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SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES’ Josh Friedman Teaming With Drew Barrymore To Revive CHARLIE’S ANGELS For ABC??
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ABC is close to ordering a new “Charlie’s Angels” pilot from writer-producer Josh Friedman, who was Steven Spielberg's screenwriter on "War of the Worlds."
Friedman is no stranger to hot girls with guns, having masterminded Fox’s “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.”
Drew Barrymore, who starred in and produced the two “Angels” movies co-starring Cameron Diaz and Lucy Liu, is producing the new TV version as well.
This is at least the third attempt to revive the franchise for TV. The failed “Angels 88” was pitched to Fox 12 years before the first movie hit big screens. A 2004 script penned by Carlton Cuse for ABC failed to move forward just before Cuse was recruited into “Lost.”
TV remakes have a terrible track record, with “Bionic Woman,” “Knight Rider” and “Eastwick” all dying quick deaths. “Battlestar Galactica” and “90210” enjoy longer runs but neither attracts blockbuster ratings.
Fun fact. Big screen producer-director McG moved in the opposite direction from Friedman, from "Charlie's Angels" to "Terminator."
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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And within the first 5 minutes she gets half of her head blown off to reveal that she's a Terminator. Cameron lives, fuckers!
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Please, that was the weakest part about the laggy middle section of Season 2 (aside from the Cromartie's final mission in Mexico bit, that kicked ass. And it was logical, too. You couldn't do a show about Terminators and have the main Terminator baddie just keep missing constantly. Balsy move to "kill him off" and inventive way to bring him back. Ditto for how they did up Reese at the end.)
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I've, in this very talkback, finally discovered evidence of a first-person encounter with the Sarah Connor Chronicles! Now that we've found the show's lone viewer, we can finally begin our attempts to uncover some of the ugly truths behind this most hideous beast!
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It was a storyline about 3 fucking dots which dragged out an entire season with a lame payoff that it was a computer hard drive. Seriously, that is not good drama. But I really don't see why I should explain it to a nimrod like you when your post was, literally, "Haters are rednecks with guns for brains and brains for eatin'." Seriously, are you just retarded or did you get dropped on your head? Frequently?
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Told you!!! You can take that Charlie's Angels premise and do smart things with it, T&A with an intellect, and smart stories mixed with grounded action. Everything that Dollhouse wanted to be, but who's concept its creator over-thought, and outsmarted himself on???!!! The original Charlie's Angels show, although about cheese cake and thus selling ass, was actually so very smarter than that horrible series of movies that were the show in name only. It was like Alias, though not nearly as smart or elegant, compared to Dumb and Dumber, which were the films. My point is, the stories of the original Charlie's Angels series, were fluid, and had a beginning, middle, and end...and were easy to follow and stuck to their mission statement, which was to provide softcore T&A and action adventure. Now, picture that very same formula with better, more serious actresses, and better...and smarter dialogue...and you've got yourself a hit series.
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The Charlie's Angels films were horrible tonally, and every other way, as well, they were horribly miscast, directed, and produced, featuring hyper-unrealistic fantasy action. The films could have, and should have, been so much more. They should have been taken seriously...I don't mind an occassional wink and a smile, but any humor in them should have been organtically born out of any given situation, however, Charlie's Angels the movie...and its sequel were turned into campy tween comedies that were a combination of Spy Kids meets the live action Josie and The Pussycats, Scoobie Doo, and Lara Croft. However, they should have been more like Alias meets Bourne Identity...with the relationship melodrama of Grey's Anatomy mixed in??? Hopefully, you will give us something more adult. I don't mind softcore cheese cake, afterall, sex sells, and I am all for it, but it has to be done with some sense of real maturity and quality control, even Aaron Spelling knew that, the reason why his original series was so far better than the movies, or any of the remake or copycat shows.
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"YAY! They are doing 'X'!!"
"But 'X' should be more like 'Y'"
"they should have been more like Alias meets Bourne Identity"
Fucking hilarious dude. Your hard-on for Alias remakes and clones, is like a viagra commercial.
You may have inadvertently given birth to a new meme: Where every review starts with "It was okay, but it should have been more like Alias" -
You can make a mint with that.
If you cant get them then go with Jodi Lyn O'Keefe, Holly Valance, and Stacy Kiebler
Ray Wise can be Charlie.
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...mood, not direct story arc elements, just the serious tone of works like Bourne Identity and Alias; you'll also note that I mentioned the relationship melodrama aspects of Greys Anatomy...which you so obviously and conveniently ignored...in order to serve your own agenda? I would also point to a show like Mercy, the intelligent nuances as seen in each of the latter 3 works, both large and great, as reflected in the relationships of the characters, and their personal lives...round the shows, emotionally. That is just a smart view of how this series, or any other of this genre, should be handled...as you don't want something with the embarrassing campy vibe of the Charlie's Angels movies, as it will instantly sink in the ratings.
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Dumb idea dumb idea dumb idea....the movies were awful!! This is going to be Sex in the City with guns! And no, despite the fact that is sounds great - it won't be....horrible horrible horibble...(apologies to the anal retards out there for my punctuation mistakes, spelling mistakes...or whatever crap mistakes you anal nerds get high catching)
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Even though this is a bad idea...Ray Wise as Charlie is simply sublime casting...excellent!
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I loved the over the top crazy ADD silliness of the movies. That first action scene in Full Throtle with the falling truck and helicopter is prepestorous... and awesome. I don't want grounded plotlines. Bring on the mad scientists and evil dictators.
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DO NOT TAKE 'CHARLIE'S ANGELS' SERIOUSLY. Do not make them federal agents tracking home grown terrorists and serial killers. Do not saddle them with angst.
The tone of the movies was GREAT. A couple of weeks ago I found myself wishing they'd make a third film. But a new TV series would be fantastic. -
only is was called "She Spies?"
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here's an idea...take the ORIGINAL scripts update the dialog and RE-FILM THEM...how hard is that? You got 5 seasons worth of scripts ready to go.......
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If they don't go in the drection that I am suggesting, they should use the original scripts from the original TV series, and update the dialogue as you said, but with one difference, they should cast some truly great actresses in those roles.
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Well, actually, you can if you want to. What could I do about it?
Put Tricia Helfer, Missy Peregrym, and Mila Kunis in this and you've got Jill, Sabrina & Kelly. Or add Kerry Washington for some diversity.
For the twist, cast Kristin Chenoweth as Bosley.
And i thought the same thing about "She Spies", which I kinda' dug as mindless late-night TV. -
Um...Isn't the show over now? I distinctly remember a very underwhelming final episode.
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Can't we do any better than this.
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1) They were going to make a show called Angels '88 in 1998?
2) How does an announcement that Josh Friedman is going to work on a new Charlie's Angels series prove Media Messiah right about anything that he would start his post, "Told you!". -
Your mistake was expecting anything posted by Media Messiah to make sense. A rookie mistake, which I think we've all made at some point.
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then that'll give giggle-tv a whole better meaning.
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. . . some old hag has-been from a prime-time soap as Charlie . . . and put a dog in it.
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It's astonishing how bad your ideas are. Make CA just like every other movie/series terrified of being goofy. The idea of a hot female action hero is pretty out there to begin with, the movies treated it the only way it can be treated. Unrealistically.
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Replace Eliza Dushku with Carla Gugino, and Jaime Pressly with Tricia Helfer, and I agree. I also like zer0cool2k2 idea of Missy Peregrym; and if not Chenoweth as Bosley, have her as a recurring villain.
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Nov 13, 2009 1:32:28 PM CST
I like Missy and i love Gugino... but the age is not right.
by dailysportspages
Helfer, Gugino, etc... are pushing 40, and Missy is in her early 20's.
I think its best to cast women right around 30. The ones i put up were all born in 1979 or 1980.
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Whedon doesn't get to play with an Angel's remake, it goes to the Terminator guy instead. So Whedon makes up his own Charlie's AngelsWithLobotomies. But now that Dollhouse has tanked, I wonder what Whedon's next little freakout will be.
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...like pureeing Ted McGinley and the proverbial Shark in a blender and pouring it into tight skimpy outfits for a season or two before it dies.
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He kind of reminds me of a Chris Stevens quote from NX, originally about comparing someone to the muddy Mississip' "He's deep where you expect him to be shallow, and shallow where you expect him to be deep."
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...as well as No Return ( or its orignal version Le Femme Nikita). See that movie or the original, and you will change you mind about how films and TV series should be handled in regard to female action heroes.
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His TV version of Terminator was a smart effort. I had raised the spector of a T&A series before...some weeks, or months, ago and referenced Charlie's Angels in the Dollhouse Talkback...to suggest how such a series can be done right--however, a few days ago, before the new Charlie's Angels series was announced, another poster in the Dollhouse Talkbacks referenced the original Charlie's Angels...and I replied--as a continuing effort to highlight what I was talking about in regard to my views that Joss Whedon thoroughly mishandled Dollhouse. My point was/is...that it should have been more Charlie's Angels (the original) instead of the over-thought and clumsy bore that was Dollhouse. As simple as Charlie's Angels was, it was a linear concept that never tripped over itself--and that was smart, the irony of it all. The show was a lite procedural...with all stand alone episodes, although it could have easily encompassed a wider story arc. The mission statement of its creators was to keep the show largely as stand alone...non-sequential episodes...for syndication, convenient way to lure and keep viewers, regular, non-regular, or new (first time viewers). Yes, a smart move! You sure can't do that with Dollhouse, not in its inital run repeats, or when it hts syndication as t iis so dense and involved...if you look away for a minute, quite literally, you just don't know what is going on, and can lose track of the story or a crucial turn in the story...and that just isn't wise story plotting? Now, my point is, Dollhouse didn't work with its main over-riding story arc, whatever that was, as I am sure by my personally watching every episode...that even Joss Whedon doesn't know what the supposed ongoing story of his own TV series is about, and the show certainly didn't work in the few stand alone episodes that it had, either? The show was too bysantine for any wider audience to tune-in to...and jump into the series...at any given time, this is the era of channel surfing afterall, and the show was too labrynthine for its own regular viewers to get into; a repeated complaint leveled by most Dollhouse viewers...who are longtime Whedon fans? Check the fan sites for yourself!!! My point in bringing-up Charlie's Angels was to show, by example, that famed writer/producer Aaron Spelling was able to handle an action series about females...without over complicating matters, and out-smarting...and confusing himself...and or...his viewers, so why couldn't Joss Whedon? Dollhouse got so heady...and so self-involved, that it collapsed into what felt like a series of losely pieced together story vignettes...parts of a greater puzzle that weren't ever expounded upon by its creator? We never got the sense that there was a greater story arc, or any real central concept other than the Dollhouse being a high-tech house of protitution providing rich white men with rape fantasies? There were no protagonists on the show, and no antagonists--can you explain that??? And you call my ideas stupid? Please!!! Even Aaron Spelling was smart enough to remember the number one writer's rule, you have to have protagonists for your audience to identify with...and root for, and you have to have an antagonist for people to root against. Charlie's Angels had that, stand-alone episode, after...stand alone episode. It was a procedural that worked in the frame of a crime anthology...but one with five continuing characters...our 3 female leads, their handler, and Charlie, the voice on the phone. As simple as the show was, it was clever enough to keep it simple, stick to the show being about T&A, with a mix of mystery and action...and that is why it worked! Dollhouse failed because it didn't know what it wanted to be, from moment to moment???
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Nov 13, 2009 7:14:42 PM CST
Mini Arc to start a season, Mini Arc to end a season...
by dailysportspages
And stand alone episodes the rest of the way.
The mini arc at the start of the show can set the tone for the series, as well as the overall mythology of the show.
Just 2 or 3 episodes.
Then you get into pure stand alone episodes that do not advance the plot of the meta story at all. Maybe you drop some hints, some foreshadowing, etc... here and there, but you keep the shows self contained.
Then you do another mini arc at seasons end that ties back to the original mini arc from the start of the season.
Hell, you can even then sell the DVD of those two mini arcs as one big movie.
That final arc advances the plot of the series a lot, and it sets things up for the following season.
And by then you should have garnered for yourself a nice audience.
Keeping the show a stand alone show for the meat of the season will allow casual viewers to give it more of a chance, and even become hooked.
Then you can slowly incorporate more of the mythology in the second season.
A 3 episode arc to start the season, a 3 episode arc at midseason, and a 3 episode arc to close the season.
And then for season three you can put in a 3 episode arc for the midseason hiatus, and then another 3 episode arc when the season starts back up again. Making it four arcs for season three, for a total of 12 mythology episodes. Roughly half a season.
Then the 4th season could be mostly mythology, with a few stand alone episodes in here and there.
Finally the 5th season should be all mythology in order to cap off the series and end the storyline.
Thats how you can start, keep, and grow an audience in my opinion.
Genre shows should follow this type of formula so they dont lose the audience by episode 7.
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Unless there is graphic nudity...it's been done before.
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Nov 13, 2009 9:55:18 PM CST
"Angels 88 pitched to Fox 2 years before the first movie hit big
by jettl93
Epic math fail there Herc. are you dense or just some kind of retard?
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terrible second year where it became a chase show.
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It would be nice to see a non-rated version of a show of this genre...one with cursing, nudity and graphic sex, as it would add an extra mature dimension to it.
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People assuming this will somehow be some serious, James Bond / Jason Bourne kind of show. Come on, folks. It always seems unwise to me to assume any producers or writers or directors are going to adapt something and make it good. It happens, but rarely. "Bionic Woman" had potential, for example, but no one knew how to write it, I guess.
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the only place where Dollhouse "wanted to be" Charlie's Angels was in the sad, delusional head of Media Messiah. In my many years of AICN talkbacking, there has never been anyone so stuck in their own imaginary world.
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...but leave Drew out of the show. Please.
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Charlie's Angels, the original series was consistent in its vision. It was T&A...with a family friendly bend to it, but always with a seamy subtext that adults could read, but one that completely flew-over the heads of children. That was Aaron Spelling's brilliance. The show was not overly complicated, by design. He made a deal with the network for a simple T&A fest, mixed with the high-stakes melodrama of a detective show--it was essentially Hugh Hefner, using the Playboy Mansion as a front to run some agency of avengers, in the form of 3 specially trained women. His vision was clear, and there wasn't much pathos and bysantine thinking, ala Dollhouse...to get in the way of itself, its message of selling booty, its success, or the ratings. People in the Mid-West and the South are largely dumb and backwards thinkers--and that is the meanstream American audience, hence, a show has to function on two levels to lure audiences, it must be simple on its face--Charlie's Angels being the original Hooters, but the hidden subtext of the show was quite darker, seamy, sordid, and subversive, that being the hidden part of the series, meant to appeal to the inner psychology of the intellectual mind...concerning our subconscious sexual instincts driven by sexual politics--dominance versus submission, equality versus sexual, ecomonic, politcal, relgious, and societal reality...that being the smart part of the show. That was the part of the show that played well on the coastal regions, thus attracting people who anything but dumb in those areas of the country.Dollhouse, however, was so impressed with itself...intellectually speaking, that it forgot to entertain, the first thing that a show must do, is entertain. It also forgot large amounts of action? No...Dollhouse was tremendously uneven and sporadic like no one was at the helm steering it? It had no heroes, no villains, just horny rich white men willing to pay for ass, and people willing to sell it to them. The entire series was a gray area--and sense all the dolls agreed to be there, how can you feel sorry for them, it is what they wanted...to be semen receptacles...and human sex toys, and objects of sexual torture and abuse? Some people are into that, and as adults they had a right to sign-up for it. Hell, they do it in Nevada, legally??? Dollhouse didn't know what it wanted to be, nor did its creators know what it was, apparently? Charlie's Angels was just all about selling ass, and action...with no apologies. They kept a pulse with the stories, and moved them along fast. Dollhouse on the other hand...was ponderously slow, often serving-up B or C story revelations and backstory contemplations as A story plots, pushing the action elements and any linear plotting to B story and C story secondary positions? The show was like a Jackson Pollack painting, in terms of ideas, it was all over the place, the reason why Charlie's Angels was a hit, and Dollhouse wasn't???!!!Why you keep attacking me for simply pointing-out what should be obvious to everyone, that the King Has No Clothes...is your issue--still, I was, and am...right about my observations.
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Charlie's Angels, the original series was consistent in its vision. It was T&A...with a family friendly bend to it, but always with a seamy subtext that adults could read, but one that completely flew-over the heads of children. That was Aaron Spelling's brilliance. The show was not overly complicated, by design. He made a deal with the network for a simple T&A fest, mixed with the high-stakes melodrama of a detective show--it was essentially Hugh Hefner, using the Playboy Mansion as a front to run some agency of avengers, in the form of 3 specially trained women. His vision was clear, and there wasn't much pathos and bysantine thinking, ala Dollhouse...to get in the way of itself, its message of selling booty, its success, or the ratings. People in the Mid-West and the South are largely dumb and backwards thinkers--and that is the meanstream American audience, hence, a show has to function on two levels to lure audiences, it must be simple on its face--Charlie's Angels being the original Hooters, but the hidden subtext of the show was quite darker, seamy, sordid, and subversive, that being the hidden part of the series, meant to appeal to the inner psychology of the intellectual mind...concerning our subconscious sexual instincts driven by sexual politics--dominance versus submission, equality versus sexual, ecomonic, politcal, religious, and societal reality...that being the smart part of the show. That was the part of the show that played well on the coastal regions, thus attracting people who are anything but dumb in those areas of the country.Dollhouse, however, was so impressed with itself...intellectually speaking, that it forgot to entertain, the first thing that a show must do, is entertain. It also forgot large amounts of action? No...Dollhouse was tremendously uneven and sporadic like no one was at the helm steering it? It had no heroes, no villains, just horny rich white men willing to pay for ass, and people willing to sell it to them. The entire series was a gray area--and since all the dolls agreed to be there, how can you feel sorry for them, it is what they wanted...to be semen receptacles...and human sex toys, and objects of sexual torture and abuse? Some people are into that, being used, and using others, and as adults they had a right to sign-up for it. Ever heard of the "Girlfriend Experience?" Hell, they do it in Nevada, legally...every day and night backed by the power of the U.S. government to shore-up the gambling casinos and hotels, morals have nothing to do with it, hypocrisy, however, has everything to do with it??? Dollhouse didn't know what it wanted to be, nor did its creators know what it was, apparently? Charlie's Angels was just all about selling ass, and action...with no apologies. They kept a pulse with the stories, and moved them along fast. Dollhouse on the other hand...was ponderously slow, often serving-up B or C story revelations and backstory contemplations as A story plots, pushing the action elements and any linear plotting to B story and C story secondary positions? The show was like a Jackson Pollack painting, in terms of ideas, it was all over the place, the reason why Charlie's Angels was a hit, and Dollhouse wasn't???!!!
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Summer Glau as an Angel-1. Eliza Dushku as Angel-2. Jenny McCarthy as Bosley. I now open the floor to other possible nominations.
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why do there have to be only 3 girls though. that is a big mistake. open it up for a whole platoon of angels. all super hot and kicking ass. name a girl you would like to see on the show. yup she's in. guest appearance or regular. on my show there is room for all hot ass bitches. take that Aaron Spelling you dead hack fuck. your daughters a pig;)
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Those three actresses would be my pick.
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Grace Park, Moon Bloodgood and Devon Aoki.
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You both need to learn how to read. It says that Angels88 was pitched 12 years before the movies NOT 2. 2000-12=1988.
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That's been changed. It originally had "2 years".
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