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Ausiello: DOLLHOUSE To Skip November Sweeps, Double-Up To Movie-Length In December!!

Published at: Oct. 22, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

I am – Hercules!! The bad news: Fox will pull “Dollhouse” from Fridays during November sweeps, sources tell Entertainment Weekly’s Michael Ausiello. The better news: Ausiello's sources also say Fox will air two episodes of “Dollhouse” back-to-back on Friday nights in December. I believe "Dollhouse" makes a much better lead-in for "Dollhouse" than "Brothers" or "'Til Death." Fox execs have indicated they intend air all 13 season-two “Dollhouses” ordered despite its continued poor ratings in the network’s Friday Death Slot. I asked Ausiello what might be airing on Fox Friday in November. He said he had no idea, but offered repeats of the doll-free “House” as a guess. “House” is Fox’s top-rated scripted show, so I’d judge that a good guess. New “Dollhouse” installment 2.4 airs this Friday. The screener I just received indicates that 2.5 will air Friday, Oct. 30 -- but that episode may now be delayed to December since Oct. 30 is the first Friday of sweeps. Find all of Ausiello’s exclusive here.
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  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    This Is All The Fault Of Buffywrestling

    by Media Messiah

    Well, someone has to be blamed, right?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    4 week is December x 2 episodes each

    by MrD

    Equals the end of the 13 episode run and the end of the series. Wheedon, thwarted again.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    (shakes head)

    by the_patriot

    Yes, Fox. God forbid you want to air a show during a time which sets your advertising rates. Not just Dollhouse, but *any* show. You certainly wouldn't want to...you know...attract viewers or something.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    The beginning of the end . ..

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Just saying.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    the beginning of the end? really?

    by Hercules

    because I was kind of thinking the beginning of the end was when Fox announced two springs ago that Dollhouse was headed into the Friday Death Slot. I was kind of thinking that.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Fuck

    by EvilElecBlanket

    This season has been great, and seems to know where it is going. I wasn't a fan of last season, just watched it out of loyalty to Whedon. Fox please don't screw this up! The show will have legs if is just gets some support from you. The fans are already there to help out.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    There's a House repeat scheduled for October 30...

    by Barry_Woodward

    October 23 "Belonging" is the last episode of Dollhouse until December 4. http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8350

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:31 p.m. CST

    BRING ON THE FRAKKIN' YANKEES!

    by PennsyDeux

    Yes, I was shouting. This is just so unusual for Philadelphians; for years, our sports teams were always the one who came up short. It's nice for now to have the shoe on the other foot. <p> A-Roid; you're next! :D

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Okay. So it's the middle of the end.

    by StarWarsRedux

    I tried watching when it first started-- didn't do it for me (plus I have "Clone Wars" on Fridays, obviously). Watched "Epitaph One" online, and thought it made better television than anything Whedon was involved in before-- did more with the concept of "Dollhouse" than anything I'd seen in season one. Tried watching some of this season, but again, it went nowhere for me. <p>Eh. I've tried to give Whedon a chance on each of his series. Never bought into "Buffy" uber-fandom. Couldn't sit through the first twenty minutes of the "Firefly" pilot without turning it off (awful visual direction, and I just didn't care for the old-timey slang). "Dollhouse" intrigued me with its concept, but again, only that little seen "Epitaph One" has done anything with it that I don't find boring. I feel for Whedon's fans, but it's just not my fight.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    I'll just repost this here:

    by buffywrestling

    LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- Less than a week after announcing its November sweeps schedule (read the story), FOX is already making some changes. Network sources have confirmed Friday entries "Brothers," "'Til Death" and "Dollhouse" will all go on hiatus after their October 23 airings. A rebroadcast of "House's" two-hour season premiere will sub in for the night on October 30 with additional repeats of "House" and "Bones" taking over for the rest of the month. <p> "Dollhouse" will then return with back-to-back originals starting at 8:00/7:00c on December 4, 11 and 18. <p> As for the comedies, "Brothers" will permanently shift to Sundays at 7:00/6:00c starting November 8 with back-to-back originals also set for December 13 and 27. No return date for "'Til Death" however was given. <p> To recap: <p> Friday, October 23 8:00/7:00c - "Brothers" 8:30/7:30c - "'Til Death" 9:00/8:00c - "Dollhouse" <p> Friday, October 30 8:00/7:00c - "House: Broken" (Two-Hour Repeat) <p> Fridays (as of November 6) 8:00/7:00c - "House" (Repeat) 9:00/8:00c - "Bones" (Repeat) <p> Sundays (as of November 8) 7:00/6:00c - "Brothers" 7:30/6:30c - (Various Programming)* <p> Fridays (December 4-18) 8:00/7:00c - "Dollhouse" 9:00/8:00c - "Dollhouse" <p> * additional first-run episodes of "Brothers" will air on December 13 and 27 /end <p> The Summer Glau 2-parter airs the beginning of Dec & for Jan Dollhouse is supposedly getting a new lead-in to finish off the season.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Is there anyone more useless than Michael Ausiello?

    by YackBacker

    This guy sucks the shit out of a septic tank. A complete douche.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I'm glad that the 2-parter

    by buffywrestling

    isn't going to be split up but what's confusing me is why they would run Glau promos, send out screeners for the Oct.30 ep yesterday and then change the schedule today. Why even bother sending out a press release with the scheduling and summaries for November just 5 days ago when they could have just announced the same thing as they did today? No one would have been surprised if the original press release said that it was going to be off the air for sweeps.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I agree with you there. He's so fucking smarmy. He's like so vague with his spoilers. EW as whole, is worthless.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Dullhouse hasn't been cancelled already?

    by TheBaxter

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Should be cancelled 6 months ago!

    by Saen

    It is not now or ever was on the level of Firefly. The very concept is terrible, persona of the week woooooooo... I have believed Whedon made this for Fox just to see if they would pay him for a really dumb idea.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Friday Death Slot

    by Mono

    Just wanted to do Herc a favor and mention that Friday Death Slot a few more times. I don't think he (Friday Death Slot) mentions it enough whenever he talks about Dollhouse. But, listen, seriously. Herc, don't you think it's a slight disservice to Fox to always mention the death slot whenever Dollhouse's ratings come up? As if it would be killing if it was on another night. Ignoring that the show, so far, is a nigh unwatchable trainwreck of lameness. (I'm still holding out hope that it will get good...)

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Remember when good shows actually aired on Fridays?

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Nowaday the networks almost treat it like a virus, but there are still some good shows on Fridays! I usually tune to USA network before and after Dollhouse!<p>The thing about Dollhouse is that Joss knew what was happening with slot and he still haven't gone balls-to-walls with some kickass action!<p>Maybe he disappoint about being shoved there and not give a fuck? Hopefully he knows that Fox just doesn't give a shit about his shows and maybe he should concentrate on his movies.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    phillies!!!!!!!!!!

    by alice133

    phillies!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Once upon a time good shows aired on Saturdays too.

    by Hercules

    New episodes of MASH, All in the Family, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart. Now I think the only new show in Saturday primetime is 48 Hours Mystery (now with accused blackmailer!).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Lucky Smallville has its mid-season break

    by pattylaurie

    I'm not sure Dollhouse could compete with the veteran series, given its live audience is rising each week, and will rocket when Clark and Lois finally get together next week, secret revealed and all ;)

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    SV "Society" episode = $5M TV movie

    by pattylaurie

    Most expensive episode of *anything* produced by the CW, and will broadcast as a two hour TV movie.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    I get a free subscription to EW, but I don't read it...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    It's gotten worse over the past few years. It's now like US magazine, and the editors are starfuckers (getting Diablo Cody to write a pointless column, as one example). EW goes from my mailbox and straight to the recycling bin.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon and Mutant Enemy should go

    by Amadeo Zeller

    to Cable TV. Showtime or HBO would be fertile ground for an "R" rated Buffy/Angel-Verse Spin-Off...Think of the possibilities? Joss, it's time to forsake the limitations, and the unreasonable "NIELSEN'S ADDICTED" expectations of network television and make that jump!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Once upon a time good shows aired on Saturdays P. 2

    by Amadeo Zeller

    Hell, don't forget Mannix and Mission Impossible was on Saturday night also...That was my shit when I was a young'n.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Whorehouse deserves to die.

    by Stegman84

    I'm not a Whedon hater, I own complete sets of Buffy, Angel and Firefly on dvd, watched all three on first run when they aired, was one of the few who bothered to go see Serenity during its theatrical run, and have also read a great many Whedon penned comics, but the fact remains that Dollhouse is, at best, a mediocre mess of a show, and at worst, dull and repetitive shite. <p>I have watched every episode, frankly struggling through far too many of them, and the through line story has so far gone nowhere at all, while the characters, likewise, haven't grown an ounce since the pilot. Seriously, forward development on this show is so slow its almost in reverse.<p> Yeah, the Epitaph One episode was kinda cool, but look again at that and realise why. It was because it wasn't anything like the other epiodes or the overall show in general, it broke programming and did something different within the general bounds of the concept, something that actually worked, only to revert fully to game as normal with season 2's episodes thus far. Yes, very, very occasionally there have been moments, glimpses of something better lurking there, but those moments are rare, all too fleeting, and never actually amount to anything. And you can't blame anyone but Whedon for this, after all Fox has given this show, which has pretty much been a disaster from day one, a hell of a lot more rope than it frankly deserved given the mediocre quality and rapidly diminishing audience, and this season it was all proclaimed from the rooftops how Joss now had full and complete control with zero interference, and look at what we have seen so far this season as a result of getting the full Whedon on this show - more of the same, only worse. <p>Firefly deserved better, this show deserves a vullet in the head so that everyone concerned can move on and hopefully find projects of greater quality to work on instead.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Make that a bullet in the head, not a vullet...

    by Stegman84

    Nothing deserves a vaginal mullet in the head. Then again...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    No Dollhouse until December?

    by Xiphos_2

    So no insane rants from MM and no MM ass kickings by buffywrestling for a month? Oh man that sucks but I guess I need to get used to that fact since the show is now enjoying a Margarita in cancellationville.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Dollhouse? More like DULLHOUSE

    by F-18

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Dollhouse was an awful tittle

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Guys don't watch shows called Dollhouse. Why not call it "Mindwipe" or "Rebirth" or something cool?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    so dollhouse has been canned...

    by TheDark0Knight

    thats essentially whats happening by airing back 2 back eps, they only have to air it for a month in december, then Dollhouse will be canceled for good...not really sad, but I do like he show, it just could have been so much more. Hopefully Whedon creates something next that people can actually get behind without having to slave through half a season of bullshit.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Proof that its cancelled. No sweeps.

    by V'Shael

    Joss, rather like Buffy I suppose, never learned a god damned thing.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Small update

    by buffywrestling

    to the futon critic memo: <p> [UPDATED!] Following its double runs in December, we've also confirmed that "Dollhouse" will return to its regular Friday, 9:00/8:00c time slot in January preceded by programming to be announced. Note that FOX will air its coverage of the 76th Sugar Bowl on Friday, January 1. <p> And finally, assuming its schedule remains as is, "Brothers" will have aired all 13 of its episodes by the end of the year." <p> So new lead-in for Jan & it looks like the show will be done on the 22nd.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    @buffywrestling

    by Jaydog

    Hmmmmm.....looks like you're the one eating crow after all, my sweet, lol. So let's see, what was part was I wrong about again? The part about Dollhouse not airing in November sweeps? Or the part about it not making it to the Spring? Oh wait, I know....I was right about both. You owe me a drink. ;) -J.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:17 a.m. CST

    What is this "Sweeps Week"?

    by masteryoda007

    Can anyone tell me what this is? I never have a clue what they refer to when they mention this.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Whatever - kill this and focus on Anarchy

    by BoE

    I really don't care about Dollhouse - effeminate fanboy soft porn. Get a TB started on Sons of Anarchy and, when it finally comes around, Friday Night Lights. These shows are amazing. Great writing, great acting, fun, challenging plot lines.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    UK Scifi season 2 airings

    by SoupDragon

    Season 2 just started on Sci-Fi (nope, the channel hasn't been rebranded as SYFY in the UK yet) Soon Dollhouse will catch up with the US airings. Maybe this will be another case of overseas getting the episodes aired before the US? But more likely it will just go on hiatus until the US airings have gone out.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Shifty!Jaydog

    by buffywrestling

    You're still wrong somehow, I just haven't figured out about what yet.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Letter To Joss Whedon:

    by Media Messiah

    Create an account on AICN.com...and comment here on this Talkback. It would be interesting to hear your take on the show, not in a humor laced comment, or series of comments, but rather, it would be nice to read your full and open view of the show and what you are attempting to accomplish with it via its ongoing narrative.<BR><BR>Well, you have and open invitation here to both surprise, and to rally the troops. I hope you accept it. <BR><BR>Sincerely, MM

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:06 a.m. CST

    MM

    by one_guy_from_andromeda_

    hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    MM - Rally the troops?

    by BoE

    Are you fucking kidding me? Christ fanboys are deluded. And sad.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:41 a.m. CST

    @Media Messiah. What would it take?

    by V'Shael

    What would take (apart from 100 volts directly to the brain) for you to realise that Joss doesn't read this site? I'm genuinely curious. Is your delusion unassailable, like a creationists, where no amount of counter-evidence would ever be enough?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    MM - invite him to your house

    by BoE

    You and Joss should really take this off line and hammer out the details in a summit of some sort - man to man - y'know? Get your mom to make some of the hot pockets you like - make it classy. I really think this is the only way this is going to get sorted out properly. Post your specifics and give him a deadline. Do it soon - the internet is counting on you. Good luck and God bless.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Rally the troops!!!!

    by spike fan

    Its a TV show its not a war. As for those comments he does, Why do you think he posts those cause fanboys think its oh so clever and he doesnt have to awnser any tough or searching questions (Not that Herc would ever ask his hero one anyway). Basically the whole Dollhouse thing was a vehicle for Eliza Dushku cause Fox (One of whose execs she's dating) she bought Whedon on board who wanted a job and Fox have given it two seasons and am sure wanted it to work if only too justify the contract they gave Eliza. It just has not worked. There is no mystrey, no conspiracy the awnsers simple The actress is not skilled or versatile enough to pull off a lead with multiple personalties while Whedons writing has been mediocre at best.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by theGoldbergV

    is comedy GOLD. Never fails to raise a smile. As for Dollhouse, well...damn. Joss, go to HBO next.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Fair point about Herc

    by BoE

    Can we get someone else (or in addition) to handle the tv talkbacks? Can't this site wrangle an interview with someone who works at one of the networks? Fuckin' TV Guide has more insight into whats happening on the tube. Heres a question - why did all the networks load up on Thursday night? Everyone has been asking about this and no one has talked to Fox or ABC or the others about why they thought Fringe or FF or any of the other shows belonged on that night. Fucking pick up a phone and make a call - tell them you're calling from nerd central; someone may answer eventually. And also, stop telling me about SNL - no one gives a shit about that show. Clearly you are harkening back to some formative childhood experience and none of us want to live in that sad world so just keep it to yourself. Get me a Sons of Anarchy and Friday Night Lights and Fringe TB and do it now and be grateful, old man.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Smallville Ratings Up!!!!!!

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Yet what do we get, more fucking Dollhouse news that no one gives a monkeys left testicle about!!!!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST

    @Spikefan

    by V'Shael

    "The actress is not skilled or versatile enough to pull off a lead with multiple personalties" <p> I think you've summed it up there nicely. It was one of my biggest complaints about the show from day one. Eliza may be cute as hell, but she is a terrible actress. (So is Sarah Michelle Prinze for that matter.)

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    I like the show

    by Mr Gorilla

    I loved Firefly, never really watched Buffy. I think Dollhouse is a good show. I think the episodic stories are exciting. I think the series-arc stories drip through at the right rate. I find myself caring about the characters. It is definitely very challenging: the premise is so disgusting, but you kind of go along with it. I like the way each episode is very distinctive. And I like the ideas in it - to me it definitely feels like a 21st century Prisoner. I have recommended it to a friend and he loves it too. I realise that some people find Whedon's smart-alec dialogue a bit wearisome, but if it a choice between that and the seriousness of, say, Flashforward, I know which I'm choosing. Am genuinely surprised by the very energetic criticisms the show is getting here.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:58 a.m. CST

    I'll be upset if they shitcan Dollhouse.

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    I love the show. Didn't even want to watch it at first because of Fox's history of show-killing, but after it was renewed for S2, I bought the DVD set of S1. Of course, now, I love it and here it is on the bubble yet again. I should've known. <p> I hope Joss does what has been suggested here on the TB and take Mutant Enemy over to HBO or Showtime. It seems people automatically take shows seriously on the pay cable networks and Whedon certainly needs to set up shop at a place where audiences will take note of him. Or, he could just continue to be Fox's favorite bitch.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:15 a.m. CST

    And to the guy who said there's no mystery or conspiracy...

    by Mr Gorilla

    I've watched all of Series 1 and the Epitaph 1 episode and there are PLENTY of mysteries in there. Why did Caroline join the Dollhouse, for example? What lead up to that opening scene in the first episode? And the whole Dollhouse organisation is a massive conspiracy - how does it work, what levels of government are aware of it, and when are when are people going to start using it as a political or military weapon? (An army of dolls is a pretty terrifying prospect.) What led to the meltdown, who kicked off the thing mentioned in Epitaph about answering the phone (won't do more detail so as not to spoil). I hate to be rude here, but to say that there is no mystery or conspiracy in the series is to strip those words of their meaning.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Am I insane, or did ST:TNG air on Saturdays?

    by turketron_2

    I could have sworn that as a kid I watched the first run of Star Trek: The Next Generation on Saturday nights. Does anyone know?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla I did not mean with in the show

    by spike fan

    itself but about the show being (or soon to be) dropped. EG The evil fox suits out to sabotage Joss Whedon etc etc. It was nothing to do with the story or actual plot itself. LightStomer in the UK the BBC and Anthony Head have been and still are open for years for doing a Giles series (In the UK a series is normally only about 6 episodes) which was an idea Whedon himself first floated. An Adult show with some good writing with a location outside LA (Does anyone else get bored with LA as the background in shows??) with out it taking years or him having to worry about sweeps and ratings that could attract critical acclaim as Both the Office and Life on Mars got. Why does he refuse cause the money and expousre at Fox is to good for him to turn down simple as.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Sorry Spike

    by Mr Gorilla

    Totally misread - my fault.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Also, I still HAVE NOT watched this show

    by turketron_2

    I have all of season 1, epitaph 1, and the season 2 premiere ready for my viewing but just haven't watched it yet. I tried watching the first episode but the first scene just didn't grab me at all, so I turned it off. From the sounds of this talkback, I haven't missed anything. I enjoyed most of Joss's previous work (especially Angel and Firefly though I suspect other writers like Drew Goddard were responsible for the awesomeness of Angel) so I hope he has success on something else in the future.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Move to FX

    by The Cabin Boy

    Obviously I'm no expert on how these companies synergize and all but why isn't moving Dollhouse to FX an option? FOX has already fucked up the ads and promotion of this show beyond repair to make it look like some sort of show about models and whatnot -- so why not move the thing to FX where it would probably do pretty well comparatively?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST

    TNG

    by honk_mahfah

    TNG was syndicated; it aired whatever day your local station decided to air it. It was Saturday for me, too.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST

    So basically, Fox is burning off the remaining episodes

    by SpyGuy

    Pass on Sweeps month because DOLLHOUSE won't bring in the ratings and burn the remaining episodes off in December when nobody will be watching anyway.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Sounds like the beginning of the end to me.

    by fiester

    I mean, Fox is basically saying "We don't think your show performs well enough to play in sweeps (where we make our money)" so how does that bode well for its continuation?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Whedon to FX or AMC

    by fiester

    He has battered-wife syndrome with Fox. Why he would ever take a phone call from that network again...I don't know. He should up and go to a cable network where he will have the freedom and support to do what he wants.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    you guys can't count!

    by Titus05

    I'm guessing that Math was not most talkbackers strong subject...there will be 1 episode left after all the December shows have aired...the 4th episode airs tomorrow...in December there will be 4 weeks multiplied by 2 episodes each...that equals 8...8 + 4 that already aired= 12...meaning 1 episode left...2 if you count the lost Epitaph One from last season...does this mean we will also lose an episode this year also?...oh I hear Season 3 is amazing :)

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    House Repeat Better For Sweeps?

    by Crow3711

    Ouch. To say a repeat of a doctor show will most likely grab you more ratings than a new sci-fi show with hot chicks during fucking sweeps is really, really depressing. I don't like Dollhouse, at all, I watched the first few episodes and realized Dushku makes me want to kill myself, but still...that's fucking embarassing. How is Whedon allowed to make tv still?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Another Whedon failure

    by Rhinosaur

    Love it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    This show really deserves to die.

    by NinjaRap

    Unlike Buffy, Angel and Firefly, Dollhouse is just bad TV.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Seriously Joss

    by Rhuragh

    Give up on network TV and move to fucking cable. Take off the family-safe blinders, and let loose your R-Rated majesty. HBO, Showtime, FX, whatever. Just do it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    PennsyDeux

    by HoboCode

    Fuck you and the rest of the whiney ass fucking Philly fans. Try being a Cleveland fan, douche. No NBA Championship, failed NHL franchise, second longest drought in baseball (1948) and an "NFL Championship" in 1964 before it was even called the Super Bowl. So pardon me if I don't shed any tears for your lack of championships or wish for your Phillies' continued success.<p> And just to be clear here: Fuck the Yankees as well. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    I've liked all of Joss' shows

    by Rob0729

    But this one is the weakest of the bunch. Very uneven show. Some great episodes, some mind-numbingly boring episodes.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Joss will eventually be doing puppet shows.

    by NinjaRap

    He did TV, and complained that people criticized him and networks interfered. He did a movie, and said he enjoyed the lack of feedback that let him write what he wanted, but he complained that the studio interfered too much. He did a web-based series, and said that it gave him the best creative experience yet because he was totally free to do what he wanted... but of course, I'm sure he noticed that the web series' ending still got criticized by his fans/viewers. Next I figure he'll do puppet shows for his wife, but get upset when his wife criticizes his writing. Then he'll be reduced to doing puppet shows for himself.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    MM as reliable as a swiss watch

    by Xiphos_2

    Right nutter butter?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    The reason I stopped watching is simple:

    by gooseud

    I made it through about 3/4 of season 1, I stopped right around the episode with the fake Echo escape. The reason were simple: A) the more you see of Echo without Dollhouse programming, you realize she was a whiny pushy annoying douchebag pre-Dollhouse (and whenever her programming drops and her real self shines through), thus negating any rooting interest to see her free herself. B) the FBI agent guy cant act. He sucks. He sucked in BSG and sucks here, a one note prick who sucks the life out of any scene he was in. My favorite scene of the series was when Patton Oswalt basically laughed in his face when FBI guy tried to act like a hard ass, basically completely punked him and exposed his character for the powerless douchebag he is. C) any side storyline. They all suck. Asian chick and Italian guy's forbidden love? Boring (plus she cant act). All side characters in the show aside from the ex-cop handler are black holes of interest or charisma.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Dollhouse got two seasons

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    one more than Journeyman or Firefly. <p>

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I told you! Herc is already blaming Fox for the failure

    by Stabby

    of Dollhouse. Not placing the blame where it really lies: Joss Whedon!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    All involved have already been signed

    by kabong

    for their next flop series.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Joss need to decide whether money or creativity?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Which is more important to you. <p> You want money you make a show for Eliza, that has a simple premise, full of action and doesnt require great acting, not necessarily a Faith tv show, but something like that. Thats what Fox wanted. <p> You want to make a show about a very challenging premise, a lot of grey area, you put the show on cable, have little to no restrictions on content, language, sex etc and have Amy Acker star. <p> Make one or other, you can't blend it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    I always hated Helo on BSG

    by Stabby

    Self-centered, self-righteous prick who was persistently unprofessional and constantly betrayed his post and Adama and yet somehow always got away with murder.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Tru Calling was a better show than Dollhouse

    by Stabby

    You know it's tru!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon gets more chances than Norm MacDonald

    by Stabby

    Another one of HERC's favorites.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    PennsyDeux & alice123, GO PHUCKIN' PHILLIES!!!

    by Stabby

    Finally, America will have to take the Phillies seriously when we kick the Yucking Fankees asses!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by OlafGladNBig

    The show may have those mysteries in there but they never deal with them. Instead every week they come up with a new hooker mission that is the central story, focused on Echo of course cause she's the star. That's why the show is frustrating because they have a good premise for the show but instead of dealing with it they get into the nitty gritty of programmable hookers.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    stabby like your passion even if I am Yankees fan

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The HBO/cable thing

    by Mr Gorilla

    They do have a point.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I have a confession to make- I now watch SMALLVILLE

    by YackBacker

    I haven't watched the series for a good several years, but knowing that the weird Lana-Lex-Clark dynamic no longer dominated the show, I decided to give it a new look this season. Is it a good show? Not really- I think Welling is not a good actor (but not a terrible one either) and some of the stories are silly to a fault, but I do like the Clark-Lois material. I watch it online when I've run out of internet... I've only watched this season's episodes, there's little chance whatsoever that I'll go and dig up old episodes from seasons past. But... the show has me watching again!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Another Joss post

    by buffywrestling

    from whedonesque[dot]com: <p> "....Howzabout that schedule? Well, I'm not as depressed as everyone else. We weren't about to rock sweeps anyway, and though there's a chilly November, December is CRAZY. It's like an Advent calendar of episodes! We get November to try to spread the word (which I'll be leaning on Fox to do, though it's hard to imagine them doing as good a job as the WhyIWatch guy) and then December is pure gluttony. Plus the episodes line up extremely well in these pairs, and we'll have an absurdly appropriate lead-in...." <p> I snipped the other parts not concerning the schedule.[Glee talk & his reaction to TV addicts open letter. Cue loon envy.]

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Possible schedule, so far

    by buffywrestling

    S204 – 23/10/09 <p> S205/06 – 04/12/09 <p> S207/08 – 11/12/09 <p> S209/10 – 18/12/09 <p> 2 Dollhouse reruns - 25/12/09 <p> Football - 01/01/10 <p> S211 – 08/01/10 <p> S212 – 15/01/10 <p> S213 – 22/01/10

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Fucking FOX!

    by Logan_1973

    They continue to fuck things up. Fucking idiots running the show over there...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Miyamoto

    by Stabby

    You're a rare breed of Yankees fan. You must not be from New York.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    V'Shael: Joss Whedon Reads Whedonesque.com

    by Media Messiah

    And he regularly comments there. Whedon does not own that site. It is an independent fan run site. So, if he would comment there, as he regularly does, he may just break pattern, and comment here.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    PS: I Hope Joss Comments Here Just To Shock You All

    by Media Messiah

    I don't care if he registers and comments as a Talkbacker in his own name, or sits down with Herc for an interview...although I hope he does both. I hope he does it just to shock you guys...and show that your comments do matter.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    LOL, Fox bows to Stargate Universe on SyFy... on CABLE!!!!!!

    by ahdvd

    The days of Fox are numbered, they've decided to put off showing dollhouse for about 6 weeks then, just conveniently at the point when SyFy (still a stupid f**king name) stops Stargate Universe for it's mid-season hiatus halfway through it's 20 episode season. SGU beat it for ratings each week on a Cable channel in the same timeslot so Fox have decided not to run against it. Smart, but unless Dollhouse gets a signifigant increase in viewers during the double-ep airings, i sense that it won't be back for a third season.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    About Stargate Universe

    by turketron_2

    Ugghhhh... that show... I want to like it but it's dragging it's fucking feet! The drama is annoying most of the time, and I zone out whenever the guy does the body swap to visit his woman. <p> SG1 and Atlantis were fun, SGU is not. Some shit needs to go down soon because the "human drama" that they insist on making the center of the show is lame for the most part. Unlikeable asshole Dr. Rush is the only character I care about, and I'm supposed to hate him!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I tried to watch SGU

    by Naughty

    But it was boring as hell! As for Dollhouse...it has improved a lot over last year.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    turketron_2

    by ahdvd

    I'm really getting into Stargate Universe, loving the way it's feeling a lot more like a realistic sci-fi show, and the pasing isok for me, as it feels more natural, not just 'action episode of the week' - we're actually seeing these people as they are having to survive on the ship, not just 'this episode' and then next week we cut to everything hunky dorey (one of the things i liked about the early Alias episodes, each episode continues roughly from the last one so it doesnt feel like we've missed something in between episodes.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Add Grace Park to Dollhouse-- Instant Recipe for Success

    by kbarber29

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Nothing can save this show

    by cromulent

    Buffy. Firefly. Battlestar. They threw everything in here except Star Tr-...oh wait Jonathan Frakes is directing the next episode. And at least Matt Winston had a cameo. I like him.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    It's. Not. Canceled.

    by oisin5199

    Sweeps is about Nielsen ratings. Fox knows that Dollhouse doesn't bring in ratings, but performs on DVR and DVD. So it's just business. They're even airing into January. They'll at least play the rest of the 13. But I wouldn't be surprised if more episodes were ordered. We'll see. But please, quit the 'I told you so' crap. It's not canceled.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    2 episodes get em while they're fresh

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Felica Day should never be allowed to act again.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Ready to Never See DOLLHOUSE Again on TV?

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I am. And so is Fox, apparently. Despite the promises, this show will not be back on the schedule.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Wow, some people still think this isn't cancelled?

    by Stegman84

    The series is done folks, accept it, enjoy what's left (if you are one of the few who actually enjoy this show) and prepare to move on, because if you seriously think this show is getting any more episodes made past the 13 promised, then not only can you not see the writing on the wall, you must be so blind that you can't even see the wall itself. Just be thankful that Fox is bankrolling the whole 13 still, and gave Whedon enough advance notice to create some degree of closure with what is left. <p>But seriously, more episodes aren't happening any more than Giles getting his own BBC series, or the Faith series getting made, or those Angel tv movies, or Serenity dtv sequels. As for Dollhouse, it's passed on, Dollhouse is no more, it has ceased to be. It has expired and gone to meet its maker. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If it hadn't gone to dvd it'd already have been pushing up the daisies. Its filmic processes are now history. Its off the sked. Dollhouse has kicked the bucket, shut the editing bay, closed the curtain, and joined the friggin' choir invisible. THIS IS AN EX-TV SHOW!

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Um just because they used actors from BSG, etc

    by lockesbrokenleg

    does not equal a great show see Stargate for example.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    I Would Have Used The Aussie Asian Girl From T: SCC

    by Media Messiah

    Yes, that young lady, the girl who appeared in a brief story arc on Terminator: SCC, is somebody to watch--and could, and should be, a real break-out star. She is now on the new Melrose Place playing a high clas prostitute. Well, she deserves much better. I don't know her name, but man...would she have been great on Dollhouse--well, in a more linear version where the Dolls could emote...such as the storyline I was suggesting. Anyway, let's not get into that. Back to the matter at hand--this actress...is a real find.<BR><BR>Kudos to the folks who produced TV's Terminator for discovering, and casting her! Now someone in Hollywood (Joss Whedon!!!)...get behind her career...and make it happen!!!

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST

    @Media Messiah.. Way to dodge the fucking question.

    by V'Shael

    I know you frequently ignore anything that doesn't fit into your world view, but do try to pay attention. <p> No one questioned whether Joss posted on Whedonesque.com. <p> Now, what evidence would be required to prove to you, that you're wrong, and that Joss doesn't follow Dollhouse talkbacks on AICN, has no idea who you are, etc... Like every sane person here has been trying to get through to you. <p> I am genuinely curious if your delusion is unassailable in the face of ANY evidence. My suspicion, after seeing your psychotic "psy ops" bullshit, is that it is. And even if Joss came to your house and told you he doesn't read talkbacks, you'd convince yourself he had to say it for legal reasons or something.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    V'Shael: You Are Obviously The One Who Is...

    by Media Messiah

    ...dellusional if you don't think Joss Whedon isn't well aware of AICN and Herc's efforts on behalf of his work. He, Whedon, has industry colleagues (from directors to craft services people, etc.), family, friends, even acquaintances, strangers, reporters, publicists, agents, and fans (including at the many comic book conventions he attends), who tell him of such things--plus...the star/producer of the show Eliza D...Twitters about Dollhouse, and I am sure AICN.com has come-up a time, or two, with either her or Joss, considering all that I just pointed-out. It's a big world, with many people on the internet, lest you forget--but I guess you have forgotten, haven't you? Joss Whedon does not live an isolated existence in some small box hidden somewhere on the island that Lost takes place on, or perhaps that is your world view?

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Again, NEVER said he wasn't aware of HERC

    by V'Shael

    Good god, I think you KNOW your delusions are unassailable. You're just unwilling to admit it. <p> And for the record, no, Eliza has never twittered about AICN.com <p> Anyway, you're clearly incapable of answering the question, so I've got my answer.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    I Know I'm Sexy

    by Media Messiah

    And you can't get enough of my sexiness, but I'm going to pull a Buffywrestling on you, and ignore you, just to do it, the same way Buffy did me. Haha!!!

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Like I said.. I got my answer.

    by V'Shael

    If I was to take anything positive out of it (as I frequently try because I'm such an upbeat asshole) it's that you're clearly closer to the final psychotic break, than to the first one. Maybe when that last load-bearing neuron breaks with an audible snap, you'll get the help you so desperately need.