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FATHER GEEK here with some news concerning the DIE HARD 4 script.
Well this report from our Fox mole who is burrowed deep into the executive towers of that studio was just this minute received by FATHER GEEK here at AICN's Geek World Headquarters in Austin. I hereby pass the timely info on to you... remember, this may not be the script chosen by The Bruce.
harry,
i work at fox and recently discovered some news regarding Die Hard 4.
a new brit newcomer called Ben Trebilcook has a screenplay entitled God And
The Devil and it has been rumored here in our front offices that this could well well be the next
installment of the die hard franchise.
Trebilcook has already been approached by UK web site www.popcorn.co.uk and
has been interviewed by them already concerning this and they are gonna break the news sometime later this
week.
His story is set in the caribbean - McClane is on an exchange trip to
trinidad and encounters modern day pirates searching for Nazi Gold.. it
sounds a little cheesy but the script is dead cool. back to the original style of die
hard. yes it has action - but like no other.
i seriously hope this script is the one chosen - but the final choice
is up to Bruce Willis to choose the overall screenplay.
i'll keep you posted on this.
C
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Maybe he could team up with Indiana Jones to fight 'em.
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I doubt we'll see a 4th one. Bruce stated he won't do action no more, but who knows right? We'll why going all the way 'til a successful saga is down the toilet (TREK anyone?)
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Do we really need one more Die Hard ? Will it never end ? I mean, the three movies rocks but why not leave it at a trilogy. Name one series of films that has been able to go beyond 1-2&3. Ok. Star Wars, but...
I can't help thinking about Back to the Future part 2, where Marty is "attacked" by a 3D Shark form Jaws19 ! It's completely stupid and whenever a series becomes more than a trilogy it serves only purpose. To make money !
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I thought Bruce was gonna quit action flicks. As soon as he finds out how well 6th Sense is doing, he dropped out of Ace In The Hole, so I guess Brucie figures he doesn't need action anymore. I realize he might make an exception for a 4th Die Hard but he would look pretty stupid if he went back on what he has been saying. He had said in Playboy he would do DH4 because if it didn't have all the explosions and action but this script review doesn't sound like its lite on action. It wasn't too many action flicks that was his problem, it was the ones he did. The Jackal, Mercury Rising, Last Man Standing, Armageddeon. Those would make me wanna quit too.
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DIE HARD AND JURASSIC PARK BOTH WANT TO DO SEQUELS THAT AREN'T NEEDED. I SAY COMBINE THEM AND HAVE TERRORISTS TAKE OVER AN ISLAND FULL OF DINOSAURS.
DIE HARD 4: JURASSIC PARK -
Sep 06, 1999 3:21:22 PM CDT
McClane shouldn't leave the house with the shitty luck he has
by paragonian
That plot sounds incredibly dumb. I'd rather see De Palma's Nazi Gold get made. After what Bruce Willis said at the Seattle Film Festival I don't think he'll be doing anymore Die Hards anyway.
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So what? Who cares?
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Howsabout instead of Bruce, we hire his younger lesser-talented brother JUICE Willis, just so we can hear this line: "How can the same shit happen to the BROTHER of the guy that had the same shit happen to more than once, TWICE?!" I think we all know hilarity would ensue. Chuck in a jive-talkin' robot and a scrappy kid who gets to say t-shirt-worthy witticisms like "NAZIS? NOT MEES!!!" (I'm thinking one of the unemployed kids from Full House. Stephanie is probably available.) POW! Instant July 4th blockbuster! AND a great video seller for Back-to-School!
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*Sigh*
I was just starting to have hope for Bruce Willis. who, by the by, I have always wanted to write a movie script for and star in just so I could say "Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?" Ahem...just making my otakuosity apparent.
Bruce, stay away. You still have the potential to get away from not only your old image, which no one of any import liked, and also get away from this schtinka.
Don't blow it, Bruce. If you keep on the track you've taken since Pulp Fiction (with a few missteps along the way, ones you couldnt have predicted (read: last man standing)) you will be one of the greats, right up there with Fairbanks and Stewart. Make it so, bruce, make it so. -
love the plot, narf.
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I like the Die Hard movies, all of 'em, even at their most implausible. But the scenario of this one sounds like the most implausible of all. My God in heaven, cut the 'Bad Luck McClane' and just promote the character to a Terrorist Actions Specialist for the F.B.I. I mean, he survived three separate incidents and more gun battles than I have hairs on my butt. Just make his position in these circumstances logical, not coincidental, and people won't laugh at it. It's a safe bet Bruce won't laugh at that either!
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I have to agree with DwDunphy... a fourth installment could work as long as the story doesn't rehash too many of the ideas already explored ad naseum in the first 3 parts. Bruce Willis' new outlook on excessive film violence could even become an aspect of the John McClain character. If he still wants a junior partner (rumored to be Ben Affleck) in part 4, he could expand the McClain character by taking a semi-deconstructionist approach to the 80's action genre while Affleck's character could be more like McClain in part 1. This would allow Die Hard 4 to still have the ingredients that made 1-3 so exciting, yet some new components that would deliver the type of message that Willis would be more comfortable with...
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I'm a huge fan of the Die Hard series, but i must admit i thought the last one sucked. It lacked the clausterphobic feel of the first two. The original film is still the best action film of its kind. Every action film that followed was Die Hard on a bus or Die Hard on a boat. The 4th sounds fun just don't take it seriously. Once Bruce gets the 20 million payday he'll think twice about not wanting to do another action film. He'll want to keep his suddenly hot again career rolling with another big hit.
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I thought I remembered seeing somewhere that they were gonna base it on some book called Ignition, about terrorists taking over a space shuttle launch. Anyone know what happened to that plan?
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Hasn't the rumour that has been circulating forever gone that the 4th installment in the DH series was gonna take place in the South American jungle ...???
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As for any possible versions of Die Hard 4 (Amazon, Bahamas, a Ben Stiller grocery store), the series' "real-world plausibility" vanished in 1989 with the announcement of Part 2. So I say let's just have fun with the escapist make-believe action-adventure FUN... after all it's not supposed to be real unless you believe the paranoid Clinton sycophants. It's action FANTASY. Let Bruce have his bi-annual $20 mil payday in a franchise that's become like an R-rated mean-macho series of Bond-like roller-coaster cliffhanger marathons. After all, Bruce is one of the few legit actors still capable of effectively inhabiting the 80's hero role, so why lump him in the category of has-been non-thesps like Seagal, when clearly Bruce is lightyears above Arnold and Sly (no offense to ABKing or Robert Earl). Bruce will still have time to do respectable dramas, so even with Die Hard 4 he'll always have variety on his palette away from the Joel Silver genre.
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I was disappointed that Die Hard "3"'s subplot about the vengeance of Hans' brother was tossed away like a casual afterthought...when clearly Hensleigh and McTiernan had the opportunity to craft a grand, thoughtful, emotionally-haunting revenge epic that was the action-movie equivalent of Wrath of Khan. But I enjoyed the movie anyway... Die Hard "3" was gigantically huge and expensive in the best possible over-the-top way, with a nice Central Park high-speed shooting-chase and that hilarious sequence in the construction tunnel and the giant tidal wave. D.H.WaV wasn't a "good" movie, and it could have been much much better, but considering the marathon pace of its tightly-scheduled chaotic over-budget production, it was certainly a fun summer popcorn pic and worth the price of admission.
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The only way to ruin the Die Hard franchise would be to remove the loving respect of the genre, because that's what killed off the Lethal Weapon sequels, which got more stupid and condescending and offensive and expensive the more they abandoned the initial essence of the first movie.
Comic books and pulp novels which respect their characters wind up with long successful lives. Die Hard is the cinematic equivalent of those, within the action genre. I think that as long as the Hollywood studios occasionally do that with a franchise like Die Hard, we'll have fun action-adventure movies that entertain the little boy inside each of us. These movies made not be believable, but that's why we go to the movies....to enjoy the suspension of our disbelief as we vicariously experience these situations through icons like Bruce Willis.
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To answer the NASA Die Hard question...
"Ignition" was originally a novel by Kevin J Anderson (the Star Wars novelist) but it proved too costly so it never made it past the movie-development stage. Most of the Cape Canaveral-doomsday scenic elements have already been explored in Contact, Armageddon, et al., but without the Hans Gruber vs. McClane cat-mouse game. A similar plot was used in "Taking Liberty," which was an expensive Die-Hard-on-the-Space-Shuttle screenplay written by Peter W Iliff (Point Break, Varsity Blues) which was purchased by Cameron's ex-wife Gale Anne Hurd, who produced Virus, The Relic, No Escape and other such modern masterpieces.
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Sep 07, 1999 12:03:38 AM CDT
Gale Anne Hurd should be banished to Cormanland and make straigh
by uncapie
Nice $80 million dollar bombs, Gale! Keep up the good work!
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but isn't 4 the unlucky number? just look at LW4 - a smellier piece o'shite you're not likely to step in any time soon. here's five-tone's preferred plot line: the feds make use of mcclane's experience with terrorists by making him the head of a training outfit, and ben affleck is the hotshot recruit who irritates the shit outta bruce with his devil-may-care ways yet also reminds him of himself in a weird kinda way. of course, ben thinks bruce is a bit of an old fart, but that changes when the two must team up to kick ass against evil terrorists. shane black writes, mctiernan directs, you watch. five-tone saying yippie-ki-yay, motherfucker.
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You know, there was a Die Hard 7. Soooo bad, it never got made!
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Sep 07, 1999 2:44:51 AM CDT
Die Hard 4: He Runs Into That Guy From The 2nd Part Cousin's-Hal
by dracul
Is it me, or does this "script" smell like another terrorist plot to use hidden Nazi Gold to purchase a millitary satellite armed with chemical weapons?
Holy Pepperoni Batman, did anyone inform Indiana Jones!?!?
Detective Mclane must be the unluckiest man alive, to survive 3 separate but coincidental terrorist plots and walk away without a scratch. I think the 4th Die Hard should be "The Further Adventures of Mace Windu"
-Dracul
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Die Hard 3 wasn't THAT implausible.... I mean you had to suspend disbelieve some, but it explained the reason he was involved... Simon was an armed robber... so was his brother... (not so unusual...) Hans gets thrown off the roof in LA. A few years later, Simon wants to pull a heist in NY. Say... Maclaine , the guy who threw my bro off the roof of a LA highrise ,is A New York Cop... this gives me an idea for a diversion... The only reason Brucy was involved at all was because Simon wanted him involved. So while the 2nd movie was extremely Coincindental (Almost cheesily so)with it AGAIN being christmas, and his wife (indirectly) being held hostage again... the third made more sense...
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That premise was the funniest I've read in some time. To think, some sick studio fuck might actually go that route...I haven't read many Willis interviews since The Sixth Sense was released, but I get the feeling from the TalkBacks here that he's giving up on the genre altogether. Well, i hope he does at least one more action film to finish it out and to wash the bad taste of Crapageddon out of our collective mouths...Guys, remember, when Bruce Willis is on in an action film, we're all jumping. Give him one more great one, and then he can retire. Die Hard 4, maybe? Well, I loved the first 2, and if they can actually end it, then I'm there. But probably not.
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I'm a big fan of the first Die Hard movie. You think "man trapped in a building with terrorists, right? And he kills 'em one by one...", sounds stupid. But wait, it worked. Same with Speed, sounded stupid, great action flick. The second Die Hard was a little poor, but the third was a great movie if you stand it alone. McTiernan was back on, Willis had Jackson as a partner, and we had one awesome villian in J-j-j-jeremy Irons. Come on guys, this could work out to be another great action movie (so what if it's the fourth). I love them, they're great escapism. They should put a lot of work into the fourth though, try and make it really special. Willis, well it shouldn't happen to him one more time. He should be some kind of terrorist expert by now. That gives us one "plausible" explanation for him running into them so often. Roll with that, bring in Affleck as his sidekick to learn the ropes. Pirates you say? I first I thought "o-k" at first, but imagine Willis alone on the island with these guys (yeah, does sound like the first actually). Work on it guys...make it great and finish the series....well.
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Is it just me, or are there more plans for sequels to great movies that will destroy them than there are plans for original movies. Die Hard trilogy was great movies, end it there. Look at all the movies that made too many sequels that killed it:
Batman stopped being great after the second movie,
Halloween sequels weren't as good as the orgininal two and many people think that franchise will officially die with H2K
Nightmare on Elm Street was choking itself out, but IMHO was reborn in New Nightmare
Friday the 13th was good for the first 4 (or 5 if you didn't mind it not being Jason as the killer, I enjoyed the movie) Jason VII wasn't too bad because of the psychic telekinitic girl. The only good thing about the 6-9 was the killing scenes.
Child's Play 2@3 weren't as good as the original, but Bride of Chucky brought it back to life.
Even the Star Trek movies has lost it's edge even thought First Contact wasn't too bad.
I Still Know What You Did Last Summer wasn't half as good as the first one
Scream and Scream 2 were pretty good, but unless they do a very good job with Scream 3, it will probably die out.
Universal Soldiers direct to video sequels sucked. The only cool thing about the third movie was that the soldiers were being used to steal a gold shipment from Dover Air Force Base in Delaware where I live.
Now there are plans for two Matrix sequels, a Jurassic Park prequel, a sequel to The Mummy. I even heard weak rumors of Ghostbusters and Beetlejuice sequels. We need some new ideas instead of copies and remakes. -
why is Bruce Willis so anti Die-Hard? Yes its true he came off big in The Sixth Sense. but why would he NOT want to return to action rolls? I mean, Harry's "Our man Bruce" made Hudson hawk and dont you forget it. He's made some stinkers before...Bruce should take on the Flint movies....Our Man Flint starring Bruce Willis and In like FLint staring Bruce Willis would be COOL!!! my two "sense" --McK
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Ok, I must admit- sequels rarely meet the standards set by the original. Back to the Future proves that point. And, usually, it starts to come back around somewhere about the 3rd installment, which is usually too late. Die Hard, for as great an action flick as it was, still holds somewhat of its core audience... not to mention the millions... and millions of the bruce's fans. (Sorry, had to use the reference) I've seen all the DH movies, in fact, I own them all. And, I did enjoy them. Each had its own distinct flavor, which, if you take it in and of itself, was not as bad as we all thought. If it's done right, a part 4 may not be all that bad. And, 4 isn't the unlucky number for all movies. Rocky IV, aside from I, was perhaps the best of the series, as it got back to its routes, IE the training sequences, and the two POWERHOUSES fighting it out.
If you want to get into a sidekick/partner debate... why not team the two top action stars around now- stick Chow Yun Fat in there for some extra flavoring. We KNOW the guy can handle the heat. Forget about Replacement Killers, even the Corruptor (which wasn't half bad). Look at Hard Boiled, look at The Killer. Right there is prime action material. And, enough with the light-heartedness. DH:WaV was almost TOO lighthearted, with too many jokes. Bruce needs that smartass style of his, which works against the suave demeanor of his potential co-worker. Hell, maybe even keep Chow Yun as a villain? Now THAT would be interesting. -
Why Why Why are good movies continually destroyed by sequels? Are there no original ideas left? Aren't sequels just glorified fan fiction, that just happened to have money thrown at them?
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Pirates??...Nazi Gold??...U sure this isn't a script for an Indiana Jones movie?? *L*....I love the Die Hard movies but this one sounds more like something Harrison Ford could do!..*L*...I almost don't see Bruce Willis going after Pirates but I just hope that if this IS the official script that it turns out as good as the last 3!
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I keep hearing all this talk about Die Hard 4, but Bruce Willis says he has given up action movies. Has he signed for a Die Hard 4? I have not heard him talk about it. I heard he is doing "Outlaws" next. I don't think he should give up action films because they are what got him where he is at today. He should at least give us another Die Hard. Does anyone know what Bruce thinks about another Die Hard?
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Before I rant I must no what the original ending for With A Vengence was cos the tacked on helicopter job was a damn soggy squib. Does anyone know?
My rant: Plotlines for sequels that may actually have a better story than an exec's laundry list.
Some sequels should be made just as an apology for the last installments.
Die Hard 4: don't make. First three were good.
Jurassic 3: Hammond should know that his cancer is killing him and so goes to his island to die like in the book. Then his grandson Tim inherits InGen. Due to being in debt up to his eyeballs he mounts an expedition to the original island (no site B bullshit) to recover the damn expensive equipment left there to repay his debts...
Lethal Weapon 5. Murtaugh retires. Riggs gets new partner who is just as nuts as he was in LW1. Mel's Kid and wife (hopefully Joe Pesci) are killed giving reason for Mel to go mad (a la 1+2) and seek out the killer who in a twist turns out to be his new partner.
Alien 5: Anything. Just make up for the shit heap that was Resurrection.
Batman 5: the comic saga of 'Knightfall' should be adapted with all the villains, ignoring the previous films' history. No Robin.
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Whats with all the bashing on Die Hard movies lately yeah the last one was not the up to the frist two but it still was great entertainment. I think there are plety of room for more. In part due to Bruce Willis ability to play heroic but flawed characters, That have threee dimensions I mean he makes John McClanes problems beliveable about the plot of Nazi Gold why not if you rduce the first one (Terroist take over building and one cop stops em) you guys would be trashing em left to right...I say to Fox DIE HARD 4 has my 8.50 waiting and ready...
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Why not? LW4 was a sad sappy movie, I say put Bruce and mel together, with Mel as the "Stable" force (with his partner FINALLY having retired!), who is trying to get Bruce's character to calm down (much as Mel was nurtured by his partner). Hell, throw in Eddy Murphy as Axel Foley and have a Beverly Hills Cop, Die Hard, Lethal Weapon movie... I could think of WORSE ideas (Police Academy 2000, and Jar jar Binks come to mind...)
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