping of point so don't read it expecting any of the same story.
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It's called an "homage"- look it up in the dictionary.
The very first ep this season featured a flash of the X-Files on screen. Virtually this entire season could be considered homage- shape-shifting assassins from "another place", creepy humanoid living under the ground, the "shadow man" from the previous ep - not to mention the congressional hearings trying to shut down their division- all of this can be considered an extension of some of the themes of the X-Files. I would not call it a rip-off, however. -
OT: love the Face/Off between Harry and the Goat above..
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"I didn't tell you to take..." "...your breath away>?!" "Yeah." "Yeah."
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Starring Steve Carell and that 30 Rock woman. http://tinyurl.com/ya3acsc There will be an AICN article featuring this trailer in about two weeks by Merrick.
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..and he knows it!! Also, Flashforward STILL hasn't gone ANYWHERE!!
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We found out last week you could change your fast forward. We also got more information on who the man was that was awake during the FF. Fringe, eh, it's like Supernatural - the same shit every week.
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I understand that it is sort of a spin-off of The Office. But, why did they need to get a guy who looks and acts exactly like John Krasinski to play the Jim role?
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...is obviously going to be killed by Red John and the case will go back to Lisbon's team. I'm guessing sometime during November sweeps cuz that's how TV show work.
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Totally lazy shit. Just 1 character visits the spinoffs, and it's the new guy no less. That's not a trilogy, that's just a guest spot with a theme. Meanwhile, Jay Leno hemorrhages nearly half the audience he got from his lead-in. Way to go Jay, squandering NBC resources like there's no tomorrow. And maybe with everything riding on you, NBC won't have one.
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when people actually know it's on.
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jimbojones123 said: Bosco revealed subtly as Red John on last shot Of the Mentalist. Red Herring or not???
Its all my fault for not watching it yet, but if you're going to drop that plot twist right away, i'd appreciate a spoiler warning... i don't blame you at all, though, because (i haven't read the rest of the talkback) you were just trying to bring up a big moment to spark discussion of a show that deserves to be discussed--especially with that bomb dropped. -
ITS ALWAYS SUNNY CHRISTMAS SPECIAL
fyi, its already hit the internet... a dvd rip too, which means they can say fuck... there were two moments in particular (amongst an entire forty minutes of hilarious comedy gold) but there were two of the most appalling comedic moments i've ever seen... its never been a clean show even a little, i didn't think it possible but those two moments of shocking comedy could very well give me nightmares... find it get it laugh from start to finish. -
herc said: "Once again, the only Big Five show "Leno" managed to beat Thursday was "Supernatural."Since when is the CW part of the 'big five?' I'd like to know if ANY CW SHOW has EVER beaten a major network show in a primetime slot...I do seem to remember a major network show that had trouble competing with CW... it was some show called Dollhouse... i'll go out on a limb here and make the bold prediction that a cancellation is imminent.
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if TV Execs were smart, ONE of them, ANY of them, would move a show to Tuesday nights... there is NOTHING on tuesdays.
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Amy P. is a dead ringer of Michael Scott, If you ask me...
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Just watched the Always Sunny Xmas Special. Quite a good time. Hardly as appalling as you stated. Plus, buying just 45 minutes on DVD seems like a total rip off anyways.
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Amy Poehler's character is a female Michael Scott, no doubt. But, at least they changed it up by making the character female. There is no difference at all between Jim and his Parks' doppleganger. It's kind of creepy actually. Even his story arc is exactly the same and his girlfriends' ex is the same actor as Pam's ex (correct me if I'm wrong).
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No, different guy (Parks ex was, kinda, Summer's ex on the OC) although they do look alike, kind of like Jim and the Jim guy on Parks.Ryanbraun14, to further your argument, Leno does not go head-to-head among the so-called "big five". Fox & The CW don't program 10:00pm. So, while Leno did pull higher numbers than Supernatural, he did it up against Private Practice & The Mentalist. Supernatural's audience chose it over Grey's, CSI, Office/Parks & Rec, and Fringe. Besides, there should be a certain amount of handicapping for CW shows. There are a lot more NBC affiliates than CW ones out there. Kind of like last week's box office. Sure, Christmas Carol won the weekend with a B.O. take of $30 million, and Precious came 12th with only $1.875 million. However, CC opened on 3,683 screens; Precious on 18. CC, while winning the weekend, averaged $8,000 / screen; Precious, per screen, took in an average of $104,000. Which was the more popular film depends on how you interpret those numbers.
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...about LENO HAS THE SAME NUMBERS TWO DAYS IN A ROW!!!! Or PARKS AND RECREATION DOWN A POINT AGAIN!!!! EEK!! EEK!! I SEE A MOUSE!!! COMMUNITY DOWN!!! WHERE'S MY COFFEE!!! Child, please. It's getting a little tedious. Just report the facts and quit being such a drama queen.
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I'm always surprised that TV folk seem to want ONLY very high ratings or doom to a show. Why can't we have a variety of shows? What is the deal with the under-49? Most of them don't have money to spend anyway! We're all different---and there should be a vast number of viewing choices.
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The networks are just the singing for their supper. For some reason advertisers want to reach that demographic and the networks are obliged to find it. If the advertisers woke up and thought that the demo to reach must be 35 to 65 then programming would change faster than you could see it.
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and Thursday is the big advertising night because films open on Friday, why then are most movies PG-13? I always hear film studios cater to teenagers because they have the disposable income to waste on whatever is current or new and are easily influenced. If that's true, wouldn't the 13-17 crowd be the desired demographic, at least for certain advertisers?
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That guy ought to get his own TV show. "Survivor" is awesome this season.
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It is Very Raw speculation. Nobody else noticed or agreed. Just sharing what I saw and how I saw it.
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At least I don't think so. It's either President Logan or a character we have yet to be introduced to. But he is probably going to get killed in episode 10,11 or so. Right now they're trying to develop his character, make him more likeable so his death will have a bigger impact.
But that's just my prediction. We'll see how it goes soon enough.
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I mean come on, actually far from subtle, they are laying the red herring clues on way too thick to try and get you to think Bosco might be Red John, when it is still far more likely to be Gregory Itzin's character. I mean just tonight they had Bosco drive Jane around in a red car, almost every time they were in a scene together they tried to put something red or red related about, and, in case all that was still too subtle, in the final scene they paned across a book shelf that had a book about communists (the red threat...) on it, Jane was reading from a red book on the couch, and the scene faded with a blurred red disolve. Personally I think it's all smoke and mirrors to get people to stop thinking it's probably Itzin, which it probably still is.If they had any real balls though, you know who'd make a great Red John reveal? Lisbon. After all, she's about the only person on the show that has any control over Jane at all, and we even don't know the exact circumstances of how Jane became part of Lisbon's team, just the general reason why he started working for the CBI. Of course you could also have one of the other team members be Red John, the seemingly not so bright Rigsby for instance, but I don't think it would be anywhere near as neat. Like I said though, I doubt they'd have the balls to do anything like that, and more likely it's Gregory Itzin's character of Minelli, or even someone not yet shown on the show, or who did a single guest appearance in season one sometime, in traditional mystery by-the-numbers lameness.
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I have a feeling Russell will find the third one.
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best show on tv.
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How do the ratings work. Do only those shows that are watched 'live' count? For instance, our house watches Bones, Fringe, Flash Forward, and CSI. Rarely do we watch any of them live, as we are normally watching the show from the previous hour (or night) on DVR. With the advent of TiVo and DVR, how can these ratings really reflect how popular a show truly is? Just curious.
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This weeks Fringe looks unmissable. It is finally the Observer episode we've been waiting for :-)
Survivor this year has to be the best season in a long time. Russel has been mesmerizingly great to watch. -
FOX nonchalantly panned a couple times to The Observers in the middle of a bunch a cheese heads...with out any elaboration. (nice promo idea)
..In the other universe...The Packers didn't get rid of Brett Favre...
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Oh, you Brettcha.
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