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The First Eight Minutes of ABC’s Extraterrestrial Lizard-Nazi Remake V Are Online Now!!

I am – Hercules!! In the big “Lost” divorce, “FlashForward” got Charlie and Penny while “V” got Juliet and a couple of “Firefly” stars. Four episodes of ABC's "V" remake will be aired in November starting Nov. 3. Assuming the ratings are not disastrous, the plan is to resume production on more episodes that will air in spring.
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  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Funky 70's Porno Credit Music

    by Dancon7

    Why? This show will suck, BTW.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    V for Velveeta

    by dailysportspages

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    "Dude this IS Indepedence Day...

    by Maniaq

    ...which was a ripoff of any number of Alien Invasion predecessors..." <p> heheh! made me smile

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:55 a.m. CST

    I already hate that teen

    by chien_sale

    I hope he dies in the first episode.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    I want to like it...

    by TiPPiDa

    But it just gives me the HEROES Vibe, and not in a "One good season worth of shows stretched into 4 seasons" feeling, its more of a "if plot points weren't conveniently thrown in and characters weren't idiots the story wouldn't move forward" kind of vibe.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6 a.m. CST


    by alan_poon

    Not being sexist, well I am actually but I hope Juliet isn't the Donovan character in this or they can fuck right off.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Ratings will be less than stellar

    by V'Shael

    and its the fault of the Network. We all know this.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    I do like the porno credits music

    by Maniaq

    needs more of Juliet's cans tho

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

    TiPPida agree

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    I get the same kind of vibe that I get from Flash Forward, from any Emmerich movie. <p> Hope to be proved wrong

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    I suppose this will be diverting but...

    by Denty420

    ... part of the mystique of the original is that at the time, nobody knew what to expect or what it was about until it aired. The fact that the plot won't come as surprise to anyone is all part and parcel of this disease, which has completely infected Hollywood, called remakes.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    as much as I am loathe to admit it...

    by LittleManFromAnotherPlace

    ... this does look actually really bloody good.I like the way it does its own cover version of the alien ships arrival (the plane crashing, the ships reflected in the glass of the buildings, the light in the sky before the face appears) rather than simply ripping off the way it was done in the original or ripping off ID4s cover of the same scene (giant walls crossing the sky casting shadows - still has the best imagery). There are only a couple of things that bug me 1) the ID4 reference - its as if the writers thought - 'people who saw ID4 but didn't see the original V will think we're ripping off Independence Day - how do we handle that? Erm,um -lets make a quick joke out of it & hope people will laugh it off' They needn't have worried about this & should have just not acknowledged Independence Day since they've clearly done their own thing with this scene rather than just rip it off. 2) the line 'Oh God' when the face appears is a bit on the nose. These minor complaints aside - this builds up suspense really well & visually - it looks pretty stunning. Look forward to seeing it

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Um... I dunno....

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    Huge, huge fan of the original (even the weekly series had its guilty charms - Jane Badler in spandex after all) but the original's opening was far more startling. <p> <p> Strange that the version from 25 years ago had the action packed, explosive prologue - whereas the one made in our A.D.D. "must make 'splosions" Noughties is more of a slow burn. <p> <p> Still, as a talkbacker noted above, it works as a sort of "cover version". <p> <p> Probably won't be great, but could be good. I'll miss the red suits and jackboots of the original, Kenneth Johnson's initial two-parter is still chilling in its own way, if a bit heavy-handed at times. But I appreciate this isn't a beat-for-beat remake, and less about a military-political takeover and more about our collective need for idols.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    and -

    by TommyGavinsEgo

    - is that music for real? Seriously?

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I WANT to like this, I really do....

    by Darth_Nader

    But didn't they learn anything from the Lost hiatus a couple years ago? Why 4 eps, then a long break? You can't get any momentum that way. How can a show become a must see, if you can't plan on it being there? Sorry, but this is not going to go well.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Looks like an overturned fishing boat...

    by tangcameo

    ...or some sleek wireless mouse that mated with a Superbowl blimp with a jumbotron.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    So is that supposed to be Toronto or Vancouver?

    by tangcameo

    How many Canadian actors do you see? The guy from Night Heat. The girl from Street Cents.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    If they really want to be Nazi's

    by tangcameo

    Then the Visitors should expose some far reaching conspiracy in the government, but the exposure of one conspiracy is just part of another even bigger conspiracy being planned by the Visitors. What is it Hitler said? The bigger the conspiracy, the more likely people are to believe it.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST

    This needs Michael Ironside

    by deefer

    ..and that fat guy with the beard too

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    This, like Flash Forward

    by NippleEffect

    is a show I'll be skipping<p> Way back when, this was a decent premise for a tv show<br> We've grown beyond space nazis though

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    "Sorry, ma'am

    by MonkMayfair

    but we have to cordon off this area of people from this other area of people for no apparent reason. Maybe if a diversion occurs behind me, you can sneak over unseen to join a different group of people. And maybe you'll run into your son there, it's a small city....." Too much dumb in too little time.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 8:33 a.m. CST

    How it should have been done. (No Nazis)

    by V'Shael

    In the vein of SF making you think, and being counter-culture, they should have avoided all Nazi metaphors, and gone with an Iraqi metaphor. <p> Namely a country/world is invaded by a vastly superior force, the resistance are branded as terrorists, etc... It's foolish to have the aliens fall into such obvious tropes as black/white good/evil. Alien should mean an alien way of thinking. They think they're doing the right thing, we think they should have stayed the fuck out of it, etc... <p> Good SF should make you think.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Why do black women...

    by Franco Begbie

    on American TV have to have pale skin and thin noses. Why are black men allowed to have dark skin and broad noses but not black women?

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    such absolute shit

    by Anything But Tangerines

    who watches network tv any more? god damn what slop

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    QUICK! Hide under....

    by luke_lymon

    ...the 4 ton satellite dish on top of the roof of this 20 story office building where all the glass skyscrapers are! We'll be safe there!

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    they should change them to dog people

    by Horny4Harry

    cause dog spelled backwards is god, then they can rub the super hidden underlying religious faith meaning in my face some more

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    re : Why do black women...

    by NippleEffect

    why are interracial couple on TV always black men and white women? With exceptions of the neighbors on the jeffersons and danny and his girl friend on Soap its always black dewds and white chicks

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by christonomist

    You really think an Iraq metaphor implying our invasion might make us the real bad guys is an original idea? Now?? 2003-4, sure. 2009-10?? Cliche. It's the only allegory Hollywood seems to be able to think of in the last few years.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Horribly bland

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Everybody looks perfect. Pass.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by ZooTrain

    Wasn't too crazy about the pacing. Everything seemed to happen to quickly. They need to take their time with it, let the characters develop. But 90% of the country has ADD, so that won't work. However, I loved the soundtrack at the end. Made exclusively with Garage Band.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    by ZooTrain

    Too* god damn it. Where's the fucking edit feature already!? It's 2009.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    They should show the aliens' lizard form fully within

    by estacado1

    the first 4 episodes or else this is proof that they don't know where they are going with the show.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Where is Marc Singer ?

    by pumaman

    He still looks fucking good for his age. At least give him a cameo..

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That is all.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    ANTOHER FBI SCI FI SHOW!??!?!?!?!?!

    by A G

    WHAT THE FUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I miss the old show

    by Gorgomel

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    8 minutes felt like an hour

    by SwampDonkey

    This series does not have Ham Tyler. Therefore is shit by default.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Not disinterested

    by NudeandAroused

    The eight minutes don't suck. But not a masterpiece either. Will give it a shock.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Yeah get Marc SInger in this! He needs to be a regular!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Anyways, looking forward to this!

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Well, it didn't seem terrible. Going in in with an open mind. The Dude from 4400 looked kind of creepy as a priest.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Hate the design of the mothership.

    by Royston Lodge

    They really should have gone the BSG route and just updated the original designs.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    V: A nice to cash in one last time

    by shutupfanboy

    I think it will have a great first week of ratings and crash out like flashforward is doing. I already heard from a person who saw the first episode that it moves way too fast for a series. They should have done it as a mini-series like the first one. They didn't learn their lesson 20 years ago when the V: series was canned.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    The original V was great for 4 hours

    by MrD

    Good for another 4, sucked thereafter. This V needs to worry less about pulling the "surprise" of the first series (though many will not be familiar) and instead about maintaning a story for the long haul. And like Galactica, its ok to reference current events but avoid being tied down by them. Reach for timeless themes rather than a simple Nazi, al Quieda or Iraq metaphor.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by alice133

    they arent friendly. they want to take over the earth. <p>someone call mannix.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST


    by stupid_username5143x39


  • Oct. 24, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    RE: Why do black women...

    by The E

    Few reasons... 1) Blacks tend to have, what society would consider, more “masculine features” than other ethnic groups. Therefore the males tend to be more sought after than the females. Visa versa for Asians, where their race tends to have more feminine features, which is why females are more sought after...hence more instances of White guys w/ Asian girls, Black guys w/ White girls. 2) "Tall, dark, handsome" preference points women towards darker toned men, as men vie for "Shorter, fairer, hot", leading men, in generally, to fairer skinned women. Asked a professor in one of my Archaeology classes about this and he told me there's no firm theory. He said one popular theory suggests that women who tend to stay indoors and care for kids would typically be fairer skinned, thus more sought after than those roaming about...and men who work hard and are outside more would tend to get darker skin, making them more sought after. All these are generalizations, granted, but growing up in a family with White Dad and Black Mom (atypical), we’ve always had strong interest in learning about interracial matters.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    RE: Why do black women...

    by The E

    RE: Why do black women... <p> Few reasons... <p> 1) Blacks tend to have, what society would consider, more “masculine features” than other ethnic groups. Therefore the males tend to be more sought after than the females. Visa versa for Asians, where their race tends to have more feminine features, which is why females are more sought after...hence more instances of White guys w/ Asian girls, Black guys w/ White girls. <p> 2) "Tall, dark, handsome" preference points women towards darker toned men, as men vie for "Shorter, fairer, hot", leading men, in generally, to fairer skinned women. Asked a professor in one of my Archaeology classes about this and he told me there's no firm theory. He said one popular theory suggests that women who tend to stay indoors and care for kids would typically be fairer skinned, thus more sought after than those roaming about...and men who work hard and are outside more would tend to get darker skin, making them more sought after. <p> All these are generalizations, granted, but growing up in a family with White Dad and Black Mom (atypical), we’ve always had strong interest in learning about interracial matters.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It's because some white people are still threatened by black men and get freaked out if they see an intimidating Negro stealing one of Their Women.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    The E

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    That sounds like crazy talk to me

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    There are alot of darker black women on TV...

    by MattmanBegins

    Like... um... uh... that one chick... on... aw fuck.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    i hate this show already

    by 420 Boylston St

    every cliche done in the last 20 years is spilled on this retread, but lacks the simplicity of the NBC series. I think this show is not made for me. Boring characters all around.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I'd give the clip a B-

    by veritasses

    On the positive side, it was and is a good premise for TV, I like most of the actors (though still have to see how they're used) and there were some decent shots and effects.<BR><BR> On the negative side, they need to put a lot more effort into the writing. There are other issues beyond the writing, but genearlly speaking, it's hard to fault the other stuff if the writing isn't there.<BR><BR> To start off on the criticisms, that was a standard, by-the-book, uninteresting, unimaginitive way of starting a show and introducing the characters. I know they started with the "Where were you when..." and preceded to show where each of the characters where "when" but the result is rather boring and this isn't a show about "where were you when." And 95% of what we learn about the characters in these first 9 minutes is irrelevent at this point. There's no energy or momentum in learning who everyone is but you can create momentum by making the audience wonder who they are. There's no reason why a story that involves an Alien invasion can't grab us from the get go. <BR><BR> Better would've been to introduce them in stages, in action and paced so we get to know them slowly over time based on relevent situations to the plot. Maybe (out of what we saw in the first 9 minutes) start with the jet crashing. It's something thrilling and creates a small "mystery" surrounding the jet as well as the character we know nothing about. This is enough momentum to push us forward to the next scene or two. <BR><BR> They also need to tighten things up and cut out a lot of fat like when the woman's flipping through the channels. That was poorly done and unnecessary. And I don't need to see how each and every one of the characters reacts to watching things shake and fall.<BR><BR> The extras are poorly used and shot. All the crowd scenes come off as fake/staged giving the show a cheap quality. And there was the usual "that doesn't make sense" stuff like how fast the national guard was mobilized or why the two men started slugging away at each other etc.<BR><BR> The music was unobtrusive but maybe too much so. I don't need to hear John Williams but something that better enahances the moment would've been nice. Lighting was mostly fine.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    S. Epatha Merkerson

    by Turingtestee

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    V will not be victorous

    by WIBoomer1

    I have to agree, this sucks monkey balls.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Hint - the acting in this one is even worse

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The V and V Final Battle miniseries in the 80's had some stellar acting, but resting your entire show on an unknown from Firefly is risky.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    C.C. Pounder

    by Creative1

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Reptoids = Republicans

    by DickBallsworth

    Believe it, folks.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Where the hell's Will Smith in this?!?

    by MrMysteryGuest

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    To the guy asking about Black women

    by TiPPiDa

    and the whole Black guy/White woman relationship... there's a little known independent show called "LOST" that has a White male character and a female Black character who are married.<p> There are two things I liked about these 8 minutes:<P>1) its good to see FATHER "BOBBY JONES" getting work, (all that we need now is Cardinal WALTER HAGAN, and we'd have a cool BAGGER VANCE reunion), <P>2)and everytime I see "Juliette" I'm taken back to GIA when she gets nekkid and makes out with Angelina Jolie.... (Does anyone else think she and Carrie Anne Moss were separated at birth?). <P>Other than that, it looked decidedly "meh", and how the EFF does Scott Wolf still get work?!?! he should have never worked in the business again after that McDonalds commercial.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    On the TV show Flash Forward

    by lockesbrokenleg

    An asian man is dating a Black Woman. Also just in the new Star Trek movie you had Spock, yeah a Vulcan, but the actor is white, dating Uhura.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    This isn't even close to as good as Flash Forward...

    by blhotz

    ...but I'll at least watch the first episode!

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    V for Velveeta

    by NippleEffect

    Processed cheese food (not even real cheese)

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    V For Vendetta

    by lockesbrokenleg

    God that movie sucked.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    A few mistakes already

    by daggor

    The obvious "Oh-no-that-crucifix-is-gonna-fall-on-that-guy" symbolism could have been toned down for better effect. Juliet shouldn't have found her son in the first 8 minutes. Build some tension, why don'tcha? Just-bought-a-ring guy could have at least started to run to help the fallen pilot. So, this guy is not a hero? The journalists don't even go for a camera?

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    It had my interest piqued but I'm hedging my bets

    by gmanca

    Everyone knows they are aliens, so it's smart to have Earth aware of them right away. The key is to either have faction fights with in the Visitors as well as outside alien races or to go with the resistance/terrorist angle. If this was in great hands, it would have both, allowing the "inter-species struggle for Life" dichotomy to have a real impact as opposed to an "Oh I see what you did there" failure.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by Rogue Trooper

    I hear the bottoms of barrels being scraped. Unless ABC bring a new twist or idea to V this idea is still-born.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Why 8 minutes? Because Jettl93

    by BillboeFett

    talked ABC up from 6, yo. God bless Jettl93

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    V vs. Flashforward

    by Willyer Hero

    Flashforward thinks a good concept makes up for poor writing and acting. V already looks WAY better than FF.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    It's tiny

    by aversiontherapy2

    How make picture bigger.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    V for lizard Vaginas

    by Chakraborty

    Humans mating with lizards...that's why many will tune into V...their biggest demographic will be iguana owners.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST


    by Rand92

    <p>Did some of you even watch the trailers? I don't think this is going to be about Nazis. It looks like it is going to be about blind faith and almost god-like worship of a higher power they know nothing about. Most of the people who populate this site wont like that by default since it essentially is attacking the current state of government and people's reaction to it.</p> <p>BTW, V-Shael, you're description of the Iraq war way up the board list offended me so much I had to say something down here. If that is what you think the Iraq war is all about, that Al-Qaeda are just resistance or freedom couldn't be more offended or sickened by a post.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by Rand92

    I kind of liked it. I loved the original and still watch it every year during the summer. This looks to me to have a different vibe to it. More in tune with what is going on now rather than Nazis. I also like that they credited Kenneth Johnson.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    re interacial discussion

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    If anyone here downloads from torrents , download "john safran race relations", I am a caucasian guy married to a Japanese woman so also very interested

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    The end credit "porn music"...

    by Cheif Brody

    Was laughable to say the least...and is, in fact, just a generic music library track available for purchase anywhere. I have used that exact same cut on some of the vids I have worked on (as early as the late 90's, BTW. It's an oldie, too!). This track is probably NOT music offically used in the show...just tacked on to the credits of this 8 min preview. But still...there are TONS of generic tracks they could have used that would have been more fitting for the mood they just spent 8 mins setting up. Even a low drone with some ominous drum hits would have been a better choice. <p> BTW...a lot of these "8 Min" previews are cut down versions of the actual 8 minutes that will see air. It's likely there were probably some shots clipped from this preview. <p> Having to kids mention "Independence Day" only serves to remind me that "ID" already did this scenario...and far better. And "District 9" has completely stolen this premise's a far more believable fashion. <p> I don't see "V" making it to the spring at all. Anybody remember "Invasion"? ABC is retreading their own "retreads"! They are desperate to find SOMETHING that will capture LOST's audience before we all say "adios" next May. I think ABC is failing to realize that LOST was lightning in a bottle. And simply putting our favorite LOST actors in these new roles is NOT going to keep us watching. ABC better start thinking about STORY and not CASTING if they want to find a decent LOST replacement. Quite frankly, I don't think they ever will. <p> If "V" & "FlashForward" tank...get ready for "The Jimmy Kimmel Show" on at 10pm.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    FF already got picked up for the full season

    by lockesbrokenleg

    And V is airing in two blocks. First two episodes air now, and the rest air after The Olympics.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Flashforward is terrible

    by Willyer Hero

    Biggest disappointment of the season.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Not as entertaining as the original

    by happyboy

    But what else is new? by The E. 1) Anthropomorphically speaking more masculine features are things like supraorbital torus and developed jawline, it's not a subjective measure there are biological features in primates which establish "masculinity" for the opposite sex. Big lips and wide noses like blacks have are not "masculine" features. Not sure where you're getting that from. In terms of musculature, whites have more than blacks, although blacks have more fast twitch. 2) "Tall, dark and handsome" has nothing to do with black skin, it has to do with dark coloring of hair and eyes aka "Black Irish" in England where the phrase came to be. I dont know what kind of 2 bit "archeology" professor lectures about sociology but societies with a preference for light skin have it very strongly in both sexes. Both light skinned females and light skinned males are considered more attractive in those societies, even when both sexes spent time outside like in bush societies. It has nothing to do with staying indoors (lmao) and probably has to do with the fact that melanin in the body increases after infancy... eye and hair coloring darken as you age, fair skin and light coloring being evocative of infancy and fertility and therefore attractive is one theory. The stronger theory is that there's simply a natural evolutionary human preference for light skin, just as there is for slim women and tall men since that preference exists pretty much anywhere people have dark skin.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Ain't it funky now?

    by BurnHollywood

    "V! Ha, yeah, al-l-l-l-ll right. That's the way that it is, unh-huh. God- God- God-, uh, God-DAMN. V! Shit yeah. That's uh how it's a gonna be now people. Aw-w-w-w-w right..."<p> Almost fell out of my chair LMAO.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    by mynamesdan

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Juliet's Cans

    by mynamesdan

    this is already twice as good as flashforward, which is already twice as stupid as 24. <p> god damn i love juliet's cans!

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    It shouldn't be titled "V" ...

    by HongKongCavalier

    It should've been "Y" ... as in "wtf did this need to be remade" I did like the jab at Independence Day. I was one of the jerks in the theatre who said: "Did they just use the spaceship footage from "V"?"

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Morris Chestnut, if that's your REAL name!!!

    by YackBacker

    So, did you buy the engagement ring or not? You woke up that jeweler mighty early, bro!

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Imagine if the aliens used Gary Busey as their spokes-lizard

    by YackBacker

    A big, toothy Busey peering down Earth, smiling through a coke-addled haze. So much more unexpected than some hot chick, and infinitely more entertaining to watch people absorb that turn of events!

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 5:59 a.m. CST

    aversiontherapy2 to make it bigger

    by SisterSpooky

    Just click on it first to play it then click on the ABC bit of the clip then it'll take you to the ABC V promo site. There you'll have a bigger screen to watch it.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 6:23 a.m. CST

    "vastly superior force" - heh - that made me laugh

    by Maniaq

    the whole "Nazi" thing in the original wasn't just a penchant for orange and black colour schemes... <p> there were TWO very important things going on, which underlined the whole point of the exercise (as in what they were trying to achieve with the show, beyond entertaining some people) - the first was the PROPAGANDA war the Visitors waged on SCIENTISTS, analogous to JEWS in Hitler's Germany, because they were their biggest threat (indeed, who came up with the Red Dust?) and the other was more subtle - I daresay perhaps too subtle but maybe not... <p> in Nazi Germany, if you didn't get along with your neighbour, you could pick up the phone and call the SS and anonymously "inform" them you suspect him to be a Jew-sympathiser and the next day the problem with your neighbour just mysteriously disappeared... ORDINARY taxpaying Godfearing redblooded people WILLINGLY joined in and basically enabled atrocities they themselves would have condemned others for perpetrating BECAUSE THAT IS IN OUR NATURE <p> I don't know about worship and idolatry and all that, but this remake most definitely seems to be going down the RECRUITMENT path the original used so well to remind us how easily we give up our fellow man, for very little in return... <p> there was a famous experiment done many years ago, where volunteers were lead to believe they were indirectly responsible for delivering (potentially fatal) electric shocks to innocent people in another room. the experiment was designed in such a way that the only prompting they received was a simple request by the "scientist" in charge to "please continue" - that's all! just "please continue the experiment" - very few people actually refused - they were able to successfully hand over responsibility (in their minds) to the "scientist" for whatever happened and convinced themselves they were simply following orders... <p> now THAT is the part of what happened in Iraq that is the same as what happened in Occupied Europe that is the same as what happened in V - and will no doubt happen again, in V <p> <br> it is a lesson I suspect we will never ever learn, no matter how many times anything gets remade

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    wow not everyone can be like SGU i guess

    by DioxholsterReturns

    this is shit.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Maniaq--- i learned that lesson

    by DioxholsterReturns

    after i delivered several electric shocks to that guy i realized man i should like stop or something coz my fingers are getting tired man, sheeesh. but in all earnest, why are you such an anti-war person? Iraq was important, we got one less dictator to worry about. i think what you mean is the atomic bomb sent to hiroshema, those scientists were nuts and were totally delusional.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 7:16 a.m. CST

    The Original Wasn't that Great

    by AngrySnowMonkey

    Go back and watch--it doesn't hold up. Sure it was exciting back in the days of 3 networks, Cagney and Lacey, Murder She Wrote and Simon & Simon...but it was mostly stupid and fairly piss poor on story. It won't find a footing in today's market. Ditto A-Team movie.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 7:33 a.m. CST

    The E

    by Chakraborty

    You're dead on. Good post.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    its another premise that should be on cable

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    also glad I wasn't the only one thinking why was he buying jewelry so early in the morning.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST

    To Be Honest I Kind Of Liked It!

    by Real Deal

    The jet fighter was a nice touch. The people looked much like the types they had in the old series. I lked the fact that the ship didn't simply look like a flying saucer. It held my interest throughout the 8 min clip. I'll give it a chance Bucka wow, bucka wow.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    YackBacker, jesus dude.....

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    That would have to be the most terrifyingly hellish imagery ever. The 80ft Busey telling you to stay calm has warped my little mind.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Why watch?

    by Tigermyth36

    It is pretty clear the network has no faith in this series. 4 episodes? Why even get interested when the chance of cancellation is so high?

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Why are the Networks Afraid of Sci-Fi?

    by fedrich519

    The way ABC has treated this show it is already doomed.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    4 episodes in the can........and that's it folks!

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    After seeing the start, it's frustrating. Joel Gretsch deserves a real long-running success, the guy is a great genre actor. This doesn't look like it's going to be it, though. I love the original V mini-series, I even liked the tv show for what it was but I'm not one to think any of it can't be bettered - it's a great story that's most definately able to be updated in a great way. This looks pretty bad though. Too many of those swooping tracking shots. Too fast into the story with no sense of dread - that stupid TV moment about Independance Day just had me groaning in pain. The over the top symbolism of the cross falling due to their arrival just killed it, it had slipped within 4 minutes to a parody of the original with that. I hope it gets better. I hope I'm wrong and it's great. It looks like shit right now though and I'll be very surprised if more than those 4 existing episodes ever get filmed.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    ufo hysteria

    by misterfurly

    youll be seeing a lot of "V" style stuff and other propaganda, 2009 was the highest record of seeing ufo's on record, somethin is definitely happening, go here

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Sci Fi should pick this up

    by lockesbrokenleg

    They'll need a show when Stargate flops.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    No Mr. Furley,

    by V'Shael

    what we see is a bunch of conspiratards spreading more and more bullshit in the run up to the big non-event, 2012. <p> Same sort of retarded shit was done for comet Hale-Bopp, and for 1999, 2000 and 2001. Some people never fucking learn, and there's a generation of suckers being born every few years to replace the ones who finally get a clue.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    @ Rand92 re Iraq freedom fighters metaphor...

    by DickBallsworth

    It's a pretty solid comparison, only I'd add the caveat that Iraq Taliban = American Rightwingers, which helps validate the fact that the majority of the Iraqis were all about ousting the invading force (us) while the truly evil groups within that whole used the invasion to their advantage, aka recruitment. So if we take that and parallel it with aliens invading the world (focus on the US) with a sizable number of our citizenry rising up to fight, it totally works. You can't demonize all Iraqis for the attitudes of some of their more extremist citizens. At least, I hope you can't. :)

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    As long as we get to see....

    by MasterShake

    Morena Baccarin in a skin-tight lizard outfit, i'll be there. Grrrrrr.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    As long as someone says, "That's a bad waste of luggage"

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I'm in.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    As long as a Visitor scarfs down a live guinea pig...

    by Skraggo

    I'm in.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Why I love reading talkbacks

    by JacksParasites

    8 minutes into the first episode and the show's already been classified as total crap. That 8 minutes was better than most of the 1st season of Buffy. You guys crack me up.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    Welcome to AICN,<P>Where its 'cool' to be contrary.<P>Check out the AVATAR TB, more fun awaits.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 9:56 p.m. CST


    by replica

    i'm writing this in lower case because that's how much enthusiasm i have for seeing that. that is too truly horrible for words. if you can't reach your audience in the first 8 minutes why waste another 80?

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Will wait for reviews and info

    by FrodoFraggins

    Given the fact that the network shut down production on the series at one point, I'm hesitant to commit to watching this show if it's destined to die a quick death.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST


    by Supermans

    Why are you comparing the Iraq war with Nazi Germany in your post? Your whole point about the scientific experiment and why a whole country can simply take orders from their superiors without question does not apply to the United States Military's all volunteer army whom most agree with the premise of taking out an evil dictator before he became as dangerous as Hitler with nukes and WMD's down the road. Do you believe the United States shouldn't have entered into WWII and taken out Hitler and the Japanese who were hellbent on world domination? You cannot be in favor of entering into WWII and be against taking out Saddam Hussein. These evil dictators are fighting a war with the US by proxy. Giving or selling weapons to terrorists (Islamic, whomever) who also seek to destroy us. What they don't realize is those terrorists will come after them once their goal is accomplished as well.. Ultimately this V remake looks stupid already. Yes, the special effects look great, however what made the original show cool was we hadn't seen that high end quality models on TV quite like the miniseries. Remember Star Wars was big back then as well and for a TV show, the idea was quite amazing and fresh. These aliens in this new remake may look a whole lot better, but it is Marc Singer and Robert Englunds performances which really made the show work. I just don't know if I can feel the same thing about these characters. Especially if they switch around the roles of the reporters. It is more believable with a tough guy character. Just my two cents.

  • Oct. 25, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Wow, it's so fun to watch a TV series the size of a

    by lockesbrokenleg

    postage stamp.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Nazis?? Didn't you mean Republicans?

    by Uncle Stan

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST


    by Maniaq

    does the name Abu Ghraib ring a bell? <br> btw, I'm talking about HUMAN nature, not American or Japanese or Russian or whatever - suicide bombers are a CLASSIC example of the "not my call" guilt-avoidance that the Milgram Experiment highlights. <p> Same sort of thing went on in Bosnia, too btw<p> Did you ever hear about the Stanford prison experiment? You can arbitrarily pick ordinary citizens (or select from a volunteer army if that makes a difference to you) and randomly appoint them to the role of prisoner and guard. <p> Sit back and watch these COMPLETELY RANDOM people tear each other apart, after just a few days - even though they never even met before and have absolutely nothing against each other beyond the fact they were arbitrarily assigned opposing roles in a FAKE scenario... <p> hell, we see something not all that different in flame wars on these here talkbacks every day!

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    im am watching this

    by GavinVanDraven

    but trying to not get too attached to the idea of the series sticking around. i hope it doesnt go the "surface" or "invasion" route... that was a good summer of sci-fi... i was pissed when those shows were dropped. fuck, what hope is there when terminator only lasted 2 seasons...

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    The cops should be saying "Back off, nothing to see here"

    by cookylamoo

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Hi Earth creatures! We're aliens.

    by AsimovDiedOfAIDS

    But FRIENDLY Aliens! We're here in our giant HDTV spaceships to help you out. To prove we're nice, look on the screen. It's our ambassador to you guys. What a hottie, right guys? And gals, isn't her hairdo just to die for? She's pretty, but not threatening, huh ladies? Well, anyway, we're just gonna start solving your energy crisis and cure all your diseases and uh... this planet has rodents on it, right? Just askin' is all.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, forget that ID4 crap.

    by AsimovDiedOfAIDS

    Why the fuck would we travel 100 light years to blow up the Capital Records building, right? Oh! And we can assure you... Keanu Reeves is NOT one of us. Sorry, but you guys are solely to blame for that one, sorry. Now uh... about all the rodents. We uhm... need 'em all sent up to do, uhhhh... scientific research.. yeah, research... all the disease curing and all, ya know.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    We have come to steal Michael Bay!

    by cookylamoo

    We love movies with great big explosions.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST


    by Supermans

    In your first post, you make some good observations of the original V miniseries. I do have to disagree with you on your take of the "guilt avoidance" path that suicide bombers take. It is far deeper than that as they are trained with propaganda from a very early age to want to commit suicide in order to achieve their goal in life. Now, in other cases some bombers are doing it to protect their family as they have been threatened that if they do not blow themselves up where they are told, their family would be killed. The mistake you are making is bunching up an entire group into "psychological" categories in order to fit whatever argument you are trying to make. Good and Evil, right and wrong, emotions and survival instincts. All these things play a roll in human nature. Complete hatred towards other groups is something that can be as simple or complex as the child grows up. In certain cases,like you pointed out, people will do terrible things to others if they feel the blame falls on someone else. However in the case of suicide bombers and other groups, it isn't always the case. V worked as a miniseries because it showed an evil group of aliens that needed to kill humans for food and destroy the planet for water so they could survive and move on to another planet to continue surviving. However within the aliens is a small group (fifth column) that did not want to see the aliens do this) And there were freedom fighters on the ground who could see thru the lies and deception. The aliens can be viewed as the dictatorial communist/fascist mindset while Donovan and his team can be viewed as the conservative freedom fighter who wants to topple the evil and restore freedom to America. I compare the struggle conservatives today are having with the liberals in power today in America. (in a lighter sense ofcourse) With the struggle the conservatives are facing fighting Obama's propagandist agenda leaving out his real views about a "public option" for healthcare and the current fight against the only opposing media towards the current administration. Silencing talk radio thru the fairness doctrine and not giving Fox news journalistic credibility the day after a secret meeting was held with three opinion journalists in the Obama White House..Olberman and Madow.. Even you liberals can see the hypocrisy going on there... And the danger of giving too much power to any one group.... It will be intersting to see how the lizards in this new iteration act like the current administration and if the liberal writers will cop out and say it is supposed to be the Bush administration and not

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST


    by Uridium

    SO their spaceships transform into HDTVs? Pretty cool.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Pilot Review

    by thorin01

    I saw the complete pilot at Comic-Con back in July. Here was the review I wrote up at the time. The first part is general and contains no real spoilers. The later part (which will be noted) contains some serious spoilers). For those of you who don’t remember, V first appeared in 1984 as a miniseries about a group of aliens who come to Earth. At first the Visitors seem friendly and look human. But we soon learn they are actually evil lizard like creatures that like to lunch on human flesh. The mini was successful enough to spawn a second miniseries and a one season series. The new V is a complete remake (or ‘reimage’ in the new parlance). First impression. The show has potential. At least enough to make me want to see the next couple of episodes to see where it goes. The pilot itself has a few flaws that detract from the overall feel. The biggest single problem is that pilot comes across as very rushed. They basically crammed a 2-3 hour story into a 1 hour pilot. The writing also tends towards telling us what is happening rather than showing us what is happening. For example, the Visitors arrive on the scene in the first five minutes of the show. This is a big mistake. They should have spent at least 20-30 minutes setting up the pre-visitor world. A lot of the characters make a big deal later in the episode about how the Visitors timing is so perfect. This is a major plot element on the show and used to justify much of what happens later in the pilot. The world was teetering on the brink before the Visitors arrived. But no sense of this is given in the show itself. You basically get ordinary people doing ordinary things. There’s a brief news blip about a second stimulus package but that’s it. What they should have done was set that up at the beginning. Have the lead characters commenting on desperate world events (new wars pending in the Middle East, another nuke test in N Korea etc). Show some news reports of bad economic times, comments/news footage on rioting. Have more homeless in the streets. In other words don’t just say the world is in desperate straits, SHOW us a world in desperate straits. The FX is solid (by TV standards) but one does get a feel that the show has a VERY strict budget and it is being closely monitored. There are no WOW moments after the initial appearance of the motherships (the interior shot during the tour comes the closest). There is also a key point at the end where some FX probably should have used but a budget approach is used instead. The acting for the most part is OK. Most of the leads do a good job. Elizabeth Mitchell’s Erica Evans is a strong female lead. She does good with FBI stuff. I liked the investigation aspect of the show. Joel Gretsch plays a priest trying to reconcile the Visitors with God’s plan. Surprisingly this doesn’t come across as either too preachy or overly pious. If they manage to keep this balance they could have the best portrayal of religious characters in sci-fi since Babylon Five went off the air. Scott Wolf is still Scott Wolf. He does a passable job as the career conscious reporter. The gorgeous Morena Baccarin does a wonderful job as the alien leader. And our good friend Alan Tubyk does usual fun job as Erica’s partner Dale. The rest of cast did not leave much of an impression on me other than the son, who was bit annoying. But that’s how the character is written so I can’t really blame the actor. (Minor spoilers from this point forward) As mentioned the story in the pilot feels VERY rushed. After the Visitors arrive we flash forward a couple of weeks time and the Visitors already set up healing centers, regular tours to the mother ships etc etc. It feels rushed. There is no transitional period. Again this would have worked better if the show had done a better job setting up the pre-Visitor world. Demonstrated WHY everyone was so ready to reach for the outstretched hands of the Visitors. The other problem comes when it is hinted (MAJOR SPOILER) that the Visitors have been to Earth before and have manipulated events to ease their arrival. Again this would have worked better had the pre-arrival world been better established at the beginning. They could even have hinted at this better during the set–up. Another strike is that I’m not a big fan of ‘every bad thing happens because of a conspiracy’ plot. It’s lets us poor stupid humans off the hook for our own mistakes. Again the pilot did do its job, in that I want to see more. But the writing needs to improve. More showing less telling.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    So, it's like the US and Africa....

    by cookylamoo

    We show up, promise them food and medicine and then wind up sucking out all their oil.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I hear Juliet is going to be a regular on Dollhouse...

    by MJohnson

    Har har. Just kidding...

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    @Thorin1 : Thanks for that review.

    by V'Shael

    I hadn't come across any real reviews yet, so that was quite welcome. I was expecting worse, but hoping for better. Based on your review, I'll scale down my hopes and hopefully enjoy it for what it is.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I was thinking how much I hated that WWE style 'titontron'....

    by baaba_pappa

    when the music kicked in and I realised it is actually a spoof. Cool!

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    This show could be great

    by RainesMaker

    If it ran with the Obama subtext. But it wont. They already pulled/changed one of the commercials where she was talking about providing healthcare. It smacked of the false claims we are getting noow from our government.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah yeah, Obama sux, blah, blah, blah

    by AsimovDiedOfAIDS

    At least he's a little better than his predecessor, The Idiot King. Those 8 years were like living in the last 10 or fifteen issues of Grant Morrison's old Doom Patrol comic written during the height of one of his infamous psychodelic drug benders. You know, the issues where the series had long since stopped making any sense whatsoever, everyone wore miniature cathedrals for hats or had faucets sticking out of their foreheads and reading them just sort of really creeped you out.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST


    by Supermans

    I think the show would have potential if the visitors used a similar approach to the Obama administration in trying to include a public option but saying they really don't want one...But then they discuss renaming the public option to something else in order to fool people since the name itself has lost It is funny the network is so liberal that they have to pull a fictional commercial about the aliens providing

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by Supermans

    Cmon...You gotta admit Nancy Pelosi could pass as an alien.. Her mouth could stretch open just as much as Badlers did eating the

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Maniaq: Independence Day Ripped-Off The Original V

    by Media Messiah

    V came first. It was a popular mid 80s mini-series on NBC which spawned a hit sequel mini-series and then a not so popular tv series. Independence Day ripped V off, from top to bottom...and side to side, not the other way around.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Maniaq: I Get The Joke

    by Media Messiah

    I just saw the clip after I posted. Ignore my posting.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Franco Begbie: Racists...Run TV

    by Media Messiah

    Why has there been no Black Bachelor on ABC's The Bachelor reality show? And you'll notice this with other dating shows. They don't like racial mixing. I find iit interesting that we have a mixed race President, and yet Disney Corp/ABC refuses to allow a Black man to be The Bachelor on their show...and people like Obama and Oprah say nothing about it, and the obvious racist practice, therein? Save for some cable reality dating shows, ones that make Black men look like buffoons, you won't see it. Both are bad, because one circumstance is nothing but racial apartheid, catering to the racist fear of Black men, and the other, wishes people to remain comfortable with racial stereotypes of Black men...instead of showing successful, caring, and well educated Black men.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Independence Day didn't rip off V.

    by V'Shael

    If it ripped off anything, it ripped off the War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells, just updating the concept of a virus being their downfall. <p> V had infiltration, subversion, take-over, resistance and victory. Independence Day... had lots of explosions, Wil Smith, and hilarious dialog. Aside from their both using the "virus" defence, they have remarkably little in common.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Sick of Nazi/Republican comparisons

    by nyj_et

    The National Socialist movement was always a left-wing movement. Go read a book. Aside from the ethnic genocide angle, their values reflected much of what you see on the left to this day. Not even comparing Nazis to Democrats, just saying the comparison to Republicans has no basis in fact. At all.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by nyj_et

    The nod to "V" in "ID4" was the big saucer-shaped motherships hovering over major cities. I'd say the comparisons end there.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 2:11 p.m. CST

    @nyj_et : Sure that's a similar image

    by V'Shael

    but I was responding to the ridiculous claim that ID4 ripped off V completely, from top to bottom.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    lizard nazis? you mean David Icke?

    by BadMrWonka

    and please, I DARE someone to try to defend that nutjob...

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    please, please do expand on that premise sir. I am intrigued. some of the hallmarks of early Nazi policy (, fierce patriotism, censorship, bigotry, an intolerance of homosexuality) seem more in common with extreme right-wing ideas in America today. I'd love to know what similarities the Nazis had with current left-wingers.<p>but be careful...AICN tolerates a lot of right-wing, I mean...."ideas". but if you're at all Nazi-friendly, you might get Das Boot.<p>also, and this is just an aside....there's just something about your writing style that smacks of a conspiracy theory devotee. be honest...moon landing a hoax? 9/11? etc. drop the knowledge, because I have you pegged as an Alex Jones I right?

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    PSA for the colorblind

    by Batwing5

    The girl with Morris Chestnut is clearly of mixed race or Hispanic decent. Besides ALL women love our (Black Men) large cocks. That is all.

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    V dealt with aliens a little more realistically than ID4

    by lockesbrokenleg

    But V STILL failed in the fact that with all their tech, the lizards needed water and food. They had spacecraft the size of cities, but couldn't figure out how to manufacture water or to farm animals, apparently.

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST

    hey Supermans

    by Maniaq

    not sure if you're still reading but, hey, I think we have been talking about different things. <p> once again, I am NOT talking about America or ANY POLITICAL PARTY in ANY country, for that matter. <p> I am talking about ordinary people - the "man on the street" - who not only go along with what they know (if only deep down) to be a dodgy regime but will happily play the game and exploit the system to their own benefit and the detriment - possibly DEATH - of their fellow man. Ordinary people. Not soldiers. Not politicians. <p> This across ALL racial/cultural/ideological/whatever boundaries - there is nothing "good" or "evil" going on here - it is simply HUMAN nature. <p> -and V was very much about showing this rather ugly facet of you and me - and it's a lot more complex than just "fascists" marching in step in their jackboots or whatever. It's people actually believing the hype and saying "the scientists" are not to be trusted. It's about COLLABORATORS joining the regime - like in Vichy France - in exchange for favourable treatment. <p> selling out their neighbours <p> their friends <p> their FAMILY <p> <br> sure you can make a lizards comparison according to your favourite political agenda, but I wasn't talking about the lizards...

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST


    by nyj_et

    What? The left can't be fierce patriots as well? Without boring anyone to death, The National Socialist Party (Nazis) had the following in common with the Left: Free Healthcare Pro-Abortion Pro-Euthanasia Pro-Gun Control A loathing of the free market Generous pensions for the elderly Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine, in fact, Hitler himself was a strict vegetarian and Himmler a staunch animal rights activist. This is not to say Democrats are genocidal would-be world conquerers. I'm simply saying, as a conservative, that I'm sick of the comparisons made by the Left of Republicans to National Socialism, especially since it has more in common with the Left. Think the left isn't down with censorship? Look right now at what the Obama White House is attempting to do with Fox News. I'll agree that bigotry and and intolerance for homosexuality are terrible. I'll also say that they are incompatible with modern conservatism, and The Republican Party. Forgive my ignorance, but I know nothing of Alex Jones, except that he's on the radio. I listen to Howard Stern. What of my writing smacks of conspiracy theory devotion? 9/11 was clearly a conspiracy of muslim extremists, where planes were hijacked and rammed into the WTC, Pentagon and one attempted to ram the White House. Moon landing? I have no doubt that Mankind's Greatest Acheivement happened as it was seen live on TV. I also truly believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of JFK. I really do.

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Not appearing on a news network..

    by lprothro a far cry from censorship. Besides W did the exact same thing with MSNBC. Obama actually did a handful of Fox interviews while he was campaigning.

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    More than just "not appearing"

    by nyj_et

    his spokespeople are very vocal, labeling it "not a news organization", all this while having a private meeting with Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. Could you imagine if Bush had a private (they'd start calling it a "secret") meeting with Beck and Hannity?

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Also, Bush never boycotted NBC

    by nyj_et

    just MSNBC. Obama spokespersons will no longer be appearing on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, who's been extremely fair to this Administration.

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Also, if you attend a "Tea Party"

    by nyj_et

    or vocally disagree with The President, you run the risk of being labled a "racist". This is a form of censorship. Make no mistake.

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by lprothro

    Umm, MSNBC is what I said in my post. As I've difference. And that's not censorship. His cabinet isn't monitoring the content of the Fox news network, if so THAT would be censorship.

  • Oct. 28, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Today's censorship

    by nyj_et

    is going to be laid out in a much different way. This administration will attempt to shut up it's critics by accusing them of "hate speech" or marginalizing them as "tabloid/entertainment/opinion journalism". And because they're the authority, many people will believe them. And if you're already an Obama fan, well then they're just preaching to the choir. Not monitoring Fox News? Better believe they are.

  • Oct. 29, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Politics, schmolitics...

    by HapaPapa72

    I finally get to feast my eyes on Morena Baccarin this Tuesday. God bless HD TV.

  • Oct. 29, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Okay, I watched it again.

    by HapaPapa72

    1. She does have spectacular cans. 2. Who's the Halle Berry knock-off? 3. How'd the Natl Guard get there so fast? 4. If I see the "quivering glass of water because something large and ominous is approaching" one more time, it'll be too soon. 5. I'm gonna watch "Gia"'s chain-link fence scene again.

  • Nov. 4, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Politics are important. And V is only the beggining

    by Supermans

    All I can say is we have many liberals running this aintitcool website and one conservative. That is the ratio of all the news organizations and universities in the USA pretty much. Fox news is about 80/20 ratio while all the rest are 99/ Obama did have a secret meeting with Olberman and Maddow the day before announcing that Fox news is not a real news organization but entertainment and snubbing them from that moment forward. It is amazing to see people comparing W. Bush's treatment towards all the liberal media the same way Obama is handling Fox news and talk radio. Simply put, you cannot compare. I am hoping the liberal writers of V do their best to spin all the similarites the Visitors have somehow so they do not look like the Obama administrations health care propaganda scheme. So they pull the already filmed advertisements.. Just like Saturday Night Live did the week after their Obama bash on what he has accomplished in the first year.. That was a great skit, however the week after they toned it down to nothing after all the criticism they got from So we shall see what happens with this. Interesting to read everyone's posts.

  • Nov. 19, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Episode 3 of the show was good

    by Supermans

    I don't see anymore talkbacks about this show so I am necroing this thread. So far, the show is good. Episode 2 was a rehash of 1 while 3 added a few new twists. The Bliss which is the drug Anna uses to control her people reminds me of Robocop 2's nuke...If I thatis correct. The way the v's are influencing public opinion, etc. is interesting as it is echoing how Obama spreads his propaganda. I'm hoping the show does get picke up for the season