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Published at:  Nov 13, 2009 3:55:53 PM CST


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Tuesday 18-49 finals:

4.4 (4.3) (3.3) (4.7) (4.5) (4.3) (4.6) (4.8) NCIS
3.8 (5.0) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) V
3.8 (3.5) (3.7) (3.9) (3.5) (3.7) (3.6) (3.1) The Biggest Loser
3.7 (3.6) (2.1) (3.9) (3.5) (3.6) (4.1) (4.4) NCIS Los Angeles
3.5 (3.1) (3.0) (3.4) (2.9) (2.6) (2.6) (3.5) Dancing With The Stars
2.8 (2.7) (1.8) (2.8) (2.8) (2.9) (3.1) (3.1) The Good Wife
2.3 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Robin Roberts Nashville
2.3 (2.4) (2.5) (----) (----) (2.5) (2.4) (----) So You Think You Can Dance
1.9 (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) The Jay Leno Show
1.9 (1.8) (1.8) (2.0) (1.8) (2.0) (1.9) (1.9) Sons of Anarchy
1.3 (1.4) (1.2) (1.1) (1.0) (1.4) (1.5) (----) The Hills
1.2 (1.0) (0.6) (1.1) (1.1) (1.2) (1.2) (1.0) 90210
0.9 (1.1) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) (1.3) (----) The City
0.7 (0.8) (0.4) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) Melrose Place
0.4 (0.6) (1.4) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Monica: Still Standing
0.5 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Tabatha's Salon Takeover

* “V” gave ABC fall’s biggest series premiere, and now it’s given ABC fall’s biggest second-week drop among broadcast series (beating even “FlashForward’s”). It still won its 8 p.m. timeslot.

* “Melrose Place” pulling a smaller 18-49 than “The City” and returning to its series low does not auger well. Ashlee Simpson Wentz is leaving the show and I think Heather Locklear returns to the franchise next week; we’ll see how much that helps.

* Leno was down on its strongest night, but avoided matching its all-time Tuesday low.

* In Wednesday news, ABC today cancelled its low-rated sitcom “Hank” with no plans to air the five unaired episodes completed. It canned the higher-rated “Eastwick” yesterday.

Find James Hibberd’s analysis here.



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    Readers Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:08:51 PM CST

    Primero

    by beedub

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:13:30 PM CST

    Odd

    by rogue trooper

    I've never really understood the US networks' obsession with ratings. It seems just a little obsessive to me. Programmes and programming don't appear to get the room to breathe that they need to develop.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:13:41 PM CST

    So what does this mean for a return pick up, for V?

    by jamie mcbain

    Just curious, that's all.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 7:19:09 PM CST

    Jamie McBain

    by hercules

    So far so good as regards V returning in March, but ABC doesn't have to decide until after it sees ratings for the fourth episode airing in two weeks.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:24:07 PM CST

    Ad revenue drives the US networks, Rogue Trooper

    by jumpinjehosaphat

    Ratings means big bucks. Good ratings are needed to see profits. They rarely think in any sort of long-term, but merely season to season. That's changing, too, with the advent of split seasons.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:27:20 PM CST

    NICS L A sinking slowly

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The show gets worse every week.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:28:23 PM CST

    Sons of Anarchy...

    by red ned lynch

    ...and a thanks to talkbackers. Again. An Fx show about bikers starring Hellboy and Peg Bundy was not something I would have ever tried out on my own. Who would have thought it was Hamlet on motorcycles? Thanks to the talkbackers who made comments that convinced me to give it a grudging look. Saw my first one just over a week ago. I've seen them all now. Glad it's getting the good ratings.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:33:27 PM CST

    Stop Pimping Star Trek

    by georgieboy

    Jeez, do you have to pimp that DVD on EVERY page?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:37:56 PM CST

    They HAVE to pimp the Trek DVD in all articles

    by rkdn

    it was part of the contract.

    Reply to Talkback

  • y'know, the one that requires 'bloggers' and 'freelance media sites' to disclose all their paid content contracts?
    That's going to be one very cool day here, aint it?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:44:18 PM CST

    V: lame FBI procedural + aliens that don't do anything.

    by margot_tenenbaum

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:45:52 PM CST

    When did they make a new Trek movie?

    by burnednotice_dude

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:47:09 PM CST

    Trek

    by hercules

    deserves every ounce of pimpage it can garner.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:53:12 PM CST

    V: awesome show

    by cylon_conspiracy

    great job.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:53:25 PM CST

    I think ABC would want to decide on new V episodes soon

    by spyguy

    The longer they wait to decide, the longer it is before new episodes go into production and are finally ready for airing. And if the ratings for episodes three and four are relatively high, wouldn't they want new episodes in time for February sweeps?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 7:57:09 PM CST

    They want to wait until the Olympics, end, I guess.

    by jamie mcbain

    Before airing beyond episode four, if it gets picked up, for the rest of the series.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 8:11:42 PM CST

    Sons of Anarchy

    by kirbdaddy

    Isn't that the show about fags???

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 8:30:18 PM CST

    I like V but....

    by bacardirocky

    I don't think this series has a bright future. The second episode was lacking, especially after how much was revealed in just the first episode one week ago and I doubt audiences are going to be fully invested to put up with a long break between new episodes when it returns to TV in March. LOST is all that matter and once it returns to TV, no one is even going to remember there was a new V series on ABC. V will return and quietly go the way of the dodo.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 8:32:57 PM CST

    V is Guaranteed Cancelled

    by thusspakespymunk

    The actors have all publicly stated they're looking for other shows. I think the lead male actor has a new show. V was fucking done before it aired. AMERICA HATES GENRE!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 8:35:29 PM CST

    V just didn't impress me...

    by red ned lynch

    ...I'll give it the full four to engage me, but so far it seems very...naive, I guess? Precious? Unacquainted with nearly every topic it touches on, from law enforcement to journalism to genuine human emotions? I want to like it but the first two episodes haven't done much to encourage me.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 8:46:59 PM CST

    Kirkdaddy, mixing up shows

    by shutupfanboy

    Fags are the people who don't watch it. Sons is the Truth, everything else is bullshit.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 8:54:47 PM CST

    V was kinda cool

    by nabster

    but the second episode was definetely much weaker than the first. Still it would've been nice if it survived, but I don't see that happening, they could atleast give us all four hours on consecutive days.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 9:19:49 PM CST

    V won't get cancelled

    by lockesbrokenleg

    ABC needs something to air after Dancing goes on break. I expect V or FF to lead into Lost next year.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 9:20:49 PM CST

    About Anna from V:

    by jaymrobinson

    Why does Anna speak English fluently with a perfect accent, but she speaks Japanese with a bad American accent?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 9:28:35 PM CST

    jaymrobinson

    by bacardirocky

    Everyone knows that our future evil reptilian rulers all speak with an American accent.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 9:33:29 PM CST

    V

    by j2talk

    liked the idea a the V's being here for awhile...something that the original missed-save being hinted at....Why do the V's speak with an American accent? TV signals most tv is American.....seriously the accent is what you find fault with? come on people, relax, sit back and enjoy it.....

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 9:46:20 PM CST

    I enjoyed V

    by jaymrobinson

    ...just wondering why with all their technology, the only language they can speak naturally is English. Almost as bad a s Ando-kun in Heroes. Hehehe.... Or George Takei for that matter.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 9:53:19 PM CST

    V or FF, which is the more mediocre show!

    by saen

    I am big sci-fi guy; and I can not get into either of these shows. FF is just plain boring, and I could not find any character to get attached to. V also seemed quite boring, and again I cant find a character to support. Oh and I absolutely hate both shows for saying the title of the show over and over and over and over again. Every time someone says the Vs! or talk about their FlashForward, I want to punch something!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 10:24:51 PM CST

    Still holding on for V goodness...

    by dickballsworth

    Though they have yet to top THIS.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 10:25:45 PM CST

    And by THIS I mean...

    by dickballsworth

    http://tinyurl.com/ydb5ylw

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  • Nov 11, 2009 11:11:45 PM CST

    Wait a second. Snce Alan Tudyk was...

    by darthcorleone

    ...stabbed in the chest in V and is still alive, does this mean he might still be alive in the Firefly universe as well?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 11:11:49 PM CST

    V is taking too long..

    by kaos11director

    They were pretty much exposed to the world during the first part of the miniseries(of the original incarnation). The spike balls are stupid and no lasers? WTF!? They fight like Buffy demons. They need to get things moving. I could barely take 2 more episodes tops.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 11:21:10 PM CST

    V was supposed to be the new LOST

    by adelai niska

    ...but LOST had great characters and gave us no clue about what was happening for the entire first season. V has shit characters and gave away the entire story in the first 42 minutes.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 11, 2009 11:21:33 PM CST

    In the original "V" series, there is a Visitor pilot

    by kabong

    strafing Resistance people and snarling that he hates humans.

    That's the way aliens should act.

    There is another scene where humans, hefty bodybuilders, are posing before they get turned into Visitor dinner. New "V" has a reporter boy who wouldn't make a snack.

    Get moving, morons, or get off the screen.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 11:26:56 PM CST

    The problem with Flashforward is that it tries too hard to

    by gravybits

    be LOST, with it's pendantic forced trivia references. And least in LOST they are treated subtley, and thrown in as Easter Eggs once in a while. And V is just plain boring. This year, the new comedies are way better than the new dramas.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 11:33:15 PM CST

    The fat kid on V is the worst character of all time

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    So bad, I want the actor playing him to die.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 11:34:00 PM CST

    yeah, I gotta say I'm giving up on V

    by heavenlykid

    The stakes seem pretty low, and it's fairly predictable. Plus, having lived through BSG, I just don't want to spend another four years going "but who are the secret Cylons, I mean, visitors?"

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  • Nov 11, 2009 11:34:11 PM CST

    The fat kid is a lizard

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He was set up to the the FBI agent kid's friend so he could get into the house.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 11:35:59 PM CST

    Oh and the old priest has got to be a lizard

    by gravybits

  • Nov 12, 2009 12:08:17 AM CST

    I think the young preist is a lizard

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov 12, 2009 12:10:02 AM CST

    No, the real problem with V, FlashForward et al...

    by stegman84

    ...is that they don't realise that the masses have absolutely no patience for a naturally unfolding story anymore. And the minority that actually still have attention spans mostly watch cable. Everything on network tv has to be MORE! BIGGER! FASTER! or otherwise be a loosely, at best, strung together series of 'adventure-of-the-week' episodes. I mean you have people above complaining that V is moving too slow after only two fucking episodes. Sad, but true.Oh, and yes, Sons of Anarchy is easily amongst the best shows on tv right now. Glad to see it rating so well.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:24:50 AM CST

    naturally unfolding or unnaturally extended?

    by bmacsmith

    you never really know until it ends. To this day X-Files has pretty much killed my interest in serials. I'm still waiting on Lost to end before i see it. i want to know if they really had a plan or if it was all bullshit to drag on a popular show.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:02:49 AM CST

    I'm sorry but....

    by bileranter

    I have no idea what the fuck all that crap means. Is it this formula for TV I've been reading about?

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:27:32 AM CST

    BMacSmith

    by misterbadia

    I am a big fan of the X-files and it still disappoints me how they ended on a cliffhanger with so many loose ends. The writers on Lost chose to map an enddate for the show specificacly to avoid "tapdancing" or padding the story for 8 or 9 years. You're wise to wait until it ends but you are really missing out on an incredible show right now because it seems very unlikely they're going to go down the X-files route.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:28:17 AM CST

    specifically not specificacly

    by misterbadia

  • Nov 12, 2009 1:32:12 AM CST

    lockesbrokenleg--fat kid

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I agree, he's a visitor. He is seriously, annoying. They are probably playing up his enthusiasm to make us all feel depressed when it is revealed. He is the only part of the show that bothers me.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:33:45 AM CST

    I liked episode 2 better

    by dreamfasting

    The trouble with episode ratings in any series/franchise is they really only tell you what viewers thought of the *previous* episode not the current episode. Contrary to many people here, I felt episode 2 fixed some of the problems of episode 1 by backing off the total they're-everyone-and-everywhere paranoia and asking some interesting questions about trust. But I agree that if they're going to sell themselves as an action series rather than a slow-burning drama, they need to get some hooks that generates episodic action.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:38:14 AM CST

    "I think the lead male actor has a new show"

    by smackfu

    Scott Wolf? For one thing, Scott Wolf leaving a show can only improve it. Second, that cat is lucky he's not waiting tables at Chilis, he's the last person who should be leveraging job offers.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 2:02:26 AM CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yep. It's one part of that show that was really obvious. Notice how the fat kid is not too thrilled when he gets on the spaceship. He's probably fat cause he ate some humans.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 2:22:21 AM CST

    so far it's very Earth: Final Conflict

    by maniaq

    I *want* to like it but it is putting up some serious competition to Flashforward for the lame SciFi of the year award
    I blame the networks - this bullshit "let's see how it rates" tactic KILLED Jericho and countless other shows and they have obviously butchered someone's vision here with this miniseries that isn't actually a miniseries or maybe it is we just don't know...
    FFS someone in that Goddamned organisation GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS AND MAKE A DECISION!!
    Ratings are useless in this here 21st Century anyway - TIVO KILLED THE RATINGS (STAR) with the ability to strip all ads from your shows that they WON the right to do fair and square in a court of law.
    shit I haven't seen an entire ad all year, thanks to Auto-Commercial-Skip - and the networks can suck it
    they have had plenty of opportunity to develop a BETTER system that actually works - and works ONLINE as well as on the TV - instead they hang onto a useless antiquated system that is good for nothing but killing potentially decent shows

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  • Nov 12, 2009 2:25:56 AM CST

    and the younger priest passed the test

    by maniaq

    everybody saw his skull
    the older priest... seems a little obvious, but then again... subtle is maybe not something they are going for here

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  • Nov 12, 2009 3:06:00 AM CST

    Older priest is too obvious

    by cylon_conspiracy

    They are shouting "This man is a visitor! He keeps trying to protect them!" So there's no way he could actually be a visitor.

    Which is what they WANT you to think! He's a part of the plan!

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  • Nov 12, 2009 3:26:06 AM CST

    so sorry fo V

    by superchecco

    I enjoed the pilot i'd be sorry if abc cancells this.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 3:47:13 AM CST

    So far, their biggest problem is the TECH.

    by v'shael

    We have aliens building interstellar massive mother ships, shuttles, etc... They can intercept 9/11 calls remotely and all that bull. They have floating kino's like Stargate Universe, but which can fire blades in a bad ass way.

    But apparently, what they can't do, is have one of those gravity defying blade throwing kinos transmit the sort of crappy visible light image that even my mobile phone can produce.

    In a case where crappy plotting led to crappy writing, they couldn't have the visitors get pictures of who was at the meeting, so we see a red thermal blur for Ms FBI and Father Studly.

    If a species had the technology we regularly see in the show, humanity would be fucked. Mind you, the same problem existed in the original series too.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 4:22:09 AM CST

    It's just a show

    by cylon_conspiracy

    But even so, they have to come up with ways to make POVs look different depending on if it's a machine or a human, and if everything was perfect, and both sides had every advantage in the world,there would be no conflict in the show and hence no point. So one side has to have a handicap. It's enjoyed by suspending disbelief.

    Don't forget the part where it's highly unlikely that a lizard like alien species from a different planet would evolve in such a way that they were bipedal, and in every other respect identical to human beings, to the point where all they had to do was put on a thin layer of synthetic skin in order to blend in with the humans. I really don't buy that either.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 4:46:10 AM CST

    The race to mediocrity

    by the mcpoyle clan

    FF has a big lead, but if V continues like the 2nd episode, it will be close. I think the cast of V does a better job with what they're given, though.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 5:00:32 AM CST

    2nd episode was pretty boring....

    by flandersbum

    ...compared to the first. I can possibly see why the suits halted production after 4 episodes if episodes 3 and 4 are like 2. ZZZZzzzzzzzzz.......

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  • Nov 12, 2009 5:09:27 AM CST

    I agree he's too obvious to be a lizard

    by maniaq

    I'm thinking he's like the kid - a collaborator - or at least will become one..
    he's going to highlight how the lizards capture the hearts and minds of ordinary people and convince them to INFORM on others and generally become tools of the occupation...
    I'm just waiting for the inevitable call for the lizards to use the "peacekeeping" force they prepared just before the show, so they can roll out the orange jumpsuits and jackboots - and the laser weapons!!
    bring back laser weapons!
    BSG going for ballistic weapons was... ok in a quaint kind of way, but there's if no yellow sunnies, no vocoders, and no forked tongues, THERE BETTER BE SOME GODDAMN LASERS IN THIS SHOW!

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  • Nov 12, 2009 5:11:56 AM CST

    How did V win it's timeslot...

    by talandir

    if NCIS had higher ratings?

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  • Nov 12, 2009 5:57:33 AM CST

    @Talandir Because in demographics, we are not equal.

    by v'shael

    Some are more equal than others.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 6:02:08 AM CST

    Where are the nifty zapping ray guns in "V"?

    by spifftacular squirrel girl

    I'm sticking to watching "V" but I kind of agreed that the second episode just had horrible pacing and the big reveals weren't all that revealing considering they were spoiled in the season preview at the end of the first episode.

    I have a feeling once all the characters and resistance is finally all set up things will get more interesting but hopefully it moves forward a little quicker sooner than later.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 6:36:42 AM CST

    Anna

    by dr fractal

    i agree that the show is mediocre at best, but i'm surprised that no one is talking about how smoking anna is. am i the only one?

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  • Nov 12, 2009 6:59:01 AM CST

    If XENU ran the show...

    by bobjustbob

    ... they would be clams instead of lizards.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 7:26:18 AM CST

    i must have been watching a different show

    by lane_myers111

    came on here first and saw all the hate for episode 2 and expected the worst. I thought it was easily as good as episode 1 and im really enjoying it. Love all the stuff on board the Mothership with anna and her number two and thought the news guy was a lot better this week. The way they are garnering world wide support country by country was interesting if a bit hurried. The torture scene was particularly realistic and intense. Love the stuff with the black guy having his arm fixed and slowly connecting with his former alien defectors. Special effects are great. Love the "dont know who to trust" angle. Only story im not liking is the Son who is trying to get it on with Supergirl alien. Cant stand that guy and his fat mate and everytime i see her i think of the shitfest that is smallville. And if there are any smallville fans calling this show bad then you need to reevaluate your perceptions.

    its definitely unfolding nicely and i look forward to next week.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 7:50:39 AM CST

    Kill the son, save the show

    by turketron_2

    I agree, the son and his fat friend and the supergirl alien are the worst part of the show. Vaporize them all.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 8:16:17 AM CST

    The new V is too rushed

    by sithdan

    In Johnson's original masterpiece he at least took time to develop his characters, so viewers warmed up to Donovan, Julie, and the like. You actually cared about the characters. ABC's V wanted to cut to the chase and pretty much crammed four hours worth of material into one episode.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 8:35:13 AM CST

    Stegman84

    by rob0729

    I disagree. Yes, people don't have patience with TV, but if it is executed correctly they will wait. Lost has questions still open from the first season. We still don't fully know what the island is about. We don't really know who Jacob is, why Richard Alpert doesn't age or who he really is, etc. The viewing public can be patient.
    Also, I think that V suffers from the opposite. I think they throw too much at the audience at once and don't give them enough time to digest. They should have dragged out Alan Tudyk as part of an Alien Sleeper Cell at least an episode or two. It would have brought more drama if he continued to sabotage the investigation and allowed them to bring everyone in the office into suspect. The other night, they were forced to resort to a weaker is the one of the last five cylons who is part of the Vistor investigation commission a Visitor or not. It is far weaker.
    Too me, V's biggest flaw is that they bought into the notion that the audience doesn't have the patients so reveal everything quickly.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 8:42:06 AM CST

    The son was the worst part of the original too...

    by v'shael

    Kudos to the actor, for being able to play him so unsympathetically.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 8:45:23 AM CST

    Guess I'm in the Minority

    by _maltheus_

    I thought the second episodes was a vast improvement over the first. While this isn't the kind of show I'd try to get people into, it doesn't bore me in the way Flashforward and Fringe did. Still too early to judge, but it'll lose all its momentum after the hiatus, which will ultimately result in its cancellation anyway.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 8:46:06 AM CST

    V'Shael

    by rob0729

    Yeah, I agree that the image being so bad is strange considering the advanced technology. My only guess is that being aliens, they process visual information different and eventhough we saw blurry people, they saw Elizabeth Mitchell in clear image. Otherwise, that is weak.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 8:50:21 AM CST

    I'll watch, but i'm not liking it.

    by sylarthecylon

    The motherships in the original had a special look to them, as if they were made of concrete. This made them appear heavy, massive and threatening as they inexplicably hovered over the cities. The sparse decoration of the ships made them mysterious -magical, different, ie. alien, but also archaic, ancient and familiar in how they have the classic UFO shape. And the ancient look also made them threatening on a psychological, historical and religious level, appearing like something older than us, challenging our view of the cosmos, and ourselves. It's almost as if the original motherships were made from ceramic! The original director chose to display the arrival of the motherships by contrasting them with old buildings, such as the pyramids. There's even a shot of a mothership hovering over a rural setting. The white transportships, and fighters of the original were cunningly designed to resemble lizards, and had that logo on them.
    In the new version, well...The designs of the ships, uniforms in this new version are utterly bland. They seem to have missed the point completely about what made the original designs so iconic. The new motherships have so much detail on the exterior, unnecessary shapes, and a horrible shiny look. I'm sure the point of that is to make the surface of the new motherships reseble reptile skin, but it's just too obvious. But, hey, at least they didn't give the mothership a tail. In the new version, the arrival of the shiny gray motherships, contrasting against... well, the shiny gray human skyscrapers made from glass and steel...didn't make for much of a contrast at all did it? The motherships in this new series look like extensions of human architecture! The transport ships in the new V look remotely like lizards too, but frankly, compared to the old ships they are utterly bland and remind me of something rendered in Lightwave for Babylon 5. The uniforms remind me of babylon 5 too. In contrast to the exterior of the new ships, the interiors are sparse, with almost no detail in the corridors and rooms... ridiculous. This horrible design choice is no more obvious than in the initial scene where the lower portion of the mothership has myriads of panels turning, to accommodate a giant screen -while in the second episode we can see that the visitors have display technology that doesn't require any sort of panel at all, as Morena uses a kind of holographic display to choose her dress! This detail tell us one thing -they have not thought this out at all. Sure, it's entertainment for the masses, it's 45 minutes of sitting on the sofa vegetating. And of course, I'll watch, but i think we deserved something a bit more thought out! They could have hired 2 geeks to plan this out, but instead they went the obvious route, and gave us another hack job.

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  • seriously anyone remember how the first Mini series ended?
    You now with the messenger sent to the Visitors enemy...the enemy that Martin hinted was a bigger threat than they were? Yet we never heard more about them- well at least not until KJ wrote his sequel novel......there are lots of possibilities for V I just hope ABC gives the show a chance....It would be nice to have something to watch besides another procedural......

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  • Nov 12, 2009 9:06:13 AM CST

    Sithdan

    by rob0729

    I love Elizabeth Mitchell, but her character barely registers a personality. The show focuses on her, but I can't relate to her. The characters seem to just have things happen to them and we get very little insight into them or get any investment.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 9:17:03 AM CST

    Shoot, I was watching Bob Dillan on PBS

    by mistergreen

  • Nov 12, 2009 9:47:21 AM CST

    I like V, ep 2 was slow but entertaining.

    by smashing

    Problem is its 2009, I'm 36 and I have figured out/guessed what's happening 9 times out of 10 at least 20 minutes before most characters in most shows, formula is killing TV,

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  • Nov 12, 2009 10:01:42 AM CST

    The second is not bad....

    by jamie mcbain

    But the show, needs to get exciting, and fast.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 10:20:36 AM CST

    @Rob0729 : My suspicion is that they didn't see her

    by v'shael

    And that instead of having a visual image, where she was simply turned away from the camera, they've gone this route.

    We'll know for certain if/when Erica is in the resistance, but her bosses/the visitors don't know about it. And I suspect that's the direction the show will go in.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 10:23:42 AM CST

    "another mouse?" "No thanks im full!"

    by themanwhocan

    Kill the fat kid please!!
    Have the annoying Son character walk into supergirl’s living quarters and discover in horror that she is half way through eating the tubby loser! Her mouth could be doing the dislocated jaw thing Diana did with the hamsters in the original series. “ummmmm, extra virgin!”

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  • Nov 12, 2009 10:29:29 AM CST

    V'Shael

    by rob0729

    Considering we know Alan Tudyk's character is alive and remembers that she saw his alien face, the image is kinda irrelevant. At least at some level, the Vs will know she is part of the resistance even if Anna doesn't know. But considering she is interested enough to see the images captured, you would think she would interview the only surviving Vistor in the incident.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 10:38:16 AM CST

    "V was supposed to be the new LOST "

    by big jim

    Complete with Lost's opening (with the letter "V" instead of "Lost").I found the first episode to be like a condensed version of the first half of the mini-series - a lot of stuff packed into one hour. The second episode was the opposite - it just seemed like filler. Hopefully the next two episodes will find the right balance between moving the story along too quickly and barely moving at all.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 10:56:51 AM CST

    Big Jim, that's the LOST style

    by margot_tenenbaum

    Do everything in the premiere, stand in place for 20 episodes, big finale. Unfortunately, V doesn't have a Terry O'Quinn or Michael Emerson to make the intervening episodes watchable.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:08:27 AM CST

    @Rob0729 : But do we know that Tudyk is alive?

    by v'shael

    Or are they just reusing the skin job? I think it's too early to tell.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:17:04 AM CST

    I'm enjoying V, personally..

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    all of you saying it needs to 'get moving' need to chill the fuck out and take take your ADD medication. It's two episodes in, ffs.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:17:16 AM CST

    They were screwed with any sort of reveal

    by domi'sinnerchild

    When Diana gobbled the guinea pig in the original series, there was basically PG-Alien chestburter shock. That's gone now, just like it is in every Alien remake. So the only options were to scrap that and rely more on story and/or action than shock. Either that or come up with something else to shock with (I was wondering if they'd scrap the lizards and go with something else). I think that's why they rushed to showing the lizards so fast and now are going with the BSG "who's the Cylon... uh V" thing. Here's hoping they have some original ideas, but these seems kinda dead in the water like FF.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:24:26 AM CST

    Domi'sInnerChild, well for me..

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    it's still got legs because I'm looking forward to terrorist style planned attacks/shoot outs when the resistance is finally formed. That's what always made the old V pretty cool.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:29:34 AM CST

    What we are saying........

    by bobbofatz

    is give V a chance!

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:30:23 AM CST

    Hank CANCELLED! Zoey returns to EUREKA.

    by chromedome

    good news for Eureka fans. (and I tried to watch one ep of Hank, could not get thru it--great casting, terrible terrible writing)

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:31:32 AM CST

    V did about 10 key reveals in the first episode

    by chromedome

    no patience, no faith, smelled of desperation to me

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:32:24 AM CST

    Look, it has hot aliens

    by bobbofatz

    interesting sci fi, some brains, and a lot of potentially cool story lines. What more can ya ask from the boob tube?

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  • Nov 12, 2009 11:45:16 AM CST

    This is not the '80s V.

    by margot_tenenbaum

    It's not going to be an action-filled resisitance vs. Nazis show, its a 24ish government agents vs. terrorists thing with a dash of 'anybody could be a Cylon'.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:12:59 PM CST

    Move it to Friday nights

    by mazzer

    where it belongs. If you're gonna do a remake, then do it significantly different from the first version to make it worthwhile. This thing, to me, feels just like the cheesy original but with cell phones.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:24:59 PM CST

    The V ratings drop was expected

    by jacksparasites

    V had a massive ad campaign for its premiere and still does have a pretty massive ad campaign going. Of course there was inevitably going to be a drop off but as long as its still winning its timeslot with pretty good ratings, it's in great shape. And the second episode was far better written than the first, so that's something.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:30:07 PM CST

    Can I... see an episode of "Hank?"

    by daggor

    I was curious, but I don't watch much network TV. I didn't even know what channel it was on.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:32:07 PM CST

    RE:But do we know that Tudyk is alive?

    by rob0729

    Maybe I thought saw something I didn't in the previews for next week, but I thought Tudyk said he remembered that she hit him in the head. Maybe I am wrong.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:43:19 PM CST

    Domi'sInnerChild

    by rob0729

    They don't need to shock, but reveals can be 100% plotline related and not some CGI shocker. Keeping the who is the mole in the FBI storyline going longer to make the revelation of the mole more interesting would have been better story telling without some Dianna eating the gerbil moment.
    The problem with revealing Alan Tudyk's character was the mole and a V in the first episode, we are told how close he and Erica were via dialog rather than seeing their relationship and how hard it is to believe that her partner of 7 years was a V sleeper agent. Based on their interactions alone, we don't really even know if they liked or hated each other. We only know they were close based on dialog.
    You can say the same thing about Morris Chestnut's character (it is telling that I can't remember character's names). We don't know very much about his assumed life to really see why he would risk everything to stay with his fiance where it has been told to us multiple times than him staying is bad for him and his fiance. All we know is he must love his fiance because he wants to marry her, but really have seen little interaction between the two to justify why he would take the huge risk.
    Again, this goes to my and others criticism of the show. They are not very interested in developing their characters (at least yet) and they are more interested in just pushing all the revelations. They seem to want to sprint into a full scale revolution and sacrificing the audience to get emotionally invested in the characters in any way.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:49:00 PM CST

    V: Hokey, clichéd network crap.

    by azultool

    I tried to give it a chance, but much like FlashForward, I'm giving up. I just get so sick of the networks' bland, predictable, melodramatic way of presenting it's one hour dramas. The networks seem incapable of producing dramas that are worth watching. These two shows are prime examples of that. It's like they try too hard to be edgy. Edge, of course, is impossible to achieve with the restrictions that the network weasels place on writers and showrunners. I'm probably just too spoiled by cable programming. Maybe V would've been better on SciFy, or whatever that channel's called now? But, it sucks on ABC.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:50:09 PM CST

    Lane_myers111

    by cylon_conspiracy

    AICN is the place where people come to shit on other people's hard work and talent.

    The amount of people who actually like the show/movie will always be in the minority of every thread. The idea of this place is not to celebrate cool news, but to make yourself look better by putting said cool news down.

    That being said, I love the new V. I think it's a great update on the original... hope it's a big success.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 12:52:45 PM CST

    Robo : That's very possible I don't watch previews.

    by v'shael

    American TV has never understood the concept of the preview. Just look at how they handled Parkman being shot on Heroes.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:10:42 PM CST

    V.....

    by radioflyer

    I've watched the first two episodes, but don't think I'll continue. It is just too rushed, and the actors are far too "pretty" - not to mention that you can always tell they are "acting".
    Since the visitors have been around for years, I wonder if they will make The President or someone high up a visitor?
    Oh, and the actors playing the two teenage boys that become "Peace Ambassadors" throw down some of the worst TV Acting this side of Telemundo.
    Meh...

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:37:33 PM CST

    V'Shael

    by rob0729

    I do agree that many shows like Heroes do not understand the concept of teasing without revealing too much in the previews, but I have seen international trailers of movies that basically give away every plot twist in the movie in previews that last like 5 minutes. I remember seeing the International trailer for "The Devil Knows When You Are Dead" and it showed the entire movie in 5 minutes.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 1:39:11 PM CST

    There doesn't seem to be any consistency between

    by gravybits

    the lizards. Anna acts very alien like, cold unemotional calculating. But the black guy being a lizard?? come on, he acts perfectly normal, being in a loving relationship. oh, it's because he's adapted to the human way of life... whatever

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  • Nov 12, 2009 2:05:15 PM CST

    Internet age ruins the "Visitor conspiracy" angle...

    by dickballsworth

    Add to that the fact that there are apparently already scores of people worldwide who are anti Visitors (roll that beautiful riot footage!) so how hard could it really be to start poisoning the well with the lizardy truth and undermine their repto asses? Can't see how the govt would totally capitulate to them so fast, just seems like lazy writing. Still holding on with this reboot, but they're on thin ice here, which sucks considering the potential.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 3:32:22 PM CST

    DickBallsworth

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I think the net helps the conspiracy. People today still think we never landed on the moon, and that the world is flat. The rumors about your friend being a lizard when he's not would spread like wildfire.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 3:33:48 PM CST

    radioflyer

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And you stop watching a show because the actors are too pretty? Okay, but that's a really shallow excuse.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 3:49:20 PM CST

    Internet chat is just getting started look forward to an excitin

    by internet_chat_helper

    Did you know you had and Internet Chat Association?

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  • Nov 12, 2009 3:59:35 PM CST

    Big Problem w/Show was told by Supergirl

    by elvirasbuttboy

    The big problem I have had so far, and will hurt it in the future episodes, was told by the chick who plays the teen alien and was Supergirl on Smallville. On Attack of the Show the other day she said that V is Sci-Fi show with little to no Sci-fi in it(I'm para-phrasing, but that was the jist). If that's the case they are only doing this to spend no money on special effects and it will be crap. That's why we've only seen one eyeball of a V and the skin of the guy who got a gash in his arm.
    It has to get MUCH better if it wants to survive.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 4:18:29 PM CST

    The writing is on the wall with all the actors

    by gravybits

    looking for other projects and talking smack about V. Even they think it's a shitty show, and don't want to be a part of it.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 4:19:28 PM CST

    elvirasbuttboy

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Um to be fair, that actress is a bonehead. V has plenty of sci fi. They have spaceships, laser guns, and they're LIZARDS. That actress sounds like a dumb ass.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 4:45:19 PM CST

    WHERE ARE THE LAZERS?!?

    by margot_tenenbaum

    Pew Pew

    no lazers on new V yet

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  • Nov 12, 2009 5:38:45 PM CST

    The ICA, online!

    by internet_chat_helper

    I hope you will choose to explore the programs of your Internet Chat Association, (ICA), Online!

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  • Nov 12, 2009 5:41:04 PM CST

    Answer to why new shows get canned for reruns

    by ang_lee

    Eyeballs, plain and simple.
    Most commercial airtime is sold prior to the beginning of a season - that's what the upfronts are for. The network guarantees the purchaser of the time slots 'X' number of eyeballs will be watching. If the show fails to get those numbers the network usually will credit the purchaser or give them more open slots until the quota is met. If a repeat of 'Who's the boss?' gets a higher rating than Dollhouse, then we can spank it to a pre-teen saamaantha. Got it? Anngaala! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojc02OvZVo8

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  • Nov 12, 2009 6:03:55 PM CST

    Much prefer FlashForward

    by turingtestee

    More patient with its story. I'm interested in its characters. I was surprised and slightly moved by last weeks episode.V just sucks all kinds of ass. Impatient hack-job (too strong?) of the original show. Hell, the first episode even had a character say to the pre-conspiracy group (but directed right at us, the viewers) "Now that we are all caught up . . ."

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  • Nov 12, 2009 6:19:48 PM CST

    wait - Parkman got SHOT??

    by maniaq

    great! thanks a fucking bunch! you know some of the rest of us don't watch previews EITHER!!
    anyway, I was thinking about the shitty vision from the ball pincushion thing... and.. well it doesn't make sense that they somehow don't KNOW they're looking at Elizabeth Mitchell('s cans)..
    I mean, apart from that shitty footage, you got the intercepted 911 call, you got Alan Tudyk revived ass, AND you got any number of plants in that FBI/taskforce with the chick from BSG in it... HOW CAN THEY NOT KNOW SHE WAS THERE??? Are they especially fucking dumb on that lizard planet or something?
    seriously, I WANT TO SEE THE DIRECTOR'S CUT because the hatchet job the network has served us is all kinds of wrong

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  • Nov 12, 2009 6:26:04 PM CST

    I'm enjoying V

    by pumaman

    and am willing to stay with it to see how it progress.
    Elizabeth Mitchell and Morena Baccarin are reasons alone to watch the show as they are both friggin mesmerizing on screen.
    The actor playing the young priest - Joel Gretch is always solid in his performances and should be a leading man.
    Nice references to his show The 4400 in the last episode :-)

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  • Nov 12, 2009 6:49:13 PM CST

    One thing to really make this show take off

    by itchy

    Move it to HBO. Take off Morena Baccarins shirt. Have her chow down on the blonde teen-leader chick. Pronto. Highest rated show ever.

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  • Nov 12, 2009 7:13:44 PM CST

    Itchy

    by kirbdaddy

    By "chow down" do you mean cannibal-style or lesbian-style???

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  • Nov 12, 2009 7:17:31 PM CST

    Anal

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov 12, 2009 8:15:24 PM CST

    Something that will probably not happen

    by browncoat_skyfan

    ... is a Firefly/Serenity re-sequel. Now that "V" is faltering, and "Dollhouse" was cancelled, that leaves "Castle" as the only really strong (relatively) show with an ex-cast member in it. Can't remember what Jewel Staite is in. Gina Torres is doing voiceover work and Ron Glass isn't doing much either.


    The time seems right! Joss?

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  • Nov 12, 2009 9:31:20 PM CST

    Kirbdaddy

    by rob0729

    Itchy said HBO. Cannibal style is clearly Showtime. But then again, Cinemax is probably more lesbian-style.

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  • Nov 13, 2009 1:02:17 AM CST

    Scott Wolf(e) is no Mike Donovan

    by lynxpro

    ...and Morena Baccarin (sic) with her icky short hair is no Jane Badler. As one poster said above, this show is more *Earth - Final Conflict* and less *V*. The original mini series were badass despite their poor sfx. This reboot is anything but kick ass. And while I love it when Obama gets bashed, I much prefer the fascist allegory of the original... This show is getting to be as lame as *Invasion* was.

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  • Nov 13, 2009 1:03:44 AM CST

    Boy if Hank got canned, Fringe is in real trouble

    by bigi2na

    Hank got a better rating than Fringe on the same night last Thursday. I love the show, but doesn't look good.

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  • Nov 13, 2009 1:06:08 AM CST

    THE OLD PRIEST

    by lynxpro

    Is the actor playing the old priest the same actor who played the Visitor that Mike Donovan kept on running into during *V - The Final Battle* that kept on trying to shoot Donovan?

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  • Nov 13, 2009 2:31:18 AM CST

    lynxpro

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Actually, that was in the first mini series. And, I don't think so.

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  • Nov 13, 2009 3:04:50 AM CST

    "A scifi show without much scifi" ??

    by v'shael

    Jesus fucking christ, that's the V weekly tv series all over again.

    If that's what they're doing, I have fuck all interest.

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  • Nov 13, 2009 3:05:54 AM CST

    bigi2na

    by hercules

    Hank's last rating was a 1.3. Fringe has never gotten below 1.7. Also, Hank has never been on Thursday.

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  • Nov 13, 2009 10:37:50 AM CST

    Yes Anna is hot

    by frozen01

    But she was much better as Anora in Firefly. Must have been the costuming...

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  • Nov 13, 2009 10:40:22 AM CST

    browncoat_skyfan

    by frozen01

    Castle is (surprisingly) going too strong to get Nathan Fillion back. And a Firefly without Nathan Fillion probably wouldn't work. But, yeah, I would sacrifice V, Dollhouse, and Castle to get Firefly back!

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  • Nov 13, 2009 10:43:18 AM CST

    gravybits

    by frozen01

    Yes, because every member of a race/species must act exactly like every other member. WTF? The lizards can't have personality differences?

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  • Nov 13, 2009 9:49:44 PM CST

    My bad

    by bigi2na

    I guess that's what I get from reading the L.A. Times where an article said they were on the same night. I watch Fringe on Hulu, so I don't really pay attention to those things.

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