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DK Mode says KICK ASS is the most entertaining comic-book movie he has ever seen!

Published at: Nov. 6, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here with a reader review from tonight's Arclight Test Screening of KICKASS in LaLaLand. And it seems like our reader friend in London - the film has similarly kicked another of your asses. Time is going to stretch till we see this. At least it already feels that way to me.
Hi Harry, I just got back from the Arclight Screening of "Kick-Ass." I'll make this pretty quick. I've seen a lot of screenings, but I've never felt compelled to write in with any reviews. Until now. This is by far the best comic book movie I have ever seen. Or maybe it's just the most entertaining comic-book movie I have ever seen. It feels like a mixture of Batman Begins (it's an origin story about a powerless hero in a realistic, super-hero free world), Superbad (a coming-of-age teen angst tale with hilarious nerd banter- and the McLovin guy), and The Professional (there's an off-beat, obsessive master-assassin teaching a foul-mouthed, smart-ass young girl how to "hit"). And maybe a little bit Zombieland (with the dry, irreverent voice-over narrative from the film's socially-awkward hero). And maybe let's throw in a bit of the ol' Snatch or Layer Cake (with all the snappy lines and over-the-top antics from the tough-guys). I know that sounds like a narrative and tonal mess, but it really all comes together in perfect harmony. People will surely argue that Spiderman 2 and Dark Knight are the greatest comic-book movies ever, but I don't think anyone can argue that those are harmonious and flawless works. There were definitely elements that could be pointed out in those films that detracted from the work (i.e., Tobey Maguire's consistently blood shot eyes and 15 minute conversations about responsibility in SM2, Christian Bale's voice and Two-Face's truncated, 3rd act subplot in TDK). But I couldn't find any flaws in "Kickass." It was nearly a perfect script, filled with at least 8 to maybe 11 "oh shit" moments and lines that made people clap and freak out. Not only was it filled with amazing action sequences reminiscent of the gun play in The Professional or the fight work in the last two Batman films (hold the fast editing), it was simultaneously heartfelt and funny in the manner that Judd Apatow tries to make his films (but without the pretentiously long tangents and bland filler that have made his last 3 films half-good, half-lame). I'll just sum it up. The action and stunt-work is cleverly orchestrated and visceral. There's never a dull moment. Stuff blows up real good. An 11 year old girl says bad words and shoots/stabs people (in a non-exploitative way). Nicolas Cage is actually a talented, engaging actor here (or at least his quirky and hyper acting style works perfectly within the context of this film). The dialogue is funny and genuine. And I know it was just temp music, but I pray that the producers decide to keep Morricone's Ecstasy of Gold in the final shoot out. In the end, you really care about these characters and you want them to succeed. I never cared if Rachel Dawes got blown up in TDK, or if Kirsten Dunst fell to her death in any of her falling-to-her-death scenes in Spiderman (that would have been gratifying, actually). But this comic-book film is different. It felt like a real world with real people and real consequences (but with funnier people and Jon Woo style action). It makes you care, and then kicks your ass. See what I di- Nevermind. Just go see it. If you use this, call me "If you use this". If somebody has used that to be clever in the past, then call me DK MODE.

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  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Yes!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Sounds great!!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    PS: The Rocketeer Is The Best Comic Book Movie...

    by Media Messiah

    ...of all time, but I hope that Kick Ass, tops it.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Even better than Dark Knight?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    This film will flop.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    How is this a "realistic super-hero free world"

    by D.Vader

    If there's a fucking 10 year old girl assassin? <p> This makes NO FUCKING SENSE. <p> And this is why, ultimately, I have very little desire to see this film. The initial idea of a kid trying to be a hero, dressing up in spandex, and getting the shit kicked out of him was a GREAT idea. <p> Throwing in super-villains and super-assassin girls is just fucking stupid in my opinion.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:16 a.m. CST

    I llike how it's a mixture of all the worst plots

    by lockesbrokenleg

    you've ever seen in a movie, and somehow it's "better" than Spider Man 2.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    PLANT!!!

    by pantera777

    Just needed to be said. All in all, I like the comic, I hope the movie is as good.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    The Best Comic Book Movie...

    by MorganLeafy

    certainly not Spiderman 2 or The Dark Knight. Especially Spiderman 2 was boring as hell. I'll take the original Batman (Burton's) or Superman every day of the week. I'm not saying this to piss everybody off, that's just my opinion. At least superhero movies were still 'fresh' in those times.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    LET ME BE THE FIRST TO SAY

    by TheGabrielGray

    I WOULD NAIL THAT PIG TAILED GIRL IN KICK ASS, NAIL HER TO THE FUCKING WALL. RIGHT HARRY ? YOU FAT FUCK!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    TDK Sucked!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Batman Begins was better and that was lacking, but at least it had proper story structure but Bale's stoic and often sterile performance left the film cold. That said, although it was cold, it was at least more warm, emotionally speaking, than TDK at every turn.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    It was really good

    by Spaz Medicine

    but not perfect.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Clearly, the best Super-Hero Movie by far was

    by xevoid

    the CLASSIC 1980 film Super Fuzz. This is the one about the Miami cop who gets exposed to nuclear radiation and gets super powers when he chews bubble gum.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST

    This guy is just a little too excited about the silly elements

    by IndustryKiller!

    I mean exclaiming that a little girl is swearing does not make me wanna trust a reviewer. Because that sounds more like a cheap novelty to me than a key entertaining element of a film. Im not even saying its done badly in a movie just that the fact that this guy chose that as something to tout seems kinda douchey, and he does that with several different things.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Leafy.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    hey, how exciting!

    by frankenfickle

    i finally get to see a gabrielgray post before it's deleted! a little disappointing, though.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Really, the plants need to be less obvious.

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Anyone who thinks Begins was better than TDK

    by IndustryKiller!

    Should have to register themselves on some sort of federal sex offender like list and parents should keep their children away from them. Begins is damn close to a bad film and Dark Knight is probably a masterpiece (Third act problems not withstanding) and no one has ever, EVER, made a compelling argument otherwise.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    wow my first post is incomprehensible

    by IndustryKiller!

    SOrry, literally just woke up, you get what I was saying.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Not necessarily the "best"...

    by veebeeyes

    but one of my favorites is The Crow. Minus the sappy "I love you" parts, and the forced comic relief from Ernie Hudson. Also, if you're showing me a violent R-rated movie where the hero brutally murders people, do not ever force an anti-smoking message into the movie and expect me to take it seriously. Ernie Hudson gets shot up and is lying on the floor dying. Then he throws his last cigarette on the floor and says "ugh! If I survive this, I'm quitting smoking." Fuck whoever came up with that shit. Fuck them to hell. Anyway, I liked The Crow. Superman was also good. The Rocketeer wasn't as good, but sort of had the same sort of golden age innocence and purity that seems to be so lacking in today's superhero movies. And while it had its problems, i think that Iron Man was one of the better ones. Not much substance there, but it was just 100% fun.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins started out okay.

    by veebeeyes

    The origin part was mostly pretty good. Third act sucked, though.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Xeviod - Superfuzz correction (and) Superman the movie

    by Professor_Monster

    is wayyyyyy better than fucking Spiderman 2. Superfuzz didn't get his powers from chewing gum - he lost ehm when he saw the color red and blew a giant bubble to save Ernest Borgnine at the end. I love that movie - Super Super open the door.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    I enjoy the comic book...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    And I really look forward to its final issue (#8). I am definitely looking forward to the movie, since it looks to be a spot-on translation of the comic.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Darkman is the best comic book movie ever

    by thinboyslim.

    thought i'd just throw that in there, good to see some love for the UK reviewers

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins was over-long, tedious, ponderous...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    It's like they were way over-compensating for the cheese of the last two Bat movies. What made Batman Begins worthwhile were all the actors (except Katie Holmes), and the Tumbler.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Nah, Batman Begins was just a Christopher Nolan movie.

    by veebeeyes

    Before that, wasn't his most recent movie Insomnia? If so, that one was also sort of tedious, over-long, and ponderous (though I still sort of liked much of it). I didn't think anyone was overcompensating. But at that point, Insomnia was really my only real exposure to Christopher Nolan. And having seen that movie, Batman Begins turned out a lot like I expected.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:01 a.m. CST

    THE LEAKED COMIC CON TEASER TRAILER

    by TheGabrielGray

    IS VERY GOOD. <p> cue much talk of big black cocks as bat signals. and much blood running down walls.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Yeah Insomnia would have vastly been improved by...

    by Righteous Brother

    car chases, a slow-mo shoot-out, flashy MTV style editing, a wise-cracking partner and a huge explosion at the end.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    The origin in Begins is HORRIBLE

    by IndustryKiller!

    I'm supposed to believe that a guy with seemingly average intelligence spends about what looks to be a month or two of ninja training in about three different stages of combat, one of which is a lecture on theatrics and another a boring one on one sword fight fight on an ice lake (why an ice lake? Theatrics!) and he ends up becoming the greatest human mind and fighter in the entire history of comic books? Please. That origin had NOTHING to do with Batman and everything to do with an overcompensation of trying to prove they arent Joel Schumacher. Its a total joke as a Batman origin and never comes close to capturing the obsessed tortured mind of Bruce Wayne who threw his entire young life away in an android like state cultivating himself to become the perfect crimefighter. THAT'S Batman.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    I actually thought the action scenes in Begins were mediocre.

    by veebeeyes

    For me, the most interesting stuff was the slower character-driven stuff. Which really wasn't great, but I thought that Begins really sort of fell apart near the end when it sort of deteriorated into a mediocre superhero action movie. Dark Knight was similar in that the action scenes sort of sucked, but there was really significant improvement in all aspects in that movie. Dark Knight was more thoroughly enjoyable all the way through. But again, I thought that the action scenes were mostly the weakest parts.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Okay.

    by veebeeyes

    Even if the origin sucked, that's STILL the best part of that movie. The third act was ridiculous, and Batman was boring.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Moreover, witha n opportunity to explore Batmans origin

    by IndustryKiller!

    They never even attempt to color how some part of Bruce Wayne completely snapped the moment he saw his parents die. Some part of him ceased to grow emotionally, and that calcified into Batman. He's never really dealt with anything resembling a human life since. They pissed that away on a horrible love story. Bruce in Begins just seems pissy, and the Batman thing is more of a whim, a calling he stumbled into, rather than the natural and inevitable extension of a boy whose life as most of us know it ended right there in that dark alley way. Like I said, terrible.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Industry Killer - it's called compressed time

    by JuanSanchez

    We don't see the entirety of his training. Still wasn't great - I hate the whole League of Shadows thing. Origin in Phantasm was great.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    In all fairness...

    by veebeeyes

    I don't recall this being given much weight in any of the other Batman movies either.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    ONCE AGAIN, JANE GOLDMAN = GODDESS!!!FACT!!!

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    There's not much else to say after that.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins....

    by Righteous Brother

    So in Batman begins they're supposed to show every single moment he spent training to fight? Bruce Wayner had obvioously spent a ton of time in martial arts training BEFORE he meets up with Ducard. 1. He takes on all those prisoners in the prison camp. 2. Only someone who's double hard could have reached Ras Al Ghuls' base, and picked that weird blue flower thing. 3. He shows he can fight, Ducard (tiger style, Ju-Jitsu) The training sequence is a MONTAGE - it doesn't purport to show every single thing he did whilst training there. And so what if he's shown fighting on a frozen lake, it just means he's training in hostile conditions, what would you have preferred, running machines and multi gyms - a little sauna afterwards?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    11 YEAR OLD GIRL SWEARS AND MURDERS IN "NON-EXPLOITIVE WAY"!?!

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    Where's the fun in that?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    11 year old girl who only speaks with profanities and kills people. The decline of Western society continues...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    I understand that Juan

    by IndustryKiller!

    But watch that sequence againa nd tell me if it honestly seems like he's there for more than a month. I know he's SUPPOSED to be, but they do such a piss poor job with it that it just seems like he's a really quick learner or is going through some kind of "Luke from Empire" abbreviated training. And veebeeyes you're right, Batmans origin has never been done well on screen. Part of the problem is that it's much wiser to explore the emotional side of the origin, what drove Wayne to basically martyr himself to this cause, than the actual. because no one wants to see a movie of Bruce Wayne training in a Japanese dojo for years and devouring books on criminology and technology. It's better to just infer all of that than show it literally unless you really plan on making JUST an origin film, which will never happen. They did it very well in Iron Man, you dont need to see Tony Stark going to college or coding missile defense systems to know he's a genius, you are told early on and see it in his actions through the film.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST

    "non-exploitive" = what the lawyers told him to say

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Industry Killer - got the impression he was gone for years

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    FRITZ THE CAT = BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER!!!FACT!!!

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    If you think otherwise then YOU HAVE THE GAY CONDITION!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Fritz the Cat raped my grandmother

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    12 American and 5 British soldiers being murdered by traitors in their midst has left me feeling rather sober this week...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    What would I have preferred?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Well I'll say "The Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei" sequence in Kill Bill does what Batman Begins does about 200% better in less time. And even that wouldn't be enough for a Batman film truly exploring how a man becomes literally the greatest human fighter and mind on the planet. I understand it's a montage, and anything that was suppose to span that much time would need one, but it's a fucking piss poor montage.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    THE 11 YEAR OLD MUST BE SCOTTISH :D

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Uh-Oh...

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

    The guy with the purple jacket and dyed-green hair is fuckin'pissed.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:35 a.m. CST

    i was down the street from the arclight theater.

    by peopleintrees

    what an absolute nightmare sunset blvd was tonite. I went to see the pixies tonite, anybody else go the show?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:38 a.m. CST

    MY PROBLEMS WITH BATMAN BEGINS.....

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    I HATED the way Nolan dealt with the death of Bruce's Parents. The driving force behind Batman was that he never found out who killed them. That's the eternal core of the character and Nolan fucked it up by making Joe Chill the one who killed them only for himself to get whacked by Falcone. Then there is the way Bruce is some preppy douchebag who just decides to run off and become a ninja, comes back seven years later and then becomes Batman. Oh and his ninja skills did fuck all good against dogs in The Dark Knight. Really, Batman taken down by dogs?!? That shit is fucking weak.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    ALSO, NOLAN CAN'T DIRECT ACTION FOR SHIT.....

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    Face it, the guy isn't a visualist and he isn't helped by that shit DP he works with. Every time Batman gets in a fight, it should be lightening fast but, instead, it's like he's moving in slow-motion.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST

    TDK Was Not Well Written

    by Media Messiah

    You can try to reimagine history all you want, but you Chris Nolan apologists have to deal with the fact that TDK is not a good movie--however, that is not to suggest that Batman Begins is a good movie either, if that is what you assumed I was saying? Batman Begins just has a better, more linear storyline than TDK. Chris Nolan is an overrated director--The Prestige was weak, bland, slow and depressingly dour, as well as both of his Batman films, as well as all of his film work. The point is, the Batman film that Nolan wrote with his brother (TDK) is even worse than David Goyer's screenplay for the first film, which should show you how completely vapid Nolan is. You have just sold-out to media hype, over real quality and substance in filmmaking and story.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, now we've turned on TDK?

    by David Cloverfield

    I thought it will take another another year or so.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    by MariusXe

    Hold the phone right there! Its in the comics continuity that Bruce knows that Joe Chill is the murder! At least since one of the crisis storylines (don't remeber which one), so Nolan did nothing wrong there in my eyes. And to Media Messiah: I think its you who sold out. Its kind popular to hate on tdk and nolan these days, just to prove that "oh I hate nolan, I am so different and so much cleverer than all of you". like it or not, Nolan is the most talented new voice of popular filmaking in the last 10 years and I can say the same about bale acting wise (ok, maybe forget terminator). and what also pisses me off is the bullshit stuff people say about two faces plot in tdk. It wasn't bad or unnessecairy, it was the perfect ending for the movie, which was after all a movie about harvey dent (he was the backbone of the movie after all). The only mistake was killing him off, which was stupid.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:02 a.m. CST

    unnecessary, not unnessecairy

    by MariusXe

    wtf rode me there???? edit button please?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:06 a.m. CST

    The Prestige, weak bland and slow? Fuck off.

    by V'Shael

    The Prestige was genius. <p> You're going to have to learn that just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it crap. <p> The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves, you know?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Seriously, AICN - crack down on PLANTS!

    by JuanSanchez

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    A Plant For All Seasons...

    by Grinning White Skull

    I love this guy and how desperate his plant review sounds when you break it down. "I know that sounds like a narrative and tonal mess, but it really all comes together in perfect harmony." Yep, it sounds like its narrative and its tone is a mess. But somehow by the grace of Odin it works in perfect harmony. "Stuff blows up real good." Yes, we have so many bad explosions in films today that it is good to know stuff blows up REAL good in this film. "An 11 year old girl says bad words and shoots/stabs people (in a non-exploitative way)." Obviously this is an uplifting examination of life's struggles without catering to violence for purely exploitative reasons or for just violence's sake. "Nicolas Cage is actually a talented, engaging actor here (or at least his quirky and hyper acting style works perfectly within the context of this film)." No sucking up to the star here, just an acknowledgment that his "quirky and HYPER" acting style works perfectly in regards to the rest of the acting in the film. What a relief! "But this comic-book film is different. It felt like a real world with real people and real consequences (but with funnier people and Jon Woo style action)." The "real world" is always more realer when it has funnier people and especially the "real world" aesthetics of John Woo style action. Yeah, John Woo's films have always had that real world quality to them. I predict another stupendous adaptation of a comic book character somewhere near the scale of "The Spirit" which was also promoted and released by Lionsgate. I mean, if they could adapt something with such truly genius source material and fuck it up so badly then how horrible can they adapt a comic book of the likes of "Kick Ass"?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Screaming "TDK SUCKED!" won't make it true

    by MattmanBegins

    Sorry.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Care to back up that idiotic opinion Media Messiah?

    by IndustryKiller!

    Dark Knight isn't well written? Considering the Interrogations scene is the greatest examination of the 20th century pop culture Hero v. Nemesis relationship ever put to screen (and Im not even sure I've seen it summed up so dynamically in comic book form)I'm just gonna have to go right ahead and call you a fucking moron. And that just a small piece of the puzzle, to say nothing of the Greek tragic hero Harvey Dent plot, or the brilliant and subtle (something Begins had none of) subtext of Batman as a post 9/11 commentary. The film was without argument the best film of 2008. Funny, I just saw Slumdog Millionaire for the first time the other day and what a totally dishonest and banal piece of slick Hollywood shit that was, makes hte lack of Dark Knight nomination even more ridiculous.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Media Mesiah, re: "Chris Nolan apologists"

    by MattmanBegins

    Apologists are a minority defending a mediocre director. Nolan is generally regarded as a fine director. In this case, you're the minority. No one need apologize for one of the better directors working today.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Howard The Duck

    by Urall Luzers

    is the BEST comic book movie EVER! Kick-Ass will be effin awesome, though. And from what I understand, he WILL get the shit kicked out of him the first time he goes out to try fighting crime. That IS what happens in the comic, after all. This is supposed to be a pretty faithful adaptation of a Millar book. Unlike Wanted. Ugh. Why, Timur? Why? I was so pissed off after that flick. But okay, they started making that film right after the first issue hit that stands. Whatever. Kick-Ass was supposed to have had a movie deal BEFORE issue 1 hit the stands and it STILL is supposed to be a REAL adaptation. Oh and yeah, Bruce Wayne knowing Joe Chill killed his parents is canon. If you actually read comics, you would know that. (Of course, Bruce Wayne is "dead" right now. Sooo...)

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST

    A Recipe for you!

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    How to make a pointless and ill informed backlash against any movie.<p> Take one Contrarian Motherfucker Cunt Retard.<p> Add him or her to an internet forum.<p> Stir in at least 10 pointless sheeple, with their ability to think for themselves removed before you add them, and voila....<p> Even the Dark Knight can be the subject of a backlash.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Urall Luzers

    Can we start writing the title of the comic/film correctly? It is Kick-Ass, not Kick Ass or Kickass. Just like Spider-man is not Spider Man Or Spiderman. I don't mind it in the posts, but get it right in the story proper, for Pete's sake.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    'Does if bother you how alone you truly are?...

    by Righteous Brother

    you had plans, look where that got you' I love that line in the interrogation scene, and the way its delivered.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    TDK was good, but anywhere near as great

    by estacado1

    as people hype it up to be. It wouldn't made the money it made if Heath Ledger didn't die. It is similar to Children of Men, people make it sound as if it is better than it really is.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Best Superhero movies for me are....

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    The Rocketeer and Superman.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Didn't care for TDK that much but...

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    do agree that the interrogation scene was a highlight.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!: You Are The Reason The Industry Is Dying

    by Media Messiah

    Script and story wise, TDK was empty where it counted. When you can call TDK a masterpiece, with a straight face, that just helps to create more bad films for the marketplace, because Hollywood honchos see the box office receipts as fueled by the hype of the media and fans like you, and they say to themselves, "They liked that banal junk, well, let's feed them more of the same???!!!" <BR><BR>If you want quality, you have to demand it, or else you will continue to get bad Batman films, and nothing but that. First we had that horrible Tim Burton mess...and then, the far worse junk food which was pushed on us by Joel Schumacher, and now, we have a studio, media, and fans who reacted so negatively, and rightly so BTW, to the awful Joel Schumacher era films...that they over compensated to the opposite extreme, and it is that over compensation that is, and was, a mistake. Now, as a direct result, we have two self important Chris Nolan Batman directed films that have no real emotion? They are devoid of spirit, heart, love, joy humor...or anything that really speaks to one's humanity...and a lead actor, who is so full of himself, that his performance is sterile, and seems like a series of cold line readings? The two Nolan films are trying to be too cool for the room, to the point of being snooty...self important, arrogant, and stuck-up? Hello, it's a damn comic book based series of films with a guy dressed in a tight black uniform--this isn't Shakespear, and even if it was, even Shakespear was never as self-aware as Nolan's Batman? The two films are embarrassing in that manner. If you are going to present something as being epic and great, you had better damn well have your bases covered, or don't go all out Masterpiece Threatre on us, or you'll end up with self parody, as these films often feel in parts, and painfully so? <BR><BR>Problem 1) Rachel and Bruce Wayne hardly interacted, so how could we feel their bond? We could not feel their so-called love, so when she dies, you simply think "That's awful"...but you don't really feel for Bruce...and you can't feel for Harvey...as we are shown no real and in-depth emotional bond between him and Rachel, either? No, in place of sequences that should have served to establish that, we were given endless scenes of Batman Vigilantes running around Gotham, a return of Scarecrow...and then the unnecessary scenes in China that could have been filmed anywhere in the world--and should have been cut from the film?<BR><BR>2) And what did we see of Bruce Wayne's personal life? Well, Bale as Wayne just sat around in business suits, scene after scene, after scene (clearly all shot as meaningless and empty story transitions)...while exchanging empty dialogue with Alfred...and trying to look intelligent? Oh, and then there is the C Plot about the Batman/Bruce Wayne black mailing press man, and the D Plot about Harvey Dent becoming Two Face--which should have been left for a sequel? Talk about a overstuffed and badly written script?<BR><BR>3)TDK wasted Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and Maggie Gyllenhaal? These are 3 of the best actors in the world? Did you see how Freeman kicked ass in Wanted, the man was amazing? And Gyllenhaal in The Secretary...etc.--she is mind blowing!!! Also, Nolan wasted Caine in the Batman films, as well in The Prestige? You tell me, that you have access to one of the greatest actors of all time, and you do little else with him, but use him for story filler and scene transitions? How about giving him something weighty to do...and say? And then there is Gary Oldman (Romeo Is Bleeding, The Professional)...Eric Roberts, talk about wasting talented actors? <BR><BR>4)Edit-out the Batman Vigilantes, The China sequence, The black mailer, Harvey Dent as Two Face, and you will already have a better film, but give these great actors that populate the film something to do, and real dialogue to act with, and give Bruce Wayne a life, and show us his love for Rachel, in a tangible and demonstrative way, and that of Harvey for Rachel, and she for both men--and the impact of her death would have had transcendent and marked meaning for the audience. As shown, like much of the movie, the emotional impact was completely lost? It was a largely vacuous exercise, and I want my ticket money back!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:04 a.m. CST

    BurnedNotice_Dude: Agreed

    by Media Messiah

    The Rocketeer and Superman are the best super hero films of all time, hands down!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:06 a.m. CST

    I'D LIKE TO KICK THE ASS OF "PLANT!"ERS

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    You live in a fucking dream world where the studios actually care about this little pocket of the internet still. Wake the fuck up. You weren't the reason for The Dark Knight being successful. You certainly weren't responsible for Snakes On A Plane being successful, were you? Welcome to AICN - it's just a normal, everyday website where the Talkbackers have no influence whatsoever and the studios don't care enough to pay someone to lie you into thinking one of their movies are great.<p>Welcome to the real world, motherfuckers. Now get in line with the rest of us and start looking forward to this obviously very good movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:06 a.m. CST

    "But I couldn't find any flaws in Kickass."

    by DocPazuzu

    Puhhhh.....LLLAAAANNNT!!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    *Facepalms DocPazuzu*

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Actually I'd like to knock the heads of you and Media Messiah together. Who the fuck let Media Messiah off his meds anyway?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Lane_myers111

    one of the most clear cut examples of fishing ive ever seen..yeah right Dark Knight is terrible and Morgan Freeman was amazing in "Wanted"..ha ha yeah sure you think that

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Richard Gerbil

    by DocPazuzu

    Nice try.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...is also the guy who believes that the Jet Propulsion Laboratory is a "sex cult" and that the Soviet probe to Venus in the 1970s was shut down because it found evidence of lush jungles. He also believes that Steven Spielberg's niece was kidnapped by aliens and was rescued by the Virgin Mary. And no, I'm not making this shit up. <p> He's a complete loon.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    This Is Not A Plant Review

    by mrbeaks

    I have several friends who attended tonight's screening, and they all think this is the best superhero movie they've ever seen. I wanted to check it out for myself, but Lionsgate would rather have y'all speculating as to whether the above review is genuine. That's why their marketing folks make the big bucks.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Richard Gerbil

    by DocPazuzu

    Obviously you never read the AvP:Rectum talkbacks.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by herculoid

    re: TDK---among many other things, you are overlooking the fresh mixing of genres, heath's performance, and batman's compelling decision in the final moments of the film...all of which "counted"

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Beaks does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Beaks, can you also vouch for the KICK ASS review from London? Cos that one smells mighty suspicious...<p> ps. Your friends all honestly think this is better than SUPERMAN 1 & 2, TDK, DARKMAN, ROBOCOP, IRON MAN? Wow. So we're looking at film of the year then?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:32 a.m. CST

    RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL, IF THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT US......

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    And our opinion, then why did Paramount shut out every mainstream critic from seeing G.I. Joe only to sponsor a private screening for people from websites such as AICN and CHUD which, surprise, surprise, led to an avalanche of positive reviews from the whores that run these sites? NO ONE outside the geek community knows about KICK-ASS so the studio is trying to create word of mouth by planting positive reviews in the hopes that it will spread to the mainstream. I've seen the leaked trailer, it's an R-Rated Mystery Men and looks like shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Beaks

    by DocPazuzu

    It has nothing to do with whether or not a review is positive. It's all in the presentation. I've seen tons of gushing reviews of movies which obviously weren't written by plants. I'm pretty sure I'll like this movie but that doesn't mean the geraniums are getting any free passes.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:41 a.m. CST

    For the last time Spiderman 2 is ungodly awful.

    by Ganymede3001

    What was so fucking great about that boring piece of shit that gave more screen time to Aunt may and Mary Jane than they did Doc Oc.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a Yucca plant to me.

    by Sal_Bando

    But then again, so does Harold most of the time (when he likes something), right? <p> Does it have Giant Robots? and can we at least hope that Mammaries of Mommy continues to boycott all knowledge of it's existence?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    mrbeaks, YOU ARE A LIAR, ALSO.....

    by TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    The fact that you were once a mainstay at CHUD makes EVERYTHING that you say highly suspect. What sort of kickbacks are you getting for promoting this? Free tickets to the premiere? Exclusive interviews with the cast and crew? Oh and you were the fucking idiot that said, and I quote, that "The Dark Knight has no shot at $300 million". Of course that was when you were still Faraci's lapdog and had to back up his crusade against The Dark Knight. So why don't you fuck off back to suckle at Faraci's bitch tits and you can help him write his fan-fiction where he fantasizes about ass raping Emma Watson.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    XMEN-2 > Spiderman 2 by a country mile.

    by Ganymede3001

    More heros, better performances, better story, better action.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:43 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by mrbeaks

    This isn't a plant.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Remember Indy Killer has Bataroos on most the time.

    by Sal_Bando

    That will help explain his Bats fetish clearly. As for the actual movie itself-pretty good, loused up the whole potential Too-Fez(his turkish cousin) vs. Joker angle, and had Joker more or less acting almost supernaturally, everywheres at once and in control of Everything. <p> One Buscemi as Killer Moth later and you'll Know the quality is back.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Sorry, beaks...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I'm not buying it.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Big Robots Too > XMen Too

    by Sal_Bando

    More incoherent storyline, more Big Robots, Bayhem vs. Singer's mutated Mewlings. <p> Plus you had Racist Caricature Robots! Who wouldn't wanna see (more) of THAT?! <p> I'm waitin' for the Karate choppin' Chan-Bot in the next one, myself.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    "I've seen the leaked trailer.."

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    You obviously know more than I do about the GI. JOE screening, so I'll concede to you on that. Well played.<p>However, if you're really basing your judgements of an entire movie on the trailer than you've probably missed a lot of good movies this year.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Thanks. And no I didn't.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    terrible review

    by mike_n

    If this isn't a plant then it's as badly written as most plant reviews are : don't give away any new information, just reference a bunch of other films your demographic likes.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    batman begins...

    by herculoid

    cant believe all the armchair generals/masturbators savaging batman begins. i loved how nolan sewed together bruce wayne's fear, guilt and bat association...and how it all fueled his transformation into batman. it was crisp, clear, and well motivated. and emotional, too.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:20 a.m. CST

    TDK is overrated but then again SM2 is also

    by ominus

    i ll quickly post one big flaw from TDK,a movie which is supposed to be realistic and serious: <p>do u know a lot of people who will calmly stay and vote while they are going to die in a few minutes? its obvious that Nolan has never seen or read in the news,what happens to the human 'civilized' mind when CHAOS REIGNS. <p>

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Batman begins/TDK

    by The Dark Shite

    In my opinion, they're as good as each other, in different ways. Both have great moments, both have flaws. <p> BB was a better comic book movie & felt like a classic comic book movie, but suffered from katie Holmes, dodgy fight sequences & obviously fake city sets.<p> TDK was the better film, but was too poe faced & miserable & overlong (the boat sequence drags on forever). Personally, I think they're both great. Not perfect, but great movies.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    calm people

    by herculoid

    i have to disagree...the people on the boats were believably anxious and desperate. I am not saying TDK is perfect, but my mind goes elsewhere when i explore it's faults

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Dear God does Vaughn have a green thumb...

    by criticalbliss

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Iron man is the best!

    by Dazzler69

    IM is the best hands down for all the comic movies. 2nd is Watchmen only because it's more drama made.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Watchmen wouldn't even make my top 10.

    by The Dark Shite

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:50 a.m. CST

    the people in the boat would have revolt

    by ominus

    and panic,and start screaming,running,hurting each other and escaping the boat. <p>dont believe me? check the 911 videos,where people were jumping from the twin towers... <p>and thats only one simple flaw from the movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Exactly: TDK

    by MorganLeafy

    good not great.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins What? The Dark Knight Who?

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Media, man, I take it you didn't like the movie, but seriously, you're high if you think that a flick like Dark Knight wasn't well done. You're also entitled to your opinion, man, so what the fuck do I care if a guy (or lady) I don't know thinks the flicks I thought were genius were actually shit?<p>What am I? A twelve year old? Nah, so, I have to say, sorry you didn't like them, and I HAVE to ask: How do you type those rants with your head lodged so far up your ass, bro?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Everyone knows THE TOXIC AVENGER is the greatest...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...superhero movie of all time.<P>This argument can end right now.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    ...and TDK was very good but no fun at all. I have no...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...desire to ever see it again after the first time.<P>That's a major failing in a superhero movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    ...KICK ASS looks like it could be very entertaining...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and that's the first thing I ask from a superhero movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST

    @DocPazuzu : I knew I couldn't have heard

    by V'Shael

    all of the hilarious Media Messiah stories, but I had never heard those, and I'll be honest... I actually doubted you and thought you were just exaggerating to make a point about his insanity. <p> But I used google, and indeed found the JPL sex cult post, and the russian space probe post. So I do believe you. But I couldn't find any reference to the Spielberg virgin mary story. <p> Please, if you can, provide a link for our collective amusement.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    And the hyperbole begins

    by AsimovLives

    This is what really kills movies, the hyperbole, the hype. Can it be possible, that, for once, a movie, even a good movie, wouldn't get hyped to kingdom come? Hype kills. Good movies get dismissed because the hype oversells them, and mediocre movies get overpraised because people fall for the hype. Hype is the enemy of cinema. Death to hype!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    I have little doubts Kick-Ass will be good

    by AsimovLives

    But the fucking hype is just stupid. Let the movie sells itself on it's own merits, OK?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Flickapoo speaks truth

    by Lost Jarv

    Toxic Avenger is greatest superhero movie ever.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Asimov

    by Lost Jarv

    Shouldn't you be in the Men who stare at goats TB? That's your specialist subject after all.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    The jurys still out for me on this one

    by jackalcack

    I don't know why, it's the kind of film I should like, but the whole thing just seems a bit cheesy and cringeworthy. I fucking hate the title 'Kickass'

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Jeez, you guys are talking with such fervour and knowledge

    by Mr Gorilla

    imagine if you shone those skills onto Bergman or something.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    ...AsimovLives...I found the solution...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...1-knock up a female.<P> 2-Have no time or freedom or money to see movies. 3- See all movies six months to a year later when they become available on DVD. <P>By then the hype has burned itself out in a self destructive hype circle jerk holocaust of pluses and minuses resulting in zero...and you have forgotten all the spoilers anyway.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:29 a.m. CST

    How to be Nu Trendy Kool:

    by AsimovLives

    Dismiss The Dark knight and Spider-Man 2 as "boring2 and "over-praised", but proclaim to the four winds the love for mediocirty like STINO. But never make the mistake to praise Terminator 4, even if you happen like it. Bashing T4 will be your safeline to garantee you are not totally full of shit and to be taken seriously.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST

    TDK WASN'T well done

    by Star Hump

    It was well filmed. it looked fantastic, but it's not a well done movie. Bale is awful, that is, when he 's in the movie (he's the title character, too. Major points off.).<p> The screenplay is muddy and boring. The supporting cast is shit, with the exception of Oldman and Ledger, and Ledger's performance was filled with so many terrible affectations (licking his lips for example) that he was really more of a distraction as the Joker than a compelling villain. He bared only a passing resemblance to the character he was based on.<p> The story was laughably "serious" before derailing half way through and then completely mangling the Harvey Dent sub-plot.<p> Batman's costume looked like shit. Was that a black cantelope on his head? Let's not get into his voice. And Batman was terribly out of character. He'd assault a helpless Joker in his jail cell? Really? Not the Batman I know. Batman is a good guy, remember, not a bully. And so much for the world's greatest detective, the cornerstone trait of the charcter. We got about 7 minutes of detective business in the entire movie.<p> Yeah, The Dark Knight is mediocre at best, right on the same level with all 3 of Raimi's poorly conceived Spider-Man films.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    ...and step 4 of my plan is...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...don't fuck up your paragraph breaks. It makes you look like an amateur.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Star Hump

    by jackalcack

    I've read Batman comics where Batman beats the living shit out of the joker. The Killing Joke and Hush immediately spring to mine, but I'm sure there are more.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    And this review is fucking green with chlorophyll

    by Lost Jarv

    Pathetic. It may well be a good movie, but "Nicolas Cage is actually a talented, engaging actor here (or at least his quirky and hyper acting style works perfectly within the context of this film)." Is whorish plantspeak.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    If You Think Batman Wouldn't Assault Joker

    by Autodidact

    Then you don't know much about Batman.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Nobody mentioned Star Trek

    by Lost Jarv

    you fucking animal molesting tit. What the fuck is wrong with you?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    "How to be Nu Trendy Kool"

    by jackalcack

    Ha ha! I don't think anyone (myself included) who regularly comes onto these talkbacks is in any danger of being considered "Nu Trendy Kool"

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:48 a.m. CST

    you stupid fuckers

    by therealrockinrolla

    once again your projecting what you want to be true onto this article. whats the matter guys dont have any power to exert over other people so you shit on other where you can cower behind anominity. grow a backbone.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Hype does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    "I have several friends who attended tonight's screening, and they all think this is the best superhero movie they've ever seen." Beaks.<p> It's hyped comments like this that infuriate me. What can we draw from them? We don't know if Beaks friends can be trusted? We don't know whether or not these 'friends' have seen their fair quota of quality superhero movies.. perhaps they've only seen a small handful? Perhaps their twats with no taste in movies?<p> We simply don't know. But for multiple people to walk out of a screening and all of them agree it's 'the best superhero ever made'... well either they're full of shit or KICK ASS is genuinely one of THE movies of the decade.<p> (personally i'm leaning towards Beaks buddies being full of shit).

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, what's up with the 'Bashing T4 will be your safeline to garantee you are not totally full of shit and to be taken seriously'<p> Dude, it wasn't such a bad flick. I'd rather rewatch TERMINATOR SALVATION again than yawn through your beloved SOLARIS!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Re: Star Hump

    by Crimson Dynamo

    You are absolutely correct - its good to hear someone else say it. The 60's Bats was too silly, and TDK is too serious. Batman has to ride right down the middle, and TAS is the only one to ever do it successfully. Nolan has painted himself into a corner now - no Mr. Freeze, Robin, Clayface, Batcave, etc.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Fuck Nu Cool

    by spud mcspud

    I enjoyed TERMINTOR 3 and TERMINATOR SALVATION - and I'll debate anybody who wants to tussle. Those movies were way better on plot than the let-s-rip-off-the-first-movie-but-cut-off-its-balls-so-the-kiddies-can-watch-it TERMINATOR 2: CASH-IN DAY. T2 was fun, but it was basically remaking T1 with less gore so they could make money off the 12 year olds, and Cameron could go jizz over how cool his new morphing SFX were back in the day.<P> T1 is the daddy, T2 its impertinent child... But T3 and TS were the continuation of the REAL narrative - not this boy-and-his-robot-father-figure bullshit, but Judgment Day and how Skynet start the last great war. And I was very surprised at how okay I though TS was. Not great - definitely not classic - but a cracking good time on the big screen.<P> So, fuck Nu Cool. I like what I like, dammit. And though I'll probably like KICK-ASS, there's something very wrong about a buncb of geeks talking about a 12 year old as their next comic book icon. That's just fuckin' creepy, y'all...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    xevoid

    by Philvis

    You make a good point...Super Fuzz was a pretty kickass movie. Didn't the color yellow take away his powers? I also am on the same page with Media Messiah, as I love Rocketeer. My other favorite superhero movie definitely has to be Condorman. I've never seen the Kick Ass comic book/graphic novel, but it does seem like it will be pretty cool. I look forward to seeing this one on the big screen.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    UNBREAKABLE is the best comic book movie

    by slone13

    KICK ASS will be a forgettable enjoyable romp at best.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    I like how everyone freaks out over a positive review

    by MattmanBegins

    "PLANT!! IT MUST SUCK!! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE GOOD??" Jesus. Word of mouth has been very positive for this one. Is it really that hard to believe someone saw it and enjoyed it?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Want Unbreakable 2!

    by Autodidact

    I was really jazzed when Lady in the Water and The Happening both sucked so bad (although I didn't fully hate Lady). I thought it meant that M. Night would do a sequel to Unbreakable in order to make relatively sure that his next project would be profitable and well-received. Bruce is getting old, so write the character as ten years older or simply recast the part with someone 45ish who does bald well.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Stop accepting Mark Millars' superhype plant reviews...

    by Stegman84

    Movie might be cool, might just be a fun n' forgettable bit of hokum, might be absolte shit, but by far the best/most entertaining comic book movie ever? This is the hype police saying piss the fuck off already, because aint no one buying that shit. <p>Funny thing about hype that hollyweird doesn't seem to quite get is that if you overhype something too much, and it turns out to be anything less than truly amazing, then you're just setting up the inevitable backlash. <p>How about, ooh, I dunno, just letting us know it's coming, and that you're proud of it (if you are) and then letting us make up our own minds just how awesome (or not) something is, when we actually see it. <p>Nah, fuck it, that's just crazy talk. Hype everything to unasailable levels! Spoil every major set piece and plot twist in the trailers! Tell everyone about your 'secret' celebrity cameo months before the film even comes out! Open huge them divebomb like a motherfucker! That's the New Hollywood Way! <p>Now excuse me while I go stare at something shiny...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    think the Toxic Avenger movie is good?

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    then you should see the musical.<p>its the best superhero musical you'll ever seen on broadway!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    ...MUSICAL!? How have I not heard of this?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    Kick Ass posters are up..

    by The Dark Shite

    over at superherohype. They look pretty cool (if a little Watchmenesque). <p> Not sure if that's a word, but fuck it.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    The only plants are the reviews sent in by...

    by moorE12

    the people who write for AICN. These people are invited to screenings of these movies in hope that they will plant a positive review of their movie. Of course this doesn't always work out because the movie is shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Bats' suit...

    by ndoty_sa

    I love both of Nolan's Bats' films, but the problem with both has always been for me the horrible Bats suit. Nolan had the opportunity to completely erase the memories of the heavy, rubber Party City suits from the Burton and Schumaker films. Call me fickle, but they could have used some military-grade fabric and a leather-type cowl (see Daredevil). The heavy foam/latex/rubber/whater suits completely take me out of the movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    MattmanBegins

    by DocPazuzu

    What is it about "it's all in the presentation" that you people don't understand? It has NOTHING to do with how positive a review is.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    therealrockinrolla...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...has only posted in two previous talkbacks--both of them dealing with Disney, which is odd.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    NEWS JUST IN: EVERYTHING EVER IS RUBBISH!

    by DonLogan

    Everything is Lame, everything is rubbish. Every movie yet to be made is shit. The same people who gushed on here about The Dark Knight have now decided that it's always been mediocre at best. Spiderman 2 is just boring. Watchmen is the new Ishtar. X-Men is good/X-Men is crap. Christopher Nolan is now a hack. Indiana Jones was always Lame, Star Wars original trilogy:Lame, Tarantino never did anything good ever, Gondry doesn't know what he's doing, The Godfather was boring, De Niro can't act, Star Trek isn't realistic at all and so on and so forth...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Ishtar is entertaining. Watchmen is not.

    by Lost Jarv

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Toxie: The Musical

    by Lost Jarv

    Shit, my life will not be complete until I see this masterpiece.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the shout Dark Shite

    by masteryoda007

    Those posters are nicely done. Well done to Superhero Hype for a good scoop.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    TDK = fail

    by ThisIsIt

    I never understood the love for this movie. I watched it again recently to try to convince myself that the boredom I experienced in the theater was my fault. Just one example of the groan inducing stupidity of the movie: Batman chases the convoy carrying the Joker (needlessly wrecking a ton of cars in the process - thanks Batman!!) then his big confrontation with the Joker consists of him playing chicken and wrecking the batcycle at the last minute. For no apparent reason. And then Gordon has to save him from getting killed. Well played, Batman. Look, Ledger was great but the whole thing was a mess and the third act was tedious at best. They should have edited out the boat scene for one. And the most galling failure is that Harvey Dent was the only character that was remotely fleshed out and then they killed him off. Which I didn't believe until I read it after I saw the movie. I assumed he was still alive and locked away. Utter crap. Shall I go on? Iron Man was a hell of a lot more fun, and a much better ride than TDK (or Batman Begins for that matter).

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    TDK was amazing you fucking retards...

    by TheWaqman

    stick to watching the badly acted Watchmen. Who watches the Watchmen? Only morons apparently.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I like the first paragraph

    by manifestchaos

    When someone breaks a film down into constituent parts that relate to other movies I have seen I can make an informed decision whether or not the mixture sounds appealing. Kudos to DK Whateveritwas.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Script Girl is in the Sequel

    by Snookeroo

    T-and-Kick-Ass.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    I'm skeptical BUT Matthew Vaughn >>> Guy Ritchie..

    by TheWaqman

    and I've enjoyed Vaughn's 2 previous films so I'm up for this on that basis alone. I don't like Mark Millar's writing, but Vaughn and Nicolas Cage in a decent role for once is getting me in theatres. I'm already sick of that McLovin guy though.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Not everything is shit!

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Sookie Stackhouse's breasts are still amazing.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Revisionist History

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    I don’t get the Dark Knight backlash especially those who call it boring (part of which I think is driven by the XBOX playing, ADHD generation of nutjobs who think the Transformers films are “great popcorn flicks.”)

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    "couldn't find any flaws"

    by Meadowe

    Nic Cage is in this right? He's a pretty big friqin flaw in and of himself. Prolly stole red mist's mustang and hocked it for a brief case full of food stamps and wic vouchers for his son Kal El.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Thank you Waqman!!!

    by Dirk Shocker

    These motherfuckers will always try to get attention by actually blasting a great movie. I come to this site everyday and I never imagined TDK would get the shaft by these pricks. Bitching about the voice, the tumbler, the suit, and the fucking boat for fucks sakes. What do they want??????????? Fucking Shitmaker again and his colourful Gotham?? FUCKING PANSIES!!! F U C K YOU!!!!!! They are all probably jerking off to The Comedian's moustache.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Defendor!

    by FreeBeer

    Isn't "Defendor", that similiarly themed Canadian movie with Woddy Harrelson out before this?? Any reviews yet??

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Snake

    by ThisIsIt

    Rented Transformers, stopped watching halfway through and never saw the second one. And I'm turning 40 in December, so take from that what you will. I took my 16 year old neighbor to TDK - he and his 19 year old brother loved it. I thought it was tedious and overly flawed. Believe me, I wanted to see a great Batman movie. TDK may be the best one we've got - Burton's were flawed for different reasons and the less said about Schumacher's the better - but that wasn't a great movie. No revisionist history here.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The Ecstasy of Gold.

    by hallmitchell

    I know it's arguable. Yet greatest score piece in film history.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    jackalcack

    by AsimovLives

    You might be very right. But there's many preview reviewers who do try to pull that Nu Trendy Kool stunt. They must think it gives them some legitimacy and isempt them from criticism.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    i once told a friend of mine the conceot of Kick-Ass

    by AsimovLives

    and that the hero is colour blind, and that's the reason his costume looks so silly, because he gets the colours wrong. He couldn't stop laughing. I think this movie will have loads of appeal.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Unbreakable

    by FreeBeer

    Could have been brilliant, but it ended as soon as he becomes the hero he is destined to become. When he goes to that house to save those people and nearly drowns (which I thought was a genius weakness for the hero, much better than Kryptonite) then thats it. He confronts Jackson and then the movie ends. There are movies that take their time and then there are movies that are just slow, and because this movie was so slow we didn't see much of the truly interesting stuff. This point should have come earlier in the movie, so that we could have seen more of Bruce Willis' character trying to be a super hero in a very real world populated by murderers and rapists rather than camp made up super villains.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    TDK was not well made, no

    by AsimovLives

    TDK was EXCELENTLY MADE. Filmmaking at tit's finest. Poor those who can't appreciate it. And who cannot understand and get it's nuances and intelligence. Nolan based it on Heat, and it shows.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    And If This Is A Good Popcorn Flick..

    by FreeBeer

    ..then I'm all for it. Nothing wrong with a movie that sets out to entertain and nothing else, thats all Indiana Jones & Star Wars ever set out to do. A good popcorn flick is great fun, but we could also get the likes of Transformers or G.I Joe or Van Helsing.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    An Unbreakable Sequel..

    by FreeBeer

    ..now that definitly has the potential to be one of those sequels that blows the first installment out of the water, ala Spider-Man 2, Dark Knight, Strikes Back.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    *shakes head*

    by Adelai Niska

    So talkback hate has pendulumed to TDK and Spiderman now? If Superhero nerds can't love those movies then all hope for you is lost. What do you want- a low budget movie about Bruce Wayne learning to pick locks for two hours? Lars Von Trier's Martian Manhunter?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight

    by FreeBeer

    Compare it to any given blockbuster movie you've seen the last ten years and tell me how it rates. If you call it "shite" than what big budget summer movie you've seen lately would you rate higher? It's not the greatest movie ever made and it has its flaws but it is undeniably one of the superior comic adaptaions your ever likely to see.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    The Top Five Superhero Movies - my humble opinion

    by toadkillerdog

    1) Blade - It had it all. A kick ass opening - the best ever for a SH movie. A great and short origin recap. A compelling story and plot, with well written dialogue. Fantastic performances by the leads. And almost non-stop action. <p> 2) X-2 - Yes, it was Wolvie centric - so was the comic. Deal with it. Jackman was fantastic. Great secondary characters led by Nightcrawler and Pyro. Great plot and action. Ending was iffy. Wolvie in tears was hard to accept though. But did not detract from movie. <p> 3) The Dark Knight - Heath Ledger. Owned it. Demolished it. Was the sole reason it is this high. The single greatest portrayal of any character in an SH movie. Bale was his usual bland and annoying voiced self. He did not detract from the movie, but he added very little. The true reason this movie does not rate higher though was inane and unnecessary plot twist's and lazy writing. Nolan had an agenda - White Knight vs Dark Knight, and no amount of common sense was going to get in the way. The completely unnecessary plot point of Batman taking the blame for the killings was just motarded. There was a witness that Two face killed the cop - the Bartender. And even if he did not come forward, the killings could have been blamed on Joker, or left unsolved. Just dumb. And will not mention the helicopter not spotting the road black, or the hospital evacuation. Nope, not gonna. <p> 4) Iron Man - I had this rated above TDK when it first came out, and honestly I can make the case that it is slightly better or just as good, but will give nod to TDK because of Heath. RDJ was a revelation. IM is my favorite comic book SH of all time. So I had high hopes for this movie, and it mostly lived up to them. Dynamite opening and origin. RDJ nailed Stark. The effects were great - except for that tank scene. Great story and direction. The secondary characters were great- although I hated Howard's too soft voice. The armor was outstanding. The action was great until the end. Just fell apart with the Obie in armor. Felt rushed and not very well thought through. Almost undid all the greatness that most of the movie attained. <p> 5)Spiderman 2 -Everything that the limp first move was not. Great story. Great villain. And involving and well thought out characters and action. This was the way Spiderman was meant to be. It does move a little slow at times, and that is what keeps it from true greatness. That and snaggle tooth. <p>

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    real world with real consequences? NOPE!

    by TheLastBoyScout

    First off, the main character, and I use that term lightly, cause Kick-Ass himself disappears for long stretches of the film, but whatever, he tries to beat up the bullies, but himself gets beat up and run over by a car. A handy bit of narration tells us almost every bone in his body is broken, and he had to do rehab, so of course we cut to the next scene and he is all better, NOT ONE SCRATCH! Not one change in his appearance at all. That was super realistic!<p><p>It's supposed to be a superhero free world, Kick-Ass tells us this in the opening narration, yet Big Daddy and HitGirl existed before Kick-Ass dons his tights and have been all over the place. <p><p>Things are referenced then never followed up on, like the stupid beginning showing a kid jumping off a building because he thinks he can fly, that has nothing to do with the rest of the film.<p><p>The gangsters -- my lord was this awful. Every time they cut to McLovin and his awful actor of a father and his awful actor henchman, the movie grinds to a halt. And believe me, we spend A LOT of time with them, A LOT! Gangster stuff was easily the very worst element in the film, and it goes on forever.<p><p>Big Daddy burns to death, but not before giving us a big speech, as he is on fire, as he is laughing while on fire. Ridiculous. But quite realistic!!<p><p>Kick Ass defeats the gangsters with, get this, a flying jet pack with machine guns on it. I could not believe how realistic it was. They really went out of there way to make this a believable world.<p><p>Nic Cage as Big Daddy doesn't trust Kick Ass cause all he sees is him getting his ass kicked. He has a super secret lair that no one is allowed into, except his black cop friend who looks a good 20 years younger than Cage, though supposedly they entered the force together. Oh yeah, Cage also does drawings of all the gangsters. Why? No reason, just they thought it would look cool, because it is never addressed. So Cage, who trusts no one, especially Kick Ass, suddenly at the end trusts Kick Ass implicitly, and not only lets him into his lair, but lets him in with some new "hero" no one has ever seen, McLovin's Red Mist, who by the dictates of comic archetypes, is obviously a villain, but no one notices, least of all Big Daddy, who is set up as super smart and wary of everything, until the movie wants him to be otherwise to advance the ridiculous plot. <p><p>HitGirl was the only entertaining thing about the film. But there is nothing realistic about her, at all.<p><p>I could go on and on as to why this movie was an absolute train wreck with a few good moments thrown in, but what's the point? Nothing makes sense in the film, they break the rules they themselves set out, plot threads are left dangling, like Kick Ass's girlfriend. The whole thing was lame as hell. And the overlong ending with the gangsters and the jet pack was unbelievably boring. Awful script, average direction, bad acting, this film has it all! Avoid it at all costs, do not buy into the AICN hype machine, and do not believe Beaks. Oh, I'm sure his dopey friends liked it, but what doesn't this site and it's acolytes love? T4? Let me tell you something, T4 was not good, but it was 1,000 times more entertaining than this piece of dog shit. <p><p>Again, believe the hype at your own peril, you will be sorely let down.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I don't believe this review either.

    by ebonic_plague

    The movie might be good... probably is... but I still don't believe this review wasn't written by a plant. Maybe I'm wrong, but if so, Beaks' friends need to stop writing their reviews like they're Bruce Villanch doing an infomercial.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    TKD- That list is highly professional.

    by ebonic_plague

    I'm glad someone else recognizes the first Blade (specifically, the first several minutes) as the best superhero adaptation we've yet seen. Just goes to show what can happen when all the pieces come together to make a badass action movie that just happens to feature a superhero, rather than picking a superhero at random and shoehorning him into a typical action premise. <p> I'm not sure how I'd rank the rest of the movies on your list, but they'd all be there, albeit possibly in different order. Good stuff!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Sweet Christmas...

    by Mr.FTW

    I cannot believe the Batman Begins and TDK bashing on this board. Nolan gave us hands down the two greatest depictions of Batman outsite of the comic medium and the greatest Joker depiction of all time reguarless of medium. You guys are insane. Besides this is a Kick-Ass TB right?<p> I have a lot of hesitation about Kick-Ass due to it beig Millar's work. I mostly enjoyed Ultimates1 and 2 but after the garbage that was Wanted I can't really hang with that guy's work.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Did someone mention Unbreakable?

    by MorganLeafy

    Now that was a great movie. I had one of the best action scenes of all time (no kidding). Let me explain: over the years we've had so much eyeball fucking that we've seen it all (wire-fu, cgi, huge explosions, shaky cam) but in the end that's only means to an end. It’s all about giving the audience the feeling they can really relate to the hero who has to get out of a life threatening situation by a combination of physical ability, intelligence, creativity and luck. The strangling scene in Unbreakable was a good example of this. It’s also the reason why Inglorious Basterds was so great. Of course the exact opposite is Michael Bay: all flashy images with no context.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Thanks Ebonic!

    by toadkillerdog

    Yeah, Blade is the best superhero movie of all time. It just had it all. It gets overlooked because it is not a major comic book character. But Blade sets the Gold standard for not only a great opening, but the best origin recap. It also delivers the action! Fast and furious!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Canine Toad Murderer!

    by Dirk_The_Amoeba

    Great list! I had to think about it for a while, but I do agree that Blade deserves to be either #1 or #2 all time. I had Xmen 2 as the best, but Blade was outstanding for all the reason you mentioned and because of Wesley! <p> As for Unbreakable, well it was ok. But not a top ten effort. Too much Shymalan bullshit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 2

    by Kaitain

    I've watched each movie in the Spider-Man trilogy at least ten times. Spider-Man 2 is the least entertaining of the three.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight

    by Kaitain

    Watched this again last night. It's great...for an hour. But the last half hour is too much, and misguided. The switchover to having Two-Face as a major factor in the movie doesn't work. It's too much for TDK itself, and it's too rushed from a franchise perspective. Far better to have seen him in hospital, and then left him for future movies. And by the time the stuff with the hospitals has happened, and the two boats...frankly, you're bored. But, to reiterate, the first two hours are outstanding.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Unbreakable

    by Kaitain

    I love that movie. Shyamalan's best, easily. And it's obvious that he will never, ever get anywhere close to it again.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    TDK erratum

    by Kaitain

    "Watched this again last night. It's great...for an hour." <p> Sorry, meant "...for two hours".

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Unbreakable

    by Mr.FTW

    Would have been an awesome movie if it didn't continue to go back to the disfuntional marrige angle.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Regarding the Two-Face subplot

    by meta4

    It started with a goal,attained it, and ended. What more could the character really do? Oh he'll become a disfigured baddy just like ummmm everyone else! It seemed like Nolan wanted Harvey Dent/Two-face to remain noble from beginning to end and it actually worked within the context of the movies themes and plots. Organic one might say.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Check this out you guys!!

    by whateverworks

    Watch out for her next summer.... starring in Soderbergh's new movie Knockout. Look at this gif, it will make your day I promise, I'm not trolling. http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv92/MixedMartialArts03/weigh-ins.gif

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Hi everyone

    by DKMODE

    I just got in to work, and had no idea the review would get posted (considering there were several hundred other film geeks present). Full disclosure: I do work for a production company, but not for the studio doing this movie. I understand the "plant" accusations, but look into my eyes and believe me. I'm no plant. If I was a plant, I would probably add a few more negative critiques to throw people off like, "there's one scene that drags in the middle but..." I've seen and accused planty reviews before. I feel a little dirty and excited now that I've been accused, but I digress. At any rate, I am very cynical when it comes to movies, and I usually tear them apart. Maybe that comes from years of doing lowly script coverage, but I like to point out mistakes like the rest of you in movies and figure out how things could have been written or portrayed more effectively. I personally disliked the first 2 Spiderman films. No offense, but the first two are just the same movie: father figure scientist takes Parker in, goes crazy after lab accident goes awry, then turns on Peter with mean-spirited one-liners and evil plot. I never felt any real emotions between characters in those movies. It just looked like Toby and Kirsten were both high and collecting paychecks. I really liked the last two Batman films and Ironman (though they're not films I will re-watch over and over, and I can point out several flaws in them). I also loved Superman and Darkman 3: Die Darkman Die (kidding). But this particular film just clicked on so many levels and was just thoroughly entertaining. Maybe my vision is clouded because I feel like I have swine flu, but almost everything I can remember was good. If the people at the screening asked for audience input (which they didn't) I would have had nothing to say. I was racking my brain for something negative I could point out. I never got bored. There was never any of those boring dialogue sequences that you saw repeatedly in the Spiderman and Batman films where characters discuss power, love, ethics and responsibility. Well there is a line like, "with no power comes no responsibility," but it was done for laughs. This film did have its serious emotions, but it was heartfelt. And it was funny. And the action was more impressively choreographed than what we're used to in super-hero films. It felt very much like it was directed by french director who did The Professional, or John Woo, but he mixed in dark comedy elements from Layer Cake and teen-angst/absurd comedy elements from Superbad. I don't know how or why it worked so well to put these disparate elements in, but it did.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Sin City is the best comic book movie ever.

    by crazybubba

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Hey TKD........D.Vader

    by DrMorbius

    ^Check out whateverworks link!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Adelai

    by AsimovLives

    No, you missed the point. What this The Dark Knight and spider-Man 2 bashers resent is that those two comic book movies tried and did their best to be smart and intelligent movies. they resent that. They wished those two movies had gone the Micahel Bay route, they wished those two movies had been "EH DUMB FUN"! They are pissed off that a Batman and Spider-Man movie had the temerity to take themselves seriously and and tried to be smart and the ebst movies they could, instead of just went to the road most traveled of banal conventional dumb blockbuster. They resent that to no end.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Sin City is actually great

    by DKMODE

    Maybe I shouldn't have said that Kickass is the best comic-book movie ever, or pooped on Spiderman or Dark Knight. I didn't know people were going to argue about that. It probably won't be the best comic-book movie everyone has seen. But for some it will. We all have opinions and disagree vehemently on films. Let's just say it will get like 85% to 90% on rotten tomatoes and nerds and mainstream audiences will not hate it.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Thanks DrMorbius!

    by whateverworks

    here it is again in case you missed it the 1st time. http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv92/MixedMartialArts03/weigh-ins.gif what do you think???

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I know what is misguided about The Dark Knight

    by AsimovLives

    The notion that if a talented and intelligent filmmaker does his best effort possible and treats the audiences as thinking intelligent people, that he will be thanks for his efforts. But no, that's not true. How fool of him to think like that. No, man, if you treat your audiences as intelligent people, you will get pissed upon and treated as a villain and your movies as bad because he didn't go "teh dumb fun" route. that's the true misguided thing about The Dark Knight, that it didn't treated audiences as dumb idiots. How more clueless can you get?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    No more intelligent blockbusters!!

    by AsimovLives

    The geeks no like it. More STINO, less TDK. That is the God's Law!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Realism

    by DKMODE

    And I should explain my statement about how this is a super-hero free, realistic world. In this film, Big Daddy and Hit Girl are not known right away by the public or the main hero. The main character constantly questions why there are no real super-heroes in the world. He eventually finds out that there are 2 out there, doing a much better job than he. And yes, it's unrealistic that an 11 year old could kill a bunch of dudes with swords and guns. But people still get hurt, there are no super-powers, and it's a more grounded reality (like BB or TDK) than what you will see in X-Men or Spiderman.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Asimov fucks goats

    by The_GoatFucker

    Yes he does! He does indeed. I know!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    DKMODE does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    DKMODE, a quick question...<p> TheLastBoyScout who posted about a dozen above your first post chimes in with a rather diff opinion than your own. Nothing wrong with of course, but from what he describes would you say he has indeed seen the film?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Mark Millar

    by unnecessary_expletive

    He's the one writing these positive reviews, you know. He presented the trailer for Wanted at the Belmont Cinema in my home town and went on and on about how AWESOME and AMAZING the full film was. In reality it was a piece of turd. A big one too.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Toad, nice top five but the number one place for BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE OF ALL TIME has to go to....*drum roll*...<p> ROBOCOP. I fucking love this guy! Go Robo.<p> And don't anyone say it's not a superhero movie. How is Alex Murphy any different from Tony Stark? He wears a suit that makes him a badass (ditto The Rocketeer and Bruce Wayne). There's even a line at the shooting range when someone says "It's supercop!"<p> For me, in the comic book superhero genre - ROBOCOP remains the Rolls Royce standard that all others are judged against.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    first AICN post, hi all

    by BattleAngel29A

    Hey everyone, decided to jump in the fray here. I love Kick-Ass as a comic and am glad the reviews seem to confirm my hopes for the movie in terms of the warmth, irreverence, and blending of various awesome genres. Will it be the deepest movie of all time? Probably not, but I'm looking forward to seeing it. Nic Cage has blown in a huge percentage of his roles, but he's a weird, compelling figure and for some reason I can imagine him in this role. He's at his best when he's playing someone truly bizarre... because I could never believe him as anyone even remotely normal or sane. Lord of War was pretty good though, right?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Plus

    by unnecessary_expletive

    <p> Any reviewers should ask themselves honestly; is this film really better than the original Superman? REALLY? Better than The Dark Knight? REALLY?! </p> <p> I doubt it's better than the Hulk television series.</p>

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    TheDestroyerOfWorlds

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    wtf are you talking about? Bruce knew Joe Chill killed his parents from day 1! Why do you think people were so pissed at Burton for making the Joker the killer? <P> People bitching about TDK need to chill out and take a closer look at the film.. or look at their own DVD collections and realize that the copies of REDLINE and EXTREME OPS they have sitting there are a good sign they wouldn't/couldn't appreciate a good film like TDK anyways.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    i too have issues with TDK

    by Miguel De Barioz

    I too have issues with TDK (The Dark Night). Firstly it does not follow the chronological order of the previous films - Alfred is suddenly better, Comodore Scmidlap knows where the batcave is, no Robin (I suppose he has gone to live with Autie). This English director has fucked with us all man! Why does this Limey take a great idea like TDK (the dark night) and chuck out all the good stuff from before. My uncle, he loves the music - no fucking music at all man! We call English men like him El Bolicios (men who forget where they come from) - we have two in our village. I hope that BCB (batman comes back) gets made soon by an american or a mexican or a chinaman but not an englishman. Excelsior!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Shogun you are right

    by Miguel De Barioz

    Again we all knew that Jack Napier kills Batmans Mama and Papa - who the fuck was he trying to kid eh?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    If you prefer the celluloid version of AIDS known as WANTED to TDK, well... then I just feel sad for you and no insult I could dream of could possibly embarrass you more than you already have by speaking those words.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Miguel De Barioz

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    "Again we all knew that Jack Napier kills Batmans Mama and Papa - who the fuck was he trying to kid eh?" <P> uh... what?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Miguel, does anyone have a fucking clue what you're babbling about? Comodore Scmidlap? Wtf? 'Batman comes back' to be made by a chinaman?? You lost me.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The Biggest Indication KICK-ASS Will Tank...

    by Grinning White Skull

    ...is that more is being argued and debated here about SUCCESSFUL comic book films than about KICK-ASS. There is no burning desire to see nor any awareness about this film except by the very small amount of geeks that read the mediocre comic book. TheLastBoyScout has seen it and gives probably the most honest review of the film while DKMODE gives this revealing bit, "There was never any of those boring dialogue sequences that you saw repeatedly in the Spiderman and Batman films..." So really all he cares about is the action not character or human interaction. One of THE supreme moments in the history of all superhero comic books is the scene in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN # 33 where Spider-Man is pinned under tons of wrecked machinery and spends several pages engaging in his own inner dialog to find the will to lift this massive weight off his back so he can both live and save Aunt May. Straining inch by inch to just get leverage Parker/Spider-Man "fights" like never before (or since) against himself as much as the life and death task he has to overcome. Yeah. Those boring dialog moments in a superhero story are why you shouldn't have them in a film with the title, KICK-ASS, and why from this review by DKMODE (who works at a production company and even reads/reviews scripts as you can tell by this keenly insightful coverage) we have such stellar films from Lionsgate and other "knowing" companies like..."THE SPIRIT". The more I see the more I realize how frightfully desperate Lionsgate is to find an audience for "KICK-ASS".

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    getting in on the Nolan/Batman thread...

    by BattleAngel29A

    Anyway... I just wanted to really get in the mix of this Dark Knight/Batman Begins sub-thread. Waiting for Batman Begins is what started me off reading internet movie news, and I remember really freaking how when I saw it opening night at an IMAX theater in NYC. My brother and I really bonded over the anticipation for and presentation of that movie. I really loved Memento, and consider it one of the most affecting movies I've ever seen, but Insomnia made me nervous... to me, it was Hollywood experimenting with using "art" to sell cheap thrills. Still, Nolan's interesting use of time-manipulation and odd, effecting visuals was in full effect. The first thing I noticed about Batman Begins, was the absence of a memorable or even remotely dynamic score. I'm not the kind of guy who has any super-fandom of the Keaton era Batman, although I can rewatch those movies just fine. I can see why others would hate those films, but the orchestral music was so interesting and beautiful. This might be overly hyperbolic, but that '89 Batman score is a truly inspired piece of orchestral music. A similarly inspired score was the one thing I was hoping would be retained... so much can be said with a masterpiece of composition. The lack of a memorable score was the only flaw of Batman Begins that I really noticed upon first viewing. I was not one of the people who thought the Bale voice was stupid - the "Do I look like a cop????" scene in particular, I thought was great. There was an amazing psychedelic vibe- Scarecrow was much more horrifying in his human visage, madness lurking just below the surface of an attractive face... I thought it was an interesting analog to Patrick Bateman in a way. The scene of Batman viewed through the eyes of the drug-affected Scarecrow was just so inventive and horrifying. It felt like a daring take on Batman. Shortly after seeing it again on the small screen, I got less and less stoked about the movie. Not because I wanted to be cool and bash it, but because I started to realize that I really could not connect with the movie emotionally. More and more, the movie took on that hollow feeling I first glimpsed in the theater when I noticed the lack of an inspiring score. The 'cold' vibe others have mentioned. I had a feeling TDK would have this in greater doses, and I was not incorrect. I saw the film in IMAX opening night, sitting on a bunch of crap me and another random fan stole from a storage closet. I was blown away by the film, and came home ranting to my girlfriend that I think I had just seen our generation's "The Godfather." For one, Heath Ledger was perfect. The cinematography was amazing, and I felt Two Face was handled very well. But upon second viewing, it really didn't hold up. It became totally obvious that the movie hung entirely on Heath Ledger, and even then, we have to admit that some of that power came from the fact that we all were experiencing his last major work. There's no doubt that The Joker in this movie is very close to deserving all the praise that has been heaped upon him, but there is room for debate if you want to go there. The movie that exists below Heath's performance just struck me as entirely hollow. The cell-phone technology thing, which I understand is a crucial component in the post-9/11 theme, is just one geeky example of what seemed to mark a return to the ridiculousness of the early 90s batman movies. I've kind of hated the movie ever since that second viewing... ...until I sat through it again on the small screen the other day. It's a solid flick. It's "catchy" so to speak - you really do feel like you are watching something familiar, compelling, and totally classic. Is it a perfect movie? Not by any stretch of the imagination. Besides The Joker, you can pick just about any element of the movie and tear it apart if you really want to... but one thing that is undeniable, is that it IS a true classic. Like it or not, it is a movie that embodies a whole generation of energy and attention. You can't pin that just on Heath Ledger, and you can't pin it on Chris Nolan, just like you can't pin all the flaws on Christian Bale (who, imho, could be doing SO much with this awesome role) or the screenplay... there is an x-factor at work here that made this film a true classic. It could have been a flawless classic, but even with a lot of crapitude, it's still a movie that gets totally stuck in your head and has so much to debate. There are movies which are just OBVIOUSLY bad with no room for rich debate - Hancock for example. TDK is a dense work worthy of pondering. ...but so is the original Tim Burton Batman. Seriously, there are some elements of that film which are just SO interesting. To me, that was the most realistic Batman. He was really a Mike Bloomberg type, he looked sorta like a Shmo as Bruce Wayne and was a total nerd, with that collection of ridiculous armor. But he was so believable as an eccentric billionare genius... and he was a clumsy-ass fighter who was extremely reliant on gadgets, which would be realistic. He almost treated Batman like an all-consuming hobby, a way for him to work out the anger in his warped brain... maybe even a way to keep himself from becoming a maniac villain. And the scene where Bruce goes "You wanna get nuts??? Let's get nuts!!!!" - he doesn't need the Joker to be saying "you're just a FREAK like me! hehehehe"... Bruce Wayne KNOWS he's a fucked-up freak. In that movie, Albert even has a sort of glazed-over personality that someone like him might take on when watching his ward develop into a sociopath. If that movie had been made today, with the slickness and quality available to a director like Nolan, it would have been Iron Man on steroids.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    Commodore Schmidlap was the Penguin in disguise in the '66 Batman movie. Batman gassed him and took him to the batcave, where after asking for a glass of water, Penguin reanimates 6 or so DEHYDRATED thugs with "hard water" to fight Batman and Robin. <P> Hilarity ensues. <P> And for the record, I love the Adam West Batman.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Shogun, ah I see. Maybe there's a method to Miguel's madness after all!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by Miguel De Barioz

    BCB (Batman Comes Back) is the final part of the septology that I have written - I have posted a copy to Stan Lee on the 15th of August last year. Possible new casting: Batman:CGI Bruce Wayne: Guy from MadMan Girlfriend: Julia Roberts Penguin: Dan Shanks Riddler : Jim Carrey.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    BattleAngel. Paragraph breaks friend...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...just looking at that hurts my eyes...let alone reading it.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    BattleAngel, it's cool that you're a new poster but you might like to use paragraph breaks.<p> Simply hitting enter between lines doesn't register on this site so you need to do this < p > (but without the spaces either side of the p).<p> btw I agree with you about Batman's face viewed through the eyes of the drug-effected Scarecrow, fantastic moment.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    BattleAngel

    by Miguel De Barioz

    Fuck me man - you are a real bookworm - I don't know how you can write so much. I do not understand a word of it but it looks real complictico.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    BattleAngel

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    "sitting on a bunch of crap me and another random fan stole from a storage closet" <P> Fuck the Batman analysis, continue with that story.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Bales Batman voice....

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..is indefensable. The Dark Knight is a great film. Genius even. But that greatness is mostly due to the script and Heath Ledger. Bales voice on the other hand, was very unfortunate. <p> They dropped the ball. Nolan didn't get what Paul Dini and Bruce Timm knew: Batman is the real persona and Bruce Wayne's is the mask. The brooding, tense, obsessive compulsive with the deep voice IS Bruce Wayne. Bruce isn't changing his persona when he's Batman, he's being himself. He's only allowed to be himself in front of Alfred and when he's Batman. Nolan should have told Bale to find a deeper voice he's comfortable with as Batman and when alone with Alfred, and switch to a higher octave when he's Bruce wayne in public. <p> Instead we got this forced, grating voice that gets sillier to listen to the more he talks. It really got annoying when the scene called for extended dialogue. Bad choice that.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    holy hell, sorry about that

    by BattleAngel29A

    haha, thanks for being so kind guys! Looking at my post formatted like that makes me feel violated. Massive apologies all! <p> Thanks for the head's up!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    DKMODE...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...you are so full of shit. If you were so attuned to the pitfalls of plantism you wouldn't have fallen victim to them so astoundingly easy. Your defense post is just a bad attempt at damage control.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Cobra Kai

    by DKMODE

    Yes, it looks like Last Boy Scout has seen the film. But I can rebut some of the critiques, and I'm not sure what's making him so upset about them. the Hero "Kick-Ass" does disappear when it explores the subplot of Big Daddy and Hit Girl. Not for long stretches. Maybe a couple minutes here and there. At first we have no idea how this subplot ties in to Kick-Ass's A plot, but it all does tie together nicely and they do meet up near the end of the 1st act or beginning 2nd act. Then he says that the hero gets hit by a car and in the next scene he's fine. Uh, I'm actually not sure if he did see the film. After he's hit, we see him in an ambulance, bloodied up. Then we see him taken through a hospital corridor, bloodied up. Then there's a cut (presumably through TIME!!!) in the hospital bed, looking at his x-rays of all the metal work put into his body. His eyes are blood shot, and we can assume this is some amount of time later! In his 3rd paragraph, he references how the film doesn't follow up on the kid jumping off the building in the opening shot. Uh, it was a sight gag! Not a relevant character that should be followed up on. Lemme explain. We open on top of a skyscraper and see the back of a super hero about to "fly". As we hear our hero talking about being the first super-hero, we assume it's him about to jump and fly. Then the camera follows this super-hero as he flies off the building- right on top of a taxi cab to his death. The Hero's VO says something about how that wasn't him who just died, but some Armenian guy with mental problems. The audience was cracking up, and nobody expected to follow up on that particular scene or character. It was just a clever opening. The gangsters were not awful. The lead gangster (mark strong) is the balding Henchman from Rock N' Rolla and top security guy from Body of Lies. That guy's good. There was some funny stuff between him and the other gangsters, and with his son. I guess agree to disagree on that point, but the audience liked it enough. In his 2nd paragraph, he knocks me for saying it's a super-hero free world. Well it is to the public. Nobody knows anything about Big Daddy and Hit Girl until the last act of the film. I will agree that the drawings that Nic Cage does in his lair don't end up meaning anything. A guy in the theater told me that the drawings do figure into the comic-book, but not in the movie. I'll concede that was a bit weird. Plot threads are not left dangling- especially with the girlfriend. We see them together after the climax. Overall, this was not a piece of dog shit. T4 is not in the ballpark of this film. This is a feel-good, asskicking movie. T4 was competent, maybe decent, but a drab and depressing experience. Apples and orangatangs. To answer your question, he may have seen the film, but it sounds like he may have been confused about a few points and got angry. Or he's from a rival studio. I don't know why people hate good stuff.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, you fucking cunt.

    by DocPazuzu

    You managed to bring up Star Trek in this talkback, too, even though nobody mentioned it. That's talkback trollism of the highest order. Star Trek 2009 is your LIFE. You should get down on your knees and thank Abrams for giving you a reason to live. <p> Hey, AICN, how much more of this do we have to put up with before you ban this fucker again? Jesus...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    My only issue with TDK

    by AsimovLives

    is that it wasn't 3 hours long. Good movies are never too long. Good movies are always too short.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Kaitain

    "What this The Dark Knight and spider-Man 2 bashers resent is that those two comic book movies tried and did their best to be smart and intelligent movies. " <p> I'm not going to bash Spider-Man 2, as it's a solid 6/10 movie, but it just isn't entertaining enough. My biggest problem with it is that you have too much sympathy for Octavius. Raimi has in general veered too much towards the "tragic villain" angle, but S-M 2 really does take it too far. <p> Its set-pieces just aren't good enough, and it isn't funny enough. <p> As for the idea that I would resent "smart and intelligent movies", not guilty, m'lud. I can't stand brainless action movies (brainless usually means tedious) but S-M 2 just ends up as a bit of a grind at times, rather than being smart AND engaging. (And it hardly requires Mensa membership to appreciate its themes; I suspect you are overrating it quite a bit in that regard.)

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks Cobra, and Dirk

    by toadkillerdog

    Cobra- as for Robo. Yes, he is a Super Hero by any definition and thus should be included in the discussion. Obviously the nitpickers will say he is not a comic book adaptation, but so what? <p> So as for where I would rank Robo on my list: I would have to bump Spidey 2 and rank Robo in fifth place. <p> Of course it is all subjective!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Too long, too short

    by Kaitain

    "is that it wasn't 3 hours long. Good movies are never too long. Good movies are always too short." <p> Perhaps their relative shortness is part of the thing that makes them good, and although your instinct is to want more, the director is doing exactly the right thing by not giving you what you (think) you want.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    @ Anakin's Diapers

    by BattleAngel29A

    The psychology in the Nolan movies is just really under-developed and shallow. <p>That works for The Joker, who is intentionally vague and anomalous in this vision, but Batman just seems horribly underdeveloped... or thoroughly developed as an extremely shallow guy.<p> Batman puts it best himself by saying that "hockey pads" are all that separates him from those annoying vigilantes... except those guys are really risking their lives. <p> Nolan's Batman is somewhere between an extreme sport with which Bruce Wayne is obsessed and almost innocently dallying with, and a very poorly conceived idealist crusader. What I like about the Burton/Keaton Batman is that he is pretty clearly a disturbed personality with a violent fetish... sort of like a stock broker who all day long is dreaming about visiting the 19 year old hooker who is going to tie him up and insert a dozen eggs up his ass. <p> The Burton Bruce Wayne is an eccentric billionare for whom Batman is the fetish fantasy he dreams about all day long. Batman's voice reflects that. That character really felt fully fleshed out, aware of his own crippling bizareness. To me, the only gaping flaw of Burton's Batman is Napier as the killer of his family... sort of hamstrings the psychology of Batman as an abstract vigilante by making things too person. <p> In a way, that flaw is what fueled the reboot because it was inevitable that a purer, ideological interaction between Batman and The Joker would have to be shown on screen. I like Christian Bale and do think that a modern day Batman could likely go as far as to disguise his voice, but if he was going to do that, he would also probably wear an Iron Man style helmet that concealed his mouth - the only identifiably human part of his costume.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    ...toadkiller's list surprises me...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm not a huge superhero or comic book fan, but here are the movies I would gladly see again...in no particular order.<P>THE TOXIC AVENGER, SIN CITY, the original SUPERMAN, DARKMAN, Burton's BATMAN movies, both HULK movies, IRON MAN, CONAN THE BARBARIAN (not sure it counts), ROBOCOP (might not count either), UNBREAKABLE, the first HELLBOY, and of course, SHEENA.<P>The SPIDERMAN movies are pretty much unwatchable...I can't seem to sit through them. <P>The first forty five minutes of the first X-MET were pretty cool...but that's about it. <P>BLADE? Maybe I need to see it again, but it didn't even register at the time.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Doctor Pazazu

    by DKMODE

    You got me. I thought if I didn't post any actor's names, or use "white-knuckle ride," that I would be fine. I should have maybe put in a few more spelling errors, and used more LOL's and ROTFL's. that's what the kiddies say. LOLOW! Why I'm I arguing with people on the innernette?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Doctor Pazazu

    by DKMODE

    You got me. I thought if I didn't post any actor's names, or use "white-knuckle ride," that I would be fine. I should have maybe put in a few more spelling errors, and used more LOL's and ROTFL's. that's what the kiddies say. LOLOW! Why I'm I arguing with people on the innernette?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    ..."X-MET"?

    by FlickaPoo

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Top 6 Super Hero movies - had to add one more

    by toadkillerdog

    1) Blade - It had it all. A kick ass opening - the best ever for a SH movie. A great and short origin recap. A compelling story and plot, with well written dialogue. Fantastic performances by the leads. And almost non-stop action. <p> 2) X-2 - Yes, it was Wolvie centric - so was the comic. Deal with it. Jackman was fantastic. Great secondary characters led by Nightcrawler and Pyro. Great plot and action. Ending was iffy. Wolvie in tears was hard to accept though. But did not detract from movie. <p> 3) The Dark Knight - Heath Ledger. Owned it. Demolished it. Was the sole reason it is this high. The single greatest portrayal of any character in an SH movie. Bale was his usual bland and annoying voiced self. He did not detract from the movie, but he added very little. The true reason this movie does not rate higher though was inane and unnecessary plot twist's and lazy writing. Nolan had an agenda - White Knight vs Dark Knight, and no amount of common sense was going to get in the way. The completely unnecessary plot point of Batman taking the blame for the killings was just motarded. There was a witness that Two face killed the cop - the Bartender. And even if he did not come forward, the killings could have been blamed on Joker, or left unsolved. Just dumb. And will not mention the helicopter not spotting the road black, or the hospital evacuation. Nope, not gonna. <p> 4) Iron Man - I had this rated above TDK when it first came out, and honestly I can make the case that it is slightly better or just as good, but will give nod to TDK because of Heath. RDJ was a revelation. IM is my favorite comic book SH of all time. So I had high hopes for this movie, and it mostly lived up to them. Dynamite opening and origin. RDJ nailed Stark. The effects were great - except for that tank scene. Great story and direction. The secondary characters were great- although I hated Howard's too soft voice. The armor was outstanding. The action was great until the end. Just fell apart with the Obie in armor. Felt rushed and not very well thought through. Almost undid all the greatness that most of the movie attained. <p> 5) Robocop - Thanks to Cobra for reminding me about this movie. Not that I forgot, but just did not include him as an SH. Robo was outstanding. Great action and mayhem. Excellent characters and performances. Only two things about Robo bring it down to this point on the list for me. The campy dialogue and predictable storyline. And the truly horrible 'microphone' robot.<p> 6)Spiderman 2 -Everything that the limp first move was not. Great story. Great villain. And involving and well thought out characters and action. This was the way Spiderman was meant to be. It does move a little slow at times, and that is what keeps it from true greatness. That and snaggle tooth. <p>

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Superman The Movie

    by lockesbrokenleg

    is still the best, and not even TDK can top that one. TDK needed some severe editing to make it number one for me. I loved it, but it went on too damn long.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    ...and about Nolan't BATMAN movies, I can see that...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...they have merit...but I just don't care. TDK in particular...I can see that it's probably very good, but god is it dull and just no fun. I can't imagine I'll ever see it again.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    X-2

    by Kaitain

    Final reel was seriously crap. Also, I felt that X-2 borrowed rather too obviously from Wrath of Khan. Substitute "The Once and Future King" for "A Tale of Two Cities", and Jean Grey for Spock, sacrificing herself to save the ship (but being destined to be resurrected). <p> First half of the movie was good, though.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    All the X Men films are overhyped garbage

    by lockesbrokenleg

    2 barely passes as a actual movie. But 1 and 3 do not stand on their own.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Flicka

    by toadkillerdog

    I had the first Hellboy ranked just below Spidey 2. As for THE TOXIC AVENGER - well it was funny Troma, but it does not rate high with me.<p> SIN CITY - only Marv made an impact with me. But it was one helluva impact. It might rate in top 20.<p> The original SUPERMAN. I saw it in original release as a child. I was underwhelmed and a bit disappointed then and I remain so. Reeve and Hackman were awesome. The story tried for epic granduer, but it fell flat. I rank Superman II ahead of it, somewhere out of top ten maybe 12 or 13. DARKMAN. An under appreciated flick. It is far down but in top 20. Burton's BATMAN movies. The first one, while it had a great performance from Keaton (who to this day is the best Bruce Wayne - notice I did not say Batman), was far too uneven. The second batman was good. Def. a top 20. Ang Lee HULK. Just too boring. A supergero flick should have action and adventure. Yes, a great story is also necessary, but showing a dude turning green because he has daddy issues, well it just put me off. Frenchy Hulk. had lots of action. But still felt lightweight. But I liked it better than Ang Lee Hulk. neither in top 20. <p>CONAN THE BARBARIAN. It counts. Loved it. Itis in top 20. Maybe 14.<p> UNBREAKABLE. Bored me for the most part. M. Night trying to be twisty again. If he had told a straight forward super hero movie, it might have worked better. It is not a bad movie, but not in my top 20. <p> SHEENA. Nice ass.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    At least Asimov can back up his opinion of Trek

    by MattmanBegins

    with logic and reasoning. Dark Knight haters ain't got shit on that movie. "It's too long!" Not for people who liked it. "It's poorly edited!" Actually it's one of the most meticulously edited movies I've seen in years. "The plot is jumbled!" No, the plot is dense, like a good novel, and you had trouble keeping up. "Christian Bale is a horrible actor!" On what planet? Not this one. "The plot twists were unnecessary!" How so? Again, no evidence is provided to back this statement up. I'd hate to see your version of the movie, devoid of plot twists and surprise.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    @Mattman

    by BattleAngel29A

    "It's poorly edited!" Actually it's one of the most meticulously edited movies I've seen in years. <--- sorry this is just not true. The first scene in the makeshift batcave alone is rife with editing inconsistencies when Wayne & Alfred are conversing. Look at the way Bale's position - especially his head - shifts in impossible ways during the conversation - obvious, obvious editing problems. They persist throughout the entire picture. Do they sink the picture? No, but they are just one of many, many things which you can justifiably find fault with.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    err...

    by BattleAngel29A

    sorry I meant to comment on that: Just watch the first scene in the makeshift batcave. Bruce/Alfred's conversation is very poorly edited - just watch Bale's body and especially head positions shift impossibly mid-conversation. These inconsistencies persist throughout the film. Do they sink the picture? No, but they are one of many things which you can take legitimate fault with.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    BattleAngel... I ASSumed the editing comment

    by MattmanBegins

    was referring to the way the film was edited as a whole. The story. The way the film builds. Not some minor editing flaw that you will find in EVERY MOVIE. You cannot name a movie that does not have a person shifting position from one edit to another at some point or another.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    toadkiller, fair enough...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I saw SUPERMAN as a little kid too...I think it's the second live action movie I saw (after STAR WARS). <P>If CONAN counts then it might be number one for me in this genre...saw it again just recently, and it's so much better than it has any business being.<P> I mention SHEENA with my tongue firmly planted in her cheeks.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    MattmanBegins

    by toadkillerdog

    Dude, look I do not have a problem with Asi, but no way is he backing up his subjective opinion with logic and reasoning. It is just pure hatred. So, when you use him as a yardstick to question others problems with Dark Knight - you remove any credibility you may have had.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Attention:TKD and D.VADER

    by whateverworks

    that link doesn't work. Try this one instead. http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv92/MixedMartialArts03/weigh-ins.gif It should work!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Random Burton Batman thought...

    by HarryCalder

    After reading some of this hilarious talkback, had to weigh in with this: On Halloween, was at a party with many young children in tow, and after the neighborhood harassment walk, a bunch of us settled in to watch the end of Batman Returns on the ABC Family channel, I believe. And I was stunned. It looked ridiculous, really terrible. I LOVED the two Burton Bat movies, when they came out. But today, they look just silly. Nolan destroyed those movies for me.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    TKD

    by DocPazuzu

    Excellent list! I have no objections. Sterling performance. The way Blade handled the origin should be de rigeur for those kinds of movies--at the very least when it comes to second-tier characters in the DC and Marvel pantheon.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    @mattman

    by BattleAngel29A

    haha I guess that moments always just stick with me, like Ellie Sadler leaning over to get a scoop of ice cream that is 3 or 4 armslengths away. No doubt, you'll find it in any movie, I was just responding to its being one of the most meticulous edits in years. <p>I will agree, it is extremely dense like a good novel. There's a ton to love about the movie, but it's really not without fault, and I think you can make reasonable, well backed up complaints about it... just like you can do with any movie. <p> I think a lot of people who are bitching about it are doing so actually because of how much Nolan gets RIGHT. With so much right, the details become so much more precious. And sometimes those pesky "details" are a compelling & fleshed out psychology of the lead players, otherwise the picture is just a totally symbolic "statement movie" where the meaning takes place on a very macro level.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Also, Unbreakable is M. Night's best film HANDS DOWN

    by HarryCalder

    I'd forgotten that you can qualify that one as a comic book movie. One of Willis' best performances ever, too.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    ...my first problem with TDK is that Batman was hardly...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...in it. My second problem is that it's just soooo serious. Not dark, or angry...serious.<P>I also didn't care for the fact that it's neither fish nor fowl. It's really just a cop movie with an eccentrically dressed protagonist and villain. The problem is that as a straight cop movie it isn't nearly as sophisticated as people make it out to be, and as a superhero movie it wasn't very much fun. <P> It's like you ask for a Snickers bar and you get an overcooked steak. People tell you that it's much more nutritious than a candy bar...but it's a second rate steak and not nearly as addictive as a Snickers. <P>Lastly, I wasn't very emotionally involved. I'd have to go back and watch it a bunch of times to figure out why and I don't really feel like doing that so I'll leave it alone. <P>The Joker kicked ass.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Thanks DocP!

    by toadkillerdog

    Blade is the Gold Standard for me in how an origin movie and a super hero movie in general should be made.<p> I love a great plot and story with involving characters - that is a must. But what too many directors and writers in the is genre forget, is that tehy are doing a SuperHero movie! Action and advernture are what people are paying and wnating to see. Not two hours of someone moping over his ex girlfriend who ditched him for his father's mutant green poodle after he left the planet for five years and no one noticed that he returns the same time as the ace reporter does who shows up wearing purple pants that must be from another planet because they do not bust at the seems when he gets a big green krystal like hardon that weakens him so much that a two bit white castle employee can kick his ass and make him cry for daddy who abused him and gave him nightmares. <p> No.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it but...the love for BLADE here...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...eludes me. I suppose it's a decent action/horror (eh...superhero?) film but I've never been impressed by it. I don't know...maybe I missed something and need to watch it again...but I really have no desire to.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    LONG LIVE ANG LEE'S HULK!!!

    by HoboCode

    And Superman Returns.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    DKMODE, thanks for the reply... <p>While I think you've probably gone a bit too far with 'the best superhero movie of all time' stuff in relation to KICK ASS it's nice to have a reviewer that also wades in on the tb - something which the likes of Beaks and co are rarely brave enough to do, so good for you.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "My second problem is that it's just soooo serious."<P>Why so serious?<P>Heh. Sorry, couldn't pass that one up.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    ...I'm ashamed to admit that wasn't intentional...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I am fucking slipping.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    there is no Dark Knight backlash. don't worry

    by donduck

    With any movie, there's always people with different opinions but the general consenus is that it's a well made movie. Don't worry people. Besides, this is the internet: nothing is sacred.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Oh no, I lost credibility with a talkbacker!

    by MattmanBegins

    I might as well just kill myself now.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Wait! There's people out there that LIKED Blade?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    come on. Blade was what it was..

    by donduck

    a fun goofy movie that simply worked.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    ...I guess I'm going to have to see BLADE again...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm feeling very confused. And angry. And a little scared...<P> Talkback used to make a certain demented kind of sense. Now I'm not so sure...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Blade was unlucky enough to come out right before...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..the Matrix. That really hamstrung the film from achieving reknown among the public consciousness. Blade had one of the most insane openings of any action picture, and it was the first superhero movie to really adapt what superhuman combat - the one man army - would look like. <p> While the Matrix had Neo and the rest decimating "normals", Blade was walking thru supernaturals in hand to hand combat,in a mosh pit of destruction.<p> In fact, no superhero film has done that since. I'm hoping if Genndy Tartakovsky is indeed doing storyboards for Iron Man 2, we will see some batshit combat sequences.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Flickapoo, Batman's serious in the comics

    by MattmanBegins

    He's not angry. (Unless he's Frank Miller's latest incarnation). He's serious and collected, and he adopts an angry manner when trying to scare the shit out of thugs, but he's NOT ACTUALLY ANGRY. Nor should he be. The thing is, TDK nailed the character as he is consistently in the comics of the last 30 or so years. That may not be the version of Batman you like, which is fine, but I personally think that's the best and most true incarnation.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Thats because The Dark Knight is about Gotham City

    by IndustryKiller!

    And how Batman shapes the world around him. Part of the brilliance of that film is how every character playing a completely different role in Gotham gets their moment. No one is left behind. THe film is really about Batman, The Joker, Harvey Dent, and Jim Gordon equally and it's a better film for it. Batman isn't always the central focus because that's simply not the story Nolan is telling. I can see being frustrated about that as a Batman fan but I think the blame falls more on the shoulders of batman Begins than the Dark Knight. That was the film that was actually supposed to explore the character of Bruce Wayne, but instead it wastes time on a pathetically abbreviated origin and meaningless logistics about how he gets this or that gadget to flesh out the "realism" and heavy handed themes of fear as a symbol. Begins should have been the Batman film, if it had done so it would have complimented TDK brilliantly, but instead I have to pretend like Begins doesn't exist, fuck you Goyer.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    This is the best thread...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...actually regarding geek movies, that I've read in a while. I mean where else are you gonna see Lockes actually write "I loved it." Just kidding, Lockes, I don't want to mess up the no-hitter going on here. <p> I'm going to suggest that there are two different categories for judging superhero movies: good portrayals of origins, and actual quality in an overall three-act structure. Spider-Man, for instance... great origin set-up and characterization, but loses it with the Green Goblin showdown in the third act. Same with Iron Man, they nail the set-up but blow it with a typical slugfest with a bigger version of the hero for the final fight. I'd say that for whatever it's problems (some of which have been legitimately discussed here already), TDK had the most satisfying overall story, trusting the audience to remember the origin, with the ending being the biggest payoff rather than the usual superhero story stumbling block. I'd say Blade was a good mix of concise/well told origin and overall story, but it's really the action (and attitude) that saves the ending, as it's mostly the same old "apocalypse monster gets punched out" as everything else. <p> I'd also like to suggest Constantine for the decent pile... I was prepared to hate it based on Keanu alone, but he was actually good in the role, and they did a great job setting up the "feel" of a supernaturally complicated L.A. without making it hokey or explaining too much. Also it's the one Shia role that I think he really nailed, including the little twist at the end. Hate on, if you will, but I'm sticking to my statement on that.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Also Flickapoo, I thought Batman had a lot of screen time

    by MattmanBegins

    But he's more of a presence in this movie. He's always in the background. I personally dig that. I love the scene where Gordon and Dent are arguing, and Batman is simply standing there, and doesn't talk until they turn to him. THAT'S Batman.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    ...MattmanBegins...I'm a casual Batman fan, so...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I can't claim expertise. As a movie lover I still think it sits uncomfortably in limbo. Any episode of THE WIRE is a better cop drama, and as a superhero movie it didn't have enough action.<P> I completely understand fans feeling love and relief at finally getting an intelligent and well crafted movie though...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    the Joker scenes were the best part of TDK

    by Spazatronik2000

    The story and dialogue (which was a bit dull in parts) when there was no joker could have been tightened up a bit. It's not perfect, but a powerful bit of cinema nonetheless.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    my view on Spider-Man 1

    by donduck

    I like Spider-Man 1; I think it's very non-cynical optimismtic movie and I think because it came out a year after 9/11 helped. Helped me any way. but I think it fell apart in the third act (it felt rushed). But I always give it break because there was no prior templete to go by besides Superman, Burton's Batman and maybe Singer's X1.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    about Batman

    by donduck

    People can go "That's not my Batman" or "That is the definite Batman". <p> I just wanna say that's why people love Batman: he and along with his world is completely versatile.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I will say Bale has been a slight disappointment

    by IndustryKiller!

    And I think it's the reason why a lot of people piss on him lately, because he is otherwise an objectively excellent actor. But he does play Batman as too angry. Not to say Batman isn't angry, but he's driven by his anger, he channels it, he doesn't show it to every two bit hood. I also think, and this is probably as much the script of begins' fault, that he lacks the tragic sense of loneliness that Bruce Wayne needs to be fully fleshed out. This is a guy who is basically in perpetual mourning for the family he was denied, and because he has never dealt with the loss of his parents it's consumed and driven him to become this almost other worldly being, completely unable to establish normal relationships. It should never be overt, but it should at least be behind the eyes, rather than a sort of constant scowl. If there is one way Dark Knight truly failed its not in the last act with Two Face, thats more a missed opportunity than a bad sequence, it's in not showing how the loss of Rachel would be the final brick entombing him to a life as Batman. Not showing, even in a simple unspoken moment, how in that moment he probably realized everything he ever loves will go away and being completely unable to deal with that in any way except to harden himself completely into this demigod personal savior.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Constantine would be an ok movie..

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..if it wasn't called Constantine. Giving John Constantine a supernatural origin and linking him directly with christianity annoyed me to no end. The movie should not have been limited to that one aspect - angels and demons. And i think it takes away from the character when you give him superhuman abilities that is NOT THE RESULT of his own arcanist knowledge. What makes Constantine cool is that it's his intellect and manipulations that get him thru. He isn't special because of inborn powers.<p> ..and pissing on Dracula, pissing on Dracula is cool.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Bale works well as a character actor

    by donduck

    When Bale plays it straight, he lacks the humanity and charm to be the 'everyday' man or whatever. <b> Not to say he's a bad actor.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Kaitain

    by AsimovLives

    I do think in some stories, it's important that you have sympathy for the vilain. A tragic villain can make things more interesting, and makes the drama more intense. I applaude the decision in making Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2 a sympathetic villain. Makes the movie have a more sophisticated nature then what would be just a punch-fiest. Who says you can't like the villains too?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Doc Ock

    by donduck

    Was great in Spider-Man 2 and I still think he's been the best Spidey film baddie thus far.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    ...I have to agree about Bale. I really like Bale, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I just feel nothing for his Bruce Wayne or Batman.<P>I have more affection and respect for the old Bruce Wayne in BATMAN BEYOND than I do for the Nolan version.<P> I don't hate him or anything...he just leaves me cold.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    All the Spider Man's are fucking great

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I've watched them all many times, and I still don't get tired of them. It's a perfect trilogy.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    RE: Constantine for the decent pile...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yeah, I'll second that. It's not a great film per se but it has definitely grown on me. In fact, I think the movie is effectively saved and kicked-up a notch by the appearance of Peter Stormare during the final sequence. When "The Mare" shows up as Satan to collect Constantine, the film immediately goes from "Meh" to "Awesome!". He totally rules in those last 10 minutes.<P>"Whattya want? Extension?"<P>Love that line.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    ...I want a just Peter Stormare SATAN movie...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...Swinton as Gabriel can show up too.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    constantine

    by donduck

    wasn't that bad at all.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Stormare improves anything.

    by ebonic_plague

    Forgot to mention him but he could drop into almost any movie for just a second like that and improve it, like Bridges as the Dude. Tilda Swinton as Gabriel had a unique kind of sweet menace to her that I doubt anyone else could have done half as well. Also good was the guy with the crazy eyes who plays the priest. Hell even Mr. Stefani was decent. I wish more movies would just immerse you into a supernatural world like that without killing it with needless exposition. Though, I generally like Rachel Weisz but her entire twin sister/spear of destiny plot thread kinda bored me.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Adam West, Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Christian Bale.<p> Personally for me Bale's been in my two favorite BATMAN movies and he remains my favorite portrayal of the character.<p> donduck says 'he lacks the humanity and charm' I 100% agree. In fact that's the main reason his portrayl of Batman works for me. He should be isolated. He should be distant. He should be a psychopath 'for good'.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Great comic movies predated 2000 you know

    by Immortal_Fish

    I don't see much talk here about comic flicks that predated 2000. This betrays the demo of the TB crowd here.<P>The Crow relished in mood and angst better than any of the Batfilms ever did, including TDK. Try and convince me that Lee's scene in the warehouse confronting the various gangs wasn't a precursor to Ledger's making a pencil disappear. If it weren't for the former, we'd likely not have had the latter.<P>What about capturing the sense of wonder? Rocketeer had that in spades. It's one of the very few comic flicks that I forgive for departing from the source material so heavily. Similarly, the Mask. Overlooked, I presume, since it was a Carrey vehicle, yet it was only his second after Ace.<P>Anyone remember Creepshow? If Conan and Unbreakable count as comic movies, then this counts too. One of the best LOOKING comic adaptations ever, with Sin City, Ang Lee's Hulk, and Burton's Batman close behind.<P>What about Carpenter's Swamp Thing? Yeah, it was made on the cheap and looks it, but consider the year it was made. I believe the first Swamp Thing to be one of the most faithful of 4-color adaptations ever. Johnny Storm may be the best adapted character ever, but he was used in poor films. Swamp Thing is the whole package.<P>Similarly, let's not forget Ghost World. Sure, there's no spandex, but I have to say that this was THE most well cast comic adaptation this side of American Splendor.<P>I disagree about the Supes and X-Men series being great comic adaptations. While Reeve looked phenomenal, there were significant and major departures from the source material that ultimately did a disservice (unlike the Rocketeer). Singer's sequel/reboot proved how those changes weren't true to the character. Just because it was the first film that made us believe a man could fly doesn't mean that it was the cream of the crop. And yes, X-Men (along with Blade, building on the efforts of the Mask and Crow before them) helped bring comic adaptations back into the mainstream, but that doesn't mean it gets a pass as one of the greatest comic adaptations ever. Anyone that thinks Singer's X-Men was faithful to the source material simply hasn't read a single issue of the comics or they are simply in denial.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    btw I know I was rather tenuously championing ROBOCOP as a superhero movie, but others have mentioned CONAN THE BARBARIAN and I can't accept that.<p> Conan has no powers, he doesnt fight crime. He's just a tough guy with a sword. If you let Conan 'in' to the superhero club then you'd have to open the doors to Maximus and 1000 other tough-guy characters. Don't open them floodgates!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    ...I'm going to offer myself up as a human sacrifice...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...PERSEPOLIS.<P>Very good comic book movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    "Carpenter's Swamp Thing"..

    by AnakinsDiapers

    uumm, Wes Craven directed Swamp Thing, and though it was definately in the guilty pleasure it's so bad it's good category, let's not pretend it was "good" in any traditional sense.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    ...Cobra...I knew CONAN was a longshot, but it...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...was a comic book...and the movie has plenty of supernatural elements.<P>I myself only read the short stories though, so...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Damn, I knew I was gonna forget to mention Dick Tracy

    by Immortal_Fish

    Several times, I said to myself, "don't forget... don't forget..." m And I forgot.<P>What a great looking comic adaptation. The flick was okay, but it looked GREAT.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Oh, i'd give my left pinky to see a Alan Moore's..

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..Swamp Thing saga get adapted.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    AnakinsDiapers

    by Immortal_Fish

    You're correct, sir! I must have been hung up on Carpenter's squeeze being in the flick to the point where I thought he directed it. A trip to IMDB corrected that. D'oh!<P>I already mentioned that it was a small flick made on the cheap. However, I fail to see how it wasn't "good" in any traditional sense. It had a character arc. A fall and a redemption. A villain's villain. Plucky kid and busty babe. A beginning, middle, and end. It was nowhere near the "so bad it's good" level of Flash Gordon. The acting was just as good as, say, in RoboCop. In fact, both flicks used the same actor.<P>Please quantify your sanctimony.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    @Ebonic Plague

    by Rorschachian

    You're spot on. I always feel outspoken on the matter, but I will alweays and forever hold BLADE as the greatest comic cook film of all time.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Excellent choices, Immortal_Fish

    by ebonic_plague

    The Crow and The Rocketeer especially. How about Flash Gordon? If we extend the list a ways, it should rate a spot somewhere below Superman.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai, re: "Don't open them floodgates!"

    by Immortal_Fish

    The thing is, are we talking superhero adaptations or comic adaptations? One has a far wider net than the other. Regardless, on second thought, I would way, WAY place Robo in the comic genre, even though technically he first appeared in film.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Blade had some AWESOME comic conceits...

    by Immortal_Fish

    That circular room where Blade ashed up some vamps with his glaive-like weapon. The way he silently fist pumped for no reason at one point after taking a few more down. In the hospital hallway where he silently moutherd "mu..tha..FU..cka!"<P>I hadn't been so excited in the theater since Rocky 4. Certainly a moviegoing experience I remember well and enjoyed immensely!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by AsimovLives

    It's hard to say is Conan The Barbarian is a comic book movie, because the pulp novels by Robert Howard far predated the marvel comics. And Milius took his inspiration for his screenplay from the Howard's books, mostly. But the visuals are certainly inspired by the earlier The Savage Sword Of Conan comics, yes.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    The Crow is endlessly rewatchable

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Having never looked at the comic book i couldn't compare it to the source, but the movie is excellent.<p>It's a shame Lee died on that movie (although it certainly added to the tragedy of his character) as his performance elevated an already fantastic supernatural-action slice of cinema. The villains are all memorable and exceptionally cast (can you imagine anyone other than WIncott in that role now?) and Proyas does a great job at creating a world that is recognisable as our own but also heavily steeped in comic book atmosphere.<p>At its core, it's a simple revenge movie but it's one of the best out there. I also love the way in which the villain is not defeated by violence but by emotion - by pain, by sorrow and by sheer overwhelming horror at the damage he has inflicted upon the world.<p>I would watch The Crow over any of Burton's Batman movies any time.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Dick Tracy

    by donduck

    Who else thinks that Dick Tracy is damn underrated, along with The Rocketeer?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    It's hardly a "comic book movie" when the

    by Dingbatty

    comic book was created specifically to pitch a movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Batman: Arkham Asylum Game

    by Autodidact

    For my money, Batman: Arkham Asylum is the best money I have ever spent on Batman. This is coming from a guy who has literally got about $1500 worth of Batman comics, probably more. Aside from Dark Knight Returns, and the first Burton movie, never have I enjoyed anything Batman so much as that game. God it was so fucking awesome. A big muscular dude in the batsuit is your first step towards Bat-perfection. That's one reason I really don't dig Bale as Bruce Wayne. You know who should be Bruce Wayne? Aaron Eckhaardt!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Immortal_Fish you make some good points. In truth im not a comic book expert, I need my old buddies Continentalop and TedKordLives on this tb!<p> However the claim made by DKMODE in the subject header is "KICK ASS is the most entertaining comic-book movie he has ever seen!"<p> So I guess comic book it is. Dayum that means CONAN is in! And it also means DKMODE is probably full of shit!<p> Plus one point to the KICK ASS hype campaign. Minus one to reality.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Rorschachian, right on...

    by ebonic_plague

    It's heartening to see more Blade love around here. I was a big fan of the sequel, but it loses a little in complicating Blade's world with Reapers and Scuds and other indulgant Del Toro-ness... the original was elegant in it's simplicity (did I just write that about Blade? Hell why not.) <p> And Lockes I never thought I'd write this, but I agree with you completely about the Spider-Man trilogy. Maybe not the best individual superhero movies, and there are eye-rolling story decisions and casting choices, but as a trilogy, I think it works as well as I could hope. I even like the dance montage.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    ...I was feeling pulpy recently and re-read all of the CONAN...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...stories. I was horrified to learn that quite a few of my favorites were the ones by Lin Carter and DeCamp. <P>The best like RED NAILS etc... are by Howard of course, but an unacceptable number of Howard's CONAN stories are just detective stories with a demon and a sword thrown in.<P>Troubling.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Well, this is a first!

    by NoQuarter

    Media Messiah infects a TB with one of his gibbering, bat-shit crazy (no pun intended) opinions--and it actually results in an interesting discussion? Who wouldda thunk it?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Blade, Crow, and other unsung minor comic heroes in the 90s

    by Autodidact

    The first Blade movie really did do it right. Same with The Crow. Don't forget that The Mask was also technically a superhero movie, and despite the vast differences between the source and the movie, I think they got the spirit of things down and made a decent movie. While we're at it, The Shadow was also really not a bad movie, and actually did some justice to the character as portrayed in the comics. <p> I think the lesson here is that, while the big guys like Superman, Spider-Man, etc. are fun to see, the minor characters bring less baggage and allow more leeway in cinematic adaptation. This is why it's such a shame to see what became of Daredevil and Ghost Rider. At least they got Punisher right on the most recent try. Punisher: War Zone is definitely in my top five comic book movies list.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Noquarter

    by donduck

    it's weird huh? from a crazy rant to a conversation about an entire sub-genre.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Where the hell is AsimovLives

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He needs to rant about Trek.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    PUNISHER: WAR ZONE!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    Thanks for reminding me of that one, Autodidact. One of the most enjoyable experiences I had at the movies was with that one. You can't beat that movie for sheer entertainment value when you've had a few beers.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    my all time favorite Superhero movies:

    by future help

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, The Rocketeer is great. Especially Dalton!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    "It vas not lies Jenny.... it vas achting!"

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Ahhh..Swamp Thing, where to start...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    Oh, as a kid i loved the picture. It had monsters kicking the shit out of each other and it had boobies to top it off. But really, it's as much dumb fun as Flash Gordon. It had not one, but two "plucky" kids doing their best "spanky" and "alfalfa" routine. The general hokiness of the monsters were played up, especaially when the beatdowns started. The movie was camp, thru and thru. I'm not saying i hate the picture, because i don't. What i am saying is that mentioning it in a "best of all time", or even as an honorable mention, is way off base in my opinion. Hell, you might as well mention "Some kind of Hero" with John Ritter.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    STAR WARS had a comic run 'after' the movie, so does it count as a comic book movie.<P> Plus one of my most prized possessions as a kid was a comic book of ALIEN. It was a full on graphic novel in size with great artwork and absolutely true to the Ridley Scott movie. Reckon that would probably be worth a bit on Ebay these days but sadly it's been long lost to me. Sigh.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    nerd rage

    by donduck

    Who cares. view it on its own merit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Joe Johnston - shit director

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The Rocketeer was pretty damn boring. The old guy and the main lead were fine, but the movie was pretty forgettable. And even Terry O Quinn is in it, but he's terrible.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Haha! No talk of KICK-ASS!

    by Grinning White Skull

    This thread is great in following Geeks showing no interest in discussing KICK-ASS while pontificating on their favorite (and mostly highly successful) superhero films. And then DK MODE comes back on and spells out many spoilers and plot points key to the movie. Lionsgate's marketing execs are shooting up heroin somewhere to escape their nightmare of desperately trying to interest the public at large in the highly limited appeal of this mess of a movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    What happened to the Red Nails animated movie?

    by MattmanBegins

    They were doing one for a while... but it seems to have died.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I want my Rocketeer Blu-Ray goddammit!

    by MattmanBegins

    All I've got is a stupid non-anamorphic DVD! Pisses me off.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    "Milius took his inspiration...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...for his screenplay from the Howard's books" <p> Obviously you haven't read the Howard stories, AssLives.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    DEAD ON Nerd Rage

    by IndustryKiller!

    Now THAT would be a cool film, or even a great montage. Not to mention imagine what htat does to someone emotionally. Being so disconnected that you cannot see anything beyond a single ultimate goal that wont come until years later. The kind of tortured soul that would have to come with that. Thats what I always loved about batman, how tragic a character he is. Someday he will die, alone, and old man in Wayne Manor because he will never ever ALLOW himself to get over the death of his parents. He doesn't want to, because the mission is too important. That what I always thought would be great about a Batman Superman match up. They dont compliment each other well because of their aesthetics, but because they are both outsiders looking into humanity. One born outside of it yearning to get in, and another born into it who forced himself out. Its fucking Shakespearean.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Loved the Rocketeer....

    by AnakinsDiapers

    The scene with the FBI and Mafia firing their tommy guns side by side at the Nazis, pausing to look at each other, and then continuing their onslaught, was perfect.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    The problems with Blade...

    by Stegman84

    ...for me at least, include that frankly horrible scene with that fat lump of badly latexed 'vampire record keeper' character Pearl, which was underscored by a truly annoying and horrible performance by whoever it was under the mounds of vampire fatsuit. I also found the CGI blood creature 'superDorf' ending rather weak and unconvincing too. Apart from that though, I enjoyed the hell out of the first Blade. The beginning is fantastic, and Kristopherson's 'Catch you fuckers at a bad time?" entrance still brings a smile to my face. Wouldn't personally make my top 5 though.<p>The Crow, on the other hnd, is right up there for me. Probably the biggest sin you can level against that one, outside of the obvious tragedy about what happened to Brandon Lee, is just how much it has been copied since, naking some of it seem a bit cliched. But that's the fault of the derivative films that followed, not The Crow itself. I've also gotta say I loved V for Vendetta, despite the goofy fast forward scene, and some of the changes made translating it from book to film.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Inception

    by lockesbrokenleg

    This movie looks cool!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    I always felt THE CROW was a beat by beat retread of ROBOCOP.<p> Hero gets killed by a gang of bad guys but in death becomes a superhero. He then goes after the gang and kills them one by one.<p> ROBOCOP the movie was certainly released first but maybe the comic inspiration of The Crow was the actual originator?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    ...THE CROW and ROBOCOP were both a retread...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...of Jesus. Beat by beat.<P>Well, the version that played out in my head on hot muggy Sunday mornings in August not at the beach and in a button shirt and corduroys anyway...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Grinning White Skull

    by DKMODE

    The only plot points I pointed out were rebuttals to the post by Last Boy Scout, who called the movie dog shit. You know, the guy who has yet to respond to those rebuttals because he knows he was talking out of his ass with under-developed criticisms. I actually was hoping he wouldn't reveal all the stuff he did. Learn how to read. And puck Lionsgate. Puck whatever studio made this film. And puck you, sir! I work for a production company near Sunset and La Brea which has no affiliation with this movie. If you want I'll stand on the corner at any given time with up to a 2 minute warning. I'll hold one of those flippy signs that says you're a plant. See, it stings.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6 p.m. CST

    Robocop was Jesus?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I didn't know the Romans rebuilt Jesus with metal parts.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    ...hmm, I was kidding, but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I have sometimes thought that dying, coming back to life to kick righteous ass stories are Christian revenge fantasies for kids who sat in Sunday school wondering...<P>"...this guy is all powerful, why doesn't he fucking DO something?!..."<P>...but maybe I was the only kid sitting there imagining Roman soldiers being turned inside out by the allmighty...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    V'Shael

    by DocPazuzu

    Here you go--enjoy: <p> http://tinyurl.com/yeqcmva <p> Don't miss his hilarious post about how the government is conducting top secret bible research at Area 51. Things really heat up when fellow cocktard, BendersShinyAss, shows up and they both go completely boi-oi-oingg, talking about Venusian ambassadors to the U.N. and David Icke.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Love Blade I and Punisher: War Zone

    by Kontarsky

    I like comics, but a lot of comic book films let me down. However, for Marvel films, I'd say Blade I, Punisher War Zone and Iron Man are tops for me.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Punisher War Zone was a laugh riot

    by MattmanBegins

    Terrible movie, but great if you're drunk and/or high.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai - ALIEN movie comic

    by Sir Loin

    I still have that! It's got scenes that weren't in the released version, but some were in the director's cut. Brett getting impaled in the back by the Alien's tail, as well as Ripley nearly running into the Alien all contorted into a compact size. Very cool 30 years later. And my grandma got that for me at Waldenbooks when it came out. LOL

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah Begins was pretty weak

    by Proman1984

    IK you are right this time.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Has Ava Lord Been Cast Yet???

    by whateverworks

    if not, this woman should play her or the next Cat Woman. http://i36.tinypic.com/10wqflv.gif http://i38.tinypic.com/xga4cp.gif

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Iron Man

    by Kaitain

    "Same with Iron Man, they nail the set-up but blow it with a typical slugfest with a bigger version of the hero for the final fight." <p> Agree completely about the lameness of the slugfest. And you know what? The real problem is that they HAVE a great fight scene and THEN THEY BLOW IT. <p> Allow me to expand... <p> In my opinion, the very best action scenes actually have a structure that is analogous to a courtroom drama. The two protagonists make a case, and throw their best shots at each other. The viewer can follow the engagement throughout, understanding WHY that was a good blow, HOW it might have been countered, and WHO seems to have the upper hand. In a courtroom drama, you would never, ever fob the viewer off with, say, a rapid montage sequence conveying the idea that "intellectual combat is taking place" and then show the (asserted) outcome. The viewer would never accept that: they have to be able to follow the details and see WHY lawyer A beat lawyer B. <p> Most importantly, most legal dramas feature The Killer Blow: a final move that was not anticipated (by either the losing lawyer or the audience), and yet which leaves the viewer with a feeling of, “Aha! Of course!” You should be left with a feeling that the winner thought one step further than the opponent, or that there was something about them, their background, the work they put in, the way they see the world, that allowed them to find the weak spot in the opponent’s case, and defeat them. Sometimes in might come in a moment of inspiration, but it usually has a foreshadowing precedent in the story, perhaps one whose relevance was not obvious at the time. <p> We ALMOST get this in Iron Man. They put in all the work, and then blow it. <p> The Killer Blow in question is, of course, the “icing problem”. THAT should have been the moment where Stark wins and Stane loses. It would have worked perfectly, because the underlying theme would have been: Stark WORKED for this technology, while Stane STOLE it. The difference between the two men is that although Stane possesses the technology – in some ways the superior piece of kit – he didn’t put in the hard work to understand it properly. Stark’s understanding of the tech, and its limitations, came from his own brilliance, and from the hard work of developing and testing it. He has EARNED the right to defeat Stane at that moment, because his mastery is superior. <p> And then the film blows it: Stane ices up, but then simply recovers, and it ends up with a conventional, Michael Bay slugfest with punches, streams of energy and explosions. The beauty and grace of what should have been Stark’s victory is thrown away.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    You know what's interesting about the Batman voice thing...

    by Stegman84

    ...is that Keaton did the exact same thing in his two Burton Batman films, dropping into deeper 'angry voice' mode when acting as Bats, and I can't remember him ever copping any flack for it, then or since. I still think it's more a case that certain people simply don't like the Bale Batman voice, rather than it being an inherent problem with taking that approach on a conceptual level.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Kaitain, well put...

    by snallyg

    Its a shame that many talkbackers ignore thoughtful insights like yours and instead waste their time responding to baiting trolls. Just wanted to let you know that your observation (and the time you put into it) do not go unnoticed.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Punisher: War Zone

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    Hell yes, I KNEW I wasn't the only one who loved it (especially compared to the pussy Thomas Jane version). Anyone who complains about it hasn't actually touched a Punisher comic in at least 10 years. <P> Fuck I'm gonna throw it on right now.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    DKMODE works for a production company...

    by Grinning White Skull

    ...explains so much of why films today are so bad. You reverse yourself constantly through your review. It's real. No, it's like funnier than real and more John Woo than real but...it's real. You didn't just add rebuttals to TheLastBoyScout, you gave away detailed info on scenes. I could care less if you were on the street or at a bar but Lionsgate will probably want to call you out with your flippy plant sign and shoot you. You're not helping them at all and keep digging a bigger hole for them in trying to reach out BEYOND the geek audience that you've confirmed had orgasms over the screening. Yeah, throw on the action! Blow up "stuff real good"! Who needs dialogue and human interaction? That's stuff was only in the old comics, not the really great comics like "Kick-Ass" is today.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    People who hate Iron Man's ending

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's a COMIC BOOK movie. Of course he's gonna fight some other robot guy at the end. They do it comics all the time. People with their shitty "Comic book movies must be real" shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    "That's why the film was called Batman BEGINS and not Batman Complete." - Exactly. <P> I also agree that Iron Man's final battle was really weak. The scope of the film took a nosedive during the last 30 minutes. Confining all the action to a laboratory. The we have the scuffle in the streets where Iron Man lifts a car... o_0 <P> We've seen him blow up tanks and take out 15 guys at a time... and the big finale is him struggling to lift a car. <P> Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed Iron Man. But I remember when he went to fight Stane severely weakened I thought to myself, "Why waste a movie finale with a weak ass version of the character? I wanted to see him fuck Stane up, not get run over by a minivan and get his faceplate knocked off. <P> A Marvel hero who gets his mask knocked off constantly during fights? No thanks, I get enough of that shit with Spider-Man.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    ok

    by dilbynuggets

    I think iron man had a nice place up by the water but he shouldn't not have broke up his cars. they are really costs lots of money plus the lady that he worked for was pretty so maybe she wanted one of the cars for a present or something. And the big bald guy was mean to but he shouldt have not been becase he had got a burger for the guy in the moustached who was also iron man as well, too. plus the plane was big with pretty ladies. There are many good more movies to be done for this show and it would be neat if they make them up.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Grinning White Skull

    by DKMODE

    Well I can't say I'm responsible for any film development, so you can't blame me for shitty movies or your perception thereof. I'm not a professional reviewer. I just wanted to share my opinion on a pretty great super-hero film. I'm kind of annoyed that there isn't any other people who watched the film last night and backing me up on this. I'm also kind of annoyed by people like you who try to project your own insecurities and assumptions into my review. I never said the movie is just stuff blowing up or just action. I did say it has great dialogue and in so many words I said it hooks you in a more emotional way than a lot of other super-hero films. But thanks for the needless spinning. Anyway, there were hundreds of internet savvy film lovers there who probably check out aintitcool. Where are you assholes to back me up on this? I should have known that posting an early review that is positive would garner this much grief from angry innernette ass hats like White Skull.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST

    It's a COMIC BOOK MOVIE

    by Kaitain

    "It's a COMIC BOOK movie. Of course he's gonna fight some other robot guy at the end. They do it comics all the time." <p> No complaints about the robot punch-up, only about its brainless resolution. <p> I would refer you to the Marvel comic book in which Tony Stark defeats Obadiah Stane. (The defeated Stane commits suicide subsequently.) Although it plays out differently from the scene in the movie, it is nevertheless resolved in a way similar to the "icing problem" moment that SHOULD have been the decisive moment in the movie. <p> Again, the theme is that Stane is an industrialist money man whereas Stark is a true engineer and inventor. And it is a moment of inspiration in which Stark understands his opponent, understands his limitations, and realises how to administer the "killer blow". <p> After a protracted punch-up between Iron Man and Stane (in the Ironmonger suit), Stark, who has noticed that a small building nearby is emitting radio signals, suddenly shoots that building rather than continuing to attack Stane. His moment of insight - his ability to think one step further, think outside of the standard parameters of combat - is that Stane is fighting too well for someone so inexperienced. Again, the theme is that Stane must look to gain an unearned advantage, because he hasn't put in the hard work that Stark has. The building houses a computer that is partially controlling his suit, acting as an AI advisor and "aimbot". When Stark destroys it, Stane is incapacitated. <p> So after some perfectly acceptable punch-up style combat, Stark then *outthinks* his opponent, and wins by using his brain and his accumulated experience. It is not decided by simple brute force. <p> It is therefore clear that the single most apposite comic book example DOES make use of a "smart killer blow", whereas the movie does not.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    DKMODE

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    I believe you dude. <P> No one even knows who this grinning skull guy is anyways. He's just a troll. Live your life in peace. haha. <P> Looking forward to Kick-Ass, just have no clue when the hell it's coming out.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    new movie

    by dilbynuggets

    sometime i sit in the dark of my room but it doesn't work that well in day. but kick ass scares me bease it swears already. if people swear jesus or the pope gets made but you dont suffer big hurts so this movie is not good for getting to up in heaven becase of swearing. I dont think iron man had swears but i dont not remeber to well all the time

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by lockesbrokenleg

    There's plenty of dark shit out there for your asshole to get excited about. Iron Man was never a dark comic, so don't force your dark shit on it.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    cramps

    by dilbynuggets

    I like ponies. but ihave not seen any of this movie cept iron man but hes not in it at all, even litlle bit

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    wonders

    by dilbynuggets

    sometimes is ironman lady? just question

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Kaitain

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And you're part of that weird sub culture that thinks that comic book movies must be follow the comics to the letter, despite the fact that comics audiences have been declining for decades?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    wonders

    by dilbynuggets

    I pee my pants but I dont tell noone cept yous guys. does ironman pee in his iron pants!just question

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Great TB thread

    by HunterSwan

    anyone ever notice that The Crow and The Wraith are damn near the same movie? even the bad guys names are similar, both have a Skank, Crow has Funboy, Wraith has Gutterboy... I know The Crow was based off the graphic novels which was written what around '87? The Wraith came out in '86... who copied who?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Emos that still bring up The Crow

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It was boring shit. Sorry Emos.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    comics

    by dilbynuggets

    comics is good lots specially "horny biker sluts" and "cherry poptart' and that one about horses and pretty ladies

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    ...DKMODE...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...KICK ASS sounds right up my alley. Not having seen it and not having read the comic I don't have much else to say except that I'm looking forward to it and hope it's as good as you say it is.<P>If KICK ASS turns out to be great we will declare a DKMODE day and tar this Grinning Skull character with the scooped up sludge of a theater floor after the late show and feather him with tissue paper from the restroom trashcan. The women's restroom...<P>Fingers crossed for a sanitary napkin or two.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    ...oh, and DK a la MODE...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...normally a review on a Friday wouldn't get much attention...your article generated a long and interesting conversation.<P>This is about as civil and intelligent a conversation as you're going to get around here.<P>Drinks for everyone.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:02 p.m. CST

    The Crow

    by HunterSwan

    just read that the original Blade director is looking to re-make The Crow... how odd

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    RE:The growly Batman voice..

    by The Dark Shite

    I usually defend it on the basis that he has to disguise his voice.<p> It gets silly in TDK however. It seems deeper than the raspy voice in BB & he even continues to use it while talking to Lucius Fox about the sonar thingy. That was just fucking stupid.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by Manatee

    'Crumb' is the best comic book movie ever made. I'm just sayin'. btw Crumb's 'Genesis' comic is amazing.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Best Super Hero movies??

    by darth_fuck_shit

    Um, hello! Condor Man anyone?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Did X3 ruin X2?

    by snallyg

    Because not so long ago that was ranked fairly highly in the current pantheon of superhero movies. Has it not aged well? Is it Bryan Singer hate? Just curious on your thoughts.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    best comic movie

    by dilbynuggets

    I'd have to say the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers is dying to be made into a movie although the logistics of a bunch of crazed dope taking hippy freaks with full on frontal nudity (hippy chicks anyone) would not fly in todays pc climate. I heard they were working on a clamation production of this but I wonder if the original creator Gilbert Shelton is on board? The "Grass Roots" story is epic enough.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I always thought the X-Men movies were overrated.

    by The Dark Shite

    Other than the themes of prejudice etc, they're really not much deeper than something like the new Star Trek movie or (dare I say it?) even Transformers. <p> Each film in the series feels like a pilot for a TV show. Too many characters & not enough time to explore them in any meaningful way.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Ahhhh, disaster for Space-Stationnnnnnnn

    by Sal_Bando

    Yeah I think Stormare rocks, too.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah the X-Men movies are typical cheese...

    by TheWaqman

    Bryan Singer really can't do anything right. Usual Suspects was merely decent. X2 was pretty good, but it's definitely feeling dated already (with the exception of the extremely epic Nightcrawler opening). I can't sit through any of the X men films any more.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Morbius the Living Vampire--

    by Sal_Bando

    --sounds like a cool baddie for the next Spidey flick but you know they won't bite-

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    BEst Super Hero movie? Johnny Sokko.

    by Sal_Bando

    Admit it, and move on.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    X-Men did not age well

    by HunterSwan

    totally agree, some cool moments but overall very weak. I can't even stomach watching the first one anymore... still better than that shitstorm that was Superman Returns...cringe inducing at every level

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Millious took his Inspiration from Howard's Books--

    by Sal_Bando

    --yeah I always thought Moe was one of the least appreciated Fantasy Writers out there---

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    X Men cartoon- better than movie

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Also, someone needed to tell Patrick Stewart he wasn't the star of the movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Ha! Bando!

    by toadkillerdog

    Good one. I doubt too many will get taht.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    It's curly I feel sorry for.

    by The Dark Shite

    The poor fucker never gets any credit for anything!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Nah, that would be Shemp

    by toadkillerdog

    And he was an original!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Curly gets credit

    by HunterSwan

    for being the poor fucker who doesn't get any credit

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    What about Shemp?

    by Kaitain

    I loved all the stuff about "Fake Shemp" shots (in Raimi movies) that Bruce Campbell rattles on about entertainingly in "If Chins Could Kill".

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:21 p.m. CST

    This movie sounds like Wanted

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Kid superhero can bend shit around with his mind. WOW!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    The Blade love in this TB is great to behold

    by toadkillerdog

    I thought I was a lone outpost praising its greatness. Nice to know that others saw it too. <p> Now if I can only jump start the Mystery Men love!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    best superhero movie so far

    by dilbynuggets

    I'm tempted to say Batman and Robin as it had all the wonder and fantastic sets needed in a superhero epic, but I would have to say Daredevil the theatrical version. It had the serious tone and fantastic actors needed for the piece.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Shemp was funny as hell!

    by toadkillerdog

    Ok, let not carried away. Curly was the man! Just a brilliant physical comedian. A true genius. But Shemp, who was stooge before Jerome, has always been under rated. Hell I under rated him when I saw that Curly was gone and was 'replaced' by that long faced buffoon!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Kaitain

    So, hang on, it's a "comic book movie" by virtue of being brainless, but when the relevant comic books are held up, examined, and found to be fairly smart, they become the realm of "a weird sub culture"? <p> (Laughs.) <p> That's some nice trollin', son. (Salutes.)

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Shemp was hilarious

    by HunterSwan

    his hair cracks me up, always flopping around

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    This movie will be good and will tank

    by The Funketeer

    The general public isn't ready for a deconstruction of super hero movies. They haven't been around long enough. I'm just looking forward to seeing the movie so I can finally see how the comic ends.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Fantatic four and the rise of the Silver Surfer too

    by dilbynuggets

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Chris Farley and Kramer

    by HunterSwan

    copied their routine from Shemp, has to be

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Kaitain

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Fuck off. RDJ and John F made a great comic book movie that was true to the character. You can whine and bitch about it all you want. No one's stopping you. Comic Books are written by committee. So fuck off.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Well, lets not forget: Starman vs Evil Brain from Outer Space

    by toadkillerdog

    From Japan. Easily a top ten flick!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    my worst example of trolling

    by dilbynuggets

    Hey Funkateer you wouldn't know a deconstruction of a superhero movie if it was yopur grandma's fart lingering in the room at your gay family reunion, where everybody in your family was gay, because your whole family is homosexual and stuff... yah you heard me your all gay and your grandma's farts stink like your knowledge of superhero films and stuff....

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Starman: Invaders from space

    by toadkillerdog

    That was a keeper as well

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Starman: Attack from space

    by toadkillerdog

    I am sensing a trend here.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I nominate Catwoman as the best ever!

    by The Dark Shite

    The brilliant story! The amazing acting! Effects that put even Condorman to shame! Sharon Stone! What more could anyone want? It isn't Batman & Robin or DD great, but it's almost there.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    another bad example of trolling

    by dilbynuggets

    hey toadkillerdog are you named that because your dog kills toads... oh and you don't know nothing about any movies or stuff... yah you heard me your dog actually licks toad balls 'cuz he's gay and homo too

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    toadlicksdonkeyballs

    by dilbynuggets

    ...and your poop stinks like batshit and vomit... HA!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    dilbynuggets

    by toadkillerdog

    I told him to stop going to those bars - ya never know who might see you there! 'Lo and behold, it was you!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    DKMODE Cries For Help! Where, oh where, is Kick-Ass?

    by Grinning White Skull

    DKMODE. Your whining about being beat up on here for what you wrote is pathetic. I quoted you in my earlier posts so you can't weasel out of it. And yeah! Where are all those enthusiastic fanboys you claim were McLoving KICK-ASS?!! Where are those KISS-ASS, I mean, KICK-ASS lovers? They probably went home and the more they thought about it their minds cleared of the special laughing gas pumped into the Arclight Theater and couldn't write up anything as worshipful as you came up with. And this trial audience for the film. How did you, a production company guy, get into this? Aren't these "test screening" supposed to be for the general public to get a sound indication (a test) of how they would react to such a film? Sounds like an audience of uber-geeks primed to see it (and the only ones who would give a damn to write a review). Gee, you WOULD think the internet would be JAMMED with reviews by hot fanboys dying to get the first word out on this stupendous, cutting-edge, change-the-game, comic book movie, wouldn't ya'? I guess they had to pick their noses and stare at a light bulb a few hours or re-read their issues of KICK-ASS first to make sure they didn't miss one important detail in relating the riveting action and searing humanity of this "faithful" adaptation from comic to film. Hahaha! Lionsgate did "The Spirit". That proves they have no brains when it comes to this kind of stuff nor love for the comic book genre. It's just a film they hope to exploit. I can see the stupid execs thinking this was so cool and what a huge film it was going to be for them. It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Frank Miller to direct it!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    DKMODE Cries For Help! Where, oh where, is Kick-Ass?

    by Grinning White Skull

    DKMODE. Your whining about being beat up on here for what you wrote is pathetic. I quoted you in my earlier posts so you can't weasel out of it. And yeah! Where are all those enthusiastic fanboys you claim were McLoving KICK-ASS?!! Where are those KISS-ASS, I mean, KICK-ASS lovers? They probably went home and the more they thought about it their minds cleared of the special laughing gas pumped into the Arclight Theater and couldn't write up anything as worshipful as you came up with. And this trial audience for the film. How did you, a production company guy, get into this? Aren't these "test screening" supposed to be for the general public to get a sound indication (a test) of how they would react to such a film? Sounds like an audience of uber-geeks primed to see it (and the only ones who would give a damn to write a review). Gee, you WOULD think the internet would be JAMMED with reviews by hot fanboys dying to get the first word out on this stupendous, cutting-edge, change-the-game, comic book movie, wouldn't ya'? I guess they had to pick their noses and stare at a light bulb a few hours or re-read their issues of KICK-ASS first to make sure they didn't miss one important detail in relating the riveting action and searing humanity of this "faithful" adaptation from comic to film. Hahaha! Lionsgate did "The Spirit". That proves they have no brains when it comes to this kind of stuff nor love for the comic book genre. It's just a film they hope to exploit. I can see the stupid execs thinking this was so cool and what a huge film it was going to be for them. It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Frank Miller to direct it!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    formulaic, Miller

    by Behnz

    I've honestly never seen a more formulaic, tick-all-the-boxes, foolow the rules piece of propaganda on this site (and we've all seen a HELL of a LOT of plants before now). It's destructive to the site- it's one thing for 'journalists'/official commentators to be compromised by the studios, but it's shameful to allow press releases to be printed in such a fraudulant manner. That 'piece' of p.r. noticably follows the precise style of how Millar himself writes in articles and on his forum (right down to purposefully and jealously bemoaning other art that isn't his own- despite his article praising the film Elektra in SFX, a view he was egotistically swayed towards because a character shared his name). It's attrocious to allow unqualified writers the opportunity to hijack a site made by fans- because without them, Harry et al would be posting comments on the site of others. Shameful, Aintitcool. I hope the film is good. I've nothing against the art- simply the business of fraudulently presenting a biased piece of marketing as a genuine reaction. Pure prostitution and fraud.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:51 p.m. CST

    my observation

    by dilbynuggets

    Uneducated dipshit fuckwad morons with no life or nothing to do. No friends; female or otherwise, hoplessly wacking off in their basements while their mom sleeps then coming to Harry's site to bitch and whine like drunken monkeys with alzheimers. How I loathe you and your petty banal observations into the world of film. Do you ever stop and consider what you are and what you have become: Useless, wretched, scorned, purile, without substance, a bastard plague of humanity, without purpose, wandering in dull antiseptic shock, give up this forlorn lonely existance before it is too late. Go confront the world on its own terms not hiding like corpulent slugs in the basement in front of a computer screen. You know it to be true...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    ...I'm declaring UNLEASHED a superhero movie....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and one of my top three...because I'm just not that into spandex and leather.<P>Danny the Dog is super in my book.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Taken directly from dilbynuggets's 'lonely book' diary

    by toadkillerdog

    I'm an Uneducated dipshit fuckwad moron with no life or nothing to do. No friends; female or otherwise, hoplessly wacking off in my basement while my mom sleeps then coming to Harry's site to bitch and whine like drunken monkeys with alzheimers. How I loathe my own petty banal observations into the world of film. Do I ever stop and consider what I have become: Useless, wretched, scorned, purile, without substance, a bastard plague of humanity, without purpose, wandering in dull antiseptic shock, give up this forlorn lonely existance before it is too late. GI can not confront the world on its own terms not hiding like the corpulent slug that I am in the basement in front of a computer screen. I know it to be true...

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    example...

    by dilbynuggets

    by media messiah "PS: the Rocketeer is the best comic book movie of all time, but I hoope that Kick Ass tops it". That is an actual quote from one of the brain trust of this site, and that was his whole post! Holy shit!, alert the media!, we have a new movie Messiah! Fuck what a bunch of shit. Thank you Mister Media Messiah for that eloquent observation. I will be telling my friends of your opinion first thing tomorrow morning! Whoooo-weeee!!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    X-MEN still holds up, although the 3rd act doesn't.

    by Ganymede3001

    X-MEN 2 on the other hand is still bloody brilliant.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    I know this to be true

    by HunterSwan

    Its past dilbynuggets bedtime, and I hope he gets grounded from his computer for eternity

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    geez how clever toad licks your balls

    by dilbynuggets

    you simply copied my entire post and changed the pronouns, how original. You sir, lack education, intelligence and creativity.... I feel sorrow for you.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Hey toadlicks

    by dilbynuggets

    Write something with verve, wit and veracity. Give me something that shows you have a modicum of IQ. Show me your best, I can take it. Do you have a brain within your skull? I ask the question will you step up to the challenge. I give you five to seven minutes to post anything original.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Unbreakable is arguably the best superhero movie.

    by Ganymede3001

    SLJ was completely riveting in that movie. Definitely one of the best villains ever portrayed on film. It's a crying shame we haven't recieved a sequel yet. It will be interesting to see how Mr. Glass breaks out of the maximum security psychiatric prison ward. Hopefully the last Airbender bombs, but people still pay to see Mknights movies no matter how horrid the reviews are. So I'm not holding my breath on ever enjoying a sequel.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    If you look at the timing of my posts

    by dilbynuggets

    I am able to come up with a competent and straightforward thought out post within minutes because I can write my thoughts down, I can think you sir can not... sorry not at all.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    What's up, dilbynuggets?

    by Behnz

    You seem sociopathically upset with the world- particularly when you act as if gaining pleasure from criticising people that are doing PRECISELY what you're currently doing. I'm not criticising you; there's plenty of nonsense spouted on here by all sorts and, at the very least, you're completely tail-spinning a topic off-topic so that TDKMODE can clear up the ugly mess they've made with their ham-fisted tomfoolery. Just wondered if whatever mentally ails you can be bettered with an open ear? I'm sure you're a decent individual underneath all the resentment and misplaced anger. What's been good about your week, man?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Hunter Swan is....

    by dilbynuggets

    actually my older brother and yes it is true, our mom will ground me from the computer as I am only 8 years old and it is late, yet I can still run circles around you mentally challenged fucktards he inhabit this site.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    dilbynuggets -you picked the wrong Toadkiller to fuck with

    by toadkillerdog

    Game on you pus filled piece of slippery, steaming goat shit! It's almost time for your nightly feeding of daddy's diseased dick, just as soon as he is finished pulling it out of the ass of the family basset hound. Slurp it up good!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Hey nice post Behnz

    by dilbynuggets

    Actually I'm sociopathically upset with what you call debate on this talkback. Wading through bits of droll and insepid convictions spouted by the "contributers" to this site makes me wonder about the future of humanity.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Hey nice post Behnz

    by dilbynuggets

    Actually I'm sociopathically upset with what you call debate on this talkback. Wading through bits of droll and insepid convictions spouted by the "contributers" to this site makes me wonder about the future of humanity.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Run dilby run!

    by toadkillerdog

    The short bus is leaving without you!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Logic 101

    by HunterSwan

    If you would quit posting we would have one less mentally challenged fucktard on this site. Fact.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    toad licks ass

    by dilbynuggets

    Oh my epitaths; although the descriptions where fairly vivid. I salute you toad ass for the thought you actually put into insulting me. That was worthy of attention. Fine job

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Hunter Swan

    by dilbynuggets

    your insult was much weaker then toad fucks his dog. Sorry but it is true.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    "The Dark Knight" is flawed? Umm......every film is flawed.

    by Evangelion217

    Every film is flawed, since perfection differs from person to person. Just because "TDK" isn't flawless, doesn't mean it's not an outstanding work of art. Nolan took the Batman world, blend it into a crime/drama, and turn it into a reflection of our world and how we deal with terrorism. "Batman Begins" is also a great accomplishment, and ears plenty of credibility as a character study. Nolan explored the psychological, emotional, and physical aspects of Batman in the most brilliant way. Sure, he didn't use the whole "Greatest Detective" origin story, but he still developed him in the most brilliant and intelligent way possible. Give Nolan credit for bringing back a dying film franchise, and making people take it seriously. They took comic book films to a whole new level of artistry. I can only hope "Kick-Ass" is half as good. I just don't know if it's going to have the emotional depth of "TDK", and "Batman Begins."

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Hmmn...not really got a subject line, anymore...

    by Behnz

    My advice, simply: Don't base your opinions of humanity on some fairly inconsequential views and opinions of entertainment, then. It's a novel belief system, I'll give you that; but somewhat less reliable than seeking answers to the future from tealeaves. (That's only said with good-natured sarcasm, I'm sure you appreciate.) In seriousness- opinions will often have insipid 'filler' to skim, sure- and they'll be frustrating- but don't let it get to you enough to send that blood pressure anywhere dangerous. If you've something to say in a debate- get it out there for all to see and be happy that your conscience now knows you've had your point heard without censure and, frankly, none of our points here matter in the scheme of things anyway. Whatever you enjoy- have one on us tonight, fella.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Dilholenuggets

    by HunterSwan

    Sounds like your an expert at gauging insults thrown your way. Did you put that on your resume?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    "The Dark Knight" wasn't emotional?

    by Evangelion217

    The interrogation scene was one of the most intense and emotional scenes of 2008. Harvey Dent's tragic storyline brought some people to tears, and it was a brilliant sub-plot that basically tied together the stories of both Batman and the Joker.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Oh come on dilby

    by toadkillerdog

    Don't go home with the goat tail between your legs now. Fight back! You talked shit, now back it up!<p> Be more than the lack of pussy has made you! If all you got is a twist on the handle name and a 'ooh good one' then that shows you aint got the brains of a dead bandicoot. <p> I am giving you between 5 and 7 minutes to think of your first witty comeback. You would be wise to read the entire talkback before you fuck with the wrong person again you motarded piece of zombie shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Evangelion

    by dilbynuggets

    Now that is an insightful observation. So much better that "The Rocketeer Rules" or "Fuck Kick Ass the name is really stupid and gay". Thank you for your well thought out opinion.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Actually koadtillerkog...

    by dilbynuggets

    I am briefly stepping outside to have a "smoke" of something. I quite enjoy your rantings especially now that you are thinking, and quite quickly I might add. I will be back

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:30 p.m. CST

    HunterSwan

    by toadkillerdog

    He aint got camel shit! Dude can only say - ooh you got me! But has no retort whatsoever but a recycled 'you live in your mom's basement - nah nah'. <p> Not even worth the time. Just an attention seeking half formed troll without a bridge hoping someone will piss on him so he can pretend it is rain from heaven.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Blade? The best SH film? wtf?

    by criticalbliss

    I call bullshit. Blade sucked. It was poorly shot, acted, and Snipes' "posing" in each action scene constantly undermines the film. The script was horrible. Blade had NO personality, no character whatsoever. It was empty, despite a good concept. <p> I'll take Superman, X2, Iron Man, and The Rocketeer. And TDK was a near-great film as well. To claim otherwise is moronic.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by HunterSwan

    in his world I don't think it's pretend, I think it really is raining piss. Hopefully his 'smoke' will chill his ass out.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Batman

    by criticalbliss

    I do prefer Keaton's original Batman. His disaffected voice was far creepier than Bale's Baldwin voice... But TDK was still a kickass film, thanks to Ledger's incredible performance.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I still reckon Spiderman 1 & Batman Begins are better...

    by The Grug

    Than their respective sequels. Spidey 2 was good, but I never found it as compelling as the first one, and I can't for the life of me see what what everyone loves so much about TDK, it just didn't do anything for me, Ledger's joker was superb but I still reckon Eckharts Harvey Dent was far and away the most compelling thing in that movie.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    dilby - open wide and gargle the drizzled shit from an ass rape

    by toadkillerdog

    Oh, that was your sister-mother? Geez, all'a you inbred hillbillies do look alike.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:39 p.m. CST

    DKMODE

    by TheLastBoyScout

    The movie was bad, and I really have no desire to talk about it further, but you seem to want to call me out, so be it. It is obvious you are a plant doing major damage control for whatever shit PR company you work for. <p><p>I saw the movie months ago at the DGA theater with Matthew Vaughn himself introducing the movie to a room full of shitbag agents and douchenozzle studio execs in the hopes of securing distribution. So maybe I forgot a few details, like the quick hospital scene after he almost gets killed, so what? The point is he'd be out of commission for over a year with injuries like the movie gives him, not to mention years of rehab, and be permanently scarred and/or disfigured. But no, we cut to the next scene and he's fine. So realistic!! Not only that, but his metal plates, which supposedly make him a real superhero in his own words, NEVER figure into the plot, at all! Not only that, but he never even goes after the dudes who kicked his ass. DANGLING PLOT THREAD!! It's like Superman never going back to the diner in Superman II to confront that asshole who beat him up. <p><p>The movie is an unmitigated MESS! Not only it is way too long for what it is, I can't really see a way to fix it with editing, cause of what a mess it is. Not only that, but Lion's Gate is going to have to edit the shit out of the HitGirl sequence near the end. The MPAA does NOT allow a person to shoot another at point blank range within the same shot and with blood spurting out. They need to show the gun being fired then cut to the person's head being demolished, otherwise it gets an NC-17 rating. I can only imagine what that sequence will look like once it is chopped to shit.<p><p>And Kick Ass disappears for only a few minutes here and there? No, he disappears for stretches of at least 15 minutes. If not, it felt like it. At certain points I was wondering who the fuck the film was about cause it starts out from his perspective only, then shifts to tons of other perspectives. Again, a fucking mess!<p><p>And it was just a clever opening? I thought Kick Ass was talking about how he inspired others to don tights? Or was he talking about how this guy inspired him to don tights? Who knows, cause the opening makes no sense except as a sight gag, which is a piss poor excuse to put it in.<p><p>In the screening I saw, the audience seemed to grow noticeably bored during the extended scenes with the gangsters (again, between these awful scenes and the Big Daddy/Hit Girl shit, Kick Ass disappears for a lot of screen time. Again, whose POV is this movie?) The acting was uniformly awful from all of them, with Mark Strong coming across as a cheap man's Stanley Tucci. Lame as fuck and really poorly written. Are gangsters and terrorists the only "real world" villains we can think of anymore?Weak.<p><p>The whole point of the first act is setting up the fact that no other superheroes exist. Yet they do exist, so the whole first act makes no sense!!<p><p>And the girlfriend stuff, not only wholly unnecessary, but it felt tacked on anyway. The last time we see the girlfriend, she thinks Kick Ass is about to be killed live on the Internet. The next time we see her is 30 minutes later after everything is resolved, and she maybe had a line at the end, though I don't remember it. <p><p>And I was talking out of my ass with under developed criticisms? Why don't you address how Big Daddy is presented as super smart and very wary of strangers, won't let anyone in his lair, then all of a sudden trusts Kick Ass implicitly AND lets Red Mist, someone he's never met, into his lair? Why don't you address Big Daddy's awful fiery death scene? Super realistic right? Were people supposed to laugh at his death, cause there were quite a few big laughs from the audience during his death. What about the side plot about his black partner? That worked for you even though it was boring and had little to do with anything aside from trying to explain Big Daddy's motivations. SHOW don't TELL!! What about Kick Ass destroying the head gangster by using a jet pack with machine guns on it and flying up to his window? Was that super realistic? <p><p>Hit Girl was the only thing I enjoyed in the film. The actress was great. Unfortunately she's wasted, cause the film around her is so bad. Had it just been about Kick Ass donning tights, trying to stop regular scumbag street thugs, getting his ass kicked but inspiring people to rise up, that might have been good. As it is there were WAY too many characters, plot threads, POVs, and fat. This movie is a mess, and you know it. You're just not allowed to say so or you will lose your shitty PR job and be forced to submit your resume to TMZ. GrinningWhiteSkull has your number, dude. Just give it up already.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    On the topic of Blade

    by HunterSwan

    I actually enjoy Blade 2 more... darker more brutal, I like it what can I say

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    HunterSwan

    by toadkillerdog

    I do believe you are correct. He probably thinks golden shower means he will get rich!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    criticalbliss

    by TheLastBoyScout

    You're a fucking idiot. Say what you want about Blade, but to say the film was poorly shot is to engage in the worst form of film ignorance. That movie looked fucking amazing. Fuck off cunt.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    DKMODE...

    by DocPazuzu

    Don't you find it the slightest bit odd that virtually every review on AICN that's filled with your kind of transparent marketspeak is written by someone who starts off by saying either "Hey Harry, long time reader, first time poster" or "Seen a lot of screenings but this was so good it's the first time I've felt the need to write"? <p> No? <p> Well, then how about the fact that out of the hundreds of opinionated talkbackers who frequent this site and are spread all across the United States and the rest of the world, virtually NONE provide reviews from screenings? Why is it all the "hey you guys" reviewers who claim to read and love this site and are willing and adequate writers as well as obviously keen to jump in and defend their review, are completely new talkbackers? <p> Why is the same also true of most talkbackers who forcefully declare that there is "no such thing" as a studio plant and that talkbackers are deluding themselves as to their importance?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    hey there

    by dilbynuggets

    ok I'm back, Behnz had some astute opinions; well thought out, his brain moving at a frenetic pace. He made me think, I had to read his opinion twice to fully digest it. I am being antagonistic to provoke a response: a well thought out one. What is wrong with being riled up, ready to defend your position? Don't you think many of the talkback quotes here are laughable at best? Hey maybe I have had a few drinks and I'm "fucking around with you". You all seem much more emotionally and inteleectually involved at this point. Or maybe I'm just feeling the love.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    hahahahahahahahahahaha

    by dilbynuggets

    As for golden showers don't knock till you've tried it with a woman that you love or a man "not that there is anything wrong with that".

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Blade

    by toadkillerdog

    My sentiments are known - I think it is the finest comic book superhero movie of them all as I explained above. <p> Blade 2 is a damn good movie - one of the finest sequels ever in this genre, but it suffers from the 'bigger is better' syndrome.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    toad killer warts

    by dilbynuggets

    Wow you're really upset with me dude, do you need a tylenol, or a hug from your mom, perhaps a simple hand job from your current girlfriend. It's a talkback on aintitcool no need to get to involved in the dialouge.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Blade (again)

    by criticalbliss

    Instead of shot I meant edited. Many of the shots were fine, when I think about it, but they were left too long. The action sequences are full of awkward Austin Powers-like pauses with Snipes holding a pose.... that is more editing than framing, so I'll concede on that count. However, it's still a lifeless, soulless film. Never understood the love for it. Blade 2 was a bit better, but the main character is still terminally boring as shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    dodgynuggets...

    by DrMorbius

    You're done 'smoking' pole already? 12 minutes, whats the matter did your dad keep falling asleep?

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    for your info

    by dilbynuggets

    DrMobious I am a woman and I have never blown my father. Although I have had experiences with older men. Generally they were much better then younger males. Sorry

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST

    dilby - dude, you did not even rise to the level of a troll

    by toadkillerdog

    Just a half-wit attention seeking sewer dweller with a masochistic streak. I have no animosity towards you because you do not rate. You said not one witty or funny or insightful thing,. Not one good insult. Stolen or original. i was hoping you would have some comeback, but now I see you are the same lame - 'I was just kidding its only talkback' ass pickle who backpedals when they get their ass handed to them -and I was not even warmed up yet. <p> So just remember to do your homework and read before you open your mouth -it might save you from swallowing baboon shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST

    TKD

    by DrMorbius

    Blade was pretty good, except for Wesley Snipes, but it can't hold a match to FP!

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Yo Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    How have you been?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Two different genres Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    FP is the greatest sci-fi movie of all time. I rate Blade as the greatest superhero movie of all time. Wesley kicked major ass in that flick. Just dominated. I like the Bruce Lee analogy. <p>

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST

    dodgynuggets....

    by DrMorbius

    Bollocks...you've blown your father, felched your mother, diddled your sister after giving reach-arounds to your brother. At least you're keeping it in the family, and for that the world is thankful!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I know Dog,...just yankin yer chain...

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    by dilbynuggets

    Oh god toad killer you have made me laugh, your writing, as such is mediocre, immature, and insubstancial. The only original thought you have ever had is "Why is my penis so small". Swallowing baboon shit yes you are very educated, I can see. Thanks for the laughs. If I am masochistic, according to your theory, you seem to be provided the verbal sadism, so if that is the case you have lost as you are reacting. What a fucking puppet you are. Oh please bad boy give me more. And the useless pile of corporal matter that you are you will oblige.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Have you seen the adverts for NINJA ASASSIN?

    by DrMorbius

    Whacha think?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    That would be - insubstantial

    by toadkillerdog

    If you are gonna hurl a lame insult, at least use spell check

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    tOAD SUCKER

    by dilbynuggets

    C'mon you unnamed wretch, let me hear you, talk shit at me. See, you DO NOT control me, in fact I control you. C'mon you fat dickless wonder let's hear the response. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Morbius - I like the Ninja Assassin adverts

    by toadkillerdog

    It looks formulaic, but entertaining. I will be there.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Sumbudy is gettin a wee bit cranky

    by toadkillerdog

    Not to mention loopy!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Dilby

    by HunterSwan

    All of your multiple personalities are boring, even the female one. Sorry, sucks to be you.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    mR. DICKLESS TOAD LICKER

    by dilbynuggets

    Oh my God, spell check, well haven't you put me in my place, oh my, what an insult. No spellcheck. You drive the knife right to the bone. What a fucking lame response! Seriously SPELL CHECK!! Ok now i'm hurt. ohhhh I'm crying waaaa waaaa wwaaaaaa! Oh were those waaaa's spelled right? hahahahahahahahaha

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Have you seen CAMERON DIAZ' BOX?

    by DrMorbius

    I'm still tryin' to figure out what it was trying to say.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    PLEA

    by dilbynuggets

    Help my spellcheck isn't working I'm being done over by a fucking moron! HELP! HELP!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I'M IN TROUBLE

    by dilbynuggets

    PLEASE SOMEONE SEND AN UPDATE FOR MY SPELLCHECK QUICK OTHER WISE I WILL BE WORSTED BY THE MOST BRILLIANT MAN ON THE PLANET! HELP ME PLEASE!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Oh, now I get it. It is that 'time of the month' for ol dilby

    by toadkillerdog

    Grab a tampon dude er, dudette, ah fuck it, you are just a tranny with cramps! Pop a tylenol and shut the fuck up.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Morbius

    by HunterSwan

    It was saying that if you push her buttons someone in the world will die... Hmm, I think would be entertaining.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Later Toad...

    by DrMorbius

    Gonna check out Sanctuary, nothin else on.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    spell check this

    by dilbynuggets

    u hav know fuckin dick an yur mom hates ur ugly face. girls laff at ur small penis but bhind yor bak

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    chipps killed me with that Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    Sadly, I may never get to see Cam's box

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Later Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    I am gone as well.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    more spell chek

    by dilbynuggets

    lik my puss but i will mak u eat shit. wen i wipe my ass i will wipe it 4ward into my puss

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    oh you fucking cowards...

    by dilbynuggets

    see you you bunch of unorganized, fucked up, sub-human, excuses for DNA. Good luck in your pathetic miserable little lives. Cheers, Dilby

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    I can't believe how many people hate watchmen

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I never read the comic so I don't know if that's a big part of the hate, but I thought it was one of the best super-hero movies I had ever seen. 10X better than all the hate that's leveled at it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Well, I thought it would be a little more Kick Assy

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Grinning White

    by DKMODE

    I get to see screenings because they pass these passes outside of LA movie theaters all the time, and when you give them your email once, they invite you to them every few months. When they ask what kind of job you have, you just don't tell them you work for any type of entertainment business. As for why people aren't flooding in with reviews, I can't tell you that. But if people didn't like it or were "meh" about it, I would assume there would also be those kind of reviews as well. I can't wait till April when everyone can make up their minds. I'll assume people going in with negative attitudes about it will find things to not like. But I predict it will get a much better reception than Watchmen, and something slightly below The Dark Knight. In the end, the main difference between us, within the context of this talkback, is the fact that I've seen it and have decided to like it, while you haven't seen it and have decided to hate it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    DKMODE

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yeah, I go to a ton of free screenings. Thanks to our local paper that holds contests for advance screening tickets. I always seem to win free tickets. I rarely pay full price to see a movie anymore. Last summer I saw Trek, Transformers 2 and Public Enemies for free.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Doc PopoZao

    by DKMODE

    "Don't you find it the slightest bit odd that virtually every review on AICN that's filled with your kind of transparent marketspeak is written by someone who starts off by saying either "Hey Harry, long time reader, first time poster" or "Seen a lot of screenings but this was so good it's the first time I've felt the need to write"?" No. People are just following a certain protocol they've come to expect from all the reviews they read on this site. I was also rushing the review in, because I thought there would be loads of reviews. "Well, then how about the fact that out of the hundreds of opinionated talkbackers who frequent this site and are spread all across the United States and the rest of the world, virtually NONE provide reviews from screenings? Why is it all the "hey you guys" reviewers who claim to read and love this site and are willing and adequate writers as well as obviously keen to jump in and defend their review, are completely new talkbackers?" I don't know. I would assume a solid chunk of talkbackers that live near any major metropolis would have access to screenings. Maybe they get nervous to post reviews that will get thrashed in these cynical talk backs. I've been going to this site off and on for 9 years. I don't comment much, but I like going here to see people debating movies. I sent in the tip about Spielberg releasing Indiana Jones on DVD when he attended a class I had in 2001 or 2002. I put out my thoughts in 04 about Stallone's Edgar Allen Poe script during a Poe movie talkback. In this particular instance, I got a chance to see one of those hyped up movies coming out next year that I noticed people here talking about. I saw it, and was surprised by how much I liked it. I wanted to get my thoughts out and quick. After a day of reflection, I may have jumped the gun and gotten overly excited about the movie and said it the greatest thing ever, when it's not. It's just a highly entertaining and engaging super-hero flick, unlike The Watchmen, or The Spirit. This is all my opinion for now, and I know a certain segment will rip it to shreds when it comes out. "Why is the same also true of most talkbackers who forcefully declare that there is "no such thing" as a studio plant and that talkbackers are deluding themselves as to their importance?" I know there are plants. I've seen a lot of planty reviews on here, and I love looking down into the talkbacks for people to call them out. And they usually do. I didn't get it as bad as other reviews I've seen. I have to admit that the last Kick-Ass review seemed a little planty/leafy/green/photosynthesissy to me, as the guy knew every single actor in the film, and some of his adjectives were suspicious, but someone else pointed out that that reviewer may just have a great memory. But after seeing the movie myself, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    I think DKMODE should be cut some slack..

    by The Dark Shite

    I doubt a plant would spend so long defending himself. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a plant give so much as a response, nevermind such long winded ones. <p> Maybe those are the actions of a guy who isn't guilty & feels hard done by:-).

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:38 a.m. CST

    NINJA ASASSIN looks interesting but a bit formularic

    by Stalkeye

    ..Ninja seeks revenge? *yawn* The Wachko Bros might as well got the IP rights to film Ninja Gaiden, at least Hayabusa had better weapons and a cool story.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    ToadKillaDawg is correct:

    by Stalkeye

    Blade is the best Superhero Movie as it help to usher the stream of Marvel based film adaptations.And not to mention Bullettime effects before Matrix,Bad assed fight scenes with memorable dialog:"Some Muthafuckers always trying to upskate icehill".oh, and marvel/New Line didn't pussied out and give it a PG-13 rating either.<p>Motherfuck a Happy Meal!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Damn!

    by Star Hump

    You guys make me want to see Blade again! Persuasive. I recall really liking the first one (and I fucking hate vampires) and was quite entertained by the second one too. I never read the original comics but it came across as a really fresh idea - you know- Daywalker and all. Good support with Kristofferson too.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by DocPazuzu

    If you can, seek out the Maskhead talkback. There are basically only two people defending that torture porn piece of shit (as well as the other Toe Tag Productions). Another talkbacker did some online research and found out that these two guys were one and the same person and had also pimped the hell out of Toe Tag shitpiles all over the internet. <p> Plants will chime in and defend their ghoulish work if they see that they're angle is being lost in the talkback. <p> The best example is the AvP: Requiem talkbacks. Lots of "long time reader, first time poster" types showed up claiming to be geeks and defended that film like crazy. They'd never been seen on these boards before, and haven't been seen since.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Sorry, DKMODE...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...there have been plenty of favorable reviews on this site which haven't been called out as plantworks. If you really are a fan of plant talkbacks there's no way in hell you would have fucked up so bad. <p> Nice try, though. <p> Just out of curiosity, what were your earlier usernames?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    they're...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...=their, of course

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by The Dark Shite

    It wouldn't be "fucking stupid" at all, to talk to a guy who knows your identity in your normal voice. <p> Because he isn't "Bruce Wayne, playboy" to Lucius Fox. He doesn't pretend to him. To him, he's Bruce Wayne, who goes out dressed as a bat. The same Bruce Wayne who occasionally fights bad guys without the suit. The voice is as much of a disguise of who he really is, as the playboy persona.<p> The real Bruce Wayne is basically Batman & Lucius Fox already knows the guy behind the playboy image. There was absolutely no need to do the voice & anything you say to the contrary is just an opinion, the same as mine is. I just found it took me out of the movie. <p> If they stuck with the "No questions asked" thing from the 1st movie, then it would be normal, but to have Lucius say to him earlier "You wanna be able to move your neck", thus showing the audience that by now he's in on absolutely everything, then have him show up later talking growly, was just silly. I don't care if Bruce Wayne's a "method actor", it just seemed stupid. He doesn't talk like that to Alfred.<p>

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:55 a.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by AsimovLives

    I don't hat ethe movie, i dismiss it as a dumb atempt to turn a smart comic into a movie. Zack Snyder's shallow surface "faithfulness" did not impressed me in the slightest. All surfaces and little heart and soul. The movie is like a bad clone that got dumber through the process. The only scene that actually approaches the comic is the Doctor Manhanthan's soliloquy/rememberence scene, and that's msotly because of the use of Philip Glass' music, which, i fully admit, was an inspired choice and bordering on genious. But that's it. If only the whole movie had been done in that spirit and that intelligence. But that would be too much for poor Zack Snyder. This is the guy who made 300, after all.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    As much as I liked The Dark Knight...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...that voice is awful and made me cringe every time I heard it. It was even worse than in Batman Begins. Nolan needs to smack Bale a bit more.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Haven't seen those DocPazuzu..

    by The Dark Shite

    I'll have to check them out. <p> Come to think of it, I remember now, I once wrote on an Anvil TB, saying I'd seen the film & that they seemed like nice guys, but that it was a bit rubbish. I had responses from guys I'd never seen here before, saying there was no way I could have possibly seen it & how evil I was for not loving it. Something about it gave me a feeling it was the Anvil guys:-).

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by DocPazuzu

    heh...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    No, The Dark Knight is not emitional in the sense that

    by AsimovLives

    it doesn't use melodramatic soap opera bullshit to try to manipulate audience's emotions with cheap tricks, like as you cna find in STINO and so many other hack jobs. No, TDK's emotions are genuine. And genuine emotions do not pull for the easy emotionalisms. A genuine emotion doesn't mean you get all emo on the scene. It's to be felt isndie, it's to hit hard inside. and not just surfaces displays of emotionalism, which are the real enemy of real emotions. The Dark Knight and the people who made it know what they are doing. They did the right thing. People who think TDK has no emotion and prefer more open pyrotechnicslike that infamous Kirk Dad's death in STINO, it's people who like to be emotionally manipulated by soap opera cheap trickery. It's emo. As in, not very good. Give me the true emotions of TDK anyday of the week. I have no use for emo soap opera cheap melodrama bullshit.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST

    SirLoin does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Now i'm jealous!<p> I'll have to go rummage around in the attic or something. Hopefully my old ALIEN comic book's not totally lost to the dojo...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree with Asimov..

    by The Dark Shite

    Not that I wanna join in the Star Trek thing. I got bored of that after Bob Orci's drunken rambling night:-).<p> But yeah, there's a difference. Things like the Star Trek opening, are pure manipulation. I mean, all movies manipulate emotions of course, but a death of a loved one & a birth (the two biggest things that can ever happen to us), both at the same time? That's a bit far. Sentimental overkill.<p> TDK has a lot of emotion & depth, it's just measured & subtle. I think it's a pretty cold movie generally & the subtlety reflects that.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Ace of wands.

    by The Dark Shite

    I'm not gonna debate it with you. If you need to be arrogant & talk down to me as if I can't understand a movie about a man who dresses as a bat (despite my phd & my massive collection of batman comics stretching back 60 years), then you can fuck off.<p> I will add though, again, that he doesn't speak like that to Alfred when he's in the suit. So, that kinda renders your psychosis theory useless. & also, like I said, that's your interpretation. It's an opinion. At no point has anyone said why he talked like that to Fox. <p> Go talk down to someone less intelligent than you if you need the ego boost.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    toad & Morbius, I suspect that Dilbynuggets degenerate is Choclatewoman. Same personality disorder - doesn't post anything about movies just crude drunken insults. I'd hoped that freak had fucked off.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I got that impression Cobra--Kai

    by The Dark Shite

    Just skimming through the TB I noticed the telltale signs, (mainly everyone she/he/it talks to eventually ends up being called fat & having their um, manhood, questioned). She's a waste of space.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:22 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, you said it

    by IndustryKiller!

    I think at this point its pretty God Damn obvious that 90% of the people who don't like Dark Knight don't want there comic book films to have an ounce of cerebral heft. I mean for Christ sake we are seeing people rate Blade 1 as the best comic book film ever. Blade? It's just silly slick action. ANd not even that well directed or written at that. It works on the same level as, I dunno, The Transporter or some other middling fare. And Ill never forgive it for starting the whole "vampirism is a disease!" bullshit, the vampire genre still hasnt recovered from that tired worthless trope. And saying Spider Man 2 is even close to TDK is patently ridiculous. First of all the villain is completely superfluous while simultaneously being the only worthwhile part of the film, a deadly combo. All the character relationships are forced bullshit. Dunst and Macguire have ERO chemistry and arent even playing reasonable facsimiles of their brilliant comic book counterparts They also have the same melodramatic tired bullshit conversation about where their relationship is going over and over and over. It's Spider Man by way of MTV and its fucking weak. A truly great Spider Man film has never been made but if there is one its the first film, when it was still acceptable that Macguire is playing a third rate Revenge of the Nerds reject and at least Willem Dafoe, while again mostly wasted, classes up the joint.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:29 a.m. CST

    I will..

    by The Dark Shite

    Several scenes in Batman Begins.<p> Again, though, you have to be an arrogant prick & say I "don't get it", just because I happen to think it's stupid. I "get" exactly what you're saying. It's not hard to work out King genius. <p> I'll say it one last time: At NO point, has anyone involved in the film mentioned psychosis or anything like it. It's your interpretation. As a Batman man (hence my name, I'm pretty sure he would be a nutjob), but that doesn't change the fact that you're talking about YOUR OWN theory & trying to talk down to me, as if I don't understand it.<p> The voice annoys me. I don't think there was a valid reason to use it when talking to Lucius Fox. It looked stupid. That's my opinion. Just because you have your own ideas, (ideas that Nolan has NEVER spoken about-again, I'm a masive Batman fan, I'd know if he had), that doesn't make you right & every fucker else wrong.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    That should have said Batman fan..

    by The Dark Shite

    by the way. Not batman man. But fuck it. You've got your theory. I know what you mean. You're not a genius for thinking it. It's staggeringly simple in terms of its complexity. I just find the voice annoying. That's all.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:37 a.m. CST

    I'm not talking to you anymore..

    by The Dark Shite

    Maybe if you hadn't been an arrogant prick about it, we might have had an interesting discussion about a character I have a pretty good knowledge of. But if there7s one thing that annoys me, it isn't people trolling or flaming, it's people who assume their theory must be right(& it is a theory of your own making, NOT one ever supported by comments from Noaln et al) & that you somehow have the right to denigrate another person as an idiot for having an opinion which doesn't match yours.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Again!

    by The Dark Shite

    Fuck me..<p> Listen to yourself mate & give your head a shake. I quote: "although it appears mine may be based on a little more studying of the film than yours, but what the hey."<p> Really? & you assume that based on what? Have you watched me with binoculars & counted how many times I've watched The Dark Knight? <p> Or is it just that I think dfifferently to you that gives you such a smug tone? How fucking arrogant can you get?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by DocPazuzu

    A lot of comic books are "just silly slick action", so for a film like Blade to capture that essence so well is not a bad thing. The comic version of Blade wasn't exactly deep, either.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:51 a.m. CST

    What i don't understand is the people who bitch at

    by AsimovLives

    Batman's voice in Nolan's movies. What, he should use his normal voice, to there's a chance of recognizing him? You got to be kiding, right? He's a msked avenger, he's MASKED, and the mask shouldn't just be about covering his face. He has to be FULLY IN DIGUISE. And that also includes his voice. The Bat Voice is one of the best things in both movies. It's also the indication when Bruce Wayne is inhis mental Batman mode and when he's out of it. In Batman Begins, he let it laps once when he's driving Rachael Dawes to his lair after she was poisoned by Scarecrow, and when Dawes slumber,s Bruce Wayne screams his name in his voice. He paniced and droped the Batman "character". In the later movie, THe Dark Knight, the Batman character is never dropped. In fact it's the Bruce Wayne that drops in favoruof Batman. What we see in The Dark Knight is that the Batman persona is now the mor dominant in Wayne's life. And the movie does everythign layer by layer, to remove form Wayne what makes him Wayne,with the sople exceptions of this trusted mentors and father-figures Lucius fox and Alfred. InTDK, we see the progression of a man who is now almost no Wayne and mostly Batman. The first movie hinted at that, that Batman was the real Wayne,a dn Wayne the cover for Batman. In TDK, we se ethat. It's not just lip service anymore, now it' is shown.<br><br>In fact, Nolan did what many filmmakers who make comic book movies claim to do but almost never pull off. Most filmmakers who make this masked avenged movies all that talk about the double personality of the masked avenger is jsut talk, lip service for a dialogue scene. But in TDK, Nolan SHOWS US THAT. It's a movie abotu people splitting in two, their civilian self and their avengers self, and both is presented in both Wayne as Batman and Harvey Dent as later Two-Faces. With a nice duality about it.<br>In Bruce Wayne, we have the "civilian" personal who is an ass, he's the lesser figure. And Batman, he's the upholder of justice and peace, motivated by high ideals. In Harvey Dent, it's the civilian character who is the white knight, but when he loses all and gets his own "mask", he becames a villain. Again, Dent's downfall help us understand the depth of dedication of the persona of Batman, who whenhe wears the cow and looks like a monster, he's at it's most humanist.<br>And the joker tells us what happesn when a person becames the mask and the mask only. no humanit,y just a monster with a painted face, the painted face being the real face. I mean, then only time the joker actually goes in diguise, is when he doesn't use any clown make up and passes for one of the salvo policement at the Commissioner's funeral.<br><br>I see in TDK an extremely well though out movie. That 's beyond obvious to me. As clear as freash spring water. and to see people bashing TDK as a bad movie and with such poor arguments, i really have to wonder, what kind of movies this people really like? Certainly it cann0t be the intelligent,d etailed ones made by taletned and intelligent filmmakers. Do this people resent that intelligent movies get made or something? And comic gooeks, of all people? Who understands this shit?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    My own display?

    by The Dark Shite

    Really? Maybe you should re-read the TB? I said I found it silly that Bale used the growly voice to Lucius Fox. That's an opinion & I'm entitled to it. I don't think the fictitious characters of Batman & Lucius Fox would mind. So there's not much arrogant about it. <p> You then came out with uncalled for & patronising remarks & I'm not gonna sit & talk about the movie after that. I told you that after your first arrogant remark. I've replied since, only to respond to the constant stream of "head up arse" syndrome coming from you. NOT to talk about the film, because there's no point discussing something with someone who thinks he must be right & anyone who disagrees is wrong. It's pointless. <p> I hope you only talk to people like that when you're a big man behind a screen though & not in the street. As delusional as you are, I wouldn't want you to get the shit kicked out of you every single day. I'm done.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    another thing that makes me laugh at the people

    by AsimovLives

    who bitch about Batman's voice and that he got to say a 4 line long tirade put in the midst of a dialogue in that voice. What makes me laugh is that this same people then could not stop shouting the praises of Jackie Earle Haley for his performance as Rorschach, including his voice, his PERMANENT NON-STOPING SUPER-ROUGH VOICE. Batman in TDK speaks a few lines with that voice and people bitch like bitches. Rorschach speaks the whole movie with an even rashier voice then TDk's Batman and gets praised to kigdom come. Who understands this shit? The point her eis not to criticise Jackie Earle Haley for his performance as Rorschach of the voice he uses in the movie, which is to the point. and so is Batman's voice. The point here is to showthe absurd some people go and how little consistent they are with their criticism. Batman's rash voice is bad but Rorschach is good? Give me a break!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    & just for the record..

    by The Dark Shite

    I don't have a problem with batman's voice. I actually defend it. I simply found that it took me out of the movie in that one scene. Again, it's a question of opinion.<p> It doesn't entertain your own personal theories? That's a shame. But it's what I think.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Because many comcis are silly that means

    by AsimovLives

    the movies shouldn't be more serious in tone? The movies have to be silly too? so, the difference of medium of the comcis and movies doesn't aply in this anymore? Facny that!<br><br>Ghost In The Shell: a silly funny comic with hugh breasted cyborg woman with exagerated dools-eyes. Turne dinto a movie which is very adult, realism striving, and in all ways the Heat of anime. A mvoie whcih is actually better and more intelligent and serious then the comic it's based upon. Thank goodness that Mamoru Oshii didn't decided to go silly as the comic when he made his movie anime adaptation. imagien if he had been a slave to that notion. silly comic = silly movie. Thank goodness for intelligent filmmakers who actually take their job seriously.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:08 a.m. CST

    No, Nolan got it wrong, the Batman movies, should all be

    by AsimovLives

    as silly as the Adam West Tv show. That's what he should had done. That way, the Dumb Lovers crowd would had loved the mvoies and he would be spared the criticism of the low expectations dumb lovers crowd. Becasue that's what really fucking matters the opinions of people aversed to intelligence. Christopher Nolan completly went off the mark, he should had kissed the ass of the dumb lovers crowd. What an idiot!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Talking to yourself Asimov?

    by The Dark Shite

    That's a sign of madness you know:-). <p> I don't see anyone saying Batman shouldn't be talen seriously.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    That's nice Ace of Wands..

    by The Dark Shite

    The way you can be nice to people who agree with you entirely, but act like a prick to someone who dislikes one scene in a movie. <p> By the way, after all of that, I should probably tell you what I would have said if you hadn't been arrogant. <p> I actually agree with you. I STILL think the scene's fucking stupid & it STILL annoys me & I won't change my mind. However, the only explanation I worked out for it being there was the same as yours. So yes, I did think they talked about it beforehand & discussed which voice he would use. Of course I did. If anything I thought about it more, because I think they chose the wrong way & it annoyed the fuck out of me. Just try to not be so fucking arrogant to people & maybe they'll reply in a better manner. I knew exactly what you were saying, because I thought the same thing. I just happen to not like it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Ok.

    by The Dark Shite

    I can't be bothered. I'm not well today (which is why I snapped at you being cocky). But, yeah, I was talking about the scene in the car. Also the scene in the lift (elevator, whatever you wanna call it), although I fucked up with that one because he wasn't in the suit. So I admit I fucked up the Alfred compaison, probably because I feel like death warmed up. <p> It doesn't change the fact that in my opinion, speaking that way to Lucius Fox was stupid. As I said in my last post, I'm aware they must have discussed it beforehand. I just found it redundant, regardless of psychosis or anything else. Batman IS Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne IS Batman. Batman is just an outward extension of the real Brice Wayne. That's how it's always been throughout the movies & the comic books until Burton got a hold of them. <p> The comics, all the lore have it as simple as that. Batman is just a suit. The real Bruce wayne is the same with or without it. Ergo, the growl should be purely an affectation to disguise his voice. So, while I do understand what you mean (believe it or not superbrain) & had thought of that myself, I don't like it. <p> They can't have it both ways. Whatever Psychosis he has, is there even without the suit, which is a meansd to an end. & to say "well, it only happens when he wears the suit", well that's just fan theory, because it's never been said. So in that sense, a theory disagreeing with it, is equally as valid.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST

    My last one..

    by The Dark Shite

    I've got the flu & my head's swimming, so I'm leaving the pc for a while. <p> I guess the best way for me to sum up my opinion, is that they chose to approach that scene the wrong way. Of course it's obvious that they're insinuating he has some kind of dual identity psychosis (in a similar way that Burton's movies did). However, Burton's movies weren't batman movies. They just featured a guy who dressed as a bat. He even had him killing people. <p> In the mythology, as long as it's been around, there is no identity crisis with Batman & never has been. Batman & Bruce wayne are one & the same, with or without the suit,(only the fake playboy is an affectation). That's the way it's always been. So, while the scene with Fox insinuates he's a nutjob, it was the wrong decision. He probably is a nutjob, but not in that way. That's my opinion. They could have gone 2 ways & I didn't like the way they chose. I can't believe all of this came from me not liking one scene in a movie. Me fingers are bleedin.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    ...THE VOICE is pretty fucking distracting. I wish it wasn't...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...because I like Bale. After seeing BEGINS I somehow convinced myself that it was some sort of tech gadget in or on his throat to disguise his identity. They came up with relatively real-world solutions for most of his other gear so it would have fit in the movie.<P> I even defended THE VOICE a few times with my little imaginary theory...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    ...I think Bale could have done it himself, THE VOICE...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...could be exactly as it is. If there had been some casual reference to some sort of voice changing technology they could have sidestepped the whole thing.<P>It doesn't ruin the movie or anything, but the complaint comes up again and again...and not just with us obsessives. It would have been nice to avoid the whole thing.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:09 a.m. CST

    ...every paragraph must contain the words "

    by FlickaPoo

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:10 a.m. CST

    ...the words "the whole thing". It's what I say now...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I need more coffee.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by AsimovLives

    Actually, there are people who complaiend that the Nolan's Batman are too serious. They even used the TDK's famous one-liner "Why So Serious?" to that effect. Hell, when Batman Begins was frist reviewed at it's theatrical release, half the negative reviews were about how wrong the movie was for taking itself so serious and was not as fun and campy as the Adam West or the timb burton directed and produced batmans. you forgot about that already? also, look in here, at AICN, and how many people lamenr that Batman in Nolan's mvoies habve became "too serious", "too drametic", not "enough fun", blablabla blablabla blablabla.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    ...I am one of those people. See above.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by AsimovLives

    That scene anoys you. No one disputes that. but it's not stupid, and that's the point. It's a pity you just happeend to find anoying a scene which is smart and is important for the overall story. But don't take this as a criticism on you, because most of the time i in complete agreement with you. Your posts are very good and well wroten and smartly put. I enjoy reading your posts, even if i so happen to occasionally disagree with you, but so what?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by AsimovLives

    Well, thankfully i'm not, and thus, i happen to enjoy the magnificently well made and intelligent Batman movies directed by Christopher Nolan. God, nothing beats a well though out, well made, intelligent movie. They are those who do kick ass.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    ...I agree that it's a good and well crafted movie...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I just think it's not enough fun. I admired it, but have no real desire to see it again.<P>It's really just a police drama with fancy outfits. The problem is that there are much better crime dramas out there...if I'm in that sort of mood I'll watch THE WIRE.<P>I also think that it has such a serious/real world approach that the costumes start to be a problem. If you have created a world so convincing that dressed up superheros no longer seem very plausible then I guess you are doing a good job. Still, it's distracting.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    ...I think when people talk about how "intelligent"...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...TDK is, they really mean how "intelligent" it is for a superhero movie.<P>There are much better examples of crime drama. A superhero movie's first job is to kick ass...and I think that TDK failed a little in that department.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by AsimovLives

    I have a theory, maybe i should call it an hypothesis for accuracy's sake, of why in the scene with Lucious Fox Batmna talks with his Batman voice and not with the Bruce Wayne voice. And again, this is a PERSONAL INTERPRETATION, so i don't claim this is what Nolan did, for i never head him talk on the subject.<br><br>But the way i see it, this is one of the rare moment sin the movie where it abandons it's mostly naturalistic style and becames hyper-stylized. It's extremely subtle, but there is a drama tic point that scene wants to make, and that is, in this subjec,t IT'S BATMAN SEPAKING more to the audience then to Lucius Fox. It's Batman putting on the table,a nd more important, the movie, the subjacent dramatic content and what is at stake with the actions they are about to comit. One could say, yes, it's Batman, but why not use his normal Bruce Wayne voice? Fox knows who Batman is, should they be talking like they usually do when they talk about the hardware for the batsuite and the gizmos to be used? But remember this: if memory serves me, this is the only moment in both movies where Lucious sees Bruce Wayne as Batman, in all his Batman regalia. He always deals with him as Bruce Wayne who is Batman on the moments they ar enot with each other. This is the very first time Lucius actually sees Batman.<br><br>The stylization serves to point out that this are bigger stakes in the game now. This is the time for Batman to be Batman and Batman only. And what he is doing now, is as Batman, and it will all reflects on Batman as a person and as a caped crusader. aslo, it's another subtle hint from the movie on how dominating the Batman persona has became. to the point that it's no longer Bruce Wayne talking, it's Batman talking.<br><br>Now, you could accuse Nolan for going TOO SUBTLE with his point. you could be right. But me,i love that he went that subtle, and unappologetically so. It's stuff like this that makes me think about the movie, and thus, makes me love the movie so much. and why TDK is such an antidote to the simplsitic bullshit that we get bombabered day in day out by Holywood's studios and their hacks. TDK marks the difference, it makes the difference, and it reminds me why i love movies so much. The mroe i watch it, and the more i think about it, the more i love TDK. Which is an excelent feeling to have.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, your post about 'the masks' in TDK is prob the most insightful i've read on this tb (apart from mine of course!), bravo.<p> I don't know why but when Joker is disguised as a police officer at the funeral I always imagined him as wearing skin color make-up 'on top' of his joker make-up. That does actually seem ridiculous when I think about it, but perhaps is a testament to how convincing Heath was in the role.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    As usual, AssLives just doesn't get it.

    by DocPazuzu

    As far as I know, NOBODY has attacked the voice as a concept. What's been attacked is its execution. The voice is BAD. Bale should either have gone for a different kind of voice, or one more subtle. Obviously he can't pull it off. It's one of those minor things that even could have been tinkered with in post, where sound technicians could alter his voice in an impressive, intimidating and believable way. <p> As it sounds now, its like a Batman Vicks commercial. <p> "Swear it *cough cough*... Swear it *cough cough gaaaghh* ..." <p> (villain hands Batman a lozenge) <p> (Batman puts it in mouth and makes frozen, whoooshing sound) <p> "SWEAR IT TO MEEEEEE!!!!!!!"

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    ...AsimovLives, did I hear someone mention once...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that you're in Portugal?<P>If that's true...good god the good and cheap wine you must drink all day.<P> If I didn't get mine for free I would be jealous.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    He doesn't drink wine.

    by DocPazuzu

    He drinks "tequilla" because he heard it's James Cameron's favorite drink. <p> True story, that.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    ...no Portuguese wine?...say it isn't so.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Well Mammaries DOES whine...

    by Sal_Bando

    Usually it has the words 'Jar Jar Trek' and 'Shit Bay' thrown in. Our replies include the words 'goat' 'Inbred' and 'landfill', depending on the context.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands: Good posts!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    I've enjoyed reading your theories and thoughts on the Batman movies. Well thought out, sir! Don't worry about certain other members of this TB. They're just being stupid.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:37 a.m. CST

    ...Re: The AsimovLives sexual tension/play hate...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...does this go back to some sort of STAR TREK feud? Those are the only talkbacks I never enter...don't have an opinion and wouldn't care to acquire one.<P>Otherwise Asimov always seems like a decent and well read fellow.<P>He hates god, I suppose that would irritate some people. If there is a god I assume he can handle it though...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    ...living in Portugal and not drinking wine tough...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...that's immoral.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by AsimovLives

    You have no diea how many exceltn wine is so cheap in here. you could life an entire lifetime drinking great wine, and those would just be the more affordable ones. If you go to the really expensive stuff, you would think you were in heaven drinkign ambrosia. Yes, we have lots of very good wines, pardon the boast. France and Italy might have the fame, and it's justified, but my country has greats wines which are second to none. If you like wine, you would love visit my country.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Asimov does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Flickapoo, Asimov is a Jekyll and Hyde character. Speak to him about Portugese Wine or comic book superheroes and he's a good guy, speak about the new STAR TREK on the other hand and he turns into a uber-opinionated maniac.<p> Still dont think he deserves the abuse he gets. Luckily the fucker seems to be incredibly thick-skinned, so there you go...<p> ps. Asi sorry to talk about you, with you in the tb and all.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    ...I know, Mrs. FlickaPoo is in the wine business...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...even here in the US Portuguese wine is arguably the best value for your money by far. I can only imagine what you can pick up for a few dollars at your local grocery store...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    last boy scout

    by caspartine

    seems to be a plant from a rival studio, he admits to being at an industry screening,so he must be a professional who failed to acquire the film and is now fearing his stupid decision. if he had such strong views of the movie why didnt he post them months ago after he saw the film. too much intense negativity for there not to be an agenda, sounds like a typical sad suit

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    He's a humorless twat...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...who will shoehorn Star Trek into ANY and ALL talkbacks. He's already mentioned it twice in this one. <p> Troll city.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    By all means. Pretend i'm not here.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    and Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    It's a tiny bit unfair what you said about me and STINO. While i don't deny that i'm passionate in my posts about it, and i don't even bother to disguise it, i do my bes tto, at least with people i hav enot talked too often with about the subjec,t to explain wher ei came from about that movie. and now that i have listened to the audio comentary of the DVD, i have even more ammo for my position agaisnt STINO, specially against the clowns who made it. It's now even almost too easy, as if shooting fishes in a barrel. But it's their fault. but again,i do try to explain, many times in great detail wtih very long posts, why i think as i do. Even some people who like STINO have come to appreciate that efforts from me, good level headed people like rogueleader, MattmanBegins and southafricanguy, people i hav enothing but the utmost respect and sympathy, despiste they liking for that STINO piece of shit.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    And i'm not that comic book knowledgable as that

    by AsimovLives

    but i love what Nolan has been doing in his Batman movies, and those movies have sparked passion and awe in me. Which makes me into their supporter and defender, as of Nolan too. I've became a Batman fan because of Nolan, and that's no exageration.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by AsimovLives

    Oh we get the good stuff alright. That's the bauty in my countr,y good wine at pretty acessible prices.<br>I'd liek to ask you a question, concerning the portuguese wines you get in USA. i'm certain that you get Porto and Madeira, as you would. Been the most exported porturugese wines since yonders. But the other wines, could i ask you if you know if they are wines from Alentejo? I ask you this because it's known that most foreigners their entry wines for the portuguese wine is the wine of alentejo, which has a sweeter taste, adn thus it's easier to like and more palatable to msot foreing tastes not accostumed to drinkign wine. In fac,t evne emong portugueses the wine of Alentejo is very well appreciated. And it's sweet taste nature makes many people never return back to the other regional wines, even among the portugueses.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Asi, the idea of you having 'more' ammo to shoot at STAR TREK worries me!!<p> Come on dude, maybe it's time to move on? At least until the sequel...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    And of course you should know about Vinho Verde

    by AsimovLives

    Vinho Verde (rough translation: green wine) is called aso because it's new wine. In portuguese, to call something green is an euphemism for new, as in english. Vinho Verde is sweet new wine that comes from the region of Minho, and it's very popular. It's great to drink cool, as it would, and to go with fish dishes, specially seafood like shellfishes, prawns, lobster, etc. And i fear you migth not even getting the real best stuff, only the more commercial.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Worst Part in Any Superhero Movie, the Bat-Voice, Watchmen

    by Autodidact

    is when they cut away to a Macy Gray performance for a minute in Spider-Man. <p> The bat-voice is a bit overdone, but I actually agree with the theory that Bruce is a method actor of sorts, although with him it goes even deeper. When he puts on the suit he truly becomes Batman and the voice just comes out because he's trying to be "a wraith". <p> Watchmen movie failed because, like Alan Moore said, what makes Watchmen great is particular to comic books. It's not the plot or the big blue swinging cock. It's the TELLING of the fucking story, which cannot be translated between mediums, even if you make a 12-part miniseries to match the source structure. I fucking resent the existence of the Watchmen movie, but it does serve as a useful tool for sorting out those who really think about the superhero medium from those who merely like to see violence done by people in costumes.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    But you see, i want the sequel to happen. So, it's the first movie that will get the piss, so to speak. I'm in full suport that the sequel happen, because i want my belly of laughs from the next top Dumb movie. And i say that Abrams and Co. shouldn't emend anything. they shouldn't try to go for different directions, or go for a different mood, or go for a deeper tone, or go topical, or go whatever they can't even decide yet what they should fix in the fist mvoei for the second. I don't think they should fix anything. That's wrong. They already set the tone and the nature of their STINO universe. It's too late for major indeep repairs. they should had though of that beforehand before making or when making the first movie. Now, the most important for them is to keep consistency. It's conssitency that is the most important thing that the franchsieandany facnhise, shoudl strive for. For good or ill, that's teh STINO universe they created, it's what we got, it's what they should play with. To try to revise and fix it would be an admission of failure.<br><br>And lets put in the shoes of the fans, of the people who supported and liked STINO: the movie is popular right now. It got a reasonable commercial sucess enough to indicate that it was popular and accepted. It means that the movie, despsite all the things i and the neysayers rightly say about it, the movie works for many people like this. To change, to "fix" it, is to depart from the very thing that made it liked and accepted. doesn't it risk alienating the very people who supported inthe first place? i say, keep it consistent. Make STINO 2 the same way they made STINO 1. Don't fix, move foward. At least it will make happy the very people which really matters for STINO, the people who supported and liked it and helped it made bank.<br>If for the fans it isn't broken, then don't fix it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Autodidact

    by AsimovLives

    Oh man, you had to remind me of the Marcy Gray scene in the first Spider-Man movie! Goddamit, that was so lame and dumb! That is one of the reaosns i can't bring myseldf to buy the DVD or blue-ray of Spider-Man 1. While on the whole i like it, there's too many moments like that which robs me of enough enthusiasm to make be willing to fork out the sheckels to buy it. I had no such quals about buying the Spider-Man 2 DVD, though.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Okay Asi, fair enough but how about a STAR TREK 'amnesty'? At least in non ST tb's?<p> Please - for the sake of us regular readers' sanity!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    And the fucking Nickleback horrible song at the end too!

    by AsimovLives

    What the fuck was that for? Who was that music supposed to please? Emo 13 years old girls? Fuck's sake, that song was horrible! Fucking ass!<br><br>I still can't fucking believe the good luck we get that nolan didn«'t put some dumb as scorporate rock hit wonder of the moment for the end credits of any of his Batman movies. That alone tells what a thoughful, truly talented, honest and integrous Christopher Nolan is. I still can't believe we got it that good.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Cobra--Kai

    by AsimovLives

    We all go abit insane sometimes. Beside,s it's kinda inevitable, as in, if we are to coment about good gerne blockbuster movies and then some ass tries to make a good movie into a bad one because they lack intelligence to appreciate them, and there's a nee to comparison to show what shit rreally looks like, what can one do? Maybe we should use Terminator 4 as the comparison and yeardstuck for a shit blockbuster, is that what you say? I can go with that, but the thing is, while T4 is a horrible piece of shit, yes still, it is not as charismatic in it's awfulness. What says you, friend?<br><br>The point is, if we are talkign about godo mvoies, a bad movie will inevitably be brough in as way of comparison. Hell, this talkback is proof of that, this is a talkback about Kick-Ass, and for a long time already we turned this into a talkback about The Dark Knight. Think about it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST

    yeardstuck = yardstick

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Um.... AsimovLives

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    In a talkback where you've already told us "it's the first movie that will get the piss, so to speak", I don't think you need to tell us yeardstuck=yardstick. I'll let you off as English isn't your first language but, seriously dude, fixing one word in a post for you is like shooting one soldier in the Nazi army. It doesn't really do much to help.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    One Soldier Nazi Army

    by FreeBeer

    It would help, if that soldier was going to go on and become Hitler 2!!!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai

    by DrMorbius

    That's kinda the way dodgynuggets struck me after a while too, and why I left the TB, didn't matter what anyone said. But ChoclateWoman (CuntChocula) and 'fisting rights', perhaps...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    First of all, leave CW outta this

    by PeanutButterSlut

    She's my bro. Fuck u Dr..... <p> Anyways, this is why TDK kinda sucks. <p> Long chunks of boringness. I wanted to see bat-fu, karate, hitting, beating, splosions, and a bangable female lead. <p> Instead I was burdened with "Horse Face Gyllenhall" cuntmaster bitch. She was boring, ate hay, chewed her chud, ate hay, chewed, ate hay, and fucked batman (?) <p> Gary Oldman is fucking overrated. <p> Michael Cain is also fucking overrated. Cain's best performance is in Ms. Congeniality. Oldman gave his best in 5th Element. <p> The batpod was cool. But didn't fit in the film. It was actually kind of fun. <p> There's about a trailer worth of exciting footage, the rest is tarded.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Oh and Warciples

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Where art thou' ?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    caspartine

    by TheLastBoyScout

    Shit man, you got me! What gave it away? The fact I admit it was an industry screening? Yes, of course, I must be from a rival studio, sad that LION'S GATE got the movie and not me???? Dude, do you have any idea the history of the film? It was turned down by every fucking studio! You think the makers of Kick-Ass WANT it to be released by Lion's Gate instead of a real studio? You're out of your mind dude. And why would I bother to send in a negative review? I'm not a hater who goes out of his way to bash something. It sucked, so I moved on. But when I see obvious plants gushing about shit that was awful, I can't hold my tongue. A buddy of mine worked with Vaughn on X3 before he got booted from directing it. That's where my invite came from. Happy?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    MJ to play Joker in next movie

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Another dead druggy for the role would be win! <p> Too Soon? <p> Fuck you guys!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry about that last post

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Was meant for the TV ratings TB

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    BTW, TLBS

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Was a terrible film....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Oh my god...

    by dilbynuggets

    you people are really contributing to society here. What tremendous insights, what awe inspiring missives and prose you are typing out for the ages. It's like a massive circle jerk where half of you are stroking each other dicks, and the other half are punching each other in the balls. What an amazing community of opinion, conjecture, and grand ideas you are. You are worthy of attention, respect and perhaps the Nobel Prize. Pray, do go on, let me digest more kernels of your sagacity, wisdom, and judgement. Bravo, aintitcool talkbackers, bravo.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Keaton's Batman vs Bale's Batman

    by TheLastBoyScout

    The problem with making Batman ultra realistic is that it renders the character absolutely preposterous. The world that Burton created, you can buy a Batman in it. And Keaton did a great job with little to work with. Nolan tries too hard for realism, and in his world, a guy like Batman would never be taken seriously. When he is on the roof with Dent and Gordon and they're all just having a conversation....easily one of the most ridiculous scenes in any movie. In the real world, Gordon or Dent would pull Batman aside and say "Hey man, we appreciate what you're doing, but are you okay? What the fuck is up with this costume and that voice? Are you serious?" No one would take Batman seriously in Nolan's world, but they would in the world Burton set up. This may be a bit too sophisticated for you geeks to appreciate, so I'll leave it at that.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    PeanutButterSlut

    by TheLastBoyScout

    Sacrilege!! Joe Hallenbeck, aka The Last Boy Scout, is one of the greatest screen characters of all time. It is also one of Tony Scott's last good movies before he went off the deep end. Boy Scout gets right what action movies these days forget to, namely, have interesting henchmen!! Kim Coates, Taylor Negron, so fucking good!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    TLBS

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Sir, you have been guzzling the Scott Koolaid my friend......I see there is no reasoning with you. <p> So instead I will call you a fag. FAG!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    so it continues

    by dilbynuggets

    jerk, jerk, ahhhh, punch, punch, AHHHHHH!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded/and part 3

    by PeanutButterSlut

    That is the abosulte tops of the action genre. <p> BTW TDK is more of an emo-docudrama and not really an action film, IMHO...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    AICN TB CIRCLE JERKERS

    by dilbynuggets

    Stroke me, hurt me, stroke me, punch my gonads

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Dilby

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Are you by chance a rider of Harley Davidson motorcycles?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Because your doing the equivalent

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Of riding a noisy bike through this TB! <p> Round these parts we call ur types FAGS! <p> GO HOME FAGGOT!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Oh wait Obama is talking...

    by dilbynuggets

    Health care reform is passing! Sweet, somebody doing something in the world that matters! Sorry I must leave your lively intellectual discussion to watch....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Short but sweet....

    by dilbynuggets

    health care reform will pass... an historic moment

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Peanutbutterslut

    by dilbynuggets

    I drive a mid 80's Hyundi Pony, one of the worst cars ever, or at least mine is. It is barely alive....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Then your nuggets

    by PeanutButterSlut

    can get removed, as you have always wanted to do.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    bump repeat

    by dilbynuggets

    you people are really contributing to society here. What tremendous insights, what awe inspiring missives and prose you are typing out for the ages. It's like a massive circle jerk where half of you are stroking each other dicks, and the other half are punching each other in the balls. What an amazing community of opinion, conjecture, and grand ideas you are. You are worthy of attention, respect and perhaps the Nobel Prize. Pray, do go on, let me digest more kernels of your sagacity, wisdom, and judgement. Bravo, aintitcool talkbackers, bravo.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    I'm having trouble understanding your

    by PeanutButterSlut

    faggot talk. All I know is the Obama toooook uuuur juuuubs!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    for pbslut (sung to the tune of the 60s Batman theme)

    by dilbynuggets

    cunta-cunta-cunta-cunta-cunta-cunta-CUNT-BITCH!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    <p>

    by PeanutButterSlut

    They took our jobs! Tuuk r jooobs! Theeyy tooook uuuuuur JuuuBBBbbbbb! DOOOBER DOOO! *Cockadooodle doo*

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Penisbuttercunt

    by dilbynuggets

    Oh please let us be friends, I admire every word you write. You are an unparrelled genius. I admire all your thoughts and insights. You are in fact the epitomy of high discourse in this crazy world in which we live. Please tell me more; bless with your advice, your humble etches of my defects, and your interprative analysis of my personality. You are the wind beneath my wings

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Problem here is, Dil

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Is that your a faggot AND a pussy. As a douche-bag, I can only flush away the pussy-ness, however your fagoot-ness (sic) can only be cured by a dick. <p> You see, dicks can fuck pussy's and faggots. There's plenty of dicks around here (cough makers of the site cough) so I'm sure you will eventually be fucked!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Yes Dilby, stop interrupting the valuable...

    by Pompoulus

    ... uh...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Sorry ace of wands...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    Rachel saying bruce wayne is the mask, doesn't mean nolan didn't make a bad decision on the voice, or truly understands Bruce Wayne. The animated series got it right. Bruce isn't acting when he's in the suit, he's acting when he's Bruce Wayne in public. As that is the case, his voice should be naturally deep, and Bale should have just lightened his tone when in public. Not doing that not only makes extended dialogue really hokey, but it causes problems like the Lucius Fox scene. I felt like Fox should have said, "listen, could you drop the act when we're speaking alone, it's distracting."

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    ok to be fair

    by dilbynuggets

    Penisbuttercunt is a half brained drooling moron who cut off her own dick to become a woman and hangs out at bus station bathrooms giving blow jobs to diseased winos, who fuck her up the ass, but perhaps I was too harsh on her. I mean at least she is pleasing some people even if they are veneral diesease infected homelesss individuals who pay her with a drink of Thunderbird sweet wine. Give her credit for a job well done. Congratulations.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    my impression of penisbuttercunt

    by dilbynuggets

    "U r a douchebag, oh yeah and you suck cocks homo faggy, guy. plus you like cocks and dicks and u r gay, gaylord!! There I told you" What an intelellectual midget!!!hahahahaha!!! Do your knuckles drag when you walk? Do you have trouble remembering your own name!!!! Oh my god what a imbecile...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Actually

    by PeanutButterSlut

    I'm a jar of peanut butter 'come to life' by the crazy zanyness of a mad scientist bent on turning inanimate objects into TB'ers. <p> Have some fucking respect. <p> Cheers

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    As a jar of peanut butter

    by PeanutButterSlut

    Your talks of genitalia amuse me. Such concepts of primitive sexual reproduction are hilarious for higher forms of animated condiments like me. <p> Try again pitiful biped.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    My words were in refernce

    by PeanutButterSlut

    to the great teachings of Matt and Trey. I wasn't talking about faggots or dicks n the sense your primitive mind may think in. You normals are so strange to me.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Towlie is my cousin by the way

    by PeanutButterSlut

    We get together for the holdiays

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Geezuz.....

    by dilbynuggets

    I thought i would be blessed with some form of combat here instead a have to listen to the idiotic ravings of mentally challenged persons. HOLY FUCK PEOPLE IS anyone here able to duel me!!! I'm tired of trading eloquent prose with raving microscopic rants of penisbuttercunt.. what a waste of my time and effort...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    on Batman

    by dilbynuggets

    Ok as far as Batman’s voice in TDK it was overdone. They actually dropped his voice electronically. Something more subtle would have worked. Also the kick ass nature of Batman’s preparedness was not shown as much as I would like. The uber-Batman from the JLA relaunch would have been nice. Or the Dark Knight as shown in the beginning of Jim Lee’s Hush run. I realize that they did not have enough time in a movie version of the character to highlight these aspects. The Batman I imagine is prepared for every eventuality. Of course they have to make it hard for the hero to achieve his goals otherwise; death on film. Yet the film made a lot of money and is the best representation of the Bat so far. I realize that many shit films have made lots of cash, Transformers anyone? But the Bat needs to have a first story arc that shows how badass he is, how one man, with intellect, ability, and prep can bring down the criminals with ease. Let’s hope he appraches that in the 3rd film if Nolan and Co. ever do it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Sorry Toad

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    But Blade? I mean shit man, come on. I respect the hell out of you, but fuck man, Blade as your number one comic book movie? <p> I gotta go with Dark Knight -yeah it has flaws, what movie doesn't? And for my number two fave I am going for The Incredibles. As for Blade, i'mma hafta do some thinking on that. I probably have it somewhere in my top ten.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Batman's voice in TDK vs. Joker's...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I think it was intentional on the part of the two actors perhaps working together -- that Bale's Batman voice be obviously deep, rough, and put-on in order to contrast the squirrel-ly, nasally, pilled-outta-his-mind inflection that Ledger did when talking as the Joker.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    On Lionsgate's dick-waving & KICK-ASS...

    by Grinning White Skull

    As TheLastBoyScout points out every studio in town passed on KICK-ASS. Lionsgate has gotten a rep as being a "small screen" company, creating and releasing product for direct-to-video or TV viewing. So to wave their dicks the execs at Lionsgate bought KICK-ASS for 50 million to show they are "players" in town who can throw money around. This kind of crap goes on all the time out here.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    How is Lionsgate even around

    by lockesbrokenleg

    All they make are bombs.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    "Batman crashed his bike for no reason"

    by master_of_realty

    WHOOOOOOOSH

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Why I hate Star Trek 2009 - by AsimovLives

    by lockesbrokenleg

    coming soon to finer booksellers everywhere.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    It figures

    by Spazatronik2000

    Dildonuggets thinks this health care bill is something special. Because he's an idiot.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    TheLastBoyScout is an anti-intellectual cunt.

    by BurnHollywood

    I'm still waiting for that noisemaker to tell me why I'm supposed to commit suicide because I hurt his feelings on another Talkback.<p> I've been here six years, fuckface. Nerve up and say your piece. I can wait.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Best opening scene for a superhero movie

    by master_of_realty

    X2

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    yes yes yes

    by dilbynuggets

    Oh how I love it it when you all start to bite and snarl at each other and me! Listen to the churlish insults and profanity! Calling each other fuckface! it's music to my ears! How easily you are alll manipulated! Now you've resorted to calling me dildo nuggets! yes come down to my level, roll in the muck! You are children so easily guided into the low road! Follow me, I'm the pied piper leading you over the cliff!!! Bwaa-ha-ha-ha!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    dilbynuggets

    by BurnHollywood

    The Mad Hatter just called...he wants his patter back.<p> Jervis Tetch or the Carroll original, who gives a fuck.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Cockburnhollywood

    by dilbynuggets

    yes insult me!! The Jerkstore called and they are running out of you!!!Bwaa-ha-ha-ha!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Cockburnhollywood

    by dilbynuggets

    yes insult me!! The Jerkstore called and they are running out of you!!!Bwaa-ha-ha-ha!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    CockburnHollywood

    by dilbynuggets

    Oh yes and I slept with your wife!Hahahahaha

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    everyone

    by dilbynuggets

    c'mon down the rabbit-hole!!!Follow me!hahahahaha

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    by the way

    by dilbynuggets

    When is the new Star Trek DVD coming out? I have got to get one of those.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    TDK had the best opening scene

    by lockesbrokenleg

    At least it was interesting, and it set up the story perfectly.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    TDK was a mess.

    by HagCeli

    Iron Man was great, though.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    TDK was a mess?

    by dilbynuggets

    Holy Shit Batman! Explain why it made so much money and garnered so much critical acclaim. Iron Man was cool too, but that is a very condeming statewment with no explanation.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu

    by DKMODE

    I believe my old username "dsk2" in 05...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    dilbynuggets

    by BurnHollywood

    Sleep with my wife all you want...she's no longer on an "earthly" realm, and I like to watch. Grave dirt only excites me at this point. <p> Did I mention her name was "Alice"?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    TDK WAS a mess...

    by BurnHollywood

    The screenwriter didn't seem to understand that "money" is no longer a physical commodity, but a digital one...<p> That, and the final act was dependent on the good will of a mass of strangers...no such thing. The "good" ferry would light up the convicts ferry in a millisecond if their lives were on the line, and forgive themselves afterward. Maybe by using reusable bags at the supermarket.<p> You don't think people are that superficial? You're cute.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Thank god the AICN doesn't decide box office

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Such a small collection of assholes that think they have the pulse on everything.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by TheLastBoyScout

    We have had dealings in the past? You'll have to forgive me, as I take nothing here seriously, nor do I give it much thought once I'm away from my computer. I doubt you hurt my feelings, but it's possible. Refresh my memory you cunt.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    DKMODE

    by TheLastBoyScout

    What's up dude? You called my criticism weak and under developed, so I responded more fully, and it is met with silence by you. Understandable as most of my points are pretty unassailable as pertains to the shit heap known as Kick-Ass.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    TheLastBoyScout

    by BurnHollywood

    This thread, insect: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42949<p> And I doubt you give much thought to anything when you're AT a computer. :-D<p> "My Lord was this awful"...what kind of milkfed pussy talks like that. Fuck you and your amateur critique. I'd rather get birth control advice from a Kansas City hooker.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by dilbynuggets

    First off the movie is not realistic, it's based on a man that dresses up as a bat to fight crime and avenge his parents death. Second paper and coin money still exist in this world, and banks have a lot of this stuff in stock. I owed a friend of mine 1000 dollars and he insists in being paid in cash. I went to the bank handed over my card to the teller and asked for the cash. they gave me ten crisp 100 dollar bills, so cash still exists in our world as of yet. Also I think your cyniscism is a skewing your judgement of the essential good of humanity. Witness any great disaster on the news and you will see people helping others who they do not even know. I was to a chimeny fire which engaged a whole house in our community with people trapped inside the building. Through the corageous and selfless sacrifice of risking their own lives the couple and their young son managed to be extracated form the building. Look at all the firefighters that perished in 9/11 trying to save people or for that matter in their regular daily work. Besides as a plot device having people being so superficial and cynical does not serve the heroic aspect of the story. And I want to say if someone was drowning in a local river because of flooding I would do everything in my power to try and save that person, unfortunately I believe in the greater good of humanity, and if that is CUTE than so be it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by dilbynuggets

    and don't bug me about spell check, you understood me, I type too fast when I feel passion about the subject on which I'm writing

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    It was also a pile of Mob money

    by IndustryKiller!

    Ooooooold school mobsters at that. Held in a bank they thought no one would ever touch and no one had ever touched in decades. It's completely reasonable to think they would have it stashed in a place like that for easy liquidation. You cant argue with real legal tender whereas wire accounts can be shut down easily.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Well it was a good thread while it lasted.

    by ebonic_plague

    We gave it a good shot. Nobody can say we didn't. <p> (Loads bullets into gun, shoots everyone else in the head) <p> AAAAAAAAGHHHH!! <p> (Army shows up.) <p> AAAAAAAAGHHHH!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Cue Exotic Wailing Bitch

    by ebonic_plague

    EeeeeEEEeeAAAAaaaaoooooOOOOOoyyyYeeeeAAAAAahhhhAAAAAHHHHHhhhhh.....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    ok you facile cunts

    by dilbynuggets

    electronic money can't be traced oh no, that's why major drug dealers insist on visa payments for crack or huge amounts of herion and cocaine. No the feds would never catch wind of that. Jesus what a bunch of idiots. No major criminals do not isist on cash payments, which are untaceable, no they prefer electronic cash payments, which allows them to be completely traced. Holy fuck you really are stupid.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    if there is anything that Sopranos has taught me....

    by dilbynuggets

    is that Tony and the boys like their payoffs in cold hard cash...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Gotham is a lawless (by and large city)

    by dilbynuggets

    which is why they have a Mob bank, get it... do you understand? Do you want me to spell it out for you, you uneducated dickless, brain dead morons...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Industry killer

    by dilbynuggets

    wait... were you supporting my argument or were you simply being sarcastic? It's hard to tell with no sarcastic button for our fonts

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    dilbynuggets

    by BurnHollywood

    "Cash still exists in our world as of yet." Barely. If you owed your friend $1 million or more, you'd be an idiot not to use an e-transfer. As were the crooks in TDK. There would be no pallets of cash for Gordon to confiscate.<p> And an odd thing about human nature is that if people can make a visible sacrifice to help others, they'll do so...horrifically enough, if they can make others suffer for what they perceive as "wrong", they'll also do so, as long as their hands remain clean...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment<p> In the case of The Joker's ferry experiment, it's not even debatable...they'll kill the convicts and forgive themselves later, citing "stress" induced pressure.<p> Much as I liked the rest of the movie's realistic approach, I loathed this Pollyannistic resolution...it utterly undermined the rest of the show.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Can i quit talking ...

    by dilbynuggets

    about movies and instead just insult someone I don't even know... all this thinking and debating makes my head hurt.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    You sir are a...

    by dilbynuggets

    fatalist. If your thinking is to become the last great hope of humanity's future we might as well flush the whole thing down the drain pipe right now. Pollyana was a optimimist, you are a pessimist, I think we need more Pollyannas.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    the last thing we need is...

    by dilbynuggets

    another person telling us we are all doomed. We need hope, enthusiasm, and a glowing view of a viable future. Give us Star Trek, I say, Gene's Star Trek TOS. Cheers, Dilby

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Not at all.

    by BurnHollywood

    What's beautiful is that, if people actually SEE the opportunity to make a difference, they'll sometimes go to heroic efforts to do so. The female cop who shot and stopped that douchebag at Ft. Hood was badly injured herself, for instance.<p> On the other hand, when a person is isolated from the consequences, they'll routinely proceed in the most ruthless and ugly of manners. See Dr. Milgram for details.<p> I'm not going to pretend the facts are different just so you can enjoy a movie with some bat-garbed superhero in it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    so would you include...

    by dilbynuggets

    the decision to bomb Hiroshima among your examples of people isolated from the consequences; just wondering...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    and what's wrong with people deciding not to blow each other up

    by dilbynuggets

    that offends your film writing sensiblilities....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Do you have no view....

    by dilbynuggets

    of a future of a world wide utopian ideal... that we don't exclude ourselves from the consequences, that we act in a rational and humantarian manner. Star Trek TOS envisioned many things that have since become reality... how about a new way of thinking and acting. Humans are the most adaptable lifeform on the planet, it has enabled us to become the most dominant lifeform on earth. Could we not adjust our behaviour, even if it conflicts with Dr. Milgram's studies. Adapt or perish, I say, adapt or perish; choices.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives, regarding Watchmen...

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Well, I disagree. I think Watchmen had a lot going for it, it was entertaining and I thought it had a lot going for it creatively as well. I never thought I would see a truly adult "epic" superhero movie that appealed to intelligent audience. And the fan community shit all over it, and no studio in their right minds would greenlight another "Watchmenesque" film, no matter how good it may be. They learned their lesson that Rated R Superheroe movies that take a more philosophical tone are not to be bothered with.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Hiroshima, definitely...

    by BurnHollywood

    If Truman could imagine one child writhing in agony from radiation-induced burns, history would be substantially different.<p> That's not to say there aren't monsters who can't stare horror in the eyes and fully work at it...Hitler's SS were made up of such aberrations. "The Holocaust" was a Nazi order...making it happen depended on a lot of such indifferent, subhuman creatures.<p> Needless to say, I wasn't a big fan of "The Reader".

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    WATCHMEN was the best comic movie ever...

    by BurnHollywood

    ...Fuck these childish haters. They weren't there when the original comic came out, they don't know...they just think they do, because they saw flawed, well-intentioned attempts like TDK. Or worse, goofy fucking garbage like SPIDERMAN 2 (oh, did you REALLY think that badly paced mess was really a contender? How cute!).

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    my thoughts exactly...

    by dilbynuggets

    Did you ever read about the amount of civiilian deaths in the Dresden carpet bombings performed by the Allies in world war 2. There were more deaths from these actions than Hiroshima. Decisions made by by leaders far and away. The Holocaust, Idi Amin in Africa, the Japanese occupation of CHina, Atrocities, Atrocites, and more. Life on this planet does not deserve it any more. It must end. We have to change or perish.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Watchmen? Ehh, it was all right. But it was all style and no substance.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    mark my words....

    by dilbynuggets

    Woe be unto you who have children in this time. We must WAKE UP! For it has been written. Would you not give a future bountiful and free to your childeren? WOULD YOU? The time has come to put aside our petty grievences on this TB board on AICN, never mind our endless debates of the maerits of STINO or TDK or ROTS, we must stand up for Humanity and the future as envisioned in Star Trek TOS. Join my new religion: Dilbyism. We plan to set up a new community on the remenants of Jonestown in Guyana is South America. Join me AICN TB'ers in a Brave New World. Details to follow....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    dilbynuggets

    by BurnHollywood

    We have changed, we won't perish.<p> Or at least, the timelines where we DO perish are unavailable to you. So it goes.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by BurnHollywood

    The "substance" of WATCHMEN was Alan Moore, which was respectfully obeyed, regardless of the presence of some squid or other...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by TheLastBoyScout

    Yes, now I remember. Eat shit and die you miserable commie, DailyKos and HuffPost reading, Colbert/Stewart watching cunt!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Thus sayeth I...

    by dilbynuggets

    As the leader and visionary of Dilbyism, we must all agree that TDK is the best movie of all time, and dissenters will be punished heartily and harshly. We will force you, with toothpicks propping your eyelids open to watch, on an endless reel, "Superman IV", any Madonna movie other than "Desperatly Seeking Susan", and "Ishtar" or "Water World", perhaps "The Postman" too. Kool-aid and snacks will be served afterwords

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is STINO

    by Autodidact

    It's bugging the shit out of me.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Watchmen ending was effective

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>I did not know about the squid, I just felt like I had been kicked in the stomach and left the theater wondering what I would do in a situation like that, do the ends justify the means?</p> <p>But, like I said the "lovers of genre entertainment" took an enormous dump on Watchmen, all over some fucking squid, and now we'll never have to leave a rated R superhero movie asking big questions ever again.</p> <p>When I left TDK I didn't ask questions about morality, I just was fucking depressed. It was a great movie, don't get me wrong, but the message didn't affect me as much as Watchmen's did. </p>

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    oh....

    by dilbynuggets

    and anyoneth who so declareth that he has been on this siteth since five years ago or any such similiar statement will be drawn and quartered in a manner similiar to the what happened to Mel Gibson's character at the end of "BraveHeart". And If thus said asshole decides to yell out "Freedom!" all other members of our religion, Dilbyism, are free to steal his girlfriend, DVDs, Cheetios, etc

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    STINO

    by dilbynuggets

    This was some clever(so he thought) fucks abbreviation of Star Trek In Name Only. Get it? Just like Stabby's new name should be DWINO, Dick Wad In Name Only.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I have been on this site

    by Autodidact

    Daily since 1996. My existence is sad and pathetic.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Autodicact

    by dilbynuggets

    As is all our lives and existence, Auto, as is all... yes....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands..

    by The Dark Shite

    I've pretty much said what I had to say about the voice thing 'cause I'm ill & I feel like shit. Just one thing..<p> In the scene you mentioned, it's the thug who says "heads/hands up pretty boy", or whatever it is, TO Wayne, who just disarms him & knocks him out. So that doesn't back your theory. Like I said though, I'm not saying you're wrong. You can interpret it that way. Maybe the Fox scene shows that's the case. I don't know. I don't care much. I just don't like that scene.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    ...AsimovLives, if you're still around I will put the....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...professional on for a minute to address your wine questions. I live with a wine professional and have consumed gallons of top shelf wine from the four corners of the world and have retained shockingly little to nothing of the details about regions, countries, producers, varieties, etc... It's embarrassing and unacceptable.<P>I CAN tell you that Vinho Verde has often been a favorite summer wine around here.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't brag about all the time you spend here

    by cylon_conspiracy

    No offense, I do it too, but it's not really a virtue.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    ...dilbynuggets, I'm pretty sure you were doing those...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...great (for a while) Ahmadinejad/insane old testament prophet/homeless person style rants a few months ago. <P>What was you name then?...I want to say Laahrs or something like that.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    flickapoo

    by dilbynuggets

    Asimovlives is a liar as are you. You know nothing of wines, you lived iwith a wine professional yet, you know nothing of the varieties. You strain credibility. Asimovlives claimed Iberian heritage, meaning from Spain, or desended from the Celts, or Kelts, yet never mentioned that he lived in that country. You would be better off to perform a simple Google search, then rely on the wine tasting acumen of the dregs that inhabit this site.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Flickapoo

    by dilbynuggets

    I have never been on this site as anything other than dilbynuggets.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Aceofwands

    by dilbynuggets

    how much more baddas do you want him to be? MORE

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    of course...

    by dilbynuggets

    if he was badass instead of baddas... that would be better

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    ...dilbynuggets, the great thing about the computermachine...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...is that I can walk away from you any time I please. And I'm walking away...<P>Now.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    yea be knowest unto you....

    by dilbynuggets

    that flickapoo has ugly shoes, but what can you do, he bought them at Walmart for $7.92.... thus ends the lesson...

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    walk away if you must

    by dilbynuggets

    I prefer to stay... and defend myself. I joined into this thing with the solemn promise that I would stay and fight no matter what the cost.... apparently not you... wonder why

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    ...you are one loopy string of consciousness...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...monkey on a typewriter motherfucker aren't you? I like the ugly shes thing. I wish you long life and demented children.<P>This was a cool TB though...I kind of wish you hadn't shit the bed.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    why don't they stop people like me from being here?

    by dilbynuggets

    most other message boards do. What is up with Harry and Co. Freespeech? etc.? etc? Why do they let me continue? Do they secrectly hate you and love my amusing antics? Or could they give less than two shits about what you guys are saying so they don't even monitor the boards? Just wondering....

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    thanks flickapoo

    by dilbynuggets

    I was trying to be all biblical and shit... it didn't really wok... but hey... IT RHYMED!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    OH AND FOR FUCKS SAKE

    by dilbynuggets

    yes wok was supposed to be work...i FUCKING KNOW!!!!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    bUT REALLY

    by dilbynuggets

    I really respect you guys and every opinion you put forth; I don't always agree and I suppose I never will, but be that as it may, let's let bygones be bygones. In effect let us act as a civil people versed in polite behaviour, and put aside our differences and have a big TB hug. C'mon guys, I really am ready to take off my mask, are you?

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    No problem Ace of Wands..

    by The Dark Shite

    I might be wrong. But I'm pretty sure the thug says it. I think. Maybe later you'll watch it & see it was Wayne & this'll start all over again:-).I'm not quite so ill today, so I'm 99.9% less cranky.<p> Besides, we both agree it's an amazing film. I just tend to be a purist. I don't want him to have any new psychoses of the film-maker's choosing. That's as bad as Burton making him a killer (how many people did he kill in his 2 films?), or making the Joker his parents' murderer. <p> The way I see it, the character was defined a long time ago & there really isn't a need to add anything. His psychosis has always been his obsession(& the fact that he dresses as a bat & fights crime.Which is obviously more than a bit weird). T<p> Of course, you can say that part of his obsession is an identity struggle. But that would be the director adding stuff that isn't needed. He's just obsessed & that's why he doesn't cross the lines that the villains can cross easily. <p> Making it more than an obsession, isn't really the character & would make someone like the Joker in TDK, right when he says they're the same. In fact, the very essence of the Batman character is the total opposite & the two characters are like chalk & cheese, due in part to the fact that he doesn't really have any psychological problems, other than an all consuming obsession.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Ok case in point

    by dilbynuggets

    I want to see a Batman that every other fucking super powered being on the planet, if they existed in Nolan's world, would be scared of. A Batman that would wade through a bunch of thugs as if they were water without breaking a sweat, taking them out with well placed nerve pinches or martial arts. A Batman that would only let himself get beat down only to serve an ulterior purpose as to the devices he has placed within the room to finally look up and smile a grim smile and say "You are done". One devious and cunning motherfucker that no one and I mean NO ONE would ever wnat to fuck with. That's what I want

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    What I want....

    by dilbynuggets

    is Batman Complete...we've had Batman Begins

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one that misses Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength?

    by Spazatronik2000

    Be careful what you wish for. You wanted him to go away, he did, and this dildonugs girl showed up to replace him. And Dildo is twice as dumb!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Ok spaz you stupid fuck here is the next erotic story that I am

    by dilbynuggets

    Call me stupid if you will but you are incapable of writing stories, screenplays or anything genuinely creative: My name is Jenesis 123367-29B7L. I am a sexbot; a male model. Most of my owners have called me Jay or nothing at all. I was created 47 years, 12 days and 6 hours ago for the purpose of satisfying human sexual urges. My internal programming is well schooled in the pleasing and satisfaction of the human condition. Due to my external and internal sensors I am able to gauge, quite accurately, the propensity for human orgasm and apply external stimuli to bring this condition about in the most pleasant and extreme passion possible. My appearance is Caucasian although through electronic pigments in my “skin” I am able to alter my flesh tone from white to tan. Also, through hydraulic bones within my system along with, inflatable muscle tissue, I can alter my height and body make up from five foot eight inches, to six foot four. My amount of body hair and its color can be adjusted by tiny server motors and a chemical manufactured within my exoskeleton structure. I am a robot and I feel no need for love, or any of the emotions. Yet, the most prized possession and the one attribute I am most admired for is my penis. I am incapable of feeling pride, or satisfaction, yet the reaction when unveiling my artificial organ to humans is most amazing, as to my creators brilliance in their construction of me. My robotic penis is governed by the same rules as my muscles, and it can shrink or expand according to my will. My “penis” can expand or contract to any dimension between five to fifteen inches. Its circumference can be two to eight point seven inches. The latter would prove to be a great deal thicker than a soda can. It has served me well during my tenure as a “Sexbot”. I am governed, as all robots are, by the three laws of robotics: 1) no robot by action or inaction will cause a human to come to harm, 2) no robot will allow it’s self to come harm unless it conflicts with the first law, 3) no robot will allow another robot to come to harm unless that conflicts the first and the second law. None the less, the subroutines written in to my first law are enormous. Humans have a great propensity for pain in sexual activities. I could not “kill” a human during my duties but I am capable of spanking, smacking, and many other activities. My first “owner” was a wealthy heiress of 54 years, Mrs. Greggson. She enjoyed my penis at 11.7 inches long, and 6.7 inches in circumference. She would instruct me to take her from behind, most forcefully, and prick one of her buttocks with a small pin, while I spanked the other. After, on average, 26 minutes, she would plead for me to come on her face. I have for all intents and purposes an internal kitchen in my system, which creates a reasonable facsimile of semen. I would unload an amazing load and continue to have intercourse with her from the side as she lay on her bed watching the latest InterTV gossip shows. After a while she would dispense with me and play with her cats. I would be sent to the kitchen to help prepare next mornings meals. 3 days out of 7 the kitchen staff would use me for their own sexual experiences. It was not frowned upon as Mrs. Greggson had made me available to her servants. I spent several years in the service of Italian couple in Rome. He is a leading industrialist and she a member of the Italian Parliament. He enjoyed watching me have intercourse with his wife while he played with his self. His penis was 5.7 inches long at full distention but he would want me to be at between 10 to 12 inches as I had intercourse with her. At a certain point he would ask me to “do her from below” and he would enter his penis into her anus from behind. After several minutes, both him and his wife would pull out my artificial member and command me to come. The industrialist, who I cannot name, would feed my organ into his wife’s mouth, and I would come as instructed. On occasion he would share in the bounty from my fake penis. I would be instructed to the stand to the corner and I would witness their lovemaking throughout the night unless they told me to come back, which happened more often than not. I was programmed to be an automaton; a vehicle for one thing, sexual pleasure. I attended a pool party of an executive producer in Hollywood where I along with myself and several other sexbots stood around naked, with no other instructions, other than to be forcefully erect as possible, or if a female sexbot, to be attractive and offer all solicitations with a smile. I was engaged by a new starlet of that night, 22 year old Curious Lorralee. Blonde haired and skinny, she was new to Tinsel town. Knowing that the InterTV producers where filming our exploits and directly placing them on the web, she attacked my enormous erection. “Any publicity is good publicity”, seemed to be her maxim. Anxious to show her quality to other producers she, “give me all you’ve got”, she whispered as the inter cams rolled, “and come on the left side of my face, it’s the good side”. “What do you desire of me, miss?” I asked. “Make that Robot Cock as big as it will get and fuck my pussy so hard it will be seen from here to Moscow, through London and on to Tokyo”! I obliged…., my penis was extended to the full 15 inches of length and eight point seven inches of circumference. I had judged from her skin temperature, dilated pupils, and flared nostrils that she would be able to accommodate most of my penis, but not all. She seemed very interested in the prospect, and the challenge before her. Once again I served my human masters well and obliged Miss Lorralee. After 19:23 minutes of pounding my artificially inflated organ into her pink and somewhat sore looking vagina she screamed for release. I gave her a generous load of artificial semen (on the left side of her face as she sucked and swallowed), and she rubbed next to me, As I moved my unstoppable erection near her hips, she grinded her distended pussy lips against my huge organ (huge only by human standards). I felt nothing emotionally but was impressed with her reaction.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    you fucks are so untalented

    by dilbynuggets

    perhaps you should take a writing class.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    TheLastBoyScout!

    by DKMODE

    Sorry for the delay. I had to cower in shame for several hours while I did some work today, all the while fearing your unassailable logic. But I've gathered my courage and have decided to rebut you. SPOILER WARNING TO ANYONE READING. There are some light spoilers in LastBoyScouts arguments below, but he’s calling me out after I called him out, so I have to call him back out. "The movie was bad, and I really have no desire to talk about it further, but you seem to want to call me out, so be it. It is obvious you are a plant doing major damage control for whatever shit PR company you work for. I saw the movie months ago at the DGA theater with Matthew Vaughn himself introducing the movie to a room full of shitbag agents and douchenozzle studio execs in the hopes of securing distribution." Why are you so angry at these execs? You seem way too emotional about this with all the douchnozzle talk. " So maybe I forgot a few details, like the quick hospital scene after he almost gets killed, so what? The point is he'd be out of commission for over a year with injuries like the movie gives him, not to mention years of rehab, and be permanently scarred and/or disfigured. But no, we cut to the next scene and he's fine. So realistic!!" I may have said the movie was "realistic" in certain terms, but I meant in comparison to other super-hero and comic-book films out there. The physics are more realistic. The costumes are based in reality. The main hero fights like a real person (i.e., he can't really fight that well). At any rate, our hero does look pretty messed up when he first gets out of the hospital, and you're led to believe that he's been in the hospital for an extended period of time. The movie doesn't tell you how long he was in the hospital, but what do you expect? A "6 months later" title card? A time lapse or montage of his surgeries, casting process, and rehab exercises? You have a point to some degree, but I'm not sure why it's upsetting to you or why you think this wrecks the story. "Not only that, but his metal plates, which supposedly make him a real superhero in his own words, NEVER figure into the plot, at all!" Well, in his first scene out of the hospital, his friends mess with him regarding this very point about metal plates and dulled nerves. I won't give away what happens, but there's a scene right there. He then explains in a VO in a scene at the end that his metal plates and frayed nerves have saved him from some of the pain of his beatings (but not enough). Sure, there could have been more follow up on that point, but again, it's not something that ruined the movie or should enrage anyone. "Not only that, but he never even goes after the dudes who kicked his ass. DANGLING PLOT THREAD!! It's like Superman never going back to the diner in Superman II to confront that asshole who beat him up." That's what different about this film. It's not necessarily a by-the-numbers, formulaic movie where every character or scene has to pay off down the line. It's also a film where we see the main hero getting his ass kicked a lot. This isn't a typical super-hero film. I was thinking, like you, that the film gods would have him beat these guys up later. But if you think about it, these are symbolic representatives of the bad in society. This confrontation represented the first time a super-hero is taking a stand against crime. For him to go out and get revenge on these 2 specific thugs would be nice, but not pertinent to the story. In the next fight he gets in, he also gets his ass kicked as he kicks a bit of ass. It's not a film where the main hero just obliterates all his enemies (that's for other 2ndary characters). It's a film that shows what would happen if a normal kid decided to be a super-hero, and the trials and tribulations it would take to get to that point. I don't think your criticism is totally wrong here, but it's a bit misguided. "The movie is an unmitigated MESS! Not only it is way too long for what it is, I can't really see a way to fix it with editing, cause of what a mess it is. Not only that, but Lion's Gate is going to have to edit the shit out of the HitGirl sequence near the end. The MPAA does NOT allow a person to shoot another at point blank range within the same shot and with blood spurting out. They need to show the gun being fired then cut to the person's head being demolished, otherwise it gets an NC-17 rating. I can only imagine what that sequence will look like once it is chopped to shit." A lot of movies are too long these days, but I didn't notice it with this one. Why does the potential ratings board situation bother you so much? I agree that the scene could be a bit extreme for people to see, but it wasn't anything close to the violence in any given Tarantino film. Besides, there's ways to cut around anything (or do reshoots). I've seen quite a lot of films where people get their head blown out point blank, but I don't remember any shot that was that bad here. "And Kick Ass disappears for only a few minutes here and there? No, he disappears for stretches of at least 15 minutes. If not, it felt like it. At certain points I was wondering who the fuck the film was about cause it starts out from his perspective only, then shifts to tons of other perspectives. Again, a fucking mess!" I'll admit that it felt strange at first when they cut to other characters in the film. But all their paths cross at various points of the film, and their stories link up. I guess to some degree you could chalk this up to being a film based on a comic book. I haven't read the comic, but I would guess it focused on different characters for long stretches and then tied all them all together. Again, you may be right that they cut away from Kick-Ass for certain stretches, but the characters we focus on are interesting enough to warrant that shift in perspective, and their stories will eventually tie into Kick-Ass' story. "And it was just a clever opening? I thought Kick Ass was talking about how he inspired others to don tights? Or was he talking about how this guy inspired him to don tights? Who knows, cause the opening makes no sense except as a sight gag, which is a piss poor excuse to put it in." It wasn't just a sight gag. This opening scene relates to the theme about how dangerous being a super-hero in the real world really is. There are consequences for putting on tights and assuming invincibility. Aside from that, it was funny. Everyone in the audience loved this opening. I'm not sure how that scene could instill anger in your heart. "In the screening I saw, the audience seemed to grow noticeably bored during the extended scenes with the gangsters (again, between these awful scenes and the Big Daddy/Hit Girl shit, Kick Ass disappears for a lot of screen time. Again, whose POV is this movie?)" How bored did they act? Were they sighing or shifting in their seats? Maybe this cut was tighter. Maybe this audience was different; your audience sounds like it had some serious distribution and studio people in it, while mine was largely film-geeks. " The acting was uniformly awful from all of them, with Mark Strong coming across as a cheap man's Stanley Tucci. Lame as fuck and really poorly written. " Uniformly awful acting? That's a bit harsh. It sounds like an easy criticism you can throw at any movie you don't like. Mark Strong does remind me of Stanley Tucci, but he's bigger, got a cooler voice and doesn't mug as much. "Are gangsters and terrorists the only "real world" villains we can think of anymore?Weak." Really? You think it's weak for a film taking place in New York city to depict the bad guys as gangsters? Considering super-villains don't exist in this film's world, what kind of villains would you expect? Aliens? Robots? Zombies? That's a pretty weak criticism. "The whole point of the first act is setting up the fact that no other superheroes exist. Yet they do exist, so the whole first act makes no sense!!" Again, only two superheroes exist in the beginning of the film- AND THEY ARE NOT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC!!! We don't see they exist until after 30 minutes into the movie. Why are you fabricating this as an issue? It is not a world where super-heroes exist. It is a world where 2 vigilantes fight in secret, and only become known when the lead character dons an outfit and decides to go out and be who he assumes to be is the first super-hero out there. He learns, and the audience learns, only into 2nd act, that there are 2 other super-heroes out there. "And the girlfriend stuff, not only wholly unnecessary, but it felt tacked on anyway. The last time we see the girlfriend, she thinks Kick Ass is about to be killed live on the Internet. The next time we see her is 30 minutes later after everything is resolved, and she maybe had a line at the end, though I don't remember it." Not sure what you're upset about here. I wish you weren't giving away so many major plot points, but I'll just say this is a non-issue. There is resolution. "And I was talking out of my ass with under developed criticisms? Why don't you address how Big Daddy is presented as super smart and very wary of strangers, won't let anyone in his lair, then all of a sudden trusts Kick Ass implicitly AND lets Red Mist, someone he's never met, into his lair? Why don't you address Big Daddy's awful fiery death scene? Super realistic right? Were people supposed to laugh at his death, cause there were quite a few big laughs from the audience during his death. What about the side plot about his black partner? That worked for you even though it was boring and had little to do with anything aside from trying to explain Big Daddy's motivations. SHOW don't TELL!! What about Kick Ass destroying the head gangster by using a jet pack with machine guns on it and flying up to his window? Was that super realistic?" Again, you're giving away major plot reveals. That's why I don't like arguing with you. I'll say you're right about Big Daddy acting stupid in that situation, but it's no worse than what you see main characters doing in every single other genre movie. Whey did all the Zombieland heroes consistently do stupid things (like leaving the safety of their cars to run from zombies, or turn on amusement park lights, or climb and lock themselves into rollercoaster rides, etc.)? This wasn't that bad. "Hit Girl was the only thing I enjoyed in the film. The actress was great. Unfortunately she's wasted, cause the film around her is so bad. Had it just been about Kick Ass donning tights, trying to stop regular scumbag street thugs, getting his ass kicked but inspiring people to rise up, that might have been good. As it is there were WAY too many characters, plot threads, POVs, and fat. This movie is a mess, and you know it. You're just not allowed to say so or you will lose your shitty PR job and be forced to submit your resume to TMZ. GrinningWhiteSkull has your number, dude. Just give it up already." If it was just about Kick-Ass beating up street thugs, it would have been a pretty shallow, one-dimensional movie (and you wouldn't have Hit Girl). Imagine if Sin City was just about Marv? It would have failed. Though I will say that Watchmen probably would have been a better film if it primarily focused on Rorschach's storyline. Unlike Watchmen, I think this film actually succeeded in telling different stories and threading them together in a compelling way. And tell Grinning White Skull to call me. I hear he has my number.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    DKMODE

    by DrMorbius

    Paragraph breaks dude. You may have some walid points but I'll never know, didn't read it.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    ...valid...

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    <p> </p>

    by cylon_conspiracy

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Dildo

    by Spazatronik2000

    I tried to read your "story" but started to fall asleep after the first few sentences. If you took a writing class they would have told you that it's key to draw your reader in at first. Try again.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    Some "Erotic" story!

    by The Dark Shite

    That was basically Gigolo Joe from A.I, but duller..<p> Blah blah blah "I can alter my height and body make up from five foot eight inches, to six foot four" blah blah..it sounds like a frigging catalogue! <p> "I am available in Royal Oak or somne other type shit, like the finest fucking Elm or something." Zzzzzzzzz.<p>

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    This is how you start a robot Gigolo story..

    by The Dark Shite

    The customer gasped as she realised my cock was, in fact, a really, really, really, really, really fat baby with a knife.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    How did this turn into a Batman thread?

    by Boo Cocky

    And another thing, let's get one thing straight - IT'S FUCKING BATMAN.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    How did this turn into a Batman thread?

    by Boo Cocky

    And another thing, let's get one thing straight - IT'S FUCKING BATMAN.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    LostBoyScout! with chapter breaks

    by DKMODE

    Sorry for the delay. I had to cower in shame for several hours while I did some work today, all the while fearing your unassailable logic. But I've gathered my courage and have decided to rebut you. SPOILER WARNING TO ANYONE READING. There are some light spoilers in LastBoyScouts arguments below, but he’s calling me out after I called him out, so I have to call him back out. "The movie was bad, and I really have no desire to talk about it further, but you seem to want to call me out, so be it. It is obvious you are a plant doing major damage control for whatever shit PR company you work for. I saw the movie months ago at the DGA theater with Matthew Vaughn himself introducing the movie to a room full of shitbag agents and douchenozzle studio execs in the hopes of securing distribution." Why are you so angry at these execs? You seem way too emotional about this with all the douchnozzle talk. "So maybe I forgot a few details, like the quick hospital scene after he almost gets killed, so what? The point is he'd be out of commission for over a year with injuries like the movie gives him, not to mention years of rehab, and be permanently scarred and/or disfigured. But no, we cut to the next scene and he's fine. So realistic!!" I may have said the movie was "realistic" in certain terms, but I meant in comparison to other super-hero and comic-book films out there. The physics are more realistic. The costumes are based in reality. The main hero fights like a real person (i.e., he can't really fight that well). At any rate, our hero does look pretty messed up when he first gets out of the hospital, and you're led to believe that he's been in the hospital for an extended period of time. The movie doesn't tell you how long he was in the hospital, but what do you expect? A "6 months later" title card? A time lapse or montage of his surgeries, casting process, and rehab exercises? You have a point to some degree, but I'm not sure why it's upsetting to you or why you think this wrecks the story. "Not only that, but his metal plates, which supposedly make him a real superhero in his own words, NEVER figure into the plot, at all!" Well, in his first scene out of the hospital, his friends mess with him regarding this very point about metal plates and dulled nerves. I won't give away what happens, but there's a scene right there. He then explains in a VO in a scene at the end that his metal plates and frayed nerves have saved him from some of the pain of his beatings (but not enough). Sure, there could have been more follow up on that point, but again, it's not something that ruined the movie or should enrage anyone. "Not only that, but he never even goes after the dudes who kicked his ass. DANGLING PLOT THREAD!! It's like Superman never going back to the diner in Superman II to confront that asshole who beat him up." That's what different about this film. It's not necessarily a by-the-numbers, formulaic movie where every character or scene has to pay off down the line. It's also a film where we see the main hero getting his ass kicked a lot. This isn't a typical super-hero film. I was thinking, like you, that the film gods would have him beat these guys up later. But if you think about it, these are symbolic representatives of the bad in society. This confrontation represented the first time a super-hero is taking a stand against crime. For him to go out and get revenge on these 2 specific thugs would be nice, but not pertinent to the story. In the next fight he gets in, he also gets his ass kicked as he kicks a bit of ass. It's not a film where the main hero just obliterates all his enemies (that's for other 2ndary characters). It's a film that shows what would happen if a normal kid decided to be a super-hero, and the trials and tribulations it would take to get to that point. I don't think your criticism is totally wrong here, but it's a bit misguided. "The movie is an unmitigated MESS! Not only it is way too long for what it is, I can't really see a way to fix it with editing, cause of what a mess it is. Not only that, but Lion's Gate is going to have to edit the shit out of the HitGirl sequence near the end. The MPAA does NOT allow a person to shoot another at point blank range within the same shot and with blood spurting out. They need to show the gun being fired then cut to the person's head being demolished, otherwise it gets an NC-17 rating. I can only imagine what that sequence will look like once it is chopped to shit." A lot of movies are too long these days, but I didn't notice it with this one. Why does the potential ratings board situation bother you so much? I agree that the scene could be a bit extreme for people to see, but it wasn't anything close to the violence in any given Tarantino film. Besides, there's ways to cut around anything (or do reshoots). I've seen quite a lot of films where people get their head blown out point blank, but I don't remember any shot that was that bad here. "And Kick Ass disappears for only a few minutes here and there? No, he disappears for stretches of at least 15 minutes. If not, it felt like it. At certain points I was wondering who the fuck the film was about cause it starts out from his perspective only, then shifts to tons of other perspectives. Again, a fucking mess!" I'll admit that it felt strange at first when they cut to other characters in the film. But all their paths cross at various points of the film, and their stories link up. I guess to some degree you could chalk this up to being a film based on a comic book. I haven't read the comic, but I would guess it focused on different characters for long stretches and then tied all them all together. Again, you may be right that they cut away from Kick-Ass for certain stretches, but the characters we focus on are interesting enough to warrant that shift in perspective, and their stories will eventually tie into Kick-Ass' story. "And it was just a clever opening? I thought Kick Ass was talking about how he inspired others to don tights? Or was he talking about how this guy inspired him to don tights? Who knows, cause the opening makes no sense except as a sight gag, which is a piss poor excuse to put it in." It wasn't just a sight gag. This opening scene relates to the theme about how dangerous being a super-hero in the real world really is. There are consequences for putting on tights and assuming invincibility. Aside from that, it was funny. Everyone in the audience loved this opening. I'm not sure how that scene could instill anger in your heart. "In the screening I saw, the audience seemed to grow noticeably bored during the extended scenes with the gangsters (again, between these awful scenes and the Big Daddy/Hit Girl shit, Kick Ass disappears for a lot of screen time. Again, whose POV is this movie?)" How bored did they act? Were they sighing or shifting in their seats? Maybe this cut was tighter. Maybe this audience was different; your audience sounds like it had some serious distribution and studio people in it, while mine was largely film-geeks. " The acting was uniformly awful from all of them, with Mark Strong coming across as a cheap man's Stanley Tucci. Lame as fuck and really poorly written. " Uniformly awful acting? That's a bit harsh. It sounds like an easy criticism you can throw at any movie you don't like. Mark Strong does remind me of Stanley Tucci, but he's bigger, got a cooler voice and doesn't mug as much. "Are gangsters and terrorists the only "real world" villains we can think of anymore?Weak." Really? You think it's weak for a film taking place in New York city to depict the bad guys as gangsters? Considering super-villains don't exist in this film's world, what kind of villains would you expect? Aliens? Robots? Zombies? That's a pretty weak criticism. "The whole point of the first act is setting up the fact that no other superheroes exist. Yet they do exist, so the whole first act makes no sense!!" Again, only two superheroes exist in the beginning of the film- AND THEY ARE NOT KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC!!! We don't see they exist until after 30 minutes into the movie. Why are you fabricating this as an issue? It is not a world where super-heroes exist. It is a world where 2 vigilantes fight in secret, and only become known when the lead character dons an outfit and decides to go out and be who he assumes to be is the first super-hero out there. He learns, and the audience learns, only into 2nd act, that there are 2 other super-heroes out there. "And the girlfriend stuff, not only wholly unnecessary, but it felt tacked on anyway. The last time we see the girlfriend, she thinks Kick Ass is about to be killed live on the Internet. The next time we see her is 30 minutes later after everything is resolved, and she maybe had a line at the end, though I don't remember it." Not sure what you're upset about here. I wish you weren't giving away so many major plot points, but I'll just say this is a non-issue. There is resolution. "And I was talking out of my ass with under developed criticisms? Why don't you address how Big Daddy is presented as super smart and very wary of strangers, won't let anyone in his lair, then all of a sudden trusts Kick Ass implicitly AND lets Red Mist, someone he's never met, into his lair? Why don't you address Big Daddy's awful fiery death scene? Super realistic right? Were people supposed to laugh at his death, cause there were quite a few big laughs from the audience during his death. What about the side plot about his black partner? That worked for you even though it was boring and had little to do with anything aside from trying to explain Big Daddy's motivations. SHOW don't TELL!! What about Kick Ass destroying the head gangster by using a jet pack with machine guns on it and flying up to his window? Was that super realistic?" Again, you're giving away major plot reveals. That's why I don't like arguing with you. I'll say you're right about Big Daddy acting stupid in that situation, but it's no worse than what you see main characters doing in every single other genre movie. Whey did all the Zombieland heroes consistently do stupid things (like leaving the safety of their cars to run from zombies, or turn on amusement park lights, or climb and lock themselves into rollercoaster rides, etc.)? This wasn't that bad. "Hit Girl was the only thing I enjoyed in the film. The actress was great. Unfortunately she's wasted, cause the film around her is so bad. Had it just been about Kick Ass donning tights, trying to stop regular scumbag street thugs, getting his ass kicked but inspiring people to rise up, that might have been good. As it is there were WAY too many characters, plot threads, POVs, and fat. This movie is a mess, and you know it. You're just not allowed to say so or you will lose your shitty PR job and be forced to submit your resume to TMZ. GrinningWhiteSkull has your number, dude. Just give it up already." If it was just about Kick-Ass beating up street thugs, it would have been a pretty shallow, one-dimensional movie (and you wouldn't have Hit Girl). Imagine if Sin City was just about Marv? It would have failed. Though I will say that Watchmen probably would have been a better film if it primarily focused on Rorschach's storyline. Unlike Watchmen, I think this film actually succeeded in telling different stories and threading them together in a compelling way. And tell Grinning White Skull to call me. I hear he has my number.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Every thread on this site is about TDK or Trek

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Nevermind

    by DKMODE

    I guess hitting enter and spacing between paragraphs doesn't work.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Hmm...don't know how that happened

    by Boo Cocky

    As I was saying.....IT'S FUCKING BATMAN. I don't need a bunch of character development. I'll watch a film based on a novel for that. What I want is a millionaire dressed as a bat jumping off rooftops and fighting crime kinda film NOT directed by Joel Schumaker (or Uwe Boll for that matter). Seriously. Get over yourselves. I'd be more upset over things left out in No Country For Old Men than fucking Batman. Have fun shooting your load over Elektra comics or some shit. Nerds.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    DKMODE..

    by The Dark Shite

    Do this < p > at the end of a paragraph....<p> But without the spaces.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Also Kick Ass sounds

    by Boo Cocky

    Kick Ass!

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    BooCocky

    by DrMorbius

    Seriously<p>How do you 'get over yourself?'

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    Anybody here excited for Clash of the Titans?

    by TheWaqman

    I don't like Louis Leterrier, and I thought the new Hulk was shit. But man I just can't help but feel fairly excited for that film. It's got a pretty cool cast (Liam Neeson, Ralph Fiennes, Mads Mikkelsen, Worthington) and it should make for a fun time if it doesn't take itself too seriously.

  • Nov. 7, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    I'm not angry

    by TheLastBoyScout

    I just don't like it when someone calls something the greatest comic book/superhero movie of all time when clearly the film isn't up to par. The more I talk, the more you concede. Look, I am not an average film fan. I am big into structure, and think it all starts with the script. The script for this film was all over the place, and not in a good way. I enjoyed bits and pieces of the film, notably HitGirl and BigDaddy's Adam West voice, but Kick-Ass the character was boring and not very proactive as far as main characters go. Red Mist was truly awful. McLovin is not a good actor. Mark Strong was awful, I'm sorry dude, but he just was. Maybe he is a good actor, but the script is so bad he never had a chance. And who is angry at the studio execs? I'm simply calling them what they are, the lowest form of scum in the known Multiverse. The film is designed to be a crowd pleaser, not some art house flick, so your defense of him never getting back to the thugs who made him don the tights in the first place is wrong headed. The ratings board situation doesn't bother me, I'm just pointing out that what you think is the best sequence in the film cannot be released in any way in its current form. I was actually surprised how ignorant the filmmakers were to this fact with the way this sequence was shot. I'd like to go on, but it is tough to keep track of your post considering how dense it is. I appreciate your response, and if you truly are a real person and not some PR idiot, I'm glad you had a good time at the movies. I did not, and I wanted to explain why. I am not a casual filmgoer, I take films seriously, and if they're not up to snuff I will say so. Cheers.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 2:08 a.m. CST

    not a plant

    by bobbofatz

    I have not seen it. The comics are great. I have at least six different sources that raved about this flick. I do not care if it flops or makes 184 million worldwide box. I am just goin with what i heard. oh and clash will kickass

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Dilbynuggets Im supporting your argument

    by IndustryKiller!

    Paper currency is untraceable and allows for immediate liquidation in case of an emergency, like being thrown in the hoosegow or damn dirty crusading attorneys.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST

    I'll go see Clash of the Titans

    by lockesbrokenleg

    If they go the 300 route, it should be really cool.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Casual filmgoers

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Are who movies are made for though. After reading this thread my desire to see Kick Ass has pretty much evaporated. But, some people just can't be pleased and that is why they are called "critics", and not "appreciators".

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    "... and Bale should have just lightened his tone..."

    by AsimovLives

    "... tone when in public"<br><br>What? You mean, Bale should had MOST OF HIS SCENES in the movie talking in a falsetto voice? You got to be kidding!! That would had been very fucking distracting!<br><br>I'm starting to think that the people who bash TDK don't really put too much efffort in their arguments, they don't measure them up and they don't rationally revise them to see if they can be put down easily.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by AsimovLives

    Don't take this the wrong way, because i have read many of your previous posts and i find you an intelligent and reasonable person which i can to. And in this den of malarkey, that's a very good thing.<br><br>But in truth i tell you, my freind, that the last thing that comes to my mind when i think of Watchmen (the movie) is adult. Watchmen looks like what a 14 years old might think of what is an adult movie. It's a simulation at best. All the "deep" stuff that the movie has is just the left-overs form the comic, which evne a juvenile adaptation couldn't help have in it, as it's so inherent to the comic it would transpose to the movie by osmosis alone. But no, the whole movie is juvenile pretending to be adult. And as i said befor,e the only scene that KINDA resembles the tone of the comic is Manhanthan in Mars remembering,and that's msotly due to the use of those two very good compositions by Philip Glass, which bring a gravitas to the scene that wouldn't be there otherwise. You can make anything look awesome usign those two Glass's compositons. I do admit that Snyder was shrewed with that decision.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    FlickPoo

    by AsimovLives

    "I CAN tell you that Vinho Verde has often been a favorite summer wine around here."<br><br>Alright!! and you know what? I even suspect you migth not even been drinking the best stuff. If you could, could you tell me the brand? Becasue my own personal Vinho Verde brand is "Muralhas de Monção", which is excelent,and pretty acessible in price as well, which makes it the best of both worlds. But is suspect you guys in USa must be drinking the brands Gatão or Lagosta of Vinho Verde, which are alright but they are hardly the best stuff.<br>Your wife must know this, but allow me to say this: becasue Vinho Verde is a new wine, it's rpeferable that you drink from the latest year possible. Perfect wold be to drink a Vinho Verde from 2009. that's how new wine works, the mostm recent it is the best. contrary to the normal wine, which gets better the older is is, but only when it was fermented. In a bottle, the wine doesn't get better with age. And if poorly stored even bottled, it can oxidize, and you can ask your wife she will tell you that is not a good thing.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by AsimovLives

    My first rpevious post came out wrong, allow me to correct it. It should read as follow:<br><br>"Don't take this the wrong way, because i have read many of your previous posts and i find you an intelligent and reasonable person which i can talk to. And in this den of malarkey, that's a very good thing."

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    FlickPoo

    by AsimovLives

    And in case i didn't made myself clearn, brand is not a wine region, it's just a label. Maybe that's what i should had said from the begining, labels.<br><br>You see, Vinho Verde is only mad ein one region only, in Minho. That exclusivity is even established and protected by law. Vinho Verde can only came from Minho an no place else. And in Minho there are many different labels. My favorite so far is the aforementioned "Muralhas de Monção". But there's lots of them. WEvery year i seem to see new labels. The truth is my country is extreemly productive of wine. If you guys could just dream of how many you cna find here. In fac,t most portuguese don't evne deign to drink foreing labels because it's useless, we got so much of the stuff in so many different castes from so many different regions and so many different labels, you could septn a whole lifetime going from one to the other and not experience it all. It also helps that every year there's some new brand. In matters of wine, there's absolutly no need for a portuguse to ever bother with the foreing stuff.<br><br>And youknow what? We also have (at least) two very good beers labels, Sagres and Super Bock. All foreigners who have tasted them liked it a lot.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    dilbynuggets

    by AsimovLives

    Easy, dude. I claimed that my celtic side came from the iberian celts that lived in the Iberic Peninsula so long time ago. I never laimed to be spanish. I don't know, but i say it's a bit insulting to presume that the only people in Iberia are just teh spanish. no, there's more people in spain then just the spanish. There's also Portugueses, Gallacians, Basques, Andorrans and Catalunians. Even the Spanish themselves can be divided into two great groups, the Castellanos at the north and the Andalusians at the south.<br><br>I said i was an iberian, and i am. I live in Iberia, i'm portuguse, therefore i'm iberian. It was you who asumed, just because i said was iberian, that you though it means spanish and that i lived in Spain. The mistake is yours, friend. I didn't misinformed you, you just did a wrong assuption.<br><br>I am portuguese. Eu sou português, eu sou de Portugal e de mais lado nenhum. Português de Portugal.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    i saw this movie and i say it sucks!

    by DioxholsterReturns

    i saw it in a dream of mine. was very vivid but retardedly so. suck my dick

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 6:50 a.m. CST

    the last boy scout

    by caspartine

    have you ever made a film or is your cynicism due to reading too many how to write a script guides and still getting no where

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives... Mrs. Flickapoo here...

    by FlickaPoo

    You're right, we get a lot of Porto and Madeira... while Porto has a following here, Madeira is sadly under-appreciated. I have a 1969 from Olivares that is stunning. <P> We get wines from Alentejo, yes, but the best still (not fortified) wines we're getting, by and large, is from the Douro. Lovely stuff available from the Dao, too... although all of it is probably a far cry from what you can get there. I keep waiting for Portugal to become the next big thing, but it seems like most of the importers just want to corner the $6-a-bottle demographic, and are ignoring everything else. I feel like the tip of the iceberg has been exposed, but I'm not seeing any forward movement. It's frustrating. <P> The Vinho Verde we were most commonly drinking disappeared from the market 2 years ago, I forget its name. You most often see Aveleda, Casal Garcia, and Fuzelo around here in NJ. I have to admit, being in the business, with all the free samples, I haven't had to buy a bottle of wine in over a year, and because my company doesn't currently have a VV in their portfolio, I haven't had any in a while.<P> I would LOVE to see Portugal. I could seriously drink and eat my way from one end to the other. I want to see those vineyards where they grow the grapes up on pergolas, by the sea... and eat LOTS of shellfish...

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    caspartine

    by TheLastBoyScout

    Do me a favor friend, when you learn the definition of the word "cynicism" and how to use it in a sentence, maybe we'll talk. The funny thing is your post is a perfect example of cynicism! Fuck you're dumb.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I'm a huge Philip Glass fan

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>I've seen two of his operas staged live, Monsters of Grace and Beauty and the Beast (however you say it in french). So that was a great part.I'm just saying that sometimes it helps to support a genre. If Watchmen would have had a better audience and more support from the fan community, there could have been OTHER movies that tried to "one up" Watchmen and given you what you really wanted all along. But, that's not going to happen.</p> <p>But at least you're commenting on the movie. Much of the criticism I've seen is about the squids not being there, which my definition refuses to comment on the entire film preceding the ending.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Mrs. Flickapoo

    by AsimovLives

    For the food and the drink alone, you would love my country. And the scenery is pretty good too, if you go to the right places. You would love to visit the douro region where the wine is made. It's a long valley escavated by the River Douro, and it's stunning. But there's much more to see.<br><br>In here the wine is pretty cheap, compared to your prices. but i would say, if you targeted more for the 12 dollars bottle, you would get a lot of the good stuff.<br><br>As for the Vinho Verde, you guys were very well served with the Casal Garcia label. It's quite good, and it's very popular hwere. All shellsea food restaurantes here have it, most use it as the house's wine to go with the shellfish food. Man, this talk alone has made me longing for the summer. And that's the thing, i believe if you have to visit my country, it's in the summer you got to come. Great summer weather all around. As for the good, all seasons are great. Really, you would love it. We have this big crabs called Sapateira, and i tell you, everybody loves it. and the foreingers lok at it an can't believe it. We call them "Sapateira". Lobster has the fame, but Sapateira is also great! Really, if ever you came here, and inthe summer, you got to eat the Sapateira. With Vinho Verde, of course!

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    For those of you expecting the Kick-Ass Trailer on 11/14

    by cookepuss

    You're gonna have to wait a week longer. The official site (http://iamkick-ass.com) pushed it back to 11/21.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by AsimovLives

    I wouldn't know how how the Philip Glass's operas are called in frenhc because i'm portuguese. As for the absense of the squid complain, i agree with them, it was silly of the movie not to have it, and it was even more silly to have Doc Manhantham as a sort of fall guy for the ending. It was silly, it was badly though out,and frankly, in a movie which has a lflying blue naked man-god around, it was at the squid they decided to cross the line to what would be acceptable and too much and weird? Well, the weirdness of the squid was the point of it being a squid.<br><br>I tell you, the movie Watchmen is indeed what a 13 years old would do if he pretented to be an adult and went with a "deep thoughs" approach. I was not impressed.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    It was in french

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>it was a french film, I wasn't saying you were french. Maybe it's just that I'm a child of the 80s, I appreciated how well they recreated the world of my childhood, just a really grimy version of it. </p> <p>At least you liked a part of it. I'm always hesitant to take reviews seriously from people who literally have nothing positive to say about a movie, because it shows they are just not able to be pleased. If people can find the good points of a film I'm much more inclined to take their criticisms more seriously.</p>

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Planty plant plant!

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Oh, and plant.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Sam Worthington could be a cool Khan

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    who I am

    by dilbynuggets

    I am in fact an overweight 21 year old female with glandular problems that result in heavy acne and long greasy hair. That should not make my oppinion any less valid. I suspect that other posters have their problems as well.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Don't care how much ya weigh, dilbynuggets.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Are you single? BurnedNotice_Dude is lonely.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    If Clash of the Titans goes the 300 route then fuck it...

    by TheWaqman

    the last thing I need is an overly-stylized piece of shit male wankfest. 300 was one of the worst times I had in theatres...until I saw Transformers

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Am I single....

    by dilbynuggets

    Of course I'm single, I weigh a lot, Like a LOT, plus the acne doesn't help but I'm buying this new product called Murad, I hope it helps.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Kick Ass II - Bad Ass

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by AsimovLives

    Well, you never read my posts about STINO, have you? Oh wait, there was something i like about it, the cast. Well, maybe you are right after all.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Of course Clash Of The Titans is going the 300 route

    by AsimovLives

    300 made money. And Hollywood always goes where the money is. Clash Of The titans will be 300 MkII, only this time they will have some justification for the exagerated impossible heroic the characters do in the movie because everybody is a fucking god or demigod.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    That's a shame...

    by TheWaqman

    I was hoping it would be a bit lighter on the color pallete. If it goes for ugly greys and browns then it's just a huge waste of the set design and shooting locations. That's one big reason why Avatar looks so refreshing, none of this lame ass gritty darrkzzz shit that we've seen in District 9 and others.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Kick Ass III: Dick Ass

    by Autodidact

    haw haw

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Can we talk about Batnan sone more?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    my thoughts

    by dilbynuggets

    I am not sure, being a mid-40s screenwriter working for the industry, whether my opinion would be accepted in this forum... if it is alright I would like to offer my observations.

  • Nov. 8, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    My Batman thoughts

    by lockesbrokenleg

    TV show - shitty - Burton movies - mostly shitty - Schumacker movies - Crap - Nolan movies - decent, but overrated.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman movies will always be underrated

    by AsimovLives

    as long there's action junkies everywhere which can forgive the most dumb idiotic movies with the "it's supposed to be fun" pseudo-excuse, while at the same time being abnormaly over-picky and ungrateful about the real great and intelligent movies.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 6:20 a.m. CST

    You are such a cunt

    by Lost Jarv

    Nolan's batman movies are not underrated. <p>They aren't slavishly blown at every available opportunity, but they aren't underrated either

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman movies are all underrated

    by AsimovLives

    Even with the accolades bewtown upon them, there's still jackasses who think those mvoies are bad Batmna movies, or boring movies, or bad action movie, or that Nolan can't direct action and bullshit like this. And they aren't that few. Ego, underrated. My point, Nolan's Batman movies SHOULD and DESERVES even more accolades then it already has. Until then, underrated.<br><br>And i love the way TDK mannaged to be so violent and yet still get the MPAA to give it a PG-13. Because technically the movie does everything the MPAA demands to merit the PG-13 classification... while delivering a whole lotta of the ol' ultraviolence. Brillant!

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives, come on now...

    by MorganLeafy

    your definition of underrated is 'not loved by everyone'? Even when it's one of the highest-grossing movies of all-time and #8 in the IMDB top 250?

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    "Nolan's Batman movies will always be underrated...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...as long there's action junkies everywhere which can forgive the most dumb idiotic movies with the "it's supposed to be fun" pseudo-excuse" <P> You fucking idiot, that argument doesn't even make sense. If anything, if bad movies didn't exist The Dark Knight would just be another good movie in a sea of other good movies. <p> Furthermore, what you're saying is that as long as ONE SINGLE HUMAN BEING deviates one iota from your taste in films, then every movie you love will be "underrated". <p> You self-absorbed, eternally conceited cunt.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    "the ol' ultraviolence."

    by DocPazuzu

    In Nolan's Batman movies? You clueless fuck.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I heard the sound of... clowns

    by AsimovLives

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Then again...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...you are the guy who once infamously declared that it was fully acceptable to "hate" those who didn't share your taste in films.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Asimov...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...loving Nolan's BATMAN films is one thing. Sucking the man's cock every chance you get...is another.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on Lost...

    by TheWaqman

    Season One - alright, every other season - gets worse with time and somehow acquires a greater fanbase as it worsens. Kind of like the opposite of the Star Wars fanbase.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman films are great...

    by TheWaqman

    but when you hear Asimov say something like "The Dark Knight is a fine example of perfect filmmaking" you can't help but laugh. I love Batman, and I'm glad The Dark Knight is the highest grossing comic book movie ever and has a huge fanbase. But I'm not going that far. There were flaws, but it's pushed the genre to a higher bar.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Lol, well at least we kind of agree on something.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    The Problem Is, Nolan's Batman Films Are Overrated

    by Media Messiah

    He comes off like an emotionless and sterile documentary filmmaker...who has been asked to direct films that are all about emotion and entertainment...or should be, and...he gives us what you would expect, emotionless films.<BR><BR>In regard to Heath Ledger, when he was emoting with the mean guise of the Joker, it worked, but when he was being silly...and odd, the performance completely fail apart, and came off as being silly and embarrassing. He never would have gotten the praise he got for his performance in the TDK film if he hadn't died. I mean no disrespect to him, as I was one of the first persons that praised him upon seeing the Fox show Roar. I knew Ledger deserved to be a mega star...but his take on the Joker should have been played more like Al Pachino in "Dog Day Afternoon"...something that I think he accomplished in his more serious moments as the Joker, ala the street battle between Batman and the Joker when the villain was played more like a Heroin addict, alas those moments were few and far in-between in TDK--and the lesser parts of his Joker performance weakened the character, and the movie.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Amended: The Problem Is, Nolan's Batman Films Are Overrated

    by Media Messiah

    He comes off like an emotionless and sterile documentary filmmaker...who has been asked to direct films that are all about emotion and entertainment...or should be, and...he gives us what you would expect, well, considering Nolan's other films, and that is...emotionless Batman movies. <BR><BR> In regard to Heath Ledger, when he was emoting with the mean and scary guise he brought to the Joker, it worked, but when he was being silly, wimpy...and odd, the performance completely fail apart, and came-off as being silly and embarrassing. He never would have gotten the praise he got for his performance in the TDK film if he hadn't died. I mean no disrespect to him, as I was one of the first persons that praised him upon seeing the Fox show Roar. I knew Ledger deserved to be a mega star...but his take on the Joker should have been played more like Al Pachino in "Dog Day Afternoon"...something that I think he accomplished in his more serious moments as the Joker, ala the street battle between Batman and the Joker when the villain was played more like a Heroin addict, alas those moments were few and far in-between in TDK--and the lesser parts of his Joker performance weakened the character, and the movie.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    "Al Pachino [sic] in "Dog Day Afternoon"?!?!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No way. No way am I taking anything in that post seriously.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Batman

    by criticalbliss

    Look, I wasn't a fan of Batman Begins. I was skeptical when people gushed over Ledger prior to the release. <p> But TDK is a classic of the genre. Are there flaws? Of course. The script could have been tightened, the framing of the action sequences were again a bit off, but those bitching about an intelligent, finely crafted and thoroughly EMOTIONAL movie are ungrateful fucks. Ledger's performance is what ELEVATES the film. Fuck Pacino. <p> Now if we could only get Bale to watch Keaton and take notes on how he did the emotionless Bat-voice instead of the Baldwin-on-meth take, we'll be set.

  • Nov. 9, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Where's DKMODE?

    by TheLastBoyScout

    Where'd he go? Did he get fired already?

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius And CriticalBliss: TDKs Main Failing

    by Media Messiah

    What emotion are you talking about??? TDK only featured Ledger yelling, laughing a lot, shaking and debating himself, and others, like a drug addict...and that is about it??? Where was Bale's emotions, or that or his lady love, and her lover, Harvey Dent??? Nowhere in sight, save for a little before, and after, the sequence where she was brown-up, and it was fear, not a showing of deep love, or any real deep mourning, albeit Dent was looking for revenge...in post? The key to the picture, and establishing emotions between the four main players would be to first establish a love triangle between Dent, Rachel and Wayne...one that they should have really played-up, rather than play down...as they did. Instead, we witnessed what was post love affair for Rachel and Wayne, when it should have been played as a temptation that was still rich and alive, one that they acted upon...and one that would give Harvey reason to be jealous, and even envious of; in addition, Rachel and Dent's relationship should have threatened Wayne...with a sense that he could lose the love of his life to another man. Hence, if this had been played-out on screen, when Rachel was kidnapped, and died, it would have had more emotional ccntext, as expressed visually, emotionally and intellectually when conveying her loss to the audience. This would have made the Joker feel all the more evil--and made him appear a stronger and more cold villain, as it would have played as being more personal to the audience.<BR><BR>I point to The Three Musketeers and The Four Musketeers from the mid 70s, when the female love interest of our young hero is killed by the villainous--you felt it in a rich and painful way, because we were allowed to see how much our hero loved her, and she him, there was no debate--this was the love we all pray to have--and these people were blessed to find each other. We were set for a happy ending, the villains were pretty much set to lose, and then...bam, the hero's lady love, one who was adored by all of the Musketeers, was brutally killed. Now, if she was shown as just a past love of the hero, with no real emotional ties, or at least...largely debatable ones, we would not have been so deeply shocked at her loss, but because she was shown to be such a true and loving person, with such a deep and passionate love for our lead--and he for her, when she was killed, it took the wind-out of your sails, and you wanted revenge. Suddenly, it made the stakes much higher, and you understood the great sacrifice that the Musketeers were making to be heroes, that at anytime, anyone of them, or their loved ones, could be killed...and it wasn't just fun and games anymore, there was great risk at stake, and this is what makes a hero. <BR><BR>TDK failed to tweak our emotions right along those lines, because the script was lacking in many ways, but largely in respect to how it handled, or didn't handle, the love trangle.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Amended--Mr. Nice Gaius And CriticalBliss: TDKs Main Failing

    by Media Messiah

    What emotion are you talking about??? TDK only featured Ledger yelling, laughing a lot, the shaking of his body...and him debating himself, and others, like a drug addict...and that is about it??? As for the other characters, we didn't see much emotion? Where were Bale's emotions, or that of his lady love, and her lover, Harvey Dent??? Nowhere in sight, save for a little before, and after, the sequence where she was brown-up, and it was fear, not a showing of deep love (save for the requisite exchange of I love yous under the gun), or any real deep mourning, albeit Dent was looking for revenge...in post? The key to the picture, and establishing emotions between the four main players (Wayne, Rachel, Harvey, and The Joker) would be to first establish a love triangle between Dent, Rachel and Wayne...one that they should have really played-up, rather than play down...as they did. Instead, we witnessed what was post love affair for Rachel and Wayne, when it should have been played as a temptation that was still rich and alive, one that they acted upon...and one that would give Harvey reason to be jealous, and even envious of; in addition, Rachel and Dent's relationship should have threatened Wayne...with a sense that he could lose the love of his life to another man. Hence, if this had been played-out on screen, when Rachel was kidnapped, and died, it would have had more emotional ccntext, as expressed visually, emotionally and intellectually when conveying her loss to the audience. This would have made the Joker feel all the more evil--and made him appear a stronger and more cold villain, as it would have played as being more personal to the audience.<BR><BR>I point to The Three Musketeers and The Four Musketeers from the mid 70s, when the female love interest of our young hero is killed by the villainess--you felt it in a rich and painful way, because we were allowed to see how much our hero loved her, and she him, there was no debate--this was the love we all pray to have--and these people were blessed to find each other. We were set for a happy ending, the villains were pretty much set to lose, and then...bam, the hero's lady love, one who was adored by all of the Musketeers, was brutally killed. Now, if she was shown as just a past love of the hero, with no real emotional ties, or at least...largely debatable ones, we would not have been so deeply shocked at her loss, but because she was shown to be such a true and loving person, with such a deep and passionate love for our lead--and he for her, when she was killed, it took the wind-out of your sails, and you wanted revenge. Suddenly, it made the stakes much higher, and you understood the great sacrifice that the Musketeers were making to be heroes, that at anytime, anyone of them, or their loved ones, could be killed...and it wasn't just fun and games anymore, there was great risk at stake, and this is what makes a hero. <BR><BR>TDK failed to tweak our emotions right along those lines, because the script was lacking in many ways, but largely in respect to how it handled, or didn't handle, the love trangle.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    "The ol' ultraviolence"

    by Lost Jarv

    dickhead. How dare you misquote A Clockwork Orange. <P>You fucking goat shagging cunt.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Heath Ledger's best performance is in Brokeback Mountain...

    by TheWaqman

    and I'm not joking either.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    the last boy scout

    by caspartine

    r u friends with mike or zac?

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Media messiah

    by TheLastBoyScout

    While I agree that TDK was not very good, no amount of changes could make that love triangle good. Maggie Gyllenhaal is a fucking train wreck of an actress and her mere presence means that shit would never work. The script for TDK was not great, but the casting is what did in that film.<p><p> caspartine - who the fuck are you talking about?

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    It's kind of amazing how incredibly off you are on the main emotional thrust of TDK. What's odder is your insistence on injecting a lot of "should haves" into a story that was already working on multiple levels. In fact, I would venture to say that the film's one obvious flaw is that it worked on a couple too many levels. The story is stuffed with ideas (that largely work and work well) but could have used some merciful editing/tweaking towards the final act.<P>And Ledger's Joker was sublime. If you didn't like his portrayal, then that is a subjective choice that I just can't agree with.<P>(Your Pacino/DOG DAY AFTERNOON comment still makes absolutely NO sense. Especially when you consider the nature of the Joker.)

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    friends

    by caspartine

    u said u attended a screening with x3 associates and they were the only two who were there

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    The Last Boy Scout!

    by DKMODE

    Sorry but I thought this thread was dying out. In response to your 2nd to last post to me, I'm not conceding to your points. I was simply saying I understand why you point out some of your criticisms, but they weren't substantial enough to detract from the experience. In other words, I don't picture future professional reviews harping on those issues. It's like someone hating Spiderman 2 as as a whole because Dr. Octopus built a potentially city-destroying fusion reactor in his pre-war studio without any permit controversy. Actually, it's not like that all. Nothing rose to that level of stupidity in this film. <p> Anyways, if I'm wrong and the movie is a piece of fermented dog shit as you say, I will come on here and apologize during said talk back in April. But, for it to be a piece of fermented dog shit, are we talking "The Spirit" or "The Phantom" levels of bad criticism from film geeks and reviewers, or are we talking "The Watchmen" levels (a beautiful but heavily flawed work)? <p> And BTW I'm not fired yet from my top secret PR firm. The Powers That Be are giving me a second shot to plant a positive review of The Crazies (which screened in Santa Monica on Sunday). I'm still debating if I should though, as it actually takes some time and energy to respond on here to everyone calling me a plant. But that's my job- what am I saying? If anyone is actually interested in a review, I'll send one in.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius: You Said It, The Story Is Stuffed

    by Media Messiah

    And that is the problem with it-- it is (over) stuffed with too many ideas. Cut-out the Batman Vigiilantes, Cut-out Scarecrow, cut-out Two Face, cut-out the China sequence, cut-out the Joker's more silly moments, cut-out the press man blackmailing Bruce Wayne, and cut-out most of the moments where Wayne is sitting around in business suits pondering the state of Gotham city with Alfred...and you'd already have a better movie. Next...beef-up the love story, and you have a better film all the way around. <BR><BR>Glad you said that the movie is stuffed with ideas, you just proved my point. You have been the best (accidental) witness against TDK since the movie's release.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Every time a new Superhero movie comes out ...

    by ganda1f

    Every time a new superhero movie comes out that's actually passable-to-good, some overexcited 13-year-old 'reviewer' comes out of a preview screening claiming it's the Best Superhero Film Ever. <br><br> Especially if it's 'Edgy' and features some blood with the violence. <br><br> Reminds me of a friend I had once who - whenever we saw a new film in the theatre - would become blown away and think it's the Best Film Ever. I remember seeing Spawn with him, and thinking it was a flawed effort with a few nice moments, but for the next few weeks my friend thought it was Teh Awesome and waaay better than, say, Burtons Batman or Donner's Superman. <br><br> Point being, I don't think this reviewer is a 'plant' in the traditional sense, but I think they are just prone to being caught in the moment.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    TheLastBoyScout: Watch "The Secretary"

    by Media Messiah

    Maggie Gyllenhaal has been great in every film that I have ever seen her in...except for TDK, because the script was so bad; it gave her nothing to do but stand around reacting to largely low-key and morose moments, and in a dull manner at that. That is the way the role was written and directed, and Chris Nolan and his brother are solely to blame for that. BTW, all of the characters came off as being dull, how do you manage to make Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman dull--or Michael Caine? Well, Chris Nolan did it in two films, and Caine in a third...The Prestige. And for your information, Chris Bale has been dull in every scene of both Batman films...just as dull as he was in The Prestige, much like Caine??? A great director should be able to pull great performances from his actors, but Nolan, nothing? It is like all of his characters are on Xanax and Prozac?<BR><BR>See The Secretary for a great Maggie Gyllenhaal performance...and you will see her truly great abilities and how she was completely wasted in TDK. Nolan does not know how to write emotion...or how to direct it. He is a sterile and robotic director, one without demonstrative empathy, perhaps because he does not understand empathy?

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Media_Messiah - you assume too much.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    While it's true I said the movie is stuffed with ideas, I also said that the ideas largely worked and worked well. The point I was trying to make was that are some ideas that were squeezed in and/or not given enough time (or a proper edit) to be as well constructed as the majority-remainder of the film.<P>Also, if you were to cut-out all of the moments that you listed in your post, you would have a sub-par movie. Especially if you were to "beef-up the love story" (aka the least interesting storyline in the movie!). In fact, you may just end up with another of Burton's or Schumacher's BATMAN on your hands. No thanks.<P>Bottom line: I loved the film and I'm glad it's stuffed with ideas. I wish more movies would be as daring.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Gary Oldman dull?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No. Actually, most people I know said that with the exception of Ledger's Joker, his was their favorite character and performance in TDK.<P>As a rule, Oldman is never "dull". No matter the film.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Yes...In The Dark Knight...And Batman Begins...

    by Media Messiah

    ...Oldman gave what was essentially on camera line readings that were understated and boring. We could have used the Gary Oldman from The Professional and Romeo Is Bleeding, instead we were delivered a "I showed-up only for the paycheck" performance. Oldman knows that these Batman scripts are lacking, and that Nolan is an overrated hack--he is only doing these movies to pay his bills; the same with Caine and Freeman.

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    MediaMessiah

    by TheLastBoyScout

    I watched Secretary, Maggie Gyllenhaal was pretty good in it, but that doesn't change the fact that she is disgusting to look at and someone like Bruce Wayne would be able to get a much hotter girl than that. Ditto for Two-Face. No self respecting guy would touch that chick. <p><p> caspartine - I might be mistaken, but I think you just outed yourself as a lowly, scumbag PLANT FUCK! How else would you know who went to some screening months ago? You obviously work on Kick-Ass in some capacity. As for your "associates" I still don't know who the fuck you're referring to but why would it matter anyway? <p><p> DKMODE - are you working with caspartine? I had no idea Kick-Ass had such a high PR budget that they could hire not one, but TWO plants to post in a talkback where NO ONE cares about your shitty movie and are just interested in talking about a movie from last year!

  • Nov. 10, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Media_Messiah

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I disagree.

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