"You'll be hard-pressed to find a huger fan of 'The Dark Tower' than me, but that's probably the reason that I shouldn't be the one to adapt it," he revealed. "After working six years on 'Lost,' the last thing I want to do is spend the next seven years adapting one of my favorite books of all time. I'm such a massive Stephen King fan that I'm terrified of screwing it up. I'd do anything to see those movies written by someone else. My guess is they will get made because they're so incredible. But not by me."I see where he's coming from as a Dark Tower fan... it's a damn hard adaptation, especially getting into the later books. That said I was kind of interested to see how someone with the power JJ Abrams has after such a successful run would bring about the adaptation. I can't imagine a studio ponying up the budget these films would need while keeping the harshness of the world. I mean... there's demon-rape in these books. Not exactly big-budget friendly PG-13 material. Maybe some day someone will be able to convince HBO to fully finance and execute this as a limited series. And if that day comes it'll surely be after Stephen King writes another Dark Tower book, something I didn't think would ever happen. Apparently at a talk/book signing for his newest, Under the Dome (which I'm 100 pages into at the moment and loving the hell out of), King was asked about revisiting the Dark Tower universe and he said he wanted to write one more book that takes place between Wizard and Glass and Wolves of the Calla. The moderator of the Stephen King message board confirmed this and elaborated:
Stephen has given me permission to pass along that he has an idea for a new Dark Tower book, the working title of which will be THE WIND THROUGH THE KEYHOLE. He has not yet started this book and anticipates that it will be a minimum of eight months before he is able to begin writing it.Is it time to dance in the streets? Maybe for me. That period between Wizard and Glass and Wolves of the Calla is significant... it's when King was hit by the van and almost died. The tone of the series shifted there. So, I wonder if that means we get more of the Roland, Eddie, Susannah, Jake and Oy ka-tet story or if we get more of Roland, Cuthbert and Alain. I hope for more of the previous as the Dark Tower comics from Marvel have covered a ton of the latter. I've always felt that there were adventures on the road to the Calla that went untold. The always dependable Stephen King fansite Lilja's Library has video from the event which I've embedded below. It also includes King saying that Under the Dome will be made at HBO (be successful and maybe we'll see Dark Tower!), King's new comic book American Vampire, the possibility of one more Bachman manuscript lying around and that he wrote a script for CELL. "I got so many complaints about the end of the book that I changed everything." (Anybody have a copy of that?!? I'd kill to read it! Not literally, but almost!)
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST
by Baron Karza
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST
You know it to be true.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST
It would take forever to adapt the full series.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
Do it R-rated on HBO stretched out over several seasons or forget it.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
Can't wait to dig in. King's best works are often the ones about an entire town (Castle Rock, Derry, Haven, Salem's Lot, ect.) with a large cast of characters.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST
That would rock actually! I should really work in the biz.
"he wanted to write one more book that takes place between Wizard and Glass and Wolves of the Calla"...AKA, the place where the magnificent Dark Tower series totally went off the rails. I think he needs to just start over from WAG and make an entirely new, much more epic ending...without modern-day Stephen King interludes, out of place Civil Rights era flashbacks, and with Mordred being less of a pussy.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST
ill have to get involved
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST
by Baron Karza
Does it piss in front of you?
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST
I felt the DT limped toward the finish line in the last 3 books. Wonderful set-pieces and texture about the worlds on the Beam, but I felt the plotting and the pacing mirrored the near-tapped out exhaustion of Roland by the final volume. I guess it could have only ended how it did, and King has lived with this for decades - which is why his appearances in the fiction didn't jar at all for me - and is probably glad to be shot of it and I'm grateful for the ride, but I think he knows it didn't live up to the epic promise. And nor would any screen adaptation. But the man tried and he continues to put it all out there for us. Fabulous storyteller.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST
or not at all. Have Stephen King give his approval every step of the way, rate it R, get quality actors who are fans of the books and get a director who isn't afraid to mkae their mark on the series. I think its a bit of double talk for JJ to say he doesn't want to screw up Dark Tower, but he takes on Star Trek without the same worries?? at least King is still alive and you could talk to him about an adaptation. Gene Roddenberry is dead.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST
Damon Lindelof is the guy who actually said that.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST
He has directed and written more episodes of Fringe than LOST.<p>He collects the royalty checks for using his name and because he got the project greenlit when nobody had heard of Lindelof.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST
Agree with you on the irony of that commen...but then again, I loved the Star Trek movie...but then again, I never liked any Star Trek TV series...but then again, the way I heard it Abrams (who was also not a fan of the TV series) wanted to make "a Star Trek movie that I (Abrams) would want to see."
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST
I should basically just copy-and-pasted your entire post; I agree 100%. DT is my favorite series of books.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST
And I am LOVING it. It's got a vintage King feel to it that I've missed (although I still enjoy all his recent works, Duma Key was cool).<br> I was really, really pissed about the ending of DT when I first read it, but now, several years down the line I get it. I see the ending as being written not by King the author, but by the character of King, ensuring that Roland, the Tower and the Beams all survive. (I hope that makes sense to all who have read the books).<br> I also really, really hope that this book follows Eddie and co because they were without doubt the most interesting characters in the story.<br> Also, you can't make a Dark Tower movie without first making Insomnia and then remaking Hearts In Atlantis.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST
J.J. has not worked on LOST since season 1. MTV got it wrong. What surprise.
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST
Lindelof said he doesnt want to make it. Abrams is the one who said he and Lindelof arent "looking at that right now."
Nov. 12, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST
Yep, exactly right. Good on you for finally admitting it.
Nov. 13, 2009, midnight CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST
The Dark Tower ending was a fucking betrayal. Now he has to go back to the well?
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST
Seriously. I've always loved the way King connected a lot of his stories in the same universe, and those connections that were in Insomnia and Hearts In Atlantis were among my favorite. I thought I was just about alone in my love for Insomnia in particular, but I guess not. Sadly, those references and connections never really did pay off very satisfactorily...
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST
by Read and Shut Up
...truthfully, the guy hasn't written anything remotely scary or well thought out since "Pet Sematary." That was the last SK book where he really had a flash of that brilliant 70s King. <p> <p> I read the DT books, and enjoyed them - to a point. Unfortunately, he strayed so far off the tracks so many times it felt less like reading them to enjoy them and more like reading them because I'd invested so much time in...well, reading them. <p> <p> So, let HBO do a 24-part mini series around the DT. Hugh Jackman as Roland, Guillermo del Toro directs and this whole thing - even the last three crappy books - turns out pretty damn good.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST
You didn't think that was well thought out or scary? I thought it was easily his best in years. I mean come on....no love for the bat autopsy scene at least?? <P> I do agree that the last three tower books were a disappointment. That doesn't mean the adadaptations couldn't be better though.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:41 a.m. CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST
if King is back in top form again, I'm interested. His son Joe Hill is doing better SK than SK is at the moment. As far as the DT is concerned, not too sure about a new book, though if it is with Eddie and the rest of the gang I'm in. I don't need any more Cuthbert stuff, the comics are filling up that need. And the movie? If it can't be done right, don't make it, for christs sake. There have been too many crappy SK movies that the holiest of holies should not have to suffer the same fate.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST
....and his new stuff is all pretty bad. I couldn't even shell out the $9 for Under the Dome because I don't trust the guy anymore. I read Salem's Lot for a second time on an airplane last summer and it was incredible even a second time around. Not sure I'm interested in reading his newer, weaker stuff when I can re-read some of the old stuff that I really liked when I was a teenager.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
All the foreshadowing and shit in the first four books never went anywhere. The "beast" in the tower at the end, Roland having to do battle with the ageless stranger, all that crap about the the "bright tower" in wizard and glass. And the worst crime was Flagg went out like a chump.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST
Mattman - I totally felt like the ending was a cop out. Yesterday I was explaining to my girlfriend why I love Stephen King books and how cool it was that he wrote himself into his novels. It was then, as I was saying how much the ending of the Tower books sucked that I realised that maybe the last two books were written "in character" so to speak. Yes it is a bit of a cop-out, but it makes me feel better at least. King is a genius - I'm sure there is more to those last two books than I can understand, but my theory works for me.<br> Somerichs - Hearts In Atlantis is one of his greatest novels I feel and I was really looking forward to seeing the movie. I thought that Hopkins as Brautigan was great casting. Then I saw the movie. Crushed that they cut all the good stuff from it.<br> You are definately not alone in the Insomnia love, and you have to make it into a movie before or during the DT series (or franchise) because the character of Patrick needs to be explained.<br> On a side note, have you read Black House by King & Straub? That's got some cool ties to The Territories too.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST
See above. And I'm pretty bummed.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST
the last 3 DT books are better. Wolves I enjoyed just fine when it came out, Songs was the best of the 3, and TDT was a little disappointing. BUT, they have aged well. And I agree tolomey that they were written more by the character SK than the actual SK, good call. That's probably the best way to describe it, as fucking weird as it is.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST
I agree, Flagg should never have gone down the way he did. I was gutted, totally gutted.<br> I still hope that the walking dude will return some day, but I doubt it.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST
IMHO it's one of his best, most overlooked books. He sets everything up beautiful, and for once he gets the obligatory kid character right. And many bits set in the house are actually very scary ...not just gross but scary. <p> Sadly, he manages to screw everything up on the last 100 pages. When he explains where the quote "bag of bones" is taken from, I thought we were going to be in for one hell of a meta-ride. Instead he pulls the same ending he used for Desperation and many other recent books.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST
Duma Key was a great read (save for a bit of a cop-out supernatural ending). Hearts in Atlantis is heart-rending. Buick 8 was messed-up and horrifying. I also enjoyed Cell quite a bit but, yeah, another weak ending (his true achilles heel). Dome just arrived for me today (Thanks AICN for the $9 tipoff!) and it looks really really good. Also, despite my bitching about DT 5-7 above, I did REALLY like the final, final ending. Well deserved, IMO.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST
I highly recommend any of his books, zombie or otherwise. His characters and monsters are fully realized and he captures a younger, edgier SK.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST
Are the only two books that when I finished reading I had to sleep with the light on afterwards. Totally fucking creepy. I'll never shake the image of little Gage from my mind.<br> Christine has it's moments too.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST
Okay, so the problem is at MTV site where they cited the "huger fan" quote from "Abrams" but if you click in the link, it's a Q & A with Lindelof about Lost. I remember that cause I read that article awhile back. So I have to give you a pass because it's technically MTV's fault, but you gotta be clickin them links, yo. Chop chop!
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST
Been waiting for years for it cause I haven't read the series but I'm considering saying fuck it and either plunking down for each book or maybe (GASP!) heading down to my local library. Maybe sometime in mid-2010.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST
I would love to see a novel about the formation of the Tet Foundation. The little bit we get to see in Book 7 leads me to think that there's a great story about these men bonding and uniting together for the cause of saving the world against the backdrop of, you know, existence slowly fading away. Write it, King!
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST
...at some point said he wanted to go back a re-write the whole DT series to be more in-line with what he ultimately created.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST
I have read Black House, and you're right, that's another one that ties into his whole universe nicely. The Talisman still stands as one of my all time favs from King (Wolf!). As for Insomnia, if they ever did bring DT to the screen (preferably on HBO), I'll bet they could find a way to weave the story of Insomnia into the overall arch of the DT story without missing a beat. Of course talking about all these books means i'm gonna have to now go back and re-read them...AGAIN! :)
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST
Yes, they really did. The main characters became increasingly stupid and unbelievable. The first 3 books are GREAT! (2 is the best)but book four started the downward spiral. I just couldnt read anymore after 5, with the total, predictable immaturity of the main characters and their cheezy, cringe-inducing dialoge. It wrecked King for me so much so that I skipped a few later novels only to take a chance on CELL, which I liked but its VERY derivative of others ideas. I am going to read UNDER THE DOME, as it seems like it might be a return to form for King. BTW: His best post-accident novel was BAG OF BONES. Its a mature read, unlike the juvenial crap that was the DARK TOWER series.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST
The lambert directed PET SEMETARY was utter shite-a complete let down on every level but mostly due to the two adult man/wife leads were HORRIBLE BEYOND WORDS! Thats right, ya never heard of em cause they havent been cast in anything for decades. I want to see PET SEMETARY filmed entirely in Black and White-very minimalist-no rock soundtrack-just real sets and tons of dread. Now, as for IT, it needs to be done right as well. Cudos to the ABC TV version-it had its stron points, but it never really captured the spectacle that was IT. The movie really needs to capitalize on the old school monsters conjured by the kids, and they need to re-write every wince-inducing peice of dialoge the character Richie utters. Good lord that dialoge was painful-both in the book and in the film.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST
Forgot about that one. That and BAG OF BONES are the best 'late period' King novels, but BLACK HOUSE (Damn that was original and good) was co-authored by the great Peter Straub, who has a new novel out in early 2010. It looks like a keeper!
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST
Check your facts, and your links, please. Abrams hasn't worked on LOST since season 1. That's Damon Lindelof talking for 99% of that quote. WTF.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST
He left to make MI-III and hasn't looked back since. He'll be the first to point this out. Lindelof and Cuse are humble about it, and generous, but Abrams will make it a big point to show he's had very little to do with the show since creating it. The core mythology? Almost all Lindelof, with help from Cuse.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST
Redhorse, Vshael....just oh so lame. So the books didnt end the way YOU wanted them to end? So they "sucked"? <p> "Betrayal"? Thats rich. Because King personally owed you something, right? He owed you the ending you fabricated in your tiny pre-pubescent brain? It ended the only way it could have. It was his story after all. Grow some balls. <p> "if i'm wrong, explain why they are actually great so i can take a giant shit all over you.." - yeah, anybody with a different opinion needs to be sure to validate it with you, right? Lest they get "shit on"? Douche-drinker.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST
so that they could had given that movie to be made by somebody with a real interest, intelligence and talent.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST
If you make the entire series your lifes focus, and go ON and ON about you must finish it, even if it kills you, etc... and etc... and then you don't even give it an ending? Yes, that's a fucking betrayal.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST
by GibsonUSA Returns
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST
...is not only where King had his accident, but also where the books turned into mawkish, masturbatory meta-fictional rubbish. The absolutely great ending (by which I mean the very, very ending, the coda after the annoying author's note after the epilogue after the awful ending or however it went) was just barely enough to redeem the series as a whole for me after three increasingly awful books. The first four are still excellent, as is the Little Sisters of Eluria short story and what I've read so far of the comics.
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:15 a.m. CST
Good news he's no longer involved. Get a proper filmmaker in now.
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST
You could trim out a lot of stuff from some of the books with out hurting it. In fact it would make the series absolutely stunning, while now it is a bit of a hit and miss.
Nov. 13, 2009, 4:06 a.m. CST
My first signed King book. I creamed my jeans.
Nov. 13, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST
I havent got Under The Dome yet but it sounds epically brilliant. <P> Does anyone else think Duma Key would make a hella scary movie?
Nov. 13, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST
... is that the whole point of the books is that in order for Roland to succeed in his quest, he has to learn to put people first over the material truth - to realize that the lives of his friends matter more than any goal, that human beings are more significant than the rest. And you know what? You are all a bunch of Rolands, those who scream "HOLEE SHEEYIT, WE DIDS NOTS GETS THE ENDINGZ I WANTED, MY PRESHIZZZZZ! DO WANT MATERIALS ENDINGZ! WANT T'KNOW WHAT IZZZZZ BEHINDZ TH'A DORS! SHOWZ MEZ!" Do you not realize that this is the very sort of nasty human trait, the desire to push away all that matters and say "Fuck all these characters, I just wanna see what's in the Tower!' Well, what is in the Tower is your own evil reflected back on you. TIME TO START AT THE BEGINNING AGAIN, YOU MISERABLE FANBOY FUCKS.
Nov. 13, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST
huh huh hurrr.
Nov. 13, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST
Finally someone speaking sense.
Nov. 13, 2009, 5 a.m. CST
It's his most personal series of books, with him being one of the characters. It's like a window into his mind. A new book in the series is always welcome. <p> And regarding the Pet Semetary movie, that someone mentioned above, I thought that was one of the few King movies that was done well. Even down to the soundtrack which was handpicked by King as he's a huge Ramones fan, and he asked them personally to write the title song, which Dee Dee wrote in one day after being given the synopsis of the book.
Nov. 13, 2009, 5:05 a.m. CST
by Conans Sword
your like a starwars fag going on about how lucas raped your childhood, get the fuck over it
Nov. 13, 2009, 5:38 a.m. CST
...be made into movies. They are books that should be consumed as books, not watered-down movie versions. And I love Lost and have total faith in Abrams/Lindelof, but not working on this. So that is good news. And PLEASE let the net Dark Tower book be about the ka-tet! Marvel has done right by Roland's story as a teen, I completely agree.
Nov. 13, 2009, 5:52 a.m. CST
You said it.
Nov. 13, 2009, 6:15 a.m. CST
by Jack Burton
That was easily my favorite of the DT books. Possibly the last time King really was firing on all cylinders. I was stunned by that story and the level of emotion King was able to bring to the love story between Roland and Susan. I greatly enjoyed the entire series, even the ending which I think was inevitable based on all the foreshadowing. But when there wasn't a full battle with the Crimson King or Flagg/Martin I was extremely disappointed. I've said before if they do it as a series or movie it should begin with Roland holding the horn. That would set it apart from the books and would be the new go around so you really could have license to cahnge up the story from the books, ala the Star Trek reboot. I pre-ordered "Under the Dome" despite not having read the last 3 King books. More than anyone, King is great at building up small towns and then putting them through Hell. Needful things and 'salems Lot were both brilliant in that regard. Glad to hear the magic may be back for this one. I just wish Amazon would ship the damn thing.
Nov. 13, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST
Not a bad idea that.
Nov. 13, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST
and even the Waste Lands lost me for a bit with that giant bear. I think King's ideas for this epic were too big for even he to handle. I enjoyed the first two and the romp through Mejis. Just my two cents.
Nov. 13, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST
Any questions I should throw out?
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST
Were all the books even in terms of quality? No, name something epic that is consistent all the way through (unless you are talking about RedHorseVector's love of taking prison cock). There was quite a bit I didn't like in 'Song' and thought it meandered quite a bit, but the baby shouldn't be thrown out with the bath water. Read as a whole, it's an awesome journey, and the end was as it needed to be. YOU describe paradise and see if everyone thinks it's the right definition of it. The ending was brilliant and RedHorseVector, there is no need for anyone to explain to you why they enjoyed the later books quite simply because you don't matter. If you didn't like them, that's fine, other's did, and for you to think we need to justify our opinion makes you a twat, so run and go fuck your self with a garden rake and come back and tell us why you think it sucked.
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST
Your right. I flipped, as well. That isn't JJ Abrams quote, but a Lindelof one. And I like how NO ONE has made a bad comment on Lindelof... because if any of you do, I will find you. And I will kill you.
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST
Adding another book simply doesn't make sense. It's a completed, resolved storyline.
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST
Isn't it pretty much Lindelof's and Cuse's show?
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST
by Sailor Rip
No one. Leave them alone. <p> Unless it's me of course. That would be cool.
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST
Under the Dome just got a great review in the NY Times. Looking forward to reading it.
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST
That is, make a point of showing that Roland has the Horn of Gilead with him at the beginning. That excuses any changes in the adaptation by making it a different turn of the wheel from the books.
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST
is fucking great
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:01 a.m. CST
Small point but here in the UK the cover art is different and well its shite, why do we get lame arse covers to books that I see in American have exciting and dynamic sleeves? what a jip.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST
SO SAYETH THE LOBSTROSITIES.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST
Instead of rewriting what exists, King should start with the ending of The Dark Tower, and write the series from that point on. He could even end it (basically) the same way, but with another suttle change. Then, after 6 or 7 'rewrites' he could give us the real ending.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST
He wasn't afraid of screwing up the Star Trek universe. Why should he fear a King novel.
Because King novels are by and large pretty awesome. Star Trek has been fairly incomprehensible for years.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST
Demon Rape? Like for one second Dark Tower will get a faithful adaption. There will be a single movie with the first couple books shoehorned into a 115 minute narrative. If it's a success maybe two more. And really who cares, do we need a Harry Potter style book for book translation? The second book is 300 pages that consist of trekking through the desert in a wheelchair. Not exactly summer movie fan fare.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST
I agree that the span between Wizard and Glass and Wolves was a big shift. Every book King has written after that has been long winded tripe that revolves around someone getting hit by a van. Shit. Even his TV show focused on a guy getting hit by a van. And the reason any adaptation of the books will end up sucking isn't because King is such a nuanced and complex writer. It's because from Wizard on, the books were nothing but 500 pages of the characters sitting on their asses telling stories. Then by sheer coincidence, something in those stories happens to help them solve the 50 pages of actual happenings...and they move on to some new location and tell more fucking stories. How many times did King even write about Rolan twirling his fingers as if to say, "speed it up"? I'd guess 50. You would think that King would take his own bloody hint. And I love how suddenly character just changed or found new talents they didn't know they had when it was convenient for the plot. Suddenly Roland is speaking using old timey words after meeting the Cala villagers. Suddenly Eddie is able to copy any dialect he hears. Etc, etc, etc. It was awful. Nobody wants to watch a movie or TV show like that. And certainly nobody wants to see a show that ends the way the books ended, although it DID seem fitting for the books. So either they would have to change the material dramatically, or make a show that quickly falls off a cliff. The only question I have is, would a new Tower book go back to when King was writing true fiction with interesting characters, or will it just be written in the new style and have the character sitting around talking for 600 pages only to learn one small thing that helps them in their latest task. Oh, and it wil probably be filled with not-so-subtle hints about everything that is going to happen in later books. I used to be a MASSIVE King fan and read everything he put out. But he ran out of things to say a long time ago. Possibly even BEFORE his accident. But he should have just retired or ONLY written when he felt he had something to actually say. The idea that he has to pump out a book a year still is only making matters worse.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST
Thank fuck J.J isn't doing it, do it properly or not at all. And Daniel Day Lewis for Roland
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST
Did I say Lucas? I meant King of course, not sure how that happened. But really, I hate that he modified the originals when the last three came out (yes, I'm well aware that even Tolkein did this)
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST
you do know your all dickheads yes?<p> But seriously, why do people look at things like that, for me it's one big story, not "o part 1 was slow picks up in part 2 and 3 but 6 and 7 are shit" Thats fuckin comic book shit, read them all at once in order.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST
and the result was their Ka thankee-sai...<p>he did not forget the face of his father and yield to the crimson king but followed the beam to the end.. <p>but great Maturin has spoken so perhaps our ka-tet is yet not broken..
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST
...that hint at but don't try to tie up the mythology. I could go for either.<P>I really don't think there should be a truncated and compressed movie or trilogy though...I'd rather see random stand alone stories in that world...like THE LITTLE SISTERS OF ELURIA or something...
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST
You know that wasn't an option for some of us, don't you? The ones who could read in the '80s?
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
Please let us know if Under the Dome is on par with or better than Duma Key. I loved King's early works (esp. Salem's Lot, The Shining, Pet Sematary, and The Stand) but passed on a lot of his stuff after Needful Things. Something got me to try Duma Key and I liked it, even if the climactic showdown was a little long-winded. If Under the Dome is more or less on the level of Duma, it'll probably make my reading list.
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST
so why not give them another whirl, and I was busy raping your mother with a demon dick during the whole of the 80's so sorry I missed them the first time round
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST
It was not Roland's story but King's story and Roland his Jake.. Oy! Ake!
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST
The last third of the one big story sucks (I liked Wolves).
Nov. 13, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST
If you're going to do the Dark Tower you have to give it the Lord of the Rings treatment. Even HBO would manage to screw it up.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST
Has the NY Times ever given him a good review. Is this a first?
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST
...I was looking forward to this and JJ is a fan and a capable director/producer. And so it is then. Make it 7 Seasons, (symbolic) 19 Episodes on HBO, you know this to be the only way
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST
It's easy to adapt the last few books. Remove King from the movies altogether but make someone else of importance in the keystone world, someone who is vital to their mission. Roland/Eddie/Jake can still travel there through Black 13, kills Adolini again and Jake can still die there. For chrissakes, don't let these die.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST
and King should stay the fuck out of writing it. <p>Because the last three books were garbage.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST
I will always be a huge fan of King – his early work in particular (“IT” remains a personal favorite)and The Stand, Firestarter and The Dead Zone along with The Bachman Books (along with many of the stories from his anthologies) are all a great read. The Dark Tower is a tougher call – the first four books are great, Wizards and Glass in particular is brilliant. Wolves of the Calla on the other hand was pretty bad – it meandered all over the place and led to a boring climax. Several of King’s recent works have also been less than stellar (Dreamcatcher was particularly terrible – it reminded me of somebody considerably less talented trying to write a King novel). Cel was fairly decent but it didn’t have any kind of an ending. I have high hopes for Under the Dome, I hope it represents a smashing return to form. As for his films, of everything he had ever written there were always three stories I wanted to see filmed - The Mist being the first, and that did not disappoint. Beyond that, I’ve always wanted to see somebody take a crack at adapting “The Long Walk,” or a faithful rendition of “The Running Man.”
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
Honestly, Harry Potter references? Himself appearing in it . . . pardon? Did you really just write yourself into this? After announcing retirement? And then rushing and trashing what should have been your finest hour. <br> I love the other books, and feel a similar 'betrayal' as others. Here we have four books written over nearly 20 years. They are each wonderful with their individual merits. And then we get three books in three years. And it totally felt like it. They were rubbish. <br> And this has nothing to do with 'the ending'. I liked the wheel bit, it was a nice way for me to forget the last three books and go back to the beginning, which is unfortunately how I feel King felt. He knew they were rushed and shit, like a Matthew Reilley novel. So he made an excuse for us to go back and read the good ones. <br> I for one don't want to re-read those last few DT book. Jesus, does anyone?
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST
How can people not like Calla? It's the Western chapter of an epic fantasy western. YOU PLUMS. And also...people are really complaining about the "weak" endings of the villains? Really? Cos, you know...that's kind of the point. Which you all seem to have missed. I thought the last three were the best, and elevate the series as a whole to one of the greatest fantasy epics ever written. So there.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST
by Sailor Rip
They're good books. Can't we just leave it at that?
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST
then why did they buy the rights in the first place...or was it a practical joke? they bought it for $19 after all...
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST
blatant attempt to create a "Rings"-style legacy work. but it does not stick together. he even went back and re-wrote part 1 to try to make it all stick, but they're all over the map. it feels like with each book he was just trying to throw some other random shit at the wall. worst is when he becomes a character. but the final depiction of the Crimson King is downright retarded too. he was a better writer when he was coked out of his brain.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST
And J.J. said he wouldn't write the scrrenplays, is that meaning he is gonig to pass on them all together(as producer/DIRECTOR)?? It doesn't seem so.If J.J. was attahced, I think it'd be a good fit.But, it would SURELY be difficult to adapt faithfully-there's just SO many tonal shifts book to book.Some parts on a CRAZY-ASS FANTASY WORLD, some in various aprts of Nyc.I hope It comes to be!
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST
just as there are other worlds than those.. <p>once the wheel turns it must complete its cycle else it taints the milk.. so the man King followed the beam<p>did you feel betrayed? Aye! Twas the Betrayer! <p>do you pray for steel? Aye! Our belts weigh heavy!<p>then mock not the rose ye pinewood fodder
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
What really happened in Wolves? Roland did a dance, got a bit sore and some bird gave him some lotion. A robot said some stupid shit, and then the famed wolves and their showdown came along and lasted all of THREE FUCKING PAGES. Go look it up. <br> The fact that you think Wolves is the Western of this series is baffling. Did you not read Wizard and Glass. Western all the way. Well until the bit with the Wizard of Oz and all that shit, really, what the fuck was in that acid he had that day? Although, I did like the Father Callahan story, it would have been better as a stand alone. I think the whole story should end when Roland finishes his tale, because everything after that is just . . . . . bollocks.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST
During the first four books, what MADE the story was the gradual reveal of Roland's world...was it ours 10,000 years later, or were things from our world somehow infiltrating his? You had the grand narrative of how Roland's world degenerated from the ancient past of the Great Old Ones/Lud, to the feudal mess it was during Roland's youth, to the desolate ghost town it is at the time of the story. The intrusions of our world and the journeys there were interesting (with Roland walking the streets of New York a true highlight) but it was the great haunted wreck of Midworld that really pulled us in. The first deep immersion into the past (WAG) had me hopeful that we were going to delve into the fall of Gilead, and thus discover the entire history going back to the days of Blaine-style technology. Alas, instead we went to the Emerald Palace and fought some robots... Also, the first four books all built to some sort of climax (Roland's vision in Volume 1 roughly analogous to the great action set pieces that end 2, 3 annd 4). Volume 5 attempted that, but was just too long and took too many tangents. And it pretty much totally neglected Roland's past, a fatal flaw. I hated that pretty much the only other flashback to Roland's past was the very short retelling of Cuthbert and Alain's last stand. There are so many forgotten avenues and unresolved allusions...it's nice the comic books are tackling some of that but it really needed to be IN THE BOOKS!! Most of the stuff in our world was kind of boring, and seemed to take the story into rote and predictable places...volume 6 easily being the worst offender in this regard. I feel it briefly revived itself in the first half of volume 7...the Algul Siento bit had a lot of what made books 3 and 4 so good. But then King meandered on for another 200 numbing pages, had a huge letdown of a first ending, and then redemmed it a tad in a hugely wierd way with the true ending. Just another reason to hate Bryan Smith, were he still alive, I guess.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST
Can't put it down, which is good, because I'm not only reading I am exercising. Love it. I don't know where it will fall in terms of my favourite King stories (I agree with the chap who said "Bag of Bones" is criminally under-rated), but I feel that his writing has never been sharper and more focused. The man writes good prose. And as much as the book is starting to veer more directly into the cause of the Dome, for 700 pages it has been about the people - people responding to a crisis in their myriad ways. I want to say some things have been predictable, but that's not wholly accurate - it's believable, because his characters are believable, even the broadest of them.<br><br>Of course, King has always had 'trouble' with his endings, so we'll see. I don't generally agree with consensus here - for one, I liked the ending of Cell (just not the part where they used the exact same plan that had failed once before), and the Dark Tower Coda wasn't just good it was right. But he's so good at the foreplay I just think the coming can hardly ever match up.<br><br>Which is why I think he's so good at short fiction. "Just After Sunset" was incredible. "N." is possibly my favourite King story ever - I hope he returns to that mythos sometime in long form.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
There were the mildest bits of interest in the last three books, the shootout in the country town supply shop, some of the stuff about those people who worked in the Beam place. But the rest of it was just far too fucking sanctimonious. I still can't get over him writing himself in, and then referring to himself as "The Writer". <br> Really? <br> Fuck Off.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST
Right now I can't get past how pissed off I am at the 2-month delay in the release of the digital version of Under the Dome. According to Stephen King this was done solely to "to give the smaller bookstores a little breathing room"... yeah, because fucking Kindle/Sony ebooks really eat into small book store's bottom lines - unlike, say, WalMart and Target's $9 pricing of the $30 hardback. Fuck Stephen King, fuck his publisher, fuck Under the Dome, and fuck bulky, heavy hardback books. I'm done with all of them.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST
I need more ADHD shakey cam bullshit in my life, especially something as cool as TDT. Fucking herd mentality director support... everyone says Abrams is awesome, so I'd better think that too.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST
I don't see why you find it baffling that I said Calla is a Western. I thought it pretty obvious. Wizard and Glass is kindof Western, but Calla is much purer Western. How you could think otherwise is a bit of a mystery. Wizard had the political stuff, the conspiracy stuff. You also get the romance-angle in Wizard, which, if I'm honest, didn't work as much for me as it seems to work for everyone else. It was OK, it didn't ruin it for me, mostly I was just waiting for Roland and his gang to bust some shit up, which is something both books did very well; the build up, the anticipation, to the showdown. I just feel Calla did that better, both the build up and the showdown. Sure the final battle's shorter, but not actually by that much. It's a better, tighter written battle and carries more drama. The whole thing was a purer Western, if you like, without the politics and teenage romance to dilute it. Whether or not that makes it better is obviously a matter of taste, you hate it, I love it, no problem! But Calla is definitely the most overtly Western novel of the series.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST
He wasnt scared of screwing up the Star Trek universe cause he wasnt really a fan of it.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
Thank you for replying without flaming. I think most people find WAG the most western because the characters and the setting we so rooted in western mythology that it would be mental to think of anything else when reading it. <br> The big Coffin Hunters, the saloon, the local retard tending to the donkey, the whole fucking thing was a western pure and simple. <br> I suppose seeing as the whole series is a Western that you're right, however if we're going to talk about which is the most western then it has to be WAG in my opinion. But Calla is seriously flawed in my opinion!
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST
Thought it was good, early to mid-80's, King. Not amazing but full of good characters and excellent foreshadowing. Anyone else get the Lost reference and who else thinks Buddy Garrity for the role of Big Jim Rennie?
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
does nothing to improve ones postings! <br> I just really wish I could read a new DT book starting from when they woke up after Roland's tale of Mejis. <br> And Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks would do the soundtrack.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST
I was at the signing in NYC where he mentioned the new book he is going to be writing in the DT series. He also stated that he will be writing another book in the Talisman series as well (to much applause). I was definitely pleased at how interesting the interview was (even though Janet Maslin was not that good an interviewer). It's nice to have someone whom you have admired for years not disappoint you in person.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST
Malkmus + Jicks are great, but I don't think their usual mode fits the tone of the story. :-) I was thinking more Nick Cave.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST
about Roland's past it would have been a travesty. We learned enough. I find the comics completely unnecessary and pretty boring. I had to stop reading them a while back, they seemed entirely superfluous, and never added anything of importance to the series. They were created for crack-pots who wanted to know more about Roland's past than about the main story. When I started reading Wizard and Glass for the first time and he started telling the tale from back in the day I sighed. It ended up being good enough to justify it...but if he had done it again for a whole book I would've skipped it. I just wanted him to continue on with the proper story. The glimpse we got in Calla of the last stand was fantastic, two pages that got the blood pumping without having to explain anything. It was enough. Obviously it's a notion he got from Lord of the Rings, that there's this big huge back story and history to what's happening, but you don't necessarily have to learn all about it, but during the story, you wish you could go back and read all the epic shit that's went down. It helps build the world and gives actions more weight. And yet, have you read the Silmarillion? Boring as fuck.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
I've just realised that the real reason that Wizard and Glass is a big fat Western isn't because the nasty old witch stuck her fingers up poor old Susan's fanny, it's because everyone rode around ON A FUCKING HORSE AND SHOT THE SHIT OUT OF EACHOTHER!
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST
At a book signing in Chicago. He was signing Bag of Bones and I had a chance to meet him. I was wearing a Hills Have Eyes t-shirt and he complimented my shirt which was cool. Nice guy.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST
I imagine any new DT book would cover the story of the Tet corporation. That's easily the biggest gap in the story and the part I was left most curious about. The haste with which King brought out the last books made me wonder if he was going to revisit the series. I always figured he'd just expand Song of Susannah instead of writing a whole new volume. I predict King will go back and revise the whole series someday. Obviously, he rushed through these because he didn't want to die without finishing his story.
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST
When I read Calla the first time and all the hints about Stephen King actually being in the books started appearing, and all the metaphysical stuff started going on, I thought 'this is gonna be too far for some people.' I enjoyed it immensely, but I knew that I would be arguing with people till the end of time about it. Long may it continue!
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
The song Witch Mountain Bridge came on and it sounded nice and appropriate! Can't wait until March when I get to see Pavement and Pixies in the same weekend. There really are so many advantages to living in Australia! < br > Shame that King rewrites aren't one of them!
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST
Good point. HORSES! I am defeated.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
Your facetiousness would earn you a big fat bullet in the face from the Big Coffin Hunters. WAG is more of a western than Wolves. Wolves is just a bit shit.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST
I was only half joking! On the Western IMAGERY front WAG wins. The story is debatable. Doesn't WAG stand for something else too? Something to so with wives...at games? Am I making this up? A WAG round up in some shitey tabloid paper rings a bell.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST
I didnt like the bit of the comics I read, it didnt have the same feel. Having said that I could be interested in a story set in Roland's world that has moved on. Better to use different characters and seperate it from what King has written.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST
I would love to see Stephen King write an episode of the CW show "Supernatural," which should its own talkback on Aint It Cool!
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST
"should have," sorry!
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST
That's funny, cos I've not actually heard a solid attack on the greatness of 5-7! Just people moaning. "Oh Stephen King turns up in it, what kind of shit is that!" etc. And long paragraphs to that effect.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST
again, that they're spineless worthless cowards at heart is entirely the point. Go read a critique.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST
by Chicken Thunder
At this drunken point in time I align myself with ReadHorseVector because Flagg went out like a lady, the Crimson King was too busy fiddling with himself
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST
That's absolute garbage. Drawing of the Three is my favorite, but 5-7 have tons of great material, and 7 is incredible. I won't ramble on too long, as I'll get lost in it, but: Jake and Callahan back-to-back at the Dixie Pig, the implication that Black 13 is what destroyed the Twin Towers, the "return" of Pennywise...I can understand people not liking the meta stuff, but I was definitely into it, and I DO think it makes sense in the universe that King created.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST
I can see your point...Wolves in some parts reminds me of the Magnificent Seven...
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST
Every movie ol'Stevie has written the screenplay for, directed, acted in, picked the soundtrack, etc. has SUCKED. KEEP THIS MAN AWAY FROM ADAPTING HIS OWN MATERIAL. Oh God it hurts just to think of those flicks he was involved in. Someone mention Joey Ramone wrote the song PET SEMETARY in an hour as a compliment in an earlier post. King wanted him for the soundtrack. I'm surprised he did'nt literally pull that song our of his ass. The fact that it took him an hour...Genuis. Anybody here see ROSE RED? THE SHINING (tv version)? STORM OF THE CENTURY? SLEEPWALKERS? MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE? I rest my case.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST
and yea Wolves is a take on Magnificent 7 obviously its at least slightly western
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST
Gee, Quint, did it? Did it really? You noticed that, did ya? How it went from complete awesomeness to complete garbage? If you ever want to see true hilarity, go read the Amazon reader reviews of book 7, you have never seen such total outrage. Where do you even start with how much the last 3 books suck? Is it how by book 7, King wasnt even bothering to write dialogue anymore (using the ka-tet mind reading as a crutch, something he said he would never do in interviews earlier in the series, and something we are supposed to believe just popped up despite Roland/Cuthbert/Alain not having the ability)? Was it his single minded focus on Susannah, one of the most universally despised character's in Kings entire canon? Was it the fact that the Crimson King actually had no special abilities whatsoever, and was just a dude in a robe throwing grenades? Was it the Man in Black going out like a complete bitch to a character that King had only introduced 100 pages earlier, similar to if Lucas had some guy named Bob show up at the start of Jedi and kill Vader with one flick of his finger while eating grapes and watching MTV? Or maybe it was Mordred then being killed not by any heroic action on anyone's part, but because he ate some bad horsemeat? Or Roland, the biggest bad ass in literature history, spending the entirety of book 7 collapsing into a blubbering, ineffective idiot? Should I go on? Because believe me, I can, a entire talkback can be filled with the contempt and laziness that King showed for his formerly loyal fans with those last 3 crapfests of a book. Utter disgrace.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST
I have to say, I think King's work has been steadily deteriorating to the point where I can no longer read his books. I gave up after reading "Insomnia", a real over-long, rambling mess of a book. Comparing early King to current King is depressing - it seems that his fountain has all but run dry, though he insists on returning to it time and again. The man is in severe need of a strong editor, and perhaps a long holiday from the genre. The "Under the Dome" premise sounds like it has been lifted entirely from John Wyndham's "Midwich Cuckoos" from 1957. Whilst I'm sure King still enjoys writing it's almost as though his later works are written by someone else - his less-talented cousin, say. Maybe his "Dumb Half". And that's a shame. I won't be buying this latest epic.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST
King basically had the creative spark knocked from him when that van hit him, and he has never gotten it back. However, people simply wouldnt stop harrassing him about how the DT series was going to end. So King said " Ok, you want an ending? I'll give you an ending!!" and proceeded to whip out 3 of the most unsatisfying, intentionally lazy pieces of dogshit ever written, and said "There you go, there's your ending. Happy now??". It honestly was one of the bigger dick moves I've seen in literature.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST
The fact that he has to start all over again, continually, I thought was the ONLY ending that would work. It makes complete sense. What were you guys hoping for? I will admit though that having Patrick Danville, coming out of nowhere, to be the real hero in the end, was a little discouraging, but I've got a whole theory behind that that makes his inclusion really kind of awesome.
Nov. 13, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST
There were rumors for years that still persist that King's wife Tabitha took up the reins for a period and wrote his books to be published under his name in the years leading up to accident (where he had already started losing the spark). Rose Madder and Gerald's Game are generally the ones singled out as possibly shady. I cant say either way, but neither of them read remotely like anything else King has written before or since.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST
Rev - I've always thought that giving Roland the horn of Deschain at the top of the new 'gunslinger' would be a way to both "adapt" the series for new listeners, and also signify to Tower junkies that we were really watching the story of Roland's next loop. Fareal - Jim Caviezel would be great casting, but I think Daniel Day Lewis would be the ultimate.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST
Just think about that - on a super geeky level, his initials are RF like the walter/flagg character often uses in his aliases. He's voldemort, and there are already Harry Potter tie-ins in DT (although some may argue that they are insanely lame - did you ever think that King might be ghostwriting a bit in that other series? Notice how it got real dark and super long after Book 3?)... that would be just beyond perfect casting.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST
I did like that bit, but I took it the other way, that we're to assume the Towers destroyed Black 13.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST
Daniel Day Lewis is the first idea I've heard that sounded good in years. I also love the idea of "with the horn" this time as a chance to slightly change events and ultimately provide a save the universe ending, but there's a lot of chance to screw up...
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST
You were the camera man, weren't you? Just try decaf.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST
Abrams and Lindelof should warm up by adapting The Talisman correctly first and then go to Dark Tower. And please, for the love of god, cast Guy Pearce to play Roland. Also, I think everybody is a little too hard and the last 3 books. There is plenty to love and some truly great sequences. Long live Gilead!
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST
"Rose Madder and Gerald's Game are generally the ones singled out as possibly shady. I cant say either way, but neither of them read remotely like anything else King has written before or since." <p> yeah... except Tabitha gets pretty damn gruesome in Rose Madder if that's her writing. The part where the abusive husband/cop is squeezing the informant's testicles, and then bites another guy's junk off later on... that's straight out of It - not a stretch for me there. Felt very in keeping with some of the stuff going on in Desperation. But I never got through Gerald's Game and haven't read any of Tabitha's work, so I can't comment there.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST
Clooney or Pitt would suck. My number 1 choice is Guy Pearce. Think about it, he's perfect. Caviezel and Day-Lewis are also fine choices.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST
I've been championing him for numerous DT talkbacks, and the Horn being with Roland at the start of the movie.<p>I always wondered if the movie would break the fourth wall of the movie world like have Roland visiting J.J (or now another director thankfully) which I don't know would work as people here don't seem to like King himself even being in the story.
Fareal - I think you might be surprised about DDL's wanting to commit. If shot back-to-back, or done as an HBO mini-series, he's an actor who likes to stay in character. I think he's got the most chops, the most exotic look while still fill fitting the part exactly. But don't get me wrong, I *LOVED* Outlander and would be completely psyched for Caviezel to take the role. I think that he'd be an extremely suitable choice, and we'd be lucky to have him. Although I'd still take DDL. Roland just has SO much depth as a character that I'd really trust DDL with it more. He also has the ability to play "old Roland" a bit better than Caviezel imho.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST
so cool that us tower freaks (I assume you appreciate all 7 books) seem to be seeing it the same way. I also wondered about that 4th wall element - this time, instead of finding out that he's a character in books, he finds he's a character in a "Moo Vee"?
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST
by Liberty Valance
I agree that King's output over the last decade has been mediocre. Duma Key surprised the hell out of me though. It's vintage King with a small cast of great characters and a shitload of creepy shit going down. Looking forward to Under the Dome...
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST
The piles of cocaine did. There is an urgent insanity to his writing that was lost since he stopped using. He describes his drug induced writing binges in "On Writing", which is a great book in its own right. That being said, the finale to any gigantically epic and monstrously popular series is almost always going to be a let down. There are too many fans thinking of "better ways" to end it, for the writer to possibly please any large number of them.
redhorse - probably not, but that's what fantasy talkback threads are for =P But Fareal is right, Caviezel would actually sign up for it. Another actor that could be GREAT in this series would be good ol' Cillian Murphy. He's got the blue eyes and exotic looks to play Roland, and the evil smirk to play Walter, or one of the younger Blue Coffin Hunters.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST
Above all, until he collapsed into a blubbering emo kid in book 7, Roland is the multi-verse's biggest bad ass. Sorry, but Cavaziel doesnt seem able to bad-ass his way out of a wet paper bag. You need someone who legit seems like he could beat your ass.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST
Ditto Metallica/Alcohol. But I think King has aged pretty gracefully, I'll always have a good time with his books, whereas I really haven't been able to listen to Metallica. The dude's also aged a lot more gracefully than Spielberg or Lucas, that's for damn sure.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST
Some fine choices for Roland but remember, just cause an actor has blue eyes doesn't make him a fit for Roland. I think Eddie and Susannah Dean would be much harder to cast. What do you guys think? I really like Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST
...all over Abram's nuts again. Seriously moron...your creepy slobbering man love for this dude is scary. Can you not post in a TB that relates to him? I bet you can't. Shit...I know you can't. Just like you can't resist throat fucking any goat that happens down the path next to your mud hut.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST
Though I'm having trouble remembering the details (which says something in and of itself). (spoilerish) Wasn't it more or less some kind of grenade fight or something? And he was cackling madly and ended up getting dispatched pretty quickly? If I'm remembering at least a little correctly, that was a big letdown given how built up Flagg was over so MANY books). The only thing I can possibly think to explain it away is that he finally went fucking bugnuts and as such was a shell of his former self...? I don't know, maybe I better read the last few books again...
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST
exactly dude it's a story, it dips in parts I'll admit but for the most it's moving and epic, all 7 of them. And yea I remember picking up on something King said when he sold the rights to J.J about them both having the same views on how to do the movie which to me hinted at a 4th wall element. As for DDL yea maybe a bit much for him? Perhaps as Rolands dad maybe?
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST
by 3 Bag Enema
...he didn't think Lord of the Rings was gay enough. Want a modern fantasy western? Adapt Preacher!
@RedHorse - Despite being genuinely obsessed with the series now, I only started reading when Wolves of Calla came out, so by the time I got to that one, I didn't have the horrible waits between books that some had. I can imagine especially Song of Susannah being a disappointment. I mean no question, a different direction after 4 would have been welcome, but I for one think 5-7 are a hell of a lot more graceful than the star wars prequels, even with the Dr. Doom/Terminator/Star Wars/Harry Potter references.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST
There is a large majority of fans who believe that King lost his ability to write, not when he was hit by the van, but when he got off the cocaine (right around the time of The Wastelands, dont quote me on this, but I believe King has said he wrote Tommyknockers and Wastelands with mountains of coke in front of him). Look at what he wrote post-cocaine: Rose Madder and Gerald's Game (two books people dont even think he really wrote), Insomnia (generally considered 250 pages too long and arguably the most unfocused, meandering book in King's archive), The Green Mile (good book), Desperation/Regulators (pretty good/terrible), Wizard and Glass (Half completely amazing, half utterly terrible), Bag Of Bones (probably King's best post-cocaine book, and what is the subject? Writer's Block), On Writing/Secret Windows/Faithful (all non fiction), Dark Tower 5/6/7 (utterly horrible), Dreamcatcher (terrible), From a Buick 8 (awesome but written before the accident), Black House (assistance from Peter Straub), etc etc etc. Its certainly a mixed bag at best, and one could certainly argue hes never had the same spark after getting off the coke, and certainly not since the van accident.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST
I got really excited about the new book until I read what it'd be about. He really needs to write a new ending to erase the terrible last book (or last 3 even.) I was so furious at that weak ending I thought about changing my name to Annie Wilkes and putting King in my guestroom until he wrote a proper ending. The villains were totally worthless in the end-- no decent showdowns and writing himself into the books was the worst idea ever. I used to love King's books and obsess over the DT series but after the last one I gave up on him and haven't read anything else of his.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST
It was kind of a letdown that he just got eaten by spider-baby. The real end of the book is Eddie dying at the breakers, after that its all just loose ends... "how do I kill or write out everyone in the next 50 pages" or however it went. That said, I still appreciate the series as a whole.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST
look, I am a huge SK fan, I bought 3 copies of IT because each one is falling apart in a certain place I read it so many times, but I have to agree, later King (after la accident) haven't been the same flavor?? Make sense? OH and bag of bones was a great book..not sure why people bag on it all the time
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST
DDL as Roland's dad would be AMAZING although with all the talk about him being shorter than Roland and with the handlebar mustache, I can't stop thinking about Ben Stiller's character in Happy Gilmore haha. It's pretty sad news to me that JJ/Lindelof won't be taking this on. I think they'd be surprised by the leeway Tower fans would give them, if it was technically a "next loop" from the literary series. I mean... we accepted so much bizarre out-of-left-field stuff from King himself, I can't imagine what they could change that I wouldn't find at least cool by comparison. The thing I love is that by tying in the books to reality, is that it actually makes Roland MORE real. It ties his life force to the fictional industry, and even more so to fans than any epic I can think of. Someone who realized this and was willing to tackle it with the same irreverence of King himself would take some flack, but as long as he had that damn horn at the beginning, any changes will be good to a junkie like me. I think of all the Stephen King books to change for screen, this one may actually be the best and most interesting candidate.
Nov. 13, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST
Nope there really wasnt much more to it then that. He really was just a crazy Gandalf looking guy in a red robe who sat back and threw grenades. No explanation was ever given for his seeming lack of ability to be even remotely scary. He was eliminated by, no not Roland, because that would make too much sense, no he was eliminated by some kid who didnt appear in the DT series proper before the last 200 pages of book 7. Awesome.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1 p.m. CST
was amazing, probably his best book of the past 15 years, mainly because he was feeling inspired by its topic, writers block. Hmmmmm.
also, some good choices for Susannah - obviously Thandie Newton would be way up there, Siena Goines (jericho) would be great too eddie is definitely the hardest - joseph gordon levitt would be a choice that made me as annoyed with Eddie as Roland was. Ben Foster could be a good choice, if he was a little more likable? Thomas Dekker?
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST
The guy still knows what the hell he is doing. His volume of work is enormous. There is going to be utter crap, and there is going to be gold. If only because publishers are gonna publish whatever he gives them. Under the Dome is an awesome concept, and from what I've read about the book so far, is pure King characterization. Very excited to pick this one up. It's a standalone story, divorced from an overarching mythology. I think the Dark Tower series suffered from its size, and its author's development as a writer. The same quality just can't be sustained over a 30 year period.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST
Well said about the reality aspect. I love things that break the 4th wall which is almost impposible to do succesfully. And I do think they could do pretty much anything if they just give Roland the Horn at the start.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST
agreed - the crimson king is one of the least frightening villains of all time. But he was never really the villain - I think in many ways, his lameness is meant to accentuate that Roland is the villain of his story.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST
because Spider baby made him kill himself.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST
Wolves of the Calla I thought was excellent and compelling, it felt 100% like a worthy Dark Tower chapter. Song of Susannah I did not like much at all, it didn't have the Dark Tower 'feel' to it, and really just felt like the entire book was just a bridge to the final book. I did think having one of the doors lead to 'our' world and having them meet King was interesting. The final book was not as strong as I'd hoped, it started off well but wound down once Roland was alone and the final confrontation was a total letdown. But the epilogue ending was so awesome it actually put a huge grin on my face when I closed the book. I think that's a pretty fair assessment of the last three. What is exceptional about the series though, is that each book in the series has a completely unique feel and style to it, while maintaining the overall narrative of the quest. Book 1 was a chase, Book 2 was people confronting their inner demons and finding their destiny, Book 3 was a LotR-style quest-trek. Book 4 was a bittersweet love story, Book 5 was a last-stand-at-the-Alamo story, Book 6 was a trip beyond the 4th wall, and Book 7 was basically a depressing ode to Roland's life and destiny, and a shared realization between both Roland and the reader, that the end was never really what they were looking for.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST
by The Eskimo
...should've ended with (a different) fourth book. The first 3 were amazing, culminating with the uber-coolness of the Wastelands. Wizards was painful to read, we never needed a detailed Roland back-story other than what was implied, Wolves was a good stand alone but felt kind of pointless, and by the time the last two books came out there was no way to give the series a clean ending. (Plus the whole writing himself into the sotry thing that King did was just lame IMHO).<br> <br>I remember way back in the day, during the big lapse after Wastelands, there was some fan fiction or something that suggested the story would end shortly after escaping Blaine, involving the whole idea that one of the characters kept seeing the towers in their dreams, and they find a door that takes them to the Tower in the dream, a la the way Jake died and came back, and that was the shortcut Roland took to get to the tower. Anyway, the series was just way too long, and that kind of ruined the overall experience for me.
Nov. 13, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST
We read "Ka is a wheel" 80,000 times over the course of that whole saga. When Roland opened the door and saw the desert, I knew that's what it all meant. Because there are instances throughout all of the books, too, where Roland muses that the circumstances feel familiar. Ultimately, Roland's quest is not about saving the universe, but saving himself. He has to keep returning to the Tower because he sacrificed his humanity to get there on his other trips. That he has the Horn Cuthbert carried with him this time around suggests that Roland CAN be redeemed and find peace. The only book that did not satisfy me much was book 6. I think, like a few others do, that it was a stall before the last book. It's the equivalent of that episode of Lost where Sun loses her wedding ring--nothing much happens and ultimately we're looking forward more to the bigger story beyond that one.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2 p.m. CST
hmm... am I the only one who really, really loved Cell? At least until the ending, and even that didn't bother me too much. Duma Key was excellent as well. Bag of Bones was great (although I really need to go back and re-read it; its been a while). Wolves of the Calla let me down a bit but Song of Susannah was excellent, and I didn't mind the Dark Tower ending at all. King writing himself into the story threw me for a loop, but not that much. Also, people are forgetting some of the stories in Everything's Eventual when discussing post-accident King, and From a Buick 8 is very underrated as well. Honestly, the only recent King novel that really let me down was Lisey's Story - the one everyone seemed to love.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2 p.m. CST
The only thing missing from the DT books was the fall of Gilead, culminating in the Battle of Jericho Hill and that business with the horn. All we got was a couple of pages of flashback in Wolves of the Calla. Wizard and Glass is my favourite DT book but it did leave the back story hanging just as it was getting interesting.<P>Quint, I wouldn't hold out much hope for more story with Roland's second ka-tet - it sounds like he is just filling in the blanks of Roland's back story.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST
the tone and pacing of the books, not to mention the fact live-action and a big budget would get it declawed adult content-wise, means animé is the best medium for this.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST
I'll definitely pick up 'Under the Dome'. Listen, the last 3 books of DT were different, and if the way it ends bothers some people, do what he instructed. Stop reading after the door slams shut. The journey is the story, after all. I got 'Cell' out of the library on audio book, and it was ok. I can't do what some of these people do, trashing someone who gave me so many hours of enjoyment.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST
I'd never heard that theory; interesting, though it sounds a little far-fetched to me. Anyway, it still doesn't explain all the other sloppily written dreck he's churned out in the years since then. I think the sad truth is that he's just creatively burnt-out. Not that unusual, it happens to the majority of talents
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST
Something I learned about King way back in the 80s when THE STAND was straining my patience in the final act (a fucking A-BOMB?!), and shortly before IT went through my shattered bedroom window (A FUCKING SPIDER?!).<p> In a perfect universe, King would write nothing but novellas: SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE BODY, APT PUPIL, DOLAN'S CADILLAC, THE MIST, THE LONG WALK...'nuff said.<p> And naturally enough, the best King movies are when the director strips the story down to its basics...THE SHINING, DEAD ZONE, CHRISTINE...<p> A true American genius and national treasure up there with Poe and Twain, but with a talent for overreach.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST
Holy shit that's a good idea.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST
Maybe it's just the fact that he has blue eyes, but he can pull off that whole thing where Roland is "ugly" but "handsome." And he can do grizzled and battered--on House he's perpetually scruffy.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST
I really enjoyed the first 3/4's of Cell. Things got a little trippy once people started levitating. I may need to go back and read it again though. It was my follow up to The Stand, and I kept comparing the two. The Stand is a sledgehammer though. I needed some time to recover from that bad boy.
Nov. 13, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST
A few people have said that to me too, not a bad choice when you think seriously about it,<p> And as much as Ka is a wheel, Roland WILL FINISH his journey, the Tower promises him! And I refuse to belive that Roland will never see Susan at in the clearing at the end of the path someday.<p> Thats why I thought the movie would be the completion of Rolands tale if he starts with the horn of course.<p> You could say he'd have to visit the guy who wrote the Childe Roland poem for which King took inspiration but for that he'd be going back to different writers for ever as that poem was seemingly based on another tale I think I read.
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST
I don't see him as Roland but he would make a great "Man in Black".
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST
I agree, I've always wanted to see an adaptation of The Long Walk. It would be so easy for somebody to do. Also, a faithful version of The Running Man. But of coarse Hollywood pussies today would never have our hero crash a plane into a building at the end.
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST
I could kind of see that, but I always envisioned the "Man in Black" as someone more flamboyant. I think Laurie can play flamboyant (Blackadder, anyone?), but I just think he's more suited for the brooding Roland.
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST
Yep, I think it's safe to say planes crashing into buildings is DONE for the next 20 or so years.
Nov. 13, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST
my aunt is a huge King fan. about a year ago she had to make room for something and she gave a call. she was giving me her entire SK collection. first run hardback novels going all the way back to the beginning...fuckin' too cool
Nov. 13, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST
I'm not one of those people who has cherished nostalgic experiences ruined by the slew of movie adaptations/remake/etc... I just shrug them off. Why NOT adapt the Dark Tower books into movies? I loved the books, and if I don't love the movies, who cares? I can just go back to the books. So I'm all for the movie adaptation AND any new material King wants to offer. There were certainly parts of the final books that didn't live up to the hype, but there were similar stalling moments in the prior 4, just as there are similar stalls in every single work of popular fiction that I've ever experienced. But I really enjoyed Calla and its awesome Magnificent 7/small-group-versus-insurmountable-amount-of-faceless-villains motif... Song of Susannah was ultimately filler but filler that aided the story overall... and I enjoyed everything about Dark Tower except for Flagg going out like a bitch and Crimson King being pretty much irrelevant(a sentiment that seems to be echoed by many of you).
Nov. 13, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST
I'd love to see the series(or at least the first few books) handled by Alfonso Cuaron. Every one of his films has a central theme of an unlikely group coming together to tackle a journey... Y tu mamá también, Prison of Azkaban, Children of Men. He's also shown the ability to tackle a blend of gritty, dystopian realism with the completely and utterly bizarre CGI-driven stuff. He's a great choice to me. Roger Deakins as cinematographer. Michael Giachinno for the score. I pictured Hugh Jackman as Roland while reading the books, but I'd be open to others as well. Jackman does seem to possess the solemn, grizzled, well-traveled bad assness of Roland, though. Susannah? Only one choice for me: Taraji P. Henson. Eddie? Someone along the lines of Adam Brody, Gordon-Levitt, or possibly even Justin Long. Jake? Subjective to when filming begins, due to his age... currently someone like Dillon Freasier from There Will Be Blood sounds good to me. Flagg? Bill Nighy! That makes a solid main cast for me, and I'd love to discuss you guys' casting options for the other minor characters
Nov. 13, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST
Scary thought of the day... Will Smith as Roland... "All Hell Naw! Git me a popkin!" ijs
Nov. 13, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST
i make this serape look goooood
Nov. 13, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST
You're idiots. King blew it, plain and simple. The first four are sooo good(The Drawing of the Three in particular) it makes my heart ache that we didn't get a proper finish to the series. <P> The only thing I'd like to know about the last three is: 'How could he write so much garbage so fast?'
Nov. 13, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST
I don't really care enough anymore to be so vehement, so I apologize to the apologists. <P> The last three books DO suck, tho.
Nov. 13, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST
King follows ideas to see where they lead him, and he has said many times in his book "On Writing", he doesn't know how his books ends or where they lead. He follows them just like the reader. I wouldn't call the last 3 awful, but he could completely excise Song of Susannah without harming the series, and there is definitely much that could be trimmed from the other two. If he rewrites the series he could do that for future readers.
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST
I had heard it, and I didnt believe it either, honestly. I'm still not 100% sure I do. All I can say is this, clear your mind, free any expectations you might have, and go read Rose Madder. Read it with a completely clear mind. I did that after hearing the theory (I had never read it before), completely expecting to de-bunk such a bogus idea. After about 20 pages, I looked up and thought to myself "Holy shit, he totally didn't write this. How could anyone not have seen this." I felt like Rain Man seeing the pattern in the cards, or Where's Waldo. Once you see it, its so obvious that you wonder how you could have ever NOT seen it. That's just my opinion thought (shrugs).
Nov. 13, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST
Planning an entire book around one of the most tedious, boring, useless characters ever written? Not high on the great idea list.
Gooseud - are you sure? I read Rose Madder again last year and really felt like a lot of it was in keeping with the King I know - plenty of elements of IT from the old stuff and Duma Key from the new stuff (Persephone is quite like the girl in Rose's painting), replete with shape shifting spiders. I mean Rose Madder even mentions Ka and I believe Thunderclap. The setting of her painting is just like the setting of the tower, with the downed statues, etc... if that was Tabitha, she shares King's fetish for having testicles eaten off. And the way the abusive cop/husband is written is JUST like Junior from Under the Dome. It's a nice theory but I'm pretty skeptical. <p>...but did you think about the theory that SK worked on Harry Potter? For me, it's easy to imagine King becoming a fan of HP 1-2 and asking to collaborate, gratis, just for fun. Stephen King's a known pen-name junkie who had his alias ripped away, and his real name would never be marketable for books aimed at young readers. It just seems in his character to want to work on it in some capacity. 7 books in that series, and when book 3 takes the series freaky dark, the page numbers go through the roof. And then the Harry Potter stuff shows up in his magnum opus collecting a huge array of stuff he's written...
Nov. 13, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST
The Crimson King wasn't always a stupid assclown on a balcony. He went crazy, remember? Something he saw in the Glasses drove him mad - most likely Roland's victory in Blue Heaven. His obsession with the Tower caused him to make a monumental mistake - he went and got trapped. Crazy, pissed off, and eaten by the one thing he was obsessed with. For Christ's sake - he was so badass, he couldn't even be destroyed...simply reduced, I guess I'd say. He's still waiting...he's always waiting...ka like a wheel, remember? So we have a villain who's undone by his own greed along with a 'hero who's basically in the same boat, dealing with understanding love, friendship, and obsession - as, all while, the multi-verse and ka spin worlds and fate around their heads . . . and some people say the ending sucked? Really? Maybe I just read it too close.....
Yep. I think it's a great, totally unique ending for this kind of a series. Very interesting that LOST is prolly doing something similar with their continuity right now. BTW - anyone think JJ/Lindelof might have been grooming either Matthew Fox or Josh Holloway for the Roland role?
Nov. 14, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST
by Struggling Comedian 37
Well, think of it like this. LOST is ending, right? so the bad robots should seriously consider adapting it to a premium pay channel on telelvision. Like they were going to do with preacher b.s.m. it could work. it really could. break up the books to a season a piece and they could pull it off. fo'sho. [before sam mendes]
Nov. 14, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST
I saw Moon. It's a great movie. It's everything that was aid about Jar Jar Abrams's STINO, only this time justifieed by the movie actually being very good, instead of the pile of shit that was STINO.<br><br>STINO = fucking loser; MOON = total complete win.<br><br>Suck it, Abrams' boy. I heard that assclown's dumb comentary for the STINO DVD and i saw a truly great Sf movie called MOON, so my batteries are recharged. Anytime you want me to go againt at my anti-STINO postings, all you need is to provoque me. Like you did above. You will have only yourself to blame, Jar Jar Abrams's dick sucker jackass.
Nov. 14, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST
but thank to the gods, it escaped the sad fate of having that abnornal mongoloid pile of shit completly untalented con-artist mega-hack Jar Jar Abramass' fucking it all up beyond all possible recognition. Stephen King and his fans got lucky. What lucky bastards.
Nov. 14, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST
it was all that egocentric vanity boy deserved. I for one loved it. All things serve the beam.
Nov. 14, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST
its my favorite read bar none. Read it through 5 times so far, and it just gets better every time.
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST
I wasn't expecting the book to have 1000 plus pages, but when I saw it I smiled. My most anticipated Horror book of the year comes in the mail in a Godzilla sized package. <P> I spent $9 on the thing(or approximately the price of a new sized mass market paperback, here's a hint kiddies if you can afford it, buy stock in Amazon now) and it's gonna keep me entertained for days. I can't wait to start reading it.
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST
I dunno, I haven't even started reading it yet, but in terms of quality (for the most part) and commitment to excellence, HBO seems a good fit. Besides, on pay cable you can show gore, you can show tit (and more), and you can cuss 'til your heart's content.
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST
is the only reason to read that damn magazine, and by read I mean find the page King's column is on, read, then discard.
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST
I read EW for the King articles too, the rest of the magazine makes for decent shitter reading, but overall it's pretty lame
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST
considering my name and everything, ok here goes I'm a huge King fan and I read the Dark Tower series back to back well after they were all released and I have to say, I honest to God enjoyed the entire series, yes the last 3 books have their flaws, but they also have their moments, so much so in fact that they shouldn't be written off (heh) I for one really enjoyed the final book and I thought it was funny how Flagg and The Crimson King who are hyped up to be ultimate badasses die like pussies, if you can't see the humor in that and instead expected Roland to fight them Dragon Ball Z style well you need to get a grip
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST
I loved it actually, the Coda with Roland climbing the Tower and seeing things from his past was so chilling I literally got goosebumps and when he opens that final door....well let's just say that ending fits the series perfectly
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST
am I the only one that loved Insomnia? I thought it was a great, "hey hey Susan Day, how many kids did you kill today?"
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST
except for the fact that Left 4 Dead 2 comes out Tuesday and I really want to start playing it then, of course as soon as I've had my fill I'll start Under The Dome
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST
I had no problem with the last 20 pages. The 1500 before that was the problem. That Crimson King explanation works, seeing as the book was ALWAYS about the final confrontation between the Man in Black and Roland. The Crimson King doesnt even really concern me, who cares honestly? he's just a plot device that King pulled out of his ass 20 years into the story when he started running out of ideas. The Crimson King going out like Dumbledore on a 3 day Jager bender doesnt neccessarily doom the series...... IF The Flagg situation had worked out differently. However, you can only cop out on giving Roland the confrontation that the series deserves so many times before it just seems lame and cheesy. There is nothing that can justify the Flagg/Mordred scene, nada. Its the single dumbest thing I've ever read in any series ever.
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST
1. Yeah, your the only one who liked Insomnia, everyone elses thinks its about 200 pages too long, and its actual title should be "Cure for........". Doesnt mean your wrong, just that your in the minority. 2. Your certainly entitled to your opinion about Flagg and the King. However, once again, 90% of the readers of the series thought that Flagg scene was an outrage. Once again, that doesnt make them wrong and you right or vice versa. However, saying that anyone who disagrees with you needs to "get a grip" when you are pretty much the only one on planet Earth who feels that way is amusing to say the least.
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST
up to page 250ish, King is the master of characters and no doubt in my mind the best fiction writer currently writing
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST
I read that book before knowing anything of Roland and though I got a bit confused by the end, the whole story had me enraptured. From the balloon strings to the Random and the Purpose, I just love it.
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST
JJ shows good sense by not attempting to film the Dark Tower series. The only way it would EVER work on film is through animation. It could NEVER be cast right. As far as Stephen King is concerned, that washed up hack was only good when he was coked out. 1997 was his last great novel and that was Wizard & Glass. Also, not entirely by coincidence, the last decent Dark Tower novel ever written. The last three novels were just a fucking joke I LITERALLY (honest to god here folks) tore the pages out of the books and used them as toilet paper. Even still, that was more than they deserved. So help me God, if I ever cross paths with Stephen King I'm going to bitchslap that rich prick so hard his kids won't see straight for a month. What's he going to do, sue me? For what? Sai King, go fuck yourself!
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST
Doesn't anyone care about my cover? will some American roughian steal me a Yankie one?
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST
read what? About 3000+ pages and you hated all of it till the last twenty. Wow I did not know there were so many idiots who could read. <p> I mean who in their right mind would continue on if they hated it? Fools thats who.
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST
Easy! Susannah going to a psuedo-Earth to hang out with a pseudo-Eddie and a pseudo-Jake and wait for a pseudo-Oy while she throws Roland's rusted gun in the garbage. Stephen King, THE MAN Himself, told us all EXACTLY how he felt about the Dark Tower series at that point and THAT was his real "message to the reader" - I mean, apart from the 40 odd pages he spent in the last novel alone bitching, whining and complaining about his readers...
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST
I loved the part when *SPOILER* Ralph and Lois are exploring Atropos hideout and the room with the countless "souvenirs" from his victims, very creepy, plus the introduction of The Crimson King was cool
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST
I hated all of the last three novels, but thanks for your assumption. I think most of the Dark Tower fans feel about the same.
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST
That those who enjoyed the last three Dark Tower novels are the same sort of readers who think Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson are making really strong, solid contributions to the Dune universe and writing great novels, too...which should tell you just about everything you need to know about those defending those three pieces of literary excrement.
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST
I loved the part when *SPOILER* Ralph and Lois are exploring Atropos hideout and the room with the countless "souvenirs" from his victims, very creepy, plus the introduction of The Crimson King was cool
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST
hey I got an idea assholes, spend thirty years writing your own fucking epic metaphysical novel that blends worlds, time and space. <p> Then when we see how right you are you can laugh at all of us whom would dare think the story ended the way it was intended rather than whatever you have decided would be best. <p> I love the first three novels, but Calla left me breathless, Susannah was a brilliant cliffhanger and The Dark Tower was nigh infallible for me. From the Dixie Pig, to ALguel, the breakers, Sheemie, Eddies death, Jakes death, Oy's death(choke), Dandelo, the Crimson King and Rolands final climb it was the most amazing ending ever. <p> I have been reading King for over twenty years, have seen Flagg in all his guises and all I can say is I felt deep satisfaction at his end. A glorious battle was too worthy of such a false god. He got just what he deserved. To die horribly, painfully, scared and alone.
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST
sorry for the insults but dude, your throwing them about willy nilly yourself. I like the last three Dark Tower books, I guess I must be retarded or something. I mean only geniuses waste their time reading thousands of pages if they don't enjoy it right???
Nov. 14, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST
I mean using the book for toilet paper? wow, people on the internet sure take their rage seriously don't they?
Nov. 14, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST
When I picked up DaVinci I got Ten pages in, realised it was tripe and threw it away never to think of it again.<p> I did not, however, start slagging off people who enjoyed it. <p> I just don't get these people who call King a hack, say he hasn't produced anything of note since cocaine, have read all of his later work, yet see fit to heap scorn on those of us who genuinely feel that we weren't ripped off, and are happy to continue reading him.<p> For christ sake, their are fuckwits here who claim to be able to prove he didn't write Rose Madder because they said so. Thats the proble with the internet, all the crazies get a say...
Nov. 14, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST
I just didn't go in with preconceptions with each book, i just let it flow.
Nov. 14, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST
It's a quote from Lindelof
Nov. 14, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST
A cowboy jumping on the back of a gigantic robot grizzly bear? (Insert audience laugh at loud here.)A little dog/cat thing called OY? (Insert audience laugh at loud here.)A talking cho-cho train? (Insert audience laugh at loud here.) Sample Dialoge from Book: "SEE YOU LATER ALLIGATOR AFTER A WHILE CROCODILE DON'T FORGET TO WRITE." "TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY."Dad-a-chum, dad-a-chee! Not to worry, you've got the key!" "Do people in your world always want only one story flavor at a time? Only one taste in their mouths?" Theres much, much, much, much more infantile, juvenial, and just flat out HOWL inducing crap in this series, and most of it is unavoidable and would have to be put up on the screen. This is no LORD OF THE RINGS epic here, folks. This is a 15 year old in a 60 year olds body writing as King and putting every retarded idea he has on paper. Fuck this is horrible stuff.
Nov. 14, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST
I can't even put paper towels down my toilet, but you put hundreds of novel pages down yours? What's your secret?!!!
Nov. 14, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST
Earlier this year, so I was able to read them consecutively with no wait in between. I do think this may have an impact on how easily I swallow the last three books, but I probably would've enjoyed them all regardless. But I can see how someone who has been reading the series since the early 80s could be let down by the final 3 books being rushed out in as many years. I felt the same way about the Harry Potter series... if I hadn't started reading them AFTER Hallows was already released, I probably would've been massively disappointed in the final installment.
Nov. 14, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST
I don't have time to read a 10,000+ page book. Give me the coles notes version of the story
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST
Do they not read their own talkback articles or did Quint take the money for posting the article straight to the strippers?
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST
Classic King, though he's written some great new stuff, too.
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST
One at a time man...one at a time... :)
Nov. 14, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST
"Write your own novels!" - I love that nonsense. It's not my responsibility to take pen in hand and write something. If I, like so many thousands and thousands of other DT fans since the first novel, disliked the abhorrant bullshit that King spewed out of his rectum and called 5, 6, and 7, than it's my desire to do so. As to "not reading them if I didn't like them", you ever driven past a car accident and slowed down to take a look, even though you knew you shouldn't? I had no problem with the ending, it was the last three STORIES entirely that were garbage. I could excuse the lackluster, half-hearted cop-out "I don't know what to do" ending, but the story, depictions of my much beloved characters and overwhelming "Jump the Sharkedness" of the last three just cannot be ignored. If you TRULY enjoyed them, I pity you.
The Gunslinger, The Drawing of the Three, The Waste Lands and Wizard and Glass were brilliant works. Absolutely magnificent, extremely moving and I just couldn't wait to see how it all was going to play out...until Stephen King wrote the last three novels. Published right on top of each other, was anyone in doubt that he was rushing to the conclusion? I wasn't, just as soon as it was announced that the last three were going to be released back to back, I groaned in frustration. I mean, George Lucas and Stephen King both said what? "I had to sit down and force myself to write"...not exactly promising, right? Wolves was a convoluted mess that saw everybody acting completely out of character - and if King does go back to the well for another go around, the time between Wizard and Wolves would be the time to do it, because they both feel like completely different novels... In any regards, by the time he resorted to the cheap trick of inserting himself into the novels (ego much?), I just could have thrown myself under a truck. Any writer worth a whit at all will tell you that self insertion into any work that's not an autobiography is a cheap gimmick and never works well. The Dark Tower had original, interesting characters enough...who really needed King to insert himself in order to "save the day"? I certainly didn't. All the build up, for years, for nothing...Mordred's build up was tremendous, but he ended up being pathetic and easily beaten...Dandelion (or whatever his name was, the emotional vampire) was idiotic and easily beaten...Flagg was a buffoon and easily beaten...Susannah running off on the eve of reaching the Tower to go to a pseudo-Earth to hang out with a pseudo-Eddie and a pseudo-Jake while they waited for a pseudo-Oy to join them was just incomprehensible...but I believe that the visual of her throwing Roland's gun into the garbage was really King's TRUE message to his constant readers as to how he felt about the whole series at that point, and I back that up by the 20 odd pages he spent berating the readers for wanting to see what happened next or reading the series in the first place...I mean, REALLY! What kind of egomaniac asshole berates his readers for wanting to read his work? The Crimson King, ultimate evil? "EEEE!". Yeah, man, I shit myself in terror. Fucking puh-lease! The (non)ending was alright, but such an anti-climatic fizzle-out that I vowed never to buy anything new from King ever again, and I haven't to this day. I picked up Cell used at a Goodwill and was glad I didn't pay more than $2 for it because it wasn't worth more than that. Nothing he's written since 1997 has been. You wanna put the Dark Tower series on the screen? Put it on HBO as an animated series, start with The Gunslinger and quit at Wizard and Glass, just leaving it unfinished...it was certainly better off that way.
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:12 p.m. CST
There were some decent visuals at times. Some of the scenes in Wolves were good scenes, and there was some tension. Song of Susannah was almost a complete toss, but there were a few cool scenes of Thunderclap and End World scattered haphazardly throughout The Dark Towers conclusion. If you could pull out about 70% of those last three books, leave the 30% or so that actually worked and base three new novels on that, you might actually end up with a pretty decent conclusion to that story....where's the Phantom Edit when you need it?!?
Nov. 14, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST
Had he limited it to the "Trilogy of King" that Roland and Susannah ran into outside of the Crimson King's abandoned castle, that I could have let slide. Of all the self-appearances he made, that was the only one that made any kind of sense at all.
Nov. 14, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST
bullshit I say, Duma Key was really good, Cell was entertaining and Just After Sunset contains some awesome short stories (so does Everything's Eventual)
Nov. 14, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST
Nov. 14, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST
Cell and Just After Sunset were good reads. I thought Cell was lean and mean, and the ending was great. The short stories in SUNSET were also very good stuff, every bit as good as his old stuff. BUT..After book 3, THE DARK TOWER sucked ass big time. Word.
Nov. 15, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST
you made it sound as if you thought the entirety of The Dark Tower series sucked
Nov. 15, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST
Roland will have the horn of eld?
Nov. 15, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST
Hey, look at the hooks on your pants makes you wanna dance. I say yeah yeah, I say yeah yeah. There ain't never a catch, all you got to do is snatch, do the velcro fly, do the velcro fly. You need just enough of that sticky stuff to hold the seams of your fine blue jeans. I say yeah yeah. I say yeah yeah. There ain't never a catch, all you got to do is snatch, do the velcro fly, do the velcro fly. Well, it feels so right when you squeezed it tight, when you reach the end do it over again. I say yeah yeah. I say yeah yeah. There ain't never a catch, all you got to do is snatch, do the velcro fly, do the velcro fly.
Nov. 15, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST
Nov. 15, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST
Already has some previous Stephen King experience with The Stand and he already has some previous limbless character experience with Forrest Gump. <P> I should be a fuckin' casting director.
Nov. 15, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST
No-for me, #1 was OK but tedious, #2 was friggin GREAT!, #3 was good but I still have a hard time buying the giant Robot bear and silly Choo Choo, but...the SONG OF SUSSANNA was a really long winded and terrible Harlequin Romance novel. Then, the next one starts the enevitable downward cycle into stupidity. I used to collect SK 1st additions and i have them all wrapped and boxed away, so I am a huge fan, but those books are to me his weakest work. How cool would it be if he did a sequel to one of his classics? Heres to wishing...
Nov. 16, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
...King novels in recent times, that can compare to his super work from the late '70's and early '80's was the short novel, THE GIRL WHO LOVED TOM GORDON. That was vintage Stephen King, as are his recent short story collections.
Nov. 16, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST
What a great little book. I'd like some of these kids who read TWILIGHT to read that one and forever convert them to the Church of Steve. Read it!
Nov. 16, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST
King pissed off all the Twilight fans, that alone makes him my freakin' hero
Nov. 16, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST
I read The Stand when I was 15, then after that I started The Gunslinger. It was okay, but Roland was kind of a bastard. There was an epic set-up, but then came The Drawing of the Three. That was a tough book to read. You spend most of it with Roland sick and dying, grinding his way up that beach with a pissed off Eddie Dean and a psycho and annoying Susannah. The only satisfying part was the shootout with the mobsters in '87 New York. <p> After that, the quest really doesn't begin until Wastelands. Immediately from the start you have the fight with the giant bear, all of the old technology, and you really, truly see just how dead and dying Roland's World had become. Next you have Jake having a breakdown at school, finding the rose (which was fucking brilliantly written), going off on his parents and telling them to get fucked, going to the house of the guardian, and the demon rape. The story just kept getting more and more epic. Then there's the buildup to Lud, where the gunslingers mop the floor with all the degenerates there. Jake was kidnapped and Roland goes, finds him, and fucks up everyone in the room. Next you have Blaine the Monorail, who had started out as a servant to the ancients, but after the world moved on, the Grays and Pubes had begun worshiping him as a god. So, he decides the best way to serve the new humans is to behave as an angry god, not to mention he was going crazy because the rot of Roland's world was sinking into his own circuitry. So, just when you think the Dark Tower could not become any more bad-ass, Randall Fucking Flagg, one of the greatest villains ever, shows up and reveals himself as the Ageless Stranger. HOLY SHIT. Then Wastelands ends on a cliffhanger not seen since The Empire Strikes back. <p> God, then we had to wait 6-7 years or so for Wizard and Glass. It was well written, but it was one huge flashback that had very little bearing on the story. The only thing that furthered the plot was the Wizard of Oz stuff at the end. <p> After that, the series takes possibly the worst nosedive I haven't seen since Alien 3. The dying and creepy world opens up to the fucking Calla, which felt NOTHING like anything we had been built up for. It's full of people with an annoying dialogue and dialect. <p> Song of Susannah was fucking filler with nothing very satisfying going on. Susannah has to freak out again and become a piece of shit person....again. <p> DT7. What. The. Fuck? <p> Mordred comes out of nowhere, gets built up to be the newest of the new bad guys. He kills Flagg in one page. Flagg. Randall Flagg, described as some sort of Lovecraftian demon like Nyarlothotep, turns out to be rather human after all. You see, he really wasn't this badass demon of creeping, faceless darkness, but a kid who ran away from home and got assraped by some pedophile. I'm not fucking kidding! That was the explanation that was given as he was fucking dying. <p> So then King destroys the 4th Wall and injects himself into the story as the Godlike Writer. We then get yet another retelling of the time he got hit by the van. Now mind you, the guy who hit him actually died in real life. Did that stop King? No, he spared no expense telling the world how much of a douchebag the guy was. AGAIN. <p> Meanwhile, Mordred then eats some bad food, gets the shits, manages to kill Oy, then dies. The Crimson King turns out to be some guy who lost his keys to the Dark Tower, locked himself out on the back porch, and started throwing Sneetches from Harry Fucking Potter when Roland comes walking up. He hurls sneetches and screams, "EEEEEEEE!!!!" Does Roland kill him? ROFL! A retard kills him with a magical eraser. <p> We then get this petulant rant from King, who knows he's fucked up the entire story by this point, so he tells us not to read the ending, which really wasn't that bad. I liked the ending. I honestly did. I just didn't like the half-assed events leading up to the ending. <p> The last three books just don't feel like Dark Tower books. Either King hired a Ghost Writer, or he was so fucked up from pain killers that he was just out of his goddamned mind when he sat down to finish the story.
Nov. 16, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST
Right there with ya, man. Couldn't have said it better. From one broken-hearted Dark Tower fan to another, I salute you...
Nov. 16, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST
Your hero can blow me. He's certainly FORGOTTEN an awful lot about writing, on that note, I'll gladly agree with you.
Nov. 16, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST
your talking to people who KNOW how the Dark Tower should have been written.
Nov. 16, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST
No, he's talking to people who know how The Dark Tower SHOULDN'T have been written.
Nov. 16, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST
hahahahahahaaa. Just laughing at all the halfwits who complain. Every complaint or "bad point" is actually a reason why the last three are genius books. Retards. You must not actually engage your brain while you read and expect to be dragged along a plot without much need for subtext. YER DAIN IT RANG!!!!
Nov. 16, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST
I'll agree with you that the Wastelands was awesome, I loved Jake finding the rose, that part had me literally giggling with excitement, it was fucking awesome
Nov. 16, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST
redteeb- You know the saying about opinions being like assholes...everyone's got one. You loved all 7 books. Good, I envy you. I just couldn't get over some things that came across as lazy writing and I felt let down by it. <p> Crimson king- I think The Wastelands was the best book King has ever written, to be honest. It was certainly the one book in the series where the most happened to further the overall plot. King talks about his books being multi-genre, and Wastelands was definitely it... Sci-fi, horror, western, fantasy, action, you name it. What's more, he weaved it all together perfectly. <p> King's just notoriously bad for his endings. He admits with The Stand that he got bogged down 500-600 pages in and had to kill off half his cast to progress. I think it's obvious he ran into the same problem with The Dark Tower (especially book 7) when he introduced several new characters and killed them off quickly, along with several prominent characters from previous books. How many die in book 7? Flagg, Eddie, Jake, Oy, Father Callahan, Mordred, the Crimson King--most of whom have one-note deaths at that--all die in the last book. On top of that, Susannah says "Fuck it," and leaves. <p> This will be one series I won't mind so much them making changes to if they adapt it to film. <p> King is kind of like George Lucas in that he needed someone (in King's case an editor) who wouldn't be afraid to reign him in a little.
Nov. 17, 2009, 5:43 a.m. CST
I've only read the uncut version, but I loved the ending with Flagg reappearing on the island and the natives worshiping him, it was badass, but I will agree that The Stand loses a little steam near the end, it's a great book overall, but the first 80 percent or so is the best
Nov. 17, 2009, 6:54 a.m. CST
I loved all the stuff after up to and after Vegas.
Nov. 17, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST
after all, it'd be fascinating to see how the world of The Stand evolves over time
Nov. 17, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST
the actual focus of The Stand was the titular stand between Randall Flagg and Mother Abigail and that's over by the end of the book, still perhaps a sequel could take place a few hundred years after the book and deal with Flagg's return?
Nov. 22, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST
I love discussing Stephen King with you guys
Nov. 29, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST
If anyone's gonna read this, but wha the hell...have you seen this "Discordia" thing? looks interesting http://www.stephenking.com/darktower/discordia.html
Dec. 8, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST
I loved it