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Fox Hires Len Wiseman For Vaguely Post-Apocalyptic Purposes!

Published at:  Nov 10, 2009 2:47:43 AM CST

Beaks here...



In 2003, he made vampires and werewolves fight. In 2007, he made John McClane boring.

In 2011-ish, Len Wiseman will make another movie because Fox just doesn't give a shit.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, the studio that exists to exasperate has snatched up Wiseman's pitch about a bunch of people who survive the apocalypse. The hook? There's "mystery surrounding how they got into that position". Spoiler: They were fucking Catherine Mary Stewart in a projection booth.

The project is currently carrying the ponderous title of NOCTURNE (which all but guarantees that this lovely Chopin composition will be travestied once again), and it joins ATLANTIS RISING and SHRAPNEL on Wiseman's crowded dance card. I dream every night of a world where all three can be made.

There are no writers currently attached to Nocturne. Wiseman most recently produced the third film in the (possibly) ongoing UNDERWORLD series. He's also kinda tall and goes to the gym a lot.



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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:44:18 AM CST

    Who's Catherine Mary Stuart?

    by chakraborty

  • Nov 10, 2009 2:47:34 AM CST

    The Girlfriend from The Last Starfighter?

    by chakraborty

  • Nov 10, 2009 2:50:07 AM CST

    Um... WHAT?

    by snapt

    Beaks, you are strange.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:51:29 AM CST

    Beaks, besides isulting Wiseman, what does this post mean???

    by barrymore

    Is he remaking Last Starfighter? Why bring up Catherine Mary Stewart (although she probably still is hot)? Huh?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:59:05 AM CST

    Another Hack Pack member returns!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I always thought it was impossible for anyone to make a worse Die Hard movie than Renny Harlin. Len Wiseman proved me wrong.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:00:10 AM CST

    NIfty Night of the Comet reference, Beaks

    by spifftacular squirrel girl

    Nerd cred. ;)

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:01:48 AM CST

    Sounds like you guys

    by kwisatzhaderach

    need to see 'Night of the Comet'.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:02:08 AM CST

    John McClane is never boring...

    by dimensionsplural

    ...and he'd kick your ass for even suggesting it! Live Free or 4.0 is awesome. They should do Die Hard 24: McClane vs Bauer. I'd pay good money to see that...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:02:11 AM CST

    LEN WISEMAN = HORSEMAN OF THE CINEMA APOCALYPSE

    by mullah omar

    Studios are getting bolder about admitting it. I'm unsure whether that's to their credit or not.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:03:01 AM CST

    Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    by kwisatzhaderach

    beat me to it!

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:03:22 AM CST

    Alright! Gym Guy!

    by nippleeffect

    thye survive cos they're all steroid addicts

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:03:50 AM CST

    They Gangbang the Starfighter chick in Night of the Comet?

    by chakraborty

    *Adds Night of the Comet to his netflix queue*

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:04:18 AM CST

    DimensionsPlural

    by kwisatzhaderach

    As ancient master says: "Only John McTiernan can make good Die Hard movie."

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:10:24 AM CST

    kwisatzhaderach couldn't agree more

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    Mctiernan is a fucking god(lets forget about Rollerball) and Harlin no longer holds the shittest Die Hard title-belt. Die Hard 4.0 was merely ok. Die Hard 1 and 3 are intelligent rollercoasters.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:12:27 AM CST

    Beaks, why so bold?

    by morganleafy

    Die Hard 4.0 ruled. Underworld not so much, but I don't judge movies on previous pictures of the director.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:16:02 AM CST

    MorganLeafy

    by drunkymclush

    Watch Die Hard 1 and 2 again and try saying the 4.0 ruled. I should cut you for merely saying that.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Way to fuck with me.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:18:50 AM CST

    Diet Heart For

    by mighty boosh

    I wouldn't say 4.0 ruled but I would say it was great fun. I think the increasingly preposterous action sequences are make or break - if you hated the movie up to that bit, it then became the point of no return, but if you were enjoying the silliness, it smacked you in the face with even more. The only bit I thought was completely unnecessary was Kevin Smith's hacker, even if he did fulfil the role of some kind of plot device.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:19:57 AM CST

    1 & 2 STOMPED 4

    by mullah omar

    A lot of people here like to dump on Harlin's DIE HARD 2, but I felt like it followed in the spirit of the original better than the others, and for me it's more fun to watch than its successors. 3 was definitely a reinvention - not bad, but a very different feel for me. 4 was the weakest of the lot by a pretty wide margin. Fuck you Len Wiseman.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:27:46 AM CST

    More important is the question

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    Is Wiseman gonna get Catherine Mary Stewart to go ass-to-ass with Jennifer Connelly??? I'd buy that for a dollar!

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:33:00 AM CST

    Mullah Omar... I don't hate Harlins film.

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    In fact I think it's his most accomplished. It just is not as crazy as both of Mctiernans. The first had the best story, the second had the best explosions, the third had the best dialogue and the fourth just came last with everything. Violence, plot, performance, tension and cool swearing were all toned down in the watered-down last installment.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:48:15 AM CST

    people missed the Night of the Comet reference?

    by xiphos_2

    If you haven't seen NotC go bask in all of its 80's big hair syntho music track glory and Zombies. Its fun little flick.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:49:36 AM CST

    LEAVE DIE HARD 2 ALONE!!!!

    by centilope

    Die Hard 2 was Die Hard without the half hour or so of exposition and buildup, which, in a sequel, are unneeded. We as viewers do need some of that, but not as much as in part 1 of any series. We know the main players, we know what's gonna happen, we just don't know HOW exactly it's gonna play out. That does make the sequel inferior by default, but it doesn't make it bad. McClane was his badass wisecracking self, Bill Sadler was a good villain, plenty of great action, blood, swearing. Yeah Thornberg, Sipowicz and the two cops were annoying as fuck, but they were there so that we could get more attached to John and his wife. Yeah it was obvious the terrorists would kill everyone except McClane and the black guy and blow up what they came for. So what? Die Hard 2, for me at least is very entertaining, very rewatchable.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:51:50 AM CST

    a

    by morganleafy

  • Nov 10, 2009 3:52:07 AM CST

    Die Hard 2 isn't HORRIBLE

    by sonnyfern

    The eject sequence is GREAT, but for whatever reason is just kinda pitters out somewhere in there. I think it's too much or more of the same...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:54:17 AM CST

    All 4 Die Hard movies ruled

    by morganleafy

    Obviously the fourth one wasn't as good as the first one, but can anyone name a better straight-up action movie in the last last couple of years?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:58:06 AM CST

    die hard 4 was good

    by darrenspool

    beaks is asshole-ly

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:59:52 AM CST

    centilope yeah its not a bad flick

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    just not perfect like part 1 nor as darn entertaining as part 3. I like Sadler in it, I love the janitor "Just like HiroSHIMA!!!". But only being set a year or two later with Dick on the same plane as Holly...it just seems to convienient. Kinda off topic but god I love Micheal Kamens music to that last fight on the wing to when the plane blows up. Fantastic score and another reason why the Fourth movie was weak...No Kamen = Lesser Die Hard.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:04:11 AM CST

    MorganLeafy I got one...

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    Not quite as good as the original but I thought Escape from Precinct 13 was pretty tough.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:05:34 AM CST

    Sorry, Assault on Precinct 13

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    lousy booze...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:06:05 AM CST

    LEN WISEMAN

    by falcon71

    HE MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT HE IS MARRIED TO KATE BECKINSALE!

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:11:49 AM CST

    falcon71....touche'

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    As much as we gripe, he's where we all wanna be. Now as for that fuckwit Ratner....

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:17:41 AM CST

    Re: Better action movies than Die Hard 4 in...

    by chakraborty

    ...the last couple of years: 300, Bourne Ultimatum, Dark Knight, Ironman, Rambo, Bronson, 3:10 to Yuma, Ip Man, The BodyGuard 2, and Crank 2, to name a few.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:24:55 AM CST

    The definitive Die Hard 4 review:

    by rocco curioso

    www.aintitcool.com/node/33162Whassadamattaforyou, Beaks? Did you bump into Kate Beckinsale at some function and she snubbed you? (she seems a bit haughty, if you've read print interviews or seen her on talk shows).I wouldn't put Len Wiseman on the same Soul Sold To The Devil Long Ago level as Brett Ratner or Michael Bay. He could have a great movie in him sometime in the future, but somebody needs to pump the brakes on this post-apocalyptic hoohah for awhile. We've got "2012", "The Road", and "The Book Of Eli"... all crammed into a 3-4 month period. That'll do, pig.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:29:17 AM CST

    This guys gets to fuck Kate Beckinsale...

    by pax256

    But thats about as good as it gets. His films look great but they dont say enough to warrant me caring much.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:36:15 AM CST

    Beaks is obviously jealous of Wiseman. "He goes to the gym a lot

    by starwarrior

    What the fuck is that Beaks? Not to defend Wiseman (Die Hard 4 sucked and I loved the first 3), putting a man down for working out is a way for fatasses to feel superior to the guy. Maybe if you got off your ass a little, you could marry a woman that's half the caliber of Wiseman's wife, Kate Beckinsale aka the hottest chick on the planet. By the way, Michael Bay (whom I consider a genius) was an athlete in high school who's now a Spielberg-adored-Ferrari-driving-supermodel-and-playboy-centerfold-fucking-multi-millionaire. Start the hating there too.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:36:17 AM CST

    Saw Die Hard 4.0 in the cinema.

    by didntpulloutintimecop

    Swear to God, it bored me so much my brain refuses to remember more than sort of an inside head fan made trailer. It didn't make me fall asleep, oh no, it just forced my brain into a selective alzheimers. Any army men listening? Bring DH 4.0 to work tomorrow, your guests will be ready to answer all your questions by the end of the day.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:38:07 AM CST

    Chakraborty

    by morganleafy

    300: ok, not better than Die Hard; Bourne Ultimatum: probably better than Die Hard 4, Dark Knight: ok but overrated, had a better time with Die Hard 4; 3:10 to Yuma: great, but not a real action movie; Ironman: generic superhero movie, definitely not better than Die Hard 4, Bronson: looks great, haven't seen it yet but again not a real action movie

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:43:23 AM CST

    No writers involved

    by thenorthlander

    Wiseman and FOX don't use them anyway?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:48:01 AM CST

    what was Beckinsale thinking??

    by famouseccles

    she left Michael Sheen for this shithead??
    World has never made sense, has it??

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:58:33 AM CST

    MorganLeafy its all opinion anyway

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    Though how someone could call Ironman generic over Die Hard 4 is beyond me. To an extent I see your point, Iron man is by the book. Die hard 4.0 was not an original snowflake however and was at times stupid. Probably my biggest gripe is McClanes ability to Batman-sonar a building so he knows where to drive through the walls from a carpark ramp that seems to scale the entire building....

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:02:55 AM CST

    Also though its script left a little to be desired

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    I'd throw Quantum of Solace up as more intense action than Die Hard 4.0.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:05:49 AM CST

    Most people agree

    by themanwhocan

    that Die Hard 4 was an above avarage action movie all things considered. Whats with all the Len Wiseman hate? hes all the good parts of Michael Bay (action)and none of the fucking shit parts (lame gags,dog humping,stoned annoying mothers,Shia, Fox, the list goes on and on!)

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:09:37 AM CST

    FOX vomiting crap

    by ricarleite2

  • Nov 10, 2009 5:10:26 AM CST

    TDK is NOT overrated.

    by ultimarex

    It's impossible to overrate one of the best films of the decade and the best of 2008. Seriously, how can someone rate that higher than it already is and not look silly.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:16:03 AM CST

    Beaks...

    by themagicalhornofguntata

    ... can you tell me, in your humble opinion, just how Wiseman made John McClane boring?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:20:45 AM CST

    Are you really a yank?

    by morganleafy

    I don't want to speak for all Europeans but we prefer 'real' heroes over omnipotent superheroes. I just felt a bit underwhelmed by Iron Man, most of the movie he's building his suit. The last line was great, though
    And of course Die Hard 4 was a bit stupid at times, but that's exactly why it's an action movie.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:27:30 AM CST

    Die Hard 4

    by holy hell

    I liked it. But your anti-Wiseman polemic was inspired! Keep on keepin' on Beaks.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:32:47 AM CST

    No I'm an Aussie, and by 4.0 McClane WAS a cartoon.

    by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks

    I see your point on Iron Man, I love Love LOVE Die Hard just SOOOO much. I believed in Bruce, had high hopes for Wiseman(never liked Underworld but wouldn't write a guy off as a hack after only two films...christ look at Curtis Hanson.) yet the end result was so....generic that I was gutted. I remember when they released the harder version on dvd. It had a sticker warning of extreme violence and language. The sticker should have just said here is something that closer resembles a Die Hard film...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:35:22 AM CST

    Die Hard 4 was a let down buuuut

    by spectrebeeyatch

    For a B action film it was decent. Better than most action movies put out recently. The only better one I can really think of was Rambo and if Taken had any balls and was R that would have beaten it too but no deal.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:57:40 AM CST

    Luckiest guy in the World!

    by marsz

    Not only does he continue to make (shit) movies, but he's also bangin' one of the most beautiful women in the world: Kate Beckinsale!!! How did this happen?!

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:02:10 AM CST

    hehe. the gym line made me giggle.

    by obscura

    glad to know my favorite movie site cares as little about him as i do.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:08:52 AM CST

    Die Hard 4.0 was laughable

    by tomimt

    but it wasn't boring. Sure enough, the action was really out there, but it wasn't like the origanl movie was a school example of realistic action.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:18:57 AM CST

    Len Wiseman and Michael Bay are as different as Clark Kent and S

    by thedarklinglord

    Which is to say they wear different clothes. They both crap out "look at the size of my dick as represented by screeching noise and hella big explosions" shitty action flicks that are soulless, brainless, and entirely bereft of genuine character development and, thus, sincere human emotion. And I suspect they're both responsible for much of the lame-ass, contrived dialog that ends up in their movies. They're both 10-year-old kids (and all the maturity, intellect, insight, and emotional depth that suggests) playing with action figures on a more expensive, more epic scale. Nothing more.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:20:24 AM CST

    spectrebeeyatch

    by thenorthlander

    DIE HARD is supposed to be an A action film, not a B one. There have been tons of much greater action films put out these past few years including all three Bourne movies, Casino Royale and Rambo to mention a few. Even Shooter was better than Die Hard 4.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:22:46 AM CST

    Underworld III was the best of them all

    by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights

    Which, i guess, wasn't saying much but i enjoyed that movie whereas I merely tolerated the other two.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:47:27 AM CST

    Die Hard 4.0

    by savagedave

    Movies about computer hackers haven't been in since fucking 1995, or thereabouts. I though I was watching a remake of Hackers or Sneakers or something.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:48:53 AM CST

    Humour and irony

    by mr_p

    Excellent - more of it please cos god knows this site needs a sense of humour

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  • Nov 10, 2009 7:02:37 AM CST

    NIGHT OF THE COMET! "think on this!"...

    by flickapoo

  • Nov 10, 2009 7:05:20 AM CST

    ...DIE HARD 4...I got up repeatedly for food, bathroom...

    by flickapoo

    ...to feed the wood stove etc...without pausing the movie. I never do that. I kept hoping it would be over when I got back.It never was. It just kept going.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 7:07:13 AM CST

    ...DIE HARD 4...my Great Aunt Marnie made not dying look...

    by flickapoo

    ...more exciting.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 7:58:46 AM CST

    Michael Bay is a worse filmaker and a douchebag

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    But we don't get posts like these about him...

    I'm no fan of Wiseman but jesus, Beaks makes me feel embarrassed to visit this site.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 8:02:37 AM CST

    McClane Not Boring But Movie Dumb

    by buzz maverik

    With the first DIE HARD, you suspend disbelief a little and you figure that basically a good SWAT/anti-terrorist cop might pull off with an outside chance of surviving. Okay. We're not here for reality. DIE HARD 2, you figure, they have to up it a little, we're farther out, but it's still okay. The same WITH A VENGANCE, although we're veering into stupidity levels with the action and just plain stupidity. LIVE FREE? Last time it was on HBO, I had nothing to do so I counted the number of times McClane, or anybody, would have been squashed. One million ten was the exact count.NIGHT O' THE COMET is a hoot, though. Kind of a lost eighties flick, but you guys would dig it. Cute Valley Girls, sci-fi comedy about the end of the world without going over the top or being stupid, unlike LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 8:15:40 AM CST

    Happy Birthday, Ennio Morricone!

    by kontarsky

    Still the man.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 8:24:40 AM CST

    Starting with you Chakraboty

    by jawa 007

    If you haven't seen Night of the Comet - SEE NIGHT OF THE COMET.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 8:33:46 AM CST

    I can think of worse ways to survive the apocalypse.

    by spyhunter

    At least they weren't with Barney Frank!

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  • Nov 10, 2009 9:23:31 AM CST

    I don't want vaguely post-apocalyptic!

    by royston lodge

    If yer gonna go apocalyptic, do it as blatantly as possible!
    Heh heh heh...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 9:36:49 AM CST

    my two cents (not worth a nickel)

    by crash115

    I have not watched any of the Underworld films, but I really enjoyed Die Hard 4. I especially liked that it didn't use "shaky cam" to make it seem real or up the excitement. It was old school filming...lots of practical effects and stunts. Definitely over the top at certain points, but fun. Loved the relationship between Bruce Willis and Justin Long.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 9:47:02 AM CST

    If I Was Married To Kate Beckensale...

    by sean38

    ...you'd better fucking believe I'd go to the gym a lot!

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  • Nov 10, 2009 9:51:43 AM CST

    1, 3, 2, 16 Blocks, 4.0

    by rage_against_martin_sheen

    Personal order of preference.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 9:52:06 AM CST

    DH4

    by i am rocko

    Ok action movie
    Poor "Die Hard" movie. Nuff said.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 10:00:26 AM CST

    The Pre Apocalyptic Post Apocalyptic show is better

    by therobcat

    That is the funniest podcast of all time. Love those guys. Ken Stitson is the man. I look forward to checking my itunes every week...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 10:24:49 AM CST

    The twist is that they caused the apocolypse??

    by gravybits

  • Nov 10, 2009 10:28:59 AM CST

    Die Hard 4 ruled...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...if by 'ruled', you mean, 'was a generic and underwhelming action thriller that happened to feature a character named John McClane who coincidentally looked like Bruce Willis." In that case, then yes, it ruled.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 10:50:04 AM CST

    Writers? Why would there be writers attached?

    by kabong

    Copy some scenes from various movies and mash them together.

    Am I the only one working here? Let's make it happen. And, you, bitch-du-jour: cut me another line of coke.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 10:57:37 AM CST

    Die Hard 2 is a piece of shit

    by asimovlives

    In Die Hard With a Vengence John McTiernan showd how you make a die Hard sequel with style, vigour, intensity, humour and a bit of brains as well. Die Hard 2 is not even a good parody of Die Hard. I piss and shit on Die Hard 2. Fuck that bullshit movie. Fuck Die Hard 2 and fuck Renny Harlin. When talking about the Die Hard saga, i pretend that that Die Hard 2 piece of shit was never made, as i should. Fuck it.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:00:27 AM CST

    Don't forget he's banging Kate Beckinsale

    by super rabbi

    The envy of every geek.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:06:51 AM CST

    Joining in the Die Hard ranking/Wiseman bashing

    by harrycalder

    Without question, the first Die Hard is an action masterpiece. Witty script; Alan fuckin' Rickman; action choreographed, shot and edited to perfection... *sigh* Die Hard 2 may not have the finesse of the first, but still fun as hell and lotsa big boom. Die Hard 3... just felt weird to me, with the whole "brother's revenge" thing. But the action was great. Live Free or Die Hard: PG-13. What else to I need to say, except: FAIL! (points for Mary Elizabeth Winstead, though). Wiseman is indeed a hack, but there's far worse out there. The Underworld movies are kind of fun. Just keep him away from well-established franchises, that's all I ask.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:10:05 AM CST

    Also, Night of the Comet is great!

    by harrycalder

    CMS is mega hot, but the blond cutie co-star totally stole my heart.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:22:10 AM CST

    I'm convinced that...

    by mr. profit

    People who bash "Die Hard 4" have never seen the entire film. Sure it's big, loud, and has action sequences that defy logic. But it's a movie that doesn't take itself seriously. Far from a cash grab, it's more like "Hey, we have fun with these, so let's make it as over the top as possible". You can clearly tell they had fun with this. Also, in the age of "Jack Bauer", when you can get your fill of crazy action on TV every week, the movie did it's best to give you 10 dollars worth. And in my opinion I enjoyed 1 and 4 the best, with 3 following and 2 dead last. Wiseman is far from a bad director. Bad directors are wasteful spenders. People like Bay who made Transformers 2 for 300 million and it doesn't at all look that way. Wiseman made a lean, expensive looking, action packed movie for 110 million. And if he goes to the gym is besides the point. Everyone should go to the fucking gym and stop being lazy asses. I go to the gym every morning at 5AM. Does that make me a douchebag?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:24:56 AM CST

    Also "The Dark Knight" is not an action film...

    by mr. profit

    You have to have action for it to be an action film. The movie was superb, but a cold experience that doesn't leave you wanting to see it over and over. And "Iron Man" is a 2 hour borderline bore of him making a suit for nearly the entire duration of the running time. Only to get his ass handed to him by a guy who only just learned how to use a similar suit that Stark spent so much time learning to use. And who's ending was a big budget remake of the finale of Robocop 2.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:27:36 AM CST

    Even numbered DIE HARD movies...

    by harry weinstein

    Like AIDS only worse.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:53:14 AM CST

    I've never seen Night of the Comet, BUT -

    by thenorthlander

    I bet that when Die Hard 4 is 25 years old, nobody you won't find ANYBODY in ANY talkback ANYWHERE saying "If you haven't seen Die Hard 4.0 - SEE DIE HARD 4.0.
    I just don't see it happening.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 12:05:05 PM CST

    believe me...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...i watched all of Die Hard 4, and as a result, wish I could burn our of my brain the squishy bits that hold those memories.

    And the fun in the Die Hard movies is absolutely there, but they all very much take themselves seriously, which is why DH4 is so hard to watch. The franchise and John McClane were never JUST about the action, but characters as well. DH4 was the first one that felt 'dumb', and I kind of resented that. If I want to watch a cartoon action movie that is 'as over the top as possible", I'll go see a movie by Michael Bay. Or Len Wiseman. REAL Die Hard movies may have over the top situations, but they're dealt with in a gritty, somewhat realistic way. DH4 threw the whole astetic out the window, and went for the feel of slick and overly-cool, which just felt so wrong...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 12:23:59 PM CST

    Die Hard 4 is a superhero movie

    by charyoutree

    and not a very good one at that. It has some decent moments and Wiseman may have a good movie in him, but didn't he dress as The Crow for this halloween?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 12:37:22 PM CST

    The worst thing about Die Hard 4 ...

    by colonelfatheart

    ... was not the lame, uninteresting villains. Not the presence of often-annoying Justin Long (loved him in Idiocracy, though). Not the ridiculous, humorless jet/freeway setpiece. It was the look of it. No amount of commercial sheen (blue or yellow, the only colors in Wiseman's palette, apparently) can make up for the absolutely boring mise-en-scene, blocking, et al. You know, filmmaking. Die Hard 1 was set in a soulless corporate tower, for chrissakes, but McTiernan USED the setting and made it interesting. The roof, the shafts, the unfinished floors, the elevators, the lobbies. All boring places to be, and yet McTiernan found a way to make it as interesting as Indy in a goddamn South American temple.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 12:44:05 PM CST

    Oh, and about Night of the Comet

    by colonelfatheart

    Never saw it, but I do remember the commercials scaring the shit out of me as a kid, for some reason. I'll have to check it out now.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 12:54:52 PM CST

    I don't even rank Die Hard movies. There's DIE HARD...

    by flickapoo

    ...which I love and have seen I don't know how many times...and then there are a bunch of Die Hardish movies that I have either seen once and dismissed or not seen at all.Yep, I'm that die hard.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:02:14 PM CST

    FlickaPoo...

    by red ned lynch

    ...RightaRoo.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:06:05 PM CST

    Night of the Comet, Last Starfighter and The Apple.

    by lenny nero

    The wonder trilogy of Catherine Mary Stewart movies.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:13:14 PM CST

    I will say this in Live Free or Die Hard's defense...

    by harrycalder

    ...they hired Bruce Willis to play John McClane... *ahem*... I mean, they COULD have hired Tom Hardy... but that would have been crazy, right? Handing over an iconic action hero role to someone like Tom Hardy... silly idea, I know.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:13:34 PM CST

    Beaks...thanks for the...

    by red ned lynch

    ...Catherine Mary Stewart shout-out. Saw her in some low budget horror movie made in the last year or so. She's old, but she's in better shape than a lot of her contemporaries (intentionally not looking at you, PJ Soles). By the way, Catherine Mary Stewart was in another post-apocalyptic movie. Called World Gone Wild. Starred her, Michael Pare, Bruce Dern and Adam Ant. It was a seven samurai riff in a water deprived wasteland. It was amazingly cheesy. It was also better than Nocturne will be. I hope I'm wrong, but Answer Bird says no.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:25:14 PM CST

    WORLD GONE WILD

    by mullah omar

    That was one of the better ROAD WARRIOR-style ripoffs. I put it up there almost with CHERRY 2000 in terms of trashy genre fun.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:27:13 PM CST

    The other difference in DH vs LFoDH...

    by cellar door

    McClane is a dick. Pure dick. Not sarcastic, vulnerable, dick to the badguys, baggage with his estranged wife but yet still a nice if "NY'er overwhelmed in weirdo LA" guy...but in LFoDH? He's an all around dick and asshole to basically everybody.I got tired of him insulting everybody and/or being glib and cynical nonstop...either as a joke or for real. The "Command Center" scene is so bad it's almost a caricature of the previous hour's worth of film.Only remotely good thing about LFoDH is Maggie Q and the what screen time the "gerbil guy" got (that French stuntman, martial-arts guy who had a kick ass fight with Jett Li at the end of "Kiss of the Dragon", etc).But this isn't remotely Wiseman hate...I'm one of the few who really like the Underworld series...yes it's occasionally boring where it shouldn't be but I still enjoy those flicks a lot.LFoDH was just an utterly forgettable movie and *that* means it has no place in the Die Hard universe. There was no real threat to the antagonist whatsoever and a total lack of the standard vulnerability in McClane that made him such an "everyman" hero and so relate-able, even in the absurdity of context with what happens to him, of the first 3 films. Even in the relatively "ok" DH2, you've got the creepy guy doing kung-fu naked (wtf?), the great ejection sequence, some decent shoot out scenes in the airport, some good profanity slinging between McClane and the airport police...and, most important, a fully intact and completely recognizable John McClane.I don't know who Willis was playing in LFoDH but it's as if a lesser actor watched those first 3 movies and mistakenly channeled someone more akin to Willis' "Butch" from Pulp Fiction instead of the actual John McClane we all know from the previous movies.Maybe it was the hair.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:49:10 PM CST

    Gears of War

    by tumor_binks

    I thought Wiseman was prepping Gears of War. Wass happen to that?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:50:45 PM CST

    Absolutely right, Cellar Door

    by colonelfatheart

    The Die Hard 4 John McClane had no charm whatsoever. That's probably what Beaks meant when he accused Wiseman of turning him boring.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:52:53 PM CST

    ...HarryCalder...

    by flickapoo

    ...as if anyone would seriously consider such a thing...you're a mad man.(hysterical laughter mixes with sobs, wipes a tear from corner of eye)

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  • Nov 10, 2009 1:57:34 PM CST

    WTF are u smoking? DH2 was great

    by ominus

    just for the icicle death,that movie deserves an oscar.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:00:36 PM CST

    cellar door well said man

    by ominus

    and to think that Willis had the nerve to come here and tell us that DH4 was even better than DH1.the personification of the studio's little bitch.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:04:21 PM CST

    FlickaPoo...

    by harrycalder

    Oh, yes... I AM mad... quite mad, indeed... [huddles in the corner, rocking slowly, glazed eyes staring off into the distance]

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:09:42 PM CST

    Die Hard Year One

    by ominus

    have you read the comic? personally i wouldn't mind a DH prequel movie with a young actor filling Willis shoes.
    Because at the end,what the DH movies is all about is the character of John Mcclane.maybe because he is one of the last authentic representers of the hard boil cop genre,and that makes him so fascinating even in the modern,younger audience.
    and if they could transfer that character intact into a new rebooted/remake/prequel/whatever movie,i wouldnt have a problem.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:15:42 PM CST

    Ominus... I thought you were joking...

    by harrycalder

    But just to be sure, I googled it... and there really is a comic called "Die Hard Year One." [rocking with more agitation now, starting to foam at the mouth...]

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:17:20 PM CST

    no i am not joking

    by ominus

    there is indeed a DH Year One comic.i have downloaded the first two published issues,but i havent read them yet.i just dont dare.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:39:10 PM CST

    All that hate? Seriously? Dude's not that bad.

    by halsolo

    I love chubby nerdy directors who are "visionary" as much as the next AICN reader, but what's the hate? He's a Hollywood solid - nothing more, nothing less, gives the studios what they want on budget. I actually liked LIVE FREE DIE HARD, didn't care about Underworlds, but he delivers in a way PS Anderson or Ratner just don't. He's no Peter Berg, but then - who really is?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:39:25 PM CST

    Len Wiseman to direct " Gears of War"

    by miguel41

  • Nov 10, 2009 2:47:01 PM CST

    Gears of War

    by thenorthlander

    Didn't that project die?
    Anyway, that's actually a franchise I think might be as suitable to Len Wiseman as Beverly Hills Cop is to Brett Ratner. It's got the right palette, the right low depth, some over the top action and as the games' humor relies on "The more macho and exaggerated the characters, the funnier it is" - it's just a perfect Wiseman fit. THAT, I would see.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:49:23 PM CST

    The Unrated Director's Cut of LFoDH...

    by tedkordlives

    It's much better than the Theatrical Cut. In fact, I'd estimate it's 200% more Die Hardier. Who knew swearing made such a difference? I'd actually put it above Die Hard 2 in the heirarchy.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 2:50:25 PM CST

    ...Re: DIE HARD: YEAR ONE...

    by flickapoo

    ...I didn't like John McClane's ridiculous scary "Die Hard" voice in that one...I wanted to like it, but it was distracting.Also, the Die Hard Pod was very cool, but didn't have nearly enough screen time. If fact, the whole thing could have used more action. I get that it elevated the genre and all that, but there are better examples of crime drama out there, and as a Die Hard movie it just wasn't enough fun. I don't think it's bad or anything, I just don't have a real desire to see it again any time soon...emotionally it left me pretty cold. I really liked how they used military technology to explain how John McClane could run on broken glass in bare feet etc... And yes, The Joker rocked.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:03:03 PM CST

    If any more Die Hard movies are made, they should get Sly

    by thenorthlander

    Stallone knows his way around directing, 80s action and late sequels.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:18:34 PM CST

    hold your breath with Sly

    by ominus

    lets wait for the expendables movie,and then we talk about how Sly is suitable to direct 80s style action movies.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:29:51 PM CST

    ominus

    by thenorthlander

    Has Sly ever let you down?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 3:35:55 PM CST

    Has Sly ever let us down?

    by colonelfatheart

    Hmmm ... let's see. Over the Top. Copland. Oscar. Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot. Rocky V. Assassins. The Specialist ...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:00:46 PM CST

    Copland was solid

    by savagedave

    The rest were shit though, to be fair.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:07:27 PM CST

    Post-Apocalypism is the new IT genre

    by gravybits

  • Nov 10, 2009 4:13:31 PM CST

    But dear God, the theatrical cut of LFoDH is dire.

    by tedkordlives

    Yeah, Bruce, keep yelling 'Is that the best you can do?'. That'll convince me that you're John McClane again.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:25:45 PM CST

    DIE HARD ripoffs which are better than 4.0

    by palimpsest

    UNDER SIEGE, UNDER SIEGE 2: DARK TERRITORY, PASSENGER 57, RICOCHET, SUDDEN DEATH. Hell, even NO CONTEST and NO CONTEST II had the good sense to cast Robert Davi, Bruce Payne and Lance Henriksen between them...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:42:50 PM CST

    hmm

    by michzh

    They Gangbang the Starfighter chick in Night of the Comet?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:46:18 PM CST

    Beaks I have a serious question to you. PLEASE ANSWER

    by proman1984

    Do you only pick on Fox because Harry and the rest of his lapdogs like Merrick feel the need to do the same? Is that the reason? Are there no other studios out there who don't make choices you dislike? It just comes off as ridiculously fake each time since no matter what context Fox is mentioned in, the studio gets shat on? The same goes for the equally unfair treatment of Ratner. If I had any respect for any of you fool than I would have lost it simply because of this idiocy.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 4:58:14 PM CST

    All this Catherine Mary Stuart talk...

    by tedkordlives

    ...and no mention of 'Weekend at Bernie's'? That's a travesty right there. "Hi Tawny, I'm Horny."

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:08:33 PM CST

    There was No Contest II?

    by tedkordlives

    Does Rowdy Roddy Piper come back? If not, zero interest.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:36:51 PM CST

    This is making me remember that TB craze...

    by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil

    ..where everyone was using the (GUNSHOT) joke. Ah, I remember those days well. I also remember getting banned around then by a certain AICN staffer who is sadly no longer with us, having been lured away to a website that nobody ever reads and occasionally popping up here to bathe in his past glories. That person shall remain unnamed but, man, am I glad he fucked off.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:41:26 PM CST

    some assholes have all the luck

    by glenn_the_tool

    Uwe Boll gets to repeated rape the video game movie subgenre despite horrible box office returns and terrible reviews. Len Wiseman gets to make boring, bland action movies and fuck Kate Beckinsale every night. meanwhile, truly smart, creative filmmakers are being ignored, and i'm a 25-year-old film student who can't even get enough financial aid to graduate next year and start a legitimate career in the film industry. the world sucks a big bag of donkey dicks.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:43:25 PM CST

    Picking on Fox because...

    by judge briggs

    Time after time, they fuck us with horrible movies ... see X3 and Wolverine.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 5:58:19 PM CST

    See Wolverine?

    by tedkordlives

    Not in a million years, Judge, and not for a million dollars.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:01:25 PM CST

    Die Hard 2 sucked hard with a vengeance

    by spazatronik2000

    Die Hard 4 was excellent. It was EASILY the 2nd best in the series. BY FAR. If you whiney little bitches didn't like it, no one really gives a fuck. Just go away and change your tampon.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:18:01 PM CST

    glenn stfu

    by dutchschaeffer

    you ponce

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:24:37 PM CST

    Len Wisemen is a hack who couldn't direct traffic in a parking l

    by force_mccockin

    The only action in Die Hard 4 was the slow, painful wailing sounds of death from a once mighty franchise after Wiseman was hired. Fuck you Len, you are an ambassador of mediocrity and banality!! Fuck you!!

    And send your wife over!!

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:47:05 PM CST

    I liked Die Hard4....

    by j2talk

    didnt mind the lack of swearing- to me cussing doesnt make a film...HATED the bit with the jet-that part sucked, but the film gets bonus points for KS as Warlock so it ALMOST makes up for it...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:48:04 PM CST

    ColonelFatheart: What the hell are you talking about??

    by thenorthlander

    None of those films are directed by Sylvester Stallone.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:50:03 PM CST

    TedKordLives

    by thenorthlander

    What you just wrote, that would make a good T-Shirt print.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 6:51:53 PM CST

    Live Free or Die Hard was superior to Die Hard 2

    by turdontherun

    Am I alone in this opinion?The McTiernan helmed 1st and 3rd movies were by far and away the best, though.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 7:08:27 PM CST

    Mullah Omar...

    by red ned lynch

    ...whole movie is worth it for that last bit with Dern when he climbs down from the pyre. Yeah, I love World Gone Wild. Had it on VHS for years and was finally able to get it again about a year ago. "What's wrong?" "All the fucking rain!" Yeah, that's just about perfect.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 7:12:52 PM CST

    Thanks Northlander

    by tedkordlives

    I guess it would, at that. When I heard about the shit they pulled with Deadpool, I was out. Like, I will never see that movie. It's obviously another case of Fox fucking with the Fanboys, and I want no part of it.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 7:16:30 PM CST

    TurdontheRun

    by thenorthlander

    Almost. Pretty much. Die Hard 2 had a few things that made it better. For instance, it had a much better villain that actually looked like he could kick McClane's ass.
    When the bad guy in Die Hard 1 didn't get what he wanted, he'd shoot a hostage in the head. When the bad guy in Die Hard 2 didn't get what he wanted, he'd crash a passenger airplane, killing hundreds of innocent people. When the bad guy in Die Hard 3 didn't get what he want, he'd threaten to blow up a school. When the bad guy in Die Hard 4 didn't get what he wanted, he'd scream and shout like a little bitch and throw his keyboard at people in despair.
    Come on!
    Also, the cops as I recall were keeping McClane down by working against him, making him a bigger hero because he has to overcome greater obstacles.
    Oh yeah, and it's got that awesome title too. DIE HARDER! Where would we be today if not for that title?

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  • Nov 10, 2009 7:53:16 PM CST

    This guy can't direct a flick to save his life.

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov 10, 2009 8:18:46 PM CST

    Northlander

    by colonelfatheart

    No, he didn't direct them, but it proves he is capable of letting us down.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 9:20:58 PM CST

    Len Wiseman hate easily defined

    by tall_boy66

    His movies are dull, overdose of wall-crawling wire-work kung fu (which had no place in a Die Hard movie), and he shoots everything blue. I'd rather watch a Michael Bay movie any day of the week aside from the 3 turds this guy shat out.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 9:23:28 PM CST

    Wiseman shoots action like a grandma with a polaroid cam

    by tall_boy66

    Which is to say, really fucking badly.

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  • Nov 10, 2009 10:51:53 PM CST

    Die Hard 4.0 Was ALL FUN

    by blhotz

    ...if you are looking for anything else from a Die Hard movie, you are a moron. If you want a "realistic" movie, rent a drama. Underworld was 10x better than I thought it would be...

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  • Nov 10, 2009 11:35:21 PM CST

    I ignore Weekend at Bernies.

    by lenny nero

    It's a fine movie, but it completely falls out of CMS's batshit trilogy.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 12:59:01 AM CST

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    by internet_chat_helper

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  • Nov 11, 2009 2:37:03 AM CST

    Beaks, thanks for NOT answering!

    by themagicalhornofguntata

    At least when you question Quint over something he's written, he replies. Not so much Captain Beaky. Maybe that's why I would take someone like

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  • Nov 11, 2009 2:37:06 AM CST

    Beaks, thanks for NOT answering!

    by themagicalhornofguntata

    At least when you question Quint over something he's written, he replies. Not so much Captain Beaky. Maybe that's why I would take someone like

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  • Nov 11, 2009 2:38:26 AM CST

    Sorry for double post

    by themagicalhornofguntata

    ... my keyboard has a mind of its own. It should finish 'someone like Quint more seriously, because at least he backs up what he says'.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 6:52:47 AM CST

    Beaks

    by buffalo500

    aww, poor old Beaksy has a problem with Die Hard 4. So is Wiseman officially on the shit list of AICN news?? Beaks, you sound like you want to throw your toys out of the pram. So how come girly flicks like that Eddie Murphy musical from a few years ago and Stallone films are lauded on this site while decent action films like DH4 are not? What is it, politics?

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  • Nov 11, 2009 8:03:07 AM CST

    ColonelFatheart

    by thenorthlander

    We're talking about Stallone's ability to direct 80s action. How he acts in movies written and directed by other people is irrelevant. You can only do so much with bad material.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 11:45:04 AM CST

    The Underworld films are stupid, fun and harmless.

    by knuckleduster

    Geeks only started hating Wiseman the moment he took on a beloved franchise. Note to mediocre directors: Stay the fuck away from from franchises that geeks love. They will crucify you. Wasn't Underworld released the same year as Van Helsing? It was better than that piece of shit.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 12:51:07 PM CST

    Die Hard 4 was shiatttttt, end of discussion!

    by jackgraham

    anyone who rates it highly has no sense of what makes a film good. these are people who describe films as "fun" and "it passed the time" and "it had goo action in it", one word describes you all, morons. no offense, but you have no place here if you liked die hard 4. let the hate for me begin.

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  • Nov 11, 2009 3:13:49 PM CST

    Underworld 3 sucked ass

    by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes

    Undie 1 and 2 were ok though

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