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UPDATED!! SPONGEBOB Pulls Better 18-49 Than LENO Or BETTY!! W-COLLAR Freefalls! SGU Hits New Low!! L&O & SMALLVILLE Downgraded!!
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Friday 18-49 finals (previous weeks in parentheses):
2.8 (1.7) (1.6) (2.0) (1.5) (1.7) (2.3) 20/20
1.9 (2.0) (2.1) (2.0) (2.2) (1.7) (2.3) Ghost Whisperer
1.9 (1.9) (2.1) (1.9) (2.0) (1.9) (2.1) Medium
1.8 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----)(----) Law & Order (9 p.m.)
1.8 (1.7) (1.8) (1.8) (1.6) (1.6) (1.8) Numbers
1.7 (1.4) (1.5) (1.6) (1.5) (1.2) (1.2) Law & Order (8 p.m.)
1.3 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) SpongeBob's Truth or Square
1.3 (1.3) (1.1) (----) (----) (----) (----) Supernanny
1.2 (1.1) (1.2) (1.4) (----) (----) (----) Ugly Betty
1.2 (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) The Jay Leno Show
1.2 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Bones
1.2 (1.1) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) House
1.1 (1.0) (1.5) (1.0) (1.1) (----) (1.1) Monk
1.1 (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) Smallville
0.9 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Fanboy & Chum Chum
0.9 (1.2) (1.4) (----) (----) (----) (----) White Collar
0.7 (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (----) Stargate Universe
0.7 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Cavaliers vs. Knicks
0.7 (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) (----) Spurs vs. Trailblazers
0.5 (0.7) (0.4) (0.6) (----) (----) (0.9) College Football
0.5 (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.7) (----) (----) Sanctuary
0.5 (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) America’s Next Top Model
* “20/20” scored a season high with Diane Sawyer’s interview of knocked-around befeathered songstress Rihanna.
* “L&O” didn’t beat typical Friday champs “Ghost Whisperer” and “Medium” after all.
* While “L&O” is still a shadow of its former self (and the lowest-rated NBC show besides “Dateline” and “Leno”), the two new Friday episodes of “L&O” gave the series its two highest scores of the season.
* “Numbers” also didn’t beat “Whisperer” and “Medium” in the finals
* Depressingly for fans of any component of Fox’s regular Friday line-up, repeats of “House” and “Bones” outscored every first-run episode of “Brothers,” “‘Til Death” and “Dollhouse” broadcast on a Friday this season.
* Despite a stronger-than-usual Friday lead-in from “L&O,” “Leno” for the third time in eight days matched its all-time low of 1.2 in 18-49:
1.2 (1.3) (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) (5.3) Mon
2.0 (1.8) (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) (3.4) Tue
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (1.9) (2.0) (3.5) Wed
1.6 (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (2.7) Thu
1.2 (1.2) (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) (2.2) Fri
* “Spongebob's Truth or Square” out-absorbed “Leno” in adults 18-49 (and clobbered Leno in overall viewers).
* “White Collar” is now pulling a smaller 18-49 than “Smallville,” having plummeted from 1.4 to 0.9.
* “Stargate Universe” hit another series low.
* For the second week in a row, the overnights gave “Smallville” a false increase. Finals revealed the show to be flat again at 1.1 instead of up at 1.2. For those asking if a slight rebound in “Smallville” ratings guarantees the show a 10th season, I’m inclined to point out a few facts:
a) “Smallville” likely remains (thanks in part to Tom Welling’s salary) The CW’s most expensive shows to produce.
b) It’s now dead last among Friday’s weak field of Big Five first-run shows and sometimes even lags Friday cable fare like “Monk” and “White Collar.” Even if Friday’s 1.2 sticks, “Smallville” also remains among The CW’s lowest-rated series:
CW current first-run season averages in 18-49:
1.76 The Vampire Diaries
1.49 America’s Next Top Model
1.23 Supernatural
1.13 One Tree Hill
1.11 Gossip Girl
1.10 90210
1.01 Smallville
0.78 Melrose Place
c) According to the finals, “Smallville” garnered 2.63 million viewers Friday; that’s a long way under the 4.76 million viewers per episode “Smallville” averaged during seasons one through eight (to say nothing of the series’ 6.3 million season-two peak).
d) Last season, when “Smallville” was pulling a substantially bigger audience, CW execs thought long and hard about replacing it with, among other things, “The Graysons” (a look at Batman when he was a boy).
Find James Hibberd’s analysis here.
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Rihanna hates black men.
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no one cares if you are first. Is your life that empty and meaningless?
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and last night's Smallville was the best episode all season, with a glimpse at Krypton past, when Jor-El and Zod were still friends. Very entertaining. Oh, and no Smallville soap opera-ness...
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...that Dick Grayson was Robin. My mind has been blown.
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No one cares that you have ADD.
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...in this fight.
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WAS Robin, WAS Nightwing, IS Batman.
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ditto.
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Yes belive it or not i not only write the Batman movies, but i'm also deeply involved with the current run of the comic
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That smallville is a better show than buffy ever was and has lasted longer than buffy and angel. Gee herc wonder why? Its a better show with more fans
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...but much much better then Herc thinks it is.
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All other smallville fans whay would you consider the top 10 best espisodes of smallville so far. I got my list just curious what yours are
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Is clearly the biggest douchebag this site has ever seen. I came to his defense awhile ago, and now I regret it. All you guys are right, ALL he ever does is whine, bitch, complain, and be negative. He never has anything positive or helpful to say, ever. Every single post from him is just a dark cloud. He is the Eeyore of AICN.
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If it was still in Thursday slots, it would be much higher. But the show keeps on living up to where it should be...hope there is at least 1 more season
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They showed Krypton, They showed the Kandorian war, they had the BALLS to do things the previous show runners never did. Last nights ep went by in a jiffy. It was amazingly well done.
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...in my designer dress and makeup done by my private team of cosmetologists and my personal hair stylist's new creation. Eff love! There! Yeah... I said it!"
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a tighter focus on the main plot arc is the main reason. a plot that makes sense and doesn't feel so contrived. I too think this is the last season. I hope they end it with at least one flight with tights.
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Hannah Rihanna cuz they say she's just putting on a show and is not telling the truth. That she's making it look like it was one-sided. I don't give a crap about either but last time I checked he had no injury whatsoever so he can stop crying about this interview coming out while he's trying to drop his new cd. Although I thought she did it more to coincide with her cd, but whatever.
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First, people love to say how 'why is this show still going on? Welling is already THIRTY!' while that point is true, he DOES NOT look thirty... its not rediculous like Saved by the Bell when i was a little kid and they had actors clearly in their upper twenties playing perpetual highschoolers. Personally, I always thought Welling a) didn't have good writing to work with, b) had awful story arcs such as lana/clark will they/won't they where the story and the motivations of characters made it impossible for the actors to come off like they believed in the writing, and impossible for the viewer to care about what these characters were oding in the show. c)Welling will never, nor will he ever deserve, an emmy. However, superman has never been a truly deep charactxer... superman is just a big boyscout while his real identity and the person he is first and foremost, clark kent, is a guy who is a vulnerable and not confident person... he never has all these emotions that sway his actions, he isn't deep and we never wonder what he's thinking. He's just a quiet and rarely emotional one-note character... welling doesn't really have to spread his wings as an actor and deliver moving performances ind order to do justice to the character.What was SHOCKING this week, is when Clark held a dying Jor-el in his arms and wouldn't you know it, he acted the shit out of that character and plot moment... i've NEVER seen him convey so many emotions in any moment he's ever had... it was such a legit performance i feel compelled to credit the new showrunners... i could see them making Welling shoot that scene fifty times until he got it right. This episode of smallville is EXACTLY what it should have been YEARS ago... its incredible to see how these new showrunners have turned a show i had grown completely disinterested in into one of my 'look foward to it' shows. They've fixed this show in so many ways... even the look of the way each scene is shot... and its obvious to anyone watching that they are doing EXACTLY what they need to do to turn this show into the show it always had the potential to be... into what it SHOULD be.I might be alone here, but the guy playing Zod is arguably giving the best performance from an actor the show has ever had... i always thought no one would touch Luthor, but in hindsight, Luthor was the one character the show had who was given quality writing to perform.
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Call it geezerly all you want, and yeah those are the two fugliest cops ever, but they make up for it with the acting and looks of Linus "Thomas Wayne" Roache (spl?) and Alana De La Garza. That propofol episode last night was great. I'm glad some justice got served and not the usual cliff hanger or "oh well we tried but grabbed our ankles this time" ending I keep happening upon.
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I actually have really enjoyed the past couple seasons of Law&Order. The cast is pretty solid, and they've got pretty great storylines. Still the best procedural on television.
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One of the things I really respect about Law and Order is that they don't get the bad guys all the time. It's not like other shows, where the killer is always caught. The killer may be caught on L&O, but he sometimes is let go, allowing a sort of bleak ending. That's gutsy storytelling on television.
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The CW never considered replacing Smallville last year, when it remained one of the highest rated shows. They considered another Millar/Gough Dick Grayson show, about *gasp* Dick Grayson (who is Robin, not Batman).
Number 2 is that you don't seem to be reading up on The CW's reaction, which is firmly positive about Smallville's rankings (well up over their crappy comedy block they used to have there) on Friday night. While it was an idiot move to put it on the Friday death-slot, they've all but came out in favor of a Season 10 and the writers have stated time and again that the plan is to break a Season Finale and not a series finale based on this reaction.
So please, for the love of God, get your facts at least somewhat straight before reporting. As others have mentioned Smallville was great last night, one of the best, and has been much better than last season so far this year. You seem to be stuck in the "overnight ratings are all that matters" syndrome that I thought you a-holes grew out of once the Live + 7 ratings started existing (because not everyone watches shows the night they air anymore thanks to TiVo and the internet).
Also, Law and Order SVU NICS CSI New Jersey by way of Miami in the middle of Ottowa is a piece of sh*t. All those shows are (demonstrated by the total inability to distinguish themselves from each other). -
I gave DC the idea to make Grayson into Batman and Bruce's bastard son into Robin, and JettL93 was not in the room as I did so. And, unless his real last name is Nolan, JettL93 was not in the room when the Nolans and I were hard at working writing the last two Batman movies. And he's not helping us write Batman III. He. Is. Delusional.
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Nov 07, 2009 7:07:17 PM CST
I remmeber I told Nolan, "You know, a bank heist would be cool"
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and he just kept nodding his head.
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"'The Graysons' is seen as a potential replacement for 'Smallville' should that show end its run this season, which has been speculated." - Variety 9/30/08
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What Smallville is doing in its 9th season is nothing short of miracle.
And yea they were never going to cancel smallville for dick greyson. They were just prepping another DC show for when SV ended which everyone thought was going to be last season but then it got too good to cancel which is happening to a much stronger degree this season.(And the Geoff Johns two parter hasn't arrived yet)
I'm guessing the only way there will not be another season is if they decide to do that metropolis tv movie instead as a closing act.
And Callum Blue is so insanely good as Zod that all I can think of as comparison is Ledger's Joker. -
are the seeds of Forrest Gump and Lennie Small implanted into the egg of Juliette Lewis from "The Other Sister." JettL93 was just lucky to be of Gump seed. Lockes, not so much...
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"The uncertainty surrounding the show’s future has proved challenging as Souders and her fellow writers begin to map out the second half of the season. Are they approaching a season finale or a series finale? 'It’s something that we faced last year, too,' she says. 'To try and break two different endings for a season kind of puts you at cross-purposes a little bit. For one, you’ll rev things up, and for another, you’re trying to bring everything to the finish line. But we’re really planning on breaking a season finale and not a series finale.' - Entertainment Weekly 10/28/09
http://tinyurl.com/yjj8po4
Show me where it says The CW has renewed "Smallville" for a 10th season and I will give you a dollar. -
Just a note on Rihanna. She's got to be the most stunningly beautiful woman in entertainment today. And Jeremy Sisto is a great actor. I just wish they'd put him on a show with some life and energy in it.
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I abandoned Smallville around the time that Christopher Reeve had his heralded cameo on the show, but I hear whispers of all these awesome DC cameos.
I just wonder if I can skip through episodes so as to avoid any soap opera bullshit without going through annoying issues with fast forward/rewind. -
After the "Graysons" idea was abandoned there was also talk this time last year of possibly replacing "Smallville" with a Martian Manhunter spin-off.
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Yeah, and you are Gods gift to AICN.
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Law & Order gets an uptick in its first hour to its strongest ratings of the season, and then picks up MORE audience with a second new episode? Does this mean Dateline is shit? Well, actually, having watched a few eps this season, yeah, Dateline is garbage and an embarrassment compared to 20/20. Or does this merely mean folks want scripted drama on Fridays, not reality shows or low-quality newsmags or Leno? Perhaps NBC should look at their programming and scheduling departments a little harder when they are seeing the CW go toe-to-toe with them while airing the perennially-low-rated Smallville and a RERUN of America's Next Top Hooker. Seems like people don't want to see just 1 hour of drama on Friday from NBC. BTW, where's the nutjob fringe Rightwing "parent" groups shitting their pants over the fact that with 10pm taken off NBC's sched, the mature-themed Law & Order and its spinoff, the Rape Show, are on during so-called family hours? My favorite part of this article though is the entire set of numbers Mon - Fri dating back to day 1 for Leno, where it goes "day 1: everybody tuned in to see what it was gonna be. Days 2-3: a couple million key-demo folks didn't come back. Days 4-5: a million more said bye-bye. Day 6: key demo ratings now at nearly a quarter from just 5 shows and 1 week back." Finally, Dick Greyson ain't that interesting. Not as Robin, not as Nightwing, not as leader of the Teen Titans, and not as Batman's replacement (long live the Batman).
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I'm just coherent.
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Stupid, but coherent.
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it's the best cast on TV right now. The man Sam Waterston, Sisto, Anthony Anderson, Linus Roache, S. Epatha Merkerson, the hot ADA. The cast with the most talent between the bunch and that wasn't simply cut from the pages of Maxim magazine or Men's Health. The only thing is it's all wasted on performances that are supposed to be "real," which just means stilted and boring as fuck in order to match the laziest "ripped from the headlines" writing in the history of television.
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It was truly good and promised more of the same as it ended, with Clark burying his father, Zod looking on. I don't know if SV will see another season, but at least it's not mailing it in. It's trying very hard to produce a quality show, with coherent storytelling. I think that should be rewarded. I'm hoping it hits 3 million soon. If so, I think the CW will need to really consider bringing it back and rounding out the series on the showrunners' terms. As for Friday. Of course it's a factor. Otherwise, networks would put their highest-rated shows on Friday. I mean, they'd get the same amount of viewers, right? ... Right.
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That's a great show. Period. Yay, Fridays!
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You are a bitter little kid because joss whedon's shows never made it this far and smallville will go to season 10
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Watched the first 6 seasons and then I just gave up. On a whim I started watching Season 9, and it is way better than I remember. Can't wait for the JSA 2-parter. If Geoff Johns thinks they got the look and tone of the worlds first super-team correct, I'm stoked.
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The cancer of TV.
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I've never heard of a more REDICULOUSLY AWFUL concept for a tv show--robin before he was robin? who really gives a shit if the character is in comics... that ludacris concept is just a fucking show about a circus... who gets an idea THAT BAD into a meeting with a tv exec... HOWEVER, a nightwing show, for instance, would be AWESOME. They're worried about a tv batman getting people confused with the movie batman (which is insulting to EVERYONE in the world, literally) but you can totally pull off Nightwing--you just need to allude to batman, never see him, and let nightwing kic, ass... i gave new teen titans a chance purely because i bought and read all the nightwing trade paperbacks and wanted more nightwing... since then i've gotten all 60 issues of new teen titans where the group is formed and grayson is still robin, then i got all 160 new teen titans with him as nightwing, then all 50 of the nineties run of titans, and have been accumulating all the issues of the current titans until i feel there are enough issues to read all at once... GIVE US NIGHTWING IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US A GRAYSON STORY! At the very least they should do a green arrow show... i'd rather have nightwing, though.
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to follow your logic, shouldn't my bitterness be directed at Law & Order, now in its 20th season?
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who can spend an hour watching a tortured kal el...get over it and now zod is a clone? and clark buried a clone of his father...so big fucking woop
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Herc!!!!
what a joke this page is, he is so bitter and angry that his precious Dollhouse is about to be canceled that even though smallville is doing good inspite of being on friday nights (both creatively and in terms of the amount of viewers that have seeked the show out inspite of being on friday night) that he has to spend the whole article downplaying a show he doesnt even watch.
hey man if you are going to post the writers qoute from the ew article why dont you post who friggen qoute ya douche bag!!!
not just cherry pick the part that you want.
your such a joke of a commentator on whats exciting and entertaining on televison.
hey herc get a clue even on smallvilles smallest night on fridays it still bested the dollhouse.
And now they have even yanked the show from the sweeps to burn off the remaing episodes in december.
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Because of that stupid fuck everyone now misspells "ludicrous".
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The answer is logically no. Law and order is in a different genre and started way before buffy and angel. But u hate that a show that started after both buffy and angel is in its 9th season. That u feel is not as original as those two is doing better and lasted longer than they ever did. Because joos whedon is a hack who couldn't write a wonderwoman episode yet superman has lasted nine years
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Smallville can't catch a break here. If it drops in the ratings, it's a dead show; if it rises in the ratings, it's a dead show; if in it's ninth year it has resurrected itself as the definitive take on the Superman mythos, it's a dead show. Know why? Because Herc hates it. 'Scuze me for saying, but Herc can't stand comic book heroes and doesn't know much about them. Mistaking Dick Grayson for a young Batman is a boffo error and shows Herc's amateurish critiquing abilities.
Everyone who has really looked at the stats knows that Smallville has done very well in the 'death slot'. I wish it wouldn't have been consigned there, but it's gaining in viewership. In fact, CW hasn't had this many people watching Friday nights since September of 08. And Smallville's DVR ratings are one of the highest in all of television. That has to be good news to Dawn and her crew at CW.
Last episode called 'Kandor' rocked. If you missed it, you missed a lot. Fantastic sci-fi, good acting and character development. Really fine show deserving much more respect than it gets on this site. No matter what is said here, though. The proof is in its longevity, its DVD sales and its great take on the Superman mythos. Herc ought to be pleased. In a time when many sci-fi shows are tanking, Smallville still soars. Way to go Man of Steel. -
Best 2 shows on CW...BY FAR.
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Best episode of smallville and better than any episode of buffy and u will under stand smallville fana though 'lara' and 'justice' are great episodes too
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Herc, I love ya and a dig these tv ratings posts but I registered here just to say; that was the saddest attempt at a comeback.
No you aren't following "his logic" by hypothetically hating on L&O, because his logic wasn't based within the length of a series, rather in the writer/director of a show.
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Herc obviously knows comic book heroes a hell of a lot better than you do since you don't even know that Dick Grayson is, in fact, Batman. Not to mention Herc's constant promotion of the real definitive DC show on TV throughout its run - Justice League Unlimited.
Granted, Smallville is surprisingly awesome this season, and if this were the first season of the show, I'd even go so far as to say it's the best live action superhero show ever. But this is season 9, leaving a string of mediocre seasons in the shows past.
In 10 years no one will remember that Smallville's last year or two were awesome, they'll remember the years of shitty Gough/Millar Lana angst and fear of plot advancement.
I just hope the new producers are given their own DC show that can be truly legendary. They've changed the show so much that the embarrassing WB-era "Save me" theme song doesn't even fit any more. -
IN PRISON. it's a fact. geezerly, that is funny. so is gump seed
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Need to catch up, but even as improved as it may be, without Glover, it just doesn't do it for me anymore.
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Dense but fast-moving. Unexpected when Chief of D hands over some illegal drug, for medicinal purposes.
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One thing I like about Smallville is that Clark is occasionally allowed to get pissed off now and then. As opposed to Superman Returns' Christ-like version. When he learned Jor-El (well, sort of Jor-El... long story) was being held captive by Tess, he got mad, picked her up by her throat. I'm not saying Superman's supposed to be violent, but you gotta allow him to be emotional, and sometimes get mad. He's not Batman, but he shouldn't be our lord and savior, either...
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Batman Reborn was on the covers.
Then I find it's Dink Grayson in the cowl.
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The show had some great moments and great episodes, but they're almost always saved for premieres, finales and sweeps weeks. There is lots of filler between the episodes continuing the story arcs, and some of that filler is just awful, awful stuff.
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The cowl should have gone to Tim when Bruce "died". He earned it by never turning his back on Bruce like Dick.
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What's really interesting about Smallville is that it had to mold into the Green Arrow show to make it this good.
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I don't care who else is filling in for him. Bruce Wayne is, and always will be Batman.
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Maybe The CW was considering a Robin show as a replacement for SV because Tom Welling and Allison Mack, the 2 stars of the show, had yet to sign a contract to come back for a 9th season. It was still by far one of the top-rated shows on the network last season (and I'm sure it still would be had they left it on Thursday nights), so I doubt they were going to say no to a 9th season as long as Tom Welling was on board. As for the drop in ratings, that was expected when they moved the show to Fridays. They were looking for a way to get better ratings on that night & it was a smart move to put "Vampire Diaries" on Thursday nights w/ "Supernatural". SV could be doing a lot worse on Fridays & it's a pretty good sign that the ratings have been going up lately. I'm sure they'll go up again when they air the Justice Society two-parter. I have to say, Season 8 was one of the best of the series & Season 9 is shaping up to be the absolute best, which is very impressive. The reaction to the current season has been very positive and the show makes a lot of money internationally & in DVD sales. From everything I've read, I wouldn't count the show out just yet. They just may get their 10th season. The truth is, all of The CW shows have been suffering this season & "Vamp Diaries" is the only new show that's doing well. They've had too many failures. They almost need SV & "Supernatural" to survive, no matter how expensive they may be to make.
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Herc,
Despite having enjoyed your work here on the site for the better part of the last five years, I'm really shocked at the transparent hatred of Smallville. You breeze past shows that are legitimately bad and spend three quarters of this article laying out an argument for why a long-running show undergoing an obvious renaissance should be canceled. Why can't you give the new showrunners the credit they are so obviously due for resurrecting a show that was clearly headed for the dustbin? This season, Smallville has improved in almost every way. The acting/direction has been better. The cinematography has vastly improved. The writing has been, if not stellar, than at least a drastic change from the teen-soap pap of previous seasons, and appears to have finally completely freed itself from the constraints of pretending to conform in any way to comic-cannon.
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Herc, people are calling you bitter because week after week i have read your constant spin on dollhouse in what was becoming an increasingly pathetic attempt to (i can only assume) get people watching it and getting excited about it... neither has happened to any worth-noting extent, and the talkbacks make that clear.It reads like you want smallville to fail based out of spite. Dollhouse and Smallville have had pretty similar numbers, yet you report that its all great for dollhouse, that its 'starting to get really good' while you downplay amallville anc constantly 'report' how its going to get cancelled... nevermind the fact that a show on the major network fox SHOULD put up much better ratings than a CW show with far less viewehiop.I'm surpised that in all this talk of some superhero replacement show for smallville, the pilot for Aquaman hasn't been brought up. I thoguht it was great, although i don't think i could see it sustain any interest... it was a real nice origin story, though.
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Yeah Herc, you found articles speculating smallville's cancellation... but you know what? I can, as can other talkbackers, find A HELL OF ALOT more articles that make it seem smallville will be coming back than articles that say Dollhouse will be coming back. Of course, I'm not countring your reports, as you're the only guy with a tv column that has been trying desperately and pathetically sell us on the show and make us believe it has a bright future... we're not dumb--we know dollhouse is done... you are a joke and your shameless bias has honestly become funny to me... not Media Messiah funny... the worst thing about Doilhouse's (inevitable)_ demise is that I don't know if i'll find myself in a Media Messiah talkback. I miss him. reports on the future of smallville have talked about how it may be close to getting cancelled, but alot of that was speculation based on its move to friday, which would implicate cancellations, but there has been plenty reports that make it sound the shows going back... i've read both but it looks to me that it makes more sense that they'll bring it back. the show has been pulling a Brett Favre: will the show go on/will the show be cancelled/its going to be cancelled/now it might be coming back... will favre retire this offseason (every year for the last five years/no now favre is retired/now he's got the itch to come back/he's going to the jets/favre retires again/now he's coming back for the vikings...
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...to go get beaten up by dudes every year right before sweeps.
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I really don't think Herc ever covered TV ratings to this extent before. He usually just posted if it was sweeps and the occasional ratings for stuff like the Super Bowl or the Oscars, but, never this detailed. Is it all just a ploy to point out the failure of the Jay Leno Show? Why this year's fall season to start doing this? SIDE NOTE: Chris Brown did not beat Rihanna. She got angry with him, took his car keys, then sat on them. He was trying to push her off them and in the process, ruffed her up by doing so. Oh that's right ...I started THIS conversation...
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What I meant, eeplox, is that doing stupid things like saying Dick Grayson is Batman (yeah, DC can do anything) causes a lot of harm to established characters. Do you think anyone will ever equate Grayson and Batman--no, Bruce Wayne will be and always is the Batman, no matter how much fun comic book writers have trying to change things. You just can't change symbols. Speaking of which, I wonder how many remember the time DC changed Dr. Fate into a woman--boy that really worked well--even Smallville keeps Fate a guy in the upcoming ep.
Point is: here we have a great show about Clark Kent which has held the mythos together believably well over 9 seasons, and Herc keeps bashing it. It deserves respect. At the very least, Herc should stop hiding behind ratings numbers and just explain why he doesn't like SV. Then we could have a real discussion. -
Just as a FYI, the current showrunners have been on the show since the beginning of season 8. Besides some shuffling of the various producers already on the show... they added Welling as a co-executive producer this season, and added Anne Cofell (BSG, Chuck) as a Producer. How good the latter is as a writer, we'll see with this week's Wonder Twins episode.
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The length of the show is now a measure of how good it is?
So According to Jim is more than twice as good as Arrested Development and four times as good as Fawlty Towers? After all, ATJ ran for a full 8 years before they pulled the plug.
And while we're at it, in the same fucking article where y'all complain about Herc hating the show because it's not Joss Whedon he admits that re-runs are out-pacing Dollhouse in the ratings.
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It's in the top ten downloaded shows and sells huge amounts on home video. Nobody carries a dead weight this long.
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that show hasnt been good in like ten years
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I'm sure there's a formula around here somewhere.
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Clark showed more Superman love, concern, heroics, guts, and grit towards a replicant of his dad than we have seen through the entire series. Great characterization, but I found a huge concern for his need to help is "kindadad" out. And for him not to know that Zod had planted Jor-El on the farm and not noticed the non-superpowered guy with his superpowered guy powers is STUPID. Do not get me wrong,10x better than seasons 3-7, but a very logically weak episode.
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seamusberen, you obviously had no idea Bruce Wayne had 'died' and Dick Grayson had become Batman and I'd wager you've never read a comic in your life. Hercules referring to DC Universe continuity doesn't harm established characters, that's just dumb and clearly that wasn't your original argument. So what happened here? You called Herc ignorant, were then informed that Batman is no longer Bruce Wayne, making you the ignorant one, and now in a desperate attempt to hold onto your standing in whatever imaginary world you frequent, you're claiming your original argument was something else entirely. Only problem is, the retcon you invented to replace the original argument is even dumber than the original. Herc is damaging established characters by letting the world know what's happening with them in the comics? Yeah... Try again.
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x-factor(x-factor usa is coming, you have been all warned) americas got talent) ndancing on ice/dancing with the stars. i could go on....
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I love the show, and hope it runs for another 2 or 3 seasons! I can't think of it not being on tv since it's been on so long.
I would love to see it get better ratings but people forget it moved to a new night! I for one can't catch the show due to work on fridays most times! I've only seen 2 shows this seasons on the friday it aired due to work! I am trying to get my schedule right so I can watch it on Fridays tho.
When a show moves nights, and stuff it takes a season for people to fully catch on, and or make the changes in thier lives.
Also remember that Friday nights is overal a weak tv night since most people like to GO OUT on friday nights... So whatever they will cancel Melrose Place, and 9021bore before they can Smallville.
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better if they just did some 2 hour miniseries each year.
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Thanks Herc.
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Yeah she's a nice POA, but her music is very overrated just like all the shit that passes off as music nowadays. and Chris Brown wins the Bitch N***a award of the year for beating (and biting) the shit out of her. One of my best friends had made some bs apologetic excuse for brown's behaviour, mentioning how "certain" Women can drive one to that extreme. like i said, bs.
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I think I've watched every episode I could of Smallville, some so bad that I had to take breaks and walk away (It's an addiction what can I say). And I've never been able to come to any other conclusion than smallville and good writing/acting are mutually exclusive. Something that seems to have gotten worse in later seasons as the show has shifted from Smallville to Metropolis and a move from monster of the week to gimick of the week.
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Why it tried so hard not to be Superman for so long was beyond me. I had friends that had NO idea it was a Superman show well into the sixth season. I remember many episodes the first four seasons when we went nuts with the slightest Superman reference because we only saw 4-5 a season beyond Kryptonite.
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They replaced Angel with Smallville/Supernatural over the course of two seasons, and Herc still can't get over that. I've seen every episode since season 1 and like some of you I didn't even know it was a Superman show until I watched the first episode and was like "Holy shit Smallville is a superman show, I thought it was something else". The show went from terribad to terrigood in the past two seasons and Herc still fails to recognize it. I am going to have to drive up to Austin, Kidnap herc and force him to watch all S8/S9 back to back.
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According to TVByTheNumbers, Smallville's initial overnight ratings achieved 2.76 million viewers. The CW has issued a release touting certain ratings wins:
Smallville WON the 8-9pm hour among adults 18-34 (1.3/4), men 18-34 (1.5/7) and men 18-49 (1.5/5-tie).
Smallville again climbed to a new season high in adults 18-34 (1.3/5), adults 18-49 (1.2/4), men 18-49 (1.5/5) and total viewers (2.76mil). This also marks our best performance here in these demos in over a year (Sept. 08).
Smallville was up vs last week by 8% in adults 18-34, 7% in men 18-34, 9% in adults 18-49, 15% in men 18-49, and 14% in total viewers.
Ratings up-ticks like these could make Season 10 more likely...
UPDATE: Here is the overnight-ratings breakdown. (Source: Mediaweek).
Rank Show Network Rating
in millions of viewers ()previous weeks
#1 Law & Order NBC 7.99 (7.00)
#2 Ghost Whisperer
CBS 7.93 (8.28)
#3 Supernanny ABC 4.75 (4.84)
#4 House (R) FOX 3.91 (3.40)
#5 Smallville The CW 2.76 (2.60)
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What is the picture when they add in the +3 days ad views-- I would think that especially with a Friday evening show hitting a young, affluent demographic that DVR veiwing would just about be at peak.
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And on a Friday night no less where shows are expected to quietly die. (Right, DOLLHOUSE?) If Tom Welling's jacked-up salary was that much of a factor, then why wasn't SMALLVILLE axed a few episodes in to this season instead being given the chance to build a Friday night audience, which apparently, it's starting to do?
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But when he caught that bullet, millimeters from Green Arrow's eye, and that look he gave?That was BADASS!
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yeah, clark catching that bullet and glaring at oliver was AWESOME... it was great that he seemed to let the bullet get as close to oliver as he could, and THEN grab the bullet inches from his face... you're right--clark really isn't badass, but that moment was WAY more badass than the bullet to the eyeball in superman returns.And i think we all know that the 'new' showrunners came last year, but i think we refer to them as 'new' because its all relative and a distinct turning point for the show...
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for the record, smallville hasn't become a perfect, top tier show... i think those of us who are thrilled with how the show turned around are just so happy to a)have a superman show that feels like superman and b)its consistently entertaining now.
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ASTEROID! Someone want to tell me that this network doesn't pander to the lowest common denominator??
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how far back would I have to go to catch up to most of the new plot lines without watching the bs episodes with Lana?
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I used to dislike this show but there can be no denying it has gotten its shit together, and it only took 8 years. Angel had its shit together by the close of season 1.
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thats what smallville is now all the quality the show had is draining its all about money for the cw theyre douchebags
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He's batman Lite. A temporary face under the cowl until the inevitable return of Bruce Wayne, once he comes back from the dead (along with a hell of a lot of other dead DC characters) at the end of Blackest Night. At least that's my big prediction as to how Blackest Night will wrap up anyway. Welcome back to the real Batman, along with Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Firestorm, The Question, Blue Beetle, and so on. Then the next event will focus on the fallout and repurcussions of all the reborn heroes. Of course I could be wrong...
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As in Dick Grayson, not Duck Grayson, and also as in my being one for being a dyslexic asshole.Oh, and Smallville has been a lot stronger this season.
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Nov 08, 2009 1:10:18 PM CST
iamnicksaicnsn, start with S8. I just did. It's pretty good.
by flickchick85
Last week some fans here convinced me that's where it started to get good again (I had dropped the show during S3 and never looked back 'till now), so I Netflixed the 1st discs of S8, and it actually is decent. Lana's gone, sadly so is Lex, but his replacement is pretty interesting, and it's definitely FINALLY morphing into a real Superman show (he's in Metropolis working at the Planet with Lois and Jimmy, the people of Metropolis know they have a savior among them, etc.) and they've all but ditched the whole "meteor freak" of the week BS that got old before the end of S1 in favor of a "season-long" villain ala Buffy (in S8's case, it's Doomsday - minus the infamous ending, I assume - and in S9 it's Zod), with minor villains of various (aka, often NOT meteor rock-related) origins thrown in for flavor.The acting and cinematography is also much-improved. Lois joined the show sometime after I stopped watching so I'm new to her as well, but she's about 10x more watchable and less grating than Lana was, and they've got Sam Witwer from BSG and Dexter playing Doomsday. He and the woman who's replaced Lex are quite good, too.Now, don't get me wrong, it's not even close to being as good as BSG or Lost, but it's decent sci-fi entertainment, and it's sure as hell better than that shitpile called "Heroes," and I'd say definitely worth a look. What's particularly impressive to me is how much better it now considering it's in its NINTH season, too.
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Don't you mean "Batman when he was a 30-year-old pretending to be fifteen?" That's how they usually do things on the CW.
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Nov 08, 2009 1:57:05 PM CST
"Duhhhh, why would they cancel a show when ratings are going up?
by thusspakespymunk
OK - let's do the math.
Ratings drop from 6.x to 1.x ...
Then they go up to, let's pretend, 2.x
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Nov 08, 2009 2:39:56 PM CST
If this is so concerend about ratings, why not box office>
by lockesbrokenleg
Most of the movies this site praises never makes any money.
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always knew it was better than the others. Even after Orbach passed.
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When Herc referenced "The Graysons", he mentioned that Dick was Batman. Nope. That almost series was pitched as a young Dick Grayson growing up to be Robin. The stuff that's happening in the DC'verse now happened after this almost show faded away. It's a minor point to the bigger one: namely, why is this site so slanted against SV? Can't figure it out.
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Nov 08, 2009 3:45:03 PM CST
And again, every thread gets turned into a Batman love fest
by lockesbrokenleg
fuck this.
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That's a damn good show. Why no news on it? Damages, The Shield and other FX shows got some press...why not SOA? It deserves it.
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What the hell happened to him? He's become the Chuck Cunningham of Smallville. Hasn't been seen since the middle of last season. He joins the Metropolis police force to keep a close eye on Clark for Jor El, then disappears completely after he gets his ass shot.
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Or is he just a wee little boil that lives up inside Whedons ass and constantly tries to fellate him from the inside out? We get it Herc,you hate Smallville...even though most of the people watching TV on Friday nights obviously dont.
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Everyone loves Batman and everyone knows the origin so you don't need to do a lame origin story.
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JettL93 will be on the TBs claiming "I wrote all of Shakespeare's work when I travelled back in time to 17th Century England and found the fucker passed out from drinking too much grog. Iambic pentameter sure is a bitch, but someone had to do it to keep history on the right track!" By the way Herc, whatever happened to that Starman series Millar and Gough tried to pitch? Always thought that was one comic that actually would make a pretty good TV series. Did the godawful Birds of Prey kill any chance of that one ever happening or what?
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is scheduled to appear again in the second half of Smallville's "Justice Society" two-parter in January, I believe...adding him into the mix only makes things more exciting -- particularly for this upcoming story. I miss that guy, too, as I really like the actor's take on him. I guess we should assume he's busy covering Kal-El's ass during all of his multiple "saves" in the city... ;-) Also, Zatanna's coming back in the new year (same actress).
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Is Bart going to show up on SMALLVILLE any time soon?
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Use limewire or whatever downloading program you use, and download "Kay Parker taboo aunt nephew". It's classic 70's porn with a twist. Kay Parker and her slutty friend are sneaking into her 18 year old nephew's house for some reason, and the dude is passed out in a beanbag chair with a boner sticking out of his pants. So Kay Parker's friend says she will slick his dick up a bit in order to slide it into his pants by sucking on his cock for a bit. Then she takes off her clothes and fucks him after he wakes up. Then Kay Parker, playing his Aunt, has her turn. It's wacky wild stuff.
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Brian's fucking some old chick, and Stewie fantasizes about Shia Lebeuf in his sleep. It's weird wild stuff.
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You're one weird shit.
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I need to warn you, Chakraborty, because you might be banned--Herc saw that old porno, didn't like it, spent years telling everyone who'd listen that after every successive movie Kay Parker continued to make, he kept reporting on speculation that she was getting too old, and that each porno would be her last, because he heard rumblings around the porn industry that she was no longer attractive enough to warrant continued videos--HOWEVER, while kay parker porn movies weren't selling like they used to, kay parker still has a respectable fanbase who keeps buying her movies out of loyalty to the pornstar and thus, the movies still make respectible profits. However, recently Joss Whedon let it be known that he has decided to spread his wings and venture into the porn world where he will ressurect Kay Parker's career against all odds. And, here's the kicker: Herc has ALREADY included a link to pre-order it on amazon in one of his DVD promo talkbacks.True story.
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Nov 08, 2009 10:23:55 PM CST
BATMAN MAKES SUPERMAN LOOK LIKE CINDERELLA!!
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
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...you cock-eyed retarded Asberger's syndrome bitch. (I said bitch instead of cunt to avoid being banned).
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Lockes is a lonely young man with few to no friends, most likely suffering from Asberger's Syndrome. He has a wounded spirit (like a broken leg) resulting either from years of bullying, childhood abuse, family trauma, or a combination of the three. He is angry at the world, yet he wants nothing more than to be a part of the group, but his attempts are feeble at best because he knows from experience that no matter how hard he tries, he will be rejected. His family life is dysfunctional, yet he hopes that despite this, he might be able to achieve something and eventually have peace and resolve within his family....much like the skywalker family. He hopes one day his broken spirit may be healed like a pair of broken wings so that he may let his spirit soar...instead of wallowing in depression and self-loathing.
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...but no comment. I'm on thin ice as it is.
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He reviewed the first episode of the first season, trashed it, and hasn't looked back. He has no taste.
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Of COURSE SMALLVILLE's ratings have gone down from their Thursday levels, but if you can take your eyes off of your own asshole long enough to look, the lower Friday levels have steadily climbed from a 0.9 to a 1.2 since the season premiere. Not a huge jump, I admit, but the show is obviously keeping its audience and building its way back up. If the CW was going to cancel the show, they should've done it on week 3 when the ratings were worse than they are now.
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...Smallville, Reaper and Supernatural.
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Nov 09, 2009 9:29:27 AM CST
lock67ca - coincidentally, Chuck Cunningham WAS in Smallville.
by cletus van damme
He also played High school reunion asshole "Brad" in Superman III.
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Is that he claims to be involved, in EVERYTHING, every major Hollywood project. Which is impossible, sorry don't buy it. If someone who is that connected is actually real, why are they here giving us "exclusives" and how come we never hear about these things in mainstream media, EVER?
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Insightful analysis on lockes, but let's simplify it...he is a fucking tool LOL
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You're overlooking his approval of the second season premiere.
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Chakraborty said: "Lockes is a lonely young man with few to no friends"The smart money on that statement being true is on the guy who comes into a talkback and asks if we've seen a porn you just stumbled upon... lonely young men think that stuff is awesomen and pathetic young men think a porn like that is something we all want to hear about.
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Amen.
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You don't want to see Kay Parker get fucked by an 18 year old dude pretending to be her nephew? What's wrong with you? This was the young-ish Kay in her 30's, not the grisled older Kay, and right before he fucks her she pulls down her dress and says, "Oh well, might as well keep it in the family." Then the dude is on top of her with her ankles over her shoulders. You're missin' out, dude. I've seen all the TV you watch. This is Must-See.
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Friday's episode "Kandor" was really strong. I can't believe this is the same show that made me want to strangle kittens a few years ago. What a HUGE improvement. I love the new mythology of Krypton and how it fits perfectly within established lore. I'm so very pleased with the writing and even Welling is growing on me.
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And camels. Blood elatives and camels makes his one inch become one and a quarter inch.
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i agree, welling is growing on me. i attribute that to what the show has done more of in the past 1.5 seasons than ALL 7 seasons before it: CLARK IS GROWING INTO SUPERMAN! Who would have thought that would make the show more appealing? not the old showrunners, obviously. I mean, how can you really let welling and the character he plays win you over when the character had all this potential yet the old showrunners insist on dragging out the lana romance for seven fuckin years... if there is plot development with momentum, good writings, FANTASTIC use of mining the comic books for story arcxs, focus on lois, turn cloe into a character who matters by working her in as basically this show's oracle, giving her the watchtower, capturing the entire essence of green arrow, using the 's' symbol, using kandor in a similar way as the comicxs are now--i could go on and on--what's mind blowing is that all these things HAVE BEEN DONE IN 1.5 SEASONS! And it doesn't even fill too jam packed with all these plot points... the pacing of the seasons really makes it work. When you add all those elements to the show, its pretty easy to see why an actor we all thought was dull turn into a compelling and legitimate incarnation of superman... OF COURSE welling will grow on us directly because they GASP let the CHARACTER GROW!
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you're an idiot. you come to a talkback about mainly smallville, and for some reason assume that we all want to know about a porno you found??? and then you insult people for not thinking this porno is as awesome and funny as you think it is? fuckin shit man, you're a loser. nobody cares about that old porno but you... the fact that you assume we all find an old porno as compelling as you think it is says way more about you than you could ever say in an insult about me. you're a douche, lame, and with posts like yours, you have no business trying to slam others. loser.
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Talkbackers really need to get off the nuts of these shows. It's more than a little annoying to hear constant prattling about how good shows with awful writing (Heroes/Fringes) or shows that no one is watching (Supernatural/Smallville) are. I enjoy Dollhouse, but you don't see me talking about it, even when Herc overemphasizes it.
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Yeah, I agree- they've finally given Welling something to work with and it's changing his approach to the character as well. And as far as jamming it full of plot, I like that in contrast to what FRINGE, LOST, HEROES and so many other shows are doing nowadays- stretching out story arcs to fill a whole season that could be otherwise resolved in short spurts over 4 episodes or less. And I never thought I'd say this, but Welling is making the case for his becoming the film star for any future SUPERMAN movies. I'm not 100% sold on him yet, but I'm definitely not hating the guy anymore.
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Wow, man...I don't know where to start, but you could start by taking the stick out of your ass. I was just kidding around. If you were really bothered by my comment about porn, you could have simply not responded, but instead you typed out that weird paragraph about Kay Parker, Herc, and Joss Whedon. It's was incredibly lame and geeky, which is partly why I had "no comment". But you also seem to have taken umbrage with my psychoanalysis of lockesbrokenleg, since I never actually insulted you. I was responding to insults. In particular you quoted where I said he is a lonely guy with few to no friends. Come to think of it, there are probably a lot of people at this site who would take issue with that psychoanalysis because it hits too close to home. But considering how seriously you take all these TV shows and how you're on these articles obsessing about these shows everyday, I can see my analysis of lockes has affected you personally. I'll leave you be with your TV talkbacks and your shows.
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I like Fringe a lot inspite of some terrible plot holes and welll basically the involvement of Akiva Goldsman.
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When will someone cancel this corny ass show already???????????? I'm sick of Chloe's one liners. Someone shoot her please
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jayemel, i'm sick of people like you who, for some reason, feel the need to complain about people discussing shows in talkbacks related to these shows. if you're sick of conversation about those shows that many of us are clearly enjoying, either don't come to the talkbacks about them or don't respond to them... you're saying that you don't like those shows, but like dollhouse so for some reason, because you don't talk about a show you like, we all must follow suit? these are called fucking TALKbacks. Its what these damn message boards are for! you're a tool.
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you're another kind of tool as well. please, explain this to me: HOW does canceling a show benefit you in any way, shape or form? its not even like its taking up a primetime slot on the big networks... three different types of talkback losers today... good showing you douchebags.
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"I'll leave you be with your TV talkbacks and your shows."And I'll leave you be with your lube and pornos.
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...what the HELL was up with that?
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That's why Durance wasn't around. Or maybe she's up to something...
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All these teen shows make people think they're cool.
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I'm with you there, also would like to see a return of STILETTO!
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Give that man a cigar. Chuck Cunningham WAS in Smallville!
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HOW did SR do damage to the Superman franchise? It did better than Batman Begins.
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aintitcool.com/node/42273
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like after seasn 2 when clark rode off on a motorcycle with that red kryptonite story line. The teen drama they added to it was unbearable to me. and a for the people complaining about hercs commentary, if you don't argee with it piss off. no ones keeping you here and i promise you your presence will be missed by no one. you are a plauge on this website, whose only purpose is to build yourselves up by taking others down. By why would you leave? you get to much adistic pleasure from the power of anonymity
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From the CW press release on the final ratings of last week's episode of Smallville:
"Smallville climbed to a new season high in adults 18-49 (1.2/4) and total viewers (2.63mil). This also marks our best performance here in these demos in over a year (Sept. 08). Smallville matched its season highs in adults 18-34 (1.2/5) and men 18-49 (1.4/5).
Smallville ranked #1 in the 8-9pm time period among adults 18-34 (1.2/5-tie), men 18-34 (1.4/6), men 18-49 (1.4/5-tie), persons 12-34 (1.1/4) and males 12-34 (1.2/5)."
So, slowly but surely, SV is building its Friday audience. Once again, it is unfair to compare it to its Thursday numbers since all shows are doing poorly on Friday. For the CW, Smallville is a rock solid performer with great DVR numbers and very strong DVD sales.
Again, Herc, please, why the death wish for this show? Of course, you are entitled to your opinion--it's your site after all, but surely this show deserves another look particularly because of the past two seasons. Give it a chance. And to those who haven't seen it lately, check it out. -
NOW THATS COOLNEWS FOXY BROWN HAS BEEN CAST AS AMANDA FREAKING WALLER!!
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Nov 09, 2009 8:24:44 PM CST
Presenting Herc's things-Herc-dislikes hatefest of the day!
by immortal_fish
I see what you're doing here. Clearly, it amuses you and generates traffic (read: revenue) for the site. All fine and dandy, of course (never mind that eeeBUL influence of capitalism, of course).Here's the thing -- You come off like some fanboy pointing to box office returns as some measurement of quality. Or lack thereof.Case in point -- Journeyman would have been on your hitlist a few years back. Meanwhile, Journeyman was one of the best shows I've watched in the last decade. And I am not alone on this.Popularity is not a measurement of quality. And I am not alone on that either. Popularity is only a measurement of longevity, which isn't always a good thing. Longevity is what gave birth to the phrase, "Jump the Shark."Leno has a lot of problems, yet immortality isn't one of them. He is going to die a very rich man, unlike you. You are a bitter little person, Herc. These threads succeed in little other than making me like you less. And we've long since begun to split the atom on that one.
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Word of mouth re SR poisoned the franchise. Batman Begins' word of mouth reinvigorated the Bat franchise. Surely BB has eclipsed SR on sell through.
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those were the preliminary (and not as accurate) overnights. they were corrected in the finals. my figures are the correct ones.
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion,but Smallville has outlasted a lot of other so- called "good" shows, such as buffy or angel. Thos shows were actually 10 times cheesier than smallville ever was, and people think they rocked. Smallville always finds a way to survive. It rocks, get over it.
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for the feedback, but I believe the stats I quoted are the latest--CW updated their release. Either way, Smallville is up in the ratings and that's a good thing for sci-fi fans everywhere. From everything I've been hearing, Season 10 seems eminently possible and even if not, Smallville will go out on a high of excellence. Pretty good for a venerable show.
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Will always be my hero for the response he gave to someone that said Supernatural was for 13 y/o girls...and he likes my mlb man crush the hebrew hammer.
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I remember tb's for Journeyman and an interview with the creator being posted. So no, no case in point.
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Have no idea how you square your reply against my initial post.Yeah, AICN once posted some stories on the show. So what? Was Herc the one that posted them? And he did, so what? Wouldn't the show have been on Herc's hitlist anyhow?Here's how your logic works: Tomatoes ripen in the sun. Herc eats food. Therefore, we must all learn Japanese.Speaking of Herc... "I don't watch Smallville anymore but I derive no pleasure from having a show taken from those who enjoy it."Yeah, unless the show's name starts with, ends with, contains the name "Leno," or competed in any way with David Letterman at any time.I've never watched Leno. Despite that, I know my personal situation will not be improved once his show is removed from the air. It takes a certain kind of someone to bridle that much hate. Find a hobby.
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Yay Spongebob!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJg1Fnfk5hg
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So the enemy of this one is time? And they really madea mistake with those communication stones. Was that the only way they can include Lou Diamond Phillips because he was a late add-on after the pilot was finished? This is probably almost at the same level as bad sci-fi as ABC's Defying Gravity over the summer. There's a reason why it's called sci-fi. Watching people struggling to survive and just adding a space sjip into the mix isn't sci-fi. What are they trying to do? Make LOST on a space ship instead of on an island?
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Uncle_Imshi, John Noble is the main reason I trudged through S1 of Fringe. His performance is about the only subtle thing on the show. However, I just found myself not caring anymore after watching the S2 premiere. Ryanbraun14, maybe I wouldn't complain if posters like you actually talked rather than jerking each other of in written form until they nerdgasmed. Repeating how awesome shows that no one watches are isn't a conversation. It's a self esteem booster so you can convince yourself that you have taste. You're like hipsters in music. Ever consider that you and your compatriots aren't my audience? I make statements so posters like Uncle_Imshi can respond intelligently. GGNT.
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It's managed to be both what BSG should have been (serious, character-based, but with the occasional sense of wonder and humor and some likable characters so that the crew doesn't come across as all a-holes) and what Voyager should have been (not all happy-go-lucky-status-quo-nothing-wears-down). The last episode or two were a little mixed, but the debut 3-parter (especially the first and third parts) was solid and the Darkness/Light two-parter was outright spectacular which displayed some excellent character moments (Greer's reflection on death-via-star at the opening to Light was crazy good) as well as true wonder and beauty (the gas giant slingshot and corona sequence). What's also impressed me is that, beyond the shooting style (which is obviously inspired by BSG), it has still managed to feel like Stargate and do fun problem-solving sci-fi plots that an outright BSG clone could never do. It's not the same tone as SG1 or SGA, but similar and familiar enoguh to feel like the show is in the same fictional universe.
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A mild form of autism. If he doesn't get to watch his shows, he starts banging his head and screaming, LOL.
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yellow talking sponge. yikes. you think the networsk are trying to tell leno something?
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what character is that.
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At least it isn't Wanda fucking Sykes again. Jesus...
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awesome yo, hope all eps. here on out are in HD, the new title sec/ was the bomb! :)
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and she was the fat Black lady in all the justice leauge episodes and superman/batman/ public enemies and shes the one who we found out was the creator of batman beyond, but pam grier is Hot and def not fat!lol
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Every episode blends together, for me, into one big boring mess. But they can't keep going on like this (can they?), they'll eventually have to introduce some aspect of this galaxy to us. Right? Damn, I hope so. A show should focus on it's characters, but you also need a little bit of story to go along with it.
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Is Spongebob really beating Jay in the ratings? My understanding is that cable and broadcast ratings are two different things and that cable rating means about half as many people as a broadcast one? I'm not a huge fan of Leno but if the ratings don't mean the same, it's dishonest to pretend that more people are watching SB then Leno.
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jayemal said:" maybe I wouldn't complain if posters like you actually talked rather than jerking each other of in written form until they nerdgasmed. Repeating how awesome shows that no one watches are isn't a conversation. It's a self esteem booster so you can convince yourself that you have taste.:You're really an idiot, aren't you? Grasp the fucking concept of the talkback--TO TALK ABOUT SHOWS. We talk about why its better and what about it is cool this season. YOU ARE THE DOCUHEBAG
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YOU ARE THE DOUCHEBAG who comes here... you like dollhouse, but think you're somehow a better talkbacker because you don't discuss it???? And who the fuck cares if talkbackers are having conversation about a show YOU don't think the writing is good or YOU don't watch. Who fucking cares if 'nobody is watching' that's not the issue... its a matter of coming to AICN and talking about the shows we like. YOu're such a fucking tool and havec NO RIGHT thinking you're better than anyoned because you don't understand the concept that talkbackers like to talk on talkbacks about the shows they like.
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jayemal said: " It's more than a little annoying to hear constant prattling about how good shows with awful writing (Heroes/Fringes) or shows that no one is watching (Supernatural/Smallville) are. "So explain to me, what is annoying about that? what would you rather have in this talkback? how does what you said make any bit of difference to you? LOSER.
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You know you want one!
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The Lucian Alliance is going to be involved at the end of the season, so they'll likely be working in why Icarus Base was attacked and how that all relates. Plus we have the mysterious "bug pod" that took off from Destiny at the end of "Air part 3". Then there's also Rush's plans and Eli's analysis of the data that could get them home and how those are linked. So there's definitely some seeds already planted for the story arc of the series/season, they just need to focus on the immediate survival needs in these first few episodes.
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to replace Smallratings.
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Are you kidding?
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It was all down hill after that. Everything after season one was just painful to watch.
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Bring in Terry Hatcher to reprise her role as Lois. Ditch Dean Cain. Instead, get Brandon Routh to be Superman. So, you have the "Cougar" angle going on there. And then get Joss Whedon to write and produce.
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Maybe it's time to start again. It's not the same show it was 3 years ago, let alone 5. It's gone from a show I would watch mainly out of habit (sometimes with a hint of reluctance) to one that I now look forward to each week. The episodes this season seem much better paced than they've been in previous seasons.
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I always thought a Lois and Clark reunion based on Alan Moore's story "Whatever Happened to the Man of Steel?" would be really cool. And Terry Hatcher might be popular enough to get it sold.
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Even though he said he go away if we wanted him to, I bet he will stop posting for a few days, then try to come back like he wasn't debunked, just like he has done before.
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There are some seeds, but that's not enough these days. Unless you can produce a compelling premiere (and let's face it, the premiere was pretty awful), then you will never be able to lock in the fanboys and the best you can hope for is that later word of mouth will lead to DVD sales. Seriously, TV execs need to learn not to release a show until they have a premiere capable of grabbing people. Even if it means going back to the drawing board for a year. Marketing simply won't put the shine on a turd.
It's long been observed that Hollywood is running out of creative talent, but what's less noticed is that Hollywood execs also seem to lack any kind of business acumen. They just give each other jobs they don't deserve, when any bum off the street can manage those positions more effectively. Hell, you can say that about CEOs and politicians too. The best are at the bottom while the worst are at the top. -
Leno is another fossil that refuses top step aside and die gracefully.
And everyone knows Spongebob sucks now and has since season 3. It's so lame now I can't even get stoned to it. -
I thought the premiere was pretty grabbing when taken as a whole with all 3 parts. The first part was great since it had the action, but the second part kinda ground to a halt. The third one was excellent, though, I thought. I had initially thought it was a mistake to not air all three parts of Air together as a series launch, since only watching 1 & 2 would seem to give one a so-so reaction, but I was apparently proven wrong since part 3's ratings the next week actually increased over the premiere, so it apparently grabbed a lot of people.
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Erica Durance is only contracted for 18 eps, so that's why Lois wasn't in this one.
Tom Welling seems to be having a lot more fun in the role now that they let Clark grow up and move on from the Lana obsession. We all hate ruts in our jobs, so I'm sure it was the same for him. -
if you don't hate Smallville Herc you certainly appear to... the show is much better this season... by any measure, 9 seasons is pretty remarkable for a WB CW product.
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the series has really built momentum this season. i like the fact that the only remnant of the teen angst era, Chloe, has been relegated to the "Oracle" role
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via Superherohype.com
Entertainment Weekly is reporting that The CW has decided to turn "Smallville's" upcoming Justice Society-themed two-parter into a two hour movie event airing on January 29.
Written by Geoff Johns, the episodes - titled "Society" and "Legends" and featuring such DC Comics stalwarts as Stargirl, Hawkman, and Dr. Fate - were originally designed to air separately.
Scooper 'CW Insider' also tells us that The CW gave the two-parter a huge budget upgrade -
Especially when this season has largely focused on Green Arrow and Lois's love life. This is their second pass at a Zod storyline, and Clark's idea of a costume is a mix of Batman and Neo. I'm mostly disappointed in Clark's abandonement of humanity as it applies to him. He needs to be less afraid of his alien side, yes, but I just think it's such a slap in the face to Mr and Mrs Kent and Chloe (The humans who spent their lives helping him) for him to turn his back on his human side. He's also kind of a psycho this season, which I suppose is more exciting than Clark usually is, but I find it disconcerting more than anything.
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