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“Chuck” writer/producer Scott Rosenbaum has joined “V” as its new showrunner.
Variety indicated back in June that “Angel” vet Jeff Bell would serve as post-pilot “V” showrunner, but stories posted today indicate that "The 4400" creator Scott Peters, who wrote the “V” pilot airing tonight, is the one Rosenbaum is replacing as showrunner.
Today’s Hollywood Reporter story on the matter indicates that Bell “is expected to depart.”
“V” ceased production after its fourth episode, and all four completed episodes will air during November sweeps. If post-pilot ratings are not disastrous (it airs against blockbusters “NCIS” and “The Biggest Loser”), ABC intends to put it back in production and air new episodes beginning in March.
The first eight minutes:
My review of tonight's pilot:
An ABC remake of NBC’s 1983 alien-invasion series, the new “V” pilot was scripted by Scott Peters (creator of “The 4400”) and stars Morena Baccarin (“Firefly”) as an extraterrestrial leader, Elizabeth Mitchell (“Lost”) as an obligatory hot FBI lady, Scott Wolf (“Everwood”) as an ambitious TV journalist, Joel Gretsch (“The 4400”) as a wary clergyman and Laura Vandervoort (Supergirl on “Smallville”) as a lizard girl in a hot human teen costume.
ABC has completed four episodes of the series, all of which will air during November sweeps. If ratings are not disastrous, production will resume in the coming months and the series will return with more episodes in March.
Mitchell and Morena, both excellent actresses, make the most of their roles. (And with her new haircut and huge eyes, Baccarin looks appropriately alien.) The production design is superb and the alien ships look spectacular.
But here’s what I found disagreeable about the new “V” pilot (spoilers ahead):
* New Yorkers applaud and cheer the “we come in peace” arrival speech from the giant spaceship blotting out the sun over Manhattan -- the same spaceship that just knocked the flowerpots off everybody’s shelves and smashed the picture frames that once hung on everybody’s walls. The spaceship that just sent a jet screaming into a fireball on a New York street. (The aliens’ arrival even topples a sculpture of Jesus Christ from its lofty perch, sending it shattering on the pews below!) Have these applauders not seen “To Serve Man”? In the world I live in, no one, let alone savvy city dwellers, would be so quick to take these disruptive aliens at their word. (A single schizophrenic homeless man should have cheered and applauded the aliens as his fellow New Yorkers gave him the stink-eye. That’s the scene I’d buy.)
* The FBI agent, out to find her teen son, tries to get from one part of the spaceship-shadowed city to another, but finds herself blocked by U.S. military. What are they doing there? And why are they trying to stop people from moving from one place beneath the giant spaceship to another place beneath the giant spaceship?
* The promos feature a scene involving Wolf’s character, Chad Decker, being told he cannot ask questions that would paint the visitors in an negative light. This struck me as a big sack of “So what?” The TV-viewing public has seen plenty of “Larry King Live,” “Inside The Actors Studio,” “The Jay Leno Show,” “Entertainment Tonight” and the Barbara Walters specials. They have endured decades of interviewers who don’t ask tough questions. The viewers who care about real answers simply dismiss these interviewers as compromised or poor journalists, and wait until somebody like Mike Wallace or Martin Bashir or Howard Stern gets a crack. If Decker inexplicably skipped some key questions during an exclusive opportunity, his bosses and his rivals in the media and an email-happy public would never let him hear the end of it – and the controversy he set off would inevitably spill over onto his alien masters. If the extraterrestrials are trying to win over humans, this strategy can only ultimately engender distrust. But, then again, what else would you expect from a bunch of dirty lizards?
* All this begs the bigger question: Why are these aliens so concerned about how they’re portrayed to humanity? If they can build city-size galaxy-crossing starships and manufacture human flesh so efficiently, isn’t it almost a given that they have hugely superior weaponry as well? What purpose is served by this clumsy public relations scheme?
* And where did Decker get his journalistic training? Early in the pilot, while his colleagues try to ask Baccarin’s character to explain how the aliens can look so much like humans, Decker tells them to simmer down so he ask why the aliens are all so attractive! The scene plays like a sketch out of a bad Comedy Central show; in this context it’s groan-inducing.
* Gretsch’s priest character, Father Jack, is another character who tries one’s patience. “I’m at a loss to explain how God and aliens exist in the same world,” he confides to a fellow priest, but he never gets into why he thinks the two concepts can’t co-exist. God created the heavens but couldn’t populate them? Where is that written?
* One of the sillier threads of the story deals with humans looking upon the visitors as objects of devotion – because those visitors have more advanced and effective means of healing the sick. Do we worship as gods the human doctors who use advanced technology to heal our ills? I say not so much! (I might – might! – reconsider if we learn the aliens heal E.T.-slash-Jesus-style, with the laying on of hands.)
* The subplot about the teen seduced into a questionable organization by a charismatic teen of the opposite sex feels very, very tired. And the lead human teens, like too many human characters in this reconstituted “V,” come off like ridiculously overenthusiastic dorks.
* Take this line, please: “Which was a rip-off of any number of alien-invasion predecessors!” I can say with some expertise that this is not the way real film geeks talk. Bad. Writing.
A similar story, albeit one without disguised lizards, was told perhaps more adroitly during the first season of the syndicated series “Earth: Final Conflict.” I quite enjoyed Peters’ “The 4400” (which I regard as a sharper, better-focused version of “Heroes”), so I’m disappointed with what he’s come up with here.
The New York Times says:
… The ideas in “V,” about alien encounters and mass delusion and media manipulation, are enticing. It’s too bad that they’re floating around in a show that at this early stage, is so slapdash and formulaic in its storytelling. … as the most astounding event in human history is unfolding largely off screen, we watch a mother racing across town to find her son; a man buying an engagement ring; detectives squabbling; a priest (Joel Gretsch of “The 4400”) having a crisis of faith. We could just as well be watching a show about a hurricane or a serial killer. …
Newsday says:
… has its fun moments, but mostly this is pure bunkum, or 1980s-era TV with a thin 2009 veneer. …
The Newark Star-Ledger says:
… It's decent genre television — better than ABC's similar but creatively adrift "FlashForward" — but not worth making an appointment to see. …
The Chicago Tribune says:
… The pilot for this drama is good. I have a few quibbles with it -- some of the character drama is a bit clunky -- but overall, I found the first hour of the show to be solidly entertaining and suitably suspenseful. …
The Chicago Sun-Times says:
… Judging by the first episode, "V" seems like a solid adaptation. But it doesn't have the mysterious spark it needs to make it compulsory viewing, the way "Lost" lured us in. The problem with a remake is that we already know what lurks beneath the aliens' faux flesh. …
The San Francisco Chronicle says:
… "V" doesn't have an original premise - the humans versus aliens thing is as old as moving pictures. But the special effects are better …
The Los Angeles Times says:
… pretty terrific … Its opening sequence is a masterpiece of back-story compression. …
The Washington Post says:
… exciting … "Lost" fans, you've found your tide-me-over until Season 6. …
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… an entertaining, well-made pilot that tweaks aspects of the original story but generally retains many of the show's familiar elements. …
The Salt Lake Tribune says:
… There's hardly a hint of political allegory in this re-imagining -- save for a snarky comment about the aliens providing universal health care. There's also little surprise or action in this alien invasion, and public reaction to such a monumental event seems rather tepid in the pilot episode. …
The Boston Herald says:
… Mitchell has never had a part so rich, one that allows her to play smart, sarcastic, tough and vulnerable. With her perpetually gleaming eyes, Baccarin is wonderfully otherworldly and suggests a streak of malevolence. … Tonight’s pilot is a good effort …
The Boston Globe says:
… no gold mine of symbolism is worth a damn when the show itself doesn’t have good old storytelling mojo behind it. And, based on the premiere, “V’’ has enough narrative drive and character definition to pull viewers into the creepy suspense of its dystopian world. …
USA Today says:
… the season's most entertaining new hour, straightforward division …
Entertainment Weekly says:
… A shrewd take on both sci-fi and the media, V is an excellently acted what-if-aliens- landed show … works as both escapism and a critique of society. …
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… It could be complicated, but Peters' tightly written teleplay makes it easy to follow. In addition, the pilot raises provocative issues without getting didactic. That, combined with mythology less dense than, say, ABC's "Lost," should make this an attractive viewing option.
Variety says:
… The pilot busily races through too much business, but it dangles a tantalizing array of plots, and features a knockout performance (in more ways than one) by Morena Baccarin as the cool, beguiling alien leader. …
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I'm so sick of it.
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That babe has some truly nice cans. Her pic in this week's EW showed why she has been one of the best things about Lost the last few years.
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Seriously, wtf are the reviewers on? The good reviews are paid for by ABC, methinks. Herc raises goood points too, particularly the priest's problem with God and aliens coexisting -- in recent years, the Vatican has been quite public that they have no problem with alien civilisations. Do your research, Peters.
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I suspect that the F16 crashing because of the Aliens having some form of anti F16 ray gun is a COST CUTTING EXERCISE! This annoyed me the first time around,castrating the military so that they don't have to be portrayed. Now what we need is a super secret organisation with super subs,bases on the moon and a cool base beneath a film studio...nearly first!
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It went pretty well over there. Didn't realize until I saw the original over the weekend on SyFy they got rid of the weird voices of the visitors in the new one.
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I will give it a shot
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I have seen the trailer and enjoyed it...having said that the Aliens really need a hook..something more subtle..WE WANT TO TURN ALL THE EARTHLINGS INTO CHEWY HOMONUGGETS! will not quite cut it...maybe a bit of soul abduction...I thought that human souls being born into Minbari was a cool concept...Alien Nazi lizards need to be after more than our water...I assume CANS are boobs.British don't you know. Commander Straker is the bloke to ask re this particular invasion!
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Damn Herc, I give you shit from time to time for not bringing enough geek, but I gotta hand it to you, Earth Final Conflict is a pretty robust geek-reference, and from the sound of your comments an incredibly apt one. I'm staying away from V, I didn't like the original when I was a kid and I don't like Morena Baccarin's haircut now... wait, that came off incredibly shallow, now I have to stop watching Felicity after Keri Russell cuts her hair and I'm all set. But still, I'm totally burned out on this sort of "reimagining" of a concept that really isn't going to get intelligently expressed on TV anyway.
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Howard Stern interviewing the alien would have been exciting, up to the point he asks her the sit on his lap (or face) and is devoured on the air,
Bill O'Reilly or Chris Wallace would have said, "Right." And gone on to ask why the hell we puny humans should trust you question. -
I don't want another BSG with commentary on currents issues done with non-humans instead of humans of another race. I want humans fighting aliens for survival without the religious and political fodder.
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that deals with some kind of supernatural, alien or mystery element will be compared to LOST in near future.
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Maybe you should switch to non-bunchable panties! That was a lot a vitriol for what is basically a 4 hour miniseries. What would you prefer? Expanded episodes of "Dancing With the Stars"?
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im baffled here. SGU intro was way more exciting than any alien invasion.
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seriously stupid ass critics. they comparing everything to LOST, what has the world come into? Herc you shouldve praised SGU, its getting good, and it should have had a Talkback. shame.
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thats who showrunners think. add religion = depth.
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or the Beastmaster.Case closed.
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which is why SGU beats this so easily. plus this show is pessimistic. V is basically what wouldve happened if we didnt have a stargate.
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Nov 03, 2009 6:31:37 AM CST
F-302s wouldve handled those alien crafts without a sweat
by dioxholsterreturns
these aliens are so weak, daedalus ship can plasma beam them and destroy their whole fleet and species so easily, it really makes this V show painful to watch seeing humans so weak.
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Will I be able to follow V?
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The possibility of alien life is accepted by the catholic church (just google "extraterrestrials" and "catholics" to find a whole bunch of links on the latter). Father Jack, if Catholic, shouldn't have any issues with the arrival of aliens.
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Nov 03, 2009 7:28:03 AM CST
Stop trying to remake something that doesn't need a remake
by shutupfanboy
V was held as one of the top five mini-series of all time. There is no need to do an updated version that seems like a GOP attacking Obama. The aliens bring hope like Obama, but they really want to eat our heads like Obama. Oh my God. The aliens were supposed to be Nazis and the human race was most of Europe if not the Jews. V also doesn't mean Visitors, it mean V for Victory. Already in the previews, it misses the point. I talked to a guy who saw it a Comic-Con and while he liked most of what they did, he agreed it goes by way too fast for a series. According to him they already know they are lizards and the human resistance begins. I am also disappointed they are only using one female V leader since in the mini-series Diana , who the chick from Firefly is playing, was a junior aid in the invasion. The best part of the series was the Visitors were conflicted over taking over and some even turned on them. Maybe down the road we will see that, but if they are going for a series aspect. I expect the plots to be this: Aliens do something sinister, mother and son fight, resistance finds out about sinister plot, maybe stops it, but looks bad doing it. Mother and Son fight for the billionth time. Aliens still manipulating the humans even after sinister plot is revealed. Aliens look hot and Scott Wolfe doesn't age. The end. I also agree on the Catholic thing since I am Catholic and a priest who I liked a lot talked openly about aliens arrivals. He sadly passed away, but he had no problems as do many Catholics see no problems with God creating other life. Evanglics on the other hand, might as well as Musliums. And since Evanglic crazy Republicans seem to be the target as well as anyone with a penius, they are not going bad mouth them. Plus, you can't say anything bad about Islam or you will get bombed.
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Oh, the things I'd eat out of her ass, you have no idea.
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for doing this and FlashForward instead of another procedural cop/lawyer/doctor show. I just wish the results had been better than what we've seen so far.
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After The 4400 got cancelled the least they could have done is write up an epilogue of what they would have done on the show and posted it on the USA website, but no, they didn't give a shit about giving any kind of closure. Why should I give a damn about this show knowing that they'll probably do the same thing. I will watch for the edible asses of Morena Baccarin and Elizabeth Mitchell though.
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Most of Americas religions stem from protestantism, so it's no surprise that there is complacent ignorance about a catholic belief system.
I mean, look at the amount of fundies in America who still decry evolution as if evolution was somehow incompatible with religion. There are 600 million catholics world wide, and everything from the big bang to evolution is accepted by the catholics. (Again, google is your friend here.)
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It's the whole Galileo thing. Because of that, there's an anti-science vibe about Catholicism that's counter to the current reality. Even though the Pope embraced the Big Bang Theory before many scientists did (despite being Catholic, I didn't know about that until I read Brief History of Time), despite the Catholic belief in the possibility of extraterrestials, or even the fact that evolution is taught in Catholic schools by Sisters. It's an annoying reality, but I would think that in this day and age if you're making a tv show, you'd do your research first.
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Can't wait for him to shout "Feck! Drink!" at the aliens.
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Hate to even mention this (as I know where it'll lead), but recently had a FB friend post a similar theory regarding aliens and religion when discussing the recent discoveries of extra-solar worlds. The friend, an avowed religion hating liberal, posited the notion that he couldn't *WAIT* for science to discover life on some of these other worlds as it would "destroy religion on this planet!" It's a timeworn cliche of those on the left who hate religion (and they really mean Christianity here) that other life in the universe means that all faith-systems on this planet will suddenly collapse and people will become atheists and agnostics.Herc provided the counter-argument to this ridiculous theory quite well. I simply told my friend that socialist failures, in general, and Obama's shortcomings, in particular (rendition, wiretapping, two wars, gays in the military, etc.), haven't caused his faith and belief system to falter. Why should aliens alter the behavior of Christians, Jews, Muslims, or Buddhists? ;-)
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Why you might ask, because Lost is self serving, indulgent drivel.
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But anyhoo, as far as miraculous cures, if aliens or anyone else stepped forward and provided cures for the things that Earth doctors say can't be cured, and did it "miraculously" and in bulk, I think there'd certainly be people that would embrace them as miraculous. Depends on how the (V)isitors hype it. These days we're so buried in "Well, someone is on the verge of curing" and "We've discovered that 83.5% of tumors are caused by eating unsalted peas" and tabloid "Cure for XXX" found!" that medical developments tend to get buried. I think a universal cancer panacea would get people's attention if it was PR'd correctly.
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How "telling" it is that the faith system "destroyed" was Christian/Catholic. Guess the writers weren't too keen on having their studio blown up if they'd portrayed a Muslim losing faith. ;-) Christians are, of course, the easy target (in a non-Christian nation we're told) and that's "'cause [Christians] don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they['re] [portrayed as] los[ing] [faith]."
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Okay, I was a bit abrupt. But ABC has down the knack for doing procedurals-that-aren't-procedurals. Flashforward is your basic "Intuitive detective with amazing insights" procedural: Mark just has the excuse of his flashforwards. Last two years, Eli was a lawyer procedural with God(dess) thrown in. Pushing Daisies was a detective procedural with fantasy. So yes, they've got a knack for sf/fantasy procedurals, but they're still just... procedurals at the end of the day.
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Nov 03, 2009 8:36:58 AM CST
"3.Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable fro
by chrth
Arthur C. Clarke
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...would ask tough questions? The modern, corporate, bought-and-paid-for media would, in lock-step, do just what their money-grubbing, elite masters told them to do: gloss over any real controversy and play it safe, appease the aliens while your corporate rulers cut a deal to save their own skins, fuck all the peasants. Shit, 8 years of the worst presidency in American history and all the media did was toss W's salad on a daily basis. But I maintain that administration were all alien lizards anyway... or Cheney was, at least.
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that isnt its problem, i have nothing against slow build up, but the stories in between the revelations have to be good enough, but FF main sin are the god awful and boring characters. It isnt hard to make an interesting character, and it isnt the actors fault.
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...in the Cowboy Bebop movie.
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is because many television writers are not old enough to have observed the evolution of long-form storytelling for television, so they revert to the recent iconic. It is a shortsighted weakness. However, add the luscious Elizabeth Mitchell, and the LOST comparisons reinforce.
hmmmmm.... Elizabeth Mitchell.
Oh Herc - The cityfolk are not cheering because they've been hoodwinked by the Aliens. They are cheering because they aren't going to die 'today' [Independence Day style]. And of course the Aliens could glaze the planet, if they didn't want something specific from it (colonization, genetic material, slaves, whatever). -
The medical/insurance establishment doesn't WANT any "miraculous" cures anymore. No money in it. So they come up with expensive drugs that "control" the dread illnesses in question and keep the patient lingering for years and emptying his and his children's bank accounts into corporate coffers. They're soulless bloodsuckers all and they're not going to "cure" AIDS or cancer or anything else they can scratch another blood-soaked dime out of "treating". What was the last dread disease that was actually cured? Polio? How long ago was that? 50, 60 years ago, that's how long. There you go!
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The medical/insurance establishment doesn't WANT any "miraculous" cures anymore. No money in it. So they come up with expensive drugs that "control" the dread illnesses in question and keep the patient lingering for years and emptying his and his children's bank accounts into corporate coffers. They're soulless bloodsuckers all and they're not going to "cure" AIDS or cancer or anything else they can scratch another blood-soaked dime out of "treating". What was the last dread disease that was actually cured? Polio? How long ago was that? 50, 60 years ago, that's how long. There you go!
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"no one, let ALONG savvy city dwellers" Uh you mean "let alone"?
"The scene plays like a SKETCH out of a bad Comedy Central SKETCH"
Seriously? I'm sure you made some valid points in there, but I gave up because it looks like a fourth grader wrote it. -
Keep in mind I was three at the time, but it scared the hell out of me. Even though the effects were cheesy by todays standards, I liked the miniseries. At points it was heavy handed, but reminded me of an extended Twilight Zone. This new one looks interesting, but I'll have to reserve judgement until after tonight. By the way, Diana was rather hot back in the day. Perhaps the new visitor leader can bring back the weird red outfit hehe.
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I said "some" not all. Anyway, no matter how bad they treat us (prison, eating, all kinds of messed up stuff), some people will defend them until the last.
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those that pitched it and those that bought and produced it should suffer accordingly
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what about the USA in Iraq? or the Soviets in Afghanistan? Or the US in Vietnam?
In every invasion, you try to "win hearts and minds" of the population, even IF you have overwhelming technological superiority.
It's just a matter of logistics; it would be too difficult to simply kill everyone on Earth (and if they wanted to eat us, thats also difficult)....its more efficient to round us up with collaborators, etc.
NO INVASION can succeed if literally every man, woman, and child is against you.
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I mean, can't you tell? He wore out his typewriter hurling insults at it, then posted as many bad reviews as he could find, and buried the good reviews at the bottom. He does this to anything he doesn't like. The only thing preventing this from being a 'classic' Herc article is the sad, incessant pining for Buffy/Angel. Herc's more of a fanboy writer than a real reviewer, only covering what he likes and ignoring the rest no matter how popular, or doing what he can to drive it into the ground. This article has Herc's style all over it, and, anyone who expected more from him on V hasn't been keeping up, as he's been complaining about it for a few months now, every time he needed filler and had the slightest bit of news on it. The ironic thing is he still posts on Heroes quite often...
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The humans sound so stupid I think I'll root for the aliens, unless they're idiots, too, and then I won't watch it.
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I'm a total leftist, but you get this free on the house:
When smug atheist says that science has made God irrelevant, ask him "What about the anthropic principle (don't worry...he'll know what you mean)?"
He'll then mumble something about our being in a "multiverse", but then point out that a multiverse violates the central scientific tenet of testability, and has about the same validity as a higher intelligence AKA God.
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Nov 03, 2009 9:34:38 AM CST
Will there be tons of Red Dust and Michael Ironside?
by josstossesthesalad
Along with the Beastmaster! If so, make this series last forever. All kidding aside, I hope it lasts longer than 2 seasons just so we can hear the debate about how Dollhouse is so much better and if we only accept Joss Whedon as our Lord and master then our world will be perfect. In fact, the afterlife has nothing but Buffy *squee*
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Nov 03, 2009 9:39:06 AM CST
Isn't God relevent if we have debates about the idea of God?
by josstossesthesalad
Just saying, even if someone is an atheist then they have a conscious understanding of the "idea" of God. Then they debate and create alternative theories all revolving this irrelevent creation? Hmmm interesting.
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The true rational response to a question of divinity is agnosticism. Atheists are just as close-minded as the bible-thumpers.
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Though some theists love to say atheism is another form of religion or fanaticism, you're just plain wrong on that. Now, you can take the very Socratic philosophical view that nothing outside of mathematics is truly knowable, and thus agnosticism is the logical end result. But at some point you've got to make a judgement call, and say what you believe, based on the evidence (or lack of same.)
I could be a brain in a jar, living an electronic simulation (ala the Matrix). I don't think I am though. In fact, I choose to say I'm not. Does the fact that I cannot logically know this for certain in anyway invalidate my A-Matrixism? Does it make me a fundie, for not leaving some room for doubt?
Atheism : It does exactly what it says on the tin. Don't believe in god. If atheism is a religion, then transparent is a colour. -
I despise for someone attack my intelligence based off my ideas of faith when I'm more than happy to listen, study, and be rational about theirs.
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Nov 03, 2009 9:56:20 AM CST
@Josstossesthesalad : In case you might get the wrong idea...
by v'shael
I'm not attacking anyones faith, just because I don't share it. But come on, labelling all atheists as fundamentalists... isn't that tarring us all with the same brush because you've come across a few atheist fundies? Fundie assholes exist in all faiths, (I think, Buddhists might be exempt) so its reasonable to assume there's some militant asshole atheists. Just not all of them.
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Never thought all atheists were fundamentalist. Heck, every philosophy has its zealots.
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Well Elizabeth Mitchell is. The Firefly Hooker sure is purty to look at though, but so is Mitchell and her rack.
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then who cares, really, about this show?
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Atheism effectively renounces a possibility. More importantly in my mind, most atheists cloak themselves as being "scientific", as if that makes their viewpoint any more correct. It's not.
Creationism can be proven wrong via experimentation and factual data. Divinity, however, can not.
Attacking a belief system simply because you do not share the same belief system is a characteristic of fundamentalism. Therefore, militant atheists are fundamentalists.
To use your brain in a jar example: There's nothing wrong with being Amatricidal. However, it's when the Amatrices attack the Matrices that I have an issue.
And yes, not all atheists are militants. But I've yet to meet an atheist who brought it up casually without using his or her position to assault those who have a different belief system. (Granted, my anecdotal evidence isn't proof; however, no one seems to have ever told them that) -
Is the Visitors showing up in the first five minutes. There is no establishment of the pre-Visitor world.
Big mistake.
A lot of characters make a big deal during the pilot about how the Visitors timing is perfect. That Earth was teetering on the birnk of major disaster. This is used as justification for hero worship and people falling all over themselves that we see throughout the pilot.
But there is absolutely no sense of this 'desperate state' shown in the pilot. We get one mention of 'second stimulus' in a news clip, probably meant to indicate tough economic times, and that's it.
The breif glimples we get of people before the Visitors arrive show ordinary people doing ordinary things. Going to work, better an engagement ring. There's no feeling that things could fall apart at any second.
They should have spent a few minutes establishing a world in desperate straits. The wars in the Middle East expanding. Lines outside of gas stations. Characters complaining about shortages/prices of food. It wouldn't have taken much to extrapolate from our current dilemnas. And it would have made the pilot work a LOT better. -
Sorry but no. I'm an Atheist, and i do not consider myself to be in the slightest bit closed minded!
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of a divinity?
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"But I've yet to meet an atheist who brought it up casually without using his or her position to assault those who have a different belief system."
That's like saying I've never met a Jehovah's Witness who didn't pester me at my door. You probably HAVE met plenty of atheists who didn't assault your beliefs, because they're not in your face about it.
If you're American, it might also have something to do with the fact that America is so religious and atheists get such a bad rap over there.
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as being close-minded? ;)
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I'm agnostic. I probably believe in God, I possibly believe in Jesus, and I probably don't believe in an afterlife.
But there is an underlying hypocrisy to modern atheism that really grinds my gears. My comments aren't meant as attacks, just observations, so please do not take them personally. If you're not militant, I applaud you. But I would suggest reconsidering your position and allowing yourself to be open to possibilities. No problem was ever solved because a solution was determined before the problem was worked. -
It sounds like to have maximum alienage they decided to make the background as a given. Bad storytelling move.
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Religious = "I believe in a God."
Athiest = "I do not believe in a God."
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I'm afraid that I do not accept the possibility of divinity.
I would never attack anyone else for their beliefs though, and I would hope no one would do so to me for mine. I find your view of people like me to be close minded. -
look, the maths of quantum theory tell me there's a 10^-5000 (whatever) probability that all the molecules in the floor beneath me will suddenly become transparent to all the molecules in my body, and I'll wind up on the floor below. Do I accept that it's a possibility, no matter how remote? Yes. Do I believe it will happen? No.
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That was great! Very well put indeed!
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there's a 93% chance it'll be misinterpreted by someone, somewhere. :)
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Your opinion is poo.
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The TV reporter's reaction to being asked not to ask questions that would put the visitors in a negative light is lifted directly from "Frost/Nixon," right down to the camera angle. Did they think nobody else saw that movie?
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Nov 03, 2009 11:18:31 AM CST
next up remake Misfits of Science!!!!!!!!!!!
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
followed by Otherworld!
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Nov 03, 2009 11:18:34 AM CST
next up remake Misfits of Science!!!!!!!!!!!
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
followed by Otherworld!
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This isn't even in it's wildest alien dreams going to come remotely close to the level of creativity that is LOST. It's already down for the count, it's a another freaking remake!
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Your statement would only work if the atheist you were speaking to was an idiot. The Multiverse theory is conceivably testable, we just don't have the technology yet. God is NEVER testable. Try again.
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I grew up in the bible belt and alot of them believe that Earth is the focal point of God's creation and that belief in aliens is a diabolical conspiracy. And there absolutely would be groups of people who would worship extra-terrestrials if something like this happened. We practically have that now--ever listened to Coast to Coast with George Noory??
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yes. if only we had some contemporary analog for an inspiring figure promising hope and change being embraced by (some of) the masses with religious fervor. then this storyline might actually be relatable.
Herc also mentions he thought the pro-alien youth came off as "ridiculously overenthusiastic dorks"...yes, kind of like how you Obama loving lot have looked for the past 18 months.
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...a socialist reptile who wants to eat all of the money from our bank accounts. Nice parable!
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...but the thing that bothers me, if I remember correctly, is that in the original series, the fact that they were lizard-type-aliens was a big reveal. I mean, the humans new the aliens were disguised to look like them, but didn't see them in true form until much later in the series, after a number of teasers (shadows, serpent pupils, et). So this kind of takes a big element of interest out of it for me. Maybe they should have re-imagined what the "new" aliens really looked like, instead of sticking with the whole lizard thing. At least that would have provided some additional suspense. Anyway, I will still watch the pilot
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Never have i heard this term except when it was coming out of the mouth of some right-wing nut looking to stir up the conservative/evangelical base.
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Even Chicago realizes that this is an unintended parable of Obama's frenzied media hype hidden behind a dangerous underlying uber-liberal political agenda.
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Even Chicago realizes that this is an unintended parable of Obama's frenzied media hype hidden behind a dangerous underlying uber-liberal political agenda.
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savior/messiah thing in general. I don't recall ever hearing that outside of am radio/Fox-land. I don't doubt that the writers of this new series might have decided to throw you guys a bone or two. Enjoy!
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savior/messiah thing in general. I don't recall ever hearing that outside of am radio/Fox-land. However I don't doubt that the writers of this new series might have decided to throw you guys a bone or two. Enjoy!
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i believe he's the one who originated the meme. further believe he's not right-wing.
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Farrakhan speaks for the democratic base about as much as David Duke speaks for conservatives.
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As soon as I wrote it, I knew some moronic GOPer with nothing better to do then troll message boards was going to haul off on their crazy ideologue. Go to Politico where your craziness even as your party self destructs with the more delusional taking control thinking America doesn't want moderates. On topic, I be the show pulls a great number then like Flash Forward nose dives.
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Nostalgia will win over a lot of 30/40-somethings for at least the premier episode. That was enough to make the premier of "Knight-Rider" a success, however it's subsequent success depends on how good the show is(or horrible, as in Knight-rider's case).
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. . . and tell me that there are people out there who don't think that Obama's the answer to all of their problems.
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Nov 03, 2009 1:08:30 PM CST
SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform: Questions For Humble Agnostics
by deltonparker
Everytime I am just about to dismiss god "Wham!" something hits me, kind of like the wife in Paranormal Activity throws the dude at the camera".
What I'm wrestling with these days is Decartes ole' "From Nothing Comes Nothing" Premise.
I saw the pilot for "V" at Comic con, I'm a 30/40 something and have some nostolgia for the show and agree it will probably wear off quick if they don't have good storytelling on a week to week basis. -
Is a good argument for a first cause, but if you examine it closely, it still doesn't effectively argue that that first cause has to necessarily be a sentient being. You could just as easily superimpose the big bang into that argument. Now what I have a problem with is dna replication---it just seems so well-structured and deliberate.
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..Obama as the answer to all of their problems is because the last administration CAUSED so many of their existing ones. I still don't see anyone claiming that he will raise the dead and judge the wicked though.
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If a person of faith believes in the Bible and God's plan for humanity, from Genesis onwards, then humanity is the pinnacle, the superior race. It's not that there's aliens, it's that there are aliens who are superior to humanity, in strength, in altruism, in intelligence, etc. (or at least supposedly). Therefore, that person would have a crisis of faith, because humanity is clearly not the highest form of life in the universe, thus throwing into question all of the 'truths' of monotheistic religion and the Bible, including God's plan for humanity. Simple.
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Why all party of five cast members doing SCI-FI ??????????
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I agree with DNA replication, but my militant evolutionist friend uses the old, given enough time and enough failures DNA will structure itself so nicely. The Decartes thing always stumps him, because he says "Hmm, if nothing existed what is the trigger. Something definitly outside the laws of this physical universe, so must be another universe, then what created that universe, it goes on and on.. It all leads back to the premise through from nothing comes nothing, that something had to have the power to create itself and why would something non-sentient create itself.. The big bang is a good example of "It had to come from somewhere."
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lprothro mmeet Darwin. Lesser strands die quickly.
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It's called Stargate: Asshole - an American military team enters a stargate and ends up in a gigantic galactic ass. Despite their good ole' yuk-yuk American military kick-ass know-how, they suffocate in about fifteen minutes. Then they die. That's the end of the series.
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When you said cure for XXX , I thought for a second- why would anyone want to cure porn. Porn and AICN- my world
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Aliens + the hot chick from lost + Supergirl = I'm watching.
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Quit familiar with him actually, my snooty know-it-all friend. Darwin of course wrote well before the invention of the electron microscope and only vaguely touched on genetics, but I'm well aware that many of his theories appear to have been validated by modern science. What I'm referring to is the actual chemical process of genetic recombination, in which every protein seems to have a deliberate function. It's the weak spot in my agnostic armor, so to speak.
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Nov 03, 2009 1:35:01 PM CST
"well-structured and deliberate", hardly...BillyeveryTeen
by deltonparker
Yup! That is what my Evolutionary Militant friend told me exactly.. The Lesser Strands die quickly kind of like when you work out and your muscle fibers break and are replaced with better ones.
BillyeveryTeen you must have evolved from him.
Still need a Decartes response though.. My Evolutionary Friend says Decartes is irrevelant because that happened before Evolution occured in the universe so he isn't going to worry about it because another Tree Frog species went extinct and he needs to prove it was global warming. -
The idea of "Nothing can't give rise to something" is basically false, and science has known this for quite some time. Look up (using the method of your choice) The Casimir Effect. Basically, what we think of as nothing (the vacuum of space) is filled with virtual particles. These are particles which don't exist. But can exist. Random quantum fluctuations mean that these particles can be created out of nothing, provided they disappear again in a space of time proportionate to the mass which is being created/destroyed.
So Descartes? Done and dusted, and not really a problem anymore.
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Sorry V'Shael can't use String Theory or any of its applications, because even the leading Quantum physicists said they don't have defintiive proof with small particles, so basically anyone can say anything they want to.. The Casimir Effect is a good test of the string theory, but it only proves that some latent energy is extended, doesn't necessarily prove those particles exist.
Believe me my natural biologist friend and I have covered this ground.
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A friend of mine at Purdue back in 2006 developed an alternative approach that would cancel out the Casimir effect and thus measure the gravitational interaction directly. He completed a nanoscale experiment that compares the attractive force between a gold-coated sphere and test samples of gold and germanium coated with a shared layer of gold. A comparison of the forces acting on the gold and on the germanium makes it possible to subtract the role of the Casimir effect and expose any previously unseen aspects of gravity, which could provide evidence of string theory’s extra dimensions....
Basically bottom line these particles probably popped up from another universe going back to my original problem.
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I'm happy. That show isn't the same without her kryptonian cleavage.
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Aren't subatomic particles believed to be mostly empty space? If so wouldn't that make all matter "virtual" anyway? If that's the case maybe nothing really did come from nothing? (Okay I'm giving myself a headache now, sheesh).
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Good Point Iprothro, but see my previous post, my freinds at MIT (pratical Physics) and Purdue now are convinced that because they are so small it is probably not empty space.. More then likely they popped up from somewhere else? (Almost like pollen on the wings of a bird) or in this case nanoparticles from (perhaps) another universe.
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The reason they believe subatomic particles are mostly empty space is because there may be smaller particles are too small for modern science and experiments to measure. There might be something in that space but it is just to small be to measured.. At least in this universe.
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All this talk about "better healthcare", runnning as a moderate when his real intentions are extereme. Followers are all looking up to a God like figure.. This whole thing is like an allegory of the Obama administration is it not? Defniately worth watching in that case..
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Forgot about that one. Doubt if we'll ever know where those come from. I still don't see how the emergence of sub-sub atomic particles necessitates an intelligent designer, though. Couldn't the particles themselves be the 'first cause", or perhaps the densely compacted ball or pre-big bang theory matter for that----matter. (need an aspirin now..)
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I get cranky when I get a whiff of "intellegent design". Didn't mean to sound like a prick.
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Nope you nailed it Iporthro! if the particles themselves were the first cause, or the densley compacted ball of matter were the first cause they probably appeared from a pre-big bang, or pre-universe source... Its that source I'm interested in.. The problem is it has probably occured many times, in millions of universes, so there is no way to go back and find the original cause or creator... In the words of Sherlock Holmes "all traces of the culprits evidence have been covered with impossibly misleading counter evidence."
Anyways when I left that lab in 2005 I went to church for the first time. Church just made more sense. -
There is definitly proof of your snootieness, the proof for intelligent design is unintelligable.
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I'd like to counter-apologize for being overly touchy.
Wow Delton, that's deep man. All I'm saying is, what if it didn't come from another universe, but was instead merely the starting point of our own? What if that first ball of matter had no origin, what if it itself was the alpha and omega in place of god himself? Buck has to stop somewhere right? I mean that's basically all ole' Descartes was saying to begin with wasn't it? Multiverse theory is still just a theory after all.
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who wants to eat humanity! Starting with the old people! Death Panels! To Serve Man is a cookbook! Soylent Green is people! Why do nutjobs always seem to imagine they know the 'real intentions' behind a presidency? (yes, starting with you, supermans). Because it's too boring to imagine that beneath all the star power and rhetoric, Obama's just another politician who will probably let us down? Or that Bush was an evil neocon conspiracy figure bent on bringing on destruction, instead of just a dangerously incompetent president? I know that scifi fans like a good story, but enough is enough, already.
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is frankly an easier concept to fathom than a single deity. Plus, monotheism is a fad of thousands of years. Polytheism? Now, that bitch has history. How long before someone busts out the banana argument? Man, all this dialogue over a shitty retread of a damn good mini-series, an okay sequel mini-series, and a shitty TV show. No Ham Tyler? Fuck you. And what was so cool about the opening of the original miniseries was it took place in El Salvador with a heroic portrayal of El Salvadoran freedom fighters, opposing the death squads of a repressive government supported by our government. Reagan was vilifying freedom fighters, "V" was dedicated to freedom fighters, who in the series, were compared to the anti-Nazi resistance during WW2. Ben Stein should watch "V". Then that moron might recall that Nazia hated scientists and intellectuals, unless they could force them to make weapons. But, I'm getting off on a tangent. But, still, liberal humanism always makes the best scifi. Roddenberry, Serling, the giants.
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You are right. Yeah the multiverse theory honestly is just a crutch.
You are also right that Decarte's premise was the buck has to stop somewhere.
You also nailed what my friends and I have been destroying our brains over for the past 5 years. (many aspirin consumed have I)
It all goes back to that first ball of matter. Being a natural biologist I need an explanation..
Why the Hell did that ball of matter react in that fashion and create the universe? Fricken drove me crazy, so I gave up.
I decided to move to the study of horticulture because I didn't want to die of a brain anurism thinking about that stuff anymore.. Photosynthesis is so simple and elegant, plus we get oxygen from it...
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The Casimir effect has nothing to do with string theory.
Maybe you need a refresher course in it?
The force is not a theory. It's been measured. It directly refutes and disproves the idea that matter cannot be created ex-nihilo. And that is the point of using it to refute Descartes assertion. -
Imagine how much more torturous these ponderings have be for me---I'm just a meagerly educated layman! Yeah i'd better bow out of this now before I give my self a stroke. Been a pleasure, man!
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"Why the Hell did that ball of matter react in that fashion and create the universe?"
Can I just say that, like many people who don't get the Big Bang, you seem to have taken the analogy of the primordial atom too far. There was NO ball of matter to react in any way and create the universe. -
Man, I wish they came into our lab, I am wasting my years of scientific research coming up with a new way to make plastic out of recycled daipers, or how to make fuel out of corn for cheaper, or yesterday WEEEE I got to calibrate 15 windmills in the middle of nowhere to see if they could regenerate their rotations quicker... Why don't some nazi aliens ever come into my lab and force to me to make laser guns.. That would be a relief for my boredom..
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Ball of Matter was just an anology V'Shael.. You must have missed our Sherlock Holmes conversation.. We are trying figure out what was there before and why is the evidence is so MURKY. I say it was God, Sgt. Steiner thinks it was probably Zeus and Aphrodite fucking that caused it.
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... Atheism is the hammer blow against the unreasoning, murderous fanaticism of religion! Agnostics are the vegan pussies who talk a lot but who never really do anything.
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I've never tried Vegan Pussy, does it taste like normal pussy?
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Nov 03, 2009 3:13:31 PM CST
Maybe they're just here to eat the fatties (fatties are the firs
by turketron_2
Like in a zombie apocalypse. If so, lets welcome our Lizard overlords with open arms. How long till we get some Lizardgirl porn? How bout some lizardgirl on lizardgirl? Just keep those disguises on, and whip out those super long tongues and get busy. How long till those lizardgirls are letting us bang them? Are they all gonna look as hot as Morena Baccarin and Supergirl? Creampies all day, I doubt we can impregnate them.
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I never met an Atheist I didn't like. I fanatically murdered them for their godless dirt worshipping ways, but it wasn't personal they were likeable chaps.
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Lizard-Republicans, right? Because that's all they've ever been meant to symbolize.
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The original series was cheesy fun. I seriously doubt that this has any intent of being cheesy. Sometimes I am looking forward to it, other times, I think they should leave it alone. Why aren't there are original Sci Fi ideas out there? I liked 'Being Human" but that was British. They are generally better at character and story development than the US.
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Even if it gets good ratings this month, shelfing it until March is going to kill the show like it did with Jericho when they had a 3 month hiatus. They were better off shelfing the launch of this show until February or March.
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serious interviewers like HIM???
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Could you imagine being so in demand that you could pick and choose what you wanted to do for a living? Lucky bastards.
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Couldn't help but notice inter-species relationships in the original promo. I can understand us being attracted to them, they are in disguise as hotties after all, but why would they return the favor and betray their species? For all I know our allies are their sicko-fetishists.
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with the stuff Herc points out. Plus, he "sold out" years ago, so of course he's used to people in the media being asked not to say certain things, he hasn't posted a spoiler since season 5 of Buffy.
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No, what you described is closer to agnostic than atheist. An atheist is convinced there is no god much like a theist is convinced there is. Your analogy is much closer to the agnostic POV where you may not believe it is probable but you accept it may be possible.
Although is isn’t as trendy to be agnostic… so say you’re an a atheist – I’m sure you’ll be way more popular.
There is also a a 97% chance people who claim to be an atheist won’t get what I posted.
I hope the show doesn't suck... but it probably will...
Herc: do you know any NYrs? Savvy isn't what really comes to mind. -
I can't tell if he's still satirizing AsimovLive's nutty political beliefs, or if he's now spouting off his own nutty political beliefs.
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I can't believe I just fucking said that, but this season has been shockingly not horrible.
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Gif Uz Yor Rodentz heer Hu-man or Ve Vill Impregnate Zee Vimmen
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.."V" doesn't have an original premise. No fuckin shit.
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Newsweek's editor embodies the sort of uber-sycophancy that some posters here don't think is believable in 'V'.
He said: "We stand for something – I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." -
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/11/03/heroes-far-from-its-heights-but-far-from-dead/32493
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Makes perfect sense to me. The writers are pretty clever. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story
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...so V is to BSG.
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if you flip that argument around, you'd have to claim all theists are actually agnostic too, since only the fundies couldn't admit it is at least possible there is no god.
Athiesm is about your lack of a belief in god. I don't believe in god, or believe there is one. That's the definition of an atheist. If I was to say I don't know/don't care/don't have an opinion, then I'd be agnostic.
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Agreed. I've been one of those people disappointed by the last few years, but this season has been pretty good. I suppose I can still pick apart things I don't like, but it's considerably better than seasons two and three. Maybe my expectations are lower, but I've had a good time with it this season.
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...wireless mouse mated with a Goodyear blimp with a Jumbotron on it's belly? And shouldn't it be the size of Manhattan? Or were they afraid Emmerich would have the balls to sue THEM?
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It changed story arcs as well, leading to piss poor pay offs. What started as a show with awe became downright mundane and strained. By the end of the show, I felt like they were just making it up as they went a long. I didn't feel like much had been planned ahead (or if it had, was it any good). It sounds like the V show is really a let down to the network creativly, and given how 4400 went, that's not too surprising to me. Heroes ended up not being a better show than 4400, but I wouldn't say it was a lot worse. They were both let downs.
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The Catholic Church has rules about what beliefs are necessary prerequisites for membership in the Church, and what beliefs are acceptable for members to have. A belief in aliens is considered *acceptable*, but not *necessary*. So it's entirely possible for a Catholic priest to have a hard time believing in aliens. Besides, not even the Catholic Church has the power to alter an individual's sincere personal opinions on command.
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.. and Americans bought that, why wouldn't they buy that aliens come in peace?
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Very original post. Never heard "hope and change" mentioned in mocking Obama before.
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I used to get so annoyed she was here and never realized until just now that she was gone!
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Nov 03, 2009 6:39:08 PM CST
...As 99 (thousand) betterdeadthanred balloons go by...
by dreamseasonbobby
2 Daze worth of classic V footage from the syphlys network....it's great being unemployed; Winston has decided he loves Big Bro after all. I digress. The coolest thing to do for the remake would be to give a nod to the Simpsons/Futurama aliens who obsess over American TV (either version), and have some of the Visitors be obsessed with knowing how Lost is going to end. This would allow for a cross-over that's in-network but not actually a cross-over. Except that one of them could do a double take when they see Elizabeth and quote Kirk: "Aren't you dead?"
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Which is the only thing I'd actually watch her in.
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Search for: Morena Baccarin + Death In Love ;)
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V isn't even CLOSE to as good as Flash-Forward piloet and following episodes are/were.......
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A distinct lack of tension. And you know what they say about first impressions.....
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...and am I the only one who wants to see Dumbass Douche Biker Teen and Dull-witted Lardass Friend of Dumbass Douche Biker Teen suffer horrible fates ASAP?
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...V not so much
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...it's not like he's smoking tree
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...would be "You're not so bad yourself." Got a real cliche' factory on our hands here.
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...until something else pisses me off. So, Herc, how (if at all) does this differ from the version you saw? It seems like some of the criticisms you mentioned were downplayed or short-cut (the applauding, for instance) in the pilot that aired tonight. Were the V's reading AICN?
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Faints.
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and am watching this.
What's up with news dewds face?
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Ok... 90% of the episode was "mediocre" AT BEST... but the last 10% was pretty damn good.
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Completely gave away that some of the "good guys" were aliens? And which ones they were?
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...all you can do in these in these kind of arguments is make clear what your own definition is and be consistent. I'm an atheist, but not a dogmatic atheist. I'm not saying dogmatically, "I _know_ there is no God!" I'm saying the burden of proof is not on me, but on believers, as it is on believers in UFO aliens, or the Loch Ness monster, or fairies. If compelling evidence came my way, I would change my mind; but until it does, I'm an atheist as well as an afairist. Clear enough?
Oh, and chrth, any argument we have on this won't affect our agreement on the really important stuff, like the next season of 24, right? Looking forward to seeing you in the talkbacks.
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So her partner at the FBI is a lizard underneath? You know what would have broken this wide open- Taking his body back to show to the FBI. That would have been better than, you know, leaving his body and then talking to a priest on a rooftop. Also, why exactly was the army enforcing a line between this half of the crowd and that half of the crowd?
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Even if they did turn out to be lizards underneath. I'm pathetic.
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But hey, I've never seen the orginal and alien evil plot stuff always gets to me :D
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they did it on the original show, Donovan's son got brainwashed and joined the aliens. so that's just a thread from the original that they're redoing.
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Go directly to hell, do not past go, do not collect an after-life! BTW "faith" and "devotion" are two completely different things... *roll eyes. Back to SHOW... yeah, strange she just left her lizard partner there but maybe they were still "fleeing"?
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I appreciate all of your criticisms, but the one about the devotion and healing, I feel, was a little off. Did you miss the part when the guy in the wheelchair stood up and could walk again? Seems pretty Jesus-like to me. Watch the pilot again and see what you think. With all the shit that's being put on TV these days and all the good shows that are getting shit-canned because America is too stupid to understand them, let's give a fun concept based on a series that I absolutely loved as a child a fair chance. Just an observation
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Nov 03, 2009 8:25:19 PM CST
any show that shows a catholic priest as anything other than a p
by fireclown
That's cajones right there. And the Aliens promising universal health care as part of their plan to enslave mankind: GOLD!
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Dull as shit.
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The pilot sucked. It picked up a bit toward the end, but for the most part was piss-poor stuff designed to appeal to people for whom the very existence of a concept like "metaphor" must feel like a revelation. In some ways, it's not even as good as the (bad) original, which at least had the sense to take some time to develop. Such a good cast, so poorly used; this is as disappointed as I've been in a pilot in quite some time.
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...Herc saw. A lot of the critics had smilar opinions, and I furthermore bet the "v's" were listening. Last minute editing anyone?
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Nov 03, 2009 8:29:51 PM CST
Evil lizard aliens promising change and universal healthcare...
by victornewman
watch Fox News pick this up tomorrow morning as a legit news story.
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and showed that kid spraypainting in their defense. on the original series the "V" graffiti was done by the resistance because "V is for victory" but i guess they just wanted to give a little nod to the original series.
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So in the middle of a terrorist sleeper cell meeting you just announce that you recognize terrorists by their faces? How did she get this job?
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I enjoyed it for the most part, but could be I was blinded by Inara and Juliet. We'll see where it goes before I pass final judgment.
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I felt the same sense of urgency as I did watching the original, and they haven't really deviated all that much from the original script. Scott Wolfe is very convincing as a journalist with integrity who doesn't like to throw softball questions at Diana. Here's hoping he backs HER into a corner in one of their future interviews.
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Fuck them up their asses! They brought election result crawls on to cover the bottom of the screen for the first 10 minutes, showing us results with 2% or less reporting, and managed to cover up all the subtitles of Anna's opening speech and the credits. Then, they broke in to discuss why voter turnout was so low with a guy that looked like Robin Williams great grandpappy. Why the fuck did we need those interruptions during the premiere of ABC's heavily-advertised new show. I'd understand if they had at least half the votes tallied, but with less than 2% reported so far, there was no reason other than to give their ugly mugs a little facetime. Fuckers.
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Fuck them up their asses! They brought election result crawls on to cover the bottom of the screen for the first 10 minutes, showing us results with 2% or less reporting, and managed to cover up all the subtitles of Anna's opening speech and the credits. Then, they broke in to discuss why voter turnout was so low with a guy that looked like Robin Williams great grandpappy. Why the fuck did we need those interruptions during the premiere of ABC's heavily-advertised new show. I'd understand if they had at least half the votes tallied, but with less than 2% reported so far, there was no reason other than to give their ugly mugs a little facetime. Fuckers.
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when's AICN going to come into this decade and add an edit feature to the TB's?
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http://abc.go.com/shows/v/visitor-ambassadors
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typical hater talkbacker...would it be rude for me to call you a cocksucker? If it is I don't care, your opinion differs from mine and I hope you get a terminal disease. The original show was really good for it's time. Guess you were watching Falconcrest around then, huh?
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I don't hate the show yet but I am somewhat disappointed. Compared to the original it lacked an epic sense of scope and scale. The Visitors are so indistinct that they lack the "alien-ness" that Diana and co. had. Plus the whole thing feels far too rushed and on the noise.
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I don't hate the show yet but I am somewhat disappointed. Compared to the original it lacked an epic sense of scope and scale. The Visitors are so indistinct that they lack the "alien-ness" that Diana and co. had. Plus the whole thing feels far too rushed and on the noise.
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Dude, you forget - look at the Tea Party people. They'll follow their leaders into Hell JUST on the principle that they shouldn't be forced to help their fellow man when they don't want to. The New America is totally different from the old America. People here give you the stink-eye for HELPING SOEMONE IN NEED. You're a fool for assisting your fellow man. Of course they're going to cheer and applaud big-gun monsters. That's the new USA, and it's also - no coincidence - what people did when Hitler marched into many countries. Rock!
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Not only that but did you notice how she got into that meeting by telling the guards she was there for the meeting?WORST. DOORMEN. EVER!
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Definitely had a 4400 feel to it, but each of the characters on that show had a distinct purpose and personality, so it's all good. Elizabeth Mitchell/Her Son reminded me of Tom/Kyle. I would have liked to see more Tudyk. Also, the "background" is supposed to be modern day. They opened with the "do you remember..." stuff to set the show in reality.
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I understand what you're saying. I do miss the weird gravely voices and the Nazi-esque uniforms. I think they're speeding up the storyline to accommodate all of the sheep-people Americans out there. Remember, abc is only going to continue the series based on the ratings of the first 4 episodes, so you need to get all of the stupid-ass viewers involved right away. I loved the old show and I even thought the first mini-series sort of dragged a little. All of the good action and story started in V The Final Battle. One would hope the scale and scope will evolve...but it is network television...so who the fuck knows?
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casting her as an FBI agent was a terrible idea, she's not remotely convincing. Not her fault, the fault of who thought she'd be right for that role.
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They showed a local Packer hourlong instead, and plan to show "V" at 11:00pm CST SATURDAY NIGHT.. What the hell??!! If I was an ABC exec... I'd threaten the hell out of them.
It's BS not to show ANY Network show. Is this just once you ask?? Uh Uhh... all NOVEMBER they will do this!
If I was an ABC exec... I'd threaten the hell out of them...
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I liked the show, but yeah... definitely not the set up of the old show or even an ID4 even... It looked like they really needed to have something happen by the end of hour 1. Probably should have come out in a 2 hour starter with more build up... Does it looked retooled at all to those that saw it earlier?
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In addition to several of the complaints mentioned above, the execution killed whatever resonance they were hoping to squeeze out of scenes that whizzed by at the speed of sound. For instance...
- Crowds of New Yorkers just dumbly clap at a short-haired woman's promise of peace just seconds after that very same crowd of New Yorkers was running for their lives as fighter jets fell out of the sky with lifeless pilots parachuting to the ground.
- Other than two of the lead characters being slightly cross with how their immediate friends and family are reacting, no one seems to be the least bit concerned of the arrival of space aliens. Sure, we get a few seconds of throwaway scenes of people protesting for unexplained reasons, but there's no impact as the fast-forward button is hit and we rocket into the next scene.
- We are blatantly told not to care the least about the original series. One of the signature moments of the original came when Abraham, the old man who survived the concentration camps of the Holocaust, instructs children to graffiti a red V for Victory over the Visitors' propaganda posters. In the 2009 remake, the V graffiti is nonchalantly mentioned as a sign of SUPPORT of the Visitors in an emotionally blunt moment of single-FBI-mom-tackles-teen-angst.
- In a similar moment, the fantastic reveal in the original series that the Visitors were evil reptiles in disguise is completely buried in the remake by some man in a poorly-lit warehouse simply saying "The Visitors are evil reptiles in disguise." -
They glossed over all the possible tension of the introduction of the aliens. The first 8 minutes of the episode should have been the last 8 of a two-hour premire. Then they blew several wads and gave us multiple "reveals" in the same 1-hour episode. I can't see what they will use to build tension in the future, except the "Vs-eating-bunnies" shot and the inevitable "stupid punk kid boinks hot blonde V and she gets pregnant" bit.
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It lacked tension. I didn't care about what was happening. STARGATE UNIVERSE has better character drama for crissake. And nobody is likable. Well, maybe that sexy Visitor that was wearing a low-cut top, but she's a lizard and my momma wants me to marry a nice, Jewish girl!
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One of the many shows/movies that fails to recognize that the internet and cell phones would have EXPLODED with images of dead lizardmen years ago. Or do they control every government, law enforcement, and internet user on earth?
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Is William Shatner's son-in-law? Fucking crazy, Wikipedia!
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You can find "pictures" of lizard people online right now if you tried. Most people would ignore it or think its a viral marketing campaign for the latest JJ Abrams movie.
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Nov 03, 2009 11:08:19 PM CST
da-giez haha, didn't the Packers get beat last Sunday?
by lockesbrokenleg
Your team sucks.
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I totally agree with that concept. They should have done that. Adelai Niska, I think that's sort of what they're building up to, that they have been here manipulating things...but like I said, it's network TV, so who knows. Let's see what happens. It's better than watching fucking NCIS.
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very not exciting. That made heroes look fantastic.
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I thought I was watching David Icke's conspiracy theories in action more so than an actual remake of the original series...
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Would have filled it out better and helped the pacing I'm sure
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I hold the original series in such high regard I knew this rehash couldnt hold a candle to it. How many more fucking sci-fi series are we going to get with the premise of "alien bad guys" disguised as humans, with the season filled with reveals of "surprise so and so is really an alien"?
The original series need not fuck with that lazy shit because it was always about us vs them, but being powerless to do anything about it. Every single one of the visitors had a fucked up voice and wore a red jumpsuit.
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It was so obvious that they were not shooting in NYC... the sunlight was blarring. Then...a massive UFO is creating a giant shadow over the city yet all of those underneath it as drenched in sunlight? The dialogue was HORRIFIC, there's nothing to differentiate between human and alien, calling them "V's" is dumb as hell-- wouldn't we at least ask them where they are from?, Mitchell's "reaction" to her partner/friend/whatever being an alien was no where to be seen, those teens need to die quickly...I could go on all night. 75% terrible.
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...the problem however, is the story is not designed to be a series, it is made for a mini series format, and should remain that. Soon, they will run-out of directions to go with the series, though, at present, they are in the "Lost" mode of luring us along with a bread trail of story points. I don't like shows like that, I like it when a series gets to the point of its core concept, does "The Big Reveal", and moves on to how the characters react to their enemy and the conflict between them, that being, the good guys and the bad guys. When you don't have that, direct...and open conflict, and string along your audience endlessly, episode after episode...it becomes boring. I fear that will happen with the new V, although I liked the opener very much.
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Everyone acted the same. The only one with a hint of a character was the priest. The acting was so bland I thought it was a CW pilot. Oh well, the effects were cool. And the fact that Whedon isn't in the vicinity of this assures me this show will last awhile.
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You hit the nail on the head; the characters are all very generic. I will grant that it is a pilot and the characters need to grow, but nothing stands out at you. The original V had some great character actors who made their characters pop. Singer as Donovan was a charismatic action lead, and Ironside is always badass. As for the lizards so far they are pretty disappointing, Anna is obviously hot, but there is nothing evil or sinister about her, Dianna was such an Iconic villain, I was expecting something more along those lines.
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I watched both V mini series last week, and you could tell right away who the good guy was, the scapegoat, the friendly alien, etc. Here, it was just a mishmash of characters. I was fascinated by that guy who turned out to be a lizard, and the reporter guy was cool. But Mitchell was terrible. She was shitty in this.
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Nov 04, 2009 2:55:36 AM CST
The promos feature a scene involving Wolf’s character, Chad Deck
by eveelcapitalist
Because it's a metaphor for the media and Obama during the election. The V are Obama with their bullshit promises of peace in our time and "universal healthcare", and Wolf's Decker, as the shameless cockgobbling media whore, is a metaphor for the shameless cockgobbling whores in the media.
Hey, it's a right-wing show? Ah, hell, I'll give it a shot. If the NYT hates it, it can't be all bad. -
Found some nice video clip of boobage.
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I think in Icke's worldview, the lizards are not aliens, so much as from another dimension, no?
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With all this religious talk, there should be a voice included.
Mamuwalde a.k.a. Blacula: "Man needs ritual, some form of worship to combat the very real existence of death. I look upon that as one of man's basic needs." -
DItto buddy :) THe show was great by the way..
The promos feature a scene involving Wolf’s character, Chad Deck
by eveelcapitalist Nov 4th, 2009
02:55:36 AM
Because it's a metaphor for the media and Obama during the election. The V are Obama with their bullshit promises of peace in our time and "universal healthcare", and Wolf's Decker, as the shameless cockgobbling media whore, is a metaphor for the shameless cockgobbling whores in the media. Hey, it's a right-wing show? Ah, hell, I'll give it a shot. If the NYT hates it, it can't be all bad. -
I love your post. It is true that Obama supporters simply do not get the comparisons.. Herc included..
Herc not getting the Visitor worship
by blue1622 Nov 3rd, 2009
11:45:41 AM
yes. if only we had some contemporary analog for an inspiring figure promising hope and change being embraced by (some of) the masses with religious fervor. then this storyline might actually be relatable. Herc also mentions he thought the pro-alien youth came off as "ridiculously overenthusiastic dorks"...yes, kind of like how you Obama loving lot have looked for the past 18 months. -
It is going to be cancelled. Heck, behind the scenes are better than what will probably air. If a show has this many problems then I think it is safe to say that it shouldn't have been attempted to be made.
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The Chicago Tribune story was right! I realize it is probably a coincidence, since we all know that everyone in Hollywood is a liberal democrat. I'm sure that's why the show stopped production actually....the head honchos at ABC realized the parallels after 4 episodes and demanded the series get a complete overhaul to change the show as much as possible. I'm sure there won't be any more references to Universal Health Care and the media will stop asking softball questions to the Vs when the show returns in early next year.
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...take the show out back and put it out of its misery. By christian bale's beard that was awful...Why is the series moving faster than the mini-series? You truly have bad writing when an 80s mini-series does better character development than a your series. They have time to develop the characters and the story line, but they rush through at least 2 hours of the mini-series in the first hour.
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dont scare me man, i believe that shit, OBAMA is controlling us like the socialist he is!!! tell me its not true because ive just had it use him! OH LOOK WE ELECTED A BLACK MAN...OH LOOK WE LOST OUR FREEDOMS!
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that way it would relate to current times and current fears. TV needs to be more "right" now. when a stupid leader excludes a TV news station and declaring it something other than a news channel then he just needs to be kicked out of office immediatly. i find obama to be deeply disturbing and his goals are menacing
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It is a shame if the delay and re-writes of the show are simply because it paralleled Obamamania too much including the universal healthcare propaganda angle. I will stop watching the show if they screwed up the current premise....:V is about Obamamania after all!!
by FlandersBum Nov 4th, 2009
05:02:06 AM
The Chicago Tribune story was right! I realize it is probably a coincidence, since we all know that everyone in Hollywood is a liberal democrat. I'm sure that's why the show stopped production actually....the head honchos at ABC realized the parallels after 4 episodes and demanded the series get a complete overhaul to change the show as much as possible. I'm sure there won't be any more references to Universal Health Care and the media will stop asking softball questions to the Vs when the show returns in early next year. -
Cool...Now I get to cheer for the aliens to try to pull dumb-ass humanity's dumb-ass heads out of their dumb-ass...uh...asses...
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Obama will not tolerate and take hard questions from Fox News (and now avoids them entirely) just like Anna will not tolerate a news anchor that asks any negative questions that puts them in bad light. It's so simple a fifth grader should be able to see the parallels here.
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Nov 04, 2009 6:43:28 AM CST
Way to slip your Hero-worship of Howard Stern in this...
by coughlins laws
Yeah, Howard Stern is such a great interviewer he would have had them talking about their lizard-alien cocks within 5 minutes and asked Anna to go for a ride on the sybian. It would have been great!!!
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not attractive like they keep saying? I found it distracting that they kept calling her attractive. I think she was a bad choice for this and I don't think she's pretty, especially with that hair cut. Also, I think this Pilot moved WAYYY too fast. Didn't it take 2 or 3 hours of the first one to reveal the intention of the visitors and in this they show it in half an hour?
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she looked super in SG-1 with that Ori cloth
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A review from the magazine Slate noted that journalists and bloggers have seen V as an anti-Obama allegory.[14] In response, executive producer Scott Peters maintained, "We are not looking to put any sort of agenda onto the table."
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Anyone else notice how fast this show moved? Not a good sign. I'm surprised they didn't go the miniseries route first and have more time to develop things.
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Which do stick your man sausage into? YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE HOMIE, WHICH ONE!? I chose not to include skinjobs from BSG, those are too bangable.
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The guy everybody thought was loopy with his crazy conspiracy theories! "Vs are reptiles here to take over!". "Umm, ya whatever". Then it turns out he was right after all. Again, I know realistically this is all coincidence, but man it's just funny how this looks.
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I'm a purist that grew up with the original V and loved every minute of it. I hadn't planned on watching the remake last night, but nothing was on so I gave it a shot. I actually thought it wasn't bad at all. Sure it isn't Emmy material, but it entertained me throughout the hour and at no point did I anticipate the episode ending. Sure there were some hokey parts like everyone clapping and just accepting them (especially after referencing Indepedence Day!), but I would give it a solid B/B+ rating.
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Ok, a little spoilerish coming up. As others have said, there is a lot of lazy writing and disjointed scenes. I too see that this show is to Obama as the original miniseries was to the Nazis. Between the universal healthcare part and playing on the perceived devotion to Obama that was gripping the country when the pilot was filmed, the showrunners aren't hiding their parrallels to Obama.
Although the aliens already being here for years part is not exactly an original idea, I do think it will bring an added dimension to the show that wasn't there in the original miniseries. Granted, this could veer horribly wrong if done poorly.
I see the son's story and character getting annoying very quickly. He already has annoying snot-nosed teen written all over him.
I think they revealed Alan Tuyck's character as a Vistor far too quickly. Granted it was obvious he was one, but they shouldn't have revealed it to Elizabeth Mitchell so quickly.
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I actually thought that it was better (meaning not as bad) as FlashForward. Bring on the hot lizards.
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I was reading Hercules's review yesterday and I need to address all his disapppointments.
1) People are fucking sheep. They were just scared and worried that they were going to be destroyed. Now they hear the aliens have a messsage of peace and assistance so they are cheering and applauding. It's as much from relief as anything else. Flowerpots are a very minor thing indeed.
2) The military would have seen the ships coming from a ways off and scramble planes to intercept, like they did. The ground troops would have been sent in as well. For all we know, her son was in the area near where the plane wentn down so they would want to keep people back from things.
3) There would be some upset at him not asking much, but most people are sheep and are busy looking at these Visitors with interest.
4) Yes they have advanced weapons, but if they showed up and said "Your planet is ours bitches, then they have the entire world against them. If they slide in (like snakes heh) and are all nice and make themselves appear useful, they get tons of people on their side and they don't NEED to use the weapons until they are already entrenched.
5) He's obviously trying to ingratiate himself to Anna, and look! It worked.
6) There are lots of religious people who reject the idea that there is any other life out there b/c they feel WE are god's people. Of course, many of these people also believe the Hindu's will burn in hell cuz they don't believe in Jesus *shrug*
7) People practically worship fucking ACTORS in real life, why wouldn't they do the same for these aliens. Also, I guarantee you that if a doctor showed up and started curing cancers, diabetes, etc, all things that scientists have been unable to do for years, that man would receive such praise and thankfulness that you wouldn't believe.
8) Ahh to be a teenager again. Yes the kids are full of "OMG COOL!" and yes , the opposite sex seduction has been done to death, but this is also keeping most of the V story intact, so you had to expect this. First time I saw the kid I figured he would be the one joining the Hitler youth, er, Visitor friends :)
9) Funny, I've had conversations where phrases much like that were used specifically. It all depends on who you know. I have friends who talk like that a lot.
In short, I pretty much disagree with everything Hercules said. Oh and someone complained about them not setting up the world. They asked at the beginning "Where were you this morning?", implying invading our world now. We already KNOW all the problems afflicting our world right now and we know how shitty everything is. Why waste time telling us what we already know? -
So pretty much no one saw it here. Lame.
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Season 2 just started.
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Sweet!
Haven't seen Stabby in a while. I'll bring the script (all 619 pages of it.... oh yeah, it's gonna be a gooden folks!).
Dioxholster's ok, it's David Tennant I'm worried about. I still owe him like 200 bucks from the time I "shouted" a round of drinks from TGI's and scatted before the bill came. He left me a threatening phone message last week and has been sending naked pictures of himself with my name stamped on his chest in wasabi sauce (I'm not sure if he's a stable gentleman).
Anyway, I have to cut it short Ssquirel. The acid I popped earlier is just starting to kick in and the phantasmagoria's have started. Later homie.
P.S. Why?! Why am I still cursed with waking up evey morning???!!
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Fuck dollhouse..... AAHHAHAHAAA phantasmagoria's ?!?!!!
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Great show
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tvbythenumbers says 4.9 in the key demo.
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Nov 04, 2009 11:09:30 AM CST
Did anyone notice the 4400 address at the resistant meeting plac
by biko_que
Now I know why they used that street number, the pilot creater Scott Peters. Interesting.
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Since AICN has abandoned all hope for the show, thought I'd just insert this here:
Monday nights show was one of the best this season, even if they did mess with the rules, as they always do and subsequently piss off sci-fi fan-boys. What was up with Bennett's partner?? She was a normal and they have established already that the Company teams were always "one of them, one of us". So that made no sense. Nice though to see Charlie, Issac, and a brief glimpse of that dark haired girl killed off way too early in season one (her name escapes me now). -
But was disappointed by the lack of cardboad boxes for stuntmen to fall off of balconies into.
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I think she'll be a household name after this show. Looking forward to seeing more of her! (And to the Death in Love DVD!)
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The comparison of the V’s idolization by the humans for them wanting to bring “change” and “hope” and “universal healthcare” (they actually said it) to what is clearly some presumed hero-worship of Obama, and thus insinuating a sinister nature to his Presidency, is god damn offensive and insulting. I get the message that we shouldn’t be excluding anything and everyone from criticism. That is a sound message. But the above quotes were clearly intended to compare Obama to evil lizard people that want to destroy the country under the guise of societal progress and it was ridiculous and went too far. Think I’m nuts? Well ABC is the network that brought us “Path to 9-11” which was a right-wing hit piece that misrepresented the 9-11 Commission Report almost entirely.
And the show doesn’t even see its own glaring hypocrisy with the priest character that joins the resistance. People flood in droves to church to pray after the V’s arrive, which is annoying because aliens would fly in the face of Christian doctrine, would it not? But I get that. People are scared and need something to turn to. The part that’s hypocritical is that this same priest warns against the public being duped by the aliens and warns against admiration of the V’s becoming worship, and then becoming devotion. HE’S A PRIEST! He gets people to worship a god and devote themselves to it entirely on faith alone, often by indoctrinization at an early age! WTF?!
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Pretty damn good numbers.
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I remember the original series, and was a huge fan of it. This is pretty good to be a remake, IMHO.
Everyone's talking about the so-called Obama references. Well, I loved the line calling Independence Day a ripoff!
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I can't believe people say this is about the Obama agenda, regardless about how you feel about Obama. This is a remake of the 1983 mini-series of which they had the same elements. Worship, devotion, indoctrination, the 5th Colony, etc. And Reagan was President then. The creators of the 83 series said it was Nazis in Space. Yes he said Universal Healthcare and it was a joke. He meant literally Universal Healthcare. Geez would you have preferred they remade the original series and changed everything about it and just have the aliens arrive offering war and despair? By the way, to say the Priest is hypocritical cause he preaches to worship God but says he doesn't want people worshiping the aliens is not understanding that he preaches about worshiping God, NOT aliens. Cmon!
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I've only read about half way down the talk back so far, and I see it was touched on a little, but I'm going to chime in and if this has already been stated, sorry.
The reason that alien life is seen as incompatible with Christianity ties to the idea of original sin. The Bible states that all of creation is cursed due to mankind's sin, and is now in a state of entropy. The problem with aliens ties to all of creation being cursed. If there are other intelligent creatures in the universe, they would now be cursed as well. Or if they weren't, then would they be allowed to interact with us, a fallen species?
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And yes, the Catholic church accepts evolution and, as a result, aliens.
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You can't see how a priest would have a hard time reconciling the existence of God and aliens? Really? Let's try this: The Bible talks about Adam and Eve, the heavens and Earth, the place of Man among the beasts, etc. It makes absolutely no mention of other worlds. The teachings of the Church are that man is pretty much the center of the action and the most important of God's creations. Man and man's relationship with God is all-important. There is frankly no room for the inhabitants of other worlds. If Herc would bother to perform even the most cursory of research, he wouldn't ask such asinine questions. But what else should I expect from this place? "Real journalism" at AICN only matters when a contributor actually gets exclusive access to a news story; and that ain't very often. This site is meant almost exclusively for bomb-throwing. It should have a ".gov" address and a direct link to the White House website.
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Obama and his minions are actually lizard men setting machinations in place for world domination? Seems plausible to me. I wouldn't be surprissed to find out Barney Frank was actually from Uranus. And Nancy Pelosi is from Pluto.
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I enjoyed it, though I missed a few key moments getting my 8 month old ready for bed. My biggest complaint was that it felt rushed. The events of this episode seem like they should have taken place over several, give it more of a slow burn.
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First of all, it didn't look like everyone was applauding to me, more like 60% of them. I fail to see why that is so unrealistic seeing how freaked everyone was when the ship first opened up, I would applaud out of relief that it wasn't a death ray.
I really hope we get so some of the V's social dynamic, like do they have families for instance? And how do you justify betraying your own species, anyway? I'm kind of hoping the invaders aren't completely vicious and have their reasons for killing us all, like surival for instance. -
Oh, no, wait a minute, he said he was a vampire, that's right. For a minute I thought he was being insulting before I remembered he's just bat-shit crazy.
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sucking so hard, Flashforward and V. Sign... there's always Day One to look forward to.
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They already did it: it's called "Heroes." They even brought Tim Kring back to do it the second time.
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they mentioned the V's had enemies that the kidnapped humans would fight, then the humans even tried to contact those aliens, but did they ever pursue that plot point any further in The Final Battle or the tv series?
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Whether it is about Obama or not, the producers have already said they weren't going to follow the Nazi allogories that were in the original series and deal with more relevant issues of the day. Hence why the visitors seem more like the Obama administration than the Nazi regime so far. Whether the parallels between the Vistors and Obama continue, we will find out. But don't expect the parallels to Hitler and the Nazis that the original V had.
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Nov 04, 2009 1:59:02 PM CST
They mentioned that the Vistiors have been on Earth for
by lockesbrokenleg
many years. They have been dumbing down the humans to the point they would applaud when their "brothers" came. I wonder if Ryan knew that his brothers were showing up that day?
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Kenneth Johnson who created the original miniseries left before the Final Battle due to creative differences. So many of his visions and characters from the original were altered. Him leaving did give us a great character like Ham Tyler, but it also gave us the stupid Elizabeth character and the weak ending.
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So the "V" are responsible for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen!!! That would explain so much.
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I loved the original V but this one did not hold my attention at all...I was so bored watching it and I doubt I'll tune in for any more. There was just no "WOW" factor.....
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at the end of the first miniseries. They never went back to that story, but it would be great if the new show picked that plotline up.
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Actually Kenneth Johnson tried to convince NBC to do a mini-series with that plotline (almost happened) based on his book V:The Second Generation. Most of the original cast agreed to come back to play their characters 20 years later. Warner Brothers (who own the rights to the series) dropped it in favor of this series.
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Yeah, I read all about that, and I read that second book. It would have been cool.
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And my only source of mental distraction was last night's episode of V, I would most assuredly fall asleep at the wheel during the early afternoon, careening off the road and into a house full of fluffy kittens... exploding said house with my car, thus destroying all of the kittens. Yeah... this shit was dull.
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But Morena Baccarin is hot. Long legs.
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November 04, 2009
Leapin' lizards! ABC's 'V' premiere lands big ratings
They came, they saw, they conquered primetime.
ABC's "V" premiere was Tuesday's highest-rated program in the adult demo, cracking usual leader CBS' drama-series choke-hold on the evening.
"V" was seen by 13.9 million viewers and had a 5.0 preliminary rating among adults 18-49.
That's the biggest scripted series premiere rating for a freshman show this fall.* And particularly impressive for a show that's self-starting ABC's lineup (it's the highest-rated 8 p.m. drama series debut since ... ABC's "Lost," actually). Compared to the "Shark Tank" average in the time period, "V" was up a rather dizzying 213%.
"V" bested tough competition from "NCIS" (19.4 million, 4.2), which nonetheless ranked as the evening's most-watched show. The alien invasion drama gained 4% from its first half hour to its second.
Critics were a bit all over the map on "V", ranging from a rave in USA Today to NY Times calling it slapdash and formulaic to Hollywood Reporter landing somewhere in between. (Most agreed, however, that the scene below rocked).
Since a dissatisfied ABC changed showrunners on the series after seeing the first four episodes, it should be interesting to see if "V" is able to maintain its ratings strength over the coming weeks. If it does, ABC will bring back the show starting with Episode 5 in March. ABC's other new sci-fi drama, "FlashForward," also launched strong in an 8 p.m. slot, but has since softened in the ratings amid some viewer frustration and a showrunner shakeup.
The 8 p.m. "V" surge put ABC just a tenth of a point behind CBS for the nightly win. "NCIS" wasn't impacted much by "V," slouching 11% from its last original airing two weeks ago. "NCIS: Los Angeles" (15 million, 3.5) was down 10%. "Good Wife" (12.2 million, 2.7) won 10 p.m. and slipped a tenth.
After "V," audiences didn't stick around to boost ABC's "Dancing With the Stars" (14.5 million, 3.1), which was only up a tenth -- very different crowds. "The Forgotten" (7.6 million, 2.0) was also steady.
NBC's two-hour "Biggest Loser" (9 million, 3.4) was down 16% to tie its season low, though topped 9 p.m. "The Jay Leno Show" (5.9 million, 2.0) had a welcome rise from last Tuesday -- up 11%. Fox's "So You Think You Can Dance" (6.1 million, 2.4) slipped a tenth. The CW's "90210" (2.1 million, 1.1) was on par while "Melrose Place" (1.5 million, 0.8) gained a bit.
* Might change in the nationals if "V" slips -- "Cleveland Show" drew a 4.9 for its premiere ...
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I liked it. I liked it as much as I could for knowing the basic plotline and the fact that they were lizards underneath. And I would say Herc saw previews based on what he said. He hated it before he even saw it if he did.
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How the hell does a "good" lizard fall in love and want to marry a human being? Lizards would want to marry lizards, not us smooth freaks. And then what, he wants to have little hybrid lizard babies? WTF?
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Nov 04, 2009 5:17:13 PM CST
kesoze4, I'd fuck a iizard chick if it was Morena Baccarin
by yackbacker
You're a racist. Apologize to the lizards reading this.
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Awful, boring, right-wing garbage. Cut it off a half-hour in, rewatched CRANK: DIRECTOR'S CUT instead.
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Funny, Herc's been posting overnight ratings, but for whatever reason, he hasn't done it for "V". Could it be he panned it, so he's not going to give it any credit? So, what's the problem Herc? You had time to post "Caprica" info, so we know you've been around today. Get to it already!!!!
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Pretty interesting, thanks for the info. It would be cool if the new show did something along the lines of a 2nd invasion by the V enemy species and an all out 3 way war on Earth.
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Seriously. Also, I don't buy this "V is a right wing show" bull. I think it's easy to see that when you're already on the search for it. Plain example of cultural discourse influencing art, not the other way round. (Did I just say V was art? Wwhoops).
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Crank? Are you fucking kidding me? Crank is stupid people tv. V was, is and always has been an allegory of evil intentions cloaked by extravagant promises. Seems like even the dumbed down newer version was just too much for your lil head to process. Jason Statham dialing a cell phone and apologizing his girlfriend while falling from a skyscraper. That's entertainment to you. Fine. But don't say it trumps the sociopolitical message of V. And yes, entertainment CAN be intelligent as well as fun. I don't buy the Transformers argument that you can either suspend your disbelief and have fun or you can take yourself too seriously. There IS a way to accomodate both.
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With all of the left-wing propaganda that explodes out of the anus of Hollywood every second, I find it hilarious that you leftys are actually bitching about this. But then again, bitching is what the left does best. The rightys on the other hand are just good at blowing shit up. I really don't see how this can be any kind of comparison to our current President since he's done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, good or bad, since he's been in office. Right...Left...who gives a fuck? It's all the same machine and none of them give a flying fuck about you or me...it's all about money and power. Just shut the fuck up and watch the TV show about alien lizards or don't. Stop turning everything into a political battle and just try to enjoy something for once. Bunch of fucking morons.
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Maybe the next Presidential address we can get Obama to sit there in street gear surrounded by a pile of skanks, holding a 40, a couple of lines cut on the table in front of him and tell people "Welcome to the new Black House." Have him say he's done nothing for a full year and got bank to prove it.
I think this is the fantasy some of the right wingers have in mind. The whole "universal healthcare" line is just that. A line. The Democrats haven't gotten it passed yet and the Republicans don't seem to feel everyone deserves it. "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" people. A large percentage of the bankruptcies every year are for medical charges. How many of those wouldn't occur if medicine was more affordable? -
Break out the laser guns, and lighten up the visuals. The "cloudy overcast" look is getting boring. Through in some color for cripes sake.
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My blooper.
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Way better than Dollhouse. Not even a close race.
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