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LORD OF THE RINGS Casting: Legolas and Gimli confirmed!
Alright folks, I've been working my ass off this weekend (while the site was down) getting this story nailed down for y'all. The 3 signed names playing major characters that we have never fan speculated with (to my source's knowledge) were Merry - played by Dominic Monaghan. Now... we learned that this week.
However, to add to that casting I can confirm the casting of John Rhys-Davies that http://www.lordoftheringsmovie.com broke the story on. Now I know that while you are well aware that John Rhys-Davies is tall... He will be a dwarf in this film... and as any fan of SLIDERS or RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK will atest... the man is soooooooo coooool. I tell ya, can't ya just hear him telling the story about his people and the mines of Moria... while dark things hide in the shadows.... Shivers...
And now for the third. There has been a lot of wrongful speculation on Legolas. How many places have you read that it was to be Jude Law? Yeah... I know... alot. Well, here's where the great unknown comes in. I know nothing about the way he looks, how old he is, is he a good actor... I don't know. But I've been a real big fan of Peter's casting so far, and while I know NOTHING about Orlando Bloom, other than he played a minor role in WILDE alongside Jude Law and Stephen Fry... Orlando Bloom is indeed Legolas. I have one person working on getting a picture for me, but until then... We'll all have to suffer.
So... Where are we now? Basically at this point. All the 'Fellowship' is cast except Boromir... Gandalf is Ian McKellen. Merry is Dominic Monaghan. Pippen is Billy Boyd. Sam is Sean Astin. Frodo is Elijah Wood. Aragorn is Stuart Townsend. Legolas is Orlando Bloom. Gimli is John Rhys-Davies. These are all CONFIRMED. As for Boromir, we know that Sean Bean is being talked with, BUT has not been cast and may not be depending how the negotiations go. Boromir is the last of the 'Fellowship' to be filled. And... I'll be working to get ya the latest on that front.
So that is how this weekend has turned out! I hope you enjoy. Oh... and if you have a pic of Orlando Bloom.... Drop it in the ol email to me. Thanks.
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Skeptical about Davies, don't know Bloom... but thank god they're just finally cast!
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News, yes, but what do we learn? Orlando Bloom... Names, names, what's in a name? At least this is settled. Boromir can rot in hell.
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this is great news, but what happened to timothy spall, i thought he was confirmed ages ago????
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I thought- call me crazy- that Gimli was relatively young for a dwarf? Doesn't really matter I suppose. I guess PJ wanted more of a contrast between the inexperienced hobbits and the rest of the Fellowship. Solid cast all round, very little star power, I think we can all get behind this, right?
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These last months all fans were debating about the cast, which is a normal thing to do: a good movie is for a great part created by a good chosen cast. But i hope some people in Zealand can give us some interesting news about how the movie is evolving over there, especially about the substantially greater part Arwen (Liv Tyler) will be playing. I'm very concerned that Peter left the story in the book at this part (or even more in other parts?)
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Wow. Never expected him to be Gimli, but that's fine.
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Wow, this is unexpected. What happened to Tim Spall? Can someone please tell me if Eomer has been cut?
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I like John Rhys-Davies. I never would have picked him as Gimli. But if that is PJ's thinking, well fine, he's a great actor and i'm intrigued by the prospect.
What makes it doubly entertaining is this. Years ago, I had friends who were BIG fans of the show SLIDERS during its early seasons...they constantly encouraged me to tune in and check the show out. I finally did and got hooked...not because I thought the show was anything brilliant...but because each week the shows creators would devise a scene where John Rhys-Davies' character would have to outrun a pursuing mob or monster or helicopter, etc. I thought this was a pretty funny running gag and was, for the most part, the only reason i tuned in each week.
Rhys-Davies seemed game for these physical challenges and (with some creative editing) the scenes usually worked.
Now I hear JRD is going to be a participant in the Race of the Three Hunters, a multi-day footrace across the plains of Rohan that occurs in LOTR TT and, i presume in PJ's Film 2.
Bring it on.
How can I NOT be excited about this prospect?
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John Rhys-Davies as Gimli...great choice in terms of character and personality, but how the hell are they going to make him look like a dwarf??? I can just about see the hobbits working okay, since they just have to be shrunk (i.e. same proportions as humans but smaller), and most often they're around one another and not other races. But what are they going to do to John Rhys-Davies? "Squash" down his height but keep his breadth? And he's sharing the screen with men and elves the whole movie, so how will they handle that? What about when he rides a horse behind Legolas?? Ah well, I guess we'll just have to trust Peter and WETA on this one... Now the fellowship is complete, let's hope we get the "official" cast list announced soon.
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Can you imagine how John is going to execute the departing of Lothl
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I really need to re-adjust my vision of the main protagonists in the book.
Gimli, or at least his voice was so superbly acted by Douglas Livingstone in the BBC Radio 4 Lord of the Rings adaptation.
I'm sure these guys will do an admirable job though.
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I've seen Wilde recently, and have a vague recollection of a tall, pointy eared chap.
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GREAT CHOICE ALTHOUGH PERSONNALY I ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED HIM AS TOM BOMBADIL, IF WE CAN GET PJ TO REINSTATE BOMBADIL WE STILL HAVE BRIAN BLESSED FOR THAT ROLE
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The dwarves will be shrunk, same as the hobbits. In fact that may explain why they cast such a tall actor--they won't have to have three different ratios of shrinkage for the hobbits, the drawves, and everyone else. Of course, that's assuming the dwarves are a tad taller than the hobbits. On another note, I do think Heavenly Creatures was a masterpiece, and The Frighteners is pretty darn good too. But even if you don't buy that, don't discount PJ as being able to handle this movie. For one thing, directors rarely make a masterpiece for their first movie, instead they have to garner experience--how many films did Stanley Kubrick make before his films achieved brilliance? Would you have foreseen Star Wars based on Lucas' THX 1138 and American Graffiti? But more importantly, we have here subject matter that a competent director would find pretty hard to make a bad film out of. And PJ obviously cares about this movie, since he's the one director (other than Bakshi, I guess) who's been able to bring it to the screen (and in 3 movies no less!) The only way this could go wrong is if PJ had a lot of crazy ideas and made major changes to the narrative. Like purple elves or something. Personally, I'm not a Tolkien fanatic who will be upset if he changes a single line of dialogue, but of course I want the broad strokes to be the same. But PJs answers in interviews have convinced me he knows what he's doing. I was concerned about the camera work being too frantic, but he's said he's going to adopt a more traditional style. Right now everything looks great--if it has Moriarty's stamp of approval, I'm sold. It's way too early to start critiquing.
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The first really unknown cast-member!! Orlando Bloom; this is the way Peter Jackson works. I trust in P.J. because he has a good feeling with thinks like this. Remember the unknown Kate W. in Heavenly Creatures ;-)!
by the way...in the only movie of Bloom, Wilde (1997), Jude Law is in the main cast :)...
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Sounds cool.I love John Rhys Davies,an even better choice than Timothy Spall.Never heard of the other bloke though, is he related to my friend Greg Bloom I wonder
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Actually, it's not too early to start critiquing!!! Look at Harry for example. The second he hears about a movie, he's already started critiquing it. People have been critiquing TPM before it even started filming. Hell, many people already started saying Universal Soldier 2 was going to be bad before the cast was in place.
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Of all the characters in the movie, I figured they'd actually cast a *dwarf* as the dwarf! Then there would be no need at all for effects-- just some makeup and costume! I'm sure there are a number of fine actors out there, of limited stature, who are collectively groaning right now-- their dream part, given to John Rhys-Davies!! (who I do like, by the way, and not from his tiny roles in the Indy movies, but from the James Clavell miniseries SHOGUN (Rodrigues the Portugese sailor) and NOBLE HOUSE (Quillan Gornt, the Hong Kong tycoon). If you haven't seen Rhys-Davies in these two roles, you're missing out on his best work by FAR.
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Although it may seem strange to watch that guy from archaeology, I think that this is some very good news. John has some very gimli like characteristics like a beard, a big belly, a powerfull voice. It's also nice to see an unknown cast as Legolas, Peter Jackson has done a very good job of balancing names and unknowns, now we must wait for news on Boromir, Galadriel, Eomer, Theoden.....
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Fuck it!!! I'm convinced this movie should only be done with animation. Hollywood can kiss my ass!!!And furthermore, yada yada yada yada.
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Lord of the what...? What's the deal with the fucking BAT movie already?!
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Many good things have been said of him and here's one more accolade to this decision; a most excellent choice. The man has a masculine, cultured voice and gentlemanly character that are going to fit in perfectly to Gimli's dignified, warrior persona. As someone else has said, if you have Discovery Civilization then tune in to Archeology, or go rent the long version of Shogun (not the sissy, cliff notes like edited verison).
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"Whoa", (to quote our favorite movie star Keanu) Didn't see that one coming. But I like the choice. Rhys-Davies that is. I haven't got a fucking clue who that Bloom guy is, and just as well. It's turning out to be quite a mix of actors so far. I personally hope for Sean Bean as Boromir, he has a talent for treachorous roles. That and Cate Blanchett as Galadriel and I'm sold as far as casting goes. Really a shame if PJ cuts Bombadill though.
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Hey, yeah, Morgoth -- PJ and Rhys-Davies do look an aweful lot alike, don't they. Maybe Jackson's cameo could be as Gloin during the council of Elrond!
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TheOneRing.net has obtained a photo of Orlando Bloom, we are not 100% sure, but we are very close to confirming this. Check it out
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I am really excited about this movie. The reason being is that the majority of the fellowship are relatively unknowns. If you havent seen a picture of orlando bloom check out theonering.net He does look like how I pictured Legolas if it is his picture. Now since the fellowship is cast bring on the so called name players who are expected to fill the minor roles. Charlston Heston for Theoden. He would be perfect as it would be ideal to return him to a big epic picture as he has acted in such epics as ben hur and the ten commandments.
Now since the major roles has been cast I DOOM will invest a little part of my time to see how developments on set will be going, as I am only 20km from Hobbiton
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So far, I'm very excited about the casting! I just wish i had a picture of Orlando Bloom. I can just picture them as the fellowship. I just am hoping that Sean Bean is signed to play Boromir though!
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JRD will ROCK as Gimli - I can just here him now bellowing: "Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!" Also in my mind I always pictured Max Von Sydow as Theoden, definately my big cast wish. Also since the 13th Warrior I can't get Dennis Storhoi out of my head for Eomer.... They both have great accents. Let the riders of Rohan all be Scandinavian!
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Anyone else think they need some other races other than white, its fantasy and not our reality. The black Lex Luthor is a great new take on the villian in the cartoon series. I suspect there has to be a few great actors among other races for the parts in lotr.
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jrd i know and trust but orlando bloom?must watch 'Wilde' before i make up my mind.....
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Watching the Wendols kinda remind me of my own view of the wargs as spirits tapped in wolf forms and werewolves as wolf spirits in human form via sympathetic magic.Werewolves would be man in form,nekkid except for wolf tokens like a girdle of wolf skin,a necklace of wolf fangs etc.They would be clothed only in woad designs,tattoos of mmagical runes drawn all over their skin.We can see only the white of their eyes as they abandoned themselves to the trance known as berserker rage to the vikings and the amok known to the Malays;their mouth foaming.They would use only their teeth and hands plus the hand held 'claws' of the wendols(obviously copied frm the ones used by the Leopard men cult of Africa;check out the John Malkovitch version of Heart of Darkness fo some spooky shots of them).Of couse for Sauron he would be an actual wolf as he has the abblity to change his form....
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I had heard rumors recently about the possibility of Jim Carrey offering to take a cut in his usual 20 mil/movie salary so he could play the role of one of his most beloved characters.
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This topic came up a few months ago. I don't think today's political correctness has anything to do with the casting of this film. I've never envisioned any of the main characters being of minority decent and I don't see why it should have relevance with THIS project.
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Ucck! Jim Carrey, I hope not! Who's next, Robin Williams? The confirmed casting sounds great! Especially Ian Holm (see The Sweet Hereafter), he's perfect! As for casting unknowns, what's your definition of unknown? Half of these actors are fairly unheard of (at least in the sheltered U.S.) Billy Boyd?? Stuart Townsend?? Dominic Mona-who?? Speaking of Stuart, he looks kind of prissy for Aragorn. But then I've only seen photos. OK, my one fear...Peter had better not do anything to Eowyn's role. Everyone knows there's a shortage of female characters in these books (not that I'd presume to change a word), but as far as I'm concerned Eowyn makes up for it. She kicks ASS! If she's combined with that pansy, Arwen, I'll puke.
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Good job peter so far.
I'll be watching!
P.S. Jim Carrey don't even think of playing Gollum!!!!!!!
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That blank post I mean. No really the casting seems to be going pretty well. Except for the fact that no one seems to have any idea who Orlando Bloom is. But unknowns are good, right? :)All we need to know now is who is going to play Galadriel. And Theoden and Eowyn. Faramir is a pretty important character too . . . does anyone have any news about who is rumored to play him? I heard some buzz about Ethan Hawke being involved with that part . . . and Jim Carey as Gollum!! That's so crazy it just might work. Keep the ideas flowing.
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Just seen the pic of Orlando Bloom on theonering.net. Looks weird but who know know how he'll look as Legolas. But i'm surprised at you folks: the other time you were complaining that PJ doesn't cast unkowns and know you're unhappy not knowing who the hell this guy is.
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Rhys-Davies as Gimli! Hmmmmmmm....... not bad; with a wig and a bit of make-up he should look the part, and I don't think anyone doubts his ability to play the role. Kind of ironic that he's Welsh, stereotypically a short, gruff people from a mountainous country with historical links to mining.
As for Mr. BLOOM, well, once again, something of an irony don't you think?
Don't know about Sean Bean as Boromir, is he wide enough? I think he would have been more suited to the role of Aragorn (tall and rugged).
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Orlando Bloom... frankly I was expecting something cooler here, but it's like that, and that's the way it is.John Rhys is more than OK. Now that the Fellowship is casted we can start with the real cool stuff, like: how will the bad guys look? Wich will be the locations? Will the world end in 2000, and will Sauron have something to do with it? I can see him already, coming to life out of obscure 3d renders and melted silicon... Coooool!!!!
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I must say the RSC is certainly well represented in the LOTR cast! Now that John Rhys-Davies has joined Sir Ian McKellen, how about their old Stratford pal David Warner as Elrond?
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What did the person who said they were "expecting something cooler here" mean about the casting of Legolas? did you hope it would be The Fonz or something?
99.99% of everyone who has been following these movies wants Brittish unknowns who look the parts. He is exactly that, end of story. Though I had hoped for Jude Law, this guy was at least in a movie with him! heheh... though I haven't seen it, yet. I did see a .mov of his short part in it, he is a good actor from what little I saw. And he definately looks/sounds the part.
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Why does everyone keep saying that the picture on the OneRing.net is of Orlando Bloom? Didn't anyone read the caption? It MAY be him, but they aren't certain. They are waiting for confirmation. Why they even bothered to post the picture is beyond me. What if it isn't him? Being the first with the news isn't that important to me. Being ACCURATE is.
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I think you are confusing modern day dwarfism for the fantay Dwarves. In the book the Dwarves are a "race" of people. Modern day dwarfs are not a race. Second, even if they were physically correct for the role (which I'm not sure they are), they would have to "up scaled" since Tolkien describes Dwarves as being taller than Hobbits. It would be a technical challenge, to say the least, to shrink the Hobbits and at the same time magnify the dwarfs in the same scene. And it doesn't make any sense that New Line would spend extra money on SFX if they didn't have to, or to use SFX just to use SFX when it would be cheaper to use normal techniques if possible.....This next comment is directed to all the fans of the book who say they would like the film to be as close to the book as possible, and then seem to forget what Tolkien wrote. As in the debate about using dwarfs to play Hobbits. If Tolkien had described Hobbits or Dwarves as being the same as modern day dwarfs, I'd be the first to complain about Jackson hiring normal sized people to play the parts. Accuracy in translating the book is more important than whether or not Warwick Davis gets a part in the film. He, like thousands of other people, auditioned and didn't get a part. That's showbiz.
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So Orlando Bloom previously played a rent boy in the recent Oscar Wilde biopic? Sounds like perfect casting for Legolas. You know what they say about these fey elves. Har har. :)
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This is something I hadn't considered, until I read PaleBlack talk about attempting to "'Squash' down his height but keep his breadth." This is an excelent point. I can understand how the actors will be digitally shrunk, but if they want Gimli to have appropriate mass (enough to convincingly toss orcs around, for instance) then they will have to shrink him more in the vertical than the horizontal. In other words, "less tall" but not "less skinny." This is certainly possible, but whenever the actor moves, you would see a "shearing" effect as his body parts rotate from one plane to the next. Gimli's arm, for example, would look shorter when he holds it to his side then when he holds it straight out, because his body has been shrunk more vertically than horizontally. Unless WETA plans on some very sophisticated morphing to correct these problems (which would be a technical miracle), I think we should count on Gimli being a little taller than we were all expecting, that way they don't have to over-shrink his girth to be appropriate to his height. Food for thought.
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Stuart Townsend is just way too young and pretty to be Aragorn. Sure we all trust Peter... but I'd like to hear him confirm that they are going to age and weather this kid a bit to be Aragorn. If they don't do something to this guy and do it well it could ruin the whole trilogy.
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I think casting someone who's already plenty wide would take care of the breadth problem...if you shrink him vertically but not horizontally, he'll just look FAT.
As for how it would not look cheesy, I'm guessing that would involve having the normal sized actors shot on a blue screen (or green or whatever) with the lighting at a certain angle and distance, and moving it out and up by a set amount (I am not going to do the math for this, but I'm assuming there'd be a table with camera and lighting angles, and the required changes for each actor) for each size of actor. Assuming that all actors are shot under the same lighting conditions, it won't look cheesy.
Also, shooting only at certain times of day...nearer noon for the hobbits and dwarves, later or earlier for the humans, might work. There'd have to be some adjustments made for the amount and color of light, but it could work. Regardless, it'll be the lighting that makes or breaks this effect, and I hope they have some incredible talents in that area. -
hey! you want a really challenging assignment? see if you can get your hands on some of the "tests" to shrink people to hobbit size. I think I speak for a lot of folks when I say I'm still pretty dubious about this whole "shrinkage" thing. Show us some examples man! Post 'em. Now! please.....
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did anyone see the guy who was cast as grima wormtongue on darkhorizons last week? he looks the part. my only beef so far is ethan hawke and uma thurman. i detest uma. ethan is so so. but uma? ugh!
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Rufus, you're right! The Britsh education system IS the best in the world! Pink Floyd even wrote a song about that! Mindless Sheep, signing out.
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Hmmh! Is it just me or this taking some rather unexpected (nothing wrong with that) turns towards the Uncool? Bloom? Rhys-Davies? Now having seen the presumed picture of Bloom, if he can act I
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Do you think it is to late to audition for the part of Gollum?
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Has anybody heard any rumors whatsoever about Gary Oldman playing a part in LOTR? I was hoping he would be cast as Aragorn, but since that's taken... Boromir maybe? Denethor? How about Elrond? The man is such a fantastic actor, they've GOT to find a way to get him in these movies!
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Yup...Hire an "unknown" and sure enough there are posts that are complaining about him being unknown. Hire a known actor and like all the known actors before him, he's trashed by someone. Not every body, most of us are neutral regarding casting, as long as it remains within a set boundary. And of courese we still have the Towsend is too young to play Aragorn. I'm not going to bother explaining any more about the scenes where Aragorn IS rather young and meets Arwen for the first time. And it's easier to make a young man look older than it isto make an old man look younger. No, I'm not going to repeat any logical reason for anything of the preceding. But if the film is ruined for you before it has even started shooting, I feel sorry for you.
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You say...
"Add Sean "Fucking bad actor" Bean, and this thing will go to Krapdom City.
Fuck, they ruined the Lord of the rings..."
Ok, dumb shit, please clarify how
Sean Bean is a fucking bad actor?
What you say Ronin?
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I heard that they were going to cast Warwick Davis as Boromir and "stretch" him to larger proportions for the role. That is just incredible! Don't you think? I can just see Warwick Davis trying to get the ring from Elijah Wood now!
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Thanks for pointing out the differnce between dwarfism and dwarves,goodgulf.I think it is stated that dwrves are a little higher and wider in girth than hobbits.JRD once played the role of Professor Challenger(who was described as a bull of a man),i think he would be cool as |Gimli.To tose who think miniaturisation couldn't work,didn't you watch Gulliver's Travels or Willow?Uma was beautiful in Dangerous Liaisons.I wish she would appear in more movies....To an earlier post(forgot the nme),i think it would safe to say that LOTR is to Ullysses what Robert Burns is to William Blake,tne former appeals to the average joe tilling the fields while the latter the more 'high'-minded bunch....
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Goodgulf - very good point. I also feel sorry for all these people who have convinced themselves that the LOTR movies are "ruined" before they even start filming. (Sheesh - what a closeminded, negative point of view.) As for Sarin Rufus- first of all, sir, please take some Valium and calm down. (And is it really necessary to use the word "fuck" in almost every single sentence? This is tiresome to read and only demonstrates that you seem to have a very limited vocabulary.) As for Sarin Rufus' comment about not trusting PJ - we are NOT mindless sheep if we say we're trusting in Peter Jackson. All we are doing is keeping an open mind and trying not to condemn the man or his decisions before we see the movie on screen. I figure I have two options. I can either piss and moan about every decision made and nitpick it to death, scream the movie is being ruined every time a decision is made that does not EXACTLY conform to my vision of how a character should look, a scene should be played, etc., see the negative instead of the postive in everything to do with the movie, anticipate the worst, and in general have a totally negative attitude towards the movie and make myself miserable for the next two years. OR, I can adopt a wait and see attitude, be curious about decisions made that are different than I had anticipated, post some constructive criticism and comments, and look forward to seeing PJ's vision of the movie someday. I know which option I prefer. And folks, I hate to break it to some of you, but we are going to see PJ's vision of the LOTR, NOT yours. LOTS OF THINGS ABOUT THIS MOVIE WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN YOU HAD IMAGINED THEM! DEAL WITH IT! (Sorry, but I'm getting tired of all the whining and complaining about this movie.) Yes, some of the casting choices would not have been my first picks. But as I said in another post, I've seen movies with people who I thought weren't very good actors and the director got a wonderful performance out of them. Don't you think we should give PJ the opportunity to try?
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Good comment, Goodgulf, that it's easier to make a young actor look older than vice versa. Since they are expanding Arwen's role, it seems logical that they will show the first meeting between Arwen and Aragorn, when Aragorn was 20. Next - Aragorn was 87 at the time of the Fellowship of the Ring, and lived to be 210. Since he lived 3 times the age of a normal human man (70 being considered normal in LOTR), an 87 year old man who lived to be 210 is the equivalent of a 29 year old man who lives to be 70. Townsend is 28-30, I think. Granted, Aragorn is careworn and looks older than his years, but still, haven't some of you people ever heard of makeup? It's this great invention - they even give out Oscars for it. Imagine that! What will they think of next! And I doubt that the general public, who will comprise the vast majority of people seeing the movie, will know or care that the actor playing Aragorn is a bit too young. Let's get some perspective, here!
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He came into our shop to have his sons PowerBook looked at. John Rhys-Davies is quite big, I dunno how theyre goning to shrink him. But he perfect for the role! I said he would do well.
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I suppose that if ALL the characters in the book were played by "unknowns" and no pictures were available, we'd all be bursting arteries over it right now. Let's examine what we asked for at the beginning. We asked for unknowns in major parts who were the world's greatest living actors (no other kind could do justice to the book), and who looked like the character just as each of us had imagined them. And we expected Peter Jackson to take time out from the production on a weekly or monthly basis to fill us all in on every detail, while at the same time not revealing any "spoilers". We made suggestions and demands that we also expected to be taken seriously and that Jackson would surely hire so and so for a particular part even though the actor was well known and we wanted unknowns, but this was a "special case" cuz no unknown could be as perfect for the part as our favorite actor. One question. When this topic first started and PJ said hew would be hiring "unknowns", suddenly famous names started popping up in the posts. How come no one posted their favorite unknown actors name? If this post seems crazy and confusing, it because it was meant to. Why? I wanted to reflect the ridiculousness of some of our logic.
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I have a friend who is friends with Orlando Bloom. I have a feeling he goes to or went to the Guildhall School of Drama in London (and before you say, what's that? it's where a young Scottish bloke called Ewan McGregor went.......)
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No, I do not think it is necessary to use the word 'fuck' in every single sentence, and I don't think it makes for an enjoyable read either. But give me a break with the vocabulary demonstration. No one has anything to PROVE, here. Express yourself in the way you choose. Maybe some of us don't expressly wish to write an ESSAY everytime we post. And maybe, for some of us, this talkback is not about showing how WITTY we are. (Yes, I'm using caps. How unacademic.) I wish I wasn't referring to you personnally, Goodgulf, because you do bring a lot to our discussions... sometimes. But lately, your way of stating the self-evident on the 'let-me-teach-you-a-lesson' tone has grown into a habit. I don't mind the usual aloofness, the uninvolved attitude which never allows you to utter a single personal, BIASED, emotional statement. It's you. It's what I expect when I scroll down and see 'Goodgulf'. But look: I'm in a bad mood today. Totally unwillingly, for reasons which I ignore. Are you surprised with 'the ridiculousness of my logic'? Well that's not logic, that's just emotion, see? What's the 'logic' behind your love of LotR? Oh, it's unlogical? Don't feel ashamed. We're all human. Nam
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You know, personally I always enjoy Goodgulf's posts very much. There's certainly PLENTY of people freely expressing their personal, biased, emotional views on these Talkbacks but not as many that have well thought out, carefully reasoned and logical posts. And I think you're very much mistaken in your view, anyway. Obviously Goodgulf cares very much about LOTR or he wouldn't be posting here. And do you think it's very logical to say in one sentence "Express yourself in any way you choose" and then criticize Goodgulf for being (in your view) not emotional enough in his posts? (By the way, my reference to a limited vocabulary in my earlier post was not a request for witty or erudite posts. I'm afraid you're reading more into my comment than I intended. It was just a simple request to use some word other than "fuck" once in a while.) And sorry if this post is too long for you - you said everyone should be free to express themselves in any way they like, and unfortunately, my way is to be too long winded.
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HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST I'M NOT BEING LOGICAL! {weep, weep}
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I have to say that the 'shrinking' of the hobbits & Gimli worries me too. It will mean that virtualy every shot will be an effects shot and I find it hard to believe that they will all be seamless. Also, it may restrict the setups and shots used to make the FX easier which would be the tail wagging the dog. I'm very much looking forwards to these movies, and so far the cast hasn't caused me too much worry, but this business of shrinkage does. Still, wait and see.....
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Not many of you yanks know sean been but over here he has worked in tv for ages, notably in the pininsula war saga 'sharpe' and he was great in it. I hope he gets it, there era few better suited to rthe role.
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I'm chuckling to myself regarding Greenleaf's criticism of my recent posts. He's absolutely correct that my writing of late does appear to be preachy with I know better than you do attitude. The reason for that is because I do know more than everyone, and I enjoy flaunting that knowledge. Ooops, no that's not right. I really didn't mean for my posts to be "holier-than-thou" essays pointing out the obvious. But I do consciously try to avoid being emotional. For one there's enough emotion in some of these posts to cover the entire Talk Back. And if I give in to my emotions I'm liable to say some very ansty things about a few folks who post here that would only cause hurt feelings. At any rate my normal style of writng is to be more carefree and humorous rather than dull, plodding and boring. So, I accept your criticism and apologize for my less than wonderful posts. But just remember, you can't ignore me, cuz I'm like a fart in an elevator.
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RANT...RAVE...COMPLAIN...SCOWL...THIS SUCKS!...THAT SUCKS!...PJ SUCKS...F**K! F**KITY! F**K!...YOU SUCK, YOU F**K!...EVERYONE SUCKS, YOU SICK F**KED UP F**K...GO F**K YOURSELF!...EVERYTHING'S F**KED!
There we go...nice, clean, constructive criticism. Does this pass the test as a normal LOTR talkback?
Could we rename this process TalkF**k instead of Talkback? I don't know about you, but the word kind of loses its charm after a few repetitions.
Oh, PS. F**K! -
I should have mentionned that "when I scroll down and see 'Goodgulf'", it's usually a time to rejoice. But recently it's been slighlty less so. I've tried to point you out why. My last wish is to ignore you. I don't think you're *boring* because of your rigourousness. But I'd like to know what you think personally once in a while, because I value your opinion (about the LotR movies, mind you). You seem to have understood what I meant; as for the above two posters, I'm sorry for what you think you read on my post. Try and do a bit more reading, and bit less scanning.
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Ok. We've gone from trashing the movie to trashing each other. Evolution gone berserk. Maybe Harry will give us our own Talk Back so we can ignore the original topic altogether and just send each other poison pen letters.
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Get a life you people, the reason we have this talkback is for all the LOTR fans or non-fans out there to express their opinion whatever manner they may put it. So stop pissing around, if you dont like a particular post just scroll down to the next. Simple as that. Dont forget that this is only a movie,wake up and get back to reality.
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This place has become one of those low-level insult trading internet sites.
Too bad it was interesting for a while but know it's just a pathetic gathering of unhappy ravers and whinners who post for the simple pleasure of complaining.
How pathetic can your lives be...
I'm outta here
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i can see it now, LOTR meets Terror Comes To Tiny Town..... my only concern is that the hype kills this movie for me like it did for Blair Witch......
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didn't PJ direct that classic "Bad Taste"? If so then i'm smitten.....
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Point taken - back to discussing the movie. Walter Burns made some good points about shrinking. Those were questions I had myself. Does anyone know if Peter Jackson is going to schedule another 20 questions on AICN? Because I'd love to find out how they plan to do this shrinkage - especially Gimli, since all his scenes will be with the other actors. (Versus the hobbits, who have many scenes by themselves where they wouldn't need to do any shrinking.) I'd also like to know - since there are two Americans cast as hobbits and two British actors cast as hobbits - will the hobbits speak American or British English? And finally - exactly HOW are they going to expand Arwen's role? And does anyone know when New Line is going to announce the cast? There are still lots of roles that we don't know the casting for yet. (MorGoth - I'm still chuckling over the "hermaphrodite hobbit" comment!)
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Rufus are you sure British education is the best? Yes, there're Oxford and Cambridge and some private colleges and military academies but what else? _Goodgulf and Greenleaf_!You're the coolest guys here! But personally I vote for Greenleaf! He's not arrogant.:)
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Great idea about renaming TalkBack TalkF**k - I second that motion. Heh heh. :) P.S. You don't REALLY want God to blind you, do you?
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You must have thought I was referring to you when I said something about...something was ridiculous, but when I re-read my post I see that I wasn't calling you illogical or ridiculous. It was about some other posters. They're sick and should be in a hospital. Oh dear, what is it, Doctor? It's a large building where they keep sick people...
But putting all seriousness aside, every post I make IS what I think. The difference is that when I think some one is wrong I don't call him names, I debate. All too often they back off, not being able to back up their "fuck you moron" with a reference or two to the LOTR. Besides, I'm nice to every one, and I do respect everyone's opinion. That doesn't mean I agree with everyone, and I think I've debated ebnough points here to prove that, One: Frodo should look young. Townsend is a bit more handsome than I imagined Aragorn, but I'm willing to admit that it WAS my imagination. Tolkien doesn't really describe his characters. Aragorn was tall, but how tall. His hair was dark, but was it dark brown or black. What shape was his nose, what color were his eyes, what did people in Middle-Earth use for toilet paper? Sears Roebuck catalogues weren't around and corn cobs look mighty uncomfortable. -
Ummm. I don't know if anyone's thought of the ents yet, but what about Treebeard?? Are they using CGI or something?
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Just had a quick scroll through a few of the postings.
Regarding the quality of the narrative, I've seen a few audition scripts, and the dialogue is very good. The JRRT fanatics among you (I'm just a fan not a fanatic) have nothing to fear.
RE: Shrinking. Can't say too much but what they'll be doing is very f***king cool.
RE: Casting. I get the feeling PJ has had some battles with the "Money" (ie Newline). He's had to pick his battles.
Now for my rant.
I just got confirmed as a featured extra. I'm going to be in the Green Dragon Inn - cool huh? -
...curse the FG for deleting all my fookin' post! Man, this is some funny shit to read in hindsight.
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