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Quint has seen the Michael Jackson concert flick THIS IS IT!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my thoughts on the Michael Jackson concert-that-never-was film THIS IS IT.
Like most of my generation Michael Jackson was a staple of my childhood. It was a huge deal when a new single hit, when a new record (or tape in my day) was released… It was a badge of honor amongst my friends to own Thriller… yes, even with that totally non-zombiefied MJ cover.
I was in elementary school when Dangerous came out and everybody had a copy. That’s not an exaggerated statement… I don’t think there was one fellow student in my classroom that didn’t watch the TV premiere of his Black or White video and excited talk about how cool it was the next school day.
All that goes to me being an easy target for a movie like this, aimed squarely at Michael Jackson fans.
Yes, it’s a cash-in. But there’s more substance to this cash-in than I expected. The film neither opens or closes with a big to do about Jackson’s untimely death, instead it focuses on the show he was about to put on.
I was worried about how this was going to come together to be honest. I heard the same rumors most of you did, I’m sure, that his voice wasn’t there, that he was struggling and the concert was looking like an epic failure. Either those rumors are wrong or some extreme movie magic trickery was on display tonight because the dude was on fire… Wait, that’s a poor choice of words… You know what I mean.
The best part of this peek behind the curtain is seeing Jackson construct each piece bit by bit, working with the dancers, back-up vocalists, the incredibly hot blonde Aussie (I think) guitar babe, his drummer and every person on the crew to make his vision happen.
In this case his mantra was to make this 100% for the fans. There wouldn’t be some new material he’s trying to shove down their throats… he just wanted to do the songs his fans wanted to hear. If there was ever any question about how to perform his classics he responded with “How the fans want to hear it, how it was on the album.”
Sure, the movie is set up to essentially idol worship Jackson, with crying dancers auditioning for the show at the opening to the predominantly God-angles he’s shot from (low camera looking up), but that’s their audience. People who hate the man aren’t going to be lining up to see this movie. Their audience wants to see him treated as the legendary artist he is.
I expected that. What I didn’t expect was seeing so much of his process and how meticulous he was, down to individual notes. He has a duet for I Just Can’t Stop Loving You that is fascinating to me. On one level you have the craftsman directing his partner almost forcefully during the song, grabbing her and moving her where he wants her, holding up a finger if she goes too crazy, guiding her with his own singing.
You have that, but you also have a sense of artistic competition that pushes him further than he was planning on going as the woman and Jackson try to out-sing each out. Jackson really steps up here and wails, causing everybody watching… technicians, director Kenny Ortega… to stop what they’re doing and give their full attention.
After the song duel (Jackson won, of course) Jackson apologizes, saying that he shouldn’t have done that because he has to warm up his voice… He doesn’t want to ruin his vocals for the paying fans by showing off during rehearsal.
You get all that from the man, see him pour his heart and soul into this show… you see him go from the familiar childlike innocence persona to a stern taskmaster trying to make sure his vision is put on the stage. You can see him get frustrated when someone jumps the gun (He tells people to stop and “let it simmer” over and over again), but he never throws any pop star diva shit.
Of course if he did I doubt we’d see it in this movie, but the impression of the man is one that really got to me emotionally.
As far as the music for the most part it’s pretty off the wall (man, look at how clever I am!) good, even with Jackson doing the majority of them at three-quarter speed to save his energy and voice for the actual show.
The only number I was disappointed with was Thriller. It was the most Frankensteined (I’m unstoppable tonight!) of the numbers with none of the three different filmed rehearsals seeming to sync with his lips, the vocals sounding suspiciously like the exact track off of the record. The dancing was about half-speed as well, so I don’t feel we get anywhere near the juice the number needed.
That said the filmed stuff for use during the show was pretty great. For Thriller they filmed a new bit in 3-D that starts in a Haunted Mansion-like building with a hanging ghost and a screaming widow ghost flying out the window over a graveyard where the undead rise as Vincent Price’s brilliant narration goes on.
Also, the Smooth Criminal scenes shot were awesome. That’s where I felt my biggest connection to Jackson. He inserts himself into classic gangster pictures, building replicas of stages from famous gangster movies and shooting himself into the picture. For instance, he starts out the Smooth Criminal number catching Gilda’s glove and then spends the rest of the black and white video running from Humphrey Bogart and Edward G. Robinson.
If I was crazy rich and had a slightly bigger ego that’s the kind of shit I’d waste my money on… the illusion of sharing the same space as some of the gods of cinema.
It’s a shame the concert never happened. It would have been a helluva show… but at the same time I think I like this movie more than the concert. It’s a real look behind the scenes at just what kind of guy Jackson was. He has his weirdo moments. That’s part of who Michael Jackson was. He also has his childlike moments, something straight out of the South Park parody of him. But that was him, too. He also has moments where we see a flash of a genius working at his craft.
Separating all his personal shit, the man made a massive impact on the world, changed music forever and did a lot of good for a lot of people.
In a lot of ways I get the feeling he knew the end was coming since this almost felt like a lifetime achievement concert, a wrap-up of his artistic life from the Jackson 5 (yes, he has a Jackson 5 medley in the show) to present. It wasn’t looking forward, but back. At the age of 50 that’s rather telling.
Yes, the movie has his best music, some of the best pop music to ever be recorded, and a rare glimpse at a master working his craft. The energy and enthusiasm he showed brought a smile to my face more than once and caused my foot to tap along with the best of his work. His Billie Jean number itself is worth the price of admission. He goes into an almost jazz-dance, an impromptu series of moves to nothing but the drum-beat of the song for a good minute or two that caused everyone around to start whooping and hollering.
There was applause in my audience after many of the songs (and this was a press screening, not a regular sneak or midnight filled with Jackson die-hards) and people walking out with smiles on their faces and a wetness under their eyes.
Sure, it’s an obvious money-grab, but This Is It managed to also be an incredibly touching insight to one of the most iconic musicians of all time.
-Quint
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It's like we get it he's dead. This movie or documentary or whatever it is just feels like a total money grab which people will eat up.
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that probably somewhere out there, an unknown pedophile died the same day Michael did, and you know he was like, "Oh, come ON!!"
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looking forward to the flick, although I have to say while I was a huge MJ fan during his peak years, I haven't put an MJ CD in my player in years. Be interesting to see if the flick reignites the spark once more. I'm taking my 8 year old boy. He's a huge MJ fan, but I'm wondering whether the documentary format will leave him bored or on a high. Hoping it's the latter.
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Be prepared for the childsh jokes about your 8 yr old... some childis dicks on here
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"childish dicks" ...boom boom
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Like Quint, I grrew up listening to MJ's music. While in the last few years I didnt really listen to his music over the last summer here (Dec 08 - March 09 in New Zealand) myself and my wife would often find ourselves putting on the 25th Anniversay edition of Thriller when we had friends over - cue derisive looks. But after a few songs everyone would come to hte realisation that MUSICALLY this guy is a legend. I hope this film lets people realise his MUSICAL legacy , whic his what he should always be remembered for.
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The last big score for his parents and siblings to make off his corpse
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This guy probably touched kids. Americans sure can forget things in a hurry, if you're famous you can touch kids.
It's like here in the UK, Garry Glitter will never work again. -
two days after he died, I asked the question - who would stand to gain the most from a dead Michael Jackson as opposed to a still living one?
I think we have an answer -
The same place he was meant to perform the concerts in London. www.thefilmblogger.com
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this video is most definitely the shit. quite possibly of all time.
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this is fucking dumb they would have never released the movie if he were alive
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This Is It was the title of the concert even before he died, and he even recorded a song titled This Is It....so money grab or not, the title is just sort of a coincidence.
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...and who would play MJ?
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For fuck´s sake, man, can you please try writing a review WITHOUT talking about yourself? Just once? Are you even trying to be a professional movie reviewer or are you just a Harry clone? Harry gets a pass because it´s his site and we´ve come to expect his bloggy, anecdotal style (which would never wash in a major publication) but Christ-on-a-bike, man, reading about your airport security line routine down to the minute detail in that Clooney review, and now your elementary school experience, are just NOT NECESSARY when reviewing a movie. This site is not Quintsmemoirs.com. I actually like your writing when it finally gets to the movies but to wade thru your vanity paragraphs is akin to nails on chalkboard. Also, would it kill you to re-read your own work? What is ¨as the woman and Jackson try to out-sing each out.¨ Aren´t you paid to write these? C´mon, Quint, you can do better...
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a small taste of our greek babes.mmm.
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Reviewing is not about plot description and clinical critique for me, it's about relating (or not) to a movie. You're more than welcome to your opinion and it's a valid point of view, but I feel adding personal details that will explain why I feel certain ways about a film or film-going experience are essential to explaining my position on movies.
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People trying to cash in on a dead man is nothing new in this world. What is really sad is that the same people cashing in on MJ are the same ones that didn't give a crap about him when he was alive.
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thats what reviews should be about
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At least he doesn't go on for Three paragraphs about taking his wife to the movies, what he had for dinner that night, and all the other BS that other reviewers shove down your throat. Good review quint.
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While I disagree that movies reviews need not be about plot and clinical critique, but a "movie" like this one needs to be reviwed from a very personal POV. As they say, one man's treasure is another's trash, it's personal touch like this that tells reader which pile this one gonna be.
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What a shame this movie is the closest we will get to seeing it. The guy was weird as hell, but I own the Bucharest concert from 92 and it's simply amazing.
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—and it…well, if you don't give a toss about Michael Jackson then you might already be biased against watching it. That having been said—it's actually a pretty intimate experience; somehow it allows viewers to see more of Michael Jackson's 'humanity'. It's a portrait of an extremely talented, hard-working artist coming back into form. The scope of the show was colossal—really, the guitar solo battle was jaw-dropping (especially for the 'king of pop's' repertoire.)—and although he's not dancing full-on for most of the film (he's perfecting timing and vocalizations more than a full performance), you can see how, when the curtain rose, he would be the powerful performer that he was.This movie humanizes Michael Jackson more than anything I've seen outside of his home movies and various testimonials. But, here he's still a 'superstar' but, a down to earth one. His wit, his openness to suggestions, his willingness to share his passion with his fellow performers; it's all just a glimpse out of approximately 50 hours of footage, but even if there were 'diva moments' cut out, it seems like this was as close as his fans would ever get to seeing him in his element—as a performer, first and foremost.
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I had no interest in seeing this movie until I read Clint and Roger Ebert's reviews. Now I'm looking forward to seeing it!
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I can appreciate what you are saying to an extent and I am certainly not advocating writing simply about plot descriptions. By all means, tell us what you liked and why but it´s the ¨I was born the son of a poor black sharecropper¨ element to your writing that I think you take too far sometimes. As I mentioned, I enjoy your writing when it gets to the meat of the actual movie itself, it´s all the masturbatory anecdotal additions that I don´t feel professionaly serves the review and comes off as very Harry-esque. For example, simply stating Michael Jackson was an 80´s music icon that most of us remember from back in the day serves the same purpose without going on about all elementary school stuff, yada yada, get to the review, man! Otherwise, I enjoy reading your perspective as is evident by my examples of your previous reviews which I have read.
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Have you seen my bleached penis before? THIS IS IT!
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Oct 28, 2009 6:21:09 AM CDT
Like most of my generation Michael Jackson was a staple of my ch
by lost jarv
Michael Jackson stapled far too many childhoods, if you ask me.
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Freeze frame, "The End?" caption. Yeah I know I've posted this joke about three times here, but I won't anymore, this is it.
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he only co-wrote thriller and with jones production means 30% of that album was his own. Other people wrote the best songs on that album.
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Now I want to see it...
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Nuff said.
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or are they gonna rip it from the clutches of the cinema theatres and then put the master back in the vault for 50 years?
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That's what Jett99L told me and I believe everything he says.
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even if he hadnt died, once the whole tour was over, you know they would have eventually released footage about the making of it(along with the actual show of course). they didnt film all that rehearsal footage for fun. and considering Michael called this tour "This Is It", obviously he knew this was the end of his touring career, so another reason why we would have seen all this regardless. and then there's the fact he was in so much debt, yet another reason why this was inevitable, dead or not.
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Interestingly, Bubbles is an AICN regular. He posts on these TBs are "Lockesbrokenleg".
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He wrote "Billy Jean" "Beat It" "Want to be starting something" and co-wrote "The Girl is Mine". Um…yeah, I think that qualifies him as a pop music genius creating 4 of the most played songs in history.
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Is none of this film has anything to do with what Michael wanted.
Michael died owing millions to so many people its kind of mind boggling. How someone SO talented could get such terrible financial advice (if any) is beyond me.
Michael never got what he really needed, and that was a firm hand of a friend of confidant who could simply take him by the shoulder and tell him "No... you're NOT going to do this."
Let's face it.. Michael looked more like a gay Italian gigolo then he did Michael Jackson.
All he wanted was to go out and do it one last time, and show everyone who considered him a freak, wrote him off as a has-been, or simply thought he was 100% pure whacked out of his mind and incapable of doing anything like this again what it was that got everyone so excited about him in the first place.
This is simply the last shot for all his creditors and beneficiaries to make good on the Michael Jackson name... since it's not like they can pull a 'Tupac' and have him releasing albums for the next 20 years...
This really IS 'IT' -
in a good way...see what I did there? with the name of one of his songssss---too early?
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Since about the mid '80s and it sucked then (sucks so bad that it's now going to be stuck in my head for days after just thinking about it of course). "Wanna be" is just as annoying. I actually like MJ but honestly he's only got about one records worth of songs I can actually stand. Love every son on every Zep album though...even Coda.
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Quint, that review made me wistful - truly, it was from your heart.
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1- What kind of gay Italian gigolos are you seeing?
2- You are joking about MJ not having album releases coming out for the next 20 years... right? -
Oct 28, 2009 7:31:42 AM CDT
QUINT - HAVE YOU SEEN MJ'S LIVE IN BUCHAREST CONCERT?
by bringingsexyback
If not, you must. That's precisely what his new concert would've been like, maybe just toned down a mite but with new routines and staging. It's so damned incredible. I wish it was out on widescreen and in HD. Thriller was also the weakest part as it was lip-sync'd to the album track but the rest was damned amazing.
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you twat
he CO WROTE four of them and produced none of it.
I work in the industry do you even know what co-wrote means.
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Think i'll just pop in my The Song Remains the Same DVD instead this weekend. Good call.
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Written by Michael Jackson:
The pop star faced numerous disagreements with the song's producer. Quincy Jones did not want "Billie Jean" to appear on Thriller; he felt that the song was too weak to be part of the collection.[8] The producer disliked the demo and did not care for the song's bass line.[11] Jones wanted to cut Jackson's 29 second introduction, which Jackson insisted be kept. "I said, 'Michael we’ve got to cut that intro'", Jones later recalled. "He said, 'But that’s the jelly!'...'That’s what makes me want to dance'. And when Michael Jackson tells you, 'That’s what makes me want to dance', well, the rest of us just have to shut up."[10] Jones also wanted to change the track's title to "Not My Lover", believing that people would think the song referred to the tennis player Billie Jean King. Jackson refused to change the title and asked Jones to give him co-producing credits for the track; he felt that the demo tape sounded exactly like the finished product. In addition, Jackson wanted extra royalties. Jones granted neither and the two fell out for several days.[8][11]
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Interesting to hear Quint liked it; opposing view points - I am now intrigued.
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Oct 28, 2009 8:21:57 AM CDT
MJ is the truest sense of entertainer that the world has ever kn
by hollywoodhellraiser
That guy gives you your money worth and more! I've seen his concerts on VH1 and MTV and to say they are awesome is doesn't do it justice!I knew this doc/movie would and I'm glad I was able to secure tickets awhile back! Taking my niece and we're both vvery excited!
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Unbiased, objective. Touching on the fact that he was both a musical genius like no other and an alleged pedophile. That's something I'd want to see.
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I'm so tired of hearin' about this guy/his loser siblings/his fucked up kids/his doctors/his estate blah blah blah. Jackson Family: Release your movie make your money and go the fuck away
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....all you had to do is turn on your TV set during the two weeks following his death to see that.
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Quincy Jones told Jackson he needed to write a song with a steady, driving beat "like My Sharona" - apparently because white people dig that kind of thing
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Confirmed. Just the thought of "Girl is Mine" and "Wannabe" now has them echoing through my brain in some sort of demonic Master Mix. "Human Nature" is now in there too somehow. I think I need a Freecreditreport.com commercial to exorcise this crap.
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i cant find it in aicn.
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I am beyond sick of the MJ fever that appears to be going around. Where were all these super fans the past 10-15 years before he died? Weren't you the same people making the MJ jokes about the little children and laughing at the South Park parodies, etc.? Why is it a good chunk of people in my office building suddenly are so deeply affected and now have screen savers of him? 1 year ago they were calling him a white lady and now all of a sudden he is sole inspiration in life. Give me a break! MJ was a talented artist and revolutionary back in the day. He hasn't been that in a LONG time. Yes it is sad about his demise, but I am sick of the new idol worshipping of him. The man had problems...lots of problems. This movie is just one last way to profit off him. It's just too bad he was worth more dead than alive.
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Where's Health's movie?
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is a staple of AICN. I can't understand why someone would complain now.... I think it's funny to hear people say they grew up with Michael Jackson and his music was such a big part of their lives, or childhoods. The dudes been a music wonder since he was a little kid. He's been a big part of music for 40 years now, of course you grew up with his music intertwined into your lives. There was no way you did not, unless your fairly young right now and his death was the only door that brought that music into your life as of now. There is no revelation when someone says his music was such a big part of their lives. Of course it was. The man was a legend, and the 80's, as far as media spotlight and the music scene goes- belonged to him.
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...and moved to hitfix which is quite lame except for his column. http://tinyurl.com/yg6hlsb
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Oct 28, 2009 8:49:52 AM CDT
I didn't know these were going to be slowed-down versions!
by revenge_of_fett
Man that's sucky! I'm sure it will be an entertaining and interesting film, but if all the manic fire of his songs are turned into drawn-out medleys I don't know how that's going to sound. I guess it makes technical sense to do it that way to make sure everyone knows their cues and has their steps down, but it's dissapointing nontheless. Then again, I suppose we already have the definitive versions of those songs on DVD with the HISstory videos.
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do it anymore. he always said he would die aged 50. anyway. when he got punked by MTV. He nearly killed himself. He had an appartment in NY. he littered the bedroom with sleeping pills. and locked himself in his bathroom. they knew he was in NY. but the family got worried when he didnt return their calls. His Lawyer and Janet hired a chartered private jet flew to new york. got to his apartment. got security to kick the door down. MJ was within minutes of killing himself.
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Maybe a rental. I grew up in the middle of the Micheal Jackson heyday. I watched and in most cases loved all the big special events like The Making of Thriller,and even later on the Remember the Time mini movie, and I enjoyed most of it like any kid my age.My problem is he went so far off the rails it's hard to seperate it. I guess it's different with Elvis because there wasn't 24 hour news networks and paparazzi documenting every weird thing he did. All of his shit came out after he died.
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It's called The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.
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According to the investigators the boys description of Michaels Penis didn't match reality. The boy was lying through his teeth.
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"he only co-wrote thriller and with jones production means 30% of that album was his own. Other people wrote the best songs on that album. are you all fucking insane."
Isn't part of "musical genius" the song writing as well as the performance? I'm not a huge MJ fan (had Thriller and Bad as a kid, but it isn't my kind of music and I've always been put off by his eccentricities and the pedophile allegations). However, while I'll agree the actual songwriters and producers deserve a share of the credit, and "musical genius" may not be entirely accurate, he did seem to be the legitimate driving force behind the music and the direction it took. Additionally, a lot of it is his performance and what he brings to the music. Eva Cassidy didn't write "Autumn Leaves" but her performance of it was haunting. Or Hendrix and "All Along the Watchtower", or even arguably Nirvana doing an emotional cover of "Man Who Sold the World" or some Meatpuppets songs. Those are all covers, yet have made huge often emotional impacts based on what the performers did with the songs. I see and can quasi-agree with what you are saying, however part of it is what the performer does with the song (performance and whatever they added to songs they co-wrote), and part of it is perception. But some people could sing the phone book and make it interesting, and that has to be considered in somebody's talent or musical genius title suitability.
Still, to me the bottom line is, if you look at his musical career from his start as the most obvious bright point of the Jackson 5 through the span of his career, he obviously had talent, enough so that people with more credentials than I do have said he was a musical genius. Michael Jackson is not my thing (unless you mean Michael Jackson the Beer Hunter and Scotch aficionado), but I expect Eddie Van Halen and Slash and the multitude of other musicians who worked with and praised him on a professional level are sufficient enough to warrant such praise. -
Are you 87 years old? "gangster pictures?" referring to songs as "numbers??" I bet you like to call the soap operas you watch "your stories."
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I can confirm Jordy was lying. Michael's penis was white, beautiful, without blemish and larger than life. Just like the man himself.
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Only a few more weeks of MJ hysteria. I was a Michael Jackson fan when I was a kid (Thriller etc.) But, I was rather surprised at my own reaction when I heard about his death, it was very much an “oh really?” moment as opposed to a “HOLY SHIT!” one. And that was about it. I guess what really annoys me is all of the fawning and adulations that suddenly occur once the guy is dead – but while alive, most of these people would never publicly go on record actively supporting him (which is understandable because the guy was definitely a strange bird). Society is on a weird path these days, people would much rather engage in hero worship and mass catharsis than deal with their own lives.
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Hey cuntface, I have a newsflash. Gary Glitter was CONVICTED. Michael Jackson wasn't. THere is a world of difference. In AMERICA we don't forget that a person is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I don't know how the powdered-wig freaks treat justice in the UK. Go fuck yourself.
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I'd like to see Quincy Jones hit those notes, or moonwalk his ass on stage.
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Not sure if you're aware but MJ ripped off Billie Jean from none other than Daryl Hall and John Oates. The song - I Can't Go for That] No Can Do.
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...Muzzle. Although Hall and Oates are amazing.
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Everybody's hoo-hah must have been showing in that class. I knew a few people that owned "Thriller." Maybe it would have been better if MJ lived to get old, fat and sloppy instead of causing people to project this godlike image of him now.
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Or do they break into the middle of a song with behind the scenes stuff. I really hate it when concert films don't show whole songs. I mean, is this a chopped-up hodge podge of footage or has it been shaped into something more than an over-hyped dvd special feature.
And when it comes to 'limited engagement', wtf does that mean? What film isn't on a limited engagement? Halloween 2 didn't even make it to the actual holiday its named after. No movie plays forever. It seems like more hype to cover them if the movie tanks on opening weekend. -
The whole world has done gone crazy.
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I appreciated your insight into this final MJ performance. I'm still a bit doubtful that I'll see the film, I think it'd probably too much of a downer for me (which again, puzzles me: why do I care?) but I enjoyed your review FWIW.
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I figured the ban hammer would have dropped already.Maybe they're still after dick in ass guy.
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Let it never come back.
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It's not the drum beat, it's the bass line.
http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/music/2009/10/12/now-it-can-be-told-michael-jackson-ripped-off-hall-oates/
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EBERT IS CRAZY!!!
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Oct 28, 2009 10:47:04 AM CDT
"I was in elementary school when Dangerous came out"
by professor_monster
Quint - that being said, you really missed out on what Michael did for music. You were too young to appreciate the impact that Motown 25 had with MJ moonwalking for the first time and over night EVERYONE was talking about him. Thriller and the early days of it, heck - even Bad, make the days of Dangerous look like small change. I can't even start with how NO ARTIST - not one, not ten have even come close to matching what Michael did single handedly with his vision and artistic weight. No one told him how long his videos had to be - no record execs gathered around making sure songs came in under a certain time (they used to do this when radio was precious for advertisers - they tried to bring the hammer down on Queen for Rahpsody) - It's sad that artists aren't allowed to explore their own instincts - Michael was and because of that he took music to a new level - lots don't remember that people weren't buying albums that much until Thriller came out. It's a little like what Jaws and Star Wars did for films.
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...but both songs are dynamically different. Everyone is influenced from somewhere and if that song created Billie Jean, then so be it. Both are amazing and the world of music would suck without them.
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But still, why couldn't it have been Tommy Mottola to drop dead?
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I dragged friends who didn't give a shit about Jackson walking in but were fans when they walked out. This really does change how you feel about the man and make you distrust the media all the more. They said he couldn't sing, couldn't dance, looked frail and unhealthy, was nervous, was on drugs--all that is bullshit. The dude couldn't sleep, those are the drugs he took. Everything else? Bullshit. And then you hear him speak candidly and speak to the other musicians and have to wonder how it's even possible a guy like that could molest a kid. I mean, is it? Nothing you think you know about him makes any sense after this and so you're left with an everything-but-the-kitchen-sink show and the genius crafting it, and remember: Oh yeah. That's what we should have been coming to see all along. Fuck!--He's dead!
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"This Is It"
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Jackson has many albums worth of material that were never released. This has been confirmed time and time again over the years, especially since the "Invincible" sessions. You watch, over the next few years there will without doubt be posthumous MJ albums.
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thats when he started to lose it, he had already lost me as a fan by Bad but yeah Dangerous was just the proof i needed to say he lost his touch. this is just my personal opinion but i think scandals and weirdness aside, what really hurt his career was the lack of evolution in his music. its like he was afraid to reflect the times and kept making 80s-ish music. Pop and R&B have changed so much over the years but it seems like he either couldnt or just didnt want to. i look at Janet and whatever people think of her music, she at least grew and reflected the styles of the times the albums came out. also waiting 4-6yrs to release an album didnt help either. Guy's been solo since the late 70s and has only released 7 albums if you count his Blood on the Dance Floor release.
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I saw MJ on the Victory tour way back when and that was pretty badass. When "Bad" came out I just stopped giving a shit. He started to seem like he was just trying to hard and most of the music after Thriller sucked balls anyway with very few exceptions.
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My sister got tickets. I will enjoy this and probably get upset watching it..
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seriously...outside of some loonie US fans who hang outside a courtroom letting out pigeons or some third world country who is only now getting exposed to MJ thanks to their recent discovery of electricity and VHS. Big freakin' deal. I'd rather watch Spike Lee for 2 hours bitching about white people - Do the right thing 2 perhaps?
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could have been SOOOO much better...I mean, shit man, it didn't even live up to I'm Gonna Git You Sucka (we'll take the stairs)
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I once heard the following conversation on a very popular irish radio station. Gerry Ryan: last night Itv showed a documentary about micheal jackson. we have two people on the line now who have different takes on it. one is long time fan and the other is john. john what did you think? John: well Gerry, I know he is very popular and very talented man but as a father of children. I think it is in appropriate for a man to sleep with children in his bed.
Fan: bedroom
JOhn: bed.
fan: bedroom.
and this is how the interview went for the next 20 mins.
I want to say that I found the jackson's handling of the whole affair revolting in the extreme. that memorial was truly horrifying. and it made me want to throw up. Micheal jackson is better off dead and buried. Joe Jackson is a monster. -
Framton comes Alive - I mean really, who DIDN'T own that?!?!
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You know...pop culture can't just repeat something popular once or twice...it has to beat it to the ground until the base elements have been morphed into peat moss and then evolve back into poly-carbon chains that eventually become living organisms only to evolve to a horse that dies again and it beat YET again into the ground.It all starts the first moment somebody's mom or dad says "This is a great movie...NOT!!!". It's all over but the shouting.And notice that some people actually can moonwalk properly and some just look like asswipes? Usually, the fools wearing sequined gloves and red-leather jackets with aluminum mesh panels can't moonwalk for shit and yet the local corner grateful dead hobo with the roach motel beard will moonwalk right into your heart and make you cry home to momma. Make you ask for mashed taters and gravy!
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Where he is convicted of child molestation and stays in jail?
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wooooooooooooo
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like 101 dalmations, pet shops will be swamped with parents trying to get rid of the shit-throwing primate when their kid "has to have one, just like bubbles" for christmas.
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Oct 28, 2009 12:32:16 PM CDT
people should just go see Michael Moore's latest flick..
by babblerouser
it's the same premise: Washed up/has been putting crap on the screen while taking your money.
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moore is still alive....damn it.
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Why am I not surprise the haters haven't mention the guy who actually raped a 13 year old girl!Since you judgemental haters wanna see a pedophile hang than why no mention of Roman Polinsky???There no proof that Jackson molest kids but there plenty of proof that Roman Polinsky raped a 13 year old girl!
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Oct 28, 2009 12:38:03 PM CDT
dude, have you seen a picture of that 13 year old girl?
by babblerouser
she was way hot... and movie producers/directors have been raping children for years now...George Lucas raped my childhood.
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Did it look like they used a body double or body doubles for Michael? Outside of Thriller, do you think it was "his" voice or were they using old recordings like Joe and LaToya are insisting? As for your thought of it seemed like he knew it was the end - he did. He had said that "This Is It" and he was done touring after this.
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makes me shudder at humanity's willingness to gawk at oddities and makes me wonder why freakshows aren't more prevalent in our society. Oh, right, because we get 'em free on tv...
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Because if they didn't put it out, THE FUCKED UP MEDIA in this country (and even worse and more judgmental and fucked up in the U.K.... where there are cameras on every corner) would just keep on picking at his corpse and gleaning from the few clips that were released immediately that, "His voice wasn't up to par, he didn't give it his all (nevermind that it's a fucking rehearsal), blah, blah, blah..." The media seriously made a target of Jackson and I think that if you dig around, you'll find out that, although he was weird, nobody got a worse shake from those bottom feeding pieces of trash than MJ. You can see it in nearly EVERY ARTICLE written about him by the mainstream media. There's ALWAYS a 'tell', where the journalist can't help but slip in a condescending remark or some bullshit that's completely irrelevant to the story and then makes you question whether or not the entire article is just speculation... which, more often than not, it was. Look, if you want to see all of this in action, just watch the Martin Bashir doc then watch the doc, "The Footage You Were Never Meant To See" on Youtube and tell me they don't slant EVERY FUCKING THING HE DID to make him seem weird or to fit the picture of him they wanted you to see. I mean down to cutting off his answers in the editing to make them as awkward and weird as possible when, if they just let it roll for five more seconds, you'd be like, "oh, that makes sense." At one point in the MJ version (the end, where it plays brilliantly as a commentary on Bashir's hack job), Bashir says, "Do you sometimes despair at human nature?" And Jackson considers his response for a few moments and then says, "Yes... because no matter what you do, no matter how good your intentions are, someone always has something negative to say about it or read into it." The guy was actually pretty normal compared to a lot of today's no talent assclowns. And it's pretty telling that he kind of did know what Bashir was going to do by virtue of the fact that he insisted on filming concurrently with them. But nobody watches that version, which shows complete answers and gives context.As for this doc, you'll notice a lot of the snark gone from the reviews and that's exactly why it SHOULD be released. To shut the media the fuck up and to leave no doubt that he still had 'it'. I will say, though, that the 'This Is It' premiere seemed like a commentary on the 'cash grab' comments and proved the preening, reigning mediocrity of most of today's celebs is the norm, those with no discernible talent to speak of who seem to have exclusively colonized the media's attention. It was kind of gross to see the fuckers posing on the red carpet on their way into a film that would show them what real talent is. By the way, Quint, great review.
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with racial slurs and child molester comments I would like to say I seen the film last night in Arizona. I went with my homeboy and we liked seeing Mike do what he does best. It was great footage and the dancers were great. Micheal truly showed how dedicated he is and what a hard worker he was. He had complete creative control of everything going on in the concert. Everyone in the theater was singing and dancing along. Again, great footage. R.I.P.
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ya know, did they do a good job editing/hiding the wires that were holding MJ up, or did they just say fuck it and go full-on marionette style?
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Oct 28, 2009 12:50:15 PM CDT
Of course the media made Mike weirder than he was.
by hollywoodhellraiser
And I love the molester allegations that some talkbackers keep bringing up because so far they haven't a lick of proof to say he guiltyAnd I find it telling how they neglect to mention Roman Polanski for actually raping a child!
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That whole Chandler incident was orchestrated by the boy's father, who was after money from Michael. His ex-wife wanted nothing to do with it until he threatened to take the boy away from her, then she went along with it. The guy was shady beyond belief. All of that stuff was hushed up in the media because "extortionist dad" isn't as big a story as "paedo pop star" and let's face it, the media were constantly printing outlandish bollocks about MJ. Also, the Cops were desperate to get MJ because they were racist pigs who didn't like the idea of a rich eccentric black (sic) man living in their whiter than white area. Look deeper into the story & you'll see what I mean. BTW I'm a bass player (as the name might suggest) and let me tell you the bass lines of "Billie Jean" is bugger all like "I Can't Go For That"! "Billie" has a constant groove while "I Can't" has a more stop-start funk thing going on. If you can't hear the obvious differences then I think you need to re-evaluate your ability to listen to music. And one more thing: quit bitching about the review writing on this site you fucking assholes! Are you paying for it? NO! So shut the fuck up...wankers.
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A friend made a truly hilarious re-mix of his filmed statement at the time. The whole investigation of his penis and all that. The embarrassment, etc, etc.And he did indeed pay that one kid off..maybe others too but that does not conclusively prove he did it.I know everybody is a closet mentalist and can read minds of even the dead and they just KNOW he was putting hands up asses on those kids but it occurs to me that Jackson had an overtly interrupted childhood and maybe he could only relate on a social level to kids. Granted, that's how most pedos operate but yet I do not see wholesale condemnation of the Catholic church. Not all of em of course but some of these fuckers were passing these child-rapist priests from congregation to congregation so they could continue their sick behavior and keep it covered up. This is a FACT but let's all condemn MJ for doing something for which there is no proof.These accusations seem to have weight all their own. Doesn't actually matter what the truth is...when kids are involved and you're involved in any way possibly bad...you're fucking guilty. Period. Guy making coffee in his kitchen naked gets arrested for exposure cause kids can "see" in his window. Obviously he *wanted* kids to peer through his window, past the curtains and blinds, into a kitchen. Squares chasing pron off the net because kids might see it and start turning tricks or something.Kids are important yeah yeah (duh)..must be protected of course of course...but since when do you breeders shut off your brains and just presume guilt without question? McCarthy? Salem witch trials? Finding guilt where none exists? Nevermind the details?! How does that actually serve the welfare of those you claim to champion? When everybody is guilty...won't you risk missing those who actually do the molesting?Didn't we all learn this lesson with the old fable of the boy who cried wolf?
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but becuase he beat his wife that is all the fbi wanted to book him on. lapd has a file on oj's narcotic activities. they wont release.
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louis therous did a superb doc on MJ called looking for micheal jackson. in it he revealed how jackson became great friends with a 15 year old british kid. in the end the mom came home to find her son in a bathrobe and jackson naked in the bath. the parents freaked. what jackson would do is he would pretend to be a big kid. he was loaded and would get kids anything they wanted. The boy protested. but the parents had none of it. The parents told jackson to stay away. they told thier son not to contact MJ. the boy later on did write. but heard nothing. all he got was a legal letter.
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Sometimes a movie like this is good for reminding everyone that regardless of anything else in his life he was a great musical talent.
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You can't milk a dead cow!
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There's a very good documentary by English station Channel 4 called "Michael Jackson: What Really Happened" broadcast in 2007 which attempts to answer questions regarding what the two major molestation cases. It contains interviews with Randy J. Taraborrelli, Diane Diamond and MJ's ex-publicist, Bob Jones.
Another great documentary is a recent one by the same station called “Michael Jackson’s Last Days: What Really Happened” broadcast several weeks after his death. -
...that alot of people don't want to admit...in 94, when they took pictures of jackson's junk...there was a birthmark that matched exactly what the boy saw...no matter what happened, how would the boy know such a thing if he didn't see it? reguardless of jacksons' talent, this is a fact that can't be ignored... -sam-
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Oct 28, 2009 2:00:33 PM CDT
"Michael Jackson - What really happened" doc is bullshit
by professor_monster
Everything in that one is made up. It opens at an auction in Vegas where supposedly people are passing on buying Michael's items on the auction block - when in actuality - this auction NEVER TOOK PLACE. the items on display where being donated to the Hard Rock by the Jackson family - not Michael, and the auction was set up for the filmmaker to shoot - there was no one there and the people passing were wondering what the auction was about - then a security guard would tell them to move along - it wasn't a real auction. that is only the opening - the rest is just a sick journalist trying to use MJ's name to get his doc on the BBC
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had a copy of dangerous...some of us were listening to nirvana and sonic youth, and were very happy about the downfall of cock rock and bland pop contrivance... -sam-
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nothing matched - let me repeat that - nothing. Jordan chandler described Michael's stick to cops and drew some picures - Tom Smeddon then released a statement saying "When we have a match we are arresting Mr Jackson" - guess what they didn't arrest him - why, because everything the kid described didn't match. He also said Michael was circumcised - and he wasn't. you really should check your facts
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because i trust my sources... -sam-
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Mike was the best musician and dancer ever. No one made dance music as good as him. I wasn't even born when a lot of his stuff came out but I was lucky enough to know his music before he passed away. I don't believe any of the made up stuff about him I think people just wanted his money and he was a nice guy. A bunch of my friends and I are going to see this and dance in the theater and stuff during the cool songs (they are all cool but some are sad and real danceable). I wish he could make more music and it makes me sad this is the last we will ever get. Mike was the best ever and I feel fortunate to have been a fan.
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and there wasn't even an auction! Unbelieveable!Like I said if some of you guys want a true molester--Roman Polanski is alive and sitting his guilty ass in jail!
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MJ was a victim of both. RIP
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very funny...what does he have to do with anything? it's like saying "well, manson isn't as bad as all that, he never literally killed anyone...ted bundy did! leave manson alone..."
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but, the fact is that he wrote 4 songs on the album including the one with Paul McCartney. Oh yeah, funny when a friend of mine asked none other than, lemme see—QUINCY JONES—what it was like to work with MJ, that's pretty much what he was told. And, that's one jazz performer to the next one.I'm not into the 'name dropping' shite, but I'm exhausted —mind you I saw the movie last night and went out afterwards, so I'm not really in the mood for theoretical debates.
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And anyone who says differently is just a mean green weenie!
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but I prefer Gwen Stacy!
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lol @ pop music. lol @ 'king' of pop.
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Oct 28, 2009 3:12:54 PM CDT
The Fall of the Republic: The Presidency of Barack H. Obama
by spazatronik2000
http://tinyurl.com/yl8wc8z
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Republican propaganda in a MJ thread?
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Gag me.
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he is the true king of pop,behind the king of pop.
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was on channel4. Louis theorux's looking for micheal jackson was on bbc 2. superb. it was and will remain the best documentary made about micheal jackson. louis therouxs scene with joe jackson made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.
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I'd like to lock every Jackson-loving nitwit in a room with only the cds of Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder and Otis Redding and not let them out until they repented. The hyperbole is manufactured and unwarranted. Michael Jackson was a really good dancer, if you like that sort of thing, and an average musician. And, oh yeah, a complete psychological whack-job.Probably a child molester, too.
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1. louis theroux meets jimmy saville..
2. louis theroux meets Eugene Terreblanch.
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Oct 28, 2009 4:28:57 PM CDT
Gotta chuckle everytime I read how "touching" this movie is.
by serious black
Simply the Greatest Pedophile the World Has Ever Known...
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I guess nobody touched him quite like Michael.
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All of musicians you mentioned are legends. Believe it or not one of them consider MJ in his league. With his distinctive voice and range he more than held his own.The 'mystique' he cultivated backfired, apparently making him seem more freakish than he actually was. But, it's unfortunate that the tabloid shit he (indirectly) helped cultivate overshadows his gifts.
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...that he said he saw nothing wrong with grown men sharing their bed with his friends (who happen to be young boys) or that he dangled his kid over a balcony. I will continue to believe he was a legend, despite the fact that, even ignoring the dodgy rumours, there were a lot of dodgy truths to. Or maybe I will just stop believing in absolutes and just believe that somewhere in the middle of this madness is the truth. I'm off to watch "The Jeffersons" which made more sense than any documentary of MJ.
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Oct 28, 2009 4:47:28 PM CDT
I must take umbrage with some of the things being said here...
by dcut75
1. This is not a gift to the fans, it's morbid exploitation for money. Period.
2. Michael Jackson was not a musician, he was an entertainer. If you don't play a musical instrument, you're not a musician.
3. The man was a pedophile. I might have been able to buy the whole "Innocent man-child" thing if not for the fact that he fed young boys vodka before sleeping in the same bed with them, without clothing.
4. Talent does not erase the fact that someone is a monster, no one praises Hitler for being an excellent artist.
5. There are people out who truly did not have a childhood. MJ being an entertainer at an early age does not qualify as "not having a childhood".
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And the man was one of the world's great entertainers. I can understand how it might prove impossible to separate his art from his personal life, and that's valid. But life is complicated, people are complicated, and whatever evils he may or may not have perpetrated died with him. The number of people he inspired with his art--including myself--suggest that he touched one of the "third rails" of artistic communication. He RADIATED something primal and wonderful. So sad what happened to the man. Damn near a picture-perfect example of why you shouldn't let your kids into show business, that's for sure. I'm not going to bother trying to convince the haters: I actually understand your position. But I understand the fans, too. And you won't be disappointed, I promise you. BTW--there was an Avatar coming attraction that kicked ass.
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whatever he wishes concerning "his league" and Michael Jackson. He's earned the right to be sentimental. He's also very, very wrong on this specific issue.And, let's face it - he's been off his piano stool for at least twenty years, too.
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He bought it and paid for it. He named himself "The King of Pop." Even though lots of people got suckered into that title, I doubt he'd've been so-appointed by anyone who is serious about music, "pop" or otherwise.
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The evils he perpetrated did not die with him. The children whose lives he shattered are still every bit as scarred as they were the day before he died. Probably more so now that they are being attacked as victimizers rather than victims and the man is being treated like some Messiah. But hey, they didn't sell a billion albums, so fuck them right?
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Oct 28, 2009 5:15:12 PM CDT
To the fucking the idiot thats trying to dis the 80's?
by hollywoodhellraiser
Some mutherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill!MJ, Madonna, Billy Idol, Sade, Culture Club, Tears For Fears, Van Halen, Bon Jovi, The Jets, Debarge. Corey Hart, Halls and Oats, Cyndi Laupfer, David Bowie, Banarama, Pat Benatar, Twisted Sister, Nena, John Stewart.Phil Collins, Air Supply, Heart, Prince, Weird Al, Journey, Men At Work, Beastie Boys.Bruce Springsteen, Wham, Til Tuesday, John Cougar Mellancamp, Police, INXS, Areosmith...and I still haven't gotten to the halfway point. Before someone talk shit about the 80's music scene they need to get their head outta their asses!
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Hollywood, don't forget Spandau Ballet cos they were gold. GOLD! Always believe in your soul...
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Oct 28, 2009 5:33:27 PM CDT
Mori's review says more about himself than the movie itself
by twiggystar
He's gone too hollywood, and hang wants to be Devin's BFF
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But the movie, who knows?
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If he had gone "hollywood" he'd be pulling a Richard Friedman and declaring this an Oscar-worthy film. He's doing what he always does- gives his honest take. He's pissed on enough people's shoes in tinseltown that it's not worth it for him to become a yes man all of the sudden. I'll call Mori out on his shit if I see it, but his review of THIS IS IT is his own, honest take in my opinion.
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Oct 28, 2009 5:54:12 PM CDT
Didn't Whacky Jax have booked about 44 shows in Daycares---?
by sal_bando
Sold out, from what I understand-
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Couldn't really tell from a list that includes madonna, bon jovi, wham, heart, aerosmith, air supply and some of the other most wretched music ever made.
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This shit looks HOT! the earlier leaked cam recorded footage does NOT do it justice until you see it in clarity! 1080p quicktime gloriously releasing tomorrow at 10 or so I hear. Can't wait! -
I really thought it was great. I cried so much during it. I like that it didn't have interviews and other news footage cut in. That would have just made it like every other news report about Michael. This was meant to be the concert as close to how it would have been had he been able to play those shows. So it's not really a typical documentary and I don't think it was meant to be. It's a concert movie. If you guys remember the Duran Duran movie 'Sing Blue Silver', It's more like that. I truly loved 'This Is It'. And I'm really happy with the way Kenny Ortega presented it.
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This is a rental for me, I liked MJ but not that much. Still, if anyone questions his badassery I got two words chumps...Billie Jean.
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Oct 28, 2009 6:35:36 PM CDT
Time to see a movie about a legendary artist putting on a show
by thelordofhell
Chuck Berry: Hail! Hail! Rock'N'Roll
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it's not Republican propaganda. The whole point is that both parties are controlled by the same powers. Ya I'm spamming but when Wallstreet is sucking out tens of trillions of dollars from the treasury maybe some people should start to wake up to how politics really works in America, because we're sinking fast. It's not the land of fairy tales right vs left you see on t.v. http://tinyurl.com/yl8wc8z The Fall of the Republic: The Presidency of Barack H. Obama. This is the independant, yes right leaning version of Capitalism: a Love Story. The same guy was putting out movies bashing Bush when he was in office.
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Jackson dies at the end!
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GREAT DOCUMENTARY…
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Regardless, I'm sure that there will be some little boys in the audience thankful that they don't have to get hit by any more "MJ Juice."
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...so don't trust anyone over 30.
Of course, they can also remember when MJ was black, had a real nose and actually wanted to someone over the age of 12. -
...so don't trust anyone over 30.
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The one boy who was paid off by MJ actually recanted his story. Said his father put him up to it. And the one time he went to court about it. NOT GUILTY. So leave the dead man alone. Also the concert movie was good. And he did look like death through most of it.
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C'mon..would SATAN lie to you!
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No, indeed let's not fuck them. I meant that whatever harm he was doing he can no longer do. I personally believe there was bad shit going on, and that his wealth and power allowed him to bend the justice system. And if it seems strange that I can simultaneously see his humanity, or praise his skill, well...I contain multitudes. Sue me.
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but since we know how he died and what his room was like...I gotta say the man had problems and doesn't deserve the worship IMO. How can you care about kids so much yet live like he did???
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Oct 28, 2009 8:34:22 PM CDT
Any man who says he doesn't like Michael Jackson is a repressed
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Just like the politicians and the Christian right who scream about homos - but secretly are taking it up the shitter!
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And you don't have to take my word for it. Look it up. Also the guy was messed up in his head. But that does not a Child molester make. I work around Moe's all night. I'm a C.o. and he doesn't give off the molester feel. Molesters have a way about themselves. All around creeps they make my skin crawl. And they always act overly friendly to male staff.
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Christ, what the FUCK is wrong with some of you? The guy had fans, like it or not. He also had children who will benefit from this film. They're not responsible for his sins, and they adore him, and from all reports he was a damn good dad, so I hope this thing makes a million billion bucks. Don't go if you hate the guy. Your choice. Goddess bless America.
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See it twice!
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..it's all fucking hype and who gives a fuck about some shitty dance steps.
What's the deal with people in the front row of his concerts, crying and screaming - LMAO - fuckwits!
The guy is dead, get over it.
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since Media Press said he is,then it must be true.
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Cash milking flick about a dead kiddie fiddler...
Fucking hell, at least Gacy dressed up as a clown and made an effort.
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Oct 29, 2009 12:06:19 PM CDT
Also in the Spiderman frenchfries. Or was it a franchise? Franks
by limpdicksherlock
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Even when it looks and smells like shit, it's still most likely a strawberry cake? Go eat it, then. Oh, too late for that. Rest in pieces, MJ.
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