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Shocker! Lucasfilm says this rumored new Star Wars trilogy filmed in 3-D is a buncha malarkey!

Published at: Oct. 21, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The nice folks at MarketSaw ran a hardcore rumor today, claiming a source has told them that Lucas is planning a new Star Wars Trilogy to be shot in 3-D... And that he wasn't directing, but there was rumor of Steven Spielberg and Francis Ford Coppola finally getting to make their Star Wars movies. Yeah, so if that didn't smell already check the wording of the article...
"Well it is coming from a source that SHOULD KNOW. This source is absolutely connected. So odds are it is seriously being talked about at Lucasfilm. Right now. Will it happen? AVATAR will have to hit and hit big and then all the stars have to align properly - all I can do is pass on the info."
That's repeated a few times in the article, saying that Avatar has to be a success for the 3-D screens to be there or there will never be new Star Wars movies ever! So you better make sure Avatar does super good! Sounds to me like their source is someone at Fox trying to get some people to believe that by buying a ticket to Avatar they're ensuring new Star Wars movies to me. That said, stranger shit has happened, so I contacted Laura Wuhlhammer of Lucasfilm's Public Relations department and asked her about the rumor. This is the first response:
Hi Eric, Thanks for your email. Lucasfilm is not currently working on a 3D version of the Star Wars movies. Best, Laura
Wait... that reads like a denial of them actively working on retrofitting the Original Trilogy to 3-D. So I wanted to make damn sure what she was saying, be positive she wasn't snaking around the question, so I wrote back a clarifying email, distinguishing the OT and PT 3-D-ification vs. a whole new set of Star Wars movies.
Hi Eric, We do not have any Star Wars theatrical movies planned. Thanks, Laura
That's more like it. Now, I will say that Lucasfilm would be the last place to confirm a rumor as true... even if it is (they did that a lot back in the day... I remember them denying Ewan McGregor was cast as Obi-Wan for the entire month leading up to their announcement), but this story already stinks of untruth (especially with Coppola's name being thrown in there... read this), so I think it's pretty safe to call BS on this one... especially with Lucas so engulfed in the live action TV show at the moment. I think the part about Lucas waiting for 3-D screens is true, but so he can restart the 3-D versions of the first 6 movies and send them out as huge rereleases not to start a brand new trilogy. I've seen the test footage of the opening of A New Hope in 3-D and it's really great. Would love to see him to follow through on that. We have some feelers out to more informal sources who might be more inclined to confirm any truth to this rumor than a PR person, but I expect we'll turn up nada. If we do find anything else interesting we'll update this article. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com Follow Me On Twitter



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  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Persistence

    by Cpt. Arnoldo

    Good work.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    1st?

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    ??

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    nope

    by GINGE_MUPPET

    Arse.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    First

    by Dr_Proteus

    Yes!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Dammit

    by Dr_Proteus

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    What does JettL93 have to say about this?

    by T 1000 xp professional

    I looked like a fool in the cap america talkback for who I thought he was..I now must make myself feel better and make fun....lol hope he is somebody that's involved though

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Who cares about Star Wars anymore?

    by Gorgomel

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    They should have asked THE source

    by liljuniorbrown

    Jettl. Probably hammered the script out after his morning shit.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS is dead to me.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    toys can't be made for 3D technology

    by babblerouser

    so....no plan to make any star wars in 3D.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Whoever started this rumor just got confused

    by ShabbyBlue

    I think whoever began this ridiculous rumor simply got confused by the already-reported news that Lucas wants to do 3D version of the EXISTING six films, and the rumor-maker mistakenly assumed that Lucas wanted to produce three NEW films in 3D. It's very unlikely he'll ever get around to doing another trilogy. Lucas himself has said more than once that he feels the original 6 films complete the overall story arc (of Anakin/Darth Vader) and therefore anymore movies would serve as a pointless expanded universe epilogue that has very little to do with the core characters from the first 6 films. The only ones that can really carry over into a new trilogy are C3PO and R2... and nobody really gives a damn about that.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Thank God

    by SmokingRobot

    If only this had been true before Episode 1.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    That first denial is really fishy.

    by cinemixtape.com

    That has already been confirmed as being true, so it ruins their credibility on any issue. Not that I really care...

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Lucas is more focused on the animated and live action series

    by ShabbyBlue

    He's got enough on his plate for the next few years. A new live-action trilogy of films would take up another decade and I don't think he has it in him anymore. The Clone Wars cartoon, the live-action animated series coming in 2011, and possibly another animated project are all we should expect from him. Aside from 3D upgrades of the existing films.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Lucasfilm will do 7, 8, &9 when....

    by Playkins

    ..they need money. As soon as they need some dough (if ever), they'll be in the theaters.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    ShabbyBlue

    by Gwai Lo

    Lucas himself has said that more that once. Everyone else has said more than once that the original 3 films complete the overall story arc (of Luke Skywalker) and therefore anymore movies would serve as a pointless expanded universe prologue that has very little to do with the core characters from the first 3 films. The only ones that really carry over into the prequel trilogy are C3PO and R2... oh and some annoying twerp named Anakin Skywalker that apparently has something to do with Darth Motherfucking Vader.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    if there MUST be a TV series...

    by Charlie_Allnut

    the keep Lucas the FUCK away from it!!!! His creative mojo died twenty fucking years ago! Do I have ideas on what a badass Star Wars TV show would look like? Fuck yeah! Am I going to even give them a second thought? Fuck no! Cuz this show will suck suck suck just like everything else Lucas has done in the last 20 years.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    IF another trilogy ever happens...

    by ShabbyBlue

    It sure as hell won't be an adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy, or any other existing EU lore. Lucas' ego won't allow him to borrow that extensively from Star Wars plotlines others have created. He'd ignore most of the EU and come up with something on his own. Not that that's likely to happen. I seriously doubt we'll ever see another trilogy. But it definitely won't be the Thrawn trilogy, as some fanboys keep clamoring for.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    JettL93 KNOWS ALL SEES ALL WRITES ALL

    by DOGSOUP

    JettL93 is responsible for writing Young Indiana Jones as well as Willow so he should know

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    What's the point? The prequels were shit. Even The beard

    by ghostcuster

    couldn't save Star Wars

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by ShabbyBlue

    Well I happen to agree with Lucas on this particular viewpoint. The original 6 complete the story. Anything else would be pointless overkill since it wouldn't involve Luke, Leia, Han, Vader, Yoda, Obi-Wan, or any other main characters the fans love. If LFL attempted to do Eps 7-9, no matter what the plot or characters may be, it would probably be hated more than the prequels because it would feel even more disconnected from the original trilogy due to a bigger lack of familiar characters.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    as much as i dislike the prequel trilogy...

    by Jared

    I can't help but get excited by the thought of new Star Wars films. I guess it's the optimist in me that thinks maybe Star Wars could be great again (especially with someone else directing). That sort of optimism though led me to think there was no way AOTC could be worse than TPM. Way off on that one.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    1st and 2nd

    by BlueHawaiiSurfer

    1st: WHO CARES?!?! How about millions of fucking people with money in their pocket who will buy up tickets and toys like they always do. Not even sure why someone would question that. Lucas could make a film about James Earl Jones installing a gold crapper on the ranch and people would flock with cash. 2nd: I agree I doubt we will see anything in theaters any time soon. Maybe when Lucas dies or becomes so ill he turns over the company someone will take it up?? Hell though Ford climbed back on as Indy, why not have them all come back for one last HUZZZAHHHH?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    ShabbyBlue

    by Gwai Lo

    If he made them now he could bring back Luke, Leia and Han as elder statesmen, and Vader, Yoda and Obi-Wan as ghosts. What's stopping him? I am not advocating this BTW. Just saying. He's already done extraneous.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    I mean Star Wars as a ground breaking Sci Fi fantasy

    by ghostcuster

    filmed experience. The Star Wars brand however, is pumping out serious profits with video games, merchandise, retarded cgi animated bullshit tv shows. George Lucas doesn't have to create anything good for the rest of his life.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar in 3D!

    by darthwaz1

    fuck yeah!!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Spielberg would never direct Star Wars anyway

    by ShabbyBlue

    George offered him the chance with one of the prequels and he passed on it, telling George "It's your baby." He'd never step on George's toes with that trilogy, even if George practically begged him to.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Playkins: Are you serious?

    by mistergreen

    Since when does Lucas Film need money? They do FX for every movie out there.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    I think Laura likes you, Quint. Read between the lines

    by CreasyBear

    of her e-mails, and you'll see that, buried deep in all the chit-chat and small-talk, that she clearly wants to extend the ongoing conversation . . . perhaps over coffee?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    a new triology...

    by celebritydave

    lets say 2.4 billion at the boxoffice. a tonne of dvd sales, merch sales.. why the fuck wouldn't he? get peter jackson do direct one, just to fuck with the LOTR fanboys.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    There are thousands of respectable sci-fi books

    by Gwai Lo

    Make movies out of them instead of more Star Wars I say. But hey that's me.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    And Coppola doesn't stand out as a good choice

    by ShabbyBlue

    Just because he's close friends with George, it doesn't make him a logical choice to direct Star Wars. Coppola is way past his prime as a director now (which could also be said about Lucas). Any rumor that suggests the idea of Coppola directing a new Star Wars film should immediately be dismissed as ridiculous.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Saw Tetro. Coppola is back in his prime.

    by Gwai Lo

    But he's still not suitable for directing Star Wars. Hell, he doesn't deserve the burden.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by ShabbyBlue

    Harrison Ford will never be in a future Star Wars film, so forget about that "elder statesman" idea when it comes to Han Solo. Carrie Fisher MIGHT do it, but does anyone really want to see her old haggard self as a 50+ yr old Leia? It would be depressing. As for Mark Hamill... he's the most likely to go for it, but I still say a future trilogy is an extreme longshot. Lucas hasn't expressed interest in doing more films since way back in the early 80s. All he really cared about was getting the prequels made. Anything more than that seemed like a afterthought based on what he's said in various interviews.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    The last great Coppola film

    by ShabbyBlue

    was Bram Stoker's Dracula. And that was way back in 1992. But that's just my opinion. I'd much rather see him tackle his Godfather 4 idea, but that's as likely to happen as more new Star Wars films. :)

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    I'm not arguing with any of that

    by Gwai Lo

    I'm just saying that the logic you're using, such as "no one wants to see old ass Carrie Fisher in a gold bikini", was absent when Georgie Boy decided "people want to see Darth Vader be all emo in his youth".

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    There will be a third trilogy.

    by Some Dude

    The cartoon and live-action TV shows are going to be used as R&D for a faster, cheaper way to make a trilogy. Old Luke vs ghost of Palpatine will happen.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Tetro is miles better than Dracula.

    by Gwai Lo

    It's really a remarkable film. No Keanu Reeves attempting a British accent either.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Clone Wars Season 2

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>Is almost... ALMOST... good enough to semi-make you like Star Wars again. It's actually pretty good. The episodes are shot to look like they fit in with the movies, the tone is darker, and it has that star wars feel to it. </p> <p>I'd like to see a clone wars type show that takes place inbetween ANH and ESB, and inbetween ESB and ROTJ. </p> <p>Keeping my fingers crossed that the live action show will be good. Sucks that absolutely no news has leaked from it.</p>

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Lucas is too vein/bloated to let someone do a SW film

    by Onin Solstice

    He's ok with letting people come in and take a shot at this new TV show or the animated shows, but he's parked his sizable ass on top of the feature film department. If it ain't by Lucas, it's not getting in the theater.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Spielberg did NOT 'pass' on directing

    by Player01

    Spielberg did not pass on directing. He could NOT direct due to an industrial dispute issue because Lucas didn't want any credits in front of TESB. Fucking union bullshit. Score one for Lucas though.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    It's not if another SW will come out, it's when.

    by ganymede3010

    No way Lucas is going to pass up another Billion dollar pay day before he passes. Which is soon.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Probably thinking of other ways to ass-rape our childhoods

    by GreatOne3

    Pricks.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by ShabbyBlue

    I wasn't even talking about the prequels. I agree with the majority of fans about the prequels being a huge disappointing and Lucas' overall story structure for them being highly questionable, not to mention his casting choices and directing style. That's all beside the point. All I'm saying is that it seems VERY unlikely we'll ever get another trilogy of movies. Everything Lucas has said about it in interviews for the last few years has implied otherwise. He'd rather focus on smaller, less ambitious projects that he can pass along to others while he serves a supervisory producer. Projects like the Clone Wars animated series, the upcoming live action series, and the neverending tweaking of the existing six films. Lucas' ego will NEVER allow someone else to write and/or direct a new trilogy of films based on what we saw with the prequels. It would be like openly admitting he couldn't handle them on his own and needed someone else to take over. A trilogy of films far outweighs the significance of any tv series or other smaller Star Wars-related project, so therefore IF they did another trilogy, Lucas would have to be in complete control as usual. And I just don't think he has the drive to devote another decade to writing and directing them. He's stated repeatedly in the last few years that the 6 existing films complete his vision. For whatever original rough vision he had 30+ years ago that involved a potential 9 or 12 films, it seems he compressed most of it down to 6 and doesn't feel the need to tell anymore beyond that. I hope he sticks to that plan, because I have no desire to ever see Episode 7-9. Just like the prequels, it would further tarnish the greatness of the original trilogy.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Lucas originally wanted three trilogies

    by Lorquaine

    Back in the eighties it was reported that Lucas had originally planned Star Wars to be 9 films, three trilogies. I still remember the rumored title of the ninth film: "The Aliens". The last trilogy was supposed to be set about 20 or 30 years after Return of the Jedi, with old Luke Skywalker supervising a new generation of Jedi. But I remember that after the prequel trilogy Lucas debunked these reports and said that for him Star Wars was primarily the story of Anakin/Vader, so Star Wars was over. Well, he used to say that Star Wars was over after Return of the Jedi, so I really don't buy that. Ford's, Hamill's and Fisher's age would now fit with Lucas' original idea for a third trilogy, but do we really want to see old Han Solo, old Leia, old Luke? I'm not sure if that's really such a good idea. If there's a new trilogy, it should focus on some kind of new generation.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Player01

    by ShabbyBlue

    I wasn't referring to Spielberg directing TESB. That's an OLD story. I was talking about when Lucas offered him the chance to direct one of the prequels. He passed on it, telling Lucas (and news outlets) that "This is George's baby", and he didn't want to overshadow any attention or credit Lucas deserved in the creation of the prequels.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Where's Jett?

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    He "takes peeks at scripts" so he must know about this!!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Apologies ShabbyBlue

    by Player01

    Yeah, I could see him passing on the prequels, only due to Lucas's new enthusiasm, not the content. Sad, he might have been what the prequels needed, although I am a big fan of RotS.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Lorquaine

    by smackfu

    Why would they pick a title for the 9th film before even putting a 7th film into pre-production? The 'rumors' and things you think are inside scoops are basically just a collection of lame fantasies passed down from nerd to nerd.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    JettL93 is consulting his team of writers

    by Chakraborty

    They are actively constructing a post which will have maximum comedic impact. An opportunity like this must not be jumped into hastily. Acclaim has been found, but now expectations are high. Contemplation is needed in order to find the proper tone when striking the next talkback punch. The audience awaits.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Spielberg did direct some Star Wars...

    by Hipshot

    Ran into him on the lot at 20th Century Fox just before the release of "Revenge of the Sith", and thanks to a mutual friend got into a conversation with him. He said he actually directed the animatics of several sequences of the movie--choreographed the action and the camera movement. That he wasn't going to talk about it, but George had dropped a dime in some FX zine, so he figured it was all right to discuss it. While I'm not certain which they were, I'd guess the light saber duel and the whole rescue-the-Emperor down the elevator shaft sequence--both felt better than much of the surrounding material. BTW--he was a very nice guy.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah but this is all speculative.

    by Gwai Lo

    George Lucas can do whatever he wants. He's beyond our theories. All we can do and look at the trail of raped childhoods he has left behind him for clues.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:07 p.m. CST

    You mean it's not.......

    by stupid_username5143x39

    Supershadow? I could swear I remember reading this fairly recently while wasting time on his "website". Not outside the realm of possibility, but I have sincere doubts of this.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    fuck avatar

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    if we go to avatar then they'll make another Phantom Menace? sweet. (sarcasm)

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    and also

    by smackfu

    They would never call a star wars film 'the aliens'. What aliens? They're ALL aliens. Pro-tip, when you're standing in a bar or on a ship and there are 30 different kinds of sentient life forms surrounding you, you're probably long past the point of ever referring to them as 'aliens'. Let's be honest, 'The Aliens' isn't a title you heard a rumor about, it's the title you thought up in your super-awesome fan-fic.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Wow I had almost forgotten about Supershadow

    by smackfu

    That was the most epic loser in the history of mankind, I mean that cat was TRAGICALLY pathetic.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Shia as Luke's son

    by estacado1

    It will only happen if Shia is involved.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Pathetic? Perhaps.

    by stupid_username5143x39

    But I also submit that the entire site and online persona of "Mickey Suttle" could very well be a big giant mind-fuck, just a playful, disruptive act of social manipulation with a dash of Barnum, what better way to take advantage of the www, especially in the information vacuum that was/is Lucasfilm Ltd.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    smackfu

    by Lorquaine

    Nope, actually they are not lame nerd fantasies. At the time they were official news. The titles of the prequel trilogy given in the 1980s were (if I remember correctly) "The Fall of the Republic", "The Rise of the Empire" and "The Clone Wars". That's pretty close to what the actual prequel trilogy eventually became. Lucas only switched around the storyline of episodes 2 and 3, putting the clone wars before the rise of the empire. So it's feasible to assume that there was also something to episodes 7, 8 and 9, incl. the title of ep. 9 "The Aliens".

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    The Lucasfilm replies are not trustworthy

    by TurdontheRun

    They have distinct odour of a politician's spin doctor about them, evasive and craftily worded. It's already well known that Lucas intends to convert the saga into 3D. Episodes 7-9 will likely come to pass, too, despite what's written here. I already speculated that Lucas will have had his interest piqued by 3D and mo-cap tech, Wherein he could give us a younger Han, Luke and Leia (especially since Ford would be in his 70's if this ever happens). Don't be surprised - The Bearded One works in mysterious ways.<P>As for the snarky dig at Marketsaw, yeah there's a lot of silly rumor on that blog at times, but it's much better for news and exclusives than AICN - which I note has not even ran a story yet about the 3 and a half minute Avatar trailer coming this friday, news leaked by Marketsaw and now confirmed. Until AICN drags itself from the toilet (in terms of stories and articles this site has been utterly useless for years, although the talkbacks still remain entertaining), Quint and his snarky ilk should shut their faces. Fox conspiracy to pump tickets for Avatar? Fucking nonsense.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Hipshot-- that's pretty old news.

    by StarWarsRedux

    I think the fact that Spielberg helped previz some of the (up until it moves into the Senate chamer, as I recall) Yoda/Emperor duel is pretty much common knowledge by now. Wasn't it said on the commentary? Didn't people talk about it while the film was in release? I think Lucas said he let him work on the animatics (it had already been storyboarded) as a favor, since he'd always wanted to direct some of "Star Wars".

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Open Letter To George Lucas:

    by Media Messiah

    We, as your fans, are demanding that you make these false rumors come true, at least, I am!!! Make it a family affair, and involved your kids in the behind the scenes production, and just go for it. It'll be fun for the fans, and a great learning experience for your kids. Bring it on George, afterall, you originally promised us 9 films--no matter the many denials since. Well, I'm calling you on it, and it is time you deliver.<BR><BR>This film series of yours, despite its many ups and downs, really taught me about religion and spirituality in ways I did not understand or believe in before Star Wars--your master work. Instantly, your talk of The Force made me understand God. All the priests and preachers that I heard previously, well, their messages were often lost in a giant morass of falsehoods, arrogance, and selfishness. <BR><BR>For a time, when I was a child, you influenced a generation, and in that way, we almost became great. The kids that grew-up at the time were something special--even our music was great and transformative, our thinking. We believed that we were great, and that life had infinite meaning--one shaped by heroes and kindness...and a greater Force, God. <BR><BR>George, you can do it again with a whole new generation. Forget the toy sales, and write a damn good story. Bring back Han, Leia, and Luke...and complete the story, complete the circle. Iapetus deserves an explanation--and this new culture deserves a new and positive influence.<BR><BR>Sincerely, MM

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    There are no star wars movies planned

    by Professor_Bedlam

    I have a friend that works at skywalker sound and he says there is absolutely nothing planned for any new star wars movies!!!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    smackfu #2

    by Lorquaine

    About the title "The Aliens": The short published info given back in the 80s was that episode 9 "The Aliens" would deal with an invasion of a *really* alien race, i.e. from another galaxy. They didn't say if they would have been friend or foe. So again: I'm not making this up, I'm just reiterating what was officially printed in the 1980s.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    GEE REALLY? NO SHIT!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Lucasfilm has said MANY TIMES there's no more Star Wars movies ever. Yet, shitty journalists keep trying to tell us that there are. Fuckers.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Good.

    by cheyne_stoking_DMS

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    I WISH LUCASFILM HADN'T PLANNED THE PREQUELS!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    *** RUNS FOR COVER ***

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:34 p.m. CST

    WHAT ABOUT STAR TOURS?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's being retooled for 3D. No mention of it here since that Disney con.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:36 p.m. CST

    LAURA SOUNDS LIKE A BITCH!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Who the fuck is Laura? Why not send an email to Bonnie Burton? She's on fucking Twitter every ten minutes.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    If The Live Action Series Is A Success...

    by FreeBeer

    ...I would put money on the characters introduced in the series getting their own Star Wars movie spin off

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    more Star Wars!!

    by Titus05

    I think Lucas will make one final Star Wars trilogy in his lifetime...that's all he knows how to do...he keeps talking about wanting to make other types of movies instead of Star Wars yet that's ALL he ever does...book it there will be one final trilogy (hopefully NOT in gimmicky 3-D)

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    What's this "The Aliens" bullshit?!?

    by Onin Solstice

    I'm a pretty serious Sw geek and I never heard of this "title". I want a damn source! This sounds like the whole New Jedi Order storyline. Which is something Lucas' would never do as a movie. Not enough fart jokes.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Actual email back...

    by TheKGB

    Hi Eric, We do not have any Star Wars theatrical movies planned. And leave us the Hell alone. Dumbass. Thanks, Laura

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    THIS LAURA KNOWS MORE THAN LUCAS!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Why don't we fucking interview her?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Those PR statements don't really clarify anything...

    by Johnno

    Sure you are not "currently working" on them! Sure there is nothing "planned" (notice the past tense). That's not even what MarketSaw's rumor states... it says you are "talking" and "planning"! Which isn't really that much of a surprise considering another trilogy was also being "talked" about since the prequels were being "worked on." With all the new toys Cameron's made I'm feeling pretty damn sure LucasFilm wants to hop on board and play with these and I can't think of a better way to invest in such expensive tech other than in a franchise that's guaranteed to make big returns and use photorealistic all CG characters and expensive heavy FX! Particularly 3D which is where the industry is going and all FX houses are getting into! Gee, is there any vehicle film franchise where this would be the perfect opportunity to try this with?! Whatever could it be???!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    SuperShadow

    by Titus05

    that SuperShadow guy is still around?...I just went to his site and he's more delusional then ever...I thought Lucas would have gotten a court order by now to shut his site down...the guy really has way too much time on his hands...he still updates that site every day with new stories about visiting Lucas at his ranch and giving him ideas for the next trilogy etc lol

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST

    How did this 3D thing even get started.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Aside from websites and stuff, I always seemed to read some story about Lucas doing SW 3D, but people never seemed to ask Lucas when they interviewed him. I think all these websites made it up to get hits.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    It'll be 3-D , just you wait...

    by Horny4Harry

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Cameron, please kill 3-D quickly

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Personally, I can’t wait until 3D mania burns itself out. Until they develop Matrix-esque implants, 3-D is going to remain an annoying trend that gives you a minor headache and pulls you out of the experience of watching the film. Hopefully, when Avatar’s second weekend gross drops 60%, studios will view huge 3-D spectacles as being too risky and we can go back to just watching interesting films (none of which would ever come from Lucas BTW – the new trilogy is about as bad as they come). It’s actually quite hilarious to look back and realize the Phantom Menace was the best film in the bunch.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Onin Solstice

    by Lorquaine

    It's from a German film magazine from the 1980s, I think during the time when Return of the Jedi was released (or shortly afterwards). It was an article about the future of Star Wars, serious, not some fan bullshit, including (if I remember correctly) a short interview with Lucas. They had a list of all 9 films including titles plus some sort of shorthand background info, i.a. on "Star Wars Episode 9: The Aliens".

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Well I just got back from Skywalker Ranch

    by Player01

    After our milk and cookies, Old Beardy showed up some new 3D animatics based on the Holiday Special shown back in 1978. He said it had great opportunity to put the franchise back in the public consciousness in 3D.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    This is the problem with ol Jim Dorey, the guy

    by southafricanguy

    does nt seem to really check his shit out before he posts rumours. In the end he has no one to blame but himself for making himself look foolish. Snakeplissken....why do you think there will be a 60% drop? Have you actually been paying attention to how 3D films play at the b.o? They have longer legs and all have far lower 2nd week drops. I have never seen a film in 3D personally so I have no opinion of them one way or the other, but I think you are confusing what you wish to be true with the reality of what seems to be happening with 3D films. And its unlikely to slow down dude, you may have noticed that the amount of 3D films is just constantly increasing. Ridly scott, Peter Jackson, Spielberg, Zemekis, Cuaron, Del Toro etc...have all got 3D films in developent or have stated their intent to work with it. So what makes you think Cameron willkill 3D?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Redux

    by Hipshot

    That's good to know. I had no idea how well known that was, and its kind of a fun fannish bit. The Yoda/Emperor duel? Very cool. Thanks!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    star wars is dead to me too

    by gumbercules

    Except for the shitty lo-res dvd copy I have of the original unchanged versions of 4, 5 and 6. The rest can fuck off and die. LOTR has taken that spot in my heart. I respect artists need to change but I don't think Warhol or Hockney ever "went back" and "fixed" their paintings. Go see Where the Wild Things Are.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    What about all the stories of celebs seeing

    by lockesbrokenleg

    scenes of ANH, in 3D? Was that all made up? WHAT ABOUT THAT LAURA???

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    OH JETT WHERE ART THOU?

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    WE NEED YOU TO CHECK YOUR RELIABLE SOURCE!! funny shit Chakraborty

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Please just stop

    by Falafalguy

    No more...just no more. I can't take it. Can someone else please takeover Star Wars? Post-modern hipsters need not apply - sorry Joss and JJ.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Hipshot, no prob.

    by StarWarsRedux

    With a long-spanning series like "Star Wars", you have fans of all ages and not everyone knows everything everybody else does. I'm pretty sure it was the Yoda/Emperor duel, but I think the stuff Lucas retained wasn't a whole lot-- Spielberg "assisted" on some of the previz design in that scene, but obviously the ultimate authority rested with Lucas. The best way to describe it, maybe, is to compare it to the 2nd Unit directing that Lucas did on the "Indiana Jones" movies, perhaps not even that much, or the equivalent of working on storyboards. But still, you can see it slightly, when the camera pushes in on Yoda when he's knocked down-- that's probably the most "Spielberg" touch.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Onin Solstice: all original 3 titles for episodes 7, 8 & 9

    by Lorquaine

    Episode 7: Die Wiedergeburt der Freiheit ("The Rebirth of Liberty"); Episode 8: Die neue Herausforderung ("The New Challenge"); Episode 9: Die Fremden ("The Aliens") -- "Die Fremden" could also be translated as "The Strangers", however the article wasn't talking about about "foreigners", but about something alien to the established Star Wars universe. As far as I know that's the only instance where some form of titles were published with regard to the sequel trilogy. Since the titles for the prequel trilogy given in that article were pretty close, it's safe to assume that the titles for episodes 7-9 are also close to what Lucas once had in mind for the sequels.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Though I do agree that AICN guys like Quint

    by southafricanguy

    should tone down the snarkiness, because this is, and has been for a long time now, the last site to get up to date info, or shit even good rumours (remember the old days when aicn used to do that?) So Quint, dont get too self rightous.....

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Lorquaine: So the Sequel Trilogy was going to be...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...in German? <p>Ach!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Avatar

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    It’s just a guess – partially based on the absurd amount of hype (which the film will have a challenge living up to) and based on the fact that repressed Cameron-ites will flock to this thing in huge numbers giving it a big bump to start with. I hope I am wrong, I have no desire to see Cameron fail – quite the opposite. Aliens and the first two Terminators are amazing films, I also really like the Abyss which I know divides a lot of people. Cameron has done a lot of interesting things with technology (the underwater films were pretty interesting) but the Avatar trailer looked pretty bad. Granted, I’m an ancient late 30’s year old who has not grown up spending eight hours a day playing my XBOX so maybe I just have to come to terms with the fact I am no longer the target demographic.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Lorquaine

    by lockesbrokenleg

    WTF are you talking about. There's NO SCRIPTS or story ideas for 7,8,9, where the hell are you getting your information?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:30 p.m. CST

    7, 8 and 9 are.......inevitable.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Any of you thinking they won't happen in some form are deluding yourselves, because you all know we will all haul ass (even though they be sore asses from the prequels) to the cinemas to see them, regardless of our griping and bitching. We will. You all know it. Lucas knows it. He can basically print his own money with a sequel trilogy, and I have no doubt in my mind that a sequel trilogy will be announced sometime after the live action TV series starts airing.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Final thought

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    One follow-on thought, I could see Avatar following the Watchmen arc (a film which I really enjoyed – especially since I never thought I’d see it on the big screen based on the density of the source material). Big bump, mostly good reviews, but while there are rabid disciples, it’s not a well enough known property to have real legs.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST

    If 3D was a person,

    by ballyhoo

    I would slaughter him as brutally as I could. They'd put me away for life, but it would have been worth it.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Would love to see SW go the direction of Trek

    by solanine

    Just with a heavier emphasis on quality control, of course. There are so many stories to tell in the SW universe that would work perfectly with the right writer/director (read: not George Lucas)

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Lorquaine

    At the time when the article was printed in a 1980s film magazine, there were no scripts or story ideas on the prequel trilogy either. Still that article published three titles, which were very close in words and/or meaning to the eventual prequel titles/films. As it happens, they also printed three titles for the sequel trilogy. And that's a fact, whether you like it or not. Why do I know it's a fact? Because I read the article myself. That doesn't mean that there will EVER be a sequel trilogy, and even if Lucas produces one, it does NOT mean that those would be the actual titles. But they COULD be, the same way the original prequel titles were close to the final thing. In any case, I'm just repeating what others have written about the sequels.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    After all that discussion about prequels...

    by torpor_haze

    I finally figured out what's bothering me about them. Those movies took all the fun out of Star Wars.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    George, put the phone back on the charger....

    by conspiracy

    the last sip of his 90 proof breakfast still warming his goiter. That call to Steven had really pumped him up for some fun, and he wasn't yet ready to remount his Nubian fuck toy. No, there were far more tender treats to be had this fine morning. George walked over and poured more of the amber liquid into his glass..."Ya know...fuck this" he thought, gulping the contents of the small glass. Setting the tumbler down he grasped the entire bottle with his delicate chubby hand, and raising the bottle to his chapped lips, chugged heartily at its contents. "....what a fucking luxury" he said to himself.</p><p> While talking to his director friend, he had heard Steve fapping away as every new detail of his plans for Indy 5 slipped past his lips, and right now Spielberg was no doubt on the phone to Harrison delivering every delicious fan fucking morsel to his depraved ears..."That Ford,..." thought Lucas,"...likes Fucking with the fanboys more than he likes fisting that skeleton Calista in the ass" mused George, "And the fucker LOVES doing that..." George chuckled, remembering flying above Jackson Wyoming in Fords helicopter and helping the aging actor do the deed to his anorexic would be bride at 5000ft.</p><p> George took another long hard swig from the Makers Mark as he walked naked to the nearest computer terminal, the glow from its screen casting shadows of Georges nude form upon the walls of the clubby den. He collapsed into the chair in front of it and brought up a search engine..."Now for some fun..." George giggled, the mornings meal filling his mind with thoughts of ruby faced fanboys and teenaged girls dressed like Twilek dancers, "...it'll be awhile before we can use Indy 5 rumors for fun...but I think it's time we fucked with the cash cow and my little sheeple". George typed in "movie rumors, 3D"; a web page named "MarketSaw" popped up at number one.</p><p> "Hmmm...obscure...have not fucked with THEM yet...the perfect place to start a wildfire amongst the little cocksuckers" he thought. George got the email for the site and roared with laughter, waking Melody from her hangover and night of depravity, "...HA!...time for a fucking my little cherry boys" he said out loud, and began crafting his newest "Star Wars" rumor. He licked his lips as the lies spread from his fingers to the keyboard, his arms resting on his distended gut, sweat oozing from under his iconic neck, and directly to the fanboys eyes. George was aroused, in a way no woman could ever arouse him....the next few years were going to be the highlight of his life...he could not wait to hear the howls and cries of his fan base as he played with their love and their money, to destroy their beloved movies he himself had made, and take pleasure from doing so...it was better than any sex he had ever known, or ever would.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Lorquaine: Why the German?

    by StarWarsRedux

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I would love this to be true...

    by codymr

    like most kids who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I never stopped holding out hope that Lucas would make the prequel films and when they were finally announced in the we felt vindicated. <P> I remember reading that Lucas originally wanted Spielberg, Coppola and Howard to direct the prequels but they all declined and encouraged Lucas to get back into the directing chair for good or ill. <P> I do think Lucas has a love/hate relationship with Star Wars. I don't think he anticipated SW would take over his life and career the way it did way back in 77. So my understanding is that the series went from 12 episodes to 9 episodes to 6 episodes so that he can finally be done with the series. <P> I am fine with that... I loved 4, 5, 6 and I even liked part 3; where I think Lucas came very close to making a great film, despite some poor casting. However parts 1 and 2 have never seemed like they were part of the same story arc to me even if they were set in a galaxy far far away. <P> So as much as Star Wars is near and dear to me, the story does seem complete with 6 theatrical outings.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Did You Notice Laura Said No "Theatrical" Movies?

    by Media Messiah

    She did not say..."No Star Wars movies are planned...period, anywhere, way, shape, form, or time? The key word here, is "theatrical". Notice how careful she was to use that word, just like the lawyer, I suspect that she is? I am guessing that Lucas is prepping his Star Wars original trilogy as 3-D films made for television airings...with some sort of big sponsorship tie-ins--this as a lead in to a 3-D Star Wars live action series?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I would love this to happen

    by ThePilgrim

    but I'm torn on what I'd rather see. <P> A: Benjamin Button CGI tech aided "Further Adventures of Luke Liea Han and some spawn"<P> Or....<P> B: The origin tale of the sith and jedi. Where did the power come from. Sure it's in all living things, but it's amplified in jedi, and these jedi are known and found and trained. Knowing that. This power came from something, and somehow it spread across the galaxy and maybe a war to posses it occurred. Maybe it was a crystal, maybe it was found in a female slave spice miner in mine. she shared it power with her family and other the other slaves they lead a revolt against their planets alien enslavers and they defeated them. News of this revolt spread across the galaxy. the woman started a guild and she select people from across the galaxy were allowed to be exposed to the crystal and trained in the bendu arts. Unfortanely greed for the power took hold over some one who was refused. Maybe the crystal glows black when evil is near it. They waged a war against the bendu. Killing the Mother. The son discouraged by the loss, aware of the crystal draw to those who want to use it for evil- Decides to end the madness by sending the crystal into a systemless sun. It causes a supernova that spreads the crystals power across the galaxy. Now the guild seek out force users to train, and the sith seek them out as well, but it eventually leads to the rule of two. Thats some bad fan fic right there, but still i want to see the origins of the sith the jedi and the answers behind the power and how it spread across the galaxy and how the jedi know who it is within.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Lorquaine

    by lockesbrokenleg

    No, that was a fan script that was going around at the time that made every think that this was from Lucasfilm because the script had an official look to it. It was a fake. Read the really good book, "Making of Star Wars" that came out a few years ago. It's a huge book, and it's very good. I have an old Cinescape article that has some article where some writer was making up what he thought the preques were going to be.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    "by" a female spice miner no "in"

    by ThePilgrim

    damnit

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg #2

    by Lorquaine

    And as a matter of fact, neither you nor I nor anyone can eliminate the possibility that there are story ideas for the sequels. How would we know? Lucas has had ideas for the whole Star Wars saga since the 1970s, for 6 films, for 12 films, for 9 films. This always included rough sketches on the prequels. You know, one of the reasons Lucas produced episodes 4,5&6 first was because he thought at the time that episodes 1-3 were not suitable for a mass audience. Lucas said he wanted to make films that were safer for him to earn some money and ensure the viability of the saga. So he must have had some idea about the prequel plotline in the 1970s. So how do we know that he did NOT write any sketches on episodes 7-9 too?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Snake...I see what you are saying dude, and

    by southafricanguy

    I agree with some of your points. Thats what im finding really interesting about Avatar, can a completely unknown "property" hit big in the current reboot/sequal/prequal known "brand" dominated film marketplace? I dont think anyone really has an accurate idea of what will happen here dude. But, I do think that there is one thing to keep in mind here, there is no overhype, not in the real world yet. The mainstream is still almost completely unaware of this film, so any hype or expectations wont really be a factor for the average film goer imho. But I also wonder if you have not just partly hit the nail on the head, maybe thats part of the problem, that most 30 something film geeks are nt really the target market anymore. Maybe a new sci-fi/fantasy "universe" like this that has no prior connection to said 30 somethings based on some book they once read, or films they watched and loved as kids, just wont appeal. Think about the original Star Wars in 77, how much of the audinace that made it huge were 30 something year old film geeks? It was the younger generation (now todays 30 somethings) that went mad for it, made it a huge hit, and went crazy in anticipation for the prequal trilogy.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah Supershadow, what happened to Darth Rage?

    by ganymede3010

    Didn't that guy get rich from charging a ridiculous amount for his *exclusive-content*? I had some friends who actually paid for his site. No matter how much I tried to convince them he was a fraud, the more money they gave that loser.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Maybe as we all get older we becoe less

    by southafricanguy

    receptive to new things like 3D, but kids dont seem to have any problem with it....

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux

    by Lorquaine

    Why the German? Because it was published in a German film magazine, that's why. They translated the titles from the English titles they got from Lucas. So, did Lucas give them the titles? I don't know for sure. But based on the fact that they did an interview with him, he would be a possible source.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    the prequels sucked...

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    ...from a certain point of view

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I don't think Lucas would give some German fan mag

    by lockesbrokenleg

    ideas for his next SW movies, when they weren't even planned yet, sorry.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Damn gotta try this one again as well

    by ThePilgrim

    The origin tale of the sith and jedi. Where did the power come from. Sure it's in all living things, but it's amplified in jedi, and these jedi are known and found and trained. Knowing that. This power came from something, and somehow it spread across the galaxy and maybe a war to possess it occurred. Maybe it was a crystal, maybe it was found by a female slave spice miner in mine. She shared it's power with her family and soon the other slaves. This band lead a revolt against their planets alien enslavers- defeated them. News of the revolt spread across the galaxy. The woman became the leader of the group. She started a guild. Select beings from across the galaxy were allowed to be exposed to the crystal and trained in the bendu arts. Unfortanely greed for the power took hold over some one who was refused. Maybe the crystal glows black when evil is near it. The Scorned bands with others and togther they wage a war against the Bendus. Eventually Killing the Mother/Leader. The son discouraged by the loss, aware of the crystals draw to those who want to use it for evil/greed- Decides to end the madness by sending the crystal into a systemless sun. It causes a supernova that slowly spreads the crystals power across the galaxy. Now the guild seek out force users to train, and the sith seek them out as well. Powerlust and greed wiht in the order of the sith eventually leads to the rule of two.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Lorquaine

    It's possible some of the rumors were based on a fan script. But only one? Were three prequel scripts circulating at the time? I remember 9 titles for 9 films. In any case, it doesn't change the fact that Lucas had some sort of idea about the prequels--he said so himself--, and possibly also about a sequel trilogy.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    dear idiots

    by Charger

    Just because star wars is "dead to you" or you personally don't care about it, does not mean its unpopular with other people who's opinions are just as relevant as yours. If you are really over it and don't care.. just shut up already.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    But Snake...there are two things that worry

    by southafricanguy

    me about Avatar not succeeding. First is that if it does nt, I feel it may just end Holywood taking risks on new epic sci-fi, or risky concepts if it is nt adapted from a pre-exsisting property thats popular in another medium. I m just tired of the constant remakes/reboots/sequals/prequals and adaptations. Im interested in Avatar in large part just because its a "universe I have nt seen before. Second is that if Cameron joins Spielberg, Lucas, etc...then that really means that past a certain age all directors just lose it, and I just find that depressing....

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    There wasn't prequel scripts around, but there

    by lockesbrokenleg

    was a fan script going around at cons that had a fan story in it that looked official. Lucasfilm even had it shut down, but people printed up scripts and sold it to fans claiming it was real.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    TPM and Indy 4 were bad enough dissapoint

    by southafricanguy

    ments, and they were depressing enough. I just really dont want to see anymore repeats of those two examples...

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11 p.m. CST

    I honestly like all 6 films equally

    by darthwaz1

    I even like (for the most part) the digital changes. I grew up and was obsessed with the originals as a kid but I think the new ones are just as good and I've never understood all the hate. I'm also enjoying the hell outta the cartoon series.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Lorquaine-- any link to the German article?

    by StarWarsRedux

    Sounds interesting

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Lorquaine

    He may not have "planned" the prequels at that time, but he had already developed a prequel plot outline, going as far back as the 1970s. This had originally guided him to produce episode 4 first. And if you have a plot outline, you surely also have some sort of title. Why not give them the titles? Everyone already knew from Episode 4 that the prequel story would be about the "Fall of the Republic", the "Rise of the Empire" and the "Clone Wars". So that wasn't really *news*. The real news were the three titles for the sequel trilogy.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    who cares if it's true

    by IndianaPeach

    at least it's a fun rumor...now how about a Hobbit story...don't care if it's true

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    The prequels revolutionized cinema

    by ThePilgrim

    digital cameras, projectors, cgi characters. I liked them. Wished phantom menace had more teeth, but the maul fight at the end made up for the "wait he's a slave and he's happy and well adjusted" stuff. I wonder what Gl could invent for cinema wiht newer star wars tales. I'm down for whatever. and yes the 30 somethings are losing control over the market share of films ticket sales. But you really gotta market original stff now for kids to take notice. To many gadets out there to keep them away from tv and radio commercials.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I guess my issue with 3-D…

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    ..is that it becomes a tool that you have to use (it’s like buying that nailgun and having it hanging in the garage – that sucker was expensive, you’d better go build something with it). I do think there are applications for it but my reaction is that it’s best consumed as a gimmick – My Bloody Valentine 3-D, I could get into that. And, the Terminator ride at universal, very cool. But when I heard Cameron was making a new film, especially a sci-fi one I was thrilled, then I heard about the 3-D part of it and my enthusiasm dipped (the trailer did not help either). I think about something like Aliens, either the sequence where the face-hugger attacks a sleeping Newt, or the scene where the motion detectors are showing the Aliens closing in. I think suddenly having an Alien jump out at you and go BOO!!!! Would actually be fairly jarring and suddenly take you out of the film. Suddenly, instead of being immersed you begin to expend mental energy waiting for the next 3-D money shot. And if you’re a director, you focus on finding those moments rather than developing complex characterizations, because you have a crutch to use. I think back to the 60 minutes interview with Lucas where they showed him “directing” the Phantom Menace – he was counseling somebody on the fact the floor robot in one of the scenes was moving the wrong way. After seeing the new trilogy, I wished he cared less about the floor robot and more about making a good movie. It’s like when they released the SW new editions – the Jabba scene in the original was interesting to see, but it felt forced, gimmicky and out of place (I won’t mention the Greedo shooting first thing). A lot of tinkering for not much gain – I’d say it was pretty much a net loss.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    "no plans" That's not a denial

    by MurderMostFowl

    That's certainly not a denial, sinch it'se quite clear the Lucas did no planning when shooting Episodes 1,2 & 3, so why start now!? ;) <BR><BR> I'm here all night, folks

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Sith is the only prequel you need

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Clone Wars cartoon and Sith make up the prequels for me anyway. And Lorquine, that was from writer who was trying to think what the prequels would be and how they would be laid out. It wasn't from Lucas. Lucas NEVER had those ideas. That same writer also thought Princess Leia would be in episode III.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux

    by Lorquaine

    I don't even know which magazine it was in. "Cinema" maybe? Or a German SciFi magazine? And even if I knew I doubt they'd have an archive of their 1980s editions. This was all way back long before the internet. But a few minutes ago I googled the title "Die Fremden", and apparently someone at the Star Wars wiki had also remembered the three sequel titles. But they deleted the info from the "Sequel trilogy" article, because there was no source. Well, I know that there IS a source... you just can't find it with google search. ;)

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    "The Clone Wars" confusion

    by Autodidact

    I don't know how regular civilians are supposed to keep track of all this shit. My nephews are little Star Wars maniacs and they were unaware that The Clone Wars was not just a movie but also a TV show. Although they know about the old Clone Wars tv show which made it extra confusing when I was trying to explain that the movie they saw last fall was just the first few episodes of an entire series. It's really quite annoying.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Lorquaine

    Well, Leia WAS in ep. 3. LOL. But I agree: Sith is the only prequel you need. Concerning the prequels: Yes, it's possible that this list in the German magazine was based on fan rumors or fan-made scripts. But it's equally possible that Lucas was the source. In any case, we don't know WHAT kind of ideas Lucas had. We only know that he did develop a prequel story, already in the 1970s.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Smegma is 100% correct- 7, 8 and 9 are inevitable

    by YackBacker

    Lucas is dicking around with TV shows to rebuild the brand and get people to forget about the prequels. But one day, maybe within the next ten years, he will unveil his final trilogy. I will not spend much time thinking about or getting excited over these movies being made unless Lucas is merely producing (and letting professionals write and direct the films). Gary Kurtz and I will just shake our heads in disgust. Anyone else care to join us?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Just imagine if a decent writer had fleshed out "Sith"

    by conspiracy

    The prequels should have begun with the Clone Wars and spent the time developing Anakins fall from grace as something real, believable and moving; motivated by something other than teen angst and a dead mommy. Instead we got "Yippee", "Midichlorians", and "Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo".</p><p>Fucking opportunity wasted.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    hahah. I forgot about Leia in ROTS

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Great scene, too. That entire last segment was classic Star Wars. I wish someone would have converted Sith to 3D. Fucking A!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Yack...If George really does make 7-9...

    by conspiracy

    I'm sending Kurtz a bottle of bubbly to celebrate his good sense of getting as far away from the series as possible.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    I want a Qui-Gon movie

    by cylon_conspiracy

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux: Found the source

    by Lorquaine

    ISSN 0724-0252, title: "SF-Star", Germany, February 1983. The article was published BEFORE Return of the Jedi, and episode VI was still called "Revenge of the Jedi". There is a short summary here: http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=19702543&start=19713903 -- -- -- too bad I threw that magazine away!! ;)

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    God, I'm Tired of Star Wars

    by Cobbio

    I'll be happy if they never make another film, show, action figure, or anything else related to Lucas's brainfuckingly corporate creation.<p> The franchise is dead to me. I used to love it, I grew up on it, but now I see for what it is: bullshit. Piles and piles of stinking bullshit.<p> Go ahead and make your live-action television show, George. You go, guy, because you've got such a wonderful handle on how to manipulate children and braindead adults into thinking you give a shit.<p> Good luck, man.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Lorquaine

    I'm totally with you on Sith. The last 30 minutes or so are probably some of the most dramatic and tragic sequences in film history. (I'm really serious!) And it sort of "duplicates" episodes 4-6 in your head. You're able to see them with new eyes, especially from an emotional standpoint. The ending of Sith is (to me) the absolute central point, the pivot of the whole saga.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Gary Kurtz did an interview back in 2002 I think

    by YackBacker

    In which he confirmed that originally there were 9 episodes planned. The interview is online, I don't have the link handy but if I go digging, I could probably find it.<p> As for Spielberg directing an action scene, it was Episode III and it was the sequence with the Mustafar duel (Anakin and Obi dueling on the floating superstructure going down the lava river- that was noted in the DVD extras).<p> Lucas can say he's not doing any more episodes all he likes (or that he wants to work on smaller projects, which always cracks me up) but the fact of the matter is that he will want to make another trilogy because it's the only reason people still want him to live.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    YB-- so it wasn't the Senate duel?

    by StarWarsRedux

    Whatever. Anyway, Spielberg only helped previz it. That's a far cry from directing it in full, even if we're only talking a single scene.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:37 p.m. CST

    They should do the last three as animated films

    by lockesbrokenleg

    hell, the prequels were nearly animated anyway, so it wouldn't be a stretch.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Faster?

    by Subtitles_Off

    A. A roadrunner.<P>B. A cheetah.<P>C. Lucasfilm quashing STAR WARS rumors.<P>D. A Kardashian sister going down on a black pro athlete.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Subtitles....The Answer is "D"

    by conspiracy

    Lucas Films might quash rumors..but they aren't THAT fast..besides I'm convinced they often start them in the first place as a way to gauge "fan" reaction.</p><p>Or as I said earlier..George just gets his jollies from it.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Ah, I believe Lorquaine's link cites the Kurtz interview

    by YackBacker

    Good work.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Re:

    by Cobbio

    I disagree with you about the ending of Sith, Lorquaine. I'll give you the fact it's a pivotal point in the "saga," but really it's a silly one. It's not earned, it's stupid. It's not interesting, it's poorly written and cringeworthy, even for kids.<p> I'd go so far as to say it's one of the worst-written scenes in history. Yes, history, as in cinematic history.<p> Maybe you don't know the difference, or can't know it, but classic moments in movies are often poetic and moving, whereas Lucas's turnaround is... juvenile. Silly. Trivial.<p> You were moved by those scenes, huh? You thought they were some of "the most dramatic and tragic sequences in film history"? Ok, I get that people have different opinions about things, and I'm usually copasetic, but your view is scarily off-base.<p> Do you watch or read anything other than Star Wars or other teenage science fiction?<p> I wonder.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    SWRedux, double-check the Episode III extras

    by YackBacker

    They do some behind the scenes on Spielberg doing the animatics.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    More movies WILL happen, you know this to be true...

    by SK229

    There is ZERO DOUBT that there will be more Star Wars movies when the Lucasfilm cash buffer gets below $5 billion or however much fucking money he has now. Remember, it's not a publicly traded company... GL owns the whole enchilada lock, stock, and barrel and is responsible for thousands of employees across multiple divisions, and besides the FX, all of the other divisions pretty much depend on further Indiana Jones and Star Wars adventures. The cycle of what can be done just with t.v. shows and video games only lasts so long before it needs a new infusion of awareness that only a new movie can bring. And like others have already said, a new trilogy or just a new open-ended series of films in that universe would make BILLIONS. As bad as the prequel trilogy is, imho, it shows the massive brand/financial/nostalgic power of star wars that all it takes is less than five years to pass and I'm like... "yeah, I'd give it a shot... would probably get excited too." <p>Spielberg said it best, "George Lucas has a bank and it is called Star Wars." Even if they have to wait until Lucas croaks, it will be done at some point. But I doubt he wouldn't do something before... I don't imagine it'll be really a sequel trilogy as much as a parallel story set some time after ROTJ, this way he could do it in 3D or something and have it be its own thing PLUS that allows him to bring back Luke, Leia, and Han within the next ten years. Then it'd be some kind of passing of the torch... it will be SOMETHING along those lines. Enough of the old to justify huge projected box office numbers, and enough of the new to start something fresh, still branded Star Wars, and that will take off the constraints of the age of the original cast and create new characters that will probably be BLAND AS FUCK but for some reason, new audiences will still eat it up. <p>And mark my words, the same goes for Indiana Jones. I'm SURE Lucas kicks himself for tying an actor so closely to a universe, because it doesn't allow him the same flexibility as something like James Bond or Star Trek, but TRUST ME... we are being groomed to accept such flexibility as we speak and will be seeing Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies FAAAARRRR into the future.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST

    And before I forget, conspiracy-- you're a sick puppy

    by YackBacker

    "Nubian fuck toy"- I love it. What a wonderful peek inside the naked, chubby world of GL.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    As an aside- the CLONE WARS show is pretty entertaining

    by YackBacker

    It still suffers from the stiffness of the prequels, but amazingly it surpasses Episodes I-III in fun factor. I'm enjoying the run and I hope it goes on for another few seasons.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker, I know he did animatics.

    by StarWarsRedux

    I'm just saying doing those is different from actually directing it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, midnight CST

    YackBacker

    by codymr

    I totally agree... I missed the film and tuned into the series ready to wince, but it is actually very well made. Anyone who thinks Clone Wars sucks and that the only good SW is from the 80s must have missed the Droids and Ewoks series... I'll admit there is a nostalgia factor, but both series are very weak.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Duh

    by Centryeagle

    I think there is no new SW movies, not for another several years or until Lucas pass the baton to someone else. Its television now, low risk and if they did a bad episode, there is always another one next week. If the new movies rumour is true, I hope not Ep7-9. Ep6 ended and everyone lives happily ever after, the fucken end. I want new movies about the old republic and more bad ass. Again a giant 'IF' they intended to make new movies. I hope a new team will handle the chores. Hire Japanese video game designers to handle the ships/fighters/driods designs!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Gary Kurtz is not exactly THE authority on SW

    by TurdontheRun

    I know folks like to shift any achievement in the SW saga away from ol' Georgie, but the fact remains that GL was responsible for a lot of what was good about the OT. <p>I remember that 9 film story arc; it's clearly very rough and changed a lot along the way. When Lucas said he had plans for a 9 part saga, he was including material that subsequently collapsed into Return of the Jedi (which is why Jedi feels rushed, too coincidental, and too neat). Jedi was originally supposed to finish with Luke confronting and defeating Vader (no Emperor in it), Han was supposed to die, and Leia(who was not Luke's sister in this version) was to become queen of the refugees of Alderaan. Everyone would go their own separate ways. Then in Ep. 7, Luke would go in search of his sister who was somewhere else in the galaxy (the 'Other' Yoda spoke of), and help her train in The Force. The Emperor would not even make an appearance in the flesh until Episode 9, where luke would have his final confrontation with him and defeat The Empire once and for all. I'm pretty sure the 12 movies thing came from Lucas having an vague idea for three more sequels post-defeat of the empire, where Luke and his sister would help rebuild the jedi order. Of course, when 7-9 got condensed into ROTJ, these sequels, ep. 10 - 12(which lucas never had any kind of defined story for) became the 'new' episodes 7-9 (at least in theory).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Let me add my vote

    by krushjudgement

    I want 7, 8, and 9!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    The full Kurtz interview is very informative

    by YackBacker

    He talks a lot about how ROTJ went off the rails, how the original story was quite different in tone and how George basically said "EMPIRE didn't make enough money because it was too dark, this one is going to be for the kids." Enter the Ewoks. Kurtz isn't THE authority, but he was an intimate witness to the initial days of the series. THE authority is a double-talking chubby egomaniac who cannot be relied on.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the compliment Yack...;)

    by conspiracy

    And have you seen Lucas "woman friend"? Let me tell you...If he wasn't George Lucas there is no way that babe would let him even drive through the same zip code as she was in.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    SWRedux, yes you're correct

    by YackBacker

    Spielberg technically didn't direct any scenes as far as I know- meaning he wasn't on set directing anything. But in a movie like STAR WARS, if you're designing the shots in animatic form, you're practically directing the movie as the actors aren't really emoting in most of the material.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Turd, I'm frankly glad

    by StarWarsRedux

    That Lucas condensed the original 7-9 into ROTJ. Having Vader come out as Luke's father effectively shifted the emotional focus onto him, and allowed for a very nice character/narrative arc with his redemption as Anakin. Honestly, I think a lot of "Star Wars" fans have just fallen a bit too in love with the "darkness" of ESB, and never quite forgave Lucas for giving the original trilogy a happy ending. <p>I wouldn't mind seeing 7-9, either. Lucas is alright to direct, in my opinion. Just find somebody to write the scripts based on his stories, and maybe a co-director to handle the actors. That's basically how ESB and ROTJ were made, anyway.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    GL's woman friend is Mellody Hobson

    by YackBacker

    She's an investment banker- which is probably why Lucas wants to fuck her so badly. He's such a money-grubbing whore.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker-- even if you're right, it's only one scene

    by StarWarsRedux

    Or only one moment from one scene. Besides, Lucas certainly had the authority to strike his contributions out if he wanted, so it's still in his jurisdiction. I do agree that previzualization is very key. On that note, Lucas could've legitimately claimed credit for co-directing ESB (especially with his on-set presence once they moved to Elstree) and ROTJ (which nobody contests his hand in, anymore).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Here's GL, Mellody and the Spielbergs:

    by YackBacker

    http://tinyurl.com/yzsyo4c<p> Do you think Spielberg and Lucas call the other up before they buy new eyeglasses?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Oh-- and Mellody Hobson is pretty damn cute.

    by StarWarsRedux

    Good for him, I say.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    SWRedux, I disagree about ESB in this respect-

    by YackBacker

    The shots were designed by Kersh and Lucas together- they collaborated based on the material I've seen/read. And particularly with ESB, Kersh was improvising a lot with the character work- look no further than the carbonite freezer sequence where Leai says "I love you" and Han says "I know." And ESB was the best movie of all 6... coincidence?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    I bet Spielberg and Lucas have good beard stories

    by lockesbrokenleg

    They should write a book.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    False prequel titles

    by TurdontheRun

    Episode 1 Balance of the Force<p>Jedi Squad.<p>The Creeping Fear. Remember those nuggets?<p>I recall when the title 'Attack of the Clones' was announced. I thought it had to be a joke. I was wrong.<p>Talking of which, those speculative titles of Ep. 7 - 9 are just weird. 'The Aliens'? Hell, that storyline was used in one of the new republic novel series, about a race of beings invading from beyond the known SW universe; I think they were called the Yuzaan Vong or something. Sounded like a load of crap, more Star Trek than Star Wars. I never read a lot of that EU stuff. But I wonder if the writers of those books took a cue from these 80's sequel rumors...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    SWRedux, have you read this book?

    by YackBacker

    http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/book.html <p>A while back the whole thing was free online but now it's only the first 100 pages. It's a good read, definitely give it a look.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    You better believe they're working on the next trilogy

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Otherwise, why did Lucas offer Ford to come back as Solo to the tune of $40 million?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Yack-- what material, exactly?

    by StarWarsRedux

    Lucas made most, if not all the visual decisions-- he hired Suschitzky as cinematographer before looking for a new director, for instance. And from what I've read/seen, it always appeared that Lucas worked solely with Joe Johnston on the storyboards, and that he made strictly visual/camera related directions while on set visits. No argument on Kersh's character work and improvizations, however, and it does add to the quality. As for the Han bit, I think that's more due to Ford than Kersh, really (remember, Harrison improved a lot of his material in ANH, as well).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Ah, that. Wrote before that was posted.

    by StarWarsRedux

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    And Ford will come back as Solo because

    by YackBacker

    his divorce cost him a TON of dough. Why do you think he suddenly agreed to the INDY sequel after being all above the material for so many years. Ford sold out the one sliver of integrity he had left with CRYSTAL SKULL. Lucas was already a sell-out. And my theory on Spielberg is that he's very quietly an insane genius- I'm talking Lex Luthor-level shit. Spielberg knows dark magic. We are his playthings. We amuse him.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Kershner added character interaction and humor

    by TurdontheRun

    to Empire. Those little touches made the film truly great. However, what people forget is that Lucas had a huge hand in Empire, and it would have been 90% the same film if he had directed. Same with the screenplay. Leigh Brackett only got a credit out of respect. Her draft of the script bore no relation to the finished project. Lucas wrote about 3 drafts of the script himself, which detailed all the beats, the dark tone, and the direction of the film. Kasdan only came in to punch up the dialogue, and refine things. The script credit should read Lucas and Kasdan. The notion that Lucas had any less to do with Empire than the other two is absurd.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    if buying an avatar ticket means getting new star wars films

    by TheBaxter

    then i definitely WON'T be buying an avatar ticket.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    SWRedux- you may be talking about the VFX shots

    by YackBacker

    But Kersh had his own book of storyboards that he created with Lucas' blessing. Kersh, like any good director, let his actor work out his problem with the scene. Do you honestly think Lucas would have let Ford have another crack at the scene so many times? And the Han scene was an example, not the only time in which Kersh made his mark on the film. I think we agree more than it sounds like based on your comments. The filmmaking process is truly collaborative, that goes without saying. But you put Kersh up against Marquand and you can see the difference in terms of GL's influence (or in Marquand's instance- domination over the "director").

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Yack...Actually i think they call each other before..

    by conspiracy

    they do the occasional partner swap. </p><p> God I can't wait for the next Indy 5 update...the TB will be fucking insane.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    TurdontheRun

    by YackBacker

    Kersh was the only person who ever stood up to GL and won arguments. I give the guy a ton of credit. Sure, GL "owned" EMPIRE, but Kersh knew how to push GL into better areas. Kersh "directed" his boss, which on a SW show is 90% of the battle.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    I should freakin' hope not!

    by Citizen Sane

    None of those three old farts should be allowed to make movies anymore. I will be amazed if the live action TV show manages to maintain a general audience and stay on the air for more than 2 seasons.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    conspiracy, get your keyboard ready

    by YackBacker

    When that TB arrives, I want the "Karen Allen/Shia Labeouf trailer romp" scene written. And Megan "Thumbs" Fox has to make an appearance.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Agreed...Ford is a whore...he'll do it for a payday.

    by conspiracy

    None of these guys gives a fuck about quality anymore...it is ALL about the payday. They are old, cynical, jaded and bitter that their dreams of being "serious" artists were steam rolled by Star Wars, Indy and mainstream acceptance. They LOVE the bank these movies provided...but now that the return is guaranteed all but fucking sleepwalk through them.</p><p>None of them should ever step in front of or behind a camera again.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by lockesbrokenleg

    You are one bitter person, aren't you? You're like the AsimovLives of Star Wars.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Actually Lockes...I don't give a fuck..

    by conspiracy

    but George's motivations are so damned obvious, and after seeing the output of Indy 4, Ford and Speilberg are not much better.</p><p>But I am no Asimov. I do hateful and cynical for the fun of it...; poor Asimov needs therapy. And it is just a TON of fun stirring the fucking hate pot!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Yack-- I'm not just talking about the VFX

    by StarWarsRedux

    Though with the VFX, that's practically half the movie's visuals, and not just with models work. Think of all the matte-painting shots-- Lucas was the one supervizing those. And reading through the "Secret History", I'm not seeing anything on Kersh's own personal storyboards (apparently he kept wanting to change the shots anyway, which is something), and visually I still see more of Lucas in the shots. Odd, also, that there's no mention of Suschitzky that I can find in the book.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Kersh's storyboards were mentioned in the ESB commentary

    by YackBacker

    He goes into it early on in the DVD commentary track.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Yeah AsmiovLives needs to chill a bit

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Kids gonna have ulcers. Well, I didn't mind Indy 4. I'd go see a 5. I wish Lucas would put out an Indiana Jones animated series, but hey, what do I know?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    The best stuff in "The Secret History" is actually re: ROTS

    by YackBacker

    It goes into a lot of detail on how Lucas abandoned his original concept of Anakin turning evil. The initial idea was that Anakin was actually power-hungry for himself, that he wasn't primarily concerned with saving Padme. The duel between Mace and Palpatine had to be reshot in a lot of places to make for this change (you can see Palpatine fighting with Anakin's lightsaber in a bunch of shots). Imagine that after decades of planning Anakin's turn, Lucas really never had a solid grasp on Skywalker's motivations until he was halfway through shooting SITH...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Did he? All I remember from Kersh's commentary

    by StarWarsRedux

    were his comments on making R2 stand on his "tippy-toes" and his contribution of having Vader fight with one hand at the start of the duel (a cool idea, I'll admit). Besides, I think that the bulk of the storyboards were already drawn up by Lucas and Johnston before Kersh was even brought on. Perhaps Kersh kept a book of their storyboards, and was free to make additions throughout production (which according to the book, he did-- I imagine one of the reasons Lucas made a few set-visits was to stop Kersh from changing the camera set-ups). <p>Again, I still can't believe Suschitzky isn't mentioned. I'm sorry to harp on this, but to me he's one of the biggest reasons for ESB's success-- far more than Kershner. No offense to the man, but ESB's cinematography is that good, to my eyes. No wonder Cronenberg's worked with him since "Dead Ringers".

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    And can you deny that the Prequels or Indy 4

    by conspiracy

    were less than A game products? I think not. I mean fuck; Bob Orci, bless his lost soul, could have written better dialog than what George pissed out in Episodes 1-3. Only 3 had any spark at all...and that was a weak 9volt spark at best.In my opinions of course</p><p> If not for Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor making horrid script somehow work..it would have been unwatchable for me. I will say this...One good thing about Georges writing...you find out within 20 minutes who are professional and can act around a poor script and direction, and those who cannot...Natalie..cough, cough...</p><p>

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Re: ROTS

    by StarWarsRedux

    I'm glad Padme became the main inspiration for his fall, frankly. Made for a nice, classical example of hubris-driven self-fulfilling prophecy (and made the most sense as a narrative). And wasn't the Mace duel changed partly because Lucas wanted to give Jackson a better death-scene? In any case, he was working overtime re-writing himself there.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Lockes..INDY ANIMATED WOULD KICK ASS!

    by conspiracy

    Didn't someone, somewhere do a short scene, or storyboard of animated Indy? I'd definitely go for that...and make it that cool, fluid 30's/40's style animation..detailed and lush. Endless Nazis, Chinese gangsters in the opium trade, cut throat Turkish thieves, Indonesian Pirates! Hell Fucking Yeah!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    American Cinematographer - Summer 1983

    by Citizen Sane

    Had a lengthy Lucas and Star Wars cover story in the hype around Return of the Jedi's release where Lucas talked about the other six movies that he was planning. His summary at the time was that IV, V and VI were about the "good and bad fathers" (Vader and Anakin as well as Obi Wan) and that I, II and III were to feature the "good and bad mothers" while in the final three chapters were to feature a conflict between the twins (at that time the only SW twins were Luke and Lea), implying that Lea was going to turn to the dark side as her power with the force awakened.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    SWRedux, my problem with Anakin's motives...

    by YackBacker

    Conceptually, wanting to save Padme doesn't jive with Anakin killing children and betraying the Jedi Order. The stuff at the end of the film, where he talks about "my new Empire" is the right track, and it was what Lucas originally intended. I think that in order for someone to become Darth Vader, that person has to be something of a sadist/sociopath deep down. For me, SITH suffers from a serious contradiction in Anakin's character. One moment he's this concerned husband and the next he's cutting up children.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Hmm..as a matter of Fact; "Indianajonesanimated.com"

    by conspiracy

    Is owned and has been place marked by Lucas Film. hmmmm....

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Mind you, Anakin CAN be both a concerned husband

    by YackBacker

    and a sociopath, but Lucas wants us to believe that he becomes a kid-killer because he loves his wife so much. That's a cop-out to me. Make Anakin a disturbed guy and leave it at that.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    YB, the Anakin killing chidren scene

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He was clearly influenced by the Sith powers at that point. He was under the impression the Jedi were evil. When Padme met Anakin on Mustfar, Anakin was able to regain some sense that he cared for Padme. Besides, Palaptine told Anakain indirectly that he could save Padme if he joined the Sith.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Wow, indianajonesanimated.com is registered?

    by YackBacker

    The cash cow's nipples are sore from all of GL's milking!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Yack, it's still there. Just with the addition of Padme.

    by StarWarsRedux

    I don't see the problem with adding it in, though perhaps the existant material of Anakin's lust for power could've been re-edited a bit better. Still, I see all the pertinent stuff-- his frustration and distrust of the Jedi, his desire for power, etc. If anything, I think the Padme subplot could've been made stronger, but it's fine for me.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Type it in Yack and see what ya get...

    by conspiracy

    Google it...owned by Lucas.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    lockes, Anakin believes the Jedi were evil

    by YackBacker

    because Palpatine told him so- which may be a product of the Emperor's Sith power over Anakin. But I guess my issue is that Anakin's turn should have been something he did more voluntarily, not under the exclusive duress or stress of his wife dying. Darth Vader was s sick fuck. That has to come from somewhere deep in a person's character, ya know?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    If you guys want a nice alternate story of the SW OT

    by lockesbrokenleg

    check out the SW Infinities books. They start out with what would happen if Luke MISSED the target to destroy the Death Star.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Anyway Yack, I think Lucas deserves more credit for ESB

    by StarWarsRedux

    That's all. Him and Suschitzky.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Another problem...Hayden,

    by conspiracy

    (sniveling whiny voice)</p><p>And I'm gonna be the Bestest, most powerfulest jedi of them all, and I'm gonna save you, and they all have me because I'm powerful and stuff, and I'm gonna have a big Empire and you can hang with me Padme and it'll be so cool..and Waaaa...Waaaaa....Why is HE here! You lied to meeeee Waaaaaa!</p><p>Granted he had shit to work with..buy Hayden does heavy about as well as a helium balloon, and with twice the, probably unintentional, whimsy.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    conspiracy, whois.org doesn't give me an owner name

    by YackBacker

    But I believe you. By God, I believe everything you've ever written!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    SWRedux, conspiracy

    by YackBacker

    SWRedux: I don't discount GL's ultimate contribution to ESB, but I do give Kersh a big amount of credit for making an adult movie that GL had not initially intended (and subsequently bemoaned for not making as much money as he had hoped).<p> conspiracy: Hayden is a bad actor, there is no fucking argument about that. And newsflash- Natalie Portman kinda sucks too. Yes, the scripts were awkward in so many places, but she fucking phoned it in big-time. She has no presence, no worldliness about her.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Hayden was suoerb in Rots

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He and Ewan were so believable. They were great.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    There will be a Han and Chewie triology

    by cylon_conspiracy

    <p>the new Star Trek showed that iconic characters aren't tied to the actors who originally portrayed them.</p> <p>Ewan was fine as Obi-Wan, he just didn't have a good script or good direction to work with. </p> <p>Someone else could play a younger Han and if they made those films, with him and Chewie fighting bounty hunters and dropping cargo, and it had the more modern sensibility that the new Trek has, it would make zillions of dollars, and could actually be good.</p>

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    And Padme was uneeded...

    by conspiracy

    A Much better angle for Anakin turning bad would be in his desire to try and do good, the road to ruin is paved with good intentions.</p><p>Having him been a powerless slave, and having shown a horrid, tortured childhood instead of one where your mom licks your ear; and then showing this person gaining freedom, power, trying to do right, but haunted by his past sets about abusing it, finally turning into the very thing he sought to destroy...and blinded by his own self righteousness blind to what he had become...drunk with power and rage.</p><p>THAT would have been a much better story than some whiny brat trying to hide his "forbidden" trim.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    conspiracy, I like what you're selling BUT

    by YackBacker

    Padme was essential to give birth to a pair of twins- one hot as fuck and the other named Carrie Fisher.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Alright gang, good chat

    by YackBacker

    I'm headed to bed finally. I appreciate the quality and well-informed give and take. Now I dream of Mellody riding a pile of white, pale flesh...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Star Wars: Prologue

    by vadakinX

    Make a prequel. Forget the EU crap which is the same thing over and over again. Don't make a trilogy. Just one 3 hour film about the war between the Jedi and the Sith a thousand years before Episode 1. Flash back to tell their origins, show the war and the formation of the Republic. <p> Make it like a WWII war movie. Three hours of what would essentially be the Star Wars origin story. Let it be done.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    I'm gonna say it - I want Ep 7-9

    by reflecto

    Let Lucas come up with the ideas and concepts and let someone else direct/write. The Beard often comes up with great basic ideas but cannot execute on the page Or, do 'em from his ideas after he's dead. Redeem the honor of the franchise by doing something exciting and different.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Sith!

    by Centryeagle

    If they pull the movie to 3 hours long, they can add more storyline in but all in all, Ep3 is ok in my book. Just too short to make things more ... sweeter! Harrison did improvised the lines on Han a lot and well, in all his other movies. As for Lucas, I don't think he is concern about making money anymore. I just hope he stop toying with us, the fans about new movies and than zip! Certainly don't want to wait another 20 years for another set of new movies. For sith sake, SW got a 25 000 years history and there is only just 6 movies, com on!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    re: Jettl93

    by Talkbacker with no name

    silentp pasted this in the other talkback and it's fucking scarey! "Jett Lucas (george's son). According to Wikipedia, born in 1993."

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    What he said!

    by Centryeagle

    This is news from 4 years back: http://www.theforce.net/topstory/story/Lucas_Talks_PreEpsiode_I_Movie_92964.asp

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Star Wars is Dead to Me

    by yodalovesyou

    Not because of the films or anything George Lucas did but because of all the fucking idiotic, joyless, cynical little cunts on the Internet, who want everything to be dark, adult and miserable because they've forgotten how to re-tune their mindsets to being kids again. The thing about haters is their inability to realize their boring, repetitive fucking opinions ARE NOT FACT and just because you were disappointed in these films, it does not mean they are "DEAD", it just means that you personally didn't like them but a lot of people did like them, so what does that make them? Necrophiliacs? Masochists? Or just people with different tastes from yours? A smart person would say the latter but since most people AICN talkbacks are a bunch of juvenile, retards who think jokes about rape are oh so fookin' hilarious, it's safe to say you can't bring yourself to accept the fact: you are wrong. There's no such thing as a 'bad' movie or a 'good' movie. There's movies you like and movies you don't like. End of story. Seriously, you haters are the scum of the fookin' universe.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    well...

    by The_Crimson_King

    companies never confirm rumors like this anyway, they always wait for "official announcements", so them denying it doesn't mean it's not true, I'm not saying whether I believe this rumor or not though, all I'm saying is that this isn't proof that it's false

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    by Centryeagle

    What Yodalovesyou said! And as the link I posted on the 2005 news. He did said about old republic movies if the interest is strong enough. I am so in for that!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    The photography in ESB...

    by blade_walker

    is one of the main reasons that film is so great. Suschitzky doesn't get nearly enough of the credit he deserves. Unlike ANH and ROTJ, ESB still looks like it was filmed last year.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:21 a.m. CST

    by Centryeagle

    As for the EU, yes I agreed its crap! I read the summaries of the EU novels after Ep6. I like none of them! EU between Ep2 and 3 is fine! In fact, they are good! Lucas said in one of them interviews that if he does make Ep6-9, it will not be anything written on those EU novels.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    by Centryeagle

    As for Crystal Skull, when I saw it for the first time. I already enjoy it because if you dicks are young enough to remember the b&w Saturday Matinees than you will know why the trio said it on many occassions that Indy movies are modern version of those old matinees. Crystal Skull is fine in my book, other than the haters online. I yet to met someone who didn't like Crystal Skull.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:30 a.m. CST

    by Centryeagle

    James Cameron or JJ Abram should direct new SW movies, if any! New teams of everyone, please! Except Ben Burtt, no one design sounds like he does and will ever be as good as he is and John Williams!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Coppola released a statement damning the industry for makign shi

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    over and over again. so why the fuck would he direct a star wars movie?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    shit like star wars

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Blade Walker-- EXACTLY

    by StarWarsRedux

    Kershner and Kurtz are usually given credit for ESB-- Kershner for encouraging improvization and moodier acting from the cast, Kurtz for basically letting Kersh do whatever he wanted (even when it risked tanking the production). Kersh's contributions to the performances are valuable, no doubt, but Suschitzky made the biggest difference with his cinematography. Lucas had originally tried to get him for ANH, and apparently he was the first person hired for ESB, before even Kershner was brought on board. Next to Lucas, the most important contributor to the movie.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Centryeagle

    by MonkeyManReturns

    Hi. My name is MonkeyManReturns. How are you? Now that we have been formally intoduced, you have officially met someone who despised the Crystal Skull. I loved the old matinee movies. But just because you make a modern version of those movies, doesn't mean you throw quality out of the window...which is what the 'trio' did. This was a bad movie. Just like Deathproof - a tribute to grindhouse movies - was also, a bad movie. And if you don't believe me, ask Jettl93 - even he shot the crystal skull srcipt out for being s-h-i-t.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    I still love star wars.

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    that's all.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    From Lucas' own mouth:

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "There are essentially nine films in a series of three trilogies. The first trilogy is about the young Ben Kenobi and the early life of Luke's father when Luke was a little boy. This trilogy takes place some twenty years before the second trilogy which includes Star Wars and Empire. About a year or two passes between each story of the trilogy and about twenty years pass between the trilogies. The entire saga spans about fifty-five years." Lucas was so knackered after Empire that he realised he could never make another 7 Star Wars films. So he folded the final trilogy into Return of the Jedi. We'll never see another Star Wars trilogy. Lucas is 65.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    MonkeyManReturns

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    Hi. My name is Adam. Learn to punctuate properly. We'll see you in junior high.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Um Eats?

    by MonkeyManReturns

    Are you really that anal? Sorry: Are. You, really; that. Anal! No but seriously, this is a talkback not a fucking PHD essay...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:26 a.m. CST

    I wish this story was true more than anything

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I'd sell my family and friends to get more Star Wars on the big screen.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    A CGI version of SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE needs to be made

    by Monkey_King

    with better character designs than the CLONE WARS show on the CN, adapted from the Steve Perry book, comic adaptation and Battle of the Bounty Hunters pop-up book. Voice actors: Gigi Edgely as Leia Organa, Mark Hamill as Luke, Temuera Morrison as Boba Fett and the actor who played WISHMASTER as Prince Xizor. This would own your fanboy asses!!!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Star Wars Prequels...

    by droids22

    Why not remake the Star Wars prequels? They seem to be remaking everything these days except for the movies that really need to be remade!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    droids22

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Exactly. Lucas needs to go back and start Episode I from the ground up. A twenty year old Anakin working as a mechanic who meets Kenobi and gets caught up in a damn-fool idealistic crusade.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:45 a.m. CST

    If you want something like animated Indy...

    by Johnno

    I recommend picking up a PS3 along with Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, and Uncharted 2: Among Thieves. You can thank me later.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    yodalovesyou

    by BurnHollywood

    Man, am I Gawddamn tired of being told that a fucked-up movie is MY fault because I didn't have the right mindset for it...lately, the mantra is that "You/I/we've forgotten what it's like to be a kid".<p> The proof that this is bullshit is LET THE RIGHT ONE IN. Here's a movie about two kids that completely knocked me on my ass without my having to pretend I'm a child myself, and yet remained completely true to the mental state and behavior of its young protagonist. What was crucial is that the film's director didn't feel the need to spoon-feed the audience.<p> The fault with the STAR WARS prequels isn't with the fans...the truth of the matter is that Lucas evolved into a fucking bore at some point (I'd say it was shortly after EMPIRE, when the manipulative, patronizing notion of the Ewoks first crossed his mind) and not only lost his touch, but was so late-life-crisis egotistical that he wouldn't pass the reins to someone more capable, as he did with EMPIRE. The result was a prequel trilogy that fulfilled the minimal requirements of serving up a background story for the far superior NEW HOPE and EMPIRE without even coming close to classic status itself.<p> And he has no one to blame but himself.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    FUCK! I Already Bought My Tickets From JettL!

    by DutchRudder

    I want my money back Jett!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST

    A question and comment

    by corplhicks

    First the question: In ROTS, Anakin is first seen as a loyal jedi with a "dark streak, perhaps". Then he devolves into a Sith because he wishes to save his wife's life-- clearly not to lose the only woman in his life, as he lost his mother. And he has no father as far as he knows. That is what we are asked to swallow. The "dreams" he has are premonitions or dreams planted by Palpatine, who knows. if Palpatine was truly THAT powerful, that he can simultaneously manipulate the minds of Anakin, a Jedi, keep that manipulation hidden from other Jedi like Yoda, AND influence hundreds of Senators and keep all of this secret, then he must be unbelievable powerful. When he fought Mace, he seemed to lose but then defeated mace once his arm was cut off with a burst of power. so I guess my question is this: when he "lost" the fight was it real? If anakin had not shown up, could Mace have finished him off. and if so, then why couldn't Yoda? seems like Palpatine could have pwned mace based on this. Now my thought: If Spielberg Lucas and Coppola teamed up for Eps 7-9 I think that would be great. and no matter what the films would make many hundreds of million. No why not? A battle against some Sith apprentice the emperor had or a secret Vader apprentice or some Sith society teaming up with the Imperial Remnant would be pretty cool, especially since immediately after the fall of Palpatine there is but ONE somewhat trained jedi available as far as we know. Plus, maybe we can see other well trained Jedi who have stayed hidden come out of the woodwork, and we can interestingly see how after years of tyranny, a Senate and jedi counsel is slowly restored amidst a galaxy in turmoil. Plus it would be cool to see the "good guys" inheriting all those Star destroyers and Luke on the bridge of one. Might be cool to see other Death stars under construction somewhere, etc.. soo much could be done. so why not. Course, we can't pick up right after ep 6 cause of age differences in actors now if story involved them, so maybe we could eek out 20 year after?? I know I would buy a ticket and I suspect many of you would too.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    The Clone Wars is better than any Prequel.

    by ganymede3010

    That's how I get my Starwas fix nowadays.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST

    corplhicks

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Palpatine would have killed Mace without a seconds thought if it were not for Anakin arriving. He wanted Anakin to see the Jedi as villains who would strike down an old man. <P> Also, Palpatine may have been a sith lord but he was still old, and in his Lightsabre Battle with Mace, maybe he wasnt as good a swordsman as his opponent, but his power with the dark side was immense. <P> He managed to twist Anakin to his will with a few simple suggestions and lies. That was his greatest power. <P> Seeing films set later on would be amazing, but if you have ever read any of the novels, you should know that there is no happy ever after for these characters. <P>

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Lorquaine

    by smackfu

    I'm not going to call you a liar, but what you're saying is complete fiction. Maybe the magazines you were reading speculated about those things, but Lucas (or a lucasfilm official source) did not state them. Memory can be a foggy thing, sometimes we change details without realizing it...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    No more Empire, no more same old shit

    by reflecto

    If you're doing a new SW trilogy, Episode 7-9, I say totally invert the concept. Set it 100 years or so in the future, have the Jedi Order become fascistic, sort of blissed-out moonies, and have the long-dead Sith order be the only way for the new cast of characters to break out of the Jedi fundamentalist mold and feel real emotion, passion, etc again and fight for rebellion. Explore the gray areas between just "light" and "dark," good and evil. This kind of strange idea is the only place the SW universe can go now. Everything else is a retread.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Thrawn

    by Drsambeckett1984

    They need to do The Thrawn Trilogy books into movies, recast the parts for all I care, it worked for Star Trek. Or just set it way further into Star Wars future like the Legacy Era, all the characters from the films are dead in that time period anyway.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:48 a.m. CST

    C'mon talkbackers...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...where's the hate? The insults? The franchise flame wars? What's with this civilized Star Wars TB shit? <p> Granted, this story isn't as humor-provoking as the classic fake Ep3 script story (Self-igniting Yoda! Black lightsabers! Sith Witch! Grando Carlissian!), but you guys, with the exception of Conspiracy, have just stopped caring. <p> Can we get some LOTR or Matrix fans in here to stir some shit up? No? Fuck...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    THE SITH WERE DESTROYED IN ROTJ

    by J-Dizzle

    Without the Sith a Star Wars movie would be pointless. And forget that Thrawn Trilogy crap, Lucas would never stoop so low as to adapt EU trash.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Speaking of the Expanded Universe...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...have you heard of the new book, Death Troopers, by Joe Schreiber? It's fucking STAR WARS ZOMBIES, people! A prison barge with engine trouble encounters a derelict Star Destroyer in deep space. They go aboard for supplies and encounter hordes of flesh-eating Imperial zombies. I shit you not. <p> This is either the coolest Star Wars idea in ages or the worst shark-jumping moment in geek history.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    ShabbyBlue

    by DocPazuzu

    Are you THE ShabbyBlue? Seeing your name in a Star Wars talkback seems like too much of a coincidence.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Drsambeckett1984

    It sounds like an awesome idea, but in another expanded universe first check out Star Wars Crosscurrent by Paul Kemp, this one has time travelling Sith!!!! And time travel is something Star Wars has always shied away from.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    re time travel...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and other Star Trek tropes: <p> Mike Wong wrote a fan-fic novel (the only bit of fan-fic I've ever been able to endure) called Star Trek vs Star Wars: Conquest where there is both time travel, wormhole shenanigans and an interesting bit regarding teleportation and its absence in the Star Wars universe. <p> Federation folks find it quaint that the New Republic still uses shuttles rather than transporters, while the New Republicans are creeped out by transporters since they can detect no trace of the Force in Federation types. <p> The meaning of this? <p> Every time a Federation type uses a transporter, he or she is destroyed and rebuilt at the receiving platform. Every use of a transporter effectively kills the traveler and creates a clone of sorts at the other end, an endless string of soulless replicas -- something which FedTech has never noticed.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    NOOOOOOO! - Vader

    by DutchRudder

    Goddamn it, that was lame. Maybe as lame, or lamer, as the CGI pear from ep.II

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Star Wars is just awesome, even when its bad!

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I havent seen any of the new season of Clone Wars, but im hoping it will be as good as the first!. Why did they release that shitty film when there were so many great episodes in there. Baffling. <P> The expanded universe novels, in all fairness, have surpassed everything Lucas has ever done in terms of story telling and character development. <P> Its telling that my favourtie Star Wars character is Mara Jade, who has never been in one of the films or tv.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    catching up - conspiracy brilliant as always

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Love the GL story, could imagine him getting off on teenage girls dressed as Twileks...I do too...kidding...maybe

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:34 a.m. CST

    I definetely wouldn't say no to another trilogy

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    And think they will be 100% animated. <p> Its a rich entertaining universe and as many have commented before its really classic fantasy of knights and wizards, and all sorts of creatures. <p>

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:37 a.m. CST

    "...the last sip

    by DocPazuzu

    ...of his 90 proof breakfast still warming his goiter." <p> I just about fell off my chair when I read that and that was just the first sentence. conspiracy is awesome.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:39 a.m. CST

    The real question is on a sequel trilogy is

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    whether it really is a sequel and includes Luke, Leia, Han and the gang or whether its set further in the future. <p> Problem with being a real sequel for Lucasfilm is that they are unlikely to use stories from the expanded universe (whilst GL is alive) and think the expanded universe has handled this very well already. <p> Alternatively set in far the future, it will be without the characters we know and care about. Which obviously does not have as much mainstream appeal.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Ian McDiarmid

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    If there is another live action movie, assuming he is still living at the time, the guy needs to be in it. <p> For me without a doubt the best actor and best performances in the Star Wars saga came from this guy. <p> McGregor was also very good, its still amazes me the difference between Ewen's delivery and performance v Hayden, both reading from the same script.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Fuck it, lets have a new trilogy, why not?

    by dailysportspages

    <br> It seems that the creation of Darth Vader served a dual purpose.<br> The Emperor had set up a cloning facility using the Anakin and the Vader suit as a template. But unfortunately for him he was never able to go to production with his new Vader clones... but now someone else has!<br> <br> Luke: Old Jedi Master and teacher of his nephew... Luke never married.<br> Leia: Queen/Empress of something or other.<br> Han: A few scenes of him living on his ranch as a sort of space cowboy, he is a retired admiral of the new Republic fleet. <br> Anakin: His Force Ghost communicates with Leia and Han's son, the way Obi Wan communicated with Luke. <br> Chewbacca: Is now a respected admiral.<br> Yoda: Is not in the movie per se, but his Force Ghost still communicates with Luke to guide him.<br> Wookie: There is a Wookie in the Jedi Council.<br> Darth Vader: There is no Vader of course, but Vader became such a mythical figure with the Sith that a "Cult of Vader" now exists within a small group of Sith who dont believe in the rule of 2 and instead await the return of Darth Vader to lead them all.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    What was wrong with the Prequels....

    by TRON

    a) script needed extra help for improved dialogue b) pacing issues with all 3 films, some scenes rushed, other scenes were drawn out (The opening of Jedi is the only example of a rushed pace in the original trilogy, the sandstorm scene should have stayed in) c)many action scenes seemed to be written in deliberately as "video game" storyboards. Lucas really needed help to polish a turd (Don't get me wrong, there were really good highlights as well) Worst scene of the prequels,,, Padme falling off of the Gunship..either bad directing or bad acting, maybe both. Scene threw me off of the story and felt I was just looking at an actress on a movie set.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Best scene -- Padme's torn outfit, exposing

    by Dingbatty

    her bare midriff. The S&M number was good, as well.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST

    There we go -- this outfit, in an exceptional pose:

    by Dingbatty

    http://tinyurl.com/ylaphzs<p>Boing!<p>Shame she can't act her way out of a wet paper sack, but, it's forgivable.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Quote from GL

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    from a guardian interview in 2002.</p> "Earlier, Lucas let go a potentially revealing slip of the tongue. Expounding on the difficulty of constructing each film as a self-contained whole, he said, "the challenge for me is telling a six-part story: so in Episode I there are things that I have to get in that refer to Episode VII... no, hang on, we're not there yet. I mean Episode IV.""http://tinyurl.com/yfaxr8r</p>Not saying that means much, but it does prove that the thought has passed through his mind as late as '02.</p>Now i'm wondering...What material in TPM could refer to this hypothetical Episode VII??</p>Not to scare anyone, but i'm thinking of Midichlorians...what say you?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    sorry

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    fucked</p> <p>up</p> <p>my</p> <p>paragraphs...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Lucas

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is a puzzling figure. It's clear he's not a great dramatist but he's an amazing visualist/editor. I wish he would get on with his experimental films and drop all the Star Wars-related TV shows. Give us something along the lines of THX and Graffiti again George, before it's too late!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Recently star wars has been best

    by moody by nature

    when it's other very talented artists, writers etc playing in this amazing world that Lucas created. I say let's have an Old Republic film, animated or live action, dealing with the Jedi Knights and the rising Sith armies. None of this "only two there are" shenanigans - let's see Knights of the Old Republic brought to life with a great visual director at the helm.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    I for one

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    would dose myself up real nice and allow those sweet little Midichlorians into my heart...through my no doubt rapidly melting eyeballs.</p> <p>Speaking of which, ever watched TPM on ketamine? A strange and wonderful experience awaits you if you haven't.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:01 a.m. CST

    I'm excited for the Avatar trailer

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    About these prquel haters ...

    by Nibelunge

    What always strikes me as rather funny about this prequel-criticism is ... well, week cinematography, logic holes in the story, questionable casting decisions, cheesy dialogues ... is had all been the same with the original movies. But as a a kid you will not notice, because it does not matter to you. I mean, this is popcorn cinema, like James Bond or whatever. All I expect is good entertainment for a pleseant night. It is not supposed to make my life meaningfull. I love the original movies. I always liked the Ewoks. I do like the prequels. I don't like JarJar or whathisname. I think, he would not like me either ... Is it possible, that Episodes III-VI are more popular in Europe whereas episodes I and II are more popular in America? I also always liked the Thrawn (?) trilogy. I thought it would be regarded as "de-facto-canon" within the comunity. Is it no? I'd like to see it adapted to the big screen, either live action or animation. I would recast the classic roles though. Anyway, maybe this is all like those rumors about some new "Battlestar Galactica" feature. A rumor coming from nowhere an never heard of again. On the other side, they are doing DUNE for the third time! What about Ender's Game Rama Neuromancer Concider Phlebas Brave New World ...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Lucas seemed to be losing it by RtJ

    by spike fan

    The Luke/Vader Emperor scenes were all quality and really well done but the rest was poor. You had ANOTHER Death Star except with this you could fly whole ships in to it (Dumb move). You had the Emperors "Legion of his best troops" beaten up by the teddybares with attitude. You had the really contrived forcing of Leia becoming Lukes sister (Which makes the kissing in the last two films gross). You had Harrison Ford looking so bored wishing he was somewhere else and Carry Fisher looking stoned. Oh yeah did I mention the Ewoks.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Bring 'em out on Blu-Ray, then!

    by Mr Gorilla

    Hmm?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    The Prequels COULD HAVE BEEN really cool

    by spike fan

    The Set up from the OT was near perfect. There was this galaxy spanning clone wars (Still talked about 20 yrs on) The rise and fall (Classic Tragic hero archeytpe) of Anakin Skywalker who goes from the "best star pilot in the galaxy and cunning warrior" and "powerful Jedi" to the Evil Darth Vader and his great friendship with Obi Wan "He once thought as you do!" that would end tragically. The rise of the Empire and the fall of the Jedi all of this should have made a hell of a story. Instead what do we get an obsession with CGI and blue/green screen tech. Lucas cant even be bothered to get the continuity right (Did we need Qui-gon to find Anakin??) or basic plot motivation. Palps even admits in Sith to Anakin that he doesnt have cure but with time he MAY DO!. Despite that the little pyscho still goes child killin anyway. While the noble Jedi come across as idiots in bathrobes just begging for the chop. The story was there but Lucas does not or lost the ability to tell it along time ago. Oh yeah and Jar Jar Binks too urgghhh

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    No originals in 3D?

    by ImperialMarchFace

    Laaaaame. I would be psyched for those. Way more psyched than a new trilogy, which will NEVER HAPPEN. But I'd love to see 4-6 in 3D. Here's hoping that comes around.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Well I must say...

    by Engelhast

    That I am pretty bummed that the gears have getting the OG trilogy at the very least converted over to 3D for the big screen have stopped turning. I was looking so forward to blasting down the Death Star trench and zooming past the trees of Endor in theatrical 3D. Bummer. Worst news I have heard in a long time. I really don't care to see another trilogy at all. Not based on the characters we all know and love any way. Set it in the distant future. Cade Skywalker is where Star Wars it is at these days for me. Clone Wars Season 2 has been great also. Bring on more animation. I'd love a Clone Wars style movie based on Shadow of the Empire.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Spike Fan

    by Mr Gorilla

    I think you are on the money there. I genuinely think that REVENGE OF THE SITH is a better movie than RETURN OF THE JEDI. I have defended the Prequels many times here. PHANTOM MENACE is a bit of a mess. But the other two have very entertaining stuff. However, I put one into the DVD player a week ago, and I have to admit it did look cranky. The problem, much as I hate to admit it, is in the script and acting. Those characters just don't feel alive. I'd argue that something like HARRY POTTER - the recent ones anyway - manage to get a balance where you care about the characters. (Though to me the SW mythology and story is far more interesting and better suited to films than the HP - Lucas at least makes sure that big, significant things happen in every film.) Oh I do wish those Prequels had got the 'human stuff' right. They would have been totally, totally amazing. And, you know, Lucas used to be a very HUMAN director. People joke about 'faster, more intense' but look at the performance in THX and AMERICAN GRAFFITTI. They're AMAZING.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Some bits of the prequels are brilliant

    by kwisatzhaderach

    And it has to be said, Harrison Ford's acting in Return of the Jedi is worse than anything in the prequels. <p> Give Jar Jar Binks a cool alien language with English subtitles like Nien Nunb and even he becomes tolerable.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    STAR WHAT?

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Spielberg is Making Money Off The Star Wars Films

    by fassbinder79

    because of a bet he made with Lucas that SW would be a hit and Close Encounters wouldn't be one. They both won their respective bets and each receives royalties from points on the back end for the two films. So, contrary to what many are saying on these boards Spielberg has a stake in whether a new Star Wars film gets made.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST

    3D redos

    by Tumor_Binks

    If they release PHANTOM MENACE first in 3D, I will have forgotten that Star Wars even exists by the time they release A NEW HOPE.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Return of The Jedi..

    by Engelhast

    pretty much every actor's performance in that movie is phoned in except Ian McDiarmid. I'd put it only behind Phantom Menace as worst of the saga. One of the best space battles ever put to film is in ROTJ though.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Ahead of PM.

    by Engelhast

    I meant.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Lucas messed up

    by Philvis

    His Clone Wars cartoon series is the way he should have went with much of the prequels. They really are top notch.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Not much imagination here at AICN

    by viktorelius

    After skimming through most of the comments I´m surprised that so few "fans" think outside of the box. 1. There will be more star wars movies. 2. They shouldn´t occour near the original film but rather a couple of thousand years back or in the future. 3. George Lucas should have no input.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    In a not so distant future, there will be Star Wars vs. Star Tre

    by turketron_2

    And it will make a shit ton of money. <p>*jumps back into time machine*

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    A MILLION POSTS LATER and you still

    by gringito

    want me to believe that no one cares? I laugh in your face. If no one cares, this talkback would be empty.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Engelhast

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Right. Jedi is a mess until the last 30 minutes, when it becomes just about the greatest film ending ever put on screen.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Playkins is right

    by I am_NOTREAL

    SW 7,8,9 will go when Lucas dies and his heirs decide they want a huge payday. It's too valuable a property to stay small-screen forever. No matter how weak the prequel trilogy was, new SW films would pay like a Zeppelin reunion -- they wouldn't hold a candle to the original, but would still rake in massive dough. And everyone knows it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    FUCK

    by Anna Valerious

    Aside from seeing Disney re-releases in 3D, this was also going to be on the list. :( Maybe we need a campaign to change their minds....

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I dont hate the prequels at all.

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I think they are underated, with the exception of Attack Of The Clones, which is terrible. ROTS is fantastic, and TPM has aged very well, it is a better film than most remember. <P> Star Wars was never perfect. I find the pacing of ANH to be all over the place, and ROTJ has soem shocking moments but the finale makes up for all past sins. <P> The Star Wars universe is so rich, full of spectacle and wonderful characters, but GL is not the person to bring it back to the big screen. <P> A Knights Of The Old Republic film would be amazing, but Lucas would never make it. The story of Legacy, the most recent comic series, is incredibly cinematic and is ripe for a big screen adaptation. The expanded universe books exist as an amazing blueprint for any filmaker who is eventually allowed to take over the reigns from Lucas. <P> I'll do it. For free.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Prequels v. Original Trilogy v. CLONE WARS cartoon

    by YackBacker

    The main problem with the Prequels is that they weren't fun. The Original Trilogy, for all of its bad dialogue and silliness, captured the revved up spirit that had become the trademark of STAR WARS. In some ways, the CLONE WARS cartoon is a return to that form. What Lucas did with the Prequels was make a boring (and maudlin at times) series of movies about what should have been a hugely exciting series of events. His poorly-conceived idea of zany energy, Jar Jar, was dead on arrival. So, Lucas abandoned the fun factor altogether in an attempt to appease the fans. Guess what? He failed.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Think about it- Lucas had a character step in shit

    by YackBacker

    The guy is criminally unfunny. He's a fucking strange dude, in fact.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Lucas is scared....

    by marineboy

    ...his legacy will be tarnished with the dross of prequels...he NEEDS a new trilogy and of course bring back HAN SOLO!! it could be the New ADVENTURES of TEEN SOLO???

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    For a short time, I believed SuperShadow

    by jupstin

    And it was a blissfully ignorant time

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    The plot and characters are already outlined for 7, 8, and 9....

    by thedoctor28

    Its at starwars.com. Luke has re-built the jedi order. The bad guys now clone Anikin and Luke for their dark side powers. There is a detailed synapses, read all about it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Maybe not Lucas...

    by JediChris1138

    There are several big vfx shops out there that do 3D conversions... just because Lucas isn't working on it, doesn't mean somebody somewhere isn't!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    this is the funniest talk back

    by maitlanr

    around.<p>you guys are great.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    this is the funniest talk back

    by maitlanr

    around.<p>you guys are great.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Christ people

    by thedoctor28

    All 6 movies are good. WTF??!! Dont like, dont watch!!! Haters suck! AND BTW. eps 7, 8, and 9 are set about 20+ years after ep 6....So the timing would be perfect!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    "Haters suck!"

    by YackBacker

    Woah, who let Mylie Cyrus into a talkback?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    No Clue about Milie, you must watch her to know lol...

    by thedoctor28

    Link to 7 8 and 9 plots: http://www.starpulse.com/forum/index.php?topic=10317.0

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Christ man, it's MYLIE not "Milie"!!!

    by YackBacker

    Huge fan of her vocal work. Linda Rondstadt is looking over her shoulder at Mylie Cyrus. I'm already anticipating Mylie's eventual appearance at Cernegie Hall, singing "The Marriage of Figaro."

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Umm correction, it's MILEY, not "Mylie" or "Milie"

    by YackBacker

    Sorry, I'm a new fan of her work! Just started this afternoon, in fact...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    thedoctor28

    by BurnHollywood

    Just an FYI: the 7, 8 and 9 "scripts" are a load of bullshit parented by a serial liar/fruitcake who calls himself "Supershadow". He had quite a heyday just before REVENGE OF THE SITH came out, snagging every leaked plot detail and presenting them as "inside information" given to him by Lucas himself. He even faked an interview with Lucas, in which (my favorite part) the bearded one named SS his successor in the event of his untimely reunion with The Force.<p> 100% nonsense.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    supershadow - what a real class act

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    there are some seriously delusional guys on this site but that guy takes delusion to a whole new level

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Supershadow is Hysterical!

    by jaysin420

    This mfer has star wars fans writing him questions every day for years and they all start out like- Dear Lord Master Shadow and shit like that....lol its brilliant.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I dig Super Shadow

    by YackBacker

    He's probably the Minister of Information for some 3rd World dictator. The guy is GOOD at what he does!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I want Lucas to direct an art film

    by Stabby

    like he said he was going to do when he was done with the prequels so he can be exposed for the talentless hack he has devolved into.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is so fucking cool!

    by Azlam Orlandu

    You aggots are missing out.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Super Shadow...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    ...Jesus Christ...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    People who completely write off Star Wars over LotR...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    ...take the vibrators out of your asses. "I want to hear more about Sam." Skaggits!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    The only reason anyone is still talking about Star Wars is TESB

    by The Decider

    The others were all mediocre at best. A New Hope was a pop culture phenomenon, not a great movie.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    7, 8, 9, I can do without...

    by Engelhast

    Lucas needs to get to work on Willow 2!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    LUCAS AND STAR WARS GOT PWNED BY PJ'S LOTR!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Now...<P>...FLAME ON!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Kevin smith hit the LOTR nail on the head...

    by Engelhast

    Three movies about walking. Even the trees in that fucking movie walked.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    you guys seem to forget or are just oblivious..

    by slagkill

    and wearing fan boy goggles of myopia.Not everyone hates the prequels- just jerkoff fanboys.The prequels made a shit ton of money and actually captivated a whole new audience- a new young generation that love the prequels more than the OT, because they are not jaded 30 something fantards. Some people still enjoy movies in this day and age, most people just don't shit on everything. Some of you people should really get a new hobby because it just does not seem that you like movies anymore.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Star Wars vs. LotR is ludicrous

    by Stabby

    Really, can we move beyond this schoolyard level of dialogue guys?!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Stabby

    by Engelhast

    No doubt...the real debate is Star Wars Vs. Trek.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith must prefer endless shots of spaceships landing.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yeah. That's probably more to his taste.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Sorry, slagkill were you talking about TRANSFORMERS 2?

    by YackBacker

    Your criteria is too broad. Making a shit ton of money does not a good movie make.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    The first LOTR was alright.

    by StarWarsRedux

    The other two-- way too much crap about humans, eleves and trees, not enough about the actual ring. I'll take hours and hours of spaceship valet parking over that any day.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    *elves, that is.

    by StarWarsRedux

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    "I'll take hours and hours of spaceship valet parking..."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Apparently, that's exactly what you got.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    SWRedux, agreed

    by YackBacker

    As much as I rag on the prequels, I would sooner watch them than the LOTR movies. They never worked for me... of course it's all a matter of personal taste. Besides, at least Christopher Lee's character in SW had an ending!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Oh, Christopher Lee's character had an ending in LOTR, too.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Granted, it wasn't handled properly at the time of the theatrical release but they made up for it when the EE DVD came out.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Yack-- I enjoy half of LOTR

    by StarWarsRedux

    The half that actually has to do with the ring. FOTR? Damn entertaining. TTT and ROTK? The stuff with Sam, Frodo and Gollum is good, the Gandalf and Saruman stuff is okay, but everything else is boring and predictable as hell. Did they really need to be three-hour films? Whatever. I enjoy the prequels quite a bit more than those things.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I wonder which will come first...

    by HapaPapa72

    Flying cars an everyday thing or a new SW Trilogy... It cracks me up how some of these tweeny kids have such short attention spans...anything out of sight for a year or two is "dead to them...". It's been awhile since Star Wars crossed my mind, but it'll always hold a special place for me (even the lackluster prequels...). And SW REdux, I liked the first LOTR and ROTK, but The Two Towers kinda dragged... didja ever see Clerks 2? "Even the TREES walked in Two Towers!"

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Nice Gaius, Lee's DVD ending sucked too.

    by StarWarsRedux

    Instead of the scourging of the Shire, he gets pushed onto a spike thing? Lame. <p>Also, Yack, another interesting SW resource: http://www.theasc.com/magazine/starwars/index.html <p>Most interesting are the interviews with cinematographers like Peter Suschitzky. I'm still kinda pissed at the "Secret History" book for dropping the ball on mentioning him, who I really hold up as the biggest reason for the film's success, besides Lucas.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! The point was that the character had an ending. <P>But you know what's really lame? The STAR WARS prequels. Seriously, the laundry list of lameness is unbelievable. If those were the movies Lucas set out to make, he should not have called them STAR WARS. Something like "SPACESHIP VALETS: THE RISE OF SHODDY EXPOSITION" would have been more appropriate...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    THE FORCE = MIDICHLORIANS?!?!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    JAR JAR BINKS?!?!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    "NOW THIS IS POD RACING!"?!?!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    "ROGER, ROGER."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    AN ASTHMATIC ROBOT GENERAL?!?!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Sorry about that...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...I kinda got carried away.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    YOUR CAPS LOCK IS ON!?!?!?!

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Again, preferrable to LOTR

    by StarWarsRedux

    I don't care about the humans, and care even less about the elves-- having characters who are practically immortal and perfect in every way is only interesting if you kill them off. If Legolas had died, he might've meant something. At any rate, so much of those movies were redundant. The same big, long marching scenes followed by the same, big battle sequences, with very little difference between them. I'm just not a Tolkien or Jackson fan. Boring shit. <p>As for midichlorians-- hey, I thought it was nice to see the "science" put into science-fiction. And I like the idea that there's these little Force-buzzing mitochondria in my cells. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Literally.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    LOTR was pwned by dungeon seige

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    you know it to be true...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    at least phantom menace will probably be better

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    than avatar. i think i saw a navi in the background of 'attack of the clones'.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    the elves in LOTR are assholes

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    they are just going to pick up and leave. they don't care about any one else in middle earth except for themselves. they won't help fight against sauron. assholes.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I'd watch ROTS before that snore fest Two Towers any day.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "At any rate, so much of those movies were redundant. The same big, long marching scenes followed by the same, big battle sequences, with very little difference between them."<P>Wow. Then you must have really loved the Prequels with the constant back n' forth between planets, the constant shots of spaceships LANDING, the endless marching of Storm Troopers, the endless destruction of robots by Jedis...<P>Yeah, how about that? Jedis killing practically nothing but robots over and over and over again. Could there be anything less threatening to a Jedi? How...boring.<P>As for the midichlorians, they all but killed anything spiritual about the existence of the Force. If they were something that could be measured, then why couldn't they be something more easily manipulated? Lucas should have never gone there; it killed the magic.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I don't care. Please go away.<P>Thanks.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

    by Engelhast

    Anakin's immaculate conception and Medichlorians really bother me the most about Phantom Menace. The rest I can live with.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    If I post my Star Wars idea....

    by vadakinX

    If I write an outline of my Star Wars idea, will you: <p> a) laugh at me b) provide constructive criticism or praise where appropriate c) Ignore the post completely

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Hi Eric

    by FormerEnglandPropJasonLeonard

    No Eric

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by StarWarsRedux

    It's still more variety. Jedi vs. Droids, Clones vs. Droids, Jedi vs. Sith, Jedi vs. Clones, etc. Different types of battles (aerial, ground, large armies, one-on-one duels), different terrains/planets, etc. Plus, it's sci-fi action, so it's more my thing. I'm not really into fantasy. <p>As for LOTR-- it's a lot of well-done traditional sword-and-arrow battle, but really, most of it has been done before. If I want to watch the kind of action you see in those movies, I can just as easily watch "Braveheart", "Gladiator", or even fucking "Zulu". Dressing it up in Halloween costumes just bores me after a while. <p>As for the midichlorians, frankly it made the spiritual dimension a little less fuzzy, more intimate to me. I don't see their inclusion destroying the spirituality of the Force any more than modern-day science ruins religion. I can believe in evolution and still go to church, can't I?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    LOTR had one really awesome movie - Fellowship

    by lockesbrokenleg

    One average movie, Two Towers, and One pretty decent film - King.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    if the star wars prequals suck

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    then the lotr movies suck for the same reasons. thats a fact. both trilogy's are boring, slow and repetitive. both rely too much on special effects wowing you into forgetting that the stories/plots are boring. <p> p.s. the jedi kill more that robots. they kill lots of little children...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I still don't see the problem with midichlorians

    by vadakinX

    From ANH: The Force is a mystical energy field created by all living things. <p> From TESB: Life creates it. Makes it grow. <p> From TPM (regarding the midichlorians): Without them we would have no knowledge of the Force and life could not exist. <p> According to the prequel trilogy, the Force creates life. According to the original trilogy, life creates the Force. The former would appear to be the more mystical.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Lockes, you're being very generous.

    by StarWarsRedux

    TTT and ROTK were both about half good, half utterly discardable. To me, at least.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Variety? Hmmm, perhaps. It's certainly an easier way to get a PG/PG-13 rating if you have your Jedi slice n' dice a bunch of machines instead of a more corporeal threat.<P>As for fantasy vs. sci-fi, I have no dog in that race, per se. To each his own. I just think as a series of films, LOTR stands head and shoulders above the prequels (most of the OT, too).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Re: midichlorians, etc.

    by YackBacker

    There was one provocative moment in ROTS where Palpatine basically hints that he is Anakin's de facto "daddy", using the Force to create life itself. It's never fully connected, just a hint of something that might be... in an earlier draft of ROTS, I believe they went all-in on Palpatine declaring "I am your father," which thankfully didn't happen. But the idea of Palpatine creating a Force-powerful life, not knowing where the kid will come from, but that he will eventually emerge is kind of cool.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    ROTK had large birds

    by YackBacker

    HUGE fucking birds. Birds of prey? No, birds of profundity!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The Jedi kill children?! When? Who? Anakin?<P>And I'll take the writing and acting of the LOTR films over any of the STAR WARS films any day. To say they both suck for the same reasons is completely asinine. No offense.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    SWRedux, thanks for the link

    by YackBacker

    Awesome resource. I think the "Secret History" book skips on not just Suschitzky but a vast majority of the crew in discussing the movies. The author is more concerned with the evolution of the plot, not the filmmaking process.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    "The Empire Strikes Back" sucks my balls.

    by HarryCalder

    Terrible movie, easily the worst of the bunch.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Yack-- LOTR is for the birds.

    by StarWarsRedux

    There's a lot that I philosophically object to in Tolkien. The elves are retreating, with no real explanation, leaving the rest of Middle Earth to fend for itself at the worst possible moment. The main theme regarding Aragorn ascending to the throne and becoming King of all strikes me as disturbingly authoritarian, and a hopelessly outdated message. Even the "Treasure of Sierra Madre" plot between Frodo, Sam, Gollum and the Ring is a little too misanthropic for my tastes-- so in the end, the world is only saved by accident, thanks to man's (or hobbit's) greed? How uplifting. <p>Thanks, but I'll pass. Also, I'm sorry, but Jackson's direction is horribly overrated.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Two Tower starts off reallly well

    by lockesbrokenleg

    but once they get to Treebeard, well, I fall asleep. They establish the talking tree people so much, but aside from Towers, we never see them again. Not even in three.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Just kidding, I love TESB...

    by HarryCalder

    ...just wanted to see if peeps got their panties in a bunch...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I like the word "bunch" today

    by HarryCalder

    Okay, I'll go away now.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Yack-- re: Secret History

    by StarWarsRedux

    On the evolution of the plot, I agree that it's an invaluable resource-- a little heavy handed in the Lucas skepticism, but I have to admit that a great deal of it is pretty fair and even sympathetic to him (Gary Kurtz comes off as an asshole, in my opinion). But it's very, VERY slight on the visual evolution of the films, especially ESB, which is my major point of contention. Or at least the thing I'm most interested in, especially because Kershner's just as iffy with the facts in his interviews as Lucas has been. I do wish there were some more objective research on that matter.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    MY REACTION UPON HEARING NO NEW DIRECTOR FOR STAR WARS

    by Meadowe

    I was locked down in the hospital reading it on my sidekick that not only were they making a new 3d star wars movie, but they were getting another director. My heart fluttered that maybe Christopher Nolan, Guillermo Del Toro or even Bobcat Goldthwait (spl?) would direct an entirely new star wars trilogy. Then I read this article and I got angry that it wasn't true. I have a high MEADOWECHLORIAN COUNT, the highest ever, so even in my hospitalized condition with my farce powers I crushed the medical machines around me and broke free from my hospital bed and stumbled a few steps and yelled out "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" there was this creepy old lady in a black hooded robe (think snuggies but with a hood and eviler and sith-ier) who was in the next hospital bed, and she was smiling. I thought she was smiling at my pain, but I found out it was because my hospital gown was undone in the back and I had no panties on. Told ya she was creepy.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    LOTR is racist

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    the only people of color in the film play orcs. all the good guys are white.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That scene with Palpatine is one of maybe three moments when the prequels rise to a decent level of drama. The Kenobi/Maul duel and Kenobi's little speech to Anakin after he cuts him down are the only other moments when I felt those films rose to a level of either action or thematic quality. Everything else is slip-shod and hamfisted at best. Kind of a shame...there were a lot of great possibilities.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    James Cameron for Star Wars!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Everything is in blue.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    i don't think its asanine to compare

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    the two trilogy's are the same in terms of look and feel. just because people are constantly crying in lotr does not mean that there is better acting in lotr

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    SWRedux, do you own the huge Rinzler book

    by YackBacker

    "The Making of Star Wars"? They should do one just like that for ESB-- you're right, there is no definitive record of ESB and that's a real shame. <p> What I find interesting in the Rinzler book, however, is that the story for ANH goes through a massive overhaul (I think the 4th draft? Not positive) in which all of the random elements of Lucas' prior drafts get set aside and in its place is what is pretty much the story in the final film. It is such a dramatic change in story, however, and I have been left wondering whether or not someone came in and guided Lucas towards a coherent plot. My theory is that person's name is Marcia Lucas-- a person who's contributions have been greatly minimized by Lucas over the years.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    orcs = federation droids

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    all the jedi do is kill federation droids? all the characters in lotr do is kill orcs that all look the same. whats the difference?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Yup, I got the Rinzler tome.

    by StarWarsRedux

    Very interesting stuff, especially on the movies that Lucas screened for crew to show the look he wanted, like "Once Upon a Time in the West". Having it confirmed that he was a Leone fan helps put things into good focus. And I am looking forward to a big book on ESB as well, as we do need to have the record set straight. As of now, I find it difficult to believe Kersh had much to do with the images just based on the iffy visuals for his films prior. It just doesn't look like the work of the same director. <p>As for Marcia Lucas, if she was really such a big influence, I think we probably would've heard of her doing something of her own all these years. And no wonder her contributions have been greatly minimized-- she divorced him.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    REALLY lost me at "So you better make sure Avatar does super goo

    by ricarleite2

    NICE TRY LAO CHE, I mean, HARRY!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    MNG, ROTS succeeds more than the others because

    by YackBacker

    there was actually something worthwhile happening on screen- and by worthwhile I mean directly consequential to the later films. I think that Lucas missed a lot of opportunities, like you mention. So many of us have said this in the past, that Episode I should have been an older Anakin entering the picture, meeting a more seasoned Obi Wan at the start of the Clone Wars. Episode II should have been a real full-on Clone Wars movie and Episode III's general plot could have remained as-is. Qui Gon is a pointless character if you think about it- he is basically serving the role Obi Wan Kenobi was originally conceived of doing in GL's original concept for the movie. And I hate that Lucas couldn't even manage to get Qui Gon back into the series in Episode III as he had planned, speaking to Yoda about the Force, and how the Jedi need to go into hiding, etc. From a storytelling POV, Qui Gon was completely superfluous, which is a waste of a good actor and potentially good material.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Avatar's gonna tank no matter what ploy they use.

    by venvariants

    Serious. Big honkin bomb. Duh.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    REALLY lost me at "So you better make sure Avatar does super goo

    by ricarleite2

    NICE TRY LAO CHE, I mean, HARRY!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    SWRedux, Marcia got half of Lucas' "empire"

    by YackBacker

    She never had to work ever again. Her lack of other noteworthy work is not dispositive of her making a significant contribution with the original STAR WARS.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    will illegaly downloading avatar help?

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    cuz thats the only way im going to see it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I never thought about it, but this was a stunt to boost avatar

    by Meadowe

    Jim cam's technological improvements won't mean shit if the movie's story is shit. He'd be better off using that technology to film an aurora borealis (spl?) than those blue giraffes with mullets.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The reason why the Elves are leaving Middle Earth is a bit difficult to explain here let alone in the films. But in a nutshell, they've been leaving Middle Earth long before the movies start. So, their overall population has dwindled due to this and the centuries of war with both Sauron (and Morgoth). The idea that they would have anything to contribute to the fight (beyond their own borders) is pretty much nonexistent at that point.<P>Your take on Aragorn's rise to the throne is an interesting one. Especially when you consider that he represents the future hope of Middle Earth. Kings are "outdated" but the rise of a great man through great trials and adversity is as timeless as any longstanding myth or folk tale.<P>As for the world of LOTR being saved by an accident, I think you may have missed the point so clearly layed out in FOTR. The Ring would do and cause anything it had to in order to be possessed and returned to its master. As Tolkien so eloquently pointed out, Evil often undoes itself. Such is the case with the Ring.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Yack-- re: prequels

    by StarWarsRedux

    TPM-- an older Anakin, I agree, could've been cool. At the same time, I understand why Lucas wanted a kid, so children in the audience had a surrogate (they didn't really need it, granted, but whatever). AOTC-- Frankly, I like the plot of that movie quite a lot as a build-up to the war. It's "The Gathering Storm" instead of "Into the Storm". But I'm a conspiracy-theory nut, so I like that kind of stuff. ROTS-- No argument, all solid. Would've been nice to see Qui-Gon, I'll admit. <p>Qui-Gon, by the way, was easily my favorite character of the Prequels, and a major reason as to why I like TPM so much. If he had ghostly appearances afterwards I think he would've felt less superfluous, but still, I really like his style.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    BLUE GIRAFFES WITH MULLETS=BETTER TITLE THAN AVATAR

    by Meadowe

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    BLUE GIRAFFES WITH MULLETS=BETTER TITLE THAN AVATAR

    by Meadowe

    At least more appropriate anyway.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Actually, the ESB version is coming out next summer for ESB's anniversary. Same author.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    im reading these posts and the similarities

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    between the two trilogy's is still the same. only difference? one is fantasy. one is fantasy/scifi. any debate about which is better is moot.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    although...

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    star wars is atleast an original story. so, george lucas wins for coming up with a story that has effected our culture since the 1970's. peter jackson... not so much.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Yack-- Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!

    by StarWarsRedux

    Do we have any evidence of her significant contributions, or is this just a personal theory? Because honestly, I've never seen anything to show her involvement as anything other than her credited position as editor. I forget, was she mentioned all that much in Rinzler's book as a contributor? Is this a case of Anna taking Dostoevsky's dictation for "The Gambler", or just people looking for another person to give credit for SW's success? I've heard the idea before, just never seen any proof.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Fuck Marica

    by lockesbrokenleg

    What the fuck did she do? Stand around? What's all this "Marcia did everything" talk. Fuck that. She's probably zoning on coke right now.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Vadakinx

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I want to hear you're idea, I won't make fun I promise.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    the really funny thing

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    is that this is an avatar article and no one is really praising or bashing avatar. the main conversation has been about star wars and lotr. seems like there is an extreme dis-interest in avatar. i thought avatar was going to change the world? well, i'm on the record as saying that Avatar will be the new Phantom Menace.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    lockes, SWRedux...

    by YackBacker

    lockes- awesome news, thanks. I guess GL will get some more of my money after all!<p> SWRedux- I think Qui Gon succeeds based on Neeson's performance. I agree, he was a high point for the prequels, but my gripe with his character is that he doesn't really have much of a purpose (Obi Wan could have done everything Qui Gon accomplished in a different version). That character deserved more.<p> And my theories on Marcia are theories for the most part. Her general absence from Lucasfilm-licensed resources is obvious, but that 4th draft of ANH really sticks out to me as the turning point. Maybe Lucas had a revelation, I don't know. It' just seems too huge of an improvement over what he was working with prior to that draft. I like conspiracy theories too...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    also, i can't rewatch lotr

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    because i am so fucking sick of watching frodo cry.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Nerd, ten years later, people are warming up to TPM

    by StarWarsRedux

    Will "Avatar" be that lucky, or will the Dr. Seuss stuff get in the way?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Just get away from all the clone wars crap and you're good

    by alienindisguise

    I'll be very surprised if we never see another Star Wars flick in our lifetimes. If Avatar's b.o. goes through the roof, I know we'll get something out of Lucas.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    so, avatar. 3-d? who cares. imax? who cares.

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    blue 10 foot tall cg cat people? blah.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    StarWarsRedux, ill take phantom menace

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    over avatar any day. dont get me wrong...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    alienindisguise, its a scam

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    avatars box office will have no effect on GL at all. we will not get star wars sequels in our lifetime. prequels? maybe.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Yack

    by StarWarsRedux

    Re: Qui-Gon: Agreed, he deserved better. Apparently, however, his absence might've had more to do with Neeson (got into a motorcycle accident during the filming of Episode II, shelving the possibility of his appearance) than Lucas (granted-- apparently he might've decided against Qui-Gon appearing in III, as it would've raised questions as to why he doesn't appear to Luke. If he had been able to appear in II, however, this probably could've been handled better). <p>Re: Marcia-- I'd believe that Lucas might've consulted with Coppola, the Hyucks, even guys like Scorsese or De Palma before her. Yes, she was his wife, but she doesn't have a track record of being anything other than a film editor, so I'm skeptical of this particular conspiracy theory. As Freud once said, sometimes a single lone-nut firing from a third-floor window of a book depository is just a single lone-nut firing from a third-floor window of a book depository. <p>And let's face it-- what probably happened is Lucas either saw "The Dam Busters" on TV one day and said "Eureka!". Either that, or he just realized the idea of the Death Star was the coolest story he had.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    A 3d sw trilogy is inevitable

    by ominus

    after all Lucas is a businessman,not an artist.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    SWRedux, re: Epsiode II and Qui Gon

    by YackBacker

    They wrote out the scene, it was going to be a Force-voice interaction. Lucas cut it for time, saying the conversation between Yoda and Obi Wan on Antilles' ship summed up the substance of the Qui Gon scene sufficiently. While that may be true, I would have rather traded the scene he kept for the one he should have filmed.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Should be "Epsiode III" not "II"

    by YackBacker

    Fuck it, from now on it's ROTS, AOTC, etc.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Yack-- true, but...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...what I'm saying is that if Neeson had been available to film for AOTC, it would've made his involvement in ROTS more or less impossible to write around. Without him in Episode II, it was easier to leave him out of Episode III. So ultimately, the real blame rests with Liam Neeson's motorcycle.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Avatar the new Phantom Menace?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    You mean meake 900 mil in it's first run and become one of the top ten highest grossing movies of all time almost beating out Star Wars?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    SWRedux, Lucas scripted the scen for Episode III

    by YackBacker

    Lucas chose to not include it while filming due to running time concerns. Lucas made, what I feel, is a bad choice.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    For the record, I think Avatar will do about as well

    by lockesbrokenleg

    as Watchmen did.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Nah, AVATAR is the next TRANSFORMERS 2

    by YackBacker

    meaning it will make $830 million in its first run and become one of the worst movies of all-time.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    What am I saying? I don't even hate on AVATAR!

    by YackBacker

    This fucking place brings out the cranky nature in all of us!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Lol, Avatar won't make 800 mil

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Most movies these days struggle to make 200 mil.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    lockes, I could not have been kidding any harder

    by YackBacker

    In all seriousness, I predict domestic box office for Avatar to be around $200 million max. More realistically, it will be $170 million.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Yack, I agree

    by StarWarsRedux

    I'm just saying that if Neeson had been in AOTC, Lucas would've essentially painted himself into a corner, and he wouldn't have been able to cut his scene out of ROTS for time reasons. Also, keeping the scene in as things are would've meant including a character that skipped an episode, which would be pretty awkward for some audiences. I really think the main reason he wasn't in ROTS is because he couldn't be in AOTC. The "running-time" is just a convenient excuse.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Well, remember the "Anakin! Anakin! Noooooooo!" line?

    by YackBacker

    Technically, AOTC did include Qui Gon. But the running time argument is very plausible- it was towards the end of the movie, when Obi Wan brings Padme to give birth to the twins. There were a lot of epilogue scenes throughout that sequence, and GL wanted to keep the momentum going. I doubt GL was looking for a convenient excuse to exclude Qui Gon- he scripted the scene with Qui Gon and Yoda with all intentions of including it.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Yes, I know, Yack.

    by StarWarsRedux

    I still feel that if Neeson were fully in AOTC (and not just recycled ADR) Lucas would've had more motivation to include him throughout ROTS. It doesn't really matter, though because we agree on the most important part-- Lucas made a mistake in not including him in Episode III, whatever the reasons were.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Neeson had to die

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He had a pivotal role, because he was Obi Wan's teacher. He is also a bridge between the two trilogies as we find out Yoda will be talking to him on Dagobah. Maybe Qui Gon's influences helped out Luke on Bespin?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    why is it, on this site that

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    how much money a movie makes is equated with how good it is?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    lockes, you could have combined prequel Qui Gona & Obi

    by YackBacker

    into a more mature Obi Wan Kenobi and it would have accomplished the same plot goals. The way GL threw in a scene at the end of ROTS about Qui Gon discovering the secret to eternal life was not solid storytelling. It was rushed exposition, which was the case for other things in the prequels. And as for Qui Gon helping out Luke on Bespin, where exactly do you think he would have helped? (I am curious what you're thinking. Personally, I think Luke had no help whatsoever, that his link with Leia was all he had to go on- no Obi or Yoda interfered with those events- so Qui Gon would be even less likely to be involved).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    My Star Wars idea..

    by vadakinX

    First, forget the expanded universe. This is based on elements created by Lucas. Some of that has ended up in EU but not in the form as was originally intended. <p> Star Wars: Prologue <p> It begins 1600 years before Episode 1 at a gathering of the greatest minds from all areas of life from science to martial arts to religion, from all over the galaxy. The galaxy is a divided place. While a few trade agreements exist that maintain fragile peace in some sectors, interstellar wars break out constantly. <p> The only thing that unites them is a phenomenon that exists in the universe, a strange "Force" that has many names and meanings across many worlds. So these great minds have gathered together to study it and over time they become the Monks of the Jedi Bendu, dedicated to the studying the pure uncorrupted Force, known as Ashla. <p> There is a faction within the Jedi Bendu though who believe that the corrupted elements, known as the Bogan, are not corrupt or dark at all, but merely part of a single complete mystery. They believe that the Force exists to serve the will of those who wield it and when their beliefs bring them into conflict with the rest of the Jedi Bendu, they leave the order behind, going to the unknown regions of space, free to study the Bogan more thoroughly. <p> 200 years later they return. Hundreds of them, corrupted by the Dark Side, leading an army that sweeps through the galaxy, destroying all in their path while the Jedi Bendu do nothing as they are peaceful in their ways and prefer to let the will of the Force guide them and avoid conflict. The Bogan followers enslave and oppress the known galaxy, ruling as Dark Lords of the Sith. <p> All of that is part of a 15 minute prologue at the beginning of the movie...if there was to be an opening crawl, it would take place after this... Nearly 400 years later, two ambassadors from the Jedi Bendu arrive on the Sith capital of Coruscant, like they have done every year for the past four centuries, in a vain effort to persuade the SIth to return to the light. <p> As a gesture to the Jedi, the Sith kill one of the ambassadors, letting the other one, a former Sith apprentice who is the only one in 400 years to seek redemption, return to the Jedi Bendu to tell them what happened. <p> The former Sith pleads with the Jedi to stand up to the Dark Lords but they refuse, believing in pacifism and negotiation. In fact the world they inhabit has remained untouched by the ravages of the Dark Side and is a paradise world. The Sith, despite their corruption, still have some respect for the wisdom of the Jedi, calling them lost brothers and so haven't sought to destroy them. <p> It's only when the High Council all start having the same dream, a nightmare of a galaxy engulfed in eternal darkness that the possibility of fighting the Sith is even considered. Eventually, the Jedi decide that the time to fight has come and they will go to war, not as Monks of the Jedi Bendu, but as Knights, fighting to save the galaxy from darkness. <p> So the story essentially follows the former Sith apprentice through the war. The Sith outnumber the Jedi and also have a slave army. So the Jedi go one world at a time, freeing a planet from the Sith and the freed slaves then choose to join the army. While this is going on, those who are still slaves begin to openly rebel upon hearing of the Jedi crusade. But there is also a parallel story about a Sith rising through the ranks to become the Dark Lord. He is Darth Bane, yes the same Darth Bane from EU but not with the same story. As the Sith fight the Jedi and find that their own slave army is beginning to turn against them, the Sith have begun fighting amongst themselves, splitting off into factions and warring with each other for control of the Sith forces. The uprising from the slaves has become so strong that the Sith have taken to using droids for battles. Droids that aren't proving to be effective. Bane realises pretty early on that the Sith cannot survive under the current climate and begins to formulate a plan to ensure the survival of the Dark Lords. <p> As far as he can see, the Jedi will win the war and the Sith will wipe each other out. So the only way to save the Sith is to kill them. Bane gathers all of the Sith Lords on a safe world and then bombs the gathering from orbit, killing all but one of the Sith. That one, the only survivor, becomes Bane's apprentice and Bane declares himself Dark Lord of the Sith and continues the war against the Jedi with droids to buy himself enough time to put his plan into motion, a plan that would see the Sith disappear into the shadows. Only 2. No more. No less. <p> Eventually, the Jedi storm Coruscant and find Bane lying dead at the SIth headquarters, a lightsaber wound in his chest having been killed by his apprentice. <p> The war ends, the galaxy is free. But there is rebuilding to be done. A galaxy, united under slavery, now stands united in hope for the future and out of the ashes of war, a Republic is formed, with the Jedi as its protectors. <p> And that's pretty much it. One movie, 2 stories. One follows the Jedi Knight who used to be a Sith Lord (he also has the vision of the Chosen One) and the other being about Bane's rise to power and the rebirth of the Sith. <p> I probably haven't done a good job explaining it, but it would be a very visceral movie, getting into the tragedy of war. There would be little things that would be nice touches such as the lightsaber being a Sith weapon that the Jedi adopt for the war. The first Dark Lord of the Sith actually having the name "Darth" and those that follow take the name in honour of him (like Caesar).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Marcia Lucas had an huge effect on the SW series..

    by conspiracy

    AFTER she left Georgie boy. But I think I've gone over that theory enough you all know it by now.</p><p>You have to admit..it explains alot, not just about the movies, but about George himself.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Just remember-it's Noted_Sage Yack_Backer.

    by Sal_Bando

    You'll also enjoy using a can opener.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    george was never a ladies man

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    that guy is never associated with women. i think he doesn't like them. but, i don't think he's gay.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Oh come on now,the most obvious idea

    by ominus

    for a new sw trilogy would be what happened to Luke,his friends and his sister,the new jedi academy and the new galactic republic long after the events of ROTJ. <p>Ofc Luke would have finally fallen to the dark side of the force,but that would not have been revealed from the start of the first movie.and u can play with that main idea.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    vadakinX, your idea is good

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    i'm just not as into a prequel that starts 1600 before episode one. but, your story makes a better 'war movie' than aotc

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    there will never be star wars sequels because

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    they will never get the original cast to return to their roles. and no geek (on this site anyway) would tolerate Lucas recasting the main characters.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I like the prequels...but....

    by vadakinX

    The Phantom Menace: Combine Episodes 1 and 2. Have Qui Gon investigate the clones on Kamino while Obi Wan goes to Naboo to negotiate with the Trade Federation. The whole movie is about trying to avoid a war. Backed by the Sith, the Trade Federation invades Naboo and Obi-Wan has to evacuate the Queen to safety. <p> They end up on Tatooine where Obi-Wan and Padme encounter a teenage slave working for a junk dealer. Anakin Skywalker is a pilot and one of the best pod racers on the planet. His mother, also a slave, is engaged to be married to Cliegg Lars but he can't afford to pay Watto's asking price to free her. <p> Anakin and Owen Lars are friends though Owen isn't too sure about his father marrying a slave which creates some tension. Obi-Wan, sensing great potential in Anakin conceives of a plan to free Anakin and Shmi and win parts to repair there ship, all while Anakin and Padme get to know each other and fall in love. <p> So Anakin wins the podrace, he and his mother are freed and Obi-Wan gets the parts he needs. When Obi-Wan wants to take Anakin away to be a Jedi though, Owen thinks it's a bad idea, that the Jedi life isn't for the likes of them and that Anakin should stay on Tatooine and take care of his mother. <p> Anakin of course goes with Obi-Wan. On Coruscant, Anakin undergoes an initial trial but there is much anger in him and he is refused training. Meanwhile, when Padme puts her case against the Trade Federation before the Senate, a third of the Senate sides with the Federation and walks out. The Chancellor is assassinated and Palpatine is quickly elected in the hope that he can prevent a full scale war. <p> Obi-Wan tells the Council that he is confident he can train Anakin and will do so without their blessing if he has to but the Jedi remind him that there are more important things going on right now, so he and Anakin travel with the Queen to Naboo as she attempts to retake the planet with the help of the amphibious race of Gungans. <p> Meanwhile, Qui Gon discovers that the clone army on Kamino was created to protect the Republic by a Jedi Master a decade earlier. He finds the whole thing a bit too convenient but desperate times call for desperate measures. <p> So the battle of Naboo happens much the way it does in the actual film in terms of the plan to retake the planet. However the Gungans are slaughtered and the Naboo fighters are being shot out of the sky. When all hope seems lost, Qui-Gon arrives with the Clones to save the day, while Anakin jumps into a Naboo fighter and flies onto space to help the pilots (no accident or auto-pilot). Qui Gon and Obi Wan join Padme in the hunt for the Viceroy but are intercepted by Darth Maul. <p> So it goes as you would expect. The Clones help the Gungans, Padme catches the Viceroy, Anakin blows up the droid control ship, Qui Gon dies and Obi Wan kills Maul. <p> In the aftermath, the Separatist movement makes a declaration of war and Count Dooku resigns from the Jedi Council, not wanting to be part of a Jedi Army. Instead he hopes to negotiate with the Separatists. Obi-Wan takes Anakin on as his apprentice and Anakin and Padme share a secret kiss as the Clone Wars begin... <p> Attack Of The Clones: This would be a straight up Clone War movie dealing with Dooku falling under the spell of the Sith, the struggles of maintaining a secret and forbidden relationship in a time of war and Anakins struggles to control his emotions. The material with his mothers death would be included and the film would end with Anakin and Padme being married as Dooku and Sidious begin planning construction of the Death Star. <p> Revenge of the Sith: Much the same as it is right now though Obi-Wan would try and fail to pull Anakin back from the Dark Side. And Padme would die from her injuries, not a broken heart.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Lucasfilm is old hat

    by MattHooper

    Any exciting rumor mill news about literally "anything" exciting associated with Lucasfilm, is always going to be false. That company is officially nothing more than a direct-to-cable and direct-to-video prod. company. Which is EXACTLY what should have happened to the last Indiana Jones movie.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Old cast is not a problem

    by ominus

    ILM will cgi them.in 3D.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Why not make a new trilogy?

    by Baryonyx

    If they're actually good, maybe we'll forget the last three shit ones.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Actually...

    by Baryonyx

    ...what I meant to say was: maybe we'll forget about the last four shit ones, because Return of the Jedi was pretty dire too.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Melody Hobson is Proof the Goiter isn't Homo...

    by conspiracy

    but his entire attitude towards life changed after Marcia fucked him hard. It became a manchild, his movies got sillier, more childish, he became even more of a recluse. And he HATES his own creations and the fans...he blames them for the MArcia situation.</p><p>Although he should thank us...if not for us making Star Wars huge...they'd never have driven a wedge between Marica and him...and he wouldn't now be fucking nightly that adorable babe, 27 years his junior, and her delicious, mamalicious Chocolate Mountains.</p><p>In Fact...YOU OWE US GEORGE..if you weren't rich beyond belief, and famous, that chick would never willingly let you mount her.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT SEXUAL

    by BringingSexyBack

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Brevity

    by gotilk

    Must be a busy woman.<br><br> Dear Mr Lucas:<br> My friends and I were wondering if Qui Gon Jinn is getting his own TV series. He says he knows for sure and I said he's totally full of junk.<br> Yours, Milhouse.<br> <br> Hi Milhouse:<br> <br> Lucasfilm is not working on a Qui Gonn Jinn TV series. <br> (clicks on e-mail number 1000 for the day)*sigh* <br> <br> Dear MediaMessiah: .....

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    when or if gl makes episodes 7-8-9

    by Meadowe

    He'll take back all he ever said that he only ever planned six episodes and say he originally planned x amount of episodes.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Shia as Han

    by Spazatronik2000

    problem solved

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    dailysportspages

    by THEDARKKNIGHTDETECTIVE

    Thats the same trilogy sequel I envisioned and want before the main three are too old. They dont even need to be the stars of the movies. Luke, Han and Leia at support and mentor roles would be awesome.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Ben said he couldn't help Luke on Bespin

    by lockesbrokenleg

    But there was an indication that Qui Gon's spirit could be anywhere. Yoda sensed him in his quarters in Episode II. Perhaps Qui Gon was also keeping an eye on Luke, and possibly helping him? I know it's a long shot, but hey.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    EPISODE IX: ATTACK OF THE YOUNG REBEL WHIPPERSNAPPERS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Old Luke: "Get off my sand lawn!!" <P> *Uses Force to throw kids off property*

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    by 5 by 5

    Luke: There is still good in those movies... I've felt it. Ben: They're more CG, now, than movie... twisted and evil.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't mind seeing the podrace in 3d

    by AJD_1

    Could look great!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah, maybe lockes...

    by YackBacker

    But I'm a fan of keeping shit simple. Back in 1980, there was no Qui Gon Jinn. I like that Luke had to face his greatest foe alone, and that only at his lowest point was he able to reach out to his sister for help. Qui Gon being involved is retconning a perfectly good ESB.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Jettl93, did you pioneer the 3D they are using?

    by BillboeFett

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I have it on good authority that JettL..

    by conspiracy

    Wrote the code for the computers that split the images for the new 3D projectors. In fact, the way I heard it, Spielberg is a primary source of funding for this new system, and since Jett was ghost writing the script for Jurassic Park 4 and hanging around Amblin anyway; Steven, knowing how proficient Jett is at punching advanced code, asked if he could whip something up on those weekends he wasn't working his second job hashing out the next Batman with Nolan.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Baryonyx

    by NoHubris

    Why the heck not? I'll always give him his due for "4,5 and 6" despite the disappointment of "1 & 2."<p>Dude appears to have learned his lesson by ROTS. I'm also one who believes LOTR led him to the light. IMO ROTS -- tonally and to a lesser extent via certain dialogue and acting styles -- had become LOTR-esque such as the Anakin/Obiwan exchanges at the lava river.<p>GL seemed to be on the path to getting his groove back in ROTS so imho it's likely that in "7,8, and 9" we could see him back to form (and of course that would mean avoiding prior casting mistakes).

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    In SW there were 3 main guys

    by Star Hump

    There was Luke's father, Obi Wan, and Darth Vader, who was Obi Wan's apprentice. Three guys. It's all right there in the scene where Ben shows Luke the lightsaber for the first time.<p> This was destroyed when it was decided to make Vader Luke's father in ESB, casting Obi Wan as a full-out liar.<p>

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Spazatronik2000 & THEDARKKNIGHTDETECTIVE

    by NoHubris

    If it's not a young Han story, but old Han as mentor, Shia would be a smart choice (and a very commercial one too) as a young Han type or even as the new, rising star Jedi.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Star Hump, ben was lying to luke

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    thats the whole point. thats why ben makes that face when he tells luke that vader killed lukes father.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Star Wars VIII: The Emperor Strikes Back

    by dailysportspages

    As he died Darth Sidious was able to cast one last spell... to concentrate his force power into the first child to be born right at the moment of his death. <br> The boy grows up with the malevolent spirit of Darth Sidious within him. <br> And then Luke kills him.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    JettL93?

    by Centryeagle

    Ok, I know JettL93 is the young dude in the temple scene but........... what does he have to do with scripts and such?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Right, so let me get this straight...

    by moody by nature

    We're hating on Avatar, and loving on The Phantom Menace now? Cool, thanks, just so I know what to think.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    MonkeyManReturns

    by Centryeagle

    Read my post properly before replyin! Its ONLINE people like you I am referring to, not people I actually met in real.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    yes Nerd Rage

    by Star Hump

    and therein the problem lies. That makes the noble old Jedi Knight of the first film, and the honorable Jedi general of the prequels a LYING PIECE OF SHIT. It goes against everything a good guy is supposed to stand for. It's terrible characterization. It's terrible writing. It ruins the very notion of Obi Wan Kenobi.<p> Eh, it's no biggie. All water under the bridge at this point. It just illustrates just how shoddily written all the SW films are, and further proves that Lucas was making up this shit as he went along. It's sad.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    BWAHAHAHA

    by Centryeagle

    Come on, guys, give Avatar a chance.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    No Moody...some of us are hating on everything..

    by conspiracy

    if only because it is so much more fun than group hugs.</p><p>Can't wait to see the Big Blue smurfs on screen; if it isn't an eyeball raping orgy of goodness the blue hued funfur will fucking fly

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    by 5 by 5

    Luke: There is still good in those movies... I've felt it. <p><b> Ben: They're more 3D-CG, now, than movie... twisted and evil.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    New Trilogy

    by Centryeagle

    Again, I say I want a all new story and characters etc etc. But making a older Han and Chewie movie, that I am all in for it too!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Hoping that a proven

    by moody by nature

    Director will have a chance to give us something new whether it's a failure or not is issuing group hugs? Good luck with that hating on everything thing conspiracy, let me know how that one works out.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Smurfs

    by Centryeagle

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, fuckin CGI Smurfs!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    A new attempt that might fail

    by moody by nature

    is better than tired old shit. Besides, the fucks wrong with smurfs? Or Thundercats for that matter...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Don't forget about Jar Jar

    by Spazatronik2000

    There has to be a Gungan co-star or it's a no-go for me.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Thundercats are fine, Especially Cheetara

    by conspiracy

    And I agree that a good attempt is better than a tired old FAIL.</p><p>But there is not a fucking thing good about the Smurfs. That fucking cartoon help create a generation of verbally challenged retards and simpletons that think one Smurfette can service an entire village of Smurfs. It was the Teletubbies of the 1980s.</p><p>I'll never forget last year, I was interviewing some 30something for a counter positions...the dude looks at me and said; "So may I ask, when you smurfed my Smurfume was it smurfy?" I told that fucker to take his Smurfy ass down to Wal-Smurf.</p><p>Fuck Peyo and the Croissant he rode in on.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Haters

    by Centryeagle

    If let's say Lucas did redo the prequels, add even more CGI, add more scenes that were cut, add another hour long of storyline. AND if it turned out fantastic and whidely accept. IF I say. Than haters here or anywhere will still go watch it and than post hate remarks. They are probably Trekkies!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Thundercats

    by Centryeagle

    I do like the Thundercats until they changed the artist/artistes! See the first few episodes and later ones, drastic differences. As for Smurts, I do not like them as much as Teletubbies. Teletubbies is totally another level. They are scarier than Aliens and Paris Hilton combined!

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    maybe a different ethnic race of Gungans

    by Spazatronik2000

    would be cool. Blue Gungans ftw.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    yeah guys

    by moody by nature

    look I fucking love the old school Star wars, even bits and pieces of the prequels (there's no denying a lotta love and artist's blood, sweat and tears went into most of the concept designs) but I just hope Avatar does well because mainly I wanna see the studios take chances on a few more risky scifi ventures. Rama, The Stars My Destination, or Forever War. Even Cameron moving on to Battle Angel Alita.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    SW live tv

    by Centryeagle

    Anyway, what we all said here usually stays here. I doubt anyone at Lucasfilm would come and read what was written. We can even give constructive criticism and we can all yell/petition with 250 million signations saying we want more SW movies, it will go to deaf ears and Lucasfulm might just give me another Howard The Duck instead. Anyway, for live TV. If anyone in this website got hired, do inform us the going-ons, eh?

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    nah

    by moody by nature

    they're shooting Game of Thrones near me, but that's about it. It's all been very quiet online regarding the live series.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Fo Sho

    by Spazatronik2000

    wtb more sci-fi. How about a Battlefield Earth sequel? I'm still waiting for the Chronicles of Riddick sequel. No, seriously. A Peter Jackson helmed sci-fi flick would be epic. Fuck Halo, he's capable of something so much cooler.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    so, wtf IS Lucasfilm working on?

    by Spazatronik2000

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Can You SMELL the Flop Sweat?

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    They know AVATAR is box-office doom waiting to happen. They know it's dead on arrival. Nobody wants to see JAMES CAMERON'S GAYLIENS aka JAMES CAMERON'S LAZER CATS. "Ok, Jim - but this better not be about cats with lasers." "Oh, it's not - it's gonna be huge!"

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah, what are the odds AVATAR gets moved to the Summer?

    by YackBacker

    It's not likely, but I wonder if they're thinking of moving it back...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Maybe if it turns out to be good *gasp*

    by Spazatronik2000

    there will be good word of mouth and it will do o.k.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Honestly ...

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    I'm thinking a $20-30m opening followed by a 70 percent drop. THAT bad. I'm hearing rumors of $75m but I'm thinking no WAY is it going to do better than $50m.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    It will make around $200 million

    by YackBacker

    Probably open around $50-70 million. Unless cats are fucking each other in the ass onscreen, it will make some decent coin. I mean people kept going back to see TRANSFORMERS 2, so a movie being shit is not going to keep people away. But there is a chance it could be a colossal failure too...

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    ThusSpakeSpymunk

    by argos_and_the_laminated_book_of_dreams

    Shit man you're right. I heard rumors from the same guys that The Hobbit only makes $120m, and that Jurassic Park 4 kicks ass with a whopping $400m. I was gutted about the rumors of Suri Cruise headlining in Mission Impossible 17 in 2039 but the film only making $60... Fucking retard. Tell you what - go shove that crystal ball of yours up your asshole, then tell me what you predict in the future.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Star Wars deserves better

    by Alvi_Singer

    The prequels are painful to watch -such a great opportunity wasted. I live in hope that Lucas will see the light and hand over the responsibility to another passionate director and screenwriter. Imagine the announcement of Episodes 7-9, directed by Guilermo Del Toro, Peter Jackson or James Cameron... George can exec produce, but give the writing to someone else. I live in hope...

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Tusken Raider strong w/ the force?

    by Annie The Pod Racer

    Will they try to socialize a Sandperson? So strong in the force, they take him to the temple & try to convert him to have table manners. I know, sounds like Greystoke, but it's a start. MORE POD RACING!

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    predictions

    by corplhicks

    Avatar - visually compelling, empty "i don't care about these characters" story. will make $ 100,000,000 in USA and 75,000,000 outside USA. 2012-- $ 250,000,000 The Hobbit -- $ 350,000,000 Eps 7,8,9 -- $300,000,000 $ 250,000,000 $ 350,000,000 If transformers 2-- a terrible movie from beginning to end made a mint, anything is possible. If Shia says "Go go go !!!" again, I'm gonna puke Fact is, despite the bitching, SW is a multibillion dollar entity and most of the civilized world is Lucas' bitch and has been for 30 years. We will fork over whatever a ticket costs to see more SW, no doubt. It is easy to renew the Sith-- there are apparently lotsof force sensitive people in the Universe-- a few of them must be greedy, evil mother fuckers who flunk out of Jedi School, read secret Sith literature, etc.. and self train-- who knows maybe they find some krystal somewhere with helps augment training and knowledge of the Force. This growing threat, PLUS a brilliant Imperial Remnant General who has 10,000 Star Destroyers at his disposal after the battle of Endor sounds like a movie !!!!!!!

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    vadakinX like your pre-prequel idea, not a fan of your prequel i

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    But what I do agree with is that a) the first prequel movie should have been an older Anakin, b) the second movie should have been 100% about the clone wars. <p> What we definetely didn't need to see was that pod race. <p> Darth Maul should have been the apprentice that Anakin killed at the end of the second one, we didn't need another old Sith. We needed to see more Clone wars action. We needed to see more Darth Vader and order 66 in the Third. <p> We really should move on, its done, it won't be fixed, but its hard when you care about something and saw such amazing potential. <p>

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    further to my last post

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Qui Gon was one of the better characters created for the prequels and wanted to see more of him. Not sure if it was the script or the acting or both but Neeson was much better than Samuel L Jackson. <p> Would have liked to seen him till at least the second one. Obi-Wan's old master and close friend of Anakin, killed by Maul, driving Anakin's hate for Maul much more and Maul being the one decapitated by Anakin. <p> Qui Gon being not as straight down the line as Obi Wan, providing a different type of Jedi, not a renegade but certainly someone that questioned things much more. <p>

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    further beating of a dead horse

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    The third one needed more of what the last 20 minutes or so provided. <p> Obi Wan, maybe a couple of other Jedi, some young rebel leaders, Padme and the droids on the run. Darth Vader etc hunting, that sense of adventure, that we got from the OT.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Samuel L. Jackson sucked

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I don't know why Lucas caved in and had him in the movie. HE should have been a Sith, and not a Jedi. Give him Dooku's part.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    New Avatar Trailer

    by drturing

    is amazing. It's the story, stupid.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Maybe I can start to get AsimovLives

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    When I think about my passion for Star Wars, I don't think I will ever truly get him, and I hope my post count doesn't hit the milliom mark on the same topic, but when you do care about something you will go on a bit.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Scoundrels: The Movie

    by vadakinX

    Rather than a whole new sequel trilogy, if there were to be any movies set after ROTJ, I'd like to see one about Han going on a mission for the Republic, hooking up with some old smuggler buddies and bringing Lando and Chewie along for the ride...and no Chewie didn't fucking die. EU doesn't count.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 1:35 a.m. CST

    The sad thing is that John Williams will be dead before eps 7,8

    by SonicRiver

    If you thought the prequels were bad, wait until you see the sequels scored by Danny Elfman.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    SonicRiver

    by lockesbrokenleg

    No that's the good thing. Maybe we'll get some decent music. After his yelling chorus music in TPM, and ROTS, I got a little tired of him. A New Hope never had huge choirs.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 2:21 a.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by SonicRiver

    Are you serious? As bad as TPM was, it would have been much worse without the duel of the fates. Don't get me wrong, I like the simple four piece scores as much as the next guy, but star wars requires grand music that is well written. Without good music, the films fail epically. Clone Wars is a notable example.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    SonicRiver

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yes, but SW didn't use choirs until Jedi. ESB didn't even have a choir. Williams was able to come up with a few new themes for each movie of the OT. While the PT, he just reused old scores, and came up with one or two new themes. It sucked sitting in the theater during AOTC and hearing tracked music from TPM towards the end.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Damn. You have destroyed AOTC for me.

    by SonicRiver

    So you were sitting in the theater watching AOTC, and the only thing which annoyed you was hearing the choir based DOTF track. Should I take it then that you liked across the stars and the whole contrived out of place love scene with Anakin and the princess?

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    SonicRiver

    by DocPazuzu

    Williams had already died in Crystal Skull.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST

    "Unlike ANH and ROTJ, ESB still looks like it was filmed last ye

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Nailed that sucka on the head. How much does photography matter in movies, SW looks a bit pedestrian looking, ROTJ (which i LIKE) has this grimy look to it, but Empire does look timelessly shot, truly incredible.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Avatar will be massive

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You silly monkeys.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4 a.m. CST

    I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Fucking HILARIOUS moment there of Anakin passing a raging deuce and taking it out on his trimmed-logger beard master.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST

    I demand a Phantom Menace spin-off

    by Spazatronik2000

    With blue Gungans in 3d. It could be about the Empire invading a Gungan inhabitted planet to collect fuel for a new death star. But a loner stormtrooper has a gay love affair with Har Har the Gungan hair stylist and switches sides. Directed by Ang Lee. That would easily make 400 mil.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST

    I'm more into Trek than Star Wars nowadays

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    So i don't give a shit about any of this anymore. As a kid i was always into SW, thought Trek was boring. Now though in my 20s i'm appreciating Trek more for its meaty storylines and chemistry between leads when i now care less about effects. Kirk, Spock, McCoy>>>>>>Luke, Han, Leia.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Predictions??

    by TurdontheRun

    "Avatar - visually compelling, empty "i don't care about these characters" story. will make $ 100,000,000 in USA and 75,000,000 outside USA."<p>empty, don't care about the characters story? Haven't you ever see any of Cameron's movies before, dimwit? And you have the brass balls to call yourself Cpl. hicks - you know, a memorable character from one of his previous. Anyone who thinks Avatar will only gross 100 million domestic is in for a rude surprise. But by all means, why don't you place a bet on it down at your local gambling den; you're sure to win big money.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    TurdontheRun

    by SonicRiver

    Do you have any idea how hard it is to continue to succeed in the movie business? Cameron only has to make the slightest of mistakes, and it won't make $100,000,000 million domestic. Fuck ups happen.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    I meant

    by SonicRiver

    $100,000,000 dollars, not $100,000,000 million dollars...

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 5 a.m. CST

    Sonic River

    by TurdontheRun

    By the evidence of that second trailer, he hasn't put a foot wrong.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Still no Soupy Sales talkback

    by ricarleite2

    No one here knows who he was

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    Could someone tell me: is the CLONE WARS series any good?

    by Mr Gorilla

    I'd love to know. And, just to throw in my sixpence, AVATAR is intriguing because while ALIENS and the TERMINATOR films are classics, TITANIC looks a bit cranky these days, and TRUE LIES is downright shit. Yet Cameron did produce Soderberg's SOLARIS, so he must still know where it's at. In other words, it still COULD be great.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Brilliant dumb quote of the day

    by Mr Gorilla

    I've just seen Louis Leterrier say, in Empire magazine (he's talking about Marvel movie development): 'I've seen some of the design work they're doing for CAPTAIN AMERICA and it looks amazing. Like RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK with more gadgets.' That remark is exquisitely dumb because one of the key points about Indy is that doesn't have any gadgets, unlike, say Bond. So you can't have 'more' of something you don't have. It's like saying, 'It's like Russ Meyer with more corsets'. 'It's like LITTLE WOMEN with more ass-fucking'. FUCK! Is this the end of the world for the English language? Are we going to put up with idiots spouting actual nonsense to try to get us interested in films that aren't even filming yet, let alone available to see. DAMN!

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by vadakinX

    Clone Wars is pretty good. It started off a bit slow (the movie wasn't up to much) but as its gone on it's grown up a bit. If you were to compare it to the live action films, Season 1 was a bit "A New Hope" and Season 2 is a bit more like "Empire." <p> There are some childish moments but it kinda reminds me of the Batman Animated Series. It's not as good, but it's certainly one of the better animated shows in recent years.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Thanks Vada

    by Mr Gorilla

    Do I have to see the film, or can I go straight to the series?

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Avatar will end up being nothing

    by Drsambeckett1984

    In the grand scheme of things, it could have the best SF/Fantasy story in history, or the most amazing 3D SFX of all time, but in the end it will always pale in comparrison to the great Star Wars. Simples

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla, The Clone Wars will make you like SW again.

    by ganymede3010

    After the Prequels I gave up on this franchise. Until I started to watch the Clone Wars.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    CLONE WARS is fun

    by YackBacker

    Definitely a quality the prequels lacked. Jar Jar stepping in "icky poo" is not fun. Sorry.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    chalk up another Clone Wars fan...

    by just pillow talk

    Though I only catch it now and again, it's infinitely better than the prequels, especially the first two. It's probably got a thousand times more depth in the characters than the movies. Fucking sad, if you think about it.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    "it's infinitely better than the prequels"

    by Lost Jarv

    Being ass fisted by an angry giant holding a fistful of nails is better than the Prequels. <P> AsimovLives explained what it feels like, and he's the expert.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    vadakinX, that's really not too bad

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I still feel that the biggest problem with the prequels was that Lucas felt compelled to have Anakin's arc mirror Luke's--in the first of their respective chapters, they both improbably save the day...in the 2nd, they both are becoming more powerful, but they're still headstrong and wind up losing their hands to a lightsaber, etc. There was no need for it. If he'd decided to just the prequels be their own movies instead of trying to follow the OT almost beat-by-beat, they would've been so much better. Unfortunately, Lucas isn't enough of a writer to realize that. He got obsessed with being clever at the expense of making good movies, which is a shame. Ah well.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Well, think about this...

    by Triple_J_72

    Do you really want to see RED AND BLUE versions of your favorite movies on the big screen? Seriously. Come on.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the facial expressions each character has in CLONE WARS

    by YackBacker

    All 4 types of faces (happy, sad, angry and calm) all surpass the acting of Christensen and Portman in the prequels. Amazing but true!

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    ANH looks far better than Empire

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Empire has dark lighting on EVERY set. You can't appreciate the detail of the sets like you can in ANH. Look at Cloud City for example. It's all WHITE. Not much detail. They even had to add detail to it in the SE.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    VadakinX

    by Drsambeckett1984

    It's not bad at all. I think a raw and visceral story about Jedi and sith is the way to go. But I worry about more prequels. Maybe they should go into the future, beyond luke and leia, I will have a quick think and post my idea later. Be kind.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Drsambeckett1984

    by lockesbrokenleg

    There's a comic series that goes 209 years after Jedi, and Luke shows up as a Force Ghost. But, it's the same story, basically.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah I know. Legacy.

    by Drsambeckett1984

    It's fantastic. But I'm talking further than that, when the skywalker name has been forgotten, when the galaxy is truly at peace with itself. Hundreds of years later.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Here goes

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Star Wars Episode VII <P> The Gathering Storm <P> Seven hundred years have passed since Luke Skywalker defeated Emperor Palpatine, the galaxy has gone through many difficult trials before settling down into an era of peace and tranquillity. Now, in the unknown regions of space, a forgotten horror of the ages is racing through the darkness. <P> The Galactic Alliance have discovered an abandoned armada, ancient ships of war, and there is a survivor. A Jedi Knight, Allon, who makes claims of this horror fast approaching, his connection to it, but the team who found him question his sanity. The Jedi are still the peacekeepers of the galaxy, but this is a more relaxed role due to stability of peace. This lone survivor throws the Order into chaos by making startling revelations about the past, he paints the Jedi as villains, this seems unbelievable to the current Jedi, although much of their history has been lost. Including all tales of the Sith. <P> Allon promises to lead the Jedi to the truth behind their lineage, taking a group to a planet smothered in The Dark Side, Allon kills the Jedi and reveals himself to be Sith. He draws on the power of the planet, searching for an apprentice, luring her to him. <P> His intended apprentice is a young woman called Cally, she lives with her family aboard their ship as they trade goods with various planets. Her brother has some latent talent with the force, Cally claims to have none at all, in actual fact she is incredibly powerful and hides her increasing abilities. The Jedi learn of Allon’s betrayal and dispatch two Knights Kerrin and Xix to find Cally. <P> Allon uses his immense dark side power to resurrect a slaughtered army to man the armada and launches a vengeful attack on the Galactic Alliance, who have no such firepower to defend against such a cruel attack. Allon’s fleet are bearing down on Coruscant, with only the Jedi mounting a defence, Cally and her family answer a distress call on the edge of the star system, they pick up the two jedi sent to find her. They try to escape and head for New Alderran, but it isn’t long before Allon discovers them and traps the ship. <P> He offers Cally a choice, Join him or he will kill her family. With no other option, Cally goes with the Dark Lord, they disappear into hyperspace. But Allon has lied and has his fleet destroy Coruscant, and fires on her family’s ship. Xix is killed, as are her mother and father. Her brother is nowhere to be found. Kerrin vows to find her, taking a small starfighter and heading off in search of the fleet. <P> The End. <P> The first half sets up the new era, showing the Jedi to be much weaker than anything we have seen before. Everything has changed because of the lasting peace, and the oncoming threat simply walks over them. There are more characters but I just wanted to give an overview. There is a love story between Kerrin and Cally, the animosity between Cally and her brother, and the hidden secrets of Allon. Huge space battles, alien worlds, dangerous creatures, and interesting characters. Cally is very much the Han Solo character. The next film focuses on her descent into darkness, and Kerrin trying to find her. While the last part would be her redemption upon finding her brother is still alive, and trying to rid the galaxy of Allon forver.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    dark crystal 2 looks good

    by Nerd_Rage_Retard_Strength

    oh, oops. that was the new avatar trailer. lame.

  • Oct. 23, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Re: Lost Jarv

    by Rendell

    "Being ass fisted by an angry giant holding a fistful of nails is better than the Prequels."<p>Listen I may have issues with certain movies but even in the worst of them I would not willingly submit to the Giant Ass Fister® in lieu of watching them!

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 2:44 a.m. CST

    The Power of the Force

    by sanzaru

    I'm with vadakin and Pilgrim on the idea of some ancient Jedi history films. Journal of the Whills type stuff, mystic and expansive at the onset but grounded in the dusty, organic style of A New Hope. The idea of the Force is what always made the original films seem so powerful to me (here I echo Media Messiah), and yet this is the one aspect that seems to be so lacking in the most recent iterations of the SW universe. Nowadays, with a few exceptions, "using the force" is treated like a magic trick, basically effortless. Gone are the brutal, Kung Fu-like training sessions like we glimpsed in ESB, and instead we get Jedi who act like politicians and UN ambassadors a good chunk of the time. The spiritual core of these films has gone out of focus. Anyway, I've always thought Lucas would do well to go back to the source with Kurosawa, treating the Jedi as Supernatural Samurai (and making their training the main focus of the story, with holy wars instead of clone wars)- the "Seven Samurai" structure would work well to set up an origin story for a new universe of Jedi knights. Hear me out: a small outpost planet is being terrorized by a roving band of dark sorcerer-warriors (primitive sith) for their spice mines or whatever. An imbalance in the Force has granted them unholy powers over the earth and men. Facing destruction or starvation or perhaps following such a tragedy, the colony must band together to set up a future defense. Sensing the dark power they are up against, a tribal elder who still knows some of the "Old Ways" directs the youths to the wastelands or the mountains, where strange, mystic Jedi of old are said to roam, harnessing the power of the force in crystals and mental arts... you can see where this is all leading. The old men of the mountains are slow to persuade, but eventually the wheels of fate are set in motion and a ragtag army begins training in the Way of the Jedi. Witness: the creation of lightsabers! Thrill: arcane rites! Jedi initiations! Awe: kickass, gravity-defying proto-Jedi battles! With a good ensemble, the story could explore all sorts of different angles on the Power of the Force, breathing new life into the franchise (imagine a rescue mission sequel: "Saving Private Ryan" with Jedi...jk). I'm not a screenwriter, obviously, but I think it could work out pretty well. Anakin Skywalker got his redemption. Through highs and lows of execution and characterization, that story has been told. Now Lucas can redeem and refocus his whole series and further shine his legacy for a new generation by...going back to the Force!

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Pumped

    by bobbofatz

    Come on. A new trilogy in the SW universe with new directors. It could be frickin awesome. Maybe wash away the bad taste in the mouth. I am not a huge hater of the prequels, but it would be cool to "end" the saga on an epic note! GL has never been a villain to me, because he always said his story was mostly aimed at kids. done and done

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    How about...

    by bobbofatz

    The new Jedis visit earth and teach us how to control global warming through a force aka carbon taxes. The head knight is Obamakin taxgouger.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Seven Jedi

    by vadakinX

    There is a fan film in production in Hawaii based on Seven Samurai called "Seven Jedi" and it's shaping up well. <p> In terms of my concept for "Star Wars: Prologue" well I'd actually go a bit light on the technology. It would be set a millennium before the main saga, so while there would be interstellar travel and all that, it wouldn't be entirely futuristic. <p> For example, no star fighters capable of entering and exiting the atmosphere of a planet. You would have different fighter craft for different battles. Laser weapons would be around but projectile (bullets) weapons would be just as common. <p> The lightsaber would actually be a Sith weapon that the Jedi adopt during the war because the Jedi, being peaceful up until the war, would have seen no need for such weapons. <p> You would have dropships to carry troops and vehicles to the battle field. The big command ships (star destroyer type ships but smaller) wouldn't be able to enter the atmosphere or take off from a planet. <p> Battle droids would be a new innovation at the time of the "Force War" between the Jedi and the ruling Sith. <p> Not only would it tell the story of who the Jedi and Sith are and how the Republic was formed, but it would explain why the SIth want revenge and Darth Bane's motivation for creating the rule of 2 (putting aside the EU version which has him finding a holocron from Darth Revan). <p> I know that some people were comparing Wars to Lord of the Rings. Well if the saga is the Hobbit/Lord of the Rings, my idea would be The Silmarillion, telling the origins of the whole thing. <p> And it wouldn't be a trilogy. It would be a single 3 hour film that follows a Jedi and a Sith along two separate paths, showing their experiences of the war.

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by sanzaru

    Thanks for the "Seven Jedi" tip! Glad to know I'm not the only person who thinks it would be a cool idea. I'm on the same page with you re: everything being fairly low-tech. One thing that always kind of bugged me was how pristine and synthetic everything looked in the prequels vs. the original trilogy (I know it's been explained over and over again, but this is something even my nephews asked about). It's weird, but the Jedi could almost serve the same function as the ewoks here (but with infinitely better fighting skillz): crazy, primitive warrior monks using nothing but the most basic technologies to topple their mechanically-debased oppressors. Get some Tony Jaa in there and augment his already stellar abilities with a few nicely-timed force throws, you know? I love the idea of an epic, extended-length film too, but even as a miniseries it would be pretty darn satisfying. Maybe somebody from Lucasfilm will get on here and make it so? (Hire me, guys!)

  • Oct. 24, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Bottomline: Yes or No?

    by Centryeagle

    As title asked, is Lucas making new trilogy or not? But if the silence continues from them, it could be good news.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Video denial by Lucasfilm Head of Fan Relations Steve Sansweet

    by EricShirey

    You can see it at http://www.moviegeekfeed.com/2009/10/want-to-hear-official-answer-to-those.html.

  • Oct. 26, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Fuck Steve Sansweet

    by YackBacker

    Seriously, that guy sucks an intense amount of cock.

  • Oct. 27, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Steve Sansweet

    by TakingScorpiosCalls

    Is that the guy who wrote a couple star wars books like that encyclopedia? If so then being hired as the "fans relations" head for Lucasfilm has got to be the lamest job ever. "OoOoOoh my life is to make cute videos to debunk every fuck-rumor and pass it on to our beloved fanbase, then as i'm slathering on Lucas's cock i tell him the report of the day."

  • Dec. 22, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I can do without more Star Wars films

    by HagCeli

    as long as Cameron makes more AVATAR movies.

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