“It looks like I might be doing Coriolanus, the Shakespeare play, the movie version… the adaptation of. Ralph Fiennes will be directing and playing Coriolanus and I’d be playing Tullus Aufidius his nemesis!”Of course he said “nemesis” with the evil voice on, which made it sound even more badass. If you’re not familiar with the original works, the story follows a Roman General named Gaius Martius Coriolanus who is at battle with Tullus Aufidius, the leader of the Volscian army. Aufidius hates the shit out of Martius, but ends up working with him after Martius is banished from Rome after a brief, failed political career. It seems Coriolanus is a bit of a dick and treats the average citizen with contempt. Unless they were in the army they’re not worthy of opinion. So, naturally, he’s banished and ends up teaming up with the Volscians to get his revenge on Rome. So, that’s in the works and Butler is playing the Volscian General Aufidius. The full interview should be up by this weekend. Keep an eye out for it! -Quint firstname.lastname@example.org Follow Me On Twitter
Oct. 22, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST
Oct. 22, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST
and it's a Shakespeare thread! This is one of his plays I've never gotten around to reading.
Oct. 22, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST
... this talkback to fill up with "Cory Old Anus" and other sphincter jokes ? I'll start the stopwatch ... now ! That is all.
Oct. 22, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST
Cornhole my Anus?
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:02 a.m. CST
CORIOLANUS seems to be one of the lesser talked about Shakespeare dramas, though it's a really great play. The cast for this (with also William Hurt and Vanessa Redgrave) sounds killer.
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST
That didn't take long. What was the stopwatch count? 80 seconds?
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
Loved that movie and would like to more stories from that world!
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST
FURRIOLANUS, HARRIOLANUS, and STINKIOLANUS.
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST
And yeah...I'd like to know about when "The Real RockNRolla" will be coming out!
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST
Coriolanus is one of the most underrated plays by ol' Bill (Mr Shakespeare!!!).<br><br>Funny enough, the play doesn't say that Coriolanus is at fault because he treats the plebes as scum (the play has an aristicatic bias), but becaus ehe loses themper easily and he is too coy and proud to show his value in public. And by that, it means, showing his scars of war. That's why romans used togas, so they could show off their scars from battle. That was the way the romans had to show to others that they were patriots and did their civic duty in fighting the wars for Rome. Coriolanus refuses to show his scars, and from then, his fall starts.<br><br>Also, many say that Coriolanus, more then Hamlet itself, is the real character created by Shakespeare whire the character as a real oedipus complex. Coriolanus, while a real war machine and a real terminator in battle, he is a total mommy boy. He is defined by what his mother wants of him, and what she tells him to do. Coriolanus's mother, think Polly Walker's Atia of the Julii in the TV series Rome and you get an idea.<br><br>Coriolanus is a very good play, it has it all: high drama, set in ancient rome (even before the Empire), it has mad mobs, intrigue, war... the works. Can't wait for the movie.
Oct. 22, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST
by wampa 1
...that came up with this one?
Oct. 22, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST
Stay way from my cave, Motherfucker.
Oct. 22, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST
Oct. 22, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST
also RockNRolla was shit. Ritchie sucks.
Oct. 22, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST
Must be a first.
Oct. 22, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST
Then you must have very little hopes for Sherlock Holmes, don't you?
Oct. 22, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST
Is that all you ever say? Actually, the "ad wizard" who "came up" with this one was Shakespeare, a few hundred years ago, you moron. Try using that trite saying when it actually makes sense next time...
Oct. 22, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST
He's is awesome in the part. Can't wait for this movie version.
Oct. 22, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST
...And he says he's "really, really sorry about 'Gamer'... don't know what I was thinking." He's so hard on himself sometimes...
Oct. 22, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST
No I'm not really excited for that. I might see it in theatres, after I watch Avatar twice or something. But only because of Downey Jr. and Jude Law. Good casting. Baaaaad design choice. "Lets make Sherlock Holmes a kung-fu fighting action star, and add some light-hearted POTC humor". Depp can carry a crap film like this with sheer charisma, I don't think these guys can. It will be a success for sure. But a successful failure, Conan Doyle's character will be ruined permanently.
Oct. 22, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST
"complete fucking garbage." See: GI Joe
Oct. 22, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST
... I can safely assume the character of Sherlock Holmes has already been ruined permanently.<P> I am slightly optimistic for this one, however know full well that this probably won't do the character justice.
Oct. 22, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST
by Judge Briggs
Judging a book from its cover, I see? You haven't seen the movie so why are you talking shit about it? There are plenty of Ritchie fans... so fuck off.
Oct. 22, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST
I don't want to have this argument again, so I'll just leave it at: Holmes practiced martial arts, was a contender as a boxer, got into gunfights, and the stories ran the emotional gamut from hilariously slapstick to heartbreaking.
Oct. 22, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST
Then i guess you never saw the Granada TV Sherlock Holmes series with Jeremy Brett, have you?
Oct. 22, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST
to be Shakespeare.
Oct. 22, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST
Oh wait, IT IS Shakespeare!! Fuck!
Oct. 22, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST
That's one gay ass country.
Oct. 22, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST
I don't doubt for a moment Fiennes ability to play Coriolanus. He is one of the msot famous actor for playing the part in the theater. Thing is, i think the play does hint that Coriolanus is a younger man, maybe even in his mid 20s. Which for the standards of ancient rome means you were a fully mature adult, since romans reached maturity at age 16. In his mid 20s, Coriolanus would be a 10 years war veteran. Also, because he's a patrician (nobleman), he would had assumed high ranking positons from the start, and wouldn't be too out of normal to be a general's second in command at mid 20s.<br><br>But maybe i misunderstood the play and Coriolanus is indeed supposed to be an older man of 40s.
Oct. 22, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST
Aparently in Wales they say "Ralph" as "Rafe".
Oct. 22, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST
it's one of Shakespeare's most morally gray works: It's not just "Coriolanus = elitist, bad!" Coriolanus *openly* doesn't like playing "the game" of democracy, is *not* a good public speaker much less a manipulator, but wants to be elected based on his good war record. Meanwhile, the so-called "democracy" of Rome has turned into more of a mob-ocracy or demogoguery: conspiring Senators don't care about the "common masses" of the working class either, no more than Coriolanus does: the difference is that they're manipulators that know how to "play the game", and dupe the crowds into thinking they're on their side Like how politicians do the usual rounds of baby-kissing, or saying "Washington is turning into a bunch of fascists who want to take over your healthcare! Yeah I'm a wealthy conservative industrialist...but I'm on the side of YOU, the little guy!" etc. etc. Think of Coriolanus as almost a Gordon Gecko of politics kind of guy: he's jarring because he doesn't sugarcoat a word of what he's talking about. He believes *exactly* the same thing as the Senators, the difference is that he makes *absolutely no attempt* to shy away from the fact that he's openly an elitist....but he's an elitist because he's proven himself to be a brilliant military leader; so at least in terms of "international skills" he's very well qualified. Coriolanus is actually honest about this and not a good public speaker. So when they have the big election to be "consul" (basically Rome had two consuls, each getting to be effectively king for a one year term).......Coriolanus *does not* win by a landslide. He's got a lot of faults, not everyone likes him for his elitist attitude, but *enough* people recognize that he's good at his job that they're willing to overlook that, and he's winning the election anyway. ***So the corrupt Senators decide to basically rig the election so Coriolanus will lose, then sabotage a public appearance of his into a big anti-democracy outburst to make him look bad. So who was the bad guy here, Coriolanus? He didn't rig an election, nor was he trying to do what the conservatives tend to do these days: convince the lower classes that they're on their side when really they're not. It was one of Shakespeare's most controversial and morally gray works ever; the result being that its not very popular for general consumption. It's as if you took that one moment from Julius Caesar where Mark Antony says "yeah Caesar was wielding dictatorial power...but he was doing it honestly for the benefit of the state, and now the corrupt senators like Cassius who don't really care about you either murdered him in cold blood...so who's really wrong here?"...as if you took that moment and turned it into an entire play. Heaven help us if they simply villify Coriolanus in the movie.
Oct. 22, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST
I mean, she is a mainstream actress now, isn't she?
Oct. 22, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST
Oct. 22, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST
Very good, my friend, very good.
Oct. 22, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST
who know and like and want to talk about Shakespare, and even know about one of his more obscure plays. Usually, this is the place where people who know shit about shakespeare say stuff like "this movie is supposed to be fun, not shakespare". As if Ol' Bill never intented his plays to be fun! In the world of Christian Bale, "Fucking ass!"
Oct. 22, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST
to go toe to toe with Ralph? Has he been in anything decent? His movies have been mostly popcorn movies right?
Oct. 22, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST
Saw a theater in the round performance of this at UCIrvine a few months back. I'd read the play, but honestly didn't remember dick about it. Even with such a haphazard student production, it was powerful stuff. "Timon of Athens"? Never seen it mounted, just re-read it, and that is one misanthropic piece of work. Wow. As for Holmes, yeah, he was supposed to be a badass: practiced "Baritsu" (a form of Jiu-Jitsu), boxing, stick-fighting, and hung out in the toughest, nastiest parts of London. Could un-bend a fireplace poker only a giant could bend. If every other movie has focused on his intellectual aspect, what in the world is wrong with one single film exploring this side of his legend?
Oct. 22, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST
Oct. 22, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST
Oct. 22, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST
Actually you and I would probably agree on quite a few things. I just like busting your chops about JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. <br /><br />Hopefully they will do a good job on this or AsimovLives will be very angry...<br /><br />"Fuck Coriolanus! Fuck him in his anus!This is not Shakespeare! This is Shitspeare!"
Oct. 22, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST
by God's Brother
just looking for a ballpark...
Oct. 22, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST
by The Grug
The man has got chops, check out 'Dear Frankie' or 'Butterfly on a Wheel' for a better look at them.
Oct. 22, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST
And that reminds me of the time I was sitting in the stickyfoot theater watching the WATCHMEN. I was sitting in the theater next to C-No and gay Tom Cruise, I turned to C-No and said "that looks like Jettl93 quality work". Kurt Russell then laughed, so I knew it was ok.
Oct. 22, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST
the Shakespeare Theater in D.C. a few years back, it really is fantastic, one of my favorites of the dozen or so I've seen there. King John is another underrated, virtually never performed work.
Oct. 22, 2009, 11 p.m. CST
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST
by Henry Fool
I can't wait for this project. I read 'Coriolanus' in college. I'm really curious as to who Fiennes will cast as Cori's mother. She's an awesome character, very much in the mold of Lady Macbeth.
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST
This is the Shakespeare play where the main character walks into a building full of sword-wielding bad guys and kills them to a man. It's the ultimate proof that Shakespeare wanted to write action movies.
Oct. 22, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST
- Morgan Freeman - Christopher mother fucking Walken
Oct. 23, 2009, 12:05 a.m. CST
Oct. 23, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST
fuck... Ironhelix already beat me to it. No interest in watching Fiennes fight a guy that is in every way his superior.
Oct. 23, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST
And I'm not saying that out of spite. Seems like an ok dude, wasn't he in Strange Days? At least he hasn't fallen off so far like his bro who has to star in some quasi vanity project from a guy who had little to do writing The Dark Knight but the brothers Nolan threw him a bone. Anyway, good luck Ralph, whether or not your name rhymes with "gay" or "waif."
Oct. 23, 2009, 5:39 a.m. CST
I doubt Ralph Fiennes slouches on a movie adaptation of a Shakespeare play. The man loves Shakespeare with the same intensity and passion that Kenneth Brannagh does. Which is a lot, baby! Something tells me that Fiennes' Coriolanus could be as good or close to as good a movie as Brannagh's first, Henry V. And that's a lot.
Oct. 23, 2009, 5:56 a.m. CST
Vanessa Redgrave will play Coriolanus' mother. And as formidable actresses goes, you can't get more formidable. You so can easily buy her as a bossy roman matron.
Oct. 23, 2009, 6:56 a.m. CST
I'm so glad when someone like Fiennes decides to do a proper cinematic treatment of a lesser-known Shakespeare. Why Branagh keeps fooling about with inane comedies like As You Like It and Love's Labour's Lost is beyond me. Coriolanus is a great play and great tragic hero. I was pleased with Julie Taymor's ghastly Titus Andronicus, which was as gross, flawed and lavish as the play, and I also like Trevor Nunn's fine Twelfth Night: a troubling and shadowy comedy.
Oct. 23, 2009, 7:01 a.m. CST
and that was Brett. A good Holmes needs a good Watson, not a bumbling oaf like Nigel Bruce.
Oct. 23, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST
gets a pass for everything he has ever done because he made Henry V, one of my top 5 favorite movies of any genre and required viewing for......well, pretty much everyone. Every single scene in that movie, EVERY scene, is not just good but pure gold.
Oct. 23, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST
Great to see another fellow who also admires Brannagh's Henry V. That movie put the awe in me. I still kick myself for not seeing it at the theaters when i had the chance.
Oct. 23, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST
I also think that Titus Andronicus is a terribly underrated play by Shakespeare. The good thing this days seems that his more underrated and obscure plays are getting a renascense and a rediscovery. And coriolanus is one such, for the longest time it was put aside as one of the minor plays. Nonsense! Coriolanus is the shit! And as Shakespeare's plays goes, it might evne be one of the most cinematic friendly, due to the notorious absense of soliloquies. to play Coriolanus, an actor needs to do good internalized subtle acting, and Ralph Fiennes is a master of that.
Oct. 23, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST
has foreshadows of many other, greater, plays, from Othello to Lear. But it's a crazy teenage play; a gruesome Revenger's Tragedy with long dreary passages of lyrical descriptive verse; purple and leaden. It needs serious cuts when performed. Coriolanus is a mature play; balancing speech and action, crisp stony images and very well balanced. It's not underrated, just understaged and not as instantly familiar as, say, Macbeth or Julius Caesar. But it's a BIG play. Titus is pretty minor stuff by comparison. intellectually it's very crude and manipulative; it revels in guts and rape. Kids like that stuff.
Oct. 24, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST
Just how many plays like this are out there? <br> <br> I seriously thought I had read most of Shakespeare's work and this one comes out of left field in that I've never even heard of this one; it doesn't even ring a bell. <br> <br> I only read the first ten or so posts so if this has been or is already being talked about forgive me but I must know how this stacks up with the masterpieces. <br> <br> Is it a comedy or tragedy, what is the plot and is it a romance or a bloodbath. Or even perhaps a romance set in the middle of a bloodbath. <br> <br> I really wish kids today were forced to read more Shakespeare and taught from a very young age to interpret it themselves. Ah, the American public school system, where you will read Romeo and Juliet before moving on to another bland and irrelevant piece of short story "literature." I swear to God, the only thing that ever held me back from reading was school. Once I was old enough to read anything of substance on my own, I realized that curricular and dry tradition had sucked the joy of imagination and reading words out of just about every kid in school.
Oct. 24, 2009, 5:47 a.m. CST
The theme is the ruin of a great man through well-deserved but excessive pride. Coriolanus is a great and seasoned general and the savior of Rome. But he is from a great family and is intensely proud, scorning the adulation of the rabble, the satisfactions he gets from his career are entirely personal; to the point that the only man on Earth he truly respects (to the point of a weird manly infatuation) is his great rival of the Volces (the character that Gerard Butler plays). The hoi polloi of Roma are depicted as an ignorant and dissatisfied mob who rebel aginst their rightful masters, the patricians, of whom Gaeus Martius (later Coriolanus) is the great example. A Machiavellian faction in the Senate try to exploit this problem by demanding (on behalf of the people, who they could care less about) that Coriolanus submit to (in his eyes) a humiliating ritual of public thanks. Coriolanus cannot do this, no matter how hard he tries and is driven out of the city by his perfect pride. His hatred for his ignoble fellow citizens drive him into the arms (literally and militarily) of his enemy. The play is about the roman virtue of righteous pride and the vice of unrighteous hubris and the way that great virtues can, through excess, become evil. it's also a very unsettling meditation on the mob-aspects of democracy.