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Leno On NBC Affiliates: ‘They Seem To Be Hanging In There!!’

Published at:  Nov 02, 2009 7:23:30 PM CST



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From a new Broadcasting & Cable interview with Jay Leno:

B&C: You've had good affiliate relationships for a long time. What's that like now with the negative press?

LENO: I called a bunch of them last week. Unless they are the greatest actors in the world, they seem to be hanging in there and say they are in it for the long haul. I called Baltimore, Boston, the head of the affiliate board. They don't see it as dire as a lot of people are making it out to be….I think they seemed pleased that someone on at 10 o'clock is concerned about their well-being and their lead-in.


Affiliates have recently seen decreases in ratings for their post-"Leno" local newscasts, as well as for NBC's late-night shows.

Leno also tells B&C he would have preferred to stay at 11:35 p.m. and if NBC offered him 11:35 p.m. again, he’d take it.

Find all of B&C’s lengthy interview with Leno here.

“Leno” is currently NBC’s lowest-rated primetime show. The B&C piece points out that in 18-49 it averaged a 1.6 in its fifth week, but its most recent airings appear to have averaged below the 1.5 level, despite CBS airing repeats of “CSI Miami,” “The Good Wife” and “CSI NY” opposite new episodes of "Leno" on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of last week.

Here’s how “Leno” has been trending in 18-49 (older weeks in parentheses):

1.3 (1.4) (1.5) (1.5) (1.7) (1.8) (5.3) The Jay Leno Show (Mon)
1.8 (1.8) (1.8) (2.1) (2.3) (2.5) (3.4) The Jay Leno Show (Tue)
1.5 (1.5) (1.8) (1.7) (1.9) (2.0) (3.5) The Jay Leno Show (Wed)
1.5 (1.6) (1.8) (1.7) (1.6) (1.7) (2.7) The Jay Leno Show (Thu)
1.2 (1.4) (1.3) (1.4) (1.4) (1.6) (2.2) The Jay Leno Show (Fri)

Friday's 1.2 was the lowest for "Leno" to date.

On Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, “Leno” follows “The Biggest Loser,” “Law & Order SVU” and “30 Rock,” three of NBC’s highest-rated series. On Mondays and Fridays it follows “Trauma” and “Dateline,” two of the network’s least-watched.


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    Readers Talkback

  • Nov 02, 2009 12:23:25 PM CST

    bit surprised

    by frodofraggins

  • Nov 02, 2009 12:23:55 PM CST

    Are there quite a few geriatric talk backers. . .

    by nice marmot

    . . . that might find this interesting?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Nov 02, 2009 12:24:37 PM CST

    oops

    by frodofraggins

    surprised that he called the affiliates that is, not that they were polite to him. I still think they are going to bail on him, but at this point it's not like NBC can fill those hours with new shows.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:25:48 PM CST

    Don't have to be a hater to want lenos show to go

    by frodofraggins

    Anyone that appreciates good drama should be unhappy that Leno removes 5 hours from the air each week.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Monday = 5.3Tuesday = 3.4Wednesday = 3.5Thursday = 2.7Friday = 2.2Still, looks like Tuesday is his best night on average.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:28:22 PM CST

    Leno always calls affiliates...

    by bigtuna

    He did in the year leading up to Johnny retired so they'd like him more than Dave. And him stating he'd take the Tonight Show back if asked is a B.S move.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:30:32 PM CST

    The fact that he had to call them....

    by kirbymanly

    ...says a LOT about his current situation. Also, if I were Conan and read what he said about "11:30", I'd be pissed as all hell. Fuck off, Leno. Just go away.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:35:06 PM CST

    I don't think Leno could be as successful at 11:30

    by bigtuna

    as he was before. They guys been exposed and roasted like never before. He's been ruined by this. It's his mistake. He should have gone to ABC.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:35:06 PM CST

    Oh my god, Jay WOULD take the Tonight Show back

    by indygold

    if he had a chance. What a vulture he is. He screwed over Dave for the Tonight show and wouldn't hesitate to screw over Conan or anyone else.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:36:08 PM CST

    Interesting Interview

    by hebrokeaway

    A very small part of me wondered if Leno would use his sweeping five-night power and freedom to go back to his early style and material. I mean, NBC simply can't put him on a leash if they want to; they have too much invested in this for them to try and reign him in publically. So I hoped Leno might say screw it and do the show he wants to do, and not The Tonight Show 2. This interview, where he proudly boasts to being the dull mainstream go-to advertisement generator, means he's a lost cause. He'll never get the fire back.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:39:56 PM CST

    Context?

    by canuck815

    Man, unless the context of that 11:30 question is different in the interview then that is just one big "Fuck You" to Conan. And to that I issue a Fuck You right back atcha, Jay.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:44:03 PM CST

    Way to throw Conan under the bus there, Jay

    by phimseto

    Good to see you living up to your long-time reputation that way.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:45:33 PM CST

    Tuesday has been his best night (on average)

    by big jim

    Monday = 2.1Tuesday = 2.2Wednesday = 2.0Thursday = 1.8Friday = 1.5According to those numbers, weekly averages show the steady ratings declineWeek 1 = 3.42Week 2 = 1.92Week 3 = 1.78Week 4 = 1.68Week 5 = 1.64Week 6 = 1.54Week 7 = 1.46So, yeah, it seems like the affiliates might be in need of some placating.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:45:56 PM CST

    Leno AND NBC are to blame. Sorry, Jay apologists...

    by pennsydeux

    but your guy needs to fess up that he fucked up here. If you wanted to stay at 11:30, then maybe you shouldn't have kept dropping hints about moving to ABC to compete against Conan. That's why NBC bent and submitted and gave your sorry ass 25% of its prime time lineup. Which has resulted in Sons of Anarchy and The Real Cunts of Atlanta tying your show in the demo and a CSI Miami rerun trouncing you. Time for the station managers of the NBC O&O's to stage a rebellion and kick Leno the fuck outta there.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:50:30 PM CST

    The affiliates may good actors, but Leno isn't

    by rob0729

    Seriously, do you really think that people are buying that the affiliates are happy that eventhough their 11 o clock news are losing ratings at an exponential scale, that it is made up by the fact that Leno cares?!? According to the Boston Globe, WHDH's (the local NBC affiliate)11 o'clock news ratings are down 50%. WHDH already threatened to drop Leno until NBC threatened to pull their affiliation. If I was Jay, I'd probably wear a bullet proof vest if he decides to return home to Boston. But hey, they love them there.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:50:32 PM CST

    Leno's gotta eat!

    by jaycieboy

    Just saying.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:52:14 PM CST

    Sorry

    by rob0729

    WHDH's drop of 50% was in viewers ages 25-54. Apparently, the geriactric set didn't drop off as much.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:58:04 PM CST

    Hang in there, Dave

    by daggor

    I was getting the feeling that Letterman was holding out for Jay to fail, and would then announce his retirement in a few years. Now Dave has to ride his new viewership a bit longer - possibly the full two years of Leno's contract - before handing the reins over to the obvious choice, Jon Stewart.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 12:59:51 PM CST

    Leno, just retire already!

    by browncoat_jedi

    He needs to just go play in Vegas for the rest of his life. What an ego, taking down NBC and all affiliates with him.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:05:14 PM CST

    Uh..Actually Rob0729.....

    by karuma

    NBC wanted Jay gone from 11:30 a long time before he was. They saw that Conan was pulling huger numbers in late night with the almighty 18-49 group and thought those numbers would move with him to 11:30. Guess what? Wrong. Jay held out to 2009 but even then was still beating Dave in total viewers but the younger viewers were split between Dave and Conan. 18-49 demo rules all decisions, right or not.

    And IndyGold, uh, just plain wrong. NBC did Dave wrong, not Leno. They thought his kind of humor wouldn't play well in Johnny's slot after he left and felt more comfortable with Jay because he was less controversial, more like Johnny than Dave was. It was Dave's decision to jump to CBS and no one else's and he will continue to beat Conan's numbers until he retires.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:05:32 PM CST

    MOVE MONDAY NIGHT RAW TO NBC.

    by shermdawg

    VINCE MCMAHON WILL SAVE YOUR ASSES.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:21:36 PM CST

    Leno Should've Gone To ABC

    by bre32

    Even so, this whole AICN "deathwatch" for his show is getting silly. Jay was afraid NBC would panic, so he made them commit to two years. But even if Jay did suddenly leave, NBC still wouldn't know what to do with that 10pm slot. (Southland fans should rejoice that the show got moved to a better network.) It doesn't sound like he really believes he will return to the Tonight Show, either. His comment was made after repeated "Would you?" promptings by the interviewer. The interviewer also points out that he's still averaging the same kind of audience he had at 11:30. So regardless of what happens with the current show, he will probably still be a viable late night commodity for some time.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:25:45 PM CST

    So Leno reads AICN?

    by jaysin420

    and hes responding? haha classic.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Yes, Jay...I'm SURE everything's just fine in Happy Magic Land.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:39:28 PM CST

    Actually, Shermdawg . . .

    by skidmarkedundies

    I know you kid somewhat, but I think it's the best way to save NBC. Having that as your tentpole for the week, and considering that Heroes seems to be on the way out, would make for an interesting programming move. Hey, they really have nothing to lose.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:42:09 PM CST

    Leno really is a fucking joke.

    by filmguy125

    I'm sure he WOULD move back to 11:35!! What an ass hat.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:50:37 PM CST

    I went to Universal Studios Halloween Horror Nights

    by thelordofhell

    And the scariest thing there was a Jay Leno ticket booth.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:52:13 PM CST

    We'll see what Comcast has to say

    by thelordofhell

    When they own %51 of the company.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 1:55:01 PM CST

    No surprise about Tuesday

    by jt kirk

    Tuesday has become a TV dead zone in the last couple of years. There's not much on, just NCIS and some reality shows about weight loss and dancing celebs, everything else is tanking. Basically, there's no entertainment at all on Tuesday after NCIS, so no surprise Leno gets a little boost from the lack of competition. But damn, what kind of balls he has to shit on Conan like that while claiming that the affiliates aren't as miserable as everybody thinks.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:10:59 PM CST

    Pretty low saying he'll take his old spot back

    by jimmy_009

    Real classy trying to screw over Conan. I would be extremely pissed if NBC even considered something like that.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:12:55 PM CST

    AICN has a Vendetta Against Leno

    by darfurontherocks2

    I am sorry, but AICNs continuous attacks on Leno's 10 pm show are sad. I am sick and tired of reading "Show X beats Leno" headlines. It would perhaps be more credible if this was done for every show. However, we know that AICN glosses over the dire ratings of shows that they like. Need proof? Look at Dollhouse love that is meted out by AICN.....

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:16:14 PM CST

    Leno CANNOT Lose

    by darfurontherocks2

    He is making a bucketload of cash with NBC. If this tanks he just needs to go to FOX and start up a Late Show and viola he is making more money and taking viewers from Conan and Letterman.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:25:01 PM CST

    FUCK YOU JAY

    by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken

    your an unfunny piece of shit with a fucking bitch voice. i bet you thought that kanye west interview was edgy huh? asking about someones dead mother was gonna make you sucessful huh? guess what? YOU FAILED! FUCK OFF!

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:31:20 PM CST

    Sick of the juvenile attacks

    by pennyb

    This place is mostly inhabited by younger, edgier, less tolerant male audiences from what I can tell. The folks on Aint It Cool are NOT the type to enjoy Leno anyway (for the most part.)

    I like Jay Leno---not so much this show, but nice to have a little humor before I crash at night. Conan doesn't do it for me---I find him unfunny.

    But I'm over 49, so guess my opinions no longer matter.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:42:21 PM CST

    Not that I like Leno, exactly...

    by ribbons

    ...or dislike Dollhouse, but doesn't it seem a little... I don't know, hypocritical, to be taking such glee in the floundering ratings of a show on the bubble of being cancelled?

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:46:47 PM CST

    Leno is a good guy, but his show has got to go

    by cash907

    Because it is fucking up the primetime schedule for the entire network, which is itself pretty much hopelessly fucked already.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:48:09 PM CST

    leno was great...

    by sauget_diblosio

    on late night, with letterman, but has been terrible ever since, chasing after that huge, elderly audience. can't wait for this show to get cancelled.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:48:27 PM CST

    Leno is a competent comedian...

    by margot_tenenbaum

    ...and a pretty scuzzy human being. I've never forgiven him for pushing out Johnny Carson & undercutting David Letterman and now he's trying to undermine Conan O'Brien. What a piece of work.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:49:06 PM CST

    got to hand it to Jay the man is a stand up guy..

    by j2talk

    not to many of those anymore... say what you want about it, but Leno will decide his future not the ratings or critics....Read the interview Jay is right it was/is BAD dramas,the sort that NBC-and others- aired the past few seasons that cost way too much $$$ and delivered too few viewers that has caused NBC to go this route.
    Now in the interview he lays it out-Yes he would return to The Tonight Show if asked-Seriously was this ever in doubt?!? the only REAL question remains-does
    anybody know the details of Conans contract? We all know NBC had to give him the Tonight show or else pay him $$, but does he get to keep it? What, if anything, is in his contract to stop NBC from saying OK the experiment failed we'll return Leno to Tonight and Conan Back to 1235 ? Which I feel is only a matter of time ....

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:49:45 PM CST

    Fail, Leno, Fail....

    by dragon man

    His show was an affront to Conan taking over the Tonight Show from the very beginning. I'm sure if Conan's ratings really nosedived and Jay's show caught on, they would have sacked Conan and made Leno's show a two-hour Tonight Show, so to hear him say he'd take 12:30 back is not surprising. Leno's an untalented sack of shit!

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:50:20 PM CST

    Would it make any sense

    by so_here_i_am

    To put Leno on twice a week as a compromise/way out? Have the top two-fifths of the guests and the best comedy bits or whatever it is he has. Maybe Tuesdays and Fridays when nothing's on anyway.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:54:28 PM CST

    VERY telling...

    by mr. murdoch

    ..That Leno is so up-front, in plain words, no less, about just the THOUGHT of returning to 11:30. What are we, less than two months from his premiere? That fact that he even answers that question in plain language, when Conan is supposed to be his new network "partner," shows that there may even already be informal discussions about this; and A LOT more going on than we've already heard.... That being said, NBC apparently committed to Leno for two years... but yeah, sounds like they buffooed by simply making a deal with Conan too quickly, when Leno's ratings were still strong in the 11:30 slot... now they're shitting bricks.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:55:50 PM CST

    Bush: Coalition seems to be hanging in there.

    by azultool

  • Nov 02, 2009 2:57:53 PM CST

    "...if NBC offered him 11:35 p.m. again, he’d take it."

    by rufus_t_firefly

    Dick move, there, Jay. Somewhere in Hell, the spirit of Helen Kushnick is grinning ear to ear.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:58:46 PM CST

    Margot says it...

    by mr. murdoch

    Kudos. Leno has ALWAYS been this way... Those who haven't seen it should watch this movie:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116835/

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  • Nov 02, 2009 2:59:34 PM CST

    The Kotex Variety Hour with Rocky Dennis.

    by azultool

    Fa..Fa..Fa..FAILURE!!!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Leno pushed Carson out? Wrong, Johnny was ready to go and had been for some time...Leno screwed over Letterman? No that was NBC call (and how did they screw him? he could have kept his show and gotten more $$ to stay at NBC) and really with Jay named Carsons Permanent fill in host- and him getting #'s equal to or better than Johnny's was it ever really a question?

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:06:39 PM CST

    Margot: Leno is Evil Though....

    by darfurontherocks2

    I mean, he just is....?! I mean Letterman is a nice guy, even if he cheats on his wife..... several times..... Nothing scuzzy about that at all!

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:07:49 PM CST

    What about Conan? He killed The Tonight Show

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Now. it's just another comedy show.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:08:51 PM CST

    j2talk

    by rob0729

    Stand up guy? Ask Helen Kushnick about that. Sure she was a bitch, but she helped Jay to get to the top and she did everything to make sure Jay got the Tonight show and get exclusive on all the guests. Jay totally backed down and let NBC fire her because he didn't want to rock the boat by going to the mat for her?

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:09:30 PM CST

    if NBC offered him 11:35 p.m. again, he'd take it.

    by lock67ca

    I've always thought Leno was a world class asshole (after what he did to Letterman). That statement just proves it.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:13:47 PM CST

    Karuma

    by rob0729

    First, I never said anything about Jay being ousted.
    Second, I don't think NBC wanted to get rid of Jay, but they wanted to keep Conan and to do so they had to guarantee him the Tonight Show by 2009. Conan has a $40 million buyout if he didn't get the show by this season.
    Third, I don't think that NBC ever had confidence that Conan was going to succeed when he got the spot and that is why Leno is still with NBC.
    Fourth, I expect Jay to be back at 11:30 this time next year and Conan to get canned.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:17:34 PM CST

    All Leno defenders need to watch THE LATE SHIFT

    by spyguy

    Leno has been a douche ever since Carson first expressed a thought about stepping down and grooming Letterman to take over. And now it appears he's ready to fuck Conan O'Brien even harder up the ass if things become too grim.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:20:42 PM CST

    Jay and Conan suck cock by choice!

    by force_mccockin

  • Nov 02, 2009 3:36:38 PM CST

    Conan should kick his ass

    by jtp8000

    And Letterman is laughing his ass off over this.

    Somewhere Johnny is smiling also

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:37:20 PM CST

    Rob0729-yes a stand up guy

    by j2talk

    you got part of that right,Helen Kushnick WAS a bitch, Leno Told her he didn't want to play that game when she did it anyway, she lost his support.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:38:42 PM CST

    Jay is the best of current late night

    by takingscorpioscalls

    it's true. Conan's quirkyness gets fucking annoying, he definitely was better on Late Night when people typically laugh at random shit more when their brains are working less before sleep. Ferguson is good but he's been on less than 5 years and is still exploring his permanent voice, Letterman is just a creepy jaded guy, anyone else i'm forgetting probably deserves to be forgotten too. Jay needs to do more of those skits like his ad promo.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:41:48 PM CST

    also this entire thing was set in motion by Conan

    by takingscorpioscalls

    when he whined that he wanted the Tonight Show before he was 50 and if they wouldn't give it to him he'd walk elsewhere. Greedy bastard.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 3:59:00 PM CST

    Leno's strategy is PURE BRILLIANCE

    by thebaxter

    you all just don't understand what he's doing. he was pissed off about NBC pushing him off the tonight show for conan. so he responded with the most brilliant revenge plot ever: convince NBC to let him take his shitty show to primetime, thus singlehandedly destroying the entire network. and it's working beyond his wildest dreams! the leno show is killing NBC, and leno is getting paid millions to make them a 2nd-rate laughingstock tv network. it's BRILLIANT, i tell you... BRILLIANT!!!

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  • Nov 02, 2009 4:02:12 PM CST

    The daily Leno reports keep bumping down actual cool news.

    by flim springfield

  • Nov 02, 2009 4:07:22 PM CST

    takingscorpioscalls are you in fact Jay Leno?!

    by whedon

    I really have no idea where your coming from. Where are you getting this info about Conan whining about getting the Tonight show before he was 50? "Late Night" had the most consistent laughs night in and night out for over a decade and while Conan's "tonight show" hasn't reached those levels he infinitely better than the shit Leno put out over the course of his run. You obviously didn't witness the trials and tribulations of wax Tom Cruise and Wax fonzie.

    If Leno pushes Conan off the tonight show it will create a public outcry that will destroy any credibility the guy has left, and while Conan may never achieve the ratings that Leno's cookie cutter show got, in five years NBC will be glad they stuck with him and not sold the network out so Jay Leno could rule late night for another decade.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 4:13:52 PM CST

    Just Switch

    by raromo

    Move Leno back to 11:30 and put Conan on at 10:00. What does NBC have to lose at this point? The bigger issue to me though, is Yeah, we're all saying Leno is taking away 5 hours of scripted drama a week, but even if Leno weren't on every night, do you really think NBC would put on great, watchable dramas at 10:00? It'd be the standard broadcast crap-- doctors, lawyers and cops. So what are we losing? (And I say this as someone who never watched Leno at 11:30, saw the first half hour or so of the debut episode of his new show, started falling asleep, switched to something else, and have never watched another episode again.)

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  • Nov 02, 2009 4:30:45 PM CST

    Are You Sure Leno Didn't Say "They're Hanging Themselves"?

    by bobbyjoe

    Because if I was an NBC affiliate, and I was left with the choice between airing even one single more second of Jay Leno and the sweet, cold embrace of death, I know which option I'd choose.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 5:29:05 PM CST

    Whedon

    by takingscorpioscalls

    Sorry man but until someone worthy comes to take Jay's spot i'm afraid he would have to be king of late night until his chin starts sagging like his balls. Yeah wax cruise and fonzie were pretty tho but that was like what 3 episodes? Conan as been pointed out by another post lost his sack on this show and that aggravatingly unfunny richter needs to go into gay porn or something instead of stand around and give the most painfully unfunny witticisms.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 5:31:18 PM CST

    RaRoMo

    by takingscorpioscalls

    As bad as Conan is now if he was moved to 10 pm you would actually hear crickets in the studio and tumbleweed roll by. Then Conan would mime a lasso.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 5:36:04 PM CST

    j2talk

    by rob0729

    Read Bill Carter's book The Late Shift. Kushnick was fired 4 months into Jay's stint as Tonight Show host. He could have fought to keep her, but he didn't fight because he didn't want to rock the boat. He could have gotten Kushnick a warning but didn't put up any fight for her eventhough he owed much of his career to her and her husband just dying. All he did was issue a press release after she was fired to say the firing was unwarranted.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 5:50:52 PM CST

    Bill Hicks (RIP) beatdown on Leno

    by iamlegolas

    http://tinyurl.com/n4a7s5

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  • Nov 02, 2009 5:51:15 PM CST

    Wasn't it Boston NBC forced

    by crooooooow

    to play the Jay Leno show? If so I feel bad for them.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 6:01:01 PM CST

    TakingScorpiosCalls

    by raromo

    "As bad as Conan is now if he was moved to 10 pm you would actually hear crickets in the studio and tumbleweed roll by." I don't know. Leno's humor is dead awful. Conan at least can be hip. People who aren't willing to stay up to 11:30, may appreciate his humor at 10:00, much like they've enjoyed the SNL Thursday shows. Put Conan on at 10:00, get some SNL skits in there, some re-occurring visits by, for example, the second-ranked actors on The Office, all of whom are great stand-up comics, and you might have something less than a mess. I think Conan would pull in much better ratings than Leno.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 6:19:32 PM CST

    PennyB: "I like Jay Leno, not so much this show.."

    by chakraborty

    It's funny, even Jay's apologists won't watch his show. His show is painful to watch. You feel embarrassed for everyone involved. So apparently the summer of brainstorming on how to re-tool the show resulted in them removing his desk so the audience could get a better look at Jay's crotch, asking celebrities 10 questions that were written by a 16 year old girl, and having celebs perform a bad version of the talent portion of a Miss America contest. This is what he came up with? The formula that worked was the one that was created by his successors.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 6:20:59 PM CST

    IAmLegolas

    by azultool

    Damn! You beat me to it. That Bill Hicks bit is classic. I loved it when he was truly pissed off, and spewing venom. It was cool of Letterman to have Hicks' mother on the show, and offer his heartfelt mea culpa. I don't watch Dave that much anymore, but I tuned in for that. And, he displayed some class. Unlike that plaguerist, lame fucking hack Leno. Could you imagine that bitch having Hicks as a guest on the Tonight Show?

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  • Nov 02, 2009 6:34:03 PM CST

    Conan is the better than Gay or Dave ever were.

    by azultool

    Well, Dave at 11:30 that is. NBC should stay the course with Conan. If you put Cunt Sucko back behind that desk, it's going to look bad...real bad. Gay and Dave were both losing to Nightline anyway. Just pay the chin off, and let him go jump off the Santa Monica pier.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 6:56:24 PM CST

    Another LATE SHIFT book endorsement

    by nem_wan

    Bill Carter nailed it. As crazy as some of the antics in the book seem, the only major dispute over accuracy was Helen Kushnick's libel suit over the claim she put a false story about Carson retiring in the NY Post, to try to generate buzz that would actually make him retire. As it happened NBC managed to piss off Carson without Leno's help, by allowing Dana Carvey to do Carsenio on SNL then not distancing itself from the impression it gave that Carson was obsolete. It's amazing that NBC today, despite years of planning to avoid another rocky "late shift", could not a crisis. It's like the TNG episode about the time loop where the ship gets destroyed every time. And Leno saying he'll take Conan's job back thank you very much, is a total dick. At least Letterman has self-awareness about his failings. Leno doesn't have a clue why anybody doesn't like him.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:25:17 PM CST

    Conan "hip"?

    by ribbons

    That might be a bit of a stretch. I'd be hard pressed to find an adjective least appropriate for late night talk shows than "hip," but whatever. Conan is my favorite of the crop, though, so I would like to see him stick around for a while.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:26:23 PM CST

    Jay has to make a choice

    by indygold

    Jay Leno has enough money (at least $300 million) to sell off all his classic cars, to launch a kick ass tv/internet station to start his next comedy career. Or to give up comedy all together and just play with his cars for the rest of his lucky ass life. Make a choice Jay

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:29:09 PM CST

    And Conan didn't kill the Tonight show.

    by indygold

    The Tonight show died with Johnnny Carson. Leno killed the Tonight show. Conan was an awesome Simpsons writer and a great Latenight successor. That is all

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:44:26 PM CST

    "The formula that worked was the one that was created by his suc

    by takingscorpioscalls

    what the ever luvin fuck does that mean.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:45:32 PM CST

    Kevin Eubanks laughing nonstop is still better than Paul

    by takingscorpioscalls

    that bald fucksmack.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:46:40 PM CST

    Whenever Conan steps down Tonight Show

    by takingscorpioscalls

    Leno can still come back. It will be like a 2nd era of Leno! o yea

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:52:03 PM CST

    Leno is a dick

    by siobhan

    His jokes are topical and he's not funny. I can't believe he would take the Tonight Show back from Conan. Conan is so much funnier, Fuck Leno

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  • Nov 02, 2009 7:56:15 PM CST

    he would because he's grandmasta-J

    by takingscorpioscalls

    and he dont let no one check his turf. dont mess with El Eno. pwnt over and out.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 8:00:46 PM CST

    Gay? Cunt Sucko?

    by takingscorpioscalls

    Well i'll have you know Mr. Sucko is still da best after Carson.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 8:02:10 PM CST

    Although i have to say

    by takingscorpioscalls

    that she-man who always starts shaking those bell pans during the musical interludes suuuuucks.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 8:50:45 PM CST

    leno/whedon

    by jameskpolk

    Are similar in that both are trying like hell to re-capture lightning-in-a-bottle. Both trotted out familiar concepts (leno) or worn-out casting choices (whedon). In my opinion, that's reason enough to be interested in the tumbling numbers.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 8:53:33 PM CST

    "Good Actors"

    by thusspakespymunk

    No, they're not good actors. They simply believe your schtick, Leno, that you're a nice guy and they don't want to attack you verbally like a bunch of Talkbackers. It's a lot like getting a call from your old science teacher? What, are you going to say "Mr. Jenkins, I know you've just retired, but you didn't teach me SHIT! FUCK YOU, OLD MAN! FUCK YOU ALL TO HELL!" No, you're gonna talk nice to the guy, even if you're filled with resentment.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 9:40:46 PM CST

    HERC- What are Conan's numbers so far?

    by yackbacker

    I'm curious what the trend is for THE TONIGHT SHOW.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 9:40:53 PM CST

    Anyone see the "10at 10" with Tom Cruise?

    by bigtuna

    "What Are You Better At Tom, Flying a Plane or Sex"? WHAT?????? Who wrote that, a 12 year-old? That's not even a question. Jesus, there's some embarrasing shit on that show. Letterman is so much better.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 9:52:59 PM CST

    HOW the FUCK is this AICN??

    by thatpussywonteatitself

    Fuck Leno.

    Unless it was something about him banging a bunch of interns, I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT!

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  • Nov 02, 2009 10:32:37 PM CST

    NYTimes: Leno's show is the least DVR show too

    by mistergreen

    yeah, his show is going to get the can.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 10:39:51 PM CST

    Leno is many things but he's not a dick

    by tenenbaum

    The guy loves what he does and he spends his weekends flying to casinos in states like Minnesota and Ohio to stand up. He seems far more amiable than that crotchety ass Letterman.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 10:41:33 PM CST

    Goodbye, Jay.

    by darthcorleone

    Sorry, but you aren't long for primetime. Please don't come back. Or maybe you should just go be the fifth judge on American Idol. That seems like an appropriate marriage made in hell.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 11:08:19 PM CST

    Letterman is too busy fucking his staff...

    by bigtuna

    To do stand-up bits in Minnesota and Ohio on weekends. Man needs to get laid.

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  • Nov 02, 2009 11:39:01 PM CST

    No, he's definitly a dick

    by siobhan

    He said that he would return to the Tonight Show if NBC asked him. He agreed that Conan would take over in 2009, taking it away from Conan is a dick move

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  • Nov 02, 2009 11:57:13 PM CST

    jay leno is a hack and a cheat

    by georgecauldron

    Now he's trying to lobby for The Tonight Show to take him back. What a sad sack of shit. Norm MacDonald was right when he said Jay is "the shrewdest guy". FUCK YOU JAY YOU WORTHLESS TOOL.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 12:00:01 AM CST

    I hope Conan jokes about him

    by georgecauldron

    but we all know Conan is a much better man than Jay Leno. He won't talk about and he'll just continue to do his thang, baby. Jay is still upset that on his last show someone yelled, "Conan rocks!" He does, indeed. And you suck balls, Jay.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 12:07:56 AM CST

    wow Leno is classless for sabotaging Conan like that

    by bmacsmith

    putting his shit show in front of Conan again was bad enough, but then saying he would like to go back? what a fucking cock.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 12:08:12 AM CST

    Re: "THe formula that worked....

    by chakraborty

    ...was the one created by his successors." I meant predecessors....meaning Carson...or Mike Douglas. Not created by Leno himself.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 12:11:53 AM CST

    Also...

    by chakraborty

    ...some of the worst things about The Tonight Show when Leno was on were the things he changed, like Jay Walking. First of all, it was quite clear that many of the people on Jay Walking were purposely trying to appear dumb, particularly on the Jay Walking game show......why? Because most of them were actors trying to be discovered in Hollywood, and they knew that the right answers wouldn't get them on TV. Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit and there are just a lot of morons in America....

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  • Nov 03, 2009 12:14:58 AM CST

    They're Morons

    by thusspakespymunk

    Remember, these are people who see stories about a man driving over his daughter for being too "Westernized" and say "What? I don't get why people think there's a problem here!"

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:06:33 AM CST

    Ah good to see it cleared up Chakraborty

    by takingscorpioscalls

    I was thinking "what crack pipe are you sucking into all your orifices?????" ;)

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:07:46 AM CST

    "Conan rocks!" has given fuel to Leno

    by takingscorpioscalls

    he will not back down! he's the terminator.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:08:24 AM CST

    The Tom Cruise interview blew shit i agree

    by takingscorpioscalls

    but the Mel Gibson one was a riot because Gibson is pretty funny even if a little tipsy.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:09:24 AM CST

    I unfortunately cannot watch Leno at 10 though

    by takingscorpioscalls

    because Star Trek comes on that time. Scotty you magnificent bastard you made that kelvin twat drunk off your old scotch liquids.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:11:52 AM CST

    Letterman: "fish. table. blue."

    by takingscorpioscalls

    *audience laughs for 5 minutes*
    Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul Paul

    I just summarized his monologue, say some random words or sentences stringed together and just smile while the audience laughs, add in a couple hundred Pauls and you're done.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:14:00 AM CST

    Leno will go into his Fuhrerbunker if he has to

    by takingscorpioscalls

    keep doing the show. they won't take him alive.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:27:10 AM CST

    Yeah, I agree Scorpio with regards to....

    by chakraborty

    ...Dave's jokes. It's like Dave and pencils in the late 90's, where tapping pencils on his desk while making funny noises or throwing pencils at the camera was a substitute for comedy. I don't really find his show all that funny anymore, and don't really watch it, but in the 80's and early 90's his show was pretty cutting edge and hilarious....and I still like him as a person, and his interviews, if I watch them, are decent. Conan was my fave of the 3, but he needs to bring back the irreverence....I agree with others that masturbating bear needs to come back...hemorrhoid guy, too.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:40:52 AM CST

    it's not hemorrhoid guy

    by georgecauldron

    it's preparation h raymond. get it right!

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:46:42 AM CST

    Leno holding NBC hostage...

    by prof. pop-cult

    I wonder what Comcast will do with Leno shoudl they take over NBC.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 3:41:52 AM CST

    Well if NBC is sold to Comcast...

    by redjester

    ...It would appear NBC straight up lied to Leno about his show being safe.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 3:55:31 AM CST

    the late shift -- do not take it as gospel

    by paulloch

    that book was completely wrong about Letterman, as we know now, portraying him as honest and decent. Not one whit about the troubles he's having now and his attitude toward women is even in that book. So, I wonder how much of Jay he actually got right, who takes all the heat for the rift between the two. The 11:30 quote is old news. He'a always said that he didn't want to leave. The last year he joked about it several times about it in his monologue. NBC screwed themselves and wrongly looked for Jay as the savior to their 10 pm problems.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 5:04:47 AM CST

    NBC keeps losers around, look at MSNBC...

    by flandersbum

    An entire 'news' network full of losers getting creamed in the ratings. NBC hasn't changed a thing, they're very stubborn. Leno will be around forever.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 7:29:25 AM CST

    ZZZZzzzz

    by the mcpoyle clan

    This thing with Leno is about as tiresome as swine flu.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 8:37:35 AM CST

    Leno, Letterman and even Conan are the past

    by magic rat

    Stewart, Colbert and Ferguson are the future of late night tv. The folks now are just placeholders until those three are ready to take over.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 10:09:28 AM CST

    Late Shift

    by hedgehog000

    Some people need to reread this book. While it's clear, Leno campaigned hard for the job, there's nothing to indicate he stabbed Carson or did anything unfair to Letterman. In fact, it was Letterman who hurt his own effort because he didn't know what he really wanted at first.

    As for Kushnick, are you kidding, nobody else would have put up with her as long as Leno did no matter what they owed her. She was nuts and had to go.

    As for the current situation, why shouldn't Leno want his old spot back? He didn't volunteer to leave and he doesn't particularly owe Conan anything. It's business.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 10:12:00 AM CST

    You're kidding

    by hedgehog000

    Stewart and Colbert are niche acts for hip left wingers. They won't work on network TV. One of the funniest bits on the Daily Show was when the British guy compared Stewart's hosting of the Oscars with Bush's running of the country. Stewart was so bad, they redid the format so a non-comedian could host.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 1:30:54 PM CST

    BTW, Ask Howard Stern

    by rob0729

    The guy has buried the hatchet with every celebrity he has had a feud with (Chevy Chase, Rosie O'Donnell, etc.), but still hates Leno with a passion for stealing Stuttering John without giving him the courtesy of asking for permission. Also Stuttering John was demoted when they switched to 10PM and if he didn't need the job, I bet he would call Jay a scumbag.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 2:05:18 PM CST

    Thread fails.

    by critch

    No mention of the best show: Craig Ferguson.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 2:07:29 PM CST

    Some of you people really are stupid and don't pay attention

    by coughlins laws

    First of all, Leno never said he wants to replace Conan. He said he'd go back to 11:30PM. And why wouldn't he? He's been the King of Late Night for 17 years and is still the most watched Talk Show Host in the country...Second of all, how did he screw Letterman out of anything? Letterman never told NBC that he wanted The Tonight Show until it was too late and he was an asshole to NBC Executives. Leno completely dominated him in the ratings for 15 years, proving NBC was right back then. As far as Conan, giving him the job while Leno is still in his prime is ridiculous and he's now still after Leno, leaving him with numbers similar to Late Night. Everyone at NBC fucked up on this one but why shouldn't Leno make them fire him? If they do, they're screwed even more because if he goes to FOX, ABC, or even CBS, he will double The Tonight Show ratings. NBC should never have forced Leno off The Tonight Show...

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  • Nov 03, 2009 2:10:14 PM CST

    Hedgehog000

    by rob0729

    Kushnick sued Carter for what he wrote about her. She denied some of the worst accusations about her. She died before the lawsuit went to court.
    Again, there are other people who feel Leno did them wrong. Ask Howard Stern. Ask George Lopez (he called Leno a backstabber and "the biggest two faced dude on TV" while being interviewed on an Orlando radio station).

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  • Nov 03, 2009 2:13:27 PM CST

    Leno is also an idiot in the George Lopez feud

    by rob0729

    Leno went to PAUL RODRIEGEZ after he heard what Lopez said about him and ask Paul to sit down and hash it out. Paul's reaction was the best, "Jay, It's Paul! I'm not George! I'm the other Beatle."
    Apparently to Jay, all hispanic comedians are the same.

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  • Nov 03, 2009 3:26:58 PM CST

    Aren't all hispanic comedians...

    by turbomonkey2k

    ... cylon skin jobs?

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  • Nov 04, 2009 2:45:34 PM CST

    Herc, maybe you should report on GAME OF THRONES

    by mattmanbegins

    They're filming the pilot right now, info at georgerrmartin.com. Much more interesting news. Not sure what's up with your Leno fascination.

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