Movie News

Oh No They Khant!! Oh, Yes They Khan!! But, Will They??

Published at: Nov. 3, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST by merrick

Merrick here...
In an interview with MTV, J.J. Abrams talks about what's happening with the STAR TREK movie sequel. The question of whether Khan would be in it came up:
Khan would be...certainly...a challenge. [EDIT] Here's an embed offering the full version of the paraphrased quote above, which originates HERE .
My first reaction to this is that...as wonderful a character as Khan was in "Space Seed" and THE WRATH OF KHAN...we've never really seen his army of genetically engineered supermen actually behave like an army of genetically engineered supermen. What does that look like? How wicked would a whole slew of those assholes be...in action...when led by Khan the warlord? That I wouldn't mind seeing, and could make pretty awesome foils for the new cast. Abrams first TREK hits DVD and Blu-Ray in a few weeks, and can be preordered HERE.

Readers Talkback

comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    If they can get Chris Pine to yell "Khan" like he's having a str

    by santoanderson

    I'm in.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    like he's having a *stroke*

    by santoanderson

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    If they can get

    by guido505

    Someone like Javier Bardem as Khan...that would be cool. I think he could pull off a pretty bad ass Khan.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Khaaaaaaaaaaan!

    by Madcapper

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I liked Khan's army of 1980's hairdressing models....

    by Bobman46

    ....they were either that or extras from the "Wildboys" video.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    They should get Jake Gylenhaal to play him

    by chrth

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I would honestly want them to have their own adventures

    by terry1978

    If they incorporate things like Tribbles or whatever as slight passing gags or subplots, it could be hilarious and a nice homage, but don't pull a Singer and just remake the old movie.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Oh fuck this!

    by Davidhessstation

    You got to be kidding me? These producers/writers/directors can't come up with an original Star Trek idea, they basically have to remake another film or use characters already originally created in past films? It was bad enough that people liked that new garbage Star Trek and it's lame time travel storyline (they've only done that a bunch of times in both series and films). How about in the third film someone calls Sulu tiny and he looks right at the camera and says, "Don't call me Tiny." and winks.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Please, Rehash Away

    by Aquatarkusman

    Orci/Kurtzmann's original stories are shit.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    by J-Dizzle

    Stay the fuck away from Khan! Its too soon to bring him in.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Make him off-limits

    by enderandrew

    Nemesis was basically a retelling of Khan, and everyone hated it for it (though I don't think it is terribly by any means).<p>Tell new stories, or go home.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I have a bad feeling about this...

    by Rakafraker

    Wait a minute, that was Star WARS.<p>I had too high of expectations for JJ's Trek, but found that it fell flat. Was it fun? Yes! Was it Star Trek? No.<p>JJ is gonna have to pull a "Wrath of Khan" to make me believe he's the right guy for the job, but that doesn't mean hacking out a remake of WoK.<p>Good God I hope that JJ and co. pull off an "Empire Strikes Back" with this franchise. Please don't let it devolve like Transformers 2 did. (boborci PLEASE!!!)

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    cameo at the end

    by shutupfanboy

    The more I read, the more a full blown Klingon War is going to be the main story for at least the second. I can see them getting a distress signal from the Bounty Bay at the end and we are shown a frozen Khan to tease part three.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    No Khan

    by IAmLegolas

    You just made a wonderful set-up for some new adventures in your alternate Star Trek universe, why muck it up with "best of" the original series characters? It's just going to come off like an episode of FAMILY GUY. Grow some balls, gain some confidence in creating something your own, god knows we need something new these days at the theater.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Kal Penn has already been cast as Khan

    by BoRock_A_Boomer

    It will be reunion of sorts with john Cho

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    No more time travel. Whatever you do will be great

    by Foodyssey

    but no more time travel, it's been done to death

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Lets count the posts Bitching about this remake they say they wo

    by Geomancer21

    I saw two so far.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Shia LaBeouf as Khan's jock strap

    by Dr Gregory House

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Merrick, why don't you call this post what it really is?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Bait.<P>You know, for AsimovLives.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    they say they won't do....

    by Geomancer21

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Here's the problem

    by ahdvd

    The Khan of the episode is a different Khan than that of the movie, in the series he's just a dictator, bent on taking command, Kirk is just an obstacle, the thing that made him an even better villain in TWOK is that he absolutely HATED Kirk and blmed him for the death of his wife, he's almost insane, Kirk is the Moby to his Ahab, his wife being the only thing stopping him from going mad and having those feelings gnaw away at him for years - there's no way that the character of Khan could be believable going through that much of a change in so short a time that it could be contained in a movie, the best they can hope for is to introduce the Khan character within the next movie, hope the franchise continues for another couple of movies, and then bring him back as the main antagonist, otherwise the Khan of JJ's universe will pale in comparison to the original.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    NEVER ENDING STAR TREK NEWS

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    I love how they keep finding new ways to have Star Trek in the "news". <P> Make sure you never forget about Arab's Star Trek.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Not Trek...

    by Mr.FTW

    I see that line pop up as a disclaimer from people all the time. How exactly was the new Star Trek "not Trek"? Was it because it had an engaging story, or wasw it because it had good production values, was it becasue it was fun, or was it simply because it was embraced by a wide audience?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I hope not!

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Some original ideas please. Also we have seen Khan's super soldiers, there was a three episode arc in Enterprise, Brent spiner was in it!!!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    umm, youknow, umm I dunno

    by luke_lymon

    While Khan would be great, the way they played Nero, I am afraid they will need to go a long way to present us with a true, fearsome Khan. BTW, if they do decide to do something with Harry Mudd, the person I think would be best is Greg Grunberg. His MacDonald's commercial convinced me...Get With the Game!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Michael Richards for Kahn, or...

    by KonkBob

    Jim from Taxi.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I thought JJ wasn't a fan and didn't know shit about Trek

    by _Palmer_Eldritch

    Why, then, is Khan "the obvious choice"?? I doubt he has seen Space Seed. Guys, you've gone and set up this universe, now do something fucking original with it. <p> And this time around, you might want to invest a dime or two to get an actual script instead of a bunch of lens flares and cheap-ass slapstick.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Khan is not going to be in the sequel

    by JettL93

    We are almost 90 percent done the story outline and about to finish writing the script, and i can veryfy that Khan does not make an appearance and at this point even if JJ decided to add him in, it would either be a short cameo or he'd have us rewrite the entire story and script. and with preproduction and production looming, i can't see that happening.<P>besides everyone is happy with what we are going with for the sequel, This is not a reboot or a remake or anything like the first one, it's it's own franchise now, we are finally getting to use the klingon's as the baddies, if you loved the first film, wait until you see what we have in store the second time around, you're going to see the klingons like you never have before

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    NO. NO. NO. NO!

    by photoboy

    You stay away from Khan, Abrams. He's too important a character for you and Kurtzman and Orci to fuck around with. They fucked up Optimus Prime, you fucked up Kirk. It's not hard to see that together you will also fuck up Khan.<br><br> What next, the Borg in Kirk's time?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Wilmer Valderama is Kahn!

    by AzulTool

    You know it's going to happen....

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    IF you recast Khan, cast Nester Carbonell

    by Retlaw Kciuq

    I really need to get paid for these REAL CASTING DECISIONS.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I WANNA DONKEY PUNCH SOMEONE

    by MY_WIENER_JERKS_OFF_ITSELF

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I hate geeks who only want to see shit they've already seen.

    by 3 Bag Enema

    If J.J. falls back on Khan, he can boldy go fuck himself.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives meltdown in 3, 2, 1...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Should be fun.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    THIS IS A FUCKING TRAVESTY

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Seriously, any film fan that appreciates the works of Kurtzman, Orci and Abrams is off his rocker. Utter, utter shit. <p> Name me one memorable line of dialogue from this years Star Trek film. Please.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Greetings and Salutations

    by marcspector

    They should use Trelane, the 17th century foppish dandy God who was actually a baby Muppet. Hip-hip-hoorah and tallyho!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Mr.FTW

    by kwisatzhaderach

    How did the new Trek have an engaging story? <p> The other films didn't have good production values? At least they didn't shoot their engine room in a factory.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Set Up Kahn

    by FreeBeer

    Like Two Face. Have him become friends with Kirk in the next movie. Then in the third he can be the big bad. Instead of Kahn being furious at Kirk for killing his wife, have Kirk furious at Kahn for betraying him, perhaps killing somebody close to him, a lov interest set up in the next flick maybe.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Star Trek film: memorable line of dialogue!

    by Sequitur

    The scene where Spock turns to Kirk and says "kwisatzhaderach is a real, fanboy douche!"

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Army of supermen?

    by Anything But Tangerines

    is Bela Lugosi in on this?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Bring Back V'Ger!

    by Acquanetta

    It's too bad this kind of mentality wasn't employed back in the early 80s. Who knows what kind of cool prequels we could've gotten? Think about it. We never really got to see V'Ger being built and sent out into space. What would that look like? It would be cool to get to meet the team of scientists that worked on the project and understand what they had hoped to achieve. Maybe get a glimpse into their personal lives and how their passion for the unknown urged them on tirelessly. Now THAT I wouldn't mind seeing. Come to think of it, who were those people anyway? Where did they come from? What were the hopes, dreams, and aspirations of their parents? Is space what they wanted for their children? Did the children inherit their interest in science from them? If not, where did they pick it up? Was it from the grandparents? What were those grandparents like?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Rakafraker

    by kwisatzhaderach

    How on earth could Abrams make a movie as good as The Empire Strikes Back? He's not a dramatist, he's a fanboy. And he's not exactly shooting Lawrence Kasdan-level scripts is he?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    More Trek casting updates

    by skimn

    Jonah Hill as Harry Mudd, old Shatner hairpieces as Tribbles, Antonio Sabàto, Jr. as Kahn (he's got the pecs),...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Sequitur

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks for proving my point that there was no memorable dialogue in that trainwreck.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Space Seed

    by david19

    If theyre gunna do Khan, retell the Space Seed story. Leave Wrath of Khan alone. Dont EVER tell that story. Leave it up to peoples imaginations. But I think if they told the story of Space Seed, they could maybe leave people in the end knowing what will or might eventually happen, but without doing anything to potentially ruin that story.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Someone PLEASE explain the love for JJ Trek

    by _Palmer_Eldritch

    I'm serious. I've seen the movie twice and I just can't figure it out. The script for JJ Trek was no better than that for Transformers 2, yet everybody loved the former and hated the latter. Why, guys? Seriously, I'm not a hater, I just don't get it.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Cornetto.

    by The 6th Conchord

    How about they invent a new foe or situation for the adjusted timeline? Or they could stick with & update some original elements, such as relations with the Klingons. Or am I asking too much?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Richardo Montalban's head in a jar

    by Bobman46

    Come on! You know it would still be good

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    _Palmer_Eldritch

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Nobody has ever explained it, because there is no sane reason. They just complain about how those pointing out how lame the movie is are 'haters'. Because it's now a crime to expect well-written blockbusters.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    G@BRIEL GR@Y is back....

    by DrMorbius

    And I don't think he's happy!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    How could any ST2 news be relevant this early on?

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>It might not come out for three years... no one involved in the film is going to give any hint of who is in the movie.</p> <p>and I hope they DON'T re-cast Khan. Not because I don't think they could pull it off, but because I'm tired of hearing everyone assume that's where it should go. Khan was an original villain. Doesn't this crew deserve their own original villain who could potentially be just as famous as Khan? </p>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Sequitur

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Still waiting for a well-written line of dialogue from Star Trek...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    What a waste of the new TREK premise

    by YackBacker

    They've opened up a whole new universe of story ideas with this alternate timeline they've established and that means they should look for fresh ideas and stories. If they go back to Khan, Mudd or whomever from TOS, they've missing the point. And if they think re-formulating Kirk v. Khan in a new story is good enough, they're making a huge mistake. No one will ever top TWOK. Just leave it be and do something creative.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    But how are they going to create a good, original villain? This is Kurtzman and Orci we're talking about.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK: THE RETURN OF G@BRIEL GR@Y

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You mods better get a move on before he starts hacking servers and people's computers.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Fresh ideas and stories from the teams behind Mission Impossible 3, Star Trek, Transformers, Zorro... see where i'm going with this?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Jettl93

    by cineninja

    shutthefuckupalready93. No life poser. Go back to your anime chat rooms if its attention you need. Here ur just a delusional little twit that nobody takes seriously.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Calm down Kwis, your mentor will be along shortly!

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by kwisatzhaderach

    He actually learnt everything from me.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    "character sin"?

    by Zardoz

    Obviously a mis-print, but yeah, don't be making any "character sin" if you adapt Khan for Trek 2, JJ!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    GET OVER STAR TREK II

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Jesus Christ, Hollywood.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    No.

    by Gabba-UK

    End of discussion.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    cylon_conspiracy - 3 years?

    by JettL93

    I'm on the project and i know the deadlines, this film is tentavly set for summer 2011, JJ wants our script by end of janaury '10 and filming is set to begin end of march, it's not too early for news, like i said we have already got the story, now it's just piecing it together and banging out the script<P>then i can focus my entire attention onto Batman 3, which is a project very deer to my heart

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    WRATH OF KHAN WAS THE BEST MOVIE TO THIS DAY!!!!!!!!!!

    by Mennen

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    JettL93

    by rocco2216

    JettL93, you have already proved that you're full of shit so shut the hell up and go away. Why are you still here and trying?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    I Miss This Decade Already.

    by Acquanetta

    It will no doubt be remembered as a decade of boundless imagination. The period of time when we finally sought to unravel such puzzling cinematic mysteries as: Why does James Bond like to have sex with different women? Why does The Joker wear clown makeup? What's the deal with Spock and Uhura? Who REALLY killed Uncle Ben- can we trust the events of the first film? But what if, after two failures, Skynet sent back an even MORE ADVANCED Terminator?! Did Lex Luthor ever get out of prison and, if so, was he still interested in real estate? We know how he turned out, but what was Boba like at age 10? Did the events of Weapon X really unfold as depicted in X-Men 2, or was that film simply jerking us around? What happened when Rocky entered his fifties- did he just stop boxing?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Way to be original and creative there, J.J....

    by SpyGuy

    Let me guess, Spock dies in order to prevent Khan from having his revenge and the third movie is all about Spock's resurrection?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach, point well-made

    by YackBacker

    But even within the "known universe" of TREK, there's plenty of room for invention considering what the last movie provided the storytellers. If all they wanted was to create an alt-verse where they could recast old villains, etc. then they've wasted everyone's time. One of the things I liked most about the last movie was the freedom they established to start over. Sure, certain galactic events like V'Ger and the Whale Probe might occur again regardless, the idea of new challenges/villains was what I found most promising.<p> I know Orci has this notion that the two disparate timelines are supposed to somehow reintegrate themselves (like a wound healing, forming a temporal "scab") but fucking-a, Bob- get creative and try something new with this storytelling parole you've given yourselves.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Acquanetta..

    by DrMorbius

    Nice post...but what if Prof Peabody and Sherman set the Wayback Machine for the year 1999...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Didn't you guys read JettL93 post?

    by DrMorbius

    He said No Khan do!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    ATTN: JJ:

    by The Eskimo

    I'm crushing your head...crushing it! = - = -

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    The engine room

    by Sonny_Williams

    You know, of all the changes Abrams made to the Trek universe, the look of the engine room is one thing he is the first to get right. In reality, even in the future, a space ship's engine room would NEVER have the sleek, finished look of the engine rooms in all the earlier incarnations of Trek. I have spent all my working life in the mechanical rooms of commercial buildings, schools, hospitals, hotels... and regardless of how modern and sleek the public side of these buildings is, when you enter that door that says AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY you are in a raw, totally utilitarian world of exposed piping, conduit, and ductwork. So go ahead and bitch about JJ all you want, but know that he DID get one thing absolutely right!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Sonny, apparently that wasn't their first choice

    by YackBacker

    They had designed some elaborate set for the Engine room and then scrapped it for budgetary reasons. So, they went and scouted some locations to double for it. Abrams wasn't happy with the end results.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Sonny_Williams

    by DrMorbius

    How DARE you sir! Well, if you're right, the indignants will just try a new tack, like, how could J.J. change the color of Uhura's lipstick, such a total disregard for ST Canon! The very TEMERITY!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Star Trek coming out next week?

    by LtColMcQueen

    Well I guess since Merrick isn't sharing his secret of time travel, the rest of us mere mortals are going to have to wait the two weeks until the movies comes out on the 17th. *this has been a small sliver of snark delivered to you from the Colonel

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Interesting, YackBacker

    by Sonny_Williams

    I had never heard that before. But I still feel that even though it was not a deliberate choice, it did ring much truer to the likely reality of a 23rd century engine room.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    SHIA LEBEOUF + PLASTIC CHEST PIECE = LIL' KHAN

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I'll let Shat express my feelings

    by Det. John Kimble

    http://www.khaaan.com/

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    OH JOY. MORE KHAN.

    by BringingSexyBack

    I guess originality is too much to ask. And I had such high hopes for Trek 2. LOL silly me.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNT!

    by RICHARD_GERE_RAPED_MY_GERBIL

    That was my version of 'Khaaaaaaaan!' being shouted upwards at that picture of JJ.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Chaka Khan as Chaka Khan

    by Dr Gregory House

    "I feel for you, I think I love you"

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Oh the creativity and ingenuity of that so much

    by ominus

    talented creator with the name JJ Abrams.oh god,hahaha. <p>You know what? i understand that the guy is hired to make a product for the studio to sell,that he is not trying to make art here,he is not trying to add something new in this franchise,to make movies which will express his personal vision and expand a mythology like Star Trek. <p>he is not a creator,an artist who will give passion and care about his movie,he is a plumber,an electrician,a cable guy,who is just hired to do a job for you.yes he will do a good job,he is worthy of your paycheck,but at the end he is only someone who fixes or sells things and nothing else. <p>at the end thats what separates great artists from cheap immitators: the former give everything for their art,the latter dont give anything,they just take and sell.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Chaka Khan Chaka Khan let me rock you...

    by blade_walker

    that's all I wanno.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Chaka Khan Chaka Khan let me rock you...

    by blade_walker

    that's all I wanno do.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Maybe theyll preview this at the next...

    by DrMorbius

    COMIC-KHAN.<P>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Oh yay....

    by Audio_of_Being

    Yeah, JJ, put Kahn in the second movie, but tell all of the backstory in a prequel comic book so that yet again we have another Star Trek with another shitty villain. Spock could die again, and Kirk could be upset because old Spock tells him he has to be, just like they had to be friends by the end of the last movie because of the same reason.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Suck it haters

    by critch

    $250+ million US - $400 WW - 95% RT - Universal acclaim from fans. Highest grossing and best reviewed Star Trek movie ever.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    CAN WE GET A ROD INSTEAD?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He takes so many steroids.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    A V A T A R - Fucking your eyeballs in December!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    nothing else matters

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I FELT A GREAT DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE

    by DrMorbius

    G@BRIEL GR@Y is baaaaaccckkk.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    here's another scoop for you alls

    by JettL93

    Billy Crupup is the front runner to play a sympathetic Klingon named Karpagh. he will be a member of the council that wishes peace with the federation and he will befirend many of the crew, especially kirk and scotty.<P>also the main villan of this movie will be a great klingon warrior who is misleading his people into thinking the federation is a warrior cult that wants klingon space, we haven't settled on a name yet, and JJ hasn't revealed who he wants cast but he is going to be one badass klingon, and a villan of pure evil, seriously there will be no sympathy for this guy like you felt with Nero<P>Also for TNG fans, if his scedule is open you'r elikley to see a cameo from Michael Dorn playing an antcestor of Worf, nothing too large but more significant then his cameo in star trek 6

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    The villain should be AsimovLives

    by MattmanBegins

    I'd love to see him screaming right before Kirk blows up his ship.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Anything But Tangerines: Bless you for the Ed Wood shout-out

    by HarryCalder

    "Karloff?... Sidekeek?... that limey cocksucker can rot in hell!!!" (or words to that effect...)

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Khaaan

    by batomm

    www.khaaan.com

  • Part of creating something truly original is you have to make people care about new characters that they've never seen before. Here, everyone is already well familiar with the characters, cares about them, and you have an ENTIRE UNIVERSE to play around in and make up some whacky, sci-fi shit, but you rehash old plot lines? Not to mention the license of the first film's success to do something different with the second. Say what you want about Lucas and Coppola now, at least they both did exactly that with their first sequels. Empire is almost NOTHING like ANH, other than familiar characters, and the same goes for Godfather II.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    JettL93

    by blade_walker

    This is all a joke, right? If it's not, and you really are trying to convince us that you're writing the script to every single big movie in Hollywood...that's just sad.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Nice to know that engine rooms of 23rd Century starship

    by SubliminalJones

    ...would be designed exactly like the inside of the Budwieser brewery in Van Nuys.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Fucking weak!!! UNLESS

    by picardsucks

    The only appearance of Khan is his Sleepership floating in some uncharted swath of space over the end credits. Setting up Khan in 3 or 4. My idea is best

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Link to article about ST2 2012 release date

    by cylon_conspiracy

    I know this guy Jet is full of crap but I don't want him to get other people's hopes up, because I remember that there was a notion that they would go straight into production on the sequel. http://tinyurl.com/ylxax2m

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK II v. 2.0: QUANTUM OF KHAN

    by YackBacker

    Wake me when this shit be over.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Javier Bardem....

    by furzee

    Seems the most obvious choice for Khan to me...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Memorable lines...

    by BizarroJerry

    Pretty much the whole "Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence" rant.<p> <p>"I know that dog!" <p>"I like this ship! It's exciting!" <p>"Who was that pointy-eared bastard?" <p>"I may throw up on ya."

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Will Gary Mitchell be in it?

    by blade_walker

    You know, Kirk's friend who mutated?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    If they have to...

    by Johnny Smith

    ...Misha Collins as Khan. You know it's perfect.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Calm yourselves

    by BizarroJerry

    People are reacting as if Abrams said he would be doing a Khan story. He more or less said they weren't planning on it, but he won't rule it out.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Jett:93

    by Creative1

    Your shtick isn't bad for a 13 year old but no writer worth his salt would use the word "baddie". They'd go with something a little more literate like antagonist, villain or nemesis. Have fun writing the script.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    SubliminalJones

    by DrMorbius

    Whey else would Scotty spend so much time there?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Lol, for a writer Jett you have the worst grammar I've ever seen

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Don't you have to have English skills to be taken seriously as a writer?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    People WANT a Khan story--this article was pointless

    by cylon_conspiracy

    There is no info in this article, just trying to get us to talk about KHAN! This literally does not count as "news".

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Could be cool, but WHY? New Adventures PLEASE!

    by The Founder

    Let Khan stay in the past please!!!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Nobody wants a Khan story!

    by FaTassDino_Molester

    Abrams, you motherfucking fuck! Every time I think they can't get any more creatively bankrupt...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Why not, oh i dont know, think up of NEW villains?

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    And if they can't then at least take another villain from TOS thats not Khan?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    I want Kirk and Bones to go to the Picard winery...

    by YackBacker

    Get rip-roaring drunk, have Kirk impregnate the girl mashing grapes, thus solidifying his ancestry over the future Enterprise captain. Jean-Luc Picard will become Kirk's illegitimate great-grandson.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the New Time Line created for creative freedom?

    by The Founder

    Redoing Khan is such a dissappointment if they go down that route. It sounds very much like something that Paramount would have Abrams do. I'm just not feeling it. Since they have freedom now, the team can do Khan anyway they want but I just want something new and never been done and been seen before.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Jett's terrible grammer leads me to believe he's Boborci

    by YackBacker

    The evidence is damning!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    A time travel cameo could be cool

    by cylon_conspiracy

    But I would really love to see a younger Picard just sort of appear on the bridge for two seconds, then beam off just as quickly with no one noticing him, something you'd have to watch a couple times to pick up. THAT could be extremely cool. To me at least.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    SPACE SEED- a story about shooting your load in microgravity

    by YackBacker

    Cumming Summer 2012!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    For God's sake their's an entire Universe out there!

    by The Founder

    It really is, so the possibilities are endless. All it takes is imagination.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    God I hate J.J. Abram's face.

    by Sardonic

    His movies are decent to mediocre, but goddamn something about his face just makes me want to punch it.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    "grammer"-- man do I suck

    by YackBacker

    GRAMMAR. Fucking pathetic...

  • I read that somewhere. I guess they could do that character and do a similiar story without tarnishing the Khan legacy.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Sardonic, I know what you mean...

    by FaTassDino_Molester

    The man looks like a prolapsed rectum...and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the whole point of the reboot

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    to get away from the same stories that had supposedly boxed Trek in?<BR><BR> There's no reason to revisit Khan when you can do all-new Klingons or, hell, even the Kzin or Tholians. We don't need a remake of Star Trek II, we need a NEW Trek movie.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Oh I hope not!

    by Norm3

    The Media won't stop with this Khan crap. If I want to watch Khan I'll watch my Blu-ray.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Stephen Lang

    by Spartacus Hughs

    Chiwetel Ejiofor Viggo Mortenson Vincent D'Onofrio Nick Chinlund Justin Theroux Temuera Morrison KHAAAANS!!!?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    ha, i'm not bob orci

    by JettL93

    yeah right, my identity is a secret to keep my privacy, but i am not bob orci, but i do know him and he's a really cool guy. I will say this though..my identity is definetly someone you would all know, i just like having some scoops and some fun with you alls

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    TOLD! YOU! SO!

    by gruntybear

    A "rebooting" is nothing more than a license to rehash everything and anything that came before - just like I warned when everyone and their mothers were sucking off Jar-Jar's "Dawson's Trek" remix last summer. Khan will be there in the "Dawson's Trek" sequel. Klingons will be there. And most likely, hints of Borg. The same ol', same ol'. Guaran-fucking-teed. The only thing the new Trek had going for it was a whale of a budget. Had the old continuity been infused with the obscene amounts of cash and marketing lavished upon "Dawson's Trek," it would have had the very same audience reaction. But now we'll never know. The long-threatened Star Trek 90210, the Academy Years is now our reality. Thanks anti-Trek bitches.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Has Jett ever defended himself?

    by blade_walker

    "Shut up you assholes! I am TOO the biggest writer in Hollywood! Next time you question me, I'm gonna write Robin into Batman 3! Suck my motherfucking diiiiiiiiiick!"

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    there will a major twist in this movie.

    by ominus

    Khan is revealed to be Hitler's grandson.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Christoph Waltz

    by Spartacus Hughs

    BIIIIIIIINNGOOOOO!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Also

    by secretcylon

    For a fancy pants writer, JettL93 doesn't know the difference between deer and dear.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Trek hasn't been original since 1978

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Why start now?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    JettL93's true identity is...

    by blade_walker

    Akiva Goldsman! Rip his head off and shit down his neck!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    secretcylon

    by DrMorbius

    Maybe deer are dear to him!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I came to work dressed like Kirk last Friday.

    by Lou Stools

    At lunch I arrogantly strolled into the cafeteria and ordered the baked COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    JJ ABRAMS'S STAR TREK = WORTHY OF APPLAUSE

    by turketron_2

    Everyone should stand and cheer whenever in the presence of that movie for the crowning achievement of cinematography, storytelling, and characterization that it is. Get on your knees and thank JJ Abrams for making your life 10x better for viewing that film (The absolute BEST Star Trek movie in existence). You know this to be true.<p> /bait

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Rob0729

    by NoHubris

    Khan and his superhumans who, unfortunately used their advanced, highly developed capabilities to become villianous conquerers and rulers over millions -- the exact opposite of the Federation btw. We've never seen that Khan.<p>IMHO seeing that version would be like experiencing a whole new character.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Old genetic enginnering

    by zackman

    Shouldn't Kirk and co. be more advanced than Khan and crew? I mean shure they looked down on GM after the war but whatv about those overacheiving parents would want the best for their children?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    JJ is just saying that to piss Asimov off

    by toadkillerdog

    Then again, this is the man in charge of the creative team who turned one of the greatest kick-ass Fighters in all of TV/Cinematic history (James T) into a total get's his ass-kicked pussy!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    JJ nose = penis

    by mintoncard

    His nose. It's a penis.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Isn't Zoolander a Khan defector?

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    He has the hair and IQ!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    "Now we party. Green Bitches Come."

    by turketron_2

    *Green alien chicks teleport in out of nowhere*

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Callum Blue as Khan

    by jaysin420

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Jack Black for Cyrano Jones

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    JettL93 the problem is

    by ominus

    that you tell about these things when they are officially posted in aicn,but never before that in some other older and relative topic. <p>heh,something funny that might happen,is that the official topic gets updated after you post your fairytale,and simply declares as false their original news report.so be careful with that,dont be hasty.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    You've all been....wait for it...KHANed!!!

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    James Franco for Khan,

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Somewhere, off the coast of Portugal...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...a young man furiously rows westward, a knife between his gritted teeth, occasionally spitting garbled profanity and screaming bloody vengeance. <p> In fact, that's my casting choice; AsimovLives IS Khan! From Hell's heart, he stabs at Abrams, for hate's sake, he spits his last breath at thee!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...all sucked eggs. However, STAR TREK 3 had some great moments. <p>I can't bare to watch the original series. It isn't groovy...it isn't science...it is just "corny." There is just only so much of the Shatner wigs, girdles and and camera closeups of his pancake/mascara makeup that I can handle! </p>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Nic Cage claims to be broke! You know what that means

    by toadkillerdog

    KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! With a very bad wig - coming soon to theaters near you! <p>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I keep waiting for Christopher Lloyd to scream...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ..."Marty McFly" in broken Klingon during STAR TREK 3!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    ebonic!

    by toadkillerdog

    That killed me! I broke out laughing so hard. I had to shut my office door!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I am actually on the Star Trek Project

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    I can confirm that JettL93 is involved in the project – his primary function can best be described as “stress reliever.” My role is to confirm who gets to use JettL93 (which orifice they desire and how long they need him for). I am pretty excited as this will be my first formal credit for a film – my name should appear right after key grip - just look for the “Ball Gargler Wrangler,” and that will be me.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Wait a second...

    by damned-dirty-ape

    Shatner wears a wig and girdle? Why wasn't i informed of this sooner? I'm always the last to know

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Khan = Zoolander in an alternate reality

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ..strutting to some techno beats. Yes, he will rule the world('s fashion runways)...or die trying.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    damned-dirty-ape...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Just letting you know that, although science will develop pills to grow new kidneys, male pattern baldness and a fat ass will still be an epidemic in 2272 AD. Kirk, however, wears them quite well.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Khan...

    by Chadley BeBay

    Is not a great film. I would love to sit and watch this movie with any fan who jizzes over this movie. I guarantee within a half hour you will start fiddling with your laptop not paying attention. Come on people get over it.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Hey Toad

    by DrMorbius

    I hope the Enterprise doesn't go anywhere near Altair 4.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Khan played by brand pitt with dark makeup

    by ominus

    and with an english accent.why the hell not?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Rob0729

    No I mean the original concept was to use Nordic looking actor with a Viking name and basically play off Hitler's master race theory. At some point, the character was turned into an Asian (I think Indian) named Khan played by a Hispanic Ricardo Maltalban.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    ebonic!

    by toadkillerdog

    You forgot to mention he was only wearing underoos!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    No Khan

    by shran

    do.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I just hope the plot doesn't get too....

    by DrMorbius

    KHANvoluted.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The best STAR TREK movies...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...were Wrath of Khan...First Contact...<p>...and GALAXY QUEST. </p> The last one captured the essence of the STAR TREK universe quite well (especially the fans). =)

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    haha yeah about Shatner in TOS

    by ominus

    why were they putting makeup on his eyelids? was there any particular reason or that was the general makeup of the actors in the 70s?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Bad Idea

    by richievanderlow

    Let's move forward, not keep trying to felve into the past. We've got a clean slate, and short of revisiting a few characters, I would say let's move this franchise forward in new directions, not modernization of old stories.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Ha, good call, TKD...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...though if he's not their choice for a rebooted Khan (which, let's face it, may happen if he's not a physical match for Montalban, though somehow I do imagine him with that hair), then they at least have to hide a camcorder somewhere in his room and edit the footage into Trekkies 3: The Wrath of Fandom. This shit writes itself!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    Those Jackasses are too stupid to even spell FP let alone appreciate it's sublime achievement. <p> It will remain safe from the likes of them.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Naveen Andrews is another solid choice.

    by Johnny Smith

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    FINNEGAN! FINNEGAN! FINNEGAN! FINNEGAN!

    by blakindigo

    Come on! You know you want it…

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Ebonic

    by toadkillerdog

    I was serious about Nic Cage saying he is broke though, story on cnn website. <p> That means he will be doing even shittier movies to make money - although I do not know how that is even possible!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 3 sucked?

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    No way. The Search for Spock is underappreciated – the Enterprise theft and eventual destruction are great sequences. I think it gets a bad rap just because it directly follows the greatness that is Wrath of Khan (and because Robin Curtis is a horribly annoying Saavik replacement – Kristy Alley was still attractive back then). The Search for Spock is the third best film in the series (behind Khan and First Contact).

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Toad

    by DrMorbius

    Okay, if you say so, otherwise I was willing to pull a 'Jedi mind trick' on them. Like, "This is not the planet you are searching for, nothing to see here, move along."

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    maybe his accountant stole his money

    by ominus

    it has happened before.or he invested his money on someone who turned out to be a crook.but you are right,cage could have been an interesting star trek villain,not as khan but someone else,maybe the klingon Kor,he has already his hair style.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    You may want to save that trick Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    Even if those morons do not attempt the unthinkable, there are always others who might!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Here's how to handle Khan...

    by TheMightyMonarch

    Opening scene...The Starship Enterprise, with newly promoted Captain Kirk, comes across a derelict ship named "Botany Bay". Kirk orders an away team to investigate. Spock reminds him that after the incident with the time-traveling Romulans, Federation orders all artifacts carrying inhabitants from another time must be scuttled on sight. Kirk sighs, orders the photon torpedo spread, and they move on with their mission.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    5 X 5 Toad

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    JettL93—YOU ARE VIOLATING YOUR NDA! STFU!

    by blakindigo

    Didn't you read the damn contract before you signed it?!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    ominus

    by toadkillerdog

    Ya, i think it was an acountant, but I do not want Cage anywhere near Khan, I was just saying that now that he is broke, he will play anything - as if he already did not try that. My guess is that he will even be competing with Renee Zellwegger for roles! He might win a few of those two! oh, the humanity! <p> Be prepared for an awesome onslaught of truly shitty Nic Cage movies!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I FELT A GREAT DISTURBANCE IN THE FORCE

    by DrMorbius

    G@BRIEL GR@Y is not a Happy Camper.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    How in the hell...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...is Nic Cage broke? I figured he'd still have all that Bay money at least. Did Madoff get him too, or have wig prices gone nuts lately or something? Did we as a country learn nothing from MC Hammer?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Rob0729

    by NoHubris

    Apologies for missing your point. I'd never heard that story.<p>I'm glad it was changed because the same theme came across perfectly with Ricardo Montalban.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Nerd Blood Pressure goes up

    by MacReady452

    boners go down

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

    all over the universe.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Maybe they can get Heath Ledger to play Kahn

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I wonder if AICN will ignore ST sequel if they get they punkd li

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    TheMightyMonarch: Close, but not quite...

    by Royston Lodge

    This is how you handle Khan. Due to changes in the timeline, the Enterprise isn't in the right place at the right time to intercept the Botany Bay.<p> Instead, a Klingon Bird-of-Prey finds it and, thinking it's just a piece of space-junk, uses it for target-practice.<p> Maybe it's a D'oh!-class bird-of-prey...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    khan = benicio del toro

    by serinx

    maybe...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Toad

    by DrMorbius

    Look at the post counter for the Avatar TB. Gabriel Gray has been going crazy over there. His last multiple post (must be well over a hundred) all aimed at that Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength Asshole. If you have trouble posting or refreshing every once in a while, it coincides with GG's spamming.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Question.

    by Ingeld

    Since the whole time line is now screwed up, doesn't this mean that it is unlikely that Picard and crew actually went back in time to help Zephram Cochrane create the warp drive? The changing of the future in the last Star Trek movie inevitably changed also the past. In an other example unless Kirk goes back in time to be influential in the death of Edith Keeler than the allies lost the second world war, thus changing the course of the future in which Kirk would have been born. I know it is only a movie, but Abrams in the last movie doesn't simply change timelines, he eradicates anything from any of the series or films as being canon. The series and previous films only exist as raw material to create his Star Trek. There is no direct relationship between the rebooted Trek and any other incarnation of it.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    BizarroJerry

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Jesus wept, are you seriously putting those forward as example of good lines?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Antonio Banderas

    by wellgoodgravy

    .... or, Benecio del Toro would be good Khan picks. But c'mon, Khan's 'supermen', according to TOS, are already past in this present day. The idea needs retinkering now.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Nick Cage aint "broke"....

    by jaysin420

    being broke is living on the street and eating garbage, this dude owes the irs 6mil. I'm sure he'll get at least 25 for the next national treasure...Oh yea and he's a fucking Coppola!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    snoop dog as Son of Khan...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    See, in this time line they've been awake for a while.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Owen Wilsons nose= Penis

    by mattforce7

    u know it to be true

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    This is just hype and misinformation

    by Stabby

    there is no way that they are going to jeopardize the free pass that most Trekkies gave the reboot.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    What about the Gorn?

    by marcspector

    No one loves the Gorn. :(

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

    why i have to keep saying this: <P> As long as Bones doesn't go back and save her, Edith Keeler will die like she's suppose to.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Rakafraker

    Point taken. <p>Akiva, I hope that you're telling the truth. Please give us a good Klingon War.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    How about.....

    by Damned if I can login

    Spock's Brain? Or even better, Wolf in the Fold. Yeah...base STII on Wolf. And instead of Jack the Ripper use something a little different, like the Zodiac killer.<p>Aw hell, just roll all the known serial killers into one big cosmic entity and let the remake commence.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    gabrielgay is a pussy

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    and a loser. what a fucking douche bag.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Ingeld: If you really want to go nuts on the alternate timeline.

    by Royston Lodge

    ...stuff, then one could easily wonder if Q would bother to harrass humanity in this timeline, which would prevent the Borg from ever learning about humanity's existence.<p> Considering that the Q-Continuum exists outside of time, surely Q knows all about both timelines.<p> Maybe from Q's point-of-view, harrassing humanity in this timeline would just be a pain-in-the-ass exercise and a wasteful duplication of effort.<p> Q on the phone with a Q-Continuum flunky: "They did what to the timeline? Oh for fuck's sake. No, I'm not going to bother going through all THAT again. Get someone else to do it. What do you mean nobody else is available? Get Marty to do it. I don't care if he's taking this eon off from work! Well, you're gonna have to find someone, cuz I ain't doin' it."

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    seriously I think AsimovLives is dead

    by MacReady452

    can't believe he isn't raving on here yet. What? He's busy? yeah right.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    all those khan puns are highlarious

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    not really. stupid as fuck and unfunny to boot! suckers.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    If the timeline has changed,then you have the

    by ominus

    freedom to do whatever you want with Khan's character.for instance you dont have to follow the same space seed/wrath story.Put Khan in a different setting,a different fate in the rebooted st universe. <p>For instance have the botany bay arrive in some semi-primitive world where Khan and his crew quickly become their masters and transform the planet into a galactic empire which,along with romulans and klingos,is a considerable threat for the federation. <p>Dont make Khan just another baddie with a grudge.Make him a permanent presence in the ST universe,since he is so beloved by fans,give him a lot of ground to play with his character (ie his empire symbolizes nazism as it was orginally intended int TOS),and make Kirk to be his permanent thorn in his butt,which creates a relationship between them.Explore that relationship between Khan and Kirk (rivalry,respect,loath,etc) ,progress it and later in some other movie,if you wish you can give it its final resolution. <p>wouldnt it be ironical that Federation greatest threats comes from a sin of their past,in fact a very dark part of their human history? (nazism,fascism,ww2,playing god,etc) <p>Khan is a character with a great potential to just be in one or two movies and have him chasing Kirk for exiling him.he has already done this,make him do something else,something more.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Such KHANtroversy

    by DrMorbius

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge haha that was hillarious

    by ominus

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    If you think Star Trek VI sucked...

    by Johnny Smith

    ...you have no idea what good Star Trek is.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    by ominus

    <p>Kirk: Mr Khan, suddenly I wish to leave your planet. <p>Khan: It is not possible. <p>Kirk: Bullshit, Mr. Khan-man.

  • I see what you did there...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    look up the terms: assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    you know they only say this to wind you fuckers up

    by FamousEccles

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    this whole site is to: wind you fuckers up...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    that's it. <P> Its a roller coaster ride of:

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    assumptions and Hyperbole

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Oh boy- MORE Star Trek II dialogue to look forward to.

    by Flim Springfield

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Star Trek VI is great

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Good writing, acting + directing = a memorable movie. Take notes JJ.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    "If there is to be a brave new world

    by kwisatzhaderach

    our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it."

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    No interest

    by donkey_lasher

    Despite it's failings (unnoticed by the dumb new fanboys who lapped up that shit) Khan is firmly rooted in the OS lore. They WONT do this.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    re:Dr.DirtyD

    by Ingeld

    I think you are wrong about Edith Keeler. The timeline that Kirk and McCoy were already in before McCoy goes back was dependent on them going back and being instrumental in her death. Thus our own timeline, in which the allies won is dependent upon their intervention. Had McCoy not gone back in time, Kirk would not have gone back in time, Edith Keeler would not have been on a date with Kirk, would not have been on the street, would not have turned around to watch Kirk and McCoy being reunited, would not have died. I hope that is clear. Also Royston excellent point. I don't like the fact that the new Trek essentially thumbs its nose at what fans have held on to for the past forty years.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Ingeld

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Exactly, this new timeline is a giant "Fuck you" to all the original fans. Dumbed down for mall-dweller consumption, "this is not your father's 'Star Trek'".

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    she would have died anyway....or, we don't know.

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    it's a "fuck you" to you Kwis, and anyone else who feels the sam

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Please don't speak for ALL Original Series fans.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Sam kirk I feel yea..

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Dr. DirtyD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm not speaking for all the original fans, just my personal opinion of how Kurtzman, Orci and Abrams have treated them. Everything I post on here is my personal opinions.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    wellgoodgravy

    by NoHubris

    According to SPACE SEED, Khan was a powerful ruler in 1996 so tinkering would be required. They do the Dan Brown thing(e.g. Angels and Demons, etc.), making Khan and his superhumans a secret order/shadow government in 1996 or powerful underworld figures who manipulate events behind the scenes like Keyser Soze.<p>Fixing that WILL take imagination, but it's a nice challenge for any serious creative team IMHO.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Kwis, You heard Dr.DirtyD

    by Ingeld

    It is a giant fuck you to all original star trek fans minus one. There, that settles it.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    And the books were damned good.

    by zinc_chameleon

    Some very smart stuff there: there are battle scenes where Khan fights other supermen--but, all the bad-guy guards can shoot straight, and an evil superwoman scientist in a lab coat drops one of Khan's lieutenants in hand-to-hand. Khan had as much or more trouble within his own ranks as he did with us regulars.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Javier Bardem as Kahn!

    by blackmantis

    That would kick ass...Just please no Antonio Banderas.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Any serious creative team would create their own original material, not rehash perfectly good existing material for a fast buck.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Ingeld

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Haha.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    let's see what happenes when i reverse it...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Hyperbole and Assumptions... <P> it gets worse as time passes.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's not hyperbole and assumptions that JJs Trek had a shitty script, that's stone-cold fact.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Nope, t's your subjective opinion kiddo

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Star Trek 2: The Wrathstriouser of Khanstrious

    by Ray Gamma

    Kobyashi Drift

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Stone cold fact is: There was a feature film in 2009 called

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Star Trek.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You're wrong. Read some screenplays.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Ingeld & kwisatzhaderach: I humbly disagree.

    by Royston Lodge

    I love the potential story ideas that come from the altered timeline, precisely BECAUSE so much Trek history depends on Kirk & Co. being at the right place at precisely the right time.<p> Now that the NCC-1701 wasn't even LAUNCHED on the same date as before, that is all screwed up.<p> You COULD interpret that as a "fuck you", I suppose. I prefer to imagine the myriad really, really cool stories you could come up with that revolve around something that happens because the Enterprise wasn't there to stop it.<p> - Talos IV isn't quarantined because Pike's Enterprise didn't go there.<p> - The Planet Killer is still out there causing havok.<p> - No Federation ships are close enough to Earth to stop V'Ger.<p> - No Federation ships are close enough to Earth to stop the "Whale Ship".<p> - The Space Amoeba is still out there causing havok.<p> - Apollo is still on his planet, causing havok.<p> - Landreu's planet is still under the thrall of their computer overlord.<p> - Eminiar VII is still locked in it's never-ending, computer-controlled war.<p> - Etc, etc, etc...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    How old are you?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY Article, dated May 2, 2011

    by YackBacker

    "KHAN MAN"- How Nicholas Cage Resurrects A Legendary Villain, But With A Twist! by Jeff Jensen<p> On board a silent freighter sits a ticking time bomb-- one of Earth's most notorious tyrants! Hitler? Bonaparte? Wrong- KHAN! Not since the 1982 hit "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" has this iconic villain appeared on the big screen. But J.J. Abrams and writers Bob Orci & Alex Kurtzman (both writers of last summer's mega-hit "View Master: Into The 5th Dimension of 3-D") decided that the iconic villain needed some updating. Sorry, Ricardo Montalban, but your Khan is history!<p> Donning the chest-baring role is Academy Award-winning actor Nicholas Cage ("Bangkok Dangerous"). "I swear to you I see the artistic integrity in this character," says Francis Ford Coppola's nephew. "My accountant and I were both really blown away by the script."<p> What does this new version of Khan have that the original article lacked? "Balls!" Says J.J. Abrams. "Actually two large, red balls. In the last movie we had one large ball and that grossed us over $200 million domestic. So, by that calculation, we decided that two large balls will put us safely over $400 million. You should have seen the reaction at ShoWest. I had theater guys coming up to me and asking 'How do you make those balls happen onscreen?' I mean, really, wow- balls are what people want."<p> So, the question everyone is asking is will William Shatner make a cameo this time around? We went to the source and asked the original Captain James Kirk himself for a hint- "I cannot be any more direct with you- fuck J.J. Abrams, that malodorous cunt." That sounds like a lukewarm denial to us!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Chow Yun Fat as Khan!

    by rodneyfaile

    Star Trek 2.0 - The Wrath of Khan Redux

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I see where you're coming from, and how there could be creative potential from altering the timeline, it's just my belief that Kurtzman and Orci don't have the literary talent to do it.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    learn about art and how we percieve it from a subjective

    by Dr.DirtyD

    human perspective. <P> why do you want to know my age?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    If they are adhering to the "many worlds" theory...

    by Ray Gamma

    ...Then why not have a whole new cast for the next one? Maybe throw in a Wookiee and a Dalek.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by kwisatzhaderach

    My sides hurt.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Because I would take offence at being called kiddo by someone younger than me. Actually, i'd take offence at being called kiddo by anyone.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Ray Gamma

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Can you imagine a new cast dreamt up by Kurtzman and Orci?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    was it 'caue i used the term Kiddo?

    by Dr.DirtyD

    That was just assumption and Hyberbole

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Ominus

    by KMKhaine

    Ominus: that is actually an almost decent thought out idea on how to do Khan. What the fuck are you doing posting on this site?! <P> And ST 6 was damn good for a ST movie. Klingon Von Trap was a good time.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The good thing about Avatar

    by kwisatzhaderach

    and the return of James Cameron is that audiences get to be reminded of what happens when someone with genuine talent and passion creates a blockbuster, instead of phoning it in over a few months.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker lol that was awesome

    by ominus

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    KMKhaine

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "Tickle us, do we not laugh. Prick us, do we not bleed. Wrong us, shall we not revenger?"

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Sorry, where i'm from kiddo is an endearing term.

    by Dr.DirtyD

    back in my day

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    or revenge even

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Don't do it.

    by Triple_J_72

    Just... don't.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    William Shatner (w/ handlebar 'stache) as Harcourt Fenton Mudd!!

    by tangcameo

    Or Harcourt Fenton Mudd Sr.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Baaaaaad idea

    by Theta

    It would not be consistent with the tone they're trying to strike in the series.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Forgive me for this post. But I have to do it....

    by Royston Lodge

    J.J. should make Khan a woman, and her first name should be Madeline!<p> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!<p> Comedy, thy name is Royston.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Imagine Shatner playing Mudd like...

    by tangcameo

    ...Shatner played every one of his iconic characters in that MTV awards spoof of Se7en. That's what I want!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    "I am constant as the northern star!"

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "I'd give real money if he'd shut up."

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I watched Titanic a couple days ago out of curiousity...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    I saw no originality there. The people may as well have been made of cardboard. <P> My subjective opinion.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    "Constant in the darkness? Where's that at?...

    by tangcameo

    ...If you want me I'll be in the bar." - Joni Shatner

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    What about The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss and Terminator 2? I realise Sigourney Weaver and Ed Harris will never reach the acting levels of Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto but hey, you have to start somewhere I guess...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach & ominus- thanks!

    by YackBacker

    Unfortunately the "article" reads a little too close to reality, ya know?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    kwisatz Cameron's just bad at dialogue

    by tangcameo

    He's good at concepts and 'what if's' but at dialogue he needs to hire out.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    good Shia impersonation there Dr_PepperSpray

    by son_of_ebert

    beeeeow!beeeeow!beeeeow!beeeeow!beeeeow!beeeeow!beeeeow!beeeeow!<p>CGI Montalban! YES!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach:..

    by KMKhaine

    "I am constant as the northern star!" "I'd give real money if he'd shut up." <P> ---- kwisatzhaderach <P> that was a great line - well delivered by Bones as well <P> Although I'm worried about Avatar... Reeks of heavy handed preachyness. Even the trailer reeks of it "this little metal is the reason we want to wipe out all the pretty planet loving blue cat people..." *barf* <P> I haven't made up my mind yet but if that is really the point of the movie I'll be waiting for a download.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I like Terminator still, a lot.

    by Dr.DirtyD

    I'm more in the Alien camp then Aliens, but i still like the Ripley heroes journey at the end. <P> I watched it a few weeks back too, and I thought perhaps the end fight between the queen and Rip was a good analogy for the 80's backlash against women. <P> I didn't say i don't like James Cameron films...just a good portion of a few of them.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    tangcameo

    by kwisatzhaderach

    No, Cameron is bad at realistic dialogue (see Titanic), for genre dialogue he is spot on.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and Titanc...

    by KMKhaine

    ... was a bucket of shit. <P> Only boobies made it almost worth watching.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I hear ya!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    taH pagh, taHbe?

    by ominus

    You haven't experience Shakespeare until you've heard it in the original Klingon.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker

    by DrMorbius

    Nice post except 'malodorous cunt' is what DocPazuzu calls AssLives.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Fair enough, was just suspicious when you chose Cameron's worst film as an example. <p> And yes, Aliens had feminists and lesbians cheering in the aisles when Ripley delivers the kiss-off line to the Alien Queen.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    For dialogue that moves the story along he's good...

    by tangcameo

    ...but ya, "That's not good." And "I'm King of..." and the 'romantic' dialogue made a good tragic disaster movie into a cheesy romance. That and his Oscar "King of the World" now THAT was his LAMEST. When he goes to BK, when they ask him how he likes his burger, does he say "I'll have it 'your way'!" In some over-the-top and cringingly awkward fashion?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Yea, he's spot on at using it...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    but i really don't think he's done anything that interesting with it. <P> I wouldn't call him genre bending. But he is does know his existing genres.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    "You do prefer it this way,

    by kwisatzhaderach

    as it was meant to be. Warrior to warrior."

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Kate Winslet must be naked in EVERY film

    by tangcameo

    Because it's in her contract and I demand it. Just waiting for the Neverland nude scene extra on DVD. "I can't believe you let me draw you naked! *chuckle*"

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    You should check out my antics

    by wintocha67

    Genetically engineered superman here.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Warrior to warrior...

    by tangcameo

    ...or aging Canadian Stratford Shakespearan Actor to aging Canadian Stratford Shakespearean Actor... probably both in wigs.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Aliens:

    by Dr.DirtyD

    If it was his intent, that would be an example of genre bending...i'll give him that, for that end fight. <P> The bloated "nesting" queen going after the next generation (newt), with Ripley decked out in blue collar attire...from the future.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    I could not even log on after what he did! Insane!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Cameron ain't Shakespeare

    by kwisatzhaderach

    except when he's compared to Kurtzman and Orci. Having said that have you read Cameron's actual screenplays? His use of descriptive language is pretty outstanding. Terminator 2 and the Strange Days scriptment are brilliantly written.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Toad

    by DrMorbius

    It took me 4-5 minutes just for one post. I hope he's done for a while (fingers crossed).

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius, I know! I love that phrase

    by YackBacker

    Last weekend, I'm in bed with my girlfriend and I mentioned my love of that phrase. She surprisingly approved of it. Then we made love. Thank you DocPaz!!!!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I read the Aliens script....

    by Dr.DirtyD

    years ago. I liked it. <P> I think he's best combining hard science fiction and Hollywood thrills.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Well, he should be banned purty soon

    by toadkillerdog

    After what he did. He has a serious hard-on for Nerd Rage though.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    At least we're not talking about

    by kwisatzhaderach

    S Trek anymore. Night all.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Kwis:

    by Det. John Kimble

    The same could be said for the entire audience when Sarah Connor delivers the kiss-off line to the Terminator.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    what did he do Toadkillerdog?

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    yeah, blackmantis

    by NoHubris

    Bardem IS Khan! More importantly, he would portray Khan as a complex character without aping what's been done before.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    So, how about this star trek huh?

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Toad

    by DrMorbius

    It's not just him though. Nerd_Rage has been constantly spamming the Avatar TB since its inception. Meaningless shite over and over, ad nauseum. And Spaztronik2000 has just been posting bullshit propoganda.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD

    by toadkillerdog

    I think it is the number of posts, and the fact he caused a slowdown on the server.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    Ya, Nerd may have brought it on himself, but there are some other assholes on this TB who also deserve a smackin!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    ah thank you Toad.

    by Dr.DirtyD

    I thought maybe he went nuts and started making death threats or something.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    which would be funny.

    by Dr.DirtyD

    There needs to be MORE intense drama here, not less.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Toad.....MNG knows more about him..

    by DrMorbius

    Something about almost crashing the site a few years back.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    If Nerd was actually funny then it would have been okay

    by YackBacker

    But being prolific and unfunny is ban-worthy in my book.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    And dioxholster has been banhammered twice..

    by DrMorbius

    in the last half year, and nowhere near as prolific as Gabriel Bray.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Diox loves SGU

    by YackBacker

    What's SGU? A college football team? (I'm kidding)

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Very True Yack

    by toadkillerdog

    Have you noticed none of the trolls are funny? I mean, the law of averages should apply just for the sheer number of posts they crank out - at least one should be funny! But nothing, squat.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker

    by DrMorbius

    I thought it was a relative of the GNU!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    I thought Trolls weren't funny as a rule...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    just annoying.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    DANNY GLOVER'S DICKBLOOD is a classic

    by YackBacker

    He started out trolling but then became something bigger... Bale Bless him. I also liked TITBAG a lot.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    TKD

    by DrMorbius

    Any thought about Chargers-Giants?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Jude Law for Khan

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Make it happen dirt bags.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    A troll is just someone who works their own agenda

    by YackBacker

    They usually are humorless. But once in a while, someone comes on with the right absurdist agenda to make this whole site insanely funny.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:20 p.m. CST

    I like Ricky

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    DGDB and TITBAG(TAINTLICK)...

    by DrMorbius

    did have their moments...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    YES WE KHAN!

    by Johnno

    OKHANA FOR PRES 2009!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Sounds like we're talking about the recently...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    deceased.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Yack, Danny is a different beast altogether

    by toadkillerdog

    He and I shared at TB home in the twitchback for quite a while with the mighty Church of Chang, but we did not always see eye to eye. However, Danny has a fierce intellect, even when I do not agree with what he says, I respect the fact that he has brains. <p> But folks such as lockes, nerd and titbag, have no talent. I have never once laughed at them. They all have a dumabass unfunny gimmick that they have beaten to death and raised into zombiehood.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to take a Trolling masters class...

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    I have already eaten my spleen after the giants losses. They must win this week. I have no more body parts to give. Fred fuckin killed me last week with his post though! <p>I do think the Gmen will triumph. Coughlin will be in their grill. Manning can not play any worse. And no, it is not plantar fascism or whatever, it is stupid decision making to throw into obvious double coverage. I think they rebound over your chargers. If not, Fred will make fun of me again! Ha!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Toad

    by DrMorbius

    I did see that zinger Fred left for you, funny stuff. The Chargers have a poor pss rush so that should help Eli quite a bit.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    This is Ceti Alpha Five you numb fuck!!!!!

    by Dark Doom

    I'm down with the whole reboot, (actually that day I just had major surgery and was released and the morphine might have something to do with my memory of the movie), but can Kirk not leave Khan on FUCKING Ceti Alpha Five??? LEAVE THE PRICK ON Ceti Alpha Six and poof! End of issue.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD - To get your trolling degree

    by toadkillerdog

    Repeat after me:<p> Fuck this fuckety film! It sucks diseased rat 'nads! It will eat fried monkey balls dipped in chicken shit!I really love Transformers! Ahh! Fuck! Shit! Piss! No Ma, don't turn out the light yet! No don't come in! <p> You are now a certified Troll. Go find a bridge.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    YOU LANDED ON THE WRONG PLANET!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Good job Chekov.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Put all that in a textbook now...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    you could make millions.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Yeah Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    Fred kills me every time! <p> The Chargers have a good O, but their D is very suspect. Still, if Eli thinks it is fuckin Christmas, then the the Gmen are fucked again.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Which Heros cast member will play Kahn?

    by MacReady452

    Probably T-Bag. You know it will come out of Heros cause these two franchises can't stop cum-swapping each other.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Wentworth Miller for Khan

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    This is getting boring.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    How about an original villian(s). Would like to see the writers attempt that.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Gotta give it up for the Noted_Sage Yack_Backer!

    by Sal_Bando

    That was some funny shit!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    I am watching the original V on scifi. I loved this when it came out. I am still diggin it, but it damn sure was shot on the cheap!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Khan

    by planetpulp

    If there is a Khan in our future, it must be the equivalent of the original, it should be Arnold Vosloo from the mummy or maybe Liam Neison.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    I have a very particular set of skills, Kirk. I will find you. A

    by Det. John Kimble

    You sure you want that pulp?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Waiting for the sound of GOATS...

    by Sal_Bando

    ...ones w/ Portuguese accents---

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    And I will stab at thee.

    by Det. John Kimble

    Damn short subject lines... arghs.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by NoHubris

    But is it really rehashing when you place a totally different version of a character into a wholly new and original story within an entirely separate timeline?<p>IMHO such happenings would be very much like Star Trek in any incarnation.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    YackBacker - Kudos!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Good stuff, sir. The BANGKOK DANGEROUS drop was a particularly nice touch!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah Toad, me too.

    by DrMorbius

    Not too many actors made it out of there alive. Although Marc Singer did get to snog Tanya Roberts in th BEASTMASTER, gotta love that!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Christopher Walken for Khan

    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    Bugnuts

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Noted_SageSal_Bando

    by DrMorbius

    Our friend with the proclivity for caprine rogering couldn't tell from the headline that this was a ST TB.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Tanya Roberts....BEASTMASTER

    by DrMorbius

    http://www.celebs-hookers.com/Tanya_Roberts/Tanya_Roberts15.jpg

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Some good lines from Star Trek

    by gun_will_travel

    Uhura: For a moment there, I thought you were just a dumb hick who only has sex with farm animals. Kirk: Well, not only. Spock: I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it. Kirk: See? We are getting to know each other. Pike: Your aptitude tests are off the charts, so what is it? You like being the only genius-level repeat offender in the Midwest? Pike: Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mothers and yours. I dare you to do better. Cadet: Hey farmboy. Maybe you can't count. But there are four of us and one of you. Kirk: So get some more guys, and then it'll be an even fight! Science Academy Minister: No Vulcan has ever declined admission to this academy! Spock: Then as I am half-human, your record remains "untarnished." Spock: I am now a member of an endangered species.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Montalban...

    by SimonDunkle

    Looked funny as Khan; with his old man head on that buff body and a mullet! Spooked me as a kid. Looked like a digital effect. Loved the earwig torture though!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Edward James Olmos for Khan

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    "Farmboy"? They have farms in the 23rd century?

    by Royston Lodge

    Oh yeah, I forgot that replicators aren't invented until Next Generation.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: Trelane's Reign

    by awepittance

    If you're going to use a character from the original series bring back Trelane. He was the original Q for christ sake! It would probably piss off new and old trekkies alike but i would love the shit out of it.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    They had replicators in Kirks time

    by lockesbrokenleg

    But why wouldn't people still farm? If you wanted to ignore tech and live off the land, you could still do that.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    re: marcspector

    by awepittance

    "They should use Trelane, the 17th century foppish dandy God" didn't see your post, great idea though :)

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    They have mp3 players in our time

    by awepittance

    so therefore there is no point to listening to cds or vinyl records (joke)

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Eugenic wars <---

    by awepittance

    probably the only interesting new aspect they could explore with the Khan character. even though it already happened (Wasn't it the 1990s?) they could do Khan's backstory for part of it and show the Eugenic wars in action

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Sal, MNG- thanks guys!

    by YackBacker

    I just watched V and I was bored. Not enough lizards!!!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Khan marooned on a planet full of tribbles

    by rodneyfaile

    Wrath of the tribbles.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Shatner will play Khan

    by rodneyfaile

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    ***COWARDS!***

    by GeorgieBoy

    If they use Khan, they just prove themselves to be storytelling cowards by not trying something new. Gee, I have an idea! How about coming up with your OWN idea instead of stealing someone else's? WOW!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    fun with...ellipses...

    by eXcommunicated

    ...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    JettL

    by Continentalop

    So what other projects are you working on Chris?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Khan

    by attackpatterndelta

    Just a few ideas. Always thought you could take what was good about the original series of movies and kind of meld it into something fun. Abrams, have your writers think of the worst fucked-up scenerio Kirk and crew could face, then work your way back into with a fun and creative way to get themselves out of the bad situation. You don' t need Khan as your villain to do that! Always wanted to see Kirk in similar battle as the one with Khan. How about you show how Kirk first learned how to think quickly and strategically in battle. Instead of the Reliant chasing Kirk, go balls to the wall and have Kirk in battle with two enemy ships hunting the Enterprise at once, show how has to think on his feet and use some trickery to win. Kirk is about doing the outrageous or bold move to survive. Have the crew on their heels but coming up with answers to defeat an enemy.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Conti

    by toadkillerdog

    So, you found out who he really is, huh?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I agree Yack

    by toadkillerdog

    It was boring. Gimme the original any day - even with it's hackneyed dialogue. Laughably stereotyped characters, and cheapo sets. It still rocked!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by toadkillerdog

    When you read this, I propose this is the new temp home of the Mighty Church of Chang!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    onde é a cabra fucker?

    by Xiphos_2

    Professing his LOVE for JJ Abrams masterpiece. Asshole life is the number 1, okay the number 2 fan, of DORK TREK.<p>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Harold and Khan go to White Castle

    by burt_flamingo

    just hire Kal Pen to play KHAN

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Jim Carrey will play all the parts.

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    If Abrams and CO. are reading any of this...

    by Lord Elric

    Guys, You pulled off the impossible. Despite my old, cranky TREK fan opinion that TREK should be moving forwards and not backwards, you won me over by sheer force of talent. Yes, there were a few flaws and one major event kinda put the kabosh on the movie high I was having. But..you did it. Now that you have the bull by the horns, so to speak, don't mess it up by blowing a great opportunity for original STAR TREK. To do something that maybe hasn't been done within the STAR TREK world. Give us "To explore strange new worlds, seek out new civilizations" Let's really go where no man has gone before. I know you can do. Now, I really know you can. So.... DO IT! Please.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by DrMorbius

    Re:My post to Sal Bando above. He didn't recognize the Khan reference on the main page, so he hasn't been in this TB all day. A nice reprieve actually.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Conti - I am watching UFC

    by toadkillerdog

    Are these guys fighting or dancing? I mean sure lots of bleeding, but they have zero conditioning. Just hanging on one another. <p> I still prefer boxing.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Elric

    by toadkillerdog

    Are you wearing a tall pointy hat?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Toad, his post makes it 'sound' like he's...

    by DrMorbius

    a young kid, hence the D&D type name.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Yo Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    'Sup?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Maybe Khan is a true Sikh this time and wears a turban

    by Bong

    Btw perhaps a good Indian actor to play an Indian character....just a thought...

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Somone must be spamming again

    by toadkillerdog

    Taking forever to load

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Gabriel Gray just did it again...

    by DrMorbius

    and he's threatening Nerd, Spaz and SAG.<P>Like my belly button...I'm Outie!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Time to take dog out for nightly 'what the fuck am I doing out h

    by toadkillerdog

    So he can stare at the moon. Maybe if I walked him over to the Avatar TB he would take a shit. <p> C'ya Morbius

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    ...out here walk

    by toadkillerdog

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    There's no accounting for taste....

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>As far as I am concerned, Trek XI suffers from a poorly written story, unimaginative artistic decisions, and a basic ignorance of the established universe they are playing in.</P> <P>If Abrams and Co are reading this: try doing some research. Take some writing lessons! Something! But since you have already stated that you will be making the sequel with the same "commercial appeal", you probably will produce the same brain-numbing summer crap that constitutes the majority of summer films. And besides, I doubt you have it in you to produce something that appeals to the intellect as well as the senses, instead of merely the latter. (consider this to be a challenge: prove me wrong).</P> <P>There are many things wrong with this movie. If it pleases a body to ignore them, that is their choice. It's a pity that standards have sunk so low, but I guess that is true of Society in general. But the acceptance and rewarding of mediocrity will only serve to continue the downward spiral.</P> <P>I'm no mere "hater", although I do dislike this movie. And if anyone would like to continue this dialog on the demerits and merits (there were a few) of this movie, I should be happy to. But if all you're going to say is "F you, hater!" then all I'm going to say is "F you too, you brainless Denebian slime devil."

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    What does "I will stab at thee" mean??

    by FreeBeer

    Is he saying he will playfully jab his dagger in Kirks general direction? Or will he poke it around in a rather more threatening fashion? If he was going to actually pierce flesh surely he would have said "I will stab thee" (yes, I'm aware Kahn is quoting literature but still.)

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Time to pontificate

    by joshuavance1701

    Let me explain something to the hyperbolic fuck cunts like Assimov blows and Kwits-shit-movie-Dune, that attack the writing of the film ad infinitum- Star Trek from it's inception, has ALWAYS been low-brow faux science you hackneyed cunt mother fuckers. <p> Star Trek is ONLY deep literary allegory ...to a fucking nine year old. That Star Trek had the luxury of courting several science fiction/classical literary illuminaries such as Harlan Ellison, or Nicholas Myer, were rare occasions and in no way shape or form defined the genre or overall theme of the series. Make no mistake, Star Trek from it's original inception was low brow, shoot at the hip, outer space fun and adventure. The format of the program permits MANY iterations, drama, horror, satire, allegory, depending on the writer of the week and angle chosen to craft the story. <p> You two or three cunts don;t know a fucking thing about Star Trek. Especially this shit head Asshole smooches that clearly jerked off to Voyager and Enterprise one too many times. <p> Abrams Trek was a hit, a damn good movie, with a HIGHLY entertaining script, so you pinhead cunts can go fuck yourselves mightily. You anhedonic cocksuckers.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Too soon

    by Dreamfasting

    It would just scream "we have no ideas, we're just remaking the old movies". I'm not against pulling elements of the old series into the new franchise, but Khan has been done as a movie ... he's an icon of a different timeline and doesn't need to be redone.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    joshuavance1701, I liked Abrams Trek

    by YackBacker

    But I hate the idea of him using Khan in a sequel. It actually undoes a lot of what the recent movie set out to create- a new universe for our old characters. Fuck rehashing familiar villains- do we really need to see how Kirk could beat Khan in a different showdown? No.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Seth Rogen for Kahn

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Cera=Kahn

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Morbius o fucker da cabra checks every Talkback

    by Xiphos_2

    For any mention of Nerd Trek, It's a sad life that the animal rapist lives. Pontificating about a forgetable movie is the fatties entire raison d' etre.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Dreamfasting

    by NoHubris

    In just about all the TBs leading up to JJ's take on TREK everyone was saying Kirk was too iconic to be redone and it still worked out due to the way the material was handled.<p>It all hinges on the details on HOW it's done imo.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Ricardo Montalban for Kahn

    by MacReady452

    he's not old as shit or anything.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    CGI Ricardo Montalban

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    its spelled Kahn

    by MacReady452

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    Star Trek was almost a decent movie... ALMOST

    by br1947

    I understand many liked it, but to me, nothing gets past the sheer idiotic moments such as Kirk's swollen hands & tongue and "flushing" Scotty. Camp is good, camp is core to TOS, but that WAS NOT CAMP! That was fucking stupid, "Bumble Bee just took a piss on someone", "Jar Jar farted", and "Indy survived in a nuked fridge" unneeded bullshit moments that destroyed any semblance of a decent film. There is no defending that. And no, those were not the only 2 bits that were dumb, just the two that are etched into my memory under the heading "WHAT THE FUCK?". Let's just pray for a better sequel, it ended well and established characters, I can see the next one being much better. If they do Khan, fine, but don't make it in the 2nd one. Give the crew time to be established as explorers first, fight a few Klingons & become battle hardened, then bring in the big bad.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Cena or Cera?

    by NoHubris

    John CENA would make a cool TREK villian in the mode of the legendary Star Fleet Captain gone bad thing.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    jettl93

    by BendersShinyAss

    Karpagh? is that seriously the best klingon name you could coe up with - the klingon greeting minus the L ?<p> guys, what were the best parts of star trek - the action in space, the enterprise beauty shots, the crew dynamic... make this film absolutely loaded with that and we're on a winner regardless of what takes place.... im hoping klingons are NOT in this next film. Kahn can wait a few films

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Dreamfasting

    Perhaps, but I wasn't one of them :) I wish I could search the AICN talkback archives ... I posted a spiel a few years back saying that the Trek franchise needed to be rebooted to the Kirk era in an alternate timeline.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    fools! the mad fools!

    by subtlety

    The great thing about WRATH OF KHAN and the character of Khan himself is that he's the perfect adversary for an aging Kirk who is dealing with his now considerable history and waning glory. To do it with these kids would just completely miss the things that made the original great -- come on, its not like Khan in himself was a particularly genius idea which is too good not to use again. Hopefully, if they MUST recycle the same crew, they'll at least give them new things to do.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Star Trek got kinda boring near the end

    by lockesbrokenleg

    mainly the tried and true, let's rescue Pike scene. Pike should have died, and that could have set Kirk off show he goes and attacks Nero. Pike's death would be the entire driving force for Kirk.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>I have no problem comparing the best episodes of TOS, TNG, DS9, and even VOY against Trek XI. Episodes like City on the Edge of Forever, The Doomsday Machine, The Best of Both Worlds, In the Pale Moonlight (just to name a *very* few) and some of the movies, run rings around Trek XI every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.</P> <P>There was more thought put into those stories than what we got in this movie. You liked it, fine. Did it do well at the box office. Sure, but so did Transformers 2. Tells me a little something about modern audiences. But you can't tell me it was a good movie, 'cause it just ain't true.</P>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by subtlety

    Actually, if memory serves, the original Star Trek pilot was rejected for being "too cerebral." It was definitely their intent to do serious sci-fi, not Buck Gordon-style space fantasy. Whether they succeeded or not is, I guess, up to you, but that was definitely the intent, I promise. Getting Harlan Ellison etc was no accident; they wanted intellectual, imaginative sci-fi writers who would embrace the series' philosophical and allegorical underpinnings. The series has it's goofy moments too but I can promise you the creators and writers took it very seriously. <br><br> The movie was indeed a hit, though, can't argue with you there.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Coordinate_System

    by lockesbrokenleg

    You are a douche. Didn't D9 also get accepted by your tired "mass audiences" argument? Fucktard. You're just a fucking new Trek Movie hater.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I'd give the new Star Trek movie 3 out of 4 stars

    by blade_walker

    Decent flick, but not the best in the series.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Klingons

    by BendersShinyAss

    There was never any real klingon war in the old series.. it was all shakey from a few bad incidences. it wasn't until the films and subsiquent series that the real battle lines were drawn up - to have a klingon war in the next film is foolish. this crew hasn't done ANY exploration - fuck bad guys, not all of trek has been about fighting bad guys. trek is so so much more and honestly.... i want them to have a real moral dilemma situation... too much to ask?

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Dreamfasting

    by NoHubris

    I remember reading a post like the one you mention, I kid you not. You had the right idea and it proved to be true.<p>When it comes to Khan, the alternative timeline is the only way to reboot him, which is basically what Nolan did with Batman and the Joker. It's been said in other TBs that TDK is a benchmark which makes sense imo. I own a VHS of Burton's Batman with the iconic Nicholson Joker, which I have watch countless times, but now Ledger owns the Joker. Same thing could happen with Khan with the right actor and alternate timeline story.

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Into the TRASHKHAAAAN!!

    by wtriker1701

    with that stooopid idea! So we got the first JJ Trek Reboot - and it was decent and very entertaining. <br> But to recycle the next movie which stands out as an alltime classic - COME OOOON!! Please don't!! Stop the Reboot-Shit! We have to draw the line! It has to end RIGHT HERE!!! <br> Do we really want STAR TREK II to X to be remade? I don't! Do I??

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>I disagree, they really trashed the Kirk character. Before, he was a studious over-achiever ("a stack of books with legs" "in his class, you either think or sink"). Here, he behaves like a frat boy from Chico State. Lose a mother, go to the Dark Side, Lose a father, become a jackass, I guess.</P> <P>The Kobayashi Maru scene, which could have been an iconic, character-defining moment, was instead treated like an afternoon at the arcade.</P> <P>This brings up another point. Starfleet Academy is like our own service academies: hard to get into, and even harder to graduate from. Kirk wouldn't have lasted 3 weeks let alone 3 years, acting as he did.</P> <P>Kirk's character wasn't the only one to suffer, Scotty was either a punchline or a Deus Ex Machina plot device (transporting onto a ship, that was lightmonths, or even lightyears away. No real need for starships, then). The less said about bloated hands, and Mr. Scott's Water theme park, the better.</P>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Reboot ENCOUNTER AT FARPOINT

    by wtriker1701

    And make it a BLOCKBUSTER!!! Would be a fresh start for TNG!

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>"Didn't D9 also get accepted by your tired "mass audiences" argument?"</P> <P>I don't know, was it? I was under the impression it had poorer ratings than TNG.</P> <P>Regardless, I didn't say the whole of DS9 (any of the series) was better than Trek XI, but I'd say that most of the episodes are.</P> <P>For the record, I'm not a douche. I don't know you, so I don't know if you're a douche. If anyone's a hater here, its you.</P> <P>Also for the record, I dislike Trek XI as much as Insurrection or Nemesis. Its too bad, with a lot more work on the story and script, it could have been something special. Ah well.</P>

  • Nov. 3, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    You guys are settin' up church in here?

    by ebonic_plague

    You know as soon as Asimov gets out of jail or whatever that he's going to spray this whole TB with his musk for several days, right? Still couldn't smell any worse than that Avatar TB though.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Coordinate_System

    by NoHubris

    I'm certainly no apologist for JJ Trek. My comments had more to do with the next film.<p>But I will say that Pine's Kirk had a different character arc because unlike Shatner's Kirk, the loss of his father clearly had an enormous, negative impact. Secondly, Pike's weight in Star Fleet is what got Kirk into and through the academy and remember, Pike felt Kirk's free wheeling ways were qualities desperately lacking but sorely needed in Star Fleet officers.<p>This is the longest I've hung with a TB in ages. I did the Ferris Bueller thing today, but not so for tommorrow. It's been fun.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Shatners life had been turned upside down within a month....

    by conspiracy

    Just two weeks ago Bill had stood on stage accepting the SPIKE award for JJ Abrams, and before that had met he and Roberto Orci for lunch. It had turned his stomach being with these men; the very men that had forced his friend Leonard Nimoy to visit him at the ranch, bent on a mission of revenge, of personal vendetta, but he had followed the script…and had taken the hand of peace and friendship they extended to him. Bill was a professional…and this was by far his greatest role, he would not let Leonard down. Yet, here, in a dark building in Downey California, he was unsure of where this was leading. Nimoy had arranged this meeting, with “the nephew of an old friend” so had he said…but by the looks of the room he couldn’t see how, or who.</p><p> Graffiti covered the walls, a large painting of Our Lady of Guadalupe surrounded by stylized Lowriders, Aztec Warriors, and “Laughing/Crying “jokers faces with a tear drop falling from one decorated wall in front of him, Behind him the word Surenos arched over a painting of a naked brown skinned woman set against the background of Flag of Mexico, the smell of marijuana hung heavy in the air. No…Bill Shatner sure as fuck didn’t have friends like this…but it was obvious Leonard did.</p><p> “Stop shaking Bill” Nimoy said as he sat on the old brown couch …”our friend in New York has arranged this…these are allies, powerful allies…and with this latest news, ones that will be all too willing to put an end to Orci and Abrams”. Bill glanced over at Nimoy, his face coated in sweat. It wasn’t often Shatner regretted his amazing size, after all it was a sign of wealth and power to be a “large” male…The Buddha was fat, various Caesars were fat, and his favorite King Henry the VIII was a big man; No Bill had big appetites, and the wealth to indulge them…but right now he regretted it as his heart strained against 300 pounds to keep pace with the anxiety building in him. “But….Leonard…these…these people…they seem to be…Mexican Mafia!” whispered Shatner , his voice rushed. “Ahh…” Nimoy said, somewhat surprised, “…you know of them, Surprising…and unexpected. And here I though you never ventured out of Brentwood” Nimoy chuckled. “ Bill…these are Surenos…allies of La Eme, street soldiers..the ones who get the jobs done for the bosses up in Pelican Bay. The Rabbi sent word to his contacts there…and they arranged for this meeting…with someone whose name you might recognize, even if his face you do not.” Nimoy looked cool…at home in such dangerous surroundings…” like Ice…” thought Shatner, “…I’m glad he never took my spotlight hogging personal…I’d be dead”</p><p> Shatner stiffened as he heard a car pull up outside, Spanish language hip-hop was playing loudly, followed by the popping sounds of air escaping from something. “Bill…I’ll do the talking. You have played your part well…Orci and Abrams are relaxing…they are still unsure about me…but they believe they have gained your trust. Now…now we start to turn up the heat, and at the same time…wait for the true enemy, my betrayer, to make his mistake. </p><p>The door swung open and in walked a large Latino man in his late 30’s. He wore a white wife beater, his arms rippling with the results of years of jail yard boredom and hours with free weights; under his left eye a single teardrop, the word Sureno was tattoo’d upon the right side of his neck, on the left bicep the words “R.I.P. Abuelo”. Leonard stood…staring at the threatening figure…and spoke hard and with authority. “Are you Ricardo Gonzalo Pedro Montalbán the III, son of Victor Montalban?” The man looked at the two old actors before him and spoke, “Who the FUCK wants to know…”, Shater steadied his breathing sure trouble was moments away, but Nimoy continued; “…Who the Fuck wants to know?” he said walking close to the mans face…holding his gaze, stopping just inches from him, and in a fast move grabbing the muscled thug by the hair said…”…The ones who are here to save the legacy and honor of your Grandfather..thats FUCKING who” And releasing the man moved away. “…I was told you would come…” the Ricardo said…”…I am sorry to disrespect you…for my grandfather ...I would do anything….to protect his honor…I would kill my own son…” Leonard looked at him hard and long….”Nothing so drastic as that…but let me tell you what two men seek to do to his legacy…and then we’ll talk about…”Killing”, you might find that more humane than they deserve” Ricardo shut the door…as Leonard began to tell him about Orci and Abrams plans for his grandfathers greatest character…..

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    For those reading my shit...Nephew should be Grandson.

    by conspiracy

    Carry on the ST Bashing/Praising.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    KKKKKKKkHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Toad

    by Continentalop

    If you are watching The Ultimate Fighter, you are seeing some of the worst physical specimens ever to fight. This season is a god damn embarrassment. <p> As for other fighters conditioning, I think Rich Franklin or Shawn Sherk can match any boxers cardio level. Heavyweights in MMA (excluding Fedor, Brock and a few others) are pretty much un-athletic goons. It suffers the same problem as boxing's heavyweight division does know - all the athletic big guys are getting into football or basketball. That is where the money is (and less head shots).

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Dreamfasting

    by DrMorbius

    If you go to the AICN Home Page there is a blue bar that lists Home Coaxial News e.t.c., to the very right is a rectangle that will google the Aicn archives. Type in your screen name and hit enter and all your previous posts will be listed. If you can recall keywords type them in too to narrow your search.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    wtriker1701

    by DrMorbius

    ENCOUNTER AT FARPOINT is fine just the way it is thank you!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>You're points are well taken, but I really doubt one can go through a service academy and not be changed. The classmates of mine from High School who attended West Point or Annapolis certainly were.</P> <P>Thanks for the civil response, and have a good day.</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by DrMorbius

    The corpulent choat will no doubt see the Kahn TB listed in the Top Talkbacks tomorrow and start his usual jack-off jeremiad!<P>Raison d'etre, HAH!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Nero was Khan

    by Wookie_Weed

    Nero has the same revenge story, so why repeat it in a second film? And JJ's Star Trek was more Starship Troopers than Star Trek. I

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    ahdvd.. Very well put..

    by Supermans

    So I will cut and paste it so people can read it again.. I Ditto this comment. Here's the problem by ahdvd Nov 3rd, 2009 12:14:25 PM The Khan of the episode is a different Khan than that of the movie, in the series he's just a dictator, bent on taking command, Kirk is just an obstacle, the thing that made him an even better villain in TWOK is that he absolutely HATED Kirk and blmed him for the death of his wife, he's almost insane, Kirk is the Moby to his Ahab, his wife being the only thing stopping him from going mad and having those feelings gnaw away at him for years - there's no way that the character of Khan could be believable going through that much of a change in so short a time that it could be contained in a movie, the best they can hope for is to introduce the Khan character within the next movie, hope the franchise continues for another couple of movies, and then bring him back as the main antagonist, otherwise the Khan of JJ's universe will pale in comparison to the original.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    Conti

    by DrMorbius

    Has CoC abandoned Twitch?<P>And is it Chris, as in Columbus?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Enterprise did a good story arc about the Augments

    by Eyegore

    Merrick. Pfft.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    I meant District 9, douchebag

    by lockesbrokenleg

    You claimed mass audiences loved Trek and Transformers, but they also loved shit like District 9, and thanks to that shitty On Demand thing, they're flocking to Paranormal Activity.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Hahaha JettL93

    by DutchRudder

    Until I hear that confirmation from Harry, that you promissed us all, weeks ago, I will continue to not believe a single, goddamn line of your bullshit.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:52 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Too bad you can't convey your arguments without resorting to childish namecalling. Anyways, in the end it's people like you that accept low standards in screenwriting and filmmaking that make the rest of us suffer. <p> You cocksucking motherfucker.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Besides, low-brow sci-fi (of which Trek undoubtedly sometimes was) still needs to be well-written. Doesn't it?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    An original story is all I ask

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Enterprise already used the whole augments story, and now the new timeline is established, they can do anything with it. I just hope they have the imagination to make another great movie. <P> I have practically no issues with Abram's Trek, I loved it through and through. They could just make it a great space adventure, if they need ideas, I have loads! <P> And if they really have to steal an old idea, use The Borg, make them scary like in First Contact.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    My main issue with "Star Trek" (2009) was the sillyness

    by blakindigo

    of scenes like the 'Scotty beams into the cooling fluid' sequence. Just too silly. But, for the most part I dig the movie. I just don't think slapstick needs to be a major element of Trek. But, it's a fun movie that did it's job of rebooting the franchise.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:57 a.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I completely agree with you, that scene was so unnecessary, and not funny. <P> But the rest of it was so much fun, I even liked the bit when Kirk has the reaction and his hands and tongue swell up. Made me laugh.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    I thought they were already casting.

    by Mr Gorilla

    Anyway. I'd just like to say that I loved the movie's adherence to the TV series, and I think they should keep that rather then re-doing any of the movies. And, yes, they should be a bit more politically conscious because that's pretty much in sci-fi anyway, and if you're not aware of it who knows what sort of unpleasant message might leak out...

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    I remember in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"

    by blakindigo

    when the new transporters were malfunctioning and the response over the com: "Captain, what we got back didn't live long…fortunately." I had chills from that scene. New Trek needs more stuff like that.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I suspect you are right about them already casting, i think this movie is alot further along than is being made out.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Khan needs setup, NewCoke Trek doesn't have it

    by JT Kirk

    Whether or not you dig the film, there's nothing supporting it on its own, everything is a comment on the real Trek or an action movie cliche taken from Star Wars or Mission Impossible III/Alias, but there's no real foundation for Khan to make a big splash the way the real Wrath of Khan did.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST

    BIG LOB.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Kirk: KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHN! <BR><BR> Big Lob: What you yelling about? I brought him to jail last night....potato chip?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy, you crazy vato!

    by YackBacker

    That was just... sublime, dude. I loved every moment of that story.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:32 a.m. CST

    I just watched JJ trek....

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    As a MASSIVE Shatner fan I went in terrified. <p> I thought it was fine, a hundred times better than Nemesis.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    That's what I call Speculative Gossiping

    by NotVeryFunny

    I guess when there's no news, you guys make up news...

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:48 a.m. CST

    ????????????? WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? STAR TREK VS. 300?????????????

    by Missing Dink

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:48 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed the new Trek.

    by Sal_Bando

    It was fun. Had no idea what to think ahead of time. Didn't Love it, mind-but it was better than it hadda right to be by a longshot. So I don't understand the problem.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:49 a.m. CST

    AAAAAABBBBRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Missing Dink

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:49 a.m. CST

    I'd be surprised if it wasn't Khan

    by Gozu

    To get really geeky, though, apparently Nero's ship does have Borg components (according to Orci and Kurtzman), so maybe they could do something with that. Also, you have Klingons and the Gorn. Just a feature length adaptation of "The Arena," only alternate-reality Kirk totally kills the lizard with a rock.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to find out how this news plays in Porto.

    by Sal_Bando

    I find it is very Shit! Very Shit! Abrams and Jar Jar Trek-fuck themm up their pero ?Asses! and Fuck Xiphos and Jarv up Asses too! Band0--is Mouth-Breeder!! PaZoozu is German and doesn't know shit about shit because he's fucking Shit and this isn't as Good as Aliens vs Predators---FUCKing up you assess---

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    HAHAHA conspiracy that was awesome

    by ominus

    i love it how you always incorporate the star trek news with your ongoing story.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    I loved New Star Trek

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I really dont get the hate, I've been a trek fan since the day i was born, ive lived the great(TOS,DS9) the good(TNG,ENT), and the god fucking awful (VOY), and all the movies have been a mixed bag. <P> Like most i do not hate Nemesis. It was a nice send off i thought, and i liked the way it mirrored Wrath Of Khan. <P> Wrath Of Khan, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country, Generations, First Contact. I loved them all, and even the ones i didnt like that much, had stuff about them that i liked. <P> The 2009 Star Trek made me grin when i left the cinema, unlike any film i have seen for years, it reminded me why i fell with Star Trek in the first place. It was the characters, so i didnt care if the Enterprises naccelles werent the right shape, i enjoyed it for what it was. <P> To all the haters, do you really think Star Trek could have survived in its earlier form? It obviously wasnt connecting with audiences anymore, but the new one does, and I'm grateful for that.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by wtriker1701

    At least TWOK is!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:06 a.m. CST

    VOYAGER'S NOT BAD!!!

    by wtriker1701

    Only some pretty foul eps, but there were also real gems among their run. ENT's a stinker... boring prequel-shit! Remake this!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    wtriker1701 You cannot be serious!

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I agree there are certainly some gems in there somewhere, but the characters were awful and dull, with the exception of the Doctor and Tom Paris I would have left the rest of them in the delta quadrant! Neelix, Q said it best by calling him a space rat! Chakotay- Space Indian! <P> Almost every plot was a recycled TOS/TNG/DS9 story. And i wonder how many of those 180 episodes, how many times were problems solved my technobabble and recalibrating the main deflector? I'm willing to bet 60-70% <P> And the biggest sin of all time, the one thing for which Voyager should be condemmed for eternity. It took one of Star Treks, nay one of televisions, best villains and turned them into an unthreatening pantomime version. Obviously I'm talking about the Borg. <P> I remember first seeing the Borg on TNG, being so curious about them, then i realised what they really were and i was hiding behind the sofa. <P> Voyager started very nicely, with some genuine conflict and interesting alien ideas, but after season 2 this was all forgotten. <P> And why, after seven years, was Harry Kim still a fucking ensign????

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Khan actors...

    by LegendaryPinkDot

    I think either Julian Sands or Rhys Ifans would make a great KHAN

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Bit of new infor for you guys

    by JettL93

    just learned last night that Ving Rhames is now the front runner to play the main klingon villian, so Ving and billy Crudup will be playing significant Klingon roles, Crudup's character is to be a franchise character you'l likley see him in other Trek films and possible gust staring in the new series we are working on, one thing we love about trek is that certain species live for a long time meaning they can show up in multiple time periods

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Kwitz you fucking douche cunt.

    by joshuavance1701

    I challenge you prick , you and that other cunt to demonstrate how exactly the script for this movie was bad. You can't do it asshole you have never had an original thought in your entire life, you just leech onto someone elses arguments. <p> For a narrative about time travel AS WELL as alternate realities I thought the script was pretty fucking solid and tight actually all things considering. Contrast the script for '09 with a flaccid turd like Generations, or Insurrection, or the Final Frontier, or Nemesis. You pale smarmy sea urchen cunt, you wouldnt know good screen-writing if it slapped you in the face with it's hard bound penile device. <p> You sit down and write a screen play that at once serves as a relaunch, reboot, time travel, alternate reality , legacy honoring screenplay you twisted piece of shit. I dare you, I fucking challenge you. <p> You tired two or three cunts aren't fucking movie critics gets the hell out of here. Bunch of arm-chair wannabe critics that don't know a fucking thing about constructing a narrative. Bite my dick KWITZ, with your shitty movie namesake.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Not to mention

    by joshuavance1701

    being both a sequel AND a prequel. <p> Orci , Kurtman, and Abrams, and the cast, deserve fat ass kudos for taking a 40 year old property, stale, old and tired, irrelevant, and making it fucking RELEVANT again.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST

    "You pale smarmy sea urchen cunt....

    by Lost Jarv

    you wouldnt know good screen-writing if it slapped you in the face with it's hard bound penile device. " <P>Funny

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Somewhere in Portugal

    by Lost Jarv

    a lonely goatherd takes time out of picking fleas off his favourite goat to read AICN. <P>He sees this news and a little piece of him dies. Swearing vengeance, he goes to LIsbon harbour to peddle his ass in return for passage to America. <P>JJ Abrams beware!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    It's true Jarv

    by joshuavance1701

    This movie was fucking epic and kicked the shit out of maximum TITS and these shitbreaths know it, they are just jealous it destroyed their shitty genre movies this summer and audiences responded to it in a major way. <p> For a Star Trek movie to make 280 million dollars , especially today, is fucking UNPRECEDENTED.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    JJ ABRAMS to LOST JERV:

    by DioxholsterReturns

    GO BACK GO BACK...YOU FOUL BEAST!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    K

    by ATARI

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    H

    by ATARI

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    A

    by ATARI

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    N

    by ATARI

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    !

    by ATARI

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    !

    by ATARI

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by BendersShinyAss

    always a pleasure

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Abrams Sucks Balls! HUGE TIME!

    by havehope

    He just sucks. Says he aint a fan but here he is trying to do Khan, "his own way". Fuck off, idiot.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST

    I was against this at first...BUT!

    by Ganymede3001

    Kahn deserves another appearance in the Star Trek mythos. This is what they need to do to really take this franchise to infinity and beyond. Now, who're they going to get to play Khan?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Sigh, remember the days when

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Hollywood used to come up with original ideas? We used to laugh at Bollywood for doing this stuff, now we've become them.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams is an evil genius

    by DioxholsterReturns

    he sucked us into his world and now, he rules all universes.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    DioxholsterReturns

    by Lost Jarv

    I think you've become confused. I have no interest in stalking him. <P>And I'm not a Portuguese goat molester.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    JJ's nose...

    by pumaman

    Every time I look at Mr Abraham's , I always think of Watto from Star Wars-The Phantom Menace. What a scary nose...:-(

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Ken watanabe.............

    by mojoman69

    Would make a great Khan. or the Indian dude from Heroes.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Too bad somebody can't have a negative opinion

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    ...about this movie without being a douchenozzle. I'm the first to admit that Star Trek needed some kind of shot in the arm to win over younger audiences but quite frankly I think they did that just by bringing in a younger crew. Pine, Quinto, Urban, Saldana, Cho and Pegg were going to attract younger viewers regardless of the script. I just don't think it wouldn't have been asking too much to have a slightly better script.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I'd rather see something new...

    by The_Crimson_King

    Star Trek was fun and left me wanting to see more, but I'd rather see something new than rehashes of old plotlines

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Please gawd no...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...Khaaaaaan! Leave the character be, it cannot be topped, doing something new with this Star Trek. Why go through all that effort to reboot and do the same thing. This is an ALTERNATIVE universe, so there is all manner of stuff they could do. And how can they top The Wrath of Khan movie anyway? Altogether now: "I did NOTHING! Except get caught with my britches down..."

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Star Trek needed more cowbells

    by ominus

    thats all

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    STAR TREK needed more short skirts

    by DioxholsterReturns

    i luved those. kept my mind busy for weeks.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I think they will do an original story

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Why go to all the effort of creating a universe where the trappings of traditional Star Trek cannon no longer apply, and then render all that work irrelevant by rehashing a story already told. <P> I dont believe for a second that the writers and director didnt already have an idea for sequels in their heads and on paper. <P> I trust them to do the right thing here, Khan will be left in the past, let's see something new and exciting to go with the wonderful swagger of new Trek.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Khan Will Appear, Original Story

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    It's a shame they didn't think of this a little earlier. Imagine if they'd ended the previous TREK movie with a feathered-hair dude running through a corridor through the end credits a la TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN between credit bits, and he runs into a dark room and says "We've just completed our analysis. The time rip happened exactly as you said it would." "Sooooooo, Kiirrrrkkhhhhhhh - at lasssst I shall heeev my reveennnnge" says the figure in shadow. BLUE SCREEN MPAA RATED etc.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Khan should be off limits

    by ballyhoo

    It makes a lot more sense to just keep establishing the new Trek-verse in big broad strokes. Show us the new Vulcans. Show us the new Romulans. Show us the new Klingons. And give us new aliens, too. Tell whatever kind of story you want: big/epic or small/character focused. But make it a new story and play by your new rules.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    KHAN IS PLAYED OUT

    by BringingSexyBack

    But I'm sure Abrams will resurrect him. Because face it. Star Trek is a cursed franchise and the sequel will destroy all hopes of a resurgence. RIP again.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Star Trek: Attack of the Khans

    by Stabby

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    If J.J. does remake Khan

    by Stabby

    He truly does not give a sh*t about Trekkies and is only making these films for general audience. Which if this is the case then it makes no sense to use Khan, because his audience will not have seen the original film anyway. Unless, he is truly bankrupt of original ideas,

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Didn't they do a Khan story on Enterprise?

    by Stabby

    I agree with BSB that Khan is played out.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I say bring him back

    by Bob Falfa

    Imagine if, a couple of years ago, the Nolan bros decided the Joker and Twoface had been done to death. TDK is now the gold standard for Comic Book movies.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Actor to play Khan.

    by reaganjn

    Javier Bardem??

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Bob Falfa

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Sorry, but you said TDK is the gold standard. I have to disagree with you, I liked TDK but i didnt enjoy it. <P> It was too clinical, technically brilliant but detached, when i left the cinema i felt depressed. I think Iron Man is more like the gold standard, it was a proper comic book movie, not a depress fest.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Donor

    by Lost Jarv

    of course you can have a negative opinion and not be a douchenozzle. It's just unfortunate that most negative opinions are held by douchenozzles and ten to be pathetic typically trekkie virginal quibbling complaints.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg, joshuavance1701

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>I presume that all of the namecalling is just trolling, in order to keep the argument going, so I'm not going to lower myself to that level, but if you are referring to me personally, then it would be most helpful to use my handle somewhere in the insult, so that I can know that you are indeed referring to me. Vague descriptions like Douche or Cunt could refer to anyone, including yourselves. :)</P> <P>But I did hear a challenge in there: demonstrate how Trek XI script was so bad. I'll see what I can cobble together afternoon/evening.</P> <P>As for District 9, I found it to better written and acted than Trek XI. Not perfect, but certainly better. The fickle masses didn't like it as much as the other summer fare, but they did respond to it, so perhaps all hope is not lost.</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Coordinate_System

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    You don't need to cobble together anything. It's been mentioned by enough people on various Trek TB's since the summer why the script was lacking in spots. I'm the first to admit that Trek was lightyears better than the other Orci/Kurtzman project (Transformers 2) this summer, but it also could have been considerably better with some minor tweaks here and there. Too much stuff was just completely glossed over and done for convenience. In a word, the script was lazy.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Nothing w/in that interview..

    by lprothro

    Implies to me that they are seriously considering doing Khan, sounds more like the interviewer backed him into a corner and he gave an elusive, evasive answer. And that's a good thing. I'd like to see something covered in the films that was only glossed over or overlooked in the series. For me that's the Gorn.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    It's not that Khan is played out

    by Star Hump

    It's that Star Trek is totally fucking played out. It's a dead husk. It's all rehashed horsehit, and has been for decades now. That last film was a goddamned abortion, I don't care how much money it made. But people still want to roll around in this tired old shit, which is fine. More power to ya.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    wtriker

    by DrMorbius

    At least twok is what?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Look, I just got off the phone with Javier Bardem

    by YackBacker

    He asks that you all stop mentioning him in the same conversation as J.J. Abrams. He says "My considerable body of work should preclude me from being mentioned as an actor in anything of this sort. I am a man who lives within my means, I do not have an entourage or several million-dollar mansions around the world. I like salted cod and playing futbol with my nephews. And I'm banging Penelope Cruz, so... please fuck off. Gracias."

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    my superior intellect

    by NAUGHTYUSMAXIMUS

    loved the reboot so why not? as long as its not a bollywood style movie,that would suck!!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Suggestion

    by Abraham

    I would set the new Star Trek movie in an alternate universe. Young Kirk and the Enterprise crew are exploring an uncharted region of space and pass into the Mirror Universe. Old Kirk is there, but as Emperor Tiberius. Giving a chance for William Shatner to appear, but as the Big Bad vs. young Kirk. In this universe, everything is flipped. The Klingons, Gorn, Romulans, and Borg are the good guys. And the bad guys are the Vulcans, Bajorans, Andorians, and humans, all ruled by Tiberius. Khan would be young Kirk's best friend and ally. There is a multi-universal law that young Kirk discovers: If you die in one universe, you die in all the others. He faces a dilemma in having to fight Tiberius and kill him. There would be an epic battle at the end between Tiberius' Terran Empire and young Kirk's Federation 2. That plot would certainly defy expectations and it would end the over-reliance on time travel. I doubt it would fly in Hollywood. What do you think?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    drmorbius and Drsambeckett1984

    by wtriker1701

    TWOK is fine just the way it is thank you! <br> Sry, had to do that! <p> Drsambeckett1984, you're right. The VOY-Crew killed the Borg (and I mean the writer's staff, NOT uneven "main"characters on board). BUT I'll never regret watching the whole series. I've had similar problems with TNG also (Hugh!). But there are gems in all of the incarnations - as there are plain stupid episodes! The stupidity percentage rate just grew exponentially with ENT!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Abraham there is only one problem with your idea

    by Stabby

    The Vulcans have been genocided.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Joshua / Locke are Kurtzman/Orci

    by subtlety

    come on, there's no other reason anyone would defend that mess so passionately. And their writing skills seem about on par too. Zing!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Oh no they cunt - Oh yes they can

    by Miguel De Barioz

    My father told me this would be a funny play on words that the yankees would enjoy.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Abraham

    by Miguel De Barioz

    I laugh so much at your idea! It's so shit! In my village we have just started getting Star Trek enterprise - everyone hates it, we wish he was still doing Quantam Leap. When we all go to the hall to watch Star Trek next week I shal mention your idea Abraham.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Abraham

    by Miguel De Barioz

    I laugh so much at your idea! It's so shit! In my village we have just started getting Star Trek enterprise - everyone hates it, we wish he was still doing Quantam Leap. When we all go to the hall to watch Star Trek next week I shal mention your idea Abraham.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    by Abraham

    You are correct, Stabby! They would also be genocided in the Mirror Universe. Maybe young Spock could fight the evil Mirror Spock. Of course, this Mirror Universe would be somewhat different from the one in the TV series. Maybe one of the Mirror Universes. Kirk would be young in one universe and old in the other because time flows differently. Spock would explain it. At the end, young Kirk imprisons Tiberius in a stasis field so neither dies.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Miguel

    by Abraham

    I'm so ignorant that I don't know if "It's so shit!" is a compliment or an insult. But I'm glad you enjoyed the idea.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Isn't it obvious that Jonathan Archer is

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Sam Beckett, having leapt into the future, at the real end of the series we see him leap out!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    HOW ABOUT A NEW VILLAIN?

    by Mullah Omar

    Or maybe bump up a second-tier guy from an old episode who showed some promise? <br> <br> There should me no shortage of material they could pillage and rework into something special. Khan seems to be the high watermark of the films and Abrams would do well to avoid a direct competition with that legacy. <br> <br> So pick a different villain and make that person iconic.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Subtlety

    by Boborci

    Maybe it's my mother, but we never hide behind other names.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    JJ will remake "The Doomsday Machine"

    by InActionMan

    That way he gets to blow up more planets. JJ loves to blow up planets.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Boborci

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    A suggestion, if I may. DON'T go the Khan route. Get STAR TREK back to the concept of exploration...the seeking out new life and new civilizations stuff. Trying to up the ante with new villains (or old ones) is what effectively killed the franchise. It's time to bring TREK back to larger issues and more mysterious concepts.<P>Mind you, I'm not a Trekker/Trekkie. I just don't want to see the new franchise go back to that long, dried well.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    cylon

    by Kaitain

    "and I hope they DON'T re-cast Khan." <p> You think they should stick with Montalbán?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Bob

    by YackBacker

    I hope you're well. Don't fucking ruin the new series by rehashing Khan. You take care, now. Say hi to your mother for me.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    No Khan, Bob

    by FeedTheGoat

    Do something different. It's not hard.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    by Drsambeckett1984

    " I know where we have to go. The galactic core". <P> "Captain, No ship has ever gone within a light year of the core. We would be torn apart" <P> " No we won't Spock. You've gotta trust me" <P> " Trust has nothing to do with this, I am simply stating facts". <P> " Consider them stated. Mr Sulu, set course for the centre of the galaxy. Maximum warp"

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    boborci, my bad if this is too 'effing' long —

    by blakindigo

    I'm guessing the hardest part of writing something like this is to bring narrative limitations to the new timeline while still keeping the Trek lore intact. So, currently Kirk as a character has facile characterization and it's a good starting point. I'm assuming that in the second movie, the challenge of commanding of a starship and how his character is defined in moments of crisis is going to be the spine. At this point, Khan would wipe the floor with Kirk, mentally AND physically. Kirk just isn't seasoned enough to defeat him.<br><br>But, what does Kirk want? What's at stake for him now that he's in command of the Enterprise? And, what does he have to lose? He's cocksure and capable, but what is he afraid of? What are questions we've never asked about Kirk, those hidden motivations that are the backbone of his character?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Boborci

    Don't disagree with you. A villain and a deep sci-fi theme may not be mutually exclusive.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    FeedTheGoa

    by Boborci

    "Do something different. It's not hard." <p> Agree that doing something different is not hard. Doing something different with something familiar... that's hard.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    blakindigo

    by Boborci

    All good questions, truly

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    My bad if those questions sound like a 'studio executive'?

    by blakindigo

    :)

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the reply, Bob

    by FeedTheGoat

    You sound like you're worried about pissing off the hardcore fans! Too late, fella...<p>The ship and the crew are familiar; nothing else needs to be. Just go crazy. See what comes out.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the reply, man. Best of luck—

    by blakindigo

    — I know you lot got a lot of pages to fill…

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I liked STAR TREK (2009)...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    But then again, I didn't like the cheesy, cardboard and pasty makeup elements of the original series. Nor did I really care for STAR TREK 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, or 10. Of course, each of them had some nice moments (like 3 and 6). The rest just sucked. <p> If you have to redo one of the films, I suggest that you redo the entire V-GER storyline. That actually had potential. </p>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Big question:

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    How much does Spock Prime tell the young crew of the Enterprise? Does he tell them to avoid the Botany Bay? Does he tell them to get some Humpback Whale calves and return them to the future? Does he warn them that the Genesis project is a disaster in the making?<p>I think that his input will be extremely important to the new timeline. </p>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    BTW...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    STAR TREK 2 was the best sci-fi film ever made. Seriously. Yet, I totally enjoyed the new film! It was the first TREK film since TWOK that made me want to watch it over and over again.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Bob..My Old Friend...

    by conspiracy

    Please...do not boldly go where others have gone before. Prove to us all that you really ARE a writer with an ounce of creativity and make a movie with your own god damned storyline and characters.</p><p>And no...creativity does not mean putting more chompers and smashers in the Steam Punk Engine room for your characters to use as silly slap stick devices. Here is a clue...easily broken, transparent coolant tubes winding around without reason for your characters to get transported into is full on Galaxy Quest my friend.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    blakindigo...Kirks Motivations...

    by conspiracy

    Banging his way from one of the the galaxy to the other.</p><p>His fears? How to do this woithout getting brough up on sexual harrasment charges or being thrown out an airlock.</p><p> Seriously..there are lots of places you could take THIS version of Kirk, the feelings of abandonment after his mother obviously spend most of her time off planet after hubby was offed; the pressure to live up to the "George Kirk" Legacy...which might make for some reckless behavior, or his loneliness being in command at such a young age with few to lean on who are not his subordinates, which might make for leadership issues as he does not want to piss of the only REAL family he has. Like I said..lots of area to explore.</p><p>However...I predict we will get more easily fascinated Vulcans, "sassy" Uhura moments, Douche Bag Scotty unfunniness with his "why the fuck is he here..I didn't know you could keep bipedal pets in Star Fleet" sidekick, and a big heaping does of SLush flavored lens flares.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Denny Kahhhhhhhhnnnn!!!

    by damned-dirty-ape

    Can't believe no one has done that one yet.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    "...Doing something different with something familiar... that's

    by conspiracy

    If you need help Roberto..you got my email...we'll do lunch and talk about points.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Here Lies The REAL Problem

    by havehope

    Abrams says he was never a fan of the original series but decides to use the original crew and make them into Abercrombie & Fitch kiddies. But wait, he does not stop there. He makes the movie look like a poor imitation of Star Wars thus alienating the Trek fans and making this new filth, short-term junk. Fuck You, Abrams. HH

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    KHAN-spiracy!

    by YackBacker

    See, I did something new there with familiar elements- I took conspiracy's screen name and applied it to a familiar villain. I'm gonna call myself creative now!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Fuck, I just had a dreaful thought

    by YackBacker

    A mirror universe story in which Kirk and Khan are buddies (like Riggs and Murtaugh) and in which Orion slave girls are all virgins! Fuuuuuck!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    "…lots of places you could take THIS version of Kirk…"

    by blakindigo

    Excellent points in that paragraph. Those ideas are truly worth exploring and could help alleviate some of the inherent pitfalls of the commander-on-the-bridge moments that at worst, grind the show to a halt. Using this bigger, unexplored canvas, and the fresh start that the new direction gives them, there are some really good choices to make.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Another dreadful thought

    by NoHubris

    A mirror universe where green Orion slave girls do their version of the "French can-can dance" only it's a hero worship dance to Khan, called the Khan-Khan.<p>Just youtube the French can-can and you'll get the picture. :-)

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Rachel Nichols needs to be resurrected for the sequel

    by YackBacker

    Just 2 hrs of Nichols playing "Hide the phaser" in her quarters. Guaranteed $500 million domestic, trust me Bobby.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Rachel Nichols was super hot

    by ominus

    her playboy pics is one of my little treasures.ahem.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    YackBacker..Agreed, Rachel Nichols MUST survive.

    by conspiracy

    Her Character would serve as a nice foil for Kirk. Have her survive the last battle, and be sent to work the Enterprise. There is potential for the Orion characters to add some "spice"...given their effect on human males.</p><p>Besides...if Orci, Kurtzman, and Abrams don't write her in, she's doomed to career based on Comic-Con appearances.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Then again...

    by conspiracy

    given that we all know her name based off of 3 minutes of screen time in Star Trek, a little more in G.I.Joe and a few risque shots...The Comic-Con Career might be unavoidable at this point

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Fuuuuuk...Where did Bob go?

    by conspiracy

    Stay and chat a while Roberto. Fuckin Bob moves faster that a Thai Hooker leaving David Carradines room.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    I'm going to start calling Bob "Kari Sweets"

    by YackBacker

    All thongs and covered up nipples, that fucking tease.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog and DrMorbius...

    by Lord Elric

    Actually, I'm a "first generation" Trek fan, the "old ones" who actually gave Trek it's second and third lives, and probably older then almost all of the talkbackers. My name is real. It's one of my middle names. The Lord part...eh, partly from my heritage, partly me being a wiseass. Look, I posted months ago about not caring for the concept. I always thought it was just a big retro thing, and not really indicative of where Trek should be going. The movie is deeply flawed but hell, except for one very depressing major event, they won me over. I thought the cast was great, especially with what they were given, and knowing what they were in for. It's an alternate timeline anyways, so it's "Speculative Trek"© ;). But yes, next time they really must concentrate on better writing and maybe better editorial choices. If they had actually shot the Countdown comic and somehow got it into the movie, it would've patched up a lot of holes.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    JETT IS A FULL OF CRAP AHOLE AND A LIAR

    by SuperWelling

    hes probably a stupidass Glorified PA he said spidey 4 and 5 will be filming at the same time recently wich THEY WILL NOT BE HEZS FULL OF PURE SHIT! KAHN WILL BE IN JJ WANTS HIM FUCK THAT TOOL JETT

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    agreed harry mud Jett93L is acompletely Full of shiT!

    by SuperWelling

    Most of his staement are completely innaccurate and hes a fucking DOUCHE!lol

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Lord Elric

    by DrMorbius

    Sorry for the speculation on my part. No offense intended, sir.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    REALITY CHECK TIME FELLAS

    by Dark Doom

    1) 75% of Americans of military age are too stupid, fat or high school dropouts and can't get in military. Umm your demo not mine. 2) TWOK, Star Wars ANH, Alien and many other movies were made with limited budgets that caused people to be CREATIVE!!! 3) Money and CGI eye candy do not make for a good movie. 4) Most people make movies to make money, while a few make art. 5) Finally ST lives or dies with the writers. TOS, TNG, DS9, VGR and ENT ALL HAD SHITTY EPISODES.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius...

    by Lord Elric

    None taken, Sir. Given the usual nature of the talkbacks,it's not unusual to assume the worst. :)

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    OJ Simpson as Kahn

    by Dark Doom

    "From Hell's heart I stab at thee." Really has a different feel now huh?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Elric re: Star Trek

    by toadkillerdog

    The meaning of my post actually had to do with the scifi/fantasy character Elric of Melnibone. He was satirized in the Great comic book: Cerebus the Aarrdvark. His name in the comic was Elrod of Melvinbone, and his claim to fame - besides speaking like Foghorn Leghorn and carrying a black sword; black because it was completely rusted, was his 'Tall pointy hat'. His symbol of authority. <p> I thought Star Trek was wonderfully cast, but the motarded script with the insane coincidences just ripped me out of the movie. The horrible direction, and the truly fucked up characterization of Kirk just killed me as well. And speaking as a former member of the military, there is no fucking way, in no fucking century, in no fucking galaxy populated by human beings, that a disgraced cadet can go from being on the verge of being kicked out of the academy to being promoted to Captain of a fucking garbage scow let alone a Starship! <p> It was dumbass, and truly lazy writing such as that; and future Spock being on the same planet as a marooned Kirk. Who was kicked off a ship during a war - in warp? Why? Why? Stun his ass. Lock him in a brig. Drug him if you think he will somehow jimmy the lock. Put the hottest and horneist yeoman in the brig with him and let him fuck his brains out. But you cant come up with any other excuse to allow Kirk to meet future Spock? Not to mention Scotty being on the same planet who just happens to invent a device that can transport to a ship in warp! <p> It was that and the pussification of Kirk who was one of the greatest fighters of all time. <p> It was terrible writing and direction. That being said, the movie was not horrible, it had some moments that provied popcorn entertainment. But if boborci or anyone else involved has read this far, then do one thing: Focus on the fucking Enterprise! It aint a prop! It is the star!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Hey TKD....

    by DrMorbius

    'Sup? Pretty slow day, Nerd and Spaz have made the Avatar TB useless, I guess all Harry is interested in is post count, most people have abandoned it much like Twitch. Conti thinks JettL is Chris (Columbus ?).

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Hey Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

    I have the game on - Godzilla just hit one out. Busy day for me, could not have logged on if I wanted to. <p>Columbus? Really?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    TKD....That was a question...

    by DrMorbius

    In his post yesterday he called him Chris. What's the score? Inning? I'm not near a TV.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    2 -1 NYY top of 3rd

    by toadkillerdog

    Oh, ok. Maybe it is Chris Nolan! Ha!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Javier Bardem is Khan!

    by Tall_Boy66

    It's a cliched suggestion by now, and I would be fine if they didn't go Khan. But if they did Khan it up you gotta go with Bardem. You know it to be true! (Although, you can't do Khan in one movie. Just can't. He has to be in at least 2 movies, one with him waking up and getting to know Kirk & Co, and the next movie he pops up there's some serious Wrath of Khan going on.) I will say, I do want to see Pine do "KKKKAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNNN!!!!!" The timeline is kind of "repairing" itself (as per a line cut from the script) so things would play out the same. Or same ish. So there's still a "KKKKAAAAHHHHHNNNNNNNN!!!" in Kirk's future one day. Maybe.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    I think V'Ger got dealt with in the new timeline

    by Tall_Boy66

    V'Ger pops up in the "Nero" comic mini-series, which the story was generated by Orci / Kurtzman ala the Countdown comic mini-series, which was a damn close to canon as you can get. So no V'Ger in this timeline. Which is good. Of all the things to dredge up out of prime continuity, V'Ger ranks up there somewhere with Feregni and their love of getting off on rubbing ears.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    You might be right.....Nolan!

    by DrMorbius

    If you 'run' into Conti, ask him.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Gotta run some errands,,,,,,Go Yanks!

    by DrMorbius

    Later TKD.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    anything else on this thread

    by Boborci

    before I go?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I will read your insults

    by Boborci

    until midnight tonight.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    bob

    by toadkillerdog

    Just focus on the Enterprise as the star next time

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    4 - 1 NYY top of 4th Morbius

    by toadkillerdog

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Ok, Boborci. I will give it a shot

    by toadkillerdog

    I will say this for what it is worth: While I loved the TOS, I do realize that what works for TV does not always or necessarily translate to the big screen. In TV, you have time to build on characters and situations over years -if you get the opportunity. The thoughtful and introspective eps - the ones that did not get too preachy, were great, but when they tried that on the big screen, we got, Star Trek: The Barely moving Motion Picture.<p> The reason Wrtha of Khan is so loved is because it returned to the kick ass eps of Star Trek and it focused on the true star - the Enterprise in battle! <p> Yes, Kirk, Spock and Bones need to be string as well, but the Ship is the true star. <p> I am not saying saying it must be battle without plot or characterization. One of the greatest TOS eps is the 'submarine in space' - not the real title, battle between the Enterprise and the Romulans. It was magnificent. The tension waas palpable. That is what WOK captured. <p> WOK was also a much 'smaller' movie. Primarily because they did not have the budget of the first one. But it proved that you do not have to be 'bigger and better'. Just tell a ripping yarn. And make the Enterprise the Star!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Hey Boborci: Delta/Gama Quadrants

    by Tall_Boy66

    So if the Borg or Dominion showed up, would they have had any effect on the timeline change, or would they basically be the same?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Dang, I have re-captured the title King of Typos

    by toadkillerdog

    Too many to list

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Oh and also, Boborci

    by Tall_Boy66

    What do you have to say to the people who are 100% convinced that the Prime Timeline was destroyed? Go check out Trekweb, there's a few posters who restate again and again that we've never seen splinter timelines on Trek, it's always changes that affect the characters, so that means the Prime timeline is gone forever. Do you think there's any plausible way to show in a future movie that the Prime timeline is still out there? Sorry if my questions kinda suck, I'm at work now but at least I'm getting paid to goof off and write on AICN. CHA-CHING!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Boborci—

    by blakindigo

    Forgive the geekery in this post— I don't know if you read or used to read comics. But, a few years ago J. Michael Straczynski wrote a "Spider-Man" story arc which hinged on this central question: Was the radioactive spider that bit Peter Parker an accident, or was the spider trying to give him something before it died? It was a question that no one had asked before and turned the character's world upside-down.<br><br>I know, I know, two different franchises and even by stretching the metaphor it doesn't really relate to Star Trek. But, can that kind of thinking can lead to new unexplored directions with the characters? Can you explore additional motivations of Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhuru, Sulu, Chekov, etc.? Is there seeds in TOS that you, Kurtzman and Abrams can explore, extrapolate and dramatize to deepen our understanding of them? Are their any secrets that they have? What ghosts haunt them (especially after this movie Spock has a pretty big one, and once explored, Kirk definitely has one.)? Can I stop typing a sentence that doesn't end in a fucking question mark?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Khan was my first crush.

    by Miss 45

    No kidding. Of course I also have a crush on Magneto. Something about white-haired genetically superior guys with big torsos....

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Nope. Not Nolan

    by Continentalop

    His initials are CB I believe. And he is nobody you know. Trust me. <P> If you "see" him, ask him if he is a Pink Floyd fan. I wanna see how he reacts.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Yanks pouring it on!

    by toadkillerdog

    Go! <p> 7-1 btm 5th

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Khan: first remake of a Trek villain?

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    for shame.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Bob, steal this idea:

    by YackBacker

    Bring back Sybok as a leader among the remaining Vulcans. Think of him as a Vulcan Zionist- cast in the mold of Jabotinsky. You can show how some Vulcans question logic as it has left them defenseless. Any group that suffers the genocide that they have will likely recoil and become defensive. Sybok can be a charismatic leader to speak to those feelings. Have him do some desperate measures (terrorism?) to hurt those whom he believes are enemies of Vulcan (Romulans, probably). And Kirk and crew have to face down Sybok in order to maintain galactic peace.<p> That's taking something old-- and in need of a new take (Sybok) and doing something new with it. And Spock has a new perspective on emotions as a result of losing his mother in the last movie, so maybe he too finds Sybok persuasive.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Conti

    by toadkillerdog

    It is Chris Brown!

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    i got a Q for ya Bob

    by BendersShinyAss

    whats the deal with Jettl93?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:03 p.m. CST

    What is often overlooked about Khan...

    by NoHubris

    ...is that in the Trek universe, he and his misdeeds are an enormous part of Earth history. His era was characterized by the last of the world wars and he was a driving force, in the center of all the conflict.<p>No other TREK villian seems to match him in that regard.<p>BTW although he was supposed to have ruled in the mid 1990s, there is a line of dialogue (from Spock?) that says "Records of that period are fragmented however." IMHO therein lies the opportunity to take the Khan story in another direction.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    On the Popularity of Movies

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>Based on this summer, its highly tempting to say that the Popularity/Box Office Receipts of a movie is proportional to amount of spectacle (i.e. the sensory appeal) and inversely proportional to the “intelligence” (a subjective measure, no doubt) of the film (script, story, dialog, etc). Looking at just three data points from this summer: District 9, Star Trek XI, and Transformers 2, I would personally rank them as follows :</P> <P>The Writing (proportional to the Intelligence of the movie): Transformers 2 < Star Trek XI << District 9.</P> <P>Based on the amount of “spectacle” in the movie, I would rank them thusly: District 9 < Trek XI < Transformers 2. This ranking also follows the amount of money each movie made. The box office receipts would seem to bare out my earlier supposition that Spectacle and Box Office are proportional.</P> <P>However, reality isn’t usually that simple, and this is no exception. Consider the box office receipts of The Dark Knight. I thought that this was the best of last year’s crop of movies (I didn’t see every movie that came out last year, but of the few that I did see, this was the best): well written, acted, and realized (yes, I liked Iron Man, warts and all, but it doesn’t compare, sorry). It had enough spectacle to keep the attention of average movie goers, but the script was intelligent enough to keep me happy (even if I didn’t fully buy into some of the characters and their motivations). And TDK went on to do over a billion dollars of business worldwide.</P> <P>But how much of its business was derived from a morbid interest in the death of Heath Ledger (very good performance in TDK, no doubt about it)? I have no way of factoring that out, but even then, TDK shows how a film that appeals to both the senses and the intellect could still make money at the box office. Obviously, this is a gamble. A payoff is not assured, and indeed, is less likely than a movie made purely for the spectacle. </P> <P> So, Abrams, Orci, or Kurtzman, if any you are reading this, make Trek XII a Dark Knight, and not a Transformers 2. I still won’t take back what I’ve said about Trek XI, but you will be in my good graces. :-)</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Part II

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>Based on the amount of “spectacle” in the movie, I would rank them thusly: District 9 < Trek XI < Transformers 2. This ranking also follows the amount of money each movie made. The box office receipts would seem to bare out my earlier supposition that Spectacle and Box Office are proportional.</P> <P>However, reality isn’t usually that simple, and this is no exception. Consider the box office receipts of The Dark Knight. I thought that this was the best of last year’s crop of movies (I didn’t see every movie that came out last year, but of the few that I did see, this was the best): well written, acted, and realized (yes, I liked Iron Man, warts and all, but it doesn’t compare, sorry). It had enough spectacle to keep the attention of average movie goers, but the script was intelligent enough to keep me happy (even if I didn’t fully buy into some of the characters and their motivations). And TDK went on to do over a billion dollars of business worldwide.</P> <P>But how much of its business was derived from a morbid interest in the death of Heath Ledger (very good performance in TDK, no doubt about it)? I have no way of factoring that out, but even then, TDK shows how a film that appeals to both the senses and the intellect could still make money at the box office. Obviously, this is a gamble. A payoff is not assured, and indeed, is less likely than a movie made purely for the spectacle. </P> <P> So, Abrams, Orci, or Kurtzman, if any you are reading this, make Trek XII a Dark Knight, and not a Transformers 2. I still won’t take back what I’ve said about Trek XI, but you will be in my good graces. :-)</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Hey Bob

    by joshuavance1701

    One request for the sequel, in all sincerity, Kirk's gotta bust the flying drop kick on some villainous piece of shit.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Trek XI: A Series of Unfortunate Events

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>Here is a brief list of the problems that I had with this movie, in the order that I can recall them, as well as some, hopefully, constructive criticism.</P> <P> Why not start out as complete reboot? Like the Marvel Ultimate line of comics, the movie could have started fresh, and not have to worry about continuity. The premise could have been retooled to accommodate the advancement of time and knowledge. Want to revisit Khan? The 1990’s have come and gone and no Eugenics Wars? No problem. In the “Ultimate” Trek universe, they occurred in the 2090’s instead. Cochrane’s warp flight, the foundation of the Federation, etc is also similarly advanced in time. Add some more time for earth to recover from the Eugenics Wars/WWIII. Get the picture? It’s a little late now, but you get the idea.</P> <P>The movie is essentially a sequel to a comic book. Important plot elements central to the movie are (so I’ve heard, I haven’t read the thing) developed in the comic book prequel. From Nero’s motivations (although they are briefly mentioned in the movie) to the appearance and technology of the Narada, the story depends on an external non-movie source. I’ve nothing against comics. I have no problem with movies based on comics, or even comics based on movies. But comics and movies are not on the same plane, and grafting them together, in my opinion just doesn’t work. You could point out that TWOK or Serenity had similar flaws, and you would be correct to do so, but those movie’s strengths allow me to forgive much. In short: sequels to movies or even to TV series: acceptable if well done. Sequels to or continuations of comics: weak and lazy.</P> <P>The drama is rushed. Too much mayhem to really connect to the drama. From Kirk’s death scene to the demise of Vulcan, I don’t’ really have time to connect with events on the screen. Just too much spectacle. These scenes were just a series of unfortunate events, and nothing more. I’ve read that some people were “moved” by Kirk’s self-sacrifice and death. Really? I guess they must need institutionalization after watching the average “chick flick” emo-crapfest (I’m being a little harsh perhaps…). Rushed drama = No dramatic tension.</P> <P>The character development. Of all the things to “reimagine”, the characters are perhaps the worst choice, with one exception. As I’ve noted before, Kirk’s character went from being a confident over-achiever to an annoying frat boy. That’s not an improvement. And even better, he gets to skip over his years of advancement (and learning) by going from a third year academy student to captain of the Federation flagship. So, no serving on the USS Republic or Farragut, etc. Seems to me that they are cutting out experiences that are central to the development of the character, in order to get him directly into the captains chair by the end of the episode.</P> <P>Since when is Scotty comic relief? Sure he could drink a Kelvan under the table or have a bar room fight with Klingons and have a good time doing it, but he is essentially a serious fellow. Comparisons have been made between Mr. Scott and his little friend and C3PO and R2D2, but he just isn’t that kind of character. “The man is not a punch line.”</P> <P>One bit of characterization that I didn’t mind: Spock. In the TOS, he was always struggling with his human half, identifying primarily with his Vulcan side. After TMP and beyond, he seemed more at ease with his human half. This time around, he is starting out more comfortable with his human half. I don’t disagree with this, but I want to see how this plays out.</P> <P>The artistic design: The external appearances of the star ships were interesting, I would like to get a closer look at the other ships in the task force that left space dock, though. The space dock visualization was well implemented, even if its design was pedestrian.</P> <P>I’m not a big fan of the new Enterprise, but I’m not a fan of the appearance of the 1701-D, either, but I learned to stomach it eventually. The interior spaces on the Enterprise/Kelvin were just flat out ridiculous. I’ve heard that they filmed some of those scenes in a brewery. Oh, that’s imaginative. And building the thing out in the open in Iowa, outside of a highbay or clean room, I don’t think so. In real life I help build (mere) satellites and not starships, but I’m willing to bet that a starship is not going to look like a water treatment plant or be assembled in the snow. And what’s up with those plastic curtains on the shuttle that the Kelvin’s captain pilots? Did he take the frozen produce shuttle over to the Narada? C’mon production designer, earn your pay!</P> <P>The Science and Engineering. OK, this series has warp drive, transporters (including the laughable Heisenberg Compensators), and, at least during the run of TNG, a subscription to the Particle of the Month club. So, perhaps I can’t complain too much, therefore, I am going to write off the black hole as a “spatial/temporal anomaly” and not really a singularity, in the “traditional sense”. However, the anomaly generator/lava lamp is fair game. This is not the first time Mr. Abrams has displayed his lava lamp fetish, but if he’s looking for some sort of directorial stamp or signature, then he needs to find a better one. Floating masses of Red liquid are just silly looking.</P> <P>According to Classic Spock, the event which destroyed Romulus and sent Nero over the edge, was that a nearby star, according to the comic, the Hobus star, was about to go supernova (a slight bit of hyperbole on the part of Classic Spock, a supernova or even the hypothetical hypernova wouldn’t threaten the entire galaxy, but even if it did, the threat would only move at the speed of light). Its apparent close proximity to Romulus, on the order of a few lightweeks, would seem to make it unlikely that its condition would go unnoticed. Since the shockwaves would take weeks to reach Romulus, it would come as no surprise to a warp-drive capable civilization.</P> <P>But even if Romulus is completely lost in the future, Nero’s trip to the past would have been better spent warning Romulus, giving them all the marvelous 24th century Borg Tech (the Narada) and then going to kill Spock, et. al. Apparently in the deleted scenes, the damage done by the Kelvin allowed the Klingons to capture them. Why didn’t the Klingons capitalize on their advantage? How did Nero and co. recapture the Narada?</P> <P>I could continue: the destruction of Vulcan done (apparently) only for shock value; Sulu’s mishandling of the helm for comedic effect, ignorance of the lingo (Starfleet is the peace keeping armada, the Federation is the political authority over it; and it’s called a starbase, not a Starfleet base), Kirk, Spock (classic and new), and McCoy coincidentally being in the right places (starfleet academy, the ice planet, etc.) at the right times and so forth and so on…</P> <P>Here’s some free advice to the production team. Go back the memory-alpha.org website, amongst others, and do real research this time. Then go out, and buy the blu ray sets of TOS and watch them. Get a decent feel for the characters. Next come up with a really compelling story that doesn’t just appeal to the adrenaline/cheap thrill junkies. Put some real thought into it. Who knows, if you keep it up you just might earn some real acclaim, not just a large paycheck.</P> <P>As for some the few things that I did like: The music. Not Mr. Giacchino’s best effort, and nowhere near Goldsmith’s or Horner’s contributions to the series, that’s not a disparagement as few can approach them, but still listenable. As loath as I am to give them anymore of my money, I did plunk down for the CD.</P> <P> The special effects were competently done, though in an era were special effects are common place, they didn’t stand out.</P> <P>One personal thing: although I disagree with the Enterprise being built on the ground, I did like the scenes of the farmlands with the large Vehicle Assembly Buildings in the background. I grew up in a farming community, and during the long hot summers, I would always imagine large futuristic buildings in the distance, interspersed amongst the green fields (don’t ask me why, I just did). I didn’t like the Nokia product placement, the pop song, or the classic car chase scene (I presume the canyon was an excavation for a future VAB, and not a natural feature) (as an aside, why is that when someone in the future always looks back to the past, they always seem to be fixated on 20th century? I was just there, and, culturally, it wasn’t that good.), but I did like the farmlands and futuristic buildings, so thanks for that one.</P> <P>And that’s all for now.</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Coordinate_System

    by NoHubris

    Agreed, regarding Star Trek vs. Transformers 2. The human element in Trek (e.g. self sacrifice of Kirk's father, Kirk/Pike rapport, Spock's family, etc.) places it entirely in another league.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    You seriously didn't like George's sacrifice cause it was "rushe

    by Tall_Boy66

    Jesus Christ, what else did you need to establish the character? He's a new father. Going off to his death to save his wife who is giving birth to his child. this is fairly easy to establish the character and to put emotional investment with the audience. What else do you need to get emotionally invested in him? Did you need 20 minutes of Kirk and Winnona staring at each other over a glass of wine talking about how much they love each other?

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Coordinate_System

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    d"

    by Tall_Boy66

    I hate talkback headers. I really, really do.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Coordinate_System

    I agree that the seeds of good drama are there, but everything felt too rushed, too crowded for those seeds to bloom (pardon the farm analogy). This stuff needs room (and time) to grow.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    The cut scene of Kirk and his brother was good stuff

    by YackBacker

    It made Jim stealing the corvette a lot less obnoxious- too bad that was deleted.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Easily dismissed problems

    by joshuavance1701

    1. Because a complete reboot shits on the legacy of 40 years that has gone before, the intention of the film was to honor not smear Trek legacy. <p> 2. The comic came after the film, not before. The comic was intended for pea brains that can't connect dots themselves and need everything spelled out for them like a fifth grader. <p> 3. The drama isn't rushed at all significant events are merely painted in broad strokes two hours isn't enough time to meet Gary Mitchell, Finnegan, Ruth, Areel Shaw, Janice Lester etc etc ad nauseum. <p> 4. Kirk behaved as his father did - with valor, honor, saving the ship, the Captain, and the planet Earth, the Enterprise was Starfleets thank you, what else needs to be said. Scotty wasn't comic relief, he moved the plot forward with transwarp beaming. Scotty was always a comical character, not to be confused with comic relief. <p> 5. Nero was irrational, why would you expect him to behave rationally? He was vengeance mad, that was his motive and purpose. <p> 6. The rest is arbitrary hyperbolic rhetoric, conjecture, and personal opinion.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Tall_Boy66

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>"Did you need 20 minutes of Kirk and Winnona staring at each other over a glass of wine talking about how much they love each other?"</P> <P>Ha!, no nothing that cornball. Not sure how the scene could have been written, but the 5 or 10 minutes that they were on didn't do much for me on an emotional level. So instead of eliciting a "Oh no, Kirk's dad just died!, I was just sort of "Kirk's dad just died, well that's too bad." The scene left me unmoved and unconvinced. A noble way to go, just not effectively done. I guess I was too busy squinting from all of the lens flares.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    The comic came BEFORE the film, rockstar

    by YackBacker

    COUNTDOWN came out between January and April 2009. And forbid anyone for criticizing Nero's weak on-screen characterization. That's what separates guys like Khan from chumps like Ru'afo (yeah, INSURRECTION sucked). By the way, I liked STAR TREK so don't go getting riled up at me.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Not So Easily dismissed problems

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>1. Because a complete reboot shits on the legacy of 40 years that has gone before, the intention of the film was to honor not smear Trek legacy.</P> <P>I disagree, I see no dishonor in the starting fresh. It allows Classic Trek Fans to enjoy the material that came before, and allows for the creation of new fans.</P> <P>2. The comic came after the film, not before. The comic was intended for pea brains that can't connect dots themselves and need everything spelled out for them like a fifth grader. </P> <P>According to memory-alpha, the comic (Countdown) was published in January, and was marketed as a prequel. I haven't read the thing, just the synopsis, but it would seem to further develop the Nero character. In the movie, he comes off as more of a force of nature, than a flesh and (green) blood person. If you were referring to the chronology of the story, then yes, it took place after Trek XI, in the 24th century. :-) And I'm not sure to which pea brains you refer to. :-)</P> <P>3. The drama isn't rushed at all significant events are merely painted in broad strokes two hours isn't enough time to meet Gary Mitchell, Finnegan, Ruth, Areel Shaw, Janice Lester etc etc ad nauseum.</P> <P>I have a problem with broad strokes. A lot of details get left out. A movie may be composed of a series of snapshots, but the narrative shouldn't be. As for Mitchell, et. al., I guess we'll never meet them (in this universe).</P> <P>4. Kirk behaved as his father did - with valor, honor, saving the ship, the Captain, and the planet Earth, the Enterprise was Starfleets thank you, what else needs to be said. Scotty wasn't comic relief, he moved the plot forward with transwarp beaming. Scotty was always a comical character, not to be confused with comic relief.</P> <P>I'm saying command is a little too early at this point, and quite unlikely. As for Scotty, he was not the ship's clown. You dishonor him, sir.</P> <P>5. Nero was irrational, why would you expect him to behave rationally? He was vengeance mad, that was his motive and purpose.</P> <P>And no one else in his crew was sane? Unlikely.</P> <P>6. The rest is arbitrary hyperbolic rhetoric, conjecture, and personal opinion.</P> <P>You do know that you are on Aint It Cool News? That's all anyone has posted since I started to read the site (12 years now). That being said, and while I don't know you, I am confident that my opinion is at least as valid as yours.</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Coordinate_System

    by NoHubris

    Agreed. IMHO the fast moving events were because there were such large swaths of ground to cover.<p>Having established all the key pieces in the last movie, I expect the next one to pace things at below breakneck speed.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    ^^^

    by NoHubris

    Response was to your prior post about "room and time to grow."

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    One more thing

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>4. Kirk behaved as his father did - with valor, honor, saving the ship, the Captain, and the planet Earth, the Enterprise was Starfleets thank you, what else needs to be said. Scotty wasn't comic relief, he moved the plot forward with transwarp beaming. Scotty was always a comical character, not to be confused with comic relief.</P> </P>Also, the transwarp beaming from the ice planet to the Enteprise at warp, that by then was lightmonths (lightyears) away? Kinda lessens the need for starships a bit. And all because of an equation typed in by Spock Classic? I wish it were that simple in the real world. :-)</P> <P>Speaking of equations, why were the Vulcan school children being taught in English? Some sort of visual Universal translator used for the benefit of the audience? In made a neat scene look cheap.</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Kirk had no character arc in STAR TREK

    by YackBacker

    He started out as a brash, cocksure young man and ended as a brash, cocksure young man with a starship command. Spock was the main character of the movie. All Kirk learned to do was put on a gold shirt.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>Well, we can only hope for the best.</P> <P>Thanks for the constructive feedback, you're one of the few civil people around here.</P>

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Coordinate_System

    Well said. Their take on Spock was the one characterization that I can accept.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Bob, get this guy to play Kirk:

    by YackBacker

    http://tinyurl.com/yg2wdz2 Either one will do!

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    That may be the nerdiest load of tripe I ever read

    by Lost Jarv

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    BobOrci-Two Words: GIANT ROBOTS

    by Sal_Bando

    C'mon show some brass. Put in the Giant Robots, have Shatner and Mickey Dolenz do some voice-overs, and yer good to go. Word.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    KHANSTIPATION!

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Leave Kahn alone!!!

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    They should set this in Portugal....

    by Sal_Bando

    Film (at least) Part of it near Almada, calling it 'Time of the Goat People' or 'Dawn of the CabraZoids', their leader being one foaming at the mouth Abra Cabra who's got this rather oddly complete collection of DS9 memorabilia and Checkhov Beatle wigs lying about. Not sure how they'll work in the sheep angle-

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    LMAO @ Sal Bando

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    or should I say Tom Bodet?

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Why do I have this image of some guy-

    by Sal_Bando

    -who resembles a 258 lb Lou Piniella dressed in a home-made Chekhov suit(complete w/ Beatle Wig), mostly of goat-hair and poking needles into his collection of voodoo dolls-named Bando, Xiphos, Jarv, Morbius, Pazzoozoo and Abrams? The Abrams one has the most needles but the Jarv doll has seen the most abuse. Abra Cabra saves the largest needles for THAT.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    meet the new franchise

    by notkinski

    same as the old franchise. fuckers.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    TDK rehashed everything too! Why the double standard?

    by Ganymede3001

    You Dark Knight worshipers really are the epitome of hypocrisy. Everything your bashing Abrams for Nolan has already done. The only thing that overrated cocksucker did was make a darker Batman. He did nothing original.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams is a Khuntsack!

    by Stabby

    And the Lost series finale is going to suck as bad as the BSG finale. I can smell it already.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    J.J.'s Khan should be Portuguese

    by Stabby

    instead of Latin American.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Screw Khan and the Borg...I want more MINERS!

    by BurnHollywood

    Yes, planet Vulcan was safe from the Klingons, the Borg, Khan, the Cardassians, the Dominion, etc...BUT NO MATCH FOR GROUCHY GEOLOGISTS!<p> Maybe Orci/Kurtzman can take things a step further and have some unhappy farmers eradicate the Klingon Empire! Won't that be cool?!

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    I think despite its problems

    by rogueleader66

    That the new Trek was a good fresh start, Trek needed to be reinvented somewhat, the last 2 movies were total ass, no one cared about Trek anymore, I am a trekkie and I didn't care about it anymore. <P>That being said, the problems from the new movie do need to be addressed when they begin to make the next movie. You can forgive some mistakes seeing as it is was a reboot by people who have little knowledge of Trek, but they only get a pass this once, and even so, it doesn't excuse everything. Regardless, I am looking forward to the next movie, hope they can build on what they established in the first one.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    This is how you do Khan

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    Have him WIN. Make him a clone, not the guy floating through space in the SS Botany Bay. Have him trained and educated in Starfleet. Put Earth itself under the threat of annihilation, perhaps by a Klingon-Romula alliance, who knows. Have Khan and Kirk be going at it throughout the movie, the Federation (and the movie) aren't big enough for both their massive egoes. Have Khan somehow take over the fleet in a last ditch attempt to save Earth, and having done so, become Kirk's boss. They team up to save Earth, Khan takes credit, makes himself King or Emperor of humanity and starts a new Terran Empire, and says fuck you to the Federation. Basically turn humanity into the USA and the Federation into the UN. Kirk escapes, a rebel, vowing to bring down Khan.<p>You can't out Ricardo the original, so ditch the Spanish actor. Get someone of the appropriate ethnic background (Punjabi/Sikh). They can keep the Spanish accent if desired.<p>This will out-StarWars Star Wars. Khan has the potential for Darth Vader, Dr. Doom, etc. in him, go all the way with that. In the next film or two, they could show him going insane in a thirst for more power and immortality as the earth/human/terran empire gobbles up more star systems.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    We need to see Khan match wits with Spock and balls with Kirk. Have people actually root for him, because in a contest of species, having such a badass represent humanity would be awesome. Who wouldn't want to see Khan physically take down Klingons, Romulans, etc and show them that homo sapiens are not to be fucked with?<p>Don't have Kirk yell 'Khaaan!', have Khan yell 'Kiiiiirk!' somewhere in there (being abandoned on a planet works... they did it in the first movie).<p>The crew needs to bond and carry the film by having the chemistry of the TOS actors. We need to see Spock taken down a notch and Kirk use his brain more and the darker side of his emotions.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Star Trek: The Wrath of Mr. Rourke

    by Stabby

    Since everyone is giving their ideas for the next film here's mine: Mr. Rourke owns a planet he calls Fantasy Planet and it is a major vacation spot in the galaxy. It exists, however, just out of the boundaries of the Federation. Also, while the planet aims to fulfill anyone and everyone's personal fantasy there is something nefarious afoot. Mr. Rourke has actually populated his planet with clones and when various Federation dignitaries visit the Fantasy Planet on holiday they are kidnapped and clones are sent back in their place. Enter Capt. Kirk and the crew of the Enterprise sent to investigate Fantasy Planet. Also, the planet is one giant hologram in which anything is possible. Escape From Planet Hologram. Special guest appearance by EMH (Emergency Medical Hologram).

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    by NoHubris

    Your ideas are certainly inspired IMHO. Well done.<p>I particulary like the ideas of contest of species, him winning against the enemies of humanity (isn't that just like a megalomaniac - "Give me absolute power and I'll take care of you and protect you) and matching wits with Spock.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    BOB - YOU SAID YOU WOULD MAKE TREK 2 GREAT FOR JOHNNY

    by BringingSexyBack

    A Khan rehash is not the way to go about it. <P> Keep Johnny in mind and let your inspiration flow from that.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    HERE'S MY IDEA FOR TREK 2

    by BringingSexyBack

    Take GI Joe and Trekkify it. Done, and done.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    The Enterprise emergency crash lands on a tropical planet

    by Stabby

    The tropical planet is inhabited by hostile natives called Others. There are various hatches located around the planet.... Oh, screw it who gives a Frakk!

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    J.J. needs to create a word like Frakk for the Enterprise

    by Stabby

    crew to say when they're frustrated.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Noted_Sage_Sal_Bando

    by DrMorbius

    Well done mate. Was wondering about the pain in my neck, now I know. Thought of returning the favor (needles in a M-O-M dolls ass) but I figured, the goats reciprocity took care of that!

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Why has no one suggested the greatest villain of all? The Horta.

    by Det. John Kimble

    I know they were just misunderstood rocks in TOS, but I'm sure Bob and J.J. could reimagine them as a race of sentient magma that seeks to destroy all humanoid species in the galaxy out of a misplaced hatred for their own inability to touch.<P>Plus Quinto could really pull off a mind meld with a piece of igneous stone.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    We are not "Insulting" you Bob...

    by conspiracy

    think of this as your beer buddies busting your chops to do better next time. You are a professional writer Bob...it is time to show us you "A" game.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Just set the next movie on Risa....

    by Royston Lodge

    ...and make it a porno.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    The Prime timeline

    by Kaitain

    "there's a few posters who restate again and again that we've never seen splinter timelines on Trek, it's always changes that affect the characters, so that means the Prime timeline is gone forever." <p> There's no reason to assume it's been destroyed. It's merely inaccessible from the new one. Both exist, but you cannot ever return to the old one from the new.

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Ganymede3001

    by Coordinate_System

    <P>"You Dark Knight worshipers really are the epitome of hypocrisy."</P> <P>Nobody's perfect, but that's overstating it a bit.</P> <P>"Everything your bashing Abrams for Nolan has already done."</P> <P>Would you care to elaborate?</P> <P>"The only thing that overrated cocksucker did was make a darker Batman. He did nothing original."</P> <P>I disagree, Nolan has a track record of delivering well executed, well conceived movies. I, for one, didn't bestow respect onto him. He's bloody well earned it. If there is any replication of basic themes, plot elements, or the like in his films, well, there is very little new under the sun. Good vs. Evil, Boy meets Girl, Everyman triumphs over adversity, etc. are some of the bases of stories that are as old as time. Acknowledgement of the limitations of human experience is not hypocrisy. Nor is the equal application of high standards to all films. Standards that Mr. Nolan has consistently met, but Trek XI did not.</P>

  • Nov. 5, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Let me know when they reboot Star Trek

    by kabong

    and boot JJ.

  • Nov. 6, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Khan: India's greatest export

    by TakingScorpiosCalls