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The Irish Rican Takes On BOONDOCK SAINTS 2!!

Ryan 'Irish Rican' McLelland here - I found BOONDOCK SAINTS a couple years after it had hit on video. When I was serving in the military the pilots who flew at night used to watch it incessantly before going off to fly in the helicopters and for some reason I always would walk in during Willam Dafoe's drag scene. This scene never made me want to actually sit down and watch the film. But something stuck with the pilots and the film, even calling themselves 'The Bastardos' after a throwaway line in the movie. One night they forced me to sit down and watch it and I was instantly hooked. Since then I've watched the movie once a month for the next six years. There seems to be two very different camps for BOONDOCK SAINTS: the ones who hate the movie with pure disgust vs. the ones who love the movie and scream about it to the heavens. Sure there are some who think the movie to be 'okay' but those are the people who are few and far between. Then there's director/writer Troy Duffy himself who has had his share of controversy over the years. Duffy landed the infamous movie deal with Harvey Weinstein and Miramax only to see everything he worked for get pissed away. He never got the bar bought for him, he never made the movie with Miramax, even after BOONDOCK got made it never found its way to theaters, and his group The Brood (renamed The Boondock Saints) saw their CD flop - even though it was a damn good debut album. THE BOONDOCK SAINTS has been dying for a sequel. Any fan of the film, like myself, knows that the end of the film sets up the McManus brothers to become the vengeful eye of Boston. As cult classics go the original film is a monster success - especially when you think in terms of the sequel actually being made AND released in theaters nationwide. Troy will now have his day with Boondock up on the big screen - finally have the time to sink or swim with his creation. Will his sequel hold up ten years after the first film was made? For those who aren't aware of the plot the Saints (Sean Patrick Flannery, Norman Reedus) are living the quiet life with their father (uber-killer and ultimate kickass artist Billy Connolly) in Ireland. When a copycat killer strikes a priest down in the same manner the Saints had done in their crime spree years earlier, it draws the duo right back into action. The city of Boston is left to wonder whether it is a copycat or the real thing - much to the chagrin of the three police officers who helped the Saints kill a mob boss in a court room. If you want the full plot go see the fucking movie. If you want to know does the sequel hold up or disappoint - I'm glad to say the sequel does not disappoint. The sequel improves on everything that made the first film great. It's one hell of a non-stop thrill ride that keeps you on the edge of your seat until the very last frame (which is a great last frame at that). You don't even need to see the first film to enjoy this movie which is fantastic. It can make fans of the first film happy while being coherent enough for anyone who has yet to see Boodock 1. The Good? Clifton Collins Jr. has been in about seventy-six films this year and he's been great in every single one. There's no change here. Playing the new saint, a Mexican named Romeo, Collins brings the needed comic relief but also owns this new role. He fits so perfectly into this world that it kind of pisses me off that he wasn't in the first film. Julie Benz (the hottie from Dexter) plays hottie FBI agent Eunice Bloom - who is delicious eye-candy throughout the film. Benz replaces Willam Dafoe's character and unfortunately she is given a bit less to do in this film. When she is on-screen she surely is fun to watch. Nearly everyone comes back from the first film - even Rocco (David Della Rocco) appears in a flashback. The Indifferent? Judd Nelson and Peter Fonda. They are in the film but are really just secondary characters. You don't care about them and simply hope the Saints come in to kill them. The bad? There is A LOT of plot in this film. How can that be 'bad'? While not technically bad, the add-on of stuff that could have been kept until a third movie was added in. Of course there might not be a third movie so Troy Duffy probably felt he needed to pack it all in now. This causes the film to slow down at times but luckily it picks right up soon. The fact that this film got made is amazing in itself. The fact that this film then looks amazing, sounds even better, with impeccable acting, and a phenomenal story is sort of like bringing a Playboy model as your date to the prom then getting laid afterwards with her and her twin sister. The film just doesn't satisfy fans but will certainly be a welcome start for a whole new film career for Duffy. It certainly is the action movie of the year and I'm hard-pressed to think of anything that comes close to All Saints Day. Fans of the first film will love All Saints Day and the haters may finally like the franchise for the first time. Now all we can hope for is a trilogy.

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  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I quite enjoy the first

    by slone13

    Sounds as if I will enjoy the second as well

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Selma Hayek with a beard does not exist in this dojo...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...apologies Cobra-Kai.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    This movie...

    by Goochbag

    Does the price of admission include an Ed Hardy shirt?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    ...wrong talkback^

    by FlickaPoo

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I'm in the minority

    by Papa Lazaru

    Because I'm one of the few who thought the original was just "okay" . Nothing special , but not God awful either . I did think the doc Overnight , was far more entertaining though .

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Good to hear

    by MrPopular

    Sadly living in the Middle of Michigan, I have no idea when i'll actually get to see it, hopefully they amp up the theaters numbers quickly.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by Papa Lazaru

    being an Irishman it's always hard for me to thoroughly enjoy a film when my accent is being butchered . Do Americans and Brits for that matter have the same problem when watching non-nationals take their accent on ? I suppose its more grating to me , as you don't see the Irish being portrayed in movies that often . In saying that . The Boondock Saints had far worse problems then dodgy accents.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    More Love Equals More Hate.

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    Here's how I've discovered things work. I love Boondock, and have practically forced the film on everyone I know, and have made loyal fans of nearly all of them. But the movie got too big for its britches. It became too popular, can a film really be a "cult" film if everybody has seen it? Point's cool to like something not many people know about, until it becomes popular and then the "cool" thing is to bash it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by palooka_boy

    you hit the nail on the head. The bigger the secret, the cooler it is, and the bigger the backlash when it becomes popular. I remember going to see Napoleon Dynamite in its limited release and I loved it. A few months later it was out on DVD and everyone in my dorm was quoting it nonstop and I couldn't even watch it anymore. I still hate that movie now, but have a feeling I'd stlll love it if few others knew about it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    That's the little known secret of geekdom. Whether or not the show actually got significantly worse, Battlestar Galactica was most popular in Season 1 when only hardcore sci fi fans watched it. Then the show blew up, and all of a sudden it wasn't as good anymore. Napoleon Dynamite is a GREAT example. I'll never watch that movie again and still barely a week goes by where I don't hear someone say "Your mom goes to college" or other such utterances. It's sad, supporting a band you always loved, then they hit it big and you rail on and on about how they "sold out" .

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Nice post Troy Duffy!

    by The Aquarian 1

    This is the most transparent fakery I've seen in a long time on this website. How FUCKING pathetic is it that Troy Duffy is posing as a former marine to review his own film? And who knows how many of these "SupermanIsMyGod" avatars are sock puppets. If you want to see Troy Duffy, which I wouldn't recommend doing, go see OVERNIGHT, that's all you need to know about Troy Duffy, Boondock Saints, and anything else connected with this guy.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Wow. What a great example of what i was talking about.

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    Sock puppet? I'm just a dude. I liked Overnight a lot, actually. Fascinating to watch him throw away his career. It seems and my brother are both Boondock fanatics, but when we went to a One Night Only thing in theatres, we rolled our eyes when he referred to writing more movies as "Duffy's at the fuckin grill." He's a d-bag...but I love Boondock and am FURIOUS that the movie won't be within 1000 miles of me.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Superman and Palooka

    by Boris Karloff

    I actually think of things the other way around in regards to Boondock Saints. I think one of the main reasons people loved this movie so much was BECAUSE it was so "underground", rather than cinematical merit alone. Your post pretty much backs this up. I don't dislike the film because it's "cool" to do so, I dislike it because it's just not that good. It tries WAY too hard to be quirky... Dafoe's character is a cliche'd cartoon and kills the whole movie for me personally. Aside from that, I do agree it has some very fun and creative elements, but "cult" classic or not, I think it's HIGHLY overrated. Just my opinion.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Superman and Palooka

    by Boris Karloff

    I actually think of things the other way around in regards to Boondock Saints. I think one of the main reasons people loved this movie so much was BECAUSE it was so "underground", rather than cinematical merit alone. Your post pretty much backs this up. I don't dislike the film because it's "cool" to do so, I dislike it because it's just not that good. It tries WAY too hard to be quirky... Dafoe's character is a cliche'd cartoon and kills the whole movie for me personally. Aside from that, I do agree it has some very fun and creative elements, but "cult" classic or not, I think it's HIGHLY overrated. Just my opinion.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Damn double post...

    by Boris Karloff

    Sorry folks, slow fucking site.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Boondock Saints...0 out of 10 stars

    by Mr.Stiggs

    I certainly have my own share of films that I would deem “guilty pleasure”. But I really can’t understand the incomprehensible appreciation for the pompous piece of crap known as “The Boondock Saints”. This revenge fantasy is so poorly executed that it resembles a form of cinematic satire yet it is obviously too full of itself to even suggest that the filmmakers are that clever. Admittedly, my friends and I have watched segments of this film more than once but only to ridicule its ineptitude. Perhaps if I was an adolescent “wanna-be-gangsta” then I might fooled by its poorly executed slow-motion violence, cheap stereotypes, and pseudo-religious nonsense jargon. I implore any fan of this film to watch “Overnight” which documents the rise and fall (…and fall) of the talentless hack that wrote and directed this disaster.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    too cool for cool

    by Jared

    The whole "band/film/thing I really like has gotten popular therefore it now sucks" thing bothers me. If a band you're a fan of becomes popular, isn't that a good thing? It shows the populace at large has some taste in music. Same thing with film or tv shows. It just goes to show that a lot of people only care that they're viewed as edgy or non-mainstream.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Tenenbaum read my mind

    by Bouncy X

    i personally am happy when a band/singer i like finally becomes huge. i mean sure its sorta fun being the only one knowing about a band but if i truly like them so much then of course i want success to come their way. i dont understand how it can be selling out to keep the career you love going. as for movies, i love them because i do...regardless how mainstream they are or not. i dont stop liking anything just because everyone else now likes it. actually i CANT...if you like a movie or a band then you do, if you can honestly say you dont like them anymore simply because everyone else does, then you obviously never really liked them to begin with. you just liked being one of the "cool" ones who knows a secret or whatever.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Karloff, Fair Point.

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    But I feel like the people who only like something because it's "underground" are the same people who turn on it when it becomes bigger. I love the religious aspect of the film, the funny dialogue, the interplay with Dafoe and the cops, the violence, all of it is just right in my wheelhouse. There are some fims I love that I get why others don't, but honestly, this isn't one of them. I'll defend the movie all day, but ultimately I'm not going to sway anybody who is convinced it sucks and who apparently hold viewing parties to laugh at it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by Boris Karloff

    I agree that people who only like something because it's a secret are the ones who usually turn on it when it grows... You've proclaimed yourself to be in this camp, with your Napoleon Dynamite example, no? In one breath you mention that you'll never watch Napoleon Dynamite again because it's become too popular, and then you go on to call that behavior "sad". I guess I'm confused as to your stance on the issue. :) That said, I acknowledge that your appreciation for Boondock is genuine.... Though I disagree that Boondock's problem was that it became "too popular".

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Everything you need to know about Boondock Saints fans can be su

    by eatabagofdicks

    "It's one hell of a non-stop thrill ride that keeps you on the edge of your seat until the very last frame" Wow.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Never really did understand hating something for being popular

    by WickedJester

    Just like I never understood when a group of people decided to 'be different' by all dressing alike. Usually from a store like Hot Topic which is essentially Ambercrombie and Fitch for the 'anti' crowd. (Might even be owned by the same company.)<br><br>Bottom line, no one is in the entertainment industry to do it for free, so if a band you enjoy makes it big, why not be happy they are making enough money to keep doing what they're doing? Hate to tell ya, but if a band or whatever stays low key too long, they'll more than likely have to find a REAL job.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    It's strange but,

    by Joenathan

    fans of the first film seem to only fall into one out of two categories: Dumb girls or Douchebags.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    But is Julie Benz gay?

    by Sawney Bean

    Julie Benz and her lesbian lover lay in bed together totally nude... <p> Naked Girl 1: But I just want to cuddle. <p> Julie Benz: FAG! <p> Oh please God, PLEASE!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by WickedJester

    Kinda like TBers

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Guess That Was Murky

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    What I meant was when Napoleon Dynamite got huge, I couldn't get away from people quoting it, and that's how its popularity made me dislike it a little. I enjoyed The Hangover, but I liked it less when many friends of mine proclaimed it the funniest thing they had ever seen. That might have been a problem with Boondock too...when someone tells you "OMG U NEED 2C BOONDOCK SAINTS, IT IS TEH KOOLEST MOVIE EVER!!!!" it's easy to be let down.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Boondock Was Passable DTV Fair

    by FreeBeer

    But the steriotyping and the god awful accents bordered on offensive. Amazing a guy called Duffy wrote it you'd swear the creators only exposure to Irish culture was through Lucky Charms commercials and that clueless Far & Away movie.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    I'm Irish Born And Bred By The Way

    by FreeBeer

    Case you think I'm talking out me arse!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Boondock Saints seems

    by Madcapper

    to have many fans out there. In the literal sense of the word. Fanatics. People seems to either love it or hate it, like the reviewer points out. Seriously though, if you watch this, or any other movie for that matter, once every month for six long years, you might have some psychological issues that needs attention. Personally I had a good time with the first one, but it surely isn't the best film ever made. And if the sequel is the best action film of the year, that means knocking down District 9, Inglorious Basterds, Watchmen and Star Trek, among others. I hate to sound cynical, but I don't think so.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I like the movie! Glad to hear this sequel could be better!

    by Johnno

    I enjoyed it a lot. That said I'm not tattooing shit on my hands or even telling that many people about it or watching it every friggin' month, so do I fall into the 'okay' category? Or just the category that is labeled 'Sensible and resonable'? I don't understand how people can hate or like a movie based on its popularity... A good film is a good film and a shit film is a shit film to me, regardless of whether it's a cult hit or a mainstream sensation, or whether it moves from one end of the spectrum to another. I can understand getting worn out of watching a movie so many times or hearing people talk about it incessantly, but that has nothing to do with my initial impression of a movie when I see it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    I hate Boondock Saints

    by MC Murray B

    Not because it is popular, but because out of all of the mediocre Pulp Fiction rip offs that followed that film, Boondock is probably the 5th best one, but for some strange reason became by far the most popular and I would say most of its fans would put it ahead of Pulp Fiction, if they have even seen Pulp Fiction which many that I have met have actually not.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by mcdowell_32000

    first movie was a guy ritchie retread - talkin' loud but ain't sayin' nothing. kudos to those that suggested overnight was better.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    People who think that the first Boondock has...

    by JustinSane

    ...any cinematic merit must be out of their minds. Nothing about the film is exceptional (except perhaps Dafoe, but that guy can devour scenes in the worst of films), and, in fact, the dialogue, direction and particularly the editing are all horrendous - the opening credits must have been cut by one of Duffy's drunken bar pals after an all-night bender. The fact that OVERNIGHT highlights what an untalented douche Duffy is is the icing on the cake. Oh, and will we be getting another soundtrack for this film by The Brood that sells 700 copies? Fuck you, Boondock Saints - and your sequel, too.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    To Concur and Disagree

    by PsimonSez

    FreeBeer - You had me laughing with your Far and Away comment! Madcapper - You also beat me to the post when I was going to comment on Irish Rican's ridiculous claim of "best action movie this year" when we had some great contenders like the ones you originally identified. I am in the camp that Rican identified that feels that Booncock Taints is execrable celluloid. It amazes me to think that the spectrum for this movie is so wide that I can actually sit on one end and spit vitriolic like I had Tourettes and Rican and the other Duffyians can sit on the far off opposite, wouldn’t-be-able-to-see-even-with-the-Hubble-Telescope end and lucidly call the film a huge success and a "new career starter" for Duffy.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Boondock Saints=College Embarrassment

    by reflecto

    One of the worst films ever made that for five mins, everyone in your college dorm thinks is awesome.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    How does Judd Nelson not get a credit in the trailer...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...but Peter Fonda does?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    To All Movie Critics...

    by JMike65

    I love the anticipation for upcoming movies. The two I anticipated most in my life was Rocky Balboa & The Dark Knight. Before they were released I read reviews on both of them. Both had great reviews and both had bad reviews. (After seeing it, couldn't believe Dark Knight got any bad ones). I ended up loving both movies. Now not just because of those examples, I have completely disregarded all movie reviews from here on out. I know that when the Boondock sequal comes out I'm going to like it, unless something so crazy out of the ordinary happens. I go to A LOT of movies and I don't care for movie reviews much anymore. If you go to a lot of movies check out the link below...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Madcapper

    If you don't care much for reviews, that's understandable. How you magically manage to look into the future, and know that you will like All Saints Day is not quite as easy to comprehend. Unless, of course, you just decide beforehand which movies you are going to like or not..

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by Madcapper

    but that would be quite strange, wouldn't you agree?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Reflecto, RedHorse...

    by JoseJones

    so true. i have always associated college meatsticks with fanatical love of both Saints and Dane Cook. One and the same.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Yes, because Tarantino is SO original.

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    Quick disclaimer: I adore Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill 1+2, and have failed by not seeing Inglorious yet. You can't bash Boondock Saints for doing what Tarantino does, when EVERYTHING QT does he took from someone else. Homage, not theft? Sure. But don't act like he's an original filmmaker.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I actually don't like the Godfather films

    by Chakraborty

    Not a fan. I can see the craft and skill that went into making them, but I don't find them entertaining.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    This fake review is genius

    by Stabby

    By making this guy military and therefore a patriot and American hero everyone is holding back from calling him a plant, because they don't want to offend.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Chakraborty, go join Lockesbrokenleg in the

    by Stabby

    contrarians corner.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Irish Rican has posted plenty of times.

    by JediRob

    So "plant" is silly.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'm Retarded...

    by The Chalk Outline

    But I've always hated Pulp Fiction. I never understood what the big deal was and the only enjoyment I got out of it were the scenes with Sam Jackson. In my experience, the vast majority of folks that love Pulp Fiction are those that watched it before any other QT film (written or directed). I really liked Reservior Dogs and True Romance is my favourite of anything QT has been involved with. I saw both before Pulp Fiction and in turn, maybe that's why I just didn't give a shit about it. The plot just wasn't as interesting and I didn't care about any of the fucking characters.<br><br> Now, as for Boondock Saints, I really enjoyed it. I don't regard it as his holy fucking movie of epic proportions like the majority of its fans, but it was very entertaining for what it was. The scenes with Dafoe describing what happened were great, I dug most of the characters, and the story was pretty cool. Is it "technically" superior to Pulp Fiction? Probably not, but who the fuck cares? It was more enjoyable to watch in my opinion and that's all that matter.<br><br> Finally, because someone else mentioned it, I didn't like The Godfather either. I just remember being utterly bored while watching it and no, I've never gave it a second chance. The Godfather Part II however, now that was awesome. Really liked it. Part III I've never watched and probably never will.<br><br> P.S. I expect most of these comments to get me bashed. Don't care and I don't post often enough to give a shit anyway, just felt like sharing my opinion today.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    There are some people who are contrarian

    by Chakraborty

    And then there are some people who are so obnoxious that they believe that anyone who doesn't like all the same movies they like must be doing so in order to be contrarian. Those are two separate extremes of the douchebag pole.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Put me down in that small "It's okay" group...

    by HarryCalder

    Sure, it's a Tarantino movie-wanna be, but I was mildly entertained by BS. Helped that I was kind of drunk. I think. Or maybe I just don't remember it that well because it's not that memorable. Anyway, "Overnight," now THERE'S an interesting doc. Gotta give Troy credit for actually getting a sequel made after hitting rock-fucking-bottom. I just hope there's an "Overnight" sequel so we can see if he's become an even bigger tool, or if he's a completely humbled man.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    JediRob, that doesn't mean he's not a plant

    by Stabby

    I'd have to read some of his other posts to see if they come off as studio promotional as this one does. He could be a industry insider and this is why he gets to see these movies early and why he's posting to a site like this.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by Stabby

    At least you admit that you are on one end of that douchebag pole. That's mighty big of you.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Metallica is a perfect example of completely

    by THEoverfiend

    sucking after getting "popular". once they went "mainstream" by makind videos for MTV their music totally changed for the much worse to retain that mainstream cashflow

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Nah, I'm in the middle

    by Chakraborty

    I like what I like, and I don't jump in line and claim to like movies because other people claim I should and I'm afraid I'll lose cool points or be characterized for this or that for it. But some people feel threatened when other people's movie tastes don't coincide with their own, because they fear the tides of public opinion will turn, and that they will be left out in the cold not sure what to like or dislike...therefore they must cast judgment on all those who do not to like what others have ordained to be great films. Conformists and contrarians are natural enemies.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    Oh, Overnight Was Awesome BTW

    by The Chalk Outline

    Forgot to add that. Definitely better than Boondock Saints.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Boondock Saints was garbage

    by ebonic_plague

    Just, like, my opinion, man. But when I got to the end scene where Billy Connoly and whoever he was fighting were standing five feet apart emptying entire clips at each other in slo-mo without hitting anything, it had cemented itself firmly on the list of the most ridiculously stupid movies I'd ever been suckered into watching. <p> But then, the inclusion of Clifton Collins Jr. can redeem almost anything, so maybe this will be acceptable as dumb popcorn fun.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    "It's one hell of a non-stop thrill ride"

    by MattmanBegins

    I don't like to scream PLANT but... this one is hard to ignore.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    The Chalk Outline

    by MattmanBegins

    True Romance gets better every time I watch it. The scene between Walken and Hopper may be the best scene Tarantino has written.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I'm in the "okay" group

    by andrew coleman

    Seen the movie once maybe twice. It was okay. I'll the second one. That is all.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Overnight is an horror movie

    by AsimovLives

    Yeah, it's a documentary, but i rate it as a horror movie. The horror of falling into hubris and complete self-denial, while at the brick of greatness. The horror story of a guy who was given the keys to the kingdom, and how he did everything to piss off all the rare great oportunities thrown at him. And most of it, it was his doing. Trulyl, any wannabe filmmakers who wants to go to Hollywood, they should watch the movie and learn a great lesson. The lesson of things not to do.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I'm in the OK group too

    by AsimovLives

    Me and my friends we klaugh our heads off when we first watched it. But afterwards, it was a "it's just an ok movie, nothing much". I can understand why the movie is such a hit to some and became a cult, but i also understand why some hate it with a passion. And i sit inbetween. I do like the ending of the movie, with the average citizen saying to the camera their thoughs on the actions of the Brothers, and how interesting that the movie ends with the most critical voice.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    "The limp bizkit of independant film"

    by ebonic_plague

    Pretty damn apt, RHV. To be honest I've forgotten a lot of what irritated me about that movie, but I remember thinking that the idiot third-wheel sidekick to the two brothers/cousins/vigilantes was a good representation of the film as a whole and why it sucked. Whacking one bad guy worked out for them, so hey, "let's kill everybody!" One ridiculous shoot-out worked, so let's make ALL of the shoot-outs into ridiculously over-stylized music-video outtakes! Dafoe is good playing unique characters in other movies, so let's make him a ridiculous caricature of a gay detective and turn the scenery chewing up to 11! And so on. <p> But in the interest of fairness and objectivity, the movie DID make me want to go out and get a black navy pea coat. So there's that.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by The Chalk Outline

    People hate Boondock Saints because it lacked realism? And the shootout near the end put it over the top? Did you miss the scene where he jumps off the building right on top of a guy? Or accidentally falling through a ceiling to kill everyone? Jesus Christ, I don't think even Duffy was stupid enough to think he was going for realism with this film. If anything the action scenes in this were only slightly less over-the-top than those in Shoot 'Em Up and should be treated as such. Just because Duffy stole some elements from Quentin Tarantino films doesn't mean he wanted EVERYTHING to be like a Quentin Tarantino film. At least I hope not, otherwise he's even more delusional than the documentary makes him out to be.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    There's my other favorite contrarian, AsimovLives

    by Stabby

    Yo Asi! Overnight is more of cautionary tale than a Horror film. If it is horror then all the horror is provided by Troy Duffy himself.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by Charlie_Allnut

    I had the feeling that this could end up badly, but now my hopes have been raised! Got my fingers crossed that this is going to be good!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST


    by Stabby

    I really hope you take this review with a grain of salt.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    So, Asi, would you say...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...that Boondock Saints was a "fun" movie? Because if I didn't know any better, I'd say that might be the case.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "If it is horror then all the horror is provided by Troy Duffy himself."<br><br>My point exactly. Only you said it more suscintly. Good job.<br><br>One could say Overnight is a cautionary tale where the cautionary comes as a horror story. The type of horror that only real life provides.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    I'm going to admit that i might have liked the movie better when i first saw it. But now, i can't deny that the bashing it gets has given me pause to reconsider my first more positive opinion of it. but then again, i first saw it in optimum conditions, with my best friends, we were in a very festive mood, and we laughed out asses off because the movie. The Coca Cola joke in particular and the shooting of the cat had us fall to the floor laughing.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Your pudding is fucking rotten. And i could spend months listing and descrivbing the shit in Skank Trek, and it would still be incomplete. Boondock Saitns fails because the directro seems to not know if to condemn or uphold the Brothers's actions. But it does have a vision to it, for good or ill. The over-bloated abortion Star-Trek-In-Name-Only has shit.<br><br>You know what i say? I rather have an interesting failure then a sucessful mediocrity.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Boondock Saints is one of the rare movies where

    by AsimovLives

    my first impression has been changed due to other's opinions. In this movie's case, i'm not too sure anymore. For caution sake, i rate this "an interesting failure".

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "The scene between Walken and Hopper may be the best scene Tarantino has written."<br><br>But then again, consider the actors who play that scene.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    That "Rocco" guy could not die fast enough

    by reflecto

    Duffy, like all Tarantino imitators, chooses to caricaturize and whore out certain socioethnic groups he knows little about - Irish Catholics, Italians, etc. - to create the illusion of gritty authenticity, in order to sell an ersatz package to a gullible audience. Same thing was done in old Hollywood with white folks playing Hispanics or black characters for cheap little "poor city folk" melodramas. Unfortunately, old masters like Scorsese, who have turned a bit desperate in their old age, have picked up this habit too - Scorsese is now imitating people like Duffy imitating Tarantino imitating Marty himself, doing a cheap remake of Infernal Affairs with The Departed, going the easy route of using yet another gritty, hyper-religious ethnic group - Irish Catholics, just like Boondock Saints. "Oh it's hardcore because there's 'Southies' and Irish and quote the Bible while killing and shit." Who gives a fuck. It was like watching Sean Patrick Flanery and Norman Reedus play dress-up with those chintzy accents. It was kid's games and the film was cut and shot like a 14-yo on Red Bull made it. At least Quentin is still breaking new ground with something like Basterds, which I did not think he had in him.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Is it as rampantly homoerotic as the original?

    by Laserhead

    Laughed my ass off at the slow-motion passion of the brothers when one pulls a bullet out the other, from behind.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    wow, you REALLY have a soft spot for scenes involving 2 characters throwing racial slurs at each other. <P> Fuck Boondock Saints and fuck Duffy.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Sounds like Troy wrote this review himself.

    by Series7

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Overnight is not as good as everyone says it is

    by Series7

    You can pretty much read about it and get the point. I mean its not as bad as Man on A Wire. But unless you want to see Troy be a dick for an hour and a half just read about it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    To everyone who has seen Overnight, this movie is hilarious

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    How does it take someone 10 years to get a sequel greenlit to a giant cult hit? Oh yeah, you be a giant asshole.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    The problem isn't the people...

    by Chakraborty

    ...who hate or love this movie. They both have legitimate reasons. The problem is people who hate people for hating or loving this movie. Also, if you loved this movie when it first came out, but then hated it when it became popular, it means you're a phony who tries to convince people you're cool and unique by your taste in movies, music, etc. If you legitimately loved the movie, then your motive for sharing it with others would have been to spread the love for this film so that similar films could be made, and you would be happy that a sequel is made. Otherwise, you're just mad because you can't use this movie to seem cool because liking it is no longer cool...and you have to search for the next trendy thing before it becomes convince people you're something you're not. <p> Ultimately, the film is mediocre....with moments that are some moments which are good, and other that are awful...IMO.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Also, this review is worthless.

    by liesandpicturesofalsolies

    I call plant.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Also I fall into the OK group

    by Series7

    I saw it, I liked it I don't remember it. Not bring Defoe back (unless he died in the first one?) sucks. I'll catch this. My wife liked the first one, we bought it like 3 years ago and it still sits in plastic wrap unopened.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Please let Julie Benz's film career take off

    by mcr29

    So she can get the fuck off Dexter.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Dexter is a great show.

    by SupermanIsMyGod

    Bite your tongue. So now Boondock Saints AND Dexter both suck? I remember now why I never post here. Is it fun to hate everything?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    No no

    by mcr29

    I love Dexter, I can't stand her character.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Chakra I concur

    by PsimonSez

    The true nonsense is not the fact that you like the movie and I despise it. It is that people seem to hate either you or me for being in either of the two camps which then devolves the entire scene into feces throwing monkey territory. Which I think it saved for Transformer 2 fans. KIDDING! Seriously though. People have opinions and that is all they are. I hate this flick and the dick that made it (thanks Overnight) but I don't hate a cat that likes (or even loves) the movie. Why should I? Unfortunately, like many people have commented already on this board, this movie falls into the polarization camp model. Just like the recent Paranormal Activity. I have read some comments of people having to burn the shartings from their BVD's while others find 95% of the flick laughable. One thing can be said about these movies, they do generate the postings.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    In Duffy's defense *chews nails nervously*

    by MacReady452

    I think this movie works if you stumble upon it but not if it has been over-hyped by a friend. It also won’t work if you see Overnight before Boondock Saints. People who think this movie is brilliant are a little “off”. That said I will try the seemingly impossible task of justifying the merits of this film. First and easily enough I think if you are an Irish/Catholic with a brother from Boston this movie speaks. Hell if you are 2 out of 3 of these they hooked you in. Obviously if you are an only child in a Jewish family from New York you probably are ingrained with a hatred of this movie. Second there are some good scenes and lines in the movie. Personally I like the shot glasses to the knees and (God help me) the toilet and the Flannery off the roof. I would say “the cat” is a rip from “the head” in Pulp Fiction but aside from them both being “accidents” that is where they part ways. Rocco’s tirade to his girlfriend as a result is also great. The….”I can’t go get a pack of smokes without running into 10 guys you fucked…” Come on. That’s not funny? If you are gonna hit me with slow-mo and timeline shifting then I say, “I doubt it was Duffy”. It was the style of editing and storytelling at the time and he probably never thought of it that way. I would say the film is the victim of a studio editor (I might be wrong here). Ok. Is this a great movie? No. Is it fun? Yeah. This was an Independent movie when that really meant independent. I hadn’t seen Overnight until I read the enormous backlash here and I’ll admit I liked, NOT LOVED, Boondock Saints. I thought Overnight was a great look at how Hollywood can chew up and spit out a flavor of the month and not give one shit. In fact it made me hate Harvey Weinstein. “Yeah here is a bar for you and I’ll just take your script and drag my feet on production and have my people stop talking to you and crush your shitty little dream.” Duffy came off like an asshole, sure. They are a dime a dozen in Hollywood. He had a lot of people with their hand out (band, doc, friends). I don’t think people understand what this kind of pressure can do to a person. You have to have a huge ego to go from bartender to negotiations with Miramax and the film wouldn’t have happened without that ego (good or bad). It is the nature of art (or what you would consider art) that you are taking something personal and giving it to the world. To have someone like Harvey fuck with your dream would make anyone insane. If you haven’t set foot on a film set or never tried to create something then you wouldn’t understand the pressure and the dream. I personally tried to make my own shit college film and then moved on to work on (as a PA) an Independent film that will never go anywhere, short films and commercials. It’s a fucked up biz and Overnight reminded me of just how fucked up. FUCK I SPENT WAY TO LONG DEFENDING AN AVERAGE MOVIE. I just don’t understand the polarized love/hate.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    With regards to the Godfather....

    by Chakraborty

    ...I think part of the reason it never really appealed to me is because I'm Canadian, but that's only part of the equation because many Canadians love it. BUT, there is a male phenomenon in America whereby most males feel that in order to be more masculine, they have to emulate and idolize gangsters. That's the case with black (and other ethnic) males today with regards to gangster rap, and that's the case with white males and the Godfather films. It's this American male notion of how being more gangster equates to greater masculinity. <p> The Godfather films were boring to me, though technically well made, and I always considered gangsters to be scumbags. That's why when I first saw Boondock Saints it had a certain appeal to me, because they were slaughtering gangsters...the American icons of masculinity and douchebaggery.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I saw it AFTER I saw Overnight...

    by quantize

    and holy shit, Boondock Saints is easily the most self conscious mess of gibberish and hammy acting, shitty dialog and bad acting I've ever had the misfortune to witness. It was WORSE than i expected after seeing Overnight..I can completely understand why anyone would loathe people who like this film..its depressingly awful.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    in Duffy's defense?

    by meximedia

    Look, the first film was good, and after watching Overnight I was amazed the movie turned out so good with all the other crap going on. What I completely disagree with, is saying Duffy was shit on by the Hollywood system. No matter what you do or where you do it, you can't go around burning bridges and letting your ego run amok. You can be assertive and confident and not be a total douche-bag. How you react to pressure dictates the kind of person you are. And you can clearly see in the movie that a little fame got to him. Look, i'm not trying to be a hater, he was young then and I actually commend the guy for getting his movie made despite his past troubles. I look forward to checking this out.

  • you already have you dickwad

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Sadly, RedHorseVector...

    by Chakraborty

    ...many Godfather fans associate those films with a certain bravado and cool factor. "Never go against the family, Vito," is a favorite quote amongst douchebags. I kid...sort of. Even though the film isn't meant to glamorize gangster life...that's why many people love those films. <p> I think Scarface is a great film, like you said. But far too many douchebags have Scarface posters and T-shirts because they think that Tony Montana was the epitome of cool rather than a tragic figure.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I always felt the Godfather was a family movie

    by MacReady452

    It is about a family. A patriarch and a son forced to care for his family and assume the responsibilities his father worked years to put into place. I also always felt the "gangster" mentallity or the attraction of it was not so much due to the violence or the machismo but the idea of "success at all costs". Rappers and the like identify with Tony Montana because he came from nothing to become rich and powerful. Nevermind the fact that he is gunned down for being a fuckin asshole. Same with Vito.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Oh hell yeah!

    by MacReady452

    Success at all costs is the worst kind of misread message to take from these films. They are brutally murdered. People take what they want and forget the rest.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Mac I see some of your points...

    by PsimonSez

    But it makes you sound almost like an apologist for the douchebaggery that Duffy portrayed in Overnight. He exuded all of the asshat'edness when Harvey was showing him love. When Goldblum, Modine and Walhberg were having drinks with him in the bar. When he thought my man Ewan was going to be down with his ass. He was a jackass from the beginning. Just like the Goldman quote at the end - fame has a way of amplifying character traits that were always there. He treated his friends his family, everyone like utter shit. He deserved nothing. I am surprised you see anything other than that to be honest after watching him wear his true self on his sleeve. There is this great interview with the directors of the docu on this site and I would link if the search engine did not suck harder than Duffy but alas, it does. They go into other things about the flick. A good read.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST


    by Chakraborty

    "Success from nothing". You're right...those films, both Scarface and the Godfather, represent people achieving the American Dream. But they do it through blood, and at any cost, like you said. That represents all that's wrong with America, and how people screw each other over and think it's right. While Tony Montana (and Vito) were gunned down, Michael Corleone, the Godfather protagonist, was not. (Not sure about Godfather 3, never saw it). Overall, the Godfather films bored me, but I truly disliked the protagonists of those films, and they never really got their come uppance the way Tony Montana did, and so I didn't feel the pay off for characters who were reprehensible, in my opinion, even though they were films about family. And the rappers who idolize Tony Montana are often involved in criminal activities themselves.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by MacReady452

    The one thing that stuck out for me in Overnight was the woman(I forget her name) that was supposedly the studio contact that seemingly was MIA because she didn't like Duffy (I don't blame her). That really seemed to be the turning point of the whole movie. Because I was aware that he was going to become an epic asshole somewhere along the way in the doc I was intently watching waiting for that moment and when he couldn't get her on the line he flipped and it was all down hill. I am not trying to be an apologist just trying to see it both ways cause really we only get a negatively themed "doc". Lets be real this is as much of a "doc" as a Micheal Moore movie. Clear agenda. After the dust settles and we see the finished product knowing all of this it is a minor fuckin miracle that movie ever came out. The smallest amount of credit. Maybe?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Great movie


    The 2 funniest parts: 1) Willem Dafoe's Paul Smecker: "Cuddle? What a fag" after sleeping with his male lover who wants to cuddle. 2) Rocco: "Is it dead?" after banging the table setting off the gun which shoots the pet cat and spatters blood all over the wall. (watch it in slow mo the cat dummy splits in half.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by MacReady452

    I agree about the Godfather films just being dull for the most part. It just never drew me into that world. I appreciate them on certain levels but I never find myself saying, " I feel like watching the Godfather." Certainly a movie like To Kill A Mockingbird is much more in line with what I prefer to see as the American attitude. Atticus not the incest rape.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST


    by Raymar

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST


    by Shubniggorath

    Michael's daughter gets gunned down in his place and he dies alone of old age. Unfortunately Coppola's daughter was so bad an actress I cheered a little when she was killed...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Boondock Saints = kewl

    by 5 by 5

    I'm looking forward to the sequel.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST


    by MacReady452


  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    You know what I'd never like to see?

    by CherikeeRed

    Anything, anything at all, crafted by a grown man who chooses to wear overalls publicly.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    why no Dafoe?

    by rodneyfaile

    I think it can still be good without him, but I wiash he were in it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Saints 3: Saint Nicholas

    by rodneyfaile

    He's makin a list and checkin it twice .... and packin 2 glocks for the naughty.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    If a 14 year old saw a Tarantino flick and a John Woo flick and

    by Havok2000

    you'd have "Boondock Saints" ... and you do!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    This film should play on DoucheTV

    by Havok2000

    as often as "Not Without My Daughter" plays on Lifetime.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    that was funny, funny, FUNNY!

    by mamasam

    3rd funniest part DARKKNIGHTDETECTIVE: dafoe just plain old showing up in drag, and the mob goon not knowing!?! who could EVER think he was a female! ew, ew and ick!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Saints 5, New Orleans Saints: Port of Call

    by MacReady452

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Best scene in BOONDOCK SAINTS

    by Nachokoolaid

    Was after the shoot out and Rocco is all amped up and shit. The guys are like, "Rocco, you need to calm down." And Rocco's delivery on the response is classic. He says, "NO, YOU GUYS BETTER START GETTING FUCKING EXCITED." Always made me laugh.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Boondock Saints is fecking garbage...

    by shonin

    ... pure and simple. If it was just bad and made for a few thousand dollars then it might have been bad-funny. However, far too much rope was handed to Durrhffy and his twat pals and the outcome is one of the most overrated pieces of crap I've ever seen. Reading the testimony from die hard fans of Booncock Taints I can only come to the conclusion that they are 12 year old boys that haven't watched any other movies, or just complete cunts.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    You forgot that i also laughed at a scene involving the gratitious shooting of a pet.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    And 90% of the shit is still to be said. Tip of the iceberg only so far.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    In Godfather 2, Michael gets his comeuppence. But it's a moral one. and he gets it because be betrayed his own kin, by having his brother killed when he pretended he had make peace. I guess many would prefer a real phyisical comeuppence for Michael Corleone, like being arrested or killed. but that's not the point of the movie. The point of the movie is that to reach the heights he gets, he has to sacrifice everything. EVERYTHING. When i see that movie, i see the making of a monster, and in that last famous shot, michael ceased to be human, he's now a complete monster. His father, Vito Corleone, never fell as low because he still had one human element to him: his family, he was truly devoted to it. Michael even loses that. One of the reasons i don't happen to think of Godfather 3 as true part of the other two is the theme of redemption. I think michael Corleone should had never got redemption. He ends the second mvoie compeltly moraly bankrupt. That is his character's punishment and hell: he lost all humanity. Atempting to redemn him seems more like a case of a filmamker who fell too much inlove with a character, and it betrays the spirit of Godfather 2. And not even the death of his daughter would be punishment enough.<br><br>And this is what i love about Godfather Part II: that it has the integrity to show that this evil bastards most of the time they are never caught and get scott free on their crimes, but they end up alone, completly alone. Sucess at any cost, Godfather Part II is a great example of what it really entails. And the american Dream was not corrupted by the immigrant gangsters, it had already been corrupted many many decades before in the old west.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST

    I don't think anyone considers Godfather 3 canon

    by Stabby

    Even Francis Ford Coppola.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    "the last shot of godfather 2 is the ending and it says everything."<br><br>Absolutly. And it's one of the most haunting endings i ever seen.<br><br>And you know what's funny about that joke? The funny part of the joke is the racism of the white guy, and as an extention, the generalized racism that stioll ec«xists among white people, regardless if they want toadmit or not. PC shit like calling the indians as native-americans is still a good indication of the premanence of racism in our cyulture, even when we try to cure it by using terminology which in theend is as descriminatory as the old terms of "redskins" and "naturals". The funny shit in the joke is that if there would be no more blacks and indians in America, then the while people would find it a perfect place with no great desires to be fullfilled. The joke is on the white dudes, the joke is on the racists. And it's funny, pure and simple.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by AsimovLives

    Actually, Francis Ford Coppola does consider the 3rd Godfather movie as part of canon, but also he has the closest personal feelings to it, more then the others.

  • March 2, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Get tickets to the first Boondock Saints!

    by eyeshine

    Boondock Saints In theaters March 11th! One time only in all theaters! This is going to be awesome people!!!

  • March 2, 2010, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by orcus