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New Series Low For HEROES!!
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  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I actually said "cool" during Heroes this week

    by Burgundy82

    Matt's sacrifice was a pretty great scene... until it was completely undone by the preview for next week's episode (So sue me — I've been avoiding the "worst kept secret in television" and actually thought the big death might be Matt).

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by T-RACE

    I'm at least enjoying Heroes. It feels like it's more character driven this season, which I enjoy.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST



    Was SO epic first season .... it had a real magic and vibe that is difficult to maintain. Still enjoy it but it will never reach those levels again.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    poor Monday Night RAW

    by Magic Rat

    I remember when that show used to do 6.5's and 7s during the mid to late 90s.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    This reminds me

    by Toonol

    I need to pop over to Hulu and watch heroes. This is the best it's been since season 1... although that certainly doesn't mean it's GREAT by any means. They're paying the price now for a the screwups they did in seasons 2 & 3.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST


    by pdburnsy

    I was blown away by Heroes last night, and then I accidentally saw the scenes from next week. I usually try to avoid those, but, uhm, well, it kind of ruined the whole point of the sacrifice.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Its pathetic

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    That the funniest thing about Leno's show is watching his numbers stay so low.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    What helped season 1 be good

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Was this sense that powers were a brand new thing, almost like a new stage of evolution. It opened up a lot of questions for the characters and the future of humanity within the show's world. Once they brought in the parents having powers and all that backstory, the magic evaporated.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    This is why Heroes shouldnt go up against House

    by ShabbyBlue

    House squashes it in the ratings every time. I'm sure Heroes' ratings would be a lot better if they moved it to a different timeslot.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Heroes this week features two good and one bad story

    by jimbojones123

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Heroes this week features two good and one bad stor

    by jimbojones123

    Story lines. Parkman and Sylar pay off. Pete stuff is once again the heart of the show, but Claire stuff sucks.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Makes me want a blow job from a leper

    by NippleEffect

    I want to lord it over someone

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    One thing that bugged me about Heroes this week

    by ShabbyBlue

    Now that Peter has the power to heal and is using it quite frequently as a paramedic, why didn't he HEAL THE DEAF GIRL?! Surely he can make her hear again.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    re: Leno

    by Chief Joseph

    I'm hearing that whistling falling bomb sound effect from old cartoons in my head while looking at Leno's rapidly declining ratings.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by Doc Savant

    I think it has to do with the type of healing he's copying. As Noah said to the kid, "you have the power to take life away, but you can also give life". Perhaps it's not so much the ability to heal a specific malady (and since she was born deaf, it's not like it's a life-threatening "injury") as much as it is the ability to heal critical wounds. Who knows? Maybe it would work on cancer or tumors, which is where they were going with this in the first place (saving Hiro's life).

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Shabby-- because it would be offensive to REAL deaf people

    by StarWarsRedux

    Anyway, I agree that "Heroes" shouldn't be going up against "House" at all. Leno is royally fucking up NBC's entire line-up. "Law & Order"'s days are probably numbered, which is a goddamn shame. <p>At any rate-- I'm still pulling for "Heroes". I'm guessing its downtick was thanks partly to viewers going back to "House" thanks to the end of the World Series. The show hasn't been this sound in its storytelling since Season 1. Now they just have to get around to a story that's a bit more interesting than the purposefully vague carnival-mysteriousness...

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Cancel Leno!

    by Nick Michalak

    Leno's a joke. I understand and agree that the Nielsen ratings system is outdated and inaccurate, but the fact that Leno's numbers continue to plummet below even those of The CW say a great deal. The guy got strong late night ratings, but he cannot survive, let alone thrive with those same viewers in a primetime environment. They should cancel Leno just as they would for any other show as underperforming as his. Even worse since he underperforms five nights a week. Can the crap, and make an EFFORT to create entertaining, creative television programming. Leno muscling into primetime has created a ripple effect of damaging the ratings of all other shows in the lineup. Shows that were doing quite well where they were last season are not doing as well now on new nights at earlier times.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Leno lost in the raings

    by torontoxic

    but won in Herc's heart.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    (Green Band) Kick-Ass Trailer drops early

    by cookepuss

    For realz.....<p> <p> <p> <p> Looks faithful to the comic. Just wish they would've released a red band version.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I've said this is embarrassing in the past

    by lock67ca

    It's gone way beyond that now. The CW, wrestling, South Park, Spongebob Squarepants and a Spike TV UFC reality show all have better ratings than Leno. NBC is a joke.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    TV is so bad right now

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I can't name 1 or 2 shows I even watch all the time.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Of course, as HEROES gets better it becomes doomed

    by Drath

    An overrated first season, a slow but underrated second season, and then an overhyped but godawful third season and NOW that it's actually kind of working the show will plummet in ratings and get cancelled (along with NBC as whole apparently). How fucked up is that? I'm amazed NBC has become the weak channel. Wasn't it CBS that was sucking back in the 90s? NBC, you got fat, happy, and lazy with Sienfeld, ER, and Friends, and now that they're gone you've lost your hook. How did we go from Must See TV to this current crisis? It's not like all NBC shows are shit, in fact I think I still watch more of their shows than CBS or ABC, but god have I been punished for that. Nothing lasts! The Leno gamble has not paid off--though it did just enough to contribute to the cancellation of Fox's Dollhouse, so fuck everything.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    I don't think that the problem is NBC per se

    by cookepuss

    This just hasn't been a great year for hour long series. Granted, there are exceptions to the rule, but look at the trends. This season seems to be the year of comedies. <p> <p> Half hour chucklers are doing pretty well because, given the state of the economy, people would rather a quick laugh than something more prolonged. People are looking for distractions from the gritty, depressing shit that is their lives. With 10% unemployment, can you blame `em?<p> <p> Money's a problem. We're in the middle of 2 wars. Crime at home doesn't seem to be getting better. <p> <p> Given that, would I really want to sit down & watch a procedural crime show to be reminded about how much the world sucks? Would I want to watch a medical drama and be reminded that the gov can't get their act together? Would I really give a rat's ass about an hour long when I'd rather spend my time on... looking for a job?<p> <p> There's nothing inherently evil about the hourlies on the screen. It's just not a format that's working for people right now. <p> <p> It also doesn't help that, in an Internet world, one hour is a pretty big chunk of time to waste. In, out, & done... like your first time with the hooker that your uncle Jack paid for. That's what viewers want.<p> <p> If an hour long series can't totally captivate you in one episode then it loses its audience for the bulk of the remaining season. It's hard to convince today's viewers to hang in there for the long term for the payoff. <p> <p> Heroes has had its weak points to be sure. The show has more holes than Paris Hilton. However, it is hardly the worst thing on TV. There have been some excellent episodes thus far.<p> <p> Still, like I said, the hour long format is dead. At least for this season.... or until the country brightens up & people get tired of laughing at formulaic comedies.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Kick-Ass = Mystery Men

    by Spice-Orange

    Not impressed.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    really wish there was a Sons Of Anarchy talkback

    by Magic Rat

    that show is awesome.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    I just crapped out a Heroes episode!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Heroes beats One Tree Hill yet again

    by zerogundamx

    Suck it herc

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Kick-Ass != Mystery Men

    by cookepuss

    Read the comic. Decapitations. Gunshots through the head. Jumper cables to the nuts. KA is bloody as fuck. <p> <p> If Kick-Ass seems tongue in cheek it's only because, from the Kick-Ass the hero's perspective, the world of superheroes is a 4-colored fanboy's dream. Going into his situation, he thinks that he knows how superheroics would work in the real world. Y'know... because he's read comic books and that shit must be real. =P The fact is, he's basically just a TalkBacker who's in WAAAAAY over his head.<p> <p> It's nothing like Mystery Men. That, action bits aside, was a straight up comedy. KA is an action movie that acknowledge that 99% of the shit that works in comics, the stuff we take for granted, is just clown shoes in the real world. A kid like Kick-Ass can't become a Batman overnight. The fact is, unless he's been trained his whole life to do the job, he's quite likely to get killed.<p> <p> Hopefully, the movie will be faithful to the comic. If it is, then it'll be a fairly solid hit. It's not complex, but should certainly appeal to the TDK crowd. Even with the comedic elements, the comic is dark & gritty as hell. <p> <p> I can't speak for the movie itself, not having seen the screening, but I have to agree with one of the supposed "plant" reviews on one thing. The comic's tone is very much a surprisingly harmonious mix of TDK & Superbad.<p> <p> Some people would like that mix. Me? I think that, at least in the comic, it works very well. I have a good feeling about this movie, even if a hard-R will keep it from making decent bank.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Mystery Men was a "comedy"?!

    by blhotz

    Then why were my teen friends and I NOT LAUGHING when we left the theater early? ...only movie I've EVER left early. YES, Heroes has pwned this year... damn, 2.3, ouch.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Not surprising Heroes dropped

    by Rob0729

    House is back. Steelers on MNF against a 6-1 Broncos. Steelers have a huge national fan base. And CBS back from repeats last week with new shows. <br><br> The only way Heroes will drag out of fifth place at 8PM on Mondays is if they last long enough to be around after the football season is over. Granted that is just in time for the Olympics.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Then why were my teen friends and I NOT LAUGHING when we left th

    by cookepuss

    LOL<p> <p> I guess that it's a comedy in the same sense that Sarah Jessica Parker is attractive. You've gotta be tripping balls high. =P

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    NBC relied too much on Must See TV Thursdays

    by Rob0729

    NBC ruled Thursdays for two decades and used that night to pump up their other shows. Unfortunately for them, sitcoms have fallen out of favor with the viewing public. First Survivor, then CSI, then Greys Anatomy killed them in the ratings. ER turned over their entire cast and got ludicrious. CBS used CSI to get younger and actually have an audience that didn't belong to AARP. <br><br> I think when Friends stopped, they didn't have a back up strategy. Well, they did - Joey. But they didn't account for what if it was as shitastic as it was.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    The comedy deathknell for NBC was when

    by cookepuss

    they let Scrubs get away. That was the last remaining good NBC comedy. For the most part, I only watch NBC now if I need to induce vomiting or scare away an erection.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Leno only needs 1.3 to stay profitable

    by Tall_Boy66

    So sez Entertainment Weekly with a direct quote from Leno that they need only 1.3 share to turn a profit of 300 mil. Herc's fucked up, bitter number spin (because he loves to be biased) makes it seem like Jay Leno is pulling 1.2 total million viewers a night. He's not. Go to and the ratings there say that, overall, Leno pulled 2.6/4 million total viewers last night. Which is nowhere near his cut-off range.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Kill off Sylar for good and move on already!

    by DrPain

    then maybe the show will go somewhere with higher ratings to follow.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Heroes has been watchable this season

    by ides

    Other than a short string of episodes in the third season, this is the only other time it's been watchable since the first season. I'm surprised I stuck with it, but it's easy to watch on Netflix at work.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    You know who made a cameo in Mystery Men

    by Phategod2

    Michael "King of Douchebag movies" Bay. as guess what? A evil Frat boy, talk about perfect casting.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Leno gets the last laugh, he has A MASSIVE cock!

    by BigTuna

    So says Sandra Bernhard, who Jay tied up and fucked hard.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Fuck me. At this point...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    The Jesus Channel may as well be doing better than Gay Leno.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, midnight CST

    Not to be too serious here....

    by Rybock

    God forbid. I know the overnights are the first numbers we get. But how about the +3s? I know that come Thursday, Monday's lineup may seem like old news. However, it seems that the ratings coming from the DVRs, especially those that retain commercial viewing, are being considered more and more important. Leno may say that 1.3 is enough to be profitable, but that may be under the old way of analyzing the numbers. And shows like Heroes, which is better than before, but not as good as season one, look even better when the networks, and eventually the advertisers, look at the "long term" numbers.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Heroes continuity. Just in case anyone cares...

    by a3dfiend69

    Just for those heroes fans who have followed this shows rise and fall. And boy did it fall. But during last nights episode, did anyone else notice that sylar/nathan used the only power on the planet that sylar didnt have: flight? Nathan had it and died before sylar got it, so how the fuck? Not that I really car, just that the continuity department needs to at least phone it in, not just randomly throw shit at a dartboard. sorry, rant over... you may continue.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    WTF is "Rita Rocks"?

    by JT Kirk

    Just looked up it and "Lincoln Heights", looks like Lifetime and ABC Family are really pushing their series to new depths of ratings tracking. Was that 8 people in the key demo who watched it and were tracked, and Nielsen extrapolated that into a 0.2 share?<p>Looks like Leno could air a Hillary Duff threeway and still not garner ratings. Poor NBC affiliates, that guy who told it like it is probably is going to backpeddle the shit out of that comment. Leno may not need to clear anything beyond a 1.3, but the affiliates need a little more support than that, they're trying to make money too.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    I thought he took Nathans power

    by Phategod2

    In the season finale when he beat his ass and besides He does not need to see the Brain remember when Used Callista Flockharts power. The thing that trips me up is How does he have memories that Parkman didn't plant there? How does know the intricacies of Nathans life? Including that incident at the pool.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    by kimrae1977

    It's because Sylar has the see an object/person's history power. That's how "Nathan" learned about the pool incident. And yeah, Sylar took flight last season. He doesn't need to cut open a head to do it.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST

    re: WWE RAW

    by Adelai Niska

    I tried to get back into it after several years away, but it's unwatchable. Back when it was good, they had villains you loved to hate (The Rock, HHH, Vince MacMahon) but now they have villains that you just can't stand to watch. It's like all of their villains are whiny, entitled douchbags with faux-hawks (all members of Legacy, Jericho, Swagger, Miz, etc). Back in the day, the villain HHH would go out and ramble on about nothing for 20 minutes and 5 million people would watch it. Now, top-bad-guy Orton opens his mouth for 20 seconds and everyone changes the channel.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Internet Chat

    by Internet_Chat_Helper

    is an interesting and fun web activity, that almost anyone can enjoy, online!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:07 a.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    fuck off.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    2 things you guys dont get about Leno

    by BMacSmith

    1: the reason he was put there in the first place is because his show is so cheap to produce. low ratings dont matter when he's still turning a profit.<p>2: what are they gonna replace him with? do they have any shows lined up or did they cancel them all? <p>but Leno sucks balls and hopefully he will eventually hit rock bottom and affiliates will revolt.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Ever since Cena became their big superstar, i stopped watching R

    by BMacSmith

    he sucks ass. his gimmicks are so corny (white thug rapper was the worst). i just want him to get his face kicked in. he should not be a main eventer.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Leno isn't going for huge ratings

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Look at ER. ER chugged along in that same timeslot for YEARS. ER was really only a big hit the first few years it was on.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    BMacSmith, it matters to affiliates

    by JT Kirk

    Ratings matter to the guys who have to run a station around their network content. Corporate may not give a fuck that they're circling the drain, but the stations themselves do.<p>Just because they got stupid and didn't put any time into developing contingency shows for when the risky-yet-clearly-inevitable-to-everyone-else happened, doesn't mean they couldn't find SOMETHING to fill 5 hours a week with. Hell, they're already using USA Network's Monk to fill time, and Law & Order Criminal Intent would still be new to broadcast. Hell, slap together a traditional 3-camera sitcom for god's sake, there's gotta be some being shopped out there!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST


    by Drsambeckett1984

    Die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <P> Smallville Rules.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Burgundy82, my thoughts exactly.

    by Kevin Holsinger

    Matt gets shot, and this is my thought process:<p>1. Wow, that was totally unexpected.<p>2. Wow, that was actually pretty badass.<p>3. Damn, they're not gonna have the balls to actually STICK with this.<p>And once I saw Matt still alive in the ambulance, I knew it was true.<p>And it looks like, with Peter's power, they're back to the Deus Ex Machina problems of Volume 2.<p>Overall, I still like the show, and this volume. But I'll be surprised if Heroes is still on by this time next year.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Healing power

    by Alientoast

    Peter can't keep the healing power forever, and once he swaps it, no more healing until they find another person with the same power. The real question is: Will Hiro get healed in time? Sorry for the pun!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST

    More Leno Hate

    by DarfurOnTheRocks2

    How long are you gonna keep up this vendetta Herc?!!!!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Yay, another CSI:Miami TalkBack

    by Stabby

    David Carusos kicks your asses!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    IF Hiro gets back to the future...

    by V'Shael

    will it even be the same future? Or will they be using the time travel rules of Back to the future 2 and wind up in an alternate timeline? <p> I suspect it will be the same future, because Sylar said he once *tried* to kill a waitress at that diner. <p> Assuming Hiro does get back to the hospital, even if Peter has lost the power, he can travel back in time to when Peter had it, get healed, and then travel as much as he likes.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Couldn't Peter....

    by V'Shael

    copy Hiro's time travel power, go back to Season 1, and "copy" young Peters power of "power absorption" ? And restore his own status quo?

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Why does everyone hate Leno?

    by Stabby

    Just ignore him. He'll go away.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    HEROES can't survive against new episodes of HOUSE

    by SpyGuy

    As much as HEROES has (finally) improved this season, it still pales in comparison to HOUSE. NBC really should move HEROES to Wednesdays, because I'm looking at the schedule tonight and absolutely nothing interests me.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    NBC should buy the Daily Show and Colbert

    by Stabby

    and put them in Leno's time slot.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    It's been the best season of Heroes since S1

    by workshed

    ... and the last two weeks have been Heroes back to it's best imo. Sometimes it really pulls one out of the bag. The haters never put me off the show and I've watched them all. Not be long before Burn Notice is back and we can get a decent fix of Bruce.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Series-lows across the board for Heroes...

    by PennsyDeux

    Total viewers (5.2m) and household rating/share as well.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Worst Preview Ever

    by SilentGunman

    If you needed any more evidence that Heroes is run by incompetents, the teaser for next week proves it. After setting up a cliffhanger for Parkman, the teaser completely ruins it 5 minutes later. Just idiotic, even for Heroes. I nearly threw something at the TV. My wife does not watch previews, and I'm starting to think she has the right idea.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I dont hate Leno, I hate Heroes!

    by Drsambeckett1984

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Heroes *sigh*

    by Nobkin

    Heroes actually renewed my faith in the show this week. It's sad to think that because of NBC's NO-Consideration-of-House that Heroes may be cancelled. It's a great show that has potential.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    The Episode

    by SilentGunman

    left me with a couple of questions: 1. Have Peter and Emma forgotten about Hiro? They didn't mention him at all. Peter went to the trouble of getting this heal power for Hiro, but after he teleported to the past it's like they've completely forgotten about him. 2. Does anyone else think that the lesbian angle for Claire got shot down by NBC? It was hyped, and now Gretchen leaves (not that I care). 3. Claire got The Haitian's name wrong. It's not Rene, it's Convenient Plot Device.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Heroes reboot

    by almostgrown

    The fact that they didn't use saving Charlie as a chance to reboot a new timeline from that point in Season 1 and negate all the bad seasons that came after that shows that they really don't want to deliver on the potential coolness of season 1. The most expensive to produce powers of season 1 have been phased out of the show. we are forever denied an all out, onscreen smackdown between characters with multiple powers, and any character that is tempted to use their powers for evil gets "saved" before even committing so much as a misdemeanor. And people keep asking future Hiro about the frakking sword because that is the Hiro we want to see, not the geeky one with glasses.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    In fact, Heroes lost almost 600,000 viewers from last wk alone.

    by PennsyDeux

    It appears the Redemption story arc has been rejected even more than 'Fugitives', which is saying something, and none of it good.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    No super-heroes in this dojo

    by shutupfanboy

    I kept Heroes to get canned even though it is their number two or three rated drama. That said, Smallville is dead as well. Anyone thinking otherwise is out of their mind. Its CW most expensive show and not getting their worst ratings. After those two are gone, we are stuck with lawyers, doctors and cops.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by Drsambeckett1984

    Badly acted, shocking written nonsense. And every time something potentially cool might happen it occurs off camera or they find an excuse for it not happening. <P> I loved the 1st season, I kept watching through until the end of the 3rd. Hoping for a smackdown between Sylar, Nathan and Peter, we were treated to.... nothing. And then to turn the only decent character (Sylar) into one of the most dull (Nathan), it was a traversty to the character. <P> Its just a lazy program, just because some effects are difficult or expensive doesnt mean you just give up. Look at Smallville, I bet it has a much smaller budget than Heroes, and look what they accomplish every week.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Total viewers is an important number.

    by jimbojones123

    Just sayin'

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    When will they put Leno down?

    by Laserhead

    Just take him out back like Old Yeller.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    I don't watch teasers...

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>...but you didn't have to watch the teaser to realize they weren't going to let Parkman have his heroic death, the moment you saw him in the ambulance. Parkman can be a great character, but they keep on trying to make him a good guy, which completely contradicts any opportunity to use his power. His power is inherently corrupting and they need to focus on that. This show needs more bad guys, and he's the most obvious candidate.</p> <p>Still, I also see this as the second best season. I stopped watching after the first few of this season, but I luckily ended up getting pulled back in. Canivale guy is great. Hell, he's great in Carnivale too, which I'm currently rewatching.</p>

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST


    by SilentGunman

    Redemption has been an improvement over the flat out retardedness of Season 3, but I think the few people that are still watching are starting to lose patience. We're eight(?) episodes in, and nothing's really happened yet. Not that it matters, because if Heroes is back next year, I will be very surprised.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    This is where Heroes went off the rails, imo

    by Stabby

    When they started focusing on Sylar as a main character. The second season should have been Sylar-free with a new villain and story arc and they could have brought Sylar back at the end if they wanted to. I feel like the fully explored the Sylar character in the 1st season, but the writers got creatively stuck on him.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    New to Heroes

    by Curious_Jorge

    Never saw an episode, but just started working my way through the series a month ago. Season 1 was brilliant, except for an extremely disappointing final battle between Sylar and Peter. Season 2 was okay; took me a while to get into it. Season 3 is a STRUGGLE. I'm a little more than halfway through, and I don't know that I want to go any further. The writing has gotten sloppy as hell. People disappear from the series without explanation -- Wes, Claire's boyfriend? Matt's adopted daughter Molly? Or they are just killed off (all that back story for Adam, and then they just dispatch him quickly). Some characters are just "bleeding awful" (the hispanic girl who wept all the time -- WTF?). Some characters were brilliant but discarded. CopyCat as a scared young girl who decides to be a crimefighter with her newfound power in post-Katrina New Orleans, and is learning as she goes -- HOLY CRAP, THAT'S GOLD! Tell me more! But they made her wimp out, instead, and then discarded her. Sigh. You cast John Glover as Syler's dad -- BRILLIANT! And then only use him for one episode. Grrr.... Heroes is just superhero soap opera, and the plotlines are just as shallow. It definitely ran aground in the third season.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Heroes better start explaining the carnival soon...

    by PennsyDeux

    Or risk even more viewer defections. To say nothing about putting the brakes on The Sylar Show.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    heroes is terrible

    by ZO

    blame the writers. they should have killed off half the cast and kept reloading. and if anyone can tell me what inthe world this seasons about i'll be tickled pink. why is the carnival there? why are they "bad"? what do they want? who are they? where is the story?

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Do you really expect the ratings to improve?

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    NBC is probably only hanging on to it because they think since superhero movies are hot they'll get some residual ratings off of that. I'm surprised it hasn't been canceled yet. All of the excuses they gave for canceling various shows these past few years but for some reason this hangs on. Maybe Kring is good friends with network execs or something. Did Kring do his annual apology at the end of last season? "Sorry the show was bad this season." "We'll do better next year!"

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Heroes decline is Chuck's redemption

    by Rob0729

    NBC basically blamed Chuck for Heroes' ratings decline. Since Chuck was considered a weak lead in. The thing is Chuck got similiar ratings as Heroes is now with tougher competition (They had to face The Big Bang Theory instead of Accidentally on Purpose). Chuck is a cheaper show to produce than Heroes too. <br><br> Let's just hope when Chuck returns in January that they don't put them at the Monday at 8 PM death slot.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Rob0729 anything except

    by Philly_Phil_in_VA

    Thursdays from 8-10 is a death spot on NBC :)

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Another thing I hate about Heroes...

    by Curious_Jorge

    was that they killed off the Corporation and made the Government the enemy. And when TV writers make the government the enemy, they make it a mindless enemy with unlimited power. That is SO fucking cliched.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by Burgundy82

    Let it go, man. I don't want to be too presumptuous here, but surely there's more to your life than jerking off to low Heroes ratings and lazy-eyed leading ladies of dwindling relevance (OH NO HE DI'INT). Even over the past few weeks, as ratings leveled out and started to tick back up, you've found pitiful little ways to throw a negative spin on it. You're like the Fox News of this Talkback, and your grudge is pathetic. If you're going to hate the show, hate it because it sucks, not because you're defending Kristen Bell's honor. I assure you, she no longer cares. She's probably more concerned about that van outside her house with the fogged-up windows and "Pennsy2" on the license plate.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Heroes could have had a pretty simple arc...

    by Christopher3

    In four seasons, they should have explained how Hiro lost his accent and his glasses, got his goatee and sword, and traveled back in time to the first season. And during those four seasons, they should have been killing off everyone in the main cast, not adding new players that no one cares about.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I don't like Heroes because it's a textbook case of

    by PennsyDeux

    squandered potential. How they're leaning way too much on Sylar. The plot holes; the writing; KB? Long gone from the show and no longer my main reason - or A reason, period - for criticizing it. I assure you of that.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST


    by timmer

    how do conan's ratings compare to letterman's?

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    I've jumped off the heroes bandwagon.

    by nrn

    First them not following through with the plan to kill Sylar. Now they are going back to stupid plot contrivances. When Parkman got shot like I dunno 8-9x (BTW second time that this has happened to parkman) it looked like he hit the floor dead. No real person can take bullets like that TWICE and live. I've officially given up. They had their chance to right their wrongs and they blew it.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Heroes **Spoilers**

    by jim

    I was impressed with the way they built up to the point where is was believable Matt would sacrifice himself to stop Sylar. I didn't really consider him being the "major death" as his character is generally an annoying idiot and I couldn't see anyone really missing him. However, to go out like that, self-sacrifice, to stop Sylar, was surprising to me, something Heroes has rarely done since Season 1. So of course it's all a big fake-out, like most every other "death" on the show. I guess we are still waiting for the "major death". If it turns out to be Nathan (who is already dead) it'll turn out to be the biggest over-hype of a non-event since Geraldo opened Al Capone's vault.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    What's that smell? Jeezus.

    by gotilk

    Oh, lockesbrokenleg crapped out another Heroes episode. Stop that! It just makes the real shows angry.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    The disappointment that is Heroes.

    by johnnyangelheart

    I remember the excitement of the first season, the mystery, the cool paintings predicting the future, the strange unpredictable powers, the unfolding story line, "Save the cheerleader" became a catch phrase in America. And then it all went to shit in the second half of the first season when it seemed to me that the show runners had no idea where they were going, and began resorting to my most hated plot device, advancing the storyline based on the stupidity of the characters. When a show starts advancing its story by making its characters make idiot mistakes, then its like a mother eating her own children, there's just no future. If someone halfway intelligent had been running that show, someone like JJ Abrams or Joss Whedon, Heroes would be a popular and cultural phenomenon for the ages. Instead, some numbnuts with a great sense of art direction and about 13 weeks of storyline killed in the cradle. The bastids.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Why Was Suresh laying on the floor in

    by Nabster

    the episode before the last? They didn't even bother to explain this in the current episode, its like the writers have a fundamental disdain for their viewers.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Why Thursday???

    by Ryanbraun14

    I don't get it... thursday nights have: fringe, mentalist, supernatural, office, 30 rock, community, parks and recreation, its always sunny... those are almost all the shows i care about... castle and house are good on monday, i can't believe it but i look foward to smallville now on friday, but to me, there are GAPING holes of no good tv on tuesday and wednesday nights... who the hell is in charge of scheduling... they're idiots. when and what night will chuck be on??? really looking foward to it with that twist ending in the finale and the whole (and awesome) story arc they made... never thought a story arc was needed for chuck, but man, when they went with the story arc, it was brilliant and catapulted the show to the next level.<br><br>Lockesbrokenleg -- nobody wants to hear you whine about nothing being up to your standards... you suck at life.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    mohinder in psych

    by Ryanbraun14

    did anyone see the episdoe of psych with mohinder? He was AWFUL in that episode--i don't know which accent is real, but it was the most inconsistent accent i've ever heard on any show ever.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by Wrath4771

    Part of the problem with wrestling now is it use to be funny - The Rock, Mankind, Chris Jericho, Degeneration-X, rapping John Cena, the McMahons - were all great with the mics. Now only Santino is very good wiht the mic. The Chris Jericho character is awful, DX has been neutered, Cena is an abomination in the eyes of God - the comedy is missing. Though I will add, having the Big Red Retard Kane come out and choke slam both tag teams was always good. Maybe bring that back as well.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Heroes is actually good this season...

    by HoboCode

    so of course the ratings plummet. WTF? This will be its last season no doubt. At least it seems it will end strong. Although they need to move the deaf girls plot along already. How many times can we see her playing piano in melancholic angst?

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by SaluteYourShorts

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    heroes ratings

    by Ryanbraun14

    heroes used to be THE show i looked foward to each week... when i was smoking pot, i would save enough to smoke a bowl every commerical to enhance the experience of my favorite show. When the show fell apart, i quit smoking during it and when i quit watching the show it led me to quit smoking pot altogether... season three lost me. i couldn't believe how bad it got. i mean, i was seriously INSULTED by the bad writing and shitty plots that came up and all the things the show promised (bad ass hiro, for one, and superpower fights) never happened. the writing and 'twist' and the endless plots of killing characters only to have them return the next episode (or sometimes later in the SAME episode!!!) or finding ways to keep Ali Larter on the show when she was a weak link from episode 1. I hear its gotten better, b ut i find that very, very hard to believe.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Geoff Johns

    by Ryanbraun14

    I would pay a considerable amount of money to see Geoff Johns and Tim Kring debate the issue of superhero/superpower story telling. Kring would be flat out embarrassed and exposed for the pretensious douchebag hack he is.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    You know, maybe this is...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Heroes second best season. But that doesn't make it good. There is no real focus. The story still takes place in this strangely consequence free environment. Characters are still free to reinvent themselves from the bottom up on the drop of a dangling plot line, and the rules for the powers change with the whims of the plot. The whole bit with the kid being dragged behind the pickup a couple weeks ago was cringe worthy, because if you're going to go there as a writer you have to earn that payoff and the impact it could cause, and they didn't put in any of the work to do that. Because of that it came off cheap and exploitive. Just a horribly lazy show, lacking style charm or direction, and although I'd agree that to this point this season hasn't been as bad as two or three, it is still bad, and it's carrying the weight of all the cliche, dropped characters and plot points, and lazy story telling of those seasons.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    they had HEADLINES @ the end now its the beginning

    by Meadowe

    Was kinda weird when they had his headlines @ the end when I saw it when it first came out. Then I saw it this week and it was back towards the monologue, I guess they're learning. Also saw Diablo Cody on ten @ ten it was entertaining. You could tell she's not used to interviews @ least not the talk show circuit.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Too many ratings!


    Herc, don't you have any Cool news? The ratings are fine maybe once a week, but almost everyday - it AIN'T COOL!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    It'll still limp on as long as 'Lost'.

    by BiggusDickus

    Sad but true.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    nrn, I'm sad that I was right about Heroes

    by turketron_2

    I remember early on you came and dropped some spoilers about Hiro going back in time and for one of his wrong-writings he would save Charlie by killing Sylar, and we would see the ramifications of that. I believe I said they either wouldn't go through with it, or they wouldn't have the balls to explore this possibility for more than one episode. What did they do? The had HIRO CONVINCE SYLAR TO SAVE CHARLIE, AND HAD SYLAR SUDDENLY BE ABLE TO USE HIS TK FOR BRAIN SURGERY TO SAVE CHARLIE. Fucking heroes.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    V = best show since Lost

    by Sithdan

    There, I said it.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Doesn't NBC own USA network?

    by skimn

    Why not rotate second run showings of Burn Notice, Psych, Monk and Royal Pains? Cartoon Network seems to do okay with second run airings of Family Guy and American Dad.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    someone save leno- throw him some cw!!

    by alice133

    thank you very much!<p>i'll be here all week!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Die a white hot death Leno!!!

    by Force_McCockin

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I'll stick to watching Sons of Anarchy over all this shit anyway

    by Stalkeye

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    turk yep I remember

    by nrn

    It was fricking horrible. I wonder if it will be in the deleted scenes because I know for a fact it was shot (Hiro Killing Sylar in the past)know people that were there for the filming of it. Heroes producers didn't have the balls to go thru with it. Oh and for god sakes then they make Sylars power of understanding to let him take out a brain tumor with TK?!?! Yeah I don't buy that. and thus Heroes is off my radar. I will finish up the season, and hope its the last season. They are still going to use the scenes they filmed with Jaya Mays for when Hiro finally finds her, but that was filmed and supposed to be in the "once upon a time in texas" episode. Thats when it was filmed, and thats the episode it was SUPPOSED to air in. No wonder spoiler sources got thin after the Hiro kills Sylar reveal. They even release sides without Sylar in them, just to pull whool over our eyes. Oh then they bring in E.Rhom or Kate from angel as I call her, and don't show her power?! One of us one of them and she was HRGs partner at the time it seemed so what was her power? Then they abuse her, haitian her, and she was a one up. I've lost total faith in heroes. There is nothing in my eyes that can redeem it now. Especially after the Parkman survives 8 Bullets again schtick.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    Annnnnd the ax finally falls on DOLLHOUSE.

    by SpyGuy

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Heroes doesn't live up to the hype

    by MajorFrontbum

    It's full of shit we've all seen before - boring!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Heroes has always been a one-season wonder!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    The writers probably never planned beyond 'save the cheerleader save the world'. They had no idea what to do. It is no winder the show sucks ass. Fire the writers bring in someone who knows almost nothing about the show and reboot!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Dollhouse cancelled

    by lockesbrokenleg

    A nation weeps.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    msNBC's article about Leno's troubles

    by JT Kirk I think the worst part about all this is that the article suggests Jimmy Fallon's ratings troubles could also be traced to Leno's floppage, and while that could be true (Conan is down), it seems like an excuse for the perennially unfunny and terrible interviewer that is Jimmy Fallon. The best thing about Late Night with Jimmy Fallon is that it's exposing more audiences to Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson who is a originally fantastic maniac right out the gate starting with his "up in your grill" monologue camera style.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST


    by Rhinosaur

    Maybe he's a genius in France.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Late night sucks right now

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Letterman is never on. Ferguson acts like a fucktwad. Conan shakes too much. Jimmy makes a rock quarry look exciting.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    The three of us who watch Dollhouse are very disapointed

    by Rob0729

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    The three of us who watch Dollhouse are very disapointed

    by Rob0729

    I kinda enjoyed to be able to communicate with the entire viewing audience of a particular show I watch on this board. There couldn't be anyone else watching the show based on the ratings.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Damn, i didn't realize that was Kate from Angel

    by turketron_2

    Yeah, what a waste of having her as HRG's partner. WTF was the point of that shit!? That sucks that they really did shoot the scenes for Hiro killing Sylar for that episode but then pussied out. Fucking Heroes. I have to be psychotic for continuing to watch this fucking show. I fell asleep watching last night's ep, I'll finish up the back half tonight.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I'm eagerly anticipating...

    by Ryanbraun14

    i'm eagerly anticipating Herc's talkback for the cancellation of dollhouse... wonder how he'll spin it... and if we're lucky, media messiah will show and give his two cents and shortly thereafter, an amended two cents.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Joss thanks fans

    by lockesbrokenleg

    for what? Screwing him over again?

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    i do think NBC is gonna be fucked for a long time because of LEn

    by BMacSmith

    they are gonna be reduced to airing USA dramas and cobbling together cancelled and near cancelled shows to fill the hole left by the Leno trainwreck. not only that, but Conan and Falon will never get their ratings back that they had before Leno aired. They are gonna feel this one for years to come.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    NBC's first mistake? Cancelling Journeyman

    by cromulent

    If they only kept that show going it would have been a super success and then jumpstarted NBC back to recovery and cured AIDS and cancer and feed all the children in the world with love.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    NBC's second mistake - Cancelling Life

    by ganda1f

    Well, I actually have no idea what Life's ratings were like, so I have no idea if it was a mistake for them to cancel it.<p>Man, I liked Life. Wish they'd cancelled Heroes instead.

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    I would like to personally thank all the men and women serving in our Armed Force, past and present, for their service to our country. It is VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Like I said before

    by InActionMan

    The headline is "Dollhouse Forclosed!"

  • Nov. 11, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Heroes needs to end..


    They have no common sense and don't even remotely understand time travel.

  • Nov. 12, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Sorry, nrn...

    by PennsyDeux

    I did believe you when you posted originally about what was supposed to happen. I think Quinto balked at the storyline, which led Kring and company to kibosh it. Maybe ZQ wields a lot of power on the set, which is why he's getting more and more screen time even going back to the Fugitives arc.

  • Nov. 12, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    by Creative1

    Why are any of the "Heroes" pretending they can lead a normal life. How many people have to die before they say "I'm a danger to everyone around me and maybe I'd be better off working for or with the government"? This season needs an Xavier character to balance the Samuel/Magneato character. Bring back the company but only go after the most dangerous people (really how big of a threat was Aqualad?) like black hole guy with a team of heroes. Oh yeah, the new writers (they get new writers every week right?) of Heroes should have to watch every all the previous episodes.

  • Nov. 12, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Leno and Heroes

    by radioflyer

    I think that Jay Leno hates himself and doesn't think his stuff is funny either - - you can see it in his eyes. The whole thing is so forced and painful. The NBC brass claims they only need a 1.5 share to show profit - but at what cost I Oh, and Heroes is absolutely God awful. It was GREAT out of the gate, but it should have been a mini-series, and not Sci Fi Desperate Housewives. I'm sure that this is it's last year before NBC kills it.

  • Nov. 12, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Internet Chat Online!

    by Internet_Chat_Helper