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Ridley Scott Says A Little...But Nothing...About The ALIEN Prequel!!
Merrick here...
Ridley Scott spoke with Empire and revealed that Jon Spaihts is currently at work scripting the previously announced ALIEN prequel. Scott also discussed the film's setting in the broadest non-terms:
“It’s a brand new box of tricks,” said Sir Ridley. “We know what the road map is, and the screenplay is now being put on paper. The prequel will be a while ago. It’s very difficult to put a year on Alien, but [for example] if Alien was towards the end of this century, then the prequel story will take place thirty years prior.”
...reveals Scott in THIS discussion with Empire.
Carl Rinsch, a director for the Scott Brothers, was initially announced as the helmer of the new ALIEN film. A few months later, reports circulated that Ridley would be directing the film instead (details in Variety).
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Thank God Scott is handling this and not some newbie. The Alien franchise already had too much abuse to handle.
...Now, if James Cameron comes aboard as producer, NOW YER TALKING.
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Will it be human-vs-Alien centric, or some other sort of setup?
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...it's best that it's you.
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very very glad!
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Please don't bury the Alien franchise even deeper than it already is.
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Sigourney Weaver is still looks good.
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She could play mama Ripley.
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Did this BEYONDTHUNDERDOME2GIRLS1CUPBIL LCOSBY guy just give himself away?
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as long as they keep in space it has a chance.
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I cannot imagine seeing that Alien trailer in a darkened theatre. It probably made people shit their pants!
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He has said several times that he wants to explore what happened on that ship. Personally I think it's a stupid idea because not knowing what happened on that ship is half the fun. But whatever, it's Ridley Scott returning to the Alien franchise. That can't be a bad thing.
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The original Alien trailer is one of the most effective & creepiest trailers ever and the movie an all time favorite. Bless Ridley Scott and if there has to be another movie about these "Aliens" then let it be by him.
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I think it's shot beautifully and is a solid chase movie (although the end gets weird when Ripley is having the alien orgy).
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That Alien trailer played on TV and freaked the shit out of me every time. I was 9 years old.
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The real "Ripley" is dead, no? The Ripley/Alien hybrid did not age that well, for me at least. Maybe they could pretend Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection didn't happen and have Newt and Hicks make it out alive, but they aren't doing that.Realistically, why would they send a 60-year-old woman on a combat mission? Sure, she LOOKS good, but Alien works better grounded in reality insomuch as that is possible. I could see her as a consultant, however she's part-Alien-part-human clone, which I do not think adds anything positive to the story. If they pretend that doesn't exist, she's elderly. If they give her the Professor X/Magneto youth-treatment, maybe, but we've seen that before. I want a compelling story, not so much just Ripley-fights-Aliens 5. If they write a compelling story with proper motivation, sure. Still, I'd rather movie-makers or video game makers for that matter leave us wanting more (Ripley, Dutch, Rocky, Pyramid Head, etc.) than leave us disappointed by bringing characters back just because they are familiar/popular when they really do not fit into the story or NEED to be there. Ripley's swan song should have been Aliens in my opinion, or Alien 3 without killing Newt and Hicks to make her the lone hero yet again.
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and no i dont trust sir Ridley,even if he is a movie god.The times have changed and even if he still has the 'fire' to make something good of it,he will ultimately follow the tastes of our modern era and make something mediocre.
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Ridders back doing what he does best, can't wait to hear more about this.
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...is a serious cock-tease.
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We can move forward in time, (sequel) and backward in time (prequel). We can even move sideways in time. (Remakes and re-imagining.)
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Oct 29, 2009 10:19:59 AM CDT
no, just paying homage to Dick in Ass guy
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
and I really enjoy Alien Ressurection.
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prequels kill any franchise. The Star Wars prequels are testiment to that. Two of the coolest characters ever (Vader & Fett)were reduced to whiney kids. I hope I don't get an explanation into where aliens come from cause the appeal of these creatures is the mystery that surrounds them.
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How about they write a new movie with new ideas and characters instead of fucking milking a very dead story. I mean really, between all the alien movies and alien vs predator, can't they just let it die and write something new? Sir Ridley can't be out of ideas already is he?
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I just don't see any reason why a prequel needs to be made, and I doubt there'll be any reason for me to watch it. If they had to make another of these movies, it should have been a direct sequel with no Ripley. Either move the story forward, or leave it alone.
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Stylistically, it's beautiful. The story is interesting and different.Unfortunately there are some real problems with it. The crew of the Betty feel very cardboard. There is too much bizarre humor like reaching back and pulling your brain out a la Peter Jackson's Bad Taste. I don't think Winona Ryder ever came across as believable in her role. of course the biggest problem is The Newborn. It looks absolutely ridiculous. Jean Pierre Jenet, teh director, admits on the commentary that having the nose-bone twitch looks stupid and he never should have done that. I thought the alien hybrid Ripley character was fascinating and is probably the central reason the film got made at all.I actually started writing a script for an Alien 5 in which Ripley leads an assault on a secret government bunker that houses alien artifacts, including things they have collected on Xenomorphs. Of course the inevitable happens and it's a war on earth. I would have loved to see teh franchise extend towards that, but I think we all know Hollywood will just "reimagine" the whole thing from scratch.
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Finally an Alien movie without Weaver in it, it's about time.
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The characters did not seem as relatable (uber-cheesy evil slicked-back ponytail scientist, Alien-Ripley vs. a real human persona, didn't enjoy the cast ensemble overall). The emphasis on super-Ripley-clone versus a non-super-powered human made it harder to suspend disbelief. The tension wasn't there either, for me. You could see the Aliens through the glass, get a good look at them, and the mood just felt different. Also, the Ripley-Alien-baby and the Alien/Ripley telepathy did not make sense. It's science fiction, but still, you can only suspend disbelief so much.Besides, some of that acting was really bad and hasn't held up well over the years.
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will there be humans? i don't know how they can pull this off? anyone have anything? ANYTHING?
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exactly happened to the alien spaceship in alien1.who exactly were those aliens (the owners of the ship)? why were they transferring all these eggs? or were they transferring an alien queen which somehow managed to escape? what exactly happened to the alien navigator before his chest bursted open? did they know of the presence of other intelligent races in the galaxy (like the humans),or their warning signal was only for their own people? so many questions to be answered.
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On how to needlessly end a franchise! Both are FOX productions. Surprise, surprise!
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There are only 2 films worth a damn.
Aliens AND Resurrection.
I would love to love the other 2, but I don't. I've owned them all, I even paid to see the last 2 at the cinema (I was too young for the 1st two). I adore the WHOLE story.
But honestly the only person worth getting excited about returning is Cameron, although after seeing the trailer for Avatar maybe even he's lost his mojo.
Neither would I pay, or be interested without Sigorney as Ripley, I mean we've already had a Ripliesque female lead in Predator V's Alien, the actress (whoever she was) even referenced this connection in an interview at the time. Just to say again, ALIEN RESURRECTION IS GORGEOUS!
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Why do we really need to know the answer to any of these questions? Does it really even matter?
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Great questions I think it would make a great movie. I kept thinking about that when I saw the first movie. I would like to see those questions answered in an aliens movie.
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What's spooky about the original are the Giger (sic?) designs and our lack of understanding and knowledge. The unknown is what makes Alien work. To explore the origins of the derelict ship would completely pull the rug out from under the original. By the way, "Ridley Scott says a little...and nothing"? That's cool news. Lots of headlines recently, gee I'm glad to see they're so substantial.
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Best Case: Humans on Alien Homeworld, ruled by Xenomorph hybrids - bird, fish, dinosaur type xenomorph hybrids. It all ends with the crew getting the fuck off the planet, but crashes on LV-426 because the Queen got on board (as the other queen tried in Aliens). Everyone dies.
Worst case: The Xenomorph alien is really a human genetic experiment created by The Company, and so it's not really an "Alien" from outer space. The fact that it comes from Earth and is a human invention is what ends up being the really scary thought.
I would actually be fine with either one of these if it's Ridley pulling the strings. But I still say David Cronenberg and Paul Veerhoven needs to make an Alien movie each before I'm happy.
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I mean, it seems like a perfect example of finding an excuse to bring back a character because they can, rather than having a good reason to bring back a character. It's still NOT actually Ripley, and the whole superhero element honestly just felt ridiculous. Should have just left her dead.
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Alien3 and Resurrection were hypersleep nightmares by Ripley and Newt. 'Nuff said.
Something went wrong on the Sulaco's computer systems, related to damage taken during Ripley's showdown with Queenie...the ship takes twenty years to return to Earth, and all three have aged while sleeping (this is so Weaver and Biehn can resume their roles...I think the Newt girl gave up acting, but maybe Emma Watson can fill in).
All three are immediately arrested upon returning for violating a quarantine...Weyland-Yutani brought aliens home to Earth, all hell broke loose, and Earth's leadership has retreated to Mars. Once they explain who that they're the long-lost Sulaco survivors (all thought dead), they're briefed on what's happened:
Earth is overrun by Alien hives, with thousands of queens working in coordination somehow. Worse, they're not animals...the warriors are actually building primitive spacecraft to attack the Martian colonies, which are becoming more and more sophisticated and weaponized. Hicks volunteers to lead an intelligence mission and finds out the ugly truth...there's actually a superintelligent alien "empress" running the show. What's more, there are considerable numbers of human survivors being "stored" in coccoons, unconscious but otherwise safe...apparently hostages or future food supplies.
At the same time, Ripley is researching Weyland-Yutani records to find out the history of these creatures and how the company came to know of them (big flashback sequence). Turns out the elephantine jockey's are all extinct, having exterminated themselves using not only the Aliens but other, nastier weapons, which the company hoped to learn more about.
Long story short, Ripley, Newt and Hicks volunteer for a suicide mission to locate an elephantine planet-killing prototype the company built at its headquarters, now the core of the alien nest. They're to set it off, and get out if possible.
One long, sexy battle sequence later, it turns out the empress is way ahead of them...she's found the weapon and deactivated it, and speaking through an android translator, explains that she and the rest of her brood are sick of being used as weapons. If Mars will stop bombing them, they'll release the hostages and work with the humans to "correct" the genetic aberration the Elephantine's introduced to their life cycle that turned them into parasites. The empress needs Ripley to deliver this truce proposal, given that she's been fighting her kind all her life, so she'll be the most believable emissary.
Mars accepts their terms (after a little persuasion...Hicks orders his men to hold the reluctant government at gunpoint), and the re-engineered Aliens are on their merry way.
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There was a time when I did, but I changed my mind. I think that's just continuing the whole "Alien Action Figure" mentality, where they feel the need to introduce new Aliens just for the hell of it. You know, that trend that started in Aliens where pretty much every following movie (I'm including AVP here) had to include a "new Alien". It's almost like the whole point is to create a new Alien, rather than just making a good story. Anyway, of course I love Aliens, and it's my favorite in the series. But in a way, I sort of blame it for starting that trend that I was talking about.
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What truly matters is what JettL has to say. Hope he/she shows up soon, got quite a few questions regarding this.
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I'm sure he'd be up for it, but I'm still waiting on some confirmation of this.
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An Alien and Riddick crossover movie!
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Oct 29, 2009 10:57:07 AM CDT
...and the cool thing about a prequel is that if it's good...
by flickapoo
...then ALIEN, ALIENS, and THE PREQUEL can make consistent trilogy for purists...just pretend 3 and 4 don't exist...just like MATRIX 2 and 3.
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with russell crowe. what happened to that film?
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HercsShowerRadio , the facehugger in the first alien movie hatched out of an egg, laid by what??? Oh yeah, a queen alien. Where do you think those eggs came from? Cameron did not make up the hive structure for the aliens - that was very clearly existing in the first movie.
For the record, I enjoyed both Alien 3 and Resurrection, but as their own movie. You can't compare every Alien movie to Aliens. That was a totally different movie altogether. I'm not saying Alien 3 and Resurrection were total MASTERPIECES, but they had very enjoyable parts in them. In order of preference: Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection. Neither Predator VS Alien movie was as good as any of the four Alien movies.
BurnHollywood, your storyline humanizes the aliens too much. It takes away the unpredictable "animalness" of them. In my opinion, the hive structure makes them more intimidating. And aliens building spaceships?!? Ummm... no. -
That storyline idea takes away from the innate savagery of the aliens, almost character derailment. Like having Optimus Prime fuckin carving & pulling off faces. GIVE ME YOUR FACE
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Now that Peter Berg has admitted the task is far too great for one of his meager directorial abilities, Scott should pick this ball up and run with it - the only reason we even GOT the Lynch version in the first place is that Scott's brother died and he quit in preproduction. Of course, as a result, we did get Blade Runner. But now, Scott has a chance to do it right.
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Oct 29, 2009 11:16:30 AM CDT
Alien Resurrection looked beautiful
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
but lacked soul, heart and intelligence, kinda like Paris Hilton. Sigourney kckied ass though. Brad Dourif did not.
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And never looked back. I never saw the 4th and from what I understand, I missed nothing. I didn't bother with either AvP film as I didn't think they would do anything to strengthen the original story.
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And thus it will kill the "Hard-SF" magic of the original film, once and for all.
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I have the making of Alien book, there are sketches of Pyramids, with Alien art on the walls showing there whole reproductive system. They wern't just sentient but a creative race with a socila structure more similar to humans(think Incans) rather than bugs. It's a fantastic book with many sketches of the ship(s), Aliens and of the planet all by Dan o'Bannon. Then Giger comes along and the book gets even better, his original alien looked like a pig with a eels head ending i abirdlike beak. What I mean to say is James Cameron did indeed come up with the hive structure.
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I hope you understood it. Also in making of book it was one egg from one Alien each, no queen.
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When asked what he thought of the AVP movies that the creature was no longer scary and that it would have to be redesigned?? If he really believes this we could be looking at a new Alien entirely, or a different version of the original alien. Also, the prequel could include humans, but only if they are all killed at the end.
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Prequel idea: space jockey is some sort of perverse collector; collecting species (including human)from different parts of the galaxy. Develops some sort of infatuation with the alien species. He breeds them, gets them to multiply. He's so infatuated, in fact, he feels the only way to be one with them is to let one burst from his rib-cage. This of course creates plenty of problems for the humans being held captive in the bowels of the ship. They're sitting ducks when the shit hits the fan...if only they could find a way to get out!
Sequel idea: another mission; another bunch of
space marines" to find the xenos. When the finally encounter the xenos, the xenos easily overpower them and take them for cocooning. It's only after numerous face-huggers fail in impregnating said-marines do the xenos realize these marines arent human: The company's sent a "platoon" of androids (perhaps the same class as Call) to recover xeno(s) and a few of their eggs. The aliens try and hold-off this impending attack of humanoids to prevent their extinction.
Thanks. You can make that check out to "cash"
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The father of Ripley jacks off while watching a captured alien egg hatch.
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I hope it explains exactly how the alien ship ended up on the planet. And I hope it shows the Ash line being created on Earth, and includes Ripley as a kid, maybe Dallas too.
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there going to try explain the Alien as a genetic modification, type experiment, creature. Either by humans or the space jockey race, (which wouldn't be as bad) But I think the Alien is to good for that, these are real animals and exist somewhere in our universe.
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...the director's cut of Alien.
The crew of the Nostromo were cocooned and slowly turned into eggs themselves which wold incubate a new face-hugger, thus starting the cycle all over again. It would imply that the egg-chamber Cain stumbled upon were all, in fact, the crew of the derelict spaceship. -
my favorite movie ever. But it can never be topped. Aside from a few effects shots, that movie simply could not have been done any better. Any additions to the storyline after Aliens (and certain parts of cubed) are superfluous at best and can only diminish the original's impact. I chose to ignore.
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over the hill for hollywood. she has stated that she is not intrested. in doing another alien film and that ripley for her is dead. she doesnt act anymore anyway.
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Alien = 2122
Aliens = 2179
A3 = 2179
A4 = 2381
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Actually, Finch's original version was pretty good...and like an hour longer with sub-plots that made sense of some of the more ridiculous elements of the Fox-produced-abortion that the theatrical cut was. Resurrection couldn't decide if it wanted to be bad-ass or a farce, so it tried to do both and did neither well. The tone was all wrong for the franchise - and there is no way Michael Wincott should be killed off that early in anything.
That said, I like scrapping each of them as hypersleep dreams of Ripley and Newt respectively: Alien cubed was Ripley's worst nightmare - death of Newt and her inability to escape birthing one herself, and Resurrection was Newt's - seeing Ripley become a twisted, unnatural mother figure. Cool idea, that. -
merely as an interesting "What If". If Ridley Scott wanted the Alien's life cycle explained, then he should have done it before Cameron filled in that gap in Aliens. Doesn't matter what Ridley Scott intended the Alien's life cycle to be like. He left that question open, and Cameron answered it for us.
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ideally they shouldve just made AvP in 1997 instead of the awful Alien 4 (it was stupid to bring Ripley back anyway) as fans were going crazy for AvP to be made...plus they shouldve just adapted the original AvP comic mini series set on an alien planet in the Alien era future - not set present day on earth
and no AvP 2
but they are doing the right thing now - getting Scott to make Alien 5 (or Alien 0) like was gonna happen with Cameron before Andersons AvP was done, and getting Rodrigiz to do what is esstentially Predator 3
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of ignoring A3 and A4 by pretending like they never happened. That's pussying out. I can't believe how many people want to change things by resorting to the "it was all a dream" copout.
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The new Alien!! That movie was ok till Riply had *sex* with the Queen and spawned that weird ugly alien. It went down hill from there. They really tried to make the characters likable like in A2. They did a good job of making the people likeable enough that we cared when somebody died. Ron Pearlman is AWESOME in anything!! A3 was a total shitfest tho. I hated every minute of it and I didnt care who died. Therre was another script for A3 that took place on our moon and had Hicks and Noot fighting with Riply to keep them off earth. I read the script and it seemed really good. Dont know who picked that SHITTY script for A3. A dog?? Come on!!??
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Oct 29, 2009 12:03:57 PM CDT
CARTMANEZ while your at it, how bout no AVP part1
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
that film was such an insult to both franchises I couldn't bring myself to watch the second one.
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The third film is a brilliant end to a trilogy, and while the fourth was sloppy, it opened up the story possibilities for future installments(except for the newborn ugghhh...
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PLEASE! We watch from the perspective of the fukin pizza guy?? WTF??? Why not have it from the perspective of the Army, that would have worked much better. AVP1 was ok, I liked the whole moving pyramid thing. It just needed to be rated R as there was NO HUMAN GORE at all!! How can ya have an alien movie without a good chestburster scene??? WTF!
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havent seen the director's cut in a while but i dont remember any hints of that. i mean that one extra scene with Dallas simply showed what we eventually found out in the 2nd movie. that they cocoon people so the facehugger can impregnant them easier. was there actual dialogue implying this cuz if so...wow, thats stupid and thank god for cameron.
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Read Giger's Alien. The Aliens were originally to inhabit that planet inside a temple, not the space jockey's ship. The Space jockey folks were just the lot that visited and got fucked up first. There is not alien homeworld. Sorry.
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that was just the result of ripley and the queen's DNA mixing, probably during all the cloning processes. the queen was born with some human in her, hence the baby she spawned.
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For me, this series ended the moment they revealed Newt died. What were they thinking? "Let's throw away the triumph of the previous movie and make a weird piece of crap in which we also kill off the heroine." How did the filmmakers ever convince the studio to go with that? Who thought those were good ideas?
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Instead Ripley, Hicks, Newt and Bishop made it home and lived. If they dealt with Aliens later it was their decision. Just think, killing off Newt killed any possibility of a sequel in which she grows up and decides to follow in her foster mother's footsteps.
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IIrc, the scene showed Dallas strung up in the nest and decomposing, and Harry Dean Stanton even further along the turning-into-egg process. I forget exactly how they go about it, but it's pretty clear that the alien's prey are turning into eggs.
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Yea I think Dallas' face was morphing into something, but I always thought it was an Alien and not an Egg, I can't remember.
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as the fans wanted it ever since that last scene of Danny Glover on the Predator ship in P2
but it couldve been ok if theyd just adapted the original comic series (like Watchmen) set on an alien planet instead of setting it on present day EARTH in the fucking arctic
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Bring it on, Ridley...
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That is brilliant!!! I have watched the directors cut of A1 and never thought of that, AWESOME!!
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...with ALIEN and ALIENS.3 and 4 never happened. They weren't dreams, they just don't exist. I don't hate them as movies...just as ALIEN movies.Hell, the hardcore purist can just watch the prequel and ALIEN if they want to.
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...in polite conversation the better.
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Money talks!! She didnt want to do 3 or 4 either lol...
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where is the nottingham film? what happened?
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Can someone please tell me what this is and maybe provide a link??
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then I want somebody give back the money that I paid to watch them.
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Very good points!! Thx!!
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Very interesting and insightful stuff about the whole series. And yes, Alien 3 sucked, but it wasn't Fincher's fault: they started the movie without a script! (but I don't count it as "canon" either.) And Alien 4 was better than 3, but still flawed. The first 2 films are classics, though. And A v P is an abomination...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBSf6ooInJg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftrekm
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I actually have this on VHS, but it's been a LONG time since I had watched it. I just thought people were cocooned so they could get impregnated, but it's been so long since I watched it that I may be remembering wrong. I'll watch it again and see. It does seem kind of silly that the people would turn into the eggs, though...
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Oct 29, 2009 12:54:17 PM CDT
I've no compunction whatsoever about ignoring Cubed and Resurrec
by turdontherun
Who cares? Write them off as dreams or alternate universes. They were garbage and deserve no respect(I hope Cameron does the same thing with T3 and 4 in the slim chance he ever returns to Terminator).Mind you, Alien 3 could have been great if Fincher had been left to his own devices. Vincent Ward's monks on a wooden planet idea was very interesting as well. And to be fair, Joss Whedon's original script for A4 was not bad. I read it a year prior to the movie's release and thought that the film was going to be great. What a crushing disappointment. Euro-sci fi campery pervaded, Fox had been cheap on the budget, and a number of very cool action scenes in the original script had been excised. Not to mention the horrible choice of design for the white alien turdbaby (nothing like as described in Whedon's script). I like Jeunet's other work, but he was absolutely the wrong choice for Alien.Dubious about this prequel, Scott doesn't sound too enthusiastic (mind you, does he ever? the gruff septugenarian that he is.) I'd rather see a true sequel to Aliens, personally. Mo-cap Sigourney and Biehn. Get a grown-up Newt to become a new female action hero (you know that that's what Cameron would have done). Send them to the Alien home planet. It writes itself.
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ok theres never been a milky bar monster but if there was itd look like that...
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Is it online anywhere? Oh yeah, and for those pin-dicked Whedon haters out there...the final script for Resurrection WASN'T Whedon's. So, you can remove that from your desperate list about why Whedon sucks.
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You should see the Director's Cut of Alien 3. It isn't a dog, but a side of beef the alien comes out of...and there's like a whole additional subplot that takes about 50 minutes right in the center of the film. It's still rough, but it isn't quite the piece of shit the studio cranked out that you're referring to.
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just set it after Aliens/A3 and before A4 - no Ripley etc, Colonial Marines led by Crowe or Arnie or whoever go up against the aliens
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...no business being ALIEN movies.Both had points of interest...they're just not classics, and they are certainly not ALIEN sequels.A truly great prequel will make for a new trilogy and help erase those last two flawed chapters from THE BOOK OF ALIEN.
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Couldn't we have a simultaneously unfolding story somewhere else? Something that fills in additional information that connects with the series, but doesn't have to come prior to Alien or after Alien 4? I mean, who knows what Weyland-Yutani knows or has access to?
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Just the way the title design looked in the advertising. The word 'Alien' with the number '3' smaller and raised above the word. Making it look like 'Alien to the power of 3' - Or, 'Alien cubed'
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Just the way the title design looked in the advertising. The word 'Alien' with the number '3' smaller and raised above the word. Making it look like 'Alien to the power of 3' - Or, 'Alien cubed'
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"Ah, who cares if it's shit? If people don't like it, we'll just say it was all a dream, and never happened." You might not personally think that A3 and A4 deserve any respect, and you're free to pretend that they were never made. But if Fox ever releases an actual Alien sequel that officially undoes A3 and A4, then I will never watch another Alien movie ever again. Reboot? Fine. Prequel? Fine. But if they're not gonna stand by the movies that they release, then how can I take the series seriously? Why not undo Aliens? Why not undo the "real Alien 3" when that ends up being shit too? For all the talk about here about how Hollywood is getting crazy with the remakes, some of you people want studios to start remaking SEQUELS every time a sequel flops? That doesn't sit well with me at all. Instead of undoing every failure, how about working harder to put out a good product the first time? Instead of lazily remaking sequels because the story didn't go where they wanted it to, how about finding places where the story can go? Redoing Alien 3 (or any sequel) is the point at which the series is officially dead. That's the point at which there's officially nowhere left to go, so instead we end up getting a bunch of "what if?" stories. Stories that never really mean shit, since we'll know that they are just as disposable as the stories that got thrown out in the first place. And if you EVER have to write yourself out of a hole by saying "well, that other stuff that just happened, it was just a dream", then you'd better think of something else, because that doesn't cut it.
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is the cherry in the pie that is called Alien,they help to improve the mystery of the alien's origin.but since now,an alien prequel is inevitable,i would like the creators to concentrate a bit on the origin and purpose of that spaceship and its alien owners,and learn some things about them.
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I can't believe ANY self-respecting fan of the original could like that film...I don't mean to sound overly critical but truthfully, even Sigourney Weaver wasn't a fan of it (as she openly admitted after its release). The dialogue is corny; the acting at times stiff and the whole orgy with the queen turned alien hybrid birth was ludicrous and demeaned the series. Her having alien DNA was interesting - as was the scene where she finds all the failed attempts to recreate her (but aside from a couple amusing scenes, this was NOT a good movie). And Wynona Ryder was beyond horrible as an android.
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in my opinion (and I'm sure I'm in the minority) was not as bad as everyone said. Far weaker than 1 and 2, of course, but part 4 made it look like fantastic filmmaking. At least it was edgy and grim...Part 4 felt like a Roadrunner and Coyote cartoon.
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Translation: "they aren't the Alien movies that I wanted to see." I'm not fond of A3 and A4 either, but what a lot of people are doing here is just complaining that the story didn't turn out like they wanted. Tough cookies. Every fan has some story in their head for what they wanted to see. Ripley and Newt fighting Aliens on Earth, etc. And every fan-made wish-synopsis I've seen is also shit. Get over it. You guys are never going to see the Alien sequel that you imagined in your mind, nor is there any reason why your dream Alien sequel ever SHOULD get made. People need to just let go of this series, and stop pretending like the sequels had some particular direction that they "should" have gone in. Don't like how things turned out? Too bad.
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...3 and 4?If Ridley Scott had made all four, then yes, it would be lazy. He didn't though. If he wants to reclaim his creation he has every right to get back to basics if he wants to. And I don't think there's any need to directly contradict 3 and 4...just ignore them.I don't give four shits about Fox's integrity or continuity. This sort of thing happens all the time with ongoing stories. Howard wrote a certain number of CONAN stories...then some were published posthumously...then some of his other stories were re-tooled to be CONAN stories...then other writers were hired to write brand new CONAN stories. A recent compilation recently went through and picked and chose which stories deserve to be in the series and which to cut. And it wouldn't even have to be an official cut...just make 3 and 4 ignorable.
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Where Winona Ryder is trying to pick up a glass while wearing two boxing gloves. I was flipping through channels earlier this week and saw that scene. And I was like, "what the fuck is she doing?" So I'm watching her delicately try to pick up a glass while wearing two boxing gloves. Then she spills the stuff all over the table, and Ron Perlman started yelling at her. What can I say, I laughed.
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That doesn't make a lick of sense. Are you confusing the whims of greedy studio execs with the creativity and decisions of individual filmmakers? Alien Cubed already counted for shit the moment the film began and alien eggs were magically aboard the Sulaco with no apparent explanation other than a contrivance to keep the franchise going. If studios don't respect the intelligence of viewers to even offer a coherent story then their 'products' deserve no respect. PERIOD. This has got nothing to do with some Bobby Ewing in the shower convolutedly write yourself out of a mis-step nonsense whatsoever. A lazy way to make movies is to make up an incoherent script as you go along, a la Alien 3. Yes, it would be nice if the movies turned out great the first time, but that's common sense, yes? And maybe they would have if the filmmakers had been left to their own devices. But Alien 3 (and to a lesser extent 4) are COMPROMISED films on their own terms - it has nothing to do with them financially flopping or not liking the direction they took. BIG difference between that and simply not persoanlly liking a sequel for what it is. The series has had no integrity post-Aliens, so it's simply a moot point.
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...Fincher or Jean-Pierre Jeunet?If so, I love your other movies...I just don't think your ALIENS movie is a very good ALIENS movie. Interesting in other ways though...
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Newt died at the fucking start of the movie.Ripley busted her ass in Aliens to save them all,and especially Newt who was seeing on her,her missing daughter,but suddenly she lost her again.
And their death didnt seem to make an important impact on her character during Alien3,it seemed like Ripley was in that movie just to please the fans by kicking some more alien butt but nothing else.
Alien3 had great atmosphere,interesting setting and some cool scenes,but Ripley didnt have a purpose on that movie apart from the studios to grab money from the fans.If it was not a direct sequel to the events of Alien2 or at least a movie with another protagonist than Ripley,imho the movie would have been a masterpiece. -
Yet another pointless prequel.
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If so, and that's justification for getting rid of Alien 3 and Alien 4, then we've got to get rid of Aliens as well. If this is about Scott reclaiming his creation, then we've gotta ignore Aliens as well. Furthermore, from the perspective of the people involved with Alien 3 and Alien 4, what the fuck business does Ridley Scott have telling them that their movies don't count? Like the result or not, but if Ridley Scott wanted Alien 3 to turn out a certain way, then he should have fucking made Alien 3.
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since my prequel movie negates the events of Well's flick.am i clear?
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The Queen was on the Sulaco, eggs were on the Sulaco. So that argument is bullshit. Secondly, Alien 3 and Alien 4 were made by "greedy studio execs" rather than the creativity and decisions of individual filmmakers? Really? You think that Alien and Aliens were in no way "compromised"? You don't think that any "creativity" or "artistic vision" went into Alien 3 and Alien 4?
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That is EXACTLY what people are proposing is done as far as Alien sequels. They propose making an alternate movie that retroatcively invalidates the work done by other filmmakers.
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well, if it's set 30 years before A L I E N, then it must be about the previous crew that discovered the signal but were unable to get a sample. Remember: the space jockey was 'fossilized', so this can't be about it.
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...hating on Ridley Scott...standing up and fighting for the civil and human rights of ALIENS 3 and 4...insisting on the creative integrity of a movie studio...Someone somehow involved with one of these projects touched you inappropriately as a child...I don't have time to get to the bottom of this...
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Knowing Ridley's artistic vision, he will bring back Giger, even if just minimally, to do designs. and THANK GOD this time the A L I E N will look again like GIGER'S work. F*ckin Amalgamated Dynamics.
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...FIGHT CLUB and CITY OF THE LOST CHILDREN in particular.Just let the ALIENS thing go...write it off as a learning experience.
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a movie critic here from Greece took some years ago an interview from that french director of Alien4,and at some point he asked him about Alien4 and if he had full control of the movie's creation or the studio interfered with his work.
The director was absolutely clear about this: The studio gave him 100% freedom to do whatever he wanted with his film.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:50:47 PM CDT
...is Geiger still alive? God, he looked as though Satan...
by flickapoo
...had consumed his soul thirty years ago. It would be great to see some new designs...
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Hypothetical fanboy awesomeness, but a terrible final product. The cinematography's great, but that's the only good that can be said about it.
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I have seen the bladerunner doc and read micheal deeleys book. ridley scott made his reputation on alien. after the duellists scott vowed that he would never allow anyone to keep him out of the loop in regards to all aspects of making of a film. cameron said that he didnt like the nest sequence and he was right. it drags the film out. when scott made alien he put a contractual gun to foxs head. and said give me full control of the alien production or there will be no movie. they relented. Alien was made with a media clampdown. no info got in or out. Alien is owned by twentieth century fox. people dont realise this. they give out stink. scott doesnt own this franchise. cameron doesnt own this franchise. fincher doesnt. this is foxs franchise. they ran their own franchise into the ground. paramount did this with star trek and UA did this with bond. scott is doing this with alien. with the prequel out the way fox and scott can give the fans one last alien movie. alien 5. scott then can finish the franchise what he started. with tony scott as director. and ridley producing.
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I didn't say one negative thing about the man or his works, so I don't know where you're getting that idea. As far as defending Alien 3 and 4, I'm certainly not defending their QUALITY. I liked Alien 3, though I found it to be lacking. And Alien 4 was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. But you should look at this from another perspective. Instead of people clamoring to erase Alien 3, pretend that you're James Cameron. Pretend that you just made Aliens. Pretend that people are pissed about what you did to the Alien mythology (Cameron's vision of the Aliens IS radically different than Scott's). Now pretend that Fox hires people to make another Alien movie. But this isn't a sequel building upon YOUR controbutions to the series. Instead, it ERASES what you did and pretends that your movie never fucking happened. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I'D be pretty pissed off, and rightfully so.
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and the rest of the crew are half-tranformed into alien eggs? that one?
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Yeah, part of that deleted scene is available on youtube. Or, at least part of it. I have the impression some dialog was cut in the youtube clip.
http://tinyurl.com/yflyzzq A commentator is saying one guy was turning into an egg and the other guy was going to be a host.
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I don't think it's just the creature design, I think the entire concept is flawed (Wheodon's original script of an albino-vampire-alien wouldn't have worked either and just shows off his vampire fetish.) BUT, take out the last ten minutes, it's a solid Alien movie with a lot of humour and some great scenes (Ripley meets Ripley clones is a great bit with an awesome punchline at the end "I don't get it. Waste of ammo, man."). It's only drawbacks in the early going is some wonky CGI (it's crazy how the CGI alien in Alien 3 looks better) and that bit where the Alien's acidic blood doesn't even hurt the wheelchair guy (say what you will about Alien vs. Predator: Requiem they got the ACID BLOOD right). I guess you could No-Prize the acid blood not being that acidic because the alien's are based off a clone sample of Ripley. But, yeah, it's a solid alien flick it just goes rather spectacularly off the rails at the end which sort of sours you on the entire movie, which is a shame because it's decent up to that point.
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jeunet and fincher wont mind if their movies are erased from the canonical universe of the franchise.especiall fincher.
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"I'm telling you, it's here!" "Take this woman to the infirmar-"*grab*"AAARRRGGGHHHHHHHH!!!"
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Thx for the comments. I will def check out the directors cut of Alien *Cubed* - I feel so stupid now Cubed=3 when where was my head lol....
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Um, no. That 'explanation' doesn't cut it. The Queen laid them on The Sulaco? Without an egg sac? And where exactly? In the dropship landing gear? That's not where they are in the opening montage. It's a massive plot hole, through and through. Even Fincher, when posed the question of where the eggs came from, tongue-in-cheekly replied 'er, you're not suposed to ask that!"And yes, Alien 3 was more of a studio exec film than a filmmaker's one. Why do you think Fincher barely acknowledges the movie's existence even to this day? Sure, he and Jeunet gainfully managed to put some nice touches in both movies, but they are largely botched pieces of work. Sure, all films are compromised and a process of creative give-and-take to some extent, but there's a difference between that and the giant clusterfuck that was Alien 3's production. Surely you know of this? Alien Resurrection was also compromised - massive budgets cuts were made at the last minute forcing the filmmakers to severly reduce their vision, as well as other stipulations (for censorship reasons, not allowing Marc Caro to work on the film, toying with Whedon's original script, etc.) Not nearly to the same extent as 3 but still noticeable.
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Yes the alien queen got on the Sulaco sure but she had detached herself from her egg laying abdomin thing by then.
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a vincent ward film and his ideas were brilliant. but we all know what happened film.
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I've rewatched my Alien Quadrilogy set so many times, the outer case is falling apart... Even 3 and 4 are better than Terminator:Salvation times a gajillion.
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What if the Alien predated our Universe?! What if the alien came from a level of existence that humans couldnt comprehend? What if the Alien species CREATED our universe just by its mere existence,and therefore by implication we cant exist without the acid blood and razor teeth......
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got aboard sulaco together with the Queen.he arrived on the platform from some other level of the construciton,just in time when Bishop hit the platform with his ship.just pretend that this happened,thats all.
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but if their movies are erased from canon, do you think anyone's going to check first and ask them if they're okay with that? If they did have a problem with their movies being erased, do you think that would stop it from happening? Maybe I'm making too big of a deal out of this. But I just see it this way...if Fincher or Jeunet choose to disown those movies and have nothing to do with them ever again, that's their call. If Jeunet wanted to do an Alien 5 that erases Alien 4 from the canonical universe, then again that would be his call and he'd be erasing his OWN movie. I see that as being a little bit different than someone ELSE coming along behind Jeunet and categorically invalidating Jeunet's movie. I don't make movies and have no ambition to ever be involved in the movie industry. But like it or not, Alien 4 IS Jeunet's work, and I could never see myself following another artist and completely invalidating what they did. But again, like I said, maybe I'm making too big a deal out of this. So I'm just gonna let this argument go.
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That's the way I viewed it. They travel from queen butt to egg laying thing to out the tail.
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... happened", you would be pissed.Of course you would be pissed, and rightly so...but tough noogies. They should have made a better ALIEN movie then. This isn't pewee soccer where everybody gets a prize.And as I said, I don't think (although I would have to go back and check, and that wouldn't be any fun) there is any need to erase or contradict 3 and 4. Just make them easy to ignore.
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a 40 years old beloved universe created by the work and love of thousands of people.Do u think that the Fox studio will have the polite to ask jenaut or fincher if they dont mind the erase of their works from Scott?
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Oct 29, 2009 2:15:51 PM CDT
i vote for whacking 3 and 4, they were just a dream fuk it!!!
by thedoctor28
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Easily filled in simply by the fact that we know very little about Alien anatomy. Granted, it's a little far-fetched, but no more far fetched than the idea that Weyland-Yutani conveniently waited 57 years for Ripley to resurface before exposing the colonists to the Aliens. None of these movies are without their lapses in logic, and in each of them we're expected to ignore certain plot holes that exist solely to bring back certain certain characters. I'll admit it as a plot hole, but it's one that could have been easily explained if necesary, and it certainly doesn't disrespect Aliens any more than Aliens disrespected Alien.
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he,somehow and without knowing, was impregnated by a headgrabber when he went out to fix the uplink.And thats why the Queen splits him in half,because the alien baby could not burst out from his artifical chest.yes thats what happened.
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I never did understand that! The Co. knew the derelict ship was there so why didnt they tell anyone? AND after Riply tells them its there no one bothered to check her story out to see if a ship was at the coordinates she supplied??? so burke is the only one who bothers to check by telling someone in the colony to look there but doesnt tell them why?? One big mistake in an otherwise great movie
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Sorry, i know you guys hate that shit lol....
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Because by your logic, it's fair to invalidate ANY movie, so long as the person doing it thinks that that movie sucks. Suppose I think that Aliens is shit, and I think that my sequel to Alien out to replace Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien 4. How would you feel if you read the news that someone were erasing Aliens from Canon? And now, I see that you did say that you think a sequel could be made without actually invalidating Alien 3 and 4. Fair enough. But you must admit that that IS what many people are proposing, particularly when they say "just say that Alien 3 and 4 was all a dream."
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that the Co already knew from Alien1 that there was a crashed alien ship on that planet.so why the company people acted as Ripley was crazy with her story about the ship? its a good plothole,but i think it can be explained:
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The idea that the conceived alien has the characteristics of its host - like a dog or a predator, is just fucking retarded. They should have never done that, but then again, there was a bunch of shit they should have never done.
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...that's just silly...and yes, lazy. 3 and 4 are so different in tone though that that if (a big if) a prequel were great I think they would eventually fade and just become interesting curiosities. Just a guess. And a hope.
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i took it as those Co people were not in on what was really there BUT, why didnt anyone she told other than Burke bother checking??? She was an officer for christs sake!! All the CO had to do was officially contact the colony and ask someone to look!! and maybe tell them to be carefull that something dangerous might be there. Plus would you go in there with just your wire?? Come on honey, lets check out this creepy ship by ourselves without any help. FUK DAT!! and with my kids outside!!!?? what were they thinking lol....
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...I have to side here with the original creator. Anyone else coming along and it would be just another bullshit cash grab. And it may still be a bullshit cash grab...but in my world the creator gets a second grab at the ring if he wants it.
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Oh sorry wrong TB hehehehe
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that the Co already knew from Alien1 that there was a crashed alien ship on that planet.so why the company people acted as Ripley was crazy with her story about the ship? its a good plothole,but i think it can be explained:
The events of alien1 occured 50+ before the events of alien2 or at least 20+ before the start of the colonization of the planet),which means that the executive office from the company was renewed at least twice.which means that with the passing of time,the Nostromo event was forgotten and buried in some private data file of the company.The company staff from alien2 did know about the planet but they were informed about the alien ship,because that event was too secret that it got lost in some security file.
ofc that doesnt explain why the company didnt send an exploration ship immediately after the destruction of Nostromo,just to look there to see what happened.(well someone might say that this was too expensive,they already had lost a precious ship so they didnt want to spend more money to discover what happened).
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I thought busted up Bishop said something about the egg/eggs being onboard from the start??
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story because as the examiner told to Ripley: they have colonized the planet and didnt discover anything.But my guess is that Burk somehow was intrigued by Ripleys story,he checked the company's old files,he might even have some security access to some secret project files and discovered that Ripley was telling the truth.So he decided to investigate further and called the colony to check the crash site.
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convoluted explanations to justify these ridiculous plot holes. Now the difference in Aliens is that those things mentioned were not in fact lapses in logic but quite plausibly explained - Cameron himself even contested such criticisms in a Starlog magazine Q and A after the movie's release. The Company (at least the board of review in Aliens) didn't know of the ship on LV-426. Whoever contrived special order 937 was long since dead and part of some classified wing of Weyland Yutani. As for the ship itself, its radio transmission was destroyed - you can see that a volcanic outcropping has eroded part of the ship in the special edition, and Newt's parents go through a newly formed rent in the hull, not the ovoid portals as in Alien. In fact, in an earlier draft of the script, Newt's parents were to enter the space jockey chamber only to find that the jockey and his transmitter had been covered by a drift of volcanic ash. Nobody was aware of the ship until Ripley told them, and even then, no one believed her. Only t e opportunistic Burke made a move to check it out.Now, as regards why Burke didn't tell them anything - this is explained in the movie itself "why didn't you warn them, Burke?" "Look, if I did that, ICC would have stepped in, colonial admin would have stepped in, and there would have been no exclusive rights for anyone" (paraphrasing).
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just wanted to answer that one person who seemed to find it odd that the wheelchair guy in Resurrection didnt feel the acid blood. well he was paralyzed from the waist down, so he literally could not feel a thing. no big mystery or plot hole or whatever.
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but the Sulaco was in planetary orbit.Only the Queen could have brought the eggs aboard on it,but how exactly was this done?
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ok im sold!
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Oct 29, 2009 2:46:47 PM CDT
Or if you want to take the tact that the Company DID know
by turdontherun
Why wouldn't they pretend they didn't know? They would want to cover their asses and use Ripley as a scapegoat - after all, they were indirectly responsible for the deaths of an entire ship's crew.
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as may times as i watched the Special edition of Aliens, I never realized that the derelict ship was basically covered and out of normal view, i was always wondering how no one over saw it before??!! Nice job thx!
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i agree 100% with u
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Oct 29, 2009 2:50:04 PM CDT
JettL and I are working on a 2001 prequel called 1997...
by darth_inedible
Yea I know it seems absurd to name a film set in the future "1997" but Jett thinks that for consistency's sake we should stick with it and not just name it something like 2001: Exogenesis(my idea). His idea is that the 2001 universe Clark and Kubrick created is separate from our own. I guess he's right.
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lot that was a good one darth
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Alien didn't need 12 sequels.
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Oct 29, 2009 2:56:13 PM CDT
"this thing which destroyed my CREW...and your expensive ship."
by tall_boy66
That may be my favourite Ripley line of the whole movie. Dunno why I threw that out there. There are better lines but they're mostly from the Marines.
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In my opinion it is the best movie trailer ever made. Without peer. Tells you very little about the movie, no dialogue, but you can see that the production values are great and that you're going to have the shit scared out of you. Both of which turn out to be entirely true.
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It's that his leg was still attached to him. This shit eats through decks of hull on the Nostromo, blew apart several floors on LV-426 colony, and melts faces and limbs. But wheelchair guy just looks down and his pants just have a hole in it. Uh, right. Shoulda gnawed his leg right off.
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so maybe the reason his leg didnt fall off is because he was in reality Handi-Man in disguise. :P
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Oct 29, 2009 3:02:17 PM CDT
I love how you know by the headline that Merrick is the one writ
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
Odds are if it looks like a headline someone wrote 2 seconds after having a stroke..It's Merrick..Aint it cool little...or no news
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"HercsShowerRadio , the facehugger in the first alien movie hatched out of an egg, laid by what??? Oh yeah, a queen alien. Where do you think those eggs came from? Cameron did not make up the hive structure for the aliens - that was very clearly existing in the first movie."
Jeez, dude, do you know NOTHING about the original conception for the alien, i.e. that it budded new eggs out of cocooned humans with no queen involved? That's part of the original "Starbeast" script as well.
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A few drops won't kill you. Much more than that, you're dead. Keep in mind that in Aliens, at least 4 peopple got acid on them, and only Drake died. Granted, Hicks and Vasquez were seriously injured. But Hudson got acid sprayed on his arm, and he wasn't hurt too badly. Small amounts of the acid get neutralized very quickly.
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"I hope it explains exactly how the alien ship ended up on the planet. And I hope it shows the Ash line being created on Earth, and includes Ripley as a kid, maybe Dallas too."
I like it.
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There, I said it
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No. Have you?
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So it does kind of vary from movie to movie, am I just being admittedly nitpicking about this. I think when Hudson got sprayed it was sort of off to the side, the alien blood that hit wheelchair guy was from the top down so you'd figure that would go straight through him. And I don't remember how much acid blood hit the hunter in AVP:R but it ate right through his arm, same with the guy who shotgunned the Alien right above his head and it basically melted his face off. (at least they were right with the acid blood being deadly, which is what I enjoyed)
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That might not necessarily be true because - I took it as the alien in the first movie was not a queen SO, the only way it could re-produce was in this way by turning a human into an egg and having another human be the bait for the new facehugger. If THAT alien was a queen it would have laid more eggs as such in the second film. These aliens are such perfect organisms that they can find a way to re-produce even if they are not queens. That alien in the first movie was about to die on its own at the end because it was at the end of its life cycle. It went to curl up and die until Ripley pissed it off with the steam
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I just did a bunch of websearching and I found an quote about re. volcanic ash and the alien ship signal. (Q: Why don't the colonists on LV-426 pick up the derelict SOS?
A: In a cut scene from ALIENS, the derelict ship has been damaged by
volcanic activity and, as a result, the beacon was rendered
inoperable. [James Cameron, STARLOG #125, DEC 1987]) But my Google-fu was weak and I can't find the full Q & A. And I did find a Starlog article from September 1986 but it isn't the Q&A, just a standard article (fun note: Cameron says he won't direct Terminator 2. Heh.) http://www.alienscollection.com/adampirani2.html Wait, I'm stupid, I just saw that that Cameron Q & A was from Dec. 87. Back to Google, I go! Maybe. -
remember that blood came from an alien clone from Ripley so it might not have been as potent
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into eggs was really ludicrous.i am glad they didnt add it to th emovie,and later cameron came with the hive/queen idea in alien2.
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Granted, it still wasn't a lot, looked to maybe about 4 fluid ounces, but it was significantly more than one drop. Maybe I'm nitpicking here, and maybe there is SOME inconsistency with the acid's effects, but I think you're sort of exaggerating any inconsistencies. For me, it's barely worth noting. One drop (or a few drops in a fine spray) won't kill you.
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It was actually sort of cute. Like watching a baby taking a nap. Alien went back to sleep, and I was like, "Aw, isn't that cute. Little Alien is sleepy." Almost kind of wanted Ripley to stand next to it and sing it a lullaby.
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...it goes without saying that only a prequel by Ridley Scott gets a shot at this. A prequel by anyone else is just ore beating a dead and raped horse...and some sort of sequel to ALIEN or ALIENS that ignores the later movies seems too contrived...I don't think you could get away with it.That's the potential beauty of a prequel.
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Oct 29, 2009 3:33:10 PM CDT
KNOWING MORE ABOUT THE SPACE JOCKEY/ALIENS RUINS EVERYTHING
by takeiteasymon
The reason they are interesting is because we don't know; your imagination fills in the details. Prequels ALWAYS ruin any sense of mystery by filling in the gaps, and never as well as you can in your own head. The Joker in TDK was interesting for that very reason, he just 'was' we didn't need a stupid backstory or to know the details. This whole concept of a prequel has Fail written all over it.
If ANYTHING, pick up where aliens left off, ignore pt 3/4 as others have suggested. The only story really worth telling is having them make it to earth and things unraveling from there. Space Jockey fans can even have a deus ex machina moment where they come in and wreck house, perhaps. -
impression.the alien just wanted to take a nap,after all this killing.
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Granted, it's sort of sad to see the Alien series die, but at this point I honestly think that's what ought to happen. I don't see much chance in saving this series. That being said, I have some SMALL hope in this prequel. And the reason is, like you said, ONLY because it's being handled by Ridley Scott. I don't have much FAITH in this, but there's still HOPE. If this fails, though, that should be it. No more Alien movies ever, and this series should be allowed to die.
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turning the humans into eggs BUT, it was a very creepy part of the movie, i liked it!
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...I sure hope he has a damn good idea, and one that has good reason to be told. Odds are against it...
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I dont remember anything about the derelict ship being cover by ash, maybe it was in the script but never shot on film. This is not the directors cut (extra what 15 minutes), my copy has an extra 25 minutes added and i cant find this version on dvd, i have it on vhs, i can only find the directors cut on dvd which seems to have only about 15 minutes added.....
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with the ship covered with ash
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It wont ruin anything. There can still be plenty of mystery left. Is this going to be a requel, or a preboot??? Are these real words yet lol.....
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...then with a mvoie with no weapons at all, an alien that runs like a dog, and all of the humans having shaved heads so you can't tell who's who which would at least give you a chance of caring about the characters. Alien 3 is the second worst sequel of all-time coming in right behind Highlander 2. Alien Resurrection could've been great if all of the genetic bullshit (and Ripley) were not part of the movie. If we had no superhuman Ripley, not pink alien baby thing and we would've had a decent action movie.
On a related note, why is it they keep referring to the alien as a "superior species" but some how when this superior species is combined with a flawed species (human), we get a "perfect species"? It makes no sense as if you take anything pure and delute it with something less pure, it could never be as pure as it once was and sure as hell couldn't be even better! -
another legendary director going the sellout route. *claps*
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Hearing about it answers a bunch of questions I had, thx!!
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I said the side of it has collapsed into an outpouring of volcanic rock and the hull ruptured. That is clearly visible in the establishing shot from the special edition. I said a never filmed scene would have shown the interior damage of this with the space jockey chamber half submerged in ash - its in Cameron's original script treatment which is on the quadrilogy dvd.thedoctor28, there are only 2 versions of Aliens, the theatrical version and the special edition with 17 mins extra. I've no idea what you're talking about when you say 25 extra minutes.
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Imagine how crazy this would be: Just a race of Space jockeys who design the perfect weapon only to be destroyed by it. The last surviors take off to fly away, but there are eggs aboard... I'm serious, do the whole movie with no people and no English.
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I've never been a big supporter of remakes/reboots/reimaginings/retcons/whatever. It's insulting to those who made the first work. Instead of re-ing EVERYthing that sucks why not try to make the most of it? Salvage the franchise. If only studios and filmmakers would stand by and defend their work instead of allowing it to be relegated to "it was just a dream" or "that movie sucked let's replace it". You know this prequel is going to lead to more prequels or a reboot of some kind when Scott inevitably refuses to direct a follow-up. Kiss the franchise as you know it (or as you would have liked to have known it in your mind) goodbye. For me, it was already destroyed years ago with AvP since I can tolerate Resurrection and A3. Accept the failures and enjoy the films you liked.
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I have hope. But after AVP, AVP:R, Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection, I'm not hoping for much. Alien 3 kicked my ass back in 1992 - I waited 6 years to see what happened to Hicks and Newt, just to find out one got skewered and the other drowned, in their sleep, before the fucking credits even finished. fuck that.
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......go fuck yourself! That is the dumbest fucking idea. Here's an idea! Show what happened to the colonists as they settled the planet. It would take place between Alien and Aliens! You all could have more space marines fighting and creepy Aliens picking off settlers in dark hallways! A prequel is stupid because the ship that crashed wasn't human in origin. Who the fuck wants to see Aliens attacking other Aliens! What was cool about Cameron's movie is that he treated the creatures like insects in a colony. You could elaborate on that notion to great effect. Or you could just put another fucking Alien creature on another fucking ship. That is too redundant! You all want space marines, face huggers, and swarms of Aliens run amuck.
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Ripley's real daughter didnt die by natural causes.Instead she grew up and when she learned that the planet was going to get colonized,she decides to join the project in order to go to the planet and discover what happened to her mother.
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"It was played out after the first one, as far as I’m concerned. Cameron, in the first one, did about the only thing you could do, which was that he changed to a different genre, from a horror movie to an action film. But once he had done that, there really was nothing left to do. And they just keep squeezing the thing till it’s an empty bag. But as long as it keeps bringing in money to them, they’ll keep doing it."
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In the first film, there is an alien (noun), and it is truly alien (adjective). You never really see it or understand it, even though on the psychosexual level it definitely resembles an erect penis. So, the film works as a horror/science-fiction film because the alien really is alien. In Aliens, we, as the audience, already know what the alien is. Moreover, its life-cycle is explained in detail, and it is basically a large bug. ("This a stand-up fight, sir? Or another bug hunt?") As such, the aliens in aliens are not alien, which makes Aliens a science-fiction/action movie. The horror was removed, and Cameron knew that it would be. So, he made a very different film.
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One would of had to thought, oh here we go a shitty Americanized gun ho shitfest of a sequel. But I have to say, what a fucking brilliant movie that was! Sheer fucking brilliance!
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Christ, you'd think people would've gotten over this shit by now.
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been a long time. Forgot how much I hated that movie. So much possibility... such a complete and total cluster fuck.
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How the fuck does someone suggest they kill all the beloved characters from Aliens in the opening credits for Alien 3 and not get fired immediately. how the fuck does that one simple idea ever make it out of the room? seriously? seriously?
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I would've killed the entire cast of ALIENS during the opening credits of ALIEN³ if any more of them had survived.
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Oct 29, 2009 5:56:51 PM CDT
I wrote an Alien Prequel in 7th grade. Kinda curious...
by onin solstice
Yeah, some of it took place on earth. I don't remember how it started, I should dig it out. Anyway, if Scott dosen't direct this I'll lose lots of interest.
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That was the only way they could make a good sequel to Alien. Completely change genre. Now I think they can't do anything with it. Prequel's a kinda stupid idea, I was hoping they would just be done with it. Forget about 3 and 4, keep reminiscing about 1 and 2. I'm only interested because of Scott.
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us finding out that Danny Glover and Joe pesci had died off screen and mel gibson finds out he has aids.... it's the equivalent to what happened in alien 3
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Any movie to join this franchise should definitely have her involvement (AvP does not count at all). She worked again with Cameron after all those years it would be immensley cool if Ridley Scott hired her again and made this a respectable production. Is all.
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Sir Ridds mentioned this little factoid on the Alien commentary. Thats the angle he's going to take on this, mark my words people! The Space jokey is just a single navigator on his ship, with a biological weapon in his cargo hold. The real trick will be, how do you have humans in this story because the movies going to be a hard sell without them/us.
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It's been 30 years since the first movie. 30 years. That's a hell of a long time to go without "where the hell these things came from, what that thing is." Some mysteries have expiration dates. Of course, the only prequel that'll make sense would be the All-Space-Jockey movie, and I don't quite thing we're going to get that. (Also, it'd be kind of short. Scene One: Space Jockey is sitting in his bio-mechanical chair. "Boy, this gig is easy! All I have to do is transport-EUGHMRPH!" Scene Two: Space Jockey wakes up with curled up facehugger beside him. "Ooohh, I don't feel so good...AARRGGGH!!!" *chestburst* The End.)
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Couldn't the space jockey be a Navi with a glandular problem..I'm just sayin could make an interesting crossover..by the way If I cry at Avatar will I be having a squirting orgasam?
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In the bonus materials of the special edition Alien DVD, director Ridley Scott expresses the opinion that a film exploring the backstory of the Space Jockey would be an interesting direction for the series to take.
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Oct 29, 2009 6:33:42 PM CDT
Leafy McPlantsalot- that wouldve been better than the real LW3
by cartmanez
fucking sucked
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I think you already have a squirting orgasam!
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like T3 did with T2....
Ripley, Newt and Hicks and Bishop crash land on a planet - LIVE and have to battle the aliens...with guns and splosions and stuff etc
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id say A4 is the worst of that bunch...yes even worse than AvP 2
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and before its rated Ridley says stuff like 'its been made compromise free...with no rating in mind....hey The Dark Knight was pg13....we filmed a scene with Sigorneys boobs...'
then a little "pg13" logo appears at the bottom left of the offical Alien 5 Burger King page a couple of days before release...
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A1,A2,A3,AVP,A4,AVP2
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...ALIEN and ALIENS is a tossup...leaning towards ALIEN. I've seen ALIENS more times though...lots more fun.A4, while a terrible ALIENS movie, at least had some balls and surprised me.A3 was just dull, the worst sin in movies (I love you Fincher).AvP 1 and 2...I couldn't be bothered to think about it. Don't even think I saw the second one.
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he was working on A5 just b4 the AvP mess wasnt he (with Scott - AICN broke the story i believe) - mustve been writing and producing with Scott directing - so why no Cameron now?
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Heck, I even loved most of Alien 3.
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itd have had to have been set in space i guess - maybe closer to the original comic
might have been good...wonder who theyd have got to direct? wasnt the Riddick guy up for it?
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Two big points I feel need to be made.
1. Alien, the original, is the (slightly) superior work of the existing movies, in that it provided a rich and solid base for future movies to be made... a base which Cameron, God bless his soul, did NOT defile when he made possibly THE BEST SEQUEL TO ANY MOVIE EVER. Aliens rocked the fucking house, and delivered big-time. I am still amazed how BOTH the first two Alien movies still look better now than any Sci-Fi being made today.
Sadly, the same cannot be said about anything that came after... and fuck- in the ear- whoever cast Winona Ryder in A4... but then, that really was the least of that movie's problems, so I guess I should just move on...
2. Anybody who is talking about Sigourney Weaver being too old needs to STEP OFF, for two reasons: firstly, she could still kick any of your pasty asses with just the power of her MIND, and 2. IT'S A FUCKING PREQUEL YOU IDIOTS. In Alien, it was QUITE clear (in case any of you missed it) that she had no clue what the Alien was... so if she were to somehow show up in the prequel, that would be pretty fucking stupid on Ridley Scott's part, and last time I checked, the LAST thing Scott is is stupid.
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reminds me that prequel of The Thing (carpenters),which aicn mentioned some time ago.i dont know if that project is still in development,but i know that they wanted the protagonist to be Mccready's brother who faced the thing before the events of carpenters movie.!!! what a stupid idea.
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If this is going to be set 30 years before the events of Alien, it doesn't seem logical that it would be about the fossilised space jokey. Just seems to be a bit of a stretch it takes 30 years to turn to stone. But since the company knew enough about the warning beacon in order to wake the Nostramos' crew and send them in, it might follow something to do with a previous expedition that gets wiped out.
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to be in this film. I am hoping that the beginning of the film starts with her in some sort of way, maybe a conversation about the Derelict and the planet. I just feel like these films have become about Ripley, it's her story as much as the aliens. I am quite excited about Scott being back on board, but I REALLY want him to make an incredible timeless film.
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You are needed in the proctology department.Your getting behind in your work...Doctor..
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Oct 29, 2009 9:19:36 PM CDT
us finding out that Danny Glover and Joe pesci had died off scre
by takingscorpioscalls
Nice one Leafy.
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than another rehash of Alien.
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Seriously, almost all of the space effects in Alien: Resurrection look like total shit. Really, really lame effects. Cameron may be a douche, but his space was beautiful -- the opening shot for example.
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Species! Can't believe no one's thought of this! Henstridge and Weaver can do battle nude!
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Aliens are just dull.
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Since that's what passes for horror nowadays, bring it on.
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Its only crime is that it followed the more action oriented Aliens. People just expect more and bigger because it's a sequel.
Watch it again, and pay especially close attention to the scene where the doctor opens up to Ripley, and just when she's about to do the same to him and she might actually find a friend - the alien comes from nowhere and kills the guy. It's a brilliant film you're missing if you hate it for what it's not supposed to be. -
Got my money on my spikey boys! Let's see one of those goth queers try to take a bite out of these guys. Seriously, just do Edward Cullen vs. Aliens. I'd pay so much to see this.
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AM I RIGHT PEOPLE?!!
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Oct 29, 2009 10:56:23 PM CDT
And Hicks and Newt being dead at the beginning was a great move.
by thenorthlander
The fact that Ripley worked so hard to get them out, the fact that she cared so much for both of them, and them dying like that is great drama. You can't get much darker than that. It just sets the tone immediately that nobody is safe in that film - and nothing is sacred when it comes to sequel "rules". The ordinary and predictable thing to have done would have been to keep them alive for another sequel, but face it - Hicks and Newt would have had no function to fill.
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Yes, the Alien movies WERE Ripley's story. That can't last forever. For one thing she's going to get old, and eventually stop bothering with these movies. Secondly, you repeat this shit enough, and it turns into "John McClane Syndrome", where this shit constantly keeps on happening to Ripley just because there's somehow a sense that she's supposed to be there. No. Ugh. If Ripley does need to be a part of everything Alien, then this series really SHOULD have died a long time ago. And if this series is going to keep on going, then they absolutely need to move beyond Ripley. Surely there must be SOME worthwhile stories to be told that don't involve Ripley. Alien and Aliens provided a PERFECT story arc for Ripley. Then Alien 3 fucked that up. And sure, Alien 3 fucked that up, but at least has the balls to close the series and wrap everything up. But then they had to fucking BRING RIPLEY BACK FROM THE DEAD. Seriously, she's DEAD. Move the fuck on! Yeah, Alien1/2/3 WERE about Ripley, and Alien 4 tried to force Ripley where she had no fucking place being. But Ripley needs to go away once and for all if this series has any chance of surviving. Those movies WERE about Ripley, sure. But is it that hard to come up with a compelling story involving Aliens that is about SOMEONE ELSE? Her story arc should be done, so move on or let the series die.
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I think that is the one direction that Scott needs to be taking. Making Aliens scary again. I have no idea what he's planning for this movie, but I think the one single thing he needs to do is find a way to make the Aliens scary again. As much as I love Aliens, Aliens just wasn't SCARY. And none of the Alien movies have been scary ever since. I think one of the worst thing to gradually happen to the Aliens is that they got progressively less scary to the point that I (and I think many other people) hard a hard time giving a shit. Furthermore, since this is a prequel to Alien, it should have some kind of atmospheric and stylistic comparison to Alien (moreso than the movies that came afterwards). This needs to get back to roots and make the Aliens SCARY again, because I think that is one of the biggest reasons why it's gotten progressively harder for anyone to make a worthwhile Alien movie.
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Yep, I agree. If anyone can do it, it's Scott.
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what you're saying about killing Newt and Hicks is something that I ALMOST agree with. But I still have to disagree. I think I see what you're getting at. How at every stage of her life, the Aliens have taken everything from her. A sort of notion that she's only allowed to live in order to suffer, and she's only allowed to triumph in order to have everything taken away. Having Ripley awaken from hypersleep to find that Newt and Hicks were killed, and that she is host to a queen, and that Aliens managed to survive is a flawed-but-interesting comparison to what happens to her at the beginning of Alien. Where we think she had triumphed, but we find out otherwise. She awoke in a world that she doesn't recognize, the Alien in a sense took her daughter away from her, she's constantly plagued by horrible nightmares, and even her career is in ruins. In a way, it's actually sort of doing a similar thing that Cameron did to her in Aliens. I certainly UNDERSTAND that, and in a way it's almost poetic, that the Aliens will not die until Ripley does. It has sort of a tragic sort of mythological quality to it, and I accept that. As much as I would have preferred to see Ripley, Newt, and Hicks kicking ass on an Earth overrun with Aliens, it works. Not what I WANTED to see, but I do think that it IS a fitting end. The key word being "end". Ripley (or a facsimile of Ripley) never should have been brought back in Alien 4, and I hate Alien 4 all the more because of that. But my problem with Alien 3 and the killing of Newt and Hicks is that it barely seemed to matter to Ripley. I think that the ugly dirty whole pathetic nature of everyone and everything in the movie is supposed to be a reflection of the ugliness of the situation that Ripley has been placed in. I recognize that Ripley has to try to keep up an illusion of strength not only to keep her sanity but also to avoid getting preyed upon by rapists and murderers who haven't seen a woman in years. But...she just generally seemed so cold and robotic. Emotionally detached. For a large part of the picture, she just sort of sulked and moped around, barely registering as being significantly more important than the scumbags she was hanging around with. I APPRECIATE Alien 3, and I actually sort of LIKE it. But whatever the intent was, SOMETHING got lost. And I think it's an element of humanity. I think that the THEMES of Alien 3 were solid. But Ripley's portrayal as a character just sort of suffered immensely. For the first time, I simply had a hard time relating to her. I should have FELT Ripley's pain when she found out that Newt and Hicks died. But I didn't. As someone above said, it didn't seem to affect Ripley herself all that badly either. So why should I care when all I'm doing is watching a movie. As someone else also said, it was a HORRIBLE decision to give shave everyone's heads and make them look the same. That hurts characterization immensely. Because if there was a chance I would've cared about the characters, it becomes really hard when I'm trying to tell who is who and who it is that just got killed. But yeah, I do not HATE Alien 3. I actually LIKE it and I APPRECIATE a lot of what's in the movie. But it just plain doesn't come together in a satisfactory way. Appreciate it or not, it's highly flawed and it's got serious problems. Which ultimately makes it a big letdown, compared to the first two movies.
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COME ON!!! Alien in 3D! Best news ever!! Bugger a new Star Wars trilogy in 3D... The universe needs a couple of new Alien movies in 3D. The first one directed by Ridley Scott, then the second one directed by James Cameron... juicey squirting fanny slapper splurt splurt aarrrgh bumps all in 3D sterioscopic funbags.
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I'd pay 50 bucks a ticket for that movie.
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"Careful Burke..." *SLAP!* "Looks like love at first sight to me." or that ENTIRE scene when Ripley and Newt were locked in the medlab? that wasn't scary? Really?
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no fucking prequel. Not ever. Survival Horror cyberpunk sequel.Listen, Ridley- it's easy. This is how you do it: Set it on Earth 50 years after the Auriga crashes. Aliens now run havoc in a blasted landscape. Group of survivors are looking for Ripley as some kind of messainic heroine figure. Use the Wizard of Oz as your template. Film ends with the curtain being taken back and what they think is ripley is the distress call form the nostromo being played on an endless loop by a fucked up computer. Hire Neil Marshall to direct. The fucking thing writes itself. Pay me and continental op in high class hookers, 2% of the gross and enough cocaine to kill Oasis, and we'll do it for you.
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listen to you bitches- it's always the fucking same arguments: "Waaaaah, they killed Hicks and Newt" or "How did the egg get on the ship" Fuck's sake. It's a good film. It isn't a patch on the first one (which it's most trying to be), or the second one, but is far better than everything that followed it. Alien 4 is 2/3 of a good film and nobs it completely in the last third. AvP is an atrocity, but it looks like Alien compared to AvP:Rectum which is, quite simply, one of the worst films ever made.
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and if it is then why exactly is it an atrocity? because it isnt like the movie u had in your heads all these years? get real.
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Oct 30, 2009 5:15:10 AM CDT
Brad Douriff was the best part of Alien Ressurection
by zombieheathledger
When he kissed the glass that held back the aliens? priceless. I have expected the aliens to turn towards each other and shake their heads like ¨what the fuck is up with THAT weirdo? That said, the whole basketball scene between Weaver and Ron Perlman so fucking stoopid.
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1)"The enemy of my enemy" motif that they rely on all the way through it is both cliched and moronic. It's hackneyed nonsense of the highest order and to even have them repeat it 5 fucking times is hackery. It's also illogical- there's no rational reason to decide to go with the predators- she just decides to. 2)30foot high Alien queen. 3)Love story between human and predator 4)Crappy puzzle box pyramid thing 5)Shit cliched paper thin characters and awful dialogue- to whit Ewen Bremner even breaks out a photo of his FUCKING KIDS and talks about them. That doesn't make me give a shit about you, you cunt, all it does is tell me that you're dead flesh. 6)PG-13 Alien. That's a disgrace. Alien is one of the benchmarks of horror. It is not for fucking children. 7)Waste of Lance Henriksson in a doomed grab for credibility and to link it to the superior films. 8)Predalien Do you want me to continue? I can. By the way I never wanted an AvP film at all- I knew it would be fanboi wanking from the start.
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It is, however, vastly better than AvP:Rectum because there were no pizza boys in it and I can at least see what is going on.
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I think he hits the nail on the head when he said that the problem with Alien Resurrection was the campy Euro-approach. Watching it, I just felt that Jeunet had NO IDEA about what notes he was trying to hit tonally. Whereas Alien 3, for all the haters, played very powerfully in the cinema when I saw it on its opening night: a lot of fans hoping for more Aliens gung-ho fun were given a slow(ish) film about death and loss - and the audience TOTALLY embraced it. ALIEN RESURRECTION, on the other hand, just didn't seem to know what it was doing. And that has to be down to Jeunet, because many people have said here and elsewhere that the script was great. Full disclosure - I utterly loathe Amelie too (a cheesy idiot's idea of what is 'French'), but I love Delicatessen.
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The Predalien in REQUIEM... Christ... I mean... fuck. People actually get PAID to write this shit.
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Agree. I hate that shit.
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The gestation time for the Alien going down to impregnation + 20 minutes to chestburster + 5 minutes to fully grown alien. Fucking hate it.
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You know, I find it very interesting that you should say that.
Here's the thing - right now I'm writing a movie, where the main character's baby dies between act 2 and 3. People have been giving it the same critizism that you're giving Alien 3, and I eventually had to take it to a professional psychologist to have the screenplay looked at just to make sure. I even did that just this week.
What she told me is that when a person suffers a trauma, and to Ripley both the events of Aliens and then finding out Hicks and Newt are dead through some freak accident, the natural thing to do is to dissociate. You shut off your emotions and try to go back to every day life as if nothing happens. It's a perfectly natural reaction that Ripley has in Alien 3. More natural probably, than in Aliens.
Maybe the problem with Alien 3 is that the film never digs into that, or pays attention to the way she feels, or tries to explain it? You know, it's just when she's about to open up and let some emotions in, when the doctor and she starts getting close that he dies and she suffers another trauma.
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1)"The enemy of my enemy" motif that they rely on all the way through it is both cliched and moronic. It's hackneyed nonsense of the highest order and to even have them repeat it 5 fucking times is hackery. It's also illogical- there's no rational reason to decide to go with the predators- she just decides to.
u say cliche,i say archetypal since it represents one of the most common truths about the human race,seen throughout its history: in the presence of a common danger (or a mutual benefit) alliances are made even between the deadliest of enemies.
since predators and aliens are first and foremost killing machines,i dont know what alternate reason could someone use for a human and a predator to become allies (notice: not friends,not allies).should they play chess and talk about their commons interests and hobbies,and then decide to go and kill the aliens? u tell me.
ofc u could argue that the director could follow the other route: each one to himself,and the winner is the one who stays alive or maybe they die all at the end.
yes he could follow that route,but deciding to follow the one in the movie,does not make it less good.you just dont agree with it,which guides us to what i have said already: the movie is not like the story u have in your head.
and why the protagonist decides to join the predator? its called instinct of survival.
2)30foot high Alien queen.
and why a 30foot alien queen is exactly wrong? give me the specific reason why the height of the queen makes it a flaw in the movie.
because it is not identical to the height of the queen in alien2? well than its a fanboy problem,not an artistic problem inside the movie.and u know whats the irony? neither cameron's aliens were identical to the alien from the original movie,neither in their appearance,neither in their movements and in their way of thinking and acting.
imho i found the tall alien queen in avp,a bit more threatening and menacing because of its height.but thats just my opinion,nothing to do with fanboyism.
3)Love story between human and predator
i didnt see any love story.where did u see it? please provide the specific scenes depicting exactly that: LOVE
4)Crappy puzzle box pyramid thing
mmm someone might say it adds to the suspense of the movie,and that from the predators point of view,it is logical to have their christening ritual a bit more challenging.but personally i agree with you,the pyramid thing was unnecessary.
5)Shit cliched paper thin characters and awful dialogue- to whit Ewen Bremner even breaks out a photo of his FUCKING KIDS and talks about them. That doesn't make me give a shit about you, you cunt, all it does is tell me that you're dead flesh.
u know Ripley and her dead daughter was the core drama from aliens.so why is it a problem for avp to show a bit of depth in one of their characters,using the family element? because the characters were cannon fodder? but
6)PG-13 Alien. That's a disgrace. Alien is one of the benchmarks of horror. It is not for fucking children.
u know there have been 30 years since the first alien,and its a fact that since the age rating has become less strict.i am pretty sure that nowadays it wont be considered as r-rated.so i dont see exactly how the movie suffered from being pg13.in fact i would like to explain to me with specific reasons why the pg13 rating hurt the artistic value of the movie.
tip: u should mention predator,instead of alien.that movie was,is and will be always r-rated,and yes the r-rated does have a strong connection with the nature of the predator.
7)Waste of Lance Henriksson in a doomed grab for credibility and to link it to the superior films.
waste? why waste? he is generally regarded the best thing in avp,and his scene with the pencil,is considered one of the cleverest ideas to link him with bishop and strong point of crossover between the 2 universes.and he did die heroically at the end.
8)Predalien
and the predalien is wrong because?
u do know that he had one shot an the end of the movie,and that mainly as a bonus for the fans.and its something very well known and beloved in the extended crossover universe for years now.but i repeat: exactly why it was a flaw in the movie?
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1)"The enemy of my enemy" motif that they rely on all the way through it is both cliched and moronic. It's hackneyed nonsense of the highest order and to even have them repeat it 5 fucking times is hackery. It's also illogical- there's no rational reason to decide to go with the predators- she just decides to.
u say cliche,i say archetypal since it represents one of the most common truths about the human race,seen throughout its history: in the presence of a common danger (or a mutual benefit) alliances are made even between the deadliest of enemies.
since predators and aliens are first and foremost killing machines,i dont know what alternate reason could someone use for a human and a predator to become allies (notice: not friends,not allies).should they play chess and talk about their commons interests and hobbies,and then decide to go and kill the aliens? u tell me.
ofc u could argue that the director could follow the other route: each one to himself,and the winner is the one who stays alive or maybe they die all at the end.
yes he could follow that route,but deciding to follow the one in the movie,does not make it less good.you just dont agree with it,which guides us to what i have said already: the movie is not like the story u have in your head.
and why the protagonist decides to join the predator? its called instinct of survival.
2)30foot high Alien queen.
and why a 30foot alien queen is exactly wrong? give me the specific reason why the height of the queen makes it a flaw in the movie.
because it is not identical to the height of the queen in alien2? well than its a fanboy problem,not an artistic problem inside the movie.and u know whats the irony? neither cameron's aliens were identical to the alien from the original movie,neither in their appearance,neither in their movements and in their way of thinking and acting.
imho i found the tall alien queen in avp,a bit more threatening and menacing because of its height.but thats just my opinion,nothing to do with fanboyism.
3)Love story between human and predator
i didnt see any love story.where did u see it? please provide the specific scenes depicting exactly that: LOVE
4)Crappy puzzle box pyramid thing
mmm someone might say it adds to the suspense of the movie,and that from the predators point of view,it is logical to have their christening ritual a bit more challenging.but personally i agree with you,the pyramid thing was unnecessary.
5)Shit cliched paper thin characters and awful dialogue- to whit Ewen Bremner even breaks out a photo of his FUCKING KIDS and talks about them. That doesn't make me give a shit about you, you cunt, all it does is tell me that you're dead flesh.
u know Ripley and her dead daughter was the core drama from aliens.so why is it a problem for avp to show a bit of depth in one of their characters,using the family element? because the characters were cannon fodder? but
6)PG-13 Alien. That's a disgrace. Alien is one of the benchmarks of horror. It is not for fucking children.
u know there have been 30 years since the first alien,and its a fact that since the age rating has become less strict.i am pretty sure that nowadays it wont be considered as r-rated.so i dont see exactly how the movie suffered from being pg13.in fact i would like to explain to me with specific reasons why the pg13 rating hurt the artistic value of the movie.
tip: u should mention predator,instead of alien.that movie was,is and will be always r-rated,and yes the r-rated does have a strong connection with the nature of the predator.
7)Waste of Lance Henriksson in a doomed grab for credibility and to link it to the superior films.
waste? why waste? he is generally regarded the best thing in avp,and his scene with the pencil,is considered one of the cleverest ideas to link him with bishop and strong point of crossover between the 2 universes.and he did die heroically at the end.
8)Predalien
and the predalien is wrong because?
u do know that he had one shot an the end of the movie,and that mainly as a bonus for the fans.and its something very well known and beloved in the extended crossover universe for years now.but i repeat: exactly why it was a flaw in the movie?
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9) Super Matrix Bullet Time Slo-Mo Action when the face hugger jumps from the egg dates the film mid air.
10)Aliens On Earth. Every thing we have learnt from four Alien films, every sacrifice Ripley ever made because she knew that if one of those queens got down to Earth it would wipe out our species is pretty much for nothing if Aliens had already been to Earth several times without any major harm done.
11)Predators in the North Pole.
12)Predators building pyramids.
13)Predators building pyramids in the North Pole with Aliens on Earth. I don't know what it is about Hollywood and linking pyramids with alien civilisations - maybe it's the whole scientology angle, who knows? Aliens didn't build pyramids on Earth and certainly not on the North Pole of all places to put them. At least Stargate used the Egyptian pyramids - something that exists that links the events of Stargate to The Real World and not some fantasy world.
14)The movie is about the action scenes, not the characters that are IN the action scenes. Even Alien Resurrection got that right.
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9) Super Matrix Bullet Time Slo-Mo Action when the face hugger jumps from the egg dates the film mid air.
I am sorry i dont remember that scene,so i cant comment on it.
10)Aliens On Earth. Every thing we have learnt from four Alien films, every sacrifice Ripley ever made because she knew that if one of those queens got down to Earth it would wipe out our species is pretty much for nothing if Aliens had already been to Earth several times without any major harm done.
i completely agree with that.i wont defend it,but the fact is that the movie has took a lot of ideas from the avp comics (which were responsible for the whole avp crossover universe from the start) and one of them is that alien queens were already on earth,before ripley.
11)Predators in the North Pole.
Again that idea has been used in the avp comics.but u must admit that from the movie's point of view,the setting of north pole is logical: its the most remote place on earth,so the predators can do their ritual without being disturbed,the aliens are somehow restrained even if they manage to escape,and the cold provides a bit
of a challenge for the young predator who prefer warm places.
12)Predators building pyramids.
I dont remember exactly,but werent the pyramids built by the ancient humans,as temples of worship for them? btw the pyramid thing,is also an idea from the avp comics...
13)Predators building pyramids in the North Pole with Aliens on Earth. I don't know what it is about Hollywood and linking pyramids with alien civilisations - maybe it's the whole scientology angle, who knows? Aliens didn't build pyramids on Earth and certainly not on the North Pole of all places to put them. At least Stargate used the Egyptian pyramids - something that exists that links the events of Stargate to The Real World and not some fantasy world.
I agree with that,but the whole pyramid things has been seen in the avp comics first time.
14)The movie is about the action scenes, not the characters that are IN the action scenes. Even Alien Resurrection got that right.
The protagonists of the movie,were the aliens and the predators.The fans would go to the movie to see them kicking ass and nothing more.The human characters were secondary,especially when there was no Ripley among them
And one other thing:this argument conflicts a previous one of yours: that the director tried to give a bit of depth to his characters.....
15)Jar Jar Binks, the pod race (stolen from a norwegian stop motion film nonetheless), stale acting and Greedo shot first.
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1) You call it an archetype. It isn't the idea that's so bad, it's the fact that they clearly think the audience is fucking stupid so have to have the characters repeat it ad nauseum in slo-o-o-w voices to bang home that this is the important idea of the film 2)30ft High Queen Alien. She's much bigger in this film than Aliens. That isn't the real problem. The real problem is that she's so fucking big that she looks ridiculous and clumsy next to the Predator and lone survivor girl. 3)Love story is being facetious- all the gazing longingly at each other and mutual scarring. I know what they were aiming for: That she'd earned the respect of the predator. They just fucked it up, because she didn't particularly do anything except follow him around. 4)No arguments. It's a bad idea in a film full of bad ideas 5)The reason it's bad here as opposed to the example you gave is because it's again badly handled. It's as subtle as a sledgehammer- they're trying to say "look I'm a nice family guy, care about meeeeee" but they fuck it up by wheeling out a dreadful cliche- I'm surprised he didn't say "shit, I forgot to sign my life insurance papers, never mind, I'll do it when we get back" 6)Alien was 18 rated in the UK. Aliens was 18 rated in the UK. Alien 3 was 18 rated in the UK. Alien 4 was 18 rated in the UK. They frequently reclassify films here and they are all still 18. This is a series for adults. As soon as you make it PG13 you announce that it isn't a film- it's a marketing exercise. There is nothing in AvP that compares with the chestburster in the original Alien (and if you think that scene would be PG13 now, you must be nuts) or the Queen ripping bishop apart or even the clone room in Alien 4. It's neutered- and reversing this was the one thing that AvP:rectum got right.Tip: You should stop talking out of your arse, Alien is much darker, scarier and messier than Predator. 7)Lance Henriksson was the best thing in that syphilitic boil of a film. However, all he did was sleepwalk through it and the ONLY fucking reason he's in it at all is a doomed grab for credibility- calling him Mr. Weyland is a groan inducing moment for anyone that's seen the proper films. 8)Predalien is a bad idea. It's fanboy wanking and just abysmally handled. This is the first appearance of it. This is not even including the horrendous abuses of canon that takes place (gestation time/ Aliens on Earth etc).
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Looked and moved like the fucking T-Rex in Jurassic Park, complete with the useless little arms. Complete shit.
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was the Dark Horse Comics Aliens series. It is the story you wish that Alien 3 was. Pick it up if you can find a copy.
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Hell, I'm the kind of guy who enjoys Predator 2. But that AVP shit needs to go.
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Anyone who wants to know what the Whedon script for Ressurection was like just watch Serenity & Firefly. Whedon wont admit it ut he basically got pissed that they butchered his script and made slight tweaks and redid it his way.
Frank = Mal
Sabra = Hoban (note gender change)
Johner = Jane
Vries = Kaylee (gender change)
Christie = Zoe (gender change)
Call = Inara
Ripley = River
Gediman/DiStephano = Simon
St Just (only in script) = River (well the martial arts elements)
Wren/Book
Anyone who enjoyed Firefly would enjoy the original script. Characters that are given no real dialogue in A:R actually work on paper with plenty of snappy dialogue. St Just was a great character and he was totally written out.
I bought a copy years ago at a store speciallising in scripts.
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that was dreadful. How had I forgotten that? I'm astounded someone actually likes that shitfest. Apart from Harry http://www.aintitcool.com/node/18147
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9) Well, I'll give you a brief description. Egg opens, face hugger flies out, stops midair while the camera moves around it The Matrix style, then lands on someone's face.
10) Okay, I choose to answer this question in the voice of the comicbook guy from The Simpsons.
"ACTUALLY, the film Predator 2 was responsible for the whole AvP crossover universe from the start. The comic books just expanded on the idea."
But comic book tie-ins are like the Starwars EU. It's a separate canon, and the AVP movies will be grouped with the Alien movies and the Predator movies because Average Joe doesn't even know AVP comics exist.
But you know, more to the point - in adapting material you need to make choices of what might be a good idea to keep and what to reject. Not all AvP comics are about pyramids in the Arctic. Not all of them were about Alien Queens on Earth before Ripley. Some are actually good.
11)If the Predators need to not be disturbed, they don't have to come to Earth, which is a planet overpopulated by a civilization that monitor the sky. In Predator 1, the hunt was for humans. I buy that. But hunting aliens on Earth? Seriously, why would they do that?
12)Humans building pyramids on the North Pole thousands of years in worship of an alien race that hunt another alien race? I'm sorry, it doesn't sound remotely connected to anything that happens in the Alien or Predator canon. It sounds like something a 13-year-old would come up with. The Alien films deal with adult issues and are set in very adult worlds. There's no reason to not do that with AvP.
13)In that case, it should also have been the last time. Like Jaxxon, from the star wars comics.
14)No, people paying for a movie ticket does not go only to see aliens and predators kicking ass. Not even people paying to see a boxing match or even pro wrestling go only to see people kick ass. They go for the drama (aka conflict). That's why you build up characters around wrestlers and that's why you see boxers bad mouth eachother. It's all about drama, and drama is conflict between characters - not just the actual fight. Tension is needed. Storytelling.
As for "And one other thing:this argument conflicts a previous one of yours: that the director tried to give a bit of depth to his characters..... " well I don't know where I'm supposed to have said this. I think maybe you're confusing me with someone else.
But in either case, even if he tried he still didn't succeed so the outcome is the same. The action is what the movie focuses on.
15) The original title is Flåklypa Grand Prix, it's from 1975 and all about building and racing cars. I guess that's why it holds a special place with George Lucas. You'll find it on imdb here: http://tinyurl.com/2majhr
It's become somewhat of a cult classic in some circles and it's a great kids film. I know it's out on DVD in Scandinavia, but I'm not sure about the rest of the world. The Scandinavian version doesn't have English audio or subtitles either. But maybe you can find it on VHS or online somewhere. -
be set before the crew finds that alien ships with the alien hive in it. Like show some background on the aliens and then have them board the alien ship, crash land on that planet. show somes clips of the crew from the first finding it. have an awesome montage of the horror to come on the ship and then.............credits!
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I'm surprised, but you're at least making proper arguments. However, surely you can agree that there is NOTHING defendable about AvP:Rectum
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AvP and AvP:R were made for children, not adults.
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I fell asleep in it during an "action scene". My son woke me up 20 minutes later. I asked if I'd missed anything, he said "no" so I never bothered to catch-up on what I missed.
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For this whole prequels. Oh, let's see the foetus of Ripley. How about you just do something new, try and be a bit ballsy and bring in a new lead character or stick with Ripley being old. With technology, they can make Sigourney look young like they are doing with Tron 2 and the Dude. Still, just make a freakin' sequel and continue the story, disregarding parts 3 and 4.
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That was a good series, going to have to go find that TPB again.
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Could be a crew of scientists actually out there looking for aliens, like a future SETI. Bored out of there heads until they come across the phallic heads, then they're all excited and in awe until one bursts out from so female crew members cleavage. At the end the one survivng female crew member MUST be wearing panties ment for a pre-schooler, in homage to the original of course. Jodie Foster should play somebody in it. Also, Cameron should direct the sequel, Alien: Face Hug Harder!!
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Based on the first graphic novel.
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alien movie. The xenomorphs come to earth disguised as humans. that would make a very bloody film.
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Worst. Idea. Ever.
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By your command.
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"Hey, Larry, your head is looking a bit long-ish today." "HiiiiiSSSSSS!!!" "Jeez, okay, sorry. Just gimmie that report by 5 PM!" "HiiiiiSSSS!!!" "Alright, fuck, tomorrow morning. God, you're pissy today."
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Wasn't that Species, though?I can just picure a xenomorph walking around wearing a suit and tie, a wig, and a false nose. That'll fool those pesky humans all right!
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do you know what one of the (genuine) proposed ideas for Alien 3 by the producers was? The aliens would come to New York and fuse together into a giant Godzilla-like monster that threatened the city. No joke!!
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set in 1984...Michael Knight comes across an alien egg and takes it to Bonnie and Devon Miles to investigate...Face hugger breaks out impreginates Miles - chest burster scene....lots of killings etc
showdown with Knight and KITT vs the alien....lots of 'Michael Look out!' etc from KITT...The Hoff in ripped shirt and jeans...sweaty afro, 80s soundtracks -
Spitting Image did that in the 80s with Margaret Thatcher turning into an Alien.
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Only if the fans get a Kittalien.
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Scott saying it would take place around 30 years before the first movie would seem to rule out the Space Jockey Story. The derelict ship had obviously been there longer than 30 years, as fossilized as the Jock was. Besides, if it was the Space Jockey/derelict/LV426 story, there wouldn't even be human characters. Is there any way in Hell the studio would allow that? Don't think so. Besides, has anyone officially connected with this movie said anything about it being the Space Jockey story? I don't think that's ever been any more than speculation, so why don't we all just relax a bit until we really know what the story will be.
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Jesus... Stop the hurting...
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Ridley Scott will go back to calling the 'Company' Weylan (without a 'd') Yutani. Come to think of it, who decided to add the 'd'?And will we get to see Jones as a kitten?
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...Chris Cunningham, being as twisted as he is, must have gotten into some kind of depraved trouble--the kind of trouble that can be used to blackmail him into making Alien 5?
Imagine Chris Cunningham's visual chops coupled with art in the style of the now sadly deceased Zdzislaw Beksinski. Check out some of his work in this gallery:
http://tinyurl.com/5uq8xz
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Beksinski's artwork before and that kind of disturbing quality would most definitely be welcome in an Alien film.I'm not all that familiar with Cunningham.
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ok apart from the ripley alien hybrid baby thing (awful design)...the rest of it is fucking cool. The hate for it makes no sense. The franchise had hit boring and after the studio intervention which fucked Fincher..it was great to have an auteur have a go.
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Early on Brad Dourif's character refers to Alien 3's planet as "Fury 16". There's no excuse for such lazy fact checking and, for me, betrayed in Jeunet a total disregard for the property he inherited.It's a tiny detail, I know but there are bigger issues in the movie that wind me up. I'll be here all night if I start... So I won't.
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Sigourney won't try to muscle herself into this one like I've heard she did Resurrection(yes, Brad Dourif is the best part of that atrocity). Don't get me wrong though, I love Ripley, it's just that her story is over. I'm just praying there's no bookends with her reminiscing about it all...
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Wow. That's a dumb as fuck idea. But I'll bet you anything, they were working off of Cameron's hive lifestyle, and naturally started thinking of South African army ants. Don't get me wrong, that's a horrible idea for Aliens, but those army ants are FUCKING BADASS. No shit, dude, the stuff they do is just horrible and terrifying and 100% awesome. If they need to get across a river, they get together, lock their jaws together, and build a FUCKING BOAT made out of their OWN GODDAMN BODIES. The queen hops on board, they load they eggs onboard, then the whole colony (which has just Transformed into a fucking boat) sails right across the river and fucks up everything on the other side. Those ants are seriously some of the most badass animals I've ever heard about.
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There's nothing left to say in the 'Alien' series that I'd be interested in seeing. I'd much rather he developed a new bunch of characters and a new story set in the Bladerunner universe, and have it completely removed from the events of the first film. Maybe on one of the Offworld colonies.
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I hear a lot of criticisms about how it's stupid what Alien 3 did to the Aliens. That is, as far as making them run like dogs and introducing the idea of them taking on the attributes of their hosts. But while there is SOME small validity in this complaint, I'm willing to forgive Alien 3. Because Alien 3 really didn't change the Aliens all that much. Granted, Ripley says that this Alien is different, and that "it moves differently". But consider that by this point, the only previous Alien movies were Aliens and Alien. And among the two there is actually VERY LITTLE similarity between how the Aliens move. I'm serious. As far as how the Alien moves and acts, there is a FAR bigger discrepancy between Alien and Aliens than there is between Aliens and Alien 3. The Alien in Alien moved like a guy in a suit. Overly humanoid, standing tall and erect, and moving at the speed of a human. You want to look at where the REAL change happened, it happened in Cameron's Aliens. In Aliens, the Aliens were constantly hunched over, presumably as a means to make them look less bipedal and thus more animal in nature. That's just a guess for the reason, but that's certainly what the RESULT was. Aliens introduced the idea of the Aliens walking/running on ceilings on all four limbs. And Aliens was the movie that made the Aliens move superfast, as seen in the scene where Ripley and Hicks are in the elevator and an Alien-on-the-ceiling runs at them at lightning fast speed right as the elevator doors are closing. Alien 3 really DIDN'T fuck up the Alien that much. The A3 Alien lacked those unwieldy "chimneys" coming out of its back. But aside from that, it LOOKED like an Alien, and even went back to the smooth head (the grooved heads in Aliens were Cameron's idea, not Giger's and not Scott's). And it mostly DID move like the Aliens from Aliens. Any differences are MINOR compared to what Cameron did to Scott's Alien. A3 introduced the idea that Aliens are different if they come from different hosts. But the differences were very subtle. I can accept that. However, I cannot accept an Alien ever having dreadlocks and crab mandibles just because it came from a Predator. Also, looking at Alien 3, the Alien really DID move a hell of a lot just like the Aliens from Aliens. Any differences were mere SMALL variations from what we saw in Aliens. By contrast, try watching Alien and Aliens back-to-back. Do this, and the differences are FAR more significant and obvious. Again, I absolutely LOVE Aliens, but Aliens takes a huge part of the blame here. Sorry, but Cameron started this. The Alien in Alien 3 was MOSTLY just a mild variation of the Aliens that Cameron introduced in his movie. If you need to blame ANYONE for making the Alien 3 Alien run like a dog, then blame James Cameron. Because what he did in Aliens wasn't much different.
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Oct 31, 2009 1:48:10 AM CDT
No he has a point, they come disguised as humans...
by takingscorpioscalls
...then they all get jobs at McDonalds except they lay their eggs in all the milkshakes so when the unsuspecting fat fucks or poor people eat them it's all over.
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I've always thought that there is a valid story to be told in what happened to Newt before the Marines arrived. Granted, we already sort of know, but I'd rather see Newt's story rather than learn whether or not the Aliens are biological or artificial. You want your "Earth gets overrun" story, that already HAPPENED on LV-426, albeit on a much smaller scale. But the basic dynamics are the same. Thriving colony. People hopeful about the future. A safe environment, they even brought their damn kids. They are pioneers looking towards a better tomorrow. And then all of a sudden, the Alien epidemic comes out of fucking nowhere, and QUICKLY turns everything to shit. Now, I don't think that Newt's story is a story that NEEDS to be told. We can sort of fill in the gaps in our head. Though I rather prefer not to, because what happened was obviously the Scriest Shit Ever, and simply horrible. What must have happened is something that I think very few people actually want to SEE happen to a child. In the few weeks before Ripley and the Marines arrived, what happened must have been simply indescribable in terms of terror and sadness. But it's a small scale version of a massive Alien epidemic. Something that we've never properly seen, and that I think we SHOULD see eventually. If we HAVE to go the prequel route, I think that somewhere there is a very solid prequel to Aliens. A bridging of the huge gap between Alien and Aliens. If we really NEED to see what happened "before the shit that we saw", what I most want to see is the Colony on LV-426 getting completely overrun, from Newt's perspective.
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said that for her ripley is dead. I think her film acting career is over. she has done very little since snowcake. she did make pre avatar film. hasnt done much.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =hBSf6ooInJg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2 Ftrekm
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on Alien 3. in which they published vicent wards oroignal drawings for what he thought the movie was going to look like. his orignal idea was a religious one. but one that was nature based.monks living in tree tops. they see what looks like a comet and being spiritual. they think its a sign. a sign of hope. but its a a xenomorph. ripley becomes a messiah figure. even though these monsk are peaceful. ripley tecahes them to fight. that story went out the window. woods left the project. the only reminder of the woods alien film is the character called monk and the forrest like planet.
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Oct 31, 2009 6:20:12 AM CDT
Teddy Artery, They made a Bladerunner spin-off movie already
by thenorthlander
Set in one of the off world colonies. It's called SOLDIER.
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being a Blade Runner spin off?...
Theres a Spinner Car in the junk somewhere and Dr Whos son makes reference to Tanhauser Gate...might be something else as well
god what a POS it was though eh? i mean Jee-sus! i recall being quite hyped about it as it was written by the Blade Runner people and it was being promoted as a Blade Runner spin off - a 'side-quel' i believe is the term they used...plus Anderson had done Event Horizon and it wasnt too bad...i mean it looked kinda good at least...
turned out to be STDVD quality POS starring Russel as a retarded Rambo...
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There's probably info on wiki or imdb with more references to BR, but who really cares enough to check?
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some info about certain references to Blade Runner etc in Soldier
Todd's service record, displayed on a computer screen, includes the following: - The battles of Tannhauser Gate and Shoulder of Orion (references to Blade Runner (1982)) - Receipt of the "Plissken Medal" (reference to Escape from New York (1981) and its sequel Escape from L.A.). Receipt of the "O'Neil Ring Award" (reference to Stargate (1994)) - Receipt of the "Cash Medal of Honor" (reference to Tango and Cash (1989)) Receipt of the "Maccready Cross" (reference to The Thing (1982)) - Receipt of the "Capt Ron Trophy" (reference to Captain Ron (1992)) - Receipt of the "McCaffrey Fire Award" (reference to Backdraft (1991)) - Receipt of the "Dexter Riley Award" (reference to The Strongest Man in the World (1975), Now You See Him, Now You Don't (1972), The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1969)) - Citations for the Nibian Moons Campaign, the Antares Maelstrom War and the War Of Perdition's Flames, locations referred to in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982).
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i am not trying to persuade you that the movie is great,i am trying to make you judge it with fairness and logical criteria.
For instance u say that the queens height makes her look stupid,with small hands and all that.But i found that her ala t-rex chase was nicely done and had the effect its meant to have inside the movie.it worked for me.
And u know what,she didnt do many things in Aliens with her little hands,apart from lifting those rails.she mostly used her tail and her double mouth while fighting Ripley.Which works in the movie,because she fights in a very closed area,in fact the whole time she is in a narrow places.
BUT in AVP,she fights in a vast,open area,and she doesnt fight only a weak human female but also a bulky Predator.Which brings us the question: the queen's height,does it or does it not,play any importance in the 'atmosphere' of those scenes in avp?
it doesnt matter how u answer,ultimately all falls into someones personal taste and view of things,but at least u must admit that a detail like the queen's height is something that it must be indeed seen through the proper context.thats all from me.
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Sorry, but it's a barrel of wank. Watched it recently and it's even worse than I'd remembered.
Starts from a bad place and goes downhill from there.
How on earth are there facehuggers aboard the Sulaco? Where does the egg come from we see jammed up against the ceiling in the opening credits? Who the fuck put it there?
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" the only reminder of the woods alien film is the character called monk and the forrest like planet."
I don't remember any forest-like planet.
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the father of the cyberpunk genre? btw when the fuck are they going to make a Neuromancer movie?
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"As far as how the Alien moves and acts, there is a FAR bigger discrepancy between Alien and Aliens than there is between Aliens and Alien 3."
Yeah, it's a really good point. You're quite correct. And they look significantly different as well: Scott's alien is more weighty, smooth, grey and shiny. Cameron's aliens are browner, with ribbing on the head, and are somewhat more spindly.
I think this is part of a general psychological phenomenon of accepting what you're given as an introduction to the world. Many of us came of age when Aliens came out, and although we saw Alien, had seen it beforehand (I'd seen it a couple of times), Aliens was really our first major xenomorph girlfriend, and we just accepted what she said. Also, Aliens came out just as the sell-through VHS market was beginning to develop. It seems hard to remember now, but in the first half of the 80s, there were very few movies you could buy your own copy of so that you could watch them whenever you wanted. If you wanted a permanent copy of a movie, you taped it off the TV. Only by the mid-to-late 80s had it become easy to just stroll into a store and buy yourself a copy of a movie. This means that by the time Aliens came out, very few people had seen Alien more than a small handful of times. This meant they wouldn't have had the chance to emblazon its images on their retina, memorize everything, know it back-to-front. That made it easier for Aliens to get away with more changes.
To a lesser extent, something similar happened with The Terminator: T2 was the "first real girlfriend" for many people in that franchise, and so its world of "no fate" and changeable futures was broadly accepted, even though it sits at odds with The Terminator's single timeline, deterministic time loop story. (But let's not start that debate again, hee hee.) -
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He'll have some explaining to do since he has stated that the current design is no longer scary.
Here is an extract from scifi.co.uk "So, given H R Giger's bitter experiences of working with Fox, what does this mean for the next film in the Alien series? When Ridley Scott was asked about Alien 5, he said in an interview that the first thing they would have to do is redesign the alien creature, which over the years, particularly in the Alien vs Predators films, has lost much of what made it frightening. Scott added that to redesign the creature, he would like to work with H R Giger again."
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Just a thought, but since it is a prequel to Alien, does that mean it has to follow the same logic and story as the sequels? If not, then the story of how the eggs got on that ship with the space jockey would make the most sense... and why would humans be involved in that story arc?
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...They would have to have been on a secret mission, or all been killed to explain why nobody had heard of this first contact event. But if this is the case, why even make it a prequel? Why not a sequel? After all, most of the universe is kept in the dark about the exsistence of these xenomorphs so it needn't be set before the events of alien for this crew not to know what they are dealing with.
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That could be a possibility... How ironic would it be that the derelict was actually ON its way to Earth for colonizaton, and crash landed en route only to be discovered by humans in the future?
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The thing about the opening credit sequence is that it's passed off by Ripley's "it was just a terrible dream in hypersleep" line. Then we learn that it wasn't a dream after all. Which means the Queen did manage to punch out another egg, but certainly not near the hypersleep capsules. But considering a facehugger jumps on the dog, that means there were two eggs.So the Queen laid two eggs in the forward landing gear (Aliens) and the opening credit sequence (Alien³) is still a dream? I'm not having eggs in the landing gear, no way.When Ripley asks Bishop if there was an Alien on board and he replies "Yes. It was with us all the way..." Does he mean the EEV or the Sulaco? That too has always puzzled me.
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Maybe space jockey race had been abducting humans in secret for years, and story is about humans aboard their alien craft escaping after xenomorphs kill their jockey captors
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What's interesting is that in the whole series, the derelict on LV-426 was never fully explored. Team walks in gets face-huggered and leaves. Maybe some potential there.
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about 2 things i would like to reply,in your previous arguments:
1.There is a small difference between UK's BBFC and USA'S MPAA.MPAA is a lot less sensitive about violence in a movie,but a lot more strict with the sex and even nudity depiction in a film.Its not very safe to bring their labeling as a good example.Besides british are a bit puritans :P
2.Comic book guy from simpsons is wrong.Dark horse's AvP comic was released in 1989,while the Predator2 movie was released in 1990.The alien skull in P2 is a nod to the comic for the fans. -
"So the Queen laid two eggs in the forward landing gear"
Pretty impressive, considering she ripped herself free from her egg sac and ovipositors deep in the bowels of LV-426. She can't lay eggs without those. -
which brings us back to the opening credits - and she got nowhere near the cryosleep tubes.That means an Alien sneaked aboard the remote-controlled dropship with an egg under each arm, waited for all the kerfuffle to die down and planted them on the Sulaco. No? No, me neither.The only clue is after the end credits of Aliens; you can hear the skittering sound of a facehugger. Did Cameron do that as a joke or was there a reason?
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This was already done somewhat, at least in comic form. Dark Horse released a one-shot called Newt's Tale sometime after Alien 3. It detailed how the colony was infected,how Newt's mother, father and brother were killed, and how the colonists made their last stand against the aliens in D Block. Not a bad comic but it did cheat a little with the story - it skipped around some of the details of how exactly the aliens started capturing colonists and the progression of the infestation.
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buy the fuking rights and give us the PROPER Terminator Future War film we all wanted T4 to be - 2029, blue night battles, plasma guns, end of the war, time travel of The Terminators and Reese going back....basically using his disguarded T2 end of war/time chamber intro - and stretching it out to 2 and 1/2 hours
yknow - the T3 that shouldve made in 1995 or 96 with Cameron directing Arnie & Biehn and whoever as J Conner (plus Hamilton and Furlong cameo)....instead of the Terminator 2 3D ride
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I think they had some of those scenes in the deleted scenes portion of the quadrilogy... Newt's parents found the derelict, dad got face-huggered, taken back to colony, fun begins
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Just a bit of black humor, really. It certainly wasn't an indication that there were facehuggers aboard the Sulaco.Wait, I've got it. Bishop had a bit of malicious script in his system, put there by Burke. He temporarily bypassed his usual programming and, in the drop ship, flew to the jockey ship and took an alien egg, which he then transported up to the Sulaco, while Ripley was in the atmosphere processing station. He then came back down to hover and wait for her. All that within 20 minutes (or however long it was)! It's the only plausible explanation!
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was a queen alien in disguise... uh yeah I'd buy that for a dollar
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how fucking cool would that have been?? - like Predator 2 - only with The Shat instead of Glover, Zemd instead of Paxton and Locklear instead of the hispanic woman.....
someone shud do a UTUBE mashup for the trailer to that..holy fuck
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lotta potential there... PREDAHOOKER
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I'm having that explanation. Bloody androids - sorry, artificial persons - can't trust a one of 'em.
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howabout oh i dont know make something new and revolutionary the way alien was in 79?
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Story would be something like Predators comes to earth to hunt Aliens in 1980s LA...thinking its gonna be cool and all huntin Aliens..but they didnt figure on one thing....
Hooker
cool shit follows like we see Hooker take down a Predator with one of those black bar things...pumps a load into an Alien...Romano gets killed by an Predator and Hooker swears vengence...Locklear has sex scene like at start of Predator 2 - basically P2 except with TJ and Co
ends with Hooker hanging on to the hood of a Predator Ship as it launches into space...
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I've always viewed it as being like an automatic pistol--full clip plus one in the chamber. That is, when separated from the oviposter, the alien queen always has one egg (always a queen embryo) within her body for "emergency procreation". It's also not entirely impossible that the aliens, like certain Terran animals, can change sex when in an environment which prompts it. This would explain how an alien warrior could produce a single egg (no doubt a queen) while in the bowels of the Nostromo, thus retaining the deleted scene with Dallas as part of the canon.
Or maybe not. It works for me. -
...makes AvP look like The Empire Strikes Back.
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I can go with that. But still...A fugger on Ripley, a fugger on the dog. Two eggs...Blimey, I didn't think we'd still be talking about Alien³ this long after its grim release. It must've done something right.
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Why is continuity generally given such little fucking priority in Hollywood? It just amazes me that people can greenlight multi-multi-million dollar sequels to films that have an established fanbase who have bought into the original story/ies and know them inside out, and then think they can get away with retcon bullshit.
I mean, at one extreme, you have the jaw-dropping, amazing retcons of the Highlander 2 variety - just fucking staggering - and then you have the Alien 3 types, the lazy, casual abuse of the existing story and characters. It's as though they're assuming that none of the people who watched the first film(s) will be turning up to see the new one, or will be too stupid to care. -
...who treats Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection as non-canonical? I think that as fans of a particular IP, we have the right to reject certain films as being essentially high budget fan fiction. Highlander 2 is *clearly* non-canonical - it's just lunatic madness. And I treat the story of Alien as being finished at the end of Aliens, when Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop return to earth. It simply doesn't make sense that they were killed in their tubes/ended up on Fiorina, therefore, well, they didn't.
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Actually, I thought it was the same facehugger on the dog that was on Ripley. Doesn't make much sense considering we never saw that happen before (usually they drop off and die), but if you recall, the ones in the jars in the lab in Aliens had been removed from impregnated colonists, so technically they could impregnate more than one host (hence the fugger chasing Rip & Newt).
Maybe?
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how you view a sequel, whether you accept it as canon or not. I kind of accept Alien³ now (but didn't for a long time) - Resurrection I have nothing but contempt for.The thing with Newt & Hicks is not that they were killed; it's how it was done. Off-screen, in the credits. You don't do that with established characters. Would it not have been better to have, I dunno, Hicks being killed protecting Newt halfway into the movie & maybe Newt along with him. I think that would've been a bigger jolt.In a way, Fincher tried to override Aliens and make a sequel to Alien. I'm fairly sure it's why, at the end of Alien³, he uses the "last surviving member of the Nostromo" transmission, like it's coming from the EEV. Surreal moment, that...
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Yeh, you have a point there. I'd forgotten about the fuggers in the tubes.But still...If it was a Queeny fugger, how come the dog didn't punch out a QueenDoggy?
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"In a way, Fincher tried to override Aliens and make a sequel to Alien."
Yeah, interesting analysis. Has the ring of plausibility. Or, at least, SOMEONE wanted to do that...not sure how much of a hand Fincher had in the script? -
...the queenie had already been laid in Ripley... ;)
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No, that's true, I don't think he had much input. I don't know. It just feels to me, and looking at Fincher's other work, that he would be more affected by Alien and want to honour that story.Sounds like Weaver had a lot of say in the end product as well...I'm still hoping Fincher will tackle Rendezvous With Rama.
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you win!But still...Joking. No more "but stills". Unless I think of one in a minute.
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Interesting reading...me likey. And ThereWolf, I'm right there with you on "Rendezvous with Rama." "The Mote in God's Eye" anyone? "Lucifer's Hammer?"
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hehe that's kinda funny. =)
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...not to mention Ripley clone keeping memories and the implanted Alien - if it serves the new context and environment better to change the alien design (I'm talking about subtle changes like the ones Cameron did) then you have to agree it's a good thing.
Like Kaitain said, if Cameron's aliens are more spindly it's most likely he's playing off man's inherit fears of spiders. Almost all great horror films do this. From Nosferatu to Sadako.
As for the Alien 3 eggs, WHO CARES?
The premise of the film is that they are there, and that's what's important. Hating the movie because of that is like hating The Dark Knight because Maggie Gyllenhaal plays Rachel all of a sudden instead of Katie holmes so she looks different or because Gotham City looks different from Batman Begins.
You can't nitpick something like that, you sometimes need to suspend your disbelief and not overthink so much.
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but his favorite movie is really Fast and Furious.
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I do like Alien³, but Fast and Furious is a movie about you and your boyfriend taking turns 'riding' each other!
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exactly why ARE people so afraid of spiders? I've really never understood it. I mean, I can understand SNAKES, because snakes absolutely will fuck your shit up. But go ask any random person what they are MORE afraid of, snakes or spiders. I guarantee you that 90% of people will say "I don't LIKE snakes, but I'm not afraid of them or anything. What really scares me are spiders." And that's always boggled my mind. Why are people so afraid of spiders? Most of them can't do shit to you. Even the "big" ones are actually usually no bigger than a freaking mouse. And even the "dangerous" ones pale in comparison to the freaking SNAKES that live in the same places. I don't know, it just seems weird to me. Sure, this probably stems from some kind of instinct from an earlier time. As in, people are afraid of spiders because spiders actually used to be a bigger threat early in our evolutionary history. But if that's the case, why DON'T people have the same fear of snakes? Why is it that when you hand a snake to a toddler, that the toddler will probably play with the snake rather than cower in some kind of instinctive fear? In our early history, wouldn't snakes have been MORE of a threat than spiders? Hell, even today, there are snakes that can in rare cases potentially SWALLOW a small human. Combine that with the fact that most venomous snakes are MUCH more deadly than even the worst spiders. So why hasn't THAT become a kind of instinctive fear? Kids aren't inherently afraid of snakes, they have to learn that stuff. So why is EVERYONE from all corners of the globe so damn afraid of SPIDERS?
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Who knows? Spiders are everywhere, but snakes only live in certain places and certain conditions so a lot of people don't have personal experience with them. I've never seen a live snake except at the zoo.
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from the extras from the dvd special edition of Predator,which i purchased several years ago.they had interviews from the Dark Horse creators.
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check this giant spider which eats a bird:
http://tinyurl.com/5ulvh5
more info about this genus here:
http://tinyurl.com/3c43ww
i dont know about you,but i prefer an animal with no legs,than an animal with 8 legs. -
I read somewhere that the average person swallows up to 16 spiders in their lifetime while sleeping... that is some fucked up shit
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You think that's fucked up? How do you think the spiders feel?
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unlike fly's. i hate those guys.
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thats a fact
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Someone posted above, and I also posted before, that the queen had "one in the chamber", which I totally buy. she's a Queen, she's an alien, and we don't know their philology. But, if you simply can't buy that, the drop ship was on LV-426 / Hadley's Hope for a while. The place was crawling with bugs. Something, especially an egg maybe dropped off by a drone, could have gotten on the dropship. It certainly wasn't on the Sulaco, but it got there from the dropship.
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Alien³ now. I'm happy to suspend my imagination and embrace the notion of Queenie popping one out in the landing gear of the dropship.But for me it's a slapdash approach, just writing an egg in there and expecting us not to question how it got there.Bishop's "It was with us all the way" line is suitably mysterious and provoking but ultimately lazy as an explanation.I don't hate Alien³. There's good stuff in there but as a whole it's a disappointment.
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if he hadnt gone in with his impassioned AvP pitch (check the dvd extras) about the Mayans worshipping Predators and long lost pyramids and Aliens always having been on earth i kinda doubt FOX wouldve bothered with AvP (or the sequel).... theyd have slowly developed Cameron and Scotts Alien 5....
the desire for an AvP wasnt really there anymore by 2004 anyway- that ship had kinda sailed in the late 90s - itd have been good to have done it INSTEAD of A4 in 97 but there was like 'uh? wtf are they bothering now' vibe in 04....
PWSA shouldve just stuck to his Res Evils instead of fucking up both franchises
still looks like we now getting that Alien 5 (although without Camerons involment - wonder what that was gonna be? prequel or sequel? - probably sequel) and a nice Predator 3
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here on this board. I've always thought that having the aliens spreading across the Earth kinda like the early Dark Horse Aliens comics would be the most logical step instead of Alien 3 and Resurrection. I've always dreamt of some space truckers or Company scientists coming across a dead Jockey ship in space. It would make for a nice and suspenseful zero gravity exploration and face hugger sequence.Honestly though, I think the most interesting way to tackle an alien sequel would be to do a pseudo-doc style film not unlike the book World War Z, except take it to the interstellar level. Aliens have spread to Earth and many of humanity's extra solar colonies. Maybe start the film after the "xenomorph wars" have ended, kinda like World War Z did. I think this could be very scary and action packed, thus giving us the all the horror/sci-fi/action fix that Alien and Aliens did.There could also be some investigative aspects into the Company (Weyland Yutani), and how their hubris brought the xenomorph problem to humanity's shores. And of course, there would be plenty of opportunity for some hard core Colonial Marine action. Maybe have a future android journalist embedded with some Colonial Marines on a "bug burn" (a mission where they go in and burn out the remaining aliens after the colony world has been nuked from orbit). Or just have a full on siege of swarms of aliens nearly overwhelming a bunch of marines. Could be really epic and totally different from the other films. There could even be a cameo from Sigourney. Maybe have Ripley being interviewed by a journalist?Also thought I'd throw this out there - the guy that Ridley is having write the Alien prequel, Jon Spaihts, has one of his early scripts, a pretty darn good sci-fi/aciton script called Shadow 19, available for download at a site called Scriptshadow.http://tiny.cc/Wjp0MI highly recommend it for any Alien fans. Once you read it you'll see why this guy is a good pick for an Alien flick.
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desire for avp in 2004,since the movie was a hit.and u know what,i think that if Paul's avp movie was a b.o. failure,we wouldnt have the new predator3 and alien5 movies greenlighted now.the same case with the freddy vs jason movie.
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