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Buffy & Krumlee take us on our first look at the testing of THE GREEN MILE!!!
Hey folks, Harry here. This is the movie I've been dying to hear about. THE GREEN MILE. Over a year and a half ago I predicted this would win BEST PICTURE for 1999, based upon the script. Now we get to see how the first test screening has gone. It went very very well overall. The movie has a lot of fans in Scottsdale, Arizona... and them lucky folks have seen a print that none of us will ever see. Now before you launch into reading these two reviews let me set it up for ya here. I heard from a good amount of people. Just about all of them loved the movie and wrote a couple of lines about the movie. But... I like to run fuller opinions about the films. It should be noted that this is the first time the film has been screened, and it is highly probable that Darabont is nowhere near done working on this film. There is some nip and tucks to tweak before this film becomes the locked print. Something we'll be covering. There was no final score in place, and for folks that remember Frank's use of music in SHAWSHANK... well... it was fantastic. This is my highest anticipated film for the holiday season, and folks... The critical comments I've heard closely mirror the critical comments in TITANIC. Early on at that initial test screening the problems were with overall length and that some of the modern day bookendings just didn't really flow great. There are spoilers in the reviews below... so if you don't want to know... Run along and know that the movie is very very good (so far) and if you want to hear it all... by all means... continue...
My friends and I were the last three to get into the Scottsdale
screening of "The Green Mile" Tuesday night. Felt like I'd won the
lottery. I've read the book, but not in about a year, and am a big fan
of King's work. However some subpar film adaptations had me a bit
worried about this project.
First of all, it looked complete, except for a few temp tracks and no
credits. Despite the usual pre-screening talk about unfinished color
corrections and effects, the effects seemed complete. There were only a
few fuzzy shots.
That covers the technical elements. The film was three hours long, and
very faithful to the text. One subplot was removed, but the film didn't
suffer because of it. The acting was also uniformly superb.
One element of King's writing which translated well to the screen, for
the first time in awhile, was his comic timing. Within the same scene,
I could laugh and be moved.
The only thing I could say I didn't much care for was the frame story,
which didn't translate to film as well and felt a bit forced.
Anyway, when it comes out I'll be interested to see it again. I
Buffy
Alright, Harry here again. The above was the typical reaction I got. People really loving the film and performances... but having some problems with the bookending sequences of the film. It should be noted that this part of the film has been the toughest on Darabont. Whether or not to go with Hanks in make-up or an older actor. The make up was apparently fantastic in a couple of angles... but sometimes made Hanks look dead, or so I was told... So they went with an older actor... Something that when it works (TITANIC) it is fantastic... But the makeup can also be wonderful (ie EDWARD SCISSORHANDS with Ryder) Also the 3 hour running time is not the final running time of the movie. Below is Krumlee's report on this screening and he goes into far more detail...
Hi Harry!
Call me Krumlee. Love the site! I saw The Green Mile at a test screening in Scottsdale, Arizona last night. As I was signing the obligatory
papers saying I won't leak anything to a website or any other news source, I immediately thought of your site and began taking mental notes.
I had not read the Stephen King version before attending the film, so I was in the dark about the story. I'm assuming if you have read the King
version, you'll know all the plot points of the film, but I'll still try not to spoil it for anyone.
For those not in the know: it's the story Paul Edgecomb (Tom Hanks) and his years as the boss on the green mile (Death Row) in 1930s
Louisiana. One of his inmates is John Coffey (Michael Duncan) a very large, black, simple-minded man in prison for the deaths of two little girls.
It is discovered that Coffey has healing powers (and is most likely innocent of his crimes) and the guards have a moral dilemma on their hands
when it gets closer and closer to an execution date.
Where to begin? Well, this movie could generate some Oscar gold. Not for Hanks (more on that later) and probably not for Best Picture, but for
Michael Duncan and possibly for Doug Hutchison who plays the deliciously evil guard Percy Wetmore. Michael Duncan is absolutely amazing.
This guy played nothing but bouncers until Armageddon. I doubt he studied at Juliard or spent years on Broadway honing his skills, which
makes his acting in this film all the more impressive. And skills he has. He has a perfect Louisiana Cajun accent, cries in a lot of his scenes, and
even moves his huge body with an uncanny grace. His joy upon being released from his cell (for a short time and for a specific reason) is
palpable. You see this huge giant of a man, but you see a little boy. I really can't imagine anyone else in his role.
Doug Hutchison is so evil in this movie, you can't help but truly hate him. I was surprised there was nowhere to rate his performance on the
report card they handed out at the end. Maybe because the audience hated him so much, although I thought his acting was incredibly
impressive. I doubt they'd both be nominated because I think they'd be in the same category of supporting actor. I'm putting my money on
Duncan. This film is going to change his life.
Tom Hanks won't be nominated for an Oscar for this role. And I don't think he was going for it. That's not to say I don't think he gave his all for
the performance, I'm sure he did, but it was like watching Mark McGwire somewhere in the middle of the season versus the end of the season
when he's trying to break all kind of records. Still a great show. Hanks does the Cajun accent well and he's believable in his part, especially
when he's trying to pee with the razorblade pain of a urinary tract infection. (Yes, we get to see Tom Hanks pee about four times in this movie.
And one of those times is really played up for laughs.) Hanks looked a little chubby, which I don't know if it was purposely done for this role or
if he's just gotten a little chubby or if he was beefing up for his role in Cast Away in which he later gets super skinny.
There were a lot of laughs in this film. I was surprised that a movie with such a dark setting had so much humor. The humor was necessary, yes,
but some films forget that the audience needs a laugh after seeing a guy's head burst into flames on the electric chair (because Percy purposely
didn't wet the sponge that goes between the skullplate and the inmate's head.)
During one of the rehearsals for an upcoming execution, Harry Dean Stanton (playing a non-death-row inmate) is in the chair and they go
through the motions. The guards ask him if he has any last requests. He starts going off about how he wants Mae West to sit on his face
because he's such a horny SOB. All the guards bust up except Hanks. He gets pissed and tells everyone to shut up. You figure he's just being
the boss and trying to maintain some sense of respect for what they're about to do. One of the other guards says, 'You have to admit it was
pretty funny.' Hanks says, 'That's the problem. Do you know how hard it is to keep a funny thought like that out of your head when you're in
church? You can't help but laugh. I don't want to be thinking about Mae West sitting on someone's face when we're about to execute someone.
I'll start laughing.'
In another scene we hear Tom Hanks making love to his wife after his urinary tract infection is cured. The scene fades to black (as a bunch of
them do in this film), when it fades up into the next scene, the audience was howling with laughter.
There are three electric-chair executions. The first one was pretty tame. The second one was the most horrific, when the character of Percy
purposely leaves the sponge dry on the inmate's head. The inmate screams and bursts into flames. The audience of the execution (in the movie)
flees from the terrible sight and disgusting smell. People keep yelling at Hanks to stop the execution (which has gone on for a few minutes), but
he keeps saying, "He's still alive! You want me to stop it while he's still alive?" He's not being cruel. It would be cruel to stop it. Finally, the guy
dies, his flesh burned off his face. I went with my fiancee and there was another woman sitting next to her. They both said afterwards that they
almost walked out. For me, it wasn't that bad. And I don't normally like gory movies. The third execution isn't really seen onscreen.
I was tense for a lot of the movie, mostly due to a scene in which Hanks visits John Coffey's defense attorney played by Gary Sinise! There's
Forrest and Lt. Dan (or Jim Lovell and Ken Mattingly) speaking in Cajun accents to each other, but the scene is not meant for laughs (and
rightly so wasn't funny). Hanks asks Sinise if he thinks Coffey is guilty. Sinise makes a racist comment about how "'niggas' are like dogs. You
treat them well, feed them, they do good work for you, they're loyal and then..." he calls his son over. He shows Hanks his son's right eye,
which has been clawed or bitten out by the dog. He says, "For no reason, the dog decided to attack my boy. I gave it no second thought when
I grabbed him by the collar and shot him in the head." From then on, even though you like Coffey and believe he's good deep-down, you're still
never 100 percent sure he's innocent and you're expecting him to snap.
The movie is book-ended with footage of Paul Edgecomb as an old man in a nursing home. The old Paul is played by a different actor, not Tom
Hanks in makeup. I had a problem with it: I didn't believe the old man could have ever looked like Hanks. He spoke with a different cadence,
used his facial expressions differently, everything. And if you've read the King version, I suppose you know there's a little bit of a twist ending.
It didn't really work for me. Without giving it away completely, I can say the old Paul Edgecomb is supposed to be over 100 years old. Not
convincing. And it seemed like a shortcut by the filmmakers and King (if it is indeed in his version) to put an ending on the thing.
The strengths of this film are its acting, its cinematography (you don't get bored looking at the same cells over and over) and its humor. The
weaknesses are a so-so ending and it's long (3 hours.)
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Isn't it a bit strange that Darabont directed two prison dramas both based on Steven King stories. I guess if you know what works for you, go with it again.
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It sounds as though the delightfully creepy Mr. Hutchison steals the show, just as he did on "the x-files" (Tooms), "millennium" (Polaroid Man) and "space: above & beyond" (Elroy). I'm eager to see "The Green Mile" based on Mr. Darabont's successful screen version of "Shawshank"----I only hope he convinces Thomas Newman to return and grace his film with another magificent score.
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Who cares about these people's insignificant opinions? Learn to write and use proper grammar, then perhaps I'll listen to your petty ramblings.
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I think The Green Mile was some of King's best work at a time when it seemed to me that he was slumming. I hope the film does it justice. About the beginning and end sequences...it might be a good idea to reshoot them with a different actor if they don't work, or just drop them altogether. Although I'd hate or them to drop them...there's some pretty important stuff going on there, and really relevant to the story that King was trying to tell.
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Hmmm...having read the novels when they came out, I can't help but think the story took place in GEORGIA! Cold Mountian Penitentiary, to be exact. In fact, the only thing cajun about the story is BBQ-boy Eduard Delacroix. Hey, if you're gonna bring up the wonderfully quaint way the characters talk, at least get the freaking origins right. It's in the details, son. It's disappointing to hear that the frame story wasn't so hot. That part was filmed here in NC not more than two hours away at Moses Cone Manor. To cut it out would be a terrible loss. The ending is the part that chokes me up every time. I think I smell peppermint.
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Should I be amused or profoundly disturbed by this image?
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Two weeks ago, Schwarzenegger himself said Frank Darabont is very interested in directing his war masterpiece WITH WINGS AS EAGLES. I hope Darabont does that film next.
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The ending of the Green Mile is the best part of the whole series of books.
In the allegory that is the Green Mile, Edgecombe becomes the Wandering Jew.
"Tarry thou to I come again..."
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That's right, there's a Dean Stanton in the book. And about the commentary of Harry with proportions of "Titanic", does that mean this will suck too?.
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Does anyone else think that the reason that Tom Hanks looked a bit chubby because he was beefing up for his role in Robert Zemekis' castaway?, just a thought
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Sep 07, 1999 11:01:55 AM CDT
Green Mile is not a Miramax release, therefore it has no chance
by spike lee
Shakespeare in Love, best picture, says it all. So this years best picture winner will probably be the Talented Mr. Ripley or Teaching Ms. Tingle.
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I had a chance to read the script for THE GREEN MILE shortly before the cameras rolled. I'm frankly not that excited about the movie. Every shamelessly semtimental cliche is being trotted out here -- the simpleminded, goodhearted man wrongly accused being only the biggest and most obvious of the bunch. And I'm sorry, but the "twist" ending is obvious a dozen miles off to anyone who's seen more than three movies. "King is not writing literature, but entertainment," people bleat. Well, in a world where damn near everything from our politics to our warfare is "entertainment", that doesn't mean much to me anymore. A little more literature wouldn't be a bad idea.
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I know that we all go to this sight to read up on various productions in the works or yet to be released, etc, but I would encourage anybody...ANYBODY who has not read the King serial novel of TGM to stop reading any reviews, talk backs, or any such thing before seeing this movie for yourself. The greatness that could come from this movie is the uncertainty that you encounter throughout the story. Unfortunately, if you have already read this review, perhaps it is too late. Though, if you stop reading now, you may just forget enough to enjoy the movie. PLEASE I encourage all of you to STOP reading anything on TGM and let the movie happen for itself. Trust me, you will thank yourself. If you see an E! special on it and haven't seen it, CHANGE the CHANNEL! If you see a review in the paper, DO NOT READ IT. I liken it to those who haven't seen the sixth sense yet hear about a "twist ending," so they are looking for something they shouldn't be throughout the movie. Please, do yourselves a favor and ignore all TGM information!
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Harry Dean Stanton plays the guy who sells sandwiches and stuff on a little cart. Those who have read the book know who i'm talking about. He stands in for an inmate during rehearsals of the next day's execution.
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I seriously hope that this film does not have the JFK stupid "N'awlins" accent. I live in New Orleans, we sound nothing like that. I'm not covering up or anything. We really don't. Maybe if you lived way out in the boonies a hundred years ago you would, but I don't know who started this Cajun accent stuff (Adam Sandler?). You know the Minnesota accent in FARGO? It is ten times more inaccurate than that for Louisiana movies.
I would also like to reveal why Tom Hanks, THE most over-rated actor ever is a star. He sold his soul to the devil. This is true. Think about it. For a while he was making crap no one watched--TURNER&HOOCH, THE MONEY POOL, etc. Then, all of a sudden, from, say, A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN on, everything he touches is a hit. Every performance is lauded by critics. How did this happen so rapidly? A new outlook on script choosing? A new agent? Or did he turn into Satanic Tommy overnight? He's this decade's answer to Fatty Arbuckle. He could team up with Michael Bay to make TOMMY'S TRIP TO THE LOCAL CHEVRON and it would pop a hundred million dollars. This sort of thing does not happen by mistake. He's definitely a pig blood drinker. And he will pay. Oh yes, he will pay. In a decade we'll see him in Lifetime made-for-TV movies. -
I don't understand the inherent hatred for Tom Hanks on this particular Talkback. Sure, he's Oscar's golden boy, but there is a reason: HE'S ONE OF THE BEST ACTORS ALIVE. I really don't know how anyone could disagree with this statement after seeing "Saving Private Ryan," "Forrest Gump," and "Philadelphia." And besides; "The Green Mile" is destined to be the best movie of the year. Frank Darabont can make Stephen King prison dramas all he wants because the last time he did he made THE BEST MOVIE OF THE NINETIES.
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is more the feeling I feel towards Mr. Hanks. Seriously, if you think Forrest Gump or Philidelphia were Great (capital G) movies, then forget it, we've got nothing to talk about. Personally, I tire of the man's shtick. Oscar winner or no, the guy is a whiny little bitch. Chalk it up to sensitive and intelligent if it makes you feel better. He reminds me of Harrison Ford, people tell him he's great, now he thinks he's great. People like to say how it's great that he's going and doing "serious" drama. Fuck that (note to above poster, Fuck is a very versatile and effective word for expressing your displeasure, you should try it some time). It's my opinion that good comedy, and no I don't mean a touching drama with comic moments, I mean good comedy, is much harder to pull off then drama. Certain situations and images are used again and again by Hollywood. These dramatic themes pervade movies like "Saving Private Ryan". Good movie, but not to me a great movie. Yeah yeah, you can go on and on about how people tell the same stories and how we all have an underlying social concious (which is why those Hollywood tear jerkers are so effective), but if you want to see a good WWII movie, there is much better fare out there then SPR. Same goes for Hanks. He passes for a "Great" dramatic actor today, because he's the only guy that's survived the onslaught (and more to come) of the cult of childhood and teenage movies that have been invading our multiplexes in the last few years. Look at the overwhelming response to the Sixth Sense. A good movie, for sure, but look at the business it's done. Look closer and see the demographics of who's seeing that movie. The largest audience for that film has been the mid 20's to early forties, why? Cause there's few "adult" movies out there. Anyway, my point is, there are more "childrens and teenagers" movies being made right now, and few actors who are a big enough box office draw to pull in an adult audience. So, Spielberg, Darabont, all these cats casting Hanks. Yeah, he's a good actor, but he ain't all that. He just seems that way when compared to the Dawson's creek crowd.
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I'm not sure if I can articulate this, but I'm going to give it a shot. Here in Australia there is a long habit of making period films which are not much more than straight up, overly romanticised pieces of costume drama. There are few exceptions - 'Picnic at Hanging Rock', 'Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith' and 'Oscar and Lucinda' come to mind - but, on the whole they are kinda trite. Over there in the U.S. - well, there's a lot of trite historical drama stuff too, but there is another skein of film that deals with history in a way that... I don't know how to put it...Has anyone read Orson Scott Card's Alvin Maker series? What it's all about is right there - a kind of folk-ish/parable genre, where history is a dark and troubled thing, not easily unravelled but also imbued with a clear sense of good and evil, with hope and with, yeah, a sheen of magic. It's present in much of America's folk music - real country (not Shania Twain but the real Opry and Hayride stuff), blues and cajun music and, sure it might be a nebulous, personal thing, but it seems to me to also be present in a number of films about the US past. These include everything from 'Shawshank Redemption' to 'Beloved', even to 'JFK'. Folk-ish is perhaps the best term for it, I guess. Now a few posters here have reviled Hanks, but, in spite of his ability or lack thereof, he too has some of this folkishness about his performances. Perhaps it is because the roles he has chosen recently tend to be a kind of folk-parable-iconic hero character, whether it is in 'Apollo 13', '...Ryan' or 'Forrest Gump'. Whatever the reason he seems to me to have transcended the limits of his ability so that, when you watch him perform now, his performance carries the baggage of his past performances. You are aware of Hanks as an auteur and this informs the film. So, if the film is a folky tale like 'The Green Mile', then having someone like Hanks in the decent, everyman role is completely inspired. One earlier poster compared Hanks to Jimmy Stewart and this is almost an apt comparison. Cynics will always react badly to this figure because, in being folky, in being an everyman, the character becomes less real, and surely all acting should be 'real'. But it's just a different way of connecting and it connects with something a little more 'primal'; the folk tales that we read and dreamed about as kids, perhaps, even though, for most of us, our folk heroes were astronauts, and our folk tales were 'Marvel' comics, 'Star Wars' and 'Halloween'. We still recognise the figure when we see it to a time before we were born or transposed into the future. Ooh, I'm feeling an attack of the ol' Mr Campbell and 'The hero with a thousand faces' coming on...
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Tom Hanks will go down as one of the best actors of this century. Why? Because he's good, that's why. It takes a lot of talent and guts to portray some of the roles he's done such as in Big (yes, Big...watch the movie again and tell me you don't see that 12-year-old come out and mature during it), Philidelphia, Saving Private Ryan, and, now, The Green Mile. For those who think he's too "goody goody" or you just don't think he's that good...take a look at his earlier work like Bachelor Party or Splash. The guy has grown as an actor. It's a shame he gets type-cast because I think there is something not tapped in him...maybe a darker side? But, of course, there would be the immediate backlash because the public wants their Tom, their "Nicest Guy on Earth" Tom. C'mon you guys, give credit where credit is due to these actors.
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Shawshank was long. Saving Private Ryan was long. What if the film is great the way it is? Does it still need to be trimmed for commercial reasons? 'Cause folks wanna get out early enough to get a few drinks before the evenings over? I'm confused. Maybe Lawrence Of Arabia would have done better commercially if they trimmed it.
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hey i am currently reading the book and it is really coincidental because i had completely forgotten that it was going to be a movie. cool. "Buffy" mentioned that one of the subplots was not in the film. lets see: not the urinary infection, not the warden's wife, not the nursing home, i hope its not mr. jingles! mr. jingles was the best character. he had a lot of symbolism like the pearl in the pearl by steinbeck. wild bill (billy the kid) was good too but i hope it is him. anything but mr. jingles!!!!
i wont try to make oscar predictions until i see some of the films, but i hope that angelina jolie gets mucho recognition for girl interrupted! this and the green mile should be the front runners. what do you think?
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After reading all these Talk Back's, I'm kind of... not affected in any way. I dunno, I just don't know what to say. Stephen King IS an entertainer, and if you think that our nation's politics are "entertainment"... please go read 'salem's Lot and realize that it is much more enjoyable than the farce that is our Presidency.
On to the movie.
In the debate of the cut sub-plot, I'm all for it being what's-his-name, the orderly at the nursing home Paul lives in during the bookends. Other than giving the audience pause to think about how their loved (or sadly, un-loved) ones may be treated in a "rest" home, it doesn't serve much in the way of neccessity. Then again, I read this when it came out. I owned a 486 then. Obviously it was a while ago, so I could be mistaken as to that character's integrity to the plot.
As for the length? KEEP IT that way. I heard the official running time was three hours, one minute long. Good. We need more of that. I think I love just about every movie that was ever deemed "too long" (as in 3+ hours).
Tom Hanks. He's not god, but he's a good actor. Yes, actors each tend to have a certain "style" (unless that actor is Casper Van Dien.. ick) that works well for them. Once, I read that Bruce Willis had mastered the art of being perfectly still (in a review of The Sixth Sense). This is totally true, and he's incredible in doing it. Hanks is a good emotional actor. One of my favorite scenes in Forrest Gump was where he realizes that he has a son, and his complete concern over the boy's mental state. Highly convincing work. Anyways, enough of my useless drivel. On to other stuff. -
Sep 07, 1999 7:43:41 PM CDT
Green Mile Brought Me Back To King, the movie? ah, dont' know
by grouchlord
I was burnt out on King long before, but Green Mile won me back. I still don't think everything he does is gold, but who realistically does. The movie will have to make it on its own terms. Perhaps, if the "old" Paul is not convincing they should make a Jar Jar esque old Hanks. LOL. By the way, when people start bandying about their education and berating the use of such a fine word as fucking, I switch off. Ha, ha!
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i read everything king put out up until geralds game. what a terrible book. then a few years later i picked up the green mile and fell in love with him all over again. you all can cry and grown and bitch and moan but i this movie is gonna be great. as for the tom hanks detractors, stick it up your butts. this guy is a truly great actor in a land filled with cuba gooding jr's and the newly revised anthony "oh shit the rents due i better make a movie" hopkins. and if there ever was a part made for michael duncan clarke this is it! enough said. (and for all you uptight retard who constitantly complain about spelling and grammar, get a life)
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No spoilers here, but those of you who have read the book know that the "twist" at the end is probably one of the best, most magical moments that Stephen King has ever put on paper. So, if it's not working in the film for some reason, I hope like hell they fix it because, for me anyway, that's the payoff of the book, that's the fist in the gut and the real tug on the heart.
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Sep 08, 1999 1:15:47 AM CDT
Anyone going to that AUSTIN FILM FESTIVAL deal in Texas next mon
by c.c. baxter
Okay. So we know it's funny. And we know it's got great acting. But is it MOVING. Is it touching? Is it heart-wrenching? Is it emotional? Is it a tear-jerker? THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION was. And no mention of the MOUSE. That's odd. And what was the SUBPLOT they cut from the movie. If there is anyone who has read both the BOOKS and the SCRIPT, please INFORM us all.
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I think Tom Hanks should play a psycho or something. It seems like every role he plays is a likable guy. I certainly don't think he's one of the best actors of the century but I can't understand why people despise him so much. I admire him for his choice of roles, ranging from serious (Philadelphia, Pvt. Ryan) to lighthearted (Big, You've Got Mail), but I think he needs to stretch himself as an actor a little more and play something completely out of character.
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Mickey Rourke? Is this the same guy who recently walked off a movie because the director wouldn't let Rourke's chiahuahua (sp?) appear in a scene? Just curious.
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With all the Tom Hanks derision around here it's hard to stay quiet. Hanks is a money magnet for film makers. This is a distinction given him by the nuts and bolts movie mogels in business to make money. He is this year's box office bet for good draw (both of paying viewing public and real money world wide). None of that says anything about him as a person. It says that his past performances have trended him in some Hollywood bean counters books as a really good bet. That's the dollars and cents of movie making. Like him or not, with Hanks in the cast, The Green Mile is will make a lot of money for the producers and will mean everyone at the Academy will be giving this movie a really good look see when it comes time to nominate for the gold. This IS the definition of star power. I personally believe that you can't reach this level of play in Hollywood and STAY there for any length of time unless you really can deliver the goods. Hanks has been at the top of his game for almost a decade. Say what you will about him, he plays with the big boys and he plays very very well.
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