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Joss Whedon Explains
Why He’s Directing A GLEE!!

I am – Hercules!! Well, here’s one way to go from a 1.0 to a 3.3! “Dollhouse” creator Joss Whedon has found a way for Fox to put his work on outside the its Friday Death Slot. Whedon posts in, a site that makes my column look like a fiery plume of Whedon-hate:
Hey kids and parents of kids and super-old, like ancestor-old-but-not-dead-yet-type people, just poking my oversized head in to say that the rumors are true... unless something very odd happens in the next few months, I will have the privilege of shooting an episode of GLEE. Why GLEE? Because I love cops, serial killers and gritty urban drama (I haven't seen the show yet). Why me? Because they're struggling and can't afford real directors. And to head off a few queries: No, this doesn't mean Dollhouse definitely won't get a back nine. Our numbers mean that! But I kid. Okay, we're not exactly saving all the good stuff for 14-22, but nobody's closed the door. If D'House suddenly busts wide, huzzah, we'll still bring it, and I'll still go and direct an episode of Glee, because of my love of cops. These realities can co-exist. And possibly cross over, at least in fiction that I have wri - read. About. What can we expect from a 'Joss Whedon' epsiode of Glee? An episode of Glee. God willin' and the crik don't rise, a good one. A television director's job is, on some level, to be anonymous; to find the most compelling way to present a story without calling attention to himself. I had a wonderful time doing just that on The Office, and hope to again. A guest director can bring a huge amount to the party (we've had CRAZY talent on Dollhouse), but the party isn't his. I just want to work with good people on a show that I like enough to have watched every episode several times. (I lied: I HAVE watched the show. And seriously, when do the cops show up?) Whom will I kill? When will that go away? Is death really the only thing I'm known for? I'd hope not. You know how many people in the world actually die? ALL OF THEM. You know how many I've killed? Statistically, somewhat fewer. Can't we focus on another element of my work? Having said that, probably Principal Figgins. (No! I kid! God.) Anyway, I hope that clears things up. I'm going to do my best, and more importantly, I'm going to do my best not to gush like a fanboy for eight straight days on set. Don't worry. I practiced with Bamber. I'm a pro. Happy Monday. Especially for me. -j. joss | October 19, 23:15 CET
For those curious, CET is Central European Time. Whedonesque uses CET, as we all know, because Whedon lives in Albania.
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  • Oct. 19, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by saintsaucey

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST


    by saintsaucey

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Zardoz

    So cool!

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Yay to the first oops to the double post.

    by saintsaucey

    And yay to Joss directing glee. I'll comment more once I have read the article but I want give thanks to everyone who got me this first not the least of which was my shinny white keds.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Joss brings the funny

    by saintsaucey

    In that letter. I don't want D'House to fail but I am glad to see him direct an episode of Glee. Great stuff.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Cause Glee is gay and he's a homo. duh

    by MacReady452

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I've read "Under The Dome"...

    by Zardoz

    I just finished all 1,067 pages of the advance copy I got. It's pretty good. A lot of your typical Stephen King stuff, psychic trauma, random violence, and small town hicks doing stupid things in a crisis situation. The really good stuff: the set-up, which starts with a bang, literally, by page 3. The not-so-good stuff: the really hard to suspend-your-disbelief 2nd act. And the ending was kind of anti-climactic due to all of the foreshadowing in the previous 900 pages, but ultimately still satisfying. King is still a master with certain "turns of phrase", and several bits had me ROTFLMAO. But, like I said before, several plot-turns left me very frustrated, as they just didn't seem true or believable. That said, it's a good story, it could just be about 500 pages shorter...

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

    Send it to me when you're done with it.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by buffywrestling

    Both Herc & Joss. Ya know, if someone ever did want to write a gritty, urban drama about a glee club; Joss would probably be the one to pull it off.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Why do people like glee?

    by turnbullAC

    I mean Jane Lynch was funny in it but besides that every character seemed like a really bland high school archetype, and they annoyed the hell out of me

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by Zardoz

    I'd love to, but I'm sending it to my Mom first; she's a big Stephen King fan. (Sorry!) And copies are selling for as much as $162 on ebay!

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I like glee and I am not gay!

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    The "bad cheerleader" is seriously HAWT!

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    i didnt make it past his first sentence.

    by alice133

    whedon is way more infatuated with whedon than i am.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Isn't Glee on the verge of cancellation?

    by ShabbyBlue

    As I recall, the ridiculous amount of hype it got all summer didn't help it much in the ratings.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    You cut off the P.S.from Joss

    by Aquatarkusman

    Alright, then! Back to the food court at the mall so I can absorb some more edgy dialogue!

  • maybe he'll start a story arc that puts gipsy curse on sue and gives her a soul? <p> and at least now we know in which episode does the hot cheerleader gives birth to a dead baby. <p> next up, bring J.J. to direct an episode in which will's dad comes back and reveals he's actually a spy working for the CIA...

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    So Whedon's not directing HOUSE or FRINGE instead?

    by SpyGuy

    Looks like I ain't a-watchin' then. Ah, well...At least I don't have to worry about Whedon killing off Thirteen or Astrid...

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Most overrated show on TV.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    i haven't watched GLEE...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...even though I should, but this letter from Whedon is the very reason I could never stand watching more than 30 seconds of Buffy: the language and delivery is desperate in its overly-enthusiastic attempt to be clever. its the language that nerdy kids utilize in their inner-monologues when they're thinking about what they should have said to the school bully who dropped a milkshake on their head a week ago.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    If Whendon...

    by aedude01

    can get the two hot football players to make out during a song; I'm in.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I Would Hope He'd Direct Something More Substantial...

    by Media Messiah 24, Heroes, Family Guy or Gray's Anatomy? Joss Whedon directing Glee, is a step backwards in his career.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    REVENGE_of_FETT: You're Just...

    by Media Messiah, nothing wrong with that.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Because he hates it and wants to kill it?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    The Whedon Kiss of Death. With banter.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    So, a writer I don't like is directing on a show I don't watch.

    by StarWarsRedux

    Meanwhile, I'm still wondering where the talkback on "Fringe" disappeared to. I know there isn't a chance of one popping up for "Heroes", even though it did suddenly get good last week.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    My gf is addicted

    by Maverick1

    Key word here is GIRLFRIEND..GIRL..GIRL.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    ShabbyBlue: Glee Is Supposedly A Ratings Hit?

    by Media Messiah

    I have heard entertainment news show magazines claim that Glee is a hit. I'll go and check the ratings listings to see if that is indeed true, because I recall these same magazine shows claiming that Gossip Girl is a ratings hit repeatedly for years, but it isn't a hit, not even close.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Well, this means Glee will soon be cancelled.

    by FlandersBum

    Any show he has anything to do with is soon to fail. Too bad, I kinda liked the show.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST


    by KevinMuller

    Glee feels fresh, I enjoy that show.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    FUck you Whedon, you killed Kitty Pryde

    by mortsleam

    Of all the people you killed, she was the killiest. I will one day write for X-Men just to bring her back.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    I don't get it why do you people find it so strange

    by RaveX

    that he's gonna do an episode of glee? <p> it's basically one vampire away from buffy and one NPH away from dr. horrible (oh! oh! oh! have NPH guest star in his episode. AND FILLION! AND FELICIA!!!). <p> now that I gave it a thought, I'll put my death pool money on emma. <p> oh, and the best bit from the post: <p> "I'm going to do my best not to gush like a fanboy for eight straight days on set. Don't worry. I practiced with Bamber. I'm a pro." <p> but what about Hogan, dammit?!? :p

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Yo Joss, just give us 60 min of the camera zoomed

    by ghostcuster

    in on the blonde cheerleader's tits and ass

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Glee Ratings

    by Media Messiah

    Compared to the other shows on the air, Glee is doing mid-range ratings, but all of the network shows appear to have lost a great deal of ratings? Glee's average is about 3.1; Now, on cable, that would be considered to be pretty great, even though that is a joke rating, but I assume the ratings are down across the board for broadcast and cable shows, because more and more people are watching shows on Tivo, cable replay--and, many are just saying to hell with TV altogether. Most teens and 20 Somethings, prefer to spend their time on the Internet...than to watch TV these days.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    because he suddenly has all this new free time?

    by punto

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Maxwell's Hammer nailed it...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I had to stop and start and stop and re-start to even try and slug through Whedon's post. Talk about self-indulgent, pretentious crap. Maxwell's Hammer nailed it when he said Whedon always writes in an overly-enthusiastic tone that reeks of saying "Look at me! I'm clever! I'm clever!" Seriously, that's why I could never get into Whedon's work because, in terms of tone, EVERYONE is the wise ass being perpetually clever with a turn of the words. And honestly, how many people that you run into in real life REALLY talk that way?<p>As for GLEE, it's a fun show, so I hope that even the temporary taint of Whedon doesn't cause it to get cancelled!

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    This guy needs to take his meds...

    by Christopher3

    Or get off of whichever ones he's taking. That is all.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I totally misread Herc's intro

    by punto

    I thought it'd be something like "ok, I'll direct your gay show if you change dollhouse to a different timeslot". I guess not..

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Glee has moderate ratings

    by Novaman5000

    But between the cast concerts and itunes downloads, it's a hugely important property for Fox.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Glee's ratings

    by Canuck815

    should probably be okay with mid-range because the songs are pimped out on itunes every week. I'm guessin that generates some revenue.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Great news, just wish he was writing it too...

    by Whedon

    Can't imagine what levels of hilarity we would reach with Joss' words coming out of Jane Lynch's mouth. If he could see fit to shoehorn a little Lea Michelle/Diana Agron lesbian exploration subplot into the show it would be much appreciated.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Zardoz: "It just could be 500 pages shorter..."

    by Big Dumb Ape

    As for the King book, I might give UNDER THE DOME a try, but I sure hope it's better than CELL, which I thought was a total borefest. CELL opened all right, but then it really... really... really just dragged. So my warning bells go off when I hear that DOME likewise starts off fast, but then turns into a 1,000 plus page book -- especially when someone notes 500 of them could easily be cut. <p>The way I see it is simple. If you can literally cut HALF of a book out, then that's a definite sign that some serious editing was still in need. Then again, I've never been a big fan of King's. I get that he'll use pop culture references to make things seem hip or whatever...and that was fine in his earlier books...but it just seems like King (of today) is now writing like he's trying a bit too hard to imitate King of old.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon Explains in his own words

    by BillboeFett

    "Hi, I'm Joss Whedon. You might not remember me from such great shows as Firefly, Buffy, and Angel. That's ok. The reason why I'm directing Glee, is BECAUSE I SUCK. Thanks for listening."

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    That reminds me of

    by NippleEffect

    Robin Williams during his coke era

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Whedon made Pryde cool, not dead.

    by DreamSeasonBobby

    She'll be back in half a decade or so. I mean, Bucky Barnes and Tim Drake are back from the dead, and she's just out in space melted into a giant bullet for now. Whedon's Astonishing was excellent and Buffatized Kitty. Don't sweat it Mortsleam, after the Mayans have their field day and Marvel's e-publishing a follow up to Days of Futures Past just to stay afloat, I have a feeling KATE Pryde will come back in vogue.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Herc is dead to me

    by Itchy

    With this post, he has finally gone full gay. You never go full gay. I mean, Joss Whedon combined with a show about high school musicals ? I mean, maybe things have changed since I got out of high school, but back in my day, the only ones in glee club were the ones who had no beer and couldn't talk anyone into letting them fingerbang in the back of an Olds Delta 88.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    i'm a HUGE buffy, angel and firefly fan and will always respect whedon for what he did with those shows. But i've read these letters to the public things by him before, and he comes off, for lack of a better word, weird. That kind of writing fit buffy in highschool, although the 'wit' in the dialogue was the one thing i was never thrilled with, but his mythology and originality combined with very unique and fleshed out characters is what won me over. But Whedon is too old to be writing shit like this... its just weird. and i also have not been able to finish most of these meandering monologues. I think he wants us to like him too much. whedon needs to let his work speak for itself and make professional sounding announcements as this is his profession.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Whedon to direct Glee? BEST.NEWS.EVER!

    by DreamSeasonBobby

    Whedon getting picked to guest-helm a Glee ep is synergy in the same vein as Q Tarantino directing CSI. Glee is coyly dancing around the fantasy elements inherent in the High School musical genre much the same way that LOST only hinted at the underlying sci-fi/fantasy elements waiting for us in seasons yet to come; which makes me eager for, say, Glee season 4. Obviously being under one roof helped grease some palms here, but if Murphy really wanted to make a statement about what it FEELS like to grow up in a midwestern High School where throwing social misfits into trash cans is a spectator sport, he needs to tap (director of the film Brick) Rian Johnson for an ep or two. And in unrelated news, the Justice Department has announced it will no longer be chasing after cancer-stricken pot-smoking American citizens in states where smoking such is already legal...citing that doing so in the current economic climate would not be good use of federal resources... Now that's what I'd call a "TEACHABLE moment". That's all I got.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    anybody notice we didn't get a talkback for friday's ratings? The previous three weeks had them... although the previous three weeks had new dollhouse episodes that night... and i heard smallville's ratings went up.<br><br>I genuinely thought Herc had come up with a way to let us talkabout whatever show we wish on a given night, and was very grateful for that. But COME ON, no dollhouse = no friday ratings talkbacks? <br><br>Seriously, Herc, what do you do all day? I'm really interested--if this isn't your primary job, let us know and i'm sure people will stop getting on your case. But if this is your only job, its pathetic that just because a whedon show isn't on you don't do your job. I really was starting to give you alot of credibilty herc... but it blows my mind that posting a talkback requires maybe a half hour of research and ten minutes to write and post... what's so difficult about your job, Herc?????

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    Well, as long as it keeps him far away from 24 or Lost.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 8:58 p.m. CST


    by Hercules

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Wil Wheaton was the guest star on Big Bang Theory . . .

    by Royston Lodge

    . . . and AICN didn't have a story on it?!?!?!<p> For shame.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Tonight's Heroes was amazing

    by nrn

    Heroes is back on track and the spoilers I have posted are come to fruition. Your welcome AICN readers :P

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Dear Star Wars fans - It's a trap is getting old

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Please stop.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Why did Jane Lynch leave Party down for this

    by turnbullAC

    it seems that someone decided to make high school musical with real songs, and an attempt at edge, and ended up creating something that has become even gayer then HSM, I mean the characters are all so horribly unlikeable except for lynchs (even though shes supposed to be the villain) why did she have to leave party down

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I slept with your mother on your bed! Nice Star Wars sheets.

    by Drath

    That's still the only line I remember from this show. Actually it's flow is terrible. They just started this Glee club and within one episode the lead characters are breaking up and doing other things. No victorious first show to prove they can do it, no team building beyond the introductions, nothing, it's like the show is already in a shitty sophmore season where they don't know what else to do with the characters. You can't disrupt the status quo every episode when you don't really have a status quo (or the sq is so fucking lame that the audience doesn't care if it's disrupted). Also Jane Lynch is wasted. For some reason I like the gigalo kid who impregnated his best friend's girl and spoke the above Star Wars line, but his mohawk look is too much like people I hated in High School and he's gotten lost as the episodes have gotten more confused. If they're smart, the show runners will let Whedon help them with their season plan rather than just direct an episode. The flow is rotten. Not that, uh, WATCH this show, I just heh heh, oh balls.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Fem Guys love this show

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I'd rather watch some team lose again to the Yankees.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by Loosejerk

    A fucking episode that mirrors Khan WITH Ensign Crusher aboard and we get a fucking GLEE talkback! Yeah, I know Buffy-man is involved...but come on lazy asses.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by Ryanbraun14

    Thanks herc... both for proving i'm a douchebag in this case and possibly others, and for continuing to give us talkbacks for an entire night of tv... i see 'ugly betty' and 'leno' in the title of the talkback and immediately ignore it... it was like an internet-browsing instant reflex.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    nobody cares

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    I'm not gay...

    by REVENGE_of_FETT

    I just like the way stubble feels on my ballsack. Is that so wrong?

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Glee is tongue-in-cheek!

    by Jayemel

    It's mocking the cliches and archetypes you all are mocking like you're smart and clever. That's right, you're a step behind the writers of Glee. (Who, by the way, I don't think are all that great because they're wasting stories that could be long arcs on one shot episodes. I think they'll run out of material. Either that or it'll get more ridiculous and thus more hilarious.)

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Joss couldn't make Wonder Woman work

    by lockesbrokenleg

    but he works on Glee? Hmmmm.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Don't understand how anyone could hate glee...

    by Whedon

    I There are atleast five laugh out loud moments per episode. Yes the tone of the show is all over the place with the use of voice over and the shifting into music video mode every couple of episodes but whats wrong with that considering the great cast and hilarious writing. The episode where the whole club performed their mashups while on speed was probably my favorite episode of television this year. Joss and Glee is a perfect combination in my opinion.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    This is really great news.

    by Jamie McBain

    I'm really looking forward to seeing the episode, when it airs.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    ... he did direct an episode of the office ...

    by Arguendo

    And the show is still going strong. Really, the hyperbole here is so great that it can come to define hyperbole for generations to come.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Glee's just like fucking Scrubs!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Heroes not anywhere near as good as last week....

    by jimbojones123

    Still better than anything since Season 1. Actually great up until Sylar asks Hudson if he is a God. Should have answered yes. For him to jump right into the Carnival Crew is crazy UNLESS he is planting himself to destroy the crew. <p> Characters continue to stay true and not be rewritten each week. Sylar is the only exception unless again he is faking. <p> Hiro finally fixing his original mistake is right on. <p> Noah finally stepping up. Pete, Claire and Noah working together. Mohinder replaced by Carnie as Exposition Guy is silly. Those intros are still just terrible cliches. They remind me of the guy from Mystery Men that tries to teach the Heroes. <p> I really wonder if new Sylar will keep old Sylar out???

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    How could directing Glee be a step back in his career? Whedon has not been part of a legitimate hit since Toy Story fourteen years ago. neither of the Buffyverse would have lasted six episodes on an established broadcast network with the ratings it received.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Was pretty excited about "Glee" based on the pilot

    by Rinse

    but since then it's been kind of a mess and not living up to the pilot. There seems to be a handful of major plots they're trying to move forward -- the love triangles, the faux/real pregnancies. Everything else gets reset with every episode. There's something missing in the show's ingredients, and they need to figure out what it is and find their footing quick, IMO.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Wheelchair Kid or Pregnant Cheerleader

    by Larry of Arabia

    I think they are most likely to die. Preggers has been put through a lot, and the audience is starting to feel for and like her. Having her die in a freak cheer accident will have ripple effects on all the leads. Wheelchair Kid serves no purpose other than just to be there, but it's obvious the kids like him. He'd be a good minor kill.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Under the Doooohme!

    by Bandit 37

    How is that not the exact same plot of The Simpson's Movie?

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Oh, and since there's no talkback for "Heroes"...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...allow me to point out that it continued to not suck tonight. Looks like they really are going for some kind of temporal anomaly thing with Hiro saving Charlie. Cool with me.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Bandit 37

    by lockesbrokenleg

    More like King ripped off Lost. He's been kissing Losts ass for better part of 3 years.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    The hammer...

    by TheMarineBiologist my penis.<p> /talkback

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon to direct Saw Seven!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Glee was created by the guy who made Nip/Tuck

    by sighborg

    The guy who created both shows is openly gay. Nip/Tuck had gays, trannies, some straight porn, gays, and trannies. Expect two out of three of those to play prominently on Glee. Major story lines, "learning opportunities", very special episodes etc. Don't say the "F" word, eventually the "T" word and don't say "gay" instead of lame. And more pablum.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Actually, a thing about Heroes.

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Those that may (for some inane reason) remember my previous posts, would recall that I have been very vocal in my opposition to Heroes. My main reasons for not watching Heroes included such terms as the "Idiot Ball" or the constant recharacterization of the characters.<p> Well, thanks to Xbox+Netflix, I was able to instantly stream the first four episodes of whatever the hell season this is now.<p> Actually, it is rather fantastic. I'm enjoying it. However, I think I am only enjoying it because I can fast forward through these fucking idiotic Claire scenes. Again, currently only watching the show for Peter, Noah, and Sylar. Still, that's a good start after my disgust with the previous seasons.

  • Oct. 19, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Glee annoys the SHIT out of me....

    by Merlox

    and I'm glad my wife feels the same. It's the second show this season to get the DVR axe and I don't think it'll be missed. Every episode seems so desperate and pathetic for attention. Someone quits Glee club EVERY FUCKING EPISODE. And God Forbid we forget the obligatory "We're doing it for the kids" discussion in the last 15 minutes. It seems to be trying to balance that irreverent and wacky tone with some real melodrama and the whole thing comes off as incredibly irritating. Sure it has some good one liners every now and then....yeah, I've laughed out loud more then once. But the plot and stories are fucking horrible. /end rant

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Well Then, Whedon Should Have Directed Nip/Tuck

    by Media Messiah

    But Glee??? Please!!!

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Under the Dome preceded The Simpsons Movie.

    by Shan

    "Under the Dome" was based on an abandoned manuscript Stephen King wrote while participating in Creepshow back in 1983, which was called amongst other things "Under the Dome". So a bit before The Simpsons Movie.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Whedon dies for your geeky sins....

    by Josstossesthesalad

    So do you think Joss Whedon masturbates in front of a mirror? Hate to be crude, but how can one person love themselves so much? This press release sounds like the ramblings of a teenager or Woody Allen explaining his new movie.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Whedon directs Paranormal Activity 2!!!

    by Josstossesthesalad

    It's his legion of fanboys swooning watching his latest show fail. You get to see the shocking crowd reaction to Whedon's press release *squee* or whatever the hell that means

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    I would like to see Joss Whedon direct a Clone Wars

    by lockesbrokenleg

    episode. All 100 of you Firefly fans would probably commit mass suicide.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars

    by Josstossesthesalad

    No they would love it and proclaim it wonderful and better than Empire Strikes Back. His witty dialogue oh my! One of the clone troopers would go from straight to gay and vice versa then say something like "See you latte". Hear the Whedonites cry in happiness!

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:01 a.m. CST


    by Josstossesthesalad

    If anyone else made dollhouse everyone would hate it. However, since Whedon makes it everyone eats the dirt with a spoon.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Where do you people get this stuff?

    by Jayemel

    How is the letter egotistical at all? He straight out says the role of a guest director on a TV show is to be anonymous. That statement is anti-ego. (Not that I have anything wrong with ego.) Also, it's pretty easy to read and straight forward. Did you ever think that the writing style might just be, oh no, his personality?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:54 a.m. CST

    If it is anonymous....

    by Josstossesthesalad

    then why does he tell everyone he is doing it? I have a problem with his personality always showing and seeming to be a "character". The perfect example would be Jerry Seinfeld. I never know when he is just talking or doing his routine.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:55 a.m. CST

    they had cheno guest

    by brabon300

    and while she is still hawt and has a smoking bod...who the fuck told her to lose weight

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    seems adult swim sent out epi 2 to all reviewers

    by brabon300

    just to fuck everyone up....brilliant

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Whedon reminds me of Pariah from DC Comics...

    by Josstossesthesalad

    everything he shows up something dies.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    sorry I meant everytime

    by Josstossesthesalad

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Horribly written letter

    by centilope

    He's trying REALLY REALLY HARD to come off as witty here, but for the most part he fails miserably. Some self-deprecating humor, sarcasm, irony sprinkled here and there is fine, but not in every single sentence. It does give the impression that's he's full of himself, a smartass, desperately tring to impress, who just comes off as annoying instead. I also just found out that Eliza Dushku did voicework for a game called Wet that's a cross between Bloodrayne and John Woo's Stranglehold. She gets to do a lot of uncensored swearing and acting all badass from the looks of it. Could be good.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Eliza Dushku

    by Josstossesthesalad

    I'm totally fine with her. When she played Faith, Whedon gave her the same witty high school dialogue that he gives everyone. Most street tough people wouldn't talk like that. Yes, Wet looked really good, but I had a hard time with the controls. Great concept though.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Who gives a flying fuck????!!!!!

    by Drsambeckett1984

    Why is this cool news? About some guy who used to make decent television, directing an episode of Glee? In what way is this considered to be important or newsworthy in anyway? Does this site have such a massive hard on for the guy that everything he does must warrant some a page? Bullshit!

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:32 a.m. CST

    I second your bullshit

    by Josstossesthesalad

    He has some sort of Jim Jones affect on people. Personally I think he is a hack. Anyone see Alien Resurrection?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Fair question

    by Josstossesthesalad

    Would some Whedon fans watch a Whedon written or directed soap opera, reality show, douche commercial, or his actual fecal matter? If so, damn that's going a bit far!

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Who has the time to watch all these shows?

    by Dingbatty

    There's like one hundred billion series since Y2K that I've not seen. Everyone else must have some time stopping power that I lack.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Glee doesn't need a director

    by WerePlatypus

    It needs a reality check. I'm a high school teacher. . . and most of us work our asses off. We don't have time to sit in a teacher's lounge all day and try to fuck each other over for an extracurricular activity. C'mon!

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Why explain?

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    Just give the viewers a good show. Do the job you are paid to do this week.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 5:35 a.m. CST


    by Drsambeckett1984

    were great at the time, but has anyone rewatched Buffy lately? I doubt people will be watching it in forty years time like we do now with Star Trek. Whedon's stuff is completely of its time and what has he done latelt that is deserving of the constant high praise. Fuck all.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Now give us Jane Espenson for Glee

    by parissun

    Glee is a great new show. The show writers are easily seeking to turn the archtypes upside down. It's basically a dramedy and it's not a one shot sitcom. There are a couple of great storylines that are ongoing throughout the season. The ratings for the show are midrange and pretty good for Fox. They are also making a killing on Itunes. They are going to be doing a tour and more cash cow events next year. So this show is definitely working for Fox. I'll be honest, I thought this was going to be Fame 2.0 meets popular. But this show has totally turned me around. I was surprised to find that this show is in my opinion, the best new show this Fall. You can really feel the desparation of the glee kids and the teachers living in this Ohio town. It's tough growing up when your social status tries to keep you in a box. I challenge everyone to at least give it three episodes and I'll bet you'll be hooked.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Drsambeckett1984 I have re-watched Buffy and Angel

    by spike fan

    And Buffy with the sole exception of S2 which had a great begining middle and perfect finale is no where near as good as when I first watched it (Not that 6 OR 7 were anygood then). Whedons writing is very shallow and at times extremly self indulgent he raises a scenario then either cops out or simply ignores the scenario in favour of a happy/pat ending.And his charachters have a tendency to regress quite a bit its quite jaring. Its very noticable watching it by todays standards. Strangely enough Angel while not having the greatest actor (DB) as its star really does hold down better though that could be down to both David Greenwalt and Tim Minear who changed Whedons conecpt of Monster/Good looking blond of the week into a journey about the charachters and there faults. They did such a good job that the Buffy charachters often came across as quite shallow in comparison specially in crossovers so Whedon arbitrarly regressed the Angel charachters too (Biggest example Faith on Ats S4 and then Buffy S7 ditto with Angel himself) I also feel that Whedon took alot of credit for the shows success from others in the show running producing dept which prior too Buffy he had no experience of Certainly the idea that JW fans proclaim is the best show ever is a slap in the face to the Wire/Deadwood/Shield and Rome which were all far superior.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah as for the "letter"!

    by spike fan

    Its just a very poor attempt at being funny and clever.Bet you any money all those people on Whedonesque who will think its the most brilliant bit of writing since the last time JW posted are all falling over themselves trying to be clever and funny too. And failing miserably I bet.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Whedon trolls himself

    by buffywrestling

    better than actual trolls. Just another thing he does better than them.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Jane Lynch...

    by BizarroJerry

    I have never liked her in one part she's ever played. I can't figure out why everyone seems to have decided she's hilarious. She just plays obnoxious people.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    ROLLING STONE called GLEE the "gayest show ever."

    by Subtitles_Off

    That about sums it up.<P>Except, the doofus RS writer intended it as a compliment.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Under the dome sounds a bit like the mist

    by NippleEffect

    locked in an enclosed area and people turn on each other

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Prelim overnight # for last night's Heroes: 3.2 rating/5 share

    by PennsyDeux

    The combo of ALCS Game 4 overrun and House did a number on the show.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by nrn

    at least Heroes was good last night :D

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Spike Fan

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I agree with you, Angel has fared much better, simply because the scripts were better and the characters were more well rounded. But mainly because Whedon wasnt as involved in Angel as he was in Buffy, i re watched Firefly a few weeks ago, while there are the glimmers of greatness, im not too surprised it got cancelled. Serenity was decent though i thought.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by SaluteYourShorts

    Dr. Fate and Hawkman will be appearing. Discuss that, AICN.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by Drsambeckett1984

    Better than that, have you seen who is playing Hawkman? None other than Daniel Jackson himself, Michael Shanks!!! Smallville rules.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Why work on Glee?

    by conspiracy

    So you have access to young, desperate for a long term career PUSSY..that is why!</p><p> Honestly, besides the $$$$ it is the reason most Heterosexual men get involved in the entertainment industry...the never ending availability of the hottest girls with the lowest self esteem.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    So, Herc can watch Glee, secure in his manhood

    by Stabby

    "Oh, I'm not watching Glee because I'm gay. Only because I'm gay for Josh Whedon!" - HERCULES THE LAME "P.S. Follow my lame ass on Twitter."

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Whedon trolls himself?

    by Josstossesthesalad

    What do you mean exactly? Plus, most Whedon fans will watch anything he does. If anyone said half as much as Whedon fans say about George Lucas or another show they enjoy they would be ridiculed like crazy. As I have said countless times before, anyone that refers to their work as the "Whedonverse" has their head of their ass and inferiority complexes.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Star Trek and its staying power

    by Josstossesthesalad

    Exactly! Star Trek, especially the old series, masked social and political commentary in a way most people enjoyed, even the ones who were being preached to. Buffy and its ilk are power fantasies for people wanting to be super witty, nothing more. Joss Whedon did nothing "groundbreaking" by putting an attractive girl in a genre show. The line for that award started long before him. Whedon just isn't as "cool" as his cult like following gives him.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    The truth about Whedon

    by Jayemel

    He creates strong intellectually engaging premises and has a better sense of the importance of season long arcs than most people, but sometimes struggles with creating likable characters because he has a tendency to fall back on cultural cliches. His best work, far and away, is Serenity and Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog. That said, all this venom spit towards him is unearned. He has a small corner of the internet, and people overreact because he plays to his (generally over exaggerated in number) overly rabid fanbase. Who cares? The large majority of people are not going to know or give a shit that he is directing an episode of Glee. Thus, anonymous.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Next Monday's Castle...

    by SpikeBeoulve

    For anyone who loves Whedon's Firefly/Serenity, Nathan Fillion will make an appearance in the Halloween episode next Monday dressed as none other than Capt. Malcolm Reynolds. Any Whedon fan should appreciate this (THAT MEANS YOU HERC!!!!!!) ...I wonder why there's no mention of this on the website at all....

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by Mr.FTW

    Why is Whedon's writing on his show and comics good but when it is something like this it's like a 14 year old girl wrote it. It was hard to get through that mess.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Whedon took a huge shit!!

    by Josstossesthesalad

    It was amazing, best thing ever. We should have constant twitter on it to see it's greatness. I'm going to analyze it and see what he eats so I can have the Whedondiet!! *Squee* Fucking crazy how people worship this guy.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I don't begrudge Whedon

    by offput

    for his fanbase. The browncoats are nuts and really took the root of 'fan' (ie fanatic) to heart when they signed up. But Whedon is still the man, and he's directed stuff before without it becoming all about Whedon, just look at the episode of The Office he directed. If you like Glee, like I do, you'll probably end up liking the Whedon-directed episode. You're not guaranteed that you'll like his Glee episode if you're a Whedon fan (though if you're a browncoat you'll surely think it's some ingenious new innovation and one of the greatest hours of television ever made) which is sort of the point. Calm down guys.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Yeah no shit he's directing it

    by Series7

    He's hoping to get a job once Dollhouse is canned.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    When I saw the title 'under the dome'

    by smackfu

    the first thing I thought of was an R2-D2 tell-all.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST


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  • Oct. 20, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    "Glee" has its moments

    by the_juicy_box_of_megan_fox

    <p>"Glee" had a pretty solid pilot, but I've mostly been disappointed or left cold by the show itself. Every episode feels like a different creative team produced it, so the tone is all over the place.</p> <p>I'm also sick of the fake/real pregnancy storyline. Every time the show gives those plots screen time, it grinds to a halt. Last week, with Will's wife, Terri, faking her sonogram (with the OB/GYN going along with it) was ludicrous.</p> <p>I'll stick with the show until the end of the season, but unless it irons out the kinks, I won't bother with season two.</p>

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    josstossesthesalad I agree

    by spike fan

    Now I love Dr Who and think its fantastic and cant wait for the Xmas episodes and the return of the Master (The excellent John Simm) but no way would I ever say its the greatest show ever made like many Whedon fans will say about Buffy (Though the episode Blink is a true classic) and if you disagree it means you dont get his genuies (I stated what I thought his flaws were in a previous post) and how he is a 3 generation holywood rebel against the evil Fox system which is another cliche that gets churned out.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Glee Homophobes need to come out of closet

    by parissun

    The Glee homophobes are just sexually confused. These are the same people who obsess over Jack Bauer's balls. Bagging on Glee will not make you more manly so give it up.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Fake sonogram

    by jim

    I too think the fake pregnancy story strains the limits of plausibility. However, I found the fake sonogram scene to be quite funny. Will gushing over the image of his wife's knee, thinking it to be a shot of his daughter, rang true to me. I've seen a few sonograms and more often than not I have no idea what I'm seeing until someone points it out, and even then it's like shapes in clouds - could be whatever you want it to be.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Blink was great, Classic Who

    by Josstossesthesalad

    Thanks Spike fan, I love both classic and current Who. I think Russell T Davies has Whedon syndrome. He wants to only play his agenda and how witty he is every episode. While some are great, others are horrible. I get criticized for hating Torchwood and the character of Capt Jack on all fronts, just like Whedonites like to do to the "non-believers".

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by Quadio1

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    is Whedon responsible for BSG The Plan sucking?

    by SantiagoAtez

    I hope not. Because I love my BSG. But "The Plan" about as linked as the "extended scene" section of a B-movie DVD.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    "here’s one way to go from a 1.0 to a 3.3!"

    by Meglos

    Truly an intriguing observation! Also, how is this article "cool" and/or "news"?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    Thanks for that little tidbit. What if KB asks Castle who he is supposed to be, he tells her Captain Malcolm Reynolds, and she says "Oh, that guy, you don't look ANYTHING like him!"

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by Zardoz

    It is similar to The Mist in that regard and actually one of the characters even makes a reference to "That movie, The Mist..." Talk about meta!

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    the juicy box of Megan Fox

    by DrMorbius

    What are the odds that the cheerleader will give birth and the wife of the glee club teacher will end up with the baby?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Answer-Whedon likes money

    by jaysin420

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    No I can't believe it!

    by Josstossesthesalad

    Whedon only loves the craft of writing and directing, he doesn't like money or success. He's not like that evil man George Luca$$. How dare you? hehe. Trust me, someone is thinking that.

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  • Oct. 20, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Ryan Murphy is gay? Nip/Tuck > Glee

    by Homer Sexual

    I didn't know that. Nip/Tuck is so awesomely over the top, it is seriously my favorite non-reality show on TV. The new season rocks (except when Matt is on screen). <p> Glee is pretty gay, although a lot of (non-gay) students where I work enjoy it. I think it's mildly amusing but I wonder how long until they run out of steam?

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    i love you too

    by Quadio1

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  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Jane Espenson?!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Wow, you really want Glee to bomb, don't you?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Herc, get Whedon to

    by Kaiser Soze

    convince the execs at Fox to put Fringe and Dollhouse back to back on Tuesdays. There is crap on on Tuesdays, Fringe did better before it was moved to Thursdays (yes I know it was on Mondays), and Dollhouse would benefit from a Fringe lead-in, I think. Just a thought, but I hate Thursday night's is stuffed to the gills with more programming at the same time than my DVR can record and Tuesdays I have to figure out what blu ray or dvd I'll pop in because there's NOTHING on. Just a thought.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    who cares?

    by jon pertwee

    let the hate begin

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    They've already made SEVERAL Firefly references on that show. I knew that and I don't even care for Firefly. I'm surprised Herc never has a Castle TB up.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    What I don't get about Glee

    by Series7

    Is why doesn't Murphy get some music video directors to come in and make the singing look LESS lipsynchy. I mean to me that takes me out of the show. Its lucky the story got a lot better after episode 2. And they pulled back on the Jane Lynch use. She's funny for 2-5 lines in a 2 1/2 hour film. She a little TOOO much as the second lead in an hour long tv show.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Clifford Simak before Simpsons or King:

    by ToMonicker

    "All Flesh Is Grass, Berkley Medallion Books, 1965. The town of Millville is trapped in a bubble by an alien hive-race of purple flowers. It's established a toehold for mutual cooperation - or invasion." <br /> I tried to watch Glee once, I really did, but it didn't hook me.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    why he's directing? "B/c unemployment's a bitch"?

    by finky089


  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Glee is surprisingly good.

    by Rorschach1

    Glad to see Joss spanning out, he's a fantastic sci-fi director/writer and I love to see his talent put to use in different ways. And I hated Glee for the first few weeks and wouldn't watch it because it sounds horrible in concept. But so do a lot of things that end up great. Very fun show, and it's a high school satire, really. The joke is that everyone is so archetypical. And look at the star cameos they're bringing in. It's not High School Musical (thank God), it's making fun of that type of show.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I laughed more at last week's Glee than 30 Rock.

    by flickchick85

    I love "30 Rock," but "Glee" just keeps getting funnier (I admit the pilot wasn't all that funny). And for those complaining about it not being realistic - Have you SEEN a Ryan Murphy show before? They are usually SO over-the-top, their reality is totally removed from ours. That's part of what makes it fun. I mean, hello, you had all the kids reacting to the suphedrine in TWO decongestant pills like it was speed, and you had a wife and doctor faking an ultrasound right in front of the husband, not to mention the whole baby-switching plot. It's not realistic, and that lets me enjoy it SO much more.<p> And for the record, the writing on "Glee" is leagues ahead of the writing on "Heroes" and "Grey's Anatomy." I don't know why anyone would think THOSE shows would be better for Whedon to work with.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Also, Jane Lynch on Glee = EMMY

    by flickchick85

    If there's any justice in the world. Good lord, that woman's hysterical.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Yes, flickchick, but Lynch on Party Down=SHOULDA WON EMMY

    by PennsyDeux

    Yes. :)

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Dr Fate and Hawkman....

    by jaysin420

    hmm guess I gotta google these guys.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Lynch is best on 2 1/2 Men

    by DrMorbius

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by SpikeBeoulve

    there have been other mentions of firefly/serenity on castle, but none more blatant and fun than what's coming next week. i just find it disheartening that herc seems to not support the cast members of whedon's past shows. he does a lot of promoting and telling of what the past writers of buffy, angel, and firefly are working on now, especially Jane Espenson. Why no talkback for Castle?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    WTF is Glee?

    by the_shogun_gunslinger


  • Oct. 20, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Castle just got a full season

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    And where are the ratings posts by Herc? They were fun.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by torpor_haze

    these haters just can't get over the fact Whedon still hasn't sold out like Lucas and Abrams did. Yeah I said it, love their work but they sold out to the "cool (read:mainstream) kids" as far as the storyline treatments and budget go. I like most Whedon stuff, some I have no time for (e.g. Buffy comics). He could've easily made "Serenity" a cliche sci-fi romp suitable for box-office success or at least moderate success, but he didn't. Don't get me wrong I'm sure he would've liked it to be, but he knew the priorities and paid his dues to Firefly fans. Whedon is going to be around for a long long time. Better yet he's going to be around on his own terms.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Lol, at torpor_haze

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Whedon DID try to make Firefly appeal to everyone. He killed off people in Serenity, and he basically rebooted the Firefly story in it. It's funny to watch people defend Whedon as if he's some untouchable person who can do no wrong.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Nothing can make me watch an episode of Glee

    by Naughty

    Not even Joss Whedon directing it.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    LOL Locke

    by DrMorbius

    We all know you don't like Firefly, you mention it as often as you can. Yet you like Transformers 2, so go figure.<P>You said Whedon Did try to make Firefly appeal to everyone, please explain. And don't go with an AssLives answer like because I said so. Waiting....

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    With the additon of that goofy ass character in Firefly

    by lockesbrokenleg

    that talked to Mannequins, Whedon proved he was trying to appeal to a non fan base.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Whedon sucks, blah blah blah...

    by Ribbons

    ...I totally don't understand why he gets so much attention on the Internet. Now I shall proceed to spend the next 5 days trolling a bunch of articles about the man and his work, therefore giving him more attention than most of his fans. Oops.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST


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  • Oct. 20, 2009, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, my ass looks good

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Thanks for noticing!

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Noticed....Your nonexistent reading comprehension!

    by DrMorbius

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Why do you have a fascination with my ass?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 7:59 p.m. CST

    That's true, Pennsy.

    by flickchick85

    Lynch was also brilliant on Party Down (and a VERY different character, too)...but Glee gives her more of a showcase, so I'm glad she stuck with that one.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I saw Jane Lynch at the Starbucks at...

    by chimpjnr

    57th between Park and Lex in NYC last Thursday. Hardly concerned about her image, I'll say that, to her credit. She was dressed in sweats, her hair was all over the place, and she was chowing down on a piece of coffee cake while standing up, scattering crumbs everywhere. Hardly interesting, I know, but I thought I'd share.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    You're ALL ASS

    by DrMorbius

    Thanks for answering the question you twat.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon IS fallable

    by Kaiser Soze

    nothing against the man, I loved Firefly/Serenity and dig on Dollhouse...was never much for the Buffy/Angel thing, but I can respect that it has a large following even if it wasn't my cup of tea. But to anyone who tries to tell me Whedon can do no wrong, I have but two words: Alien Ressurection. Whedon wrote that overbloated piece of hippo dung that shat all over the character of Ellen Ripley.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST


    by Kaiser Soze

    dammit when is ya'll gonna git a cotton-pickin edit feature

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection and selling out

    by Josstossesthesalad

    Alien Resurrection made me cry blood it was so bad. It made Alien 3 look like Aliens. Now on the selling out, how has George Lucas sold out? He makes his movies and tells the studio system to suck and they come to him wanting HIS movies. Like Star Wars or not, he did all of it, no sucking studio penis. Now, Mr. Whedon is like Oliver Twist going to Fox and asking "More Sir". Firefly was good I liked it, but guess what there have been many many "space westerns". Star Wars and to a lesser extent Star Trek. Yay for originality Whedon.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    You're really lockes, aren't you?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    nope I'm separate promise

    by Josstossesthesalad

    but lockesbrokenleg is a cool name

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    and Lucas does have problems

    by Josstossesthesalad

    I'm not saying he doesn't. He's not godlike Whedon who is as pure as the driven snow.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST


    by Josstossesthesalad

    It's like once people are successful geek culture turns against them for some reason. I love Star Wars, and the cartoon isn't that bad, but if I was like 11 it would be my life. Since the general public likes it, do we as fan culture have to show disdain for it? Just a question.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    To be fair...

    by Ribbons

    ...I do like a lot of Joss Whedon's work, but I don't get the whole "You're just jealous Joss doesn't sell out" thing. We're talking about the same guy who scrapped his pilots for "Firefly" and "Dollhouse" because the network asked him to? And the dude who did ghostwriting jobs for X-Men, Toy Story, and (shudder) Alien Ressurection? That guy who doesn't sell out?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection

    by Hercules

    Whedon's first draft was incredible, ending with a massive alien-human battle for Earth. They should have splurged on a director who could speak English (one who could better understand how to exploit some really fine English-language jokes).

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Sorry Herc

    by Kaiser Soze

    but big battle or no, unless Whedon's script DIDN'T turn Ellen Ripley into a human/alien clone/hybrid, and unless his script DIDN'T have anything to do with the wierd alien baby thing at the end, then Joss Whedon did some seriously crappy work there. And if he didn't have anything to do with those two major plot points, then he should have had his name removed from that movie. I know Fox execs love to meddle with their projects (I'm looking at YOU, Tom Rothman), but Joss took responsibility for that story, and I can only judge him by what made it to the public, not on a draft very few have seen or heard of.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Selling out

    by Josstossesthesalad

    Anyone who makes something for popular culture sells out a bit. If not, why not do it for free?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Why not do it for free?

    by Jayemel

    Because when you're good at something, you deserved to get paid.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Exactly Jayemel

    by Josstossesthesalad

    That's my point exactly. Everyone sells out. Nothing wrong with that at all. Besides, making money off of our hard work is the American way. More power to people who create and can get paid.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Whedon is like everyone else

    by Josstossesthesalad

    He writes and directs for a living. He isn't a saint that does it for free and for the craft. I just happen to think his stuff isn't that good and he's overrated.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    "It's like..."

    by Ribbons

    "...once people are successful geek culture turns against them for some reason. I love Star Wars, and the cartoon isn't that bad, but if I was like 11 it would be my life. If people like it do we as fan culture HAVE to show disdain for it? Just a question." <br> <br> I don't know, you tell me, "Joss Tosses The Salad."

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST


    by Josstossesthesalad

    I hear you, but everyone has Joss Whedon as this Luke Skywalker new hope for fandom. I just think he is overhyped.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    and its the Whedonites that make him like

    by Josstossesthesalad

    their Jim Jones cult leader of all things cool. If he would write a book review people would proclaim it perfect. I hate the poor Joss argument. Oh Hollywood and television don't understand him. He's so wonderful and speaks to me thing, it's ridiculous.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon Has To Eat

    by Media Messiah

    I just wish he had picked another show to pay the bills with. Look, this is just a favor to Fox to raise the DVR ratings for Glee if it is placed back on the service, as someone here said it got removed from DVR.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    I'm just glad Whedon hasn't invaded..

    by Josstossesthesalad

    the DC Universe. Well, he tried. Could you imagine him on Batman?

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    "unless his script DIDN'T have anything to do with the wierd ali

    by Hercules

    IIRC that is the case; the alien hybrid idea was the studio's.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Joss Has Interesting Ideas.

    by Rorschach1

    I understand that everything has been done to an extent before. There are very few things that are original anymore. but when we live in a world that has more remakes in the theatre at any given time, I think we should pay respect to the guy. Not a huge Buffy, Firefly, or Angel fan, not that they were bad either. But he's a talented writer, and Alien Resurrection didn't feel much like him so I assume there were some serious changes. That being said, Dollhouse has been fantastic. It's in the friday broadcasting deadzone but it's really quite good. I can say with certainty that plot line has never been done in this depth before.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    guess i'm in the minority...

    by SpikeBeoulve

    that actually enjoys alien resurrection. oh well. I was watching the alien movies when i was five years old, Aliens was always my favorite, and Alien 3 was too strange for me when i was young, but i appreciate it now. Alien Resurrection is just a guilty pleasure, but it could have been so much more.

  • Oct. 20, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by SpikeBeoulve

    i loved the idea on paper, but after watching the first episode, i lost interest. it just didn't seem like how the idea did on paper. I was expecting a lot more. This seems like he was writing it to compensate for all the damn studio execs and viewers who want something shiny and not so strange and out there. An idea wasted, at least to me, but everyone says that it's getting more in depth with the story now. I hope so, i'll try to give it another chance.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Kristy Swanson was the BETTER Buffy!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Search your feelings, Padawans - you know this to be true.<p>And you know Swanson Buffy was more fun, and you wanted to bang her a helluva lot more than Sarah Michelle Gellar spewing Whedon's constant "Look at me talking hip and clever" bullshit dialogue!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    A Saint wouldn't work for free, a Sinner would.

    by Jayemel

    A Saint would demand that you demonstrate there are values by rewarding good (by giving it money) and punishing bad (by denying it money). "Selling out" is a term created by children that don't understand how the world works. People that "sell out" create a lot more of whatever they're good at than people who don't. Would you rather your favorite whatever never "sell out" and only create one thing or "sell out" and create many things? I'd rather see Manny Coto make 24 awesome again like he has than make more failed half shows like Odyssey 5. But didn't Coto "sell out" by agreeing to run an already popular show rather than creating one of his own? Oh no. Think of it this way: What if Bryan Fuller had started with and stayed with Heroes since day one rather than creating Pushing Daisies?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Whedon didnt sell out....

    by Drsambeckett1984

    He's just shit.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Whedon's third generation

    by spike fan

    Hollywood with both his father and grandfather being in the biz. He knows how the game works and is a willing particpant. This whole rebel genuies whose been foiled by evil suits is myth. Both the BBC and ASH were and still are interested in making a Giles/Ripper show that Whedon himself first floated. It wouldnt take long (In the UK most shows are normally about 6 episodes) but the reason why it hasnt happened is simply cause Whedon the great artist would rather work for Fox as they will pay him more and give him bigger exposure in the US. Now I dont blame the guy as a guys gotta get paid but fans shouldnt make excuses and pretend he is something he is not.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Definitely Spike Fan

    by Josstossesthesalad

    All artists, writers, directors, etc. must play the game in regards to the business end of creativity. If they want to shake up the whole system, do everything from production and promotion and creation. That's why I'm a big fan of Lucasarts and Lucasfilm. Like the product or not, Lucas does everything himself or has it done on his terms. The same can be said about comic writers/artist that self publish. You might not get rich, but you get to do everything your way...which can be really hard. It's that line between the writer and reader or audience that is so hard to traverse sometimes. As for Joss Whedon, I'm sure he likes those royalty checks from the original Buffy movie even though it wasn't his "vision". This is quite fine in my book.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    I feel for Herc, I really do

    by Stabby

    This would be like the equivalent of David Lynch directing an episode of Kate + 8 - Jon to me. Must suck.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    I love how a post about GLEE leads to dudes defending their stra

    by YoyodynePropulsionSystems

    Oh man I read a post on a website about Glee. My friends might find out and think i'm gay!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by The McPoyle Clan

    Fox throws JW a bone. 13 and out it is for Dollhouse.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:50 a.m. CST

    "Alien Resurrection, Whedon's first draft was incredible"

    by Stabby

    Now, that is the definition of an APOLOGIST. Of course, Alien 3 sucking didn't have anything to do with Whedon. It was the producers and Fincher's fault for tampering with Joss' script. Give me a break, Herc. Just like it was Fox's fault for not giving Firefly a chance to find its audience as it will be when Dollhouse is inevitably cancelled. Silly Whedonite, don't you know that dicks are for chicks!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by buffywrestling

    Completely different situations. Dollhouse is NOT being compared to Studio or Network interference as it was during A:R & Firefly.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    "Silly Whedonite, don't you know that dicks are for chicks!"

    by Ribbons

    Wow. Clever AND a bigot? You're a real catch, Stabby!

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Don't flatter yourself, Ribbons

    by Stabby

    Like I'm here trying to pick you or anyone else up. I'm just busting Herc's balls.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection was a huge flop

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Of course, why they felt they needed another Alien afer that shitty Alien 3 is anyone's guess?

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Whedon directed Once more With Feeling

    by skimn

    so why should it a surprise that he would helm another episode of a musical series? Ironic that he directed a Buffy that was filled with song, and another with barely a written word (Hush). Possibly the two best episodes the series produced. Or at least the Whedon directed episodes.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    So happy

    by spookybibz

    I peed a little.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Joss is a musical-loving girl man.

    by AnnoyYou

    He only said this like a billion times when he was doing the Buffy musical episode. Of course he'd want to direct an episode of Glee. I'm curious to see who'll be the guest star now that Chenoweth has done it, though. I mean, she and Matthew Morrison are two huge MLGM magnets, Broadway babies that they are. I'll bet Whedon will lay a big fat smack on Morrison, he'll be so excited to see him (I know I would, even if he is a Timberlake clone).

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Make that "musical-loving girlY man."

    by AnnoyYou

    And this is a direct admission from Whedon's lips.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    @buffywrestling RE Dollhouse

    by Jaydog you see that press release from FOX today saying Dollhouse actually WILL NOT air in November, and they will double up eps in December until the show is burned off and put out of it's misery? Funny how that wasn't reported by AICN. Yeah.....I thought so. ;) -J.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    EW: Dollhouse Moves To December

    by Media Messiah

    Exclusive: Fox to bench 'Dollhouse' during sweeps by Michael Ausiello<BR><BR> Categories: Dollhouse, News<BR><BR> This isn’t a good sign: Sources confirm to me exclusively that Fox has decided to pull Dollhouse off the schedule during November sweeps. Joss Whedon’s ratings-challenged drama is expected to return in December and air back-to-back episodes on Friday night. <BR><BR> Bottom line: Barring a ratings miracle, Dollhouse will be shut down for good after it completes its current 13-episode order.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    I didn't see a press release from FOX

    by buffywrestling

    but I did see the Auseillo scoop, plus confirmation of the truthiness of said scoop from someone I trust more than him. So yes, I am swinging back to your correct assumption that it won't be on during sweeps. YOU BUGGER :P

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    So now I'm hearing

    by buffywrestling

    this Friday is the *last* new Dollhouse ep until Dec where they will start with Summer Glau's 2-parter & end with the reruns on Christmas. Then in Jan, they will be getting a new lead in to finish off the year.

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Some more confirmation:

    by buffywrestling

    LOS ANGELES ( -- Less than a week after announcing its November sweeps schedule (read the story), FOX is already making some changes. <p> Network sources have confirmed Friday entries "Brothers," "'Til Death" and "Dollhouse" will all go on hiatus after their October 23 airings. A rebroadcast of "House's" two-hour season premiere will sub in for the night on October 30 with additional repeats of "House" and "Bones" taking over for the rest of the month. <p> "Dollhouse" will then return with back-to-back originals starting at 8:00/7:00c on December 4, 11 and 18. <p> As for the comedies, "Brothers" will permanently shift to Sundays at 7:00/6:00c starting November 8 with back-to-back originals also set for December 13 and 27. No return date for "'Til Death" however was given. <p> To recap: <p> Friday, October 23 8:00/7:00c - "Brothers" 8:30/7:30c - "'Til Death" 9:00/8:00c - "Dollhouse" <p> Friday, October 30 8:00/7:00c - "House: Broken" (Two-Hour Repeat) <p> Fridays (as of November 6) 8:00/7:00c - "House" (Repeat) 9:00/8:00c - "Bones" (Repeat) <p> Sundays (as of November 8) 7:00/6:00c - "Brothers" 7:30/6:30c - (Various Programming)* <p> Fridays (December 4-18) 8:00/7:00c - "Dollhouse" 9:00/8:00c - "Dollhouse" <p> * additional first-run episodes of "Brothers" will air on December 13 and 27

  • Oct. 21, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    You Are Directly Responsible For This Buffy

    by Media Messiah

    Everything was going perfectly until...

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Director vs Writer

    by GooberNGrape

    It's interesting, the TBers having the biggest conniption fits about Joss's involvement in Glee are forgetting that he's <i>not actually writing</i> the damned episode. He's just directing it. That means he's working with <i>someone else's words</i>, not his. Get it? <br> I think the show will have his feel, his sensibility, in the way he blocks a shot, edits a scene, or in the comedic beats or emotional responses he elicits from his players. But that's it. <br> I say bring it. <br> And actually, yes, it's already been broughten if the small-screen cinematic glee of <u>Once More With Feeling</u> is any indication. (Or how 'bout other eps like Dopplegangland? Restless? Hush, anyone? Or, The Body? Clearly the man has a decent eye for visuals even if you dont like his writing style.)

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    "Bros before Heigh-Ho's"

    by jim

    "Rachel was a hot Jew and the good Lord wanted me to get into her pants"<p>Some good lines, some bad lip-synching ("Bust a move" was dreadful), and a really cheesy sitcom type ending. The best & worst of the series in one episode.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Bust A Move

    by The Alienist

    Like all numbers on the show, badly lip-synched...but Morrison can dance!! Wow.

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    yes, Big Jim,

    by GooberNGrape

  • Oct. 22, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    dang return key

    by GooberNGrape

    , but yes, such a funny line from the cute mohawk.<br> the lip-synching i can live with,<br> it's the slightest whiff of vocodor in everyone's singing voice that nearly sends me over the edge. everyone's so dang tinny. eh, i'm not surprised.<br><br> but i love jane lynch doing a jig with Broadway Timberlake and Jane Lynch in a Zoot Suit.

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