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There's A New Trailer For SHERLOCK HOLMES Online!!
Merrick here...
There's a new trailer for Guy Ritchie's SHERLOCK HOLMES online...one which pointedly tips its hat to the Holmes/Watson bromance many of us have suspected for a while.
You can behold the trailer via the embed below:
...which originates HERE.
Wondering if they're using a sampling of Hans Zimmer's score for this trailer? Or, did they crib from PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, or something else? Will there be a difference?
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Not gonna!
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...ahead of time, because I want to love it, and the first trailer did not inspire love feelings at all.
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just blech
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Looking forward to it.
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Good for Guy. He used a tripod. You know, that thing from film school. It's got three legs. Made of metal, wood and plastic. Keeps the shot steady. JJ Abrams was out sick that day when they taught it. I'd have preferred that it didn't have the Stephen Sommers' monochromatic look, to hide all the CGI, but you can't have everything. Looks like a watchable LA to NY United Airlines movie.
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Will be a most enjoyable show, Guvna. Any ne'er wells who say otherwise ain't nothing but a pack of feckless gobsheens! Cheerio, haters!
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There isn't any subtlety to it. Every message it tries to convey is like a sledgehammer to your head. It's like "SHERLOCK IS COOL!!!!", "HE IS FUNNY TOO", "HE KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT", "HE WANTS TO BUTTFUCK WATSON!!!"
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...the leftover Victorian models from CHRISTMAS CAROL...it would have been LIKE NOTHING YOU HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE!
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I would definitely go for slomo cam.
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But that looks shocking. It actually reminds me of The Avengers movie from the 90's.
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Nov 04, 2009 12:47:52 PM CST
imagine if Holmes BLOWS Avatar (aka The Abyss 2) away......
by cartmanez
be funny if Avatar does something like $42m opening and drops to about $18m on wkend 2 and Holmes does like $75m opening - and goes on to do about $400m ww while Avatar winds up with about $250m ww
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I mean seriously, this looks Will Smith's Wild Wild West, or League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, or Van Helsing BAD! YUCK! P.U. SHAME ON YOU Downey, Ritchie et al!
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Disagree that it looks terrible but do agree that it looks like the kind of film you'd happily watch on an airplane flight while chowing down on a dinky tray of food using plastic knives. Theatre trip, not so much.
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hope theres a scene of Sherlock and John tenderly making love in the bathroom...you know - pants around ankles stuff, bare bottoms, shirt lifting etc
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Without the vagueness.
It's like a parody trailer without the half-farted redemption of the weaksauce comedy idea of making fun of something and so ignoring all the sign posts of history and going full steam ahead with the fail carnival of mediocrity-as-entertainment.
Good job, Hollywood.
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...I'm thinking about two thirty in the afternoon.
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New Human Oddities for the loss.
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Sigh.
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The Music is E.S. Posthumus, not POTC sampling or Zimmer.
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Songs are Unstoppable and Arise by E.S. Posthumus. As huskerman1984 previously said. I wish Zimmer would come up with something that creative sounding.
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Guy Ritchie, I'm really starting to wonder about you... You had me at "Lock, Stock" and since then, only "Snatch" has gotten close. WTF?
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Nov 04, 2009 1:11:37 PM CST
...I will now share with you my Black Friday at the in-laws...
by flickapoo
...track record:One of those NEXT GENERATION STAR TREK movies...couldn't say which one. PRINCE OF EGYPT. CASTAWAY MEET THE FOKKERS.NATIONAL TREASURE. Thanksgiving can't come soon enough!...
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They had a real opportunity to make a badass, dark, mystery-detective story in Victorian era england. Make it atmospheric, and come up with a really clever mystery. Instead they turn it into a stupid family action-comedy, with slo-mo explosions and slapstick comedy. The Wild Wild West analogy seems dead on unfortunatly. The people saying this is true to the books are out of their minds. Ya, holmes could fight, but he wasn't an action hero, there was barely any "action" in the books, it was all about out-thinking his enemies.
And I like Robert Downey JR, but he's absolutely wrong for this kind of story. He's more of a comedic actor, and by casting him, they've decided to shift the whole tone of the books and the character. Ugh, this just looks like such a huge wasted opportunity and an insult to the wonderful character. -
appreciated the gay jokes with respect to Holmes & Watson's close working relationship. That was definitely the tone he was going for.
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a new turd floating in my toilet. I think I'll go watch that for three minutes instead. At least it's original.
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I ahve been preparing my own Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson film for some time now - Everyone will hate this movie because he has no idea what the characters are about. In my village we call men like Guy Ritchies: Galimibro's(this means - a man who fuck the old rich ladies from the stupid Americas).
Watson should never get the better of Holmes, we see in the trailer he does and even saves his life - What is this film! Sherlock Holmes or Dr Watson? Secondly Holmes always wears his trusty deerstalker hat and monocle. Thirdly, why no mention of Holmes' arch nemy Jack The Ripper?
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And what are the odds Avatar will shit all over this movie, creatively and financially? 5:1? 3:1? 2:1? Step right up and place your bets. Oh yeah, note to Rachel McAdams - why are you in this? Please pick better scripts, sweetie!
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your bastardization of everything,in order to make an attractive product for the mass,and sell toys and cornflakes,is unique in the whole world.
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Funny because some of his score from GLADIATOR sounds just like the POTC stuff.
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looks like a lame smug fest. fuck this film.
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I'll wait till Boxing Day.
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It's funny and true to the spirit of the novels. Pure Billy Wilder genius.
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natch on the Snatch...and I liked the movie too!
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BLACK SUNDAY on Black Friday?
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Great to hear their work in a movie - if only in a trailer. I await for their first full score with bated breath!
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Going to see it.
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on that last comment. I understand why they are going with this family-film tone. It's bound to make some money out of it. And I think Law is an impressive Watson from the looks of it. But look at just how generic and by the numbers this film looks. Also, Guy Ritchie hasn't done anything worth mentioning since Snatch. Hell, Snatch was already treading the same water I'd say Lock Stock. Looks like a Stephen Sommers film.
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I would say Dark Knight, but majority here shits on that movie a year and a half later, so its undermined.
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I hope so. Because the ads were fucking fantastic. Same goes for LOTR (but that's an even harder crowd to please because you got sci-fi shitheads crying about Star Wars there and how much better it is than the upcoming LOTR movie).
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it looks awful. pop aristocrat i like you generally hate how there is so much hate on these boards but this film looks fucking awful to me.
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This looks damn fun! It's about time someone reinvented Sherlock Homes. He's such a great character that he can certainly survive a number of wildly divergent interpretations, not unlike Batman or Dracula. I'm sure this will face a certain ammount of criticism similar to that endured by "Young Sherlock Holmes," that the film lacks Sherlock's cerebral nature in favor of more pugilistic action, but I think this fresh look at an old chestnut is a good thing.
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That shit be freaky!
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or not(actually it looks like fun), I’ve grown to respect Guy Ritchie. Here’s a man who can win any argument by saying; ‘so what I used to be married to Madonna’
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I'm going with Sean Penn. The man has talent.
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will be watching Avatar for a second time Christmas day!
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The series filmed from 1984 - 1994 and largely, if not completely, cover the whole literary Holmes' canon. These are--to me--as true to the original stories as adaptations could possibly be and star the late, great Jeremy Brett as the best, most complex and fascinating film/tv Sherlock Holmes ever performed. You can stream them free via NetFlix. I can't say that Ritchie's film adaptation looks promising. Jeremy Brett--who fought the studio for faithful adaptations of plot and character throughout the decade he played Holmes--would be suitably appalled, but not surprised, by this trailer were he alive.
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to the problem of reimagining Sherlock Holmes.
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than ever read anything yours, you thick bastard!!! You haven't a clue, you twank!!
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(Madonna included) and even the thoughts of this movie makes me violently ill - but Miguel De Barioz, just shut up`!!!
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Whatever happened to friends?
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Nov 04, 2009 3:07:43 PM CST
at least they are not portraying Watson as a bumbling, retard
by famouseccles
but I still don't like it !!
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now this.
What other British icons are you going to fuck up next?
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Sherlock Holmes In Name Only.Watch Jeremy Brett's Granada TV series, accept no substitutes.
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You know, re-invention can be great. It can be cool to bring something new to an idea, something imaginative, off the wall, out of left field. To maybe treat your audience as intelligent, and to use subtlety and wit to show us an angle that perhaps might have eluded them. But what we have here is a tired old goofy, buddy formula pulled straight out of 1980’s cop movies and shoehorned into the most clever and intellectual of relationships between Holmes and Watson from timeless stories that thankfully will live long beyond this shitty mess. Their friendship is so more subtle than caricaturing it as a ‘bromance’. It just reveals the shallowness of the producers and Guy Richie that that is an aspect they are now trying to sell us. That trailer was everything movie making should be ashamed off in seeing the audience as the lowest common denominator.
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I'm relativly young (23) and I just can't believe that Granda and ITV actually every made something worth watching. I'm a huge fan of the Sherlock Holmes books and I am tempted to purchase the series on dvd but everytime I do, I think ITV and stop myself. ITV making a good show????they make the x factor for christ sake!
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there were two sherlock holmes movies in development. holmes starring downey jnr and jude law. and another holmes film starring somebody else and directed by somebody else. these two films were very serious competiton. Ritchie got there first.
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You will not be disapointed. It is as good as it gets. Once you see Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes, you will accept no substitutes.
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Worked great for Batman, it will not work so great for Sherlock Holmes. And i fear the trailers are not even shopwing the worst of it.
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Talk about a serious misunderstanding of the books. This is coming off as an action/comedy/romp. Sherlock Holmes is a slow burn intellectual puzzle. The action never takes place in the narrative, it happens before, or after or is gone over briefly in the notes of Watson, it's never some drawn out, explicitly shown thing. And as for the whole Holmes/Watson thing, it's surprising that the only people who read more into their relationship are the ones who have never read the books.
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If he brings a quarter of the wit, cleverness and energy he brought to his Jekyll revamp, then his Sherlock Holmes project will run circles around Gal Bitchie's cartoon bullshit. Fuck that noise, yo!!
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directed by rachel goldberg and written by paul bales. the other sherlock holmes movie is a mystery. Holmes has to track a villain called spring heeled jack.Sherlock Holmes battles and finally outwits Spring-Heeled Jack, a super criminal having the power to make astounding jumps with his rocket-enforced armor.
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this looks more like POTC than Sherlock Holmes. This movie will probably be fun, but it won't be the Sherlock Holmes I know.
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gareth david-lloys, dominic keating, simon loyd roberts, dylan jones, Iago maguire, chris coxon, rachel evelyn, catriona mcdonald, william huw, ben syder, and niall scullard. richard sanderson.
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Sherlock Holmes meets Michael Bay? Naked women, gunfights, Watson has a dog, devil-worshippers, explosions? Here's a thought: MAKE A FUCKING AUTHENTIC SHERLOCK HOLMES MOVIE YOU NIT-WITS!
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http://whedonesque.com/comments/22240
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That's interesting... Spring Heeled Jack was a character from 'Penny Dreadfuls' in the Victorian era. He would certainly make a more interesting opponent in an original Holmes story than the Aleister Crowleyesque Lord Blackwood in this bollocks.
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This at least looks better than the teaser, but I still don't care for the over the top comedy/buddy cop feel. And Downey Jr. just doesn't seem to work. Jude Law comes off a little better in the ad. The only promising part was the tease of Nudity but you can almost be certain that that's about as much as there will be in the final movie.
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And not the fun, entertaining first Zorro movie, but the bloated, incoherent second Zorro movie. What a disgraceful re-imagining of an iconic character.
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This trailer does indeed look like a parody. Its almost as if somebody has for a joke demonstrated what the fucking lowest common denominator twats in Hollywood would do with a half way decent concept. [br]
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What's the point of even coming here if all people are going to do is spew crap every time something like this comes out? Don't like big, family adventure films? Then don't see it. Have something worth saying? Then say it, constructively. Who wants to bother reading a bunch of filthy trashy comments? Why read your posts at all? I just started skipping and then quit all together.
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Fuck Guy Ritchie.
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I think you have come to the wrong site my friend. Filthy trashy comments is what this site is all about ...and thats just the staff, us posters are 10 times worse.
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and say "hmm, yes, Sherlock Holmes!" Jesus.
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would have been the Sherlocks best bet , not just because Nolan is an excellent director but his films like The Prestige set in Victorian era London AND Memento shows he has a strong ability with creating mystery, and presenting exceptionally intelligent and driven characters like Sherlock Holmes who first and foremost is a detective way ahead of his time (almost like a non-gadget wearing Batman - Sherlock is NOT so much an action hero) Holmes is a character with an almost supernatural understanding of criminal behavior .
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The second Zorro movie, as in the one writen by Bob Orci and Kurtzman?
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The problem is not big, family adventure movies. The problem is BAD big, family adventure movies. Emphasis on BAD. And only idiots like bad movies.
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How is it going, my revered master and teacher?
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That would be the dream. With Christian Bale as either Holmes or Watson. God, that would had been wonderful. In some paralel universe, i'm affraid, not this one. In this universe, we get SHINO. After STINO. The Gods of Cinema laugh at us.
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is a direct to video thing. but then if you go to imdb and read her cv, well. this could well be bollocks also. its release date is 26th jan 2010.
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Get Steven Moffat/Russell T. Davies to script and David Yates to Direct.
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Nov 04, 2009 5:32:26 PM CST
LISTEN TO "NO MORE TALK" - DUBSTAR!!!RIGHT NOW!!!GREAT SONG!!!
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which isnt a surprise
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Looks great.
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does not bode well for this film. Zero hype and anticipation out there for it from the general public..and it alienates Old School Holmes fans.
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the bottom of a toilet. And then flushed. With lye.
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It's the disrespect. Some idiots seated aroudn a table and one of them said "let's make a sherloci holmes movie that's an action movie". And the other idiots agreed. and nobody even though that might not be a really god idea, and would be kinda disrespectful to the original storis which they are now trying to make a fast buck on. Really, the disrespect truly upsets and irrritates me. They are not filmmakers, they are cobblers.
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Holmes that will make Jason Bourne look much more quick-minded and clever.
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covers nearly the entirety of his work you say? And Brett plays a good Holmes you say? I shall check this out.
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is how during all the set visits, all the people involved talk about how much they love and respect Sherlock Holmes, and how their making sure this will be faithful and respectful of the books.
And then they make something that bears no resemblance at all to the original work in any way. Seriously, if you just changed the names in that trailer for Watson and Holmes, and changed the title, a person watching would have no idea this was a Sherlock Holmes movie. -
I used to think this guy was the shit. I saw Lock Stock so many times on DVD, and Snatch I thought was brilliant...oh how I recognize the folly of my ways. It's Guy Ritchie doing a fucking awful Cockney impression with Tarantino-wanabe syndrome. And I don't even like Tarantino THAT much (though I do recognize his merits), so seeing a bad imitation is even worse. Fuck off Guy Ritchie. Your underling Matthew Vaughn is already a much better varied director than you.
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to bring Lord Statham into the film world. Sure he became your average action star 5 seconds later. But still, he's a better alternative to your WWE wrestlers.
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of cash! In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if it made over two hundred in the US alone. For the millionth time this isn't' the demo that will make it a success.
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so honestly fuck the general public. It's a cliched thing to say but their tastes are just fucking horrible. These are the same people who kept Saw at number 1 for the first 5 iterations! These are the same people that will probably have Avatar bomb yet go see Transformers 3 four times in theatres. I'm fuckin sick of em. I heard The Hurt Locker made an embarrassing 15 million total at the box office.
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jude law looks awesome.
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I've read all the books and stories, love them, but am not fanatical--so my opinion isn't the same as someone with a huge investment. But frankly, I don't care if the movie is unlike any other, or if it doesn't feel like the books. I DO care if it feels like the character Doyle described. But that means you have to read between the lines. He was a boxer, fencer, martial artist. He hung out on the docks and had remarkable strength. Holmes studied or knew NOTHING that he didn't actually need. Remember that he didn't know if the Earth went around the moon or vice versa? And didn't care? That means that all of his combative study was USEFUL to him. Whether Watson recorded those adventures or not, they must have existed. Holmes and sex? Hell, Victorian literature tried to paint a sexless picture. Anyone buy that nonsense? After the hundreds of Holmes movies and television portrayal, what in the bloody hell is wrong with taking a different perspective? One freaking time? Geeze, lighten up. Did you complain this loudly at the LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, or did you forget that reinterpretation of legend is one aspect of art? Ah, well...we'll see when it comes out. I'm hoping to have a blast!
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District 9 and Paranormal Activity made money too, so fuck your mass audiences argument. It's just a tired old trick to confuse us into watching shit like Children of Men.
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I was waiting for Tropic Thunder to begin. A question for you guys who work in Hollywood- Do you know you are making crap and don't care, or do you think these films actually have promise?
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Seriously disappointed. Still going to give it a shot, but that trailer was pretty anticlimactic to me. Sigh.
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Nov 04, 2009 9:45:13 PM CST
There is no chance this movie will make more than Avatar
by coughlins laws
Remember when Titanic came out and some people thought that The Postman might make more money than Titanic? That seems funny now...
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not really... im just going along with the rest of you dreary cunts
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Nov 04, 2009 10:48:38 PM CST
You know what really fucking upsets me?
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
It's the disrespect. Some guys made an action movie Sherlock Holmes. Then a bunch of nerds sat around a talkback and none of them stopped to ask if this might be a good idea or even if, in fact, no ones childhood would necessarily have to be raped in the process of watching and enjoying this movie. They aren't movie fans. They're hateful old virgins.
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Jesus...film hasnt even come out yet and you're already convinced its a failure. Hate to break it to you,but the original Holmes stories were written as STORIES....not movies. Nothing wrong with an update,and this looks fine to me,and certainly not anything to rile up this much rage over.
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I know its a cliche, and I agree that the talkbacks in general lately are WAY too negative and unwilling to go with anything, but as a big fan of the series, this whole approach really rubs me the wrong way. If this was Star Wars they were re-imagining, or something else you were a big fan of, you'd be bitching as well.
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Is most likely The Young Adventures of Sherlock Holmes...or whatever the hell the name of that movie was where he fought the Stained Glass Knight. How does that movie hold up? Havent seen it since the 80's,but I seem to recall enjoying it....and it was pretty fucking far from the books written by Sir A.C.D.
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but I would totally watch the Adventures of Home-Boy Holmes...starring one of the Wayans Brothers in a fat suit playing Watson,soundtrack by the PussyCat Dolls and Snoop Dog....also,Snoop Dog plays Moriarty. Awww Hells Yeah!!!
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I admit when it comes to Holmes I'm a bit of a purist but this doesn't inspire me at all. I know I'm going to see it, I'm a Downey Jr fan and it looks like it could be entertaining but the only connection this film has with SH is the title and the character names. As others have said, the single best interpretation of Holmes was the Granada series, with Mr Rathbone coming a close second. Brett's performance is so intense I believe he stated it was one of the things which contributed to his nervous breakdown
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I'll bet he'll have Holmes shoot lasers out of his eyes.
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therefore this movie will be a huge hit.
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that the Holmes purists won't like this movie a bit. Personally, I don't want to judge it from this trailer, as Ritchie is a hit and miss director, so perhaps he's hit the nail in the head this time.
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Nov 05, 2009 2:47:32 AM CST
I´ll see this. You guys are too hard on shit sometimes.
by zombieheathledger
Is it the next District 9? no. but it still looks like an enjoyable two hours in the cinema. Lighten up, cretins.
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Nov 05, 2009 2:55:12 AM CST
LMAO@ Miguel De Barioz who wins ¨dumbass of the thread¨
by zombieheathledger
What country are you from Delusionalonia? You know what we who are from the ¨stupid America´s call jealous wannabe retards like yourself? JEALOUS WANNABE RETARDS! Wow, you sent a script to Stan Lee? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, God, that had me laughing so hard. That should be a new AICN meme because it´s so stoopid. I hate this movie, I sent a script to Stan Lee. Keep chasing that rainbow, Miguel, I´m sure Guy Ritchie is quivering in his Madonna Millions in fear of you.
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starring the magnificent ian richardson. one the greatst actors to grace the small screen. it was all about the origins of holmes and watson. have been watching house of cards trilogy. sir ians performance is stupendous. forget the west wing. brits got there first. its amazing how prophetic house of cards really was.
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Nov 05, 2009 4:09:32 AM CST
"I'll bet he'll have Holmes shoot lasers out of his eyes."
by mattmanbegins
HUH? Which director are you mistaking Guy Ritchie for? Stupid comment.
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i'd like to see your reaction of you watch the movie and fucking hate it. you will be another of the hateful hangs too. Think about it.Just because a movie is supposed to be fun doesn't mean it is. and there is something inherently wrong in the concept of a Sherlock Holmes movie that goes the dumb down action movie route. Asking for an intelligent and respectful Sherlock Holmes movie, is that too much to ask?And what is this deal about people calling haters to those who have a more critical, skeptical nature? There's a flip side to that coin, you know? People who are so easily pumped up for a movie might look like unquestionable sheep who eat up anything crap thrown at them. See how it works? For every "hater" there's a mindless accepting drone. It cuts both ways.
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And artistic and cinematic failure. Doesn't mean it will be a commercical failure. Never the formers prevented the later from happening, and we have the case of Transformers 2 as evidence.
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Dude, are you EVER happy? Just becaused this isn´t the version of Holmes YOU want, doesn´t mean that it can´t be an enjoyable couple of hours of laughs at the cinema.
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¨Girl from Ipanema¨ is a brazilian song, idiot. and this is not a questio of what i want, but of what this movie is. you know what i really want? A fucking good movie a bout a really great fictional character. I'm not going to get that and it's not an happy feeling. and i don't give a shit if there's people who are amused by shit, i'm not, so there. Compreendes?
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So fucking closed in your own shit you cna't even know the real name of the song, only the translation title. Maybe we should also translate all the title of american songs as well, hem? Fucking ass!
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Hey Dumbassimov, the city of Ipanema is in Brazil but the song is sung in Porto by Stan Goetz. Now that you´ve shown yourself to be complete ignorant ass (again!) maybe you can stop looking to movies to fulfill your life. Hollywood owes you nothing. Sometimes what they offer will line up with your tastes and interests sometimes it will not. Venting endlessly about it will not get you what you seek but sure will annoy the fuck out of posters on this site. Comprendes, tonto?
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Portugueses say rapariga, brazlians say moça or garota.
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Are you fucking kidding me??? You lecturing me on this? A Garota De Ipanema was composed by two brazlians, Vicinius de Morais (lyrics) and António Carlos "Tom" Jobim (music). It's an hallmark of brazilain music history.But there is a portuguese song composed by a native of Porto called Rui Veloso which is a good fit for you. It's called "Chico Fininho" and it's a song about a fucking junkie. Fits you like a glove.
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no shit it was composed by Brazilians, hairsplitter! But it was SUNG by Stan Getz in PORTO so I told you to SING it, dumbass! There´s another song in Porto sung by a local Porto dude called, ¨We Here in Porto Love to Fuck Goats,¨and you fit it like your minidick fits your pet goat´s rectum, lol.
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I agree this looks very crappy, but the Granada TV series? Jesus, that was shit! Terrible, stagey acting and a pace that would put a sloth to sleep - old people television at its worst. Calling that shit the "definitive" Holmes is pretty retarded.
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There. I fucking said it. The rest of you can carry on wanking off into a sock or whatever it is that you freaks actually derive some enjoyment from.
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Chico Fininho, the song about the junkie, totally aplies to you. When you are off the influence, then we can talk, because so far all i see is mindless ramblings from you.
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I was useing an exagerated metaphor to point out that Ritchie was creating an antithesis to the Conan Doyle Holmes....nevermind I've probably already lost you.
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Maybe i'm so wrong with my skeptical and critical attitude. How dare I being so critical and demanding about the movie i pay to watch? I should be grateful that this very nice people from the Hollywood Studios they even deign to make movies. they make this movies, and i complain? How more ungratful can i get?It's not like this studio people make movies for profit and commerce. No, they make this movies as an act of charity, from the goodness of their hearts, to saciate the drought of my soul. Me poor miseable soul, suffering the slings and arrows of outragious fortune from the miseries of life. And this studio people, this my betters, those hallowed people who have direct link to God Himself and who, like the Pope, are infallible and unaccountable. This godly people bestow upon my poor battered soul their godly gift, the Gift of the Dumb Movie.Because that's what i should expect. It's too good fior my lowly person. I should bow down and fall to my knees singing gloria halleluliah and hossanas for the nice people at the studios made a movie.Who am I to question their wisdom? Who am I to complain about the dumbness of the movies betowned upon me? Lucky me i goet a movie, any movie. The movie being dumb it's such a unimportant piffle.Stop nickpicking and start eating it all up like a good trained dog, that's should me my motto from encefoward. Stop quiestioning studios. Stop questioning mediocre hack filmmakers. Stop questioning my betters. Do not ask for quality in movies, that's a sign of ungodly hubris. Be humble, eat up all the dumb shit movies the studios deliever upon me and don't ask questions. Be huimble.I'm so happy the good Dumb Lovers Geeks Crowd here has opened my eyes to the truth. I was blind, but now i can see! LONG LIVE DUMB ASS MOVIES!Thank you, thank you, thank you very much.
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called sweet 16. about one of the most important historical events to happen in early 20th century ireland, 1916 rising, which lead to the founding of the irish state and the war of independence and the civil war that followed. all these events conspired to create the mosdern irish state. I can just imagine some exec sitting in hollywood waiting to distriubte this film and thinking where are the leprachauans and where the hell is darby o gill and why isnt he in the movie. I can just imagine the exec looking for the tourism ireland four green fields in the movie. the exec will probably look for and demand pigs and parlours and the parish priest and the peasants. and of a group irish people who are drunk as skunks. the exec will ask for a couple of beggorahs to be thrown into the script.
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Nov 05, 2009 9:17:46 AM CST
This looks like a literal interpretation of “The Speckled Band”
by i_snake_plissken
Only with a light increase in explosions and borderline homo-erotic tomfoolery.
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What? Not in the slightest!
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Sounds like you may have only watched an episode or two of the Granada series and judged it harshly. I'd give it another go if I were you. Jeremy Brett was one of the greatest actors of the 20th century--hands down--and his portrayal of SH was simply astonishing; remarkably nuanced. It goes without saying that I'm far from the only individual (or critic) who thinks so. Give it another go, I says.
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Okay, you may be right. What's the top three episodes in your opinion?
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This year we got a truckload of -INO movies. It started with WINO (Watchmen In Name Only), then TINO2 (guess what), STINO (guess what) and it will close with SHINO. WINO, TINO2, STINO and SHINO. What a year!
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You might even had catch one of the latest seasons episodes, which, in my opinion, were not as good as the first and second season. also, by the later season, Jeremy Brett was quite ill, and it showed in his acting. But in the first two seasons, he was quite energetic. He was the most energetic Sherlock Holmes ever seen in either film or TV.
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...It's only "fault" was that it was twenty years too late. Gen-Ys have the attention spans of gnats, and love to play fanboy perfectionist over every fucking thing...hence, a billion arguments over a useless squid when the story's spirit was fully intact.
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That's tough. I'd go with the two parter--"The Sign of Four"--as perhaps the best of the series. "The Dancing Men" and "The Red-Headed League" (great Moriarty episode) are also superb.
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I agree that we should be critical of the movies we watch, because we do pay to see them. That being said, if you really think about it our opinions and complaints really mean nothing to anyone except ourselves. Do you really believe that anyone in Hollywood listens or even cares about what you, or I, or anyone thinks? Hell Transformers 1 was a huge loud mess right? I am sure that many many people complained about the movie being a brainless action movie right? What happened with TF2? It was even MORE dumbed down than the first one!! Proof that nobody really cares about the opinions of movie fans like you or I. Now, don't take this as my trying to say you should not be critical of movies, I am, we all are and will continue to be. All I am saying my friend is do not delude yourself into thinking that anything you or I or anyone says about the movies we see means anything to anyone in Hollywood. The suits listen to one thing, the almighty dollar, and unfortunately our society today is so dumbed down and so undemanding that they will take just about anything no matter how bad it is an embrace it. That is what empowers the studios to make dumb loud movies, because that is what the people want. Not people like you or I, or some others on here, but the dumbed down people of today's society that basically accept what is thrown at them instead of demanding something better. Now, I AM NOT getting into or naming specific films, nor should you (ha ha we know why LOL)because that is not the point of this rant. Yes there are rare exceptions, like The Dark Knight, and as incredible as that movie was, the sad part is that it owes a small tiny bit of it's success to Heath Ledger's death. Don't get me wrong, the movie would have still been the blockbuster it turned out to be, but you know that there was a small part of the audience of that film that went because it was Ledger's final performance and was a stellar one. Granted, I am sure a lot of people who went for that reason probably wound up liking the film because of how great it was and not just ledger's performance, but you cannot deny that part of the audience (like i said, a very small part) went because of Ledger and nothing else. My point is people are stupid, you would think after a movie like TDK is that big of a hit, that people would demand quality like that all the time. Nope, that movie must have burnt out society because they have been completely undemanding since then, stupidity has run rampant in Hollywood. The sad part is, nothing you or I or anyone else says will make a difference, and unfortunately we cannot go out and educate the public so we have to settle for the crap that is thrown at us no matter if we like it or not. Ok i cannot type anymore LOL. Hope you all enjoyed this rant, carry on.
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...than Downey. Poor casting.
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A buddy of mine introduced me to Brett's Homes many many years ago. I watched many episodes and wow, Brett is awesome as Holmes. Sign Of Four was amazing, as was most of the entire series. Brett just brought something to the character that no one before ever had, and I don't think you will see again, Brett's Holmes is the gold standard of Holmes portrayals, hands down.
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I liked the first one a lot. He should stick to what he's good at. He doesn't need the money with his alimony from Madonna.
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Good point. Mark Strong would make a very good Holmes, i'm certain.
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Good to know you were converted to the Church Of Jeremy Brett As Holmes. I remember seeing that series in my late teens, and how awed i was it with.As for the sucess of TDK, there's no explanation. I'm still baffled that such an intelligent and darkly tonned movie got to be such a big hit. It will take decades for science to explain that.Actually, Holylwood does take notice of this posts. not in the way we would mostly like, as in, kisten to what we say and take notes and follow our opinions. No, Holywood uses sites liek this to test the waters. Why you think there is so many posts about certain movies or certain directors, like Jar Jar Abrams and all things to do with his STINO movies? He's testing the water,s to see what stuff he throws and sticks. We are lab rats to the studios, they get early testing of their stuff with out reactions. and they count them as positive or negative. No, they don't bother following our sujections, but they do take note of our acceptance or rejection.
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That's even worse than being ignored. So studios see what we say and despite what we say they do what they want to do anyway? That's inexcusable. What we think SHOULD matter. Don't they realize as movie geeks if we see something we love we will spread the word to anyone and everyone we know? No, they depend on the brain dead automatons of society instead. Good call.
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Yes, I can't imagine a better Holmes than Brett's. This is partially due to two factors:1. Jeremy Brett was a world class actor who performed onstage side by side with the best actors of the 20th century. He literally BECAME the character (much to the detriment of his own psyche), and much highlighted Holmes' weaknesses and mania/depression.2. Jeremy Brett became absolutely obsessed with Sherlock Holmes as written by Doyle. In this case, the source material makes for more intriguing and exciting and fascinating and complex characters and storylines than any of the prior film or tv adaptations. And Brett always insisted on playing Holmes as he was written (at least as a foundation). I'm not going to destroy Ritchie's adaptation based on a simple trailer, but I will state that injecting contemporary dialogue (e.g., "They've been flirting like that for hours") into a period piece is a real pet peeve of mine. Upon watching the trailer, I immediately felt like I was watching the Victorian equivalent of the 90's XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS or HERCULES. Of all the projects which needed a campy adaptation overhaul, I'd put the Sherlock Holmes stories at the very bottom of the pile. Now the film may end up being a rollicking good time, but I'll never know. I just don't feel the need to see this one. I've simply got too much interest and respect for the source material to see it morphed into a cartoon. No hard feelings towards those folks who disagree with me, though.
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there are some people who really like french films and there are those who cant abide french cinema. people who love and adore french cinema possibly look down thier noses at people who dont. so thier are people who like certain films and those who dont. fans wanted venom in a spiderman movie. they got what they wanted. and they gave out when they didnt like the way venom was portrayed in spiderman 3. fans can get a little above themselves. they have certain ideas in their heads. In ireland there is a football pundit called Eamonn dunphy. he is a joke. but he was once a legend. he played for many clubs in the uk. every manager that has lead ireland dunphy welcomed him. then gone against them. when they dont staart winning dunphy leads the charge to give the manager the sack. because like the talkbacker dunphy really wnats to be the one in charge. dunphy certainly has ideas above station. nobody really cares what he thinks anymore. recently dunphy called irelands performance shamefull. ireland currently sits in 2nd place below the world champions italy and are headed into a play off with france. dunphy is shamefull.
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Sherlock Holmes's stories first appeared in the Strand magazine in the late 1800's. The illustrator was Sidney Pagent, who provided several amazing pictures per story. In only one story "The Boscombe Valley Mystery", was Holmes showed wearing the classic deerstalker hat, which Hollywood popularised as the image of Holmes. The rest of the time he was pictured in a variety of headgear such as, tophat, bowlers, fedoras, etc. etc. No Victorian man of any substance would venture outside without a hat as it was the style at the time. Also Holmes was a drug user and extremely untidy in his personal habits as well as an excellent boxer, martial artist, and bohemian. He was arrogant to the point of rudeness although he was unaware of this as he was more concerned with tackling the problem then worrying of his demeanour to various individuals. He was also a master of disguise and subterfuge. In the stories several times he acted a certain way, i.e. pretending to faint or be ill to ascertain the villian's true motives. This movie seems to me to be a genuine interpratation of the character and the higher percentage of the talkbackers on this talkback seem to be genuine cunts and wankers. Go Fuck yourselves, cunts and wankers, Cheers.
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Nov 05, 2009 12:42:26 PM CST
That trailer REALLY makes me want to avoid this movie.
by royston lodge
The earlier trailers made this movie look mediocre. This new trailer makes it look genuinely stupid.
Sherlock Holmes vs. The Occult?!
At then end, when Holmes pulls the villain's mask off, does the villain yell, "I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you kids and your dog!" -
The Musgrave Ritual and The Six Napoleons
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A genuine cunt and wanker... 'nuff said.
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At this point, the Sherlock Holmes of film is just as valid and canon if not more so than the Holmes of literature. Does Ritchie have every right to try to make a Holmes film true to the original source material? Absolutely. Do we have a right to criticize it for not being like the Holmes we know and love? Also, valid. Now Bugger Off, and Cheerios!
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It was brilliant, nuanced, passionite and classic... I love it and all the shows are vivid memories for me... but he's dead. So... we have a new big budget Holmes movie and a new portrayal to brign the character to an entirley new audience. End of story, all of you cunts and wankers.
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by Billy Wilder is the best Sherlock Holmes movie ever, imho!
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Even though I have my reservations about it, I love the character of Homes and want to see how this version is played out. Le Vicious Fishus-I agree with you about the use of modern dialogue in a period piece, it doesn't belong and you are pandering to the audience, assuming that they are too stupid to understand Victorian speak (which is sadly not too far from the truth, but still, should be proper dialogue) which is ridiculous because it's English for Christ's sake, just spoke a different way...not too hard to understand really. My sister had a similar gripe regarding a line in Troy (which I really liked, don't quite get the hate but that's irrelevant right now) when Achilles says "Immortality, take it, it's yours" she said that people of that time would have never used a contraction (referring to "it's") she says he would have said "Take it, it is yours". I understand her point, but that was just done for dramatic effect, the way he said it packs a bit more of a punch, IMO. Anyways, things in movies are always being changed to appease the stupidity or short attention span of the general public much to the dismay of intelligent people like you or I or any number of us who don't appreciate being looked upon as stupid.
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Haahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... the Sherlock Holmes of film is just as valid as the Holmes of literature....hahahahahahaha... what a cunt you are! Does that include the film "Young Sherlock Holmes" or the "Seven Percent Solution" or "Sherlock Holmes Smarter Brother" or "Without a Clue" with Michael Caine, where Holmes was and idiot and Watson was the genius.....hahahahahahahahaha what a cunt and a wanker.
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Do your friends laugh at you when you make comments like that... or wait you probably don't have any friends... ok does your mom laugh at you when you make comments like that....hahahahaha Cunt and Wanker alert!!!!
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I'll be one of the few going against the grain to say I'll actually be looking forward to this movie, and this trailer just makes me want to see it more.
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I am the biggest Sherlock Holmes fan there is in existance and I look forward to this movie. Name any short story or one of the 4 novels and I will give a thumbnail sketch of the entire plot. You stupid fucks know nothing about the character because you can't read unless it's some idiot's opinion on a talkback. You're all pathetic or if you prefer; You are all pathetic.
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I have read many Holmes stories by Doyle so you are not talking to some clueless dolt and I have also seen many Holmes films, of which there are hundreds. But, of course you bring up the few worst examples to make your case. Go kiss the Queen's ass!
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C'mon defend that ridiculous assertion, the Sherlock Holmes of film is just as valid as the literature.... c'mon you fucking weasel... give me the fucking rationalization behind that brilliant piece of shit you put out... c'mon you fucking coward!
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Actually you clueless dolt there are about 43 films based on Sherlock Holmes including the "Great Mouse Detective" by Disney. Holy fuck what a wanker!
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Name a Sherlock Homes story you have supposedly read... give me the gist of the story... when it took place... when it was published and when it occured chronologically in Holmes life... you fucking pinhead!
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You are the slowest fuck on the planet... how do you look in the mirror every morning?
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Anyone elese want to step up to the plate? or are all of you wankers as well? Once you elimnate the impossible whatever remains, however improbable, is the truth; i.e. Stabby is a wanker.
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with you. I'm sure you know more about Holmes than I do. But, to make my point I will use as an example something I am a knowledgeable fanboy about: I have read every single Ian Fleming James Bond novel and short story and have seen every single film as well. And the James Bond films are just as valid as the novels. I am not rationalizing. This is my opinion. We are talking about to different forms of text and both are valid. If anything film is more of a valid media than the written word in our time. And there are many academics who agree with this point of view. You are certainly entitled to disagree. But, my opinion is just as valid as yours.
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since all they really are are just short films, douchebag or whatever the British term for douchebag is?
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What we think should matter, yes. But it only matter to each other, for ourselves and for friends and enemies in here. But for the people who make the movies, we are not that important in any other capacity then just a statistical figure. Say, Jar Jar Abrams and Bob Orci decided that brining back Khan for their next movie might be a good way to develop the next movie and be it's villain. but they need to test the idea. They call AICN and ask a favour: will you guys post a news about Khan MIGHT be the next villain of our Star Trek 2? AICN posts the news, and then they watch our reactions. Our reactions is their testing the waters, to see if it's warm or cold. You think both Abrams and Orci willc are for the plot points that the geek offers them? No, they don't care. they have their own story worked out. All they care is, shall we go with Khan or not? If the majority of the geeks' response is yes, then they reckon Khan has legs and a good idea to put in the next movie. Reactions is negativ,eand they might backtrack. But listen to the ideas the geeks through out? Not at all.Frankly, it's very easy to figure out which news talkbacks are the oens that are used to test reactions and the ones which are genuine news. And so far, all the talkbacks about Jar Jar Abrams's STINO are about testing waters with the public. Both AICN and Abrams stand to win with that, AICN gets exclusives,a dn Abrams gets to make pre-previews and audience reactions even before shooting or releasing the movies.do studios respect us? No, not really. Some filmmakers do. Some even love us, some are even like us. But from the point of view of a studio, we are guinea-pigs.
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I have read your posts and i have to say, i share many of your opinions. Very good posts, friend, very good read. I don't know if you are new in here, or merely an ocasional poster, but i say, you should post more. Good job, friend. And the more people in here who are fans of the Jeremy Brett's Granada TV Sherlock Holmes show, the better. If anything, you might make people more curious to check out that outstanding series, like our friend rogueleader66. Good job.
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hollywood. it doesnt work in football. most of the message boards on football sites are full off worse things then you would read here.
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As somebody who read the Sherlock Holmes printed stories and watched some of the movies and admired immensely the Granada Tv series with Jeremy Brett, i can't help but find your enthusaism for the upcoming movie a bit puzzling. Mem, whenever is ee this movie's trailers, i see little to nothing that would make me figure out this is a Sherlock Holmes story, other then that's the title and they shove it to our faces as if it's the titles of a Michael Bay movie. Frankly, the vibe i'm getting from this movie is a Sherlock holmes via Michael Bay. That does not make me an happy camper. TRhat you, who claim to be such a devoted fan of sehrlock holmes and yet tou find this movie enthralling and enticing is something i have difficulty understanding. It's quite unexpected, truly.
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you will see sex in the city 2 as one of the oscar faves for best pictures. fox will slap a demand it banner on the website.
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When i see people who claim to be old trekkies sing praises for STINO and people who claim to be hardcore Sherlock holmes fans and have very high expectations and optimism for SHINO, i wonder if either there's things i cannot see and are going pass by me, or i just stepped out of time. To quote from Hamlet, i feel that time is out of joint for me.
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Thank goodness i'm not a football fan, then.
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But Hollywood is controlling us very well. This year proved it.
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something british. they did the same to cracker. they dont get iconic british characters. they use a chucnk of change to buy something british. then they americanize it. it will never work. same will happen to dangermouse. mark my words.
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Dilbynuggets is a fanboy twat. I'm glad you think this movie looks like crap too. Kind of makes his Holmes cred suspect, doesn't it.
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At least they got a British director and a British actor for the lead.... Wait?!
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Thanks for the kind words. Glad to meet your acquaintance. I've actually been a long time AICN TBer--back to '97 or so I think. It's been a while since I've been active, however (some half a year I believe).Just imagine the LOTR films with Ritchie as the filmmaker. I keep imagining a comely, female Gollum (need a romantic interest/love triangle angle for cinema) rolling his eyes at Sam and Frodo's playful banter back and forth, groaning, "Nasty little hobbitses have been flirting like that for hours, my Precious. Yes, they has."OTOH, I'd kind of like to see Ritchie's Frodo and Sam on the side of Mt Doom:FRODO: I'm glad to be with you Samwise Gamgee. Here at the end of all things.(SAM punches Frodo in the nose. FRODO recoils in wounded amazement as SAM smirks in satisfaction.)
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I don't want to go on a flame war against Dilbynuggets (have too many of them them already), but yes, i agree with you. It's strange indeed.
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The thing is, most of the time i'm an appologist for Guy ritchie. I even liked Revolver and admired it's take no prisioners attitude. But the man is just wrong for a Sherlock Holmes movie. He doesn't fit. Would you hire Quentin Tarantino to do a Jane Austen movie adaptation? Same thing here with Ritchie. Most of the time i9 defend the dude, but not this time. Not this time. Nor for this movie. This movie is wrong, just wrong. And it pains me, pains me to see Robert Downey Jr in this, pains to see Jude Law who actually looks like a great choice for Watson, being wasted both in here. and what the fuck is that shit of Holmes being kicked in the balls by a feisty stripper? And all those explosions? and that rip off shot from Leathal Weaponm when both holmes and Watson shoot their pistols side by side? It's all so desperate! They might as well have a big neon saying "KIDS, WE BEG YOU, WATCH THIS". i wonder what the tagline for this movie will be. "This is your your daddy's Sherlock Holmes"? Give me a break!If this movie did one good thing for me, is to fill me with the urge to rewatch the Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes show. I might even buy the DVDs. That would be money well spent. On this movie? Not so sure! I'm seriously contemplating not watching it, truly.
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I totally agree with BurnHollywood on that. Good comparison.
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Watchmen's only flaw was that its characters were boring as hell.
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Nov 05, 2009 3:41:18 PM CST
lol,,you dumb shitheads are arguing over Girl from Ipanema
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Wow...could either of you be bigger douche virgins...If I overheard that conversation in a bar I'd knock you both out and set the place on fire...losers...hahahhaah
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The new Trek movie is a perfect example. I grew up with Trek,I LOVE Trek. Was the new movie MY version of Trek? Hell no-but it was enjoyable. I'll be buying the DVD...I'll watch it in the future...just like I do Wrath of Khan,Search for Spock and First Contact(which is in my DVD player as I type this). Same with Holmes...this character has been around since before all of us were born...there have been dozens of different versions. I just dont get the "IT HAS TO BE DARK AND GRITTY AND EXACTLY WHAT I LIKE OR ITS CRAP!!!!!!" mentality.
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I unleash Asimov_Lives on your ass. Good luck!
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Asimov_Lives is the other fellow.
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I thought this was the Sherlock Holmes talkback.
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Dark Knight did, but can you name any other "dark and gritty" movie other than ESB?
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Film (at least) Part of it near Almada, calling it 'Time of the Goat People' or 'Dawn of the CabraZoids', their leader being one foaming at the mouth Abra Cabra who's got this rather oddly complete collection of DS9 memorabilia and Checkhov Beatle wigs lying about. Not sure how they'll work in the sheep angle- -
That was pathetic.
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1)Do not allow through inaction or action any chance of being a complete wanker and a cunt to pass by. 2)Do not allow anyone other cunts through action or inaction to be wankers and cunts pass by unless this conflicts with the first law. 3)Do not allow Stabby, who is a complete cunt, through action or inaction to be less of a wanker and cunt than yourself unless this conflicts with the first or second law.
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You know that you make your supposed devotion to all things Sherlock Holmes look suspicious with that attitude, you know?
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AsimovLives is pathetic and a wanker and he missed being a cunt by half an inch... he's actually an arsehole.
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"Holmes took his bottle from the mantelpiece, and his hypodermic syringe from its neat morocco case. With his long, white nervous fingers he adjusted the delicate needle...", from what work of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is this from Cunts and Wankers?
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You are all bunch of pathetic shitheels
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we're all so brave and wanky when there is no one around to call attention to the general inepitude and low intelligence we posess, but if somone of superior intellect challenges us we run off with our tail between our legs, whining, "Please don't hurt us", whimper whimper.
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I hope it's expensive.
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read books? Come now.
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the wretched fucks are speechless, rendered mute by someone he actually speaks english clearly with venom. What a useless waste of DNA they are. To paraphrase, "There is too much chlorine in that gene pool".
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It took you over 14 minutes to post your answer which shows that you are stupid, but able to use a search engine.
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Who were the Baker Street irregulars?
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Irene Adler's only appearance was in what story?
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What was Holmes' brother's name and to which club did he belong?
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Who was the crooked man?
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Name the actual person who was the inspiration for Sherlock.
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I can post questions faster than you can respond.... you are all oficially cunts and wankers... and perhaps arseholes as well.
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What was the red-headed league?
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Asi and Stabby, sitting in a tree, F-U-C-K I-N-G, first comes love, then comes anal sex, oh no Stabby's rectum is wrecked!
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except you are all cunts, wankers and arseholes!!!
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I'm completely suprised that you morons can actually type, and compose your ill conceived thoughts on this site. With the level of genius here, I thought you would all be off drooling in the corner somewhere.
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Well not that much is to be expected of the colonies. That's why Britain is Great.You are all seeded from the one true Empire, mere shadows of us.
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Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, India, the US of A, and well really .... come to think of it... the whole world. You'd all being wiping your arse with your naked hand if it were not for the United Kingdom training you in the art of civilization.
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That being said I still think Robert Downey is an inspired choice for Holmes, offbeat, eccentric but brilliant, as is his acting ability.
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because I'm him.
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Were the Bourne movies really dark? Those were action films. Alien and Aliens were dark, but had happy endings for the main characters. Halloween, and most of the movies you mentioned are HORROR movies. Of course those are going to be dark.
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etc, were huge flops.
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for pointing out the fallicies and weakness of Asimov_lives so called observation about Dark Movies. What a line of shit he spews. Thank you!
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I want my portrayal of Holmes to bring more people to appreciate the character, which is why I accepted and embraced Guy's direction and approach.
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c'mon people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together and love one another, right NOW!!!!
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AsimovLives is going to go around to all the stores when the Trek DVD comes out in a few weeks so we can't buy any.
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I will be buying the Trek movie on DVD. I loved that movie. Sorry if I loved that movie, I can't be an obnoxious I fucking hate everthing bastard like so many on this site. I also can't wait for the final season of LOST!
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What movies did I not like.... Wild Wild West, The Story of Us, Spiderman 3, Star Wars prequels (although the effects were pretty killer and I watch them if they come on the movie channel and I'm bored)Romy and Michele's High School Reunion, (fuck me, my girlfriend dragged me to that piece of shit)
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Sherlock will rock and eat up the box office. Come and beg my forgivness in the new year.
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I'm not sure if I have a bad attitude or most movies now being churned out by Hollywood truly suck ass. It looks o.k. but I was thinking the same thing as another talkbacker, "trying too hard." I wasn't a fan of the Pirates films so ya, I'm not going to like a wanna-be that doesn't have pirates and has a bunch of actors trying and failing to act like Johny Depp. Between this trailer and the crappy Prince of Persia trailer I have a newfound acceptance of Avatar's shortcomings.
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Thinking about Avatar's storyline/theme. *shudder*
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Spazatronik2000 is a whiny fucked up imbecilic cunt who licks arseholes for the joy of it. What a fetid piece of dingo turd he is. His stench is putrid and reeks of vaginal warts from his girl friends orifice.
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I respect you as a person
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why don't you like this movie.... you haven't seen anything yet... you are all a buch of spoiled bullshit brats. Your mantra: Bitch and moan about movies, Bitch and moan about movies, Bitch and moan about movies, Bitch and moan about movies, Bitch and moan about movies, Bitch and moan about movies, Bitch and moan about movies, Bitch and moan about movies. For fucks sake grow up, get a life, or enjoy it you negative cocksuckers. There are you glad.... I had to call you cocksuckers, this is all your fault.
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you all suck cock... you bad naughty fucked up wankers.
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you suck my cock but you have trouble fitting it in, yet you acknowledge me as your superior because my "Willy" is so much larger and awe inspiring than your.
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How many steps is it from Baker street to the door of Holmes' apartment at 221B. Anyone with a brain is welcome to respond. Otherwise your silence is confirmation of your ignorance. Cheers,
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I agree 100 percent. I just reserved my Trek DVD yesterday. I can't stand some of the shit people always praise at this site either, but I still come here. It's like crack.
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Where is Watson wounded by Jeezabel bullet that he obtained in India... ooooooo watch out it is a trick question!
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but what is the problem, call me names, insult my masculinity, make me write bad checks, challenge me on an intellectual level.... do something for fuck's sake! lockesbrokenleg is right, I come here because I am addicted to the shit and abuse you constantly spew at each other. But if I challenge you; you all clam up and whiter away into the woodwork. You are cowards....please respond.
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Are you all incable of coherent thought, can you type faster than 2 words an hour... where the fuck are the men or the women who can battle and challenge on this site? Answer: they are all fucking mentally challenged children, unable to compete on an intellectual level. I said it before and I will say it again; You are pathetic.
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see you Holmesian neophytes... I'm going now....GOODBYE!
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Hardly. it was considered a box office success. In 1987 it made $54 million domestic with a budget of $8 million (making back a little less than 7 times its budget), in today's dollars that is about $96 million, not a blockbuster, but far from a flop. Get your facts right before making a bold statement like that.
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Bow down before your Queen and tickle her arse with your big English honker before you kiss it while you give Prince Harry and Prince Willy handjobs, you silly English twat.
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No search engine needed. If it makes you feel any better, though, that is the only Sherlock Holmes book I've read. So have fun with that. (Damn, it's hard to credit for any genuinely held bit of useless trivia in the day of the Internet!)
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You're fun, though. No Council Estate Scumbag or Egg Salad, but you're fun.
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makes Nerd_Rage_Retard look like Denis Miller in comparison. And that guy took endless abuse, even though the Avatar talkback> this fagalicious talkback, and this movie looks like shit compared to Avatar as well. This shit looks like it was made by Stephen Sommers on a crack/meth binge, with an unlimitted budget, produced by Michael Bay, and written by George Lucas.
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It barely made it's money back. You're looking at the TOTAL cost including worldwide, etc. In the U.S. it was out for 2 days.
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Nov 06, 2009 1:11:23 AM CST
Did somebody just say that HOLMES will blow AVATAR away?
by motoko kusanagi
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.ROFLMAO
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Robocop's budget: $13 million. Robocop's domestic gross: $54 million. It quadrupled its budget, and then made another $24 million in rentals (this doesn't even include DVD sales).
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Not worldwide. Try using the internet. It's a useful tool.
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Anything else you'd like to make up, Locke?
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I could get all the answers to your questions in less then 5 minutes from Wikipedia.
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Are you talking about The Texas Chainsaw Massacre or The Texas Chain Saw Massacre?
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Most of the time, when people call others trolls, they are just overreactiing. But dilbynuggets tasks me.
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on Dilby possibly being a troll. He makes me wish I didn't like the latest Star Trek.
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I feel your pain, truly. Regardless of my opinion of STINO, if i was a fan of the movie and had somebody like him defending it also, i'd feel embaraced. imagine if some loudmouth fucker started bitching and insulting everybody and he claimed his favorite movie is 2001: A Space Oddyssey. I would murder the fucker for the sheer embaracement of such a fuckhead claiming to be a fan of one of my all top favorite movies. To spoil the image of the 2001 fans. So, i understand you, i really do. You have my sympathy.By the way, i re-watched STINO on DVd with the audio comentaries, just to give it another chance, but no, my opinion of it hasn't changed. I might even have a worst opinion of the filmmkaers, in fact. Many things that the fans of STINO assumed where deliberate and hommages of TOS are in fact accidents and coincidences, like Kirk eating an apple at the Kobiashi Maru scene. Most people assumed it was an hommage to WOK, when kirk eats an apple while he tells how he cheated. But according to Abrams, they never though of that, they made Kirk eat an apple in that scene to make him look like a punkass, to show off his disrespect for the test. It was enlightning, that comentary. and yes, all the time the movie seems like Sta rWars, it was a deliberate choice from the filmmakers, they can't help boast that in the comentary, from small details to action moments to the destruction of Vulcan. Also, yes, the Enterprise engine rooms was really filmed at a brewry, Budweiser's brewry. God, it all looks like a joke! In fact, that's the feeling one gets fromthe comentar,y they were all making that movie for a laugh and expose their SW geekiness. they cna't help boast how little they know and care for Ster Trek and how much a fan of Star Wars they are. Again, pretty enlightning.
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Two sequels and a TV show later, and the fact that people still talk about it 22 years after it was released, and Robocop can be mistaken for a flop? Got to be kidding me!
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Abrams has admitted as much. Although the screenplay certainly has enough references and winks to various things. Oddly enough, my favorite was the fate of "Admiral Archer's prized beagle." As for the Kobayashi Maru scene, I dig Kirk's cockiness there, whether the apple was intentional or not (even if a scene is good by accident, it's still a good scene). However, your opinion is certainly valid and you have presented it well and have actually backed it up with countless points, which I respect. I simply enjoyed the movie, though I'd never call it perfect. I personally rank it 4th, behind Kahn, First Contact, and Undiscovered Country. I know the "fun" excuse has been used to death, but goddamn it I really do find the movie fun, after repeated viewings. The plot is stupid in places (dumbass ice planet coincidence in particular), but it doesn't kill the movie for me because I liked the action and I liked the cast interaction. It's not intelligent sci-fi by any means (I go to 2001 or, more recently, Sunshine, for that sort of thing), but it does entertain me.
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Locke just makes shit up.
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will outdo Avatar at the b.o? Is this based on Ritchies stunning bo track record, yeah because we all know he has a proven track record compared to Cameron....oh wait, no he does nt...Seriously, all kidding aside, the simple fact that Avatar will be in 3D and on IMAX will mean more money (higher ticket prices), and 3D films have proven themselves to have legs at the bo with smaller second week drops. And holmes opens on Christmas day? How many people are going to go watch a film on Christmans day? And again, there is that track record...
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what mostly happens here, shit just gets made up or fact is denied if it does nt fit with someone's dogmatic belief.....
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Maybe I'm retarded, but that is the only scene this year to actually put a lump in my throat. The moment when he says, "Let's call him Jim" really does it for me. And then that bigass Star Trek logo when bombastic score... it's that kind of cinematic manipulation that I really miss in modern movies. Filmmakers are so obsessed lately with making things understated and as realistic as possible, I feel like we've lost a lot of the magic. For me, the opening of the movie really got my blood pumping.
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Guy Ritchie missed that boat.
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OK, this is just me talking, but i would had prefered that the death of Kirk Dad had been without the cheap Hospital Melodrama stuff. for me, resorting to such tricks kills the drama of the situation. I can't help but to feel i'm being manipulated. It's kirk dad sacrificing, it's the wifey and the to-be-born baby all in the same place, at the same time. Again, it's convinience. It's another moment when the movie's script pile up stuff on one scene so to create the most amount of emotional reaction. And i don't like that. It's manipulative as it's worst. I'd rather they had done it in a John milius way, as in, to see a warrior do his stuff, fully comited to the scene. They could had had a shot of him looking at a photo of his wife and kid, or they could had him do a captain's log and his last coments would be the his wife and child. A real John Milius warrior scene, no cheap snetimentality, but with real heart. It would had been TRULY MOVING. Who can't be moved by a good warrior laying down his life for the common good of people he doesn't even know? Need i remeind you the efforts of the military and paramilitary personal about 9/11 and Katrina? Doesn't the actions of those personal move you for their acts alone? Would i need to also see their wifeys and unborn kids being born at the same time they arte sacrificing their lives to pull an emotion on me? That's manipulation. cheap manipulation. It's cheap hospital soap opera melodrama. And maybe i'm a bit hard to please, but i really resent when filmmakers try to pull my strings with cheap easy melodrama.
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of this abomination. His diatribe that the British Empire taught the world how to be civilized is laughable. Just look at the Opium Wars where England went to war with China because China wanted to stop producing and exporting opium for moral reasons and England didn't want their fix to be cut off as but one example of the the British Empire's civilized behavior. And I won't even go into how they treated the Irish and Scottish and countless other countries they colonized. No, offense intended to my British friends, just this dumb twat.
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Like him, I simply enjoyed the movie, but I do not deny that it is far from perfect. But I can enjoy it despite its shortcomings. I pretty much agree with his entire post, and feel much the same way he does about the film. Not like the rabid fans who defend it to death and try to make it seem perfect, which it is not. Haters can be annoying, but guess what? Fans can be as well, it goes both ways. The difference is respect, haters and fans can disagree but still have respect for one another, it's the ones who disrespect and insult who are the assholes.
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Actually, most even-minded british feel a bit embaraced by their counties less then finest hours. It's only jingoist twats who ocver-compensate their own short-comings with this deranged dreamland notions of a perfect country that feel that way. all jingoism is just that, people overcompensationg their shortcomings with patriotic nonsense based on stuff that never existed in real life.Ask the dude who where the very well equiped people who first reached the south pole and who returned without losing anybody, if it was the british dudes or the norwegian dudes.
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I don't know what you have against Children of Men. But I can tell you it's infinitely better than District 9 and fucking Paranormal Activity. Lost sucks too by the way, "WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!!"
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The fact that the guy was incapable of having an intelligent discussion and instead immediately resorted to name calling and completely inappropriate patriotic jingoism (as if only a Brit could truly understand and appreciate Sherlock Holmes) just shows how civilized he really is, to say nothing of his country of origin. That's why my assumption that he may be connected to this film somehow, the way he reacted so emotionally. But, more likely he is just a typical maladjusted fanboy.
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Yesterday i listenend to the audio comentary of the STINO DVD, and i have to say, i now have an even poorer image of the people responsible for the movie. And don't take me the wrong way, i want to fight with this, it's just me chatting with you and our friend MattmanBegins. but there is one thing i don't understand about you two, and it's that notion that you still find the movie enjoyable even despiste it's numerous flaws, of which you are all too aware. i have seen movies being mercely bashed for lesser flaws, and for less numerous flaws then STINO has. But STINO gets such a free pass. That i do not understand. blame for everything, blame me for being less then corteous most of the time, nblame me for being needlessly rude and agressive, blame me for having too high standards, but you can't blame me for lack of consistency in this regard. And it's this feeling that makes me feel no less then puzzled about how people can go to such lenghts to be so forgiving about STINO. You know what i mean?Likewise, this extends to this movie (SHINO) and how, despiste all the writing in the wall (which brings no good tidings), there's people who are still so optimistic and hopeful. Where this feeling of complete optimism, this type of mind came from?I'm not going for a fight here, this is a genuine question, something i really want to know, and you two guys, rogueleader66 and MattmanBegins, are two of the finest gentleman i ever had the pleasure to chat with in here, and i think with you i can have a conversation about this matter without it degenerating into a flame war. Remember the opening narration from the movie Platoon when the Charlie Sheen says "Somebody once wrote that Hell is the impossibility of reason". Well, to me, that's the pure truth.
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Or maybe he's just like the football skinhead holigans, you know, the type of people that gives football fans a bad name.
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I am really curious about your thoughts on Jar Jar Abrams redoing Khan with his Trek. I noticed you were conspicously absent from that TalkBack. I understand if you do not wish to comment on the topic. There were a lot of people trolling for you in that TB, of course.
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I don't mind at all sharying my though with such fine gentlemen as you, rogueleader66 and Mattman Begins. If i get too longwinded, i appologise in advance.What i have to say about Jar Jar Abrams and Bob Orci bringing Kahn for their next STINO movie? I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know how to answer that.I'm remeined of what they did for Nero, which is a copy of Kahn in all but name. and how poorly they fared in that regard. Now, the fact they MIGHT be bringing Kahn back for their next movie in itself doesn't bother me at all. It's unimportant. i mean, take the case of Christopher Nolan and his decision to put The Joker as the villain of The Dark Knight. Should i had then bitched about it because the joker already had been in Tim Burton's first Batman and to bring back joker for TDK would be just a rehash? Well given the results, thank goodness that Nolan brough The Joker for TDK!If Chirstopher Nolan was in charge of the new Star Trek movies, and given what he did for The joker, i would say "i can't wait to see what he will do with Kahn". If Ronald D. Moore was in charge of the new Star Trek movies and given what he did with Admiral Cain and the Pegasus story, i would say "i can't wait to see what he will do with Kahn". But ti's Abrams and Orci bringing back Kahn, so really, what can i say?Well, i can say this: i fear they are not going the right route. And it has nothing to do wioth what i think of the merits or demerits of the fist movie. for good or ill, they defined their own universe for their own movies. And the real problem is not if they are bringing back Kahn, or Klingons, or Romulans, or Borgs, The Horta, or whatever or whoever populated the TOS. What really matters is if they are going for consistency. And i think they aren't.I think they aren't because of the whole onslaught of "Abram's STINO" news that constantly floods AICN. By now i have no doubts in my mind what is really happeneing. what is happening is that Abrams and Co. are using AICN and the geeks reactions to test the waters. Remember the delected scene talkback? It's clear that Abrams and Co are testing the vialbility of another DVD/Blu-ray edition, a director's cut edition. Theytested the fans's reaction to see if it's good business to do a director's cut and how well received it will be, and if there's profit oportunities with it. And the Kahn news is a similiar thing.Should I be naive to think that the news reporter who asked the "casual" question of a possibility of Kahn being in the next STINO was just an unexpected occurence? A random question thrown in the air? No, it was not. This is an atempt to see how well the idea of Kahn in the new STINO movie fits with the AICN geeks and fans. Abram's non-comital answer and Orci's later evasive postings atest to that, they havne't comited to the ide,a but they are thinkign about it. In fact, if i had to bet, i say they already wrote extensive outlines with Kahn for STINO 2. Adn they have wrioten extensive outlines for STINO 2 with klingons. and they are testing waters to see what will hit better. Kahn? Klingons? Both? Something different? An original thing?And this is what upsets me. This testing of waters. This is filmmaking by comité. I think that Abrams and Orci and all the others should evne bother to consider this. They just should comit with what they started. And they shouldn't even have second thoughs with their earlier decisions. Kahn or no Kah, go for it. Not testing waters to see "maybe we should/maybe we shouldn't" based on statistical results from the reactions from the AICN geeks. They just should do it, and damned what the geeks say or think. I mean, they already don't give a shit what the geeks actually think about teh subject other then a simple yes or no to the reuse of the classic villains. They don't want to know specifics. they don't want to know what we think they should do for the next movie. They just want a yes or no. And this is like people doing those phone pools to know if the new adidas shoes should have more blue or green. And this is not making am movie with conviction.Whatever they will do with thenext mvoie, they should do it with conviction. continue in the same spirit they started. They should be, above all else, CONSISTENT. If i or others like it or not it's beside the point. Consistency is the point. and so far, i see them just reaching. Should they be topical for the next movie? Should they bring a classic villain rebooted? Should they make an original vilain? Nonsense! It's reaching. It's bad.It's obvious that with STINO Abrams and Co. were trying to pull a Batman Begins. And they went for the surfaces and failed to understand the real deeper lessons. And with STINO 2, it's obvious that Abrams and Co. are trying top pull a The Dark Knight, the same way Transformers 2 tried. And i fear they are making the same mistakes that they did for STINO and pull a Transformers 2. And frankly, from my point of view, i can't care less withthe box office, but what the movie IS. And i ssupect that STINO2 will jsut be what STINO is, a bad repetition of a badly learned lesson made by people who are neither very talented nor very learned about the gig they got.
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I totally agree with you about moviemaking by committee. But, they should already know that this is not going to go over well with Trekkies. Which brings me to agreeing with you about them not caring what Trekkies think to begin with. Their goal has been to expand Star Trek to a mainstream audience by making it more like Star Wars. Everyone, whether you liked or disliked the 1st film agrees that Nero was a lame-assed villain. So, i see Abrams saying to himself, next time i need a good villain like Darth Vader. Well, I already tried to make up my own and that didn't work so now let me look at the history of Star Trek for the first time and see who is the baddest bad guy. That would be Khan. Now, he's not stupid, he knows that Khan at this point is kind of untouchable as far as true Trekkies go. But, I don't think he cares about Trekkies. I think he knows that Khan is a slam dunk at least with the mainstream audience he is targeting. Asi, you say that he should be consistent, yet you thought Star Trek was one of the worst movies ever. I take it that you have given up and have no hopes for Abrams to improve with the second film at all? My personal reasons for Khan being off limits is because Ricardo Montalban is irreplaceable to the role. Not so with Nicholson as the Joker. I don't envy any actor who has to fill his sandals. Also, the overacting that worked between Ricardo and Shatner has no place in the new Trek. This could be a disaster. Star Trek's greatest hits: Up next the Borg. You will be assimilated, Asimov. You already have, you just don't know it. Why did you really rent and rewatch Dawson's Trek? To give it a second chance? It's starting to grow on you, isn't it?
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but it looks like fun anyway.
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So, watch out. Just a friendly warning.
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The Granada TV show with Jeremy Brett was also fun, and didn't neeed to resort to dumbness and turn Sherlock Holmes into an action movie for that.
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It's just Abrams' brand of manipulation didn't work for you. For whatever reason, it did for me. I won't claim it's right or wrong, but it worked on me. However, I do love John Milius. Why the hell isn't that guy making a movie a year? Conan is one of my all time favorites. The ending of that movie, nearly completely silent, is just brilliant. They don't make 'em like that anymore.
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assholes that think Blade Runner is good.
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I guess I can be more forgiving because I like Star Trek so much, and for so many years I did not give a shit about it. I barely watched TNG, same with Voyager and DS9. Have not seen one episode of Enterprise. Insurrection was terrible, Nemesis was terrible. Nemesis was a next gen remake of Khan, and honestly I don't know who was worse that dude or Nero, but if i have to give an immediate answer I would have to say the Nemesis dude was worse, but not by much, Nero kinda appealed to me a bit more, and honestly I don't know why he just did. My point is that for many many years I have not given a rat's ass about Star Trek, I watched all 3 TOS seasons i cant tell you how many times, because that's all I had, well that and the first 6 movies, and First Contact (the ONLY good next gen movie and mostly because of the Borg). I guess what I am saying is that despite its flaws, this move made me care about Trek again. It was far from perfect and I hope that Abrams and co. correct the mistakes they made in the first film. Was it a lot like Star Wars? While I don't feel as strongly about it as others do, yea I feel like it had a Star Wars feel to it, faster paced, a bit more reliant on action sequences, but I don't go crazy making comparisons. The next question you might ask is...why? The fact is Trek needed a face lift, it needed a change. It needed to be made from a different perspective. When Trekkies (I refuse to say Trekker, it is so dumb) like me start to not give a shit about it anymore, that's not good, when you cannot even appeal to your hardcore audience anymore, it's time for a change. Ok so the change did not work for some people, and many people did not like the final result, fair enough. But it brought Trek to a new audience, many people who would normally say no to anything called Star Trek now like it. A long time friend of mine is a huge Trek fan, almost a purist, and he liked the new film as well. Like me, he recognizes its flaws but feels it is a good starting off point. Some other people I know, long time Trekkies as well, liked it very much as well. I do know some people who didn't like it all that much, but the general reaction I have seen is positive. I can be forgiving with this film because it made me care again.Now don't get me wrong, I expect the second film to be an improvement, better than the first and if that is not the case, well then were gonna have problems. But I hold out hope that lessons will be learned, and that the next film will concentrate on a good story because ST 2009 was basically a chase film that was used as kind of a backdrop for the re-introduction of the characters, and that's fine, I enjoyed what they did. But I do not expect a repeat of the first one, I expect a better story, a more classic Trek adventure, and I feel it can be done in this new Trek style, but striking a balance between the new and old elements wont be easy, but if they want to keep this going, they have to be able to please their new and old audience. Time will tell.Honestly, I can see why many would not like this film and I don't harbor any ill will to those, like yourself, who don't like it. I still do not, and probably never will, understand your burning hatred for it, honestly my friend I think the fact that you hate Abrams plays a small part in it, you may think it doesn't but you know it probably does. But I am getting off track here. I have been trying to think of a movie to throw your way, one that I feel insults it's roots more than you think this new Trek does, and I have found one.Superman IV. That fucking steaming pile of dogshit should be held up as an example of how to utterly destroy an iconic character. Everything about that movie sucked ass, and I mean EVERYTHING. Fuck, even the opening and closing credits sucked. You sometimes have cited the very few things you liked about ST 2009. Well I will do you one better, and tell you that there is absolutely NOTHING to like about Superman IV, nothing. Bad acting. Bad story. Bad effects. The worst and stupidest villain in the history of the world (Nuclear man? what utter shit). Luthor, what a waste , Gene Hackman must have been broke, and his idiotic nephew Lenny, Jon Cryer must shit himself when he sees what he did in that movie. Recycled ideas wasted (the "forget anything happened" kiss, worked in Superman II, just a stupid waste in IV). Did I mention the effects? OMG I know they were at a cheaper studio and has a way smaller budget, but fuck, a few shots you could see it was a FUCKING SUPERMAN TOY WITH A PLASTIC CAPE. Christopher Reeve, rest his soul, god why did he ever agree to that turd, He once admitted it was solely for the paycheck, and got it shows. Superman III was bad, but IV makes that one look like a fucking masterpiece. I could go on and on about this sack of shit they call a movie, but when it comes to bad movies, it DOES NOT get any worse that Superman IV. There was ZERO effort put into that movie and it shows in every single shitty stinking frame. Wow did I rant. I hope this sheds some light on my view of Trek for you my friend. I also hoped I showed you that while you may utterly despise this Trek, there is far worse shit out there, sadly.
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Nov 06, 2009 3:15:22 PM CST
People who call other people assholes for liking a movie
by rogueleader66
Are ignorant little fuckwads who are so pathetic to have a need to insult people they don't know for no reason at all. Opinions like people are all different. You may have not liked Blade Runner, and that's your right. But to call those of us who did like it assholes, just proves you as a ignorant bitter little dickhead. We shouldn't be mad at your insults we should feel sorry for you because you are so so pathetic. Especially if you think anything you say means a god damned thing to us. Have a nice day.
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But that's just an opinion. Robocop WAS a hit... that's a hard fact, backed by numbers.
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You're a sad shit that worships Bruce Campbell, aren't you?
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Let me guess, you thought Batman & Robin was a good movie didn't you. Maybe you need to get laid, that must be it, all that insulting shit you toss out, whacking off just doesn't do it anymore huh? Poor fella. This is all the time and effort I will be wasting on you, go get yourself a hooker if you can and loosen up pal.
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Nov 06, 2009 3:45:23 PM CST
It's great how Locke never actually addresses the issue
by mattmanbegins
He just retorts with some random insult.
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I know, quite a sad thing isn't it. You gotta have sympathy for the handicapped.
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Excelent post. Thank you.I think you got me onething confused. I don't hate Jar Jar Abrams and then go hate his movies. I hate the dude because he makes terrible movies. and because he is a tireless media attention grabbing whore who lies or exagerates about his achievements. Whose only reason he has a "recognizable" name is because his publicists worked 24 hours shifts so that we can't forget he's famous... for being famous.but mostly, it's because he's a terrible filmmaker. This guy is not those proverbial thieves who steal from the best. He's a magpie. He picsk up god stuff from good moviea nd uses them but without an understanding why things wroked in the original movie but might not work on the movie he's making.Listen to the audio comentary of his STINO movie. And now tyou will learn that all this talk about how his movie is a remake of Star Wars is no iddle talk. He and his filmmaker partners can't help point out where the movie is based on Star Wars, what character i a revision ofa Sw characte,r whweree they put an hommage to SW... and they say that PROUDLY. As if they expect everybody to pat them in the back and say "Jolly good show!"You know, i think it's a major fallacy to compare STINO with the latest TNG movie. Becasue STINO is based on TOS, and not TNG. The TNG comparison, specially to the last movie, Nenesis, i find it distasteful. It's easy pickings. But most importantly, STINO is based on TOS characters. It's with TOS that STINO should be compared. But that would be harder to sell the movie, so they go for the easy target, the UNAPPROPRIATED TARGET.You know which Star Trek died? Voyager died. Enterprise died. DS9 is now a distant memory. TNG still has love for it. But TOS is very well alive and well. The inrony being, it's the oldest show. But hat show never died. If people say Star Trek died and nobody cared, fine. But it's not true. There has been numrous DVD re-editions of TOS. Everybody knows most of the characters by name, even when they know little of the show. It's part of our culture. When the STINO people say they resurrected Star Trek, it reeks of arrogance and shrewdness. If this guys are so great and so good in ressurecting dead franchise, then why don't they go ressurect Voyager? It's too easy to "ressurect" the most beloved and still popular of all of the Star Trek series. Jar Jar Abrams and his writing slaves are no fools. They went for the easiest job. You know what, i could as easily be a great filmmaker doing the same stunts they pull. Well, i'm not fooled by this guy.In fac,t and going back to a previous point, i suspect the reason too many people are beng so forgiving about STINO and Jar Jar Abrams is that they love LOST. Abrams and his lastest movie is reapping kudos from that. Both are reaping the good will from Lost. a show which, to say that Abrams is the CREATOR is a complete abusive overstatment of his contribution, while criminally downgrading more important contributors from the other co-creators. Lost helps STINO, make no mistake about that.And then, there's the movie itself. All those flaws, all those poroly thoughout scenes and characterizations, the terrible dialogue, the indiecision of what it wants to be from scene to scene, the byzarre and weird aestetic choices, the unsympathetic characters.... I could be on this all night!So i'm not as eaily moved by cheat easy melodrama. You know what this makes me' a great audience. any movie which can moves me, means it has cut through the bullshit and delivers real drama. and this drama doesn't need to be wholesome drama like in The English Patient or The Remains Of The Day. Deosn't need to. All it needs is this honesty in that i'm not cheapply manipulated. Raiders Of The Lost Ark mannaged that. Close Encounter Of The 3rd Kind did. Jaws did. but this guy, the so-called New Spielberg, all he can do is pull the same melodramatic stunts he did on Felicity and Alias? Give me a break! To show the drama of Geroge Kirk's sacrifice, he needs to have him slob and cry because he could hear his baby being born? Pass the the bucket, i want to throw up! People have died of diabetics for lesser doses of sugary! and when the mvoie is not pumping the melodrama caramel, it's pumping the comedy cheese! There is enough cheese in this movie to make an entire heard of oxes die of colesterol.I'm a sorry if i don't enjoy a movie fueled with soap opera melodrama and coemdy cheese. I'm sorry if i find the atrept at cheap manipulation insulting. I really believe that even for blockbuster entertainment there should be standards. Where the bar should be on the high side, not on the low side. Not even in the name of fun things should be this dumb. Unexcusable. and that a dumb movie is made with the name of a once Sf seris which was known and loved for it's general intelligence, that's the final drop.Like you, STINO did help bring me an appreciation for TOS. But not for the same reasons it did for you. STINO reminded me HOW GOOD AND INTELLIGENT the TOS was. But that's the merits of TOS, not STINO. STINO from me gets no thanks.
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It's the truth.
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You really are full of yourself, aren't you?
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The last thign that John Milius was involved was the TV series, for which he was co-creator, co-producer and ghost-writer. And for my sins, the series was cut short. again, Rome, like Carnivale, proves that excelency most of the time is rewarded with indifference and rejection by the slackjaws. While bullshit endures. It's a crime that such a talent like Milius is not more openly used, that he is not directing again. and yes, his conan The Barbarian is magnificent. They really don't make them like that anymore. and i can't stress this enough, a new Trek movie would benefit with milius-like stuff in it. At least he really udnerstand the military and respect them, and that's one of the important point of Star Trek, the military not as gun-oh technophiliacs obnoxious action figures, but as human beings devoted to the highest values of humanity.And yes, Conan The Barbarian is excelent. They do not make them like this anymore, for our sins.
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As in, i actually have an opinion i can back up?
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Agreed on Blade Runner. Oh and BTW, I have never seen one single minute of Lost, never interested me at all. Nor have I seen one single episode of Alias. I love me some Jennifer Garner in skimpy outfits, but I just wasn't interested. So I am far from and Abrams supporter. Not that you think I am, just felt the need to clarify that.
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I hope not. I find him entertaining but you are correct in saying he borrows from other directors. Spielberg borrows from no one, and has his own distinct style.
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I've admitted I was trolling you. For me this is just fun. Also, my country of origin is not Britain or Scotland or Ireland or Wales. I was simply baiting you. Quite frankly I find most of you laughable; pontificating on the merits of various films, dialouge approaches, lens flares, casting choices. They are just movies, people; nothing more than that.
Oh and yes I realize that this is mainly a movie site but by and large the pus, bile, and shit that most of you spew is 90% negative. I simply turn it on it's ear and spew it back at you. After all you spew it at professionals in the film industry all the time. Call me a defender of those fine members of the Academy. Not all of you, but the majority deserve to have someone shit down your throat. -
When Locke actually contributes something other than insults,tripe and stupid bullshit let me know. I may be celebrating my 65th birthday (too soon?) by the time that happens,but let me know.
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I come on here for a little period of time and try to provoke a response, but many of you seem to have nothing better to do with your lives. You might want to get a job, check out the H1N1 situation, write your congressman on some cause you believe in, or raise money to feed the homless. You should be ashamed of how you waste your time... oh and go enjoy some entertainment at your local cinema when you are done dealing with real life.
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Actually, Spielberg borrows a lot. But check it out on whom he borrows: Frank Capra and David Lean. There's a difference, isn't there?
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Next tiem you buy a car and it breaks down two weeks after you drove it out of the stand, adn there's all problems and failures to it, just remmeber what you said of us the movie geeks and why we dare coment so much and dare to presume to know about movies, when we sohuld and should comply to our btter,s the filmmakers. Remmebr, nex time your car breaks down and you want to curse the idiots who amde it that bad, rememebr, you do not know nothing of making cars, so you should not criticise or have an opinion of it.God, i love the double standards people have when they talk about movies, specially to defend dumb shitty movies. "It's just a movie, it's dumb so what, accept it and eat it all up". BULLSHIT!
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I have a job.I have a girlfriend. I have children. How I choose to spend my free time is my own business. I don't know who you think you are telling people shit like get a job, but you know nothing about anyone on here. Your idea of fun is provoking responses in strangers by insulting them huh? Maybe instead of telling others what to do with their lives you need to look at yourself and ask why you have this sad need to anger and insult people you don't know. It's people like you who should be ashamed, and embarrassed for getting a kick out of doing what you do.
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Some people claimed that I must be involved in Sherlock Holmes... I am not; but, I do have business associates that were involved and still involved in the production of that film. I am not claiming, like JettL, to be involved in every major Hollywood project. Many people work very hard to make films and they do not do it to piss off fanboys; they do it because they love making movies. Sometimes things go awry in a production, a script you wrote get's changed by re-writes, or a well meaning but ill intentioned director, actor, etc. changes lines, scenes and character arcs. Editing is mangled, losing the story. Suits from studios want different directions, casting etc. But no one in the industry fucks up films on purpose. When you have a large group of humans working on one film sometimes shit and mistakes happen. If it were so very easy I would be watching all of your brilliant visions on the screen and applauding as you took home the Oscar.
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Yes, they're OPINIONS! They're not fact. Asshole.
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I doubt you have the brains to understand Lost, considering you think Blade Runner is good.
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I never mentioned a girlfriend or children in my message. I simply said it seems to me that many of the posters who are consistantly hard or negative seem to spend an inordinate amount of time on this site. What else are they doing? Are any of you working together to start your own production company, renting film equipment for an indie film, writing screenplays? Are you attending acting classes, directing your own low budget film or pitching your ideas, raising capital for your own project? Tell me what are you doing other than shitting over other people's work. It's easy to be a critic but it's hard to make a movie.
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I hear various individuals bitch and moan about CGI or other effects on movies here. Do you not think that various FX companies are not trying to put out the best product with the budget they HAVE. FX people are brilliant but when a studio only wants to spend X amount of dollars for the money shots... well your up shit creek without a paddle. They would all love that extra X amount of millions to make that final render perfect but it's not a perfect world and that applies to the Industry as well.
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INT. ORDERED AND CLEAN OFFICE
A Man dressed casually sits in front of the glowing screen of a laptop computer, holing a Vodka on ice in his hand.
Dilby: Well I guess that shut them up.
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Tall order for you to call other people assholes.
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But I like that Spielberg tends to shape his influences into his own style. Rather than just blatantly stealing.
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except I was one of the first people you jumped on and I did not say anything at that point negative about this film. All I said was that Sherlock Holmes films are as valid as the literature and you jumped all over me. I might add that Ritchie's Sherlock is a film and not a story by Sir Arthur. I think you owe me an apology. Oh and kudos to me for identifying a connection between you and this film. By the way, I do work in post production on an industrial level and write screenplays in my spare time, but then that is none of your business. Peace.
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I don't understand the inability of any of the MAJOR posters on this site to debate my claims in an intelligent and logical manner. What do you do to further your, claimed, LOVE of movies? Other than diatribes and mediocre critiques, you do not seem to be engaged in the craft in any other way.
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I apoplogize, bad day at the office and all that, but I do get a little in my cups and the end of the day, and as I explained earlier some of the shit and vitriol spouted here sets my back against the wall. Sorry and Cheers, and I am, I repeat not British, Scootish, Welsh or Irish, although I do have Scottish and English blood in my background as I suspect many of you do as well.
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Although Stabby says he is involved in the Industry and I am prepared to take him at his word.
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Curried Chicken Masalla with red peppers, onions, garlic, and pineapple chuncks, braised in coconut milk gently simmering on my stove to be served over raw baby spinach on a bed of short grain brown rice with a side of apple and currant chutney.
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the chicken pieces are thighs with the skin removed marinated in red thai curry sauce, salt and pepper, rice wine vinegar, and dijon mustard for 3 hours or so then pan seared and brasied in the rest of the curry mixings along with some chicken stock.
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I much prefer the above recipe with curried troll instead of chicken.
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First off, I don't "shit" on anyone's work, other than my rant on Superman IV, which if you saw the movie, was 100% deserved. Apart from that, I still want to know who the hell you think you are to tell anyone who PAYS to see a movie that we don't have a right to criticize. Making movies is not an easy process, anyone who is a movie buff knows this. That does not give film makers a free pass to shove shit down our throats. What are you saying? That we should have sympathy for the poor schmucks who make a bad movie? That it isn't their fault? That we should investigate why a movie was bad instead of criticizing it? We should feel bad when someone makes a bad movie. Bullshit. Fuck that.I can handle bad effects, or sub-par effects. Example: I loved I Am Legend despite the fact that the CGI monsters were not pretty bad. I can handle certain parts of a movie being bad, I can handle a bad performance in a film as long as the rest of the cast isn't bad or unless the performance is soooo bad it drags the whole film down with it Example:Rocky V, Stallone had no business putting his kid in that movie, he totally ruined it, the kid could not act his way out of a paper bag. But when a movie is all bad (like the aforementioned Superman IV) Yea, I have every god damned right in the world to rip it apart. When I pay my hard earned money to see a movie, and I am presented with one that is so terrible, so bad that you can clearly see no care at all was put into the production, damn right I will tear into it.So from your point of view, unless we are going to make movies, we should shut up an accept what we are given and stop criticizing? Are you seriously saying that? When movies start becoming free entertainment, I will stop criticizing them. Until that time, if I am expected to pay for them, then I have every right to say my opinion, and quite frankly, your opinion of me or anyone else who makes criticisms at movies means ZERO to me. Actors, directors, writers, studio heads, all get rich from the money I GIVE to see their films, so yes you're god damned right I have the right to criticize them.
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Wow, you really got me on that one, how long did it take you to come up with that response? Hmmm...33 minutes huh, gee that must have been a tough one for ya. It's ok, take a rest, you must be worn out from all the thought it took to come up with that. Run and tell mommy the big boys are picking on you now, hurry!
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I am simply saying a kinder gentler form of critiscism. Did anyone appreciate me personally attacking them and using phrases such as "mediocre reviews with uneducated twits spewing pus and bile", I don't think so. As for Superman IV, no I did not like it, and the film makers obviously lost their way. It recieves no sympathy from me as a piece of film. But phrases such as "shove shit down our throats" etc. are akin to my parody of calling everyone here "cunts and wankers". It does nothing to improve the relationship between fanboys and internet reviewers and people in the industry. And seriously, come on, have you seen some of the stuff written here. Personal attacks on Harry and his wife, or any reviewer who dares to like a movie. I would rather read something along the lines of "this movie was a great waste of time and talent and you will be wanting your time and money back if you manage to stick around till the credits" than "these stupid fucks shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a camera and this movie reeks of piss and shit". And the personal attacks between talkbackers is vile and a waste of time. I am simply fed up with coming here and seeing nothing but negative negative negative, so in a bad mood I chose to shove it back, to lamopoon it if you will. It hurts and it doesn't better any of us, myself as well and I am sorry for doing it but perhaps you can see my intention. I think more industry types would take the fans more seriously if they used another approach.
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Contrary to popular belief, the celts didn't existed only in the british islands.
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I didn't mention Celts, only the Scots and the Brits, The Celts or Kelts ranged far and wide over Europe.
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My background is Scottish and Northern English on my father's side and French and Native Iroquois on my mother's side.
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I think the movie industry deosn't know what to do with the fans. We are too few to merit making huge blockbusters, but we are too many to be completly ignored. so what is their solution so far? To use us as guinea pigs, to test their merchandise. But we are hardly preferential audiences. Evne the movies which had been specifially marketed to us, like Snake On a Plane, are badly though out and executed and miss the mark. Rare are the filmmakers who get this right.Are we over-critical with our opinions of movies? No more then the sports fans are with their treams or players.
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But this alone tells that i'm mixed. My people is one of the most mixed of the whole of europe. There is no "pure" portuguese", so to speak. Which is fine by me. The more mixed bloood i am, the merrier.
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I have no problem with profanities used in "undergound" reviews or mainstream ones for that matter, it is how the explecetive is used. Saying some action sequence will have you "hanging onto your cock and shitting bricks" is far more positive than "the FX shits in this film all deserve to be shot and pissed on". If a movie's fucked, ok, it's fucked but find a nicer way to say it, or what the hell, say it's fucked but stop at that. I don';t know I've been drinking now I'm talking in circles.
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Yeah snakes On a Plane was a dissapointment. But with all the buzz here and at other sites they thought it would be gold.
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Hey Asi "if we keep fucking each other we'll all be the same race eventually"
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The ;fans have to find some way for there will to be heard. The Justice League movie got scrapped. Mind you I am a complete comic geek from way back and it hurt me a little. I used to watch Super Friends and Legends of the Superheroes and yes... Shazam and Isis hour. I wanted to see some decent JLA movie but I think the fans and other factors stopped that one.
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the casting was bad for that... way off the chart, shit...
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maybe the fans, intelligent thoughtful reviewers need to band together and start another site, one that won't be swayed and sell out, bring pressure; find out from inside sources what is going on in the production of any given project, if the studios are fucking with the budget, become a voice for all, hold productions accountable, and be intelligent and straightforward in reviews, take the high road and do not appeal to the lowest common denominator. Bring a love for movies and it's craft, liason with industry professionals. God knows every public professional has to put on a brave face and proclaim their project "amazing" and "it will blow your minds", but behind closed doors and inside sources they may speak their minds. Call it moviecuntsandwankers.com or what the fuck ever, but make it about movies and their craft and push it to new heights. Or not, just continue checking out this sight and countless others like it. That's what I would like to see, but I'm going to eat now Cheers, Dilby
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Ok I see your point, but let me tell you, I don't and never will bash Harry or anyone here who reviews movies for this site. I never have, I never will, I respect the fact that these guys deliver these reviews for us. I may not agree with their opinions which is my right, but I will never personally attack reviewers for their views. I, like you, am so fed up with the flame was that happen in these talkbacks. They are stupid, immature, and add nothing to the site, they only succeed in driving me away. So while I may not have agreed with your approach, I see your point. You will excuse my tirade on Superman IV if you read it earlier in a post I made to Asimov. It just angers me that no care or effort went into that movie, especially after the first two were so well done. III was ok, not the worst but not good either. Anyways, cheers back to ya.
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Nov 06, 2009 8:31:13 PM CST
People that hate Lost are people that think Chuck is funny.
by lockesbrokenleg
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I just noticed you watched Super Friends and the Shazam/Isis hour Saturday mornings just as I did when I was a youngster. Ok, you're alright in my book now LOL. P.S. I try not to pay much attention to hype, so I kinda dug Snakes On A Plane, so sue me LOL.
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Nov 06, 2009 8:36:08 PM CST
People that hate Lost are people that think Chuck is funny.
by rogueleader66
Another well thought out post from our resident handicapped talkbacker. Wow took you over 3 hours to come up with that one, awww your head must hurt. Go lie down little boy, I'm sure mommy will get you some warm milk and rub your tiny noggin for you.
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"Oh zephyr winds that blow on high, lift me now so I can fly!" I remember going out into fields near me home town yelling "Shazam!" at the top of my lungs hoping for that mystical bolt.
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awhile since we spoke. How are things in New York?
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actually I started to get into trek again (I ve been a lapsed trekkie for some time) while I ve gone off Star Wars since Lucasfilm seems determined to only ever fill in the gaps between the films while never taking the Star Wars universe anywhere new. How is the clone wars cartoon, im wondering if I should give the season 1 boxset a go Rouge...
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ally liked the first trailer, but this trailer did the opposite of the Avatar trailer for me (which I thought was way better than the teaser). This trailer for Holmes shows a goofy/jokey tone that just seems so wrong, and for the forst time I am starting to wonder if RDJ (who I always enjoy in things and I liked how unconventional a choice he is) is miscast....
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gladly email it to you...
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Hey bro, all is good here hows things on the other side of the world?
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Clone Wars is actually pretty good. It got better IMO as the season progressed. They kill off characters which is a nice change from the typical good guys always live crap. The only thing that doesn't thrill me is when the stories focus on Obi-Wan and Anakin. Not the stories mind you which are decent. The problem is the lack of dramatic tension, because we know their fates so no matter what danger they are put in you know they will survive. I'd say give it a shot, it is not vintage SW, but it's decent SW, and enjoyable. This 2nd season has started pretty good so far.
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Sure it's kiddie, but the animation is fantastic. I bought the Season One DVD the other day.
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starting to get damn cold, but otherwise things are awsome. Thanks for the info re clone wars, I may have to give it a go, just worries me that as you say you knw everyone's fate. And that is exactly why I m getting sick of Lucasfilm only filling in the gaps, there is never any dramatic tension because we all already know what happens. It worries me that the planned live action series will have the same problem....
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excited by the possibility of a new epic sci-fi universe with Avatar (and the planned potential sequals if its successful) because it will be a story going forward where we wont always know the eventual fate of everyone and they can just do whatever the hell they please without worrying about a complex pre-established continuity.....
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racter in Star Wars has met or bumped into each other at some point? Is Lucas actually trying to ake the StarWars universe smaller? Will we find out that eventually everyone has met each other at some point?
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Why the fuck does that bother you so much? Back to the Future does the exact same damn thing yet no one complains about that. Hell, even your precious Dark Knight did it. Hell, Alfred encountered the Joker at a FUCKING party and got away without harm. Why do you bitch so much.
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Nov 07, 2009 2:06:08 AM CST
Hell, the new BSG series did it ALL the fucking time too
by lockesbrokenleg
EVERYONE crossed paths with everyone else, and in some cases "in head" characters even ran into each other.
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What in head characters interacted with each other in BSG?
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What in head characters interacted with each other in BSG?
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The In Head Six interacted with almost everyone. Even Adama. The In Head Baltar was also present in the same scenes as Boomer, Six, Baltar, etc.
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It's all Good! It's all God! We are all part of the same energy. It is not our fault we live in a dichotomy. Fight with each other; Fight with yourself!
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are you just plain damn stupid? How in the fuck can you compare something as small scale as Back to the future to something as epic in scope as Star Wars? You want to know why it bothers me? Can you read Lock? Or do you have English comprehension problems? I already stated that its because it makes the Star Wars universe seem small, but if you would like further elaboration, I also think its Lucas indulging in his thinking that each and every thing in Star Wars must now be over-explained and inter-connected. And it bothers me because I am a Star Wars fan and I dont like it thus I have the right to voice my dissent...hmmkay Lock?
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Nov 07, 2009 3:27:51 AM CST
HERE IS THE PROOF THAT SHERLOCK WILL BOMB!!!!!!!!
by standundermyumbrella
http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=chart_trailers
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I return to Star Trek because i watched the whole of TOS and not because of Jar Jar Abrams's latest atrocity.You know what you should do? You should rent the DVD and listen to the audio comentary by Abrams, Oric, Kurtzman and some other fellow. Listen to that, and then I dare you tell me that you still the same respect you had for him before. I dare anybody who will claim they will retain the same respect for Abrams and Co. after listening to their comentary. I dare people still claim that Abrams knew ST and how faithful he was and all that stuff people use to defend STINO. I dare people do that. And if i know that after listening to the audio comentary some people will still say "yeah, it proved how talented, how respectful, how enlightning Abrams was with ST and how much he loves it", then i'll know for sure i'm talking with a rabid fanatical mindless Abrams groupie.Anybody who came out listening to that audio comentary and does not lose some certainties that Abrams might not had been the best guy for this gig is not worth taking seriously. Really.
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was wehn Abrams and Orci congratulate themselves that they went nuanced for that scene when Pike berates Kirk for his lost youth and wild behavior, right after his ass-kicking by Buttcake. And i laughed. I really laughed. They call that shit nuanced? How more in the nose that scene could get? It's Pike LITERALLY exposing Kirk's character for the audience. They are saying, point blank, what kirk is, what he should do, bla blabla bla. and they then pontuate the scene with Pike giving Kirk a model toy of the USS Kelvin. And that's nuanced? That's what this asscvlowns consider nuanced? Small wonder the movie is so dumb and soap opera melodramatic, if this idiots call such a blunt and evident scene "nuanced". Really, i had to laugh! I really laughed. Best laugh of the week! Fucking asses!
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lockesbrokenleg lives in his own plane of existence. He lives in a paralel universe where all good movies are bad and al bad movies are good. Occasionaly, his universe intermixes with ours and that's when we get the oportunity to have his thoughs posted into this talkbacks. He really lives ina "Mirror, Mirror" universe where everything is reversed.
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Robert Downey Jr wouldn't had been miscasted as Sherlock Holmes if they had actually bothered to make a Sherlock Holmes movie and put the character onscreen. And that's the point really.
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are right about Lock, that dude just asks for all the shit he gets....anyway, you are right about RDJ, he would work great as Sherlock if that trailer felt like Sherlock Holmes. Would you like the script Asimov? So you can judge for yourself and see waht im talking about?
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I take your word, man. I believe you. And really, after enduring Jar Jar Abrams and Co. audio comentary for the STINO DVD, i already have my fill of dumb to last for a year. I'm already a lesser man from that experince, i don't want to risk sterilization by beign exposed to the dumb from the SHINO's script. I'm sure you understand. Thanks anyway.
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hoping this film is good, I would really like to be proven wrong though....
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Asimov..lol...
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What gives you that idea?
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So that i can nail the point that i detest the movie and the assclowns who made it because OF WHAT THEY DID. Which is the real point of all my diatribes.Listenint to the audio comentary for STINO's DVD is enlighting. Remember the scene of Lil' Kirk running away in a Corvette from the cop? Jar Jar Abrams himself is not sure if the cop is a fully armoured clothed human or a robot. The movie's own director doesn't know. Ladies and gentlemen, the director of the movie, Jar Jar Abrams. This clown is unbelievable!Remember the scene when Nero's shit gets destroyed? They dripped the sound and only used the score. Abrams says so that they can play on the pathos for the villain. Which in itself is hillarious, because if there is one consistent criticism of this movie, even among many who liked it, is how lame and uninteresting and what a non-entity the villain is. So much so, that even the people who defend this movie had to conjure up this notion that to justify Nero'snonsensixcal actions, they had to downgrade him to just a mindless psychopathic lumphead who seated on his ass at the same spot for 25 years wating for Spock to show up, instead of doing more productive things, because awll he cared as revenge and revenge and revenge because he's a psycho, blablabla bla bla bla bla. Bascially, they completly failed on the pathos stuff for the villain. and don'te ven come up with the delected scene bullshit, because it was cut out of the movie because Abrams, again inthe comentary, can't help boast that removing the klingon prision scene made the movie better (his words). He chosed it that way, and if it's not in the movie, it's not the story. There.So, they go for pathos for where there is no pathos whatsoever. This Abrams clown, i wonder if he acutally watched the movie when he was editing, or if he just let the editors completly directionsless and they just patched things up because the boss was out.And for the +pathos stuf,the composer composed this dramatic choral music (for the pathos stuff). Abrasm, in the comentary, tellshe asked the composer what the words sang by the choral were saying. And the composer said that the verses of the choir was a loist of the names of the pets he had.I'm going to let that sink in for a moment.The verses for the choir for the music for the climax of the movie is a list of the pets the composer had all his life.The verses for the choir for the music for the climax of the movie is a list of the pets the composer had all his life.I'm going to repeat this shit again:The verses for the choir for the music for the climax of the movie is a list of the pets the composer had all his life.What the fuck is this bullshit? I'm supposed to find this cute? No, i'm supposed to find this VERY FUCKING RETARDED! Did anybody who made this STINO movie ever took their job seriously? Who are this fratboys? This jokers? This assclowns? This people, who made a movie as if they were in a frat-party. The verses for teh choir of the music used in the climax of the movie is a list of his pets? Is this composer daft? Is he as stupid as Jar Jar Abrams? Is he even worst? How the fuck this idiot mannaged to actually composed a good score for The Incredibles? Could it be because he was outside of direct contact with Abrams, because he was breathing fresher air instead of the miaasma that surrounds Abrams, he actually catched a bit of actual talent, as if one catches a cold? He only does a good job if he's with a talented director like Brad Bird? But if he's with Abrams, he makes choir music with lirics based on his pet's names. And i'm supposed to have any respect for this shit?No, really, my friend, i beg you, give me a reason why i shouldn't be harsh to this movie and this assclowns. I beg you can give me a reason why i should go easier on them. One reason. please, anybody? Because on my own i can't think of a single one, and this fuckers are not making it easier on them.
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Remember how mostly the gag real is about actors fuckign up their lines and thus creating a comedy moment. Well, STINO's gag real is original. In that half of it's running timeis dedicated to see Jar Jar Abrams goofing around on the set using his onset microphone as a boom-box. HALF THE RUNIING TIME OF THE GAG REEL IS ABOUT JAR JAR BRAMS. Tell me how many gag reels you find in all the DVDs you ahve which are dedicate,d half it's running time, to the director. Tell me how many. How many?Why do we know the name of Jar Jar Abrams? Becasue that clown is a tireless self-promoting bitch. He is the Paris Hilton of directors, he is famous because he made himself famous. what a fucking ass!! And i though Michael Bay was bad in that department! He's a fucking amateur compared to Abrams.What a detestable motherfucker that Jar Jar Abrams is.
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It's perfectably understandable that Guy ritchie is courting the mainstream and wants to make a blockbuster. Many other directors before him who usually made more indie-style movies went to make blockbusters to gain more exposure and to be able to play with bigger toys, and also inthe chance that with a bit of a fat commercial sucess on thei belt they might make that more expensive personal profject they always wanted to make. It's perfectably reasonable. most of the major directors has that story to tell. But, of all things that Gyuy Ritchie could had done to get his mainstream chance, why Sherlock Holmes? Why a dumbed down action version of Sherlock Holmes? Why that? Isn't there some comic book that has not been adapted yet or some classic from 20 years for a remake that could do the trick? It had to be Sherlock Holmes? Really? Really!!
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did nt like it, for me it was just fun and fast paced.I also felt the cast was charismatic, and and the fx were good. I also liked the production design of the Narada and the Enterprise. As I have said before there is a lot of room for improvement and the film certainly had its weak points (dumb script, overuse of close ups during external space shots etc..). And I really hope that JJ does nt continue the Star Warsification of Trek. I love Star Wars, but it and Trek are two different animals imho...
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obviously Ritchie's attempt to make a blockbuster that will show the moneymen he can be trusted so that he can play with bigger toys. Nothing wrong with that as all directors have to earn what I call "fuck off/fuck you" clout (Cameron is a good example of someone who has a lot of this) so that they can make the films they really want to....But the question is will people acceppt a Pirates of the Carribean style approach to Sherlock Holmes?
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can Ritchie make a big action film that will appeal to the average filmgoer?
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I hated the design of the Narada. It's basic evil villain shipt design. It's like "how are we supposed to make the ship look evil? I know, let's give it spikes!!" Well, excuse me if i don't get impressed with such basic high school level of evil ship designing. In fac,t the Narada even resembles the "villain" of another horrid movie, it resembles the skipey asteroid from Armageddon. Which, least you forget, Jar Jar Abrams help writing it. also, it's so obvious that with the Narada they were pulling both a Star Wars Death Star, an enemy ship which vastly outsizes the good guys ship and whichhas an evil device that can destroy planet, mixed a bit with Empire Striokes Back/The Return of Jedi Superstardestroyer for good effect. Bhaaa!! I'm not that easily impressed, i'm afraid! Truly, there's nothing in the Narada i could say "yeah, that looks fuinctional". As in, yeah this piece, makes snse for a mining ship. All is see is EVIL FUCKING SHIP. None of the design even shows the least functionability in it. And even as a romulan ship, which they certainly has the most imaginative ship desing in Star trek, evne for those standards the Narada is a failure. There's nothing of the typical romulan bird motive we find evne in theior civilian ships. Again, the Narada was designed not to be a ROLULAN MINING SHIP, but to look like a EVIL FUCKING SHIP. And that's it. and i call that fucking ass! Lazy fucking ass! Again, another proof of the slack attitude this clowns had when they made their STINO movie.Another fun stuff form the audio comentary: Jar Jar Abrasm coments that they played with the idea of putting a reference to Botany Bay for the end credits animation at the end of the movie. Which means, they have been playing with theidea of Kahn for the sequel even when they were making the first STINO. Which means that all this bullshit of Abrams saying "no, we never gave Kahn too much though for a sequel, it's just a consideration it's all just dust thrown to the eyes bullshit. Of course they are considering Kahn for the sequel. Of course it's set. What prevents them from a full disclosure is because, since they are spiness hacks without convictions, they want to test the market to see if the Kahn idea would be well received or not. Because Jar Jar Abrams and his clown colaborators they make movies like Adidas makes shoes, though market testing.And you know, i think they should stick to what they did in the STINO 1 for STINO 2. no major dramatic changes, no chances in approach or mood. no changes. They already set up with their first universe. and if they set it up all wrong, it's their fault, they had enough time make it right. Christopher nolan got the first Batman movie right from the start. If Abrams couldn't that is his fault. He should strive for consistency, instead of making a second movie which would look so didffferent in mood and style to the first they couldn't even be sen as part of the same saga. In fac,t the very wost that Abrams and co. would do was to make a departure from the first STINO. That would prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they went to make the first movie comptely clueless adn are making stuff up and correcting stuff up as they are going, instad of really think things thouegh. again, if STINO2 would be an "improvement", that only proves again the failure that is STINO 1.There is just no way to look at STINO and se it for the stupid retarded failure that it is as a movie, no matter what angle one see it from. What a fucking movie!
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I think Ritchie can make a mass audiences movie. In fact, his style is pretty good for that. If he can reign in his most excessive stuff, it would be has easy as pie for himto make a mass audience blockbuster. And my reign his excesse,s i'm not even comenting on the camera/editing stylistics, because many mass audience blockbusters have those. no, i mena, his usual tendency to populate his movies with very unlikable but funny character. It's obvious that Ritchie loves charismatic and funnyman criminal types. One wonder if for his more maisntream movie he could restrain himself to have characters in his movies which wouldn't all look like unredemable bastards deserving of the death and mutilation they ususally get in a Guy Ritchie movie. The irony for guy ritchie as a blockbuster director would be not his stylistics, but his was he handles characters. so far, Ritchie rarely bothered with putting really likable characters in his movies, and he seems to take glee in that. Which, is one of the reasons i think he's so wrong for Sherlock Holmes. Holmes is already a remote character, and now, thanks to the evidence in the trailer, he's now a ruffian asshole too. Seems atson stillg ets to be a sympathetic character because Jude Law is just a naturally too nice guy screen presence to fuck it up.
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Can you and Ass Lives please start a "I hate new Trek movie" board so we don't have to read this shit anymore?
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I also noticed you never respond to what I said, but you just continued your worthless prattle. You are a douche, and you and Ass Lives need to start a forum called, "Why I hate everything".
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Did I already say that? When's Avatard come out again?
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Yeah!!!!! More!!!! hATE! Bile! Anger!
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As in carefree & merry? It looks cheerful and happy?What's Avatard?
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When is the new Star Trek DVD coming out? I have got to get one of those.
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is out on 16th November - in the UK. Don't know about anywhere else.
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Should be here then too. I can't wait. I saw it twice on the big screen. I hope it has lots of extras.
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It comes out on the 17th in the U.S.
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I'm assuming that you are a Issac Asimov fan. Do you know if there is any plan to bring any of the Foundatation series to the big screen?
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Next Tuesday it is mine! Great
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If the world isn't dead from the Swine flu, or an Asteroid doesn't hit the earth, or I don't get run over by a bus when I cross the street, I will be at the opening of Sherlock Holmes on Christmas Day.
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Not in shops yet. I was in HMV yesterday. There was a poster up saying 16th.
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That's the most unoriginal trailer in the last 2 weeks. In the first 15 seconds, RDJ jumping into the river Thames is identical to the shot of Depp's Sparrow jumping into the ocean to evade fire from British soldiers. The mimicry continues from there. Fuck this movie.
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have you ever seen any Errol Flynn movies from the thirties? 1930? Johnny Depp ripped that off from him. Wow you are very ill informed. You think there is anything new in film? It's all been done before.
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antly you are just really bad at understanding English. And you are a massive hypocrite aside from being a complete asshole. You trash numerous films in the talkbacks, but you always get your little panties in a twist when anyone has any criticism of either Star Trek or Star Wars, then you lay your "you hate everthing" card. This is a the last time im going to say this you dumb cunt....I like the new Trek (and will probably buy it on DVD), and I am a Star Wars fan (I own all the film DVDs for fucks sake). Its not my problem you are too stupid to see that me and Asimov simply agree to disagree about certain things. Tell me something you massive waste of oxygen....is it painful being the world's only living brain donor?
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all been done before
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There are plans to bring a movie adaptation of Foundation. And of all people, the director chosen is Roland Emmerich. Guess what i must be feeling about the subject.The STINO DVD arrives in two editions: single disk edition with just comentary, gag reel (half of it spent on Jar Jar Abrams goofing around) and one dumb promotion doc where Jar Jar Abrams tells how awesome his (lack of) ideas are. The second edition has two disks, and god only knows how many extras are there devoted to the deification of Jar Jar Abrams.
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It's one thing to make a pirates movie there there's a shot that looks like and hommages a 60 years old PIRATE movie. It's naother thing to make a movie about someother subject then romantic pirates and you have a shiot that's a copy of a movie which no more then 6 or 7 years old, if not less. Yeah, that's where hommage stops and rip-off begins. Sorry to spoil the fun at your happy expctations for SHINO, but really, i can't help notice the failures and the wrong. The same why when i saw the trailers for MOON, DISTRICT 9 and last eyar for TDK and i couldn't help notice the good stuff.
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so call people who dislike dumb shitty movies as "haters" and people who can only do is "hate". That's hysterical. Absolutly hysterical. This is how people justify their love for dumb shit? to cal those who don't as "haters"? What should i call one of the Dumb Levers then? SHEEP?
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Ive just been away in the countryside with my girlfriend visiting some of her friends.
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My week has been pretty surreal at work. to quote from ol' Shakespeare, it's as if time is out of joint. Things are just bugnuts.I heard the countryside in Korea is gorgeaus. I know a couple who was there in the Football Mundial, and they loved it. So, how are your girlfriend's family, Are they easy on the fact their daughter dates a "white devil"?
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And again you just babble on without any point. You're a worthless talkbacker. Go back to the 90s.
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There I said it... I'll admit it, but will you? I realize my failures of personality, intelligence, and weight problems, but do you? Well... you got to ask yourselves one question punks... do you feel lucky, well do you?
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that's it, that's how we should clasify ourselves because of gender. Aint that fucking great? Back to the victorian era. Fuck that shit!
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