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Updated! Here Comes AVATAR! Hard Sell Begins With New, Action-Filled Theatrical Trailer!
Beaks here...
To hell with the muted, awestruck tone of the teaser. Fox is preparing to go live with a new theatrical trailer for AVATAR, and it is all about the sound and fury. This is the spot that's supposed to sell the uninitiated on James Cameron's IMAX 3D "game-changer". It's also the one you either saw in theaters this week or via an unwatchable bootleg on YouTube.
It will debut on Apple's movie trailers page Yahoo! Movies - in glorious Quicktime HD - tomorrow. For now, it is available in serviceable TrailerAddict HD. Have at.
Love that shot of badass Stephen Lang (as Colonel Quaritch) calmly knocking back a cup of joe as all hell breaks loose around him. I have a feeling he's going to be my favorite thing in this movie.
As for the storytelling, it looks like Cameron is going to be as direct with his message as he was in T2. I wasn't expecting a shitload of nuance from this film anyway, so as long as the characters are engaging and the action is ferocious, I'm okay with J.C.'s Stanley Kramer touch.
Overall, this is a very impressive trailer. My only caveat would be that, for all of its world-creating brio, the film feels kinda small in a weird way, like it's confined to about six or seven locations. Then again, the film is also close to three-hours long, so it's possible that Cameron is only sticking the tip in right now.
But wait, there's more! The Film Stage has tracked down a four-minute featurette that covers some familiar ground about the development of the film and the uniqueness of the physical production. But there's some new footage in here, so it's definitely worth your time. Check it out.
And it's gone. Oh, I... Oh, I'd... better learn how to face it.
December 18, 2009, folks. Is this the AVATAR you've been dreaming of for the last decade?
And it's gone. Oh, I... Oh, I'd... better learn how to face it.
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CANNOT WAT YEEEHA !
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I will see it, and love it.
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Im sure people will say this is gonna suck, but I like it.
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He is one of the few who will give us our money's worth. This will be a fun trip. I got a first post here for the first time, how so fucking not a big deal. Bring on Avatar!
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Looks good.
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...needs to be in HD Quicktime, too. Get on it Apple!
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I know a lot of people are going to quibble about the "realism" of the CGI and the Cameron haters will undoubtedly sidetrack this talkback...
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for all of you who said you would boycott fox, and get hard at the thought of this movie...fuck you...fucking hypocrites....
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it still looks...like ferngully...
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my eyeballs. Avatar Day rocked. I personally can't wait.
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I'll wait for the reviews.
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I never got the 'John Carter of Mars' comparisons. Now I do. This is an epic 'single guy standing up and leading a world to freedom' story, that wouldn't have been too out of place in a pulp magazine (I mean that as a complement).
Also, I never got furries. Now I do. Damn Zoe Saldana, screwing with my head.
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Now they all want to see this flick. It will be huuuuuge. Remember when everyone thought Titanic was going to bomb? Ha.
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It amuses me that the "HD+", the super high resolution alternative, is 720x330 pixels.
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...that was a damn fine first post. Good Job.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:33:00 AM CDT
This trailer and even the featurette barely scratch the surface
by turdontherun
This isn't one of those deals where all the money shots are in the advertising material. We haven't seen any shots of the future eart yet, and the final battle could be up to 40 mins long. 'this film feels small'? A bizarre comment. This movie is epic in scope. The best is yet to come.As to running time. 150 mins plus is a certainty, but there has been talk that it could be over 3 and a half. Who knows, but it is assuredly an epic movie.
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Why can't he get them back in the first place?
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Halo vs The Gungans
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There's not a lot of people I have complete faith in...but James Cameron is one of them.
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I'm sorry, anybody talking shit about the effects at this point doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. In terms of pure technological work, this is a far and beyond anything we've had to date. I think what ultimately throws people off is that everything is so colorful, but honestly, I'm so fucking tired of everything looking gray and brown in movies and games. Its refreshing to have something that's actual fun and colorful to look at.
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yep that is badass
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Oct 29, 2009 12:41:51 AM CDT
looks predictable and the character design looks too fake
by beyondthunderdome2girls1cupbillcosby
but it'll probably be pretty badass in the imax 3d and the battle at the end probably rewatchable a few times on dvd
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He'll be here soon enough, talking about the impending eyeball rape that awaits all of us. Just watching that trailer makes me want to pop in Aliens.
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Looks cool. Cameron usually brings the goods.
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I dont know if anyone has noticed but all of his scenes he is a computer generated character. Look for it.
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I've seen the leaked theater trailer and to finally see it in HD... beautiful.. Epic!
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cause he better write... and write fast!
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I was at the Denver Free IMAX 3-D Screening that boasted 15 minutes of footage. After witnessing that, I was fucking hooked and I cannot wait to see this when it comes out. Until you see it in 3-D, you haven't seen shit!
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who was sent to be a spy feels guilty and sides with the freedom fighters against the US. That's basically the story, right? Michael Moore, Hairy Noels, the Truthers, and 90% of the AICN chatroom should then love the story, at least.
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Now THIS is how you do a fucking blockbuster. I don't give a shit what anyone says, this movie looks like a straight up good time...no, GREAT time at the cinema. Add some 3D fun to that, and yep, this movie's gonna be huge, like nothing ever seen before. There's just so many badass things happening between those two videos. Classic story and characters to boot...Cameron always delivers.
As others have pointed out, pretty soon this talkback will be dominated by haters who keep rehashing weak comparisons to ferngully, thundercats, smurfs, and constantly bitch about the CG. So basically, I'm steering clear this time, cause it's tired and predictable. Anyone who truly hates this, well that's cool, but all I know is it would suck to be them. As for the rest of us...I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say December needs to hurry the fuck up and get here. -
I love me some movie magic
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...the "Art of " book will be great. Plus I'm a big admirer of Cameron's work, so I'm looking forward to it. Oh, and if you're one of the people who came on talkback to express your lack of enthusiasm: kindly disintegrate.
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I was not impressed by anything about this up until that trailer right there. So, with that said, I AM NOW looking forward to seeing this. Sure the story looks pretty generic, but at least there is some cool looking visuals to go with the Ferngully story and plotlines.....
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It's the story of just about every colonizing force in history, does a great job of telling it in abstract terms like good sci-fi should it seems. Cameron, you truly are the master.
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I'd heard that they were going to make a human character CG just to show off, basically, back in the '90's, and that was another thing they couldn't do back in the '90's. If there's anyone who could get a studio to spend millions of dollars on a special effect that basically is useless other than to face the audience, it's Cameron. Interested to find out if it's true.
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It's quite shocking that so far pretty much all the comments have been positive. Is this really happening? Good to know not everyone who comes here is a joyless cynic. Then again I'm sure a lot of the naysayers are 15 year basement dwellers whos bedtime has come and gone. I'm sure by tomorrow they'll show up right on cue with their "I think I'm so cool cause I'm above Avatar" shtick.
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Logical speculation? Anyone?
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I'm a 28-year-old cinephile, Mandrake, and I've got to say, that looked like nothing more than a semi-decent video game. I have absolutely no excitement for this film. I won't bag on you if you do, but I won't be in line with you on opening day either.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:19:30 AM CDT
Half of Avatar's money will go to settle this lawsuit:
by lord john whorfin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_me_Joe
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This movie is going to ROCK and ROCK hard! George Lucas wishes JAMES CAMERON had directed one of the STAR WARS MOVIES! Michael Bay is gonna shut his face after he sees this movie.
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it has taken them a while, but that is a fucking great trailer. i was left very cold by that terrible first teaser, but after seeing the free 15 mins in IMAX 3-D and now this, i cant wait.
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as someone who grew up watching Terminator, Aliens, and T2 on an endless loop throughout my formative years, I can tell you, I really, REALLY want to be excited for this film. But it looks like dreck.
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I'm assuming humans have been on the planet Pandora for a while now, possibly 100 years or so, and initially had, had good relations with the locals meaning both sides, humans and Navi probably have interpreters as well as good percentages of the population that can speak a small amount of the others languages. It probably came in handy earlier for trade and what not.
Kind of like Early North American settlers and Native Americans.
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works for me.
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This looks fuckin good. I've never seen a movie in 3D before. So I think I'll watch it twice on opening day. Once in 3D, once in 2D, to see the difference.
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And for those of us who think that 3D is complete horseshit, will we still be able to enjoy this picture?
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If he was they would be using that as THE selling point
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"They've sent us a message that they can take whatever they want, but we will send them a message - that this... this is our land!" Quite the rallying cry there buddy..
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I attended Avatar Day, and yeah, Cameron has built an entire alien world from the smallest blade of grass or pebble up to the floating mountains and 1000 foot trees. And the performances are stellar.
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fuck the haters - trying to ruin our enjoyement, fuck you and yes and you and you ! you are puny insects that will be crushed by the weight of this one. FUCK YOU
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Assholes.
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True enough, but what exactly is his rallying cry supposed to be when they are taking over THEIR LAND? and invading their world? Tell me that? IF you can come up with a less cheesy line feel free to post it. Personally though, I think it has less to do with how the rallying cry is delivered and more to do with that fact that we've all seen way too many movies with rallying cries for our own good. They've all been done. We're rallying Cried out so to speak...
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Oct 29, 2009 1:41:43 AM CDT
Still looks like pure shit. Cameron has lost his mind
by trannyformers_apologist
What the hell is this shit....uh?
You got a boring, predictable, story, a fucked up script that makes me want to vomit. Horrible cartoony, retarded, CGI, Furfag Thundersmurfs, and CGI quality that is a disgrace.
Add it up here:
Played out boring stupid cliche story
Call Me Joe: The Movie
Story is PREDICTABLE with boring actors just makes it worse.
Cheesy stupid ass dialogue
Terrible C grade actors (who cares what happens to these jackoffs?)
Shit music from The Island (Thank Bay for that)
Retarded Na'vi Furfag designs
Horrible video game CGI
Sam Worthington's bad accent
Mitchel Rodriguez vomit inducing performance
Stephen Lang hamming it up, trying to hard. Sounds like a gimp fucktard...."Your not in Kansas anymore" Damn that's pure shit.
Cameron has been down in the ocean for to long. Terrible... just fucking terrible. Who are the slacked jawed retarded donkey fuckers who green lit the 300 million dollar cheeseball fury porn cartoon horse shit ?....oh that's right Fox did.
That dog shit cornball dialogue takes the cake. Who is the fucking moron who wrote this stupid movie....Fuck sakes man that's amateur! Almost as bad as the played out story that I've seen a thousand time. The whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
Who in there right mind would want to praise, defend, or apologize for this massive shitfest? Utter madness of biblical proportions.
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Hell yeah! Now THAT'S what I call a trailer!Looks totally awesome.
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Your name says everything I need to know. Good Day.
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I know someone just posted the Wiki link above but for those who don't bother to click on links here is the gist of the 1957 short story written by Poul Anderson: "Anglesey is confined to a wheelchair and bad-tempered. He dislikes all his colleagues and is disliked in return. He is allowed to stay on the station only because of his ability to establish a telepathic connection with (and thereby control) Joe, a creature designed to survive the hostile conditions on the Jovian surface. Cornelius conjectures that something in Anglesey's mind rejects or fears Jupiter, and the resulting feedback keeps destroying the delicate equipment. Eventually Cornelius is allowed to share a session with Anglesey during an important part of the mission. A set of autonomous female Jovians, similar to Joe but lacking a human controller such as Anglesey, has been launched from the satellite and will soon land on Jupiter. Joe, still controlled by Anglesey, is to be the leader, and father, of a new race that will live on the planet. During this session, Cornelius becomes aware of a third mind – that of Joe himself. Anglesey's mind has been steadily transforming itself into Joe and shrinking in the process. Cornelius was looking at the problem from the wrong end – it was not Anglesey's fear of going to Jupiter and becoming sublimated into Joe's stronger character which was causing the blowouts, but his fear of leaving Jupiter and the freedom Joe's whole and healthy, though non-human, body allows him. Anglesey's existence is poor and constricted compared to Joe's, and the environment has shaped a personality that no longer wants to be human. Seeing himself from Cornelius's perspective, Joe becomes fully self-aware. He ejects Cornelius from the loop and shuts down what is left of Anglesey. Cornelius revives on the station next to the hollow shell of Anglesey's body. Far from being dismayed, Cornelius realizes that this is the way of the future. From now on people with diseased bodies and even the aged can be recruited for the Jovian program if they have the necessary talents. Eventually they will leave their bodies behind and become Jovians in the flesh, functioning as the priesthood of the new race."
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...just shut the fuck up and go back watching your beloved Michael Bay shaky cam bullshit. Thanks.
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Cliche dialogue, effects that still look goofy, a story that seems like it is a mix of Aliens and Braveheart... Not excited.
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Hehehe, when somebody is as crazy as you - do they know it?Oh and what's "fury porn"?
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All my previous "mehs" must be repented.
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ok, so the humans have the technology to grow synthetic hybrids of human-alien organisms. then wouldn't they have the technology to fix the dude's paralysis? couldn't they grow new nerve-endings or whatever is needed to fix his legs? maybe grow news ones? It seems, from the trailer, he has to do work to get the military to fix him. Why? only military can do DNA manipulation? I see spaceships, robots, etc. Seems like earthlings would have ability to repair their bodies back home, instead of being handicapped and needing therapy and such for rest of their life. dont health insurance companies back on earth want to fix people? wheelchairs etc.
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cameron is not an original storyteller, he is a COOL storyteller. there's a difference. if he is an original, hes an original in the way he gets shit done. seriously don't let the fuckin mutants from CHUD tell you what to think.
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You're not the most original poster either.
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belive me that they arent telling people but he is in cg, i can tell, his movement are way too diferent. check the briefing scene, and after people see the movie they will reveal it and everyone will be like "what?!"
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You show me an original movie and I'll show you a movie, or novel that the argument could be persuasively made that it stole its core concept from.
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Exactly. That was the precise thought that went through my head when I was watching this trailer, "I'm rallying cried out". Makes me wonder why they put it in the trailer and if that's a bad sign... But also, I will take you up on your offer to come up with a better rallying cry - here goes... "they think they can take whatever they want but they can no more take our land than they can take the glimmer from the stars, the thoughts from our minds, the fire from our hearts!
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you are on Ferngully: The Last Rainforest! Avatar Ferngully trailer http://tinyurl.com/yzurwyn pure win
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None of us have ever seen anything like this. EVER. Love it or hate it, December 18th.
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I might be wrong, but wasn't D9 end credits also a variation of requiem For A Dream?
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Along with all the other lazy, tired putdowns... Talk about cliched. Sad, jaded douches. I'll enjoy the movie for you and me both. You're welcome.
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Yeah, nobody cares.
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Even though I've read that it looks better in 3D, I don't really care.
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well, maybe except for poul anderson, if he were still alive.
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She learnt English from the humans. The Humans and Na'vi have been interacting for 24 or so years now according to the movie's timeline.
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do I go to see your masterpiece? Seriously... I have to stop feeding the troll.
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You may be a cinephile, but you sure as fuck don't know anything about special effects or videogames to make that comparison. Maybe you're the cinephile who's into Romantic comedies and some of that old fashioned stuff.
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Apparently the only thing the book has in common with Avatar is 1) The main character is a paraplegic. 2) He uses his mind to remotely control a centaur creature on an alien planet. That's it. Thanks for playing.
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We haven't even heard the whole speech. That's probably not the topper, maybe he's just getting a bit warmed up and has more to say... You can't judge this shit from an out of context trailer!
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I still don't know about this one. There's nothing in the trailer that changed my mind about it being pretty average. Hopefully the movie is better than the trailer.
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All I can say is: my panties remain dry
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What the hell was that shit....uh? You are a boring, predictable, fucked loon that makes me want to vomit. A horrible cartoony, retarded, Furfag smurfing, disgraceful troll.
Add it up here:
Played out boring stupid trolling points
A spaz who repeats the same trolling points thought off by other people without any imagination whatsoever.
PREDICTABLE and boring are repeating the same old shit in every talkback.
Cheesy stupid ass dialogue.
An F grade fanboy (Nobody cares about a jackoff like you!)
Makes fun of things that aren't even in the movie.
Couldn't draw a design to save his life
Hates video games but has never ever seeen or played one.
Talks with a lisp
A simple hammy gimped fucktard who's yet to come up with a decent funny original trolling argument.
Same shit differnt day. Terrible... just fucking terrible. Slacked jawed retarded donkey fucker with 2 dollars to his name which wouldn't even buy him fury porn cartoon horse shit. Crazy like a Fox.
Your cornball dialogue takes the cake. Only a fucking moron like you could write this stupid shit....Fuck sakes man that's amateur! Almost as bad as the played out forum troll that I've seen a thousand times. Your whole schtick just makes me sick to my stomach.
Who in there right mind would want to bother with you anymore? Not me, I'm frankly done with you.
Avatar will make money the size of biblical proportions and soon it will collapse on you and bring you TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION! Who cares about your lonesome delusions when Avatar is fucking our eyeballs out in a month's time? Dman near fucking noone. Watch and Weep you little bitch! And I couldn't be bothered to make up new shit to make fun of you. So I'm plagarizing your shit and making it better. I am Avatar to your Spank me Joe! -
Maybe getting his legs back is too fucking expensive! Even in the future some things never change! After all this is the Native Americans Saga all over again...
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Titanic has a new brother. Literally.
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Listen man, hate to break it to you...but no one gives a shit what you think. Your not changing minds, your merely proving to everyone how idiotic and childish you are. Your opinion is as predictable as nightfall and you've got a most severe case of tunnel vision...You hated Avatar before you saw a single scene. Why don't you just fucking relax and take a deep breath, and remind yourself it's just a movie. Anyone who can conjure up so much hate for something that only exists to entertain needs to get a life, and quick.
What's even more sad is the fact that your gonna be sitting on your fat ass typing furiously about how Avatar and James Cameron are the devil hoping and praying somebody will listen to you. Meanwhile the rest of us will be having a fantastic time at the movies, you know, enjoying life and the cinematic revolution that Avatar most certainly will be. Oh but wait, of course you'll see Avatar as well, that's for certain. Look how much effect it's having on you, and it's not even out. Your more obsessed then any fanboy out there. So pathetic. -
It looks like a lot of fun, but I hate racially mysogynistic, jingoistic America rah rah rah stuff where it takes a yank to come in and lead the savages and use their ways as if born to them blah blah blah. The arrogance inherent on those stories makes my blood boil. Having said that I know this is more the self-aware Vietnam parable. Still it makes me nervous - and conflicted: He's a seppo, but he's also an Aussie (I'm an Aussie with American family)...
I know I'm being silly/suspicious, but i'm just many times bitten, twice shy - although anything is better than Tom Fucking Cruise teaching the Japanese what a REAL samurai is like. Gag. -
Oct 29, 2009 2:54:01 AM CDT
I haven't seen the HD version (700 by 300 odd id NOT hd),
by white_vader
but that Stephen Lang guy bugs me because he doesn't look right: nothing to do with cg, and everything to do with them obviously not being able to get Robert Patrick for the role...
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... I god a code.
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I'm thinkin this was just Wayyyyy too hyped too early. I saw the trailer for the first time yesterday @ paranormal activitah (awesome),n I saw blue cg aliens. Granted they looked good but "game changing" n "ground breaking"? Idk. I'll wait n reserve judgement till I c the film. Other'n that....looks like Camron is gettin a but if a pass by the public.
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Jakes a poor dude living on Earth, he has no money for the operation, but it does in fact exist. Actually if you watch the trailer it makes it clear that the folks Jakes working for on Pandora will give him back use of his legs, only if he succeeds in his mission. That brings an interesting dilemma though, because in a way he's got legs through his Avatar, but his switching sides will most likely lose the chance of getting his real legs, and he'll also eventually lose control of his Avatar. He's risking a lot more then just pissing off his superiors by changing sides.
Actually part of what makes Avatar's story so interesting is the fact that no matter what he does through his Avatar, at the end of the day it's not him. Really the Na'vi chick is falling in love with someone that isn't real...just something being controlled by someones mind. It's a bizarre dynamic, that's for sure. I'm quite interested in how Cameron's gonna handle the switching back and forth between Jake's real body and his Avatar...the trailer shows a surprising amount of conflict with Jake as his human form. The trailer actually shows a lot of things going on I personally never expected...I think Cameron's got some good surprises in store. -
Ugh Ribisi is the pure gayness.. make it stop.
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but i just want to post
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Cameron looks to deliver! I'm impressed, and I'm now definitely stoked to see the movie in its epic entirety. Hype my ass, yeah, you and two other geeks online. Main Street hasn't heard of this flick yet, but that's about to change, as the marketing machinery begins to crank up the volume for this gorgeous flick. November and early December should see a blitz of Avatar promo and PR. Titanic likewise didn't get any heavy promotion until close to its premiere launch.
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those battle scenes with the Na'vi look like pure cartoony shit. Anyone who thinks they look like anything but slightly better rendered PS2 cut scenes it out of their fucking mind. Might as well have made the entire movie animated.
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I mean, AICN is the place where hyperbole is norm, but PS2, really?
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Haven't we already seen this movie?
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My eyeballs have been ground into tiny gelatinous nubs by the severe dry-humping that trailer inflicted on me. Eyes WILL be fucked by this monster of a movie.
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...likes to molest crack babies.
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The less mouth-breathers to see this flick, the more joygasm for the rest of us.
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Make it work, baby! AVATAR to the motherfuckin' rescue!!!
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I know what you mean, but if it's any consolation, I think the military is Terran rather than American.
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James is always great when delivering the emotions. Yes, the story and battles will not impress the hardcore, but the cg acting looks top notch in this and the trailer alone is already raising the bar. I've never seen cg acting this effective before anywhere. Count me in.
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I predict that during the course of the film he either makes a conscious choice to abandon his human body for good or the military tries to kill him by detroying his human body, upon which we discover he truly has become his avatar.
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Mr Cameron thank you for bringing good entertainment with content back.
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even from the first images of the movie,i had the same the feeling that this guy will rule in the movie.i smell even an oscar nomination (like the drill guy from FMJ)
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Oh yeah, and I'm a bitch-ass fanboy—I've got nothin' to say but snark using my extraordinary powers of un-observation. 'Cause, y'know mummy didn't give me no attention…
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You're bitter because James Cameron just pounded Bay into the fucking ground.
This is going to be MASSIVE. It looks fucking insane. This is the movie i've been waiting for since Terminator 2. Fuck yeah! -
Have you been on here all night? ;)
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finally exposes Abrams, Kurtzman, Orci, McG, Bay, Ratner as the hacks they are. What is their response to Avatar? They're fucked now.
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fucking the hacks of Holywood since 18/12/09
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Trailer kicks f**king ass!!!
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Kids are gonna be playing with Colonel Scratchy Face and Blue Rasta men figures on Christmas morning.
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The amount of passion Cameron puts in his movies shows in every frame.
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I think it's about THE LAST AIRBENDER and I get all excited, then I realize it's just James Cameron's lame eye-fucking thing.
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— that showing a bit more of the Na'vi in context has a lot of doubters changing their opinions…And, then there's the people who just don't like it, which is fair enough.
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The Navi have me pretty impressed, especially that moment where Neytiri holds up her hand and says "You should not be here" - amazing CG acting. Trust Cameron to raise the bar.
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...and the dialog is on the nose. Don't get me wrong, I jizz to Cameron just like anyone else does, but the plot and the action seem so by the numbers.
"I wanted to fight for something..."
Oh, gee, I wonder what he's going to fight for?
"This? This is our land!"
Compare the dialog to ALIENS, or TERMINATOR, it's just not the same, is it?
All that being said, I'm still willing to give Movie God Cameron the chance he's earned. Still, it's going to be hard not to be thinking about Fern Gully when I rock the big 3D specs come December. -
Just kidding. All heil Cameron to blow some of his meat up your anus, come december...
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It's kinda cool looking.
If this were the first time I'd heard of Avatar and I hadn't endured so much hype about eyeball fucking from 'fans' who can't possibly have even seen it yet, I might be a little more excited. -
It's rare to see any trailer for a huge action/adventure/sci-fi movie containing cerebral dialogue. It's all about providing a short, simple, audio-visual blurb for the flick. I'd reserve judgment in that regard until seeing the movie as a whole.
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This is going to to be... great!
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Ripley,sam,rodriguez and the rest of the science team,they steal some mechs and fight alongside with the Navi? nice,we are going to watch some Ripley action with a mech again.i wonder if she says her iconic line again.
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Well upon finally seeing the full trailer and understanding the plot so fuck the groundbreaking digital imagery i think the story is actually pretty good YAY !!
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for cutting down on hyperbole. And you know game based on movie comes on X360 too. Maybe should compare movie with game and then make a call on it?
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I will be spending my christmas cinema time with Sherlock Holmes, because that looks a million times more fun and interesting than this phantom menace.
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I'll be disappointed if JC doesn't do some fan service and give Ripley a few Aliens moments.
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Wow.
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Thank you Iron Jim!
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Oct 29, 2009 4:42:52 AM CDT
Let's relax and let your mind go blank... shouldnt be hard for y
by sherlock_junior
Avatar is already quotable. Hope it has a lot of over the top Marine sarcasm. I lust love the Aliens Dialogue. Who says James 'I'll be Back most Iconic Oneliner ever' Cameron can't write dialogue should get his brains examined.
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Should have got Vinnie Chase for the lead though.
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Oct 29, 2009 4:43:59 AM CDT
Lets relax and let your mind go blank. Shouldnt be hard for you
by sherlock_junior
Avatar is already quotable. Hope it has a lot of over the top Marine sarcasm.
I lust love the Aliens Dialogue. Who says James 'I'll be Back most Iconic Oneliner ever' Cameron can't write dialogue should get his brains examined. -
Well ok, Cameron can make some impressive pictures, but Tarantino he ain't.
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"Didn't get lost in the woods did you?" is another great line. Cameron writes great GENRE dialogue, this is why Titanic's dialogue stood out as poor. But stick Jim in the sci-fi arena and there's nobody better.
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unimpressed with the first trailer but changed their opinion based on this one?
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The teaser had me a bit worried but I didn't want to jump to conclusions based on it. The trailer looks amazing, though.
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But, let's face it:
"This is our land!"
just isn't quite the same as
"Get away from her, you bitch!"
now is it?
Good point, though, the function of a trailer is visceral, not cerebral. Still, I'm not necessarily looking for sharp, brainy dialog. I'm waiting with bated breath for that trademark, pitch perfect Cameron wordplay married to an inventive visual sequence that reinvents the genre. I'm waiting for a naked Terminator to walk into a chrome & leather biker bar in the first three minutes, walk up to the baddest ass in the joint, and say:
"I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."
I'm jonesing for that perfectly timed comic line that eviscerates the tension built into a highly charged, dramatic confrontation.
"This little girl survived for longer than that with no weapons and no training... right?"
"Why don't you put her in charge?!"
I long to hear an emotional character explosion that's not cheesy or hackneyed, but that's earned by the dramatic build of the story.
"I came back for you, Sarah."
From what I've seen in these first two trailers, Cameron's tuning fork sounds just a wee bit bent out of shape. The words sound flat and the situations uninventive.
Watching Jake as Navi swan dive off that branch onto the back of the giant flying fauna/beast comes closest to eliciting a tuning fork boner, but it still feels like the most expensive cartoon in history.
But, as I've stated before, I'll reserve judgment until the specs come off in December.
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read the script for Holmes and its nothing to get excited about. I love RDJ, and im a Sherlock fan, but the script is nt good....
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ambition.I understand that this project is the dream of his life,he is developing it for 12+,and its somehow a summup of his past works,and since money and technology is not a limitation for him,he can focus completely all himself on this movie.
But u know that is not always a good thing.A very talented artist with unlimited resources,pursuing his personal magnum opus,might fall to his own trap οf creativity : He becomes greedy,megalomaniac,arrogant,he loses the measure,the sense of what the limits should,which lead to the creation of an unbalanced,overcrowded,noisy and loquacious film.
To sum up,i am afraid that avatar which is 3hours long,might be a bit bloated,longer than it should be and showing too many stuff,losing its pace and its balance.I hope i am wrong,besides Cameron managed to make his previous movie which was also 3h long,interesting,so he will probably manage to do it again with avatar.
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I think i twill look amazing, especially in Imax/3D …. at first. But the slightly clichéd dialogue/story has me worried that the magic will wear off after 1.5 hours and that it will be a bit of a drag after that. Unless he sets up the time spent on the Navi home world really cleverly.
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Yeah that ones great too, I believe thats the best part about Camerons writing he has a witty sense of humor.
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and predictable the trolls are becoming, they just keep flogging the same dead horse, and repeating themselves ad naseum. How sad and pathetic, they are more obsessed than anyone with the film. It really seems like their happiness is dependent on wether they can get anyone that will listen to agree with them....
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really looks epic and unlike anything we have seen. I also love how colorful it is, time for a change from all the dark and muted colors imho....
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If the film is designed to only look spectacular on an Imax screen in 3d then it's lost 75% of its audience straight away.
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i have the same problem.i watched the mini screen preview on august,and the scene where sam as navi,confronts that giant beast,he talks like a total cocky jerk.ok his character might be that of a total cocky jerk,but hearing him insulting as a Navi,it felt a little out of place.
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...and I'm paraphrasing here, "If you set your sights high enough, even if you fail, you fail higher than everyone else's successes."
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I agree !! After the coloured down Matrix movies, every single action or scifi movie went for ' gritty realism '
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it not being original. There is nothing that is nt heavily influenced by something. Its all in how you combine and then present your influences imho. Otherwise what is District 9 but a ripoff of Alien Nation then? Or Batman is just a ripoff of Sherlock Holmes and Zorro. Or Star Trek is just a ripoff of Forbidden Planet.....And lets not even get started on all the obvious influences on Lucas and Star Wars.....
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so because agreeing with Ominus, who is cautiously optimistic, makes me a troll? Nice....
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still looks like a video game, or king kong 2.... but thats ok, ill wait til i see it for final judgement. certainly looks promising
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I have issues with both the design & tecnical execution of this, a few minatures\location shoots wouldn't have gone amiss, but one thing it does have is originality. It's not a remake of an existing film/TV show or an adaption of a book/computer game.
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A very well rendered one, but a cartoon nonetheless. The likely PG-13 rating concerns me further. This may be teetering on being a "kids" movie, with a toy tie-in, and a Saturday morning cartoon. Ugh. That's not the Cameron I know and love. -J.
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It will have plenty of violence, dead navi's and marines and gruesome deaths. They just cant show em in the trailer. (although the guy that gets bitten and thrown away like 50 yards is quit a good one)
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or aiming anything at you. I dont think I even saw or read your posts. Sorry if there was any kind of misunderstanding.
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Cartoonish as well at times, but an R because of some pretty graphic CGI violence. Something in that style? Do tell....-J.
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transformersapologist, both of whom I suspect are Devin Farci. Its the only logical explanation for their sad pathetic pathological need to keep saying the same shit in the hope that something...anything will stick to a movie they have declared a jihad against in their delusional minds....
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for the first 30 seconds or so (Especially the music), but after that I enjoyed itI think I preferred the teaser, though. Something about the lack of dialogue and the slow build-up made the movie seem more epic in scope to me than it does after seeing this one.Either way I'll be seeing this in the theater.
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There are hidden messages in the movie, one of which I just discovered...that really serve to make you think about something far greater than just a blockbuster entertainment film. George Lucas has something to say here, a perspective about something that Dan Brown has hinted at in drect reference to Star Wars, Luke, and the fallen dark father who is redeemed. It is pretty mind blowing if you figured-out exactly what Lucas is alluding to. Specifically, Star Wars is is an addendum to ancient religious stories...which are held to be historical depictions of something tangible. Why did I mention this with respect to Avatar? Well, like Star Wars...there is symbology in this film that have a worth far greater than the simple presentation of entertainment, for entertainment's sake.Go back and look at Episode 3 from this perspective--and your view of Episode 3 and Lucas' accomplishment will widen in a very surprising way.
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The trailer looks like there's no single original bone in it, but it does look fun none the less. I just hope that the "give us our free" part of the story isn't such embarassing mess as it was in the last episode of Dark Angel (which was an embarassing mess all together)
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If any of you entertained the notion that he might actually be on to something, let me remind you that he's also the guy who--I shit you not--believes the following:
1) The Jet Propulsion Laboratory is a "sex cult".
2) The porn industry is run by a "satanist cabal".
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Is an excellent movie, there is so much more in there story wise, it is probably the best film directed by Lucas. I love it. The only star wars i hate is AOTC, its shit.
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The teaser lost me, and now this trailer reminded me why I should have never doubted Cameron.
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according to IMDB it's 166 minutes long.
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Anyone who can't see this is the best CGI work on film to date has NO idea what they are talking about. PLEASE point to a game cutscene that is more convincingly realistic than this!
District 9 IS great and it WAS done on a miniscule budget. But please realise that it was shot in locations that already existed - it was the aliens and spaceships that were CG - the rest is real. That's a hell of a lot less CG than this film - where the entire fucking planet is CG. The budgets are not comparable - you simply can't make Avatar for $30million.
Also, the aliens in D9 WERE awesome, but they were also.... alien. They were emotive, but they were not human looking - unlike the Navi which have recongnisably human features. I'm sure you all know the Uncanny Valley. The Prawns are simply not human enough to have any chance of falling in, but the Navi are so close to human they could easily fall into that valley - but they don't - they are completely convincing as creatures - Just like Gollum before them.
Ignore the haters - this film represents the state of the art in CG. It does NOT look like a computer game. Computer games WISH they were in any way capable of this - fuck, most other FILMS wish they could do this - and don't forget it is in 3D. Live action 3D (mixed with CG of course) is HARD to do and look good - in fact other than Final Destination (eurggh) and Journey to the Centre of the Earth (anyone remember that?), GI-Gerbals (or whatever the fuck it was called) - it's not as if there is a plethora of films doing it.
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There's a whole lot of depth to the all of the Star Wars prequels if you look for it. People may complain about the execution but the story itself has many levels, even more so than the originals.
But I'm not sure you can say that about Avatar. I'm sure there is an environmental message and it's about the strong bullying the weak, but so far there is nothing that makes me thing there is any real depth to it or anything subtle about its message (why do movies have to have a message anyway? Can't they just be fun?)
Obviously nobody has seen the full film yet so it wouldn't be fair to make judgements yet.
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but you're blind as a fucking bat if you're not noticing problems already with the mixing of live action and CGI. No doubt the 3D aspects and Cameron's skill with action will distract from the problems...but I simply dont get people who cant see the how this looks less than eyeball fuckery.
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but you're blind as a fucking bat if you're not noticing problems already with the mixing of live action and CGI. No doubt the 3D aspects and Cameron's skill with action will distract from the problems...but I simply dont get people who cant see the how this looks less than eyeball fuckery.
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but you dont have any problem enjoying them.so there goes your 'argument' of avatar being cartoonish.NEXT PLEASE.
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Have you ever jacked in? Have you ever wire tripped? No? [smirk] A virgin brain. Well, we're gonna start you off right. This isn't like "TV only better", this is life. Yeah, this is a piece of somebody's life. Pure and uncut, straight from the cerebral cortex. You're there! You're doing it, seeing it, hearing-hearing it. You're feeling it. It's about the stuff you can't have, right? Like running into a liquor store with a .357 magnum in your hand, feeling the adrenaline pumping through your veins. I can make it happen. I can get you anything you want. Ya just have to talk to me. Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me, talk to me. I am your priest. I am your shrink. I am your main connection to the switchboard of souls. I'm the magic man. The Santa Claus of the subconscious. You say it. You even think it. You can have it! Are we beginning to see the possibilities here? You know you want it.
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What are you talking about? How can you say the dialogue is worse than the prequels? There's already two memorable lines int he trailer. That's two more lines than in the whole of three films!
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What are the chances of Kurtzman and Orci coming up with something like that?
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That film is over ten years old and doesn't have a cartoon looking visual anywhere in it.... back when photo-real was thrown around i had my hopes up we'd finally get another film of that calibre. little bit of a let down actually... but thats ok.. leave room for improvement - and this film DOES look good
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there goes yours
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with the dialogue from Avatar.Cameron is stupid for not asking his advice on that.
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they could be something else? like live action movies? if so then why they didnt go the other route? pls mr quantize enlighten me.
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many problems in those clips. Seriously, this film WILL have problems in certain shots. And, that is a serious problem with any type of effect; the point is to distract the viewer from the problems. These are cinematic illusions—not recreating 'reality'. Note the difference between, say, looking out a window or watching actors on the screen. In a straight A/B comparison, a movie looks like a movie. It's artificial and it strobes; the light is different onscreen than what is streaming through the window. Cinema is NOT reality. It's a stylized representation, that we accept as 'real'.These creatures look BELIEVABLE, not photo-real and they look like they belong in their environment. I'm sure there will be some incongruent shots in the film, but these still look like believable creatures. Stylized? Absolutely. But, the ACTORS look stylized.
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The visuals look cool....but I admit I'm still worried about the generic cheesiness of the dialogue (none of the lines feel very fresh) but perhaps JC will tidy it up prior to release.
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cgi navi,look their fucking muscle movement.Notice the scene where navi sam talks with that hot blue navi,neuteri.As he talks,the muscle in his chest above,near his throat,moves a bit,just like in a human when talking.
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I can't remember one line of dialogue from Star Trek this past summer.
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They're intentionally strongly stylized and exaggerated designs..the world of Avatar, for all the fucking hand wringing and apologetic bullshit in these threads bares a more than familiar sense of detail...light,depth and gravity to ours..even the blue pixies..look despite all this I still think the 3D process and Cameron's skills will overcome all this..but anyone who sees this shit and doesn't notice some incongruity between the shots and lighting styles (OK contrast where he is in the lab etc waking up...to the outdoor ones..what is this the planet with realistic neon light but plastic sun?).
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but, I was trying to say: Let's judge the CGI by how well it helps tell the story.
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may be producing the ridly Scott directed Alien Prequal?
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unless there is a scene in kansas at the start then i prey to the film-Gods thats the worst of it and is itself cut from the final film
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Woah - where did you hear that? Scott and Lightstorm? Cool...
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as a fan of Cameron's fans. I'll see this one for sure.
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as a fan of Cameron's films. I'll see this on for sure.
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fluorescent vs atmospheric/volumetric sun(s?)light.
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can understand what is cgi and what real in the same,not that the stylization of the navi is cartoonish.
well i had like you,the same problem with the navi who weak up on the lab.yes u could tell the difference between the cgi and the real stuff.BUT i have seen the same scene on the mini preview in a 3d non-imax theater,and personally i found that the cgi in that scene was blended wonderfully with the real people and things there.it looked way better than any trailers until now.
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Dude, WTF are you talking about - you are saying there is a difference between the inside and outside shots? You don't fucking say! Not like that happens in real life, is it?
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that the acting and story might be a bit on the cheesy side. But damn those effects look flippin sweet.
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no you dickhead, thats not at all what im saying...but im bored with fucking explaining it...go gobble on it for all i care if you think its all so damn perfect.
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Put the barrel in your mouth. No press the trigger, Kurt Cobain style. Suddenly, the world is a better place. There goes -- what, wait, the head was empty. Nothing happens. Should have guessed. There's not one brain cell in there.
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If you cant see for yourselves how much more naturalistic the lighting and detail looks in some scenes over others..well fine...its beside the point anyhow. But you know..some bits look cool..some of those closeups look great, others look real cartoony and odd. I see what i see..
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Avatar-mas will replace them as the new holiday.
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Cartoons can't fuck my eyeballs.
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is it due to the differences in the lighting set ups in the scene? A lab environment won't have the harsh light of the rock face cliff. How can you miss the subtlety of the changes in the environment?Some shots look odd (cartoony? No.), one or two lack 'weight' and appear a little floaty.
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Though my eyeballs have been oh-so-gently-stroked...whispering sweet nothings to me, but it hasn't had its way with me and shagged me rotten. Not yet anyway.
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—all this talk of 'cartoons' in the pejorative. Is this why it's so difficult to create more sophisticated animated pictures at the studios? Do people think cartoons or animation is a less worthy storytelling form than live-action? Why?
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I'd rather ava-shit!
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the extended Aliens cut to theaters.
And when am I going to get my 5-star director's cut DVD of True Lies? Huh? Huh?
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But that doesn't stop me from helplessly falling into watching it if i stumble across it on the telly. Cameron just pulls me in somehow. Even as i'm quite conscious of his rather ham-fisted dialogue and his themes having all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to an infants skull. That said, I'm gonna enjoy the fuck out of this thing!
And oh yeah, Media Messiah. What are these hidden messages you speak of in ROTS? Not that I believe you necessarily. I just find your ideas immensely entertaining. -
Dan Brown spoke to Matt Lauer about his views concerning George Lucas' work roughly two weeks ago in an in-depth interview in prime time on NBC. BTW, Lauer didn't think him a nut.As for your list. 1) The leader of Scientology, pre-creation of Scientology, was involved with, and in, a sex cult ala Eyes Wide Shut...with the man who created JPL. The individual who created JPL, which later spawned NASA, was known to be involved with satanic rituals and had a NAZI past. What is important is not what I believe to be the truth, but rather, it is important that someone who got so high-up in the sensitive ranks of our government, without being called crazy or insane, believed it, and practiced his religious rather openly beliefs--a man, who, was considered to be a genius by the U.S. government, FYI. L Ron Hubberd was involved with this specific sex cult, and was close friends with this man, and ran the cult alongside him. That is an historical fact, and is acknowledged by Scientology spokespersons. 2) I was referencing Project Monarch...a reported brainwashing program run by the U.S. government with NAZI and satanic links. Stewart Copeland of The Police, and his brother Miles Copeland, were born of two well respected parents--their father was U.S. intelligence officer, and their mother, a British intelligence officer--both highly placed. Specifically, the father confirmed the existence of Project Monarch--openly. He had assailed the program for years. If you doubt it, look it up for yourself, I happily invite it. You will not be able to knockdown the facts of the story.Johnny Gosh, a kidnapped child was linked to Project Monarch by his mother. She claims that her son returned to her as an adult and made specific references to himself and other children being used in the porn industry, and satanic rituals being involved as a part of brainwashing. He also referenced Project Monarch in that regard--which again, squares with the story of the patriarch of the Copeland family. Again, don't believe me, that isn't important, but Copeland is a well tenured and respected government agent--specifically, I think he is ex CIA, if my memory serves me correctly? If you can attack his character successfully, which you can't, go right ahead. 3)In regard to Venus, I was referencing a Russian probe that entered Venus' atmosphere and took pictures of the surface of the planet; also an historical fact. The problem? Venus is suppose to be too hot to allow for such a probe to enter its atmosphere? The probe should have burned-up long before it was able to get those shots of Venus. My point is this-- clearly, based upon this, we are being actively lied to about the temperature of Venus by the governments of the world. Armed with that fact, you have to ask yourselves something, why would they lie about this information? What are they trying to cover-up about Venus? Well, as a part of asking that question, I brought-up the report about a man who claimed to be from Venus, and reportedly asked to address the U.N. in the 60s era. My view is not to say whether the story of this man, or about him, is true, rather, it was to add a exclamation point to the story about the Russian probe, which anyone of you can confirm. Again, the Russians took those pictures of Venus when scientifically, if we are to believe that Venus has a hostile atmosphere, that said pictures should have been impossible to take--according to the science data they gave us. Again, if you know anything about pattern recognition, than you will find it instantly suspect that the governments of the world are pro-actively telling us false information about the temperature of Venus. The question is...why? And in that question, is the most likely answer. They are hiding something--something very big that they don't want you, and I to know about.Lastly, do you know that not one scientist on this planet can answer where seconds, minutes, or hours come from? Not one of them knows? The only references come from--guess what, the holy books that state that the Angels gave us the knowledge? The same holy books that talk about life after death, the Lord being a lord of many mansions (worlds and dimensions), and an invisible force of creation (God/The Force), or whatever you wish to call it, has formed all reality. People like Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Hubbard, JRR Tolkien, etc., have been using their works to educate (condition) the public about ancient myths--myths, that may be more historical fact, than fiction. I leave you with information that then sitting president Ronald Reagan told Steven Spielberg after Spielberg showed him E.T. at the White House. Reagan, who even according to his son Michael, has seen UFOs, said to Spielberg, quote..."You don't know how close you came to the truth"...unquote.Have a nice day!!!
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einstein gave an answer about the nature of Time.soooo wtf r u drinking?
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Welcome back James....You've been away to long..
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...you really are insane.
You do know, of course, that the Russian probe was fried shortly after landing and snapping a few shots, right? It was designed to resist enormous temperatures for a short while but not designed to last. This is all very public knowledge--unless, of course, it's all a bunch of VENUSIAN LIES.
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I think you meant symbolism. Not symbology. Doofus.
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This is a vastly better trailer than the last - you can at last begin to see a story and there's less reliance on 3D and the Avatar gimick as a selling point. I hate 3D, and this looks like a movie I'd be willing to see 2D. Still, the story seems a bit cliche - like if, at the end of "Lawrence of Arabia," Peter O'Toole had rallied the Arabs to fight back against the British. That would ruin Lawrence's story.
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Pandora means havoc (being unleashed)...and of course, Mars means God of War--or suggesting havoc? You may have heard of the CIA remote viewing program, as reported about in Time Magazine? Well, two members of that program talked about doing a remote viewing of an envelope that they were given by a tasking officer--they gave this account on Coast To Coast Live--a conspiracy radio show. Back to the account: After 45 minutes of the remote vewng session, the two remote viewers wrote down what they saw. According to their account, they saw a pre-industrialized civilization populated by tall humanoid beings, roughly about 9 to 12 feet tall, and of blue-ish skin. They were entering and exiting existing pyramidal shaped structures. Again, this account was given on Coast To Coast Live. Well, here is where the fun comes in. The tasking officer looked over the paperwork of the two remote viewers, the text of their written visions. He then led them into an adjoining room, and opened up the envelope that they had just remote viewed. According to the two men, a look of shock raced over their tasking officer's face. He then immediately showed them a single piece of paper that was in the envelope. The paper had these following words written on it. "Mars, One Billion Years Ago".I just find that Avatar appears to be alluding to the story of the remote viewers. I am not saying that James Cameron is doing an exact take, which he clearly is not, but the symbolism is there, and that is my point.
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Media Messiah, where do you find helmets that fit a dome as pointy as yours?
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Look it up. The problem with you, and people like you, is that you attack others before bothering to investigate the information you are talking about--like the word...Symbology.
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I would be glad the righties are all pissed off about it, but then that's when they become dangerous...
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Especially once i saw it on the big screen. This one is all kinds of bad-ass. Sign me the fuck up! I'm in and prepared to enjoy the fuck out of it!
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for this? Him and Jimmy are tight. Real tight.
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Oct 29, 2009 7:18:10 AM CDT
"do you know that not one scientist on this planet can answer wh
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
Well it was invented by man, you nut! I fucking love Media Messiah. My favourite is the way he keeps quoting ronald reagan to spielberg like it's proof or something. Brilliant!
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It's because you can't. You looked up L. Ron Hubberd and his involvement with the creator of JPL. You looked up Project Monarch and Mr. Copeland assailing that program. You then looked up the Russian probe...and you found that I told the truth, in every instance...and the hystorical records back it up. Now you are left calling names to excuse the fact that your argument has completely fallen apart? A word of advice for the future; Don't enter an intellectual Vietnam unarmed, you'll only lose...on every occasion.
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he just wraps his conical cranium in tin foil. Tell us about the Lizard People again.
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"do you know that not one scientist on this planet can answer where seconds, minutes, or hours come from?"
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You want your porn wholesome? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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...an event movie bought me popcorn, held my hand...said "this was fun, can I call you?".That's all I ask at this point. STAR WARS sequels? Shit. MATRIX sequels? Shit. I suppose LOTR was the last time, but I have such a long prior relationship with the books I always felt like I was cheating on them. TRANSFORMERS? What a fucking joke.At this point all I ask is a nice night out...that would be a pleasant surprise.
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Is that you presumed I didn't know the meaning of both words. Also that I wouldn't double-check to be sure. And it's Hubbard, you dolt. And hystorical (although the merging of historical and hysterical there is probably absolutely correct)?! Jesus Christ man, and you're lecturing me!
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Oct 29, 2009 7:31:54 AM CDT
Media Messiah. Can I ask you a question about remote viewing?
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
What are your thoughts on the Federal government terminating the 20 million remote viewing project in 1995 citing "a lack of documented evidence that the program had any value to the intelligence community."?
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Again...not one scientist knows of any historical reference for the scientific calibration of time. The only references in our culture come from the holy books, which claim that the Angels gave us the knowledge. BTW, the human body is a clock. Your pulse/heart beats 60 times a minute, roughly. It also beats in time with the 24 hour rotation of our planet. Well, when you place a human being deep inside a cave, guess what happens? If they, the subject, stays long enough in that cave, the observed human body clock...changes from a 24 hour calibration, to 24 37 minutes. That is the same daily rotation of the planet Mars. Well, if you were standing on Mars, guess what? The light exposure that you would be receiving from the sun, would be the same as that which you would get, if you were standing in a cave here on Earth. Why is this important? It appears to clearly suggest that the human race has some direct association with Mars--the reason why I believe Cameron is referencing Mars in the guise of Pandora. I refer back to the remote viewers and their description of 9 to 12 feet tall, blue-ish skinned beings, in relation to Mars, and the reason why the U.S. goverment has a vested interest in that.
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I wasn't sold before, but after that....just wow! I will be there day 1, Imax 3D. Looks AMAZING
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This one is going to flop and flop hard. Outside the inner circle of movie geeks, there is zero buzz for this movie with the mainstream moviegoing crowd. Watching this newest trailer with a roomful of the target audience recently, solidifies this. I think the trailer gives away far too much. It worked much better when there was a bit of mystery to it. Instead, we have cowboys & indians in space. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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This was a movie I have been waiting for since 2006, when I first found out about it. Having attended Avatar day, seen the teaser, and now this, I am no longer going to rush to see this. I have a bad feeling this movie is going to flop badly. It is the victim of its own hype. We were all promised something that would blow us away. The movie does look cool, but nothing like we were probably all expecting. I will definitely see this film, but not just in the hastely fashion I felt I was going to. I agree with you BEAKS, Lang looks like he is going to give the colonel character a great performance.
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no other word for it: "appears to clearly suggest that the human race has some direct association with Mars-" Fucking loopy.
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Oct 29, 2009 7:48:56 AM CDT
Where's the Tony Scott/Chippendale movie TB?
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Make it happen!!!
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"The only references in our culture come from the holy books" which were written by humans. Next?
The US Government doesn't have a "vested interest" in it at all anymore. Becuase it was found out to be a crock of shit and shut down! Are you reading anything anyone is writting or just having a conversation with yourself. You seem to take info you like the sound of and disgard anything resembling a fact or the truth. Don't know why I'm bothering!
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And why is he using subversive films to undermine the war effort in Iraq? This story, and more, coming to Fox News in December.
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About those hidden messages. Do Midichlorians actually represent Thetans? Is Padme a CIA sex slave? Are we Ewoks?
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Speak for yourself.
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....I'm just hoping the story and dialogue can deliver. I like the themes, but I agree that this trailer gives away far too much of the story, and some of the lines are corny: "This...this is our land!" "We're not in Kansas anymore." "Those savages are jeopardizing the whole operation." I hope the dialogue is a little less cliche.
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...and the Russians, are still running their programs in remote viewing...so I would assume that, we are receiving disinformation, in respect to the U.S. canceling its remote viewing programs. The Time Magazine article forced their hand to be more secretive about the operation. Can you imagine the military importance of Mars...if indeed those remote viewers were accurate? If we are related to said civilization...that would suggest they became a space ferrying race long before we did? Pyramids, BTW...are the most advanced structures ever created. You'll note, we have the nuclear bomb, we have been to the moon, sent probes to Mars, and past every major planetary body in our solar system...even sending a probe, or two, outside of our solar system, one with a recorded greeting to extraterrestials life, and yet, with all that technology and advancement, according to our own scientists worldwide, we do not possess the skill or technology to build a pyramid to the specs the pyramids in Egypt were built in? That suggests that a civilization far in advance of our own...built the pyramids. You see, Star Wars, Galactica, and in an abstract way, Avatar...are referencing the War of the Heavens, as written in the Bible. You'll notice that I mentioned the Angels? Star Wars is referencing the great fall of the Angels and so is Galactica. Glen Larsen admits it openly, George Lucas, however, avoids the subject matter directly, but the point of reference is obvious. BTW, the name, Star Wars comes from the Mayans, who claim they were visited by the gods (The Angels). "The Star Wars", is what the Mayans saw in the skies when meteor showers past overhead. It is very interesting that George Lucas, the same guy who came up with Raiders Of The Lost Ark (a film about the historical occult obsessed nature of the NAZIS...who were obsessed with the Angels, BTW--you'll recall Hitler wanting to create the perfect race(?), well, he was trying to mimic the look of the so-called Angels--tall/blond hair/blue eyes). Yes, Lucas turned to Mayan lore, again a people who claimed to have been taught by the gods (The Angels). Lucas used that lore for a reference...the term, The Star Wars, which he named his famed movie trilogy after? That guy knows something.
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You still spouting that bullshit dude? Just because Camerons part of a NASA Mars club? You didn't provide one link to your crap in the last TB and you really beleive Hollywood is above NASA and the Goverment, your either an idiot or your trying to be funny, which it is't.
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but it's still Ferngully II: The Revenge, with the color coding of Blue Navi => White Guilt. Does White Guilt still = box-office green? I have my doubts. At a +$200 million price tag, it may make a profit world wide, but this is not Titanic. And to be honest, there is nothing in this story I have not seen or read elsewhere done much better.
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piss of to http://www.disclose.tv/ you'll fit in there dude!
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Does blue symbolize guilt? I never heard that before.
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does that help?
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Looks like a video game. No doubt there some entertainment value there, but it doesn't excite me. Maybe it was the hype machine? I know they kind of backed off on it, cause there was some backlash. anyway, I support JC, and I hope it's good.
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Oct 29, 2009 8:25:24 AM CDT
Boy it sucks to be a Cameron hater right now
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The King is back and I couldn't be happier.
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Midichlorians? Our scientists are researching nano technology...from atoms...to junk DNA, to systems much smaller. Sometimes people, writers and filmmakers, who become aware of certain truths, hide it in story. BTW, did you know that according to quantum physics, the floor that you are standing on, does not exist...nor does the ceiling above your head, or the four walls that box you in your room? Everything that is matter, is made of light waves. When those light waves are slowed down, they form particles/gases...and that gives the illusion of matter as it swirls around, so fast that we perceive solidity. This is why some scientists refer to the universe as a holographic universe...as everything is made of light. It is as if this is some advanced computer program, our reality, that is, ala the Matrix? The is Quantum Physics for you, I didn't make it up, I am just reportng it to you. Again...research it for yourselves. You'll find that everything that I have said is accurate.BTW...do you know that plastic is alive, and even a rock--fact, all inanimate objects, as well as animate objects, are alive? They have atoms in them, all of us have atoms in us--the reason that we...have formed shapes that hold. Those atoms are alive. The universe is 13.5 billion years old. Every existing atom is between 13.5 years old and 5 billion years, and guess what, they don't age? Also, they make up most of our beings. Sounds like the eternal soul, right? Well, to add to that, Eistein said that "No energy ever dies, it just changes form"...and that "We share the space of our universe with another dimension." Sounds like the eternal soul, and the latter...Heaven? Again...Einstein said it, if you wish to attack him, go right ahead.
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I thought I read it was premiering at the Tokyo Film Festival? Did I misunderstand?
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Far more effective than the teaser. Less cartoony. The human element is pushed forward to great effect.
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Cause I heard that in 1980 Ronald Reagan and Clint Eastwood went spelunking in some caves out at Bohemian Grove and they apparently discovered an ancient Ewok manuscript deep within one of the caverns. This was apparently the talk of the Grove that summer, being quite a good read in between fisting the new Monarch children and the occasional lemonparty. No one outside those few is entirely sure of it's contents. Certain sources have come forward saying a certain "new guy" was at the Grove that very same summer, having recently vaulted himself into the presence of the worlds wealthiest Lizard-people. No one liked him much though it seems. He was reportedly "nerding-out" and "blabbing non-stop" about the manuscript these sources claim. Soon after, though no one is sure exactly when, the manuscript disappeared. Conveniently enough, the "new guy" was never invited back.
So using Occam's razor it's quite easy to see what really happened. They'll probably suicide me for even exposing this much. -
...I have to point out that life is characterized by several traits such as the capacity for homeostasis, metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli. The floor beneath your feet will do none of those things. Reel it in a bit there, fella....reel it back in....
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but then again, what was the last movie anyone saw that wasn't predictable.
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believe it. and the moon has an atmosphere and forests... you want pics? hey guess what... type the right words into google image search and at the right size and you can find all sorts of cool shit
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Aside from being a boiling cauldron of methane. Fool.
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You fucking idiot.
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you'r wrong. I'm not joking. venus IS just like earth
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I hope you're joking. "Venus has an extremely dense atmosphere, which consists mainly of carbon dioxide and a small amount of nitrogen. The atmospheric mass is 93 times that of Earth's atmosphere while the pressure at the planet's surface is about 92 times that at Earth's surface—a pressure equivalent to that at a depth of nearly 1 kilometer under Earth's oceans. The density at the surface is 65 kg/m³ (6.5% that of water). The CO2-rich atmosphere, along with thick clouds of sulfur dioxide, generates the strongest greenhouse effect in the Solar System, creating surface temperatures of over 460 °C (860 °F).[32] This makes Venus's surface hotter than Mercury's which has a minimum surface temperature of -220 °C and maximum surface temperature of 420 °C,[33] even though Venus is nearly twice Mercury's distance from the Sun and thus receives only 25% of Mercury's solar irradiance." Just like Earth.
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...stay tuned.
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But watching giant videogames doesn't emotionally engage me, and as someone else said, every piece of this story is something we've seen elsewhere, and a lot, from Ferngully to Dances with Wolves. This isn't going to be a monster hit. I bet domestically it tops out at $175.
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Damn whoever put this trailer together.
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It still seems like the serious version of 'War is the H word'.
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Oct 29, 2009 8:58:56 AM CDT
Wow,just checked out Media Messiah's postings
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Dude, can I have some and how much???
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that's the general mainstream science line... guess what.... it's bullshit.
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Oct 29, 2009 9:00:32 AM CDT
Dear god, that looked fantastic though
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
If film were a woman I just had love at first sight...
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You're winding me up, aren't you?
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Oct 29, 2009 9:02:17 AM CDT
To me this represents one of the greatest returns to cinema
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
ranks up with the year we got Lucas, Kurick and Malick back in one fell swoop. This has me more excited though.
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I'm actively involved with a group researching this. we have lots of good shit and it's all about exposing the lies. you're pesimism and acceptance of the nonsense nasa dishes is nothing compared to what i have faced in person. the truth is FAR more enlightening than the simple science-religious info you hold dear
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You're being serious.
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Fucking jet propelled sex cults, satanic porn, venusian ambassadors, venus is just like earth, We're all from mars originally, Christ.
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FOR A GODDAMN PERCENTAGE
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Where?
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fucking WEAK!!!
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But damn, JC is back. Me like.
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Didn't come back for FernGully 2: The Magical Rescue. Why did anyone think they'd come back for FernGully 3:The Floating Rocks? Cheech/Chong and Ton Loc maybe.
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The upper atmosphere of Venus is actually quite temperate. Remember Cloud City from The Empire Strikes Back? Well Bespin was a gas planet and Cloud City floated high in the atmosphere.
Theoretically, we could do the same in Venus' upper atmosphere. There is a problem of acid rain but in theory, the upper atmosphere of Venus could be colonised.
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I think that as far as the nerds are concerned JC has shot himself in the foot by sporting all sorts of overhyped shite prior to any footage being released.
Your common or garden cinema patron probably won't have heard all that - and could likely give less than a toss about 'performance capture.' As for JC's awesome Aliens dialogue - see if you can spot which Nam Vets' books he's borrowed whole lines from...
If Avatar isn't fun - it will fail. Geeks like us won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things. It's bums on seats that'll roll in the big bucks. (Unless of course you go see it every day after crawling out of your mom's basement.)
And MM you're as nutty as squirrel shit my friend. I've laughed my tits off at your Dan Brown secret code bullshit. By the way I've traced my family back to a Knight's Templar - does that mean I can secretly shoot lasers out of my eyes? You fucking septic fuckspoon.
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I was going to say something about AVATAR, but it sorta slipped my mind when all of a sudden the talkback took a sharp right turn into Crazyville. Venusians? Government conspiracies? Nazi Sex Cults? Good god, man, Life is not an issue of EC Comics. Adjust the settings on your tinfoil hat please.
Now, as to AVATAR...eh, it looks like fun, and you gotta respect Cameron's track record. I have three red flags at the moment.
1) Sam Worthington. I have no sense that the guy can act at all. T:S didn't help his case, nor anyone else's for that matter.
2)Giovanni Ribisi and Michelle Rodriguez seems really Burke and Vasquez-ish to me.
3)"This is our land!" It is? No, this is THEIR land, hombre. Who the fuck are you, new guy?
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I'm still not excited about Jimmy C's Fetal Alcohol Smurfs movie. I've got to agree with those who say the idea, and most of the images, looks borrowed or inspired from elsewhere, including some of Cam's own earlier, better work.
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Oct 29, 2009 9:24:47 AM CDT
Is it bad that Rickey will be rooting for the maines?
by rickey henderson
Come on now, those goofy blue man-cats really have no business taking up valuable rain forest real estate anyway. Rickey yearns for their dark mahogany.
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Another one. Yes, we could be just like cloud city. If I could be arsed I'd put up hundreds of links about temperature on venus rather than just cutting and pasting wikipedia. You're all nuts.
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In the Tim Curry role I don't really like. He's just not GIANT corporation meancing enough. They needed that guy from Speed Racer.
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Only showing very little of the film and just shots of the auidence in night vision just watching there eyeballs fucking explode, as they are getting that deep blue cat penetration.
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Too bad he had to put up with such a weak script.
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I'll email you pics
we live in a new world of very high quality photography, the moon is awash with colour, turquise mountains of vegitation, streams of volcanic plumes, and a whitish blue haze on it's horizon - which means the place has a fucking sky. as for venus, well... I don't know if you've ever taken the time to look up in the sky, but it's bouncing the sun... due in no small part to it's oceans. we only ever see a quarter or less of it at any given time. THAT planet has been buried by the scientific community, and good job too.... -
Sounds neato.
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This trailer, the renders, the character design and execution, it's flawless, and i haven't seen anything this good since Gollum. I'm there, opening day!
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It's true. And Titan has an atmosphere so it can be turned into a ski resort and since there is water on the moon, we can take the oxygen out of the water, send some carbon-filled missiles at it and release some nitrogen gas pockets under the surface and boom, the moon becomes habitable, complete with atmosphere, water and soil for growing crops.
Also, the reason Pluto was demoted isn't because it's smaller than another dwarf planet in the area, it's because the Voyager probe found evidence of alien colonies and so it was decided that in an effort to hide it, Pluto would be demoted from a planet to a dwarf planet in the hope that in the future, people will gradually forget about Pluto and not be inclined to ask questions.
This is all fact man! My friend's brothers dogs walkers husband worked for the Reagan administration and knows all about it. Also, the "Star Wars" defense system wasn't to protect against missiles, it was to create a satellite Super weapon that could destroy large objects such as motherships etc, essentially turning the Earth into a kind of "Death Star" but the Russians don't want the Americans to control the system which is why it hasn't been implemented.
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Oct 29, 2009 9:36:42 AM CDT
WE ONLY KNOW WHAT THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT WANTS US TO KNOW
by bringingsexyback
That much is true.
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I predict..98% of all in this Talkback are going into this movie. Don´t know why there is so much hate in here. You can´t do it better.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/10/26/is-james-camerons-avatar-actually-an-uncredited-rewrite-of-a-1957-poul-anderson-story/
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u know u cant either.
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I was like "Oh OK" when I saw the teaser. But now I am sold. I may not worship the ground Cameron walks on, but from a technical standpoint he knows how to make a good action film. Say what you will about dialogue or anything else, when it comes to the moments that make you go "Holy Shit" the man has delivered more than most. The whole "Fern Gully" snide remarks really show an utter lack in original or snappy take downs from the people who have decided to hate this film before they have seen it. My co-worker who is not stuck up about movies and knew nothing about this, saw the trailer all quiet, and when she saw Weaver she said "That's my bitch!" and then was sold by the end where they rolled out the hard sell and reminded everyone of the previous films he directed. This movie may not be HUGE. But in a year where utter shit like "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" can be a 400 million dollar domestic blockbuster (with a below 20% RottenTomatoes rating) anything is fucking possible. This movie is reminding me of "The Matrix" where I didn't know shit about the movie, the trailers really didn't show much, and I left the theater telling everyone how great it was. If this movie delivers the action it is said to, and the 3D is top fucking notch for once, expect this one to AT LEAST break 300 million here. If not, well at least Cameron tried at something instead of tapping back into the old well and milking something that was good before dry like his counterparts are doing.
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Yup count me in for some bluecatlady loving...
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Oct 29, 2009 9:45:06 AM CDT
There are two types of people in this world
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Conspiracy theorists and the rest of us normal people. I'd put conspiracy theorists behind religious nuts even. At least they have faith. Conspiracy theorists just meander around until they come across something crazy enough its just gotta be true to their inobjective minds. I wonder who thinks them up? That takes talent .
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since his Terminator is a fucking rip off,from the episode Soldier from The Twillight Zone.
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Oct 29, 2009 9:46:51 AM CDT
It is fucking pretty...but I'm going to see it before I judge.
by conspiracy
And no...it still looks CGI, the effects are cutting edge, but we are a long way off from Photo realistic people. This is only photo realistic to someone who plays HALO 24/7.Given that the trailer only promises a stale, told to many time story...I just hope that somewhere Cameron is hiding a big twist, or at least some top notch REALISTIC dialog,...I'll take realistic dialog over realistic effects any day, and it has been a long time since we've had that in a good sci-fi movie. Yes, a good script would make it a win for me.Thundersmurfs Hoooooooo!
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..yeah I know...he was "inspired" by two seperate stories written by Harlan Ellison that appeared on TZ- after a long legal battle- Ellison got a story credit on the film- but Cameron also tried to pass off the birth of the concept as "a dream" he had back then too.
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and geoff johns, best comic book writer at the scream awards? that is bullshit.
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cuz the sale of Blue Fun Fur is going to fucking skyrocket. Next Years Anime Expo in L.A. is going to be a real stroker that's for sure. James Cameron will be the Furries Jesus Christ
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i keep thinking the actors are live action?
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I said GOD DAYAMN! It just looks unfathomably cool! The more little glimpses I see of the facial animation, the more I'm blown away by it. I have no idea how to predict the box office, but as an out-of-the-blue guess I would say $250M domestic mostly because we just haven't had a big event film in awhile. Plus being an original story, if a familiar plot, should be refreshing to audiences as well.
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and he is The Last Airbender. I would rather watch Thundercats, frankly.
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episode "The Chameleon" staring Robert Duvall. Cameron has dipped into the Outer Limits well before, though in his defense he does steal from the best and that gives this movie a little hope. Not much, but a little. The whole "Dances with ThunderSmurfs" vibe is so weak, I am not anticipating this movie at all and will go more out of a sense of duty than anything else. Better yet, I might just stay home and re-watch "A New World."
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Yes I'm sure J. Cameron, either consciously or unconciously, started his story by reading that one. He has already admitted to basing Aliens on Starship Troopers. Though those two films are vastly different, they have many of the same situations and themes. I expect Avatar to follow in that vein.
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That looks great and I can't wait to see the film in its intended glory. Say what you will about Cameron but first admit that the guy knows what he's doing. And this is the kind of film event that should have film and genre fans stoked with anticipation.My eyeballs have morning wood.
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If Michell R & and the Na'vi totty get it on...
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I was going for the sounds like a foreigner approach on purpose uh, yea ya see.
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WTF, man?!
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a 2hr drive, so, for me there is no point in seeing it unless you have the full 3D effect. Otherwise it just looks like another ordinary SCi Fi action movie.
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The hidden meaning is Midichlorians represent living plastic?? I fear I'm just not smart enough to understand...
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I'm not expecting a "game-changer" anybody who says they're not somewhat interested is being a contrarian fanboy homo.
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I liked Lang in that episode of Law and Order where he played a German Anarchist.
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Oct 29, 2009 10:33:46 AM CDT
Re:it just looks like another ordinary SCi Fi action movie.
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
You give Drunken Monkeys a bad name.
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I think this could create a lot of headaches for Fox. The majority of people will see this in regular 2d and some, if they're lucky, will see it in regular 3D.
Now most cinemas across the world have no concept of the new 3D so don't be surprised to see them handing out red and blue glasses, which of course is not the same as the technology used on Avatar. -
...looks like I missed out on some awesome talkbackage over the past few hours.
Bendersshinyass is also the guy who, when asked to provide links to support his assertion that the Earth was housing a forming star in its center and that Venus was a lush paradise, said that the science is "so new" that it doesn't even exist on the internet yet.
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The scene when he's putting himself into the Avatar "tanning bed"- he moves his legs to straighten them out (without the aid of his hands). Fucking faker! Where's Frank Drebin when you need him?
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Your mind is a morass and that's pretty much where your Vietnam analogy ends.
Your problem can be summed up in the way you interpret the Russian Venus probe story. I didn't have to look that up, by the way. Anyone with an interest in astronomy and space exploration knows about it. Thing is, whereas everyone else knows the thing got fried from the heat, you choose to believe that it was either turned off or simply a fabrication from beginning to end. You only pick a handful of facts, disregard others, and then cobble together your fantasies.
Same goes for your ludicrous satano-porn beliefs. You accept everything that's said at face value as long as it comes from the most disreputable people imaginable. You don't compare claims on different sites. You remain within your comfort/twilight where there is NO critical thought whatsoever while at the same time telling yourself you are the ONLY person who thinks critically.
Didn't you also claim that Steven Spielberg's niece was abducted by aliens who were scared off by the Virgin Mary?
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Yes, the movie looks rad, but some of the dialogue snippets in this trailer strike me as a little cliche. Whatev, this will still probably rock my balls. Plan on seeing it on an Imax screen.
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It looks awesome!
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..."comfort/twilight zone"
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Get Walter on the case. He's seen a lot of spinals, Dude, and that guy's a fake. A fucking goldbricker.
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Oct 29, 2009 10:59:30 AM CDT
This will be the masterpiece that Phantom Menace never was!
by standundermyumbrella
Im calling it now!
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It has all the ingredients to become a cultural event and repeat viewings will be insane!
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Oct 29, 2009 11:06:08 AM CDT
IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT JAMES CAMERON'S INITIALS ARE J.C.
by bringingsexyback
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Oct 29, 2009 11:06:14 AM CDT
Regarding MM's theories on Venus and units of time...
by mr. nice gaius
...he's got to be joking, right? I mean, I know he's not...but can someone tell me he is? Same goes for BendersShinyAss. They make my brain hurt.
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If you live 100 miles or further away from an IMAX screen , fill up the gas tank and take a trip!
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the last time I thought I would literally be enjoyed after watching a trailer was The Dark Knight, and LOTR before that. Good action movies are very hard to come by these days. District 9 was merely decent. Also as for people saying this film is "preachy". Why the fuck did you wet your pants during District 9 then? That's about as preachy as you can get this side of a Paul Haggis directed flick. I think I'm going to be very entertained when I watch James Cameron's FIRST ACTION FILM IN 15 YEARS!
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Oct 29, 2009 11:08:38 AM CDT
I am skipping work that FridayMust see the midnight show! MUST!
by standundermyumbrella
Fuck ya!
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Which means I'll be watching this 40 times.
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Cameron built a sci-fi 'world' but this part doesn't compute.
So, apparently in the far future we figure out interstellar space travel (fucking huge breakthrough!), invent robotic exoskeletons and grow alien-human hybrids.....but, people who are paralyzed below the waist still rock 'wheelchairs'? WTF??
Besides the fact that not only would the main character could likely fix his paralysis with a 'future one-day-out-patient procedure', but he could sport an exoskeleton to help him walk. At least give the guy a flotation wheelchair type device. Wheelchairs are so 2009. -
Oct 29, 2009 11:10:56 AM CDT
AVATAR HAS A CHANCE TO BEAT (500) DAYS OF SUMMER FOR BEST MOVIE
by bringingsexyback
of 2009 in my book. Make it count, JC.
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He didnt move his legs you dumb fuck!
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Yes, in the future they have all sorts of technological wonders, but unfortunately, several centuries into the future, America still does not have an adequate health care plan. Sound far-fetched? It's like someone in the early 1900's watching a futuristic 2009 picture where people can watch talkies on tiny electronic devices called cell phones, and have fancy things called computers, "Yet you're telling me they still don't have adequate health care?"
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Excellent point.
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You may not make it out of the theater alive, with a brain blown to fucking pieces!
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Star matter.
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Just in case some wisenheimer believes opening his mouth whilst I watch my movie is an acceptable thing to do.
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Well, when you consider the complexity of the human body's spinal/nervous system and the severity of any number of injuries, I find it entirely plausible that a man could be paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair in Cameron's "sci-fi world".Do you happen to catch Stephen Lang's line about getting Sully's "real legs" back? Got to wonder what that's all about, eh?
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Technological development developing much faster than moral and spiritual human development. Just because humans may have the technology to end all human suffering, doesn't mean they will.
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A society that figures out traveling to other planets can, I'm sure hook up even the poorest, on future Medicaid, with a quick visit to their family doctor to fix that annoying paralysis right up with some cool future tech. In that type of society, fixing paralysis should be like getting an ingrown toenail fixed.
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Fuck that doomy gloomy movie ! So overrated its sickening!
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And he moves his legs! You're catching on!
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...And I know I'm not the only one. When I took my gf to see "Up" (yeah, I know), we both had to remove uour glasses to take a break from the movie, it was literally giving us both headaches. And when I saw Final Destination 4 by myself (agai, I know) I had to do the same thing again, and I noticed others doing the same. Am I really expected to suffer through 2.5 hours of that with this film only if I want to see how "awesome" it *really* is? I think I may get an aneurysm, lol. The most recent trailer I saw during Paranormal Activity elicited absolutely zero excitement from the other folks in the theater. In fact, there were some murmurs that the film looked just plain stupid. The look and character design of the Navi--cartoony CGI or not- is just all wrong, and yes, a little stupid looking. I just don't see how "3D" is going to change or help that. In fact, it may make it worse. -J.
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They have amazing battletech style combat robot-suits you can pilot around in, but crippled dudes still roll around in 1980's style wheelchairs. You mean to tell me they can't even figure out a way to build a bit black Commodore Pike chair with blue and red lights on it? FFS.
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That trailer was fucking brilliant. The battle scenes look incredible.
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JC has always been ahead of the curve.
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Our society IS a society that has figured out how to travel to other planets.
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Has anybody stopped and asked if he can afford surgery???No medical insurance , no new legs! Fuck thats so logical, dickheads!
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...that Cameron needed the character to be handicapped to service the plot, and in all the hub-bub in making the movie, call it tunnel vision, he likely missed the logic hole.
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is pretty fucking retarded alright!
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No medical insurance for veterans? Check.
Raping native cultures for their natural resources? Check.
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i lived through the 1980's and im not excited to see their return in avatar. that movie looks like a heavy metal video from the 80's. leather pants, headbands? lame as fuck
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What kind of sick bitch steals the ice cube trays from the freezer????
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Its a movie not a fucking documentary!Cameron can take artistic licence with whatever he want! Thats why its called science fiction. FICTION! Fiction! FICTION! Drill the FICTION part intoo your fucking heads!Altogether now! Science......F-I-C-T-I-O-N!
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Just looking up at the moon with the naked eye we can see there is no forests! And with the telescopes that people have at home now we can see pretty god pics from amatuer astromoners of mars venus and even saturn with a web cam type set up I watched on The Sky at Night, and not one of these showed forests or vegetation. Seems you need to go back to Disclose.tv with MediaMessiah dude, or as someone else pointed out gimme some of that shit your smokin!
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Reminds me of Michael Bays opening scene in TF2, showing a Bengal Tiger roaming the African Savannah.
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The same reasoning that in the future we should be able to cure people from being paralyzed, can be applied to people aging and people going bald. Not everything in the movie is going to be perfect.
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The future is entirely controlled by the GOP. Stem cell research has been banned, otherwise Worthington wouldn't be crippled. We are all so fucked.
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South Park absolutely needs to do a spoof of Avatar starring Timmy as the Worthington character.
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hmmm. i cant put my finger on it... oh yeah, this is just like the talkback for phantom menace! i wonder how long it will take for everyone to turn against this movie? will it be the day after opening day? or will it be at the end of the first week, when people start to realize that this movie adds nothing to modern cinema. that this has all already been done by george lucas and done better that cameron. cameron is far from a perfect film maker. true lies was a gerneric action movie. t2 was a generic action movie with an annoying teen side kick. abyss was an average scifi action movie. really, camerons whole reputation rests on teriminator 1.
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...where everything has been solved or cured by technology. It's like those ridiculous futuristic films or advertisements from the 50's when they predicted what the 21st century would be like. You don't know what it's going to be like...but it would foolish to assume that all of society's ills have been solved. Resources are dwindling, populations are exploding, new diseases may arise just like AIDS in the 80's which may require a massive re-allocation of health care resources, major global catastrophes (natural or man-made) may occur....or none of it may happen. But this ridiculous notion of how the future must be like the Jetsons where everyone drives flying cars, and the world is perfect, therefore someone in a wheelchair is too hard to swallow may represent your own unrealistic visions of the future.
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Oct 29, 2009 11:54:27 AM CDT
haha jesus! now it's the wheelchairs with you guys?
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
It's cause the new trailer fucking rules isn't? Fucking whiney babies. Fuck right off and let the rest of us enjoy movies. You don't fucking deserve them!
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But I figure Cameron has a mountain to climb, having to live down his "KING OF THE WORLD" moment...and the jealousy of others. I'm just glad that my favorite visionary is back!!! Merry Christmas to me!!!
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numerous times. And now in the trailer. The fact he can't walk is the main reason he joins the Avatar programme, the main plot motivation for Josh. Now when Lang tells him he can get him his "real" legs back that implys they will fix him, so he couldn't afford to be fixed without them maybe?Now the fact he's in a shit wheelchair and not some hoverpad type thingy, I think may link with something Cameron said in the New Yorker interview, apparently Pandoras gravity/magnetic field fucks up some machines, I think they do have Lasers and such in this universe but all the machinery has been "retrofitted" for Pandora, "It's just an excuse to do Helicopters vs Dragons" Cameron admitted. So I think maybe he has to use that shitty wheelchair on Pandora!!
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and your posts are below average at best.
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How are you superior today???
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Oh goodie yet another movie were the greedy humans (as stand ins for Americans) just take what isn't theirs and ruin the environment while they are at it, local population be damned. Sigh. My excitment for this just went to zero.
Oh, and it looks like a cartoon. Oh and if our governments keep up like they are now, in the future 20 million will get you a loaf of bread....maybe....if it doesn't run out, and you have time to wait in line. -
and watch the fun as hypocritical fools who find the disabled fair prey suddenly come out screaming about bad taste.....
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have u seen the fucking trailer?.there is a scene where lang tells to sam,that if he completes his mission,he will get back his legs,his REAL legs.he obviously refers to his human legs,not that of the navi,which means that they do have the technology to heal paraplegic people.
in fact that technology is already known,its the technology where they clone the navi hybrid for sam,and can trasnfer his mind into a new body.what stop them from cloning sam a new human body and transfer his mind there? the technology is there already.
Its obvious from Lang's statement about sam taking back his REAL legs,that theres something more with sam's disability,than what we think.
For instance maybe he did something bad,maybe he was responsible for an accident which caused the lose his legs (and maybe the death of other soldiers) and the army didnt allow his treatment for punishment.
Or maybe he is the unlucky victim of an accident or a battle,but his era is controlled by Mega-corporations who dont value the lives of simple troops,not until they need them.(rember the start of the trailer with the two suit guys) -
let me count the ways...
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You are on the verge of taking over lockesbrokenleg for the title of AICN's most annoying and useless bore. But the day is still young...
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For fuck's sake people!!! shitty dialog? do you mean to tell me that you are judging the quality of the dialog in a 3+ hours movie, based on a 2 minutes, 3-4 lines of dialog?? are you serious?? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIUS@@!!!
And you call yourselves fucking movie geeks? God damn people!!! get your shit together and stop trying to be cool by dismissing a movie based on a fucking trailer!!
You do know that sometimes studios put dialogs and scenes in trailers that do not make the final cut, right?
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and it has nothing to do with the wheel chair. you guys are shooting yourselves int he foot. you all rave about how awesome this movie will be. then you all bitch and complain about stupid semantics. self destruction CAN be funny!
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each new film brings more cotton into his mouth. How many more films until his voice becomes an impossible to understand garbled mess. Drink something, have your esophagus stretched. For godsakes stop talking like that, it's creepy and annoying!
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Or maybe yeah, the technolgy is there, but is too fucking expensive (as managed by greedy corporations) for a poor schmuck with no insurance and living with a military pension. That makes absolutelly total sense to me.
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why don't you regale us all with your favorite joke about someones race?
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is trying to change his ways. its not working, but hey, give the guy a chance. me, on the other hand? i'm a bore because i have a different opinion? so, when you turn against this movie and start slamming it in december, then i won't be a bore anymore? ill be cool like you and all the other sheep?
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Why do they have salad at an italian wedding...... To keep the flies away from the bride. Good enough? Or better yet, got any retard jokes???
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It WILL win Best Picture.
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footage into trailers to get people to come to the movie. so, if the dialogue sucks and the imagery looks like revenge of the sith then thats it. thats what your going to get.
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Give me a substantial reason why I will "turn against this movie and start slamming it in december"?As for your opinion, you are entitled to it. Completely and without complaint. However, to go around calling everyone else sheep or to poorly assess Cameron's career and influence as you did in your post marked 11:50:44 AM = bore.
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What do you get if you cross a Polack with a chimp? An untrainable chimp.... Wait, does that count as a retard joke?
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...he wouldn't post here anymore.
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not good enough. not funny at all. how about another?
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Don't you have people to club and bones to eat! Your hate will not sway the now, slightly intrigued consensus.
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Thankee sai
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Nerd Rage has the sense of humour of Nixon, post-watergate, after he's been kicked in the nuts and checkers has shat on his moms photo.....
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Oct 29, 2009 12:16:13 PM CDT
Mr. Nice Gaius, youll turn just like everyone else
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
did against the star wars prequels. in my earlier post, i compared this movie to phantom menace. everyone was excited and raving about phantom menace, before it came out. then after it came out everyone magically changed their opinions. i am predicting the same will happen to avatar. because the avatar trailers look EXACTLY the same as the star wars prequel trailers.
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Fuck off cameron you big headed git,;ucas beat you to this shit years ago with JAR JAR.
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haha your welcome dude. But apparently I don't deserve this name according to Nerd_Rage!
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what do you know about nixon or mexicans? your clearly not an American. you are talking about shit that you have no clue about. you are the only troll here. and i feel sorry for you. charyoutree, are you sure you want to side with this guy? have you read his posts? i slam avatar. thats my worst offense and if you people can't deal with it then fuck off and go circle jerk somewhere else. i won't let the sheep rule AICN! if you dont like my dissenting opinion, then Fuck You! hahaha
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Oct 29, 2009 12:22:18 PM CDT
the trolls team up against me, but i will survive!
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
charyou tree, you don't deserve that name. you are a little boy. NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks. you are just a loser.
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to dis avatar. hahahah. the circle jerk is ending! fuck avatar. george lucas owns you all!
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Oct 29, 2009 12:24:50 PM CDT
RE:what do you know about nixon or mexicans?
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Nixon was a cunt and mexicans ride donkeys and make hiccup sounds like those old looney toon crows right?? Close enough.
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I'm sure by this point in the story he has passed some ritualistic test, or saved some Navi's life, and has been accepted into the "tribe." Pretty common element in movies, where a "native" culture adopts the outsider.
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but, NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks hates everyone who is not white...
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Steve Jablonsky rules.
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You ARE Funny, sorry man(?) I had you pegged wrong.
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thats who you have teamed up with. proud of yourself?
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Oct 29, 2009 12:27:08 PM CDT
umm, no, I'm actually 1/2 aboriginal
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
but that doesn't count right. Oh wait maybe I'm a self-loather.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:27:40 PM CDT
Looks good but I hope the PC bullshit is kept to a minimum
by darthvedder81
Some of the "social commentary" looks to be about as subtle as a kick to the nads. Do we really need another "evil white men/corporation goes up against the indigenous peoples" subplot? Things are never that cut and dry.
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I just love jokes you fucking simple petty fool.
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Yes, we have telescopes that can 'prove' that forests and ancient civilizations do not exist on the moon, and amateur backyard astronomers have had the capability for over a hundred years to detect this. However, in 1621 the Illuminati met in Bern, Switzerland to create world standard for optical lenses that would detect when the lens was pointed towards 'embargoed' areas, and then it would enact a series of protocols to either completely obscure the desired area, or to redirect the lens to show an Illuminati approved depiction. I am privy to this knowledge because it was given to me during a conversation I had with an African pygmy mouse while taking a life altering shit 20 years ago. Yes, this puts me in mortal danger relaying this information, but I felt it was needed to set the record straight.
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I will never forgive that bastard for the bullshit "Friday The 13th" remake score. It ruined the pacing of the entire film. Parts that should have been enhanced by music were left silent. And the film didn't have any memorable pieces of music. It didn't even at all use any of the Manfredini score of the original. I know that stuff was never great music, but it's a part of those films that you can't ignore. I was underwhelmed and I really hope that he learned his lesson and uses the iconic "Nightmare on Elm Street" music when he scores that film.
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I'm probably around the same age as you I presume, from you saying you lived through the 80's? And you are Trolling, I don't go to other threads about shit I don't give 2 fucks about and bitch about a movie I haven't seen.
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You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions there, dude. First of all, people were stoked for TPM because of two things: the return of the STAR WARS franchise and a kick-ass trailer (cue the image of Darth Maul igniting a double-edged lightsaber). It took the actual experience of the movie to temper their understandable enthusiasm. That being said, Cameron has a better track record as a director than Lucas. Couple that with the incredible visuals and you've got some legitimate expectations.Now, you are entitled to your prediction and it's very possible that it may come true. But it's not going to stop people from looking forward to seeing this movie. And if they think it sucks afterwards, I'm sure they will say so in Talkback. (We've seen it here before.) I think you just want to hate on this film for the sake of it...which is really petulant and lame.Quote: "...the avatar trailers look EXACTLY the same as the star wars prequel trailers."Ummm, no.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:31:48 PM CDT
Don't worry charyoutree, he first accused me of that
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
with BringingSexyBack and Lockes' when all I did was find a joke funny that he didn't. You see with our special little friend, race is off the table but the disabled are fair game. Can you spell hypocracy????
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i never asked where you were from or what race you are. i don't care. your just an asshole for making fun of other races. especially ones that you know nothing about. that is just ignorant. i'm done talking to you. you are a dumb, boring cunt. and p.s. you and charyoutree are the only trolls in this talkback.
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i've been around this site long enough to have seen you doing exactly that. bullshit.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:34:42 PM CDT
Mr. Nice Gaius thats what he does, thats all he does
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Make dumb-ass assumptions, I mean I laughed at Monty Python and the Holy Grail so by his standards I hate the british.
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I found The Gods Must be Crazy stupid shit,and in Schindlers List I didn't like Germans.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:38:59 PM CDT
My strength is failing me, this Troll is too Powerful
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I'd like to see Nerd Rage Vs The Leprachaun. Wait, was that a midget joke? I'm so sorry everybody, it'll never happen again.
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im not allowed to slam this movie based on the trailer? so, all those talkbackers who were slamming transformers 1 and 2 based on the trailers are trolls? all those talkbackers who slammed gi joe based on the trailer are trolls? i could list a dozen movies that were slammed on this site long before the movie ever came out. i guess this whole site is filled with trolls. wait, i dont have to guess. i know.
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to flame someone. that automatically makes you a troll.
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http://bit.ly/15e2Y3
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Bendersshinyass is right!
I typed in "venus" in Google image search and look what I found!
http://tinyurl.com/yzozh6g
http://tinyurl.com/yhudlpp
http://tinyurl.com/yhgjopu
Hot black women in bikinis! Giant man-eating plants! Peter O'Toole!
Remember folks, this is CUTTING EDGE SCIENCE! TOO NEW FOR THE INTERNET! -
It's odd to me. That film raised the bar with regards to what action films should be going forward from it's release. I don't know a single person who dislikes that film. And it has stood the test of time. Personally, I prefer "Aliens" to both T1 and T2. But I can say I have enjoyed nearly all of his movies. T1 and T2 can't even be compared because 1 is really a horror film, while 2 is straight up action the same way Alien is pretty much a horror film while Aliens is straight up action. The hate for "True Lies" is getting old. Cameron obviously wanted to make a good old fashion action movie that did not have a sci-fi bent that would appeal to a broad audience. And it succeeded in that respect. It's not a fave, but from a technical/action standpoint, it delivers. And "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" and many other over the top action films have been obviously influenced by it. Finally, "Titanic" is not my cup of tea. But as a film it is not terrible. The whole retconning of history after the fact to paint this film as unwatchable is FOOLISH. There is a reason it made over 600 domestic in 97-98 and it wasn't all Leo. Because if it was, everything he did immediately after would have made the same money. The story, and the actual sinking of that ship resonated with North America at a time where going to the movies was all about a good night out. Now with blogs and the internet, there are a lot of know it all jerks who hate everything and are waiting to suck the fun out of things for everyone else. Yeah many on this thread are guilty of OD'ing on the hyperbole. But it's because of their genuine excitement. Granted "Avatar" may not be the savior of 2009, but let people anticipate it without being a dick about it. It's been a rough year for action films, and a really weak few years for sci-fi films. If you can't see why people are amped up, then I don't know what to say to you.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:51:17 PM CDT
I teamed up with BSB, he made the joke,
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
we all just kinda wound up together like a Nerd_Rage-baitin melting pot.
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For I second I feared you may have been serious, nothing would suprise me in this TB. And Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength you maybe right I'll admit I used to do it for a laugh when I first joined, then I grew up. But now I may bitch but it's for a reason. and with movies I'm intrested in. You've stated your reasons numerous times, and I think only one or two were valid if I remember, so crawl back under your bridge. And as for "siding" with NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks, err how? and So what if I have? He can tell whatever jokes he want's, I ain't no PC moral flag waver.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:54:23 PM CDT
Mr. Profit your wasting your breath
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
he hates even the thought of this succeeding.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:56:45 PM CDT
CharyouTree, I didn't even type the joke that offended him so
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I just stuck up for BSB's right to blindly offend anyone. All comedy is offensive to someone. THATS WHY ITS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!
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Did I say that you were not allowed to slam this movie based on the trailer? Show me where I said that. Or better yet, try these on for size:Quote: "hahahah. the circle jerk is ending! fuck avatar. george lucas owns you all!"Quote: "i won't let the sheep rule AICN!"Simply put, that is why you are a troll.
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so, now your just pretentious and aloof? your trolling, you "just did it for a laugh and then grew up"? oh, well you are so evolved and mature! i have seen you trolling very recently (just the other day actually) so don't be offended when i say that you are completely and totally full of shit. it is so ironic that you are trying to take the high road! hahaha, crawl back into your basement and go jack off to pictures of megan fox.
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A wheelburro.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:02:03 PM CDT
Your no longer worth an original thought,so heres a repost!
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Whatever you do, don't watch any Python, Seinfeld, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor, or South Park. I doubt that your fragile sensibilities are even able to handle an episode of Hogans Hero's. If only life were as simple as you are...
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Oct 29, 2009 1:02:50 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
`HHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....... I'm sleepy.
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I don't think it looks like a cartoon... but even if it did, so what? There's nothing wrong with animation, and a cartoon from Cameron would be a better, more adult movie than TRANSFORMERS 2.
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if you werent dissing me for slamming this movie based on the trailer that what are you bitching about? that i have an opinion that differs from the sheep? apparently on aicn, having your own opinion makes you a troll. not surprising actually. when the only normal person on this site gets called a troll while exploring a troll cave (aicn).
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A Dry Martinez.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:06:52 PM CDT
Whats funnier than nailing a dead Mexican to a tree???
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Ripping him off. Actually thats a dead baby joke but I didn't want to dissapoint our friend.
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page.it says is not available in my country.are they fucking serious? they even restrict the viewing of fucking trailers? jesus
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Oct 29, 2009 1:08:49 PM CDT
What do you call a mexican driving a car?
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Thief.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:09:40 PM CDT
What do you tell a woman with two black eyes????
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Nuthin,you already told her twice.
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let the eye rapping commerce now.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:10:25 PM CDT
Last One...Why do women fake orgasms???
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Because they think we care.
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its turned on,its not turned on,its turned on,its not turned on,its turned on,its not tuned on,...
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Please re-read my posts and quit trying to be dense. Your "nerd rage" is quickly succumbing to retardedness.
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a transformers 2 fan. no, wait. i have more respect for a transformers 2 fan. oh, i just realized! t2! transformers 2 = terminator 2. they are about the same level of quality...
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with the amazing speed of 40kbits/s.
who said that the movie is going to flop? who? -
And he laughed out loud at the dialogue."... to make a difference!""damn savages...""they're right on top of the motherload...""this is OUR land"He said the action scenes looked like they would blow him away but the story is totally retarded. These are the first impressions of someone who has not been following Avatar with bated breath for multiple years, and the impact was pretty mediocre all told. Why, Jim, why couldn't you rejigger the story into something less weepy and saccharine? For God's sake a ten-year masterpiece by the director of T2 and Aliens should not have its polemical thunder stolen by WALL-E! This film is already so frustrating.
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The biggest story inconsistency laugh riot in Transformers 2 (one of MANY) was the hilarious scene at the Smithsonian.
The characters walk outside some secret back door of the Smithsonian, out to....a big ass air field, with mountains on the horizon. At the Smithsonian museum. In fucking Washington D.C.
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haha, yep see I can admit when I'm wrong, I admit had a few names as I kept getting banned, but then I realised how shit and unfunny it actually gets, and I mean the whole of this site, I mean I'm here arguing with you, some tit on the other side of the world and I really can't be assed, I have other things to do, and when was I trolling recently, the Where the wild things are thread? Where I said all's Max needed was a fucking smack? Which I stand by and defended in my 2 other posts? And Nomore "All comedy is offensive, Thats why it's funny" I couldn't agree more.
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To call T2 = Transformers 2 shows you for the Troll-like baiter you really are.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:19:56 PM CDT
Mr. Nice Gaius, the what are you bitching about?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
i did reread your post. what the fuck are you complaining about? when i read your post, you are bitching about the fact that i think this movie will suck, based on the trailer, which sucks. so, why am i wrong in my personal opinion? (and before you tell me to take my personal opinion somewhere else, realize that you and everyone here are posting their own personal opinion)
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I've already stated that I'm not excited about this one anymore, which unfortunately puts me on the same, ummm, side as Nerd_Rage_Whatever....but come on man, Transformers 2 is the same level of quality as Terminator 2. I officially change my opinion, this is going to be the shit. Anyone that wrong, cannot be right about this.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:25:56 PM CDT
Jurassic Park T-Rex R O A R is so fucking gay
by trannyformers_apologist
Why does everything about this movie suck donkey balls?Who in there right mind would want to live vicariously through a furry ballerina?
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and this is the only screen name that i use or have ever used. so, you think your better than me. fuck you.
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t2 sucks because there is a comedy teen side kick.
t2 sucks because there is comedy sidekicks aimed at teens.
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Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength - I said you were completely entitled to you opinion (stupid as I think it is). Calling the people who like what they see and are looking forward to this movie, "sheep", makes you a troll.Let me know if you need further clarification.
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you fucking hypocrite! look at what you've posted here, you ignorant fucking loser.
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I actually enjoyed Transformers and Transformers 2, but I can still see that it is sophomoric, adolescent nonsense, and I certainly don't hold them up as masterpieces or even good films.
Oh and you can't really say a movie will be good or bad based on a trailer, you can only measure how excited it makes you to see the movie - which tells you how good the marketers are, not how good the movie is going to be. Seriously how many craptastic movies have there been with trailers that made it seem like it was going to be the best thing ever?
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Anybody who has ever seen "Last Exit to Brooklyn" will have a hard time seeing Stephen Lang as a "bad ass"...
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Oct 29, 2009 1:32:43 PM CDT
Mr. Nice Gaius, i never asked for any clarification
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
and i'm calling people sheep because they are calling me a troll simply because i am expressing an opinion that is different from theirs. got it?
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So much eye candy I'll get diabetes in my brain. Hope the story is good.
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sidekick in that movie.something that turned more obvious in T3.ah nerd your opinion is wrong,even if it is correct.
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Arnie was the comedy kick,dont believe me,check the deleted scenes from the movie for the solid proof.or watch the DC version,which have them.
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I got banned for disagreeing with Mori, and I have not once said I am better than you, now I'm done being polite fuck off. Troll.
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Even if its hypocracy the shoe fits...
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Apart from the 3D, the CGI doesn't seem much advanced from the Star Wars prequels. I can take or leave the plot, but that's never been Cameron's strong suit.
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"ah nerd your opinion is wrong,even if it is correct."
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Oct 29, 2009 1:37:32 PM CDT
Nobody should slam the film based on a trailer
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
You don't get that right until you have seen the movie. Guess it's ok to not go and see it based on a trialer though...ok. As you were.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:38:01 PM CDT
Coincidentally I was banned for finding an empty talkback
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
and filling it with Dirty Jokes.
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CharyouTree and NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks.
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Thank god for cheap mexican labour.
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Yes, you did and I gave it to you. Are you really having this much trouble keeping up with the conversation or are you so offended by people calling you a "troll" that you just can't take it?
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You can still tell it's CGI? BRAVO! Nothing gets past you! They're fucking BIG TALL SKINNY BLUe PEOPLE WITH THE FEATURES OF CATS and JAGUARS! What the fuck else could they be but CGI??? They move too fucking well to be puppets or prosthetics!!! But the lighting, rendering and performance capture is fucking 1:1 and photorealistic! Just look at that shit! Look at the trees! Look at the forests! Look at the fucking level of detail! Want to know what a video game looks like??? Then look at the Avatar video Game! There is a fucking videogame! Now use your powers of observation and tell me how they look exactly like each other. You FUCKING LIARS! You didn't bother looking did you?! Admit it, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about! Next you're gonna tell me that all the robots and aeroplanes are CGI too, right? Fuck man I never would've realized it! I actually thought that they built all that shit with the help of a bunch of smart Japanese people from Sony. You assholes are SIMPLY WRONG! The effects are photoreal! The rendering and lighting is photoreal! The Na'vi and Avatars are the most convincing CG characters to date! The only thing fucking unreal is the gigantic leap forward that this movie is! But it is REAL! I can see it for myself! And you are a bunch of liars!
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Oct 29, 2009 1:40:47 PM CDT
You know whats sad? Avatar won't make anything close to what TRA
by stefan2789
i am not trying to talk shit, i really want to see avatar, but i also liked transformers....take from that what you will.....
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your definitions of troll are wrong. trolls say shit they don't mean to get a reaction. believe me when i say that i mean everything i say in this talkback. avatar is a rehashing of the star wars prequels, but with worse dialogue and worse story telling.
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"Punch it!"
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and me now for trolling you...I'll get my coat.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:43:00 PM CDT
i asked you Mr. Nice Gaius, what are you bitching about?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
answer me. or are you too stupid to follow the conversation? trolling, asshole.
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Thank god for cheap mexican labour.
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that "avatar is a rehashing of the star wars prequels" then you are not a troll. YOu are a fucking idiot, man! Because why? it's got cgi? haha you should have gone with troll
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in this fucking world,but we are only going to spill our tears for the sad happenings of some blue computer generated characters in a movie.the magic of cinema and all this crap...
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they would beat the shit out of these mechs and aliens...you know its true...avatr looks cool though
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Oct 29, 2009 1:44:54 PM CDT
Trollin Trollin Trollin. Keep Those Nerdies Trollin
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Trollin Trollin Trollin TrollHIIIIDDDE!
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Some of you are butthurt because of all the passion you put into the Star Wars prequel trailers and didn't get the return. Now you'll never learn to love again... Boo Hoo... Nobody wants to cuddle with you! You want sympathy, you're not going to find it here, this ain't a group therapy session for your lost fanboy dreams. This is about Avatar fucking my eyeballs this Christmas! Stop bringing your problems in here to spoil everyone elses and bring them down to your pathetic levels just so you can feel better. Stop living in the past! Look to the future! And that bright colourful glorious 3-D future is Avatar!
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your posts make no sense at all. very random. its hard to respond to your nonsense
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Hard sell to Americans. See the Battle for Terra. The effects look cool, but hardly groundbreaking. This really isn't living up to the hype.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:46:01 PM CDT
ominus...Hey man the last thing we want is levity
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Lets go troll shootin.
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looks like more and more avatar haters are posting here. wonder what that means?
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Oct 29, 2009 1:48:01 PM CDT
JC gave up mopre than his american citizenship on 2004
by lavatory love machine
I think that when Bush won the 2004 election he gave up more than his american citizenship, he gave up on mankind, like me, that's why on his movies from now on humans as a group will be the bad guys and aliens/robots the good guys
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obviously a lie. mcdonalds would never hire you.
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Those Mexican workers aint gonna whip themselves right???
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And by 'roommate' you mean inflatable party doll, why dont you show the clip to your lover? Because your hand doesn't have any eyes!
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I've been here for a good 5-6 years now and I've not once been called a troll. Cheers, it's like my first, "First"
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Oct 29, 2009 1:49:52 PM CDT
Actually I work in an Operating Theatre
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Scary huh???
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the troll is finally leaving. good. what a douche bag. NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks, have fun shoveling pig shit.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:51:02 PM CDT
Nerd_Rage, way to dodge the question!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
I like it. Ok is this much easier to understand...
Avatar. Star Wars? How? -
Quote: "what are you bitching about?"I told you hence the clarification, dummy. You're not even trying now, are you?
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I just impregnate their daughters..
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for being a troll. same thing, dumb ass. p.s. everyone calls each other troll here. you know why? because everyone here is a troll. idiot. you would know that if you had actually been at this site as long as you say.
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Oct 29, 2009 1:53:28 PM CDT
Twas fun, alas the sick and dying need my compassion
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I just hope none of them are ethnic.
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Quote: "avatar is a rehashing of the star wars prequels, but with worse dialogue and worse story telling."HA HA HA HA HA!!!TROLL!!!
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its impossible to reply to you because you make no fucking sense.
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lol, i just wanna see what this starts....
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On dialogue,in case you didn't notice, this is a bunch of out of context dialogue, chosen for it's simplicity to put into a trailer meant to be as general and mass marketable as possible. You have not seen the movie, so shut the fuck up about this because it's fucking worthless to even consider thinking about, let alone discussing it.And about this wheelchair thing. You do realize that today you can get electronic wheelchairs and shit, but unless you're too old, a lot of young paraplegics DO NOT BOTHER USING THESE THINGS! They WANT a regular wheelchair so they can use their hands and their own power to move around. WHY you wonder??? Because unlike lazy sons of bitches nerds like you, these people who lose their legs want to feel useful, in control, want to exercise and move around under their own muscular power. It's therapeutic, both physically and psychologically and makes them feel better about themselves. So maybe, just maybe, Sam Worthington's character Jake, who is a cocky show off marine, also follows the same principle and is too proud to settle for some floating hoverchair and wants to stay in shape and show he's not some dependant retard. Don't any of you assholes ever consider these things before complaining about your visions of the future and especially before complaining that James Fucking Cameron doesn't know how to write and create human characters??? The fucking irony!
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SOME humans are bad guys. Western thought is a double-edged sword, that's a theme found in a lot of sci-fi. For all our talk of civilization and progress, we have the capacity to engage in brutal and unjust behavior. But that goes to the core of human nature. This idea wasn't invented in 2004. Christ, the planet in the movie is called "Pandora"-- how much more of a clue do some of you people need?
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"avatar is a rehashing of the star wars prequels, but with worse dialogue and worse story telling."
i stand by that statement. its all true. you would know it, if you were not dumb. -
i'm sure its gonna look incredible but i'm not very excited at all maybe its that damn kid from boiler room, i dont know.
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avatar = phantom menace.
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Cameron's movies are fun, and that's all I expect from them. I just wish the visual style didn't remind me of Halo- keeps pulling me out of the story and making me want to throw a sticky grenade.
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that apparently the wheelchair will ruin this movie for the avatar fans. hahahahah!! there is so much other shit wrong with this movie to complain about! avatar looks like an mtv video from 1985.
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Yet a super screensaver is not enough! Is the story STRONG? Actors picture perfect?
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For someone who hasn't seen AVATAR yet, you couldn't look more foolish.And yet with each subsequent post...
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I didn't get banned for trolling I got banned for questioning Mori and the integrity of this site And yes there are alot of trolls here but heres the breaker, some of them are fuckin funny you moron, you aren't. You know I just realised why your doing all this, do you know really? Because your starved for attention, just like that Locke tit, your loving all this attention all these people talking to you for once. You want to make a little name for yourself on this site. From now on I am not giving you what you want, ok your not a troll I admit, your just a tit.
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last 2 points, this movies has lots of problems and the same hype like phantom menace, unfortunalt probably same result, good but nowhere near the hype..
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i believe would have been the essential example for Cameron,to show us that cgi technology has finally evolved to that point,that we cant distinguish the fake Neuteri from the real Ripley.
and not that shit with fights between mechs,human marines,dragons and alien natives.
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now go outside and get some sun and exercise, you pitiful excuses for human beings.
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for slamming this movie based on the trailer? i thought you said you were not doing that? you are circling around on your own argument. you appear to be full of shit. not surprising really.
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it happened on terminator/terminator 2 and the abyss but now it's more pronounced on his movies: on this one to do the right thing is to kill humans
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jesus h christ,that trailer must have broken some download record.
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you are one of those idiots who "questions the integrity of this sit"? fuck! hahha are you also one of those idiots who posts things like "this story came out yesterday! aint it slow news"? shit! that is worse than being a troll!
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being that there is no longer anything relevant to avatar being discussed, figure we talk some FOOTBALL!!!!
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There is no way in the world you are this stupid. You have GOT to be putting me on. Fucking hell, man.1) How is AVATAR a "rehash" of the STAR WARS prequels?2) How do you know that is has "worse dialogue and worse story telling"?Please answer these questions and try to keep in mind that you have only seen the trailer and not the movie.Let's see if you can rise above your own bullshit.
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Tired, massively-overblown, wooden dialogue-laced, kid's cartoon. This is the reason I walked out of both Transformers movies. Even Megan Fox's perky cones couldn't excite me enough to stay past the halfway marks of either of those films. Sorry, not feeling this at all. I'll see it - sure - probably in its fifth week, but really couldn't CARE LESS.
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this movie will rule
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are fucking lying bitches, all of who say u wont see this till the fifth week (guy grand), u are a lying bitch, for all of you who say you walked out of movies like transformers, u r lying bitches, if you didnt like it thats one thing, but dont try to be all hard about saying how you walk out of movies, ive seen lots of bad movies never walked out other than that one time with serenity...so again, all of you who claim to things stated above, u r all lying bitches! BYE BYE.
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ok the dialogue is a bit lame,and i cant help it but when he starts the 'This is' line,i am ready to hear the Sparta word.and i am not even fan of the 300 movie.
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AND INSTANT BADASSNESS!
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visually avatar is a rehashing of the star wars prequels. the trailer looks like it came right out of Revenge of the Sith. looks the same as the battle on Kashykk. the dialogue in the preview sounds way more clunky than the dialogue in phantom menace. and the story synopsis (from the trailer and online versions of the synopsis) sounds trite and heavy handed. the bad evil "civilized" people will ruin the lives of the perfect and peaceful tribal people. and the one civilized person will champion and save the tribal people. been there, done that, to many times to count. its a played out story.
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Or Trannyformers or Nerd Rage, if you prefer that. You sound like a whiny bitch. It looks great. And can anyone else in the world make 10-foot tall blue aliens look more "realistic" because I'm really wondering the last time you saw one walking around at Kroger where you go to buy your tampons. I think it'll be great. Sure, the story's been done in a way before, but so has everything. This is just an interesting way to reframe it. The most talented CGI animators on the planet worked like crazy, and I think it paid off.
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I work at a rental house in the Valley and we supply Avids to James Cameron for Avatar. We have been for the last year and a half or something (apparently, Big Jim has rented or bought just about every Avid in town) and the tech guys come back from his house and tell us stories (what they're allowed to anyway after sighning a 15 page non-disclosure agreement). They've seen a SHIT TON of Avatar footage (in 3-D) and they're telling me you guys are going to be blown the fuck away. They say they've never seen CGI that good. According to one guy here (who does CGI work himself) the effects work looks so good it will take the rest of Hollywood 3 years to catch up to him. He said at one point he was watching a scene and turned to one of the animators and said "hey, is that make up?", and the guys said "nope, that's my work. I just rendered that". Our tech COULD NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE. He was also clearly buzzing about what he's seen. Also, interesting, all the editors work in little Tiki huts situated around Cameron's pool so whenever they need a break they just go take a dip and then get back to work. Pretty cool. they also say James is really nice to them because "they know there shit". Big Jim don't suffer fools well.
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plus, the inherent bullshit of the concept that it has to be the civilized hero who will save the tribal people. which says that the tribal people cant save themselves. like dancing with wolves or the last samurai.
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Please read my last post. I swear to God i am not making any of this shit up.
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obviously you haven't been around as long as you think then. Or you'd know this site has had some dodgy moments, I can't remember exact ones because frankly I don't give a shit, it's a movie website! So what. And Mori was just a tit at times, and the scriptgirl bullshit, was a riot. I don't know why I was banned. I may not have even been banned, it may have been an ip error, which happened to me before. Now I know your trying to keep me baited typical trolling and you know I'm right about "You want to make a little name for yourself on this site" but don't worry I'll still talk too you, you forget, I said you were right with some points regarding avatar, but then you just trolled on, being a prick, but don't worry I'll pay attention to you. Just try and be a little funnier, please?
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you should read the posts before you talk. i never said anything about the realism of 10 foot tall blue cat people that wear leather pants and headbands with feathers stuck in them.
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"yeah... it looks like an MTV video from 1985"," it looks like a video game", "it's exactly like episode 1 you fucking morons"... This is the 21st century's way of feeling superior to a groundbreaking genius like James Cameron... right from the comfort of the oversized computer chair that's supposed to accommodate your ever-growing ass.
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it was stupid and unfunny. the reason you dont find me funny is because you have a bad sense of humor. are you the guy who got banned for posting "no tits out for attention girl this week"? because that was not funny at all.
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if it was intended as a cgi tech demo.
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Unless you were one of the douchebag "fanboys" sitting near me, masturbating over Imperious or whatever the fuck the name is of the main Transformer, I can naturally assume you didn't see me leave the theater on both occasions. (For the record, 30 minutes in on the first installment, about 90 minutes in on the second one). Unlike you, I'm not some adolescent Nancy-boy who sleeps with his Transformer toys. I grew up in a different era. And when I see shit that really bores me to fucking death, I actually do get up and walk out. And ask for my money back. I've walked out on two movies this year. (Max Payne, the other) Now, continue your little wailing all you want. I have to go back to work and not waste my time with this silly-ass bullshit. You know, a job. Like other adults do during the day. As opposed to a little boy like yourself.
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Oct 29, 2009 2:38:23 PM CDT
Nerd answer the question and stop trolling!
by player_two_has_entered_the_game
and show me a mtv 80's video that looks like this movie. I double dare you, mother fucker!
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Hmmn obviously you did'nt get what I meant about scriptgirl's integrity. And in fact I wasn't banned, I just tried them accounts and they work but only from my work computer. Thats why I created them in the first place. Dude go away, stop talking to me.
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But Nerd Rage is gonna be a troll
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it's really that hard to create fresh, original, MODERN, stories? REALLY? I fucking can't wait for Michael Bay's take on Romeo and Juliet. That will be hot.
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Remind me where in Star Wars Episode 1 or any Star Wars for that matter we got to see cat people on flying dragons fighting marines using guns that shoot good old fashioned bullets on flying helicipter and airplance rotary vehicles and mecha in the skies of a planet with floating mountains and not in space. YOu have 3 seco... oh wait you're full of shit and surfing for attention so someone will hold you close and comfort you because of George Lucas raping your childhood while whispering sweet nothings in your ear that the big bad man who made Avatar is can't hurt you as he slowly slides his dick in your anus and youtake it in deeper and deeper and what comes out is coverd in the same sludge that you now try to share with us in this talkback. Sure... it's just like star wars, all the same thing beat for beat, whatever you say... Your credibility has been shafted. You can't even troll properly. In fact you're not a troll, you're just a sad sack of shit suffering from traumatic memories of Star Wars railers not living up to your expectations. I have no sympathy for you. Not an ounce of pity. Sit there realizing your futility to convince anyone but yourself that Avatar doesn't look fucking fantastic. Next you're probably gonna complain about how James Cameron is making you walk to the theatre just to watcha movie. The noive of 'im... All our subsequent posts from now on till forever will be ignored by me, but I reserve the right to use you as a whipping boy and example of delusion that infests these talkbacks. Your stupidity will live on in infamy. So now you can feel you've accomplished something, so feel free to do something else with your miserable time, like maybe ride a wheelchair down a slope onto a busy highway. I'm sure it'll offer you a thrill ride that movies never will.
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Banhammer for anyone, no matter how annoying. But Nerd Cunt really has to go. Or preferably put down with the elephant gun for being the 500 pound troll in the room.
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Your judging 3 hours of dialog on 3 mins of a trailer? It's Cameron man, alot of his dialog is hammy as hell. We are talking about the guy who wrote "I'll be back", "I'm the king of the world", "Don't cry baby. Knew this was one way ticket, but you know I had to come. Love you wife." and "Get away from her you bitch!". Don't act like he is Shakespeare because he is far far from it. That saying the film looks great.
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anyone with half a brain can see the similarities between Avatar's large scale CGI battles and those seen in the prequels. It's been done before. And they usually SUCK.
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Oct 29, 2009 2:59:34 PM CDT
I'll be back -one of the most iconic lines in film history
by turdontherun
You suck. Cameron has written many memorable lines.
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Oct 29, 2009 3:00:54 PM CDT
The titles are in Papyrus font for fucks sake
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
$300 million dollars and hes using fucking Papyrus
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Oct 29, 2009 3:00:56 PM CDT
mone of the most embarassing oments in cinematic history
by spazatronik2000
was the gungan vs. the droids battle. That was some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen. Oh your 10 year old liked it? Cool, he also likes eating his own boogers.
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Cameron's battles - helmed by the greatest action director american cinema has ever produced.
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Player_Two_has_left_the_game
your back... again...ok, anyway, it does look like a pat benetar video from the 1980's. i guess she's not metal. so, your right about that one. -
Dude I am a huge Cameron fan. I am just saying he is not the best writer in the world and despite that his films are still fantastic.
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he's got a lot to prove. The trailer looks promising, though, I doubt it will be anywhere near as bad as Menace.
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advocating banning? wow, you are quite the little nazi. you probably think that pot smokers should be thrown in jail for life.
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now that he's big and fat, you want to ban him? Is that hypocritical? I'm not sure what word to use here.
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you are gross. troll, thy name is Johnno. that was some disturbing stuff. i would hate to see anymore of whats going on in your head.
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because my comments and arguments make sense. and they hate that. now who are the trolls...?
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Oct 29, 2009 3:11:40 PM CDT
one of the most embarassing oments in cinematic history
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
that kid in t2 teaching the terminator how to high five. then that kid directs the terminator to attack a couple of guys who were trying to help the kid. lame as fuck
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Oct 29, 2009 3:13:33 PM CDT
Spazatronik2000, hypocrites come out of the wood work
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
i know you. ive seen you before. you are a troll. you were actually trolling in this very talk back earlier. hypocritical loser.
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See? That wasn't so hard now, was it? Thanks for answering my questions. Please note that your use of the words/phrases "sounds like" and "looks like" constitute a pre-disposition which generates your opinion(s). While your criteria is reactionary and shabby at best, it doesn't mean that this film will suck or that the people looking forward to it are "sheep".Circle on.
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I don't care who you are, that has ALWAYS been a classic line (and a classic scene).
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Much improved over the lackluster teaser. I actually want to see this now. I hope it delivers.
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Oct 29, 2009 3:18:59 PM CDT
officially, the word troll has been used so much
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
in this talkback that it has lost all meaning. you guys keep talking to me because my arguments make sense, even though you disagree. but, you cannot defeat me for having a different opinion than yours. i will be the lone voice of dissent until december. then you will see talkbacks filled with avatar hate. and everyone will pretend that they "knew it was going to suck all along". mwahahaha. (twirls mustache). p.s. i love the irony of being called a troll by a dozen different trolls!
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But I think that says more about the progress the video game industry has been making in the past few years more than it's knock on Avatar. Personally, I really think it looks like a great flick and am excited to see it!!!
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Oct 29, 2009 3:21:24 PM CDT
CALL ME JOE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by trannyformers_apologist
Will reinvent the way movies are experienced Epic masterpiece mind-blowing Photo-realJaw-droppingCGI unlike anything you have seen before Like dreaming with your eyes open Revolutionary Cameron's Lawrence of ArabiaGame-changerThis generation's Stars Wars Unlike anything you have seen before Truly amazing Prepare to be blown away Breathtaking Like a highly addictive drug that had left my mind yearning for more Can't stop dreaming about it This movie had activated parts of my brain that were previously untouched by conventional, two-dimensional films
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I cannot fucking wait!!!!!!! The King is back!
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Another iconic line.
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is posting their own personal opinion. if you think the movie is going to be great, then that is based on the same amount of evidence. right? get it? so, lets recap. i am being called a troll for having a different opinion than most others. therefore, i say that i am not a sheep.
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ignore him.
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the lobotomized, Hulk fanboy who trolls the box office prediction forums? Naw... that guy is genius on another level, you're just a wannabe!
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Oct 29, 2009 3:25:34 PM CDT
NERD_RAGE DO THE LETTERS STFU HOLD ANY MEANING FOR YOU?
by bringingsexyback
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that he doesnt give a fuck about the opinion of the haters.And that he still remains the king of the world.The crown is nailed on his head,and even if Avatar turns out to be a flop,you are not going to take it from him.He sounded very serious about this.
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for fucking acting like a troll. Sure you don't like it. But calling those who like it sheep and then proceeding to act like you are being persecuted is pretty much trollish behavior.
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and just piss off. There are other things I'm sure you like on this site. Go talk about them.
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talking about the fucking movie anymore. This talkback is evidently here to provide pointless, petty arguments between fucking children.
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but nobody comments about the lack of facial reconstruction surgery...
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Why would you want to remove awesome from your face?
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Avatard looks like The Mummy 2 in space. With twice as much CG. So it might be twice as bad.
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Let me spell this out for you as clearly as I can:You are not being called a troll for your opinion. But you are being attacked for calling others "sheep" and for your remarks I have cited in previous posts. Your snide comments on how you are somehow right and that everyone will "turn" on this movie (like TPM) have done nothing to win you the good graces of the people who share a different opinion than you. This is why you are being attacked and called a troll.Does this make sense to you? Please answer my question and let us know that you understand.
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children.
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...FUCK YOU.HA HA HA HA HA!
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Okay, Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas made sense. But now some of you morons are just stretching it here.
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I'd love to talk more about the movie but I haven't seen it yet. Therefore, all I have to go by is the various bits I've gleamed from the trailer.Is there any more insider information you can share with us?
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before you chime in.
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I'm guessing that's near the end of the film.
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all you've been doing here is whining "oh dear everybody's calling me a troll just because I have an opinion, Star Wars Episode 1 George Lucas blah blah blah" Meesa Meesa getn seeck of your shit
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i love it! you called me a troll. then you just trolled with your mummy 2 in space comment! i love this site!! at least my comments make sense.
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a non-stop over-CGI'd (wanna-be)"thrill ride" with epic large scale cgi battles and a stupid, boring story and cringe-inducing dialogue. That's my case. I present to you the Avatar trailer as my first piece of evidence.
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Of an artist who took YEARS trying to perfect his vision with unlimited resources.
Sounds like Axl Rose and his Chinese Democracy to me. In my honest opinion, Chinese Democracy is a true masterpiece. Avatar will be fantastic. -
by lockesbrokenleg... game over. you lose.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! -
Can she survive just one movie? Please?
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the fucking guy thinks Lost is the new Twin Peaks. It's not too big an insult if he burns you.
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Man, this site really has gone downhill...
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Anyone absurdly concerned that this might be small should check the 4 min featurette, still to be found around. The glimpses there reveal the magnitude of this. It's staggering. And the Cg characters are fucking believable. When Neytiri laughs for a second there, man, all doubt is wiped clean. Can't wait...
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This film looks AMAZING in 3D apparently. That's when the CGI looks really mind blowing. So the 2D trailers still aren't showing you the full effect. Also, Cameron's place is built into the side of a mountain. Not much but pretty cool. My best indicator for how cool this movie is going to be is seeing the reaction of theses guys when they roll back into the shop. You get them talking about it and they can't shut up. There enthusiasm is infectious.
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you people will have nothing to talk about. oh, and Mr. Nice Gaius? i could give two shits about being "in the good graces" of anyone at this site.
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and im already completely bored with you. you present no challenge at all. next.
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trollish comments (lol) tend to extend discussion in these talkbacks. By all means continue. Just don't expect us to like it.
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not a masterpiece. I give it a B-
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in James Cameron we trust
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You'll just bust out that totally fucking stupid "holier than thou" comment again.
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Yeah, the guys who are doing the legwork are really at the forefront of several cinematic technologies that have been pulled together for this thing.How many artists did Cameron hire for the CGI? Any word on how long it takes to render a frame? I know the ILM guys worked tirelessly on the robots in TRANSFORMERS (supposedly the most complicated renders they have ever produced).
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wow, you are a special one. you attack me for making fun of avatar, then you make fun of avatar. you are the base line idiot for this site.
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you're beginning to post semi-intelligible remarks
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he has the ability to instantly render all the scenes in 3D in REAL TIME. As soon as the he gets the final CGI render, they can play it back in 3D and WITHOUT the glasses. Suppossedly, there's a screen that creates the 3D effect right in front of you WITHOUT THE NEED FOR GLASSES AT ALL. But you won't see that for a while.
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They forgot to include Piranha 2, in those credits.
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I hope to catch this thing in 3D upon the first viewing. Don't know how that will pan out at this point though.
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here's another cookie
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i didn't realize that i had made such an impression on you in the past.
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Up until the end of November or something? Or am I imagining things?
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Me.
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This looks like someone mated LAST OF THE MOHICANS with DUNE...but with fantastic special effects!!!
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im always semi-intelligible. i have had enough cookies. i'm running on a suger high now!
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But from what this guy tells me they are using every computer and editing deck in town and yeah, he says the rendering takes FOREVER because of the detail needed but he's also using the most powerful computers with the fastest processing speed and every time they go over there, they say there are loads of people milling around. Every once and a while, Jim while roll through with a cup of coffee, look at something, then head back upstairs. He says there are about 8 to 10 of those tiki hut editing bays but that's not CGI artists. Those are just the film editors and he also says there is a seemless workflow between every department. They all overlap so everyone is able to work on the same scene and see each others work in real time AS THEY WORK ON IT.
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Oct 29, 2009 3:55:55 PM CDT
seniorspeilbergio, any word on the 'preferred' viewing format?
by blakindigo
2D or 3D? Have any of the editors talked about how they've seen the clips? Was there some kind of 3D monitor like the JVC stereoscopic used to view footage? Or is that NDA hardwired to your firstborn?
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http://tinyurl.com/yl8wc8z
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Don't know. Myself, i'm not a tech and alot of what he talked to me about went over my head but from what i gather, everyone is watching the shots in 3D, either with the glasses or on that special monitor.
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2 points:
The events in the movie must take place in a long time span,because when Sam is transferred in his navi for the first time,his head is shaved,but later during the big battle his hair is fully grown.
There must be definitely a scene where Lang is chased by sam and his human friends,but he manages to take control of a mech.i dont know why exactly they chase him,maybe he wants to nuke the navi after he lost the big battle,or maybe he discovers the treachery of sam and his human friends.
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Oct 29, 2009 4:05:48 PM CDT
Okay seriously, can we STOP with the "Fall of the Republic"?
by blakindigo
I left my tin-foil hat at the Jet Propulsion Lab's Sex Cult family day…
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from the past...I swear I saw his leg move. Or maybe they give him his legs later and he turns on the military. Ungrateful bastard. Most logical conclusion is that his leg twitched on accident and somehow James "meticulous" Cameron didn't notice.
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It was overrated shit.
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he doesn't look like he needs a mech to take out Worthington and company.
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i wonder what steroids he takes
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Wow, that's pretty impressive. The new technology sounds amazing and it's definitely the "game changer" that Cameron was referring to. Considering what they can do with it and how quickly the can visualize everything, is there any wonder why Spielberg and Jackson went apeshit when they saw it for the first time?
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Oh, you have issued a clear invitation to the dance.MASSIVE INTERSTELLAR FAIL.
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There's a shock.
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Wallstreet has taken over 23.7 trillion and counting. Maybe tell the folks at Bloomberg who published the story they need tinfoil hats, too. http://tinyurl.com/nvczkh
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..an unimpressive one at that.
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Wheelburro. Hee hee
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And this site slams the latest blockbuster movie but praises weird shit? Shock.
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WALLSTREET BONUSES LOL
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Why does ever Cameron movie now have to have fucking jarhead shitheads in it?
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Like in Abyss. God, what an awful ending.
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He was a jarhead shithead. A hilarious one at that. I wish Bill Paxton was in this film.
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I threw up in my popcorn bag
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but your life is.
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But let's laugh! Cause Bud's okay! HAHAHAH! FUNNY!!
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You're such a tragic character.
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I believe you.
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I knew you would appreciate it. you, Nice Gaius and Southafricanguy are the most consistently rational TB's here.
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Let's have a good laugh!
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Cowabunga.
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u knew it would happen
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a good choice over Beihn for the Colonel. He looks like he pulled it off nicely.
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Is the ending good? no spoilers, please
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The whole thing culminates quite literally in an Ewoks versus Empire style super-battle, with the natives using such familiar Ewok battle tactics such as falling rocks, log battering rams, giant nets, and bolos to fight a desperate war against the encroaching death machines of Earth’s military industrial complex. The only difference really is that these Ewoks aren’t cute (though Cameron does seem to spend a lot of time trying to make his aliens are incredibly sexy and erotic), they don’t do much singing, and when they do kill something it’s in horribly gruesome, rated-R ways.
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—here ya go: http://tinyurl.com/ldkafv Rebuttal here: http://tinyurl.com/yzoow5s
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video not available in my location.
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My brother, who died in Afghanistan was one. There's no doubt that many, if not most, of them are Jarhead shitheads. Sorry.
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You ask who has read it, ask whether the ending is good and then tell us you hated the script. So- which is it?
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I read his prievious piece, though. The Big Takeover
The global economic crisis isn't about money - it's about power. How Wall Street insiders are using the bailout to stage a revolution http://tinyurl.com/d7hefo -
Just don't feel it's cool to disrespect all because of the few.
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tsk, tsk. shame on you all!
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my bad I left out the quotes
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written by Joss Whedon.
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Oct 29, 2009 5:15:52 PM CDT
p.s. i will never make fun of lockesbrokenleg again.
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
its like kicking a puppy. and all of you who rip on him know its true.
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have i met a u.s. marine have to do with the fact they are tiresome and suck especially in today's war porn era.
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You know they'd be covering that shit like crazy.
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Oct 29, 2009 5:28:48 PM CDT
Great looking film, etc., Avatar still looks to be either
by james_camera_on
Spot that Movie! or Spot that Ripoff! Even the anti-gravity mineral (the one true sci-fi element in the thing) that enables the islands\mountains that float in the air (why don't they float away from the planet?) is right out of Laputa: Castle in the Sky. Jeez, is there anything original in this movie?
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...I can't view it either on AICN, but can on filmtwats! Looks pretty sweet!
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Oct 29, 2009 5:30:09 PM CDT
I'm coming off as shrill, but if you're saying that in MOVIES
by blakindigo
the Marine is usually cast as the "Jarhead shitheads," that's much different than implying that Marines are, on the whole, "Jarhead shitheads." Opinion is fine, but we're talking about a science fiction film dealing in archetypes.I'm a bit knee-jerk on that but, I just want to keep on topic. Speculative Fiction vs. the hardcore reality of practical military narratives.
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...because Avatar trolls gotta eat. Actually, I can only count about 5 of you in this whole talkback who are still holding to their "it's gotta suck" mantra. Nerd_Rage, Tranny, Spaz, MajorFrontBum (?), and everyone's favorite special needs TBer Lockes. Have fun pouting, boys.
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CarlMarkThor would have been on your list too, ceptin' for the Banhammer!
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It gets worse the more you watch it. The corny dialogue. The lame story. Worthington - did he get hit on the head by a falling piano? All classic movies have a charasmatic lead/co-stars. This guy's personality is like a talking gorilla.
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eat crow? i think not. they will pretend that they always thought it would suck. just like when phantom menace came out. revisionist history is a game played by all at this site.
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#Spoiler?# "Polyphemis (the massive planet around
which Pandora revolves) has a mother of magnetosphere.." "the mountains will levitate in a powerful magnetic field.
This magnetic levitation, or maglev, effect has been used
to lift trains and run them without wheels since the late
1980's. On Pandora the effect causes huge outcroppings of
unobtanium to rip loose from the surface and float in the
magnetic vortices. These floating islands circulate
slowly in the magnetic currents, like icebergs at sea,
scraping against each other and the towering mesa-like
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he has no personality or charisma. he is the generic, go-to guy for action scifi and because of that we all suffer. if he is cgi in the movie, it would make sense. why not have a cardboard cut-out play his role? whats the difference?
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Oct 29, 2009 5:47:54 PM CDT
couldn't they get keanu reeves to play the lead
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
same difference
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I'm kinda disappointed. I'll probably watch it in the theater anyway. Not expecting much, the bar has been lowered.
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...but in real life the "Indians" didn't win in the end, whoops. Go team.
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It must suck to be them, while the rest of us will enjoy the heck out of a great epic movie (though no doubt these fuckers will be first in line to see it along with everyone else). Avatar is a juggernaut that cannot be stopped!
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Insult the people who don't agree with you. "I hate you" WHAAAAAA WHAAAAA "You said bad things about a movie trailer" WHHAAAAAAAA WHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA *cry* *cry* Why discuss the movie trailer when you can try to insult other people SO MUCH FUN !!!!!!That's the crazy ass rabid narrow minded rage filled brainwashed fanboy way. ONLY SAY GOOD THINGS ABOUT MOVIES wwwwhhhhhaaaaaa Maybe you Avatard fans would be better off at IMDB.
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So its a rip-off of that now? Er, Star Trek Insurection didn't come up with that basic storyline buddy. This uneducated, uninformed rabble rousing disgusts me.
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http://tinyurl.com/yhxts4l
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After Avatar is finally out? Hobbit? I'm ready to defend LOTR to the death there.
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... Saves the Blue people! Because they can't do it themselves. This looks really bad.
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That's the thing, Nerd... you've already made up your mind that it will suck. You've got too much "talkback cred" invested in predicting it will be terrible, you've GOT to hate it to save face. Personally, I thought the first teaser was a bit underwhelming (especially when viewed on a shitty online format) but everything since has got me really excited to see it. IF it disappoints (which is always a possibility) then I'll admit you were ahead of the curve and you can gloat and your life will suddenly have meaning, but how am I going to pretend I "always thought it would suck" when I'm posting my anticipation of it for everyone to see right here on the internet?
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I'm having a hard time deciding who is the biggest retard here - is it you, Nerd, Spaz, or Lockes? Shall we just be politically correct and declare it a draw so that no one's feelings get hurt and no one feels left out? Everyone's a winner, baby!
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will be Inception, Iron Man 2, and Expendables. And then the Hobbit Movies and Battle Angel (where Cameron will have to prove himself YET AGAIN in the eyes of the haters, even after Avatar cleans house). "This time, this time", they'll gloat. Nope, sorry, Cameron will triumph yet again. And then Avatar 2 and 3.
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That trailer music is pretty cool
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Hell, at least I can look forward to The Hobbit. And Iron Man 2. It's fitting that Avatard is coming out his year, 2009 had been one giant cinematic abortion. I can't wait to forget about the whole bloody mess.
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Oct 29, 2009 6:09:46 PM CDT
I don't Iron Man 2 will be anything to write home about....
by thewaqman
it feels like they're going the Spiderman 3 angle with it. Throw in a bunch of useless shit to keep the fanboys happy. Inception and Expendables should be fun though.
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Was disappointed with the first trailer but this new one rocks the casbah.Gone from not bothered to fairly excited again.
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they will still come on here and bash it to hell. It's because their talkback posts will be set in stone and they won't want to admit defeat.
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a very enjoyable part of Iron Man 2. I think he's going to steal the show. Even though all the fanboys will be splooging over War Machine.
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It'll make up for this whole decade in fact which, apart from a few exceptions, has been disppointing. They have truly saved the best for last.Iron Man 2 might not be that good. I predict Inception will be great, and Expendables is kind of up in the air. Predators wil be shit. Hobbit 1 and 2 will be amazing, Battle Angel will be amazing. Avatar 2 and 3 will be even better than Avatar - Cameron is the king of sequels. Alien prequel will be surprisingly good. There, I've made my predictions and I'm sticking to them!
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I agree 100% with all predictions
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then proclaim Avatard is going to save the decade. Lmao. At least we can all get onboard the Inception train. Which is a completely original story from the mind of Nolan. That's true genius, Cameron's lost it man, his brain is fried.
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I'm also up in the air about Expendables. I think if Avatar 2 gets made it will be better than the first, but 3 I'm not so sure should be made. Thinking far too ahead though. The rest of your predictions are spot on.
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since when did one year mean the decade?
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Katzenberg was right. It is the most important movie of the last 5 decades!
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original story vs Pocahontas in space. Talking mannequin vs Leo DiCaprio. Real actors vs thundersmurfs from a Pixar creature designer. The Dark Knight vs. Titanic. What am I missing?
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Will I be having a squirting orgasam?
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that would explain this script
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The list of what you're missing could run on for quite a while.
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You know eyeball fucking, tears ,whatever.
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oops wrong movie
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Get off the Nolan gravy train. I know the plot of Inception - it's no less derivative than anything in Avatar; heavily riffing on a lot of Philip K Dick's work in fact. But I don't care about that -it will be intelligent and well done. And yes, Avatar will make up for this decade - how many notable genre movies can you name? The Dark Knight and LOTR and that's about it. 2009 has been a washout. Also, anyone who calls Avatar The Mummy 2 in space deserves the title of retard. Maybe Nerd Rage has got the edge on you in that department though. Let's put it to a vote, shall we?!
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Semper Meow
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I really have no desire to see any other film at the theater until this is released. Everything else can wait for Blu Ray.
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its hilarious that the anti avatar people are being flamed by the pro avatar people for judging the movie before it comes out. meanwhile the pro avatar people are declaring that this will be the greatest movie of all time! what a joke. you pro avatar people should meet up and have a circle jerk while discussing how revolutionary the cg effect are going to be in a movie that you have not seen.
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Brendan Fraser > Sam Worthington. So it might be worse than the Mummy 2.
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spaz2000 said it was mummy 2 in space you idiot. i said that its phantom menace 2009. you fucking dork.
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Is that troll for "having an open mind about an exciting looking movie from a director whose movies usually kick fucking ass"? Jesus, Nerd, when did you go all batshit on us?
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the day i masterbate and no cumm rockets out!!!!!
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for people who thought that they were too cool for transformers 2. who will get the name avatarapologist first at this site. will it be you turdonyourface?
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Leo Di Caprio? Real actor? Uh huh. Yes, he was good in Titanic, and in Gilbert Grape, anything where he can play off his perpetual boyishness; but Scorsese movies, or anything where he's required to play a tough guy, or a company CEO (ala Inception) - he doesn't cut it, not convincing at all. In fact, his inclusion is the one reason I have to doubt Inception. Also, Nolan is great, but original stories? Come off it. His best movie was Memento, and he's still not at JC's level. He has not yet made a movie as good as T1 or Aliens.
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Oct 29, 2009 6:44:33 PM CDT
ebonic_plague, i had an open mind about avatar
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
right up until i started seeing the trailers. then, bang! my mind closed.
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Don't get your panties in a twist. Are you having a melt down? What a colossal tit you are, young man.
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i'll one up you spaz
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you can't say shit.
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I just read your post again to see what you meant - Did you fail to realise I was talking about Spaz's comments when I made the mummy reference, not you? Read it again, cunt features. And you're telling me to learn to read? Oh, the irony!!
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All pussies like you watch it in the dark and never tell anyone, secretly blubbing when Leo goes into the drink.
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"Also, anyone who calls Avatar The Mummy 2 in space deserves the title of retard. Maybe Nerd Rage has got the edge on you in that department though. Let's put it to a vote, shall we?!"
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and district 9 buried avatar in a shallow grave
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Oct 29, 2009 6:52:42 PM CDT
so you're saying Worthington has the same talent as DiCaprio?
by spazatronik2000
and I'M the retard. Aliens>TDK, I'll give you that. But Nolan has a very impressive resume nonetheless.
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Everybody loves it and wants it and want to watch it and again and again and agai!
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and unintelligible. but, what should i expect from a troll
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that practically saved the year. Star Trek was pretty decent. Even with all the retarded shit in it.
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Like a stud with a ten inch cock, i just want to show the trailer to everyone i meet!
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60 years of technology progression had to pass,until Edwoods original vision was able to become a reality through Cameron
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You are further proving that you don't have a grasp of basic grammar - or common sense, for that matter. Keep digging yourself an even deeper hole.Spaz, that remains to be seen. But Worthington already convinces me as a tough guy far more than Di Caprio, with his perpetually baby face (even though he is nearing 40), and cloying earnestness. And I never said that Nolan didn't have an impressive resume.
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You just know it's going to happen! Cameron has seriously lost the plot being underwater for so long!
This trailer tells us that Colonel Quaritch is a rogue military type who sends the wheelchair dude jake to infiltrate the aliens then Jake falls in love with them and decides to fight his colonel rather than earn the use of his legs again (which Colonel Quaritch promises him) and all the other humans see that Colonel Quaritch and or his backers in the evil government & or evil civilian corporation who want the resources are not to be trusted etc etc blah blah blah.........zzzzzzz
Happy ending after a 30-40 mins CGI cartoon battle where all your favorite characters get killed (or maimed) and the lame hero survives.
Apart from serious story concerns the CGI looks very poor like they ran out of time/money (quite likely as Cameron could not get ILM to do this project as he wanted to be able to re-render unlimited shots if he changed his mind for the same cost so ILM passed on being the main provider although they were brought onboard anyway to handle some of the workload as WETA are in over their heads).
Cameron has always been about technical expertise never ever been a master storyteller. The Abyss (Special Edition version) is still his most complete film and that was 20 years ago now.
Fox must be very nervous about this one as the winter is not the time to release a sci-fi arthouse movie so I would not be surprised if they try to sell the overseas rights to minimise the risk but not sure there will be many takers. -
We're the bad-guys. Worthington sides w/ the BlooKats and does the Costner and the Indians routine w/ it. Plotwise. Okay. Could be fun. And could SUCK. But I doubt it.
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Everyone's got to get their troll on sometime. I did for Watchmen. It's an AICN tradition, everyone has their movie to prematurely and unfairly judge. But let's not kid ourselves that what you and Tranny and Spaz are doing is anything beyond simple trolling.
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Oct 29, 2009 7:04:53 PM CDT
TurdontheRun, actually im digging the hole for you
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
so i can put you in there when you shoot yourself in the head after you see avatar and its not the second coming of christ.
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Another idiot shows up.Right, I'm off. Goodnight Vienna.
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you're trippin dawg. Seeing Avatar in 3d is going to be like bathing in the fountain of youth, everyone will leave the theater praising the most amazing movie ever made, it's going to be like the second coming of Jesus and your cocks going to grow 3 inches too.
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about all those idiots who bitched and whined about the squid not being in the end of watchmen. what a bunch of cunts! how many of you avatar booster are guilty of that? 90%? 100%?
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Enjoying your posts man.
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but with flying islands instead of oceans
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so, at aicn, if YOU slam a movie before it comes out, then you are just expressing your opinion. but, if SOMEONE ELSE
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so, at aicn, if YOU slam a movie before it comes out, then you are just expressing your opinion. but, if SOMEONE ELSE slams a movie before it comes out, then they are a troll. hypocrisy at its finest. keep it up ainc talkbackers!
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Cheers dude, add yourself to that list. I can believe those artists when they say that Avatar will blow people away. Cameron doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'underachieve'. Cameron's shot selection in that trailer alone is outstanding.
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'nuff said
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Agree his scoring was out of place in the Friday the 13th remake, which was an abortion of a film to begin with. His style doesn't really fit that type of film in the first place. I blame the filmmakers for hiring the wrong guy for the wrong film. Can't be hatin' the composer for just following orders...
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It's a hell of a job defending Avatar against these retards. Its probably not worth the effort, but I get a kick out of it regardless. As I said, half of these baboons will be first in line with the rest of us. They're fooling no one.
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Oct 29, 2009 7:19:07 PM CDT
why are you defendind a movie that you havent seen?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
i mean, how can you say that about avatar? all you've seen is the trailer! sound familiar? and dune sucks too. if i want to read about the middle east then i will read about the middle east. dune is a heavy handed, paper thin metaphor in its story telling just like avatar
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...it's about HOW you express your opinion. There are a few good critiques of Avatar (or what little we've seen of it) that I've read here. Your opinion seems to be that Avatar will suck just because. Like I said, good luck with the whining and eye rolling, sorry that you can't discuss things rationally, but thanks for making it abundantly clear that your opinion can be safely discarded in this case.
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I'll see this film, for sure. But it looks like a fucking cartoon. CGI looks like exactly what it is - computer graphics. It looks like a videogame interlude, and don't people usually skip that shit on the ps3?
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Nah it's not worth the effort but like you say, it's good for the kicks. I think Avatar will end the decade of disappointment that began back in 99 with The Phantom Menace. It's going to force everyone to up their game. How are Bay, McG and Abrams going to reply to Avatar? They don't have the talent.
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you are full of shit. i've explained my opinion many times in this talkback and others. you choose not to read them and then you flame me. troll.
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More like THE LAST SAMURAI to me.
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this trailer makes it seem like a better movie and not that i thought the CGI was bad in the other trailer but it looks even better here. not sure if i'll see it in theaters but if i do, doubt i'll see it in the gimmick that is 3D.
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district 9 blew avatar out of the water. fuck, even drag me to hell is better than avatar. cgi will not save you or this movie. d9 out did avatar on a fraction of the budget. james cameron is a hollywood fat cat who thinks that spending hundreds of millions of dollars on cgi effect is the way to make a good movie. fuck james cameron!
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Oct 29, 2009 7:26:50 PM CDT
In 1080p this trailer is astonishing…Congrats Cameron & Co.
by blakindigo
Watched it for the 7th time. This film will definitely blow people away.
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this isn't a slam against him or his movies but how is he a master storyteller? Titanic is probably the only one that attempted to actually tell a story for the first half. but the rest are just what they are, sci-fi and/or action movies. nothing wrong with that, its the sorta movies i personally like but i dont see what makes him supposedly better than "everyone else". but i guess when you just share geek tastes but aren't actually a geek, its something my little mind cannot understand.
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is a tight pussy.u should try it someday.it opens eyes.
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just kidding. darkstar is way better than avatar.
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he is one of the few to incorporate in the same movie: scifi,action,drama,comedy and characters.
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Now THAT'S rich. I'M the troll for advocating that people go into this movie with an open mind. The only way I could be defined as "trolling" here is because I continue to mock you for being so outspokenly and repetitively full of shit. Keep trying to convince people they shouldn't be excited for Avatar, you've got your work cut out for you, you wacky nerd retard whatever.
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and i still think avatar will suck
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i love that pet they had,the alien balloon with legs.it was damn funny.
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the poor.i believe we will manage to fill your shoes.ho ho ho.
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is better than Avatar is a kind of madness actually. Abrams didn't have a fucking clue what he was doing with his camera during that film, just check out the deleted scene posted on here.
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i cant wait for the talkbacks and the general reaction in the internet,when this beauty gets released.the whole situation will be will be a phenomenal entertainment.
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extremely difficult to do. At their best, say movies like "Die Hard," "Hard Boiled" or "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" they use a degree of visual shorthand to introduce and define character to make the audience care about the characters amongst the bullets and explosions. It's challenging to balance storytelling and dramatic beats and keep the audience willing to suspend disbelief. Plus, you have to make the audience empathize with the character and his/her dilemma. If you study the best 'action films' they do both while deftly handling subtext and adrenaline pumping action.
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Are we so hard-up for decent new films we embrace any half-baked shit that comes our way? Still looks horrible. BTW, Sam Worthington sounds like George W. Bush, especially when he says "We will send them a message" in that breathy, deranged, stoned, Bush-like manner. Because that's what the world needs, more Bush! BTW, just watched Return of the King again: now THAT'S an epic. But nice to see Steven Lang finally got a role twenty years after "Manhunter". Public Enemies, The Men Who Fuck With Goats, and Avatard, and then we'll probably never hear from him again...Actually the Goat-Fucking movie does look pretty good.
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crawl out the woodwork to repeat everything they have now said 500 times....*yawn* how boring....As it gets closer and closer these pathetic tools (who are apparantly way more obsessed with this film than anyone else) are just throwing more and more shit in the vain hope that something, anything will stick. My favourite is some of these nutjobs are actually giving examples of films already released that are better than Avatar...a film that no-one has seen.......yup, only on AICN talkback.....
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Will have a LOOOOOOT of venome and bile to spew on the LOTR movies, trust me, and i kind of agree with them (FOTR was good, others shit). The few hobbit talkbacks there've been have had an unusual amount of that but those talkbacks didnt breathe or have legs, but that is just cooking and fermenting, it will explode just watch everyway you can the gangbang on frodo to come.
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nerdrage is actually Devin Farci?
Because he seems to have the same pathological obsession with thius film, and he also comes across like a pompous, arrogant windbag that just keeps posting the same crap in the vain hope that everyone will hate a film that no-one has seen as much as he does..... -
The CGI looked like any other sci-fi movie. I'm sure the 3D will impress, but without that gimmick I dunno. I was expecting something utterly spectacular; and while this looks fine, it doesn't really dazzle me. Plus, the tired storyline doesn't help. Everyone mocks the complaints about Dances With Wolves; but we really have seen this story already. Why build this elaborate world, and then not put the same effort into an ingenious plot?
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I think there is quite a lot of truth to this story, read on.
The title of the the thread is
ATTENTION a call to arms for all avatar fans.
Case in point...
EXIBIT A
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21354/1/DANCES-WITH-AVATARS/Page1.html
EXIBIT B
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21362/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-THE-5-STAGES-OF-GEEK-MOVIE-EXPERIENCE/Page1.html
EXIBIT C
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20650/1/SAM-STRANGE-REMEMBERS-AVATAR/Page1.html
EXIBIT D
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20340/1/NEW-AVATAR-POSTER-IS-SO-PHOTOREAL-IT-LOOPS-BACK-AROUND-TO-LOOKING-PHOTOSHOPPED/Page1.html
EXIBIT E
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21222/1/JAMES-CAMERON-PATRON-SAINT-OF-THE-UNLIKEABLE/Page1.html
and then there is this piece of garbage written by a moron
EXIBIT F
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21297/1/WHAT039S-THE-LATEST-CLASSIC-SCIFI-CAMERON-RIPPED-OFF/Page1.html
This is but the tip of the iceberg (pun intended)
Now i will shed some light on as to why Devin Faraci and Chud.com seem to have it in for AVATAR and the fans, and people who will actually enjoy another Cameron motion picture.
Why ? Well, it is a long story and actually quite a convoluted one, long story short, Devin actually got upset that he could not attend an advanced preview (as a member of press) to see an advanced preview a of picture that shall remain nameless. He also has a personal grudge against Jim Cameron himself. This i will explain, Devin has been blacklisted by FOX execs, the reason for this is partially down to the fact that Devin was obnoxious in reviews insulted core members of various teams and insinuated lies and lawsuits. This can even be seen today in his writings on AVATAR`s plagiarism claims. There is also it has to be said a great deal of backdoor shenanigans involving Devin and hierarchy of FOX. In short Devin is blackballed. Devin found this out via his own message board forums. Now im not standing here trying to defend FOX`s output for the last 6 years, how could i ? What i am trying to inform you on is this... This is personal, This has nothing to do with fan expectation, it has nothing to do with the progress of cinema, IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH A PERSONAL EFFORT TO DERAIL THE PRODUCTIONS IMPACT.
Yes it is pathetic, yes it is childish, but if you read Devin for any amount of time, you realise childish is exactly what Devin is. the whole AVATAR deal on Chud.com is what the online industry describe as "Leaf littering" take your core audience turn them onto your ideals and use that in turn to attack your enemies. Very simple and very effective. It has been done before and it will continue to happen. It can be a good thing, however when the motives become personal and not representative of the greater fact, that is when moral issues arise. I have it on high authority FOX and in particular Jim Cameron is highly upset with Devin and the continuing abuse he keeps throwing at not just the production but the people who this movie is aimed at (which by the way, is everyone). If you were to lay out the level of abuse aimed at AVATAR and pin that to the production outgoings, you will clearly see that Chud and the level of attack has steadily gone up with the anticipation, until finally we see an attack so blatant and mean that it will make even the most skeptic sit up and pay attention, Devin is literally trying to get third parties involved to actually file lawsuits against the core creators of AVATAR, in particular James Cameron. I am told this is serious stuff, and fox is itching for Devin to step a foot out of line so he can be drawn over the coals. This is a very childish and personal situation Devin has created. My guess the biggest backlash will eventually fall on Devin.
"Leaf littering" turn your core audience around onto your ideals and then in turn use that to attack the ideals of your enemy.
Yes sounds like the art of war right ? Indeed, however you have to remember that
online "so called" journalism is not regulated. And if and when it is, it will be impossible to control. This can be seen as both good and bad, depending on your outlook.
So why am i informing you on this and what can you do to right it ?
Well for one. you can sign up to Chud.com and personally tell Devin you now know
what he is up to, You can also email him directly via Chud. If you are a true AVATAR supporter and don't want to see peoples opinion affected because some hack "so called" journalist has an agenda. Then make this common knowledge between the "AVATARDS" (a phrase coined on Chud by the way.)
Not that Devin has a chance of changing the final outcome, what he can accomplish however is making the fan base appear as stupid irrelevant and actually hurt the movie for those who use the Internet for movie news.
Fact: Chud is purposely trying to hurt AVATAR simply because of unrelated events
Fact: You can put an end to this, STOP READING CHUD! the advertisement money will flounder and pretty soon chud would disappear.but not before you mail Devin your thoughts.
Fact: Devin has been so negative towards AVATAR and every aspect of its production that some "less than sensitive" crew member even took things into his/her own hands and lampooned Devin in an open letter, (something which is unheard of within the industry, the moto goes... we are all in this together, keep things to yourself.)
Why am i banging on about this to you ?
Because i am one of you! I believe in Jim Cameron, For the most part i think fox is a studio run by fools and money grabbing morons, however Jim Cameron is above that, he is an artist, he makes visual motion art, How many film makers can you genuinely say have not really made a bad film ? How many film makers can you genuinely say won compromise ? how many film makers can you say actually get the vision on screen for all to see ? NOT MANY! but Jim is one of them.
Devins main argument is that the CGI is not photo real.
But how can you judge a movie you haven't yet seen ?
How can you criticise a story you are not in know about and don't fully understand ?
Here is a nice fact for you...
Devin knows less than you reading this. if you are on these boards or are talking about avatar or have followed it even a little, my guess is that you actually know more about this movie than Devin.
FACT big movies get hyped.
FACT AVATAR is big.
FACT AVATAR will succeed.
FACT December 18th will see Devin look a fool.
FACT Devin wont get even a sniff of anything relevant to AVATAR before release.
FACT Devin will have to pay in the theatre to review this one. (a fact im sure will pain him)
FACT this is a franchise with legs (5ft blue long legs) it wont fail, the fact everyone is talking about it "everywhere" has already sealed it fate. marketing could stop now and Jim will still have a hit on his hands.
FACT Devin is a money grubbing hack, with little to no movie based knowledge of any use to the masses. Terminator Salvation 8 out of 10, a consistent planet of the apes obsession, and an unhealthy attitude towards woman and people with opinions different than his own.
i can sum him up in two words, outdated asshole.
I have written this to try and make as many of you who consider yourselves to be JC fans. and hell fans of cinema full stop. we have had to listen to Devins childish rubbish for about 12 months now.
Make him hear your voice. Flood the Chud mesage boards, send email after email to him telling him you know about the spat with FOX and that - that should not spill over into trying to maliciously hurt what we know to be the next big achievement cinema has seen since The Matrix. Not to mention the fact Jim Cameron has made it now so future directors will be able to implement and fine tune ideas on set, even if the set is not there. AVATAR IS REVOLUTIONARY.
Devin you are with out a doubt the biggest online hack fool there has ever been.
We are wise to your piss poor attempts at sabotage. And we will not let it settle. we await your Chud AVATAR review with great interest and no doubt furious anger. You think you are clever, YOU ARE NOT. We are wiser and we have the final say. This is one AVATARD that has you in his sights and will make sure as many people as possible are aware of your agenda before release of " a truly original and sincere sci fi fantasy written and directed by a visionary master of his art ".
You will fail Devin. and we are coming for you now ;-) and if word is correct, so is FOX.
Why dont you mail Devin on Chud, or leave a message and ask him why so hostile towards Jim Cameron and AVATAR ? While your at it, ask him why he is blackballed
by FOX. Then watch and behold as you are greeted with nothing but silence.
So lets do what we can in great numbers, lets make the "CHUDITES" hear us.
A CALL TO ARMS.
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Cameron and McTiernan were the last great mainstream Hollywood action directors, they could combine character and action and also construct their action sequences so the audience knew exactly what was going on and where. The new generation of action directors have no spatial awareness. They simply throw the camera around, shoot it from 4 different angles and hope it cuts together, and when it doesn't they simply have each shot last 2 seconds so you have no clue as to what is happening.
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amounts of time in Harry Potter and Twilight talkbacks (two things I dont give a shit about) calling all the fans of those films losers and posting countless times that those films suck while just saying the same shit again and again, hoping desperatly they will all agree with me.....oh wait, I do have a life and I dont ever go into those talkbacks or post anyhting because (heres a radical thought) im indifferent to both as I dont like either, thus I wont waste my time there talking about something I alrerady know I dont like. And I also dont have such low self-esteem issues that I need to feel threatend by the fact that there are many people that like those films, and thuis spend hours calling them losers and telling them those films suck....
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Every movie has its tireless, crusading detractor.
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Devin Faraci is a worthless cunt. I thought that was common knowledge?
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Personally, I would have preferred an actual, balls-to-the-wall "Zulu in Space" war movie between morally-gray Human Soldiers and Alien Natives, with the protagonist switching sides half-way through, (or better yet, have the humans serve as the villains. Try to aim for some originally for once). I guess after Titanic, Cameron feels he needs a weepy, overblown romance story in every film he makes from here-on-in. I just hope to Serling they don't break out in a duet of "Colors of the Wind"...
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This is the guy that Terminator Salvation four out of five stars remember? Then completely backtracked a few days later.
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Of course, the Holocaust, Sept. 11th, Katrina and Darfur looked better than Star Trek! I know I'm going to regret going there...
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on the internet...and thats saying something....
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But it still looks like an animated cartoon. I will gladly see it, but I do worry that the non-geeks will treat this as any old other sci-fi fantasy movie after a big opening first weekend.
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those films moved him...to a bigger house!
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I think that's what we all suspected. What a disgusting obese nasty fellow that guy really is, self-loathing to the core. And extremely dumb to boot. He has got way in over his head if that info is correct - you do not go up against a corporate giant like Fox with a multi-million investment, and someone like Cameron. I hope they sue that bastard into bankruptcy. An ignorant fanboy webmaster with delusions of grandeur - Chud is a sinkhole. I can't believe that asshole was interviewed for the Bladerunner dvd set doc.Kwis, I agree about the old school action directors; I'd toss Verhoeven in there as well.southafricanguy, how goes it?
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JUNO.
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Yup, Verhoeven rocked too. Just watched Robocop the other night, looks like a masterpiece these days. Ok, it always did.
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Here we go huh? :)
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On another note — what is Faraci's reason for disliking "AVATAR"? This sounds personal and extremely obsessive.
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To all movie websites you know, as i have done from IMDB, Devin has been exposed and that artical pretty much sums up everything we suspected. DO YOUR DUTY. thanks go to the original pster on IMDB colonel Quaritch
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Oct 29, 2009 8:17:59 PM CDT
No slight to J. Milius but I wished Verhoeven directed Conan
by blakindigo
I can only imagine…
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REVENGE OF THE FURNGULLY THUNDERSMURFS STRIKE BACK WITH POCAHONTAS TOO
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Any magnetosphere that could levitate freaking MOUNTAINS would render all the human tech (navigation, robo-suits, electronics in general) useless wouldn't it?
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"And hey, Star Wars Episode III: Rise of the Sith wasn't so hot but that Jango Fett polystone bust is kind of bitching!"
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Night all, fun reading your posts.
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My eyes. Ouch.
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This movie is going to knock us on our genre-movie loving asses! Good genre-movies have been few and far between since the eighties, could AVATAR possibly be coming at a better time?
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i see so much fox bashing on this site. and now you guys are all fired up for a fox movie? i thought fox was destroying every movie they put out? what are your opinions on the wolverine movie? you loved it right?
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Verhoeven couldn't of directed Conan because he was not in America at the time. That and Milius already had a reputation for adventurous movies.
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guess his obsessive need to be on top of the geek world made ol jimbo go nuts and rip off an idea from a well known book..... like i said....its JUNO all over again
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Oct 29, 2009 8:50:18 PM CDT
TakingScorpiosCalls, oh I know, but just imagine HIS Conan!
by blakindigo
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http://io9.com/5390226/did-james-cameron-rip-off-poul-andersons-novella
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CGI cartoon characters (complete with HUGE animé eyes) combined with live-action actors. The obvious CG environments, machines, even the marines in battle gear simply doesn't look realistic or believable, and immediately makes you pulls you out of the illusion of the film, ruining the experience.I'm not gonna waste my money on this overhyped crap... I'll just download it. Let the other suckers fill Cameron's overstuffed wallet and ego.
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than Avatar.
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He could be for King Conan. But i somehow don't trust him on the atmosphere factor, since one thing the movie did get was that somber atmosphere of the books.
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im not nearly as long winded
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..just write for chud, or is his website?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geNv6FUK0HU&fmt=22
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The haters are grasping at straws. That was one of the best trailers I have seen. Watched it 5 times and it got better with each viewing.
These are the best CGI effects I have seen. Have they crossed the Uncanny Valley yet? Not quite, but some of those shots of Neytiri look photoreal to my eyes. More impressive is Pandora itself. The foliage has incredible depth and life to it.
Does the story deal with typical movie tropes? Sure, but so what. Despite Genrefanboy ridiculously calling this a sci-fi art film, Cameron is dealing with a pulpy action epic that has archetypal characters. This is not Solaris, nor should it be. Cameron is the master at creating living, breathing worlds with characters we can relate to in situations with drama and excitement.
All great art is inspired by something. Whether it is nature, life events or other art; ideas don't come out of thin air. Avatar is John Carter meets Pocahontas. The Dark Knight is Batman meets Heat. Star Wars is a swashbuckler in space. Shakespeare came up with all the basic stories. Everyone else is simply doing permutations on them.
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no one gives a shit. that mom and pop site has always been a joke. they've railed against Nolan and Cameron for years and TDK only grossed over a billion. and them jocking on Terminator Salvation didn't make a ripple for its box office. it's laughable that Cameron would even care what they write over there. there's not grand conspiracy, the site is contrarian simply because it doesn't have the talent to publish destination reviews and its survival strategy is to simply post the opposite of logical mainstream movie criticism to appeal to the lowest 5% who hate everything and are too stupid to care what kind of weak rationale they use as the basis of that hate. weak third act lmfao. Avatards? LMFAO, it's not a good sign when you rip off Naruto to try to rip on Avatar.
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It's Fern Gully + Dances With Wolves + Lawrence of Arabia! Duh. Didn't think about the last one until now. So what's the deal.. that's nearly the same trailer that was out a week ago at least. It's like 45 seconds longer. I'll admit it looks cooler, but come on... they're talking in English? Did they program his brain with the Navi language? Uh no.
I won't write off the movie for that... practically no Sci Fi movie ever is realistic about language barriers so no harm there. I just keep thinking to myself with all this technology, why can't they just dig underneath the Navi?
This is exactly what mining operations do right now in the home of millions of humans ( the city I live in actually does this, entire neighborhoods have the rock underneath them dug out hundreds of feet down... it's supposedly safe. )
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is for sure cgi. no doubt. and some other human characters are cg also. they look kinda realistic, but the navi scenes on their home planet staight up look like a cartoon from saturday morning tv. cameron is trying to pull a fast one so he can say: "see i put a cgi human character among the real humans actors and you couldn't tell!" wow, good one. golem looks better.
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THANK YOU SIR!, That was the best footage (outside of the 3-D presentation I saw at Comic Con) I've seen on the internet.
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If you read some of this TB you can pretty much tell who the Faraci lovers are in thes thread.
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It was much better than that godawful teaser. The blue guys didn't look half as bad.
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wasting your breath. Apparantly according to some hypocrites on here only Cameron is guilty of being influenced by numerous things. You know? Like District 9 is nt influenced by Alien nation, Trek was nt influenced by Forbidden Planet, Batman isnt just Sherlock mixed with Zorro, And Lucas ripped off too many damn things to name here......Apparantly all these things are 1005 original and were created out of a blank nothingness....
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Christ, man, for a guy who already hates this movie, you sure spend a lot of energy writing about it. We get it, you think it sucks, congratulations on being such an iconoclast, I'm sure lockes is jealous. But if you're going to drone on and on about it, the least you could do is come up with something funny.
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great fun watching the useal trolls grasping at straws and just blabber on about the same ol same ol......
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must be Farci, how else can you explain this idiots obsession....
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Yes im getting a good general idea now. Little do they know they are wrong and will be proven wrong in a very short time.
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right up there. cant you read?
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Hey peoples, what do you think of the behind the scenes?
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Looks pretty but overwrought--like Titanic--there are so many awesome First Contact sci-fi stories out there in print. C'mon JC. And why is there currently a dearth of good/inspired/risk-takingly creative creature design in alien movies? Is it informed by the perceived Hollywood need for romance/bizarre sexual tension? I must know!
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I guess that means I don't get to see the movie either...oh well.
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Attention seeking failed comedian douchebags are a dime a dozen on forums like these, sadly. It works, however... look how much attention Nerd_Rage is getting here for his asshat jihad against Avatar. Trolls gotta eat.
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We all know Jim Cameron is a sucker for details.
Did James Francis Cameron actually have a hand in creating the NaVi genitalia ?
Do male NaVi`s have penis and vagina ? Would he go so far as to give them pubic lice ? Do NaVi actually have pubic hair ? they have mullets, so it is fair to say that could be the case. Lets delve into this deeper shall we ?
ok then lets go.
Will Jim actually go further and expand his universe with erotic navi novels ?
Suddenly Jake thrust into "NEFITITTYS" and became one with nature. (kind of like a very weird and new age USB port). NEFITITTTYS moaned and groaned as Jake
pounded her anus into the third dimension, Suddenly NEFITTITTYS felt her crotch
begin to contract and tighten, ("it was happening again")
(N) Jake you must stop right now
(J) Oh baby this is great.
(N) Jake stop.
(J) Thats odd i cant pull out, ouch ouch ouch
(N) Quick quick QUICK!!!
(J) I cant, it wont let me out, it has become one with you, I CANT PULL OUT. oooohhhh god HELP ME!
(N) What is god ?
(J) HELP ME I CANT PULL OUT! YOUR CRUSHING MY INTERFACE ADAPTER! MY DATA MY PRECIOUS DATA! OH GOD HEEEELLLLLPPPPP !!!
(N) This is normal Jake, it just means that we have gone further than i had planned, do not panic!
(J) WHAT ARE YOU SAYING. ARRRRAAAAGGGGHHHHH I CANT FEEL MY COCK !!!
(N) I told you to pull out!
(J) IT WONT FUCKING LET ME!!!
(N) Don't take that tone with me outlander, Jake i want you to listen to me very carefully.
(J) FUCKIN HURRY PLS GOD HELP ME!
(N) This is what happens when we conceive Jake, instead of producing protein, or what is it you call it ? "spunk" yes ? Well male NaVi don't have testicles, so how we produce is by using the penis directly.
(J) WHAT THE FUUUUUCCCKKKKK ARE YOU SAYING OH GOD FUCKING HELP ME PLEASE !!!!
(N) Calm yourself Jake, it will only be more painful when it tears itself off and wriggles up me!
(J) OH FUCK NO!!!! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(N) It will only take a few years to heal. and we will be busy with the larvae baby. you wont even miss it.
(J) YOU FUCKING BITCH I COULD HAVE GOT THE GUYS TO FUCKING GROW US A LARVE BABY!
(N) How dare you talk to me like this.
(J) OHHHHHHH GOD NOOOOOOOO ARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH ITS TEARING OFF MWWAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH
(N) STAND STILL
(J) MY COCK, MY PRECIOUS BIG BLUE BOUNCEING COCK AARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH
FLUMP
(N) That's it its crawling up me. god job Jake. your going to be a daddy.
(J) I THINK I I I IM GOI GOING TO P P P PAS
CRASH
(N) Typical, wait till you fucking find out your the one giving birth!
MEANWHILE
(EXT) Malibu,
(INT) James Cameron's mansion.
10:37pm
Dark room, the glare of a TV screen on static fills the small cluttered room with eerie light, (it glares on the eyes of one mr Jim Cameron) licking lips with satisfaction
and delight, Jim uncoils from around his laptop. "This is it, this is where i make this franchise a truly multimedia experience". I HAVE FUCKING DONE IT.
(RUNS TO BALCONY IN NOTHING BUT A BEARD AND A DRESSING GOWN, "NO SHORTS" CLUTCHING AT HIS $2000 CHAMPAGNE)
Jim screams for all who will listen to hear..
"IM THE KING OF THE FUCKING WORLD!"
Swig swig swig.
"I WILL FUCKING SHOW YOU WONDERS YOU COULDNT IMAGINE"
"FUCK LEONARDO DECAPRIO"
SWIG SWIG SWIG.
Jim wipes his mouth and a glazed expression graces his face,
"YOU FUCKING SHEEP WILL EAT UP ANYTHING I DO"
(Uncontrollable laughter)
Swig swi
Jim groans..
"fucking empty again"
Arms outstretched like Michael Jackson in earth song, bottle in one hand and the power to take down studios in the other,
"I WILL SHOW YOU FUCKING ALL MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA"
Lightning strikes thunder rumbles,
he leans over balcony.
"THERE YOU FUCKING ARE" "I SEE YOU"
WHOOOOOOSSHHHHEEEEEE
He throws the bottle, full force at the neighbors dog.
CRACK SPLINTER SMASH YELP YELP yelp yel...
Jim's face now a vision of glee.
"BINGO!!! I FUCKING NAILED YOU, YOU STUPID FUCKING DOG MWAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA DIE DIE DIE DIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA HA HA HAAAA HAA
Jim collapses and curls up laughter now turning to the agony of tears.
Sob sob sob
"I CANT GO ON, NO MATTER WHAT I DO I CANT MAKE BLUE MUPPETS LOOK REAL. WHY GOD WHY WONT THEY LEAVE ME ALONE!
Jim up now arms outstretched to the sky ( thunder crackles lightning strikes )
Screaming now,
"FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK DEVIN FARCI", FUCK PETER JACKSON! FUCK THEM UP THERE FUCKING ASSES".
Police sirens ring in the distance.
Jim collapses again, now sobbing so bad his whole body shakes.
He turns his head and wipes the champagne from his eyes and his trusty laptop snaps into focus.
an expression of knowing trust falls over his face.
He whispers to himself..
"OF COURSE, people see photo real imaging while using the imagination. I DONT EVEN NEED CGI.
"Ok i will fucking do it, i will Finnish the avatar erotica".
BANG BANG BANG
" POLICE !! SIR IS EVERYTHING OK WE HAVE HAD CALLS OF A DISTURBANCE ? "
Jim jerks up like Andy Serkis giving it full Gollum.
He screaches...
"FUCK OFF IM JAMES FUCKING CAMERON AND I CAN HAVE YOU KILLED AND BURIED ON THE TITANIC".
" Oh sorry sir we didn't know it was you, bye".
After stumbling around his mansion blindly trying to find a light to no avail,
Jim reboots his computer. the blue glare lights up the room and he hunches over his laptop like gollum eating a fish.
He clicks google and types his own name, all that comes back is a website called Marketsaw.
"WHAT THE FUCK IS A MARKETSAW ?"
Jim clicks
(He would soon regret this decision.)
The website and its contents unspool before his eyes, his expression changes from puzzlement to absolute horror.
AVATAR AVATAR AVATAR, 100% PHOTO REAL, SAM WORTHINGTON CAN ACT, JIM CAMERON MIGHT BE JESUS. BEST THING CREATED SINCE THE WHEEL, REVOLUTIONARY, HIGHEST GROSSSING FILM IN HISTORY. BATTLE ANGEL FILMING NOW JIM DOREY JIM DOREY JIM DOREY...
Jim screams into laptop,
" IM FUCKED " " YOU HAVE FUCKED ME!!! "
He jumps up off floor, laptop goes flying.
pacing backwards and forwards jim mumbles to himself.
" I CAN DO IT, I CAN DO IT". HELP ME GOD HELP ME GOD!".
(God does not answer.)
out of the corner of his eye the self proclaimed king of the world catches a glimpse of something so bad he cant bear to look, but cant bear to turn away.
It seems he missed a story.
Hunched over and in partial agony after the previous nights drunken debauchery with 3 Russian prostitutes and a big bottle of whiskey. he stumbles across the room like gollum running for a stink hole, the laptop starts to take focus again...
" NEW STARWARS TRILOGY IN 3D "
Jim falls over
" IM FUCKING FINNISHED!!!!!"
Jim darts for the balcony and hurls himself over ( like a polish gymnast )
As Jim hurtles to his death a simple thought enters his mind,
"what if i had just made The Tomb of Jesus 2"
the ground below now almost pressing in on his face, Jim's face turns to a look of utter surprise and horror before the moment of impact.
THUMP
In a cruel twist of fate, Jim landed on the dog who he had partially decapitated only 10 mins earlier.
Jims eyes open,
he can hear a dull ringing sound that is consistently getting louder.
Its his phone.
Lay face down half covered in the dogs dead juices, Jim answers his phone.
Its John Landau.
"Jim where the fuck have you been ? its fucking avatar day. Where is the fucking trailer ? these fucks are going crazy here".
" FUCK YOU LANDAU IM JAMES FUCKING CAMERON AND I WILL TEASE WHEN I WANT TO TEASE, JUST GIVE THEM THE FUCKING HACK JOB WE DID 8 MONTHS AGO".
"Fine"
"NOW IF YOU DONT MIND I AM BUSY, DEAL WITH IT YOU FUCKING AVATARD"
Jim hurls the phone at the sky. only for it moments later to land on his exceedingly sore head,
boing
Jim crawls back upstairs dusts himself off, and as the sun settles on a new day,
he sets about making the greatest fantasy immersive erotic avatar novel he can.
Marketsaw hear about this and flood the internet with kudos on a new form of fantasy erotica, the headline reads...
"JIM CAMERON IS ABOUT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE HAVE SEX FOREVER"
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Space shit never gets old.
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I'll check it out though. Always fun to see JC's ego on full blast.
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this was supposed to be the most amazing cg ever? IT LOOKS LIKE HOT DONKEY SHIT!
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Your views and beliefs are so incredibly incorrect...the human heart does not average 60 beats per minute....it's actually 72 but anywhere from 64 to 90 is NORMAL. It depends greatly on age and weight. You are what most call a tin foil beanie wearer who enjoys believing virtually anything they hear...but life isn't riddled with scandal, intrigue and mystery. Occam's razor actually dominates most elements in life (that the simplest solution tends to be correct). So, before posting any more diatribes, at least study and get your basic math and medical facts in check (so you avoid any more hysterically foolish and glaring errors).
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you seem to know a lot about that. hmmm ebonic_plague... bad pun... failed comedian? i see it now...
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He almost looks real!
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They can read minds when they touch feelers they have as part of their body so I guess that is how they learn english. On Avatar Day one scene showed Jake's Avatar using it to ride a winged dragon by linking to the animal's mind.
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Now THAT'S funny.
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I like felines.
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Oct 29, 2009 10:07:16 PM CDT
im going to watch my jj abrams star trek dvd now
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
even jj ambrams was smart enough to not put any blue furry cat people in his movie. and this is star trek!
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Oct 29, 2009 10:08:31 PM CDT
you guys are missing the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
this movie is gonna suck harder than anything that has ever sucked before. even worse than paris hilton, the bush administration, the 3 summer shitty sequels of 2007 (spider man 3, pirates 3, and yes, shrek 3) and the lack of edit button on this site.
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...are for revisionist, backtracking pussies.
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If you are embarrassed by what you typed you should not have typed it in the first place!
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OH THE AGONY!
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Oct 29, 2009 10:26:56 PM CDT
the new trailer straight up looks like Xanadu
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
and if you were honest with yourself you would know it too. (for all you youngsters, you can google Xanadu)
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http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Xanadu2.jpg
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never ending story 3
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You are not now, and never will be anything close to G@BRIEL GR@Y. Where as GG has managed to take his trolling to heights where it could be called art. You on the other hand appear a pale immitation, good luck in chaseing down omething you are not capable of. For the rest of us we will be in the cinema DAY 1 for AVATAR.
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and who is G@BRIEL GR@Y? never heard of him. i'm not chasing anyone or anything. im just being me. keepin it real. just a regular guy who thinks that avatar looks like xanadu crossed with never ending story.
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So far, this has been a mediocre/tiresome TB. AVATAR is not bringing out the best in us. We need another BATMAN TB pronto!
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against all of you bullies. you bullies who try to force people into loving avatar even though the movie has not come out yet! you bullies who wish that you could jerk off james cameron and save his cum in a jar. well, i'll tell you what. come this december, you are going to put that jar of cum on e-bay and it won't sell.
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Oct 29, 2009 10:49:40 PM CDT
"using the term EPIC FAIL = EPIC FAIL"
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
uhhh...what?
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boring.
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Hey now at least that is original, right ?
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Jar filled with cum? Who are you, Dane Cook?
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That might be the funniest thing Nerd has said yet.
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James Cameron flipped his mo in the editing bay while working on AVATAR, GUESS WHAT MOTHERFUCKER THE BABY WILL BE BLUE.
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up for the little guy" (I wonder if he does that in his best Batman voice?). Whats so damn hilarious is that almost no-one gives a shit wether he or anyone else likes or is interested in Avatar. We all just wish he would grow up and get as life, and stop annoying us with the countless unfunny, witless, and pointless posts.....
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esting or intelligent, or even (God Forbid) something DIFFERENT to say.....
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http://www.imdb.com/media/rm27104768/nm0002332
Wow! They took an actor, shaved him and put some make-up on his skull! Amazing. You would have to be seriously retarded to think Cameron (who has never used VFX gratuitously) would waste his time and money to create a CG actor that looks exactly like a real actor he could hire for 1/10th the money. All you fucknuts who said his shots looked CG just lost all credibility in being able to critique good and bad CG. -
Copy and paste one of your better posts in your opinion.
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I fear he will be conjured to appear and EVERYONE will suffer for it.To think the site had to be reformatted because of his crazy ass.
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it...you have used logic and reason here....some people's heads will now explode....
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has a nice ring to it, no?
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uwe bolle wrote and directed avatar. james cameron is in on it. he let uwe use his name so that he could redeem his career. when you guys go on opening night the opening credits will say: written and directed by uwe bolle. and you will all cry from shame!
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would you please explain where you're coming from? You seem real perceptive.
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If they were not here, you would get bored mighty fast saying: Dude1: Avatar look cool! Dude2: Yeah! Dude1: Can't wait until Dec 18th! Dude2: Yeah, my eyeballs are ovulating! Dude1: Yeah...uh, Avatar looks cool! Dude2: Yeah!
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Oct 29, 2009 11:21:37 PM CDT
CREEPYTHINMAN HERE, NERD RAGE IS MOST LIKELY THE REAL FARACI....
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
Harry and his little trained minions won’t let me post as CreepyThinMan, or with the initials CTM, because he’s a disgusting ginger pig who will hopefully be dead within a few short years like his mother who drank herself to death because of the embarrassment of having him for a son. Anywho, it’s most likely that Nerd Rage is Devin as he was quick to point out Ebonic’s misspelling of Faraci. It’s even more likely when you know that Faraci, like that other bloated pussyface McWeeny, can’t stand ANYONE on the internet talking shit about him. Oh, he tries to come off as deep and thoughtful but the truth is that he’s a squeaky voiced borderline pedophile (slobbering over Emma Watson since at least Azkaban when she was 13) with pent up sexual frustration because it’s illegal for him to wiggle his junk through the chain link fences surrounding schoolyards. Not that anyone could see his package without an electron microscope like most tough talking wop homos such as himself. Then there was his embarrassing beatdown at Fantastic Fest where he used his face as the only thing it’s good for, a fist magnet, then tried to play off his ass kicking due to the amount of beers he had when we all know that Faraci could be put in a ring with Gary Coleman and it would be like Mike Tyson whipping Stephen Hawking’s crippled ass. Faraci’s fatwa against Cameron is because he’s jealous that, pushing 40, all he’s managed to accomplish is being a piss poor writer for a website filled with sycophantic asskissers who kneel at the alter of his sub-moronic brainfarts while he bans anyone who disagrees with him. Meanwhile, at the same age, Cameron had already made The Terminator, Aliens and was knee deep in The Abyss. Devin Faraci is a loser because he has no talent other than being a fat, fairy, Mickey Mouse voiced faggot that tries to bring down people like Cameron and Christopher Nolan because they have accomplished more then he ever will. End. Of Story.
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We're getting Uwe Boll and FINAL FANTASY quips. That's not entertaining... this is like a debate on C-SPAN!
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then you can see where i come from.
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You see i told you NERD RAGE, the guy is something else. i hear of him all the time on imdb marketsaw you name it the movie site knows about him. Last i heard he had made Jim Cameron actually come out and state that he hasnt screwed avatar up lol. the guy is indeed a legend, as he so clearly made out.
I remember the days not long ago when he used to hijack every talkback and even break the threads from time to time. isnt it true that he is responceible for moriarty leaving after he went after him on here and other sites ? what else did he do ? god i miss those crazy days, BRING BACK G@BRIEL GR@Y to show these wannabe trolls how it is really done. -
sure I take the opinion of somebody like Nerd Rage as trollish. But I don't despise him or anything. And I will still listen to what he has to say, regardless of how stupid I think it is. But Devin Faraci and that Chris Gore bloke are two of the most fucking retarded so-called "film reviewers" out there. They make Ben Lyons sound like an avant-garde critic. Fuck Faraci and fuck Gore. Fucking lame ass nerds.
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but not the bad side of roids (a la Sly Stallone in any new film) more like the tasteful steroid usage. In the ass in small amounts. He looks like he can rock the shit. Also like that ominus said earlier this film probably takes place in a very long period of time. Since Worthington's hair fully grows out as you can see in the trailer.
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Troo, but I never said they were mensa!
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he is a perfect director! he's never dropped the ball! every movie he makes is so great! true lies is the best action movie ever made! terminator 2 was not the real downfall of the terminator series! you've all converted me! avatar will be fucking my eyeballs while besting the moon landing in december 2009!! i have seen the light!!!!
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FOR THOSE THAT MISSED ME POSTING THIS EARLIER... THE HUNT IS ON FOR The hunt is on for the head of Devin Farci. IMDB user Colonel Quaritch posted thi earlier on IMDB pls spread this like wildfire... PS AICN message board makes the post compressed. THE TITLE OF THE THREAD ON IMDB IS A CALL TO ARMS DEVIN FARACI EXPOSED... the artical in question follows...
PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO EVERY MAJOR MOVIE WEBSITE YOU KNOW.
Thanks colonel Quaritch.
Case in point...
EXIBIT A
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21354/1/DANCES-WITH-AVATARS/Page1.html
EXIBIT B
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21362/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-THE-5-STAGES-OF-GEEK-MOVIE-EXPERIENCE/Page1.html
EXIBIT C
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20650/1/SAM-STRANGE-REMEMBERS-AVATAR/Page1.html
EXIBIT D
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20340/1/NEW-AVATAR-POSTER-IS-SO-PHOTOREAL-IT-LOOPS-BACK-AROUND-TO-LOOKING-PHOTOSHOPPED/Page1.html
EXIBIT E
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21222/1/JAMES-CAMERON-PATRON-SAINT-OF-THE-UNLIKEABLE/Page1.html
and then there is this piece of garbage written by a moron
EXIBIT F
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21297/1/WHAT039S-THE-LATEST-CLASSIC-SCIFI-CAMERON-RIPPED-OFF/Page1.html
This is but the tip of the iceberg (pun intended)
Now i will shed some light on as to why Devin Faraci and Chud.com seem to have it in for AVATAR and the fans, and people who will actually enjoy another Cameron motion picture.
Why ? Well, it is a long story and actually quite a convoluted one, long story short, Devin actually got upset that he could not attend an advanced preview (as a member of press) to see an advanced preview of a picture that shall remain nameless. He also has a personal grudge against Jim Cameron himself. This i will explain, Devin has been blacklisted by FOX execs, the reason for this is partially down to the fact that Devin was obnoxious in reviews insulted core members of various teams and insinuated lies and lawsuits. This can even be seen today in his writings on AVATAR`s plagiarism claims. There is also it has to be said a great deal of backdoor shenanigans involving Devin and the hierarchy of FOX. In short Devin is blackballed. Devin found this out via his own message board forums. Now im not standing here trying to defend FOX`s output for the last 6 years, how could i ? What i am trying to inform you on is this... This is personal, This has nothing to do with fan expectation, it has nothing to do with the progress of cinema...
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH A PERSONAL EFFORT TO DERAIL THE PRODUCTIONS IMPACT.
Yes it is pathetic, yes it is childish, but if you read Devin for any amount of time, you realise childish is exactly what Devin is. the whole AVATAR deal on Chud.com is what the online industry describe as "Leaf littering" take your core audience turn them onto your ideals and use that in turn to attack your enemies. Very simple and very effective. It has been done before and it will continue to happen. It can be a good thing, however when the motives become personal and not representative of the greater fact, that is when moral issues arise. I have it on high authority FOX and in particular Jim Cameron is highly upset with Devin and the continuing abuse he keeps throwing at not just the production but the people who this movie is aimed at (which by the way, is everyone). If you were to lay out the level of abuse aimed at AVATAR and pin that to the production outgoings, you will clearly see that Chud and the level of attack has steadily gone up with the anticipation, until finally we see an attack so blatant and mean that it will make even the most skeptic sit up and pay attention, Devin is literally trying to get third parties involved to actually file lawsuits against the core creators of AVATAR, in particular James Cameron. I am told this is serious stuff, and fox is itching for Devin to step a foot out of line so he can be drawn over the coals. This is a very childish and personal situation Devin has created for himself. My guess is the biggest backlash will eventually fall on Devin.
"Leaf littering" turn your core audience around onto your ideals and then in turn use that to attack the ideals of your enemy.
Yes sounds like the art of war right ? Indeed, however you have to remember that
online "so called" journalism is not regulated. And if and when it is, it will be impossible to control. This can be seen as both good and bad thing, depending on your outlook.
So why am i bothering informing you on this and what can you do to right it ?
Well for one. you can sign up to Chud.com and personally tell Devin you now know
what he is up to, You can also email him directly via Chud. If you are a true AVATAR supporter and don't want to see peoples opinion affected because some hack "so called" journalist has an agenda. Then make this common knowledge between the "AVATARDS" (a phrase coined on Chud by the way.)
Not that Devin has a chance of changing the final outcome, what he can accomplish however is making the fan base appear both stupid and irrelevant and actually hurt the movie for those who use the Internet for movie news in the process.
Fact: Chud is purposely trying to hurt AVATAR simply because of unrelated events
Fact: You can put an end to this, STOP READING CHUD! the advertisement money will flounder and pretty soon chud would disappear. Not before you mail Devin your thoughts i hope.
Fact: Devin has been so negative towards AVATAR and every aspect of its production that some "less than sensitive" crew member even took things into his/her own hands and lampooned Devin in an open letter, (something which is unheard of within the industry, the moto goes... we are all in this together, keep things to yourself.) So it must be a bad state of affairs to make this actually happen.
Why am i banging on about this to you ? Why should you even care ?
Because i am one of you! I believe in Jim Cameron, For the most part i think fox is a studio run by fools and money grabbing morons, however Jim Cameron is above that, he is an artist, he makes visual motion art, How many film makers can you genuinely say have not really made a bad film ? How many film makers can you genuinely say will not compromise ? how many film makers can you say actually get the vision on screen for all to see ? NOT MANY! but Jim is one of them.
Devins main argument is that the CGI is not photo real.
But how can you judge a movie you haven't yet seen ?
How can you criticise a story you are not in know about and don't fully understand ?
Here is a nice fact for you...
Devin knows less than you reading this. if you are on these boards or are talking about avatar or have followed it even a little, my guess is that you actually know more about this movie than Devin.
FACT big movies get hyped.
FACT AVATAR is big.
FACT AVATAR will succeed.
FACT December 18th will see Devin look a fool.
FACT Devin wont get even a sniff of anything relevant to AVATAR before release.
FACT Devin will have to pay in the theatre to review this one. (a fact im sure will pain him)
FACT this is a franchise with legs (5ft blue long legs) it wont fail, the fact everyone is talking about it "everywhere" has already sealed it fate. marketing could stop now and Jim will still have a hit on his hands.
FACT Devin is a money grubbing hack, with little to no movie based knowledge of any use to the masses. Terminator Salvation 8 out of 10, a consistent planet of the apes obsession, and an unhealthy attitude towards woman and people with opinions different than his own.
i can sum him up in two words, outdated *beep*
I have written this to try and make as many of you who consider yourselves to be JC fans. and hell fans of cinema full stop. we have had to listen to Devins childish rubbish for about 12 months now.
Make him hear your voice. Flood the Chud mesage boards, send email after email to him telling him you know about the spat with FOX and that - that should not spill over into trying to maliciously hurt what we know to be the next big achievement cinema has seen since The Matrix. Not to mention the fact Jim Cameron has made it now so future directors will be able to implement and fine tune ideas on set, even if the set is not there. AVATAR IS REVOLUTIONARY.
Devin you are with out a doubt the biggest online hack fool there has ever been.
We are wise to your piss poor attempts at sabotage. And we will not let it settle. we await your Chud AVATAR review with great interest and no doubt furious anger. You think you are clever, YOU ARE NOT. We are wiser and we have the final say. This is one AVATARD that has you in his sights and will make sure as many people as possible are aware of your agenda before release of " a truly original and sincere sci fi fantasy written and directed by a visionary master of his art ".
You will fail Devin. and we are coming for you now ;-) and if word is correct, so is FOX.
Why dont you mail Devin on Chud, or leave a message and ask him why so hostile towards Jim Cameron and AVATAR ? While your at it, ask him why he is blackballed
by FOX. Then watch and behold as you are greeted with nothing but silence.
So lets do what we can in great numbers, lets make the "CHUDITES" hear us.
A CALL TO ARMS.
END OF RTICAL... i think we should maybe give devin some much needed hate mail :-)
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that is so unbelievably lame. you talk about G@BRIEL GR@Y like he's voldamorte, you pussy. fuck, this is what i have to put up with. amateur.
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Oh dear...Yeah, I actually saw some posts by him on MarketSaw. Pretty funny.Uh...any chance you're him?
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you made me laugh harder than anyone today! thank you!
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Did'ja ever here the one about a Foolish Consistency...?
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Did'ja ever here the one about a Foolish Consistency...?
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Did'ja ever here the one about a Foolish Consistency...? Wha? Got myself!
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Oct 29, 2009 11:42:19 PM CDT
TheWaqman, HEY, BACK OFF ON CHRIS GORE AND HERE'S WHY....
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
Gore founded, published and edited Film Threat magazine which was not only a damn fine movie mag but also took some ACTUAL WORK to get together unlike Internet scum like CHUD and AICN who grab articles from other sites and plagiarize them while all along accepting freebies and “pweasants” in exchange for publishing good reviews while claiming that they aren’t bound by journalistic standards or such trivial thing as honesty because they claim not to be real journalists while, at the same time, scream and cry when they don’t get their asses kissed which is exactly what Faraci has done over Fox/Cameron telling him to fuck himself. I started collecting Film Threat back in 92 and it was one of the first magazine’s that gave coverage to films such as Resevoir Dogs, El Mariachi, Clerks and prided itself on reporting on the latest indie films back when the word “indie” still meant something.
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that was hilarious.
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In that clip? Who did he bang to get into Avatar?
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I really liked the trailer, bery well done, great pacing, everything needed to entice people to want to see it.Did you check out the HD making of Avatar link that aphextwin posted above? I'll repost it for you and anyone else that hasn't seen it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =geNv6FUK0HU&fmt=22 (remove spaces) Enjoy, Cheers mate!
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I'm liking your style.
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Oct 29, 2009 11:45:27 PM CDT
RetardRage - are you Fat Farci, er Faraci, Pharisee?
by dirk_the_amoeba
Well, are ya?
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when I watch small bits of that show (can't take the whole thing, it's too bad) and he's on reviewing a dvd or film. His opinions are just so awful.
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Lil ol me? You make my pseudopod blush!
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tinyurl.com/yjq4xe4
Some spoilers in there, one important bit of story! SPOILER ((((( The Avatar is not Jake's. He's actually filling in for his brother who was taking part in the Avatar project but died for some reason. Their DNA matches so Jake is asked to fill in by some suits. )))) END SPOILER Anyway it's amazing to see more of Pandora! The colours! The various plants, trees, the different glimpses of animals! I've never seen anything like it outside of some concept art by the same artists who are now working on Avatar! Anyone who continues to say there's no originality here is a fucking Liar and a complete tool. In fact anyone not getting excited by this and outright hating it to the point of lying and dragging everyone down to their pathetic level is, frankly, inhuman. A fucking alien. And I demand they be strapped down, dragged out of their homes and shipped to District 9 where they can be humiliated, covered in their own feces and made to eat cat food before we put them on a remote controlled ship on a course towards the Sun. -
Of course im not, I couldnt possibly manage to destroy the reputation of a AICN single handidly, or indeed hack into the main servers and take down the site make a key writer leave, or even hijack every talkback and destroy all hope of conversation other than insults. Lmao no im not him. Oh how i miss him though. For those not familiar with G@BRIEL GR@Y he he is the internets biggest and most succesfull troll. Did he really make the site get reformatted ?
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Yer welcome buddy, Night all.
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Oct 29, 2009 11:52:07 PM CDT
This will be a great movie, but the keygrips need to stop postin
by dirk_the_amoeba
We know who you are *wink wink*
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Yeah...I had a feeling that was you.I don't know that you destroyed the reputation of AICN "single handedly"...and you certainly did NOT make a key writer (Moriarty) leave. But all that other stuff, yep.
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So, Jake had a twin brother then- but something tells me the twin may not be dead.
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hero for bitchslapping Devin fuckhead Farci do good. I agree with every damn line you wrote. yOU sir are a damn professional....
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http://tinyurl.com/2weh76
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I think this will be a good film. An enjoyable one. Probably not the 'game-changer' it's been touted as but I always try to ignore any hype.
I've always lumped Cameron in with filmmakers like Bay and Luca (prequels only) - they know how to use special effects and create good action set-pieces. But I reckon Cameron is one step above those guys, in that the story usually matches (or almost matches) the quality of the effects and action. He somehow manages to give us that emotional connection to the story that Bay and Lucas (prequels only) lack. I'm talking overall storyline here - Cameron is guilty of some chessy dialogue, but that sometimes works for the better (i.e. pretty much all of Bill Paxton's lines in Aliens).
I think this is illustrated in the success of Titanic (the only one of his movies I don't really like) - the story is the only possible way he got so many of the 'ignorant mass' hooked!
I really hope this movie succeeds, and succeeds well - it will open the doors to more movies of its ilk. Looking forward to seeing it in 3D too - again success in this area will encourage more filmmakers to explore the medium. -
I'm a-feared! The internetz greatest troll is free! By seven sacred scrolls of starkist! Charlie protect me!
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Oct 29, 2009 11:59:21 PM CDT
Blakindigo, I ACTUALLY LOVE THE NEW TRAILER…..
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
When the teaser came out, I was the one yelling THUNDERSMURFS HOOOOO because after soo many years it felt very underwhelming, not to mention the whole Dances with Wolves vibes it gave off. I still have some issues with what I saw, namely the piss poor casting (Worthington, Rodriguez, Rabisi and Lang because of his shitty line readings, I mean, “you're...not...in...Kansas...anymore........you're...on...Pandora” sounded terrible to me and not just because it’s a stupid line) and the fact that it still feels like Dances with Thundersmurfs. But the new trailer now has me wanting to actually see this in a theatre. I don’t know if it will be great, or even good, but the epic scale guarantee’s that it has my money, however, the quality, or lack there of, is what will depend whether or not this demands multiple viewings. Cameron’s track record makes me give him the benefit of the doubt but if it’s not the end all be all of cinema then I won’t be crushed either as I don’t get my hopes up, most especially since the debacle of The Phantom Menace.
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Seems that the Avatar project costs a fuckton of money. The suits mention that and they don't want to lose that investment so they are trying to get Jake to fill in. Sounds like Jake is literally a former Marine. He's off no use but has finally got a chance to get back in the game. The suits also might've promised him to pay for surgery to give him back his legs. So he's kind of the lapdog for a company who might also be the same one trying to get the unobtanium. They probably are the same ones who are funding the Avatar project. Looks like they might actually be tring to find a diplomatic solution and work something out with the Na'vi, but there's pressure from Earth to get it fast because they're at war with possibly other human colonies elsewhere in the galaxy or maybe some other alien race. Jake might've been involved in that very conflict that lost him his legs.
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I've read _Call Me Joe_. (You can too; it's in the Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume II, the one with the novellas.)It's a fine piece of work, but it's _nothing_ like _Avatar_, and to say it's being ripped off by Cameron is ludicrous. The only point of similarity is the use of a human mind in an artificially created body to move about a world inhospitable to humans. What's done with that single shared element is completely different in each case, as even the Wikipedia description cited above shows. _Call Me Joe_ does not have an indigenous race that Joe's trying to blend in with, much less one that he comes to feel part of and switches allegiance to.
_Call Me Joe_ itself comes after a story by Clifford Simak called _Desertion_ (later incorporated into Simak's clssic _City_), which features a man transformed into something that can survive on Jupiter, and who doesn't want to return to being human. Did Anderson rip off Simak? Were lawsuits filed? Did they refuse to speak to each other at conventions? No, no & no. Both were part of the continuing sf tradition that it's all right to borrow elements from other stories as long as you combine them in fresh ways and make them your own. Cameron is one of the few (perhaps only) Hollywood directors aware of that tradition, who says things like "a robot off an Analog cover", who actually reads sf rather watching sf movies. He knows that what he's done is standard practice in the field, and I'm sure he expects and hopes that future filmmakers will pay him the same sort of tribute. -
When you get banned - again, as we know you will - very soon. I suggest your new name be: HarryFaraciDevilSpawn
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Damnit, practically every shot they're put out so far is a money shot! Fucking beautiful and epic, even the most mundane scenes look interesting to just look at... Guess this virtual cinematography really is a great tool in teh director's hands. Cameron must've literally spent hours just moving the camera about the fully recorded virtual scenes just to get the shot that he wants or that looks best! This film is fucking revolutionary for the industry!
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I am not him. But i am pretty sure he was the reason Moriarty left... Pavlovs dogs rings a bell. But if you are content with me actually being GG then fine. I am not however. I heard GG was someone famous, though for the life of me i cant think who. the reason i remember him well is simply because he was funny. and anyone who hacks into AICN and literally takes down the site is fucking great in my book. i remember a certain thread harry wrote where GG did nothing but tell harry how he fucked his wife. but the funny thing was harry couldnt remove the post lmao. he used to call harry JABBA THE FUCKING HUTT lmfao.
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Or maybe there's a war going on ON Earth, over dwindling resources, which makes this "unobtanium" so important in deciding the conflict? But we see two different looking versions of Jake in the clips, one with the Marine buzz cut and another with the longer hair. Now, his "dead" twin brother has longer hair too. Could there be two Sullys in this thing? Probably not, but the twin angle has me curious.
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Geez Louise! It will be ok! Cut the hyperion! The movie will make money! I swear I will see it twice!
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Yaks are above reproach and Amoebas!
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I meant to say "actually reads sf rather than watching sf movies". Bygones.
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Oct 30, 2009 12:23:24 AM CDT
ANYONE ELSE LOVE THE PHOTOGRAPHY OF AVATAR?
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
I’m so fucking sick of monochromatic and desaturated cinematography, especially in Sci-fi movies, so it’s been a great relief that we are starting to get flicks such as Avatar and Star Trek which aren’t afraid of using a rich color palette instead of the usual grey/brown “gritty” look that has plagued cinema for too long. A good example of how this doesn’t work is Terminator Salvation. It looks fucking terrible. It’s just so dull and lifeless, which may be the point of a nuclear wasteland, but I had seen a behind the scene’s featurette beforehand (that was obviously shot on HD) and everything looked so gorgeous that I was crushed by how unappealing the finished film looked. This isn’t to say that everything has to be candy colored but it also doesn’t mean that it has to look like shit either.
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About a Star Wars movie having one thing in common with Avatar. But it isn't Phantom Menace, as the Gungans had technology, it's Retun of the Jedi with the Ewoks vs. the Empire. The rebel humans joined with the ewok tribe to help overthrow the evil empire. Get your shit right Nerd Rage.
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And "cut the hyperion!" is one of the wittiest lines in this whole damned TB. You're a TB version of Craig Ferguson- very quirky and on-point.
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I can't remember the last time I was there. Didn't know the chud guys were being bitches about this movie. Lame.
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I actually enjoyed Phantom Menace. I feel that the galaxy belongs to George Lucas and I as a fan, can only visit. I enjoy all 6 of the SW films. But I really am looking forward to Avatar.
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shit together if he was standing in horse shit in the middle of a shit field on a shit farm....
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I think the Jake with long hair is indeed Jake. He only gets it cut when he returns to the marines which is the standard crew cut. They show a dead body under some black sheets which I'm guessing is his brother. I tihnk there could be some fucked up angle where part of his brother's consciousness still resides within the Avatar that Jake finds from time to time that may unravel more of the plot and what's going on. I wonder if it might be possible for them both to share the same consciousness and Avatar body while his Bro's body is destroyed. Or if there's some way of restoring it that Jake wants to fight for... There may also be a real conflict of interests where Jake wants to side with the Earth military and his brother is actually the one with sympathy for the Na'vi. They sound like polar opposites. Jake being the military show off tough guy, and his brother possibly the naturalist scientist tree hugger. I'm just wildly speculating here, but it would be an interesting sci-fi angle to explore where the consciousness of a dead man also resides alongside Jake in the Avatar's body.
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with you dude, I love how colorful it is and I am so glad its going against the overused and now boring muted washed out color palette Hollywood has been useing for years ever since Spielberg and Janus Kaminski teamed up.....The cinematography of Avatar does indeed look beautiful....
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THANK YOU, southafricanguy! I appreciate someone paying attention to what's going on. Kaminski is all wrong for Spielberg. He should be working on Ralph Fiennes period-piece movies.
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Oct 30, 2009 12:48:36 AM CDT
OH AND SHAKESPEARE WASN’T ALL THAT ORIGINAL…..
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
You think that anyone creates anything in a vacuum? Afraid not. It’s been rumored that, yes, even William Shakespeare himself riffed heavily off of Christopher Marlowe and it’s even been suggested that the name Shakespeare was an alias for Marlowe who some people claim faked his death after he had been charged with blasphemy for some of his writings. Furthermore, even if that wasn’t true, it would be very interesting to go back in time and check out the books and parchments on Shakespeare’s shelves and see what materials he used as “inspiration” for his own work. The point is that everything popular has been either an amalgamation of various other works or outright ripped off from one source or another. Also, we have seen just about every variation of story and structure in existence so it is impossible for anyone to co me up with a truly “original” idea. However, that doesn’t mean that certain familiar elements can’t be shuffled around to create new variations that give the impression of originality nor does that mean that we shouldn’t or couldn’t enjoy these redux’s. You know why the story of Avatar is soo familiar. It’s because if you know anything of human nature then you know that Avatar’s story of imperialism and fighting against what is wrong has been played out over and over for centuries, if not for a few millennia, during every culture that has ever existed. Stay for part two of my lecture where I tell you how you can increase your penis length by 6 inches using only a rope, a cinder block and a bridge.
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think its time for Spielberg to ditch Kaminski. Im really glad to see that Cameron is nt falling for that shit one damn bit. Again, Avatar is so colorful looking, a visual feast....
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Oct 30, 2009 1:06:06 AM CDT
JANUSZ KAMINSKI IS A FUCKING TERRIBLE DP.....
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
Ironically, his best work was on Vanilla Ice’s EPIC motion picture debut Cool As Ice, so it’s no wonder why Spielberg decided that he would be the PERFECT person to film Schindler’s List since Cool As Ice was, in it’s own way, as bad if not worse then the holocaust. Jokes aside the guy is fucking horrible and his “style” consists of sitting during post and telling the techies “no, less color and slap a blue/grey filter over everything”. You know who is a great DP when it comes to a dark color palette, Darius Khondji, who did David Fincher’s best looking movie (Se7en) and was also DP on Delicatessen and The Beach.
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I mean, it sounds like the dumbest theory I have maybe ever heard. Why CG a dude who actually exists and looks just like that. Making a young Arnold for Terminator, I get that. This, what the fuck? That is some silly shit.
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Oct 30, 2009 1:12:07 AM CDT
SPIELBERG SHOULD WORK WITH PETER SUSCHITZKY......
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
Now, HE, is a master DP. For those of you that don’t know, Mr. Suschitzky was DP on The Rocky Horror Picture Show, The Empire Strikes Back and Mars Attacks while being joined at the hip with David Cronenberg since 1988 when he first worked with him on Dead Ringers. A fucking professional unlike that knob Kaminski.
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Looks like part Aliens and meets a Pixar flick with guns. I want to like it, I'm rooting for old James but there's something about it that isnt working.
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but, I'd defend Janusz Kaminski as very good. Harris Savides, Christopher Doyle and Malik Sayeed are also some of the best DP's of the current generation.
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please try to remember this is aicn talkback. It s like a magnet for conspiracy theorists.
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yeah exactly, but trying telling that to some of the nutjobs on this site that now are trying their best to make out like Cameron is the one and only person to use their influences thusly. Dont you know how he has ripped off and stolen?? they keep repeating like retards. Nevermind that they never will or can answer when you ask them about all the "ripping off" done by Lucas, Rodeenberry, Bob Kane, Blomkamp, etc.....
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to poop on!
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Glad you mentioned Suschitzky. I think he's about 50%(+?) of why Empire is the best of the series. I always wondered, though, how involved he was with the lighting of the FX shots, because even the space battles have a certain bluish cast and a hue to them that looks different than ANH and ROTJ. I mean I'm sure he gave them guidance, but it's pretty amazing how the entire movie adheres to a certain feel. And the Falcon scenes flying into and out of Cloud City have the same beauty... so that made me think, 'Shit, are they ever going to come out with a massive Making of Empire' book, like the ANH one that I have and love. Checked Amazon and it comes out March 23, 2010... can't wait. I wish books like that would be done for all classic films. Massive and FUCKING DETAILED. Also, talking cinematographers, I like Harris Savides, Roger Deakins, and Robert Elswit. Also, not sure how many people realize this, but on the Scorsese Rolling Stones doc, Shine a Light, most of the camera operators are some of the top D.P.'s in the world, including Andrew Lesnie(LOTR), Elswit (There Will Be Blood), Emmanuel Lubezki (Children of Men), David Dunlap (American Gangster, and a shit ton of others! Kind of brings it full circle with The Last Waltz, where Scorsese had people like Vilmos Zsigmond, Laszlo Kovacs, and John Toll. That's some camera crew!
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And of course Roger Deakins work is extraordinary. Robert Elswit's work is simply stunning.
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Agreed. Fight Club was too shadowy.
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the ratio is great for blu ray, not so much for theaters
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Yes, Cameron shot himself in the foot for saying 2 years straight it was photorealistic. Yes, I get it. We can all get past exaggerated claims like that from a filmmaker who is promoting his product. It's a movie about aliens vs. space marines (fuck it, Colonial Marines!). Last time Cameron did a movie about that, it turned out to be pretty fucking good. I'm just stoked to see the load lifters again. I still say 3 hours in 3-D will get really irritating, but the shit looks cool. And animated. But I always viewed that as a window into a world that can't exist in reality. So I'm down with that. And, honestly, I go back to my main point who gives a FLYING FUCK if it looks like a cartoon? I mean, honestly.
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That movie turned out just damn fine in 1:85 if you ask me.
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Oct 30, 2009 3:22:59 AM CDT
Actually, only the 3D-version is 1,85:1 -- the 2D is 2,35:1
by motoko kusanagi
another reason to watch it in 2D.2,35:1 is my most loved aspect ratio.
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Oct 30, 2009 3:53:41 AM CDT
lavatory love machine, NOTHING WRONG WITH 1:85:1 RATIO……
by sciencefictiondoublefeature
To be perfectly honest, I prefer it to the usually vaunted 2:35:1 ratio otherwise know as Cinemascope. That ratio bothers me because it makes people look small in frame and usually leaving a lot of dead space as I call it. You have to remember that Cinemascope was created because the advent of Television was severely cutting into audience numbers as people decided to stay home rather then go to their local cinema. Hollywood, typically, decided to try to get people back into the cinema, not by making better movies (of course not) but, instead, thought that making the screen and image W-I-D-E-R would draw them in. In fact, the whole point of Cinemascope was to show off panoramic vistas which, IMHO, takes away from the actors as the focus is no longer on them but the environment’s and backgrounds.Have there been great movies made in Cinemascope, FUCK YEAH, but I noticed more and more, as widescreen videos and DVD’s became the norm, that I preferred the 1:85:1 ratio as it feels more intimate and puts more focus on the actors while allowing the Director to pack the frame more tightly. When I make this argument, some smart asses say “how about 1:33:1?” which is practically a square box but there is nothing wrong with that either as the original Night of the Living Dead, Carnival of Souls and Invasion of the Body Snatchers were all shot in that format. 1:85:1 just, to me, feels like the right amount of height and width and the main reason is that when you go for an extreme close up, the actors face totally DOMINATES the screen. My favorite example is in Friday the 13th when Alice says “Then he’s still there” and turns to face the screen, eyes looking slightly off to the side. A better example, and good comparison, is The Silence of the Lambs. Jonathan Demme has a particular style where he usually has characters talking directly into the camera when they are regarding each other. His use of this in Lambs is masterful, most especially in the final scene between Starling and Lecter when their faces are in full close up and nothing else exists outside of these two characters and their conversation. It’s beautiful and there is NOTHING to distract your attention. In comparison, look at that fucking hack Ratner’s The Red Dragon. He shot it in Cinemascope and when he tried to pull the same trick with Lecter and Graham, it doesn’t have the same effect because too much of the background is showing and taking away from the dialogue. A smart Director could have made those shots interesting by putting the backgrounds out of focus or darkening them so that Lecter and Graham had nothing but darkness behind them but, as we all know, Ratner isn’t smart enough to do anything that clever. It seems to me that Cinemascope is only good for a few things, namely, showing off the environment’s (as previously stated) and its also very good for action movies where the camera is moving at a high speed as Cinemascope enhances the sensation of velocity which is why t worked soo well for the trench scene in Star Wars. But this is just my opinion and I’m sure that many of you will tell me otherwise and maybe you’re right but, consider this, both The Terminator and Aliens were shot in 1:85:1 and they are, by far, Cameron’s tightest films both narratively and visually. I know that Cameron has shot Avatar in 2:35:1 for regular theatrical release but I really want to see his 1:85:1 cut which what will be projected in IMAX 3D.
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The movie sucks hairy balls, but it's pretty.
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Right on, 2.35:1 is beautiful when used properly, by directors and cinematographers that understand framing and composition.
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It's actually 18 and a half years.
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That's because it was shot by the late, great Alex Thomson, DP on Excalibur, The Keep, Legend, Demolition Man and Branagh's Hamlet.
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Right on about Manhunter vs Red Dragon.
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They fail to impress most for several reasons. Which are - It's on the small screen. There's no big celebrity attached. The scenes are taken out of context and with no character development. It doesn't carry any emotion, but the main reason is because we've been over saturated with CG for years. The process to reach Avatar style CG effects, happened gradually. So there's no big WOW factor. This isn't like seeing Jurassic Park for the first time, which took a big leap in special effects technology. Now that doesn't mean the full length movie won't impress on the big screen. I'm just talking about the two Avatar Trailers so far.
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This could be fun. Or it could be Dances w/ Wolves w/ big Bloo ThunderKats and Ewoks. Who knows?
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It's HIM. Now all we need is AnimalParts to come dragging in from whatever SS reunion show he's at, and we'll be in business.
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The trailers have impressed a lot of people, including me. And that second trailer certainly conveys emotion.
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...To all the studio-hired shills joining us on this thread. Howdy-do, asshats!
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Here's why (http://tinyurl.com/yfck7cy):
QUOTE"...I started getting early warning signals by phone and along the Internet that somebody was preparing a script that seemed to be a pretty blatant rip-off of my 'Soldier' script from Outer Limits," recalled (Harlan) Ellison. "I heard from a journalist [and now successful TV producer/writer] Tracy Torme [writer/producer of Fire in the Sky, based on the true story of Latter-day Saint lumberjack and alleged alien abductee Travis Walton]. He called and told me, 'I need to tell you something. I was visiting on the set of The Terminator when Cameron was shooting and I asked him where he got the idea.' Cameron arrogantly told him, 'Oh, I ripped off a couple of Harlan Ellison stories.'"
Ellison was not particularly interested in suing James Cameron over the matter, but unfortunately there was physical evidence that was difficult for Ellison's attorneys to ignore. James Cameron and girlfriend (and Terminator producer) Gale Anne Hurd had contacted Starlog magazine and demanded that they send the galleys of the as-yet unpublished interview the magazine had conducted with James Cameron about The Terminator. When Starlog refused, Hurd threatened to sue them, so then sent the material. From: Shapiro, pages 130-131:
When the article came back to Starlog [from Hurd and Cameron], it had only one change. In the first paragraph Cameron was asked where he got the idea for Terminator and Cameron's response was, 'Oh, I took a couple of Outer Limits segments.' That quote was the only thing that was missing. What Cameron and Hurd did not know was that Starlog still had copies of the original galley and the original transcript. And so [Ellison] had the smoking gun." END QUOTE
Same old shit, different year, and fuck the writers who created the premise in the first place. -
EEYEAAAAAAAAAH!
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The story looks pretty lame though. Meh.
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I think I have seen this movie before..So in this one Jar-jar's speech impetement is cured and he has a girlfriend...cool...PASS.
I don't care if Cameron filmed it in 100% digital gold, looks like a big, heaping pile of steaming, typically contrived, underdog vs the man with a bogus opposites attract love story piece of crap...How about something creative, like the Army kills all the mutant killer smurfs...Now that I can dig, but I can go through my DVD collection and find this movie under a diffferent title...Can't wait for all the AIC guys to "fake" gush over it to try to sucker us top go see it, uhh I mean drum up money for Cameron, oh no really I meant was Oh, screw it you know what I mean... -
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same old trick, post under different aliases, to give the idea the whole world hates what is coming.
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You know that Naavi guy who turns around and has the fierce look when Jake lands in the forest in the helecopter, well he's wearing a neck band/necklace that says 'TWAT' on it lol, i guess the marines were handing them out as gifts! lol.
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The problem is that those who spouted "Dances with Thundersmurfs" and "Ferngully Wars" religiously when the teaser came out are now invested in that position. They have taken a position and are now incapable of changing it. To them, changing their position would mean a fundamental re-evaluation of their entire personal universe because they will have devoted so much to their entrenchment of this position.
So, even if this thing is immense and amazing when it comes out, they will be unable to admit this to themselves or others and it will eat them up inside.
They will then argue, online, from an increasingly desperate position and resort to the realms of pure fantasy to support their position (e.g. AsimovLives trying to claim that Star Trek 2009 was a commercial failure).
This kind of behaviour seems to be especially prevalent in movie geeks, religious fundamentalists and hardcore people on either side of the political spectrum.
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Makes me feel I'm getting my money's worth. 1.85:1 makes me feel ripped off. That's just the way my brain works.
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No two ways about it.
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Oct 30, 2009 9:04:58 AM CDT
trailer F*CKING RULES!! FINALY NO SHACKY CAM BULLSHIT
by sherlock_junior
Cameron knows how to stage and shoot action
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I wish there was more shakey-cam. It makes me feel like I am actually in the action. This way it looks too much like it was staged for the shot. (end auto-contrary position mode) ;)
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But the trailer looks like an PS3 game preview (and the story seems telegraphed a mile away). I have faith in Cameron but very low expectations at this point. I’d rather see a great story than a bunch of money shots of people jumping on the backs of pterodactyls .
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But that's just me, I prefer a well-choreographed fight over pixels. I must be crazy.
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Oct 30, 2009 10:09:48 AM CDT
I prefer 2.35:1 also. Think Leone, early Spielberg, "2001"
by blakindigo
etc. But, Cronenberg OWNS 1.85:1
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Now THAT'S a trailer, gents!To those who can't get a rush from this...my condolences.Remember how great you felt when you saw the trailer to ALIENS? That's how I feel right now...TIMES TEN!
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I love that phrase oh so much!
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To the haters of this flick, I would really like to know what other new age flick you would rather be watching over this. Just want to know. After seeing this trailer, they ain't anything else as big time or as full on as this.
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Here's how my brain works: When I see a 1.85:1 movie on my TV it looks infinitely more badass than any 2 ratio or up picture. Face it, movies spend the overwhelmingly vast majority of their life on the small screen. I wish studios would realize this and crop these fucking super ultra cinerama movies to 1.85:1 for home video. Do you have a fucking cinerama screen in your house? Well the rest of us don't. The whole point of a widescreen TV is to make watching movies more natural. If I want wasted black space on the top and bottom, I'll go back to watching on a square TV.
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it would crop off important visuals that the director framed to be seen. Well how about idiot directors start shooting their double plus ratio pictures with a 1.85:1 matte, so they can release the whole print in theaters to wow a giant crowd for a few weeks but keep in mind how the movie is going to look for the entire rest of posterity.
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do what Kubrick did for the Shining: crop the top and bottom off for theatres, then un-matte for home video.
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SGU kicks so much ass right now that it makes AVATAR look super gay.
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thats nice
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that Stargate is better than Avatar?
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I'm hesitant to even post this, but after seeing this trailer, I've got a scary feeling that I've already guessed the ending, and it's pretty obvious. The Na'vi live in harmony with nature and are completely "attuned" to the planet's environment and ecology. The military is willing to destroy the Na'vi in order to secure the supply of the superconductor mineral Unobtanium. Well, guess what? The mineral probably gives the Na'vi special powers, and the Na'vi's "life force" probably gives the mineral its special qualities. Destroy the Na'vi, and the mineral becomes worthless. I'd be willing to bet that the film ends with the Na'vi almost completely wiped out, but the military (and Earth) also loses completely, because they destroyed the very element that they fought so hard for. Bottom line is, it would be an incredibly sad, bitter, ironic ending perfectly suited for "The Outer Limits" and "The Twilight Zone," and why Sigourney Weaver reportedly cried her eyes out when the saw the finished film. Call me crazy, but I'll be surprised if the film doesn't end this way.
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Oct 30, 2009 12:29:19 PM CDT
Those weren't tears coming out of Sigourney Weaver's eyes
by anything but tangerines
It was man juice
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rite now
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AVATAR might have the latest bells and whistles but the story is stale. watch SG-1 or SGU and youll see what good stories look like.
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At least it wasn't in the scriptment. But who knows, Cameron may have substantially changed it.Stargate = Avatar's faecal matter
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Oct 30, 2009 1:05:11 PM CDT
kwisatzhaderach...yes those people exist
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
If people like Nerd_Rage are capable of those thought processes anything is possible. Since coming to this site I have seen people bash Cameron, Spielberg, Kubrick, Lean, even Kurosawa. Once some prick even called Apocalypse Now shit. I am no longer surprised by the level of stupidity that is thrown around with gay abandon here. Just depressed by it.
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Nope. Still retaining their maidenhead as this trailer didn't make me think this wasn't Aliens vs. Ferngully.
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It's been done. http://i38.tinypic.com/2dakig0.jpg
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Sam Worthington? Michelle Rodreguez? I hate that dirty hoar.
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And I'm betting most of the time it'll be the guys piloting the mechs. It's easier to just CG them in there during big battles but they'll switch to a live actor during closeups and in cockpit views. But hell I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron and crew did sneak in some completely CG guys in there from time to time since at least for models that would be needed non gratuitiously anyway. I believe even the Matrix Revolutions snuck in some complete 100% CG shots of Smith and Neo at non noticable times when CG was not needed. But I can't be sure.
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trailer
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and plagiarize other peoples work. He is a hero and a God.... am I right?
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not available in my area.
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then they, and everyone you know, comes crawling back...
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LEAVE AVATAR ALONE!!! *cry* *sob* Oh the butthurt, somebody call a wambulance!
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Playing video games...not watching them.
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in style!
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i hating watching AVATAR "the Game pretending to be a movie" too.
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Same here. What's weird for me is that no matter if 99% of people enjoy and say positive things about a movie that should be considered a classic, like The Godfather (THE classic), if just three people say something incredibly stupid it depresses me. So much so that I promise myself I'll just stay off the internet and especially message boards... but it is addicting. Why do we even give a shit what someone else thinks of something we like? I don't know... maybe some are fine, but I guess I'm not that evolved... yet. But yeah, I actually think the Youtube comments are, quite literally, the detritus of human thought. It makes Talkback look like a beacon of hope and reasonable thought. Oh, and seriously, people on here have bashed KUROSAWA? What bad could you possibly say about him? Bashing Kubrick is over the top to begin with, but Kurosawa was a no-bullshit artist to his very core. If you don't like his movies, fine, but what you get here are enlightened comments like, "He didn't mean shit to cinema," or, "Only pussies like you think that pretentious twat director's movies are any good."
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Oct 30, 2009 2:17:41 PM CDT
what a fucking circle jerk this talkback is!
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
jesus fucking christ! are these the same people who were flaming the transformers 2 talkbacks? yes, they were. the same people flaming the gi joe talkbacks? yes, they were. now they are the mutual masturbation society! this movie is so unbelievably lame looking. i am embarrassed for everyone in this talkback who is raving about this cat-puke of a cgi money waster. well, im done. now you can get back to jerking eachother off about your favorite aspect ratios. idiots.
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Don't you ever get tired of pimping that lame shit, SU?
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Oct 30, 2009 2:26:12 PM CDT
These over-the-top hater antics are so fucking lame!!!
by mr. nice gaius
Lawd almighty! You guys are bigger losers than you are trolls!Proceed with your Hate-Fap, gentlemen. Just remember to clean up after yourselves; you don't want your poor, dear mommy to find your nerd leavings.
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Oct 30, 2009 2:27:35 PM CDT
STARGATE UNIVERSE GAVE NEW MEANING TO THE WORD AWESOME!!!!!
by dioxholsterreturns
so no i never get tired. coz it fucking rocks man!
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Since he himself is a self-loathing misogynist it's no surprise that he projects this onto Cameron.Dickholster - it's not half as bad as you trying to pretend Stargate is anything other than cheap TV sci-fi crap deriving from a movie that came from the mind of the modern day Irwin Allen.Ah, these haters have had their day; Avatar is going to triumph and there's not a damn thing their sewage like minds can do about it. What fun to watch!!!
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..then diox cold spend the day chatting with himself.
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That franchise is like the Play-doh factory of sci-fi shows. Just load the Play-doh factory with cheese and... ***SPLAT!***... out squirts another STARGATE show!Garbage.
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i am truly blown away. i cannot believe that the people who post on this site are looking forward to this saturday morning cartoon. do you like mad max? if so, then how can you like avatar? do you like 2001 space odyssey? then how can you like avatar? avatar is like the movie version of a ten year old playing with action figures. (and if you think thats cool, then you have terrible taste in movies and should stick to watching chronicles of riddick).
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"AVAT FOREVER by Spacezilla CANNOT WAT YEEEHA !"
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Oct 30, 2009 2:46:59 PM CDT
okay tell me why you think STARGATE UNIVERSE is not better than
by dioxholsterreturns
did you even watch it yet? idiots
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Deal with it.And did you bother to read Spacezilla's other post (the one that's 4 more down)? Hardly reads like the first one, does it? No, I'd say the first post is classic internet shorthand nerd-speak. Apparently, the joke was lost on you.
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watch SGU tonight and see what im talking about! or just stay stupid!!
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Oct 30, 2009 2:50:42 PM CDT
"Why STARGATE UNIVERSE is not better than _____" by MNG
by mr. nice gaius
***SPLAT!***Presto! Here is another STARGATE show! We'll call this one STARGATE UNIVERSE! It will be cool and edgy...but not really!
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"Since he himself is a self-loathing misogynist it's no surprise that he projects this onto Cameron."
do you know what a misogynist is?
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Suck it, loser!
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stargate, in general, is for sure better than avatar. not because stargate is good, but because avatar sucks.
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that is just too far! calling me "over the top" is just rude and disrespectful! to you i say, good day, sir! (over the top is your favorite movie)
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Especially on a Friday night?! Shouldn't you be going out? And getting laid?Oh wait...we're talking about Dioxholster here.Nevermind! Enjoy your lame show tonight!
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A misogynist is someone who hates women, therefore Faraci/Tranny projects his own misogynistic attitude onto Cameron, by accusing Cameron of being a wife-beater. Clear?Like I said above, you seem to lack basic reading comprehension skills - as you've mow proved twice over in this TB.You fail at life - but you sure provide great entertainment. Continue making an ass of yourself so we can all laugh at you. If big Jim was here, he'd laugh too.
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your writing skills are horrible. you are vague and ambiguous. like your sexuality.
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you would be sucking on "little jim". and he would finish on your eyeballs. zing!
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PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO EVERY MAJOR MOVIE WEBSITE YOU KNOW.
Thanks colonel Quaritch.
Case in point...
EXIBIT A
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21354/1/DANCES-WITH-AVATARS/Page1.html
EXIBIT B
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21362/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-THE-5-STAGES-OF-GEEK-MOVIE-EXPERIENCE/Page1.html
EXIBIT C
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20650/1/SAM-STRANGE-REMEMBERS-AVATAR/Page1.html
EXIBIT D
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/20340/1/NEW-AVATAR-POSTER-IS-SO-PHOTOREAL-IT-LOOPS-BACK-AROUND-TO-LOOKING-PHOTOSHOPPED/Page1.html
EXIBIT E
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21222/1/JAMES-CAMERON-PATRON-SAINT-OF-THE-UNLIKEABLE/Page1.html
and then there is this piece of garbage written by a moron
EXIBIT F
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/21297/1/WHAT039S-THE-LATEST-CLASSIC-SCIFI-CAMERON-RIPPED-OFF/Page1.html
This is but the tip of the iceberg (pun intended)
Now i will shed some light on as to why Devin Faraci and Chud.com seem to have it in for AVATAR and the fans, and people who will actually enjoy another Cameron motion picture.
Why ? Well, it is a long story and actually quite a convoluted one, long story short, Devin actually got upset that he could not attend an advanced preview (as a member of press) to see an advanced preview of a picture that shall remain nameless. He also has a personal grudge against Jim Cameron himself. This i will explain, Devin has been blacklisted by FOX execs, the reason for this is partially down to the fact that Devin was obnoxious in reviews insulted core members of various teams and insinuated lies and lawsuits. This can even be seen today in his writings on AVATAR`s plagiarism claims. There is also it has to be said a great deal of backdoor shenanigans involving Devin and the hierarchy of FOX. In short Devin is blackballed. Devin found this out via his own message board forums. Now im not standing here trying to defend FOX`s output for the last 6 years, how could i ? What i am trying to inform you on is this... This is personal, This has nothing to do with fan expectation, it has nothing to do with the progress of cinema...
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH A PERSONAL EFFORT TO DERAIL THE PRODUCTIONS IMPACT.
Yes it is pathetic, yes it is childish, but if you read Devin for any amount of time, you realise childish is exactly what Devin is. the whole AVATAR deal on Chud.com is what the online industry describe as "Leaf littering" take your core audience turn them onto your ideals and use that in turn to attack your enemies. Very simple and very effective. It has been done before and it will continue to happen. It can be a good thing, however when the motives become personal and not representative of the greater fact, that is when moral issues arise. I have it on high authority FOX and in particular Jim Cameron is highly upset with Devin and the continuing abuse he keeps throwing at not just the production but the people who this movie is aimed at (which by the way, is everyone). If you were to lay out the level of abuse aimed at AVATAR and pin that to the production outgoings, you will clearly see that Chud and the level of attack has steadily gone up with the anticipation, until finally we see an attack so blatant and mean that it will make even the most skeptic sit up and pay attention, Devin is literally trying to get third parties involved to actually file lawsuits against the core creators of AVATAR, in particular James Cameron. I am told this is serious stuff, and fox is itching for Devin to step a foot out of line so he can be drawn over the coals. This is a very childish and personal situation Devin has created for himself. My guess is the biggest backlash will eventually fall on Devin.
"Leaf littering" turn your core audience around onto your ideals and then in turn use that to attack the ideals of your enemy.
Yes sounds like the art of war right ? Indeed, however you have to remember that
online "so called" journalism is not regulated. And if and when it is, it will be impossible to control. This can be seen as both good and bad thing, depending on your outlook.
So why am i bothering informing you on this and what can you do to right it ?
Well for one. you can sign up to Chud.com and personally tell Devin you now know
what he is up to, You can also email him directly via Chud. If you are a true AVATAR supporter and don't want to see peoples opinion affected because some hack "so called" journalist has an agenda. Then make this common knowledge between the "AVATARDS" (a phrase coined on Chud by the way.)
Not that Devin has a chance of changing the final outcome, what he can accomplish however is making the fan base appear both stupid and irrelevant and actually hurt the movie for those who use the Internet for movie news in the process.
Fact: Chud is purposely trying to hurt AVATAR simply because of unrelated events
Fact: You can put an end to this, STOP READING CHUD! the advertisement money will flounder and pretty soon chud would disappear. Not before you mail Devin your thoughts i hope.
Fact: Devin has been so negative towards AVATAR and every aspect of its production that some "less than sensitive" crew member even took things into his/her own hands and lampooned Devin in an open letter, (something which is unheard of within the industry, the moto goes... we are all in this together, keep things to yourself.) So it must be a bad state of affairs to make this actually happen.
Why am i banging on about this to you ? Why should you even care ?
Because i am one of you! I believe in Jim Cameron, For the most part i think fox is a studio run by fools and money grabbing morons, however Jim Cameron is above that, he is an artist, he makes visual motion art, How many film makers can you genuinely say have not really made a bad film ? How many film makers can you genuinely say will not compromise ? how many film makers can you say actually get the vision on screen for all to see ? NOT MANY! but Jim is one of them.
Devins main argument is that the CGI is not photo real.
But how can you judge a movie you haven't yet seen ?
How can you criticise a story you are not in know about and don't fully understand ?
Here is a nice fact for you...
Devin knows less than you reading this. if you are on these boards or are talking about avatar or have followed it even a little, my guess is that you actually know more about this movie than Devin.
FACT big movies get hyped.
FACT AVATAR is big.
FACT AVATAR will succeed.
FACT December 18th will see Devin look a fool.
FACT Devin wont get even a sniff of anything relevant to AVATAR before release.
FACT Devin will have to pay in the theatre to review this one. (a fact im sure will pain him)
FACT this is a franchise with legs (5ft blue long legs) it wont fail, the fact everyone is talking about it "everywhere" has already sealed it fate. marketing could stop now and Jim will still have a hit on his hands.
FACT Devin is a money grubbing hack, with little to no movie based knowledge of any use to the masses. Terminator Salvation 8 out of 10, a consistent planet of the apes obsession, and an unhealthy attitude towards woman and people with opinions different than his own.
i can sum him up in two words, outdated *beep*
I have written this to try and make as many of you who consider yourselves to be JC fans. and hell fans of cinema full stop. we have had to listen to Devins childish rubbish for about 12 months now.
Make him hear your voice. Flood the Chud mesage boards, send email after email to him telling him you know about the spat with FOX and that - that should not spill over into trying to maliciously hurt what we know to be the next big achievement cinema has seen since The Matrix. Not to mention the fact Jim Cameron has made it now so future directors will be able to implement and fine tune ideas on set, even if the set is not there. AVATAR IS REVOLUTIONARY.
Devin you are with out a doubt the biggest online hack fool there has ever been.
We are wise to your piss poor attempts at sabotage. And we will not let it settle. we await your Chud AVATAR review with great interest and no doubt furious anger. You think you are clever, YOU ARE NOT. We are wiser and we have the final say. This is one AVATARD that has you in his sights and will make sure as many people as possible are aware of your agenda before release of " a truly original and sincere sci fi fantasy written and directed by a visionary master of his art ".
You will fail Devin. and we are coming for you now ;-) and if word is correct, so is FOX.
Why dont you mail Devin on Chud, or leave a message and ask him why so hostile towards Jim Cameron and AVATAR ? While your at it, ask him why he is blackballed
by FOX. Then watch and behold as you are greeted with nothing but silence.
So lets do what we can in great numbers, lets make the "CHUDITES" hear us.
A CALL TO ARMS.
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...who can pick out the 5 lame ass chudites in this TB?
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Wait untill he returns, You and everyone will suffer, a great deal =)
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wow, you are a prolific spammer. good job! that takes real skill! skill on the level of animating blue cat people in leather pants, wearing headbands with feathers in them!
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i am not afraid of volamorte. that douche can eat a dick for all i care. i love how people thought you were him. what a laugh. you have not said anything interesting at all.
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NERD RAGE IS PROBLY DEVIN HIMSELF, HIS LACK OF TALENT AND HIS IGNORANCE PROVE THIS WITHOUT DOUBT.
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What Cameron seems most excited about in interviews and articles is the new Performance Capture technology they developed for Avatar. Sure, the Na'vi look amazing, but if their facial animation looks like Beowulf, the movie will fall flat on it's face.
I saw the Avatar Day footage and I have to say, when Ney'tiri and Jake are talking to each other it look like they literally copied and pasted the actor's performances onto the CG models. It looked more convincing than Gollum, easily.
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The only review that im interested in reading is harry's review of the movie.
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you fools missed the ship diving into a star last friday. you can guess why. it looked badass.
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However you are not, You are so outclassed by even the casual troll, so from me and most here on this board i invite you to choke on our sperm you inbred Dane Cook fan.
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Was G@BRIEL GR@Y the one who wrote that open letter to Devin Faraci that was posted on MarketSaw? You know, the one that was supposedly written by an AVATAR crew member?I actually had a brief conversation with G@briel in Talkback once. I think we came to an understanding...right before he was banned.
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...did the get burned up ordid they go it at NIGHTTIME!!!
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but you can guess, why would a big giant ship sink into a SUN and go through it and come out of it??? think
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"...the ship diving into a star..."Did tt burn up ordid they go at NIGHTTIME?!!!
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In fact, it sounds like the essence of ASSERY.
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i am Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength. it's on my birth certificate. my mom was an AICN talkbacker. my dad is BADCANDLEJACK. g@briel g@y is a no-body. anyone who gets banned from this site is a loser.
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very bad, but two characters had sex when that was happening. how romantic
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Fucking show needs to PICK THE FUCK UP. No more of the asshole characters that I don't know and don't give a fuck about looking into the camera and recording their thoughts. FUCKING ASS.
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I called the image of Harry "like a bunch of leprechauns fused together to formulate a fat blob". Isn't that hateful enough to get a ban hamma?
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Oct 30, 2009 3:37:38 PM CDT
here see, they were making love while the ship smashed into the
by dioxholsterreturns
imagine fucking in that heat!
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I hate to say it as I think it looks amazing, but the general consensus around the web seems to be that the story looks shit, the animation looks shit, the dialogue is shit. That and I've seen two movies in theaters where this trailer played and both times, everyone broke out laughing when the trailer ended, with "that looks lame" and other similar put downs used.
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I hate to say it as I think it looks amazing, but the general consensus around the web seems to be that the story looks shit, the animation looks shit, the dialogue is shit. That and I've seen two movies in theaters where this trailer played and both times, everyone broke out laughing when the trailer ended, with "that looks lame" and other similar put downs used.
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It must be hell going through life with no taste.
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Anyways, considering how much money was spent to create and market this, I'm expecting a Waterworld scale fail here.
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look at yourself in the mirror man, BSG was boring as fuck with no actual substance,
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Well, when you consider the amount of cynicism inherent in the "web consensus" and the smug too-cool-for-school attitude of most theater goes (teens being the largest demographic), I'm not the least bit surprised by the reactions you've cited.
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We all know you don't believe what you're saying most of the time. If you did I doubt you would have the ability to even type.
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why would i spend hours of my lifetime faking a persona? i believe everything i typed.
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Are you really lockesbrokenleg? You answer first!
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im not discussing sex here, but i never fucked a fat chick and never will. FACT
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http://tinyurl.com/ye8phpa
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because I said Paul Newman's salad dressing is overrated in the r.i.p. Newman thread. I'm posting from a proxy. Did I mention there's a cool new documentary out about the economic crisis? The Fall of the Republic- http://tinyurl.com/yl8wc8z. Oh and 9/11 was an inside job.
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I assume that was from a real crew member ? It certainly got Devin some heat on him, for that im am grateful :-) and Nerd Rage if you were old enough to remember GG you may have a different opinion, That guy went as far as to actually take this site down and get into the knowles desktop and read his shite. he even posted what he found on the talkback threads, claiming that harry was indeed part of a paedophile ring. this is not a joke either. ask some of the old time users, GG was out for blood and if you pissed him off he went after you. he was also funny, unlike you mr Nerd.
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but her juicy melons were amazing to look at as they bounced around in the hot tub
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for some back ally sex? becasue you sound like you are straight up obsessed with the guy. and i call bullshit on the things you say he did. i dont beleive it for a second. its all just talkbacker bullshit
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I think i nailed the same chick, her thighs used to be great for lighting tinder and small campfires,
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fat chicks are too scary for me, and they are a turn off no matter what especially if they are naked.
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of the muppet show. that being said, i think jim henson would have done a better job with the creatures in avatar. that cgi looks fake and cartoony. it looks like the animation from American Werewolf in Paris.
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If it starred Brendan Fraser and he went through a stargate and found an alien made pyramid infested with blue alien mummies. But he turn out to be a necrophiliac and falls in love with an undead alien with bugs and dust in her vagina. He switches sides and skull fucks Kurt Russel in 3d.
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has better cgi than avatar
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Trying to crush expectations, Jim you crazy rebel you. We all know you wont fail. we believe in you jim can we all suck your cock now ? we promise to let you plaster our faces with your blue love goo.
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i would pay to see that. you also made me realize that avatar is a rip off of the stargate movie!
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Remember that? RICK ROLLED
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fact
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There were maybe three shots there of Navi that looked real or almost real. There were two or three that looked godawful, like a Pixar cartoon. The rest were typical CGI, looked about as good as Ang Lee's Hulk. Maybe they'll improve things in the next month ... eh, probably not.
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Oct 30, 2009 4:32:01 PM CDT
BTW those who say the look of it isn't as important as the story
by thunderbolt ross
better be wrong because the story looks corny as hell.
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She had an ass that could hold a gallon of spunk no problem, and ass i slapped my cock into her face she began to smile, this is when i decided to smash her fucking face in with a hockey stick.
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eeeww, gross! you are seriously hard up! you must be one ugly motherfucker! (pun) ((see, im funny, BADCANDLEJACK. please like me, you blubbery flatulent turd))
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it is strictly a tech demo. enjoy.
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AMERICANS woke up and realised that they cant afford a fucking cup of suger. I TELL YOU WHERE YOUR ECONOMY WENT, IT WENT INTO AVATAR LMAO. actually it probly did, we need to get some econmists working on this asap
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except when nerd rage pulls his pants down
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why don't you ask george lucas what its like to create a 300 million dollar piece of shit.
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where did the love go?
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after 1 min i just got bored. how will i watch the entire thing ?
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yet we still kick ass! yeah! worship our culture! just like the entire planet does! american culture is king!!
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It paints a picture of the imperialistic capitalists being the bad guys, but no where in the movie will it show you the fat bankers with 7 chins who engineered the whole situation to take over the universe while everyone blames the mean general and corporate CEO even though they are just pawns in the grand scheme of things. Like Bush is bad for attacking Iraq but he's just a front man for the Rothschild and Rockefeller oil and banking families.
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http://tinyurl.com/yl8wc8z
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oooh, the big mean industrial society wants to destroy our nice ecologically friendly society! who will save us! ooohh, its tom cruise, the last samurai! he will save us, by becoming one of us!! yay! because we cannot save ourselves!!! yay! the last samurai will renounce his evil industrial ways! yay! we all leaned an important lesson today! (global warming is all of our problem).
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It is hard to find but you may get familiar with it very soon. heard of things called "TOP SITES" ? these are generally legal in nature and, meaning that the owner of the server knows they are there, they are usually hosted on servers in countrys which are shall we say lapse in terms of copyright law. these sites are usually where yo find most "scene warez releases" get filtered down to the masses, the people that run them are usually organized and know there scripting very well. these are the places where "crackers" "fillers" and blackhats are found. they are very strick and are very cautious, the reason i bring this up is because the servers are usually hacked via "false fronts" and the targets are usually high impact servers like "universities" or dormant military servers, it is not uncommon for these individuals to brek 100mb servers, that is the job of the blackhat, the filler is in charge of filling these servers with "warez / scene releases" usually stolen via other top sites, this is known about but it is considered ileagal via the scene and will result in the person (if caught being banned from the scene) this in turn is what brings me to false fronts, false fronts are what fillers use in order for them to achieve thier task. i hope this info was usefull to you Nerd Rage ;-)
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I didn't care for the movie but it was all about Tom Cruise learning, not teaching.
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they are good in stargate and starship troopers and Aliens so im guessing they are also good here. honestly if humans are made to be the bad guys in AVATARD then im not watching because we all know that those N'avi are good for nothing bugs that need to be crushed so we can have their minerals or whatever.
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watch fall of the republic. stop being suckers, Al Gore is a greaseball corporate con-man whore
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Look at that fuckin Rokers face when one humps his leg. This is the best Morning Television I've seen in a decade.
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I'm confused
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FUCK AS MANY CHILDREN AS WE WANT ! Rright nerd rage ? afterall god made those asses so tight and round how could he not expect us to pound them into oblivion. SORRY i shouldnt have said he, god could be both man and woman.
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Are you pimping some Alex Jones/Prison Planet bullshit again? Whore!
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but she's old enough for me!
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im so sorry! im so sorry! please forgive me for making fun of avatar! i mean, if i knew that your whole life and emotional stability was based on the success of a movie, i never would have made fun of it! i take it all back! please don't hurt me! im just a poor american who cannot buy a cup of suger! please!!!!
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fairy tale. Disney should make a cartoon about Al Quada. Wait, don't give the Pentagon any ideas.
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im not in to that the way that you apparently are. (now i am totally creeped out...)
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as a free person to scre your own kids, think about it, it will free up classrooms of nerds "as they will actually be familiar with huge cocks by this point" it will also put a stop to sniviling kids in sex ed classes,everyone wins.
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and these 2 15 year old chicks were walking around topless with the most amazing tits glistening in the sun. I would have hit it. Preferably both at once.
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2 highschool chicks' fat and juicy perfect tits rubbing all over my face
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i am officially being stalked by a pedophile... creepiest. talkbacker. ever. (BADCANDLEJACK, notice how no one agrees with you?)
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Oct 30, 2009 5:23:57 PM CDT
Sorry Diox, Avatar will be better than any given Stargate show
by mattmanreturns
I'm not proclaiming Avatar's greatness just yet, but I can pretty much guarantee it will be better than anything Stargate (aside from the original movie).
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(because BADCANDLEJACK has officially threatened me in an erlier post.)
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You will sit in the back of the cinema and crack one off due to sheer visual treats unfolding on the screen infront of you. when you walk home people will point laugh and stare at you as the stains on your trousers caused by Jim Camerons imagination begin to seap through into view of your balking audiance this in turn will poison your soul and your credibility. Jim will have won, and as your are kicked to death in the street, i will point laugh and cry with glee as you are reduced to a blubbering pile of bones and gore. we will then turn on ourselves as we will realise that it just wont get any better than that, this is where the end of the world begins to happen, and as the sky begins to boil and crackle we will have wished we had listened to al gore and his crazy idea machine. 2012 is then announced by fox as thier next remake, roland emerich shits his bed.
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will Jesus forgive you if you bang some underage girls?
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...wow. you are a bigger sociopath that me... i bow to your trolling mastery...
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Oct 30, 2009 5:35:10 PM CDT
http://jarredspekter.deviantart.com/art/Avatar-Demotivational-Po
by badcandlejack
THIS WAS POSTED ON THE LINK ABOVE, WELL WHAT A FAIR AND BALENCED REVIEW =)
If you consider Avatar fantastic, don't read on.
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Good god...is this what moviemaking has come to?
The new trailer is out and far be it from making all my silly concerns go away, it made the old ones louder and brighter and the even brought a few new ones along.
This is WORSE then Captain Planet. At least that was funny.
Why do I accuse something as unquestionably cool as Avatar appears to be? I too admit the visuals are splendid, but a rotten core means that stench and rot permeate the experience, ruining even the amazing images.
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Misanthropy: Humans are evil. I thought they'd try to hide this fact, but no its actually practically stated BY THE HUMANS THEMSELVES. 'There's an indigenous species we've got to kill!' Who talks like that except Saturday Morning villains? Humans want to kill all the blue skinned natives to harvest rock. Why can't they buy the rock? I guess its too damn hard.
Didn't humans learn anything from the indians? In fact this movie seems to assume that whole indian thing we could have learned from never actually happened...until now. It's kind of like District 9, complaining about a problem everyone agrees happens all the time but actually hasn't been happening for many years. All over this film is hating humans, hating western culture. In a few days of release it will be the first science fiction movie to show in classrooms worldwide to teach kids at a young age the important lessons of government approved hatred.
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Socialism: Implied, but it doesn't take a sharp brain to see the message here. If we all stopped this individuality nonsense and booked in with the authentic minority culture in its war against villainous western civilization, the world would be a better place. The workers will rebel against the military industrial complex (you know, the one currently bankrupt and losing every war it fights) and one brave leader will lead the throng to a collective peace. I bet the Navi have never heard of such barbaric things as personal possessions before either and use a barter system, although not so as to harm the sacred plants.
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Genocide: But wait! You cry presumably. This is a film against genocide! No its not. That's one of many lies at play here. Humans are shown to be absolutely irredeemable. You can kill them with impunity because they represent the heartless, tree-knocking-off, unfeeling force of industry, the military, rich people, Christians, and republicans. How much do you want to bet that after the hero gives some big speech about how peace is the only way, or cries when he hauls off a kills some thuggish soldier...that he leads an entire army in an 'awesome' montage of killing humans we're supposed to cheer at?
Sure, you could make the same argument about Lord of the Rings killing all the orcs, but orcs aren't real. Humans are...and we're supposed to hate them enough to rejoice in their deaths for real-life reasons.
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Racism: Did I see a single black person in the evil army of soldiers? No? How odd seeing as for the longest time people have been complaining about the military being made up mostly by minorities. It would be perfect to make yet another been-there-done-that hot button complaint to make this planetary force all oppressed minorities. But then again we won't have all the fun of watching nasty white people dying in creative ways! So what do we get? The entirety of the white population of the film is shown to be villainous, cruel, or so stupid they don't realize their officials are villainous and cruel.
Lets look at the navi. They're ALL voiced by...african americans! Because you know all natives must speak like african americans. Consider their outfits too; indian headdresses, wampum, feathers, dreadlocks. Its like every stereotypical 'native' cliche wrapped up in one unambiguously heroic, courageous, caring race.
But if this was meant to be honoring these races somehow, look at it this way.
All the white guys have awesome technology, modern conveniences, and vast knowledge of the universe.
All the minorities live in grass huts, dress like savages, and fight with speaks and bows...until a white guy essentially dressed as a native (blackface much?) teaches them.
Congratulations Avatar. You've made a film with the racial tolerance of the 1900s.
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This is terrible. A terrible message, a terrible trend, and a TERRIBLE waste of the incredible artistry and inordinate amounts of money. This is a bitter old man trying to get into Heaven. This is a mainstream PSA, this is a goofy environmental cartoon series taking itself seriously. This is the death of science fiction and the rebirth of cinema as just another wall the government can shine its messages on.
All of you who say 'you haven't seen it yet, don't judge it' are forgetting these trailers are supposed to tell me what this film is like. Avatar is wearing its black heart on its sleeve and comes off as nothing more then an insult to my intelligence, that my mind can be bought for a few shiny special effects.
To that I say cordially Mr. Cameron,
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so, stargate.... the thing that makes stargate better than avatar is that stargate was made by a true cinematic master. not by some hack who made the dungeon siege movie...
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if there's topless highschool alien girls in the navi village, that would be hot in 3d.
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sorry to end the fantasy for you all. actually im seth rogan and im pissed about the fact that the green hornet gets no love on this site.
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Oct 30, 2009 5:45:27 PM CDT
i mean, i lost all this weight for the role
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
and everyone keeps calling me fat! what does a guy have to do to get some love on aicn?!
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You have no fame/credibility if you ever come up with someing that actually is relevant to anything, then pls give us a shout. meanwhile im going to WANK IN YOUR FUCKING FACE YOU IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUT oh how i laughed and laughed.
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you need a better name than Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength. It's retarted
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especially if you line them with hay.
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does that work better? spaz, you confuse me. one minute your with me... the next, your against me... again i ask. where is the love? i like stargate too... (sad face)
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How could you miss that reference to basketcase.
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so I'm passing the love down to you. soon you will hate me like my little brother
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that jj Abram star trek is better than avatar will ever be. the cgi in star trek is light years ahead of avatar. or we could talk about the fact that ditrict 9 out did avatar on a fraction of the budget? did i mention that avatar looks like it was made in 1985?
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i am your little brother...(single tear...)
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the cgi in avatar is almost as good as the cgi from 1999 when phantom menace came out.
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you are the undisputed king of the trolls.
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the only one that does not have his head buried in the sand or up james camerons ass.
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that this movie is a rip off of Xanadu?
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of a 15 years old
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CRACKING ONE OFF TO CHILD PORN.
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I want to live in the alternate universe where James Cameron decided to make True Lies 2 instead of this $300M Ferngully remake. This will be OK at best. I honestly don't think I'm going to care if the blue cat people are able to defend their magical planet from the evil military guys who want to steal the special rocks. And how many movies does James Cameron have to make about how evil, greedy, and self-destructive people are?
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his voice at the end when he's throwing out his big speech is coming from a microphone or he's yelling down a really long hallway. I also think they were all ready to give up before he started his speech. they seemed all gathered and ready to roll out...he was probably pissed because that wouldn't help the film end with a massive battle. hold on, moms telling me its bed time.
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you cannot stop talking about pedophilia and child porn. you are a sick, demented peice of shit. you need to be in jail so that you cannot hurt anymore young children, i feel sorry for your parents that they have such a scumbag for a son/daughter/he/she/it.
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there are more people here dissing avatar than praising it. hahahaha avatar is made for 13 year old girls! it is being marketed as "from the director of titanic". titanic is for little girls and 50 year old house wives! what a fucking loser you are! bwahahaha
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im tired of talking to you because you are a peice of shit and an aspiring serial killer. fuck off now and let the big boys play. time for bedy bye!
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looks like good fun. so much of the movie is just handed out in the trailer though. maybe its because its halloween and this is our candy...trick or treat? who knows ... i like the pretty colors though.
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ah shit that seems vaguely familiar in the giant clusterfucker talkback a few weeks ago.
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You said you were funny Nerd_Rage, but i haven't laughed yet...
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the whole ordinary guy surrounded by intellectual blue gods in a extraordinary place sort of story ... its awesome escapism wrapped in a hotdog delight. does he drink wine? probably not. if you cant trust your fellow cripple - who can you trust to be your friend? its hard for me to believe that they might have made a crippled guy like a ordinary person but it seems like(lie) they have. some say genius - others say..gee - wizz. im not here to say who might be right.
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So glad they put Michelle Rodriguez in there! She bounced back from being fired form LOST with this, that's awesome.
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As soon as I found out she loved Snatch (like me) I was a fan 4 life!
He cast her because she's similar to Vasquez!
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Infowars.com
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Assholes.
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i figured it out. the faraci spam posts. making fun of "americans". you dont have the balls to come at me with your own screen name, so you created an alternate name to you troll with. you are a gigantic pussy.
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you are a loser and an idiot. zing!
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welcome to your twilight.
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Still not funny. Try again douche-nozzle.
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Hating on AVATAR, which you attest to be so beneath your contempt, yet you can't come up with one good joke or fun phrase that displays any kind of insight into anything but your own sour-smelling mind-vomit. Try harder. Cause I like to laugh.
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This will be a huge, huge (did I say huge?) hit. Cameron will finally be the billionaire he wanted to be what with all the toys, sequels, merchandising, etc., etc.
Yes, it's a vision of the future that makes little to no sense (nearly outdated designs based on present-day technology and materials extrapolation), the idea that in a hundred years or so no one has figured out a way to repair spinal cord damage (we're close to having some kind of solution to this within the next 10-20 years probably, using stem cells, fer Chrissakes!)... well, let's face it there are a whole lotta problems with the very basic ideas at the core of this movie, but it will certainly be successful because it's easy to comprehend.
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How can anyone not come around after watching that trailer? After the first trailer I stopped anticipating this movie's release, now I can't fucking wait:)
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Motoko was it? I love how there's a looney tunes style dust puff where he used to be after the PS2 footage has been revealed.
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another of the moron's gross exaggerations. Fucking Crysis doesn't even look this good. Not that I expect it to.
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Your ISP probably got banned because you're spamming that libertarian asshat Alex Jones' conspiracy-mongering horseshit. Stop getting your history lessons off of internet sites that advertise "BUY GOLD NOW!", try to realize that the "MSM" is no more "socialist" than the corporations that own them, look up "paranoid/delusional" in the DSM-IV and move out of your parent's basement.
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Unfortunately, (s)he wouldn't know what the DSM-IV is and would probably refute it — even if he could get coverage.
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Before "UP" in 3-D. What gives?
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is that all you got? lulz I've heard it all before. Alex released, I believe, off the top of my head, 2 of his strongest movies, Terrorstorm and Endgame, while Bush was president, dipshit. Lol you ignoramuses with pea brains always pop up with the same exact idiotic bullshit. You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about so STFU.
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It's impossible to have a conversation on these boards now.
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Moriarty and Twitter are to blame.
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But, I'd rather wait for the next Adam Curtis documentary, or the one Errol Morris is doing. Two of the best at their craft, IMO.I may have my issues with certain Libertarians, but spamming AICN with constant links to a suspect documentary (What's up with that title?) triggers annoyance and clouds the message being sent. You're poisoning a well and then complaining that people aren't drinking the water. Let people decide what they want to do before you bash them—they don't have to agree with you.
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—it's OLD. WTF?! This board has gone from James Cameron and "Avatar" to Jack Parsons and JPL Sex Cults to jingoistic idiocy then to Obama 'teabagging'. Jesus…Interesting dialogue gets derailed by a foot made of 'huh? to the groin.
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and its even way more better than Dark Angel.
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"A republic is a form of government in which the head of state is not a monarch[1] and the people (or at least a part of its people)[2] have an impact on its government." Hello? McFly? We've got serious problems! The corporations are siezing more and more control and the USA is slipping away into the abyss.
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Most people know what a Republic is. But, that word isn't the selling point of the doc, now is it? It's amazing how the major deregulation that has been approved through various administrations and through bipartisan policies are completely irrelevant when ascribing blame; suddenly, the only culprit is the current administration. THAT'S my point. What's that all about? Somehow the this administration is the main problem after 30 + years of deregulation? To paint that kind of picture requires different thinking; more like ignoring history and the large bodies of evidence from vetted sources. That kind of thinking comes from something older and suspiciously familiar.
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They think the country is a "democracy." Hell, most Americans don't know what the 3 branches of government are. You can gripe all you want about the title, which isn't the best I admit, but the movie clearly presents a message that both parties are to blame. His last move, The Obama Deception, had a segment ripping Bush to clearly establish that concept. So yadda yadda yadda, the mean libertarian is shredding our worthless, impotent, lying Democrat president and dicing him up into little bits. Boo hoo. Cry me a fucking river. Obama sucks.
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you've gotta laugh haven't you.
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Don't give up, mate.
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Jesus FUCKING Christ, I've never seen a TBer who was more in love with his own moronic ramblings as you are. I bet you reread all of your own posts over and over again with a look of smug satisfaction and then squeal like a 14 year old girl at a Jonas Bros. concert when you see a reply directed at you. Let me say something to you and I hope you take it to heart... You.are.a.complete.fucking.idiot. Your friends and family are embarrassed to be associated with you. You and your fellow fuckhead followers (Spazatronik2000 you fucking cocksucker) are the reason I'll die to keep abortion a legal option for all of the inbred daddy-fuckers of the world.
You are hated by the world and even the anonymity of the internet cannot hide the fact that you're a mouth-breathing retard who jacks it to furry porn and smells of Funions and B.O.
My GOD, I wish I could just see what the fuck you look like so
I can truly visualize smashing your face in with a hammer. I'm guessing I could use this as a reference and be 99.99% accurate.
http://tinypic.com/r/a4n5gp/ 4
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"…are the reason I'll die to keep abortion a legal option for all of the inbred daddy-fuckers of the world." Holy shit was that funny.
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This is set in the future right? Aviator raybans? that´s the best they could think up or is it for product placement $$? Also with inflation in the future how much exactly is 20 million worth? Reminds me of the scene in Austin Powers where Dr. Evil wants to hold the world ransom for ¨One MILLION dollars!
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or at least on par.
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imagine when DX10 starts supporting AA with HDR.Not even Avatar part 12,is not going to surpass the graphics of the Cryengine.
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in Bay's Hollywood anymore,you are on Cameron's territory.Prepare for eye-raping.
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And i am going to kick butts with a mech again.Stay away from me,you bitches.
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oops wrong site
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pathetic inbred moron Diox is here pimping Stargate?? Bwhaaahahahahhah.....Get the fuck out of here! Has this nutjob actually convinced anyone of Stargate's "greatness"?? lol....Is it wrong to laugh at the mentally challenged?
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but you have to realize that Nerdrage is fucking insane, him and Diox. Keep in mind that both these losers spend hours posting the same shit repeatedly. They have now both repeated themselves so much (Avatar sucks or Stargate rules) that they are now just coming across as so damn pathetic its actually funny...
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comes out to see if either of them actually goes and sees it because their heads may actually explode explaining the contradiction of that......
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Hello AICN community, I decided I could no longer resist joining the insanity that is the Avatar talkbacks. As a huge Cameron fan, I simply can't wait for December 18th. A quick shout-out to TurdontheRun, Kwisatzhaderach, SouthAfricanGuy, blakindigo, cloudrider, et.al...I've enjoyed reading your posts, you represent AICN well with your rational and often hilarious comments. Anyways, let the madness continue!
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How else are they going to fight the arguments of the supporters who will see the movie,if they dont have information from the movie to base their own arguments?
For instance they cant argue that the story of the movie is crap,if they are clueless about what happened in the movie.
And the most important thing of all: They will be unable to bash the cgi of the movie,if they havent seen with their own eyes how they are appear in the silver screen.They cant use the trailer or even a downloaded pirated copy of the movie,as the basis for their arguments.They cant talk about something that its supposed to be seen in the big screen,and not in a computer monitor,which ultimately is Cameron's goal for this movie.
Just imagine the dialogue in the talkbacks after the premiere of the movie:
Hater:Avatars cgi is crap as we predicted.it sucks.eat it fanboys.
Lover:Have u seen the film in a 3D IMAX?
Hater:No but i have seen the movie in a blurry mobile camera copy with a resolution of 300x200,on my pc monitor.and the cgi SUCKS.
Lover:....
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will give an odd smirk-frown over at the whiteys and mutter, "The bad guys in this movie represent YOU, dickholes!"
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what the hell are you sayin? AA is there, its just not really needed because the edges are smoothed out already through another thing i forgot. but AA is there and can be used.
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It will get even more entertaining and funny with the nutjobs once the film comes out. I cant wait to see their plan of attack if its a big hit.....lol..
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times its hard to actually keep some semblance of sanity, logic, and reason going on here when there are so many clearly mentally unbalanced people with an unhealthy hate obsession with this film....
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shut up man, you come from a country that breeds rapists, i bet thats why you moved to Korea, you got bored of watching people rape each other.
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yes AA is supported in Crysis,hell there is even a setting for it in the options meny,BUT it is not supported for the green environment objects of the game,like trees,grass and foliage.
You can enable AA for foliage,through a command from the console menu,but then the general AA of the game is automatically disabled.
I dont know if this has been fixed with a patch or with Crysis Warhead,but when the first game was released,this thing was one of its biggest flaws then.I learned about this because it was the first thing i noticed when i run the game for the first time,so i investigated the matter in the internet.check it.
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the Edge-AA console command,which is the command which enables the aa for foliage.
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to a good copy of the featurette, thanks.
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its something from nothing.
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yea I think Warhead sorted it but not sure ive always been nvidia and there shit with AA and AF i find but yea well said on the haters to.
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I don't get the script reference sorry? The script for Avatar? yea I've had that for years if thats what you mean?
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diox here to utter more imbecellic rantings. You poor retard, dont worry diox, I will make a donation to a charity that helps out with the mentally challenged fuckwits like you. Oh, and at least I dont come from a country owned by China, or thats invading other countries for their own selfish interests, or that gave the world George W Bush.......
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fun together in your Moms trailer park finger banging each other. Tell me Diox, when Nerdrage shoves his lightsaber up your stargate, do do you let him go bareback....
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re-runs of Stargate Atlantis?
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Really, this talkback is just sad. This place is a dump, and intelligent conversation, or even genuine wit, is a thing of the past. Nerd Rage and his ilk are truly pathetic, a calibre of sad bastard that truly boggles the mind. I am ashamed to post here amongst such inbred donkeys.All Avatar fans here (or even intelligent, rational non-fans) should be given their own talkback for discussion - and leave the lunatics in the asylum to sponatneously combust in paroxysms of frothing fury and unintelligible gobblydegook.
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i thought u meant a copy from the movie's script.but u meant the making of video which was removed.i have it,i ll upload it in a sec.
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bad lol..could you imagine these nutjobs all locked up somewhere together? It would be hilarious....
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There really are a lot of angry people on this talkback, hating on it just to have an opposing view, and 95% of them will be seeing this opening week in Imax 3-D, and they know it right now as they are currently typing how much Cameron sucks. And it's unfortunate that so much of these talkbacks are about personal attacks and rebuttals rather than reasonable film discussion. Oh well, it is what it is.
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Thanks for that, some of the stuff in the featurette looks great. And yea these TB's can get bad, and it's only going to get worse, plus I noticed Harry hasn't actually posted anything related to Avatar, wasn't he dissapointed with fandom's reaction to the 1st trailer and stuff? I don't know about our own TB, but the main thing we have to remember is Pease Do Not Feed The Trolls.
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http://tinyurl.com/y8tbejz
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Oct 31, 2009 11:12:28 AM CDT
THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY PUT STARGATE ON FRIDAY NIGHTS
by bringingsexyback
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if AVATAR was a TV show it would be on friday as well it gets better ratings when its on friday.
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nerd rage is trolling. dozens of guys jumped on his throat. what else is new in an avatar thread? dont you guys get tired?
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one is exciting and adventurous, other was done a thousand times before
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Welcome to the madhouse.
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Stargate is the most derivative shit ever made. And you talk about Avatar being derivative! Hilarious.
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I SO dont get it. It looks terrible! It looks like a CARTOON (albeit an expensive one)in fact, the cut scenes for the new final fantasy game look much more realistic and impressive. The blue guys? Such a bad design as well....its a shame, i thought this was going to rock and not rely on its 3D gimmick...
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...that list of one thousand times before that AVATAR has been done. Can you even give me 5?
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...you are actually able to see the new final fantasy game on a 50 foot IMAX 3d screen, NO, it does not look more realistic and impressive. I so don't get it. It's not even close really.
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— many women hate SF.
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something…My bad.
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Hows that lovely 50ft imax 3d screen gonna work out on your home TV? Hows that gonna work when most of the planet do not have an imax anywhere near their town? He's basing an entire universe on visually awkward looking creatures not unlike the new starwars movies, and mecha straight outta matrix 3. Gimme an AT-AT or Rancor anyday...
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It's gonna blow everyone away by its awesomeness!Many thanks to Jettl93 for showing it to me on his home computer!
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Oct 31, 2009 2:16:08 PM CDT
how many haters (and i hate that term...i guess im a hater hater
by slappy jones
but seriously how many of you who hate this trailer are going to skip seeing?
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Where the Na'vi tribe will learn to pilot spaceships thanks to Jake's engineering prowess, and come to earth for vengeance, only to find Skynet has taken over the human race, and that they have to form an alliance with the humans to battle the marauding machines. Jettl93 convinced Cameron that this was the best way to kill two birds with one stone - creating a popular sequel to Avatar and salvaging his Terminator franchise. Bowing to Jettl93's superior scriptwriting wisdom, the bearded auteur gratefully acquiesced. Jettl93 is also proposing Avatar 3 to Cameron as we speak, with the killer hook of the Na'vi battling the NTI's from The Abyss in their underwater kingdom!
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Jettl93 is NOT writing the pilot to the "The Amazing Adventures of Avatars on Pandora" animated series?Or will he get co-executive producer credit?
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theres way too many 100 pound pencil neck nerds wearing Dark Angel underoos drinking hawaiin punch out of their Terminator 2 7-eleven big gulp cups in here. You girls all sound like you're on your period. Is that Lincoln Park I hear in the background? How do you pathetic fanboys even operate a keyboard with Cameron's nuts on your face? Infowars.com bitches!
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Hoooooooooooooo!
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Do you people HONESTLY think that guys like Spaz and Nerd_Rage have anything else to do besides spam AICN? Take a look at this TB and tell me there's enough time in between their posts for them to lead anything resembling a life.
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Oct 31, 2009 4:06:14 PM CDT
Diox, Stargate's been done a thousand times before also
by mattmanreturns
Under its own name.
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"..up your stargate"
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
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"Is that Lincoln Park I hear.."
I didn't know Ol' Honest Abe started a scream-o band.
You sir, are a moron. Take your shit conspiracy spam and go die in a car fire. We all know your framed picture of Dubya weeps every night it has to watch you abuse your pathetically small penis. -
...so you know what he means when he says it's been done a thousand times before.
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ya suspect james cameron, ya suspect!
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Why ? Well, it is a long story and actually quite a convoluted one, long story short, Devin actually got upset that he could not attend an advanced preview (as a member of press) to see an advanced preview of a picture that shall remain nameless. He also has a personal grudge against Jim Cameron himself. This i will explain, Devin has been blacklisted by FOX execs, the reason for this is partially down to the fact that Devin was obnoxious in reviews insulted core members of various teams and insinuated lies and lawsuits. This can even be seen today in his writings on AVATAR`s plagiarism claims. There is also it has to be said a great deal of backdoor shenanigans involving Devin and the hierarchy of FOX. In short Devin is blackballed. Devin found this out via his own message board forums. Now im not standing here trying to defend FOX`s output for the last 6 years, how could i ? What i am trying to inform you on is this... This is personal, This has nothing to do with fan expectation, it has nothing to do with the progress of cinema...
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH A PERSONAL EFFORT TO DERAIL THE PRODUCTIONS IMPACT.
Yes it is pathetic, yes it is childish, but if you read Devin for any amount of time, you realise childish is exactly what Devin is. the whole AVATAR deal on Chud.com is what the online industry describe as "Leaf littering" take your core audience turn them onto your ideals and use that in turn to attack your enemies. Very simple and very effective. It has been done before and it will continue to happen. It can be a good thing, however when the motives become personal and not representative of the greater fact, that is when moral issues arise. I have it on high authority FOX and in particular Jim Cameron is highly upset with Devin and the continuing abuse he keeps throwing at not just the production but the people who this movie is aimed at (which by the way, is everyone). If you were to lay out the level of abuse aimed at AVATAR and pin that to the production outgoings, you will clearly see that Chud and the level of attack has steadily gone up with the anticipation, until finally we see an attack so blatant and mean that it will make even the most skeptic sit up and pay attention, Devin is literally trying to get third parties involved to actually file lawsuits against the core creators of AVATAR, in particular James Cameron. I am told this is serious stuff, and fox is itching for Devin to step a foot out of line so he can be drawn over the coals. This is a very childish and personal situation Devin has created for himself. My guess is the biggest backlash will eventually fall on Devin. -
While on one had i have trust in Cameron, at the same time i can't help shed the skepticism out of me about this movie. I really don't know. Mayube it's just not a very good trailer. Certainly it's lazier and more mundane then the ones we got before, which played more on mood and less on action. I'm 50% sold. I was hoping i would be more.
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It's banal like hell. It's a formulaic cliché trailer for action movies.
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I rest my case.
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or at least one of his chums, who else would give a fuck if someone spelt his name wrong.
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I love it! It's always some brain-dead, ignorant American fuckwit who calls me a moron. The irony tickles me every time. Coming from a guy that apparently still believes that Bin Laden did 9/11. Of course a majority of the world's population think's that you're a dumb, propagandized fool and that our government is full of shit. I know it feels more comfortable to curl up and suck on uncle sam's titty as he rocks you to sleep at night, I guess, that is if your testicles are the size of raisins. You also automatically assume that I'm a Republican just because I bash Obama. Even though it's become painfully obvious that both parties are almost identical. Anyone still clinging to the left/right make-believe wrestling match beamed into their head by television can't possibly be all that intelligent. I know it's hard, but try to think for yourself for a change. The first step would be removing Keith Olberman's cock from your mouth and wiping your chin.
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That or they're on the payroll.
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Oct 31, 2009 5:51:32 PM CDT
Mammaries yer just mad 'cuz they're not animated Bloo Goats.
by sal_bando
Admit it and set your soul free. Oporto will love you.
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Wow... just wow. The stupidity and ignorance of your post just proves once again that you are a complete fuckwit. Yeah, I get rocked to sleep at night by Obama as he sings me a Kenyan lullaby. I bet you're a fucking Birther. aren't you? People like you who insist on this paranoid delusion the our government had any hand in the actual implementation of the 9/11 attacks should be studied in padded rooms, since you all obviously lack the mental capacity and intelligence to cope with the idea that shit just fucking happens. Prior knowledge of a possible attack is a fuck-up, not an "inside job" you fucking twit!
You label yourself as you have because you're a pathetic cretin who has no real place of importance in society. You want to feel like the world is a big scary place where everyone is out to get you and it gives you a sense of purpose (since sitting in your room crying at night while you fondle your undescended testicles cannot be a very fulfilling existence).
I don't know why I even feel the need to argue with an idiot such as yourself.. maybe it's because I'm tired of the people who seem to know absolutely nothing about the real working of the world and yet insist of talking the LOUDEST, regardless of how many flies their bullshit is drawing. You never seem to get tired of swatting at them from your cum-guzzling mouth. But you know what.. go on ahead you stupid son of a bitch. Keep talking shit. Because while you sit in your dark, musty room yelling at your computer, the rest of us who actually give a shit will be out fighting for equality and quality of life. We'll be fighting for gun control and gay rights while you watch Muppet Babies on BluRay. We'll be fighting for Healthcare Reform and Marijuana legalization while you complain that James Cameron chose to give his character blue eyes instead of green. We'll be fighting to keep abortion legal and business men honest while you scream from the rooftops that Obama was born on Mars and that he is just here to steal our ocean water.
So FUCK YOU, motherfucker. Continue to be a baby bitch ass in these forums and see if ANYONE gives half a piece of dog shit what you say or think about anything. You've proven yourself to be a loud, empty-headed nitwit, and I can't wait to see the day when you finally have a big plate full of dead bullshit-eating flies in front of you. I'll be there to shove them down your cum-glazed throat.
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If some Avatar fans are calling to arms against him on some boards, it makes sense he'd retaliate, it almost sounds like a metaphor of the movie itself. Navi vs Marine, Technology vs Luddism, fans vs haters?
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I second that.
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I counted at least 3 of the insults I used on you, regurgitated and padded with a bunch of boring, redundant horseshit. You lemming ALWAYS sound exactly the same. It's always a bunch of mainstream media talking points or something you copied and pasted from someone slightly more intelligent than you who also got their idea from the radio or some other brainless automaton. Gay rights? Abortion rights? You can't be fucking serious. How about the real issues, the ones you hide from with your ostrich brain filled skull buried in the sand. Like how the economy is on the brink of collapse but your corporate whore Democrat turncoat "leaders" keep shoveling more and more of our borrowed money into the Wallstreet and military industrial complex machine while everyone lines up for their unemployment checks. Fuck me? I'm one of the few who actually gives a shit about this country, not weather or not my gay cousin has the right to marry. No, Fuck YOU you ignorant fool. 9/11 was an inside job, Infowars.com bitches
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but I'd say he's more of a fat, greasy tumour, those can be removed.
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Are you retarted?
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Oct 31, 2009 7:02:51 PM CDT
you know the murder rate in DC increased after the gun ban, righ
by spazatronik2000
dumbass!!!
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I guess it's a Yahoo exclusive…
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Next topic.
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Seriously, it's simply too much work to keep from laughing at the arrogant world of 'constitution fundamentalists'. It's best to let the delusional/conspiracy obsessed/ wear their tin foil hats from a distance. Have pity, not spite.
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This is a schizo's way of saying "I've got a delusion that counters every bit of rationality and logic you can throw at me!"
Case in point: if that pinhead Alex Jones or his twin Lyndon Larouche were a threat to the "NWO", both would be in an unmarked grave somewhere in a midwest cornfield by now, instead of having to have their idiot followers show up at speeches brandishing firearms to get attention...or pestering cops in Joker makeup like Jones did in one of his idiot videos.
Wake up and smell the thorazine, feeb. You're just a market for cut-rate conspiracy DVDs and Gadsden flag t-shirts...probably made in the People's Republic of China. LMAO. -
Spaz is in a state of Ennui!
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Isn't that what Halloween is all about?
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please allow me to participate in an issue that is near and dear to my heart....insulting that useless, talentless, bitter, fat, ugly, mysognistic, Harry Potter obsessed, micky mouse voiced, sell out hypocrite with an axe to grind agenda, lying scumbag known as Devin Farci.....
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over Harry Potter more than a Japanese School girl? They really should send him to the set of the next one, so that he can maybe give that kid that plays Harry and his ginger friend blowjobs. Hell, he could be the meat in their man sandwich. My only question to you guys is, do you think Farci swallows or spits?
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Devin...
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Oh, Christ... The rallying cry of fucktards everywhere. Losers of the world unite!
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I remember him hyping it oh, about 2 months ago. Turns out it was just Charlie Sheen flapping his gums again. Yet, this somehow excited the holy piss out of Alex Jones, as if having Charlie Sheen onboard actually adds legitimacy to Jones' insane horseshit. Talk about meh. I released a fucking galactic meh that day. Jesus. Jones you take the cake, you horrible charlatan you.
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HOLY SHIT!!
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otherwise he lets Harry's man batter pool into his copious facial hair. What a pro.
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He needs a good wash.
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(or an excuse for one, anyway). After his untimely demise, upon entering the bowels of Hell, he will be greeted by Lord Satan himself, and promised a
"special screening". Then he will be strapped into an uncomfortable chair, his eyelids will be sliced off, an IV of Red Bull and crystal meth will be inserted, and he will be forced to watch a continual loop of "The Day The Clown Cried", "Curley Sue", "Plan 9 From Outer Space", and "Meatballs 4"... for eternity.Suffice to say, he won't be havin' fun. But it will be deserved. Trifling with James Cameron upon his trimphant return to feature films... is NOT a good idea, in any context. -
image of Harry and Farci in my head.....I think I need to go take a long hot shower to get the filth off me.....
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hit is that it will piss off nerdrage/farci to no end, send him and his kind into even bigger fits of rage. And it will be super entertaining to see them explain how and why their oft repeated and continuous (ad naseum) predictions/deepest desires were so flat out wrong....lol. Personally I think some of their heads will explode due to contradiction overload....
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If it did, Snakes on a Plane and Paranormal Activity would be the most wonderful films of this or any other year.
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...'Cause everybody knows that 2009's #1 movie, TRANSFORMERS 2, is destined to be a cherished classic, sure to be lavished come Oscar time...
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I read that it has sold 7.5 million dvd/blu ray copies after a week. I did nt like it as you know, but Transformers really is a massive franchise isnt?
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It appears after reading this talkback and several others on the web that the people have spoken, and Avatar looks like one hell of a good time. Of course all the haters who got their dream come true with the substandard teaser are now devastated, as they hoped this trailer would be the nail in the coffin. The thing is though no one has made ONE valid argument as to why they think Avatar looks shitty. These are people who were predisposed to hate Avatar and anything James Cameron before they even saw a single frame of the actual movie. And still, now that they've seen a whole 3 minutes, they apparently have the whole movie pegged. It's such BS and it's so transparent that it's laughable. They talked themselves into such a hole that no matter how interesting Avatar looks for them they can never let people know their true feelings. It obviously intrigues them. hence all the time they spend talking about it. I know many of these kind of people, folks who only feel validated when going against popular opinion, people who thrive off failure of others, especially the failing of people who've had much success like Cameron. I'm not surprised though, Cameron has created some of the most iconic films in history, and he's one of few directprs who has the balls to attempt something like this, and one of the few directors who could actually pull it off. The talkbacking trolls have nothing better to do then sit on their CPU all day and tear it apart.
The opinions that I can respect are the people who come, say their piece, and leave. Indifference is the true sign of not caring. Someone like Retard Nerd who is clearly spending night and day talking about Avatar is completely obsessed and has nothing but Avatar on the brain. What he's doing IS the very definition of trolling. Reiterating the same points over and over again, that hold absolutely no weight, and are more or less complete BS. I mean if this dude HONESTLY hates T2, his opinion immediately loses credibility. It's been lauded time and time again as one of the best sequels ever, and is an absolute benchmark film in American cinema. If you can't get over a couple moments of comic relief then there's no hope for you.
I can't even get upset at such people though, in fact all I can do is feel sorry for them. If they would relax for a few minutes and realize this is just a movie meant to entertain, nothing more, nothing less, they'd realize how utterly silly their being with this incessant hate. It's not the fucking Godfather, and your an idiot if that's what you expected. There's no purpose getting so bent out shape over something like this. And I know just cause a movie's made to entertain does not put it above criticism, but this is a movie from James Cameron, who has never once failed his audiences. I'd understand if this were Michael Bay, because he fails his audience all the time. Cameron however? He probably has the best average of any contemporary action/sci-fi director.By thinking he's gonna fail, your just setting yourself up for Titanic all over again...audiences are gonna eat this movie up...and the funniest thing about it is the trolls will be right their contributing their cash as well. -
The first time I actually saw what he looked like was them vids of this years comiccon, where you could see it actually pained him to say, Avatar wasn't exactly that bad, and his walk of shame thing is unfunny and pathetic, just one year I hope some washed up actor stomps on the fat fucks neck whilst hes doing that.
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Nov 01, 2009 4:59:42 AM CST
who wants to bet that one of these sick rapists is an
by dioxholsterreturns
AICN member? southafricanguy, you have anything to say about that? i know you are familiar with stuff of that sort. i bet you can spot them for me.
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Nov 01, 2009 5:13:59 AM CST
CHECK OUT THIS!!! WRITERS SPEAK OUT AGAINST HATE!!!!
by dioxholsterreturns
http://tinyurl.com/yjy7vkl holy shit man
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Who is that Devin clown, anyway? 4 stars for Terminator 4? Is he the Total Film reviewer who also gava that sack of shit movie 4 stars as well?
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That's low! All people who are still feeling skeptical about this movie are 15 years old basement dwellers? Or did it ever corssed your mind they might just be people who have been burned before by over-hyped movies with lots of big CGI effects in the trailers who turned up to be shitfiest? It's not cynicism, it's skepticism, two very different things. Yes, there's some smart-asses here who are doing the "it's sucks!" routine, but it's easy to spot them, they don't have a single idea to supporter their negative view. You are indescriminatingly putting everybody who is yet to be completly enthusiastic about this movie in one sack. It's foolhardy. As much there is no excuse for unjustified negativism, there is also no escuse for blind enthusiasm either, the way i see it.
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is enlightning. And i'm certain that Cameron is a big fan of Poul Anderson, his style of SF sits very well with the prefered themes explored in Cameron's movies.
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... which, despiste my skepticism, i doubt it will be, but even in that case i'll not give up on Cameron. The man has proved too many times he's a top grade filmmaker, and it will not be one misguided mess that will terminate my enthusiasm and respect for him. James Cameron is not Robert Zemeckis.
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He is indeed the one and the same clown.
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This is your hunting territory, isn't it? I bet you must be as happy as a clam, in the company of fellow enthusiasts for Avatar. I'll not deny that despiste my skepticism, part of me is also enthusiastic about the movie, and the happy feeling of seeing a new Cameron after such a long wait. I'm the kind of dude who is old enough to have seen Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss and T2 in the theaters back in the day. Think about it.
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This is why the mans work stands up. He just doesn't know how to phone it in. There's some incredible work in that trailer, like Quaritch looking up as the creature flies over the canopy of his gunship. Brilliant.
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It's been too long, December can't come soon enough for me. It's been 18 years since his last sci-fi...
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Being a skeptic is fine, as long as the justifications are interesting and informative. But, the tired screeds demonstrated above don't match that description. For one, the trailer DOES look good, even though it's a story that's been seen before in SF stories from before the Gernsback days. The dialogue *might* be creaky in places, but who knows? We're looking at 3:30 minute trailer for a film that runs around 166 minutes. What is the basis of the skepticism—not being 'in love' with the trailer? Is it unappealing in terms of story? Or should we concentrate on the CGI as THE focus?The main question for me is 'How does the CGI work to enhance the story?' Or 'does it distract from the story? The cynics already know the answer; for them it's a matter of taste—they don't like CGI, so the film is automatically tainted from conception. It's a full bore digital backlash against a movie because of one element used in it's production. Granted it's a MAJOR element and arguably a selling point, but it's necessary to tell this particular story–a story that hasn't been told yet. Why the rush to judge an entire film because of the trailer?That's easy enough: contrarian ideas fuel internet forums. But, why are there so many incomprehensible attacks against THIS movie? Again, something about the ambition seems to enrage the cynics — this film MUST fail in order for them to feel justified about their attacks (and let's be clear, they're attacking a TRAILER).Here we have a filmmaker known for his action set-pieces and his consistency in storytelling. He's detail oriented. He's meticulous. He's demanding on his cast and crew. But, also his films are among the most fondly remembered and critically discussed films within the pantheon of SF. They are pop cultural touchstones that impact the culture. AND, these films are ambitious. So, it seems like the cynics are attacking his ambition; somehow conflating the movie's ambition with the director's 'arrogance'. So, now his 'personality' is being criticized and that extends to the trailer of a movie, as yet unreleased. Seriously? That's now the criteria for judging films? Was Orson Wells ego up for critique along with his movies? Suddenly a director's alleged hubris is fair game for determining the worth of his/her movie? So, ambition is to be ridiculed and dismissed because of the 'hype' on the movie?Cautious optimism seems in order based on Cameron's track record, but no reasonable fan is writing a panegyric of high praise without seeing the movie.They're simply excited by the possibility of higher caliber entertainment promised by the trailer. AND, by James Cameron's track record in the genre of SF.The skeptic looks at suspect elements in a movie and will be unconvinced of the value it contains, but the should have a degree of objectivity in determining the films value. They'll judge the movie according to it's genre and how entertaining it is. But, some 'skeptical' opinions veer off into cynicism for no other reason than soap box posturing (of which I'm guilty). And, many times they're wrong. I've been burned by many a movie, but if something as ambitious and arguably ground-breaking as "Avatar" comes out, I'll be damned if I'll judge the entire movie based on the trailer. It may be flawed or even narratively unexceptional but, lemme see it first.
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amen to that man.same here.
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I speak for myself, and i'm a skeptic by nature, and i'm still a bit skeptic about this movie. and this latest trailer is doing me no favours, but again i mostly put the blame on how porly made and banal this cliche trailer is. But being skeptical doesn't mean i cannot have hopes too, if they are justifiable. I find in this trailers as much reasons to be skeptical as to be enthusiastic.And as a skeptic who is convinced has good rereasons for that, it gets in my nerves when some over-enthusiastic fool who only has blind faith and litle else to berate anybody who doesn't share his absolute enthusiasm and doesn't geekasm all over the movie. If the mere mindless negativists are fools, so are the blind faithfuls. It's like watching two religious fanatics discussing which of their prefered imaginary god is best. Both are fools and have no business criticising anybody's ideas.
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Iknew it! That Devin fool, i suspect his reason for being in Total Film is to be used by the magazine as their ass-kissing liassion to the studios, whenever the magazine wants to be on their good side for scopes. And i don't think the guy is cynical about it, i really think the guy is that dumb, he truly mistakes those dumb shit movies as good. I wouldn't even be suprised if Devin was also the guy who gave the positive reviews to Wolverine, Trasnformers 2, Shit trek and GI Joe. Terminator 4 and Shit Ttrek got 4 stars, GI Joe, Transformers 2 and Wolverine got 3 stars. Can you fucking believe that? Really, this clown is completly sold to the idea of dumb blockbusters as good cinema. And he's a professional reviewer, for christ's sake! There should have been some standards, don't you think? If i'm not mistaken, Devin gave Pearl Harbor 4 star. Think about that. In the words of Christian Bale: "fucking ass!"
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Sometimes the skeptic in me prevents me from enjoying simple pleasures like sit-coms. There are some that are truly amazing, but, I'm so jaded on the form that it's difficult for me to give them a chance.
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To say that Cameron has passion almost veers into understatment. Even his weaker movies show a passion and love for cinema and to deliver to audiences their ticket worth of entertaiment that is rare to see in most younger filmmakers this days who make big blockbusters and are not called Christopher Nolan.Cameron might specialise in big bloated action epics, but one always feel that he puts a piece of him in his movies. His movies might not be very intellectual, but still you see an honesty to them that is absent in most movies of similiar size, scope and budget.And this is what i connect the most with Cameron's movies, his honesty. Despiste all his flaws as a filmmaker and a human being, he is a very honest filmmaker when he pours his heart onscreen. Action with heart, he always did that. And it's enthralling. He is one of the unfortunatly not too many filmmakers where he truly is able to create a true visceral experienced in his movies. And even when he fails to that, like in True Lies, you still can sense that there's stuff in the movie that cames from a deep place inside him. How not to connect with that?Do I enjoy Cameron's movies because he delivers big spectacle and big special effects sequences and imaginative action sequences? Yes. I also enjoy them becasue in his movies, however flawed they might be, they still look like they were made by a human being and a crew of humans interested in telling a story, instead of a mindless corporate comité devoted to make formulaic mass-produced products.My hopes for Avatar is that Caemron can show, not just to hacks like Jar Jar Abrams, McG, Michael Bay, Brett Ratner, Stephen Sommers and Rob Cohen how to make a truly good epic cinematic stravaganza, but more importantly, to teach THE GEEKS IN HERE and everywhere and the critics how this type of movies are really done, and to make them aware how foolish and fools they are for supporting those aforementioned hacks movies they made recently, with a special mention to that supposed "faithful" "good" movie to the beloved SF TV classic we had to suffer this year. I really hope that Cameron will deliver a god movie, but more important, a lesson to all this fools how things are done by a really talented filmmkaer. That's my hope.
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Nov 01, 2009 7:36:38 AM CST
I'm with Tarkovsky who didn't believe a film should appeal to
by blakindigo
intellect over emotion. Honesty and emotion should dominate over intellectual argument. Do you guys agree?
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But you know what's the great thing about skepticism? It helps a lot seperate the good from the bad stuff. By being less complacent, when you get to watch the real good stuff, it hits you in the head like a tonne of bricks. That one good stuff will deliver far more thrills and fun then 100 of the lame and bad shit that's supposed to be entertaiment.The lesson i learned is that skepticism fuels and amps my sense of wonder. As i'm skeptical, and i reject and deject all the pretense shit, when i get to see the good stuff, it fires up my imagination and deliveres me thrills and an enthusiasm that far outweights the crap dumb shit stuff i'm supposedly "missing out". I'm not missing out anything. A should i lament missing 10 dumb movies when i gain a good movie that alone is ten times better and more enthralling? I don't. I'm not losing, i'm gaining. Skepticism works tremendously well for me for those reasons. I have no idea to change this that is working so well for me. No so-called "dumb fun" movie is worth the effort to change what is working perfectly for me, you know what i mean?My skepticism is one of the most important things that made me such an enthusiastic movie lover/movie geek. I'll accept no substitutes for that, certainly not blind acceptance.
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You know what i think? Those 3 things are equaly important. Honesty, emotion and intellectual argument should work equality as important in a movie. The best movies do that. And it's not even a question of quantity, of what more of this should be, and what amount of the other should be taken out. Depending of the story being told, one element can be more predominant then the other. But truly good and great movies have the 3. And a movie should be shy to use them all, just because of some preceived inclination of the public toward anti-intellectualism, or melodrama, or whateverthefuck. I came up with the example of THe Dark Knight of a movie wich mixed honesty, heart and intellectual argument brillantly and with such precision and thoughfulness. That movie would had been a failure with any of those elements missing.And it's weird that Tarkovsky would say such a thing, because his movies are filled to the grills with complete intellectual arguments from begining to end. Which begs the question, what did he considered to be honesty and heart? Because his movies are almost perfect paradigms of the "intellectual art-house crowd" movie.
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My biggest hope for Avatar is that with his movie, Cameron will teach, not just miserable hacks like Jar Jar Abrams, Michael Bay, Stephen Sommers, McG, Brett Ratner and Rob Cohen how a big epic adventure movie looks like, but most importantly, he will teaches THE GEEKS IN HERE and everywhere and the critics how this type of movies really look like. And make those who supported the most recent dumb movies made by the aforementioned hacks look like how foolhardy and foolish they were for their enthusiastic supporting for such lesser products. With a special, mention for those who have been so enthusiastic and supportive of that latest overbloated mess which is a so-called "faithful" "good" movie adaptation of a beloved SF TV classic. This is my biggest hope for Avatar and Cameron. That is my hope.
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It's like what
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emphasize the 'spiritual' level over the emotional but, definitely over the intellectual. I can't find the exact quote, but he seems to want audiences to experience his films 'directly' without any pretense to 'over-analyze' the content.But, then again, he didn't believe in the artist as individual, but that they had a higher purpose, to serve the 'inner voice of the people'. A vessel to help the individuals discover within themselves the divine. (of course I'm butchering his words and possibly his meaning).Either way, he wasn't making films for major corporations in a capitalist society that requires immediate return on investment; nor was he making films for a mass audience. So, yeah, he isn't the greatest frame of reference for contemporary profit-driven action pictures. But, I think he has some astute observations. And, his work is sublime…
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—But, please—I'M BEGGING YOU!—let's NOT go off on a vicious tirade about him. PLEASE?!I just think he has potential.Anyway, you're definitely correct—If Cameron's movie is a success it would teach an entire new generation staging, subtext, motivation and details, details, details in action sequences. By studying his movies one can see the 'cause and effect' in how he constructs the suspense within a scene. I'd love to see this happen.But, then again sometimes people pick up on the WRONG things to imitate—the surface effects, rather than the causes and consequences…
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...is also the guy who said "there is no such thing as dumb fun" in movies.
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or dances with smurfs.
that's all i could think of while watching this trailer.
the dialogue is pure lucas (poor little wheelchair anakin).
the plot (that they divulge in the trailer) could not possibly be more cliche. of course the main guy is going to go native, that happens in every movie like this and District 9 already did it better.
if this was a prequel to something from the 80's it would be raping someone's childhood jar-jar style.
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You know he's used to that by now.
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Abrams is basically Mammaries little Portuguese obssession, that along w/ the local Ovine population. It's a sad sad time in Porto.
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No fighting in the war room…
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Right, Cameron's movies are textbooks in how to stage action sequences and imaginative cinema.
I think the basic problem with todays crop of blockbuster helmers is they haven't bothered to learn the rules of filmmaking. So they break rules they don't know about left, right and centre and as a result nothing works.
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Abrams has at least done some good things though. Despite our Goatlover's rabid attempts at denying this.
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just from the preview, i can devise the most predictable hollywood ending. the navi win, they drive the humans away...for now. but it comes at a cost. the wheelchair traitor's human body is killed in the final battle. but in the last scene, where smurfette is crying over his body, his eyes open...dun, dun, dun.
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i'm talking about smurfette crying over his navi body and that his consciousness is not in that body for real. any takers? i bet this is the eyeball fucking ending you all have been wet over for a decade now.
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if thats true.and i am serious about this.If i got it correctly,Neuteri thinks that her navi lover is dead,since his body is killed,she carries his child,but Sam is not dead,his alive in his original body.But he cant tell to Neuteri the truth,he cant show up to her and tell her that he is the NAVI SAM,since the Navi hate the humans,and even if Neuteri did believe him,she (and the tribe)couldnt accept him back.So Sam has to spend the rest of his life without Neuteri and his child,loving her for ever but unable to be with her again.
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she cries for her lover,but her lover is alive,but the whole situation with the avatars,the humans,the navi and all this,is so fucked up,so she will never learn the TRUTH.that ending is more tragic than Titanic's ending with Leo sacrificing himself to save his lover.
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Keep schooling the bitches. Did you get lots of candy last night?
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Franjkly, i think Jar Jar Abrams is the worst of the bunch. Not because he's the most untalented of teh bunch, that "honour" fals to Micahel Bay, but because at least with Bay we know where we stand and what he's made of. Jar Jar is far more insidious. He's a filmmaker that thanks like a studio executive. And he would be the one to have to learn the most with Cameron. However, while soembody like Bay would take the wrong lessons, Jar Jar will subvert the good lessons and turns them on it's head in the service of dumb idiotic blockbusters. His two cinema movies are examples of that. He magpies good stuff from other, much better filmmakers, and then pretends he's using them with the same spirit and inteligence but it's all show with no content, mere surfaces.This is where i have hopes for James Cameron and his Avatar, i have hopes to see again the real deal after all this blockhbuster fakery i have seen all year long. I hope Cameron delivers. I hope for Cameron.
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"the guy who said "there is no such thing as dumb fun" in movies".Exactly, And i stand by that and wear it as a badge of pride. You, however, like them dumb, very dumb. The dumber they get the most fun you have, isn't it? It's like your concubines, you really pick the dumbest of them all.And by the way, with cool guys like southafricanguy and kwisatzhaderach in here, what use i have of you? Get lost, dumb lover.Go make some more lame defenses of Jar Jar Abrams' Shit Trek on the other thread. This place is way over your head. You like them dumb, don't you remember? And Cameron doesn't do dumb fun. Get lost, dumb lover.
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"Mammaries will give Avatar 4 Goathooves up"Kudos to you good sir!
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Back to the subject, the surfaces effects lesosn that many untaletned filmmakers "learn", we can come up with the example of Michael Bay, whose entire career is made of copying the surface effects of James Cameron and Tony Scott. They say that Bay worships and admires Cameron a lot, but then in his movies it has hardly the more important stuff that Cameron so painstakingly puts in his movies, in terms of story, characterization, storytelling devices and attention to detail.Well, i guess that's the reason why James Cameron is called a master of big spectacle epics, isn't he? While Bay only makes bloated 80s rip-offs action movies. Cameron uses a budget, Bay, Jar Jar Abrams and Co. wastes them.
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The dumb praises the dumb. Of course.
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I'd wager most people here like both dumb fun and intelligent movies. You're the odd man out, chief.
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I think the ending that you described IS the ending of Avatar. Unless Cameron really gets cruel, pulls a Titanic either Sully or the Na'Vi girl. Or even both. Man, killing both leads, that would be hardcore for a nearly 300 million dollars movie. I doubt it will happen, but , but i'll be impressed no end if it does. Hell, one of the leads dying would already be impressive.Or maybe he pulls a "Casshern" and kills EVERYOBDY but the leads, and the two leads then go to someplace else, some other planet maybe, where there's no humans and Na'Vi, far from the madding crowd, so to speak.
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I'm a odd man out because i only care for smart movies? Fuck, the education system is gone to shit. There would be a time when the people supporting the dumb shit would be the odd man out.Guess what, you can have all that dumb fun shit, i have no interest for that crap, you can have it, it fits you. Now fuck off with your dumb lover concubines, you attention seeking whore.
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Go to the other thread about Jar Jar Abrams's Shit trek delected scene, and list in there the marvelous stuff that Jar Jar Abrams has made so far that should be mistaken for good filmmaking. Again, i must repeat to that dumb lover head: don't post in here, post in the other thread, OK? Can your dumb lover mind understand that?
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that James Cameron makes "dumb fun" movies. I can't wait for the faithfuls of the Church Of Dumb to appropriate of Cameron as one of the pilars. As they have done constantly for the whole action genre.
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And only a moron can't understand why.
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Please let your movie be really good, as in, entertaining, epic, enthralling and smart. So that you can teach the Dumb Lovers Geeks here that smart and fun not only they are not mutually exclusive, but they are essencial to each other and also inseperable.Yours truly,AsimovLivesP.S.: Don't mind what the Dumb Lovers say, The Abyss is really a very good movie.
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with this silly Trek feud?
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...let me be as straightforward and simplistic in my statement as I possibly can.When it comes to the idea of FUN and whether it qualifies as a legitimate reason to enjoy a film, you are just plain and flat-out WRONG.
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In what way? That a movie is preferable to be dumb then smart to be fun? Because there is nothing in this world that would made me subscribe to that idea.And it's good that i have seen you here, because i have wanted to ask you this: have you seen The Road? And if yes, how was it? As good as we hoped for?
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Is Nerd-Rage ala Fat fuck Devin, and he's read the scriptment, which of course could have changed by now I'm not spoiling it but he's close to the scriptment so do not read his post at all If you want to stay clean for Dec.
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why the corporation asks Sam,a disabled marine,to lead a very important dimplomatic mission.nice,since it was one of the things that bugged me from the start.
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Again, AssLives simply doesn't grasp the notion that there is dumb fun (The Beastmaster) and intelligent fun (The Terminator).
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better than watching it on your shitty computer monitors. Maybe some of the 12 year old kids running around here that think it looks like fucking Fern Gully saw it and will shut up and put a dick back in their mouth
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No, man, it's not a trek feud, actualy. The truth is simplier and dumber. The Trek feud, as regard to those dumb idiots above, is not the real thing, not the real issue. Of course, because those guys are idiots, they would be bound to love Shit Trek. The issue here is not that everybody that likes Shit Trek is an idiot. There's many smart, intelligent people i know and respect in here who made the mistake of liking that shit, fine people like southafricanguy, rogueleader66 to name a few. Those i respect and have feelings of freidnship.. but the dumb asses above, they are idiot, and idiots will love Shit Trek, because it's on their level.. But the real issue is a different thing, in here disguised as a Trek feud. The real issue is that theres this bunch of idiots called Sal_Brando, DrMobius, Lost Jarv, quantise, Xiphos_2 and some other idiots whose nicks i can't even bother to remember, who are the dedicated concubines of DocPazuzu. And each of them rolls all over each other to catch his attention, to be in the most good graces. so, each of those bitches compete to whom will make the most insulte at me. Because they know that DocPazuzuz hates me. So, it's a real contest show of sycophacy. Whoever gets to be the most sycophant will win. It's all rather silly, really. always good for a laught. But recently have have revealed a mean streak by goping complete xenophobic retard. Well, at least it shows them as the real xenophobic shits that they really are.
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No, i don't grap the concept that there is dumb fun. I would need to be dumb like you to graps that concept, i guess. But i don't rate that as an handicap. It saved me from loving such a piece of shit like Jar Jar Abrasm's Shit trek. I guess i have been spoiled by the good stuff like Cameron's movies. But guess what, i am not losing anything for not being able to have fun at such crap dumb shits you like. The good smart stuff more then suffices. I don't need the dumb fun shit, fuck that shit, you can have it and good ridance to you, dumb lover boy.
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I didn't saw the featurette, so can you tell me why is it that the corporation needs Sully so much above all else?
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THE ROAD does not open until November 25th.As for the concept of FUN, the word speaks for itself. If you enjoy a film because it is FUN, whether it is smart or dumb does not matter. The only qualifying aspect is that you enjoyed the film (whatever type it may be). Now, your preference of type (a different kind of qualifier) has nothing to do with the immediate experience.
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AVATAR is the low
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...AssLives simply doesn't get it.
Lifeforce, Beastmaster, Poultrygeist=dumb fun.
Terminator, Spider-Man, Total Recall=smart fun.
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No. I'd say that these are individuals who have a problem with your repetitive rants (STAR TREK, Abrams, Michael Bay, etc.) and the way you present yourself and come off on these boards.Why do you think I've bitchslapped you from time to time?!
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for pussy. HA! you didnt see that coming did ya? SGU RULEZ BABY!!!
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"your preference of type (a different kind of qualifier) has nothing to do with the immediate experience"Unfortunatly it's no so. As soon i see real dumb shit in a movie, it kills my capacity to be entertained. I really detest stupidity and dumb shit that hacks do. Because everytime i see one of those "dumb fun", i see a filmmaker with a complete disregard for the very people who are paying to see the movie, and i see people who didn't do much of an effort to try to make a movie worth of the time and money the consumers give. It's like paying the prices of a Volvo or a VW to get a malayan car. The price is not worth of the shit you get. I have always admired intelligence and smart above all else. I also respect and admire when filmmakers try to elevate their material and make a smart movie, even if they fail. I call those interesting failures.What the dumb lovers will not understand is that a movie doesn't need to be intellectual art-house to be smart. There's more ways to be smart then just the art-house route. I even don't like art-house movies all that much, i had a belly full of those in the 80s and early 90s with those unsufferable arty french movies. Never again! I have enjoyed a lot of exploitation movies which, despiste all their exploitive nature and all the exploitation tricks, they have some semblance of an intelligence and a desire to tell a theme or a social criticism. And that is a type of smart movie, a movie with more to it then just that stupid notion of dumb fun that is nothing but an excuse to justify a shit movie from a bad filmmaker.I bet the Dumb Fun brigade loves to highjack movies like Big Trouble In Little China to their canon and declare it a dumb movie, so they can justify themselves. But that's hogwash! Bullshit! Only idiots would fall for that nonsense.Dumb is fun? Talk about an alien concept for me. And i intend to keep it that way. I have nothing to gain from "dumb fun". I stick to the good stuff, thank you very much.
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Nah, the trek feud is an excuse. And it's hard to call them INDIVIDUALS, when they all say the same shit and act the same way. Trained dogs would be more like it.
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Mr Probably, what movie is that? A comedy with chickens? Sounds pretty dumb to me, must be why you like it.
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Sorry, Wanda Sykes. The ONLY description for this movie is: gay. And that's not hatred talking. That's not me saying the salt shaker is stupid. I _am_ gay. And this movie is about IMAX-sized shots of a dude's naked ankles and feet panning in slow motion as if this were something anyone wants to see (and an upskirt angle of his hospital gown, too). This is a movie where the lead villain looks like one of those high-pitched-voice in the translations anime characters who have huge and oddly-defined lips and laugh like women in the English version. This is a movie where the supposed draw is a wan spiritless lead actor whose eyes are more dead than his CGI counterpart who has absolutely no capacity to emote. "Uh, this is our land. Um, nobody's taking it, uh, away." My god, who hires him? How does he keep getting work? He's got the charisma of a pocket wrench.This is pure disaster. It looks so totally dull and so totally lifeless and so totally artificial. Not one emotion rings real or true in the entire trailer. It's an insincere eco-fable featuring THUNDERCATS and will be a total "No Weapons of Any Kind" battle. They have now even gone so far as to put that into the trailer: "All we have are rocks and bows and arrows?" Yeah, awesome. Can't wait to see the silly-ass mechs with giant hands and no heads (a robot, to be cool, needs to have a head with a face on it - Mazinger taught me that) dance around the jungle in shots as unconvincing as the "you get your real legs back" robot hand movement that looks more like REAR projection than REAL projection. Can't wait to see long, long, long speeches in the jungle by CGI characters with no facial expressions. I can't wait to see any of that! Yahoo!
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Furthermore, I want to see one of these movies end with the characters driving off the evil Corporate America and cheering. Then, one of them stubs his toe and the others all cry out "Oh, no! We have no institutionalized medicine - so that's going to get infected now, and you're going to die. Sorry." THE END
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thats how good it is man. the only person who doesnt need to see SGU is the person who is having sex with megan fox right now. that leaves 6 billion people who need to see SGU in all its glory. unless Megan fox is slutty, then its like 5.99999999999999999 billion or something. im not sure i was never good at math, but i loved square roots because it looked awesome, not so sure what it did though.
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You think Lifeforce and Poltergeist are dumb movies? You mean, as dumb as Shit Trek? You are a real cruel motherfucker. What did those two fine movies did to you to deserve to be shit upon them by you? Fuck's sake, man! Show some fucking respect! You call yourself a geek? BAHH! Unbelievable! Some people!
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JAMES: "IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK!"FANS: "I know you've been gone a long time, Jim."JAMES:"And have I been working on something amazing!"FANS: "This isn't going to be one of those movies about cats in space with lasers, is it?"JAMES: No way. It's totally different than that. It's EPIC!
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I though you had seen The Road already because of Ebert's review is already published. Is this normal, such earlier reviews for movies yet to be released so down the road (no pun intended)?
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from here: http://tinyurl.com/yk522jj
but to answer you the question:
the navi avatar is a clone hydrid of human and navi dna.The original leader of the diplomatic group was Sam's twin brother.But he got killed and the corporation asks from sam to take his place,since his twin's brother Navi avatar has the same dna with him,thus his consciousness can be transferred into it.good explanation if u ask me. -
Nov 01, 2009 12:55:55 PM CST
What i would really like to see is the justification for
by asimovlives
the floating mountains. Or will Cameron pull a art-house or byzarro Flash Gordon type deal and not even bother to explain it at all?
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SPOILER: The corporation created an avatar for Jake's brother, but he died. Therefore they need Jake to take his place because of the huge financial investment they made in the avatar for his brother.
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According to the leaked script, the Navi make a heroic stand, the lead guy is killed within his machine on Earth, but a kiss from the lead female Navi allows him to become a Navi forever. The planet Pandora itself is alive and sees humans as a threat and creates a virus that ensures humans can never come back to Pandora.
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It's something to do with the substance of the rocks and their reaction to the atmosphere on Pandora - i'm sure somebody on here has the proper explanation...
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Since you seem to be retarded, let's try this again:
Poultrygeist=dumb fun.
Poltergeist=smart fun.
One of your many problems is that you are incapable of understanding that some movies are made as dumb fun ON PURPOSE. There is no attempt on the filmmaker's part to fool or cheat the viewer.
Take The Sword And The Sorcerer, for instance--it's a piece of INTENTIONAL dumb fun, and those who go see it and enjoy it ALREADY KNOW THIS. If you watch it and are offended by its dumbness, then YOU are the idiot. See how that works? -
...why do you keep bringing up Star trek in every single talkback? Nobody even mentioned it here until you showed up and hijacked yet another thread in the name of your anti-Abrams jihad.
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You know what i think of that explanation? I think it was Cameron's way to try not to have an egghead as the hero of the movie. Even though the fact that Cameron is a big science geek, he like most recent filmmakers still has a great reluctance to have scientists as heros in adventure movies. Or if the hero is a scientist, they always downplay the theoretical and boast the technical side. In fact most movies mistake scientists with technicians/engineers, or they are far more accepting of using the laters as heros then the formers. Never understood why.Is Cameron with the character of Sully atemptint to go for a redemoption story or something? The no good brother who finally does a good thing in his life or something like that?
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sausages in your asshole. its that simple.
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and its shown in the trailer too,with the small floating rock in Giovani's office table.That precious mineral,which Giovani's corporation wants to extract from Pandora has some strange features,and one of them is that it becomes unaffected by gravity when placed on a magnetic field.And the floating islands contain this compound,and since they are placed inside Pandora's strong magnetic fields,they become unaffected by Pandora's gravity.
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HE JUST POSTED THE ENDING OF AVATAR DELIBERATELY. PLEASE ERASE.
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movie.just film it already ffs.
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It's just a prediction.
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I didn't brough it up, you fucking over-emotional ass! I made a coment which was not even original in here, in that, i mentioned Jar Jar Abrams as a hack who would learn a lesson in filmmaking from James Cameron with Avatar. I am not even original in that, kwisatzhaderach had made a similiar post and even named Jar Jar Abrams too. So, the problem is you, you and your concubines who go hysteircal if i so even INDIRECTLY mention, IN CONTEXT, your beloved Shit Trek. Really, you bloody emos should put a corn in your over-reactive emotionalisms. And really idf you don't like what i have to say, you could ignorare me, couldn't you? Ort is that too much an intellectual process for you to understand? Of cours,e all that trek feud is a ruse by you and your concubines. You just have an irrational hatred for me, and any thing is just a justification for your mindless bashing retarded stupidity. At least with Jar JaAr Abrams and his Shit Trek i can offer a thoughful reason for why i hate them. You have nothing of the kind. Nothing. Irrational bitches, the bunch of you. Small wonder you love "Dumb fun". Fucking asses!
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sam's twin brother is a marine too.he is not a scientist.the science part of the mission team lies on Ripley and the other blond geek.But sam and rodriguez are the military part of the team.I dont know if he is the leader of the team,but from the impression i got from teh trailers,the corporation/army relationship thing works exactly the same as in the Aliens movie.Both the corporate and the army have invested on Pandora and they sent a diplomatic team consisted of scientists but lead by soldiers.Its like in Aliens,with Burke and the blond,noob sergeant who is in lead of the team and not Burke.Which means that in Avatar the boss of the baddies is Col.Quatritch and not Giovani.Giovani represents the corpporation but Quatritch makes the calls.
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If you want to pick up a fight, you just found the rigth place, the right attitude and the right thing to say to the right crowd.
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... is like a walking contradiction. Nothing he says is consistent. He loves this, he hates that, they're the same thing. I can't figure you out, man. Are you parodying stuff?
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read this carefully, Mr Probably: I know that there are movies which are made DUMB ON PORPOSE. And that's my problem with them. That they are made dumb on porpose. Because you are dumb, you didn't understand that THAT IS MY VERY PROBLEM WITH THOSE DUMB SHIT MOVIES. And because you are dumb, you love them. Dumb loves dumb. Got it, dumb lover? Do you finally fucking understand? Fucking ass, how hard was that, dumb lover?
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Who would believe what you said above? A dumb lover dumb ass? You cnanot read my posts and the people i'm cordial with them and just go dumb as if you were watching some dumb movie you might love. This is a James Cameron movie talkback, thinking is invited and encouraged. That dumb attitude will not do. Say something interesting and with a bit of intellect, friend. This is the right place for that.
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Hurr Hurr ban this person Harry...Please... hurr hurr he ruined the ending hurr hurr hurr. You fucking crybaby.
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yes and to enact all of his wishes.
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In order to truly parody, you have to have a consistent character. Your AsimovLives character has no consistency, so the humor is lost on me.
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Avatar will have NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND (the guns in exhibit A trailer will be erased before release), wahhhh!!!!!It's all a big liberal conspiracy - Cameron's blue thundercats = Al'Qaeda, wahhhh!!!!I'm really a gay, Native American libertarian, I just don't like being sold a FALSE BILL OF GOODS!!!!Keep on Fighting the Power, good chap!!!
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BE THERE.
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This is just me and a preference of mine, but wouldn't it eb cool if in Avatar even the baddies were not baddies but people who truly believe what they are doing is the right thing, and not only merely for profit? Imagine that the stuff that Pandona has is not only a valuable commercial thing, but also soemthignt hat Earth is in urgent demand or else risks termination and complete shut down of civilization.You remmeber Akira? How inicially we thought he villains of the movie would be the corporation and the military who kidnapped Tetsuo, but as the story progresses, Tetsuo, who was inicially the hero and a victim, he became the movie's de fact villain, to the point even the inicial villains became part of the solution to the problem? Of course, i'm not expecting such a dramatic even from Cameron's movie Avatar. I suspect the good guys will be good guys from begining to end, and the villains will be telegraphed from the begining and show all their true colours by the mid-point to teh end of the movie. Basically, the movie will have a conventional structure. And yet, is this necessarily a bad thing? I would prefer a more complex unpredictable structure, and yet, is a conventional structure bad in itself?I'm remined of what the online critics and ocasional AICN collaborator Vern says about the conventions of genres. He compares them to jazz. It's not so much the melody that matters, and that it's played again and again, but what you can do with it and give your own personal touch. Give the same music to play to ten different talented artists, and each will play the same tune but with differences and variations, each with their own unmistakenly style and personal touch. This is what Vern says is the difference between the really good filmamkers and the hacks, when both tackle a genre and the differences both have for the use of conventions. The hack will play the cliches to the hilt, but the talented filmmaker will take advantage of them to turn and twist and subvert the cliches and conventions and deliver his own thing, while still be within the genre.James Cameron is not a hack. So maybe Avatar will have a conventional structure. But the fun will be to see what will Cameron do with it, how he will play it to his style. And hopefully, Cameron was inspired when he did it for Avatar. Here's to hoping.
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How can a movie fuck up my memory? Explain, friend.
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Unless you are mistaking me for the other fellow who use kinda similiar nicks to mine. I would understand your confusion in that case.
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That is your legacy. The Hybrid of one M-O-M (Memories of Murder, a deviant psychopath) and you, AsimovLives, a deranged loony.
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...which are made DUMB ON PORPOSE. And that's my problem with them. That they are made dumb on porpose. Because you are dumb, you didn't understand that THAT IS MY VERY PROBLEM WITH THOSE DUMB SHIT MOVIES. And because you are dumb, you love them. Dumb loves dumb. Got it, dumb lover?"
Wow.
Sooooo, a person who loves a dumb movie is automatically dumb? Even southafricanguy and the others who you say you "respect"?
Again with the hypocrisy...
Let me ask you something: do you ever eat hamburgers? Pizza? Any kind of junk food? Or do you eat nothing but the finest cuisine at every meal? If you DO eat junk food on occasion, how can you justify it since you know it's not good for you? Or is it simply a case of wanting to eat something tasty and predictable, but with no complications? -
"No weapons of any kind," as I have said before, doesn't LITERALLY mean there are no guns in the movie to be seen. I've explained before its origin. It came about as a catch phrase for me because of the promised US MILITARY FIGHTS ALIENS ON EARTH teaser that ran for ALIEN 3, and the eventual release of ALIEN 3 wherein Sigourney Weaver proclaims "You mean we have no weapons of any kind?" The audience wanted WEAPONS OF EVERY KIND! We were promised a huge war on Earth between aliens and humans. That meant massive military spectacle, basically ALIENS dialed up to FIVE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND. We did not get that. REIGN OF FIRE promised Apache gunships fighting dragons with gatling-guns over London. We did not get that (they even shit on us in the opening narration - "The kickass war with human gunships fighting dragons over London happened in five seconds, and we lost. Now we have no weapons of any kind.") ROCKETEER had a final money shot for the trailer that depicted the Rocketeer holding a pistol looking badass on top of Griffith Observatory. In the real movie, he picks up the gun five seconds before that shot and loses it five seconds after. They ADDED THE GUN JUST FOR THE TRAILER and posters. For AVATAR, what this means, "No Weapons of Any Kind," is that we will NOT get the hoped-for-by-me shots of gatling guns mowing down armies of Na'Avi and Na'Avi plunging their primitive spears into the hearts of the marines and scalping them. We will NOT get the finale of INGLOURIUS BASTERDS in space, despite everyone holding weapons and weilding weapons and screaming about weapons. We will get bloodless action in which the cvharacters 'fall' out of their spaceships to disappear into the fog. We will get Na'Avi CGI-edly clutching their chests bloodlessly and falling over. We will not get to see Na'Avi swiss-cheesed by the guns on the ships. See, that's what NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND means, man. You promise one thing with the visuals - putting in huge, amazing guns - but then you're guaranteeing by the rating and the content that they will NOT come into full use.
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Nov 01, 2009 2:28:25 PM CST
I think the 4 minute featurette was better than both trailers
by thewaqman
It really sold the idea that this movie is a huge leap of faith in terms of design choice and such. And I think Cameron focused alot more on design and creating the world over writing the story. Which isn't too big a problem. Reminds me alot of those 50's sci-fi book covers where the world was more a mash up of sci-fi and fantasy. As opposed to the much more popular gritty sci-fi. Loving the color pallete.
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What the hell happened to choice? It's like they've completely abandoned the fantasy in science fiction and decided to stay with dark greys and browns everywhere. District 9 is very guilty of this as are many other films.
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Nov 01, 2009 2:31:18 PM CST
And finally, Stephen Lang's mech has a giant combat knife!!!
by thewaqman
Looks very badass when he pulls that shit out.
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correct.You know something that i noticed in the trailers? Quatrich is shown in more scenes than Giovani.Maybe in the movie,giovani's character wont turn out the greedy,murderous,asshole,as Burk was in Aliens.maybe his character has redeeming qualities.And Quatritch characters reminds me more of Brandon's chracter from Apocalypse Now.he is not evil,but as a soldier he does whatever it is needed to be done,in order to protect his men and serve his country.his actions are evil,but his core way of viewing things is not.
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Will be forced to give Avatar a good review - both to try and demonstrate how he has no bias, and because the movie will simply be too good to credibly bash. The exact same thing happened with The Dark Knight where he trashed the movie for months before release and had already decided to hate it, but was forced to give it a grudging 8/10 upon release; although he still despised the movie, simmering in impotent rage once the common consensus turned against him. Mind you, he gave GI Joe an 8.5, so he apaprently thinks that was a better movie than TDK - which says it all about his 'taste', really (although I doubt it's more taste rather than a backhanded pay-off) .Let's just leave him to suck off Ron and Harry (Hermione will be left unmolested, Faraci doesn't swing that way), and be blackballed/blueballed (from being unable to satisfy his repressed sexual urges and Potter man lust)/kicked in the balls (by Fox's legal team), and speak no more of him.
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one of the best thing about this movie.enough with the dark brown,grey
pallete which is used not only in the scifi,fantasy/comic movie,but also in the videogames.Gears of wars is the champion of this.
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replace with: which is used not only in the 'serious,mature,dark'
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why do i have to entertain you? why do i have to make jokes? i'm not here to entertain you. im here to make you cry. cry about the fact that not everyone is a james cameron fanboy drone. there are many many people who saw the trailers and now think that avatar is a disaster. keep up your hopes though. it will make your tears all that much sweeter on opening night. (on opening night i will be watching the watchmen. a far superiour film)
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and i cant say i disagree completey with you,but i have 2 comments to make:
1.thats exactly the main reason why Saving Private Ryan is a crapfest movie.
2.i said it on the alien topic,when defending avp1.i will say it here again:
we must view the movie,not only by our own point of view,but also from the directors point of view,in order to understand what motivated his creativity decisions of his film.(a reason i always listen the dvd director commentaries of my favourite movies)
avatar costs 230m.its a lot of money and they cant afford to limit the target group,they need as many people as possible to watch this film.
moreover its obvious that this movie is more about a love story and the theme of the strong feasting on the weak,and less about giving an anti-war or an anti-violence message.
so you cant have the massacre and the graphic deaths you expect from such an epic battle.(btw lotr's battles how visceral were they?).they dont serve the purpose of the film,the directors vision.and you cant prevent kids from watching it because of the r-rating,because you the kids money,and ultimately Cameron needs the film to become a game-changer.and for that u need as many supporters as possible,and kids serve this role perfectly.
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you are a holocaust denier and an asshole loser. p.s. i love how spaz makde the joke that lincoln park is the favorite band of all avatar fans. then you corrected him on the spelling of the band and called him a loser! hahahaahah you confimed his comment you moron! bwahahaha
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Nov 01, 2009 2:53:59 PM CST
ominus, saving private ryan is a crap fest?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
and avatar is going to be the best movie ever? hahaahaha YOU idiot! you are a moron! you have no place to dis me. you have the worst taste in movies ever! why don't you write o long dissertation on how awesome the fantasic four movie is you idiot.
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"gatling guns mowing down armies of Na'Avi"Exhibit A - Trailer Marines in a cordon, firing profusely at a Na'vi cavalry charging them and mowing them down."Na'Avi plunging their primitive spears into the hearts of the marines"Exhibit B - Behind the scenes set report of Stephen Lang with bloody wound and poisoned arrow sticking out of his chest.F A I LBut wait, Court objection - FALSE BILL OF GOODS!!! - Avatar doesn't feature NC-17 level action????!!! I was expecting Lucio Fulci level decapitations and guesome scalpings!!! Grindhouse in space!!!Gasp!!! Court dismissed!!! Dose nasty wibberals triumph ugain, cletus!!!Quentin Tarantino's Avatar!!!A roaring rampage of revenge!!!Sam Worthington is a Basterd! Sigourney Weaver is a Basterd! Stephen Lang is a basterd! Col. Quaritch dialogue - "Bring me the blue scalps of a hundred dead Na'vi - and Aye Want Maaaaa Scalllpps, boys!!!" Coming to your galaxy this summer!!!
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I don't follow CHUD at all, thankfully, so I wasn't aware of this. I heard his review on a TV show though and it seemed pretty hateful. Why did he WANT to hate this film?
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in fact, outside of the opening beach invasion scene and Tom Hank's last scene the movie is nothing special really. I've seen much much much better war films.
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and i immediately concluded that the movie is a disaster movie.its like saying:
i saw a pussy in a picture and i immediately learned how it feels to make love with a woman.
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I get it now, youa r eone of those stupid retard idiots which believe, without any proof whatsoever to support your argument, that i am or was or whatever the fuck you think it was that other guy called Memories Of Murder, right? Fuck's sake! So, you are another of those stupid fucks. So, you are DocPazuzuz's newest concubine, hem? Hell, that idiot's haren is the most populated thing ever. There's no shortage of new idots to fill it. Fucking ass!
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Nov 01, 2009 2:56:45 PM CST
why do you idiot saya that the "avatar hater"
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
will see it on opening night? i'm not as stupid as you are. why would i be there on opening night? that sounds like a night in hell to me. i'll just put on my dvd of dark crystal and enjoy a movie with far superior storytelling and special effects.
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mindless, silly, unthinking FUN! like gi joe or the transformers series. a great way to kill 2 hours on a dead night! (i wont be there though)
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I'd rather sit through TF3 than any fucking Evil Dead movie. Thankfully, the audience agrees.
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Nov 01, 2009 3:03:46 PM CST
now i know that the pro avatar people are idiots
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
you are all saying that SPR is a bad movie? you officially lost the argument to me. you are morons. avatar is more on par with captain planet or he-man than SPR. thats like saying that thundercats is better than the great escape. you should all kill yourselves now and save the rest of from having to hear your stupid inane prattle.
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I don't follow CHUD either, I just heard about this through the grapevine. Who knows? - Farci obviously decided that the fanboys liked Nolan's Batman, and so decided to hate it on general principal just to be a dick about it. That's the kind of guy he is. A lifetime of rejection and non-acceptance so he rejects them first just in case. He pushes them away so he can't feel the pain no more!!!
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Instead of asking: "How many avatar fans does it take to screw in a light bulb?", you could ask "How many idiots does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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what a dumb fuck.
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so i cant be blinded by american patriotism and proud,concerning the movie's quality.for instance the beach invasion was TECHNICALLY outstanding,but it lacked emotion.and what about the german soldiers? why didnt we get their view of their cruel deaths? or,as a greec critic once said correctly: were the allies shooting rubber bullets on the german soldiers?
thats why i liked Red Thin Line better,and i consider it a greater movie than SPR: it had emotion,poetry, and an anti-war message for all the sides.it had a universal pan-human message of peace and union.but thats just me.
and who the fuck told you that i consider avatar the greatest movie ever? i only consider it, at least,the BEST movie compared to the whole filmographies of hacks like Bay,mcg,ratner,abrams and etc. -
who cried when they saw the avatar trailer? you did, because you have terrible taste in movies and seeing the avatar trailer was a moment of clarity for you. walk away from the avatars and the gi joes and the mummy 3's and join the rest of the world enjoying movies like drag me to hell, jj abrams star trek and district 9! avatar will suck the life out of the 2009 movie season
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You are a stupid fuck because you love a deliberatly made dumb movie. Made worst because YOU KNOW IT WAS DELIBERATLY MADE DUMB AND YET DEFEND IT WITH FURY AND THUNDER. You got that, idiot?I can't tell for what southafricanguy and rogueleader66 think. But i respect them yes, even if they happen to like Shit Trek. You got that, dumbass? I respect them. I respect them a lot. I consider them friends who i would love to meet in the flesh and have a few drinks at the pub. I respect them immensely, and we have always been very friendly with each other. It's always a pleasure to talk to them. And you, i shit on your, you stupid clown. Can you understand what's being said here, dumbass? I respect and call friends to two people who liked a movie i profoudnly dislike. And you,i call you a fucking asshole. So, what is the variable here? The variable here is you, you pathetic despicable stupid cunt. DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT NOW, IDIOT?Fucking ass!
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life is short,dont consume it with hate...
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Dolphinately. There also Posters here made DUMB on Porpoise-in your case it's because you're an inbred goat-banging dipshit from Porto w/ the IQ of said Goats. As Noted_Sage Jarv-Jarv Saithe, and I quothe--Almada and Portugal=Landfill. You know it to be so. Search your feelings.
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and who gives a fuck about the nazis? SPR is a story about americans fighting in ww2. it does not have to get all weepy about the feelings of nazis who were killing millions of people. nazis trying to exterminate an entire race of people. so, if SPR could not help you feel warm and fuzzy about the nazis then too fucking bad.
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so, right back at ya buddy
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He is barking up the wrong tree. Cameron will go after him with a hatchet!
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Nov 01, 2009 3:20:57 PM CST
oh, and there has been a lot of speculation
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
yes, i live in a basement. yes, i am inbred. yes, i am a virgin. yes, i fucked your sister. yes, i love tron more than avatar.
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including films like JJ Abrams Star Trek and District 9 in the "non-dumb" movie category.
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you mean a cgi hatchet right?
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I liked the Abrams Trek, too.
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complete with "next-gen" effects. Like added grey and brown to make everything look so gritty and darkzzzz. JJ Abrams Star Trek was basically Star Trek with no thinking involved and horrible acting. Nice one turning Kirk into a complete unlikeable asshole.
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The bitch is in heat, and is making a lot of toc all your attention with a show of dumb blind devootion. Atend to the bitch, man, don't let your concubines go unatended.
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i guarantee that one year from now, abrams star trek and d9 will be more fondly remembered than avatar. avatar will be spoken of the way phantom menace was one year later...
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Saving Private Ryan is your typical oscar-bait war film. I don't think it had anything to say either. Just felt like one of those civil war battle re-enactments.
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so d9 and star trek are ripoffs of robocop? wow... you are a serious fucking idiot...
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Nov 01, 2009 3:26:59 PM CST
If District 9 is the 'future' of sci-fi then we are going backwa
by thewaqman
this shit was done so much better in films like Aliens and Robocop. It's funny how you criticize this film for having such a basic plot whilst District 9 was just apartheid with shrimp. And Star Trek had NO PLOT WHATSOEVER. What the fuck happened in that film? All I got was Eric Bana wanting to kill everybody and he was really pissed off so Kirk and company defeated him. The End.
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Mammaries o Mammaries your goats are callin' ya home/Mammaries o Mammaries your goats beg ya not to roam/mammarie o Mammaries your sister is awaitin' again/ please milk her before fapping to Ron Reagan...
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Nov 01, 2009 3:28:27 PM CST
TheWaqman, avatar is just a gory videogame...
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
complete with "next-gen" effects. and kirk is unlikable asshole. always has been.
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how exactly do i hate you?
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Nov 01, 2009 3:29:52 PM CST
Also Avatar is more risky than any project in recent memory
by thewaqman
with District 9 we had sci-fi for the youtube generation. Hell they marketed it similar to Cloverfield. And what we got was an ultra-violent action film. Hmm...seems very easy to market. Star Trek? Remember the ads? Lets add some pretty boys and slap the title "this is not your father's star trek" also put some more Star Wars into it. Whilst with Avatar we have a director doing a complete design change. Straying from the usual gritty sci-fi he was known for and adding more Edgar Rice Burroughs-like fantasy in it. Creating an entire world that consists mostly of bright blues and oranges.
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blue cats prancing around a forest. in leather pants and headbands... so. fucking. lame.
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"Bring the Red Matter". But so? it was a good fun movie. Plus it makes our goat-humping Porto Fook about have a stroke every time it's mentioned, so you KNOW that's gotta count in it's favor.
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and I see no "next-gen" effects in Avatar. No grey or brown in sight. Sorry mate, stick to watching your 'gritty sci-fi'. Yawn, I'm looking for something new.
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let me count the ways
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Enjoy shitheads!
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"an entire world that consists mostly of bright blues and oranges."
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im not that faraci guy. im seth rogan. you will never call me fat again!!!
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but fuck spr,our topic is avatar.
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you will love 2012. it big, mindless FUN!
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if you dont mind.i am curious.
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Oddly enough, only online people seem to hate the SW prequels. Everyone else seems to enjoy them.
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Except it was set in space. Chase movies generally have a little plot, the characters interact based on how they react to the high-tension situation. Aliens is like that too, even if they aren't really "chasing" towards anything (aside from the drop ship at the end). there isn't much plot there, but it's about how the characters interact and react.
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of Alien Nation crossed with Robocop and The Fly. Word.
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I've never met a single person in real life, ANYWHERE, that enjoyed those last 20 minutes of bullshit in LOTR. Everyone online loves it. Really odd, that.
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---you'll LOVE CHUD! It's big, mindless, FUN!
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Faraci damn you
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100%. Last 40 mins of Return of the King after the Wedding at Minas Tirith was NOT NEEDED. But--remember, they hadda write Saruman's death outta there due to 'time constraints'...
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Well, having THREE endings was a bit much. But then again, PJ never cuts anything out.
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the point where they all bow down to the Hobbits. I think with the music and everything it was a really good scene and I felt like the credits were going to start around there. But sadly Peter Jackson slapped on a bunch of useless shit, but eh whatever. It didn't detract from my enjoyment of the trilogy. And it was a far better ending than the party with the ewoks.
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How do you try to create ANOTHER Kirk? Abrams, you are mad.
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Yeah, I'm shogun shin. Because I've had this account since 2000 and have been posting under it since 2001.
Anyways, I had too good of a Halloween and just took my younger brother to see "Where The Wild Things Are", so I'm in too good of a mood to even bother insulting Jizzatronik2000000000 and Retard_Rape. They've been taking care of that themselves anyways.
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I think Avatar is going to be pretty badass.
It's James Cameron doing sci fi for god sake!
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It was important to show how Frodo had been permanently damaged by The Ring and had to go to Valinor to live out the rest of his days - it was a metaphor for death and passing over. I wonder how many people who had not read the books got that, though - its quite an obscure concept to try and communicate if you don't know your Middle Earth lore. Perhaps PJ should have ended it with the Hobbits being praised at Minas Tirith in the theatrical version, and only added the additional stuff for the extended dvd?
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All of them were well done, and emotionally great. I was pretty drained after ROTK. Everyone in the audience looked really drained after that movie.
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Biggest pop culture phenomenon in movies since Star Wars - wait and see.
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Something like that.
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You fucking douche. I bet you're a Dr. Horrible fan, right? That overrated piece of fucking shit.
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Ominous - You actually addressed yourself coherently, though I do disagree. We can already see this isn't a game-changer. It's no different nor better than the CGI from first-generation CGI movies, in terms of making it look "real." Nothing in that trailer that's CG looks real. Want to know how I can prove it? Walk me through the trailer over my shoulder and I'll point to every single thing that's CGI and say "CGI." The human eye is a massive bullshit detector (and so are kids' whole nervous system bullshit detectors). And there is nothing that causes a kid (the hoped-for gamechanging viewers) to drop out mentally from a movie THAN the massive detection of bullshit.As for LORD OF THE RINGS, I hated their fight scenes. For one, the choreography was heinously ugly to me in those movies, full of wobbly walking and awkward angles. The nadir came early for me, when a cloaked figure on roller skates wanders away from a fire with a flaming torch sticking out of the top of his "head" and the way he's walking and the way the top of his head is bobbing from left to right makes it horribly obvious that it's a short guy in a frame that simulates an upper body like those cheap-ass Halloween costumes of the Headless Horseman where there's a giant torso above the kid's head. Simply stunning that so many sci-fi/fantasy fans forgive so much cheap crap in those movies that looks phony and insincere. I don't get the Tolkien love and never will. It's a movie about walking. And that's all it's about. Endless shots of walking. Oh, and kinda homoerotic emoting and yelling. I mean, seriously, given how homophobic most fanboys are, I'm shocked that LORD OF THE RINGS gets a pass with its endless talk of "I love you, Frodo!" "I love you, Sam!" "We must go to the place where the Towers stand tall!" "Join with me, and will will chop wood and taste man flesh!"
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Nov 01, 2009 5:08:07 PM CST
Uh, oh - Heard three "This looks like a cartoon"
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Comments and some laughing when the trailer aired on TV. I am still there though.
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The point was, early-on, the talk from Cameron and Company and the Fanboy Apologists was that this movie was going to CHANGE THE FACE OF CINEMA FOREVER. Nothing was like what these people had seen, MAN! IT WAS LIKE NOTHING ON EARTH! THE ACTION WAS MIND-BLOWING (no, it's kinda weak sauce with no real action to speak of and looks like the fights you get in an average episode of G.I. JOE the cartoon on tv). THE CGI IS SO PHOTO-REALISTIC YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT'S REAL AND WHAT'S COMPUTER GENERATED! (No, it's kinda like DELGO). THE WORLD OF PANDORA IS INSTANTLY BELIEVABLE AND UNLIKE ANYTHING EVER SEEN ON SCREEN BEFORE! (No, it's kinda just like every opening sequence of every HALO game - and agaion, is kinda like DELGO). IN SHORT IT IS THE GREATEST PIECE OF CINEMA EVER! CAMERON IS BACK! CAMERON IS BACK, BITCHES! (No, it's JAMES CAMERON'S GAYLIENS/NA'AVI IN THE WATER/LAZER CATS).And NO, no FAIL in the descriptions I gave. Do you see any carnage in the mow-down shot? Not really, no. It's cartoony, like I said in the original post. It's bloodless. It's tamed. It has had its balls kicked off. It's PG-13 -crap- and everyone knows it, every single simpering fanboy Cameron fan on here can TELL how positively shitty this movie looks. Did you know HOT TOPIC briefly sold AVATAR t-shirts for AVATAR day? Guess what? THEY PULLED THEM! You know that HOT TOPIC still sells RUGRATS and DANNY PHANTOM stuff, right? But the shirts for AVATAR -in advance of the movie even coming out- HAVE BEEN PULLED. It's not as if HOT TOPIC is a harbinger, but it indicates the GLOBAL LACK OF INTEREST this movie has "generated." Near empty theaters at AVATAR Day. PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WANT TO SEE IT ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST AIRBENDER MOVIE! Holy shit, Turd, how stupid do you have to be not to be able to read the signs on the wall? Nobody likes this movie, already. It's coming out soon and the "buzz" on it is about ZERO in the general public. They aren't even bothering to run segments on news entertainments shows and the release IS NIGH! No interviews with people making it, no studio push, nothing but internet buzz a la SNAKES ON A PLANE. And we all know how well that did. FUCK YOU, is basically what I'm trying to say here, in case you don't get it. FUCK THE -LIVING HELL- out of you! You think AVATAR is going to be a hit? You think James Cameron brought the goods with eco-cats in space? You think "This is great!" with a dim smile is a better tag line than "EAT THIS! *KABLAM!*" or "I only need to know one thing - where they are" pales next to "Just try not to think - shouldn't be too hard for you" that's great, you fucking microcelaphic head-first asshole-seeking bullet? That's great. Pick your nose and smear it on a piece of black construction paper and you'll have a more realistic image than anything you'll see in AVATAR. FUCK YOU, seriously, until you CANNOT BE FURTHER FUCKED.
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Even the battle scenes lose their shock factor after repeat viewing, which leaves a bunch of annoying as shit characters who.
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That's called the natural human brain working. It's something Cameron apologists don't want to admit.
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I propose we begin posting videos of ameteur works that look better and more realistic and more interesting than AVATAR. I'll start:
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... so that when AVATAR comes out we can all use this thread to LAUGH OUR ASSES OFF at the dumbasses who think AVATAR will be better than home made fan videos.
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make my head spin
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moving on yeah Kobe's right there. The average person sees these trailers in theatres and immediately start laughing and calling it cartoon shit. But then again they splooged their pants over Transformers so I don't give a shit about the average movie-goer. I'm just hoping this film makes good money and entertains me. Because then we can have more from James Cameron. If this fails, then fucking James Cameron doesn't get a second chance. And well...we're stuck with Bay.
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wow I'm sorry Cameron hyped up his own movie. It's not like he shit in your cereal or anything.
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I'd be wishing for the success of this movie, too, if James had painted it as a personal vision flick about ideas and concepts he considers important, and that he had been working on new skin and texture mapping for CGI to increase its realism. I'd be all up on his side for that one. I'd be singing the praises of AVATAR and encouraging people to see it. But when he says DUDE, MY FUCK-EN' MOVIE IS MORE AWESOME AND IMPRESSIVE THAN THE REAL-LIFE MOON LANDING AND TOOK MORE WORK TO ACCOMPLISH, he can eat my balls.
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EVERYBODY (apart from a few nuts on this site, your good self being one of them) is coming around to Avatar - as I predicted months ago. Your arguments are deluded, opium-fuelled demented ramblings, devoid of reason, contradictory and incoherent - which goes for a lot of comments I've seen you make on this site, not just on the subject of Avatar. Which is why I just cannot engage you seriously. You expected to see Inglourious Basterds level violence from this show? Moron. I've said it will be PG-13 from the start - but it WILL feature guns, kills and violence - as has been proven. Empty theaters on Avatar Day? - I was in a PACKED IMAX theater to see the footage myself. No promotional footage and interviews? There's already been quite a bit, and the marketing is ramping up to be a deluge in the coming month. Avatar = game changing masterpiece. Photo real CGI - fully apparent in big screen 3D, yet even apparent from the trailers where I guarantee you would not get a clean sweep of what is CGI and what isn't - not even close. I agree - let's save this thread until the release and you will SEE that I speak the TRUTH. You will look like the Holy Fool you already are after the movie's release, when this thing gets raves and goes through the roof box office wise. Cameron is going to be on Lucas like guru levels after this one(70's and 80's Lucas that is). Avatar already has a feverish buzz. So let's tie our masts to the wind - I'm willing to put my ass on the line for King Jim and country - are you, brother?!?
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Nov 01, 2009 6:00:14 PM CST
MORE AWESOME AND IMPRESSIVE THAN THE REAL-LIFE MOON LANDING
by turdontherun
AND TOOK MORE WORK TO ACCOMPLISHCameron deliberately undermines the achievements of US military/industrail complex = liberal conspiracy!!FALSE BILL OF GOODS SOLD - Cameron is NOT the next Neil Armstrong and will not fluff his lines with such stylish panache!! GUILTY AS CHARGED
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Aliens> Flash Gordon> Sword&theSorceror> Evil Dead 2> Transformers> There Will Be Blood> Children of Men> The Mummy> Bad Boys 2> Hostel> White Chicks> Saving Private Ryan > Thin Red Line> Alone in the Dark> The Mummy 2> Avatard> Phantom Menace> Armageddon> Magnolia
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THAT was one overrated movie.
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Go fuck your mother.
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You are complete shit that buys into Top Ten Favorites of the Year Lists. Asshole tool.
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Nov 01, 2009 6:53:46 PM CST
lockesbrokenleg - In the words of Bullet Tooth Tony...
by mr. nice gaius
"You silly fuck."Now, do please fuck off. Find a girlfriend...or a hobby...a piece of wood to whittle...or a very busy lane of traffic to play in. Your presence on AICN is beyond tiresome.
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fart.
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Nothing but malodorous, hot air.BTW - "the" is spelled with an "e", fuckface.
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Mr Horrible? what the fuck is that-your latest blow-up Doll's pet name? You and Mammaries should get together and go on an Anthrax raid w/ all the local Portuguese Goats he's met on facebook. You can even teach'em how daddy showed you how to deep throat back in grade school.
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He just hits F5 over and over while peppering this site with completely asinine and useless "Tweets".
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http://chud.com/articles/articles/20553/1/IS-THE-AVATAR-FOOTAGE-PLAYING-TO-HALF-EMPTY-THEATERS/Page1.html
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Mast to the wind, you say? OK - you heard it here, first. I predict AVATAR will be regarded as ISHTAR 2009, the biggest financial disaster in the HISTORY OF CINEMA. How's that for bigger-than-the-moon-landing? I am laying it all down right here - AVATAR WILL PLAY TO HALF-FULL THEATERS ON OPENING WEEKEND! People are not going to go. Heck, most Americans don't even know what the word 'avatar' means. Ask some at the mall. See the answers you get. "Is that a new Monster Truck?"
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Ok, for starters, the big blue people are CGI, as are the flying Delgo birds and the magical fairies and the saber-toothed turtle-thing.
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Top box-office analysts are predicting AT MOST with the rosiest reviews an opening weekend of $75m for AVATAR followed by a steep decline. So ... hmmmmm, $240m? $75m? Hmmmmm ...
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... if a Na'Avi were real, I'd so hit that ass.
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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLANET!
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Biggest problem with the film is what is supposedly the most "magical" thing about it - every single scene is a damn unbroken tracking shot. I like steadycam shots and I like when they're used to draw people in. but doing it over and over and over just gets tiresome. Curon did it better in Prisoner of Azkaban because he only busted it out once in awhile. To me, a tracking shot is like a guitar solos. Guitar solos rule. But if you had a 80 minute CD of JUST a guitar solo, it'll degenerate into noise and hard to pick out the good stuff. Same thing with Children of Men. Yes, the tracking shot does put you on the journey with them and yadda yadda yadda, but it has a bitch of an effect on the movie's pacing (for God's sake, how long are they walking up that fucking building? 20 minutes going up stairs?! Jesus Christ!) and it starts to blur together and I wish he had just put the camera down and let people talk fer crissakes. I think a really good single tracking shot is in Kill Bill Vol. 1 in the house of the blue leaves where it pans over the whole club. It's a nice move that draws you in, and there's only one of them. You can only wow people so much until it becomes tiresome. But, aside from ALL that tirade, I do like Children of Men quite a lot. It's just not this amazing thing of amazing people paint it as.
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Nov 01, 2009 8:25:04 PM CST
i saw a rough cut of avatar. here is my review
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
it sucks
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it sucks. but, not as bad as avatar
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A reader over on Io9 recently brought up some striking similarities between James Cameron’s upcoming Avatar and a 1957 short story called Call Me Joe, written by Poul Anderson and included in The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume Two.
Like Avatar, Call Me Joe centers on a paraplegic — Ed Anglesey — who telepathically connects with an artificially created life form in order to explore a harsh planet (in this case, Jupiter). Anglesey, like Avatar’s Jake Sully, revels in the freedom and strength of his artificial created body, battles predators on the surface of Jupiter, and gradually goes native as he spends more time connected to his artificial body.
Should the similarities between Avatar and Call Me Joe cause problems for Cameron, it wouldn’t be the first time. After The Terminator came out, writer Harlan Ellison sued the production company for plagiarizing two episodes he wrote for The Outer Limits. Even though Cameron took Ellison’s ideas in a very different and novel direction, the company settled with Ellison, who is now acknowledged in the film’s credits.
Call me Joe sounds pretty similar to the Avatar plot, and if the cover art means anything, in both the aliens are blue cat people (though in Call Me Joe’s case they’re way-more-awesome centaurs). Poul Anderson also wrote a 1978 novel called The Avatar, which says… uh… something. But even if Cameron did steal it, at least give him credit for finding something people had forgotten while everyone else in Hollywood is busy ripping off 300 and Shaun of the Dead. And for being able to read. -
and avatar. wow. cameron is such a perfect director huh? george lucas has more self respect than cameron.
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the animation of jar jar binks is better than the animation on the navi. he also looks way more realistic than the navi. like in the scenes where he interacts with the jedi. avatar looks more like roger rabbit. where the animated part are supposed to look like a cartoon.
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No bias there then.F A I L (again)I know what I saw with my own two eyes, and what I heard from other reliable and impartial sources. I bet you're the type of fella that believes in the NWO and illuminati, too, am I right? If it's printed (or on FOX news!), it MUST be true!
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looks better than avatar. the animation of the characters is the D&D cartoon are way more expressive and realistic looking than the navi. also. no one has commented on how the glowing dots on the navis face looks stupid as fuck. like a disco dancer from the 1970's. navi disco party! in fact i think i saw a navi wearing leg warmers in one scene.
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http://www.whale.to/b/cameron5.html
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I hereby declare that Avatar will be the first movie to break $700 million domestic, supplanting Titanic as the No. 1 box office hit of all time (non-inflation adjusted). Worldwide, it will be no.2 after Titanic, grossing over $1 billion and surpassing ROTK (the current no.2).And no, Avatar will have a large opening weekend, but not the year's biggest - after all, it isn't an established property so the masses will take some time to warm up. But - like Titanic - this thing will have major legs. Don't try to weasle out by talking about opening weekends and half full theaters (which cannot be proven) -final gross tally is what matters here. Avatar - box office champion of the century, and better than the moon landings (FACT)!!!!!
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What we saw at the 'Avatar Day' preview
What we saw at the \'\Avatar\ Day\' preview
The footage presented on "Avatar Day" Friday turned out to be the same scenes we reviewed at San Diego Comic-Con, with the small additional benefit that we were able to review scenes from James Cameron's upcoming sci-fi epic on actual 3-D IMAX screens, and the effect was demonstrably better. (For a description of the footage, check out our Comic-Con report here.)
The military briefing scene allowed viewers to perceive the depth of the hall all the way back through each row of grunts. The live-action 3-D footage provided a grounding for the subsequent scenes on Pandora: Stephen Lang's military commander intones, "You are not in Kansas anymore, you are on Pandora," which foreshadows the images to come.
What we saw at the \'\Avatar\ Day\' preview
Sam Worthington
Once Jake (Sam Worthington) enters his blue-skinned avatar, the size differential really stands out. Just sitting down, Na'vi Jake is bigger than the doctors examining him in their hazmat suits. His big blue feet fill the IMAX frame. Once he stands, he towers over the puny humans.
The battle scenes in the jungle showcase Cameron's flair for action. A spiky-whiskered beast weaves through the trees to pursue Jake and chews away at the branches shielding Jake from its teeth.
As in the Comic-Con footage, we see Neytiri (Zoe Saldana) put down a wounded animal, but we get a better sense of her physical presence as she hisses her way through battle and perches like an animal.
The IMAX footage also highlighted the bioluminescence that Cameron loves to talk about: Purple and green neon plants light up the screen.
In the banshee sequence, we see the Na'vi clans wrestle their animals, and the flight scene recalled IMAX documentaries in which the camera flies over cliffs, imparting a real sense of vertigo.
As for the avatars and Na'vi themselves, I thought only Sigourney Weaver's face came through in her computer-generated blue, elongated form. Worthington and Saldana were unrecognizable to me. But I found myself relating to the creatures: They're just different enough to be fascinating but familiarly humanoid.
I found some of Jake's dialogue disappointing. I would expect more than "That's what I'm talkin, about, bitch" from an epic hero. He talks about creatures "killing my ass" like a small-time street kid.
The scenes ended with a montage of shots, as in the teaser trailer: the AMP mecha suits, military guns and hover copters, all of which hint at the action to come. A quick shot revealed Neytiri crying over a Na'vi body, so something bad happens to someone she cares about. The montage faded out just as Jake and Neytiri inch close to kiss.
Cameron appeared in a brief 3-D introduction to the footage, acknowledging that fans have been waiting for a trailer. He promised the limited "Avatar Day" run would be better than the trailer, which debuted on the Web to mixed reviews, and also that all the scenes were from the first half of the movie so as not to spoil anything.
In sum, we thought the IMAX 3-D footage better showcased what Cameron's trying to achieve with his groundbreaking movie than the small 2-D trailers seen so far. It remains to be seen whether the film's story will live up to its hype.
In other news, the AMC Burbank 16 put tickets to the 12:01 show of Avatar on Dec. 17 (Thursday night before opening day) on sale for five hours only. After Friday, the first showing was locked for sales until later.
Also noteworthy, the entire three front rows of the theater were empty except for a pair of viewers who preferred to sit close. There were also plenty of other empty seats throughout the theater, suggesting that reports of sold-out showings were exaggerated. -
gungans vs trade federation
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i'll top that! ill say that avatar will make 700 BILLION dollars in just its opening weekend!!!
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What a spentcum stain you are. I mentioned Call Me Joe months ago,as one source of inspiration for Avatar among many, but a direct rip-off it is not. One shitty film blog gets hold of it, though, and the fanboy haters and goons swarm like flies to shit, never having read or heard of the thing before, and ignorant of and unconcerned with the facts (same with Delgo), only eager to tear something down. It proves that most fanboys are borderline illiterate and uneducated, utterly ignorant of science fiction history, literature, cinema, or anything which requires education and knowledge. Also, this made me laugh - "in both the aliens are blue cat people (though in Call Me Joe’s case they’re way-more-awesome centaurs)."Er, so they're NOT cat people in Call Me Joe, then? Wow, way more awesome!Uneducated, juvenile, puerile, and simply The Great Unwashed.
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I don't know, around 200 sounds about right to me, which wouldn't be a total disaster. Children of Men is one of my all time favorites, though I'm into a lot of dark stuff so I'm biased. Maybe that's why I hate Avatar so much, because the Disneyesque Navi with their Disco Barbie face sparkles and friendship bracelets are fucking fruity.
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it is being marketed as "from the director of titanic". that means it is being marketed primarily to 13 year old girls and 50 year old house wives. this movie looks like it has a production style similar to the home shopping network.
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i know everything about science fiction. horror. drama. comedy. animation. fantasy. and dungeons & dragons
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To quoth Hudson in Aliens - "Haven't you been keeping up on current event's pal?!"It's well known that CHUD - and specifically Devin Faraci - have had it in for Avatar from the start and are heavily biased - constructing skewed and negative stories to try to tear it down. Faraci has been BLACKBALLED by Fox, and is carrying out a personal vendetta against the company and Cameron. FACT - and that was something I already knew, not simply getting info from posts on this TB.As for the Avatar Day footage. I SAW it MYSELF. Did you? No - I didn't think so.Irrelevant attempted derailing of the main argument - Avatar will be a £700 million+ SMASH.
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of all genres
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Nov 01, 2009 9:04:43 PM CST
"production style similar to the home shopping network."
by spazatronik2000
lol. can't back you on that one dude. Although I don't like the design of the navi and the other stuff has a distinct Halo/videogame vibe, the visuals overall still looks absolutely fantastic.
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just based on what I'm seeing but i could be wrong. I think it just looks incredibly fucking weird in every way possible including the cast.
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just trying it on for size. fits well, dont you think?
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maybe after taking 5 hits off your crack pipe and shooting up a speedball maybe I'll agree with that number... naaaaaa
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http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/11/46/48/09/210.jpg
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With every new revelation of info, the tide has slowly been turning in its favor. The teaser got a mixed reaction, but those that saw the Avatar Day footage knew the truth and were very impressed. Then this new trailer comes out and all but a few idiots have changed their minds from scepticism to looking forward to the thing. But the film itself will surpass all expectations. This thing will be BIG - these fools have no real idea just how big. And anyone who doubts is simply an ostrich hiding their head in the sand.I am nailing my colors to the wind because unlike the rest of you hater pussies I know that's exactly what's going to happen. I am prepared to eat humble pie if I am wrong, but the mindless drone haters will simply crawl under their rocks once they are shown up to be the spineless cunts they really are.Place your bets, motherfuckers!!!
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Nov 01, 2009 9:18:03 PM CST
but the scene where they fly through the floating islands
by spazatronik2000
looks fucking weak. ooooooh floating rocks, exactly like the ones in Nagrand and the Netherstorm in WoW, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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you're an idiot
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and will bomb. or it will be received in a mediocre way. it probably will never break even, due to its gigantic budget. the only way it will break even is after 5 or 10 years on the home video rental market, when the movie is discovered by 2 year olds who are bored with the teletubbies.
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I'll take that as a compliment.
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better animation. better writing/story. better acting. i truly believe this. i am not joking.
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is being done by tangerine dream?
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The floating rocks are from Cameron's original scriptment, written back in 94/95. But the haters don't want to hear that, nay couldn't care less about hearing that. And Cameron was STILL not the first to feature the broad sci-fi concept of floating rocks. Like I said - paucity of knowledge. Rage on, dickheads.
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is that whats will make this movie good? if you are so versed is scifi, turd then when was the first time they were used? see, the point is that floating mountains or rock has been done. many, many times before. very unoriginal. i thought all you avatar lovers were more obsessed with the old style wheelchair that the main character uses. that is a horrible fuck up that george lucas would have never made.
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Nov 01, 2009 9:43:22 PM CST
everything in the trailer has already been seen
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
in the star wars prequel trilogy
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arguing with nerdrage a.k.a Devin Farci? Dont waste your time dude, he has an unhealthy obsession with this film, and he will just keep repeating himself from now untill he drops dead apparantly no matter how sick we all get of his juvenile boring posts....
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Nov 01, 2009 9:46:26 PM CST
anyone who says that they would fuck a navi
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
ia a sick, demented, twisted freak
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logic and actual fact to point out how pathetic the Delgo thing is. If they are that stupid that they dont know Avatar was written in 95, then they are obviously stupid enough to think Cameron must have a time machine that allowed him to travel to the future and steal from Delgo and the travel back to 95 to write the script.
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i gotta spice it up with my alternate opinion. unlike some here, i dont want to suck jim camerons cock
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how much Roddenberry ripped off Forbidden Planet with Trek, or how much Lucas ripped off Hidden Fortress with Star Wars, not to mention Dune and too many other things to even mention....
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a scriptment is not a script. a scriptment is a paragraph long synopsis. bullshit.
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battle taking place in any of the Star Wars prequals with a huge gunship in the atmosphere of a planet, I also dont remember any mech armour, or aliens that can biologically link themselves to a vareity of alien creatures. Or 10 foot tall aliens that have the speed and agility of a cheetah doing battle with mech armour. And in which Star Wars movie was there a planet with bioluminesence at night? Come to think of it, I also dont remember the use of realistic space travel (last time i checked they has faster than light space travel in Star Wars), or any realistic economics as to how anything is funded.....Fuck me I better go watch the prequals again becuase apparantly there is a ton of shit I missed!
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directed by FX artist John Buechler. So, let's leave Nerd_Rage_Retard to ponder why that's his/her favourite movie and get back to something remotely interestingHave you ever read the published 'scriptment' for "Strange Days"? It works well on the page. Or have you read the "Aliens" scriptment that's around 45 pages?
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And all you do is attack people for I don't know. But, fuck, your bully routine gets old after about 1 post. Go back to 1999.
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you must not have seen the prequel trilogy at all, because everything you listed is in those movies. you should know what your talking about, before you talk.
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He's so fanboy he makes fanboy look good.
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Nov 01, 2009 10:01:10 PM CST
blakindigo's favorite movie is the crying game
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
...i wonder why?
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Please, just stop posting. Stop. You're an ass. Just shut the fuck up.
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cant handle actual fact because it shows his claims to be the crap that they are..lol. Too fun! No, despite your ignorance on the subject, a scriptment is not a paragraph long synopsis (I cant believe I actually have to explain this) its a shorter version of a script you halfwit. I have the AVatar scriptment, and I have had it since 1997 when I got it off the internet and read it. Its dated 1995, and it is common knowledge as the script was thought to never be made and was widely circulate don the internet. Its about 80 pages and highly detailed, a little more than a paragraph you moron, and due to that I have recognized almost everything I have seen in the trailers....
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What a douche!
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when I want to hear from someone with the crappiest taste on the aicn talkbacks the I will address you...mmkay dipshit?
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thing I see in the trailers dont you comprehend dickhead? I am sure there have been some changes, but it appears to be more in the details. Would you like me to email you the fucking thing? Gods sake I have to argue with halfwits here about something that is actual fact, Im just waiting for some of these idiots to tell me the earth does nt revolve around the sun, or the earth is really flat...
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Ok, you know I have been holding myself back from posting anything on this site, but truly we can all see that yes even though there are elements of other stories here, this most definitely is not generic in any fashion of the word. If there is a movie in which a human's thoughts are transferred into an Alien body so he can infiltrate their tribe and then realize that he was wrong and join forces with the tribe to fight a war with Robot Mechs, please fucking let me know, because none of that happened in the Last of Mohicans. Where are the Mechs fighting the Indians? There are no Mechs or Aliens in that movie, just a bunch of Crackers and Indians. : )
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they were called Gungans. Also, the glowing forest looks exactly like Zangarmarsh, also found in World of Warcraft. WoW also has it's own functioning economy. And Hunters are able to channel themselves and take control of their pets with the Eyes of the Beast ability. The outerspace themed Dranai race have blue skin, and the females look a lot like the female navi. The goblins have mechs. The pterrordactyles in Un'Goro crater look a lot like the creatures the navi fly on. Avatar is basically a rip off of WoW if you ask me.
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devin farci lock, he makes comic book guy on the Simpsons look good...
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global warming is a myth, a scam concocted my the international bank cartels to start up their carbon credit trading swindle.
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read both,and the Aliens one is very different from the finished film is nt it? And strange days does indeed read very well...
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on infowars.com
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Okay, so the Avatar action figures are at Target now...and they identify the special rock as "Unobtanium"...I like the name, but wasn't this mineral already invented in The Core? I guess some recycled ideas can work...but we will see. By the way, the figures are lame...not to scale of each other, but we can wait for the McFarlane versions I suppose.
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dude? Again the scriptment which is highly detailed and clearly describes all these things was written in 95. I dont think any of these things ripped each off at all, they are all just clearly influneced by the same things. The original sources of all these ideas are all way older than any remotely modern thing thing either of us could name. So nutjobs like Nerdrage and thuspake need to stop acting like this stuff is all created in a vacuum, and that any one source created it and was thus ripped off. Everything from Star Wars to Trek to any damn thing you can name is useing ideas/concepts etc...from numerous sources all much older.....
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http://tinyurl.com/yb6kh67 Honestly I can't tell the difference, their names even both end with "i"
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Refresh my memory, but you were complaining about Avatar, Star Trek, Transformers 2, every damn movie that came out this summer. Yet, you're still here.
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my point was kind of that a lot of these design choices aren't very original. WoW basically rips off every known cool thing in history and puts it in their game. Personally I was let down by the first trailer because I expected it to feel more alien and fantastical. Not strangely familiar.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
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You wanna see a kickass alien world that's weird as shit? Watch FANTASTIC PLANET aka LA PLAUNETE SAVAGE. CRAZY INSANITY!
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He's the Rush Limbaugh of AICN.
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I'm good man, how're you? Apparently, Cameron submitted the "Aliens" treatment in 3 days; he used part of his script called 'Mother' and combined it with "Aliens,"after discussions with Walter Hill and David Giler (The essential plot beats are still there, with the exception of Ripley's daughter still being alive and a few other bits). It's probably one of the best 'treatments' I've read. And, to think he wrote this AND 'Rambo: First Blood, part 2' at the same time! That's one hardworking dude.
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Locke, SAG has been a constant supporter of Avatar. He also, as Asimov has stated, said he enjoyed Star Trek despite some misgivings.
As far as stealing goes, all Sci-Fi is influenced by other Sci-Fi. From Wikipedia in regards to the creation of "Alien":
In writing the script, Dan O'Bannon drew inspiration from many previous works of science fiction and horror. He later stated that "I didn't steal Alien from anybody. I stole it from everybody!"
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No, that would be someone like Coughlins Laws or RowdyRoddyStriper (aka AnimalStructure). It's no surprise that you don't even know your politics let alone what constitutes the reasons behind my singular attacks on you.And I couldn't help but notice that since my last post, all you did was attack people in this thread. You're such a fucking hypocritical piece of shit that it's not even funny.
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BTW, did you see The Plan? I thought it was pretty good.
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You know, I was just re-reading BADCANDLEJACK's posts and he totally let it slip out of the bag that he is actually G@BRIEL GR@Y. And unless I miss my guess, I think he was trying to hack Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength's computer while they were posting back and forth.Very interesting...
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You're idiotic, deranged, and in need of a box of tissues.No, I've not seen THE PLAN.
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Well, the only real cool scene was that Six actually met Cavil on Caprica before the attack. Cavil warned Caprica Six to get off the planet.
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not attacking either Star Wars or Trek (im a big fan of both) I was merely useing Roddenberry and Lucas's obvious influences as examples of the same kind of thing as what Cameron has done here. But the haters are so desperate for ammo they say when Cameron does it, its stealing despite what an insane double standard that is, because then everyone has stolen and should all be sued, if we are going to hold every director to the same set of standards. And where do you get me being only negative Lock? I have said how many times that I liked Trek (thanks for the back up Imagin78), D9, and Up. I just did nt like TF2 (though I had fun with the first one) and T4. I am generally optimistic about films, and I am always willing to give them a chance at least...
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its been a while since we spoke. What are your thoughts on the new trailer? I love it personally, and its made me quite excited for the film. I really love how clorful everything is, and the action scenes look amazing imho...
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script is really awsome, much better than the film Stallone ended up making imho. Sly just kept the action and some of the main ideas like sending Rambo back to Nam, but that horrible super cheesy end speech is all Stallone (I love the guy, but he is seriously lacking a cheesy detector)....
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Nov 01, 2009 11:47:32 PM CST
Mr. Nice Gaius, you are really stupid, you know?`
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
badcandlejack is southafricanguy. and the post about trying to hack my computer was complete bullshit. you are a fucking idiot if you thought that post was legitimate at all. g@briel g@y is a fucking douche bag loser and so are you.
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cool take on Spidey imho. Would love to get my hands on his Battle Angel Alita script....
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is so that young girls and children will like it. "see the bright shiny colors!? pretty!!"
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Hey jackass, movies are in color now.
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be responsible for exposing Devin Farci for the massive lying, sell out, hack, scumbag that he is.....
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or atleast anyone could have writen it. just because some terrent site claims that that scriptment is real does not make it so. that scripment reads like something that a 12 year old would write. lame ass cowboys and indians crap.
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Nov 01, 2009 11:54:30 PM CST
southafricanguy now i know you are an idiot
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
camerons idea for spiderman is straight up garbage. its fucking horrible and every one knows it.
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because it will further enrage Nerdrage/devin faraci and send him into even bigger fits of illogical and stupid rantings due to his obsession with this film, while if it isnt a hit, the rest of us can shrug our shoulders and just say "its only a movie"
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i dont give a fuck about devon farci. ive never been to chud.com. i am flattered that you think my writing is good enough for me to have my own web site though. you guys think that i am an internet celebrity! hahaha. maybe i should start my own site!
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when it was called World of Warcraft http://tinyurl.com/y8jd2k5
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and make perfect sense. you dont understand because you are dumb
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ple facts, its all you have, because that simple fact disproves so much of your crap lol...I have the scriptment you moron, and everything in there is in those trailers, so you keep trying to convince yourself, because you are nt convincing anybody else, that its not true....
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going to show up and start threatening me? sisnce you dont have the balls to threaten me with your own screen name.
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since it took ideas from, and even several scenes and lines of dialouge from Cameron's scriptment.....
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and the movie will be garbage because it will follow the scriptment so closely. i get it.
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were completely ignored, because they sucked.
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You're not funny enough for your own site.
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clue who he is, and Sorry, but infantile behaviour such as threatening someone on the internet is nt my thing. Im not in the same uber fanboy delusional ball park as you pal....
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from harlan ellison. ellison sued him and won. now ellison is in the credits for terminator. look it up.
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Nov 02, 2009 12:05:29 AM CST
southafricanguy, ive never threatened anyone
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
thats you job you sociopath. your just too much of a coward to do it with your main screen name
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ideas were nt ignored, again, his ideas, some scenes, and even some lines of dialouge were used. Is English your first language? You see to either have comprehension problems, or its obvoius you have not read any of these scriptments since its clear you dont know what the hell you are talking about....
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Nov 02, 2009 12:07:15 AM CST
hey, TheUmpireStrokesBach you a fucking moron
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
you have never said a funny thing in your life or on this talkback. you dont say anything interesting or worthwhile. fuck off and go to the twilight talkbacks where you belong. and you screen name is the dumbest that i have ever seen. zing!
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Nov 02, 2009 12:08:44 AM CST
southafricanguy, is english my second language?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
did you proofread your last post? fuck, this site is filled with total fucking morons.
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Nov 02, 2009 12:11:00 AM CST
avatar is a shitty saturday morning cartoon
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
lower quality than the dungeons and dragons cartoon from the 1980's. just kidding. its a little bit better than d&d. but not as good as captain planet or he-man
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threatend anyone, but I guess your grasp of reality is about as good as your grasp of fact and logic....
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I watched this movie Terrorstorm, it's pretty good! http://tinyurl.com/yevwyps. Woah, check this movie out, in it a "Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication" http://tinyurl.com/2paz2u
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Nerd_Rage_Retard was first in the queue, then kept going for more. It's learned behaviour; he never grew up past 1986. Southafricanguy, you're indulging someone who enjoyed 'Space Camp' more than any other living human, until 'Troll' was released. He deserves a testament for enduring such tragedies, but like a good performer he must keep the show going. Do you really want to encourage this delusion? Forcing this poor man-child re-enact his debilitating trauma?
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you were first in line when cruising was re-released. it became you favorite movie even over the crying game. also blakindigo, you are a troll. heh heh heh. troll.
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then how come it wasn't used? how come cameron wasn't asked to write or direct? ill tell you. because cameron is a hack
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lamest fucking ending of all time. of. all. time.
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because he has no original ideas
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Contact is #1
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"Troll (1986) + Nerd_Rage_Retard = "Ow, My BALLS!"
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crying game + cruising = "Ow, My BALLS!"
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Nov 02, 2009 12:49:46 AM CST
here is the thing about the ending of abyss
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
the fairies that show up at the end of the movie are, i think, representative of what the entire avatar movie will be like. that lame, saccharine, forced cheesiness.
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... hahahaha
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Hasta la vista, baby.
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Just sayin'...
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It's a circus!
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With all your dealings here with the blind haters and people who make shallow accusations of plagiarism from Cameron, maybe now you will understand me a little better, though in my case it's a reverse situation, where i'm the cirtical for Shit Trek. But the point is the same, how it feels to talk to brick walls who use idioticy as their weapon and will not budge to reason. Maybe now you understand.I'm skeptical and hopeful about Avatar. And this is where Avatar wins me over, that i do happen to be also hopeful despiste my skepticism, you know? I'm not completly sold, but i'm on board. And i'm hoping that Cameron's latest will work as a wake up call for the hack filmmakers but mostly the geeks as to how this big bluckbusters should look like, and that you do not need to dumb it down to make it fun and to have fun.
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My hope is that "Avatar" raises the bar. Which it definitely will in terms of it's technological achievements. My fear is that in a worst case scenario it can be like "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within"— an extraordinary tech exercise lacking a soul behind it's ambitions. But, I'm still hoping for the former…
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Since you are retarded, allow me to simplify the argument even more so that maybe you might understand:
The Beastmaster = a tasty but not very nutritious cheeseburger.
The Conversation = a 3-course meal at Spago's.
If you eat junk food every now and then in real life, then your argument is dead in the water, AssLives.
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yet, that got a free pass. Specifically, the Owl ship looked like store bought model flying across the screen, and the blue screen work was terrible.
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in fact he was aware of elison's work and beforehand he bought the rights to it just in case he sues. but it was totally original jackass. moron nerd rage shitheadfreak
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locke doesnt have a broken leg anymore moron.
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But we don't know if he'll come OFF the island without one.
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it was what it was. idiot. no hope for you lockeleg
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Accusations of plagiarism against Cameron aren't shallow...he actually DID settle with Ellison over Terminator (DioxholsterReturns, I HOPE you're joking...you're entitled to your opinion, but NOT your own set of facts). If it were wholly original, he would have at least put up a fight. Please see my earlier message for more details and a link.
And there's a giant, logical fallacy right smack in the middle of the trailer that proves he was heavily leaning on the Anderson "Call Me Joe" story...right as Sully's rolling down the ramp as he arrives on Pandora, he goes right by a man in a walking "mech" suit(!). Why the hell would someone *choose* to roll around by hand when artificial legs are plainly available?! Answer: Cameron was leaning so heavily on Anderson that he didn't even notice the paradox.
A full list of parallels (http://tinyurl.com/yhlzpg2):
1. Both main characters, Ed Anglesey (Call Me Joe) and Jake Sully (Avatar) are paraplegics
2. Both main characters connect telepathically to artificially created life forms in order to survive the alien planets
3. Anglesey & Sully revel in the freedom and power of their new bodies
4. Both artificial bodies are blue and cat-like
5. Both characters battle fierce predators on the alien worlds
6. The main characters both end up going native and spend more time connected to their artificial bodies
Mash those plot points up with DANCES WITH WOLVES, and presto! you have AVATAR. I loved both TERMINATORS and ALIENS, but man, does this guy need a reality check when it comes to respecting authorship... -
that means nothing at all. I've made no claims at being funny nor worthwhile, you have. Never been to a Twilight talkback either, are you in those spewing idiocy on a regular basis? If so I'll check it out and see if you EVER come up with anything clever to say.
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Nov 02, 2009 4:29:11 AM CST
BurnHollywood----- see wiki page for details idiot.
by dioxholsterreturns
as for AVATAR, i wouldve liked it if it werent so overhyped and didnt spend 3000 mil for lousy sfx
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Nov 02, 2009 4:37:56 AM CST
AVATAR is like having a threesome with two ugly chicks
by dioxholsterreturns
JC really fucked up this time. im glad im hooked on SGU or else i wouldve been pissed.
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You sir are another retard blindly believing everything you read. The similarities to Avatar and Call Me Joe are VERY few. Just because a similar concept was used does not mean it was ripped off. Your little plot parallels are laughable (and some wrong, BTW), and it's clear you haven't read Call Me Joe and are just reiterating shit that you've read online, because if you had, you'd know how different the stories really are. It's funny cause if you'd never read online about it you wouldn't have a goddamn clue, so stop playing it off like your personally offended, it's pathetic. The claims against Cameron for Terminator are also bullshit, and everyone knows it. The stories Cameron was inspired by have the smallest of similarities to Terminator. Why is it that Ellison didn't get credit on T2, when it's more or less a bigger budgeted version of Terminator? The studio wanted to settle and be done with it.
And either way, he is always very vocal about his influences, and has said many times that Avatar was a mix up of pretty much every sci-fi work he's ever read/saw. Most great artists blend their influences together, and it's no different for film directors. Plus, when you think about how many stories have actually been told, finding one that's completely original is pretty much impossible. Bottom line is that no matter how many movies have similarities to Avatar, it's never been done this way before, and Avatar offers more then enough fresh ideas to ensure that it's something we've never seen before. I mean shit with all the remakes and sequels out, you'd think for once people would enjoy having an original film coming out. But that's OK, keep on with your uneducated bitching, I'm sure that's just as fun. -
This movie looks fantastic! And even if it isn't, who cares?
Big Jim seldom fucks up. And this action bonanza called AVATAR is sure to blow the lid off. I and so many others who have seen the damage Jim can/will do to a silver screen, will be embracing this thing come December.
Oh, and for all these others around here who say it's crap. May I kindly recommend 'Home Alone' for you this christmas? Because that is where you surely will be. Alone. -
Maybe it's a language problem for you? To be hypocritical means to either say one thing and mean another, or to have different standards according to how they serve one the best.
You see, you simply cannot on the one hand say, quite unequivocally, that if one likes dumb movies from time to time that one is stupid, and then make exceptions for people you like (such as southafricanguy).
You either must accept that one doesn't necessarily have to be dumb to like dumb movies, or you must have the courage of your convictions and declare that southafricanguy is dumb.
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Here's an idea, instead of expending all your energy furiously typing away about a movie you hate, why don't get some sunlight, and I dont know maybe interact with some real people, maybe even some of the opposite sex? I know that's a big step, but trust me... not all of life has to be joyless. I mean how fucking pathetic do you have to be to spend all your time frantically trying to convince people your "above" a movie - a movie not even released yet - just to feel validated. You guys are so fucking lame it's not even funny, do you wonder why no one takes you seriously?
Here's a news flash, your opinions are the minority for a reason. People can see through your B.S, and your bias is so evident it makes it impossible to take your criticisms seriously. You can keep sitting here bitching all day and night (which you will), but your not changing anyones minds. It's a shame you got your hopes up when the sub-par teaser was released, but this trailer shattered any glory you felt pretty damn quickly.
The public has spoke; Avatar looks like a damn good time, and no matter how much it irks you, or how many times you claim different, this movie is gonna be HUGE. And without a doubt you'll be contributing your money as well, despite the anti-Avatar stance you take on now. And no matter how many times you state that Avatar isn't a game-changer, that doesnt make it true. There's a reason so many A-list directors have praised it and committed to using it's technology. The movie hasn't even been released yet, and it's already making an impact on the industry! Ohhh man I can't imagine how much that pisses you off. You've proved to everyone here that Avatar has clearly gotten under your skin, which means at the end of the day Cameron wins again.
So go ahead retort back with your typical bullshit, yeah I know, I'm an "idiot sheep with no taste who's blindly praising Cameron/Avatar blah blah blah insert personal insult, try to convince some more Avatar sucks". Yeah whatever, say what you will, but at the end of the day the majority of us have a kick-ass sci-fi movie to look forward to...while all you guys have is months of bitterness and online bitching. Gee...what fun that'll be! Then again, I guess I'd bitch too though if my ass was sore from constantly getting fucked it in by Cameron, time and time again, like you folks. -
at least it was original and funny in the right way. SGU forever!
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So you've seen AVATAR already??
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Are you just being an ass?
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SGU is utter shite man. And that's coming from someone who liked the original. It's Star Trek Voyager with muddier cinematography. Sorry.
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Because that part with the after-shave is about to happen!
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Where people think Transformers is better than The Thin Red Line, and Stargate is better than Avatar.
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from the talents who brought you Poltergeist: The Legacy, Highlander: The Series, Neon Rider, and PSI Factor: Chronicles of the Paranormal! Hahahaha!! Awesome!
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SGU is still starting and they got more in store for you that will blow your mind off.
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MASS HYSTERIA
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highland riders of the paranormal? more in store you say? awesome! can't wait for it to blow my mind!
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did you say it would blow my mind off? not just blow it, but blow it off? holy fuck that's even better! blow me off stargate neon, blow me off!
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Nov 02, 2009 6:02:03 AM CST
if you noticied true sci fi right now is about low budget stuff
by dioxholsterreturns
MOON, DISTRICT 9, SGU. with a low budget you can focus on the story more than just expensive visuals which just look like video games anyway unless they achieve the gritty lightning and color contrast seen in TF2. unfortunatly for AVATARDATION, JC Penny choose to go for the overly-saturated look to impress us with the "details". which just look cartoony lol. SGU BEST EVER!
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highland riders of the paranormal forever! blowing you off this fall! now with added gritty lighting and 35% extra colour contrast!
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ill tell you that, there will be a civil war, intriguing ethical dilemmas and the most exciting cliff-hanger ever seen on TV.
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see begbie in the gritty lighting he was always meant to be seen in!
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it be the most exciting cliff hanger ever filmed in gritty lighting with awesome colour contrast? come on diox we need to know man!
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in those scenes of ethical dilemma? will the be all contrasty and such? jesus man i need to know!
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it would have been great to use the cgi technology from Avatar,in order to make a movie version of this classic scifi book.
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i wont stop you from making a shithole of yourself so please argos-dreamshit continue
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oh god almighty please spoil it for me!
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than being spoiled about the contrasting dilemmas and ethical colour stuff? i need to know!
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Nov 02, 2009 6:17:13 AM CST
who thinks AVATAR will have pointless TOUR scenes ?
by dioxholsterreturns
haha, JC Penny will have half of the movie be a Tour of Pandora and then some pointless dragon or whatever chase just to show us some visuals for no reason. after seeing the movie you will be like ENOUGH OF PANDORA ALREADY!!!!!!
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Nov 02, 2009 6:20:15 AM CST
i heard the lighting on pandora
by argos_and_the_laminated_book_of_dreams
wasn't very contrasting. as for the colour? forget about it! wasn't there a stargate found on pandora? didn't it lead to some sort of civil war, moral dilemma, and the best cliff hanger even seen on tv? well, that's what i heard...
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to be as good looking as TRANSFORMERS 2 and SGU. instead right now it looks like a nice looking PIXAR movie.
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to sam and tells him with anger to go back,and her tail is lashing and twisting behind her exactly like a cat.so cute.
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Nov 02, 2009 6:25:38 AM CST
ya know i was just saying that
by argos_and_the_laminated_book_of_dreams
to some guys at the office this very morning. "Avatar needs some of that there high dynamic lighting to raise it above pixar levels", I said. "Like transformers and stargate neon?" they asked. "Yep just like that," I said.
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where are they?
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Kwisa, um, can I put my hand up and say I didn't much like THE THIN RED LINE. Meandering, pretentious and plodding.
Now, if you'd said PLATOON or APOCALYPSE NOW I would have wholeheartedly agreed...
On topic, i'm very much looking forward to AVATAR. Movies like this are gold dust for tb's cos they do polarize us and I have a feeling this one will be a contest without a winner. I think after its released the haters will still be able to make valid negative points (fake CGI lead characters, a hackneyed plot) and the fans will be able to make equally valid positive ones (huge ambition and spectacle, an unforgettable 'experience').
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Nov 02, 2009 6:33:43 AM CST
cowbells in high contrst though
by argos_and_the_laminated_book_of_dreams
diox demands it.
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anyone in the knowhow?
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you fat smelly fuck, I can smell you even from here you dirty cunt, fuck off and wash your bellend, but then again the cheese around your cock makes more sense than you, you fat, horrible, bearded, smelly, spotty stupid cunt. You are Devin, or one of his tiddlers, you say you don't know him, but you knew the correct spelling of the fat tumours name, you say you have been here for years? No you haven't you have been here since July so stop lying you little shit stabber now go have a joint and have a fuck, get a fleshlight if you have to, you fat sad cunt, go and get a life for fucks sake, I feel sorry for you whilst reading your posts, but now I've fed you enough for today Nerd, I'm of to amsterdam tommorow to get fucked, and fucked up, I'll send you summit whilst there to shut you the fuck up if you want, but you carry on postin you stupid inane sad sack of shit, I'll be back later to give you some more food, my little hairy fat smelly friend, ciao!!
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still glass people in the face in stargate neon diox? and more importantly does he do in in high dynamic lighting contrast?
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Stick with what you know.
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BSB, zing. I'm gonna steal that one!
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Nov 02, 2009 7:03:31 AM CST
BringingSexyBack--- so you have experience with dogs then
by dioxholsterreturns
youre the expert BringingSexyBack at doggstyle with dogs, not me.
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you guys dont care for it because you have prejudice for the franchise. thats your problem and you need to deal with it. get with the times, SGU is attracting almost 3 million viewers.
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it's all about the lighting and colour. not one of those viewers cares about the story. hell, they saw it already on voyager.
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be nice to each other. I'm a skeptic myself. Based on the trailer, I think it will be entertaining for about 1.5 hours and become real predictable and boring after that. I don’t think I’ll reach that critical point of excitement where a movie just completely wins you over (like Inglorious Basterds did for me). But of course I will see it. If I wasn’t interested, why would I be visiting AICN in the first place?
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Well, thanks for calling me "sir", fuckface. And as for "reiterating" something I heard or read elsewhere, isn't that all you're doing, ad nauseum, with your gleeful, girlish, childlike support of this movie you've yet to see more than a handful of minutes of? At this point, my opinion is actually more valid than yours, because I can at least itemize my doubts, where all you can put forth is how you'd suck Cameron's cock in a heartbeat before he's even shook it free of his chinos.
Maybe YOU need to get both some sunlight and a fucking girlfriend and quit shilling this movie like it's God's last gift to mankind. It'll come, make its chunk of change, and then I'll happily Torrent the fucking thing and see what you were moaning ecstatically about. In a few months, nobody will give any more of a shit about it than they did about STAR TREK, which was originally ranked up there with the second coming of Christ.
And the cycle of hype and profit the continue, regardless of your "contribution". Tool. -
This isn't just a normal flamewar. It's the last ten minutes of TRUE ROMANCE!
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Guess what? I'm smarter than you. And you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about or dealing with.Keep spamming, troll. Fry it up good!
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No way are the the same person. Devin may be a total asshole but he is also a very good writer. Nerd_Rage, on the other hand, not so much...
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there is a noticeable difference in the cgi,between the teaser and the trailer.read this article and watch the pictures and the video of the comparison:
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yea just shows they can still do a lot from now till Dec, you can tell in the theatrical trailer, especially some of the giant harvester and tree falling shots, which I think do still lack something, that work is still being done. and Mr. Nice Gaius I've not read much of his stuff but, don't forget hes at "retarded strength" when he comes here.
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Professional
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That's a possibility. Kind of like a Banner/Hulk thing.As for Faraci, he's actually a really good writer. Unfortunately, he tends to waste his talent on these bizarre pre-hate campaigns like he did during the build up to TDK and now AVATAR. But I'm convinced that he does this to stir up the online community as he appears to enjoy the attention and the traffic it brings to CHUD.
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spot on dude, I used to work with a guy who I bet is just like him, he used to love seeing the reactions to his hate, he would wait for the concencus then say the exact opposite just for the attention.
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with the sensibilities of slime mould. Fuck him.
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I do not mean the content, I mean the Green and Black color scheme. Just motarded. I refuse to look at that site until they change the color scheme. Very hard on the eyes.
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Maybe i'm naive about Cameron, but i suspect that in his care the plagiarism is not done in bad faith. Remember that Cameron, unlike many newer directors making SF, he has more baggage and know-how of Sf then merely Star Wars and any recent Sf movie. He is old enough to came from the time when SF fans not only watched movies and TV shows but READ SF. Cameron was an avid SF reader in his teens and early adulthood. Who in his generation until mine and who was a Sf reader ws not amazed and enthralled by the writings of Poul Anderson and the likes of the authors of the golden age of SF? I suspect that Cameron has impressed in his mind imagery from stories he read in his youth and might come up with stuff that he no longer remembers where it came from. The honesty is to admit the inspiration after it has been brought out and been proved.I read all the business about The Terminator's plagiarism court case from Harlan Ellison's in his book WATCHING. Funny thing, he didn't sue because he was pissed Cameron "stole" his idea, but because he, but most importantly Hemdale, refused to acknowledge the inspiration. Harlan Ellison didn't want money, but merely a end titles credit saying "inspired by an original story by Harlan Ellison" or words to such effect. Money didn't interested him, only acknowledge as what he saw as a callousness form filmmakers to refuse to acknowledge their inspirations. And then, he praised the hell out of the movie, because he really loved it.But if you want more fuel for the plagiarism accusation on Cameron, you can also name another 70s SF book called THE WORD FOR WORLD IS FOREST. In fact, whenever i read and see stuff about Avatar, above all else that's the book i think of. it was writen about ursula l. leGuinn and it tells the story of abusive Earthmen who explored a peaceful arborous planet and exploited it's native tree dwellers intelligent natives, and how they uprised and fought the invasors. The book, as you can guess, is an unsubtle criticism of the USA and western powers interventions in the 3rd World, like the Vietnam War. If you cna check that out, i can't say enough good things about the book.
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Nov 02, 2009 11:58:04 AM CST
but i suspect that in his care the plagiarism is not done in bad
by lost jarv
You fucking idiot. Plagiarism is by definition something done in bad faith.
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http://tinyurl.com/ybwdsno
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Thanks for the link bro.
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"Everything has been done already, our job is to do it better than anybody else has ever done it before."
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thanks, kwisatzhaderach…
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Lo siento mi amigo!Siento lo de los Gigantes! Es no suerte!
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It was nice of you to try to ease up the tormoil around here with the people's reactions for Avatar, anti and pro, and their feuds. Yes, Avatar is just a movie. But you know what Bushido says? It says: treat unimportant matters as if they are very important, and very important matters as if they are unimportant. I do understand the wisdom behind those words. and let's be frank here, what use for one to call oneself a movie geek if we don't take this seriously? if we don't take this seriously, then what are we? Movie geeks, certainly not. One would had to call oneself by something else. It's part of the game, it's part of the business.
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No worries, thanks for posting the vis fx comparison link.
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that quote could had been said by William Shakespeare too. His plays Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet and King lear were remakes of other playwriter's work. And Ol' Bill did them while the other plays were still playing! And imagine if he had felt pains of concience about writing plays which were stories already told by other's people's stories and decided not to wrote those 3 aforementioned plays? What a lost it would be! Ol' Bill, like Kubrick, he did the same thing, he retold already told stories, but he did it better then people had done before. How can one think bad of that?
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Nov 02, 2009 12:54:13 PM CST
Avatar needs more people apologizing for it.
by trannyformers_apologist
The true sign of a great movie.
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But... you drink "tequilla" because it's James Cameron's favorite drink. How could you be naïve?
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for AVATAR, please forgive it.
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but, nerd_rage_retard, Trannyformers and dioxholster_returns need to learn moderation.
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I wouldn't be too sure if many appologists is a real sign of a movie's greatness. Too many awful movies have had many stauch defenders. This year was a good example of that.
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Already had to suffer this idiot's opinions on his reviews for Total Film.
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Once drank, never forgotten. Next stop, mescal.
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Nov 02, 2009 1:26:59 PM CST
If anyone deserves the benifit of the doubt it's Cameron.
by coughlins laws
First of all, you can't judge what this looks like from your 13" computer monitor when it's meant to be seen on a 40 3D or IMAX Screen. Second of all, to all the people who keep saying it, which video games does this look like? I'm dying to know...
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First thing he does is to run to Spielberg and scream at him: "I want a 400 million dollars budget for Transformers 3, bitch! My movie has to be bigger then Cameron's!" That hack is nothing if he's not trying to upstage Cameron. What a git! The fucker wikll demand a huge budget so that his next shitfiest will be a whole CGI extravaganza with even more CGI stuff with more wild bullshit to compete with Avatar's scope. And he will fuck it all up because the CGI will be souless and the characters will be cyphers from begining to end, and even the Dumb Lovers will find it hard to find anything worth of defending.
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"If anyone deserves the benifit of the doubt it's Cameron"Right. And i'm quite suprised at the level of negativity against this movie and the hatred shown against Cameron found in here.I'm hardly this movie's biggest suporter, i can't help still feel a bit skeptical about it, and even then i find some of the negative attitudes toward the movie and against Cameron pretty suprising and unexpected. Was i that naive to assume that at least this place would be a haven for Cameron's fans?Hell, i see at AICN far more love and devotion for Jar Jar Abrams then Cameron. And that doesn't look right! Doesn't look right at all! It's just wrong! It's all turned upside down!
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...and he's already stated that he doesn't like 3-D and thinks it's a gimmick. So, no matter what contortions he puts ILM through, it still won't equate to the surround-experience that Cameron wants to impart on his viewers.
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none of these children have actually seen a Cameron film in a theater(aside from TITANIC most likely). My first was ALIENS and I still remember that night quite fondly, and am so thankful my parents took me in the first place.
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Nov 02, 2009 1:56:47 PM CST
"...far more love and devotion for Jar Jar Abrams then Cameron."
by mr. nice gaius
Methinks you exaggerate here. Yeah, just a bit.
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seems to betray a total lack of insight into his own turgid aesthetic. But hey, I don't expect anything less from that turd bird.
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seems to have ripped off another sci fi story. there was the same trouble with TERMINATOR and of course TITANIC was just a bad remake of A NIGHT TO REMEMBER
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I fear there's no exageration in that, my friend. But maybe after Avatar things will be set right. Here's to hoping.And Bay will cave in to where the money is, as long he can still have his big explosions, bad acting and bad CGI.
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I refuse to believe that even the average American retarded cunt TV viewer - the likes of which allow REAPER and BRIMSTONE to perish while asshole's swap their bitch whores - could possibly rate VOYAGER as anything like SGU
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all the time and Hollywood just sniggers and pretends to like him
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Friend, you know, err, the Titanic really exuisted and realy sunk. The movie Titanic doesn't necessarily has to be a remake of A Night To Remember, you know? Two movies of the same real life subject doesn't necessarily have to mean one is the remake of the other. Yes, i'm one of those who doesn't think that Titanic is a complete piece of shit. I'm a rarity here at AICN.
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I just watched the episode where the ship recharged itself in the star and next they are going to run out of water - but I want aliens dagnabitt - and not human looking ones either - plus some ATLANTIS movies too
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— he does hire amazing sound editors and colourists. I may not like his movies (an understatement) but, the sound editing on his movies and the colour correction is top notch.
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totally voyager.
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and then i had to kill my girlfriend who witnessed it.
joking aside,titanic is a great experience,no its not the best movie made ever,but its near there.
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My favorite stupid thing said by Michael Bay was when he was shooting Pearl Harbour and he shouted for "More war!". To this day that shit still makes me cry with laughter.
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means fuck all if the guy in charge can't bring it all together. They just end up polishing turds.
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chose to just attempt to remake A NIGHT TO REMEMBER including the original movies own fictional events - but I agree with you TITANIC isn't a "complete piece of shit" - it's a complete gigantic turd plus the fx are fair bad - then and now
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is that the general idea - so these blue guys get fuck just like the Red Man, am I right?
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Actualy, i fucking hate the sound editing and sound design in Bay's movies. It's all loud sound pretending to make shit look exciting when in fact it makes them fucking boring like hell. It's monotonous loud sounds which serves the story very little. Transformers' sound almost put me to sleep, how fucking monotonous and boring it was. I feel asleep during the attack sequence in Pearl Harbor.If you want to see two recent movies with the most amazing sound design, you should check out Master & Commander and The Proposition. The sound design in those two movies are nothing short of a small miracle.
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In what way exactly - because they're both movies about the fucking Titanic? An historical event that actually happened? Another idiot bites the dust...Hell, Gladiator must be a remake of Spartacus then, because they're both about the Roman Empire! Gadzooks!!!
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I don't have the negative opinion you have of Titanic. I think the movie is terribly underrated and terribly misunderstood by the geeks here. There's more to that bloated ship then just an anoying teen love story. However, saying that, i say that the movie which should had won the oscar that year was L.A. Confidential.
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those last two lines make make you pure class in my book
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No, man, Gladiator is a remake of The Fall Of The Roman empire because, like, both movies have emperor Marcus Aurelius being murdered. No, i agree with you, the acusation of Titanic being a remake of A Night To Remmeber is a bit off. The funny shit is, only Cameron's Titanic movie gets pissed upon, but not that TV movie made in the same year and aired before Cameron's movie. Funny that, hem?
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Thank you, you're too kind. I aim to please.
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Now even more alien.
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If you didn't cry at the end you have no soul.
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want a movie to fail?Surely it benefits all us movie-goers if Avatar succeeds. Because studios will be more willing to give original content a green light. Or is that incredibly naive of me?
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to your comments on MASTER AND COMMANDER and PROPOSITION. then you mentioned LA CONFIDENTIAL and now a tear runs down my cheek
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But that idiot is even more stupid than that, and obviously hasn't even seen A Night to Remember - ANTR features no fictional scenes, and is a pretty straightforward account of the Titanic's last days (nor would the broad dramatic conceit of inserting fictional interludes into historical events, which has been done many times before, make it a remake). Does the core story of ANTR revolve around a romance between a high society girl and a penniless passenge. No. Case closed. And when someone starts saying the FX in Titanic are fair or bad you know they're just taking the piss. But that's the thing about success. Everyone wants to take you down in the worst possibel way. that goes for the insipid backlash against Titanic, the clowns with their knives out for Avatar, and also for Cameron as a whole. I remember an apt quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was asked about people trying to take him down in his movie and political career - "You have to remember something. Jealousy is something you have to earn. No one bothers criticizing the unsuccessful man". Mediocrity is celebrated; quality work is often bashed, and often for reasons that have nothing to do with it not appealing to someone's particular tastes.
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Cameron took whole scenes from the the older movie that were completely fictitious and just copied them into his own - rewatch both movies and they are as plain as the nose on Pepe's face - nothing wrong with dramatizing or making conclusions about events that had no surviving witnesses but there is something wrong with not having the imagination to create your own - bite my dust why don't you
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What, you don't like L.A. Confiodential? Don't be sad, i love Master & Commander and The Proposition. Hell, i ADORE THE PROPOSITION. Saw it again the other weekend, and man, i love the movie evne more then i did, and i loved it a lot. We can still be friends.
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Nov 02, 2009 3:04:05 PM CST
TurdontheRun I'm right here. you can direct the comments to me.
by famouseccles
and A NIGHT TO REMEMBER does contain fictional scenes - just watch it
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I hear you. Me, i do my best to bash a movie and filmmaker that deserves it and I don't do it lighthearted. You should know! It's not sucess that pisses me off. Or else i would be bashing Christopher nolan day in day out. No, it's really bad filmmaking i really hate. And dumb. Nothing upsets and irritates me more then dumb. Dumb is the black hole that sucks the joie de vivre out of me. And i don't like that.
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And that' not what you originally claimed anyway. So you're saying he 'copied' historical testimonies that were the best guess, based on the available evidence, of what happened? That's called historical fidelity to events.The pont -and its already been labored enough - is that your claim that Titanic is a remake of ANTR doesn't stand up to a shred of evidence and can be easily countered. The end.
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LA CONFIDENTIAL = FUCKING AWESOME
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Nov 02, 2009 3:07:06 PM CST
There were still some alive witness of Titanic's sinking in 1998
by asimovlives
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historical testimonies that were the best guess, based on the available evidence, of what happened - you said it contained no fiction
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Nov 02, 2009 3:11:31 PM CST
And Titanic's sinking is one of the mostr well documented
by asimovlives
shipwrecks in history. Any two movies about it would hit many similiar points and events. Similiaritude os scenes from the same events would be bound to happen. The sinking is filled with so many impressive dramatic events that a filmmaker would be a fool to overlook them and not put in his Titanic movie. There's overlappings in two different Titanic movies? Doesn't suprised me at all.
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Nov 02, 2009 3:12:23 PM CST
did the Titanic survivors see everything that happened on board?
by famouseccles
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Nov 02, 2009 3:13:16 PM CST
I believe A NIGHT TO REMEMBER was just on TCM the other night.
by mr. nice gaius
I watched a bit of it; the portion of the ship getting ready to go under. I have to say, I was quite surprised at the number of moments/beats that Cameron seemingly lifted right out of that movie. I don't know if the scenes are based on actual testimonial fact, but the way they were shot and acted was almost exactly alike (i.e. the musicians who keep playing, Molly Brown wanting to go after survivors and being turned down, Mr. Andrews standing at the clock as the water rushes in, etc.).
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INTO THE STORM - bless the guy who created DVR
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Alright!! Anybody who likes LA Confidential is a friend of mine!Of course, your sympathy for me might die as soon you know what i think of Jar Jar Abrasm's Shit trek. Chances are you might have liked it. Me, i fucking detested it like nothing else released this year, even more then Terminator 4, and i fucking hated that shit.
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how about the scenes no one could have witnessed
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I don't blame the sound designers for the 'loudness'— that is of course, requested by their client. Compare say "Xmen-2" vs "Transformers". Both are the same designer but, look at the differences! Bryan Singer's movie has some incredible work in the beginning, while in Bay's work the sound is overwhelming and tends to pull you out of the movie a bit.I think David Lynch's movies have arguably the most innovative sound mixing in commercial film history as the late Alan Splet was a major innovator in the field.
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...I was rather surprised by just those few similarities.
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Constructing historical events based on evidence and eye-witness reports does not constitute 'fiction' in my book. No one will ever know the EXACT details of events that transpired down to the samllest minutiae. Too much subjectivity involved for that. However, an attempt at the most objective reading of events based on evidence and logic is not fiction, except perhaps in the broadest terms of the word, where something cannot be conclusively proven. I'm talking about OUTRIGHT fictional subplots (or core plots) and contrivances, such as the Jack and Rose one in Cameron's movie and their interactions with the historical personnel. That's a completely different thing.And most of the beats Cameron 'copied' were based on historical evidence -Andrews was spotted at the clock by other passengers for example. Ditto the musicians, etc.
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I don't want to sound like a Cameron groupie here, but i think that it's inevitable if you are making a movie about the sinking of the Titanic, you will put them there. The band playing until the sinking, and Molly Brown's stories are just too good to let them go untold. It's the real events stuff that's more fantastic then any fiction. And let's be frank here, the ancles to show the sinking at it's most dramatic effect are pretty limited. Directors would be bound to show a similiar angle to the event, for the sake of maximum dramatic impact. It's inevitable that the shots would look alike. In fact, Cameron did one thing which is not how events really happen, to escape from previous depictions of the sinking. Remember when the ship broke in two? In reality, the ship broke in two already underwater, after sinking. He did went for a different visual, even if for that he had to sacrifice reality quite a bit.
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Nov 02, 2009 3:24:32 PM CST
Everyone likes "L.A. Confidential," easily the best of '97
by blakindigo
Although, I still think you're too hard on "Star Trek." But, we're not going to go there again, right?
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fiction was required to tell the story - that okay.
Casmeron needed to do that too - that's also okay.
but Cameron copied moments that where created for the original and have no basis in fact FOR EXAMPLE the old couple who return to their cabin and lay down in each others arms - who witnessed that ? no one. -
...through various eyewitness reports and so forth. What I was surprised by was the way in which these moments/scenes were acted and shot. If you were to view A NIGHT TO REMEMBER, you may have a better understanding of the similarities I'm talking about.As for the ship sinking and breaking in two, even the survivor accounts are conflicting on whether she broke apart or not.
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do they have tell us everything that will happen in the movie??
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Wow! You mentioned David Lynch. Great! I'm happy you did it. You know, i do think that David Lynch is the best director with the use of sound in movies. All his movies have sound design that is 20 years ahead of any other movie made that year. 20 year at the very least. Only today movies dare to use the type of sophisticated sound that Lynch was already doing in Eraserhead. and that movie was released in 1977!! Lynch is the best there is about sound, no doubt about it.One of my own personal movies about sound design is THX 1138. That movie's sound desing puts the awe in me, even from the old version watched froma VHS tape.I'm reminded of one thing that the sound designer of Seven said in the audio comentary: when he tests the sound editing he does for movies, he doesn't play them in some very sophisticated 5.1 system, but he plays the movie on a small mono kitchen table TV. He reckons that if the sound works dramatically for a movie even from such a poor system, he has done his job. He says it's easy to make impressive sound with big sound systems, but to know if it really works, it will even in the most basic aparatus. And i think he's right. He's absolutly right. Seems he knows the difference between loud sound and good sound design. And me, i prefer the later over the former any day of the week.As for M. Bay misusing talented people, that's nothing new, Bay hired Mark Goldblatt, the editor of Terminator 2, for Armageddon, Pearl Harbor and Bad Boys 2. Should i say more about how differently the first movie's exquisite editing compares the shit job from the laters?
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The concept of the ship breaking in two above the water was indeed the best guess for what happend back at the time Cameron made the movie, based on new evidence and applied physics. The concept of the ship breaking apart below the water has only come to light in the past 10 years, based on more advanced analysis. New evidence is being uncovered all the time. No one will ever truly know; only 'best guess' theories can be constructed - and there is always dispute. ANTR, and all older accounts of the Titanic, don't depict the ship breaking apart at all - it goes down in one piece - as this was decades before Robert Ballard discovered the wreck, broken in half on the ocean floor, in 1985.
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well said.
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but I have yet to see Worthington do anything worthy of the attention he is getting lately - his performances are flatter than Kiera Kanightly's chest
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Excelent question. I have absolutly no idea what the anti-Avatar rant is based on. Apparently, some people really have it in agaisnt Cameron. But you know what? Cameron is the guy who when he finally got the chance to make his much desired remake of Solaris, he gave it for somebody else to direct, Steve Soderbergh. Why? Because Cameron though Soderbergh would serve the movie better then himself could. This is a guy who fought more then 10 years for the chance to make that movie. For that alone, Cameron deserves my respect and admiration. People who think that Cameron is just an explosathron loghead have it all wrong on him.
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Since the first trailer came out, they've made the ears on the Navi smaller and MUCH less stupid looking. They look much much better now in this trailer.
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Kiera Knightly's chest. I saw a picture of her advertising perfume or something and she's wearing braces (not on her teeth). Her tits are smaller than the width of the braces!Not that I'm complaining...
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it would have been better than Sodergegs turd ;).
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to making stuff like T2 and ABYSS. Fucker walked out on us, man. said he was going to make TITANIC and get a packet of cigerettes, but he never came home. fucker. now I'm crying again.
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Latest scientific reconstructions show that the Titanic did break in two, but it happened underwater, after submerged. The rear of the ship accumulated so much air bubbles that it was acting almost like a boy, while the rest of teh ship was compeltly filled with water. The pressurue of the water agaisnt the air bubbles made the reaar "try" to go up, to float. So, the stress acccumulated finally made the ship break in at one of it's stress points, and the rear broke free. It was the last thing to hit the sea bottom. also, because of the air accumulated, and due to the increeading sea pressure from the deep, it made a similiar effect to a bomb, and basted through the hull. The rear part of the Titanic is the one which shows the more destruction, because of that bomb effect from extreme compression of the air that had been captured.
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There's nothing more I can contribute to this madness. Carry on.
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knightly irritates the shit out of me. she ate crisps in bed last night. I hate that shit.
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by leaving it alone.
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Yes, we all know that now thanks to Bob Ballard and the further forensic study that has taken place since he discovered the wreck. And anyone can do a Wiki search or watch a Discovery Channel special to find the latest accumulated theories and so forth. I just find it interesting that the eyewitness accounts from the survivors are not unanimous on whether the ship was seen breaking in two. (Some described it very much like Cameron portrayed it while others did not.)
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Well, solaris is never indented as an action SF story at all. Not evne in the book (which i read evne befre watchign the russian movie based on it). And the american solaris is a great adapatation of the book. I really love that movie. SF as romantic drama. Why not? If you ask me, Sf has been a prisioner of action for too long. I wish back the days wehn they made SF movies which were not only about action, when half the SF movies made were about ideas. God, how i miss the 70s SF! I still can't believe a SF movie like Moon was allowed to be made in this days.
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funbags galore?
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Nice one, well spotted! The Goon Show!Eating crisps in bed... she still does that then?
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Yeah, the eyewitnessing discrepancies is an interesting subject in itself. If memory serves me, one eyewitness even claimed that he saw the bow of the Titanic lift above the water before the ship sinked, as if it had been broken in two BY THE MIDDLE! Strange, isn't it? One wonders if some survivors invented stuff just so they could had been in the limelight for a while.
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Hella nice guy. I went to one of his Titanic talks, and he was brilliant.
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only now it looks like ferngully crossed with a bad computer game made by someone who saw Aliens one too many times.
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Well, man, i have to disagree, i'm very happy that Soderbergh and Cameron's Solaris got made. I really like that movie. It's this atmospheric slow burn moody SF movies which i so happen to like and which are so very few of them made today, thanks to the preferences of the market today. Which is why i do long for the times like in the 70s which was far more favourable and friendly to that type of SF of ideas and mood, and not just he-men blasting aliens. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but today, it's only about that, he-men blasting aliens or other he-men, or dumb versions of TV classics. One has to waut half a decade for ONE cerebral SF movie to show up. The scales are too tilted to one side, there's no real ballance. Everything risks looking the same.
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That's the point I was getting at, and I believe Cameron talked about it in an interview at the time of the movie's release, also - it's all completely subjective. Titanic survivors, in the middle of such a frenzied and emotionally upsetting event, were not really the most reliable source. Impartial physical simulations are much more reliable judges of the mechanics of the sinking. But even taking the eye-witness accounts into question - some people may simply have been mistaken in what they saw, or what they saw was accurate based on what they could determine from where they were. But also, many people may have been biased - an officer for the White Star Line may have lied in his testimony to prevent further legal action - it wouldn't create a good impression to the layman regarding the ship's construction and workmanship if it was described as breaking in two due to pressure. The company could have been sued for shoddy workmanship (on top of the tragedy of the sinking).
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You love The Abyss too? We are going to be friends! Shall i quote from Casablaca, the famous final line?
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Cameron had been planning a remake of Solaris since the mid 80's. In fact, I believe he hired Syd Mead to do some conceptual designs. He also wanted Daniel Day Lewis to star.I didn't much like the Soderbergh version, though. And Jeremy Davies is one of the most annoying actors ever.
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looked great, but ultimately Soderbergh sucked the Sf out of the story.
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I fucking love The Abyss. Time for an anamorphic version on DVD/Blu, Jim. Please.
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or can we actually talk about movies again?
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Guys, I'm sorry that not everyone is lining up to drink Cameron's balls dry after seeing that but opinions differ.
Personally I think it looks fun but superficial. The CGI looks decent but nothing special, the script sounds ok, if light (and knowing JC movies it'll have countless logic and plot flaws which the story tries to hammer through too fast for you to notice)
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Have seen the latest trailer, and my opinion is unchanged. I will see this movie, despite the fact that the plot is lifted from Dances With Wolves and The Last Samurai. I will see it despite the fact that we were promised "photo-realistic" CGI and the giant smurfs still look fake to me. Why will I see it? It's James Cameron doing sci-fi. If anyone can take mediocre elements and make them into an epic kick ass movie, I think he can. Terminator kicked ass, T2 kicked ass, Aliens kicked ass. The Abyss didn't kick ass, but it was not a balls out action movie, it was a good, tense drama. Titanic was a good movie, I loved it when I first saw it, but after repeated viewings it kinda looses something for me. Still a good movie, but just not the same. I remain cautiously optimistic about this movie. I don't think it will suck as bad as a lot of people are saying, but I don't see it as the be all end all of movies either. I just want a good sci-fi action movie and I think Cameron can and will deliver.Oh and the best movie of 1997 was not Titanic, I agree with the others who say LA Confidential was, I just watched it again last week. That movie rocks in every sense of the word.
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the more impressive the CGI gets. On my PC monitor Avatar looks cartoonish; on a 32-inch LCD... well, it doesn't look like Ferngully.High hopes for this.
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http://tinyurl.com/y8jd2k5
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Right, where are my Abyss 20th Anniversary and True Lies 15th Anniversary DVDs to tie in with the release of Avatar? Huh? Jim?
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I love how simplistic and retro it looks. It works! Just like the simplistic, paint-by-numbers conspiracy rhetoric logic in his movies.
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new Arnie. fucker.
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will not be released until after Avatar. They are waiting for Cameron's approval for the new transfers. Unfortunately (or fortunately, since he cares) Cameron insists on going through any new transfers with a fine toothed comb to make sure they fully represent his vision, and he won't be able to do this until after Avatar. Unlike some other directors, he doesn't just come in and sign off on the work. T1 is getting Lowry restoration as well (them that did the SW OT box set).I hope for deleted scenes on True Lies disc - there were quite a few in the trailers and in the script. Also, commentaries for The Abyss, T1 and True Lies are a must.
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Titanic is my 3rd favorite Cameron movie behind Aliens, then T2. T1 is currently 4th. T2 was the first terminator I ever saw, and the effects and action were and still are incredible, so that will always be in higher regard for me. (Not to mention Cameron was at the top of his game by then)
True Lies is 5th, and Abyss is 6th, but in all honesty it's been a while since I've seen it start to finish, and I'm not sure I have seen the Abyss-Director's Cut, from what I've read around here it seems far superior to the theatrical version. So that could change up the rankings, who knows.
Titanic is underrated. Forget the romance, watch for the cinematography, the sound, the pace, the shot selection...all awesome. -
Nov 02, 2009 5:53:05 PM CST
AsimovLives - but wouldn't it have been better if they'd
by famouseccles
made a completely new movie?
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It would've been nice to have a shot of David Warner being ripped apart and incinerated, but just knowing he died brutally was satisfying enough.
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and torn him in half.
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Nov 02, 2009 5:57:45 PM CST
WHY DIDN'T ROSE HELP THE CHICK NEXT TO HER FROM FALLING?
by bringingsexyback
You jump I jump, remember, Rose? Jesus.
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Pussy has that effect on guys.
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*Mast crushes his skull*
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Nov 02, 2009 6:09:12 PM CST
DID YOU GUYS HAVE PICTURES OF HALF-NAKED LEO ON YOUR WALLS
by bringingsexyback
Like I did?
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DANCE!!
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BRING IT, CAMERON! I knew there was no way they were gonna leave it at that first, disappointing trailer. And did anyone see Boondock Saints 2 yet? Or do we all hate BDS now? If you saw it, let me know how it was...
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I looked on a movie tickets website and saw the running time as 2 hrs 40 min. Mind you, no "super official" time has been ruled yet.
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Hate it now. Will continue to do so in the forseeable future.
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All that's definitively known is that it will be 2 and a half hours plus. IMDB has a running time of 166 mins listed, but I don't know where the hell they got that from. That place is only a step above wikipedia in terms of reliability anyway - they've had other wildly incorrect run times listed there in the past. Personally, I am hoping for a very long movie - 3 hours or more.
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If so, how was the trailer viewing?
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for total eye destruction.
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... that this... this is OUR land!
Fucking great. I love the fact Cameron went for such epic drama. Can't wait to see the context of that line.
The landscapes look lush and clean in the full-length trailer, and the hints of battle I saw look brutal and all-out.
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Nov 02, 2009 8:03:27 PM CST
simplistic, paint-by-numbers conspiracy rhetoric logic in his mo
by spazatronik2000
lol. Actually, you're right. The government doesn't have to be very clever to fool you retards. Hitler said the bigger the lie the more people will believe it. It's easy, you create an imaginary enemy, and wallah! All you mouth-breathing, drooling simpletons rally around the flag and support a war against Iraq. Even though a cursory examination of the issue on the internet, at the time(the yellow cake lie was exposed before Bush even made his speech) would reveal a government plot for empire, oil, and a corporate feeding frenzy on public funds. No, it doesn't take much to fool you clowns. It is, like you said, paint-by-numbers. Problem(Bin Laden)+reaction(fear and anger over 9/11)=solution(the war machine churns on for $$$) Cui bono?
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civilized conversation going on here, with people actually agreeing to disagree and not make repeated personal attacks.....Am I actually in a aicn talkback? I guess its just a matter of time untill the nutjobs like Nerdrage appear to start repeating themselves 500 times and deny anything that is fact and disproves their pathetic dogmatic beliefs that they need to believe so desperatly...
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Don't say his name three times or he will awaken.
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No, it does not look like the second coming of Pulius Feistersnap, yes the CG could look a bit better, but DAMN this looks like a lot of fun to see at the movies. And that's all it is, a movie. Relax, breathe in, breathe out, go for a walk maybe.
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Between the trailer and the teaser, there seems to be changes to rendered CG - between the same scenes. I thought it was too late to change stuff like that this late in the game, so I assume Jim's still listening to some feedback, although you never know...!
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Doggy Style works with a tail - um, that's why it's called DOGGY style. Not every dog's tail is bobbed.
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Agreed.
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Nov 02, 2009 11:29:50 PM CST
I just came here to say that was easily trailer of the year....
by thewaqman
it just felt so well cut. And the music choice was spot on too. Loved it. Really made up for my mixed reactions on the first one.
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Nov 02, 2009 11:36:10 PM CST
UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by mainman2001
Seriously James Cameron is the fucking mack daddy of big budget Hollywood film making. He is so fucking good it's sometimes hard to comprehend. I've dubbed him the Stanley Kubrick of blockbuster movies because he knows exactly what we want to see and feel in a movie such as this. Also, his list of movies is completely unmatched. I mean, this man hasn't fucked up once. Not once!!! I love him and cant fucking wait to finally see a movie worth my time. THANK YOU JAMES CAMERON!!!
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...GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! "His not writing anything..." blah blah blah. Shut the fuck up. He might not be doing that but his creating one hell of an adventure movie.
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Nov 02, 2009 11:40:42 PM CST
Former FBI Translator: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until
by spazatronik2000
http://tinyurl.com/lwpwvz
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Nov 02, 2009 11:44:29 PM CST
do you know why this talk back has been #1
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
for the entire weekend? ME! ME, you motherfuckers! worship me!! love me!! you owe me your lives!!
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you are my favorite aicn conspiracy theorist
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Nov 02, 2009 11:48:24 PM CST
Southafricanguy, CIVILITY HAS NO PLACE HERE!!!FACT!!!
by thedestroyerofworlds
Yes, it’s me, CreepyThinMan, and YES, Knowles banned me for the third time in so many days. I don’t know why he bothers when it takes less than two minutes to create fake e-mail accounts and re-register sing IP proxies or anonymous surfing websites. He doesn’t mind me trashing his enemies like Don Murphy but, for some reason, takes offence at me suggesting that he’s a corpulent ginger faggot with a dog faced mongoloid for a wife. Anywho, I don’t want civilized discussion on these boards. Yeah, it’s fun when you can actually find someone who wants to talk about Cinematographers or the virtues of various aspect ratios, but this sites bread and butter are the EPIC flamewars that happen every few weeks and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
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of avatars profits. i am giving this movie more word of mouth that the tv advertisers. if i got a 50% cut of the profits i would make $100. cuz this movie is going to go down like your mom on a saturday night.
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i just wanted to phrase it in the most basic terms possible. because, you know, avatar fans are stupid
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in the same league is offensive. who ever makes that comparison has the most bottom of the barrel film taste. kubrick shits better movies than cameron. kubrick could spit on a window and it would have better framing than anything that cameron has ever filmed. cameron is a shit stain on kubricks whites.
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he just saw aicn and lost all hope for filmmaking and quit.
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happy halloween you stupid ignorant fuckheads. no one has said that in this talk back yet? what kind of geeks are you? assholes.
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MainMan2001 and anyone else interestedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geNv6FUK0HU&feature=player_embedded(remove spaces)
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you are a CHAMPION when it comes to spit-out-the-coffee-that-was-damned-funny insults.Now, back to Cinematography. Do you agree, like someone posted earlier, that "Children of Men" is overrated? Because the photography on that movie deserves it's own category.
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Nov 03, 2009 12:06:04 AM CST
CAMERON’S MOVIES HAVE A SOUL, THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE……
by thedestroyerofworlds
The difference between Cameron and people like Bay, McG and Ratner, is that , despite being a bit of a bastard, Cameron has a heart and, most importantly, an intelligence that those worthless hacks couldn’t even begin to understand. Seriously, go watch all of Bay, McG and Ratners films then go and watch all of Cameron’s. Afterwards, come back here and tell me that Cameron is a hack. Yeah, his movies aren’t the most dramatically complex but that’s because he’s doing what Rod Serling did with The Twilight Zone, using Sci-fi to tell stories about the human condition while throwing in some mind melting action. Fucking losers like Faraci and his asskissers at CHUD have been engaging in their own brand of revisionism by going around and acting as though Cameron has always been a hack when these same cocksuckers sang his praises for years. Oh and I think he deserves a wee bit of praise considering that he made three of the greatest Sci-fi action films of all time with The Terminator, Aliens and Terminator 2 which blew my 13 year old mind back in 1991. He also managed to make the biggest hit of all time and even though it’s fashionable to talk shit about Titanic today, every one of you motherfuckers enjoyed the movie as much as I did. The reason why I’m writing this is that the second trailer has turned me around. Yes, it’s still Dances with Thundersmurfs, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t or won’t be a satisfying movie and I’d rather take any of Cameron’s “failures”, i.e. The Abyss or True Lies, over Ratner, McG or Bay’s “best” films. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK YYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU AAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!
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Weren't you DoubleFeature a couple of days ago?
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—but, as always it's a treat to have him back. Astute observation and knowledge back by a ferocious wit. I always enjoy your posts CreepyThinMan, even when I don't agree. At the very least you force people to asses (or re-asses) what they're thinking and why they think it.
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Nov 03, 2009 12:25:29 AM CST
blakindigo, CHILDREN OF MEN, GOOD, NOT GREAT.....
by thedestroyerofworlds
What I liked about it was the acting but when you have a quality cast like that you can’t help but get some good thesping. Otherwise the movie didn’t do much for me. It was your typical grubby and gritty dystopic Sci-fi flick and, to be honest, the endless takes got on my nerves. In the case of Avatar, Cameron is going for a big, epic, sci-fi fantasy flick so I’m expecting clichés but the whole idea of finding the first pregnant woman in years and protecting her blah, blah, blah felt like they were trying to make it a thriller with arthouse pretentions. I would have been more interested in seeing a movie about the end of that civilization and how the characters came to terms with it rather then another generic chase movie. It’s the difference between a movie like, say, Miracle Mile and Testament. Both deal with nuclear holocaust but Testament focuses on the emotional rather then the visceral as Miracle Mile does.
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They killed him and then cut out 25 minutes from Eyes Wide Shut that exposed more of the reality of the elite's depraved, satanic sex cults.
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...'cause I REALLY don't need to see some none-too-subtle America-bashing by yet another Holly-weird bigwig that's made serious bank by this country and now chooses to ease his "social conscience" by (ironically) creating a big-budget blockbuster, the central message of which can be summed up in two words: We Suck. Am I prejudging something I've yet to see? Sure-fucking-am! Would I be more then ecstatic to be proven wrong? Oh HELL yes! 'Cause Mr. Cameron has given me many happy times at the movies, and after so long away I would SO hate to have to not go see his latest effort. And it sure does LOOK great, but much as with District 9, I caught wind of this 'bout a mile off, so I think not, no. I don't suck. My country doesn't suck. I will not lay down my hard-earned to fill the pockets of those who have the opposite opinion. Dammit.
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in Washington D.C. (documentary) http://tinyurl.com/yjx89eh
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examples to the game. The dude knows his movies ("Testament" is fantastic) but, he also gives another movie for comparison. Take notes people.Anyway, back to Cameron, yes he deals in 'cliches' but, he also makes them fresh by putting them in a new context. It's called 'research' to all the haters and defenders of things Bay. Cameron puts a LOT of effort into making the worlds he presents plausible and engaging, while rooting the story in subtext and grounding the characters in believable motivations. Not an easy trick, that.To quote Harlan Ellison: DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME.
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Nov 03, 2009 12:40:51 AM CST
DrMorbius, I REALLY ENJOYED THE FEATURETTE.....
by thedestroyerofworlds
I’ve always loved behind-the-scenes featurettes. I used to obsessively tape them on VHS when I was a kid. I’m 31 FYI. Anywho, I still have reservations about the cast, otherwise I didn’t see anything to suggest that Avatar won’t be entertaining.
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America is a beautiful country. That being said, it's NOT the entire world. Somehow people get the idea that imperialism is only a by-product of American history, when many cultures of the world have participated in the exploitation of cultures and lands for profit and control. Can we please not be so self-absorbed to think that America is the world? It's a huge, wonderful place but, there are many other cultures and peoples on the planet. Please stop being so myopic. Its not all about 'you guys'. "Avatar" is a metaphor developed around the idea of human exploitation and that narrative is universal; no culture or country has cornered the market on that evil.
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Check this out. looks like they're still 'tweaking' some of the scenes, adding detail.http://tinyurl.com/yazbgft
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Nov 03, 2009 12:54:44 AM CST
and it looks like the big battle takes place in daylight
by famouseccles
thank fuck. I'm sick of the big showdown happening at night. Lucas doesn't do that shit and I'm glad Cameron is the same
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destroyer i saw T2 at the exact same age as you and was completely blown away by it. Still one of my favourite action sci-fi movies....
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crap? Avatar is clearly an allegory for colonialism/emperialism as a whole. Its clear the RDA also referred to as the Consortium (the multi-national companies that finance the colonization of other planets) is modeled on the Dutch East India Trading company.....
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crap? Avatar is clearly an allegory for colonialism/emperialism as a whole. Its clear the RDA also referred to as the Consortium (the multi-national companies that finance the colonization of other planets) is modeled on the Dutch East India Trading company.....
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Kinda like how you go into such detail with your resentment of CHILDREN OF MEN...me, I've always had an axe to grind about TITANIC:
Some tedious old bitch who was a tramp in her youth leads a team of oceanographers on for three Goddamn hours, then spitefully tosses the priceless piece of jewelry they've been desperately seeking overboard at the end, like some shithead granny squandering her kid's rightful inheritance at the casino.
Um, is this the part where I'm supposed to fucking cry? 'Cause I ain't feeling this shit.
(And if she'd drowned, it would have been a feel-good movie. Bummer at the missed opportunity)
Again, I liked both TERMINATORS and ALIENS, but the sun doesn't shine out of Cameron's asshole by any means. You guys need to wipe the drool off of your chins and try to be a little more discriminating. -
how could such a tired cliche make it into an actual production?
I CRINGED.
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Nov 03, 2009 1:41:55 AM CST
BurnHollywood, OH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON TITANIC BUT......
by thedestroyerofworlds
The sinking was teh awesome as were Kate Winslet's luscious milkers. Also, remember that I wasn't exactly giving Cameron head when the first Avatar trailer came out. It was underwhelming, to say the least. This new trailer is much better. I just hope that he doesn’t flame out like Lucas did with Phantom Menace. Christ, even after ten years I still hate saying that stupid fucking subtitle. Ironic as Attack of the Clones was even worse. Revenge of the Sith was a cool title but I was hoping that he would have went with something like Balance of the Force/Rise of the Empire/Fall of the Jedi. I’m just fapping over the lost potential of those movies. Anyway, does anyone else here find it funny how we can look at a trailer for something like Avatar and not lose our fucking minds the way we would if we were given that in, say, 1992? I get the feeling that the geek community is just burnt out on giant visual effect extravaganzas because we’re now getting two or three a year with virtually photorealistic effects so we just don’t care anymore about the scale or scope. Remember how movies like Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park were sold on how revolutionary their effects were? Remember watching those trailers over and fucking over because of how fucking incredible it all looked? I just don’t get that feeling any more. I think CGI has peaked the way make-up and animatronics did in the 80’s and 90’s. There’s so much of it now that it isn’t special anymore. In the end it all comes back to the story being told and that’s all it’s ever been about. Everything else is just wallpaper.
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we fell behind Freddy. You're fucking slacking dude!
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I still have a fucking headache from watching GI Joe 3 months ago. I was actually enjoying it, personally I thought the effects/action were done pretty well, but the 3rd act was too fucking much.
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we're in the Amazon Rainforest. *yawn*
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Nov 03, 2009 2:15:14 AM CST
SULLY - "OKAY, I DO THIS AND YOU GIVE ME NEW LEGS BUT..."
by thedestroyerofworlds
"Can I also get a 12 inch cock?" Dr. Grace Augustine (Sigourney Weaver) replies "Sorry Jake but even though I can create a human/Na'vi hybrid and project your consciousness into it, I’m not a miracle worker”.
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movies that come out a dime a dozen.
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Nov 03, 2009 2:26:23 AM CST
I WISH VERHOVEN COULD MAKE A STARSHIP TROOPERS SEQUEL.....
by thedestroyerofworlds
Even though they made those two shitty DTV movies, I’d FUCKING KILL to see what Verhoven could do with a ST sequel and today’s technology. That movie came out in late 97 and it’s STILL as impressive and enjoyable as it was on opening day.
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No, Soderbergh didn't sucked the Sf out of solaris. In many ways, Solaris is a pure SF story, as defined by the genre. In fact, most movies we call Sf and love are in fact hybrids. Solaris is almost a pure representation of the genre."I fucking love The Abyss. Time for an anamorphic version on DVD/Blu, Jim"Oh, most definatly! Blu-ray was made for movies like The Abyss.
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Load of shit. Seriously awful, and if you've got a Y chromosome then it's like fucking kryptonite.
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Baaaaaaaaaaa. Just fuck off.
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It sucked.
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Jesus, goatfucker, what is wrong with you?
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No, i'll have to disagree with you on that friend. If anything, Children Of Men is underrated. As underrated now as it was when the public decided to not go watch it in big numbers. A shame really, because the movie was another chance for intelligent SF to fall into the minastream again. No such luck. And the cinematography on Children Of Men is this rare beast from an Hollywood movie, cinematography that actually complements the story, instead of being a flashy trick to make people believe they are watching a better movie then they are getting... shall i name VERY OBVIOUS EXAMPLES? This year it was filled with them. CoM cinematography is a pure example of it being a total complete part of the movie, one existing for the other, symbiotic.And the last long track shot of Children Of Men is the best action sequence of the decade. In a movie that is not an action movie! Me loves that irony.
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I was really looking forward to Solaris because Cameron was producing but Soderbergh fucked it up. I loved the book and was hoping for an emotionally powerful and thought provoking movie. What I got was a dose of cold clinical detachment which is atypical of Soderbergh’s work. It also moved at a snails pace and I wanted to FUCKING MURDER Jeremy Davies for being the annoying twat that he is. Movies should take their time but there comes a point when the Director is just wanking and Soderbergh was blasting his ham throughout Solaris. The movie was 99 minutes long but it felt soo fucking turgid.
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Is this true? If so, hallelujah brothers! Any word on an Abyss commentary? I'd love for Cameron and Harris to sit down together, that would be one awesome yack track.
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You should check out The Abyss Special Edition ASAP. On the biggest screen and best sound system you can find...
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while good, is not overrated. Especially not round these parts. It is also not a patch on the book. Julianne Moore (one of my least favourite actresses) sucks the life out of it.
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I have a bet going that the Na’vi are all CG characters. What do y'all think? Will I win my bet?
Also, I'm not certain about this, but I have a vague feeling that this has nothing to do with "The Last Airbender." Am I right?
Finally, someone told me that the trailers for "Avatar" are a hoax, and that the movie is really James Cameron's "Titanic II." That can't be true, can it?
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but, I haven't read the book, so I don't know how it compares. It was almost too cinematic. This won't make any sense, so I'll try my best to describe the feeling. I was entranced with it's dazzling technique; the deceptive simpleness of the story. And of course, Michael Caine, to me the most consistently fascinating actor of his generation. It's like a friend of mine told me after viewing Lars Von Trier's "Europa"— he was really hypnotized by the opening sequence. It felt like his description of that movies opening to me.
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I know many people didn't like that movie. I'm not sure why because I think it's quite wonderful.I had the opportunity to ask James Cameron about "Solaris" back in 2003 when he came to present the opening of "Ghosts of the Abyss." I know, it seems like a stupid question, especially for a film he only produced, but at the time I couldn't get that film out of my head. He laughed when I brought it up, probably thinking I was taking the piss, but I was earnest and monopolized his time asking him about the initial cut of the movie and what it was like to collaborate with Steven Soderbergh. He graciously thanked me for complimenting it, and I said something like "We need more SF like that—it's a great movie." Then he went on to field questions about his inspirations for "Dark Angel" or something. I was frustrated because of the lack of time the fans were given, because I would have absolutely pumped him for knowledge about his illustration work and his time with Roger Corman. Actually, I had far too many questions and that was the first one that came to mind, probably because the film was still kicking around the cerebellum. I'm still kicking myself for not asking him if he'd ever consider publishing a book of his illustrations and artwork for various movies, something I hope someone on the AICN or any other film geek site would do. (If I ever meet Guillermo Del Toro I'll ask him if he could publish a book of his concept work for his body of films.)I was really interested in where he thought 3D technology would go, because I know about the ridiculous challenges he had on "Terminator 3D" and with the new improvements in camera gear I was hoping to get some insight on his future projects. Needless to say, THIS is one of the reasons I saw the "Avatar Day" footage twice. This is why I'm interested in "Avatar" regardless if it fails or succeeds, because it's indicative of an individual filmmaker pushing the boundaries of commercial filmmaking using the advances of technology for the narrative as opposed to using them for their own sake. This is why I think it's critical for us to support a film like "Avatar" because it WILL take outrageous chances that are risky for a major studio release. And, of course, I have to see it for the career bookend of the great Stan Winston…This film has a personal meaning for me. It's symbolic in the way that "Jurassic Park" was in 1993.
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imho the photorealism in that scene is oustanding,better than whatever we have seen until now.
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There's a lot of us here that feel the same way.
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Nov 03, 2009 6:52:14 AM CST
unless we gonna see this movie frame by frame slowmo
by dioxholsterreturns
then the whole photorealism thing is a waste of money. TF2 was as realistic as it gets. and Stargate Atlantis and SGU were also realistic---you know why? because we dont have anything to compare it to! we dont know what space is like!
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so how will we judge! real Na'vi could be equally cartoony!
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Nov 03, 2009 7:01:14 AM CST
blakindigo--- and your comment is sympolyic of your pathetic lif
by dioxholsterreturns
you went no where man. you are the symbol of a LOSER!!!! keep sucking to film directors maybe one day they will repay you by making you their bitch!
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I've been trying to figure something in my head, and maybe you can help me out, yeah? When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading AICN talkbacks, masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, "Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!"? Yeah. Do you guys do that?
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Diox, away and watch Stargate FFS.
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I bet when Aliens was released you were banging on about how Captain Power was better.
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post of the day lol...Thankfuly I appear to be on time to insult Diox. My question is when he has gotten into his gimp suit and is lubing up to have nerdrage enter his stargate...do you think they have episodes of stargate playing to ge tthem in the mood?
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and Nerdrage have the faintest idea how bugfuck nuts they are. Just read their posts, and look at the sheer number of posts just repeating the same ranting. These two think they are on some kind of crusade to do.....who knows? And the flat out funniest thing of all? Both these delusional real life comic book guys dont get that no-one cares that they dont like a movie they have nt seen, everyone just wishes they would stop boring the crap out of us all with their one note, unfunny, witless, ignorant crap...
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Re: Solaris. I don't know where I got this - and it goes against what blakindigo said above - it was either a written interview or maybe the commentary, but Cameron praises Soderbergh for having the balls to rein back the Sf and make the story about two people. I think it was the wrong decision, but maybe that's just me cos I wanted to see the novel up on screen.Solaris is the planet, the focal point of their troubles but the crew barely investigate the why of it.Tarkovsky's version doesn't always succeed but I think is a much better stab at the material. Check it out, if you haven't already, and the Lem novel.
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Imagine the scenes around these clips, seriously fuck the haters... kids will literally go crazy for this. Watch it 5 times.
Also, agreed that Fellowship was the only decent Rings movie. The Hobbit should rule, just keep PJ away for big decisions.
Children of Men is totally overrated yeah. And Soderbergh's Solaris was super dull and pretentious yeah. For me anyway.
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blakindigo, I thought Stan Winston's last movie was TERMINATOR SALVATION (and whatever faults you can level at that film, the superb fx and creature design certainly aren't amongst them). He gets a dedication on the credits.
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Diox's fate is 'bound' to Stargate? No more stargate, no more Diox.
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Nov 03, 2009 10:01:46 AM CST
Cobra--Kai, I know that Stan Winston Studios is definitely
by blakindigo
involved with "Avatar" though I have no idea what they've done. Probably something design based, like building maquettes.
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was quoted saying something like "I didn't name the book 'Love Story in Space,'" regarding Soderbergh's version. Neither film is a direct representation of the book. But, then again, as a youth I disliked Kubrick's "The Shining" for the same reason—it took too many liberties from the book. Years later I LOVE "The Shining" deviating from the book and internalizing the metaphor for madness.It's all about individual tastes and how the filmmaker can relate to the source material. The relationship angle in Soderbergh's "Solaris" worked for me because it feels legitimate and personal, like a by-product of his psyche and guilt over past relationships. The planet 'Solaris' is sublimated and reduced to the background presence but, it has a stronger metaphorical connection.
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Great paraphrazing from Seven. Good job.
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WTF? I want to punch people in the throat who can't appreciate that movie. Hate everything else about it but from a technical standpoint it's a crowning achievement and that should give it a free pass in anyone's mind.
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I know i'll get a fatha on me for saying this in this den of geekry, but i truly believe that the movie The Shining is far superior to the original Stephen King book from which it's based. The book starts very well but midway through veers into complete banatily and predictability and conventionality. The movie is nothing like that from begining to end. It's a complete mental fuck up from start to finish. And the better for it. I have no shortage of awe for Kubrick's the Shining since the very first say i saw it.
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Yeah. The technical wizardry of Children Of Men is just ONE of the things that make it awesome. And awesome is truly thr best way to describe it. Because that movie delivers awe.
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I have read the book, i saw the soveit movie, and i saw the Soderbergh/Cameron movie. And i like them all. I accept the changes. i accept them because what the two movies delivered differenly form the book, and what they left behind, was replaced by original good stuff. The book is great. I have a great respect for the soviet movie. But it was the Soderbergh/Cameron movie that really connected with me. i hate to go in hyperbole her,e but i say that the soderbergh/Cameron Solaris is a movie made by people who have fell in love, too much in love, and it shows. I relate to that, and i take that from the movie. To call it anything less then a good movie is something that completly puzzles me. There should be more movies like that. They are the antidotes to the flood of dumbness disguised as SF that invades theaters every year.
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I have read the book, i saw the soviet movie, and i saw the Soderbergh/Cameron movie. And i like them all. I accept the changes. i accept them because what the two movies delivered differenly form the book, and what they left behind, was replaced by original good stuff. The book is great. I have a great respect for the soviet movie. But it was the Soderbergh/Cameron movie that really connected with me. i hate to go in hyperbole her,e but i say that the soderbergh/Cameron Solaris is a movie made by people who have fell in love, too much in love, and it shows. I relate to that, and i take that from the movie. To call it anything less then a good movie is something that completly puzzles me. There should be more movies like that. They are the antidotes to the flood of dumbness disguised as SF that invades theaters every year.
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And you are posting some pretty inspired posts. Good job, friend.
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In case anyone missed it.....LA Confidential was THE best movie of 1997, better than Titanic, better than anything that came out that year. Ir rocks from start to finish. If you disagree, go bury your head in the sand for 100 years. LOL, j/k.
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I'm not a hater, I really hope this is an eye-fucker, but so far it pretty much just looks like a Disney movie. The cheesy writing, the cliche plotline... it's basically a live-action Fern Gully in Space
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Nov 03, 2009 11:01:33 AM CST
LA Confidential was one of the best films of the decade
by hawaiian organ donor
Let alone 1997. It's a perfect movie. I always felt it should be this generation's Citizen Kane. Aspiring film makers should be studying it to see how great movies are made.But then I also feel the same way about Children of Men. I just don't know how anyone can watch it and not be blown away by every single frame.
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Well said, my friends, well said.
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You know, this is is what i call the Cook Theory. You can have the same recepy and the same igredients, but one cook will make a great meal out of them, and another will made an undigestible goop. And Cameron, so far, has proved to be one hell of a cook.
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This is a much better trailer, but it still looks like Fern Gully.
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Touche! I remain hopeful... And to be fair I'm watching it on a small computer monitor...
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Just let me know what theater and showtime you're attending so I can stay far away.
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So many bullets wasted every minute, and none has the name of GABRIELGRAY. Aim at the testicles, stop his contribution to the gene pool.
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Chances are i'll really detest it. And that is James Horner's score. The mere mention of his name makes me want to puke my guts out. And I used to love his work so much, i still enjoy his earlier scores. But since the 90s his scores are pure ass. I can't stand this assclown's work anymore.They said that Horner has made an alien sounding score for the Na'Vi. I can already see what it will be: lots of panpipes and choirs with the voices of some sheppard people from Central Africa or Papua New Guinea. Because nothing says alien better then panpipes and tribal chantings from 3rd word people.I'm not against the use of "etnic" world music for movies, quite the contrary. One of my all time favorite scores is Peter Gabriel's work for The Last Tempttation Of Christ. But Horner's score for Avatar will sound like a bad parody of Adiemus.With so many really talented composers, why had Cameron to chose Horner? Was Elliot Goldenthal that busy?
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TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
it looks like animation from 1999. seriously. people who describe it as a cartoon are exactly correct.
-
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I PROMISE THIS SITE WILL BE OFF THE INTERWEB WITHIN THE WEEK.
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I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
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I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
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dont be jealous of me
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I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
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CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
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TO LONG HAS JABBA THE FUCKING HUT BEEN FREE TO GULP AT THE TEAT OF TALENTLESS IGNORANCE,
SERVER CHARGES ARE A BITCH.
CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
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I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
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CHAOS REIGNS
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I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
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CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
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CHAOS REIGNS
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I USED TO WANK IN YOUR FACES!
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OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
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CHAOS REIGNS
AND WHEN IT REIGNS IT POORS -
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OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
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awww poor baby doesnt like me. your attack is failing you idiot
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and that is saying a lot. what a pussy douche bag. literally
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the talkback. you are so cool. you hacking skills are amazing. like napoleon dynamite. hahahahahahaq you fucking loser!
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will the real faraci please stand up? oh, and avatar is twilight for scifi fans. you guys are dumb
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im still here douche. you and nobody else can stop me! mwahahahahah
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then just watch tron. that movie has better cgi that avatar. better writing and acting too
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make regular human cgi characters. that is so stupid. what a fucking waste of money. think of all the good that that money could do if they spent it somewhere important. instead of on a piece of shit like avatar.
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he has never had an original idea in his life. he stole terminator from harlan ellison. he stole avatar from poul anderson. what a fucking hack!
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What a bunch of fucking morons.
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was that you posing as GABRIELGRAY? you are pathetic. that was the lamest attemt to bring down aicn i have ever seen. what a loser!
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it's how they shape it to their own vision is what counts. Heck Sergio Leone's movies are pure pastiches of older movies, down to the quotes.
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Nov 03, 2009 12:59:00 PM CST
avatar looks like something a 13 year old girl
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
would create.
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stealing ideas and being influenced by past works. cameron is a thief
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You are the AIDS of AICN.
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...I don't think Anderson's Avatar is similar to Cameron's other than the title. But since I haven't seen Avatar yet, maybe I am wrong.
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Oh look another loser fuckstick spamming a talk back.....good thing for us this never happens here huh?? LOL.
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You actually think GabrielGray/BadcandleJack is Southafricanguy under different user names? Why would he waste his time doing that? Do you think we're all as absolutely pathetic as you are, sadcase? Seriously, you are a borderline sociopath. You fucking muppet, kindly set yourself on fire.
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I just scrolled further up the talk back and realized what is happening. Nevermind.
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wow, making light of aids? you are an asshole. i'm making fun of avatar. you are shogunshin, the holocaust denier, fuck off
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As detailed in a lengthy post by MrKissKissBangBang near the top of this TB. Idiots like Nerd Rage live in cloud cuckoo land and will spin anything regardless of the facts.
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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Nov 03, 2009 1:16:42 PM CST
TurdontheRun, why would southafricanguy do that?
by nerd_rage_retard_strength
because he is a pathetic loser and i made him cry in another talkback. and if you have half a brain you would see the similarities between their post. people are gunning for me. because i tell the truth about james cameron and avatar. got it, turdonyourface?
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
I HOWEVER STAND ROUND FRONT SLAPPING THE SLUTS FACE IN FITS OF LAUGHTER! -
UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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UP THE ASS WHILE CRYING!
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